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Flora. Thanks for the ride,
man, Yeah, no problem, we're

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gonna we're gonna make it in time. Oh yeah, yeah, usually traffic's

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not that bad. Ah. Let's
listen to something so it doesn't get awkward

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too late, linked goat man,
we'll be plodding on that cast while we're

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at the can we just can we
just listen to just you know what KBBG.

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Oh, Zoe the Zoo cruise on
right now? Oh yeah, I

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haven't heard them for a while.
Yeah, let's let's see what they have

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to say. It can normally take
so much, but I think I think

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we're due. Oh that's crazy.
What I want to know is how do

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they get into chucky cheese without pants
at the first place? In plain Side?

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Oh two? All right, all
right, KBBG. Time is nine

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to eighteen in the am. You
know what that means. It's time for

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us to check in with the Gooch, check in with the A lot of

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you're gonna remember our intern the Gooch. Now, the Gooch has long since

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moved on to greener pastures. But
just because he's done with us doesn't mean

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we're done with him. We've got
the number for his current employer. Gooch

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doesn't even live in the same state
anymore. Already, you think that's enough

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to get away from Tito and Glenn
people search dot com. After eight long

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months of interviewing and checking out options, the Gooch finally landed himself a big

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city job up the East Coast.
He should be just about be getting into

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the office now, so let's give
him a call. Got him, Heyl

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millsap him. I have a few
questions regarding the legality of certain of your

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practices as regarding business. I'm sorry. Oh we got you so good,

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Tino Glen. Oh my gouch,
we found you. You guys can't hide.

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Oh it's all right, all right, I'm at work. Come on,

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you can't. You can't call me
at work, guys. I don't

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even work for you guys anymore.
I have my old job now, that's

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right. But you can never get
away from Tito and Glenn in the mornings,

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nor can you get away from KBBG. Oh, what do you get

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a busy day? He do you
there, Gooch? Listen, I really

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can't. I'll get in trouble if
if somebody will think this is a personal

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call. Yeah, so what is
your business? Can't say? They're Gooch,

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is it? Gooch? Guccarouni,
gucco, Gooch, Hole, g

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spot, g string, Gooch and
rescue, G unit, dream Goo Goo

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dollier. What are they calling you
there these days? Come on, guys,

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I really don't have time for this, Okay, I've really gotta go.

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All right, what are you an
important meeting? You get? You

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had some business you gotta get to
this morning? Yeah, I've got a

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meeting and like what is this one
minute? I've got to be there in

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one minute, and the conference rooms
all the way across the office. Well,

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I guess we better get off the
phone. But before we do,

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gooch man, could you do me
a favorite? Say hi for us?

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Just say hi and you'll you'll leave
me alone. Just say hi? Okay,

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fine, Hi? Oh no you
miss r to stidm me there,

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Gooch. We're not asking you to
say hi to us. We're asking you

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to say hi to Professor Pickle Fingers, balloon, Menagerie and a rotic dance

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team. What no time? Please? I don't want a balloon animal.

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Stop riding on me. You seems
so tense. Sit back and let the

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dance on you. Let me touch
your gouch. Make that man a weed

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a doll. No, it looks
like we lost the connection. What do

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you what do you think you think
you may have hung up on us?

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Oh the gooch smell severts package.
Oh yeah, he's gonna have a hell

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of the time keeping a job down
with not only a balloon making clown,

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but erotic dancers. It'll workplace on
a Tuesday morning. The hell? Can

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we head that here? Oh?
I would have killed for it. I

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would have killed for it. But
the real uptight up north, real uptight

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all right, JBBG. Traffic time
is nine twenty three in the AM.

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I hope your commune's going better than
the Gooch is ruining a man's life of

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your entertainment, that's right, KBBG. Listen. Next week goes out to

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our buddy, the Gooch, Little
love and an elevator from Arrowsmith. Do

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you think you'll be getting any of
that? Living it up while he going

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down floor? Can you change it's
it's kind of funny but it mostly just

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makes me sad. I know,
I know. Here, let's try this

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one finally. Hello, Hello,
everyone, welcome to Blurry Photos. Now

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you'll notice one of us has a
reach rich rich reach into deep voicetown you

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reach richly into deep voice. Bird
Flora, what's wrong with you? I

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got a head cold? Yeah,
he's got very white fevers. What he's

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got got bit by the bug?
This is David Flora. Oh, it's

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so rich and sultry. I died, David Steckold. Welcome back to Blurry

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Photos. Yeah, thanks for tuning
in all episode long. How did I

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describe it earlier? My sexual peanut
butter, my chilotic voice choa. Yeah,

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it's rich, rich and deep.
I just I just opened a show

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this weekend that I'm in. And
you know, been in a theater.

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You're around bunches of people and you
have to make out backstage. That's a

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rule of theater. If you're not
in the theater community, it's something that's

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surprising to most people how much you
have to contractually make out backstage. Yeah,

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and the incoming audience too. Yeah, it's part of the ticket price.

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Yeah, the VIP section, those
people who that's makeout town, they

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get the deep anyway, open a
show, got sick, That's how it

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goes. That's how it goes.
I didn't open a show, So I

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feel great. This episode is a
big one, pretty big one. Dave,

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What are we talking about this episode? Matchbox cars? Yeah, it's

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like the only thing that's still under
a dollar? Really, come on,

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No, they're like sixty some cents
each man. Really? Yeah, I

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don't believe you. Well, that's
what we do. We dispel the false

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beliefs and we enforced the right ones. You know, we're talking about Mythra.

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Mythra. Ever heard of it?
Have you? It's a good question.

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I gotta be honest. I hadn't. But then when I read about

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this, I was like, wow, I feel like an idiot. I

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feel like I should have This one's
a deep cookie. Yeah, and it's

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a deep cut cookie. It's important
to point out that Mithra Mithra is not

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an arch nemesis to Godzilla, right
or Rodan? And yeah, Mythra did

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not fly with wings. You're thinking
of Mathra and no one could blame you

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for that, but myth were pretty
important. Yeah maybe, well, yeah,

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we sort of a theological depth charge
in doing this research. The whole

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reason we wanted to do this.
We wanted to do it around Easter because

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it's it's a bit topical around around
that time. But we decided candy chat's

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more fun. So that's what you
got. Free to true. You're right,

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have true. Now, there's there's
so much to this. Yeah,

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I wasn't prepared for it, so
that's why we had to push back.

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Betty thorough, pretty thorough. So
let's let's just dive right in. Let's

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because this thing, this, this
is the gift that will continue to give

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even when we beg it to stop. Now the coming coming to this.

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If you have heard of Mithra,
I'm gonna bet that you have seen the

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movie Religious or maybe Geist I haven't. I've seen the first one, I

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haven't seen the second one, or
Night nine Geist n nine guys, that's

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that's what we should have done.
That's that's true, all right, Yeah,

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maybe maybe next episode. Anyways,
the whole hot debate with Mithra is

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Jesus the Christ a copy of Mithra
who is a pagan god. Yeah,

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there's there for the people who are
aware of this. The people who aren't,

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well, um, there is a
there's a debate a discussion that happens

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because this this pre existing figure in
religious history. Um, it's Erostrianism and

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other faiths named Mithra. It goes
by a few different names, but there

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are some commonalities with with the christ
figure with Jesus as well. That makes

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some people say, oh, this
is just some people just took Mithra,

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rebranded it, renamed it and called
that Christianity, and so oh, all

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that's false. It's all under you
know, blah blah blah. Christianityes for

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is bupkus right, and people who
follow at our startup ad right glasses push,

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we shift right off the bat.
Let's just get this out there.

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That's not what we're doing this episode
about, right, I mean, that's

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not our point. Let's just say
we're talking about it because it's a really

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interesting thing archaeologically, theologically, it's
a really interesting subject. And our job

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is not here to be like,
oh, you should think or you should

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think that. Yeah, you think
what you want to think. I don't

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even have the time to change in
mind. Well, my hope in this

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is that we go through it a
little bit so at the end you want

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to know more or you at least
have more facts. So at the end,

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you wished we had actually given you
more information to get mad about it.

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At the end, you wish we
had just told you what to think.

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Right now, we're we're we want
to present you know, both sides

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or every everything that we can find, and then you know, if you

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want to make a decision on it, you can whatever. We're not doing

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that, and we get we get
you know, in the in the episodes

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that we do that that that that
move into the the area of religions,

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particularly where it abuts against Christianity.
We can talk about Zerostrianism or Old Egyptian

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faiths like crazy and no one says
boo about it. But man, the

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minute this boat starts to get into
current popular religious waters, we get we

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get feedback about it. Yeah,
just for that reason, we're not going

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to avoid them. We're still going
to talk about them. But uh,

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just you know, this is this
is this is about information. This is

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about what we learned and what it
is and what it isn't. And we

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both before we did this episode,
we're like, man, you know,

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it's it's tough. It's a tough
tight rope. You gotta walk right down

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the middle. We'll probably fuck it
up. I know, I'll say something

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flippantly because it's hilarious. Um,
So there's a there's a lot of information

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that that we probably won't get to. Yep, but we we've gotten to

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a lot of it, so we
should just shut up and get to it.

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So yeah, let's uh, that's
the last apology you're gonna get out

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of Merman. Now, who's the
apologists? Is there any truth to the

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claim that Mithra was the precursor to
and model for Jesus? There sure is,

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good night everybody, Now, that's
kidding, swerved head fake psych just

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kidding. And and along with Mithra, the other deities that are often grouped

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into their being horace Atis, Dionysus, or Dionysus. I like Dionysus.

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I like that. That sounds Dionyser. Yeah, along with other Christna.

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There's there's a there's a few.
There's a few. Let's suffice it to

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say, we're gonna we're gonna go
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and what is claimed about the similarities
between Mithra and Jesus. We're gonna focus

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on Mythra in particular that that's that's
the episode title and it's pretty good of

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us to do that, and then
maybe we can we can look at what

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can be learned by looking at this
thing in detail y comparison, and because

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it's it really rustles some jimmies.
Yeah, people, Yes, it does.

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Because Christians really feel, I think, attacked by such luminaries as Bill

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Maher. Right, Uh that was
in religious It's have you seen that,

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by the way, bits and pieces
of it. I you know, we

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we've talked about this. I've gone
on my little screen about this before.

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But like, like, first of
all, I find Bill Maher to be

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so smug, yeah that I can't
hear what he says. It's true,

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he's just I want to like him, I can't. Yeah, and what

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he you know, what he tries
to do. But yeah, there and

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there are people like that that I
think that I agree with, but there

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their methods and things like that are
just so distasteful that I'm like, come

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on, come on, I'm not
dry fuss, come on, but no,

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I've seen bits and pieces of it. And I've said this before.

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I think that taking the lofty approach
of pointing out the holes in someone's belief

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system is like, uh, you
know what that doesn't accomplish anything for anyone.

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It gives atheists a bad name.
It just irritates people of faith,

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and faith helps people some people,
you know, like and faith hurts people.

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You know, it's anything Eminem's help
and hurt. You know, everything

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does. It depends on what you
do with it. But you can't just

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sit there and be like, dear
idiots, Yeah, you bore Bestard's like,

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it's so smug. In the movie, he goes to the the what

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is it a christ Disney or whatever
it is. It's a huge theme park.

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But he goes to the guy that
actually plays Jesus, which I'm sure

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is a really highly sought after roll
down there. You know, it's like

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looking after that. Yeah, But
he talks to this guy and is like,

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have you ever heard of Mithra?
Or actually I think he doesn't even

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do that. I think he says, if I if I were to say,

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you know who was born on December
twenty fifth and had three wise men

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visited and was a savior and was
crucified and then came back to life,

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you know who am I talking about? And they're like, well, you're

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talking about Jesus. No, I'm
talking about Mythra. I'm idiot, you

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know, right, that's that that's
kind of what what they're claiming here.

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So I think Christians can rightly feel
a little attacked in that well, because

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they are being attacked. I mean, yeah, yeah, well when you

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put it that way, as opposed
to laying out the information just saying hey,

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look, which I think probably what
we're going to do right now.

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Here's here's all the stuff that was
happening at the time when Christianity was was

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just beginning, it was putting its
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came to be or not to be, that's the question. And so I

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think atheists, we say atheists as
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not all atheists are doing this,
not all, no, not at all.

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Not all non atheists are attacking,
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I think, get really up in
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provoking or attacking. Like it just
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information for you. Let's see what
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As a as an overview, Yeah, this claim, that's that's been gaining

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popularity, I would I would say
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the Christ is nothing more than a
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Addis, Dionysis, Krishna. Yep. Christians deny this claim and its

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components, usually by replying with or
so what and cool story, cool story,

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cool story, brow and sometimes they're
right. Non nonbelievers cite numerous examples

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in mythology and religious history as evidence
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in general. I think current view
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this too, So is there a
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this? Let's go into what Mythritism
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rally around Mithra as the best model
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Mithra and what was Mythraism. Mythraism
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to the fact that it maintained strict
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them only two initiates yep. Because
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evidence about the beliefs of Mythrism,
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from early Christian leaders who attacked it
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their own ideas. That's that's very
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just like we talked about in the
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the Druids, well, there's a
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there's a perspective that's not necessarily the
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same thing here with early Christian historians
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a competitor competing product. Absolutely.
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ton of archeological sites and artifacts such
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like that. And this iconography tells
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been difficult to decipher, to say
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and we're we'll get to it in
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its uh in its history which we're
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it makes it a difficult um religion
to study. Yeah, and before I

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forget, because I'll forget later.
I just know it will. I just

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know, dude, I'll just I'll
just forget. Come down, dude,

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you'll be okay. Um, the
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Oh, go all over the place. Yep. You you can't swing

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a dead Caesar. You can't swing
a dead Caesar. Can't swing a dead

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Caesar without hit and a cult Mythraism
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and an outgrowth of Zerostrianism, though
which we keep talking about doing an episode.

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We should do an episode on zerostrit
And with them someday. I don't

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think it's something a lot of people
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we really we yeah, we really
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research and then pulled the plug out. We did. Yeah, we did

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a full reverse because it just blew
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couldn't handle it. False but no, it's it was. It's fascinating then

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at the same time completely boring.
Yeah, exactly, there's there's nothing wild

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going on. In Zarasta Town.
Like if if you like mythology and ancient

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people's maybe it's up your alley.
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it's it's just it's a it's a
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believed in, and they, I
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interesting by a long shot. I'll
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They really venerated dogs. Dogs were
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them being psychopomps, Dave psychopomps,
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the lowest of the low, the
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a it's a long run historical reaction. Huh Yeah, I don't know.

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to and I don't know, like
I don't maybe there's something to it.

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Yeah yeah, Can we never do
the episode episode of zarastrious Zarastrianism versus as

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long? Can we never ever ever
ever do that? Write that on the

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white board. Um So, this
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not of Zoroaster's teachings. Yeah,
I guess that would make a lot more

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sense to you if we had done
an episode on it. But just hang

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with us here, We'll we'll get
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for it being more of a Roman
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to forget about. Don't let me
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Mythrism. I think. I don't
think I'll forget it, but I may.

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The name Mithra later adapted into the
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you'll see myth Russ with an S
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from an old Persian god of covenants, contracts, truth, cattle, and

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the waters, also known as Mythra
of wide pastures of the thousand years,

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and myriad eyes, the lofty,
the everlasting, the province ruler, the

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spoken name. Holy. Guy's got
a lot of names. Yeah, he's

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wearing a lot of metals. Yeah, almost as many as Smedley Butler.

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That's not inside joke, Folks,
go back and listen to the business plot

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episode. And he was also a
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with a Hira Mazda and a Pamna
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three three gods triune. Hiramazda was
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Zarastrian religion. If you think of
religions Zastrianism and there a Hiromazda, that's

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who you think of. That's that's
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Mythra was in there pretty much second
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pat was kind of like the Poseidon
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were the big three, and mythras
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That name is most likely derived from
the Indo Iranian Mitra, which means that

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which causes to bind and was a
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but in later Vedic texts became associated
with the morning sun, and in post

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Vedic texts, Uh, stay with
me if you can't hear patron of friendship.

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he was a he protected treatises,

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and then he became associated with the
morning sun, and then he later became

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the friendship god. Yeah, that's
a that's the progression. Well, I

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don't want to go through the whole
thing. But there's a real case to

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be made that he is the basis
for day Man. He's the champion of

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the Sun and he wants to bring
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it it's something something friendship to everyone. I think the Mithra might be the

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historical basis for Datra day Man Mitra. See this is how it's good starting.

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Yeah, he debates, so h
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to do with Mithra in Persia besides
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him to the side. It's like
a they put baby in the corner.

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The Persian Mithra, according to the
Avesta, which is the primary collection of

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sacred texts of his Rastrianism, was
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as some sources claim. If anything, he was conflated with the Babylonian

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Shamesh, who was a sun god
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questions of conflation aside Mythra. Mithra
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the overseer of contracts. He people
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would he would judge that. So
that could be where the conflation started,

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and then it ended up with Mithra
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was really Sha Mesh in Babylon.
That's that's I think there's even a gosh.

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I didn't write it down, but
there's a different name for him,

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a sun god in Zarastrianism. We're
busted, dude. I mean, let's

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start over. Let's start. We're
gonna get whaled one by ours Erostran.

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Listen, let's start over. Let's
start. Many claimants rally around myth reas

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the best model of the Jesus feature. Yea nothing, nothing nothing. So

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this conflation continued in the Hellenistic era
when Apollo got in the mix. By

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that time, myth Russ because it's
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with the sun god from from Babylon. Then Apollo and Mythruss got confused.

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you know, this is not a
hard thing to have happened, um,

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especially when everything's oral. Exactly,
That's exactly my point. These are

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these are you know, these are
these are faced told by regional traders.

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They bring their religion with them on
the road. They are trading with these

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other cultures, they're talking about their
beliefs. It's all oral. There's no

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book, there's no pamphlet, there's
no manual, um. And so these

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things get mixed up so much.
And you and that's where you I mean,

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that's I don't know, that's sort
of the name of the game with

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these things is that they mix culturally
and they they they moved to different parts

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of the area, and that's how
they get moved through trade. But it

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is this the this oral approach to
it that means that things get confused or

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things. Oh that guy sounds a
little bit like Apollo. Hey guess what,

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uh, back east they've got they've
gotten Apollo too, but they call

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a Mitra. But it's pretty much
the same guy. It sounds like sounds

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like they got Apollo, but they
call it you know, so everyone's like,

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oh, it's just like our guy, but you know it's our guy.

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So yeah, they they've got a
different name. And these things get

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very confused. And and I think
that's cool though, I mean, there's

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a cool anthropology to that that I
enjoy. Yeah. And um Zerostrianism,

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the monotheistic Iranian religion slash philosophy carwash
took shape between one thousand and two thousand

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BC. You know what, I
just you know what, Zerostrianism they call

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it mono monotheistic um. That's because
of Hira Mozdo sat on top. Yeah,

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he was the guy. The mythra
and the rest of the the deities

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kind of got declassified into angels,
right, and which is which is weird

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because by that, by that rule, then um, the Greek pantheon is

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monotheistic with Zeus at the top,
and then everyone else is just kind of

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bickering. And you know what I
mean, like, well, m yes,

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and no, I don't think the
Greek god's got declassified as angels.

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Yeah, you're right, you're right, sort of semi divine. They were

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all still they never got demoted,
no matter how much weird they got into

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and board they should do. So
sorry about that. But Mythraism as a

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cult took shape around the third century
BC. Your Zorostrianism had been reformed in

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the seventh century by zarath zarathustra Um. I'm sorry that this is I'm sorry

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for this. Well, no,
I mean I would much rather you know,

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we get through the factual data than
make some gigantic mistake about it,

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because this isn't you know, It's
just there's no frame of reference for any

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of this, is there. That's
that's why we need a Zarostrian as an

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episode, I guess. But who
will want to listen? Well, that's

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the thing, you know what we
can't now because we're gonna cover enough of

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it in this one that we couldn't
even we can. He just did it?

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Enjoy your two fer. So it
was reformed in the seventh century by

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Zarathustra, making a Ramasa, supreme
god of goodness, and the god Alreman

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the ultimate embodiment of evil, and
all other gods brushed off to immortals slash

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adored ones slash angel. I guess
I thought about that as I was writing.

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Well anyway, However, being regarded
as second most powerful and a mediator

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between Ahura, Mazda and man,
cults sprang up to worship Mithra and he

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became a dashing holy being of protection. Hello Mithra, Hi Mithra, nice

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to meet you. Do you need
to contract verified kid a dance? Would

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you like your past year watched over? I'm great with cattle, I'm Mithra.

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I should get sick every episode.
Yeah you should, it's really linnen

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itself. It's worth it. It's
the only way I feel pretty. He

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Mithra was omniscient, good looking,
strong wise, and always lift the toilet

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set down. Mmmmmm. While not
the deity of the sun, as we

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have already said, he presided over
its light. This figure was just a

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weird way to split a hair.
Who was sure? Yeah? What if?

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I mean, what if? I
Flora, you and I are gonna

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split being in charge of the sun. Um, I'm in charge of the

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light and you're in charge of everything
else. I'm making the grave light happened,

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and you're a gravity well solar solar
wind. That's all you, bro,

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it's all you fish and reaction.
Yeah, your job and try to

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keep the sun spots to a minimum. Okay, Yeah, let's let's watch

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that corona. Butter well, I
enjoy a corona over the light. This

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figure, the one who presided of
the light, the good looking guy.

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He was adopted by the Greeks and
called Mithris, which we said, and

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first identified with the sun god Helios. Hey, I do know that guy's

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name. Yeah, he's at the
actual chariot driver, right, Yeah,

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Apollo's nut see now I'm conflating it. Jeez, Louise to mithra Uh,

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I'm just trying to put some energy
into this. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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I blame myself. During the first
century BC and into CE, Roman

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military campaigns brought the ideas of mythrate
cults back from the front lines, and

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Mythraism began to gain popularity with soldiers
from Germanic territories to Spain, even up

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to Hadrian's Wall. I told you
them that those cults would come back,

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and now we have arrived at that
moment, the moment that I told you

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about, Well, that's here right
now. What's happening right now is the

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thing I told you about. Then
then has may come now ready for water?

400
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:56.799
When will then be? Now?
Soon? Now? The Roman cult

401
00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:00.880
of mythrusts that had a couple of
weird things. First of all, men

402
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.720
only, no thanks, ladies only
um. Their meetings always took place in

403
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:13.319
underground caves a new crown keys,
oh my, oh my. And the

404
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:17.559
other interesting thing is that the cult
of mythress these these archaeologically, they didn't

405
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:22.079
start finding these caves because the other
the other interesting thing that all these caves

406
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:27.720
had a relief plaque of of Mythrusts
slaying the bull. And um, these

407
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:30.640
things didn't start showing up until the
very end of the first century. So

408
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:37.359
these these two religions were very much
co cohabiting. Um. You had the

409
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:42.279
early the rise of early Christianity at
the same time that the cult of mythrust

410
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:45.839
was really picking up speed. Um. So to say as far as the

411
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.359
Roman cult, I had to be
very clear about that. As far as

412
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:53.200
the Roman cult, this is very
much a contemporary alternative religion. At the

413
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:58.759
same time. You know, these
these two these two religious systems are are

414
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:04.839
are happening at the same time different
you know, different temples, different worshiping

415
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.079
and Christianity as a cult as well
at this time exactly. Yeah, this

416
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.799
is this is also an underground cult. This is the time, um.

417
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.960
You know where the the ichthus the
fish symbol is used, because that was

418
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:22.680
the way you identified other Christians.
A person would would mark out on the

419
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.079
ground one arc and if you were
cool, if you were down and not

420
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:31.640
a cop, you would make of
you would make the inverse arc that would

421
00:33:31.720 --> 00:33:37.079
make the fish the ichthus. And
so again you know that these are both

422
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:42.400
for different reasons. The Christians being
actively persecuted, and the the Mythruss,

423
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.240
the cult of Mithrus by its own
volitions, saying we are a secret organization.

424
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:51.319
We are a secret society. We
meet in caves underground, and there

425
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.119
are seven there's seven levels to the
order that you could go through. Um

426
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.680
and all of it hearkens back into
what we've discussed a million times, all

427
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:02.039
these secret orders of of nineteenth century
England. Um. There's a lot of

428
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:07.280
those sorts of things happening um in
the Roman architecture as well. Yeah.

429
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.360
Yeah. When I say architecture,
I mean of like the organization of the

430
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.639
Roman legions and the armies and things
like this. Societal Yeah, yeah.

431
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:21.280
Judaism was already uh hopping at this
time, well established, long suffering.

432
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:25.559
Yeah yeah, but it was it
was tolerated in the Rome, in Roman

433
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:31.679
society better than tolerated well yeah,
I mean they there was. It was.

434
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:37.880
I read some really interesting things about
this that at the time Judaism was

435
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:42.920
much more evangelical than it is now. People would stand on street corners and

436
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:47.360
proclaim the faith of Judaism. Um. People were you could be very respected.

437
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:52.119
There wasn't it was. It was
actually a very prosperous time. For

438
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.800
Jewish people in the Roman Empire,
they it was it was easy for them

439
00:34:54.840 --> 00:35:00.800
to integrate with Roman society. And
it was not to say that they were

440
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:07.599
becoming m aristocrats in the in the
Romans society, I think they still had

441
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:10.039
a hard row to hoe though,
right, I mean, only very few

442
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:14.719
could rise to It's very hard.
It's hard to say because of how big

443
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:17.119
the Roman Empire was chronologically, but
there were times when, yes, there

444
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:21.559
were Jewish aristocrats, and there were
you know, it's it's it's such a

445
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:23.239
long amount of time. You can't
say, oh, in Roman times everything

446
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:28.800
was great. But there were times
in in the Roman Empire where actually where

447
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:32.239
Jewish people could rise very prominently.
Um, And there were times and again,

448
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:36.400
you know, I don't have to
tell you even just like the cursory

449
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.519
blush of history, things change a
lot when emperors change, that's true,

450
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:44.000
you know. So so it's it's
like the weather, you know. Sometimes

451
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.360
it's a it's a good time to
be in an underground myth rist cult.

452
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:50.719
Sometimes you know, stocks and Judaism
are on the rise. You know,

453
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:54.360
it's it's a tough thing to call
um. And sometimes even the Roman emperor

454
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:59.000
declares himself to be a Christian and
then it's great, and then sometimes he's

455
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:00.679
like, hey, who wants to
find lions? You know, like it

456
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:06.280
really it's a tough tough thing to
really put one pin in and say,

457
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.199
oh, this is how it was
very true if you want to, if

458
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:13.079
you want a good look at it. I think the the HBO series Rome

459
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:19.840
handles the view on Jews at that
time very well. I guess I've never

460
00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:22.719
seen it. I don't know nothing
about it. Oh man, you should

461
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:23.800
see it? Is that the one
with well done? Is that the one

462
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:29.239
that's your thing? Of Spartacus,
which is uh, I haven't seen that

463
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.519
one either, But stars, I
think I just like Zena. You'll get

464
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:37.199
to see a lot of Zena if
you watch it, Okay, you'll get

465
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:38.800
to see a lot of Zena.
Oh it's like that. Yeah, it's

466
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:43.039
like that sweet yeah for a long
time. All right, it's time for

467
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:52.800
puns. No listener mel today.
Yeah, but yeah, one of the

468
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.840
characters, one of the main characters, well like secondary characters on Rome,

469
00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:01.400
is Jewish, and there's some minds
that that come up where it's there's like

470
00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:07.480
an uprising in there. I won't
spoil anything, but it's it's neat.

471
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.920
It's it's neat to see it happened
two thousand years ago. If you haven't

472
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:16.719
heard of it by now, there's
no spoilers anyway. Other other stuff was

473
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:20.800
was cults of this time. There's
a lot of a lot of cults springing

474
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:24.199
up. Every everybody's trying to to
be top dog, you know, they're

475
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:31.519
they're and even even within a single
religious ideology, there are innumerable subcults,

476
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:37.280
and you know, it's I really
wonder what it was like, like did

477
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:46.920
the because myth the mythra cults in
Rome in the Empire, Because everyone was

478
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:53.320
so local, It wasn't a whole
overarching like church, you know you oh,

479
00:37:53.599 --> 00:38:00.519
I'm part of Mythra High you know
Gall Mythra guy High Rome mythra Yeah,

480
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:05.599
High Sicily Mythra guy. It was
like everything. Every locality had their

481
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:10.440
own type of way they they practiced
and viewed mythraism. Yeah. And I

482
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:17.119
didn't see anything that suggested that there
was a larger overarching organization to it.

483
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:22.119
I think that these were all very
individual cells. And I don't think from

484
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:24.079
and again, I you know,
I from what I read and everything all

485
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:28.320
the research I did, I didn't
see at any point where like oh,

486
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:30.880
but when the when the Legions came
back to Rome, they'd all get together

487
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.079
in the big hall of Mythra and
hang out. I think that these were

488
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:40.159
these were semi or entirely permanently isolated
cells, as it were, of a

489
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.760
very and I especially um, I
mean the culti Mythras was very very prevalent

490
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:50.559
in the Roman army. And I
can even see that within you know,

491
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:54.840
in the Legions, an unintentional but
still military structure to it. These are

492
00:38:54.920 --> 00:39:00.239
all military guys. That's a that's
a format that that fits well with them.

493
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.519
And if if my unit has this
belief and this is what we do,

494
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:06.039
we're not going to run around to
other units and talk to them about

495
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.199
it. And when you have and
just like um, you know, so

496
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:13.719
many other organizations to follow. But
there is a rank involved. There are

497
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:20.199
the seven seven different positions you can
achieve within the order, and so there's

498
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:22.880
a rank within a military organization.
You know, like all of those things

499
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:28.480
say hey, we're inclusive, We're
we're not looking to go find I'm going

500
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.320
to sorry, we're exclusive. We
were not looking to find anybody else.

501
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:35.360
We don't want to high five the
other myth rights, right right, just

502
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:37.840
do it the way we do it. And I wonder how that is as

503
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:44.480
as an early cult that may grow
into a religion. You know, it's

504
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:49.960
in that infant stage of what a
religion is. Did it was there anybody

505
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.880
that wanted it to or did they
even know that that could be possible or

506
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.639
were they just concentrated on their locality
and like this, this is us,

507
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.280
this is how we're worshiping this.
We're happy, you know, like it's

508
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:04.480
it's weird to think of that.
Uh, and Christianity, but the same

509
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.519
way, exact same way. I
mean, like I think this is this

510
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:14.119
is something that might be worth looking
into in the future. But wasn't the

511
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:19.039
Essenes and the Gnostics weren't they sort
of the same way. They were kind

512
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:24.079
of branches of Christianity that taught their
own or had their own books, their

513
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:28.599
their own scripture. Yeah, and
there were there were so many of them.

514
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.719
And we've talked about the Council of
Nicea in the past, right right

515
00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:36.159
until someone sat down and said,
okay, DOOKI, here's the Bible.

516
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.639
Yeah, this is you. You're
in, you you're out. Not the

517
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:47.760
so fast dagon fighting Jesus Gospel.
According to Thomas and no, yeah,

518
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:53.199
no, we already have a four. So yeah, there's there was a

519
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:58.480
lot of that that that brought it
all back together again because there were so

520
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.719
many departures, I guess is a
good way to say that, as good

521
00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:07.880
as any. But the interesting thing
though, to Christianity, and I don't

522
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:13.039
know off the top of my head
pre assembly of the Bible or post,

523
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:16.960
but I mean the current I mean
the modern Christianity as I guess what I

524
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:22.719
would define as post counsel of Nicia. It has that built in and we've

525
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:30.159
talked about this before, um memetic
idea of expansion of go forth and share

526
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.679
the good news. As iron sharpens
iron, so does one man sharpened another

527
00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.840
go out and tell your neighbor,
you get this guy in bring People in

528
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:43.480
the Mythrick Cult had none of that. They were like, don't tell anybody,

529
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:45.960
That's why they were a mystery culture. Yeah exactly, you know,

530
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:51.119
like and so there are some really
powerful differences in their organization that the Cult

531
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.320
of Mithress, Like you know,
you don't stand on the street corner and

532
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:59.519
tell everybody about it, like will
we'll call you. That's what their official

533
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:06.440
motto us. As you mentioned,
they worshiped in these small caves. For

534
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:08.920
lack of a better term, but
it was they were. They had small

535
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:15.960
temples called Mithraia which they built.
They were they were just little rectangular subterranean

536
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:21.679
chambers, and they were intended to
imitate an image of the cosmos. Apparently,

537
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:25.599
that's most of the stuff that we're
drawing from, is the leading theories.

538
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.800
Since we don't have writings at the
time, We've got all this iconography.

539
00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:36.199
Scholars have pulled these these ideas.
You're if you're in the cult to

540
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.679
myth Rests and we'recking this up,
please send us an email, invite us

541
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:44.920
in. Please do. I'd like
to know if Mythrism it's still out there.

542
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:51.400
Awesome In the mythraia and aisle ran
lengthwise down the center with a stone

543
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:55.119
bench on either side of it,
and it could hold usually they could hold

544
00:42:55.159 --> 00:42:59.800
about twenty to thirty people at a
time, and at the back end of

545
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:05.519
the aisle was usually a carving statue
or painting of the central icon of Mythraism,

546
00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:10.360
which you've already mentioned, the roctany
Yeah, or the bull slang scene.

547
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:16.599
In it mithra is shown killing a
bull with a dog and snake lapping

548
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:22.000
the bull's blood. A scorpion stinging
its rear. Sometimes it's balls, Oh,

549
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:29.480
come on, and a raven I
never read seated nearby? Oh oh

550
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:31.639
no, no no. Also,
uh, there's a scorpion. What is

551
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:35.400
it gonna sting him? Of course
it's gonna sting him? But where I

552
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:37.199
don't know, Like the face.
Yeah, let's put on the face.

553
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.599
There's too much there, dude,
there's too muche there. It's really busy

554
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.480
at the dog and the knife.
What are you gonna sting him in the

555
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.480
hoof in a minute, I got
it. Are you be kidding me?

556
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:51.800
Are you thinking I'm thinking? Oh
my god, it's gonna get stuck at

557
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:54.239
the balls? Wait wait, wait
check this out? Ching ching ching ching,

558
00:43:54.320 --> 00:44:00.280
ching, ching, ching ching ching
ching. Right, no, no

559
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:05.840
way, Yeah, that's what happens
when you have a cult. That's all

560
00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:13.079
men. No, there's nobody moderating
that sort of thought process too. I

561
00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:15.719
was. I listened to one podcast
where the guy was like, yeah,

562
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.039
and the and the scorpion was was
stinging the testicles of the bull and the

563
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:23.000
the the guy who was whose podcast
it was or whatever, he was like,

564
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.360
wait a minute, he was stinging
in the testicles. What does that

565
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.440
what is what iconography does that entail? Like? What does that mean?

566
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:36.079
The guy's like, I don't know, I don't know what that means.

567
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.360
Just it's just real bad to be
the bull. That's the moral of the

568
00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:43.400
story is, you don't want to
be the bull. Mithraya were found all

569
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.760
over the Empire, mostly in Rome, but like we said, there's been

570
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:51.440
some even found in Britain. Yeah, and from the first to fourth century

571
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:59.519
CE, Roman Mythraism was popular as
a semi unrecognized cult recognized and I saw

572
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:05.159
it at a bus stop, having
you thought you did, having evolved into

573
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:09.440
its own mystery religion with new and
distinctive imagery, Uh, separate from the

574
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:15.639
Persian. Yeah, let's let's say
the Persian Mythrism, mithra and other gods

575
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:22.719
eventually melded into the Roman soul or
sometimes you'll hear soul invictus, which is

576
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:28.880
the unconquered Sun. A lot of
them kind of blended into this one idea

577
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.639
of a of a deity that was
based on the Sun, that it would

578
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.360
it had you know it was the
Sun. You can't you can't put it

579
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:40.119
down, can't argue it can't can't
do anything, and as Christianity became tolerated

580
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:47.880
and then later accepted with Constantine,
most cults or quote unquote pagan religions were

581
00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.679
snuffed out by force. Yeah,
I think of it as Constantine. This

582
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:58.679
is what you were saying with the
winds of change are um farted out by

583
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:08.320
Caesar's or so. But Constantin came
in. He said, you know what,

584
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:12.599
you know, who's pretty cool?
Damn Christians? Let's all do it.

585
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.559
You know how cool they are?
Kill everyone else? Wait, wait,

586
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:20.159
give them a chance to convert.
Yeah, if they won't do it,

587
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:22.199
but we both know you're gonna end
up killing them. You're gonna kill

588
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.760
them. Yeah, you go.
You gotta light the way they die.

589
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:37.320
I can. I can do that
voice this episode. We're doing a two

590
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:43.840
episode trying today. You're gonna get
double this. Yeah, you are as

591
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.559
you said. Colt was limited demand, which probably shot itself in the foot,

592
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:53.440
consisted overwhelmingly of those who were not
quite poor but not elite, although

593
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:59.559
there are some cases where some of
the Caesars in the ruling class did kind

594
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:04.079
of like Apple in it. What's
with the economic middle ground sausage party where

595
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.559
the girls Oh no, no,
no, not only are we economically bland.

596
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:12.119
There'll be no ladies here, and
it's in a hole in the ground.

597
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:19.199
Come in and we got scorpions,
bullballs. Hey, did you see

598
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.599
this picture over here? Look at
a ball? Getting it is getting it?

599
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:25.039
You know what you want to know
what that means? Get initiated?

600
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:31.000
Yeah. In the Mithraia, members
partook of a cult meal, which was

601
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:37.800
a ritual memorial of a feast Mithras
shared with the Sun or Helios. If

602
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.320
you want to go to the Greek
ground, I've got the list of the

603
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:45.599
ranks. Yeah, let's not a
secret anymore. They we've we've sussed it

604
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:47.400
out. Let's get them ranks going. Yeah, how about how about the

605
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:52.800
ranks? What can you achieve in
the Cult of Mithra All right, so

606
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:57.760
say say that I'm a hard working
legionnaire. You're a hard working legionaire,

607
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.360
maybe even a centurion if I'm really
good at it, but not a cylon

608
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:06.840
And and you know my leg it. My buddy Abraxis says to me,

609
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:10.039
Oi, didn't I Hey, you
look like you're having a lot of problems.

610
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:14.280
And I've been like, a sure
ram, have you thought about God?

611
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:16.199
And I was like, yeah,
but which one? And he goes,

612
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.880
maybe I have the answers. Listen, I'm gonna draw you a quick

613
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:24.119
picture. Scrabble, scrabble, scrabble, what's happened to that poll's ball?

614
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:30.880
You can find out more? And
he is like, okay, I would

615
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.280
like to find out more. So
then he's like, great, I'm now

616
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:40.039
a core Rax Flora, which is
a Raven level one, the Raven level

617
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:51.679
one Corax Don't Don't do Didn't do
Do Do Do do gooding good good level

618
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:55.840
two. And the thing with all
these is all members were apparently expected to

619
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.639
progress through the first four ranks,
while only a few would go into the

620
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:05.079
three higher. Just keep the end
of mine. Yeah, level two,

621
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.679
I'm want to pretend it. Did
you remember that old Nintendo game Kung Fu?

622
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.320
Yeah, one of the very first
ones. It was. It was

623
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:15.400
terrible, wasn't it? Oh it
was great? And yeah, you just

624
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.679
punch guys and every now and then
the big boss would laugh at you and

625
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:30.960
go, yeah, did you how
far did you get in that? I

626
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:34.719
never made it past the first level. Oh it was like a swinging guillotine

627
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:38.400
at one point or something. Right, No, if you if you get

628
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:43.280
way up there, I mean,
like the hard thing is like there's the

629
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.960
little midgets that run up and get
you, and then there's uh the flying

630
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:52.719
like vases that have snakes in them
or something. Then there's like the Wizard,

631
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:55.960
there's backflips or some jazz. I
don't remember it very well, but

632
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.039
I remember. I don't think I
ever beat it, but I got up

633
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:05.559
there tough. Yeah, as those
early games were. So the second one

634
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:09.559
Nymphis Nymphis, which I've seen it
a couple of ways, but you can

635
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:15.239
translate it as Bride or maybe Bridesmen. Yeah. Yeah, Well, I

636
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.079
mean if you translated as Bride,
everyone's going to feel like, oh,

637
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:20.760
what kind of cult am I entering
into? Right? Like I want to

638
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.199
go back to Korax and what kind
of cult is going to be entering into

639
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:29.480
me? Oh no, no,
it's hazing. Well, that's the thing.

640
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:30.599
I mean. These guys are soldiers. They're out in the middle of

641
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:37.360
nowhere. They're Roman a hell if
I know, well, it's not my

642
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:42.760
job to figure it out. Is
it maybe a little I don't know?

643
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:51.119
Level three three Miles. Hello,
I'm Miles, and I'm also known as

644
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:55.559
the Soldier. I think I think
they pronounced it milays. I'm calling it

645
00:50:55.719 --> 00:51:01.400
Miles, but it's spelled Miles melais. Don't try to help. Yeah,

646
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:07.920
try harder, then you'll call me
a try harder. Yeah, I think

647
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:14.559
hard I think I know that from
a funny thing happened on the way to

648
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:19.039
the forum because one of the characters
and there's Meleas Gloriosis and he's like the

649
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:24.039
big soldier guy. All right,
meal as you win, ge Chez Mithra

650
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:32.559
four Mithra the Christ, the mister
Christ. Dude, come on level four

651
00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:37.440
of the of the you know,
the the average ranks. Yes, this

652
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:42.440
is the highest one that the normal
person can change any any layer ties Jim

653
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:46.719
jam and Xerxes can get to this
one. This was Leo, which also

654
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:51.920
is the Lion. If you didn't
get that, m are you sure it's

655
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:58.440
not Leo lately? Leo Leoh listen, dude, if you want a penalty

656
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:02.639
box, I'll give it. Trying
to save your ass from litigation, yeah,

657
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.119
well nothing can I can't save myself. No one can save me.

658
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:12.920
I'm a recidivist. All right.
So so now now you're you're one of

659
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:15.239
the elite of the elite. You
said, no, I'm a career myth

660
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:19.639
r night. That's how important this
is to me, I want to go

661
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.159
above and beyond. Yeah, myth
Risian, myth Risian. Yeah, Leo

662
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:27.400
is great, it's awesome. But
I think I think I'm that rare guy.

663
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:32.199
They can make it all the way
to the rank of Percy's the Persians,

664
00:52:32.519 --> 00:52:36.639
fifth rank, fifth rank, rank
five, Percy's the Persian. But

665
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:37.920
you don't want to stop there,
No, you don't, of course not.

666
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:43.519
You are ambitious. The only reason
you decided to exceed rank for us

667
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:46.039
that you could attain rank seven.
But to get to rank seven, but

668
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:50.559
you got to go through rank six
like everybody, like everybody, and that

669
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:59.079
means you're gonna go through heliodromas.
The sudden Courier heliodromas. That's my favorite.

670
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:01.199
Yeah, I would stop there.
It's a it's a cool title.

671
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.559
It is. It's a really cool
title. They should have saved it for

672
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:07.800
the end, but they didn't.
They didn't. It seems like it should

673
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:13.480
be seven. Yeah, the Sun
god Son Courier. If you're running messages

674
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:15.960
for the Sun, that's true,
son, but that's not how they did

675
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:22.760
it because they do what they want
instead. Rank seven is ball stinger.

676
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:28.199
You're the stinger of balls and you
have a little thin stick with a thorn

677
00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:34.119
on the end of it, and
you just walk around is whopp tag tag?

678
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:39.519
What are you gonna do? Rank
seven? Whap no. Rank seven

679
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:47.920
is Potter Pater the father. Fili
got right, the Fater, It's right,

680
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:52.760
makes sense. Ball stinger would be
way more fun. But and Heliodromus

681
00:53:52.920 --> 00:54:00.440
is just the coolest. You're the
father. Your poperis stingis I love it

682
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:04.440
when you call me big pop Buh. That's the seven. That's the seven

683
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:08.599
ranks. The new Initiate became a
Corerax, while the Leo was an adept.

684
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:13.760
The titles of the first four ranks
suggests the possibility that advancement through the

685
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:20.199
ranks was based on introspection and spiritual
growth. Yeah, so you really had

686
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.599
to look inside yourself if you wanted
to get a heliod roma with them.

687
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:24.400
Yeah, and you know what,
you know, one thing that really pissed

688
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:28.679
everybody off is like, once once
a guy tagged in the balls. But

689
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.159
so that's just it. Once once
a guy goes Percy's like, hell,

690
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:36.920
he's like, guys stopped. It's
just really really immature for you to joke

691
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.920
about the stinging bull balls and they're
like, really, that's hilarious. Are

692
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:44.760
you really you're gonna try to be
above it? Guys, It's it's about

693
00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:47.599
a bull that's getting tortured trying not
to Could we just be adults? And

694
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:53.639
you're like, man, those ranks
the weight. You're trying to tell me

695
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:59.480
that to become an advanced initiate,
I have to stop laughing at that tortured

696
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:07.920
bull. A man, you can
keep your cult. Thanks, iced tea.

697
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:15.480
So that's a little bit about mythraism
itself. So what are the claimed

698
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:21.119
similarities? Yeah, what does this
have to do with Jesus the croy Let's

699
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:23.639
do this. Let's get in the
arena, let's let's let's slug this out.

700
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:34.000
Let them host fight right right.
Here's a quick list the Hot Billboard

701
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:39.280
Hot Hot chart that says Mithra and
Jesus are the same. Here's what you'll

702
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:46.199
hear often. Mithress preceded Christianity by
roughly six hundred years. Mithriss was born

703
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:52.480
of a virgin on December twenty fifth. He was considered a great teacher and

704
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:59.920
had twelve disciples. Mithress also performed
miracles. Mithress was called the Good Shepherd,

705
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:05.519
the Way, the Truth, and
the Light Redeemer. Savvier and Messiah

706
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.760
Yo called a lot of things.
He was buried in a tomb, and

707
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:15.360
after three days he rose again,
and his resurrection was celebrated every year wow

708
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:23.719
with choking candy crosses. Mythraism had
a Eucharist or Lord's Supper that involved consecrated

709
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:30.920
bread and wine YO and their initiation
ceremonies included a baptism to remove sins.

710
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:37.639
There are a lot more that are
claimed have been claimed between Mythrists and Jesus.

711
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:40.039
These are the ones we're going to
hit. Yeah, good time.

712
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:43.599
Yeah, that's a pretty good I
mean, believe me. That's I mean,

713
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:45.360
that's twice as long, it's twice
as many things. That was as

714
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:50.519
we need to just to get through
this. That's all right, So let's

715
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:53.480
start at the top. Myth was
preceded Christianity by roughly six hundred years.

716
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:58.719
This from the research I did,
I'm gonna say this is true. Mythrism

717
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:04.559
preceded Christianity by almost two thousand years. It evolved as it grew and gained

718
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:12.320
popularity in the first century CE until
Constantine said Christianity was okay and the emperor

719
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:17.159
Theodosius issued anti pagan decrees in the
late fourth century. I think you can

720
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:24.039
argue which mythrism you want to you
want to send into the fight. Yeah,

721
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:29.719
it's not just yeah. The hard
thing is when you have any belief

722
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:34.280
system that's been around for that long, there's you're not just dealing with a

723
00:57:34.519 --> 00:57:38.760
monolithic this is mythraism. There's a
lot of right version. But as we

724
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:49.000
went through the idea of this central
figure, Mithra definitely came early on in

725
00:57:49.239 --> 00:57:52.039
one of the oldest religions, one
of the oldest, and you can even

726
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:58.280
say monotheistic religions. I think even
with all the evolving and branches, I

727
00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:04.480
think you can say, yes,
this figure did precede the Christ figure,

728
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:07.119
the Jesus figure. Yes, yes, I agree with that. Let's move

729
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:10.920
on to the second when Mithress was
born of a virgin on December twenty fifth.

730
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:16.519
I'm calling this one mostly false.
Yep, yep. There are conflicting

731
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:22.000
stories of mithress birth, one being
he was born of the goddess Anahita,

732
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:27.440
the goddess of water, fertility,
and wisdom. Anahita was said to have

733
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:32.599
conceived Mithress from the seed of Zarathushtra
preserved in the waters of Lake Hammun in

734
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:42.119
the Persian province of sustain Wow,
nadaba, that's what i'd sound. I'm

735
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:47.760
like where jazz. The name Anahita
can be translated as immaculate or pure.

736
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:52.960
However, could not find a credible
source for that story. You didn't believe

737
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:55.760
me, Bro, you don't think
I'm credible. I told you that story

738
00:58:55.840 --> 00:59:02.320
myself. Cool story, Bro,
but sided new. The other account comes

739
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:07.599
from interpretations of art and artifacts showing
my threat emerging from rock in a cave

740
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:13.719
or egg shaped structure, sometimes with
a snake wrapped around it. He is

741
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:20.800
an adult. He's naked and wearing
only a soft bent hat called a phrygian

742
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:24.639
cap. Oh, I've got the
phrygian cap in Diablo. It's like plus

743
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:34.559
extra dexterity. And see, you
know you know everything about Diablo, but

744
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:37.760
it sounds like you're making everything up. Everything that's gone out of your mouth

745
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:46.480
since fake its ship. Why?
I don't know. Maybe that's my that's

746
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:51.400
my curse that I can. I
know what I'm talking about, but it

747
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:54.400
sounds like I'm lying all the time. Man. I spent the entirety of

748
00:59:54.679 --> 01:00:00.880
April first, April Fool's Day,
doing the worst Apri Old fools I could

749
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.559
to people. Just Won was like, um, hey, um, did

750
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:08.760
you did you you see that that
um to toe truck was like towing your

751
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:14.360
car And I was like you hold
on, I'll go get the person.

752
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:20.559
And then he's like no, and
everyone was like that is the worst April

753
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:22.360
Fools. I was like, I
win. I was just trying to do

754
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:29.880
really crappy April fools all day.
Jes not popular, not popular where I

755
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:35.239
work. It's he's lying. Um, there's uh, there's the Gospel of

756
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:39.559
Thomas, which was not included in
the Council of Nicia that that said Jesus

757
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:45.719
was born in a cave. Actually
is Thomas? The Book of Thomas?

758
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:50.159
Is that the No, it wasn't. It was trying to I'm trying to

759
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:53.360
think of the book that had Jesus
fighting the dragon that was left out Enock.

760
01:00:53.480 --> 01:00:55.480
Maybe yeah, I think you're right. I think it was Enoch.

761
01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:04.599
Maybe it was ju believe. Uh
the date is false for both boom for

762
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:09.599
both ain't No one got claimed a
December twenty fifth, A festival celebrating soul

763
01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:15.119
Invictus was celebrated on the twenty fifth
and was adopted by or maybe swept up

764
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:19.880
called beliefs at the time We've talked
about that. Yep, not soul invictus.

765
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:22.719
But how how you do when you
need to convert the pagans? Yep,

766
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:28.480
you slurp up their beliefs and call
him your own and then switcheroo agoom.

767
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:31.119
How about the third one, Dave, he was considered a great teacher

768
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:37.000
and had twelve disciples. Well you
have right, yeah, we got we

769
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.559
got mixed mixed opinions on this one. Yeah, it could be true,

770
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:43.840
it could be false, some of
it. Not the disciple question, which

771
01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:46.679
is a little easier to get to. There's some confusion they're regarding disciples,

772
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:52.480
but also in its Rostrinism, the
zodiac, the twelve signs of the zodiac,

773
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:54.840
but is a part of the you
know, the uh, the signs

774
01:01:54.880 --> 01:02:00.639
of the zodiac. I mean,
even even the even our poor leaguered bull

775
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:07.760
was considered to be you know,
a representation of Perseus slaying um Taurus Taras.

776
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:14.719
Yeah. Yeah, thus the name
Tarrocteny. Yeah, Mithra. He

777
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:21.199
wasn't a traveling teacher like Jesus,
like Jesus, but was considered a judge.

778
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:25.159
He was wise and just, and
people could come to him in love

779
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:30.159
to invoke help healing sanctification, etc. And yeah, it was. It

780
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:34.599
was believed he was surrounded by the
twelve signs of the zodiac, which were

781
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:38.239
popular or Austrianism, though that's still
just a theory. In fact, it's

782
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:44.519
been argued that the tarrocteny is a
representation of constellations that were prevalent in the

783
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:52.280
time of Mithra's popularity. Mithra is
seen as Perseus Perseus from Greek myth the

784
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:57.480
dude who say who slew Medusa?
Mark camp not Mark Camel. Harry Hamlin,

785
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:01.639
Harry Hamlin. That's right, that's
it, And it's shown he's shown

786
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:07.079
killing the bull Taurus as the constellations
replaced each other in the sky. See

787
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:12.199
every two thousand, one hundred and
sixty years, the equinoxes moved through one

788
01:03:12.599 --> 01:03:19.400
zodiacal constellation. We may have mentioned
this in one of the Apocalypse episodes.

789
01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:22.519
I may have mentioned it during the
Young episode Hell of foul lever No.

790
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:29.119
The Age of Aries began around two
thousand BC, replacing the Age of Taurus,

791
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:32.639
and this is theorized to be the
basis of the taurocteny. During the

792
01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:37.280
Age of Taurus, the celestial equator
passed through Taurus. The bull which was

793
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:43.800
the spring equinox of that of that
epoch. Canus minor, the dog Hydra,

794
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:49.199
the snake Corvus, the raven and
Scorpio, the scorpion Corvus all present

795
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:53.280
in the turocteny Yep. The thought
is that Mithra had the power to move

796
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:59.960
the cosmos. Jesus twelve disciples may
have been the physical representations of the twelve

797
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:06.159
tribes of Israel, and the number
twelve represented divine authority and completeness. Other

798
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:12.719
cultures held twelve in esteem, though
for example, poor example, how about

799
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:19.000
the twelve Nindanas of Buddhism, the
twelve main gods, gods and goddesses of

800
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:26.239
Greek mythology, twelve labors of Hercules, Hercules, Hercules, and the universal

801
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:30.800
completeness of the twelve pack. This
is how societies build themselves around the number

802
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:35.559
twelve. So in a way,
that's it's kind of a wash. Yeah,

803
01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:42.320
I mean, it's it's more than
a coincidence, but the two aren't

804
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:46.559
really related. It was just in
Mediterranean culture is that number twelve carried a

805
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:53.079
lot of power and people would would
build things out of that, and not

806
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:58.719
every non Mediterranean culture had twelve as
a yeah, you know, so it's

807
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:04.119
you can go both ways in the
argument that that twelve was important in some

808
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:10.480
cultures, but I think you can
argue twelve was just another number in other

809
01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:14.840
cultures. Eat like, I don't, nobody's really gaining a foothold. And

810
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:18.159
in this argument, yeah, so
let's let's just keep going. How about

811
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:23.079
the claim that myths was called the
Good Shepherd, the Way, the Truth,

812
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:29.320
and the Light, Redeemer Savior Matthiah. He's from Barcelona, from Barcelona,

813
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:40.159
Methia yahm a yah. Hey,
this is mostly false. Mythor had

814
01:05:40.159 --> 01:05:44.880
a lot of titles, and Redeemer
Savior was among them. Both religions were

815
01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:49.760
redemptive, but those exact titles probably
came from scholars seeking to draw parallels.

816
01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:54.960
Well. But also, I mean, when you're when you're the the central

817
01:05:55.159 --> 01:06:00.400
deity or or I guess what would
you call that terrestrial abbot, are the

818
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:03.320
earthbound aspect of a god or whatever
you are. I mean, the CEO

819
01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:06.440
of every country, of every company
is the CEO. It doesn't mean they're

820
01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:10.800
all the same guy. It's a
you know, like if you're if you're

821
01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:14.920
the top dog in your religion,
people will refer to you as their savior,

822
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:18.559
as you know, as all those
things, you will be praised similarly

823
01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:23.000
because you hold that position. I
don't I think that. I'm sure it's

824
01:06:23.079 --> 01:06:27.360
totally true that they were both called
all those things, and that that doesn't

825
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:31.039
doesn't mean they're the same thing.
Yeah, yeah, true. How about

826
01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.719
Mithress also performed miracles? Yep?
What do you think of that one?

827
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:39.519
What do I think he did?
I think he did. If you're if

828
01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:41.880
you, I mean you get into
my head, you got you got me

829
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.559
backed into a corner here, I'm
gonna come out swinging. I'm gonna say,

830
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:46.239
yes he did. Yeah, yeah, I say true to this one.

831
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:50.440
And there's art depicting what has come
to me known as the water miracle,

832
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:55.960
where Mithra fired a bolt into a
rock causing it to gush water.

833
01:06:56.360 --> 01:07:00.880
Magic missile. That's a that sounds
like a common miracle. Yeah, I

834
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:06.079
don't know, but it doesn't mean
it wasn't a miracle to them, Sticky,

835
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:11.280
sticky, But yes, I think
if you're a deified figure, you're

836
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:15.880
probably performing miracles or there's there's stories
about it. And I don't think that's

837
01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:18.239
exclusive to any one deity. No, no, And as a matter of

838
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.960
fact, that's the hallmark of a
deity that he has to do something extraordinary,

839
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:27.480
otherwise he's just a dude with a
story. Now, Flora, speaking

840
01:07:27.519 --> 01:07:31.400
of dudes of stories, what about
the resurrection story? Oh, where he

841
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:36.360
was buried and resurrected after three days
in a tomb? Yes, specifically,

842
01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:41.719
he said, because it's Easter times
this one, I'm going to go ahead

843
01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:48.599
and say false. Oh nine geist
tine geist mithread didn't die per se,

844
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:54.199
but was taken up to heaven in
a flaming chariot, more akin to Elijah

845
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:58.800
than Jesus or the end of Greece
or the end of Greece. Remember they

846
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:03.599
get inside the weird I'm clear.
The hot rod that just inexplicably just launches

847
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:09.840
into the air, somebody does to
you. There's no one who has ever

848
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:15.320
said get louder, harder or meant
it more than the guy writing that screenplay.

849
01:08:15.640 --> 01:08:19.720
How do we end? I don't
know, Uh, magic hot rod?

850
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:29.159
Yeah, they just fly into the
scar fly off and we're done here.

851
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:35.199
Okay, Yeah, this one,
this one's I didn't find anything that

852
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:41.800
said, um mythro was I mean, Crucified's even been thrown out there,

853
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:47.960
right, Um No, no tomb, no resurrection, there is maybe the

854
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:54.239
parallel of being born again every year
out of the rock as as like a

855
01:08:54.399 --> 01:09:00.439
ritual that he was from his first
birth. Whatever. But yeah, that

856
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:03.560
one's that one's a little weird,
super weird. But that's not to say

857
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:10.520
that resurrection of a god was not
a common thing. Yeah, that's a

858
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:15.319
very common theme that was found in
a lot of the old religions. In

859
01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:23.479
Egyptian religion is often thrown around Horace
being a christ like figure for them.

860
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:29.800
That's an often one that's also bandied
about with who Jesus actually was or came

861
01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:35.359
from. Different again, a different
resurrection story, different different aspects here and

862
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:42.000
there, but all coming down to
the same like, oh, died either

863
01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:46.720
saving humanity or for humanity or or
for the greater good and then brought back

864
01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:51.720
to life and rules for greater good
or for greater good. Or how about

865
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:59.560
Mythraism had a Eucharist or Lord's supper
that involved consecrated bread and wine. This

866
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:09.119
is true yesh Ish Anyway, there
were feasts to recreate Mythras's last meal with

867
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:15.279
Helios before ascending into heaven, but
a do this in remembrance of me was

868
01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:21.079
not a part of that That can
be verified anyway. You don't get take

869
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:25.279
this bread it is my body and
put it in your mouth, or the

870
01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:29.520
wine. I think they had all
kinds of food. I think it was

871
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:33.079
just a feast. Yeah, I
don't know that anything was particularly and when

872
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:36.279
you look at I mean, I
find a religion that doesn't have a celebratory

873
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:41.239
feast in it. Well brown man, Yeah, I mean you're starting to

874
01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:44.399
get the hang of it. I
think at this point, right final one

875
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:47.920
that we got here. Their initiation
ceremonies included a baptism to remove sins.

876
01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:56.479
This one maybe true. Maybe.
The early Christian writer Tertullian wrote that Mythrists

877
01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:01.560
hundred the gods by washings and sprinkling
water around. This may have been part

878
01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:06.439
of the initiative initiation rights of new
members to begin worship clean and free of

879
01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:12.520
sin. I think that is verified. I don't. I don't know that.

880
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:15.680
It would be like where I'm taking
all your sins, humanity, and

881
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:24.239
I'm now absolving you of of everything. Yeah, but a baptism in some

882
01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:29.039
form or another, yes, to
cleanse oneself. There was also apparently depictions

883
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:35.520
of bulls being sacrificed and the blood
washing over people in a baptismal right,

884
01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:41.399
that Caesars did that too, Yeah, that that's not an uncommon thing.

885
01:11:41.439 --> 01:11:48.119
At the time, the blood of
bulls um in sacrifices were was considered powerful.

886
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:54.520
Yeah, they and myth rest just
can't can't leave that tambole alone anyway,

887
01:11:55.119 --> 01:11:58.760
the bulls screwed. It's like,
it's like the opposite of Hinduism.

888
01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:03.760
You the bull is the least sacred
thing you can find. Yeah, there's

889
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:15.079
a bullet, you'll see that bully. As for Krishna, Buddha, Horace,

890
01:12:15.399 --> 01:12:19.720
zaroster Atis, Dionysis, all those
guys, they all have about the

891
01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:25.920
same similarities from one way or another, though none of them have exact characterization

892
01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:31.560
as Jesus yep. And and for
a lot of them chronologically, there's such

893
01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:39.239
a huge gaps between them. And
yeah, my opinion, was Jesus an

894
01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:45.159
exact copy of a mythological figure?
No, Nope, were certain traits and

895
01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:50.479
ideas from other mythological figures and influence
to early Christian writers and worshippers. I'd

896
01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:55.159
have to say yes. I you
know, I have a hard time with

897
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:58.880
them because it's when you say if
it was influential, that that makes it

898
01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:03.359
seem very linear but just culturally,
people had a lot of very similar ideas.

899
01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:08.159
I don't necessarily think anyone was saying, oh, well, this is

900
01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:10.840
uh, you know, I heard
about this mythras guy, this guy,

901
01:13:11.079 --> 01:13:14.399
this guy, Mythra must be this
guy must be like Mithra, and we'll

902
01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:16.359
give them these things. But I
think so many like what we just talked

903
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:26.319
about, so many religions and belief
systems had so many overlapping ideas or reactions

904
01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:30.720
from people that weren't necessarily linear.
It's not like the people weren't saying,

905
01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:31.800
oh, we'll take this from this
one, and we'll take this from this

906
01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:38.239
right right, U. But the
idea of resurrection or an absolvement of sins

907
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:42.760
exact. Yeah, these were just
common, common themes almost in what people

908
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:45.159
were looking for in in a god, in a in a religion. So

909
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:48.199
I don't I don't know if it's
as linear as saying that was influenced by

910
01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:53.239
them as so much as it was
influenced by the prevailing culture at the time.

911
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:58.159
So so you're the difference to you
is that this came first, So

912
01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:03.720
that's where the next thing came from, as opposed to all these ideas had

913
01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:08.199
been mixing around in history and right, yeah, at the end of it

914
01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:12.279
exactly, I think everyone there was
kind of like a common pool of things

915
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:15.079
that people were pulling out of.
Yeah, yeah, which is like um,

916
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:19.199
something something for people to band together
with, a fraternity, a common

917
01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:23.800
commonality, and it also immunity.
You can also bring it right back to

918
01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:26.960
what we talked to at the beginning. Keep in mind that all these all

919
01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:33.319
these ideas are moved primarily either by
marching armies or by merchants, and so

920
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:38.640
you know, everyone there's there's there's
language discrepancies, there's things that are there.

921
01:14:39.199 --> 01:14:43.159
Everything, every story gets changed as
it moves along, and so what

922
01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:46.600
you end up with is just sort
of kind of this this this commonality in

923
01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:49.560
the center of all trade, which
at you know, at the time we're

924
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:53.760
dealing with is rome Um in the
center of the Roman Empire. You have

925
01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:56.760
all these ideas and they're all kind
of rendering into one general idea, and

926
01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:00.640
then people are sort of taking things
back out of that particular their penny jar

927
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:03.800
for their own beliefs. Sure well, I think as as you hear new

928
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:09.119
ideas, if it's not in your
religion and it sounds good, then aren't

929
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:12.880
you going to want to find a
way to make it to include it.

930
01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:15.800
Yeah, and and and I don't
think anyone goes as directly as I say,

931
01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:17.880
that's a good idea to plug it
in, but right, right,

932
01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:20.800
But they like that idea, so
the next time they tell the story,

933
01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:26.199
maybe something and that, Yeah,
it gets added in, and whoever's the

934
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:29.840
best storyteller wins. Yeah, and
however has the sharpest sword. Also,

935
01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:34.439
yeah, that also counts. Many
claims for similarity emerged hundreds of years after

936
01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:41.600
the New Testament began to be written. That's that's one thing that defenders of

937
01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:48.359
Jesus the Christ will will say,
not that Christianity borrowed from Mythrism, but

938
01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:57.760
Mythrism borrowed retroactively from Christianity. The
thought is that scholars have gone back and

939
01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:05.359
people who are just straight up whole
atheists are saying, no, all all

940
01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:10.560
of your ideas were stolen from from
Mithra right, And I can prove it's.

941
01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:13.359
It's kind of a circular logic thing. Yeah, it's it's and it's

942
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:15.479
yeah, it's just as distasteful as
the as the counter argument, you know,

943
01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:18.600
Yeah, which is why you know, when we go through a list

944
01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:21.840
like that and you break it down. Yeah. None, A lot of

945
01:16:21.920 --> 01:16:26.960
that doesn't make sense. It's just
some s sometimes straight up false claims.

946
01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:30.279
H you got to look into it, but you but you can't ignore the

947
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:35.039
cultures of the time that the idea
is exactly around and when you're looking at

948
01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:40.239
two to four thousand year old belief
systems. Sorry, everyone ever, you

949
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:43.640
have to get into the details,
right, You don't just get to gloss

950
01:16:43.720 --> 01:16:45.359
over it and go, oh,
yeah, that looks about right. Guess

951
01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:48.520
what. All of your every year
life is a lie. Your belief system

952
01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:54.159
is ridiculous. Right, I'll be
at the student center. We're gonna play

953
01:16:54.159 --> 01:17:00.720
hockey sack later. Here's one more
thing here before we we wrap up.

954
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:08.039
There's an interesting article that a friend
of mine posted on Facebook about Jesus being

955
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:13.720
completely fabricated by the Roman aristocracy.
I saw that in order to quell the

956
01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:16.439
masses. Did you read it?
No? I don't read anything on Facebook

957
01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:20.439
as a rule unless it's got to
do with kiddies. I'm gonna I'm gonna

958
01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:25.199
link it in the show notes,
but you can find it at covert messiah

959
01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:39.079
dot com. There's uh what,
Here's the thought, the thought that the

960
01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:44.600
figure of Jesus was was made up. Because they couldn't um control control the

961
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:50.560
populace by force, they decided to
engage psychological warfare and win their hearts with

962
01:17:51.319 --> 01:17:59.399
this one. I don't know the
articles. They're gonna have a debate about

963
01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:03.520
it in October, so we'll we'll
need to put that on our calendars.

964
01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:11.520
And I'm I'm gonna forget about it
tomorrow. But we should look back up

965
01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:17.760
art in air ducts hallow would be
by night vission goggles, covid nsiah.

966
01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:26.359
So I think that'll do it for
right now. Yeah, I think so.

967
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.760
I think that's I think that's a
good slice of Mithra mithra in a

968
01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:42.920
a well avernus um scorpion U shill
oh man. The only thing that hurts

969
01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:55.840
more than getting stung in the giblis
by a scorpion. Butts. Oh,

970
01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:59.199
I'm ready, I am ready and
loaded. You're loaded. Yeah, you

971
01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:00.119
want to go first? One,
let me go first. I don't care.

972
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:02.680
Then I'll go first, all right, tough guy, all right,

973
01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:08.800
all right, obviously you haven't had
your giblie stung yet. You be a

974
01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:13.199
little more cautious. There is UH
in the UH. The mid to late

975
01:19:13.239 --> 01:19:19.880
eighties, there was a new version
of the the the Holy Supper that was

976
01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:24.600
launched. It was trying to trying
to make it more accessible to people by

977
01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:27.800
having it narrated, so people knew
what it was happening the whole time.

978
01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:31.199
And at that time there is few
voices more beloved in the country. So

979
01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:39.760
they opened up the Bob Eucharist.
Jesus Christ shows up at the table,

980
01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:45.359
got a picture of water, go
and it's wine, sure of his blood,

981
01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:58.159
deliver a sermon on the mount outside
of Jerusalem. Yeah, the Bob

982
01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:03.800
Eucharist. That's great. This is
real simple, Okay. It's a Persian

983
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:13.920
themed hang glider shop like it already. It's called Sore Austrian nice. I

984
01:20:14.079 --> 01:20:17.479
like that one you got about your
head gliders somewhere. Did you know that

985
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:21.479
the the cult of Mithress not only
premuated the Roman legion, but it existed

986
01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:27.840
well into the twentieth century, even
getting into um the writings of some of

987
01:20:27.920 --> 01:20:33.119
the great fantasy authors. For example, Um, there is in uh in

988
01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:42.039
Jero Tolkien Tolkien's books there is the
underground dwarf and Stronghold Mythras Tirasts. Oh

989
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:48.199
it was that was was Minas Tirat
Is that dwarf and underground. Oh yeah,

990
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:51.880
well that was still Mythris Tirastha A
right, come at me, nerds,

991
01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:58.079
they will, I know, look
for them on the fifth day.

992
01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:00.039
Yeah, well you can't. We've
already figured out that I was wrong.

993
01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:04.600
So whoops a daisy, look to
the east. Yeah, all right,

994
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:09.960
one more, I've got I've got
a new religion. Oh good, h

995
01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:14.880
called more. Um, this isn't
a pun, but the religion is called

996
01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:19.159
a mormaic mystery. Oh it's it's
a it's it's another little religious cult where

997
01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:28.039
bull scenes are carved on gold plates. And and the thing is you don't

998
01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:30.600
get to see the gold plates.
They're only seen by the founder, whose

999
01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:34.960
name was Joseph smithra nice. Oh
I like that. I like you.

1000
01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:39.319
That was a curveball you arked around
and then boom right in the eye socket.

1001
01:21:41.479 --> 01:21:45.000
That was nice. Them's his puns. Now, let's just see what

1002
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:49.239
the darkest cult and all the land
hath brought forth. Hugely secretive. You

1003
01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:54.119
can't tell anyone about them. Medccasionally
their writings. I'm made known to us,

1004
01:21:54.880 --> 01:22:09.520
reach deep into the dark and earthen
cave and bring forth this. All

1005
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:13.880
right, all right, all right, all right, ladies and gentlemen,

1006
01:22:14.399 --> 01:22:17.840
welcome to the heavy lifting of listener
mail. You guys are great, and

1007
01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:21.800
you guys write a lot, and
now it's scaring the shout of us.

1008
01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:27.079
But we're gonna we are We're resolute. I mean, we will fight to

1009
01:22:27.159 --> 01:22:30.479
the last man to read everything we
possibly can. But but thank all of

1010
01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:33.279
you, but we're sort of getting
to a point where we might not be

1011
01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:36.720
able to do I don't know,
we might have to surf his choice.

1012
01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:40.560
Yea, yeah, it's it's starting
to scare us a little bit, but

1013
01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:45.159
we're we're at this moment we are
still somehow resolute. Yeah, we're gonna

1014
01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:51.840
go down swinging. First up,
Eric of the North. Uh, Eric

1015
01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:56.359
writes, just finished up episode ninety
two, which he liked a lot of

1016
01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:58.760
guys like that one too. Which
one was him? I don't know,

1017
01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:03.279
Oh it's uh, it's the one
we everyone loves. It's the um Civil

1018
01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:08.960
War ghost stories Floa's baby, he
says. Guys, that was incredible.

1019
01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:13.239
When awesome ken Burn's homage send up
nailed it. Most impressive. High five,

1020
01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:17.000
Flora, thank you. How about
some mundane superpowers? Yes, um

1021
01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:26.039
telecams's ability to move one mouse with
your minds Um clairvoyance, the ability to

1022
01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:31.279
remotely view ants clairvoyants, X ray
fish and the ability to see inside a

1023
01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:39.079
fish from the outside of it.
Supress strength, strength, the power,

1024
01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:45.399
it's super strength, the power of
misspelling. I have that one. And

1025
01:23:45.560 --> 01:23:50.680
he's also putting forth the name of
Blur rights as the listeners. We have

1026
01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:54.119
to we're gonna we gotta figure that
out. To figure it out. We

1027
01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:57.159
do, we do. We're slack, but polling is still open. Put

1028
01:23:57.199 --> 01:24:01.720
your submissions in. Thank you so
much, Eric do Ard. I I

1029
01:24:01.880 --> 01:24:06.439
found out my superpower, my useless
superpower. I guess it's it's a curse.

1030
01:24:09.600 --> 01:24:15.359
Yeah, you can sit there and
see for yourself. Um No,

1031
01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:21.600
it's every time every time I want
to catch a cab, um, they

1032
01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:27.840
disappear. Yea. Um. And
the worst part about it is when I'm

1033
01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:30.319
not in a place to catch a
cab, Like when I'm walking to the

1034
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:34.520
corner of an intersection, I'll see
a parade of cabs go by. Yes,

1035
01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:36.920
they blow by the intersection. You
get there and then they're all gone.

1036
01:24:38.079 --> 01:24:41.239
And I get to the intersection and
I look down the street and it's

1037
01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:44.760
uh, it's like zombie town.
There's no worse feeling than that. Uh,

1038
01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:47.079
yeah, I get you. What
do you got, Flora, I've

1039
01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:54.439
got this one. Oh uh,
that was weird. Did you check the

1040
01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:57.760
levels on our microphones? Because I
know, I know, I haven't touched

1041
01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:00.720
them. I gotta tell you that
my say that I was going to have

1042
01:25:00.760 --> 01:25:03.680
a friend of mine from Japan?
What well, I was gonna buy a

1043
01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:10.439
friend from Japan. He's a really
fluent English speaker. He actually translates in

1044
01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:15.359
the Air Force base out there.
But well, I mean he's just you

1045
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:17.319
know, he's gonna his wife,
Matsuko, was coming over to the US

1046
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:20.439
for a little while. They're just
gonna go on a little vacation. Probably

1047
01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:27.760
asleep right now, right, oh
yeah, definitely sleep. What is this?

1048
01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:31.920
We weren't swike shirt? At what
point? Mecca? John Zillah was

1049
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:35.840
entering that discussion. But he's here
now. It's just sort of like lurking

1050
01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:42.560
outside the window. Y'all gonna stop? Is it now? Okay? John

1051
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:46.359
Zillah rights upon seems in Ireland there
was a man who would go out into

1052
01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:51.279
the outskirts and outlying areas of town
and fly his kite. The thing is

1053
01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:57.800
that he would always get the kite
strings caught in everything, making people hate

1054
01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:04.439
him so much that they start calling
him you hinter kite. I like that.

1055
01:26:05.399 --> 01:26:11.600
I like that a lot. You
accept a mundane superpower, Dave,

1056
01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:15.479
oh, I will the ability to
always have that two cents someone needs when

1057
01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:19.279
checking out at a store, except
when it's you that needs it. I

1058
01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:23.920
like that. You're like the human
need a penny. John Yeah, I

1059
01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:29.399
like that, and John Zilla says, keep up the Lord's work. Yeah,

1060
01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:32.159
thank you, Mecca, John Zella. How about Facebook? Ground up

1061
01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:41.880
Facebook? Ground up? Here?
Facebook sound like good luck? You do

1062
01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:45.840
whatever you boogie on, you do
what you want with that floor. I'm

1063
01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:48.720
gonna put the music that we can't
normally use for stuff in here perfect,

1064
01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:51.680
so we'll see what does that even
mean that we can't normal There's a lot

1065
01:26:51.760 --> 01:26:56.720
of there's a lot of music that
is great, but I it just has

1066
01:26:56.800 --> 01:27:00.640
never fit in any of any good
we've junked our music time. Yeah,

1067
01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:08.039
all right, we go Joan that. Joan writes, first of all,

1068
01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:10.399
I'm loving the podcast. I'm hoping
it. So I've been listening and trying

1069
01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:14.239
to catch up and just listen to
the Dream Show. And Joan wanted to

1070
01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:17.960
share that she's have a couple of
really vivid dreams. Sometimes she writes them

1071
01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:20.640
down. A lot of them are
kind of silly or non realistic, but

1072
01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:25.880
some of them are super real.
For example, sometimes dream she woke up

1073
01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:30.520
crying, having after having a dream
about leaving a childhood home. Or sometimes

1074
01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:33.560
she'll have dreams where she like the
talking or laughing wakes her up from it.

1075
01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:36.960
I have that happen all the time. I know exactly what you're talking

1076
01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:39.920
about there. I actually for a
little while. I don't know if we

1077
01:27:39.960 --> 01:27:43.279
talk about this in the podcast.
I used to work in a stone shop.

1078
01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:47.039
I used to grind granite into like
custom countertops. Is terrible, terrible,

1079
01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:50.039
but you end up with like grit
all over your face, and so

1080
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:53.239
it gets in your mouth, it's
on your lips. You get used to

1081
01:27:53.319 --> 01:27:56.800
spitting a lot, And for years
after I had that job, I would

1082
01:27:56.880 --> 01:28:00.600
spit in my sleep. How gross
and lame is that? Don't do that

1083
01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:03.520
anymore. But Joan points out something
interesting that I think we've talked about that.

1084
01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:10.079
Primarily, she'll incorporate things when she
takes like brief naps. You incorporate

1085
01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:13.000
things that she sees on TV if
she's taking a nap into her dream.

1086
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:15.000
I think that's pretty common. I
think a lot of people do that,

1087
01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:17.760
So thank you so much, Joan, Thanks for Jane, also, Sean,

1088
01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:23.680
the Account of the Gingers. Not
quite yet the baron, but time

1089
01:28:23.760 --> 01:28:29.359
will tell. Nowhere near Errol,
he says, Hello, gentlemen of the

1090
01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:31.119
blurred photo verse. Hello, does
the Count of the Gingers, who must

1091
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:35.279
ask a couple of questions about previous
episodes that actually time together. It looks

1092
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:39.439
like in a candy chat and Civil
War ghost we made a second miss at

1093
01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:44.079
something, so here we go.
What is an inexpensive treat that also hails

1094
01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:47.079
from Civil war camps that were in
dire need of sweet tooth satisfaction? Well

1095
01:28:47.119 --> 01:28:51.720
it was, of course, General
mackel s'mores? What what? What?

1096
01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:57.680
What? What? A well played? How could Betty and Tad miss that?

1097
01:28:58.880 --> 01:29:00.920
Welcome to ye said, welcome to
season four. You get your cryptids

1098
01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:06.800
for nothing and your puns for free? Nice? That ain't working podcast and

1099
01:29:06.960 --> 01:29:12.920
the way we'd do it nice?
Thank you so much, Sean, the

1100
01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:16.760
Count of the Gingers. I can't
wait for y'all promotion and subsequent quotination.

1101
01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:20.479
You can quotiny perhaps, I don't
know, maybe you'll getting knocked off by

1102
01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:25.880
a family member. Yeah, watch
your back man all right. Also from

1103
01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:30.439
Facebook Rosalind Hi Rosalind, she hopes
Flora that you're feeling better, at least

1104
01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:32.560
until the hangover kicks in, oh
man, which it did. Kicked you

1105
01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:41.239
kicked in straightened the last stung.
It stung like a scorpion. Um um,

1106
01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:44.119
and I'm feeling bad now. What
is wrong with me this season?

1107
01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:49.880
I need to change my van better
filter air filters. Rosalind. Sorry,

1108
01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:53.640
she couldn't drink to Saint Patrick with
us in the black in the background,

1109
01:29:53.720 --> 01:29:56.640
but hard as it was, she
drank without us. And you know what,

1110
01:29:57.079 --> 01:29:59.520
I can't blame you for that.
You gotta do what you gotta do.

1111
01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.520
We mentioned that we were curious about
the show that the Bunyip was in

1112
01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:09.560
because as as you were called Bunyan
Bunyip, Rosalind made that really cool bunyant

1113
01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:14.279
puppet. That's right, We've got
a I got the fan art up on

1114
01:30:14.520 --> 01:30:16.479
the website now, so go to
the gallery and check that out, and

1115
01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:23.199
you'll you'll see a picture of her, yeah, and the puppet. Um

1116
01:30:23.359 --> 01:30:26.720
and she says, please don't sing
the Bunyip moon song. As an Aza

1117
01:30:26.720 --> 01:30:29.079
who grew up with Dot M Kangaroo, it still sends. I had the

1118
01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:31.279
same exact reaction to it. There's
something I don't like doing it. It's

1119
01:30:31.399 --> 01:30:35.199
terrifying. And when I listened to
the episode where I did the bunyip roar,

1120
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:39.359
it creeped me out. And you
have my word, I will not

1121
01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:42.760
repeat that because I don't like hearing
it later. Rosalind, you and I

1122
01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:46.960
are in the exact same boat with
that. I'm immune to it. Well,

1123
01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:50.119
fine, when we go visit Australia, I'll stand in the long line

1124
01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:54.399
with everybody and we'll all throw tomatoes
at you, all right, because we're

1125
01:30:54.399 --> 01:30:59.119
scared of bunyips. She's a storyteller
and was part of a storytelling series UM

1126
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:03.960
called the Victorian Guild of Storytellers,
which sounds pretty awesome and uh. They

1127
01:31:04.279 --> 01:31:09.079
usually tell original tales in the same
feel as old folklore, and one of

1128
01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:12.680
the tales she told was about a
bunya. The photo is of herself and

1129
01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:16.159
the bunyant puppet UM doing during question
time after the show. So that's pretty

1130
01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:19.239
cool. Hey, Flora, have
you heard about Have you heard much about

1131
01:31:19.239 --> 01:31:21.760
that crazy guy who creeps up to
you and whispers with a creepy, too

1132
01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:28.039
warm breath in your ear? About
aliens. George too close. I've heard

1133
01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:30.880
his brother's children have a weird ability
to style his hair with their mind.

1134
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:38.560
They are psychokineses. Niece's nieces yea
psychokiness man, and his aunt is obsessed

1135
01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:43.600
with biblical artifacts, so much so
that they call her Holy Gail. They

1136
01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:47.319
do hit the spot. These puns
indeed slancha for our belated Saint Patrick's celebrations.

1137
01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:53.079
Roslyn, thank you, thank you. And finally from Facebook town,

1138
01:31:53.680 --> 01:31:57.199
Robert, what do you what you
used to flavor the devil baby when you

1139
01:31:57.359 --> 01:32:03.920
sacrifice it? Do you mean the
devil Grabby? What do you call Lucifer's

1140
01:32:03.960 --> 01:32:10.880
barber devil Floby? Also just Floby? What do you call the son of

1141
01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:15.680
a stone? Elemental gravel baby?
And isn't the devil baby? Isn't this

1142
01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:20.479
this isn't devil baby related? Sorry? Oh yeah, and it's about the

1143
01:32:20.560 --> 01:32:25.520
drunk podcast when I sprouted dream gibberish. He's done the same thing at least.

1144
01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:28.439
Oh yeah, yeah. He was
in bed with his girlfriend. She

1145
01:32:28.520 --> 01:32:30.319
asked him something and he was just
like, blah blah blah blah blah.

1146
01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:34.039
Different situation. What you did was
perfectly normal. What I did was an

1147
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:43.960
abomination, but I was trying to
save an Atlantic steamship and two Monday superpowers

1148
01:32:45.439 --> 01:32:48.640
can sleep anytime, anywhere and dream
almost immediately. Actually, that's just a

1149
01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:53.640
superpower. My girlfriend hasn't it.
And how about he can make his car

1150
01:32:53.720 --> 01:32:56.439
invisible, but only when it's in
a parking lot or he's walking out of

1151
01:32:56.479 --> 01:33:00.239
the store. Yeah, yeah,
thank you very much, Robert, thank

1152
01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:05.760
you. One more go for it. Heard from Vardra. Oh I like

1153
01:33:05.920 --> 01:33:12.520
that name, yea, Vardra says, dear blurryman, we are men hell.

1154
01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:17.479
With Easter approaching, I'm reminded of
an interesting custom which might tickle your

1155
01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:25.439
collective fancies. That you the easter
witch of Sweden, and Varda put the

1156
01:33:26.239 --> 01:33:32.199
I guess the Swedish version of this
in parentheses pascaring uh pop pop scaring?

1157
01:33:32.600 --> 01:33:36.439
Oh, I don't know. Basically, on Easter, children dress up as

1158
01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:40.920
witches and go around asking for treats, like on Halloween. Varga says,

1159
01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:45.279
I believe this custom comes from a
traditional folk story that the witches would all

1160
01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:50.439
fly to Blocula, where the Blacula, the devil, holds court. We

1161
01:33:50.600 --> 01:33:56.880
defeated him in the seventies and have
a sabbath on this day you're the worst,

1162
01:33:59.359 --> 01:34:01.319
although not really enough for a show
idea. She's always found that tradition

1163
01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:09.079
and pretty entertaining. One so pleased
with myself. When are you not?

1164
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:14.800
Yeah? The drunk drunk episode,
shut up, an attempted puns and a

1165
01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:17.920
mundane superpower bring him. There was
actually an event which proceeded to business plot

1166
01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:24.800
during the Prohibition where community leaders such
as al Capone and Bugsy Siegel attempted to

1167
01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:30.880
overthrow the government with an army of
gangsters. It was called what the Business

1168
01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:39.239
Plot? I like that bitness.
Yeah. Archaeologists have recently uncovered a twin

1169
01:34:39.439 --> 01:34:44.600
site to Kerleon. In this new
site, they've found sculptures and wall paintings

1170
01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:50.640
which seemed to suggest belief in a
never aging sorceress who ruled through her magic

1171
01:34:50.760 --> 01:35:02.680
songs. I'm listening. The site
is being called chair Leon. I love

1172
01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:15.319
that everything that she sings us from
like behind a pillow and through like a

1173
01:35:15.439 --> 01:35:20.479
horse's mouth. Yeah, exactly,
and a munday and superpower. Nose invisibility

1174
01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:26.520
not the ability to turn your nose
invisible, but the ability to be invisible

1175
01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:31.399
to the noses of others. I
think they call that hygiene. She Varger

1176
01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:34.560
says. I think there are times
in all of our lives where we may

1177
01:35:34.680 --> 01:35:43.520
have wished for this power. So
true, And a PostScript day a posts

1178
01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:51.319
I believe the Swedes deserve their own
name for foxmus slash Saturnalia since night lasts

1179
01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:57.199
a good portion of the day around
Swedish Christmas time. So true. Oh

1180
01:35:57.279 --> 01:36:00.359
well you get like, I mean, is it? Is it? Huh?

1181
01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:03.600
Terms ubermis like? What is?
Yeah? What is? What is

1182
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:11.640
the Swedish moniker for super or extra? Varder suggests null or canole as it

1183
01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:20.640
combines null, which apparently means hu
and you'll, which means Christmas perfect soul

1184
01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:25.680
nul nul. We can put that
on cards in the US. No,

1185
01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:28.319
no, no, we're talking about
no no no no no no no no

1186
01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:33.920
no no let me no no no, get try and get a SCC.

1187
01:36:35.319 --> 01:36:39.079
You'll never catch me. Go no, you'll say yeah, and then we

1188
01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:41.479
get to go. You know what
we'll do is well, then we'll become

1189
01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:45.119
expatriates living in Sweden. That's that
is. I wouldn't ever read about that.

1190
01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:48.520
Sure, I'll learn the language.
Let's do it. Oh alrighty,

1191
01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:53.600
so tons more listener mail to get
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Ye what else we got nothing?
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Photos, I have been Dave the
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