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It's Maria's MutS and Stuff. What
a great idea on iHeart Radio. Welcome

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to Maria's MutS and Stuff with me
today. I'm very excited. He is

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an explorer, he's a field biologist, he's a conservationist, and he's the

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host of Giants. It's Dan O'Neill. See that was the proper introduction.

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Thank you very much for having me. Absolutely so. Giants it's a five

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part series that's coming out May eighteenth
on Curiosity Stream. And first of all,

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tell me how did this all?
How did it all begin? Like,

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how did you get connected with doing
this for your Curiosity Stream? Did

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they approach you? You approach them? Explain the whole process to me.

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Well, so I'm in a research
broologist for about ten years um and that

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sort of conditioned into the film.
Was doing some digital projects and mostly most

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of my work is expeditions. UM. And then hilariously, it was actually

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quite an interesting meat cute for the
company that created the series for Curiosity Stream.

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Off Defense. I was presenting an
award at the British Documentary Awards,

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the Award for Natural History Film,
and it went to my octopus teacher.

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If you've seen it, the incredible
Oscar winning film about a man's relationship with

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an octopus, and I gave it
to Andrew Zicking, who then collective the

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award came and met me and him
and I got to talking over a glass

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of why outside the award and that
was sort of the beginning of the relationship

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that created me joining Giants. Wow. That's amazing. That's that's I mean,

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that's almost it's like a Hollywood story, you know what I mean,

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Like it's just one of those it
is, but it's like one of those

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random things that happened, but like
meant to be. That's so cool.

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Absolutely, I mean he was like, I like, you, Dan,

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We'll we'll stay in touch. I'll
be in touch, and you know people

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say that and you're like, oh
all right, and then he absolutely he

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texted me, Wow, that's the
coolest. I love it. That Wow.

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So okay. So that's that's like
a very very cool, amazing beginning.

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So then was Giants your idea or
his idea or both? So it

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was an amalgamation of a lot of
people's ideas and then the sort of creation

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of it and the and the deciding
of which prehistoric animals to look at,

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which modern day counterparts to look at
was all the incredible team at Curiosity Stream

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and collaborated with Off the Fence.
I was some small interductions from me.

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Okay, wow, that's really cool
though. I mean, you know,

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it's just it's amazing to me how
things just happened to be. But it's

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just one of those things. It's
just it's just meant to be, you

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know. So yeah, I mean
it was every kid's dreams. Yes,

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I mean Giants. It's a it's
a series about um prehistoric animals, the

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biggest prehistoric animals that have ever lived, and then going on an expedition SIRK

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and navigating the world to find their
modern day giant counterpart. And when I

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was a kid, my first dream
before becoming a biologist, to be a

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paleontologist. Oh, it's like a
childhood dream come true. It's true.

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Well, you know they always say
do what you love and love what you

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do, and it's really really true
for you in so many ways. And

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I was going to say, because
I watched two of the episodes and uh,

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you could see that you being part
of it, like you're the real

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deal and you're you're really like enjoying
it. So much, thanks so much.

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I honestly was. It was the
best adventure of my life. I'm

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sure. I'm so sure. Okay, So I don't want to tell I

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don't want to give everything away because
I want my audience to watch the series.

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But just so they know the five
part series, it's elephants, lions,

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sharks, anacondas, and crocodiles.
So hair raising moment with everything single

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one. Yes, Okay, So
I'll tell you I watched elephants. I

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really love elephants. I watched elephants, and I watched sharks and sharks.

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Let's talk a little bit about sharks. Because you were out on the water

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often when you were a child,
you said, correct, yeah, so

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yeah. My dad was a physicist
and never really had the opportunity to leave

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a very small office. There was
never really big adventures. But my parents

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are quite a lot older than everybody
else's and my dad eventually decided he wanted

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to go on a big adventure and
he took me and my brother sailing one

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of history and we got to experience
so many incredible locations. So I've had

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a couple of little encounters with sharks
off the side of boats, but nothing

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quite like what we did us for
Neptune Islands for giants. Oh my goodness.

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And I have to tell you when
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went out, I was like,
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it's interesting. So people will tell
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great white sharks aren't out to get
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year, in that particular location,
they absolutely would have been. It was

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popping season and all the seals throughout
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time for great whites, and so
the people we were at so we were

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like, we would never get in
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you, I mean, I won't
give too much away, but you see

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something that happens when we're in there
that really lets you know that's probably true.

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Yes, well it's true, and
that's why well, yeah, that's

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why I don't want to give it
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saw that, I'm like, oh, he is really brave. That's great

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that you did that. Okay,
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of the five of this series,
and I know you're going to tell me

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no, but do you have a
favorite? You're right time. I'm going

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to say everything one of those things. So it's so hard to say because

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I know every episode, and it's
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this project was every episode we were
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we didn't know exactly how we were
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going to find it, and so
each each mission is completely different from another

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one, and you really feel that
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felt it, you know, while
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But I would I think Elephants was
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and I've never seen an African bull
elephant in the wild before, and I

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definitely hadn't seen, you know,
one of the last twenty to thirty super

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tuskers left in the world, the
elephants with these giant, great, big

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tusks, And when seeing one of
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mean it was I think that was
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for anybody seeing an animal. I'm
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like, it takes your breath away. I mean I felt that watching

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you watch see that, you know
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oh my god, you're just it's
breathtaking because they're so ginormous, like it's

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hard to imagine it. And you
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enormity of their size, because I
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it in a textbook or something,
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way you were describing it, I'm
sure it's life changing. Yeah, and

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then yeah, and then bringing their
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afterwards, just how big these animals
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it's incredible that the what I mean, the one episode that I think

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is where you really feel that is
the Anacondas, because lots of my work

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has been in South America and I've
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mean the ones that we were looking
for are truly massive. But the Titanabo

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are the biggest snake that ever existed. They only know about it from finding

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spinal vertebrae of this snake. That
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that squeezed and soiled animals as big
as dinosaurs. And when you think that

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those creatures used to live, I
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whole world of magic. Yeah,
it's basically the back from Harry Potter right

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where I was gonna say, it's
like it's it's like beyond our brains because

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you're like, oh, it's like
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science fiction movie. It doesn't feel
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was. Yeah, completely absolutely terrifying, very very cool, very cool.

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So about how long did each episode
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information? I mean, I'm sure
it differed for all of them. Um,

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I mean, like when did you
start shooting everything? So we started

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shooting last year in a sort of
the beginning of summer time, okay,

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and the we'd we'd go on month
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we were in Australia for just for
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um, and then in Africa for
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and South Africa, and then we
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Brazil right at the end with nice
to end in Brazil as well, play

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somewhere familiar with Right, I'm just
gonna say it, since you're so familiar,

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that's so that's that's excellent. I
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obvious thing that these ginormous creatures roam
the earth and due to mankind, due

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to nature, they're not with us
anymore or they right, species have become

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smaller, which is interesting because because
humans have done the opposite. I think

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when you think back and said we've
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the years. But the animal world, right, No, seriously, I

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mean you think of going to the
theater and the seats, you know,

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for a theater that was built one
hundred years ago, and the seats are

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much smaller. Yeah, yeah,
but that's another whole thing. But so

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yeah, human wise, I mean
that's larging to do with you know,

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nutrition and things. Yeah, that
really has stunted people's good. But animals

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wise, I mean people think that
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But the biggest animal that's ever lived
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That the blue whales. That's the
biggest animal that has ever existed anywhere

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on the planet. But I think
it is a really interesting conversation about it

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because we're currently you know, there
have been five major mass extinctions in the

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past, and we're currently going through
the sixth mass extinction. Is the first

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time an extinction has been caused by
just one species, and that's us.

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But it's also this incredible zone that
we're entering where just one species is capable

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of saving the planet as well.
You know, that's a lot of potential

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damage, but a lot of responsibility. And I think it's really interesting looking

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back at these species because you can
see through through geological time what's happened,

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and a lot of those changes is
related to climate change. You know,

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the edibility of food and prey items
changes, and these very big animals that

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need large amounts of grass tweaks in
terms of the elephants, and huge prey

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items to eat in terms of lions
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We're looking at that in real time
now. So the decisions that we make

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will impact the world, and it's
interesting being able to do it in such

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an entertaining way, to showcase it
in a way that I think we'll inspire

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people. I think so too.
No, I think so too, because

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you're right, I mean, we
caused it, but we can fix it.

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And it's really very important, you
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but for generations to come as well. Absolutely, Yeah, I think

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it's another thing as well, Like, it's great looking back at the fossil

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record because we see all these animals
alive today, but some ninety nine point

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nine percent of species that have ever
existed are are gone, are gone,

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and there's this tiny fraction alive today
and that's completely natural, but it is.

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Yeah, it's very cool just how
similar these animals are, Like the

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crocodiles. The largest crocodile that's ever
existed, Sarcasucus, is barely different at

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all from any crocodile alive today.
Very similar for the snake in terms of

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their body formation, only the sides
is different. So it's really cool how

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evolution kind of keeps these traits right
right, right, No, it is.

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It's fascinating. I mean it's fascinating. It's fascinating for a civilian like

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me and for the audience because this
isn't our expertise like it is for you,

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but it's I'm sure it's far more
fascinating for you because you actually get

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it, if that makes sense.
Yeah, I mean what I love most.

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I think a lot of the time
people are afraid to show that they're

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learning, and for me, I
hope that you can see it camera a

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lot of this new experiences for me. You know, I'd never been up

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close to a wild elephant before or
even seen an African line in the wild,

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So I was a kid in a
candy store, honestly, I mean

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it was it was absolutely amazing.
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i said, has been in cats
in completely different parts of the world.

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So seeing them that was yeah.
Oh no, you could definitely your excitement

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definitely came through loud and clear and
sincerely. It wasn't like you were acting,

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you know what I mean, Like
it was sincere. You could tell

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that you were really excited and just
like, oh my goodness. Yeah.

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thing that I yeah, I'm not
sure if you know about this, but

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it's the first time an LGBT persons
fronted a nature documentary anywhere on any platform,

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from major network, from major network. So I think for me,

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there was I had this feeling of
when I was a kid that there wasn't

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that possible for me to do it
because there wasn't anyone out there. There

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was a bit like me, I
think there's something I really feel when I'm

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there because it's just so it's so
special for me to be able to be

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living that dream that I think is
something a lot of young Quick kids want

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but haven't necessarily thought were possible for
them. So I'm really happy to be

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able to show that. And I
think there's I think there's a slight comedy

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and a difference about LGBT people on
camera, and I think I watch it

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back and I'm like, yeah,
I can definitely see it right right right,

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No, it's excellent. I'm so
happy that you did this series.

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So now I know this isn't even
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say is there more, but I
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this of the series we are hoping, so I mean, I can't wait

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to people to watch it, but
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so many more animals, for so
many places to go, and yeah,

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we have everything cross that we will
be able to go out in these adventures

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again and bring more of these incredible
animals back to life. Yeah for sure.

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to the audience about this um and
I saw it an elephants. The technology

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with the camera that you had that
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to who are like are at the
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height or a weight, but with
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able to Like I thought that was
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much better than me. Yeah,
I mean so like job Slash and Daniel

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there the rangers from Big Life who
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but also studying the elephants that we
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really simple set up. It's a
DSLR camera, which meant a lot of

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people have just to take photographs,
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with two laser pens at a fixed
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an equation developed by scientists to take
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side on and use those two laser
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of different things about the elephant,
which is really really cool being able to

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bring that to those people And another
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they worked properly bringing stuff to you
know, local communities and being able to

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work with them. So that's like
something that we can bring along that's a

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bit tacky, like a a camera
tack can then help the communities and leave

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something lasting. Is really really cool
and ipose on that actually one thing we

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should mention so off the fence the
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created a fundraiser because we spoke to
an amazing woman called Maria who had lost

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the use of her legs because she'd
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right, who crushed sex. And
one of the things I'm most proud of

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about the whole series is that we
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we did, and now she's having
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that she can walk again. Oh
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cool. And that was completely run
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testament to what a great company of
the Vents are that they took so much

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time and energy and also part funded
it themselves. So yeah, I'm really

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proud to work with them. Oh
I love hearing mad because Yeah, I

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was touched by her because she had
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and she kind of she lived amongst
them, and yeah, oh that's Oh,

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that's so great. That must make
it makes me feel so good.

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I'm sure how that makes you feel. Oh that's wonderful. Imagine how she

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feels. Imagine getting that news.
Yeah, yeah, oh my god,

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that's great. Love this, this
is Dan. I love talking to you.

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I swear this is so cool.
So okay, all right, So

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it's Giants and it's on Curiosity Stream
and it is debuting on premiering on May

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eighteenth, So that's pretty exciting.
I cannot wait. I know, I

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know, well, I can't wait
to watch more of this, and I

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really do appreciate you talking to me
about it, and good luck, I

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will. I would love to talk
to you because I know there will be

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more coming out when you do those
and good luck with this. Is there

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going to be a big premiere party
or a big premiere screening of it?

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That may well be. Yeah,
No, we're all so exposing. Can't

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wait first come out. Yeah,
and to get out more bunches. Thanks

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so much. It's great looking to
you too, Thanks so much, Dan

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O'Neill. Giants premiering May eighteenth on
Curiosity Stream. Keep having a great time

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and keep doing all this wonderful work
that you're doing, because you're educating the

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world and we need you. We
really do. Thank you so much.

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