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Hello everyone, and welcome to the
show. I am Martin willis your host.

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And wow, look behind me,
it's I was wondering what it was.

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It looks like a UFO in the
skyline, but it's actually the sunshine

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coming in through the window. For
those of you in YouTube, I am

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not going to be abducted as far
as I know, so welcome to the

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show. And tonight we have two
guests. The first guest is Irene Previn

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and she is in Australia. It's
a Wednesday morning there and yesterday in Australia,

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which is the date today, April
six, is the fifty fifth anniversary

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of Westall, so she's going to
be talking about that for about the first

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twenty minutes or so. We'll take
a quick not even a less than a

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minute break and bring in Stan Gordon
for the remainder of the show. And

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again, thank you so much for
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weekly blogs that are up there. And

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just a couple of days after April
first, Charles Leeer sent this wonderful blog

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to us and check it out.
It's called April fools Day's Joke UFO.

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Let me do the title that over
again, UFO April fools Day Jokes,

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and there are some really good examples
of some jokes and and like like a

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lot of lure in the UFO world, a lot of people are taking things

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seriously after years go by. There's
a great image of these people that in

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Brazil that I think it was Brazil, but um no, anyway, that's

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where it was published. But it's
was called the Silverman and Isaac Coy and

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they have this little like small tiny
alien they're holding hands with and it was

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a it was an April Fool's hoax
which ended up several years later people finding

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the old photograph and saying, oh, it's got to be real, and

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so a lot of people were believing
it as real. This has happened many

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times in the UFO world unfortunately.
Um So, you got to check your

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sources always. And so his story
is on April Fools. Um So,

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I hope someday that one of my
shows will land on April fools and I'm

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going to have it. I shouldn't
mourn you now, but I'll probably have

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to do something about that. That
should be fun, I hope. Anyway.

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and I think that is about it
I want to do. I do want

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to thank everyone that helps out with
the show behind the scenes. We got

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Bill over there. We cannot take
calls unfortunately tonight because Stan Gordon is the

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old fashioned type phone guy, so
we'll be on the line with him.

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And so that's it. I'm going
to bring in Irene from Australia. Welcome

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to the show. Irene, good
morning, how are you? Good morning?

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It is morning for you, brighton
early, even before breakfast. That's

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right. Yeah, it's always good
to know to talk to you. That

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we made it to another day,
we made it into the future. So

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tell us what for the person.
There's a lot of people that are new

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listening to the show, and yeah, i'd see ninety percent of them out

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there know all about Westall, but
this is the fifty fifth anniversary. Can

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you do like a say hello?
Everyone? Do like a nutshell? Okay,

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hello, everyone, thank you for
having me on the show. Yeah.

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The west Or incident happened on the
sixth of April nineteen sixty six.

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Basically, the UFO was first seen
by some school kids I think, gazing

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out the window, just waiting before
recess time, which is about twenty two

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quarter to eleven here in Australia,
so we'll have a morning recess at school

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and then lunchtime. So from what
I understand, there were a couple of

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couple of things happened. Kids were
on the school level playing sport and there

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were kids in the science class that
spotted it and ran to the window because

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somebody yelled out, looked, there's
a UFO. So the teacher, the

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science teacher lost droll of the class
at that point while the kids ran to

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the window and looked looked at what
was hovering outside. So I was hovering

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quite close. The school has an
oval and some power grid, a power

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grid, and it was hovering just
above the power grid. But actually other

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people saw as they observed it,
they saw three there were report of at

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least three that were seeing and as
the kids were watching, some light planes

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came in and the UFOs were playing
cat and mouse with these light planes so

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interesting. I think maybe Martin,
if you could show I've actually created some

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images. I'm an artist and graphic
designer, and I've created some images to

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illustrate this. The first one people
that saw the children that saw the UFO,

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and most of them were high school
aged children, so they were aged

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between twelve and seventeen. A lot
of kids were playing sport and so they

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were outdoors and they just looked out
and saw this thing hovering near the power

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grid. And it's reported as a
silvery sourcer shaped object. When I showed

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this where I actually spoke to Colin
Kelly about it. He was one of

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the kids playing cricket on the oval
at the time and he described the shape

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of the object to me, and
I pulled out the image captured over Costa

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Rica in nineteen seventy one. I
think it was a National Geographic Survey aerial

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survey and a very clear photograph of
a UFO was captured. Then I showed

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the image to Colin and he said, yes, it was very similar.

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So I based my construe construction on
that UFO. The uf I've created it

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in a mechanical engineer drafting program,
so actually, eventually I can make a

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three D model of it, and
even probably fabricated in metal, which will

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be pretty exciting. So the next
image, if you could caught that up

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please Okay. So the ure foes
vanished that they sort of headed off in

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a direction, and the kids went
screaming after them. But meanwhile, over

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near the grange, which is a
reserve a little park, there was adjacent

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to a market garden where a young
fellow was pulling up carrots with his boss.

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He was working at the market garden
and he pulled as he was pulling

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up carrots, he said, he
sort of lifted his head up and he

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saw this object hovering and he looked
at it, thought what the hell is

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that? Is somebody playing a practical
joke. And as he observed it,

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it changed from being a solid silver
object and cycling through various colors, and

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then it drifted through the trees.
And I asked him, what do you

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mean did it drift through the trees? I mean the tree is it quite

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close together? How could it object
that size move in between them? And

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he said no, it drifted through
the trees like smoke. So it became

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ghost like or transparent, and it
went through the trees. And so this

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is what I've tried to recreate with
the object looking a little transparent in this

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artwork. Here that you were seeing
is the object depicted here? Is it

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forward of the trees? In other
words, are the trees between the object

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and the I sight and we're seeing
transparent through it? Transparent? It was

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transparent, which is really strange.
Yeah, it's really strange, like it

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had structure yet it was transparent.
It had structure and then it became transparent.

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So when he first saw it,
it was in a different position and

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then it moved, so it was
it was solid, and then he said

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it was like a TV losing transmission. So it was sort of like you

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know when the trev sort of the
picture sort of quality starts to flash or

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lose transmission. He said, it's
sort of cycled through these colors and became

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transparent and moved through the tree.
So I'm very excited to be meeting everybody

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on Saturday, along with journalists Ross
Coulthard who will be interviewing the witnesses.

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And there's one more image I'd like
to show you, Martin. So this

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image once again showing well, it's
interesting because These are the sketches that I

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got the witnesses to draw for James
Fox when he was filming the phenomenon.

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So I've taken all the sketches.
They were torn out from pages of my

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sketchbook. I just tore out pages
and gave it to the witnesses and they'd

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scribble what they saw. I asked
them to draw as best as they could

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remember. But it's interesting because you
can see all the different shapes. So

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I put them together in this collage
and you can see all the different shapes

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that people remember. So it'll be
interesting to see when I show these final

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artworks to the witnesses on satur Day, to see what you know, how

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many people think that it's close to
what they saw. So some of the

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witnesses saying, oh, I'm not
really good at drawing, but I'll do

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my best. But so, yeah, you can seem to see the variety

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of what was remembered after fifty five
years. But still I guess basically the

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same shape, isn't it. Oh
yeah, a lot of it is.

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Now let me ask this because I
know as far as like the Area school

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incident, the I think believe it
was one teacher had the foresight to have

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all the kids draw what they saw, which I think was wonderful. Do

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you happen to know if people made
any contemporary records of what they saw,

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Well, they were told to forget
about it. They were told that they

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were The military did come and go
over the site because crop circles were marks

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were left on the ground, and
they were seen to go over them and

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then remove them by witnesses. But
then also the military representatives came to the

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headmaster and had a word with him, and he the children said, or

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the grown ups now they remember having
school assembly and the the headmaster telling them

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not to talk about it, that
they you know, we're not we're not

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supposed to express it or talk about
it with each other. The media actually

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came at the time, and they
were not They were actually forbidden to talk

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to the media as well. So
it's highly unlikely that they would have been

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encouraged to draw anything, or it
was very very much suppressed in nineteen sixty

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six. It's quite different too in
the nineties. I think things that opened

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up a little bit as far as
people was open mindedness about this topic,

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I think, But in sixty six, middle of the cold war. Yeah,

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I was not talked about at all. It was an environment of FIA

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basically right now. I know.
I know that in speaking to a few

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of the witnesses at the aerial school, and I just loaded a tape we're

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going to play on the top of
the hour on the break of one of

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the witnesses that they or one of
them I spoke to, said she had

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never heard you know, she was
I forget exactly whole eight or nine years

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old, but in South Africa where
they were and everything, she had just

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and no TV. She had just
never heard of a flying soft or UFO

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or anything like that. So it
was like, what the heck. She

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had no idea what she was seeing. And the beings that came out,

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she had no idea what they were, skin like porcelain and all these strange

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things. But yeah, and it
does. It does kind of blows your

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mind when you hear these stories.
But one of the things that people say

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a lot to me is, you
know, why do you rehash all these

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old cases? But there is the
general responses a lot of times when you're

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rehashing these old cases, more information
actually comes out. Somehow it seems to

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happen. Do you find that happening
with this. So it's very exciting that

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Shane Ryan is perpetually on this.
He's the main investigator on this and Ross

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Culture who's a sixty minutes guy here, he's synonymous with sixty minutes here.

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He's a very prominent mainstream journalist.
He's teamed up with Shane Ryan and they've

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been u searching for more information together. Now Ross is launching a book that

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is published by HarperCollins, which is
a very conservative I don't know, it's

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an international publishing house. The CEO
of HarperCollins happens to be the brother of

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Eddie Redmain. Charlie Redmain is his
name, who is apparently very pro and

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very interested in UFOs. And when
Ross made his pitch to HarperCollins about writing

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this book, Charlie happened to be
there in Sydney at the time, and

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he thinks that he wouldn't have got
it across the line to have it published

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in the mainstream if it wasn't for
Charlie Redmain's interest in UFOs. Now,

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Ross covered the Randelsham Forest story back
in two thousand and eight for sixty Minutes.

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He's yeah, it's quite exciting that
a very accomplished and respected mainstream Australian

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journalist is interested in this case and
interested in the wider UFO picture and will

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be He's in the process of interviewing
and making a documentary for television and we'll

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be there on Saturday talking to the
witnesses. So we are very excited about

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what he will uncover because he is
a guy that goes into things very deeply

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and is very resourceful and able to
uncover things that other people are not able

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to get to. So yeah,
that's great. So hopefully we'll have him

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on the show. That would be
nice to have that, That would be

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good. Yeah, I'd be very
excited to see him on the show.

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So perhaps later in the year once
the book is launched. And there's the

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cover of the book that will be
launched, and you said that was in

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September or sometime like that, right, it's July August? Probably? Yeah?

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Probably. Yeah. If you go
on Amazon or HarperCollins, you will

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see it and it will say I'm
pretty sure it says July there. So

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this one question, I know I
probably asked you this before, but I

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do know that I have a really
big audience in Australia per capita compared to

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the US or any other place.
You have like something like twenty six million

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people and it's one of the top
listening countries to lower Australians. And why

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why would you suppose is it just
not taboo there or why do you suppose

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some very taboo? It's very that's
why they're watching. Maybe that's why they're

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listening. It's taboo. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, it's I think even

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especially under people over fifty five sixty, you will mention the UFO or you,

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if you're associated with UFO, you're
seen as a nutcase. People under

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under the age group don't see it
that way. But uh yeah, I

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think the witnesses they suffered their whole
lives and we're told that they were delusional

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and hallucinated, and these people are
not that at all. I've met them.

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They're really, really straight people,
really honest people. And what about

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the other things that people consider paranormal? I don't. I don't really consider

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um, you know, UFO is
paranormal myself because they're so you know,

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often seen, and they are something
and there's so much evidence that something is

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going on. But what about the
other paranormal I mean, do you have

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the YETI there the big Foot or
I mean anything like what we do.

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It's not something that I know much
about. Yeah, but I mean as

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I talked about in Australia or is
it the taboo thing as well as UFOs

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everything. It's very fringe, very
very fringe. Yeah. There is a

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version of the big Foot, yeah, that I think is prevalent in forest

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areas, such as where stories come
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like in the Sydney area around the
Blue Mountains. It is very very thick

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forest and people have reported encounters or
incidents with what we call in Australia the

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yaowie. The indigenous people have their
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they belong to. But that's not
an area that I can really talk about,

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because, like you, paranormal is
interesting, but not anything much that

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I've delved into as much as I've
delved into westall. Yeah. Yeah,

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Now, I think a lot of
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mostly coastal occupied, and then you
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miles and miles of not much,
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there are some in that area.
There's there are some UFO encounters, a

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lot of them. Yes. Well, the state that I come from,

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that I was born in, South
Australia is very sparsely populated. There is

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the Womera Test Rocket Range used to
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believe that satellites are now being launched
from that space spot, that it's a

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space organization that is known in Australia. There's a very big no fly zone

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that the military have got in South
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the state is you can't get into
it. Firstly because of the Marlinga atomic

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testing. So a lot of the
radio that a lot of the area in

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the desert is very radioactive because of
the British atomic testing. So that's one

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reason. And the other reason is
who knows what's going on and what's being

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tested. It's sort of like an
area fifty one of Australia. So yeah,

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people who go into the outbat and
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do report seeing strange things. Also, there's a guy called Damian Knot who

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who lives in far North Queensland.
I think in the out back there and

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he has got a lot of photographs
and a lot of m has had a

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lot of experiences. He would be
an interesting guest for you, actually if

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you like Jamie not Yeah. So
he don't forget that name. I'll have

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to sorry, I said, don't
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So he apparently is collecting a lot
of data. U. Yeah.

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So, but if you'd like to
see more or more closely, we'll have

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to get a copy of the images
I've created, please go to my website

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Iremprevin dot com. All right,
we will put that in the show notes

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along with these images. Irene,
thank you so much for getting up extra

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early for me. Pleasure. Lovely
to see you again. You about always

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all right? Take care sure bye? All right everyone, Now we have

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our guests coming on from Pennsylvania and
Dan Gordon. Welcome to the show.

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Stan, Thanks Martin, thanks for
having me back on the program. Yeah,

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I know you. I'm trying.
I was trying to figure out how

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many times you've been on stand but
a number of times in the beginning.

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So the show is coming up on
ten years now, you've probably been on

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This is probably your tenth time.
So and uh, I remember when I

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was doing the Everything Else show,
we talked about other topics and other than

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UFOs. It was very interesting,
and I think you and I have basically

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worn out the Kecksburg story, I
believe, don't you think at this time?

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Ah? Yep, there is so
much other activity going on, including

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a recent wave of activity here in
Pennsylvania. But yes, I received reports

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year after year all year round,
and there's always continuous UFO reports. So

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there's a lot of amazing cases going
on out there. Wow. Yeah,

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So let's let's talk about what's what's
going on. First of all, for

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the person who has missed you,
Like I mentioned Irene when I first brought

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her on, and I say it
a lot because it's true. I get

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emails from new listeners all the time. They're just starting to look into the

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UFO topics. So can you give
them a quick nutshell in your background please?

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Okay? Well, I started this
when I was ten years old back

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in nineteen fifty nine as a young, interested, young fellow who just happened

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to be listening to a radio show
that was talking around Halloween about unusual occurrencies.

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They were talking about hauntings and flying
saucers and strange happenings, and I

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went to the library started reading about
the subjects. That's how I got involved.

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I was sixteen years old nineteen sixty
five when the textbook UFOs and it

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happened about twelve miles from where I
live. I started documenting that case from

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the time it happened during that evening
and I've been involved in that case ever

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since. In the late nineteen sixties, I got involved with a group called

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the UFO Research Institute of Pittsburgh.
I was the youngster in the group,

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as I recall, that's where Stanton
Friedman started with a small group of professionals.

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He was working at Westinghouse at the
time, and they had a UFO

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group they started, and even though
I was young, I always had a

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lot of experience in interviewing witnesses.
So I became the telephone side and coordinator.

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So when a call would come in, I would get to obtaining the

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information and interview the witness and determined
if the case warranted further investigation. And

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I stayed with them, so they
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I set up a hotline for the
public to report UFO sidings and it's

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been active ever since, and it's
still busy through today. And in nineteen

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seventy at time the first of three
volunteer research groups. The first one was

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called the Westmore County UFO Study Group. It started here in Greensburg, PA,

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and we moved to the Pittsburgh Aream. By nineteen seventy three, I

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had a setup that we respond the
cases across the state. The group was

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kind of unique and that the majority
of people involved were specialists. We had

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scientists, engineers, technicians, jee's
pilots and police officers and former military people

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and all kind of specialists who volunteered
investigative reports around our regular jobs day and

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night. And by nineteen seventy three
we were very very busy and two hours

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surprised. We were getting a lot
of referrals from the news media, the

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state police, another agencias and so
we were very very busy. And that

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led up to nineteen seventy three when
we had that massive UFO and even bigfoot

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wave here that I'm sure you may
want to talk about, yes, right.

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One of the things I mentioned in
the text in this show is and

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I have heard You're not the first
one to bring this up, but I

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have heard of the big I'm sorry, I shouldn't be laughing. I shouldn't

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not be laughing, But the big
Foot in UFO connection, it just seems

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so wow. I guess that's why
I'm laughing. And I do remember someone

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on this show years ago mentioned that
there was not only a case that involved

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bigfoot in a UFO, but there
was a woman who claimed that she saw

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this big orb come down in some
field or something like that, and out

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of it came a big foot.
So but I just think we're talking about

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two very elusive things that we have
no physical evidence of, and you know,

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it's just one of these bizarre things. But tell me what you have

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uncovered and discovered when it comes to
the connection between the two. Well,

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it's a very long story. It's
becoming more and more prevalent, not only

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in Pennsylvania but throughout the country.
I started writing about this back in the

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nineteen seventies, and I was in
touch with people throughout the country and around

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the world back then and ever since, and many many people, both the

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UFO community and a big Foot community
have kept this very low key because of

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what you're just discussing. The UFO
people didn't want to associate UFOs a bigfoot

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and vice versa, and that was
to me. I mean, as an

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investigator, I don't have any I
don't know what the answers are to the

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phenomena. I was now looking for
these type of things. So let's go

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back to nineteen seventy three when this
all started. This all started, actually,

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this massive UFO wave started January first, seventy three continued to the last

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day of the year. And you
got to remember, nineteen seventy three,

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there's no internet, there's no cell
phones, but the local news media,

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the newspapers around here and across the
state, and then something nationally began to

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pick up a lot of these reports
and Pennsylvania and art investigations, and then

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in the fall of seventy three had
the massive UFO outbreak. It really hit

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the newspapers across the country. But
it was busy all year in Pennsylvania.

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We had hundreds and hundreds of UFO
reports coming in. So we're not talking

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about the cases that we could identify. There were many misidentifications. As a

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star today, we had satellites or
we entry a space debris, meteors,

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lights on aircraft, balloons, all
kinds of things. You could identify,

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but there are many many cases we
could not, and many of those sightings

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as they continue today, but you
don't hear much about the news. But

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many of those sightings of seventy three
were large structured objects seen very low to

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the ground. We had them hovering
over highways, pacing cars. We had

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incidents on the pennsylvating the Turnpike,
there were landing reports. I mean,

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it was just an amazing time to
go through. And my teams are out

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there day and night investigating these cases
and many, many multitudes of credible witnesses

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from all type of backgrounds. So
we were busy just investigating all these UFO

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reports. And then in the summer
of seventy three we had the largest outbreak

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of bigfoot sightings ever documented, and
that went on too early seventy four.

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In fact, there have been bigfoot
sightings document in Pennsylvania every year since then.

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And many of those Bigfoot reports it's
not like you see on television.

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Many of those cases we had were
very close range observations. Some of them

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were in daylight. Sometimes we had
more than one creature scene together, and

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in many cases my teams would get
out to these incidents and there would be

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physical evidence at the scene. We
made many casts of footprints, for example,

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And I was not looking for these
type of reports. I mean when

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I knew about Bigfoot back in the
days. I started investigating back in the

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sixties. From when I knew about
Bigfoot, and there have any history in

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Pennsylvania, around the country, and
around the world. They were likely some

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type of unknown primate. That's what
I thought. Well, I had no

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idea what was about to unfold.
So once again you're gonna remember a lot

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of these reports come in from widespread
areas to people had no Facebook in those

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days or Internet. They had no
way to know other people reporting. Many

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of them recalls were initially coming into
the police departments. These people had no

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reason to make up the story,
and some very odd things began to come

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to our attention. One of the
first things we've noticed was when our teams

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would get out to some of these
locations were big would have been seen.

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They'll betrols the footprints under different ground
conditions, including fresh snow, and they

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were far for a disc and then
it was suddenly stopped and vanished and disappear,

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and there was no way in the
conditions they were found that could have

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been fabricated, and then it got
stranger and stranger. We interviewed witnesses who

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in daylight we're seeing these large,
tall, hair covered creatures. They see

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him standing in a particular location at
instantaneously these creatures physically vanished and reappeared a

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short distance away, And then it
got stranger and stranger. We began to

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see a pattern. We'd have a
UFO sighting in a certain area with a

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menaced hours of days later you have
a big foot sighting, or vice versa,

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and then things began to show up. Case began to show up where

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we had a big foot and UFO
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One of those cases occurred north of
Pittsburgh in September of seventy three,

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when two people were outside up in
the country lading for a friend to pick

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them up. They see the seven
eighth foot tall, hairy bigfoot creature with

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white hair, which you don't here
about that often, but it's still being

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reported. And they're strange enough to
see this large hairy creature running across the

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road, but in one of his
hand is carrying a glowing ball of light,

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and a short time later that I've
just comes across the sky and projects

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a beam of light down until the
woods where a creature ran into. Well,

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I've got much more interesting when more
cases coming in, and probably the

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most significant, one of the most
significant cases occurred up in Fayette County,

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which I'm sure you talk about.
The Fayette County area here in southwest Pa

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continues to be when the most active
area is probably in a country year after

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year for UFOs and bigfoot and crypton
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But this case, it's a very
detailed case, and I can give me

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just a short synopsis of it.
October twenty fifth, nineteen seventy three.

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There are numerous UFO reports coming out
of my heartline from around the state.

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It was about ken thirty that night
I got a call from a state trooper

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from Untontown Barracks. He had just
come back from investigating this incident and he

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said he believed it was possible there
was something stop in the pasture. He

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wanted me to go one of my
teams up there as soon as possible,

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which we did was late that night. We've got our radiation equipment, our

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cameras, and our equipment together and
headed up and found our way up to

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rural Fayette County, and what we
found out was that about fifteen people that

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evening nine o'clock or so that evening
they observed a barn sized red sphere about

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one hundred feet off the ground,
slowly moving downward and the farmer's sign it

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was on his dad's property. He
was riding down the farmer to come up

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and visit his family and he sees
this thing in the sky and other people

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staying outside watching this thing. It
looks like it's coming down. He goes

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to a higher location get a better
look at this thing, and it looks

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like it's actually landing on his dad's
pasture. So there were two young boys

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and he decided they were going to
go up and see what this thing was.

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He stopped over his dad's farm,
grabbed the thirty odd six a handful

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of ammunition. He didn't know at
the time, but hadn't that handful of

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him or there were two tracers,
so for the fells out there at the

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hunt when they fire them, and
they just got luminous trail, and he

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has they're riding down the farm road, the dogs around the air going crazy.

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He had this high pitched whining noise
and these loud baby crying sounds,

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and they're getting louder and louder to
get closer towards the pasture. As they

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parked their vehicle, they angled their
truck up with the lights on. They

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get a little pathway to come up, and they noticed looked like something is

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draining the power from their headlights.
They had never noticed before. They find

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their way up to the top of
the pasture. It's about two hundred and

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fifty feet away. This object is
now on the ground or right above it,

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but now it looks like there's about
a hundred feet in diameter. It's

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like a big white dome. It's
like a half a sphere. It's making

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00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:59.480
this loud, whining sound and as
illuminating the whole area. And they just

409
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:01.680
stand. They cannot believe what they're
seeing, and they're watching this thing,

410
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:07.319
and then their attention is drawn.
It's about seventy five feet away to a

411
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:13.480
barbed wire fence. Along that fence
that these two tall hair covered creatures of

412
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.000
one or fronts about eight feet tall. The other was about seventy feet tall,

413
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:21.200
long dark hair hanging off the body, no neck. The arms are

414
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.359
so long and hanging down past the
knees almost to the ground. They have

415
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:28.400
a luminous, glowing green eyes and
making the baby crying sounds. Well.

416
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.559
The one young boy so frightened he
ran out of the field. The other

417
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.440
one starts yelling at him to start
shooting at him, shoot at them,

418
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.400
and he fires his first shot,
which is a tracer. Nothing happened.

419
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:42.480
He fires the second tracer, and
when he does, the largest of the

420
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:47.119
two creatures reaches out his right hand
as to grab that tracer, makes us

421
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:52.119
loud crying whining sound, and the
exact moment it does that, that large

422
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:58.400
object in the field vanishes and disappears. It doesn't take up it just physically

423
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.799
is gone. Mostly loom Nation has
gone. The sound stops, The creatures

424
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:06.599
turnarounds, are walking along the fence
line back towards the woods. The fall

425
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.519
task point is using live ammo with
his thirty odds six, firing right into

426
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:14.719
him with no effect on it whatsoever, and they run back to the truck.

427
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:16.679
They go to the home. They
tell a family what happened. They

428
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:20.719
take him to a neighbors that called
the state police. The short part of

429
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:23.599
the story is the trooper rise about
forty five minutes later, he goes up

430
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:28.039
into the field and what he told
me was that the whole area where the

431
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.320
object was on the ground was self
luminescent and glowing, but one hundred feet

432
00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:35.679
or more in diameter. He said
the farm animals wouldn't go near it.

433
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.559
He said if he had a flashlight. Rather, he said if he had

434
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:42.880
a newspaper. He believed he could
have read the newspaper in the light coming

435
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.559
off the globe. And anyhow,
again a shorter part of the stories.

436
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:50.599
They went back to the barracks.
Both the trooper and the witness was separately

437
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.119
interviewed. Then they called me to
send up my team, and then things

438
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:57.480
got much more interesting during the night. We don't have time to even get

439
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.079
into. That was the case that
was very well done, documented, investigated.

440
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:04.760
That was the case that made us
realize my team and I, but

441
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.960
we're dealing with something as much stranger
and the case has got much more unusual.

442
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.360
And if you want me hear the
one case is very very strange and

443
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:16.039
shows you the UFO and Bigfoot connection
and something much stranger. I'll be glad

444
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:20.159
to tell you about that one.
Yeah, let's hear. This is really

445
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.760
fascinating yeah, I'd like to hear
that. But before we move on,

446
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:29.559
though, can you explain the team
that you mentioned. Are these like all

447
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:34.719
volunteers that you have found over the
years that helped research take this serious enough

448
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:38.519
to volunteer their time or is that
what it is? Oh? Yeah,

449
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:43.000
well again that it was many years
ago. I've been we're searching as independent

450
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.519
researcher since November of ninety three.
But during the seventies and eighties and much

451
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:52.159
of the nineties, we had we
had various research groups going and we were

452
00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:54.320
very active. I mean, we
had training meetings almost every month, we

453
00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:59.599
were out in the field constantly investigating
reports. And a lot of these guys,

454
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:04.000
I mean are a perfecional scientific people, and I learned a lot from

455
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.239
these fellows how they operated, and
men and women both. I mean we

456
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:12.719
had businesses, chemists, geologists,
you know, pilots, all kinds of

457
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.880
specialists involved doing this research. And
the group became very well known at the

458
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.199
time, and that's why we're getting
so many reports in so but we all

459
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.400
had our regular full time jobs.
Yeah, yeah, how about that?

460
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:28.760
Is that is great that you put
that much effort into it. Nagis wants

461
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.400
to know have you ever had an
experience, and I'm guessing like either a

462
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:37.000
bigfoot or a UFO experience. I
don't know if we've ever talked about that,

463
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.039
Stan, have you had an experience
of your own? And this will

464
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:44.280
surprise a lot of people. This
will be sixty two years of research this

465
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:47.199
here. I have never seen a
UFO or a bigfoot myself. Surprisingly,

466
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.480
I have seen a lot of interesting
physical evans out investigating out in the field

467
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.719
over the years. I've been out
since nineteen sixty five out in the field

468
00:36:55.719 --> 00:37:00.960
doing investigations. I see it is
a really interesting things. Over the years,

469
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:07.360
and interviewed multitudes of witnesses and investigated
multitudes of amazing cases, some of

470
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.840
which we can talk about. But
I have never had my own personal encounter.

471
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:15.920
You know that that's wonderful. I
think that is perfectly fine if you

472
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.840
ask me. And I know I've
brought this up on the podcast before,

473
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.159
but you know, there is another
podcaster out there who was on my show

474
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:27.960
years ago in twenty thirteen, and
he said, you know, he got

475
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:32.880
interested in UFOs because of a book
they read by Stan Freeman, and now

476
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:37.880
he invented his childhood sighting talks about
it all the time on TV shows and

477
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:44.239
everything else. So it's I think
that people feel like they have to embellish

478
00:37:44.280 --> 00:37:50.480
themselves to their past to make them
more taken seriously in this or whatever.

479
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:53.199
And I really respect the fact that
you say that you never had one,

480
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:58.880
but there's really something to it and
you have a fascination with it, and

481
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:07.440
that's enough. So thank you for
that anyway, because I you know,

482
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.440
I had my one experience. I
had something else that happened, but I

483
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.639
still I guess that's what made me
have a fascination as I had. You

484
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:20.480
know, something happened. It wasn't
tremendous either, it was, you know,

485
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:22.719
after some of these sightings that I've
heard over the years. It's kind

486
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:28.440
of boring. But anyway, I'm
glad you do the work you do,

487
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.920
and that really is amazing. You
said your phone line has been active since

488
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:37.760
did you say in nineteen sixty nine? As correct, and it's it's continues

489
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.480
to be busy, and it's been
very busy in the last few weeks because

490
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:45.800
we've had this very interesting surge of
activity throughout the Western PA and other parts

491
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.880
of the state. So I've been
very busy the last week four came in

492
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.599
actually very early this morning from up
in Cambria County, up in around the

493
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:58.639
Johnstown area. Can you can you
talk a little bit about that or is

494
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.960
that something you can't discuss that.
No, it's not a real close report.

495
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.000
But the witness of thought is very
familiar with aircraft. He happened to

496
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.039
be walking his dog early in the
morning and he said, this thing,

497
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.800
whatever it was, he said,
he said, I know aircraft. This

498
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.840
was no normal aircraft. He said, if you took a dice and you

499
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:22.840
looked at the five dots on a
dice, and he said, there was

500
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.320
those five dots. They were all
white lights, non blinking, non flashing.

501
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.719
There was a red one behind it. It was less than a thousand

502
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.440
feet off the ground, he said, completely silent, moving quickly across the

503
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:37.880
sky. But he said it was
very, very fascinating, whatever it might

504
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:39.320
be. And when we've been getting
other reports up in that area after the

505
00:39:39.400 --> 00:39:43.599
last few years. But some of
the other reports, I mean, what's

506
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:45.920
been going on and witnesses or rather
your listeners, they can get to my

507
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.840
website which is Stan Gordon dot info
and they can read a report I have

508
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:54.519
on my website now about it.
But just to go over what's been going

509
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:58.079
on. And I mean, the
last few years have been quite busy,

510
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.400
but this serves is kind of interesting. It was kind of quiet during the

511
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:05.360
winter, which is normal, and
it began to pick up. But it

512
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:10.119
seems like it was the end of
February this year that things began to be

513
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:15.000
very and March has been very,
very active. So in early March there

514
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:20.840
were three waight circular lights and a
training look configuration reported from camby account Jeben

515
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.519
reports their Trainler shape objects from other
locations, a daylight observation of a large

516
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:30.079
black rectangular object reported from Bedford County
reports a large glowing spherical object. Some

517
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:35.079
was seeing at low level and close
to homes, right objects moving strap to

518
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:38.400
the night sky and disappearing, signings
of small spheres of light that are close

519
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:43.840
to the ground that are continuing to
be reported, and residents some different location

520
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:49.400
reporting unusual luminous objects are being recorded
on their game and security cameras. And

521
00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:54.000
I've been in touch with other researchers
as well. One album is Dan Hagman

522
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:58.920
up at the Butler Organization for Research. He got explained up in Butler County.

523
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:04.920
He said he been receiving multiple reports
of steers all over Bubler County during

524
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.480
March, and some of the reports
he got are very very interesting. One

525
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:14.920
in particular was March eleventh. Man
was in his kitchen when he began to

526
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:19.280
throw a strange vibration and hurt a
low rumble. Realized that the sliding glass

527
00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.800
story to his deck was vibrating.
He looked out the door and noticed a

528
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:27.000
very bright, very large, pulsating
around object just above the trees at the

529
00:41:27.079 --> 00:41:30.159
edge of the yard. The light
from the object illuminated his backyard as it

530
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:34.239
was in the middle of the day. He stepped out on the deck and

531
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.480
was awestruck by what he saw.
At that time, he found the tingling

532
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.039
sensation. His hair stood up an
end, and he had chill bumps on

533
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:44.320
his body. He called to his
wife and hurried inside to get a camera.

534
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:45.719
When he came back, it was
gone. I mean, this is

535
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:49.960
just an example of some of the
things that have been going on. Wow,

536
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:55.320
that is really amazing. Now,
would you would you consider Pennsylvania?

537
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:59.519
I know that not Chestnut Ridge.
What do you call what's the ridge called

538
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:04.400
there? Oh? Yeah, Chessnut
Ridge is one of the most areas of

539
00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.760
the country. I've been investigating saying
that since the sixties, when I started

540
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:10.920
hearing about it. Year after you
including this year already phenomena is going on.

541
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.079
It's one of the most active areas
in the country for UFOs, bigfoot,

542
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.880
cryptis and other phenomena. And well, the Chestnut Ridge is not one

543
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:24.239
small little area. It runs through
Westmoreland, Fayette and Indiana County and southwest

544
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:30.719
PA goes down to Preston County,
West Virginia outside of Morgantown. But the

545
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:37.000
Westmoreland and Fayette County side are very
active year after year, a lot of

546
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:42.199
very strange phenomenas going on, and
it's just amazing. And many of those

547
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.159
sightings during that seventy three outbreak we
start talking about, there was a lot

548
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:49.400
of focus on those areas where a
lot of these cases were going on.

549
00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:53.719
Well amazing. So what I'm gonna
do, Stan, is I'm going to

550
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:59.000
pop up some questions that come in
from the chat room and as we go

551
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:00.400
along, because we're not going to
be able to take calls of phone calls

552
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:06.800
unfortunately because of the way we had
to bring you in on the phone here,

553
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.400
And so what do you think of
the Patterson film? What are your

554
00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:15.800
thoughts on that. That's the California
film. I think I can't remember what

555
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:20.239
you're in the sixties, right,
that's correct, And yeah, of course

556
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:23.760
I've not been involved directly an investigation. I've read about it for years and

557
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:28.079
years. I've read different reports on
it, and I've seen a lot of

558
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.719
videos and a lot of alleged pictures
taken a big Foot and a lot of

559
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:37.000
them not real clear. But of
all the of all the films and all

560
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.880
the data that I've seen, that's
the one that still appears to be something

561
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:43.800
that can be considered janeuine, and
from what I know about it, I

562
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.239
think that's probably very legitimate. There
have been pictures taken around here in game

563
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:52.559
camps that miss people have never seen
their private people haven't released them, who

564
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:57.079
had them. I think they're they're
probably legit, but they don't show enough

565
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.679
the cameras. They only show a
certain angle or section of what might be

566
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:05.199
a body with hair handing off.
But I think there have been some problem

567
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.159
with said that pictures taken. They
just are not very clear, right.

568
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:13.039
Yeah, I know that there's been
so much analysis over the years, and

569
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.199
you can find a lot of things
online. When it comes to that,

570
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.559
UM, and I'm going to pull
up this is for the person that is

571
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:22.840
not familiar that's watching on YouTube.
I'm going to try to make this happen.

572
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:30.000
I'm gonna pull this up for a
screen share here. But it's they've

573
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.760
tried to, uh, you know, try to debunk it. It's been

574
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:38.599
a really tough one to debunk.
Um. Let me just bring the whole

575
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:45.920
thing up here a second here.
UM. And when when they when I

576
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:47.679
say they try to debunk it,
they try to uh, you know,

577
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:53.079
they're checking the uh. Something is
strange about this. I think this is

578
00:44:53.119 --> 00:45:00.480
one that was worked on basically,
um. But anyway, they tried to

579
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.920
to bunk it and they just can't. They haven't been able to, which

580
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:09.760
is pretty interesting because it doesn't meet
the anatomy of how you would expect a

581
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:15.800
human and a costume could or anything
like that. It just doesn't work right.

582
00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:20.079
And let me I want to explain
one thing what I've been talking about,

583
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.559
and we haven't really gotten any great
detail yet. We could talk for

584
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:28.679
hours and hours about these cases,
but I'm not suggesting that Bigfoot is a

585
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:32.800
passenger or a pilot of a spacecraft
from a rather planet. That's not the

586
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:37.599
point we don't know what we're dealing
with. Even with the UFO phenomena as

587
00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:40.599
many theories, nobody knows for sure. I've learned a lot about you the

588
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:45.079
Bigfoot phenomena and the evidence more and
more it's reluctant, as I am to

589
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:49.199
say it, but for lack of
a better term. We might be dealing

590
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:52.159
with something which is interdimensional, and
I'll give you a case for it here

591
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.639
in a minute. And we're dealing
with a phenomena both with certain at least

592
00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.360
some types of UFOs, and they
put in some times I'm finding that have

593
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:05.320
a physical and a non physical component
to them. They can come into our

594
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.679
reality at certain times. People see
them. Sometimes it looks physically solid.

595
00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:13.920
Sometimes they're not completely physically solved.
They can leave evidence and then they're gone.

596
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.760
We're dealing with a phenomenon that's so
beyond our present scientific understanding. I

597
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.719
don't think anybody understands, including the
government. But if you like, I'd

598
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:24.039
like to tell you about this one
case. That was the case. It

599
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:29.480
convinced me that we're dealing with something
it's very unusual. Yeah, absolutely,

600
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:34.559
go right into it. Sure,
this goes back to that massive wave in

601
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.719
seventy three, seventy four, and
this again, it's way in the mountains

602
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:42.360
of Fayette County, Pennsylvania, February
sixth, nineteen seventy four. I remember

603
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.639
the case very very well. I
was up at the site earlier the next

604
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.719
morning, and the reason I couldn't
get up there that night is because,

605
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:53.599
and some year listeners will remember this
period of time, there was a big

606
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:58.760
national trucker strike. There was gas
rashing around the country, so I couldn't

607
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:00.880
get gas to go up there.
There was a violence on the highways across

608
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:05.719
the country. So in Pennsylvania,
the National Guard and the State Police were

609
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:09.599
patrolling together. Some of those fellos
from both units responded to this incident.

610
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:15.079
So what happened February six seventy four. This woman lived deep in the mountains

611
00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:19.320
and a little cabin homes. She
lived there in the country all her life.

612
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.760
She knew animals very well, was
a very good shot. She's sitting

613
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:27.679
there as the normal that he didn't
be watching television when she heard this noise

614
00:47:28.239 --> 00:47:30.440
on a little front porch. She
had some pop cans out there. Someone

615
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:35.440
was knocking the pop cans around.
While a few weeks before there was a

616
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.679
pack of dogs while dogs that have
come through the area, says she figured,

617
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:40.840
I bet the dogs are back,
says she thought, you know what,

618
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.480
I'll just grab my shotgun and I'll
shoot over their head and together as

619
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:49.800
dogs away. So she goes over
and she had a sixteen gays double brell

620
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:53.480
shotgun. She loaded one chamber.
She went over, turned on the switch

621
00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:57.360
to turn on the outside porch.
Sly she steps out, turns on the

622
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:00.960
switch and as she steps out,
there's no dogs. At six feet away

623
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:05.920
in front of her, it's this
huge at least seven foot tall, hairy,

624
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:08.920
gray hair covered bigfoot. And as
soon as she turned the light and

625
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:13.039
I put his arms straight up over
his head. What does she do?

626
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.920
She fires right into it with her
shotgun. She said. There's this brilliant

627
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:22.360
burst of light, like a flash
on a camera, and it physically disappears

628
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.920
right in front of her. Her
in laws lived a hundred feet away.

629
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.159
They heard the gunshot. They called
her, asked her what she was shooting.

630
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.920
Actually explained to him. Her son
in law grabbed his pistol. There's

631
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:35.840
running down that dark road towards her
cabin. He said he was sounded by

632
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.320
four or five hairy people with eyes
like coals of fire, starting shooting at

633
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:44.159
him. Randomly runs into the home
and it rose. Around that time,

634
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:46.480
there is this large object with numerous
lights on it, like a big Chris's

635
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:51.159
ornament, hovering over the woods.
At the same time, that's when they

636
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:55.480
called the state police. And I
talked at a primary investigator and he said

637
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:59.639
by the time they found the place
way up the mount everything was gone.

638
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:02.840
However, he said something very strange
was going on up there. He said

639
00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.119
two of the witnesses, he said, they were very very shook up.

640
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.599
They appeared to be telling the truth. They were very very upset over the

641
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:15.039
whole situation. But he said,
what was so unusual with the animal reactions,

642
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:21.920
And this is very common UFO cases
and also with many many bigfoot reports.

643
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:24.719
In many cases, even the most
ferocious dogs, when they're closing these

644
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:29.199
creatures, there's just like paralyzed in
fear. They will not bark, they

645
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.079
don't move, they shake, they
cow or they hide. That's very common.

646
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:34.960
But he told me, he said
when he got up there, there

647
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.920
wasn't a sound. They had several
big dogs that they're none of them bark

648
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:43.719
or made a sound. So horses
are acting unusual. The cats in the

649
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:45.840
house. There was a little baby
and they're very very shook up. They

650
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:52.320
said that baby never cries like that
ever before. And he said one of

651
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:53.880
the dogs was in a cage.
I think it was an eskimos bits and

652
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.960
he said he went over and tried
to pull that dog out of the case.

653
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.360
The dog wasn't barking or moving.
Should have ripped his hands and arms

654
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:05.400
off and just crashed from my parable, and it didn't even move a barkow.

655
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:07.039
Now, when I got up there
early next morning, we agreed to

656
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:14.280
by the dogs all barking loudly,
and we found the bb pattern in the

657
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:17.920
tree out in the wood straighten lined
from the porch where the woman shot at

658
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:22.519
it. That was the case among
others that were similar. They began to

659
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.599
indicate it. We're dealing with something
is but it's physical and non physical,

660
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.519
and these cases are continuing around the
country and around the world. And we've

661
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.360
had numerous incidents in the last few
years in Pennsylvania, which is just amazing.

662
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:38.760
And again you're beginning to hear more
about this now. In the last

663
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:43.440
couple of years have been several very
good new books from around the country where

664
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:46.960
other researchers are talking about these same
type of cases things I read about in

665
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:51.519
the seventies, now that people were
beginning to look at it much more.

666
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.039
You've heard about the skin Walker ranch. Well, a lot of these things

667
00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:58.360
are very similar to skin Walker.
And where a lot of people don't realize

668
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:02.480
is that there are places not only
here in Pennsylvania. Just two I'm ongoing

669
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:07.079
right now. Then I'm aware I've
involved with where has been a history of

670
00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:14.320
ongoing phenomena where the phenomena seems to
focus on a particular location, a particular

671
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:19.119
residence, a certain area. And
you have UFOs, you have bigfoot,

672
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.840
you have cryptids, you have strange
balls of light, you have paranormal phenomena,

673
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:29.320
and various people are observing these and
experiencing this phenomena. And I can

674
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:31.960
tell you this one case. It's
I've got involved with a month or so

675
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:37.079
ago, and it's fascinating where this
has gone on a property up in northern

676
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:40.360
PA. And I know in recent
weeks and I've seen some of they have

677
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:47.000
some very very good night vision and
other camera and other videos of some of

678
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:52.880
these glowing balls are white and low
in the woods. Wow, all fascinating

679
00:51:52.920 --> 00:52:00.599
stuff. We have Brandon the owner
of skin Walker and Travis Taylor as coming

680
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:04.719
up on May fifth. He's in
the skin Walker ranch on the night or

681
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.079
their debut of this season premiere.
They're coming up on May fourth. They're

682
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:10.920
going to be on the show to
talk about that. It's pretty fascinating.

683
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:15.519
It's a little plug to get their
show started, of course, but I

684
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:19.440
did I did want to throw that
out there. And while while I'm talking

685
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:23.199
about that, we Lou Alexando.
I mentioned I was coming up and people

686
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:27.000
have been asking me when that is, and that is going to be on

687
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:30.239
May eleventh. He's going to be
on for a full show then, So

688
00:52:30.400 --> 00:52:34.599
get your questions ready for Lou Alexondo
when he comes on. So we are.

689
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.079
We are ready in just a second
to go into break. But I

690
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:42.199
kind of wanted to set this up
and I wanted to talk more about this

691
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:46.239
and just to follow up in the
last story that you told in your thoughts

692
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:51.239
on this. Of course, we're
all it's all just theories and thoughts anyway.

693
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.880
But I remember speaking with Paul Eno. He runs a show, a

694
00:52:55.960 --> 00:53:01.639
paranormal you know UFO show on the
radio, and I think it's in a

695
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:07.199
Rhode Island and he is his thoughts
are exactly what you're talking about. He

696
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:13.960
thinks that it's definitely he thinks that
along with UFOs or most UFOs have this

697
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:19.320
interdimensional type of situation snapping in and
out of a reality, including ghosts,

698
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:24.800
which I think is quite quite a
thought, you know when when people talk

699
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:30.599
about it, certainly would explain a
lot of things. So anyway, we

700
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.679
are ready to go into the break
and we'll be back with you. Stand

701
00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:40.440
We're gonna take you out and we
will be bringing you back in after this

702
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:45.599
about a four minute break. And
how I'm setting this up, as I

703
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:50.000
put in here, I haven't even
watched this. This is this is kind

704
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:54.639
of scary, but I'm putting up
raw footage of when I interviewed Francis Cheramuda.

705
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:59.559
He was one of the Arial School
witnesses. So I'm gonna be playing

706
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:05.280
that unedited. I'm going to cross
my fingers at it. It things are

707
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:07.800
not in there that should have been
added out. And it'll be just under

708
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:12.960
four minutes. So for those over
you here over in YouTube, you're going

709
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:15.840
to get to watch that. And
for those of you in KGr A radio,

710
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:22.239
we'll be right back right after these
messages. You're a good looking guy.

711
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:27.320
You look great. I love your
hair, man. Um. It's

712
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:32.960
it's it's kind of difficult now talking
from a position because now that I've done

713
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:40.079
a regression that is the freshest memory
of um sort of like the events that

714
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:45.360
I now have, because this kind
of brought to light a few details that

715
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:52.159
I otherwise before it did not have, or details that might have disappeared within

716
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.519
the time of the event, and
obviously us going through life and growing up,

717
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:05.199
but you know, details, small
details like the lights and how now

718
00:55:05.239 --> 00:55:12.360
I have a clear picture of their
being. These spheres and these spears were

719
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:16.039
about my size, you know,
the size of an adult human, right,

720
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:22.920
and these spheres were kind of rotating
around the craft and an anti clockwise

721
00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:32.320
motion, and they were glowing bright, bright white. Yeah, kind of

722
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:37.079
kind of the way I look at
it. The light that a lot of

723
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:44.079
people were seeing were being emitted by
these spears, right, And as we

724
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:50.480
kind of progressed through the story,
they kind of switched behavior in a way,

725
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:55.880
and as if they were being repelled
by magnet. One at a time,

726
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:02.800
the spheres shot off in different directions
right then leaving the craft itself,

727
00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:08.119
which because there was no light now
shining on the on the craft. You

728
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:14.800
could tell it was a silver sort
of color of the craft. And um,

729
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:20.840
yeah, this is the most vivid
and direct memory that I actually do

730
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:24.719
recall, you know, from the
regression and from past memory as well.

731
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:32.519
Now, did you actually see what
other people had seen as far as like

732
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:44.119
the being, Yes, I did, um by account they were actually three

733
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:52.559
beings. Um. Two of them
m kind of remained within the line of

734
00:56:52.559 --> 00:57:00.920
sight from the playground to the craft. And another one, which is also

735
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:07.880
one of my most vivid memories,
was one of the beings actually darting from

736
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:15.360
the craft towards the direction of the
swimming pool, the swimming pool which was

737
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:22.360
probably about two three, four hundreds
to the left of the playground. And

738
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:28.519
the most peculiar thing was the way
in which it moved, because it almost

739
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:36.679
felt as if it would disappear and
appear a few meters ahead of itself,

740
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:40.920
you know, almost in a blinking
fashion and not in the normal linear fashion

741
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:45.960
that you'd expect someone to be moving, you know. And did you see

742
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:49.920
it like they looked like it was
floating. I've heard other people say like

743
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:53.920
it they never saw it actually touched
the ground. No, in in this

744
00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:59.880
case, like I was saying,
it would just be the appearing and disappearing,

745
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.800
So I would just want to guess
and say, yes, it probably

746
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.639
looked like it was floating, but
at no point did it ever look like

747
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:13.119
it was physically running, if I
could say that. M how about that?

748
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:19.039
All right, welcome back everyone.
So that clip for those of you

749
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:24.000
on YouTube, that was Francis Chermuda
about the aerial school incident and went on.

750
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:30.079
This was a part of an interview
that I did several months ago.

751
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:34.039
He is in Madagascar and a great
guy. I was glad to be able

752
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.039
to interview him. All right,
uh Stan, we're back. So right

753
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:43.840
before we went into break, we
were talking about the possibility of interdimensional beings

754
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:49.280
as as a possibility. I know
these are all theories, but as there

755
00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:53.320
are other cases that makes you also
you know, confirms us more. Oh,

756
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.280
there are so many different cases.
I mean, it's just incredible.

757
00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:00.280
And what we have to look at
what Londy's UFO reports. I mean,

758
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:05.679
we have many, many reports of
these objects to suddenly physically just appear.

759
00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:10.119
They take on various types of shapes, some appear to be solid metallic.

760
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:15.800
Sometimes we're getting reports of like a
mist or fog around them at times,

761
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:21.400
but sometimes the physically changed for him
and then they're suddenly gone. And I

762
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:23.760
mean we've had numerous cases, even
in teas in the last few years.

763
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:29.199
I mean there have been numerous cases, especially large cigar shaped objects. I

764
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:31.599
guess some people we want to call
them tic tac shaped objects. Let me

765
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:37.840
just read you a few short reports
from twenty nineteen. This is from outside

766
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:40.599
of Pittsburgh in August. Beautiful morning. Me and Samuel on a sports look

767
00:59:40.639 --> 00:59:45.360
of the sky about three thousand feet
up. Series appears to be silver,

768
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:50.400
solid oval or football shaped fat in
the middle which short ends about eighty feet

769
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:54.599
long about sixty feet wide. The
object's hovering begins to move southeast and to

770
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:58.840
his right, over top of his
head. The objects completely silent. There

771
00:59:58.880 --> 01:00:01.880
was no wind at all that it
began to suddenly and slowly vanish. Her

772
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:06.599
faith from the back end extended to
the front section when it was gone from

773
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:10.440
site observation about five minutes. About
ten minutes later, a similar object was

774
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:15.840
seen and it was gone soon after. Hold On, I got a whole

775
01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:22.840
bunch of pages here, pages of
reports from Fayette County in September four twenty

776
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:28.239
in the morning, cigar shaped object
estimated four to six thousand feet high,

777
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:31.760
no sound, slowly moved by gliding. Eight to ten lights in a row,

778
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:37.559
round red and color blinked on and
off. Also two large white lights

779
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:42.320
about one hundred seat in length.
Something like a fluorescent tube came out of

780
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:45.360
the object when it went below it, then it went back up into it,

781
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.360
then it dropped back down and was
gone. Now that's really interesting because

782
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:54.840
I'm gonna go over a report that
happened along the Chestnut Ridge in July of

783
01:00:54.920 --> 01:01:00.480
twenty nineteen. So this is in
the hotbed area along the ridges outside of

784
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:07.239
Atro, Pennsylvania, and that evening, two people were traveling along the Youngstown

785
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.519
side of the ridge when it was
a very clear night and the pasture and

786
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:14.159
the car yelled out that the driver
one of those lights in the sky,

787
01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:19.039
and he pulled over and looked up. The past year was confused because what

788
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:24.079
she first saw looked like a glass
tube cylinder among bright lights. It seemed

789
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:28.639
to be covered with a smoke or
a haze. The cylinder appeared to be

790
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.880
attached to a very large V shaped
object with several rows of different colored lights.

791
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:37.480
The driver stopped the car, and
it was amazing, look at this

792
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:42.159
thing that's hiving about sixty feet above
the trees. The V shape was made

793
01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:46.000
above a numerous small rectangular shaped white
lights. Those lights were glowing blue,

794
01:01:46.119 --> 01:01:51.920
brightened dimo times. He estimated about
fifty or more of those lights, and

795
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:57.480
the object itself about forty in length. It was about the smaller lights where

796
01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:01.239
four larger round lights that were strobing
orange, blue, red, and green

797
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:06.760
in color. The brightness of those
colors appeared tail compared to the smaller rectangular

798
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:10.119
lights. These lights that seemed the
stroke of left the right, and there

799
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:15.079
was a larger light that produced a
beam that was scanning the sky above the

800
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:19.239
object as it hovered. The driver
put down the windows as it continued to

801
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:23.800
watch. They were amazed that this
large object was completely silent. And he

802
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:28.079
said, all of a sudden,
now the radio was off in the car.

803
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:30.440
And he said, all of a
sudden, the electronic system of the

804
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:34.159
car was having a seizure. He
said, the radio was off, but

805
01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:38.039
they suddenly began heard this odd clicking
sound inside your car. But they were

806
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:42.599
unable to locate where the sound was
coming from. At that time, they

807
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:45.400
noticed that the dash lights were dimming
on and off with the beat of the

808
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:50.119
clicking sound. He also was having
trouble with a sofa and the signal was

809
01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:54.320
dropping out. They watched the thing. They were got very very shirk up.

810
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:57.840
They were very upset over what they
were seeing, and they decided to

811
01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:00.000
leave. They said they were in
awe they and believe what they were seeing.

812
01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:04.880
As they began to ride down the
road about thirty miles an hour,

813
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:08.760
suddenly animals began running out of the
woods as though they were frightened. He

814
01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:12.760
said, first the deer ran out
right in front of the car. This

815
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.679
guy's experienced outdoorsman and hunter. He
said he's never seen a deer look so

816
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:21.280
dazed and confused. Moments later,
another deer ran out short distance down the

817
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:24.199
road. A bird he hit the
car windshield and as it conded down the

818
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:28.760
road, more animals came out of
the woods. And interestingly, about a

819
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:34.719
year later, I get a call
from another fellow who he remembered that particular

820
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:37.119
date because something was going on in
his life. He said he was a

821
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:40.239
few miles away on the opposite side
of the Ridgins the same night, and

822
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:44.840
he believed the same object covered over
his vehicle and shot a beam light down

823
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:49.079
onto his vehicle. That's just an
example of the many, many kind of

824
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:52.760
reports we've been receiving, and these
are the kind of reports that are continuing

825
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:55.440
to go on. But he don't
hear about the news because the witnesses won

826
01:03:55.519 --> 01:04:02.079
no publicity. Did that actually stall
his vehicle as well? No, it

827
01:04:02.119 --> 01:04:05.400
did not, but the radio was
off, it did not stove his vehicle.

828
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:11.280
But I have head cases where that
has occurred. And also interestingly,

829
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:15.400
there as many aspects of the bigfoot
phenomena that are very unusual that I've looked

830
01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:18.119
into, and many people never heard
about it or won't talk about it.

831
01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:25.639
But besides having electromagnetic effects where UFOs
hoverm near cars and the headlights go out

832
01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:28.280
or power goes out and they move
off and the power comes back on,

833
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:32.480
the same thing has happened in some
bigfoot cases where big has ran out near

834
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:36.119
a car and there are the power
lost in the vehicle, or when the

835
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:40.960
creatures run off the move away,
the power comes back on where the power

836
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:45.800
regains in the vehicle itself. Wow, that is so puzzling. That's that's

837
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:49.920
almost like makes you wonder if there's
you know, I'm going to go way

838
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:55.199
out there and just say, if
there's some type of way to travel through

839
01:04:55.559 --> 01:05:00.599
another dimension, if you use a
certain type of power that would affect things

840
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:08.159
in that other dimension, you know, like sort of like there's anti matter,

841
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:13.039
kind of like anti power or something, you know. I mean it's

842
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:16.760
bizarre, Yes, it's all bizarre, but it's only you can only look

843
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:24.119
at these things with speculation. That's
it. Nobody has any answers. Again,

844
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:27.360
I think we're dealing with something it's
so beyond our present understanding right now,

845
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:30.880
which is why so many people laugh, because if you haven't had your

846
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:33.639
own personal experience. I deal with
people all the time. I mean very

847
01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:38.639
educated people from people all kinds of
backgrounds. Most of these people didn't believe

848
01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:41.440
any of these things could exist,
whether it's a UFO or a Bigfoot,

849
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:45.280
until they had their own experience.
And for so many people it was a

850
01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:48.000
life changing event. And some man
these people I've been in touch with from

851
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:51.199
twenty thirty forty years ago, and
even today, some of these people still

852
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:56.119
can't deal with it. But we're
dealing with something as very unusual as a

853
01:05:56.199 --> 01:06:00.360
physical and non physical component to it. But the one pattern I found years

854
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:05.920
ago is many low level close range
UFO encounters, and many encounters with bigfoot

855
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:12.920
and other cryptids calmly occur in the
vicinity of high energy sources. So many

856
01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:19.119
incidents occur around power stations, high
pension power lines, radio communication towers,

857
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:25.199
gas wells, gas lines, and
railroad tracks, reservoirs, goes on and

858
01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:29.400
on and on. There's definitely an
energy connection to the phenomena or whatever it

859
01:06:29.480 --> 01:06:34.239
might be. And uh, you
know, I mean you mentioned, you

860
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:41.679
know, Skinwalker Ranch earlier, and
there were the scientists on site that claimed

861
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:45.599
they saw this creature like a bigfoot, come out through what appeared to be

862
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:51.400
a portal that all of a sudden
appeared and closed up, which is wow.

863
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:58.239
I mean, this is all mind
bending stuff and fascinating. And they

864
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:02.239
weren't They didn't film it. I
don't remember what the reasoning was behind not

865
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:09.719
filming that particular situation, but yeah, it's really fascinating. What do you

866
01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:15.239
have other stories as well that,
you know, kind of dovetail similar to

867
01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:20.360
this. Yeah, we could talk
for hours. Okay, there are many,

868
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:24.960
many pieces. This is exactly what's
been going on around here and again

869
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:29.760
in other parts of the country.
And and I'll give you an uninteresting case.

870
01:07:29.800 --> 01:07:32.000
But here's something that a lot of
people have never talked about, are

871
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:36.320
know very little about. It plays
a part in all this phenomena. You

872
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:42.760
know, we're always talking about these
large cigar shaped objects and triangular objects,

873
01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:47.639
and then more recent here's large rectangular
objects are being seen. But I've been

874
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:53.119
doing what I call many UFOs since
the nineteen sixties. These we continue to

875
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:57.679
occur, and they are so much
more interesting and maybe more important, because

876
01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:00.199
these are not our objects that are
seen high in the guy. These things

877
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:04.800
are low to the ground. They
become very very close to people. There

878
01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:10.079
have been incidents where they've entered people's
homes and closs or open windows and going

879
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:13.599
out, sometimes right through the vehicle
wall or right through the wall of the

880
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:17.800
house. I had one case years
ago Northern p I remember many years ago

881
01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:21.680
a woman told me she was cooking
in the kitchen one day. The window

882
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:28.119
was opening when these small little spheres
came in floated around the kitchen, and

883
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:30.760
her reaction wo she grabbed the room, started striking it. She said,

884
01:08:30.800 --> 01:08:34.000
are broken. The two identical little
spheres they float around once that got the

885
01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:40.319
window. But their objects I'm talking
about, they're generally spherical, but not

886
01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:45.159
always. They're generally I mentioned two
to a foot to two in diameter to

887
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:50.800
sometimes solid metallic looking. Sometimes they're
transparent or translucent, and sometimes they're just

888
01:08:50.960 --> 01:08:57.600
bright light sources of different colors.
And they're very very interesting, again because

889
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:01.239
it comes so close to people.
And I'll give you a couple of examples,

890
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:05.479
and I think you'll find some of
those cases are very very interesting.

891
01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:14.159
But here's here's one of these small
cases of one of these small objects that

892
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:19.800
is not a sphere. This happened
just in This goes back in twenty seventeen,

893
01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:25.840
I believe, and this in Fayette
County, even count called Fayette City.

894
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:28.640
It was earlier morning, and a
man who has got up early to

895
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:30.680
wearing up his wife's car so you
can go to work and have a nice

896
01:09:30.720 --> 01:09:35.039
warm car. And the whole area, the whole patiot there was illuminated.

897
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:39.840
The lights were on. He's walking
down the steps towards her car, and

898
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:44.520
about ten to twelve feet away by
the right bumper, he sees He said,

899
01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:45.640
I don't even know how to explain
it. He said. This thing

900
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:50.319
was about two feet tall, shaped
like a haystack. The object was translucent,

901
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:54.800
shiny and a milky white color.
There were vertical ribs that seemed to

902
01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:59.640
be superstructure that looked like chrome straws
that be seen through the translucent structure.

903
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:02.800
The object, which was silent,
was gliding one to two inches off the

904
01:10:02.800 --> 01:10:06.520
ground and was motionless when he first
saw it. He said, whatever the

905
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:11.880
object was, several seconds later,
it must have detected he was there and

906
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:15.279
he was only about six feet away
from it had suddenly zoomed extremely fast across

907
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:19.680
the driveway to the left side of
the car, made a perfect right angle

908
01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:24.319
down along the driver's side where it
was dark in that area of the garage,

909
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:29.439
and he never saw it again.
That's very very interesting. Here's the

910
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:33.840
case from twenty nineteen in Daylight from
one of my research assos because Jim Brown

911
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:39.399
up in Fayette County. He investigating
the incident in November of twenty nineteen where

912
01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:43.640
a man was on his way home
that afternoon and he's going up the rise

913
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:47.439
of a road and he sees his
ball, this ball on the ground.

914
01:10:47.920 --> 01:10:51.840
It's about two feet across and was
blocking the road. He couldn't get home

915
01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:55.800
unless the ball was moved. He
didn't know what this thing was. It

916
01:10:55.800 --> 01:10:58.840
couldn't figure it out, So he
decided he got it out of the car

917
01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:03.479
and started walking towards it, and
he had just shut the door and began

918
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:06.479
to purchase, and he said they
began to physically fade away. In a

919
01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:11.720
few seconds, it completely banished,
and then it disappeared. It never moved,

920
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:15.439
dis faded away. And he had
no idea what this thing was,

921
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.239
but he said it was so re
gray in color, just a sphere about

922
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:25.239
two feet in diameter. And that's
the kind of reports that people are coming

923
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:30.159
up with now. You know.
One of the things I think of when

924
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:34.520
when it comes to the small and
the size of the UFO shouldn't really matter

925
01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:43.399
that much, but I think of
like a drone type situation these things considerably.

926
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:49.960
Is the opinion of these that they
are intelligently operating on all of these

927
01:11:50.079 --> 01:11:55.600
or most of these. Well,
again, these we push go back many

928
01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:57.960
many years. I mean, when
I first heard about him, I thought

929
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:01.119
that we're could be building whatever they
are, there's some type of remote device

930
01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:05.840
that's setting back some type of data, whether there's audio and visual or boat

931
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:11.520
to another source. So whether they
some type or remotely controlled objects. And

932
01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:16.039
of course now you've got these navy
reports of something going on, and I

933
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:20.640
don't know what's going on, but
it gets much more fascinating because these small

934
01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:26.760
spheres of light they keep reappearing in
areas we have repeat activity. I'm sure

935
01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:29.520
when you talk about the skin walker
rine, they probably will talk about some

936
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:32.680
of those. They are appearing in
other areas around Pennsylvania, around the country,

937
01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:38.359
but in more recent years, not
only in Pennsylvania, from around the

938
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:40.720
country, and if you're going to
the internet, you'll see more and more

939
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:45.079
discussion about this bigfoot. Researchers are
out in the areas that have a history

940
01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:49.920
of bigfoot encounters, and many of
those people, including in recent weeks here

941
01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:56.039
in Pennsylvania, are reporting seeing these
unusual spheres of light or other weird light

942
01:12:56.119 --> 01:13:00.439
phenomena that they cannot explain. So
now you've got this, and for example,

943
01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.000
let me give you this report.
This is outside of Pittsburgh and this

944
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:10.439
just happened in May of twenty nineteen, early morning hours. This man happened

945
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:13.640
to look out his windows and I
believe the kitchen looked out the back window.

946
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:16.560
It was illuminated, the outside was
illuminated pretty well from artificial lighting.

947
01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:20.359
He sees a small big foot.
We get those reports two about four and

948
01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:25.479
a half to five feet tall.
It covered in dark hair, with long

949
01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:28.880
hair on the head and the back
walk on two legs. The arms are

950
01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:32.920
down past the knees. He could
see the arm swinging. The creature had

951
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:38.279
a long stride, and it went
through a neighbor's yarady into a wooded area

952
01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:43.520
and had passed right into this particular
woitded area. About three seconds later,

953
01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:48.239
right at that location where entered the
woods, a bright sphere of light about

954
01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:53.880
three to four inches diameter suddenly appeared. The witness said it was like looking

955
01:13:53.920 --> 01:13:56.840
directly into the front of a flashlight, about four feet off the ground.

956
01:13:57.359 --> 01:14:00.720
The light then moved a short distance
about three seconds and vanished a few seconds

957
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:04.520
later, the light reappeared again about
ten feet away, and this time the

958
01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:09.439
small seri emitted a bright beam of
light about ten to twelve feet long.

959
01:14:09.760 --> 01:14:12.359
A few seconds later he had vanished, And that's the last you saw of

960
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:15.359
it. So these are the kind
of things that are going on, but

961
01:14:15.560 --> 01:14:19.319
you hear very little about it.
With this also have to do with um.

962
01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:24.239
You know, there was there was
someone his name was Terry. I

963
01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:30.439
forgot his last name. He was
doing research on the orange orb phenomenon.

964
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:36.760
Is this along the same lines you
mentioned different colored lights or whatever, but

965
01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:44.760
is it the orbs as well as
part of this? And I'm not exactly

966
01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:48.840
sure what case you're referring to,
but I mean these orange lights, I

967
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:53.359
mean they're ranged again for anywhere from
a niche or two in diameter to one

968
01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:57.920
or two foot in diameter approximately,
And again they're generally sphirical, but not

969
01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.439
always. But going back to the
seven these, if I remember from Washington

970
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:04.960
State in other areas, there was
a lot of reports coming in of these

971
01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:10.479
strange spears of light orbs of light
in the trees low level where bigfoot activity

972
01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:15.000
was going on. And as I
recall, going back to nineteen seventy two,

973
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:18.720
when I first began to hear some
the indication if something like this is

974
01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:21.680
shown up in seventy three turned up
and we began to see a lot of

975
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:27.520
reports. But some people said they
were like oversized fire prize, very close

976
01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:30.399
to homes and the bushes low to
the ground. And I remember a bigfoot

977
01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:35.239
researcher told me from a few years
ago there was an amazing case with a

978
01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:42.640
big foot where up in Fayette County
where this creature. Actually, the two

979
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:47.720
dolls in the car were sitting in
the vehicle because this bigfoot, the seven

980
01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:51.640
eight foot tall creature, had come
down the hillside was standing twenty feet in

981
01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:55.760
the road right in front of them, and neither one was moving. They

982
01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:58.680
were staring each other. Had glowing
red eyes, which is very common,

983
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:02.520
a lot of reports of luminous eyes
of various colors. And they actually slowly

984
01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:11.159
moved her car forward and had they
actually had the vehicle actually was touching the

985
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:14.359
knees of this creature and it turned
I had his hands on the front of

986
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:16.640
the vehicle, and then it turned
around, start walking down the road and

987
01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:20.640
went off into the woods. But
within the week a number of bigfoot investigators

988
01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:24.960
were up to that site, and
various ones You put us in these strange

989
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:28.560
lights in the sky. But I
remember one telling me about what looked like

990
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:33.199
a very large swarm of these large, oversized fireflies, and they would be

991
01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:38.840
in big swarms, but interestingly,
as they're moving, they're illuminating in the

992
01:16:38.920 --> 01:16:42.880
whole area around it. And he'd
tried a couple of times, I recall,

993
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:45.680
to go towards it. Every time
he moved towards it, the swarm

994
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:48.359
would move away so he couldn get
near them. So there's a lot of

995
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:54.119
things out there that are very unusual
going on. Wow, the luminous eyes,

996
01:16:54.359 --> 01:17:00.760
that is so wild. And I
know I had Frank Fashino on talking

997
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:03.680
about the Flatwoods monster, and that's
one of the things that you know,

998
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:10.039
whatever that was had luminous size as
well. Really bizarre. There's just take

999
01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:15.920
a quick jag. Dave Altman's in
the chat and listening and he was asking

1000
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:19.479
if you could talk about the dragon
encounter. You must be familiar with what

1001
01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:30.560
he's asking. There have been a
number of reports from Pennsylvania, and I

1002
01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:33.960
probably need to clarify this a little
bit. There have been many reports are

1003
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:36.800
went for a better term, we
called thunderbird sightings for years and years,

1004
01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:44.000
going back to maybe the eighteen hundreds, but there have been some significant reports

1005
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:49.840
of these giant oversized birds even the
last year. Some of the reports indicate

1006
01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:59.399
this thing has twenty foot wings band
and anyhow, they look like an oversized

1007
01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:02.439
turkey vault. As I said,
they're gently dark brown or black. And

1008
01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:12.560
there's other reports though within that subtitle
of thunderbirds, they're not just oversized birds.

1009
01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:16.399
There's other people reporting that some of
these things are like leathery, leathery,

1010
01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:21.000
giant quite often black bats, huge
black bats that some of these people

1011
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:30.760
were seeing. And then you've got
these other reports of what some people swear

1012
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:36.840
they've seen that look something like a
pterodactyl, like prehistoric birds. So those

1013
01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:42.720
are very very intriguing. I think
the case he might be talking about happened

1014
01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:46.960
back twenty twelve again up in Fayette
County, where so many very strange things

1015
01:18:47.000 --> 01:18:54.760
have happened. And this fella was
walking his dog that evening and they had

1016
01:18:54.800 --> 01:19:00.720
some outside lights on and he was
tension was drawn upward after they heard like

1017
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:06.479
this whooshing sound from overhead. And
I believe he sells about fifty fifty feet

1018
01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:12.680
or so away he sees something.
He said it looked like a dragon that

1019
01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:16.800
passed over the automatic dust to dawnlight. And he said the thing had a

1020
01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:20.520
body about twenty two feet long with
a week span by eighteen feet wide,

1021
01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:26.319
looked shino and almost reflective body with
no scales, and the color was dark,

1022
01:19:26.600 --> 01:19:30.319
kind of a brown or red color, similar to auburn brown. He

1023
01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:33.479
said, on the wings that appeared
to be talon like fingers by three to

1024
01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:38.159
four number the wings were quite thick
and not like skin, appear to be

1025
01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:41.760
a rear fin on the back side
of the body cruised display an airly head

1026
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:45.520
shaped tail, and appeared to be
He could see the two extended rear legs

1027
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:49.399
on this thing. He said.
The weirdest thing was that there was an

1028
01:19:49.399 --> 01:19:56.239
illumination aminous orange glow around the mouth
and eyes, and the creature flew down

1029
01:19:57.159 --> 01:20:00.680
over the trees, down further into
the yard. He said, it made

1030
01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:04.960
it sound like a foghorn on a
boat. And there have been some other

1031
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:11.640
reports so something as people swears like
a dragon, and then the reporters get

1032
01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:15.399
weirder and weirder. I mean,
there are so many unusual creature reports.

1033
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:19.119
Who are working I'm actually I'm working
on a script for a book right now.

1034
01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:23.279
If some of the weird word things
been reported over the last several years,

1035
01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:26.680
and some of these are very very
bizarre reports. But what we call

1036
01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:31.520
or what people began to call now
the gargoyl Abutler County gargoyle. This was

1037
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:35.000
from twenty eleven. I interviewed this
witness many many times. A guy who's

1038
01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:41.319
very professional, he's a businessman,
and he was riding up in Aboutler County

1039
01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:45.039
early one morning, late in the
early one morning, between Shakur and East

1040
01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:48.760
Brady and his headlights catch this thing
in the field to us right, and

1041
01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:53.239
he thought it was a deer.
And as he approaches closer, this things

1042
01:20:53.359 --> 01:20:57.399
rises from the ground, takes three
big steps and finding him and off into

1043
01:20:57.479 --> 01:21:00.720
the woods. It went across the
right into the woods. When he interviewed

1044
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:03.199
him the first time, he went
on to say that he said, I

1045
01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:06.560
know people talk about bigfoot. He
said this thing was not a big foot.

1046
01:21:06.640 --> 01:21:10.239
He said, this thing is at
least eight foot tall, but it

1047
01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:13.800
was covered with a smooth, level
like skin. It was either dark tin

1048
01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:16.760
or light brown. And he said
the head appeared to be flat, kind

1049
01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:23.399
of like an aerodynamic helmet. The
face was flat, the eyes were kind

1050
01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:26.720
of curved back the ear and he
saw up on the one side the ear

1051
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:31.199
was left side was long and flat
and went backwards something like a flap.

1052
01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:34.119
But he said the arms were muscular, a little longer than that of a

1053
01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:39.800
human. The hands had claws,
and he said what really stuck out was

1054
01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:44.560
it had very muscular legs. And
he said the legs did not move like

1055
01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:46.399
that of a human. They looked
like they were bent backwards, and he

1056
01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:51.439
said it had appeared to be wings
on its back which were tucked into its

1057
01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:57.159
body, with the wingtips extending towards
the side of its head. And with

1058
01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:00.319
this day, a number of other
people in the same year reported other sightings

1059
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:05.119
as well. It's almost like,
you know what you're describing little bits of

1060
01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:12.439
it sound like the people have described
Mothman as well. Yeah, I mean

1061
01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:16.840
there's some similarities to it, and
yeah, it's just fascinating. And that

1062
01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:20.680
doesn't even get into some of the
strange reports we've had for the last several

1063
01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:25.399
years. And this goes on year
after year. People are seeing these things

1064
01:22:25.439 --> 01:22:30.720
and even stranger things that continue to
be reported. It's such a strange phenomena,

1065
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:34.199
and like I said, uncovered a
lot of strange things about Bigfoot,

1066
01:22:34.239 --> 01:22:38.439
but it goes further. And when
your friend, I think you mentioned your

1067
01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:43.039
friend was talking about glowing sphere or
whatever, or somebody talked about ghost lights

1068
01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:46.479
or whatever. The more is looking
this phenomenon, and the more people I've

1069
01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:50.720
talked to over the years, there
is some similarity and there may well be

1070
01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:56.159
some association with other types of parent
normal phenomena as well. We just don't

1071
01:22:56.239 --> 01:23:00.640
understand it, but a lot of
what the people in the parent normal field

1072
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:04.039
is investigated with these balls of light
or orbs of light and other phenomena.

1073
01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:10.800
There's some strong similarities with some other
phenomena that I'm finding with Bigfoot in UFOs.

1074
01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:14.840
And believe me, my journey in
this field did not was not in

1075
01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:17.399
this direction. I wasn't looking for
this. This is what the people begin

1076
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:21.600
to report years and years ago.
And when so many different people who didn't

1077
01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:26.039
have any way of knowing each other
over many years, begin to give it

1078
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:30.720
these little details and then you begin
to see these patterns. You can't just

1079
01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:33.760
throw this out and eliminate it.
I don't understand it. Like I said,

1080
01:23:33.760 --> 01:23:38.039
I think as a way beyond anybody's
understanding right now. But I think

1081
01:23:38.039 --> 01:23:41.600
it's going on. I think it's
very likely the government that is a lot

1082
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:45.159
more about any of this various phenomena. But UFOs are Bigfoot. They're telling

1083
01:23:45.159 --> 01:23:47.640
the public, but I don't think
they have the answers either, right.

1084
01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:51.680
Yeah, I've said that many times
on this show. Now, what about

1085
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:56.279
let's talk about the You know,
some of the witnesses that come forward,

1086
01:23:56.399 --> 01:24:03.239
how reluctant are they to really open
up and speak to you. And that's

1087
01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:08.359
my A. And the B side
of this question is are there every like

1088
01:24:08.560 --> 01:24:17.680
really large groups of witnesses seeing these
things? Yes, and yes, people

1089
01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:21.479
from all walks of life have come
talked to me. And I'm not the

1090
01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:25.000
union. They maybe have talked to
other researchers too, But I deal with

1091
01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:29.319
these people quite often. And I
remember, probably the last three years,

1092
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:36.600
I interviewed independent several experienced hunters and
outdoorsmen, all who had different experiences,

1093
01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:40.479
different locations. I mean, some
of these guys, I mean, these

1094
01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:44.359
guys are probably your thirties and forties, spent years out in the woods,

1095
01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:47.000
and I mean these guys out there
and I remember why I was trembling with

1096
01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:50.600
tears coming out of his eyes and
he just could not deal with what he

1097
01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:55.359
saw. I mean, some of
these people screams and cries to her from

1098
01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:59.279
these creatures what they saw. I
mean, their lives were changed. I

1099
01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:02.840
mean I can think of many people
over the years that I'm still in touch

1100
01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:08.560
with who never never would have believed
that these things could take place or be

1101
01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:12.399
real. And some of these guys
have spent their life was going on hunting

1102
01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:14.800
and going to the woods, and
these guys have told me I'll never go

1103
01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:16.399
back up in the woods again.
I mean, that is the kind of

1104
01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:20.399
things that are going on, and
it's just amazing. The whole point is

1105
01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:25.680
this, and we haven't even touched
on some of these other strange creature reports

1106
01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:30.239
that have been coming in that you've
got all these different unknown creatures, and

1107
01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:35.520
yet we cannot possibly have so many
tape unknown species out there, like you've

1108
01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:41.640
got so many different credible people with
different backgrounds from different areas that don't know

1109
01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:45.279
each other, tell us the same
stories, the same details over the years,

1110
01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:48.840
you can't eliminate the reports. So
we have to be dealing with something

1111
01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:53.079
that we just don't understand right now. And again, I'm saying, for

1112
01:25:53.119 --> 01:25:56.800
a lack of a better term,
could be interdimensional. That whatever we're dealing

1113
01:25:56.800 --> 01:26:00.319
with, under certain conditions, they
come in and out of our physical lady.

1114
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:04.119
They can leave evidence of times and
then they're gone, and it's just

1115
01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:09.039
it's just gets stranger in stranger.
I mean, I just got an interesting

1116
01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:12.359
important here in the last couple of
hours, an investigator that just got a

1117
01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:15.399
whole report happened very recently. I'm
not ready to talk about it because they

1118
01:26:15.439 --> 01:26:18.119
need to go into it. But
it gets into some of these cases where

1119
01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:23.319
people were telling me that it's like
these things are like watching a predator movie,

1120
01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:27.319
like with Bigfoot. I mean.
I had one member of a family

1121
01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:30.359
who was riding down a road a
few years ago early morning, going to

1122
01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:36.359
work, and she wrote me a
several pages of report on it, extremely

1123
01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:42.000
reluctant to even talk to me or
anybody, and she said it was like

1124
01:26:42.039 --> 01:26:45.600
watching a predator movie. She said, We're going down the road and suddenly

1125
01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:48.279
this huge eight foot tall, hair
covered creature suddenly appears in front of the

1126
01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:51.960
car. It's going along the road. I can see from head to toe

1127
01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:58.840
and it's suddenly it's gone. These
things appear and disappear. I had another

1128
01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:02.840
case at the base of the dairy
along the chess Undridgs a few years ago.

1129
01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:08.760
Man's riding down the road that evening
and he said, about seventy five

1130
01:27:08.760 --> 01:27:14.520
feet away this about seven foot tall, very broad shouldered something. You can

1131
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.439
see the whole outline this thing.
It's very broad shoulder, kind of stooped

1132
01:27:16.439 --> 01:27:21.039
over. And he said, it's
like misty, foggy. It's not physically

1133
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:25.600
solid. I can see its shape
and it appears to be more floating or

1134
01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:29.520
gliding above the road into the field
and it's gone. And we've heard that

1135
01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:32.920
with bigfoot reports, the same thing, where sometimes it's running very fast and

1136
01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:38.279
looks physically solid, but we have
other cases where only parts of the body

1137
01:27:38.319 --> 01:27:42.439
is physically solid. Sometimes parts of
the body is out of focus, sometimes

1138
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:46.159
are misty or foggy. It's just
so bizarre. And it was only one

1139
01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:49.520
or two reports, he said,
it's imagination. But when you start getting

1140
01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:55.119
these reports from all over the state
and all across the country and from other

1141
01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:59.840
countries, then you've got to realize
there's something going on here. Yeah,

1142
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:05.600
that's right. It was Jane Goodall, the woman that lived among the apes,

1143
01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:12.119
you know, years ago. She
had actually thought that there could be

1144
01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:16.880
something to the bigfoot thing, you
know, because of people seeing it you

1145
01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:20.800
just mentioned in other countries, and
she went into all the countries where people

1146
01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:25.399
are acclaiming that they see that.
Getting back to the second part of the

1147
01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:30.760
question, are there any like mass
witness sightings or is it all just people

1148
01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:35.520
remotely in the woods that see things
like this. No, there have been

1149
01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:40.800
cases where there have been multiple witnesses, both with UFOs and bigfoot, And

1150
01:28:40.880 --> 01:28:44.680
you know, we talk about the
Phoenix Light case. The Phoenix lights case

1151
01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:47.279
from years ago, but here in
Pennsylvania, and let me sell my memory

1152
01:28:47.319 --> 01:28:53.520
is February. We was February of
ninety two Williamsport, Pennsylvania. There was

1153
01:28:53.600 --> 01:29:00.680
a mass sighting late afternoon over a
highly populated area and one or more of

1154
01:29:00.760 --> 01:29:04.760
these very large solid boomerang triangle objects
was observed very low to the ground.

1155
01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:10.399
You know, most UFO reports would
get these things make no sound, but

1156
01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:14.880
in some cases these things make a
terrific sound. This was like, according

1157
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:17.359
to people, it was like a
railroad car train coming up the road road.

1158
01:29:17.359 --> 01:29:21.039
There was no railroad and people were
running outside that day to see where

1159
01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:25.399
the sound was coming from. And
this thing was moving so slow. People

1160
01:29:25.399 --> 01:29:30.960
were walking underneath it and getting great, great observation to this thing, and

1161
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:33.960
it's made. This made a lot
of news locally in the small town papers.

1162
01:29:34.399 --> 01:29:39.920
You would have thought with the making
national news. It was a very

1163
01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:44.680
long, detailed investigation was done on
this thing, and nobody was able to

1164
01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:48.439
track down what this thing was,
but it was amazing. So there were

1165
01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:53.600
multitudes and witnesses there, so a
lot of cases I get. Yes,

1166
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:58.960
there are multiple witnesses and in lots
of cases. I'll get reports coming in

1167
01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:02.680
simultaneous sleep from other people in the
same area, or sometimes days or months

1168
01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:06.720
later, I'll get other leads and
other people coming forward and saying, yeah,

1169
01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:11.119
I saw that too, And we've
also had that with bigfoot case would

1170
01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:15.319
have been multiple witnesses involved. It's
not just one person. Many times there's

1171
01:30:15.359 --> 01:30:17.880
more than one witness. So many
of these cases that are coming in say,

1172
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:25.720
yes, that is not uncommon whatsoever. Amazing there was. There was

1173
01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:31.119
a Latrobe, Pa bigfoot sighting near
Saint Rose's Church in the nineteen seventies.

1174
01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:36.199
Are familiar with that one. Someone
wanted to know if you were, can

1175
01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:40.439
you can you repeat that again?
I quldn't he t I think he's spelled

1176
01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:45.640
it wrong. Lata trope but I
think it's latrope Pa back in the nineteen

1177
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:49.439
seventies. I'm sure. Yeah,
that's probably one of the many many cases

1178
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:55.359
I investigated. That's during that massive
bigfoot sighting. So Latrobe, Pennsylvania,

1179
01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:59.680
which is the hometown of Arnold Palmer, was an area. It's very close

1180
01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:02.279
to Tess nutter Ridge. So on
one side he got Youngstown. He had

1181
01:31:02.319 --> 01:31:06.439
the Dairy township which continues to be
a hotbed for phenomena. I had a

1182
01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:13.119
very good, interesting daytime bigfoot sighting
up on the ridge in February this year.

1183
01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:16.479
I interviewed the guy. He's been
a long time outdoorsman. He saw

1184
01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:23.199
the seven eighth foot tall, dirty
white, hairy bigfoot in daylight, so

1185
01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:26.920
just several weeks ago on Fort Saint. Didn't he even have a cell phone

1186
01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:29.800
or camera to take a picture of
it. But he saw somebody you'd never

1187
01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:32.319
believed that I never saw before.
And then we were getting reports of large

1188
01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:38.199
tracks up there along the ridge and
big tracks in the snow, but that

1189
01:31:38.439 --> 01:31:43.880
happens Kerry Carmanly up around there,
and there were many many signings around La

1190
01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:46.640
Trobe and day. The whole story
is my Silent Invasion book, which goes

1191
01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:51.000
into great detail about that massive wave
and seventy three, and my teams are

1192
01:31:51.079 --> 01:31:56.319
out there day and night during that
outbreaking seventy three, especially along that area

1193
01:31:56.359 --> 01:32:00.039
around La Trobe and Dairy and all
the small towns Hillside and New Dairy,

1194
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:03.199
and goes on and on and on, and there were many many big foot

1195
01:32:03.239 --> 01:32:08.039
sightings daylight as well as at night. There was a lot of physical evidence.

1196
01:32:08.119 --> 01:32:12.000
We found that some of these cases, there was just amazing reports coming

1197
01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:17.800
in and that area still continues to
be active with reports. Yeah, that's

1198
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:24.600
all fascinating, really really amazing.
And yeah, I had never heard that

1199
01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:30.239
story you just mentioned about the you
know, mass sighting of triangle. Did

1200
01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:34.600
you say there was more than there
were two two triangles that were seeing That

1201
01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:39.239
could have been more than one because
it was from a widespread area, came

1202
01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:42.239
in from more than one county,
but a lot of that was right around

1203
01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:46.560
Williamsport, Pennsylvania. Yeah, that's
right. And was it just a one

1204
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:53.399
was it a one day thing that
again? Was that a one time situation

1205
01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:58.199
or was it a repeat thing?
I believe from my remember. I could

1206
01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:00.199
be wrong, but I think it
was mainly a one time situation most of

1207
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:03.039
it. I think there may have
been some other sightings later, but I

1208
01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:10.079
believe that was mainly a one time
incident. And when you said earlier,

1209
01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:14.960
you said that these things are happening
all over the country, So you're you're

1210
01:33:15.000 --> 01:33:19.840
really are paying Besides trying to take
hold of all the investigating that you're doing

1211
01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:24.800
or involved with our people you know
are involved with, you're actually looking out

1212
01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:28.680
to see if there's similarities. Is
that is that what it is in other

1213
01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:30.600
places? Yeah, and I get
called them are over the country. I

1214
01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:34.800
mean, I do meanly in Pennsylvania. Yeah, I an ideal with people

1215
01:33:34.840 --> 01:33:39.159
from around the country. People call
witnesses, call me, investigators call me.

1216
01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:43.640
And for example, while this was
going on here in March, for

1217
01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:47.399
example, in PA, there was
another group down to West Virginia. They're

1218
01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:53.960
very active, and they had an
incident where in the afternoon a fellow who

1219
01:33:54.199 --> 01:33:58.920
was a nonbeliever, apparently in UFOs
So we saw in videotape. It's a

1220
01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:01.760
very good video of what you could
call a tick tack, a cigar shaped

1221
01:34:01.840 --> 01:34:08.000
object moving across the sky. And
I had a few other reports that same

1222
01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:11.439
day here in Pennsylvania. So things
are going on, I think in a

1223
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:14.239
lot of places. I'm hearing there's
quite been quite a bit of activity in

1224
01:34:14.319 --> 01:34:17.479
other parts of the country too,
But again I'm doing mainly here in Pennsylvania,

1225
01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:24.920
right. And since the lockdown or
so called lockdown over the year,

1226
01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:30.760
it sounds like things have increased there
is that is that the case? I

1227
01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:35.600
can't say increased, I can say
this is interesting. What's happened late February

1228
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:40.680
in March where we've had the surge
of activity. It's nothing like the seventies

1229
01:34:40.760 --> 01:34:43.680
with the hundreds and hundreds of reporters
come in, but there have been quite

1230
01:34:43.720 --> 01:34:46.239
a number of reports coming in.
But it goes like this and cycles.

1231
01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:49.000
I mean, since if you get
on our website and you can read some

1232
01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:53.960
of the past reports on there,
twenty seventeen has some very interest in cape

1233
01:34:54.000 --> 01:34:58.520
At twenty eighteen became very active with
Bigfoot and grew up on crypto cases.

1234
01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:02.159
Twenty nineteen was very very active with
reports them. Again, a lot of

1235
01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:08.800
these are detailed, close up observations
of various phenomena, And to my surprise,

1236
01:35:09.399 --> 01:35:13.039
twenty twenty has been quite active with
reports. I mean it's been steady

1237
01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:16.199
right through until we got into the
wintertime, which things slowed down even more.

1238
01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:21.359
But I was very surprised with the
virus situation of the number of reports

1239
01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:29.840
have been coming in. And Stan
your your website, uh you mentioned a

1240
01:35:29.880 --> 01:35:32.800
couple of times. I'm just going
to pull up for everyone to see to

1241
01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:40.000
check it out. It's uh Stan
Gordon as one word dot info. People

1242
01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:43.319
can check that out and like I
said, I'll pull it up here so

1243
01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:46.960
people can see it on YouTube and
it is shared in the show notes that

1244
01:35:47.119 --> 01:35:56.279
anyone can go ahead and see you
said that you are are working on a

1245
01:35:56.479 --> 01:36:00.680
book now, and it has to
do a lot with your saying the strange

1246
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:04.079
animals that were basically talking about a
lot of it tonight. It's going to

1247
01:36:04.159 --> 01:36:08.960
happen by a lot of these strange
creature different type of creature reports and UFO

1248
01:36:09.079 --> 01:36:12.239
reports as well, So there'll be
a lot of cases in there that a

1249
01:36:12.279 --> 01:36:15.159
lot of people probably had never heard
of before, and even some of these

1250
01:36:15.199 --> 01:36:18.960
cryptid reports that had never heard of
before. So I'm hoping that hopefully to

1251
01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:21.479
get it out in the next few
months, things to slow down a little

1252
01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:26.600
and got back stepped here with all
the activity and the virus situation around here.

1253
01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:30.319
So hopefully the next few months will
happen out. But these kind of

1254
01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:34.520
case are going on year after year, and it's then before I know about

1255
01:36:34.560 --> 01:36:39.840
the phenomenal stranger did I said many
many years ago the phenomenus as stranger.

1256
01:36:39.920 --> 01:36:45.720
It protects itself. It protects itself
in a way from people taking it seriously

1257
01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:49.439
because it's just so far out,
Is that what you mean? No,

1258
01:36:49.640 --> 01:36:54.399
Because it's so unusual that who's going
to believe unless you experience it yourself.

1259
01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:57.840
It's so unusual, just like when
we started the show. And that's a

1260
01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:00.319
lot of people are skeptical of these
kind of reports until they learn more and

1261
01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:04.840
more about it and realize there's something
going on here. There's something actually going

1262
01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:09.079
on. Too many people were involved
in this from all over the country.

1263
01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:12.399
To one note, publicity have nothing
to gain. I mean, why would

1264
01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:16.479
a police officer, an engineer,
a school teacher, a hunter contact somebody

1265
01:37:16.520 --> 01:37:19.239
privately, don't want their name out
there. They just want another anybody else

1266
01:37:19.239 --> 01:37:24.920
that ever, so anything like this
before, it's very common, right right,

1267
01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:30.199
Yeah, So you just mentioned police
officers. Do you have a lot

1268
01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:39.119
of police officer reports in Pennsylvania Over
the years, I've interviewed numerous police officers

1269
01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:45.520
who have seen everything from UFOs and
some experienced other strange incidents out there.

1270
01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:49.760
And I'll tell you once and I
think you'll find a stascinating because this is

1271
01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:56.439
another cryptid that's beginning to get reports
now from around the country. It's something

1272
01:37:56.479 --> 01:38:00.520
a lot different. And I got
this report from a police officer in twenty

1273
01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:03.439
seventeen in Pennsylvania. He called me
a short time after he saw this thing

1274
01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:10.840
while on patrol. And it's a
very very strange report. But within weeks

1275
01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:15.760
other people, without knowing about it, people began to report seeing something similar,

1276
01:38:15.239 --> 01:38:19.079
and now it's something similar is being
reported around the country. So this

1277
01:38:19.239 --> 01:38:25.359
police officer, he's on patrol an
area. They commonly would patrol these areas

1278
01:38:25.399 --> 01:38:29.239
at night, and he's ride down
this back road. He sees what appears

1279
01:38:29.239 --> 01:38:33.079
to be a ball of very dull
white light on the ground and he stopped

1280
01:38:33.159 --> 01:38:36.880
there because he's thinking, I don't
call any kind of artificial lighting around here.

1281
01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:43.119
And as he's looking at this thing, suddenly this ball of light rises

1282
01:38:43.239 --> 01:38:46.960
up from the ground and he realizes
that the ball of light is actually the

1283
01:38:47.119 --> 01:38:53.439
head of a very strange being about
six feet or taller. It would taller

1284
01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:58.439
on a skeletal thin It was completely
hairless. By the way. He said,

1285
01:38:59.399 --> 01:39:01.399
he believed his thing was laying on
its belly, lying on its belly

1286
01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:04.560
on the ground, with his head
facing towards the road. It stood up

1287
01:39:04.600 --> 01:39:08.920
facing the road. It was very
dark in that location. He saw the

1288
01:39:09.039 --> 01:39:11.960
dull light from the glowing he had
illuminating the upper section of the body.

1289
01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:15.800
He watched this thing turned to the
right, and then he said the creature

1290
01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:18.560
turned and faced him, then turned
to the left and took off at an

1291
01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:24.319
incredible speed away a location from the
road. As then moved off, he

1292
01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:28.359
said to witness be could see his
arms swinging, he said. He indicated

1293
01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:30.399
it took off at a speed that
he could only call abnormal. He said,

1294
01:39:30.439 --> 01:39:33.920
it moved fast and anything he'd ever
seen before. It was there and

1295
01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:39.000
then was gone. Interestingly, almost
the same words and some people describe with

1296
01:39:39.079 --> 01:39:44.439
Bigfoot and other cryptos where they appear
and disappear. And when it was gone,

1297
01:39:44.560 --> 01:39:46.000
he pulled his vehicle up and put
his spark light on. There was

1298
01:39:46.039 --> 01:39:48.760
no traction or anything here, he
said. This thing was at least six

1299
01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:53.279
feet tall. They had was at
eight to tennis doesn't diameter, shaped like

1300
01:39:53.399 --> 01:39:56.439
a ball, but it may It
had some egg shape to it, he

1301
01:39:56.560 --> 01:39:59.560
said. The light seemed to be
just a dull white. The light illuminated

1302
01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:01.800
the should orders the top of the
chest in a section of the arms.

1303
01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:06.039
The witness could not see the hand. The chest was about eighteen inches across.

1304
01:40:06.319 --> 01:40:11.319
The waist appeared to be small,
but the arms were unusually along the

1305
01:40:11.479 --> 01:40:15.600
long limbs look skeletal with no muscle
masks. The skin tone appeared to be

1306
01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:19.479
dull, grayish blue. He could
not see any facial features, and of

1307
01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:24.319
course he was very reluctant to report
it. But within a couple of weeks

1308
01:40:24.399 --> 01:40:30.439
later, I've had another report from
another person. I'm comely guessing I'd have

1309
01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:32.479
to look at a map. I
can't remember exactly, maybe thirty miles away,

1310
01:40:32.600 --> 01:40:36.680
forty miles away in another area.
And this person was outside, way

1311
01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:43.000
out in the country, and she
sees this large object covering over the trees

1312
01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:46.920
with multiple lights on, a rotating
bobbing up and dam. As this thing's

1313
01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:53.560
hovering there, she hears this really
weird screeching, screaming so coming from the

1314
01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:58.760
woods. She said it was like
an angry owl, a very loud,

1315
01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:01.159
steady, and like an angry noise, like an angry owl. And this

1316
01:41:01.279 --> 01:41:05.279
thing's still harbing there. And soon
after that she sees in the distance what

1317
01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:09.359
she thought was a neighbor coming up
out of the woods in her direction.

1318
01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:14.319
Soon realized this wasn't a person in
law, but she sees his basic human

1319
01:41:14.439 --> 01:41:18.199
form about five foot eight inches tall, has this kind of egg shaped The

1320
01:41:18.319 --> 01:41:21.079
color of the creature was on and
getting the pressure. It was very sickly

1321
01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:25.399
and in poor health. Looked to
be a very light cream to ivory color,

1322
01:41:26.279 --> 01:41:29.840
and there was no facial features except
around what beat a mouth areas seemed

1323
01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:32.039
to be a wrinkled down on one
side, brought to be thin, hairless.

1324
01:41:32.119 --> 01:41:36.000
So it's very similar to what the
policeman saw him. And then more

1325
01:41:36.079 --> 01:41:41.000
reports, and then I get a
report from Nullo Fella, whose homes is

1326
01:41:41.079 --> 01:41:44.239
basically in the woods. He's been
a woodsman all his life. He works

1327
01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:46.720
out in the woods. He knows
the sound of deer and other animals because

1328
01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:49.960
he lives with him. And he
said he was up in the woods behind

1329
01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:55.760
his home working and he hears his
bipedal sound to sound a very odd and

1330
01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:58.840
then scare him a little, say, sided down, go down the woods.

1331
01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:00.159
I'll go to the house and eat. So he goes down to his

1332
01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:03.720
home. He's down there. A
short time later. He's sitting at his

1333
01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:08.319
table, which is about ten feet
away from the back door that has no

1334
01:42:08.520 --> 01:42:14.800
drape on it so it's unobstructed,
and he sees this creature crouched down at

1335
01:42:14.840 --> 01:42:17.319
the door. He said, a
humanoid shape being with his hands and knees

1336
01:42:17.359 --> 01:42:21.640
steering directly at the witness. Creature
looked like a skelet skeleton cover with all

1337
01:42:21.680 --> 01:42:26.640
gray skin. The creature was down
on his gray, bony legs. The

1338
01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:30.000
legs looked similar to that of a
grayhund. The arms were very long,

1339
01:42:30.119 --> 01:42:32.000
bony, and hairless. The head
was round, the neck was small,

1340
01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:36.279
and the eyes were glowing a dull
yellow color. He has to me this

1341
01:42:36.399 --> 01:42:40.600
thing with standing by six or seven
feet tall, he could see it spied

1342
01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:44.159
protruding as it moved. It crouched
down and went across around the house and

1343
01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:46.479
was gone. That's the kind of
things that are going on. But you're

1344
01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:50.399
not going to hear about it in
the news. Couh No. You know,

1345
01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:55.560
one of the things I was thinking
of when you were talking earlier about,

1346
01:42:56.000 --> 01:43:00.800
you know, the possibility of these
things being interdimensional. It seems to

1347
01:43:00.920 --> 01:43:05.199
me that, you know, maybe
I'm wrong, but for someone to travel,

1348
01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:11.479
unless they're sent or whatever through whatever
it is, to get into this

1349
01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:15.840
dimension, let's just follow that line, you know, that line of thinking.

1350
01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:21.039
You would think the beings would be
of great intelligence and you don't really

1351
01:43:21.159 --> 01:43:27.720
see like actions when it talks about
the big foot and the screaming and the

1352
01:43:28.640 --> 01:43:31.079
you know, the the odor that
you can smell them from half a mile

1353
01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:35.319
away and stuff like that, But
you don't. You don't really see intelligence

1354
01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:40.279
in these beings or any of these
beings that all of a sudden show up

1355
01:43:40.279 --> 01:43:45.199
and disappear. What do you think
about that? And it's gives different types

1356
01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:48.119
of reaction. One thing you just
mentioned about the smell. Yes, a

1357
01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:53.960
lot of people talking about this very
strong, overpowering odor, like something rotten

1358
01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:56.479
eggs saw first time. It's been
dead for a long time. But in

1359
01:43:56.720 --> 01:44:00.359
many cases there is no smell whatsoever. My theory is that I don't Again,

1360
01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:04.079
it's just a theory that the smell
is somehow related to the process of

1361
01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:11.560
these things appearing and disappearing. Intelligence
wise. It's really hard to comment on

1362
01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:15.520
that because of different reactions. But
one reaction I've seen an increase in report

1363
01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:21.119
in recent years. The different cryptic
case I investigate is that when these creatures

1364
01:44:21.239 --> 01:44:27.119
realize that the human observer can see
them, they have a startled reaction,

1365
01:44:27.479 --> 01:44:30.439
which some people can see on their
face and how they move their mouth and

1366
01:44:30.520 --> 01:44:33.640
their teeth. They have a startled
reaction when they realize that the humans can

1367
01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:41.039
see them. Think, it's very
interesting, how about that. That's almost

1368
01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:45.439
makes you wonder if you know,
maybe they're thinking they're in another spectrum or

1369
01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:50.159
something where we can't visually see them, or maybe that's where they are some

1370
01:44:50.319 --> 01:44:56.279
of the time or whatever. Yeah, that's that's a whole other, whole

1371
01:44:56.359 --> 01:44:59.840
other thing. Let's see. Michael
wanted to know, have there been any

1372
01:45:00.439 --> 01:45:05.319
dog man encounters through Pennsylvania as seen
in Wisconsin. Yes, there have been

1373
01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:10.439
a number of dog man sightings that
myself and other investigators have looked into the

1374
01:45:10.560 --> 01:45:14.199
years. But you have to go
back to nineteen seventy three with that major

1375
01:45:14.279 --> 01:45:17.239
outbreak, and if you read through
my Solid Invasion book, the one thing

1376
01:45:17.319 --> 01:45:21.239
that I brought up was that you
had many of the so called typical bigfoot

1377
01:45:21.319 --> 01:45:25.680
sightings or something six to nine feet
tall, cover with hair, no neck,

1378
01:45:25.800 --> 01:45:29.640
long arms. But then there were
some variations. We had some reports

1379
01:45:29.680 --> 01:45:33.199
with these things were smaller and more
muscular, some were taller and thinner.

1380
01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:39.680
And then I had some case where
people were i mean literally two three feet

1381
01:45:39.720 --> 01:45:44.079
away from these things that close and
they were looking. I mean the one

1382
01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:48.119
case the woman was literally looking face
to face at this thing between a screen

1383
01:45:48.359 --> 01:45:51.600
in a window she was in.
She was brought up early in a bathroom

1384
01:45:51.720 --> 01:45:56.319
visiting a friend, and those are
the foundation house load of the ground.

1385
01:45:56.880 --> 01:46:00.960
She began to hear these strange sounds
outside and suddenly this thing rises up.

1386
01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:05.239
And this thing has she described the
face is looking more like a wolf or

1387
01:46:05.239 --> 01:46:11.560
a dog, blowing eyes, large
thing like teeth, I mean, looked

1388
01:46:11.600 --> 01:46:14.760
directly into a space. I mean
I talked to her. She had called

1389
01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:16.199
the state polas and they patched me
and the thought to her. They sent

1390
01:46:16.279 --> 01:46:20.399
a trooper out, and then I'll
tell you an interesting part of the story

1391
01:46:20.560 --> 01:46:25.239
that she gave a very detailed account
of what she saw. She was so

1392
01:46:25.479 --> 01:46:29.640
scared that she made those people take
her to her home several miles away.

1393
01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:33.439
Within the hour, the same or
another creature shut up at her house.

1394
01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:38.079
And I've had other cases where the
same thing has been reported, not that

1395
01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:41.600
common, where the same thing has
happened, where somebody's seen a bigfoot a

1396
01:46:41.640 --> 01:46:45.119
certain location. Within a short time
later, they go somewhere else and a

1397
01:46:45.159 --> 01:46:49.840
bigfoot shows up. Wow, almost
like it was following them in some type

1398
01:46:49.880 --> 01:46:56.760
of fashion. In a way,
it sounds like, yeah, we don't

1399
01:46:56.800 --> 01:47:00.079
have the answers, but that's what
people reported. Yeah, here's a good,

1400
01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:09.199
good point that Rob is making in
the interventional theory why would they need

1401
01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:13.000
to raid trash cans, because that's
one of the things you do hear about.

1402
01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:17.119
A number of people have noted that, you know, a big foot

1403
01:47:17.239 --> 01:47:20.640
was in their trash can, digging
their trash can. I have heard that.

1404
01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:24.159
Now I don't know if there's any
truth to that. Again, who

1405
01:47:24.239 --> 01:47:30.399
knows, But so I thought that
was an interesting take. And yes,

1406
01:47:30.479 --> 01:47:34.600
we've heard those stories. We realized
years and years ago that these things left

1407
01:47:34.760 --> 01:47:40.079
apple's corn and berries particularly, and
yes, over the years and reports of

1408
01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:45.000
chasing deer and carrying deer over their
shoulders. Wow, that's the type of

1409
01:47:45.079 --> 01:47:47.920
thing we've had. And again,
so much we don't have an answer for.

1410
01:47:48.239 --> 01:47:50.760
But these are the kind of things
have been reported for a long long

1411
01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:57.840
time. And so it's um,
it's there's so many little details. And

1412
01:47:57.920 --> 01:48:00.760
as you talk about you bring these
details out and you talk about the smell.

1413
01:48:01.000 --> 01:48:04.239
I'll tell you an interesting case.
And this was down and around the

1414
01:48:04.279 --> 01:48:09.119
area outside of atro back during seventy
three. I smell again. I told

1415
01:48:09.159 --> 01:48:12.319
you I never saw a bigfoot.
There was a couple of farms out in

1416
01:48:12.399 --> 01:48:15.800
that area where the people earn the
farm said these things period, we would

1417
01:48:15.840 --> 01:48:18.439
come back. So my team even
though we're very busy on multiple cases.

1418
01:48:18.720 --> 01:48:24.159
We tried to stake out some of
these places and one night I got a

1419
01:48:24.239 --> 01:48:27.239
call for one of the families that
the creature just been back on the farm.

1420
01:48:27.640 --> 01:48:30.439
So we got our team and were
hurried back out there. When we

1421
01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:33.439
got out there, we found three
to footprints in the barn, the animals

1422
01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:38.680
again and their farm that wouldn't make
a sound they had. It was dark,

1423
01:48:38.760 --> 01:48:43.520
There was a big cornfield there and
something way ahead of his bipedal was

1424
01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:48.079
taking large stripes running away from it
in the cornfield, making this very loud,

1425
01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:55.079
heavy breathing, asthmatic like sound.
I chased it. We chased it

1426
01:48:55.159 --> 01:48:58.680
through the cornfield. I recorded the
sounds. Whatever it was, we could

1427
01:48:58.720 --> 01:49:02.000
never catch up to it, but
with a smell I was taking. A

1428
01:49:02.119 --> 01:49:06.039
police officer took me down to a
house where two women had come to the

1429
01:49:06.079 --> 01:49:12.920
police department and they wanted to see
the creature they reportedly get shot. Where

1430
01:49:12.920 --> 01:49:15.760
the rumor was going around that area
that the police had shot had shot a

1431
01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:20.399
big foot After so many sighting they
wanted to see it because on this particular

1432
01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:26.359
night, on a very warm night, this woman was lying in bed and

1433
01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:30.880
something awakened her. She turned over
the windows only I think it was like

1434
01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:34.560
three to four feet away from her
bed, and this creature is stooped down,

1435
01:49:35.159 --> 01:49:39.880
had the drapes open and staring directly
at her. She's looking right into

1436
01:49:39.920 --> 01:49:43.319
the face of this thing, the
windows nine feet off the ground. It

1437
01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:45.399
moved back from the window, went
around the other side of the house where

1438
01:49:45.399 --> 01:49:48.800
her daughter was sleeping. The daughter
started screaming, she just saw the biggest

1439
01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:53.800
shadow she had ever seen. And
right about that time, this horrific smell

1440
01:49:54.439 --> 01:49:59.279
begins to encompass the area in their
home. And three days and they said

1441
01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:01.399
they went to the east because they
wanted to see. Yep, what the

1442
01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:05.880
what the mother had seen it was
similar to what they had shot, which

1443
01:50:05.880 --> 01:50:10.279
of course was not the case.
It was an untrue rumor. The police

1444
01:50:10.319 --> 01:50:13.119
officer believed they were telling the fruit
had me come down to the house and

1445
01:50:13.199 --> 01:50:15.399
interview them. When I got into
the house, you could still smell this

1446
01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:19.520
rotten odor, like selling them been
dead for a long time. Wow.

1447
01:50:20.720 --> 01:50:27.000
That that's crazy, that's really crazy. We've only got about three minutes left,

1448
01:50:27.399 --> 01:50:30.159
so um, I think this is
This has been a great show and

1449
01:50:30.319 --> 01:50:35.479
I've really enjoyed speaking to you once
again. Um, just going back real

1450
01:50:35.560 --> 01:50:41.079
quickly to the you know, the
many UFOs that that type of thing.

1451
01:50:41.560 --> 01:50:45.680
You mentioned that some of them are
structured, but when they look like they're

1452
01:50:45.760 --> 01:50:51.000
structured, did they actually were they
actually seen like in a home. I

1453
01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:55.520
know you mentioned a lot of these
are seen. I have been seen indoors

1454
01:50:55.600 --> 01:50:59.600
and things like that, but not
a structured one indoors, it wouldn't be

1455
01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:04.560
what it Well, some of them
appeared to be solid metallic and others just

1456
01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:10.279
appear to be either transparent with a
definite shape and sometimes it just kind of

1457
01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:14.439
a spherical light source of different colors. So it depends on the situation.

1458
01:51:14.520 --> 01:51:18.800
But they had been reported indoor and
outdoor. Yeah, isn't that amazing?

1459
01:51:19.720 --> 01:51:24.920
And I know I've actually talked to
someone, you know, years ago that

1460
01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:27.880
said that they were in a room
with a bunch of people and all of

1461
01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:32.960
a sudden, this ball light started
like going from one room and went from

1462
01:51:33.000 --> 01:51:38.039
one room into another, and they
jumped up and followed it and something about

1463
01:51:38.079 --> 01:51:43.199
a sink, it hit a faucet
or something like that and disappeared. But

1464
01:51:43.359 --> 01:51:47.640
I mean, it's such a strange, strange phenomenon. The whole thing about

1465
01:51:47.640 --> 01:51:53.680
everything we've talked about tonight. It's
been pretty strange. So these cases go

1466
01:51:53.760 --> 01:51:56.560
on and on. I invite people
go to my website. They can get

1467
01:51:56.680 --> 01:52:00.720
updates on there, Stan Gordon dot
info. They can eatmail me too at

1468
01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:04.479
pa UFO at Comcast dot net.
It's on my website. Found numbers on

1469
01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:08.880
there as well, and my books
available on Amazon dot com and Barnes and

1470
01:52:08.920 --> 01:52:12.880
Noble dot com as well. Excellent. Well, Stan, you've been wonderful

1471
01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:15.760
as always, and I hope to
talk to you again, and uh,

1472
01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:18.039
you know, maybe another year or
so. It would be great to have

1473
01:52:18.119 --> 01:52:23.920
you back on. It's always fun
speaking with you, all right, the

1474
01:52:24.000 --> 01:52:26.399
way things are looking though, hopefully
by then it'll be a lot more to

1475
01:52:26.479 --> 01:52:29.720
talk about. Yeah, I guess
there's a lot of activity. All right.

1476
01:52:29.760 --> 01:52:32.239
You take care of Stan and talk
to you soon. Have me have

1477
01:52:32.279 --> 01:52:36.399
a good evening, yeah you two? Okay? Everyone, So that is

1478
01:52:36.680 --> 01:52:41.720
it for our show this evening,
and next week we have another kind of

1479
01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:45.800
well it's a it's another different type
of show. We're gonna be talking crop

1480
01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:49.760
circles, realities. We're gonna have
two people on, Darcy were and Gary

1481
01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:55.000
king Ow. There is also a
UFO connection to that, and again we

1482
01:52:55.119 --> 01:52:59.119
have a lot of great things coming
up, Kathleen Martin's the week after,

1483
01:53:00.039 --> 01:53:02.760
and so again, if you want
to know who's coming up, go to

1484
01:53:02.800 --> 01:53:06.760
our website podcast ufo dot com,
and on the sidebar you'll see an email

1485
01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:11.359
list you can get on, and
we send out one email per week and

1486
01:53:11.479 --> 01:53:15.640
it usually comes out the day of
the show with the blog and who the

1487
01:53:15.720 --> 01:53:19.119
guest is. And thanks so much
everyone, and we'll see you next week

1488
01:53:19.680 --> 01:53:23.600
and remember to keep your eyes to
the sky.