Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. I am Martin willis your host.
And wow, look behind me, it's I was wondering what it was.
It looks like a UFO in the skyline, but it's actually the sunshine
coming in through the window. For those of you in YouTube, I am
not going to be abducted as far as I know, so welcome to the
show. And tonight we have two guests. The first guest is Irene Previn
and she is in Australia. It's a Wednesday morning there and yesterday in Australia,
which is the date today, April six, is the fifty fifth anniversary
of Westall, so she's going to be talking about that for about the first
twenty minutes or so. We'll take a quick not even a less than a
minute break and bring in Stan Gordon for the remainder of the show. And
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up every week, along with a weekly blogs that are up there. And
just a couple of days after April first, Charles Leeer sent this wonderful blog
to us and check it out. It's called April fools Day's Joke UFO.
Let me do the title that over again, UFO April fools Day Jokes,
and there are some really good examples of some jokes and and like like a
lot of lure in the UFO world, a lot of people are taking things
seriously after years go by. There's a great image of these people that in
Brazil that I think it was Brazil, but um no, anyway, that's
where it was published. But it's was called the Silverman and Isaac Coy and
they have this little like small tiny alien they're holding hands with and it was
a it was an April Fool's hoax which ended up several years later people finding
the old photograph and saying, oh, it's got to be real, and
so a lot of people were believing it as real. This has happened many
times in the UFO world unfortunately. Um So, you got to check your
sources always. And so his story is on April Fools. Um So,
I hope someday that one of my shows will land on April fools and I'm
going to have it. I shouldn't mourn you now, but I'll probably have
to do something about that. That should be fun, I hope. Anyway.
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Bill over there. We cannot take calls unfortunately tonight because Stan Gordon is the
old fashioned type phone guy, so we'll be on the line with him.
And so that's it. I'm going to bring in Irene from Australia. Welcome
to the show. Irene, good morning, how are you? Good morning?
It is morning for you, brighton early, even before breakfast. That's
right. Yeah, it's always good to know to talk to you. That
we made it to another day, we made it into the future. So
tell us what for the person. There's a lot of people that are new
listening to the show, and yeah, i'd see ninety percent of them out
there know all about Westall, but this is the fifty fifth anniversary. Can
you do like a say hello? Everyone? Do like a nutshell? Okay,
hello, everyone, thank you for having me on the show. Yeah.
The west Or incident happened on the sixth of April nineteen sixty six.
Basically, the UFO was first seen by some school kids I think, gazing
out the window, just waiting before recess time, which is about twenty two
quarter to eleven here in Australia, so we'll have a morning recess at school
and then lunchtime. So from what I understand, there were a couple of
couple of things happened. Kids were on the school level playing sport and there
were kids in the science class that spotted it and ran to the window because
somebody yelled out, looked, there's a UFO. So the teacher, the
science teacher lost droll of the class at that point while the kids ran to
the window and looked looked at what was hovering outside. So I was hovering
quite close. The school has an oval and some power grid, a power
grid, and it was hovering just above the power grid. But actually other
people saw as they observed it, they saw three there were report of at
least three that were seeing and as the kids were watching, some light planes
came in and the UFOs were playing cat and mouse with these light planes so
interesting. I think maybe Martin, if you could show I've actually created some
images. I'm an artist and graphic designer, and I've created some images to
illustrate this. The first one people that saw the children that saw the UFO,
and most of them were high school aged children, so they were aged
between twelve and seventeen. A lot of kids were playing sport and so they
were outdoors and they just looked out and saw this thing hovering near the power
grid. And it's reported as a silvery sourcer shaped object. When I showed
this where I actually spoke to Colin Kelly about it. He was one of
the kids playing cricket on the oval at the time and he described the shape
of the object to me, and I pulled out the image captured over Costa
Rica in nineteen seventy one. I think it was a National Geographic Survey aerial
survey and a very clear photograph of a UFO was captured. Then I showed
the image to Colin and he said, yes, it was very similar.
So I based my construe construction on that UFO. The uf I've created it
in a mechanical engineer drafting program, so actually, eventually I can make a
three D model of it, and even probably fabricated in metal, which will
be pretty exciting. So the next image, if you could caught that up
please Okay. So the ure foes vanished that they sort of headed off in
a direction, and the kids went screaming after them. But meanwhile, over
near the grange, which is a reserve a little park, there was adjacent
to a market garden where a young fellow was pulling up carrots with his boss.
He was working at the market garden and he pulled as he was pulling
up carrots, he said, he sort of lifted his head up and he
saw this object hovering and he looked at it, thought what the hell is
that? Is somebody playing a practical joke. And as he observed it,
it changed from being a solid silver object and cycling through various colors, and
then it drifted through the trees. And I asked him, what do you
mean did it drift through the trees? I mean the tree is it quite
close together? How could it object that size move in between them? And
he said no, it drifted through the trees like smoke. So it became
ghost like or transparent, and it went through the trees. And so this
is what I've tried to recreate with the object looking a little transparent in this
artwork. Here that you were seeing is the object depicted here? Is it
forward of the trees? In other words, are the trees between the object
and the I sight and we're seeing transparent through it? Transparent? It was
transparent, which is really strange. Yeah, it's really strange, like it
had structure yet it was transparent. It had structure and then it became transparent.
So when he first saw it, it was in a different position and
then it moved, so it was it was solid, and then he said
it was like a TV losing transmission. So it was sort of like you
know when the trev sort of the picture sort of quality starts to flash or
lose transmission. He said, it's sort of cycled through these colors and became
transparent and moved through the tree. So I'm very excited to be meeting everybody
on Saturday, along with journalists Ross Coulthard who will be interviewing the witnesses.
And there's one more image I'd like to show you, Martin. So this
image once again showing well, it's interesting because These are the sketches that I
got the witnesses to draw for James Fox when he was filming the phenomenon.
So I've taken all the sketches. They were torn out from pages of my
sketchbook. I just tore out pages and gave it to the witnesses and they'd
scribble what they saw. I asked them to draw as best as they could
remember. But it's interesting because you can see all the different shapes. So
I put them together in this collage and you can see all the different shapes
that people remember. So it'll be interesting to see when I show these final
artworks to the witnesses on satur Day, to see what you know, how
many people think that it's close to what they saw. So some of the
witnesses saying, oh, I'm not really good at drawing, but I'll do
my best. But so, yeah, you can seem to see the variety
of what was remembered after fifty five years. But still I guess basically the
same shape, isn't it. Oh yeah, a lot of it is.
Now let me ask this because I know as far as like the Area school
incident, the I think believe it was one teacher had the foresight to have
all the kids draw what they saw, which I think was wonderful. Do
you happen to know if people made any contemporary records of what they saw,
Well, they were told to forget about it. They were told that they
were The military did come and go over the site because crop circles were marks
were left on the ground, and they were seen to go over them and
then remove them by witnesses. But then also the military representatives came to the
headmaster and had a word with him, and he the children said, or
the grown ups now they remember having school assembly and the the headmaster telling them
not to talk about it, that they you know, we're not we're not
supposed to express it or talk about it with each other. The media actually
came at the time, and they were not They were actually forbidden to talk
to the media as well. So it's highly unlikely that they would have been
encouraged to draw anything, or it was very very much suppressed in nineteen sixty
six. It's quite different too in the nineties. I think things that opened
up a little bit as far as people was open mindedness about this topic,
I think, But in sixty six, middle of the cold war. Yeah,
I was not talked about at all. It was an environment of FIA
basically right now. I know. I know that in speaking to a few
of the witnesses at the aerial school, and I just loaded a tape we're
going to play on the top of the hour on the break of one of
the witnesses that they or one of them I spoke to, said she had
never heard you know, she was I forget exactly whole eight or nine years
old, but in South Africa where they were and everything, she had just
and no TV. She had just never heard of a flying soft or UFO
or anything like that. So it was like, what the heck. She
had no idea what she was seeing. And the beings that came out,
she had no idea what they were, skin like porcelain and all these strange
things. But yeah, and it does. It does kind of blows your
mind when you hear these stories. But one of the things that people say
a lot to me is, you know, why do you rehash all these
old cases? But there is the general responses a lot of times when you're
rehashing these old cases, more information actually comes out. Somehow it seems to
happen. Do you find that happening with this. So it's very exciting that
Shane Ryan is perpetually on this. He's the main investigator on this and Ross
Culture who's a sixty minutes guy here, he's synonymous with sixty minutes here.
He's a very prominent mainstream journalist. He's teamed up with Shane Ryan and they've
been u searching for more information together. Now Ross is launching a book that
is published by HarperCollins, which is a very conservative I don't know, it's
an international publishing house. The CEO of HarperCollins happens to be the brother of
Eddie Redmain. Charlie Redmain is his name, who is apparently very pro and
very interested in UFOs. And when Ross made his pitch to HarperCollins about writing
this book, Charlie happened to be there in Sydney at the time, and
he thinks that he wouldn't have got it across the line to have it published
in the mainstream if it wasn't for Charlie Redmain's interest in UFOs. Now,
Ross covered the Randelsham Forest story back in two thousand and eight for sixty Minutes.
He's yeah, it's quite exciting that a very accomplished and respected mainstream Australian
journalist is interested in this case and interested in the wider UFO picture and will
be He's in the process of interviewing and making a documentary for television and we'll
be there on Saturday talking to the witnesses. So we are very excited about
what he will uncover because he is a guy that goes into things very deeply
and is very resourceful and able to uncover things that other people are not able
to get to. So yeah, that's great. So hopefully we'll have him
on the show. That would be nice to have that, That would be
good. Yeah, I'd be very excited to see him on the show.
So perhaps later in the year once the book is launched. And there's the
cover of the book that will be launched, and you said that was in
September or sometime like that, right, it's July August? Probably? Yeah?
Probably. Yeah. If you go on Amazon or HarperCollins, you will
see it and it will say I'm pretty sure it says July there. So
this one question, I know I probably asked you this before, but I
do know that I have a really big audience in Australia per capita compared to
the US or any other place. You have like something like twenty six million
people and it's one of the top listening countries to lower Australians. And why
why would you suppose is it just not taboo there or why do you suppose
some very taboo? It's very that's why they're watching. Maybe that's why they're
listening. It's taboo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I think even
especially under people over fifty five sixty, you will mention the UFO or you,
if you're associated with UFO, you're seen as a nutcase. People under
under the age group don't see it that way. But uh yeah, I
think the witnesses they suffered their whole lives and we're told that they were delusional
and hallucinated, and these people are not that at all. I've met them.
They're really, really straight people, really honest people. And what about
the other things that people consider paranormal? I don't. I don't really consider
um, you know, UFO is paranormal myself because they're so you know,
often seen, and they are something and there's so much evidence that something is
going on. But what about the other paranormal I mean, do you have
the YETI there the big Foot or I mean anything like what we do.
It's not something that I know much about. Yeah, but I mean as
I talked about in Australia or is it the taboo thing as well as UFOs
everything. It's very fringe, very very fringe. Yeah. There is a
version of the big Foot, yeah, that I think is prevalent in forest
areas, such as where stories come out from areas adjacent to big forest,
like in the Sydney area around the Blue Mountains. It is very very thick
forest and people have reported encounters or incidents with what we call in Australia the
yaowie. The indigenous people have their own various names depending on which language group
they belong to. But that's not an area that I can really talk about,
because, like you, paranormal is interesting, but not anything much that
I've delved into as much as I've delved into westall. Yeah. Yeah,
Now, I think a lot of times I think of Australia's all coastal are
mostly coastal occupied, and then you have the outpack. You have like just
miles and miles of not much, right, But I believe we talked about
there are some in that area. There's there are some UFO encounters, a
lot of them. Yes. Well, the state that I come from,
that I was born in, South Australia is very sparsely populated. There is
the Womera Test Rocket Range used to be a test rocket range, but I
believe that satellites are now being launched from that space spot, that it's a
space organization that is known in Australia. There's a very big no fly zone
that the military have got in South Australia. I think about the third of
the state is you can't get into it. Firstly because of the Marlinga atomic
testing. So a lot of the radio that a lot of the area in
the desert is very radioactive because of the British atomic testing. So that's one
reason. And the other reason is who knows what's going on and what's being
tested. It's sort of like an area fifty one of Australia. So yeah,
people who go into the outbat and around Womera and that sort of area
do report seeing strange things. Also, there's a guy called Damian Knot who
who lives in far North Queensland. I think in the out back there and
he has got a lot of photographs and a lot of m has had a
lot of experiences. He would be an interesting guest for you, actually if
you like Jamie not Yeah. So he don't forget that name. I'll have
to sorry, I said, don't forget that name. I'll have to ask.
So he apparently is collecting a lot of data. U. Yeah.
So, but if you'd like to see more or more closely, we'll have
to get a copy of the images I've created, please go to my website
Iremprevin dot com. All right, we will put that in the show notes
along with these images. Irene, thank you so much for getting up extra
early for me. Pleasure. Lovely to see you again. You about always
all right? Take care sure bye? All right everyone, Now we have
our guests coming on from Pennsylvania and Dan Gordon. Welcome to the show.
Stan, Thanks Martin, thanks for having me back on the program. Yeah,
I know you. I'm trying. I was trying to figure out how
many times you've been on stand but a number of times in the beginning.
So the show is coming up on ten years now, you've probably been on
This is probably your tenth time. So and uh, I remember when I
was doing the Everything Else show, we talked about other topics and other than
UFOs. It was very interesting, and I think you and I have basically
worn out the Kecksburg story, I believe, don't you think at this time?
Ah? Yep, there is so much other activity going on, including
a recent wave of activity here in Pennsylvania. But yes, I received reports
year after year all year round, and there's always continuous UFO reports. So
there's a lot of amazing cases going on out there. Wow. Yeah,
So let's let's talk about what's what's going on. First of all, for
the person who has missed you, Like I mentioned Irene when I first brought
her on, and I say it a lot because it's true. I get
emails from new listeners all the time. They're just starting to look into the
UFO topics. So can you give them a quick nutshell in your background please?
Okay? Well, I started this when I was ten years old back
in nineteen fifty nine as a young, interested, young fellow who just happened
to be listening to a radio show that was talking around Halloween about unusual occurrencies.
They were talking about hauntings and flying saucers and strange happenings, and I
went to the library started reading about the subjects. That's how I got involved.
I was sixteen years old nineteen sixty five when the textbook UFOs and it
happened about twelve miles from where I live. I started documenting that case from
the time it happened during that evening and I've been involved in that case ever
since. In the late nineteen sixties, I got involved with a group called
the UFO Research Institute of Pittsburgh. I was the youngster in the group,
as I recall, that's where Stanton Friedman started with a small group of professionals.
He was working at Westinghouse at the time, and they had a UFO
group they started, and even though I was young, I always had a
lot of experience in interviewing witnesses. So I became the telephone side and coordinator.
So when a call would come in, I would get to obtaining the
information and interview the witness and determined if the case warranted further investigation. And
I stayed with them, so they shut down their group in nineteen sixty nine.
I set up a hotline for the public to report UFO sidings and it's
been active ever since, and it's still busy through today. And in nineteen
seventy at time the first of three volunteer research groups. The first one was
called the Westmore County UFO Study Group. It started here in Greensburg, PA,
and we moved to the Pittsburgh Aream. By nineteen seventy three, I
had a setup that we respond the cases across the state. The group was
kind of unique and that the majority of people involved were specialists. We had
scientists, engineers, technicians, jee's pilots and police officers and former military people
and all kind of specialists who volunteered investigative reports around our regular jobs day and
night. And by nineteen seventy three we were very very busy and two hours
surprised. We were getting a lot of referrals from the news media, the
state police, another agencias and so we were very very busy. And that
led up to nineteen seventy three when we had that massive UFO and even bigfoot
wave here that I'm sure you may want to talk about, yes, right.
One of the things I mentioned in the text in this show is and
I have heard You're not the first one to bring this up, but I
have heard of the big I'm sorry, I shouldn't be laughing. I shouldn't
not be laughing, But the big Foot in UFO connection, it just seems
so wow. I guess that's why I'm laughing. And I do remember someone
on this show years ago mentioned that there was not only a case that involved
bigfoot in a UFO, but there was a woman who claimed that she saw
this big orb come down in some field or something like that, and out
of it came a big foot. So but I just think we're talking about
two very elusive things that we have no physical evidence of, and you know,
it's just one of these bizarre things. But tell me what you have
uncovered and discovered when it comes to the connection between the two. Well,
it's a very long story. It's becoming more and more prevalent, not only
in Pennsylvania but throughout the country. I started writing about this back in the
nineteen seventies, and I was in touch with people throughout the country and around
the world back then and ever since, and many many people, both the
UFO community and a big Foot community have kept this very low key because of
what you're just discussing. The UFO people didn't want to associate UFOs a bigfoot
and vice versa, and that was to me. I mean, as an
investigator, I don't have any I don't know what the answers are to the
phenomena. I was now looking for these type of things. So let's go
back to nineteen seventy three when this all started. This all started, actually,
this massive UFO wave started January first, seventy three continued to the last
day of the year. And you got to remember, nineteen seventy three,
there's no internet, there's no cell phones, but the local news media,
the newspapers around here and across the state, and then something nationally began to
pick up a lot of these reports and Pennsylvania and art investigations, and then
in the fall of seventy three had the massive UFO outbreak. It really hit
the newspapers across the country. But it was busy all year in Pennsylvania.
We had hundreds and hundreds of UFO reports coming in. So we're not talking
about the cases that we could identify. There were many misidentifications. As a
star today, we had satellites or we entry a space debris, meteors,
lights on aircraft, balloons, all kinds of things. You could identify,
but there are many many cases we could not, and many of those sightings
as they continue today, but you don't hear much about the news. But
many of those sightings of seventy three were large structured objects seen very low to
the ground. We had them hovering over highways, pacing cars. We had
incidents on the pennsylvating the Turnpike, there were landing reports. I mean,
it was just an amazing time to go through. And my teams are out
there day and night investigating these cases and many, many multitudes of credible witnesses
from all type of backgrounds. So we were busy just investigating all these UFO
reports. And then in the summer of seventy three we had the largest outbreak
of bigfoot sightings ever documented, and that went on too early seventy four.
In fact, there have been bigfoot sightings document in Pennsylvania every year since then.
And many of those Bigfoot reports it's not like you see on television.
Many of those cases we had were very close range observations. Some of them
were in daylight. Sometimes we had more than one creature scene together, and
in many cases my teams would get out to these incidents and there would be
physical evidence at the scene. We made many casts of footprints, for example,
And I was not looking for these type of reports. I mean when
I knew about Bigfoot back in the days. I started investigating back in the
sixties. From when I knew about Bigfoot, and there have any history in
Pennsylvania, around the country, and around the world. They were likely some
type of unknown primate. That's what I thought. Well, I had no
idea what was about to unfold. So once again you're gonna remember a lot
of these reports come in from widespread areas to people had no Facebook in those
days or Internet. They had no way to know other people reporting. Many
of them recalls were initially coming into the police departments. These people had no
reason to make up the story, and some very odd things began to come
to our attention. One of the first things we've noticed was when our teams
would get out to some of these locations were big would have been seen.
They'll betrols the footprints under different ground conditions, including fresh snow, and they
were far for a disc and then it was suddenly stopped and vanished and disappear,
and there was no way in the conditions they were found that could have
been fabricated, and then it got stranger and stranger. We interviewed witnesses who
in daylight we're seeing these large, tall, hair covered creatures. They see
him standing in a particular location at instantaneously these creatures physically vanished and reappeared a
short distance away, And then it got stranger and stranger. We began to
see a pattern. We'd have a UFO sighting in a certain area with a
menaced hours of days later you have a big foot sighting, or vice versa,
and then things began to show up. Case began to show up where
we had a big foot and UFO seen together at the same time and place.
One of those cases occurred north of Pittsburgh in September of seventy three,
when two people were outside up in the country lading for a friend to pick
them up. They see the seven eighth foot tall, hairy bigfoot creature with
white hair, which you don't here about that often, but it's still being
reported. And they're strange enough to see this large hairy creature running across the
road, but in one of his hand is carrying a glowing ball of light,
and a short time later that I've just comes across the sky and projects
a beam of light down until the woods where a creature ran into. Well,
I've got much more interesting when more cases coming in, and probably the
most significant, one of the most significant cases occurred up in Fayette County,
which I'm sure you talk about. The Fayette County area here in southwest Pa
continues to be when the most active area is probably in a country year after
year for UFOs and bigfoot and crypton encounters, especially along the Chestnut Ridge.
But this case, it's a very detailed case, and I can give me
just a short synopsis of it. October twenty fifth, nineteen seventy three.
There are numerous UFO reports coming out of my heartline from around the state.
It was about ken thirty that night I got a call from a state trooper
from Untontown Barracks. He had just come back from investigating this incident and he
said he believed it was possible there was something stop in the pasture. He
wanted me to go one of my teams up there as soon as possible,
which we did was late that night. We've got our radiation equipment, our
cameras, and our equipment together and headed up and found our way up to
rural Fayette County, and what we found out was that about fifteen people that
evening nine o'clock or so that evening they observed a barn sized red sphere about
one hundred feet off the ground, slowly moving downward and the farmer's sign it
was on his dad's property. He was riding down the farmer to come up
and visit his family and he sees this thing in the sky and other people
staying outside watching this thing. It looks like it's coming down. He goes
to a higher location get a better look at this thing, and it looks
like it's actually landing on his dad's pasture. So there were two young boys
and he decided they were going to go up and see what this thing was.
He stopped over his dad's farm, grabbed the thirty odd six a handful
of ammunition. He didn't know at the time, but hadn't that handful of
him or there were two tracers, so for the fells out there at the
hunt when they fire them, and they just got luminous trail, and he
has they're riding down the farm road, the dogs around the air going crazy.
He had this high pitched whining noise and these loud baby crying sounds,
and they're getting louder and louder to get closer towards the pasture. As they
parked their vehicle, they angled their truck up with the lights on. They
get a little pathway to come up, and they noticed looked like something is
draining the power from their headlights. They had never noticed before. They find
their way up to the top of the pasture. It's about two hundred and
fifty feet away. This object is now on the ground or right above it,
but now it looks like there's about a hundred feet in diameter. It's
like a big white dome. It's like a half a sphere. It's making
this loud, whining sound and as illuminating the whole area. And they just
stand. They cannot believe what they're seeing, and they're watching this thing,
and then their attention is drawn. It's about seventy five feet away to a
barbed wire fence. Along that fence that these two tall hair covered creatures of
one or fronts about eight feet tall. The other was about seventy feet tall,
long dark hair hanging off the body, no neck. The arms are
so long and hanging down past the knees almost to the ground. They have
a luminous, glowing green eyes and making the baby crying sounds. Well.
The one young boy so frightened he ran out of the field. The other
one starts yelling at him to start shooting at him, shoot at them,
and he fires his first shot, which is a tracer. Nothing happened.
He fires the second tracer, and when he does, the largest of the
two creatures reaches out his right hand as to grab that tracer, makes us
loud crying whining sound, and the exact moment it does that, that large
object in the field vanishes and disappears. It doesn't take up it just physically
is gone. Mostly loom Nation has gone. The sound stops, The creatures
turnarounds, are walking along the fence line back towards the woods. The fall
task point is using live ammo with his thirty odds six, firing right into
him with no effect on it whatsoever, and they run back to the truck.
They go to the home. They tell a family what happened. They
take him to a neighbors that called the state police. The short part of
the story is the trooper rise about forty five minutes later, he goes up
into the field and what he told me was that the whole area where the
object was on the ground was self luminescent and glowing, but one hundred feet
or more in diameter. He said the farm animals wouldn't go near it.
He said if he had a flashlight. Rather, he said if he had
a newspaper. He believed he could have read the newspaper in the light coming
off the globe. And anyhow, again a shorter part of the stories.
They went back to the barracks. Both the trooper and the witness was separately
interviewed. Then they called me to send up my team, and then things
got much more interesting during the night. We don't have time to even get
into. That was the case that was very well done, documented, investigated.
That was the case that made us realize my team and I, but
we're dealing with something as much stranger and the case has got much more unusual.
And if you want me hear the one case is very very strange and
shows you the UFO and Bigfoot connection and something much stranger. I'll be glad
to tell you about that one. Yeah, let's hear. This is really
fascinating yeah, I'd like to hear that. But before we move on,
though, can you explain the team that you mentioned. Are these like all
volunteers that you have found over the years that helped research take this serious enough
to volunteer their time or is that what it is? Oh? Yeah,
well again that it was many years ago. I've been we're searching as independent
researcher since November of ninety three. But during the seventies and eighties and much
of the nineties, we had we had various research groups going and we were
very active. I mean, we had training meetings almost every month, we
were out in the field constantly investigating reports. And a lot of these guys,
I mean are a perfecional scientific people, and I learned a lot from
these fellows how they operated, and men and women both. I mean we
had businesses, chemists, geologists, you know, pilots, all kinds of
specialists involved doing this research. And the group became very well known at the
time, and that's why we're getting so many reports in so but we all
had our regular full time jobs. Yeah, yeah, how about that?
Is that is great that you put that much effort into it. Nagis wants
to know have you ever had an experience, and I'm guessing like either a
bigfoot or a UFO experience. I don't know if we've ever talked about that,
Stan, have you had an experience of your own? And this will
surprise a lot of people. This will be sixty two years of research this
here. I have never seen a UFO or a bigfoot myself. Surprisingly,
I have seen a lot of interesting physical evans out investigating out in the field
over the years. I've been out since nineteen sixty five out in the field
doing investigations. I see it is a really interesting things. Over the years,
and interviewed multitudes of witnesses and investigated multitudes of amazing cases, some of
which we can talk about. But I have never had my own personal encounter.
You know that that's wonderful. I think that is perfectly fine if you
ask me. And I know I've brought this up on the podcast before,
but you know, there is another podcaster out there who was on my show
years ago in twenty thirteen, and he said, you know, he got
interested in UFOs because of a book they read by Stan Freeman, and now
he invented his childhood sighting talks about it all the time on TV shows and
everything else. So it's I think that people feel like they have to embellish
themselves to their past to make them more taken seriously in this or whatever.
And I really respect the fact that you say that you never had one,
but there's really something to it and you have a fascination with it, and
that's enough. So thank you for that anyway, because I you know,
I had my one experience. I had something else that happened, but I
still I guess that's what made me have a fascination as I had. You
know, something happened. It wasn't tremendous either, it was, you know,
after some of these sightings that I've heard over the years. It's kind
of boring. But anyway, I'm glad you do the work you do,
and that really is amazing. You said your phone line has been active since
did you say in nineteen sixty nine? As correct, and it's it's continues
to be busy, and it's been very busy in the last few weeks because
we've had this very interesting surge of activity throughout the Western PA and other parts
of the state. So I've been very busy the last week four came in
actually very early this morning from up in Cambria County, up in around the
Johnstown area. Can you can you talk a little bit about that or is
that something you can't discuss that. No, it's not a real close report.
But the witness of thought is very familiar with aircraft. He happened to
be walking his dog early in the morning and he said, this thing,
whatever it was, he said, he said, I know aircraft. This
was no normal aircraft. He said, if you took a dice and you
looked at the five dots on a dice, and he said, there was
those five dots. They were all white lights, non blinking, non flashing.
There was a red one behind it. It was less than a thousand
feet off the ground, he said, completely silent, moving quickly across the
sky. But he said it was very, very fascinating, whatever it might
be. And when we've been getting other reports up in that area after the
last few years. But some of the other reports, I mean, what's
been going on and witnesses or rather your listeners, they can get to my
website which is Stan Gordon dot info and they can read a report I have
on my website now about it. But just to go over what's been going
on. And I mean, the last few years have been quite busy,
but this serves is kind of interesting. It was kind of quiet during the
winter, which is normal, and it began to pick up. But it
seems like it was the end of February this year that things began to be
very and March has been very, very active. So in early March there
were three waight circular lights and a training look configuration reported from camby account Jeben
reports their Trainler shape objects from other locations, a daylight observation of a large
black rectangular object reported from Bedford County reports a large glowing spherical object. Some
was seeing at low level and close to homes, right objects moving strap to
the night sky and disappearing, signings of small spheres of light that are close
to the ground that are continuing to be reported, and residents some different location
reporting unusual luminous objects are being recorded on their game and security cameras. And
I've been in touch with other researchers as well. One album is Dan Hagman
up at the Butler Organization for Research. He got explained up in Butler County.
He said he been receiving multiple reports of steers all over Bubler County during
March, and some of the reports he got are very very interesting. One
in particular was March eleventh. Man was in his kitchen when he began to
throw a strange vibration and hurt a low rumble. Realized that the sliding glass
story to his deck was vibrating. He looked out the door and noticed a
very bright, very large, pulsating around object just above the trees at the
edge of the yard. The light from the object illuminated his backyard as it
was in the middle of the day. He stepped out on the deck and
was awestruck by what he saw. At that time, he found the tingling
sensation. His hair stood up an end, and he had chill bumps on
his body. He called to his wife and hurried inside to get a camera.
When he came back, it was gone. I mean, this is
just an example of some of the things that have been going on. Wow,
that is really amazing. Now, would you would you consider Pennsylvania?
I know that not Chestnut Ridge. What do you call what's the ridge called
there? Oh? Yeah, Chessnut Ridge is one of the most areas of
the country. I've been investigating saying that since the sixties, when I started
hearing about it. Year after you including this year already phenomena is going on.
It's one of the most active areas in the country for UFOs, bigfoot,
cryptis and other phenomena. And well, the Chestnut Ridge is not one
small little area. It runs through Westmoreland, Fayette and Indiana County and southwest
PA goes down to Preston County, West Virginia outside of Morgantown. But the
Westmoreland and Fayette County side are very active year after year, a lot of
very strange phenomenas going on, and it's just amazing. And many of those
sightings during that seventy three outbreak we start talking about, there was a lot
of focus on those areas where a lot of these cases were going on.
Well amazing. So what I'm gonna do, Stan, is I'm going to
pop up some questions that come in from the chat room and as we go
along, because we're not going to be able to take calls of phone calls
unfortunately because of the way we had to bring you in on the phone here,
And so what do you think of the Patterson film? What are your
thoughts on that. That's the California film. I think I can't remember what
you're in the sixties, right, that's correct, And yeah, of course
I've not been involved directly an investigation. I've read about it for years and
years. I've read different reports on it, and I've seen a lot of
videos and a lot of alleged pictures taken a big Foot and a lot of
them not real clear. But of all the of all the films and all
the data that I've seen, that's the one that still appears to be something
that can be considered janeuine, and from what I know about it, I
think that's probably very legitimate. There have been pictures taken around here in game
camps that miss people have never seen their private people haven't released them, who
had them. I think they're they're probably legit, but they don't show enough
the cameras. They only show a certain angle or section of what might be
a body with hair handing off. But I think there have been some problem
with said that pictures taken. They just are not very clear, right.
Yeah, I know that there's been so much analysis over the years, and
you can find a lot of things online. When it comes to that,
UM, and I'm going to pull up this is for the person that is
not familiar that's watching on YouTube. I'm going to try to make this happen.
I'm gonna pull this up for a screen share here. But it's they've
tried to, uh, you know, try to debunk it. It's been
a really tough one to debunk. Um. Let me just bring the whole
thing up here a second here. UM. And when when they when I
say they try to debunk it, they try to uh, you know,
they're checking the uh. Something is strange about this. I think this is
one that was worked on basically, um. But anyway, they tried to
to bunk it and they just can't. They haven't been able to, which
is pretty interesting because it doesn't meet the anatomy of how you would expect a
human and a costume could or anything like that. It just doesn't work right.
And let me I want to explain one thing what I've been talking about,
and we haven't really gotten any great detail yet. We could talk for
hours and hours about these cases, but I'm not suggesting that Bigfoot is a
passenger or a pilot of a spacecraft from a rather planet. That's not the
point we don't know what we're dealing with. Even with the UFO phenomena as
many theories, nobody knows for sure. I've learned a lot about you the
Bigfoot phenomena and the evidence more and more it's reluctant, as I am to
say it, but for lack of a better term. We might be dealing
with something which is interdimensional, and I'll give you a case for it here
in a minute. And we're dealing with a phenomena both with certain at least
some types of UFOs, and they put in some times I'm finding that have
a physical and a non physical component to them. They can come into our
reality at certain times. People see them. Sometimes it looks physically solid.
Sometimes they're not completely physically solved. They can leave evidence and then they're gone.
We're dealing with a phenomenon that's so beyond our present scientific understanding. I
don't think anybody understands, including the government. But if you like, I'd
like to tell you about this one case. That was the case. It
convinced me that we're dealing with something it's very unusual. Yeah, absolutely,
go right into it. Sure, this goes back to that massive wave in
seventy three, seventy four, and this again, it's way in the mountains
of Fayette County, Pennsylvania, February sixth, nineteen seventy four. I remember
the case very very well. I was up at the site earlier the next
morning, and the reason I couldn't get up there that night is because,
and some year listeners will remember this period of time, there was a big
national trucker strike. There was gas rashing around the country, so I couldn't
get gas to go up there. There was a violence on the highways across
the country. So in Pennsylvania, the National Guard and the State Police were
patrolling together. Some of those fellos from both units responded to this incident.
So what happened February six seventy four. This woman lived deep in the mountains
and a little cabin homes. She lived there in the country all her life.
She knew animals very well, was a very good shot. She's sitting
there as the normal that he didn't be watching television when she heard this noise
on a little front porch. She had some pop cans out there. Someone
was knocking the pop cans around. While a few weeks before there was a
pack of dogs while dogs that have come through the area, says she figured,
I bet the dogs are back, says she thought, you know what,
I'll just grab my shotgun and I'll shoot over their head and together as
dogs away. So she goes over and she had a sixteen gays double brell
shotgun. She loaded one chamber. She went over, turned on the switch
to turn on the outside porch. Sly she steps out, turns on the
switch and as she steps out, there's no dogs. At six feet away
in front of her, it's this huge at least seven foot tall, hairy,
gray hair covered bigfoot. And as soon as she turned the light and
I put his arms straight up over his head. What does she do?
She fires right into it with her shotgun. She said. There's this brilliant
burst of light, like a flash on a camera, and it physically disappears
right in front of her. Her in laws lived a hundred feet away.
They heard the gunshot. They called her, asked her what she was shooting.
Actually explained to him. Her son in law grabbed his pistol. There's
running down that dark road towards her cabin. He said he was sounded by
four or five hairy people with eyes like coals of fire, starting shooting at
him. Randomly runs into the home and it rose. Around that time,
there is this large object with numerous lights on it, like a big Chris's
ornament, hovering over the woods. At the same time, that's when they
called the state police. And I talked at a primary investigator and he said
by the time they found the place way up the mount everything was gone.
However, he said something very strange was going on up there. He said
two of the witnesses, he said, they were very very shook up.
They appeared to be telling the truth. They were very very upset over the
whole situation. But he said, what was so unusual with the animal reactions,
And this is very common UFO cases and also with many many bigfoot reports.
In many cases, even the most ferocious dogs, when they're closing these
creatures, there's just like paralyzed in fear. They will not bark, they
don't move, they shake, they cow or they hide. That's very common.
But he told me, he said when he got up there, there
wasn't a sound. They had several big dogs that they're none of them bark
or made a sound. So horses are acting unusual. The cats in the
house. There was a little baby and they're very very shook up. They
said that baby never cries like that ever before. And he said one of
the dogs was in a cage. I think it was an eskimos bits and
he said he went over and tried to pull that dog out of the case.
The dog wasn't barking or moving. Should have ripped his hands and arms
off and just crashed from my parable, and it didn't even move a barkow.
Now, when I got up there early next morning, we agreed to
by the dogs all barking loudly, and we found the bb pattern in the
tree out in the wood straighten lined from the porch where the woman shot at
it. That was the case among others that were similar. They began to
indicate it. We're dealing with something is but it's physical and non physical,
and these cases are continuing around the country and around the world. And we've
had numerous incidents in the last few years in Pennsylvania, which is just amazing.
And again you're beginning to hear more about this now. In the last
couple of years have been several very good new books from around the country where
other researchers are talking about these same type of cases things I read about in
the seventies, now that people were beginning to look at it much more.
You've heard about the skin Walker ranch. Well, a lot of these things
are very similar to skin Walker. And where a lot of people don't realize
is that there are places not only here in Pennsylvania. Just two I'm ongoing
right now. Then I'm aware I've involved with where has been a history of
ongoing phenomena where the phenomena seems to focus on a particular location, a particular
residence, a certain area. And you have UFOs, you have bigfoot,
you have cryptids, you have strange balls of light, you have paranormal phenomena,
and various people are observing these and experiencing this phenomena. And I can
tell you this one case. It's I've got involved with a month or so
ago, and it's fascinating where this has gone on a property up in northern
PA. And I know in recent weeks and I've seen some of they have
some very very good night vision and other camera and other videos of some of
these glowing balls are white and low in the woods. Wow, all fascinating
stuff. We have Brandon the owner of skin Walker and Travis Taylor as coming
up on May fifth. He's in the skin Walker ranch on the night or
their debut of this season premiere. They're coming up on May fourth. They're
going to be on the show to talk about that. It's pretty fascinating.
It's a little plug to get their show started, of course, but I
did I did want to throw that out there. And while while I'm talking
about that, we Lou Alexando. I mentioned I was coming up and people
have been asking me when that is, and that is going to be on
May eleventh. He's going to be on for a full show then, So
get your questions ready for Lou Alexondo when he comes on. So we are.
We are ready in just a second to go into break. But I
kind of wanted to set this up and I wanted to talk more about this
and just to follow up in the last story that you told in your thoughts
on this. Of course, we're all it's all just theories and thoughts anyway.
But I remember speaking with Paul Eno. He runs a show, a
paranormal you know UFO show on the radio, and I think it's in a
Rhode Island and he is his thoughts are exactly what you're talking about. He
thinks that it's definitely he thinks that along with UFOs or most UFOs have this
interdimensional type of situation snapping in and out of a reality, including ghosts,
which I think is quite quite a thought, you know when when people talk
about it, certainly would explain a lot of things. So anyway, we
are ready to go into the break and we'll be back with you. Stand
We're gonna take you out and we will be bringing you back in after this
about a four minute break. And how I'm setting this up, as I
put in here, I haven't even watched this. This is this is kind
of scary, but I'm putting up raw footage of when I interviewed Francis Cheramuda.
He was one of the Arial School witnesses. So I'm gonna be playing
that unedited. I'm going to cross my fingers at it. It things are
not in there that should have been added out. And it'll be just under
four minutes. So for those over you here over in YouTube, you're going
to get to watch that. And for those of you in KGr A radio,
we'll be right back right after these messages. You're a good looking guy.
You look great. I love your hair, man. Um. It's
it's it's kind of difficult now talking from a position because now that I've done
a regression that is the freshest memory of um sort of like the events that
I now have, because this kind of brought to light a few details that
I otherwise before it did not have, or details that might have disappeared within
the time of the event, and obviously us going through life and growing up,
but you know, details, small details like the lights and how now
I have a clear picture of their being. These spheres and these spears were
about my size, you know, the size of an adult human, right,
and these spheres were kind of rotating around the craft and an anti clockwise
motion, and they were glowing bright, bright white. Yeah, kind of
kind of the way I look at it. The light that a lot of
people were seeing were being emitted by these spears, right, And as we
kind of progressed through the story, they kind of switched behavior in a way,
and as if they were being repelled by magnet. One at a time,
the spheres shot off in different directions right then leaving the craft itself,
which because there was no light now shining on the on the craft. You
could tell it was a silver sort of color of the craft. And um,
yeah, this is the most vivid and direct memory that I actually do
recall, you know, from the regression and from past memory as well.
Now, did you actually see what other people had seen as far as like
the being, Yes, I did, um by account they were actually three
beings. Um. Two of them m kind of remained within the line of
sight from the playground to the craft. And another one, which is also
one of my most vivid memories, was one of the beings actually darting from
the craft towards the direction of the swimming pool, the swimming pool which was
probably about two three, four hundreds to the left of the playground. And
the most peculiar thing was the way in which it moved, because it almost
felt as if it would disappear and appear a few meters ahead of itself,
you know, almost in a blinking fashion and not in the normal linear fashion
that you'd expect someone to be moving, you know. And did you see
it like they looked like it was floating. I've heard other people say like
it they never saw it actually touched the ground. No, in in this
case, like I was saying, it would just be the appearing and disappearing,
So I would just want to guess and say, yes, it probably
looked like it was floating, but at no point did it ever look like
it was physically running, if I could say that. M how about that?
All right, welcome back everyone. So that clip for those of you
on YouTube, that was Francis Chermuda about the aerial school incident and went on.
This was a part of an interview that I did several months ago.
He is in Madagascar and a great guy. I was glad to be able
to interview him. All right, uh Stan, we're back. So right
before we went into break, we were talking about the possibility of interdimensional beings
as as a possibility. I know these are all theories, but as there
are other cases that makes you also you know, confirms us more. Oh,
there are so many different cases. I mean, it's just incredible.
And what we have to look at what Londy's UFO reports. I mean,
we have many, many reports of these objects to suddenly physically just appear.
They take on various types of shapes, some appear to be solid metallic.
Sometimes we're getting reports of like a mist or fog around them at times,
but sometimes the physically changed for him and then they're suddenly gone. And I
mean we've had numerous cases, even in teas in the last few years.
I mean there have been numerous cases, especially large cigar shaped objects. I
guess some people we want to call them tic tac shaped objects. Let me
just read you a few short reports from twenty nineteen. This is from outside
of Pittsburgh in August. Beautiful morning. Me and Samuel on a sports look
of the sky about three thousand feet up. Series appears to be silver,
solid oval or football shaped fat in the middle which short ends about eighty feet
long about sixty feet wide. The object's hovering begins to move southeast and to
his right, over top of his head. The objects completely silent. There
was no wind at all that it began to suddenly and slowly vanish. Her
faith from the back end extended to the front section when it was gone from
site observation about five minutes. About ten minutes later, a similar object was
seen and it was gone soon after. Hold On, I got a whole
bunch of pages here, pages of reports from Fayette County in September four twenty
in the morning, cigar shaped object estimated four to six thousand feet high,
no sound, slowly moved by gliding. Eight to ten lights in a row,
round red and color blinked on and off. Also two large white lights
about one hundred seat in length. Something like a fluorescent tube came out of
the object when it went below it, then it went back up into it,
then it dropped back down and was gone. Now that's really interesting because
I'm gonna go over a report that happened along the Chestnut Ridge in July of
twenty nineteen. So this is in the hotbed area along the ridges outside of
Atro, Pennsylvania, and that evening, two people were traveling along the Youngstown
side of the ridge when it was a very clear night and the pasture and
the car yelled out that the driver one of those lights in the sky,
and he pulled over and looked up. The past year was confused because what
she first saw looked like a glass tube cylinder among bright lights. It seemed
to be covered with a smoke or a haze. The cylinder appeared to be
attached to a very large V shaped object with several rows of different colored lights.
The driver stopped the car, and it was amazing, look at this
thing that's hiving about sixty feet above the trees. The V shape was made
above a numerous small rectangular shaped white lights. Those lights were glowing blue,
brightened dimo times. He estimated about fifty or more of those lights, and
the object itself about forty in length. It was about the smaller lights where
four larger round lights that were strobing orange, blue, red, and green
in color. The brightness of those colors appeared tail compared to the smaller rectangular
lights. These lights that seemed the stroke of left the right, and there
was a larger light that produced a beam that was scanning the sky above the
object as it hovered. The driver put down the windows as it continued to
watch. They were amazed that this large object was completely silent. And he
said, all of a sudden, now the radio was off in the car.
And he said, all of a sudden, the electronic system of the
car was having a seizure. He said, the radio was off, but
they suddenly began heard this odd clicking sound inside your car. But they were
unable to locate where the sound was coming from. At that time, they
noticed that the dash lights were dimming on and off with the beat of the
clicking sound. He also was having trouble with a sofa and the signal was
dropping out. They watched the thing. They were got very very shirk up.
They were very upset over what they were seeing, and they decided to
leave. They said they were in awe they and believe what they were seeing.
As they began to ride down the road about thirty miles an hour,
suddenly animals began running out of the woods as though they were frightened. He
said, first the deer ran out right in front of the car. This
guy's experienced outdoorsman and hunter. He said he's never seen a deer look so
dazed and confused. Moments later, another deer ran out short distance down the
road. A bird he hit the car windshield and as it conded down the
road, more animals came out of the woods. And interestingly, about a
year later, I get a call from another fellow who he remembered that particular
date because something was going on in his life. He said he was a
few miles away on the opposite side of the Ridgins the same night, and
he believed the same object covered over his vehicle and shot a beam light down
onto his vehicle. That's just an example of the many, many kind of
reports we've been receiving, and these are the kind of reports that are continuing
to go on. But he don't hear about the news because the witnesses won
no publicity. Did that actually stall his vehicle as well? No, it
did not, but the radio was off, it did not stove his vehicle.
But I have head cases where that has occurred. And also interestingly,
there as many aspects of the bigfoot phenomena that are very unusual that I've looked
into, and many people never heard about it or won't talk about it.
But besides having electromagnetic effects where UFOs hoverm near cars and the headlights go out
or power goes out and they move off and the power comes back on,
the same thing has happened in some bigfoot cases where big has ran out near
a car and there are the power lost in the vehicle, or when the
creatures run off the move away, the power comes back on where the power
regains in the vehicle itself. Wow, that is so puzzling. That's that's
almost like makes you wonder if there's you know, I'm going to go way
out there and just say, if there's some type of way to travel through
another dimension, if you use a certain type of power that would affect things
in that other dimension, you know, like sort of like there's anti matter,
kind of like anti power or something, you know. I mean it's
bizarre, Yes, it's all bizarre, but it's only you can only look
at these things with speculation. That's it. Nobody has any answers. Again,
I think we're dealing with something it's so beyond our present understanding right now,
which is why so many people laugh, because if you haven't had your
own personal experience. I deal with people all the time. I mean very
educated people from people all kinds of backgrounds. Most of these people didn't believe
any of these things could exist, whether it's a UFO or a Bigfoot,
until they had their own experience. And for so many people it was a
life changing event. And some man these people I've been in touch with from
twenty thirty forty years ago, and even today, some of these people still
can't deal with it. But we're dealing with something as very unusual as a
physical and non physical component to it. But the one pattern I found years
ago is many low level close range UFO encounters, and many encounters with bigfoot
and other cryptids calmly occur in the vicinity of high energy sources. So many
incidents occur around power stations, high pension power lines, radio communication towers,
gas wells, gas lines, and railroad tracks, reservoirs, goes on and
on and on. There's definitely an energy connection to the phenomena or whatever it
might be. And uh, you know, I mean you mentioned, you
know, Skinwalker Ranch earlier, and there were the scientists on site that claimed
they saw this creature like a bigfoot, come out through what appeared to be
a portal that all of a sudden appeared and closed up, which is wow.
I mean, this is all mind bending stuff and fascinating. And they
weren't They didn't film it. I don't remember what the reasoning was behind not
filming that particular situation, but yeah, it's really fascinating. What do you
have other stories as well that, you know, kind of dovetail similar to
this. Yeah, we could talk for hours. Okay, there are many,
many pieces. This is exactly what's been going on around here and again
in other parts of the country. And and I'll give you an uninteresting case.
But here's something that a lot of people have never talked about, are
know very little about. It plays a part in all this phenomena. You
know, we're always talking about these large cigar shaped objects and triangular objects,
and then more recent here's large rectangular objects are being seen. But I've been
doing what I call many UFOs since the nineteen sixties. These we continue to
occur, and they are so much more interesting and maybe more important, because
these are not our objects that are seen high in the guy. These things
are low to the ground. They become very very close to people. There
have been incidents where they've entered people's homes and closs or open windows and going
out, sometimes right through the vehicle wall or right through the wall of the
house. I had one case years ago Northern p I remember many years ago
a woman told me she was cooking in the kitchen one day. The window
was opening when these small little spheres came in floated around the kitchen, and
her reaction wo she grabbed the room, started striking it. She said,
are broken. The two identical little spheres they float around once that got the
window. But their objects I'm talking about, they're generally spherical, but not
always. They're generally I mentioned two to a foot to two in diameter to
sometimes solid metallic looking. Sometimes they're transparent or translucent, and sometimes they're just
bright light sources of different colors. And they're very very interesting, again because
it comes so close to people. And I'll give you a couple of examples,
and I think you'll find some of those cases are very very interesting.
But here's here's one of these small cases of one of these small objects that
is not a sphere. This happened just in This goes back in twenty seventeen,
I believe, and this in Fayette County, even count called Fayette City.
It was earlier morning, and a man who has got up early to
wearing up his wife's car so you can go to work and have a nice
warm car. And the whole area, the whole patiot there was illuminated.
The lights were on. He's walking down the steps towards her car, and
about ten to twelve feet away by the right bumper, he sees He said,
I don't even know how to explain it. He said. This thing
was about two feet tall, shaped like a haystack. The object was translucent,
shiny and a milky white color. There were vertical ribs that seemed to
be superstructure that looked like chrome straws that be seen through the translucent structure.
The object, which was silent, was gliding one to two inches off the
ground and was motionless when he first saw it. He said, whatever the
object was, several seconds later, it must have detected he was there and
he was only about six feet away from it had suddenly zoomed extremely fast across
the driveway to the left side of the car, made a perfect right angle
down along the driver's side where it was dark in that area of the garage,
and he never saw it again. That's very very interesting. Here's the
case from twenty nineteen in Daylight from one of my research assos because Jim Brown
up in Fayette County. He investigating the incident in November of twenty nineteen where
a man was on his way home that afternoon and he's going up the rise
of a road and he sees his ball, this ball on the ground.
It's about two feet across and was blocking the road. He couldn't get home
unless the ball was moved. He didn't know what this thing was. It
couldn't figure it out, So he decided he got it out of the car
and started walking towards it, and he had just shut the door and began
to purchase, and he said they began to physically fade away. In a
few seconds, it completely banished, and then it disappeared. It never moved,
dis faded away. And he had no idea what this thing was,
but he said it was so re gray in color, just a sphere about
two feet in diameter. And that's the kind of reports that people are coming
up with now. You know. One of the things I think of when
when it comes to the small and the size of the UFO shouldn't really matter
that much, but I think of like a drone type situation these things considerably.
Is the opinion of these that they are intelligently operating on all of these
or most of these. Well, again, these we push go back many
many years. I mean, when I first heard about him, I thought
that we're could be building whatever they are, there's some type of remote device
that's setting back some type of data, whether there's audio and visual or boat
to another source. So whether they some type or remotely controlled objects. And
of course now you've got these navy reports of something going on, and I
don't know what's going on, but it gets much more fascinating because these small
spheres of light they keep reappearing in areas we have repeat activity. I'm sure
when you talk about the skin walker rine, they probably will talk about some
of those. They are appearing in other areas around Pennsylvania, around the country,
but in more recent years, not only in Pennsylvania, from around the
country, and if you're going to the internet, you'll see more and more
discussion about this bigfoot. Researchers are out in the areas that have a history
of bigfoot encounters, and many of those people, including in recent weeks here
in Pennsylvania, are reporting seeing these unusual spheres of light or other weird light
phenomena that they cannot explain. So now you've got this, and for example,
let me give you this report. This is outside of Pittsburgh and this
just happened in May of twenty nineteen, early morning hours. This man happened
to look out his windows and I believe the kitchen looked out the back window.
It was illuminated, the outside was illuminated pretty well from artificial lighting.
He sees a small big foot. We get those reports two about four and
a half to five feet tall. It covered in dark hair, with long
hair on the head and the back walk on two legs. The arms are
down past the knees. He could see the arm swinging. The creature had
a long stride, and it went through a neighbor's yarady into a wooded area
and had passed right into this particular woitded area. About three seconds later,
right at that location where entered the woods, a bright sphere of light about
three to four inches diameter suddenly appeared. The witness said it was like looking
directly into the front of a flashlight, about four feet off the ground.
The light then moved a short distance about three seconds and vanished a few seconds
later, the light reappeared again about ten feet away, and this time the
small seri emitted a bright beam of light about ten to twelve feet long.
A few seconds later he had vanished, And that's the last you saw of
it. So these are the kind of things that are going on, but
you hear very little about it. With this also have to do with um.
You know, there was there was someone his name was Terry. I
forgot his last name. He was doing research on the orange orb phenomenon.
Is this along the same lines you mentioned different colored lights or whatever, but
is it the orbs as well as part of this? And I'm not exactly
sure what case you're referring to, but I mean these orange lights, I
mean they're ranged again for anywhere from a niche or two in diameter to one
or two foot in diameter approximately, And again they're generally sphirical, but not
always. But going back to the seven these, if I remember from Washington
State in other areas, there was a lot of reports coming in of these
strange spears of light orbs of light in the trees low level where bigfoot activity
was going on. And as I recall, going back to nineteen seventy two,
when I first began to hear some the indication if something like this is
shown up in seventy three turned up and we began to see a lot of
reports. But some people said they were like oversized fire prize, very close
to homes and the bushes low to the ground. And I remember a bigfoot
researcher told me from a few years ago there was an amazing case with a
big foot where up in Fayette County where this creature. Actually, the two
dolls in the car were sitting in the vehicle because this bigfoot, the seven
eight foot tall creature, had come down the hillside was standing twenty feet in
the road right in front of them, and neither one was moving. They
were staring each other. Had glowing red eyes, which is very common,
a lot of reports of luminous eyes of various colors. And they actually slowly
moved her car forward and had they actually had the vehicle actually was touching the
knees of this creature and it turned I had his hands on the front of
the vehicle, and then it turned around, start walking down the road and
went off into the woods. But within the week a number of bigfoot investigators
were up to that site, and various ones You put us in these strange
lights in the sky. But I remember one telling me about what looked like
a very large swarm of these large, oversized fireflies, and they would be
in big swarms, but interestingly, as they're moving, they're illuminating in the
whole area around it. And he'd tried a couple of times, I recall,
to go towards it. Every time he moved towards it, the swarm
would move away so he couldn get near them. So there's a lot of
things out there that are very unusual going on. Wow, the luminous eyes,
that is so wild. And I know I had Frank Fashino on talking
about the Flatwoods monster, and that's one of the things that you know,
whatever that was had luminous size as well. Really bizarre. There's just take
a quick jag. Dave Altman's in the chat and listening and he was asking
if you could talk about the dragon encounter. You must be familiar with what
he's asking. There have been a number of reports from Pennsylvania, and I
probably need to clarify this a little bit. There have been many reports are
went for a better term, we called thunderbird sightings for years and years,
going back to maybe the eighteen hundreds, but there have been some significant reports
of these giant oversized birds even the last year. Some of the reports indicate
this thing has twenty foot wings band and anyhow, they look like an oversized
turkey vault. As I said, they're gently dark brown or black. And
there's other reports though within that subtitle of thunderbirds, they're not just oversized birds.
There's other people reporting that some of these things are like leathery, leathery,
giant quite often black bats, huge black bats that some of these people
were seeing. And then you've got these other reports of what some people swear
they've seen that look something like a pterodactyl, like prehistoric birds. So those
are very very intriguing. I think the case he might be talking about happened
back twenty twelve again up in Fayette County, where so many very strange things
have happened. And this fella was walking his dog that evening and they had
some outside lights on and he was tension was drawn upward after they heard like
this whooshing sound from overhead. And I believe he sells about fifty fifty feet
or so away he sees something. He said it looked like a dragon that
passed over the automatic dust to dawnlight. And he said the thing had a
body about twenty two feet long with a week span by eighteen feet wide,
looked shino and almost reflective body with no scales, and the color was dark,
kind of a brown or red color, similar to auburn brown. He
said, on the wings that appeared to be talon like fingers by three to
four number the wings were quite thick and not like skin, appear to be
a rear fin on the back side of the body cruised display an airly head
shaped tail, and appeared to be He could see the two extended rear legs
on this thing. He said. The weirdest thing was that there was an
illumination aminous orange glow around the mouth and eyes, and the creature flew down
over the trees, down further into the yard. He said, it made
it sound like a foghorn on a boat. And there have been some other
reports so something as people swears like a dragon, and then the reporters get
weirder and weirder. I mean, there are so many unusual creature reports.
Who are working I'm actually I'm working on a script for a book right now.
If some of the weird word things been reported over the last several years,
and some of these are very very bizarre reports. But what we call
or what people began to call now the gargoyl Abutler County gargoyle. This was
from twenty eleven. I interviewed this witness many many times. A guy who's
very professional, he's a businessman, and he was riding up in Aboutler County
early one morning, late in the early one morning, between Shakur and East
Brady and his headlights catch this thing in the field to us right, and
he thought it was a deer. And as he approaches closer, this things
rises from the ground, takes three big steps and finding him and off into
the woods. It went across the right into the woods. When he interviewed
him the first time, he went on to say that he said, I
know people talk about bigfoot. He said this thing was not a big foot.
He said, this thing is at least eight foot tall, but it
was covered with a smooth, level like skin. It was either dark tin
or light brown. And he said the head appeared to be flat, kind
of like an aerodynamic helmet. The face was flat, the eyes were kind
of curved back the ear and he saw up on the one side the ear
was left side was long and flat and went backwards something like a flap.
But he said the arms were muscular, a little longer than that of a
human. The hands had claws, and he said what really stuck out was
it had very muscular legs. And he said the legs did not move like
that of a human. They looked like they were bent backwards, and he
said it had appeared to be wings on its back which were tucked into its
body, with the wingtips extending towards the side of its head. And with
this day, a number of other people in the same year reported other sightings
as well. It's almost like, you know what you're describing little bits of
it sound like the people have described Mothman as well. Yeah, I mean
there's some similarities to it, and yeah, it's just fascinating. And that
doesn't even get into some of the strange reports we've had for the last several
years. And this goes on year after year. People are seeing these things
and even stranger things that continue to be reported. It's such a strange phenomena,
and like I said, uncovered a lot of strange things about Bigfoot,
but it goes further. And when your friend, I think you mentioned your
friend was talking about glowing sphere or whatever, or somebody talked about ghost lights
or whatever. The more is looking this phenomenon, and the more people I've
talked to over the years, there is some similarity and there may well be
some association with other types of parent normal phenomena as well. We just don't
understand it, but a lot of what the people in the parent normal field
is investigated with these balls of light or orbs of light and other phenomena.
There's some strong similarities with some other phenomena that I'm finding with Bigfoot in UFOs.
And believe me, my journey in this field did not was not in
this direction. I wasn't looking for this. This is what the people begin
to report years and years ago. And when so many different people who didn't
have any way of knowing each other over many years, begin to give it
these little details and then you begin to see these patterns. You can't just
throw this out and eliminate it. I don't understand it. Like I said,
I think as a way beyond anybody's understanding right now. But I think
it's going on. I think it's very likely the government that is a lot
more about any of this various phenomena. But UFOs are Bigfoot. They're telling
the public, but I don't think they have the answers either, right.
Yeah, I've said that many times on this show. Now, what about
let's talk about the You know, some of the witnesses that come forward,
how reluctant are they to really open up and speak to you. And that's
my A. And the B side of this question is are there every like
really large groups of witnesses seeing these things? Yes, and yes, people
from all walks of life have come talked to me. And I'm not the
union. They maybe have talked to other researchers too, But I deal with
these people quite often. And I remember, probably the last three years,
I interviewed independent several experienced hunters and outdoorsmen, all who had different experiences,
different locations. I mean, some of these guys, I mean, these
guys are probably your thirties and forties, spent years out in the woods,
and I mean these guys out there and I remember why I was trembling with
tears coming out of his eyes and he just could not deal with what he
saw. I mean, some of these people screams and cries to her from
these creatures what they saw. I mean, their lives were changed. I
mean I can think of many people over the years that I'm still in touch
with who never never would have believed that these things could take place or be
real. And some of these guys have spent their life was going on hunting
and going to the woods, and these guys have told me I'll never go
back up in the woods again. I mean, that is the kind of
things that are going on, and it's just amazing. The whole point is
this, and we haven't even touched on some of these other strange creature reports
that have been coming in that you've got all these different unknown creatures, and
yet we cannot possibly have so many tape unknown species out there, like you've
got so many different credible people with different backgrounds from different areas that don't know
each other, tell us the same stories, the same details over the years,
you can't eliminate the reports. So we have to be dealing with something
that we just don't understand right now. And again, I'm saying, for
a lack of a better term, could be interdimensional. That whatever we're dealing
with, under certain conditions, they come in and out of our physical lady.
They can leave evidence of times and then they're gone, and it's just
it's just gets stranger in stranger. I mean, I just got an interesting
important here in the last couple of hours, an investigator that just got a
whole report happened very recently. I'm not ready to talk about it because they
need to go into it. But it gets into some of these cases where
people were telling me that it's like these things are like watching a predator movie,
like with Bigfoot. I mean. I had one member of a family
who was riding down a road a few years ago early morning, going to
work, and she wrote me a several pages of report on it, extremely
reluctant to even talk to me or anybody, and she said it was like
watching a predator movie. She said, We're going down the road and suddenly
this huge eight foot tall, hair covered creature suddenly appears in front of the
car. It's going along the road. I can see from head to toe
and it's suddenly it's gone. These things appear and disappear. I had another
case at the base of the dairy along the chess Undridgs a few years ago.
Man's riding down the road that evening and he said, about seventy five
feet away this about seven foot tall, very broad shouldered something. You can
see the whole outline this thing. It's very broad shoulder, kind of stooped
over. And he said, it's like misty, foggy. It's not physically
solid. I can see its shape and it appears to be more floating or
gliding above the road into the field and it's gone. And we've heard that
with bigfoot reports, the same thing, where sometimes it's running very fast and
looks physically solid, but we have other cases where only parts of the body
is physically solid. Sometimes parts of the body is out of focus, sometimes
are misty or foggy. It's just so bizarre. And it was only one
or two reports, he said, it's imagination. But when you start getting
these reports from all over the state and all across the country and from other
countries, then you've got to realize there's something going on here. Yeah,
that's right. It was Jane Goodall, the woman that lived among the apes,
you know, years ago. She had actually thought that there could be
something to the bigfoot thing, you know, because of people seeing it you
just mentioned in other countries, and she went into all the countries where people
are acclaiming that they see that. Getting back to the second part of the
question, are there any like mass witness sightings or is it all just people
remotely in the woods that see things like this. No, there have been
cases where there have been multiple witnesses, both with UFOs and bigfoot, And
you know, we talk about the Phoenix Light case. The Phoenix lights case
from years ago, but here in Pennsylvania, and let me sell my memory
is February. We was February of ninety two Williamsport, Pennsylvania. There was
a mass sighting late afternoon over a highly populated area and one or more of
these very large solid boomerang triangle objects was observed very low to the ground.
You know, most UFO reports would get these things make no sound, but
in some cases these things make a terrific sound. This was like, according
to people, it was like a railroad car train coming up the road road.
There was no railroad and people were running outside that day to see where
the sound was coming from. And this thing was moving so slow. People
were walking underneath it and getting great, great observation to this thing, and
it's made. This made a lot of news locally in the small town papers.
You would have thought with the making national news. It was a very
long, detailed investigation was done on this thing, and nobody was able to
track down what this thing was, but it was amazing. So there were
multitudes and witnesses there, so a lot of cases I get. Yes,
there are multiple witnesses and in lots of cases. I'll get reports coming in
simultaneous sleep from other people in the same area, or sometimes days or months
later, I'll get other leads and other people coming forward and saying, yeah,
I saw that too, And we've also had that with bigfoot case would
have been multiple witnesses involved. It's not just one person. Many times there's
more than one witness. So many of these cases that are coming in say,
yes, that is not uncommon whatsoever. Amazing there was. There was
a Latrobe, Pa bigfoot sighting near Saint Rose's Church in the nineteen seventies.
Are familiar with that one. Someone wanted to know if you were, can
you can you repeat that again? I quldn't he t I think he's spelled
it wrong. Lata trope but I think it's latrope Pa back in the nineteen
seventies. I'm sure. Yeah, that's probably one of the many many cases
I investigated. That's during that massive bigfoot sighting. So Latrobe, Pennsylvania,
which is the hometown of Arnold Palmer, was an area. It's very close
to Tess nutter Ridge. So on one side he got Youngstown. He had
the Dairy township which continues to be a hotbed for phenomena. I had a
very good, interesting daytime bigfoot sighting up on the ridge in February this year.
I interviewed the guy. He's been a long time outdoorsman. He saw
the seven eighth foot tall, dirty white, hairy bigfoot in daylight, so
just several weeks ago on Fort Saint. Didn't he even have a cell phone
or camera to take a picture of it. But he saw somebody you'd never
believed that I never saw before. And then we were getting reports of large
tracks up there along the ridge and big tracks in the snow, but that
happens Kerry Carmanly up around there, and there were many many signings around La
Trobe and day. The whole story is my Silent Invasion book, which goes
into great detail about that massive wave and seventy three, and my teams are
out there day and night during that outbreaking seventy three, especially along that area
around La Trobe and Dairy and all the small towns Hillside and New Dairy,
and goes on and on and on, and there were many many big foot
sightings daylight as well as at night. There was a lot of physical evidence.
We found that some of these cases, there was just amazing reports coming
in and that area still continues to be active with reports. Yeah, that's
all fascinating, really really amazing. And yeah, I had never heard that
story you just mentioned about the you know, mass sighting of triangle. Did
you say there was more than there were two two triangles that were seeing That
could have been more than one because it was from a widespread area, came
in from more than one county, but a lot of that was right around
Williamsport, Pennsylvania. Yeah, that's right. And was it just a one
was it a one day thing that again? Was that a one time situation
or was it a repeat thing? I believe from my remember. I could
be wrong, but I think it was mainly a one time situation most of
it. I think there may have been some other sightings later, but I
believe that was mainly a one time incident. And when you said earlier,
you said that these things are happening all over the country, So you're you're
really are paying Besides trying to take hold of all the investigating that you're doing
or involved with our people you know are involved with, you're actually looking out
to see if there's similarities. Is that is that what it is in other
places? Yeah, and I get called them are over the country. I
mean, I do meanly in Pennsylvania. Yeah, I an ideal with people
from around the country. People call witnesses, call me, investigators call me.
And for example, while this was going on here in March, for
example, in PA, there was another group down to West Virginia. They're
very active, and they had an incident where in the afternoon a fellow who
was a nonbeliever, apparently in UFOs So we saw in videotape. It's a
very good video of what you could call a tick tack, a cigar shaped
object moving across the sky. And I had a few other reports that same
day here in Pennsylvania. So things are going on, I think in a
lot of places. I'm hearing there's quite been quite a bit of activity in
other parts of the country too, But again I'm doing mainly here in Pennsylvania,
right. And since the lockdown or so called lockdown over the year,
it sounds like things have increased there is that is that the case? I
can't say increased, I can say this is interesting. What's happened late February
in March where we've had the surge of activity. It's nothing like the seventies
with the hundreds and hundreds of reporters come in, but there have been quite
a number of reports coming in. But it goes like this and cycles.
I mean, since if you get on our website and you can read some
of the past reports on there, twenty seventeen has some very interest in cape
At twenty eighteen became very active with Bigfoot and grew up on crypto cases.
Twenty nineteen was very very active with reports them. Again, a lot of
these are detailed, close up observations of various phenomena, And to my surprise,
twenty twenty has been quite active with reports. I mean it's been steady
right through until we got into the wintertime, which things slowed down even more.
But I was very surprised with the virus situation of the number of reports
have been coming in. And Stan your your website, uh you mentioned a
couple of times. I'm just going to pull up for everyone to see to
check it out. It's uh Stan Gordon as one word dot info. People
can check that out and like I said, I'll pull it up here so
people can see it on YouTube and it is shared in the show notes that
anyone can go ahead and see you said that you are are working on a
book now, and it has to do a lot with your saying the strange
animals that were basically talking about a lot of it tonight. It's going to
happen by a lot of these strange creature different type of creature reports and UFO
reports as well, So there'll be a lot of cases in there that a
lot of people probably had never heard of before, and even some of these
cryptid reports that had never heard of before. So I'm hoping that hopefully to
get it out in the next few months, things to slow down a little
and got back stepped here with all the activity and the virus situation around here.
So hopefully the next few months will happen out. But these kind of
case are going on year after year, and it's then before I know about
the phenomenal stranger did I said many many years ago the phenomenus as stranger.
It protects itself. It protects itself in a way from people taking it seriously
because it's just so far out, Is that what you mean? No,
Because it's so unusual that who's going to believe unless you experience it yourself.
It's so unusual, just like when we started the show. And that's a
lot of people are skeptical of these kind of reports until they learn more and
more about it and realize there's something going on here. There's something actually going
on. Too many people were involved in this from all over the country.
To one note, publicity have nothing to gain. I mean, why would
a police officer, an engineer, a school teacher, a hunter contact somebody
privately, don't want their name out there. They just want another anybody else
that ever, so anything like this before, it's very common, right right,
Yeah, So you just mentioned police officers. Do you have a lot
of police officer reports in Pennsylvania Over the years, I've interviewed numerous police officers
who have seen everything from UFOs and some experienced other strange incidents out there.
And I'll tell you once and I think you'll find a stascinating because this is
another cryptid that's beginning to get reports now from around the country. It's something
a lot different. And I got this report from a police officer in twenty
seventeen in Pennsylvania. He called me a short time after he saw this thing
while on patrol. And it's a very very strange report. But within weeks
other people, without knowing about it, people began to report seeing something similar,
and now it's something similar is being reported around the country. So this
police officer, he's on patrol an area. They commonly would patrol these areas
at night, and he's ride down this back road. He sees what appears
to be a ball of very dull white light on the ground and he stopped
there because he's thinking, I don't call any kind of artificial lighting around here.
And as he's looking at this thing, suddenly this ball of light rises
up from the ground and he realizes that the ball of light is actually the
head of a very strange being about six feet or taller. It would taller
on a skeletal thin It was completely hairless. By the way. He said,
he believed his thing was laying on its belly, lying on its belly
on the ground, with his head facing towards the road. It stood up
facing the road. It was very dark in that location. He saw the
dull light from the glowing he had illuminating the upper section of the body.
He watched this thing turned to the right, and then he said the creature
turned and faced him, then turned to the left and took off at an
incredible speed away a location from the road. As then moved off, he
said to witness be could see his arms swinging, he said. He indicated
it took off at a speed that he could only call abnormal. He said,
it moved fast and anything he'd ever seen before. It was there and
then was gone. Interestingly, almost the same words and some people describe with
Bigfoot and other cryptos where they appear and disappear. And when it was gone,
he pulled his vehicle up and put his spark light on. There was
no traction or anything here, he said. This thing was at least six
feet tall. They had was at eight to tennis doesn't diameter, shaped like
a ball, but it may It had some egg shape to it, he
said. The light seemed to be just a dull white. The light illuminated
the should orders the top of the chest in a section of the arms.
The witness could not see the hand. The chest was about eighteen inches across.
The waist appeared to be small, but the arms were unusually along the
long limbs look skeletal with no muscle masks. The skin tone appeared to be
dull, grayish blue. He could not see any facial features, and of
course he was very reluctant to report it. But within a couple of weeks
later, I've had another report from another person. I'm comely guessing I'd have
to look at a map. I can't remember exactly, maybe thirty miles away,
forty miles away in another area. And this person was outside, way
out in the country, and she sees this large object covering over the trees
with multiple lights on, a rotating bobbing up and dam. As this thing's
hovering there, she hears this really weird screeching, screaming so coming from the
woods. She said it was like an angry owl, a very loud,
steady, and like an angry noise, like an angry owl. And this
thing's still harbing there. And soon after that she sees in the distance what
she thought was a neighbor coming up out of the woods in her direction.
Soon realized this wasn't a person in law, but she sees his basic human
form about five foot eight inches tall, has this kind of egg shaped The
color of the creature was on and getting the pressure. It was very sickly
and in poor health. Looked to be a very light cream to ivory color,
and there was no facial features except around what beat a mouth areas seemed
to be a wrinkled down on one side, brought to be thin, hairless.
So it's very similar to what the policeman saw him. And then more
reports, and then I get a report from Nullo Fella, whose homes is
basically in the woods. He's been a woodsman all his life. He works
out in the woods. He knows the sound of deer and other animals because
he lives with him. And he said he was up in the woods behind
his home working and he hears his bipedal sound to sound a very odd and
then scare him a little, say, sided down, go down the woods.
I'll go to the house and eat. So he goes down to his
home. He's down there. A short time later. He's sitting at his
table, which is about ten feet away from the back door that has no
drape on it so it's unobstructed, and he sees this creature crouched down at
the door. He said, a humanoid shape being with his hands and knees
steering directly at the witness. Creature looked like a skelet skeleton cover with all
gray skin. The creature was down on his gray, bony legs. The
legs looked similar to that of a grayhund. The arms were very long,
bony, and hairless. The head was round, the neck was small,
and the eyes were glowing a dull yellow color. He has to me this
thing with standing by six or seven feet tall, he could see it spied
protruding as it moved. It crouched down and went across around the house and
was gone. That's the kind of things that are going on. But you're
not going to hear about it in the news. Couh No. You know,
one of the things I was thinking of when you were talking earlier about,
you know, the possibility of these things being interdimensional. It seems to
me that, you know, maybe I'm wrong, but for someone to travel,
unless they're sent or whatever through whatever it is, to get into this
dimension, let's just follow that line, you know, that line of thinking.
You would think the beings would be of great intelligence and you don't really
see like actions when it talks about the big foot and the screaming and the
you know, the the odor that you can smell them from half a mile
away and stuff like that, But you don't. You don't really see intelligence
in these beings or any of these beings that all of a sudden show up
and disappear. What do you think about that? And it's gives different types
of reaction. One thing you just mentioned about the smell. Yes, a
lot of people talking about this very strong, overpowering odor, like something rotten
eggs saw first time. It's been dead for a long time. But in
many cases there is no smell whatsoever. My theory is that I don't Again,
it's just a theory that the smell is somehow related to the process of
these things appearing and disappearing. Intelligence wise. It's really hard to comment on
that because of different reactions. But one reaction I've seen an increase in report
in recent years. The different cryptic case I investigate is that when these creatures
realize that the human observer can see them, they have a startled reaction,
which some people can see on their face and how they move their mouth and
their teeth. They have a startled reaction when they realize that the humans can
see them. Think, it's very interesting, how about that. That's almost
makes you wonder if you know, maybe they're thinking they're in another spectrum or
something where we can't visually see them, or maybe that's where they are some
of the time or whatever. Yeah, that's that's a whole other, whole
other thing. Let's see. Michael wanted to know, have there been any
dog man encounters through Pennsylvania as seen in Wisconsin. Yes, there have been
a number of dog man sightings that myself and other investigators have looked into the
years. But you have to go back to nineteen seventy three with that major
outbreak, and if you read through my Solid Invasion book, the one thing
that I brought up was that you had many of the so called typical bigfoot
sightings or something six to nine feet tall, cover with hair, no neck,
long arms. But then there were some variations. We had some reports
with these things were smaller and more muscular, some were taller and thinner.
And then I had some case where people were i mean literally two three feet
away from these things that close and they were looking. I mean the one
case the woman was literally looking face to face at this thing between a screen
in a window she was in. She was brought up early in a bathroom
visiting a friend, and those are the foundation house load of the ground.
She began to hear these strange sounds outside and suddenly this thing rises up.
And this thing has she described the face is looking more like a wolf or
a dog, blowing eyes, large thing like teeth, I mean, looked
directly into a space. I mean I talked to her. She had called
the state polas and they patched me and the thought to her. They sent
a trooper out, and then I'll tell you an interesting part of the story
that she gave a very detailed account of what she saw. She was so
scared that she made those people take her to her home several miles away.
Within the hour, the same or another creature shut up at her house.
And I've had other cases where the same thing has been reported, not that
common, where the same thing has happened, where somebody's seen a bigfoot a
certain location. Within a short time later, they go somewhere else and a
bigfoot shows up. Wow, almost like it was following them in some type
of fashion. In a way, it sounds like, yeah, we don't
have the answers, but that's what people reported. Yeah, here's a good,
good point that Rob is making in the interventional theory why would they need
to raid trash cans, because that's one of the things you do hear about.
A number of people have noted that, you know, a big foot
was in their trash can, digging their trash can. I have heard that.
Now I don't know if there's any truth to that. Again, who
knows, But so I thought that was an interesting take. And yes,
we've heard those stories. We realized years and years ago that these things left
apple's corn and berries particularly, and yes, over the years and reports of
chasing deer and carrying deer over their shoulders. Wow, that's the type of
thing we've had. And again, so much we don't have an answer for.
But these are the kind of things have been reported for a long long
time. And so it's um, it's there's so many little details. And
as you talk about you bring these details out and you talk about the smell.
I'll tell you an interesting case. And this was down and around the
area outside of atro back during seventy three. I smell again. I told
you I never saw a bigfoot. There was a couple of farms out in
that area where the people earn the farm said these things period, we would
come back. So my team even though we're very busy on multiple cases.
We tried to stake out some of these places and one night I got a
call for one of the families that the creature just been back on the farm.
So we got our team and were hurried back out there. When we
got out there, we found three to footprints in the barn, the animals
again and their farm that wouldn't make a sound they had. It was dark,
There was a big cornfield there and something way ahead of his bipedal was
taking large stripes running away from it in the cornfield, making this very loud,
heavy breathing, asthmatic like sound. I chased it. We chased it
through the cornfield. I recorded the sounds. Whatever it was, we could
never catch up to it, but with a smell I was taking. A
police officer took me down to a house where two women had come to the
police department and they wanted to see the creature they reportedly get shot. Where
the rumor was going around that area that the police had shot had shot a
big foot After so many sighting they wanted to see it because on this particular
night, on a very warm night, this woman was lying in bed and
something awakened her. She turned over the windows only I think it was like
three to four feet away from her bed, and this creature is stooped down,
had the drapes open and staring directly at her. She's looking right into
the face of this thing, the windows nine feet off the ground. It
moved back from the window, went around the other side of the house where
her daughter was sleeping. The daughter started screaming, she just saw the biggest
shadow she had ever seen. And right about that time, this horrific smell
begins to encompass the area in their home. And three days and they said
they went to the east because they wanted to see. Yep, what the
what the mother had seen it was similar to what they had shot, which
of course was not the case. It was an untrue rumor. The police
officer believed they were telling the fruit had me come down to the house and
interview them. When I got into the house, you could still smell this
rotten odor, like selling them been dead for a long time. Wow.
That that's crazy, that's really crazy. We've only got about three minutes left,
so um, I think this is This has been a great show and
I've really enjoyed speaking to you once again. Um, just going back real
quickly to the you know, the many UFOs that that type of thing.
You mentioned that some of them are structured, but when they look like they're
structured, did they actually were they actually seen like in a home. I
know you mentioned a lot of these are seen. I have been seen indoors
and things like that, but not a structured one indoors, it wouldn't be
what it Well, some of them appeared to be solid metallic and others just
appear to be either transparent with a definite shape and sometimes it just kind of
a spherical light source of different colors. So it depends on the situation.
But they had been reported indoor and outdoor. Yeah, isn't that amazing?
And I know I've actually talked to someone, you know, years ago that
said that they were in a room with a bunch of people and all of
a sudden, this ball light started like going from one room and went from
one room into another, and they jumped up and followed it and something about
a sink, it hit a faucet or something like that and disappeared. But
I mean, it's such a strange, strange phenomenon. The whole thing about
everything we've talked about tonight. It's been pretty strange. So these cases go
on and on. I invite people go to my website. They can get
updates on there, Stan Gordon dot info. They can eatmail me too at
pa UFO at Comcast dot net. It's on my website. Found numbers on
there as well, and my books available on Amazon dot com and Barnes and
Noble dot com as well. Excellent. Well, Stan, you've been wonderful
as always, and I hope to talk to you again, and uh,
you know, maybe another year or so. It would be great to have
you back on. It's always fun speaking with you, all right, the
way things are looking though, hopefully by then it'll be a lot more to
talk about. Yeah, I guess there's a lot of activity. All right.
You take care of Stan and talk to you soon. Have me have
a good evening, yeah you two? Okay? Everyone, So that is
it for our show this evening, and next week we have another kind of
well it's a it's another different type of show. We're gonna be talking crop
circles, realities. We're gonna have two people on, Darcy were and Gary
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have a lot of great things coming up, Kathleen Martin's the week after,
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