WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.040 Hey. How about a very good afternoon, I am Carlan Ramírez, and 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.879 we are in a more broadcast dedir Radio design in your ears here in the 3 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:11.640 new season of the year that we are recording with capo laboro here from the 4 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:14.839 street of San Luis, Potosí one hundred and thirteen, here in Colonia Roma 5 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:17.640 Norte. So come and take a little turn, see some high- design 6 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:20.760 furniture, because it' s really amazing. Come and take a little turn 7 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:24.320 to show room is always open Monday through Friday until 6 p m. So, 8 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:28.120 come and take a little turn. And I' m very happy because 9 00:00:28.199 --> 00:00:33.159 today we have a guest that the truth, for a long time I already 10 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:36.359 wanted to be on R Radio, but we finally did it and he is 11 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:40.719 David Dana, David how you are very well, it gives me great pleasure. 12 00:00:40.840 --> 00:00:44.439 Thank you for being here with us at last here on radio a pleasure. 13 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.960 Not really, thanks to you for having you here a pleasure and good. 14 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:52.640 I want to start the talk by asking you who David Dana is, 15 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:58.759 who' s real. This one' s good at interlining a little bit 16 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:02.359 of your question. M is part of who I am. I have been 17 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:07.560 wanting to communicate with people for a few years through my work, ok because 18 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:15.760 I am a very hard worker and we have been doing a lot of time 19 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:22.200 this exercise of sharing the creative process in planimetries, in axonometrics, in model 20 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:26.159 drawing and then documenting also the constructive process, because I feel that, as 21 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:27.040 artist architects, it is very important that the work speaks for itself. Sure, 22 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:32.519 however, Right now, I sit in a moment of my life with 23 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:36.480 my wonderful wife and my four children, surrounded by more friends than ever, 24 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:44.040 where I am delighted to talk to you a little bit about my experience and 25 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:49.439 also to nourish myself from the experiences of other people, as in this case 26 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:53.159 of Radio. Thank you. Oh, wow. It' s amazing and 27 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:53.480 it' s good. I really like it and, above all, that 28 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:57.719 you take so much into account your family is always present. Yes, of 29 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.200 course, how good and how is it that David Dana without architecture, at 30 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:05.680 what time he said, then this way Look. I am a person who 31 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:08.879 is very evident that my strongest hemisphere is the creative one. Since I was 32 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:15.840 very small ok this also my father is architect, developer and I had an 33 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:23.159 approach to the profession throughout my life. OK. And I do remember that 34 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:30.400 when it came time to decide the race, the first thing I did was 35 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:34.479 eliminate architecture, because I am a very analytical person, I am very committed 36 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.199 to what I do. I took my life very seriously and started thinking psychology. 37 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:43.000 I love psychology, I like a lot of things. And finally, 38 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.960 I was also given the opportunity to make a backpacker trip in that period of 39 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:50.560 time and I said there is no doubt that I want to be an architect. 40 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:53.039 There' s no doubt about it. The problem I have is that 41 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:58.240 the way I connect with architecture is different from what I have seen in my 42 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:06.000 dad over time. That' s when it started as this personal process of 43 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:10.639 how to start my career. OK, well, it was a relentless search. 44 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:14.759 But in the end you fell into architecture, yes, no doubt, 45 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:17.439 and it' s good that I fell into architecture. Oh, that' 46 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:24.039 s good and where you study architecture. I studied in Ibero, I loved 47 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:30.599 the bachelor' s degree, I liked the generation very much and we joined 48 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:34.479 a lot, because we talked to people from other generations who didn' t 49 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:37.879 integrate. Not others do we integrate. Throughout the five years many very beautiful 50 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:44.360 relationships are generated and we had a time in Libero where there were very good 51 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:49.159 teachers who influenced us a lot. Okay then, Ibero, great race. 52 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:53.680 You know where I confirmed it. When I went on trade. My first 53 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:57.919 test was in Australia, my boyfriend MIT and, of course, I was 54 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:00.800 nervous. Yes, of course I confess that I didn' t know how 55 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:02.639 to speak English very well. I went to a Hebrew school. I wasn 56 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:08.520 ' t taught English at that school and the first semester was a challenge. 57 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:11.560 I don' t mean, I have to learn to speak English. Today 58 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:15.080 I speak it perfectly well, although I have lived a long time in the 59 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:17.959 United States. But it was a challenge and I wanted to prove myself and 60 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:24.360 I realized that any student of laiber would have put you for you with any 61 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:29.759 student of mit seriously, certainly the problem, certainly accurate. All right, 62 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:34.800 so that helped me understand myself in context. I had that, let' 63 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:40.439 s say that opportunity, that blessing, that gives you a lot of security, 64 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.720 because you say today I' m crossing the world. I come with 65 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:49.079 that restlessness to a very good university to know if I' m going to 66 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.160 be able to unwrap or not. And of course it is any student, 67 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:57.560 at least the Leiber, for how I compared the work we did in projects 68 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:03.560 against what she developed. Very, very even, very even. Wow. 69 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:08.040 Yeah, the Hiberra prepared us pretty well. How cute, what a father 70 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:12.759 that if the University did commit itself to in that way, it is compromising 71 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.519 to have very very, very competitive generations. Out there good and then I 72 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:21.120 lost the free lead. Luis de Villafranca was removed, and the selection of 73 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:24.600 teachers changed a lot. Today, I couldn' t tell you how she 74 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:28.319 is. But when they had them they were all WOW. Then it was 75 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:31.759 very good. And when I returned from the Master' s degree, after 76 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:36.079 I had been living outside Mexico for a while, I went back straight to 77 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:40.879 teach in free. I' ve been giving an urban planning workshop for 10th 78 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:45.279 semester students for two years it will have been and it was a beautiful subject. 79 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:47.920 I was demanding, as I say, demanding with me, demanding with 80 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:53.839 others, but we did a very good job and there was follow- up 81 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:58.120 with some of the students. Very well what a father and I am very 82 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:01.759 pleased to return to your soul ma already as a teacher that father was well, 83 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:09.040 but at the same time I got together with the start of my office 84 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:13.639 and at no time I imagined that it would be something as complex as it 85 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.600 has been. I' m telling you in complete honesty. Then the class 86 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:20.959 would come. It was four hours on Fridays, starting at seven in the 87 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:25.839 morning. Okay, but at a time when you start, when you have 88 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:31.199 to risk the most and when you have to commit the most. Then I 89 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:36.439 was already voiceless to the clear class, i e I literally arrived exhausted. 90 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:41.040 I' m saying back then I' ve been 27 years old. I 91 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:45.639 ' m already thirty- eight, ten years ago you' re still young, 92 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:48.879 young, all your life. Hey now, well, tired marathon was 93 00:06:48.959 --> 00:06:54.639 that then last semester. I confess that I could no longer do the activities 94 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:58.279 they did for teachers. I had a lot of champagne, thank God, 95 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:03.160 we were already saturated and it was a little bit bad for average leibero of 96 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:08.839 low and since then I haven' t taken that back. And well this 97 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:14.560 process opened up to me that I tell you to be very constant, to 98 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:18.920 share the work, to communicate with the work itself and that' s already 99 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:24.199 what has happened over these ten years. Ok practice yog very well. So, 100 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:28.000 when you got out of college, your incursion was later, then you 101 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.600 went to your office or you started with someone else or you threw yourself in 102 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:35.000 the ring, then I ended up applying to the master' s degree. 103 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:43.199 Okay, I went to America. I had a very competitive master' s 104 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:46.199 degree, very rich, very pleasant, unforgettable. He trained me as a 105 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:53.079 human being in my personal and professional values. And when I was done, 106 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.399 I realized they were missing a lot. Mexico missed me in the dunes, 107 00:07:56.560 --> 00:08:01.920 my four strange dunes yesterday to David. Then I realized I couldn' t 108 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:09.839 live without Mexico. So I did decide to go back, because my heart 109 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:16.279 connects with Mexico and I love the United States very much, the Americans of 110 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:18.959 any state. I understand myself well with them. I lived there for three 111 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:24.519 and a half years. I don' t have a problem, but I 112 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:28.319 ' m Mexico and besides, I missed the weather, I missed my language, 113 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.800 I missed food. Then I came back with the intention of starting with 114 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:37.360 the project and we basically started very well. What a father, how I 115 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:43.600 started. I recruited an intern who is a girl from Poland who was living 116 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:48.480 in Mexico and invited him to do the Alquine contest. It was my first 117 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.159 in two weeks that I arrived in Mexico. I was already literally teaching ibero 118 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:56.360 classes and I was already doing this project that we took second place. Yes 119 00:08:56.600 --> 00:09:01.080 and hello, this girl from Poland was happy that we took second place. 120 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.240 I couldn' t believe it, really. I came back with a hearing 121 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:09.720 mentality. You have to win the contest because, because you have to position 122 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:13.559 yourself in Mexico, there is very good architectural level, very good artistic level 123 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.000 and it is an industry that is saturated. We have to be honest. 124 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.840 Yes, that is very saturated, the truth, but what a father, 125 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.200 that is, you arrived very active, then I arrived very artivistic. Hey, 126 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:28.519 what parents and how that transition has been in those changes of ten years 127 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:33.559 of abitana workshop so far, because the beginning was strong, I don' 128 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.440 t doubt it. And, now, how are we doing? We' 129 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:43.600 re going well, right now, I' m developing a shopping mall called 130 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:46.799 Forest Pavilion. We are developing a building in South Rome, in Medellín, 131 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:52.000 three, three, five. Not very well, we are developing a pethouse 132 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:56.480 in a building called Levia, an apartment in a building called Frondoso, and 133 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:01.360 we have a project also here in South Rome, which is on the street 134 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:05.639 of Puerto Mexico for moments on which we are focusing. And we also have 135 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.759 some other projects, but mainly that is the agenda of WAW fear projects, 136 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:16.519 because very active always. Super well, I remember that I went to college 137 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:20.720 and talked a lot about Vitana workshop always, always what they sent me to 138 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:26.440 the wedding ay cos who I' m giving you I' m hesitating who 139 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:33.159 you sent to scold him. I didn' t always grow up good at 140 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:37.600 the university training, because they always had us as very alert of who was 141 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.080 doing everything out there, No, because we also have to upgrade as students. 142 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:46.519 And then I was fortunate enough to have some teachers who made a lot 143 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:50.600 of effort into it and in the subjects and offices that mentioned them a lot. 144 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.879 It was a bitanal workshop that when I was almost out. Then, 145 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:58.120 because I would like to work with David, No, but look yesterday I 146 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:03.759 am interviewing you better hear and what would be like the jewel. I know 147 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.080 you' ve done thousands of things over ten years of your office, but 148 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.720 what would be the crown jewel, that is, of a project you said. 149 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:16.759 This would be the great Vitana workshop project. I say my mouth is 150 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:22.840 watered, because everyone, the architect crector, has dreams, has desires for 151 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:28.279 me would be a museum, museum wow. When I visit Tamayo, I 152 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.960 go crazy. Yeah, and I' m doing a lot of good here, 153 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:37.279 yeah, it' s a great museum, great museum, great place, 154 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:41.320 there' s no such places anymore. Great architectural project, totally true. 155 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:46.480 It was a great project and it is still because it is very latent 156 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:50.080 and I am very happy that they continue to have it in the constancy that 157 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.159 they have exhibitions and that it remains in everyone' s mouth. But yes, 158 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:54.360 it' s a project. And good thing it encourages you to say, 159 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:56.000 because I want to do something like that too, but you' d 160 00:11:56.039 --> 00:12:00.519 like it here in Mexico. Yeah, yeah, you gotta go or in 161 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.639 Mexico City, cool It' s amazing, it' s, that' 162 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.000 s really dad. Hey and when you do what your design process is like 163 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:11.159 in your office. When he comes to you the client tells you I want 164 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:13.360 this, how he' s unfolding it until it' s done. Andredes 165 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:20.279 sure looks. Casually in recent weeks I have come up with this question with 166 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.720 other people. I' ve been doing the same creative process for ten years 167 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.639 now. We' re correcting it. The creative process is always I express 168 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:33.159 myself very well by hand, I draw. I' ve got tables. 169 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:39.600 My computer is a digital lifter and apart, I have two tables. So, 170 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:43.559 what I always do, undoubtedly in all projects is I request a model 171 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:48.399 three D of the current state or of the land or property that we are 172 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.360 going to intervene. And on that model three D, which is volumetric and 173 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:56.519 monopromatic, there is no project. I make screenshots, both of the exterior 174 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:01.679 facades and the interior spaces. And in my drawing table above that count giving 175 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:09.279 specification of material, of constructive procedure of everything not. And this is done 176 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:13.399 with a group of architects who are part of my workshop, who model it 177 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.600 in sketch. And in sketch it has been a tool that has worked for 178 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.919 us, because you can work with materials, you can work with textures. 179 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.559 Then the creative process jumps from my deed to three D. And then we 180 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:31.039 started working a lot on the three D. Of course we see similar cases, 181 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:35.759 of course we look at Pintress and right now what happens with the revolution 182 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:41.559 of artificial intelligence, which I don' t know if we' re talking 183 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:46.559 enough in Mexico, but it' s something that' s already arrived and 184 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:48.480 that' s going to stay. The creative process is going to change radically, 185 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.639 no doubt, no doubt, and but you are ready to adapt to 186 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:58.600 this. We put our batteries on and now, we are in the process 187 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:01.080 of rethinking the creative process. What I did was recruit a creative cell, 188 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.759 because right now there are contests, investor projects, private client projects that I 189 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:13.960 want to develop with them. We have already acquired four tools that we are 190 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:20.080 experimenting with and were greatly influenced by a video from a Dutch office that surely 191 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.320 knows your radioscutturs called vr DV. Sure well, they have a YouTube video 192 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:28.080 that I highly recommend to everyone. Or if not then I' ll send 193 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:35.519 it to you that the director of his company, who carries an umbrella of 194 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:39.720 artificial intelligence in many aspects of the office talks. How they implemented those tools 195 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:46.720 of their creative process and I found it excellent, because it is a process 196 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:50.519 that is already taking it to buildings that are being built. The result is 197 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.799 magnificent And one part that is very important is that they managed to make copyrights 198 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:58.279 theirs and use a program that is called parrot, that what you do is 199 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:03.440 that you teach it to produce architecture following a little bit of your architectural language. 200 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.120 So, when you watch the Enbiardics video, some geniuses, obviously what 201 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:13.799 they start exploring at the schematic level or that Pintrest replacement. Instead of going 202 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:18.559 to Pintrest, they already come to these tools that have a language of their 203 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:24.480 own and then they land it in revits and build it oh very well, 204 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:30.200 that is, spectacular shows sounds very ribla and apart something very complete, I 205 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.120 mean, yes, it complements very much with all the tools that are using 206 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.679 to make a projection. Yeah, I think I' m saying they' 207 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:43.200 re inevitable tools. I say I set the example when you were riding a 208 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:48.600 bike and you were going up a climb and I didn' t have speeds 209 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:52.679 and suddenly, one day you tried a bike with speeds and it was better 210 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:54.600 to suffer it wasn' t faster. Yeah, I feel like these tools 211 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:58.279 have a very direct analogy. Then you have to take advantage of them. 212 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:04.559 We have to get familiar right now in the office we are bidding where we 213 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:11.159 are forming a creative cell, where we want to rethink the creative process using 214 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.799 artificial intelligence tools. We want to see where this procedure gave us, always 215 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:22.200 maintaining copyright and always maintaining the architectural value and architectural thinking behind each of our 216 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.799 projects. That' s the main thing and that' s the first thing 217 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.559 they say in Virdty' s video. Ah. All right, well, 218 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:34.120 yes, send me Lengens ec already, very very interesting and it is something 219 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:38.799 that is already here, that is to say already arrived and to stay and 220 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:42.879 because you are very right, that is, it came to revolutionize many things 221 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:49.840 and, instead of stopping us from stopping and thinking about all the bad things 222 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:53.600 that could happen best, how we can acquire it to our design processes, 223 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:56.120 as you are clear. Look. It' s a discussion that I think 224 00:16:56.159 --> 00:17:00.480 is going to start happening. If I go a little further, not that 225 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.960 when Ubert came clear, the first response in Mexico was today in taxi drivers 226 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.119 are going to run out of Chamba. Finally, today Huber is already in 227 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:14.400 place, is already implemented, generated jobs, generated opportunities and changed the industry 228 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:22.400 in a disruptive way. I don' t feel that changes are totally inevitable 229 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:26.000 when change is a good tool for something people take it when it' s 230 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.480 not a good tool. There have been thousands of failed projects that no one 231 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:34.160 will ever see again. I feel like the student doesn' t have to 232 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:37.839 be afraid of him. On the contrary, you have to understand that right 233 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:45.400 now a window of opportunity opens to rethink the profession, so that it is 234 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:52.079 more accessible to all, because they are very economical tools and so that they 235 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:55.680 can be better developed as artists and architects. I do not think they should 236 00:17:55.759 --> 00:18:00.880 have a relationship with this change from a premise of fear. You have no 237 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:06.720 premise of clear opportunity and creativity and exploration, and you have to use the 238 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:11.680 tools yes clear. Of course, at some point it also happened to Irradia 239 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.599 when we broadcast live as if we were a normal radio station and suddenly the 240 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.480 podcast arrived. Now what do we do? Not sure, everyone' s 241 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:22.000 going to want to do it now, because I can do it wherever it 242 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:23.359 is and we' re going to take our shamba off. We' re 243 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:27.240 eight years old here. So it' s a question of adapting to changes, 244 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:32.720 of letting yourself flow and seeing a chance to say no. Not this. 245 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:34.400 They' re not gonna stop me. We will integrate, of course 246 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:37.640 not to make the most solid, stronger in our work. No. And 247 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:41.480 that' s good of you, because you' re at dawn on that. 248 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:44.079 I mean, it gives me a lot of income. And I do 249 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.720 remember looking at my first professional practice. Uh- huh I made it with 250 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:48.599 an architect. I won' t say a name, because I admire him 251 00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:51.799 very much, I love him very much. It' s very close here, 252 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:52.319 but I' m going to sell it. That' s why I 253 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.680 don' t say no and he did tell me about the renders and I 254 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.359 didn' t come in. Ok was the new thing back then I told 255 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.920 the renders, I didn' t come in. I' ll take the 256 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.119 foil, with photoshop, with the collage, and I think it did and 257 00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:11.920 it affected him. And today, of course, that uses it now is 258 00:19:12.640 --> 00:19:17.319 an architect that I admire very much and that is very, very good architect, 259 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:21.359 but well, we' re not going to balconea it, but yes, 260 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:23.599 I mean, they were right. When the renders arrived, there was 261 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:29.400 just like me, when I got along, I was just as early as 262 00:19:29.480 --> 00:19:34.559 the render era and yes, there were a lot of offices that still didn 263 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:38.279 ' t make them and they had their renderers on the outside and they were 264 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:41.720 starting to have them. And now, for there is already the illustration and 265 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:45.359 even the rendering more than solid and to everyone it already does. And I 266 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:48.839 think the offices, I think absolutely all, as well as the architect, 267 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:52.640 that we won' t mention, adapted it, that is, I interested 268 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:56.440 him to avoid that horita like playing exactly when he came to play. It 269 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:59.960 was the same thing. Give the jump, the pull back to the exact 270 00:19:59.960 --> 00:20:02.960 machine. It was the same thing. I mean, I think that the 271 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:08.079 evolution of technology goes a lot hand in hand and not to see it as 272 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.480 a problem, but to adapt the opportunity, an area of opportunity exactly. 273 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:17.880 I' m very pleased. Hey, you mentioned a subject that really fascinates 274 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:21.720 me. I, as an architect, do implement it in my office, 275 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.559 but I would like someone like you to tell me how important your office is 276 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:32.359 for you or for you, as an architect, to enter architectural contests. 277 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:37.200 Of course it' s a very good question, because look, we had 278 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:41.240 a wave of time where I took everything that came in. Everything that came 279 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:47.519 in, I grabbed very well. Right now, I learned after ten years 280 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:56.319 to be more selective and mainly with the intention of re- entering competition calls. 281 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.640 Then I come from a window of time where we stopped cor there was 282 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.400 one over here, one over there. At first we were more constant in 283 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:07.920 the contests and thank God we had, that is, we had results. 284 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:17.480 We had, like, three or four project contest results. You want me 285 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.119 to tell you about them. Sure, of course, well. The first 286 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:23.319 was Arquine, which I have, obviously, a very large sentimental value, 287 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:29.960 because the office was my computer, me and Ola, and we started talking 288 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:34.880 back then you had to do a rethinking of the housing project of German Miguel, 289 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:41.920 Mario Pani Occupy and obviously we said the first thing we have to understand 290 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.880 is that it has to be preserved, it can not be ground and we 291 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:48.400 have to give it an added value. So we started to investigate some hydroponic 292 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:55.559 systems in Cuba and it was a very attractive creative process, very rich. 293 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.519 And we took second place. All right, what other contests we have. 294 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:07.279 Jesus on the Mount invited us a developer by invitation. We propel against Pascal 295 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:15.839 architects, we take against three renowned architects and we win a project that we 296 00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:19.680 develop the whole complete project. Now, right now, we' re enrolling 297 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:26.200 in the contest. Right now, which mother. So I' m already 298 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:30.519 leaving a window of my time so I can attend contest and not grab everything 299 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:34.279 that comes in. I' m changing that habit in my office right now. 300 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:38.440 All right. So, if you feel that it is a very important 301 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:42.880 exercise for an architect in tar this type of contests. No doubt in what 302 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:47.759 has enriched you, in research, in relapsing, in how it has helped 303 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:53.039 you in your office. The first thing is that you enjoy it. If 304 00:22:53.160 --> 00:23:00.720 I don' t think there are some projects that stop us from sticking to 305 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:06.279 the money and then end up being the best projects where the money isn' 306 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:07.720 t by means they end up being the new projects. Also an important issue 307 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:14.440 is that it is an opportunity to test yourself. Sure, then, you 308 00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:17.960 participate I didn' t win, I don' t know what honorable mention, 309 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:21.279 that I did right, that I did right, that I did wrong, 310 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:22.559 those who won, that made that I could have done better. Then, 311 00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:26.200 instead of doubt, an opportunity to test yourself and to compete exactly. 312 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:32.200 I feel like it' s a great exercise. Unfortunately, I' m 313 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:36.400 telling you very honestly. At the beginning of dir Ryan we got lots of 314 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:37.880 calls and we published them all the time, especially in the summer. They 315 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:44.039 received many calls from all sides of architecture and design. And now, unfortunately, 316 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:47.839 for the past three years I have come well a considerable decrease that there 317 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.799 are not so many, no, but they already do. Right, no 318 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:53.880 doubt, well you saw Arkin, Ahorita had an excellent answer. Yeah, 319 00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:57.319 sure. Yes, it also goes hand in hand with these changes that we 320 00:23:57.359 --> 00:24:00.680 talked about, which has a lot to do with visualization and creative process. 321 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:07.440 Yeah, I want to think that it was because of the pandemic this low 322 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:11.279 of contests, but yes. I hope that I agree with your word that 323 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:14.160 there is a rise in contests, because yes, being something that is a 324 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:18.759 very important exercise. Yeah, one thing I' ve noticed is that there 325 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.839 are a lot of contests that have no cost. Right now, we signed 326 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.319 up for a contest in Helsinki that has no cost, which is for the 327 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:30.839 Museum of Contemporary Art, not Jorge so of Architecture, Museum of Architecture on 328 00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:37.279 a site Enjercinki Beautiful, which had the challenge that you had that some member 329 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:42.000 of the team has to have passport of the European Union and mastery or of 330 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:45.640 the European Union or of the United States, and we managed to get someone 331 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.799 who, thank God is my wife. Ah very well, and the contest 332 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:52.559 does not have a registration fee. Also what we have noticed is that ten 333 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:57.799 years ago to do a contest involved the best and to hire a model that 334 00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:03.079 took a cost to hire some renders that took time and cost half right now. 335 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:10.319 I think you can win a contest by being very creative without wasting any 336 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:15.200 weight. Yes, there are many tools available to express yourself creatively and you 337 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:21.480 don' t have to put much on your side. So, that' 338 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:25.680 s why you don' t give them that time to participate and it doesn 339 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:27.160 ' t involve an additional expense. Of course, yes, exactly, only 340 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:30.440 the disposition of your time and want to do it exactly. Wow, that 341 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.279 ' s amazing and, well, all the luck in the world for this 342 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:36.279 contest. That' s good. It' s good that your wife I 343 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:37.960 ' m going to tell you,' cause I know the way in, 344 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:40.880 too. Yeah, yeah, wow, what a father hears, who are 345 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:47.160 your five favorite architects or designers or who have a lot of eyes on you 346 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:52.720 Now three would have David Hepperfield and I admire him very much while I was 347 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:57.039 in Japan right now, I had the chance to bless going to Japan and 348 00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.240 I saw a lot of his work. Very much so that he has. 349 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.880 I believe that he is the architect who has reached the climax of what you 350 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.799 can do in this profession, for the amount of opportunities they gave him and 351 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:11.680 the number of places they offered him to work. Then, of course I 352 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:17.440 have him up to the top, for having visited his work a lot and 353 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:22.920 seeing what he has achieved and peter Suntor who is a Swiss architect, very 354 00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:27.400 artistic, very emotional, who I admire a lot Mexican, I admire very 355 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:32.400 much Manuel Cervantes. He is a very good architect, he has an extraordinary 356 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.240 trajectory. Yeah, and I couldn' t tell you another Mexican. I 357 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:42.559 feel that Mexico has an admirable, intimidating level of architecture and has quite a 358 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:48.079 proposal. Then I could name you thirty architects, I mean, not one, 359 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:52.480 but it would be those three. Manuel, Manuel, I think you 360 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.799 have a very interesting proposal. Yes, I think it has stood out very 361 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:03.039 well, Manuel Cervantes. We' ll have him here very soon, here 362 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:04.519 on the radio, for our count. Yeah, sure, but yeah, 363 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:11.359 surprisingly, well, not surprisingly. Yes, it has been a gradual change 364 00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:17.279 in Mexican architecture, where already more than one stands out and so yes, 365 00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:19.039 that is not to say more than thirty. If I could tell you, 366 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:23.160 they' re doing it incredibly. No problem putting Mexico in the magnifying glass. 367 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.559 All right, very well, won and the truth is, well, 368 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.960 there' s a lot of talent, especially how good he hears and what 369 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:33.920 you' d say to him. I loved having you here on die radio 370 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.000 and I hope it doesn' t mean, it' s not the last 371 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:41.720 time you keep telling me that it' s still a clear bitana workshop and 372 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:45.920 how the implementation of artificial intelligence continues in your office, etcetera, that it 373 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.559 comes to you, no yes, I publish news Lette States yes, I 374 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.000 don' t know what comes to you. Tujets come to us and we 375 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:56.440 love to read the truth on the radio if it gets to us in the 376 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:00.279 mail, because if that is, as well as our newspaper of the day 377 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.359 you know, then the truth is that yes. I loved having you here 378 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:04.720 for the first time in radios, but it' s not the last time 379 00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:10.400 you' ll keep telling us what your workshop is doing and I' d 380 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.920 like to finish this great conversation with you. What would you say to the 381 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:17.880 architects that, just as you' re throwing yourself at the wheel of making 382 00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:19.359 your own office or that you' re already starting. What would you say 383 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:23.440 to them clearly look at the first thing they have. They have to answer 384 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:30.279 a question, being honest and without lying to themselves that the question they have 385 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:37.799 to ask is whether they are willing to sacrifice everything, because the architect who 386 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:44.359 wants to start a company, wants to start as an architect and is not 387 00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.039 willing to sacrifice his hundred percent. It will not prevail, not prevail. 388 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:52.920 It' s a very competitive industry. There is a very high level of 389 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.160 proposal. So I' d tell the students what to say if they tell 390 00:28:56.240 --> 00:29:02.839 you what I' m saying and you' re saying," Hey, 391 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.920 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 392 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:10.160 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 393 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:10.160 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 394 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:10.160 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 395 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:10.160 hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, 396 00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:14.200 hey, hey. And what you are looking for is to be part 397 00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:18.920 of some architectural office, some architectural workshop or look for some form of collaborator. 398 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.519 But that' s what I said very well to me, so thank 399 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.720 you so much for being here. Conss thank you. Espudo has also liked 400 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.799 field work. Yes, for me to be less visited here all of a 401 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.759 sudden in the Shorro, and then how wonderful to have you. Really. 402 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:38.319 Thanks to Jorge de inclementh tayer because we brought David here and not to be 403 00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.160 the last, please Jorge, I didn' t bring him to you anymore. 404 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.359 I want to get her and we' ll have a drink tomorrow. 405 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:45.759 Oh, no, that' s right, of course it is. That 406 00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:49.279 ' s already signed and they' ll hear it tomorrow. What a cost 407 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.359 that we did throw ourselves the dragon tomorrow and that with photo and everything, 408 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.000 with photo and everything, please, but yes. Thank you so much, 409 00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:59.000 David, for being here with us and for not being the last time thanks 410 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:00.960 to the audience for listening to this new season of Irrradio. The other chapters 411 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:06.920 are not lost. We are already in the middle of the season and we 412 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.440 are already a few more guests to finish this season and we will see until 413 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.559 the fall that is not that long. Neither, and then remember that you 414 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.480 can listen to us on all music streams. We' re in Google, 415 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:25.039 Podcast, in Spotify, Amazon, deeazer Ihart, in everyone else. They 416 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:26.480 can find us. So there' s no fault. I say goodbye, 417 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.119 I' m kan Ramirez and thank you very much davitada, even later. 418 00:30:30.240 --> 00:30:32.079 Bye. Bye. Well,