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Well, happy Monday morning. Everyone
here, holiday weekend, whether you're in

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Canada or in the US, here
getting ready for we have a big CFL

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game tonight here, Monday Night Football
with the Argonauts taking on BC Lions,

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America's CFL team. But we are
here today talking USFL. No days off

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here, no week's off. I
think officially safe to say that highest viewed

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USFL Championship game a pregame show.
It's kind of like election cycle. You

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kind of got to wait for all
the numbers to come in, but it

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looks like maintain that most watch USL
kickoff show, most watch USFL Championship game

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show. So you know, people, if if you're with the league,

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if you're with you know we're around
here. We're kind of doing our thing,

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but we're always here. A couple
of guests today, you wanted to

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talk about the hard work of this
live from a rest stop, unable to

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make it home, but could not
not be on the show. Today.

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We have Potrophina. First off,
how are you doing? Has this felt

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immediately drops out? Okay, we'll
get pat On here. Pat was working

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over the weekend, but I have
here a special guest standing by is that

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the professor's music, Andy Murray,
how are you doing, sir? It

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is all right. I am coming
off the top rope. It's been a

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while, hasn't it. It's been
a while. I think we might do

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something this week too. I'm thinking
I'm trying to. I'm workshopping ideas here.

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But Andy Live he was in anime
con right in La here on vacation,

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and he wanted to come on time
the championship game. How are you

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doing, SIRP Yeah, I've just
been a while, wait for about a

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weekend with my friend a little a
little convention here in Los Angeles. The

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weather has been great, but I
guess I wanted to get off my summatical

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for a moment to come and talk
about this because I know I'm a little

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bit out of my element. I
don't have my normal attire, but I

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wanted to come and talk about this
since you know where, We've already gone

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to the end of the season already. It just flew by. I don't

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know about you, but it felt
like this USFL season went by much faster

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than the last one, and even
faster than maybe the XFL season. Maybe

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I'm just imagining that, but to
me, I couldn't believe. I felt

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like I was just watching your preview
show with Rick Stella and everybody. Just

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it almost feels like two weeks,
not two and a half months or three

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months. It's weird. And I'll
bring Patt in here. I think Pat's

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just having connection issues will get him
on. But it's it's been hard,

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right, And I think this is
what everyone wanted, Right, We've talked

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about this for years and the dream
and year round football, and I mean,

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this is one percent of the challenges
the players go through, you know,

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and the coaches and the staff and
workers and everyone else. But it's

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a lot. And I think that
the overhang with the XFL kind of helped

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make that USFL season feel shorter also, Right, It took really till week

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four or five to kind of like, Okay, now we're just doing this

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on our own. We don't have
to you know, we're not you know,

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like you're on or Pat. We're
kind of trying to juggle all these

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multiple leagues and all of that.
I don't know, and I also to

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me and this is just you know, maybe my twitters and stuff. USFL

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still feels like it exists a little
bit more in the vacuum. I still

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feel like I see more XFL,
and again, it could just be because

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I'm following the matt Berries of the
world, and thankfully a lot of the

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XFL people kind of survived the cuts
with ESPN last week. I know that

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Jason Fitz wasn't so lucky, but
I don't know. For whatever reason,

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it kind of felt like we were
mid season with the USFL. And honestly,

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if you miss the games, if
you blink and you miss, they're

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kind of gone. I know,
Pat does a really great job, you

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know, obviously we talked the games
every week, like you kind of if

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you miss it over the weekend,
I feel like it doesn't exist. Your

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following coming into Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday, if that makes sense, yeah,

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and your muted Yeah, no,
absolutely. I mean both of them

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are kind of like it seems like
you could to accept one of them into

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your lives and then displace the other. Right, And I suppose it's the

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same way with the CFL too.
Now we hear obviously at the marcass don't

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discriminate. We get ourselves involved in
all of them. So for me and

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you and all of us, for
most of us, I think it's not

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really that different because they all overlaps
together and it's all sort of this part

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of the giant, amalgamated calendar.
But for most people, yeah, I

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mean, it can just be over
in a flash and that's it. That's

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their season and that's all they were
looking forward to. So for me,

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it's just been really interesting to see
now with all these colliding calendars together,

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just sort of this continuous flow of
gridiron action. I mean, it's just

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so funny seeing all these NFL reports
and ups coming out and being like,

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oh, well, you know,
training camp starts, we'll be you know,

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won't be without football for so and
so days, And it's like we've

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been living this for how many months
now, I mean since February on,

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and it's not really gone away,
and it's not going to go away for

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the CFL obviously, it's going to
be here until you know, November.

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So for us, I mean,
our off periods don't really exist. Like

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as far as if you're if you
are exclusively a football watcher, if you

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indulge in all leagues, there is
no time off now if this is going

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to be a continuing trend, But
as far as an all leaguer, goes.

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I mean, still there are people
who have their alliances and sort of

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choose which one that they decided to
put their time them and money and investments

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in. Obviously, so it's interesting
just seeing how kind of people measure out

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their schedules in that way. But
for me, I mean, it's just

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been the train has just been rolling
the entire time. There we go.

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I was trying to add the banner
back on end of deleting the banner,

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and that we again here, let's
bring padd in as well. Here pads,

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Like I said, no really no
days off. Pads literally live from

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from the truck stop here. I
couldn't make it home with his work schedule.

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Pat, how are you doing,
sir? Do well? Apologic apologies

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for the connection issues. I'm somewhat
sorry right now, so not really no

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issues at all. We appreciate Pat. What have you made of this?

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We've done it, you know,
we've been here every week, no weeks

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off here. What do you make
we? Finally? You know, we

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crowned the champion stallions back to back. What do you make them all this?

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Um? As far as with the
season, I think it was a

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good season. Um, you know, a lot, a lot of games.

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I think we've talked about it with
a little bit of football fatigue,

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um, and honestly, like as
people who cover these leagues, we just

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kind of have to like, you
know, I want to sound too simple

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here, but man up and do
it. You know, like their days,

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I don't really want to watch for
football games back to back to back

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because you know, I'd like to
go outside they or even better, take

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a nap. But I mean,
this is a commitment that we've made to

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these players, to these leagues.
And I mean, you know, I'm

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glad that they can played a second
season with the intention of coming back for

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a third. You know, that's
three years of opportunities for guys, you

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know, in terms of the game
itself. And we'll get Andy. I

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celebrated the Mariners decided to go somehow
get two miraculous wins here and gets to

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the m of day raised after losing
fifteen to four on Friday, and imagine

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Andy, imagine my life. I'm
sitting there. I'm like, I got

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really good seats to these next two
games here, just gave up fifteen unanswered

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runs, won both games, celebrated, and then I went back. I

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watched every snap of the USL Championship
game last night. Don't add me on

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that. So we'll go first Pat
and then Andy Patton. The game itself,

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I thought it was not nearly as
exciting this last year. That wanted

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to be too critical. What did
you make it a game? I mean

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when you start off last year the
way like that Stars game and then you

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add the parody of like the injuries, like you set the bar really high,

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you know what I mean? Like
regardless of the four and six teams,

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Like we saw a good four and
six team a couple of weeks back,

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but with how good last year's game
was, a lot of things had

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to align. But um, I
mean I think I think it went pretty

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level to the season that we saw
from both these teams. Alex Magoo made

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a lot of plays. He scrambled
a lot, you know through some you

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know he did with Benda Nucci thinks
Benda Nucci can do with way less interceptions.

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And then you know the Maulers defense
or excuse me, the Maulers relied

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on defense, Troy Williams running and
Chris blew its leg and we saw throughout

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the season they had a lot of
issues finishing and how many times did they

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get inside the twenty I think two
or three and they couldn't score, you

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know, so, I mean,
if you were the it fell in line

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with the script to keep it a
lack of a better turn. And you

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know, they made a competitive because
I think it was three nothing going into

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like the middle of the second quarter, you know, and the Maulers are

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away thing and that touchdown that you
know Isaac saca Polo when he handed off

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the ball forward, Um, that
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Like Randon, I don't think he
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probably been within within the twenty five. But uh, I mean, no

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real surprise. You know. I'm
sure there was a lot of people who

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thought the Mallers were gonna win,
but I mean I wasn't surprised by this

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outcome. I think I said they
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or something like that. The Stallions
pretty close and then yeah, I have

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some does so Andy, what did
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it was the Alex magu show and
it has been the entire season. He

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was outstanding for the most part in
the entire playoff run. You have an

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accounted for nine total touchdowns in two
playoff games. That's saying something. He

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just was putting his improvisational skills on
display constantly throughout the entire run. Now,

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it almost got him into trouble during
the game. He almost had that

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just hideous fumble against the Maulers and
where Boogie Roberts had the handoff and it

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almost led up to a score.
And honestly, for Boogie, you got

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to know that you got a later
roll that ball man. You can't just

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hand that off. You get that's
like football one on one. You can't

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hand that off forward man. And
if you had scored there, that shifts

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the momentum completely for the Mallers.
Instead, you're holding them into a field

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goal and you don't really get a
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for the Stallions, I mean,
Magoo just was outstanding this entire season.

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He really stepped up. He was
a different quarterback last year. I didn't

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I honestly was saying during the champion
not the championship game, the inaugural game

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that we went to. I was
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Yeah, I think I don't think
he can throw. And I wanted

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j R. Smith out there and
J. R. Smith was the right

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quarterback to go with the entire season. This season We'll never know because jam

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R. Smith got her, but
clearly Magoo got to go through leaps and

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bounds of development and with the staff
and with this offense, which again did

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not have its full arsenal. I
mean, there was no Bo Scarborough and

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there was no um who I'm trying
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There was no Marylin Williams. There
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deal with. And that was kind
of thing I thought about did the Championship

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game, especially in the second half, was Man, it would be really

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nice if they had a running back
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kind of eat up time. And
Cjo Marrable is good. I like CJ.

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Marrable, but both Scarborough would have
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kudos to Scarborough for just being are
sorry for McGoo for being on top of

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his game, being able to hit
his spots, just be able to improvise

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running out of the pocket. He
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can't say that the Maulers really had
an answer the entire time. I don't

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know. I want to get pat
thoughts on this, because I you know,

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I know Pat's obviously high agoo and
he gets the MVP and he's getting

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you know, you got to get
gonna get the game MVP and all this

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kind of stuff. To me,
it felt and it might be if this

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is my quarterback, maybe I feel
different right like where I I am not

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a Stallion's fan, so I'm like, oh, I'm kind of maybe I'm

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jealous of this guy. Or he's
got these big following locks and he's kind

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of running around, But it felt
like he was getting a little like high

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on his own supply at the end, like during this game, like like

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scrambling when he didn't even need to, Like he's like out running around and

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then you're like, okay, you
didn't even need to. Kind of like

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it felt like he was trying to
do a lot. I know there was

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one where Skip called like the time
out. They Alex was like no,

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I like I was able to.
I was I was gonna get be able

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to get it off, like I
knew what I was doing. And then

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they came out and ran right into
a wall and it's like, well,

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maybe you should have listened to skip
like maybe I felt like he's obviously still

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learning. I don't know where he
goes from here. They pointed out right

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obviously the four touchdowns championship game record, you know, beat it over,

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you know, Case Cook this slash
year. What did you make of Magoo

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here? Pat in that and just
in terms of like him feeling like he

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was trying to do too much and
I don't know that that was necessary.

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I don't know. It felt like
he kind of got to a weird spot.

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I think it comes out the film, and not just for Magoo,

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but for all these guys. When
you when you have the luxury of like

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these all football leagues is we and
we saw it is like every game means

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so much to these guys that every
game is going to be another one of

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these guys, you know, putting
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effort, especially when you like,
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goal. Like I'm sure there's some
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like every snap is I need to show

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what I can do so I can
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it doesn't at this point, like
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have to prove in the USFL?
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but he put together some pretty good
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know, obviously Smith's played better,
but then he had he came back in

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the championship. He excuse me,
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the best season in all football history
of of you know, I think he

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had twenty five or twenty five total
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in the league, and rushing like
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you accounted for nine touchdowns in two
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Alex has most likely one goal and
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know, like every snap is a
high is a highlight reel, or attempting

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to be put on the highlight reel
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but just stuff because we're seeing that
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where how do you bou what's that? Right? How do you go

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out there? Where we saw like
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the season, Just okay, this
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accepted that where you got that with
Benda Nuici, Like you said, every

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single player like I gotta go out
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on my back, and it just
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I don't know if you got like
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like, I don't even know if
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Like you feel a little bit more
free where you get it just feels

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like a lot heavier weight on some
of these guys. Andy. Does that

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make any sense? No, it
does. And that's the thing. You

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have to set your own expectations the
goals going into these leagues. You can't

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just be a loof. You need
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into the league or do I want
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and I guess for some players maybe
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the game and maybe trying to find
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was pretty sure he was not gonna
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him a call because he plays really
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he's like, all right, I'm
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do that anymore. Sometimes sometimes just
having an answer for a player really kind

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of gives them some sort of closure
and solitude so that they don't have to

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continue asking that question the rest of
their lives. Because a lot of players

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don't get that chance. They just
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sure I could have done this.
You know I could have. Every player

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doesn't really want to become like Uncle
Rico, you know, like I could

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throw one ball over the mountains,
and you don't really want to have that

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for every player. I think I'm
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sure there's some sort of mental gymnastics
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you know, it's interesting to bring
up Scooby, right, I do wonder

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maybe was this, you know,
his last rodeo, because now he's going

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back to back championships. He's been
on a great team. Will it ever

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get this good again? You know, well every better than this. I

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mean, as a Stalis fan,
you are spoiled. You've lost three games

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in two years. As as a
football team at any level, I don't

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care what level it is. That's
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for players that are on that team, with the staff there and the team,

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you have to think about like,
is this my chance to jump?

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Is this my chance to go on
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excellent resume work. But at some
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you know, unless you know.
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Mallers did improve. The South.
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They just didn't have anything o their
way and they got absolutely she lacked

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in the Self Division championship game.
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better. You know, there will
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these teams are always shifting the rosters, the coaches are changing. Somebody's going

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to step up next year. So
for Birmingham, I guess for the players

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and the coaches, you have to
ask yourself, all right, is this

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the end goal or is there something
greater? But I don't think I wouldn't

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try to go into it thinking like, well, you know, I'll hang

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around another offseason and what they will
just be shooting on all cylinders again next

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year. I mean this, I
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I don't know. To me,
the year two the three jump is going

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to be interesting. Fund if you're
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on the fence and you don't know
if you want to go back, or

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if you're coaches you're not sure.
Some comments here and then I got a

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couple of notes at Denzel checking in
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plan? Talking to the Maller's offensive
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email. Jacob's cataloged every excellent and
usl TV rating here coming up. I

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think we'll do something with this week. Sads had only six drives and the

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Millers didn't do anything when they had
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Mike checking in game was let down, especially when one team can't even score

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a TD and thought they could be
the Suns kicking field goals. That's kind

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of my question here, and I
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p J. Walker, maybe we
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the other the big story to me
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with the referees kind of going into
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second half. I know there was
like the movement on the end zone the

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TD one that the stallions that Ray
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a TimeClock violation as well. I
know there's always weird like what's got to

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hit zero? And then the RAF
looks. But then Pat Ray Horten like

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really kind of had this meltdown going
in where they had the punt formation there

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wasn't enough guys, and then even
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he's overwhelmed with this in the second
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the game. Pat, what did
you make of kind of the downfall here

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of the Pittsburgh head coach. I
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it's a different beast when you're when
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when you're at your position coach kind
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us. But when you say,
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guys on the field and whatnot.
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you know I was when I was
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confused myself and usually keep the games
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go back and you know and uh
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mean, I hope that's a growing
pain. Um. I would like to

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believe he handled it probably way better
than Kirby Wilson would have personally. But

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in the end, I mean,
we could talk talk about formations, and

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we could talk about questionable calls and
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you still got to put the ball
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the biggest bug of Andy. What
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that's like, I think a connection
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the offensive game plan was just not
good enough for the Mallers. They obviously,

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I know they haven't had a lot
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that go to guy, I think
it was interesting talking about one of your

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one of the people on your show
the previous show is talking about Bailey Gaither

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and how his snap percentage was really
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despite him being a viable weapon last
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some of the offensive distribution for some
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his damness. I mean, he's
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he had a couple of really good
scrambles. But I just think that the

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game plan of saying, well,
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there by you know, kicking field
goals, that's not gonna work. You

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just saw this team put up,
you know, forty plus points in the

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South Championship game. You think they're
gonna just be able to hold him the

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field goals the entire game. You're
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don't really like that they settled so
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to make all of his field goals. I mean, he missed one in

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the second half that would have given
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and instead, you know, they're
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some point you just gotta put your
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look, we're gonna go for it, and we need to start doing

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something because this is not going to
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like, I think his job this
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after last year's just complete debacle with
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I'm not sure if his personal goal,

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but I think he accomplished that goal
in that he was able to stabilize everything

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after just the chaos that they went
through last year. So in that rigard,

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he did. But yeah, in
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he got schooled by Skip Holtz.
Holtz has been there, done that,

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and holds to me. I mean, he's kind of the class of

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the league at this point. I
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be able to push all the right
buttons. He's dealt with injuries, he's

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dealt with egos. He's dealt with, you know, extenuating circumstances in different

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games. You know, they they
haven't been invincible themselves, but they always

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seem to have the right answer to
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You know, last year's championship game
and Jay R. Smith gets hurt

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bringing Magoo. You're dealing with all
these random you know, quarterbacks from the

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stars. Okay, now you have
to keep adjusting to them. And this

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year, I mean, he's playing
against an outstanding defense. And that's honestly,

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like I said, Magoo just did
his magic again. He played against

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an outstanding defatil unit. That's the
thing that's kind of shouldn't be lost on

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people like the Muller's defense legit man
like that. That was not an easy

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performance. So for the Malers,
you know, it is disappointing, But

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I think it's just more of their
offensive script scripting and then um just not

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really being able to be aggressive enough. I think they went in with the

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wrong game plan in my opinion.
Yeah, I just don't get like a

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lot a couple of things I don't
get. Yeah, you're going in against

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this science. We see this a
lot in the NFL as well, you

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know whoever is playing the Chiefs,
and like, we're just gonna kind of

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get some field goals here. It's
like you're never You're never gonna beat when

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Agoose throwing four touchdowns, You're never
gonna you know. And I hate the

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trading field goals for touchdowns or whatever, but very true. I wonder a

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world that exists where Skipholds isn't with
Birmingham and the USFL, right, And

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I don't know if it's Skip is
the greatest coach in the world, or

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they just assembled the best team,
or you know, the headquarters and he's

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got more of a cushy gig there
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And I don't know all of that, but it's really worked out well

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because I do think is as kind
of tiresome as it is to have this

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like dynasty of a you know what
with our young call it here were two

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seasons and but you need to have
some you know factor kind of carry over

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there. Let's bring Pat back in
here. Pat was talking about kind of

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the offense and Ray Horton and being
able to being unable to capitalize and you

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go for there, we go bad
are you there? No? All right?

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Andy thoughts on thoughts on Skiven Burman. I don't know Pats have a

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connection issues. Pat's Pat's getting wooed
by the rest stop amenities. Might you

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know he's like thinking about thinking about
all the great things in the in the

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store. But no, you know, well, I wanted to ask.

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I would ask ary to young Hud
say, well, tell you what you

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go ask the Winnipeg Blue Bombers fans
if you think they're in the middle of

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a dynostaur CFL fans, if you
think the Winnipeg Blue Bombers under the dynasty,

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because all I heard about before the
great pick up last year was oh,

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the three peak could happen, and
this will be that this will be

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the dynasty, not the repeat the
three feet that they were about to embark

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on that would be considered the actual
start of the dynasty. Back in my

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estimation, at any time that I've
watched football in any way, shape or

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form or any sport, back to
back does not mean dynasty, and so

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I don't really understand where that terminology
is coming from. For just back to

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back champions if they win three in
a row, great awesome, Okay,

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I get it. But it has
to be multiple years of winning championships and

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not just two in order to consider
yourself a dynasty. I mean, that's

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back to back to special. They
could be wrong. That's amazing. That's

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a great accomplishment. That's very difficult
to do in any sport for any reason

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whatsoever. But you have to be
able to accumulate, like, Okay,

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look at the Chiefs. I mean, the Chiefs I think are not considered

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to be in a dynasty right now. They've been to three Sea Bowls and

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00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.279
they've won two. Now, they've
been to a bunch of AACA championship games,

408
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:55.759
but I haven't heard anyone tossed around
the word dynasy yet until they win

409
00:25:55.839 --> 00:26:00.400
three. That's the golden rules.
So I just I find I find RJ's

410
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.920
terminology to be humorous, considering that
I've never heard that for any other sport

411
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.720
at any point. Yeah, a
couple other notes here about the game,

412
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:11.680
and then I have some more like
the actual championship kind of whatever. We

413
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:15.480
talked about that fumble recovery of the
long you know, handing the ball off

414
00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.880
forward, because again you're like Pittsburgh
cannot score, they cannot score. Attention

415
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:21.960
so you're finally you're like, oh
my god, okay, okay, let's

416
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:25.519
defense scoring, defense scoring. And
then obviously it was called back to like

417
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:27.480
the twenty five or I think it
was like the thirty thing. Okay,

418
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:30.920
then they don't score again here,
like then we still kick a field goal,

419
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.119
that kind of thing. It feels
like they kept talking, you know,

420
00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:37.119
given Jared a lot of a lot
of praise kind of for being aggressive

421
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.720
here on like third and long and
really standing a lot of pressure. It

422
00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:44.160
felt like McGoo, like I said, kind of at the top, a

423
00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.440
little bit like playing with kids toys
out here, and so I like to

424
00:26:47.480 --> 00:26:51.400
see him struggle a little bit.
I don't like anyone where It's like it

425
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.519
felt like he was kind of a
level above a lot of the players just

426
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:57.519
in terms of seeing the game or
kind of existing. Last night, we

427
00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:02.000
had to miss oh yeah, then
Gaither had the big drop with like seven

428
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:03.599
and a half minutes left, a
big miss on that where he wasn't looking.

429
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:07.359
I really felt like it was over
at that point, and it would.

430
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:10.640
I mean they knelt down and I
mean it was going two and a

431
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:12.119
half and they got the first down
and then you're like, I mean this

432
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:17.119
this went to batter Were you surprised? Like jack at one point was like

433
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.960
when now, remember you know in
the USFL, we can still go for

434
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.359
one, two or three points,
and like this is still kind of I'm

435
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.960
like, I haven't seen more than
three teams go from two points the entire

436
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.839
season. Like, but it just
it felt like the game wasn't a game

437
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.920
after about eight minutes left. I
mean, I'm glad that Jackie's breaking up

438
00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:37.440
the roles because I think it's easy
to forget about because nobody does them.

439
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.440
I mean, nobody goes for those
conversion points because they don't have to,

440
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:44.880
you see. Like I think that's
what's so, in my opinion, so

441
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:48.960
intriguing about the XFL rules because you
can actually be forced into doing it.

442
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.039
You've forced the teams to go for
a one, two or three point conversion

443
00:27:52.039 --> 00:27:56.240
and then you start playing with analytics. If you're giving teams the choice to

444
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.400
just get pat they're gonna do it
every single time, and they're not really

445
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:02.160
changing the game at that point.
You're just giving people the same tried and

446
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:06.200
true traditions and you're not going to
really do anything different. So yeah,

447
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:10.240
I think that's funny that, like
with the other malers. Really a team

448
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:12.599
that would go for two or three
willingly like, is that really the team

449
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:15.319
even in Birmingham. Birmingham doesn't do
it. Then they score all the time

450
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.400
and they say no, they're gonna
take They're gonna take the point. That's

451
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.079
it. Every team is going to
do the same thing. I find it

452
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:27.160
extra hilarious because listen, I like
the place kickers this year were much better

453
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:32.759
than last year. Like, the
place kicking across the board was just a

454
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:34.799
million times better. There was no
controversy with you know, chips in the

455
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:40.000
football or put trotting punders out there
trying to kick a field goal. Uh

456
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:44.160
you know, m Jeff Fisher,
and there's no any of that going on.

457
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:48.000
It was much better across board.
Still, there were a fair number

458
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:51.880
of pats that were missed from teams. So it's still funny to me that

459
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:56.440
that's the default option, even though
they're playing from as far back because they

460
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:59.240
would be in the NFL, which
means you're going to have some miss pats

461
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.200
and so I, you know,
I wish there was more incentive for these

462
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.319
teams to go for two and three. They're not going to do it unless

463
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:10.880
they're absolutely forced to, So I
do find that interesting. But yeah,

464
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.920
the other point um that you brought
up about Bailey Gaither dropping that pass,

465
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.119
it's not not eerily reminiscent to Chris
Blair dropping that pass for the DC Defenders

466
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.880
in the championship game for XFL with
the same and it had that same feeling

467
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.160
of like, oh, this is
over. Like as soon as he dropped

468
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.400
it, the error got sucked out
of the building and that was that was

469
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.200
it. It's kind of it's remarkable
how similar that was. Well, and

470
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:37.079
it was like Gaither wasn't he wasn't
even expecting it, like he kind of

471
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.640
he barely They was like, wow, he didn't even didn't even see it.

472
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.359
I mean he kind of looked like
he saw it turned over his shoulder

473
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.759
that at the end. But it
was kind of weird. The thing with

474
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:48.079
these with these two and three point
conversions, like you said, where if

475
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.119
you don't give them, the default
of kicking with it is you know,

476
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.400
like you look at the Muellers,
we can barely score touchdowns, right,

477
00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:57.640
so we you know, to go
for that. It was like the Elks

478
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.440
here this last week when they or
plan I think it was the Red Blax

479
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:04.240
game on Thursday. It doesn't feel
like it was that long ago where they

480
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.119
finally got a TV and then Chris
Jones is like, we're going for two.

481
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.519
I'm like, you guys score like
three touchdowns the entire season, Like

482
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.680
we're really going for the two point
confert here, Like I would take the

483
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.599
points to move on. But again, you're rewarding. It's not being lazy,

484
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.799
but you're rewarding, like, Okay, you're gonna kick it. The

485
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.960
idea with the XFL and you have
to you're going for it whether it's one,

486
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.119
two or three is you're still going
for that play, right. Yeah,

487
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:32.480
it has to be a mentality thing. I mean, I go back

488
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.960
to when I was in college and
i'd watch Chip Kelly and his offense operate

489
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:38.440
with Oregon. The gimmick with organ
was that they'd always score a touchdown and

490
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.319
then they'd go for two on the
first touchdown, and more often than not,

491
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.880
they would get it on the we
call it the swinging gate. So

492
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:49.319
it'd be like kind of like a
quarterback RPO or like the putter doing a

493
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:52.559
sort of run sweep option and they
would go up eate nothing, and it

494
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.640
was kind of sending a message the
other team like, you better score touchdowns

495
00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.279
today and keep up with us,
otherwise we're going to run away with this

496
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.000
game. And they, more often
than I would score forty fifty points and

497
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:03.920
go on to dominate. So it's
almost like a mentality thing that they do

498
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.440
it from that standpoint. I mean
for a team like Seattle, right,

499
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:11.480
the Seattle Sea Dragons, I mean, June Jones is a mad band and

500
00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:14.079
just just says I want to go
for three because that's what analytics says,

501
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.160
and he probably thinks he can get
three every single time. You know,

502
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:19.279
again, it's your mantras, your
mentality is an offensive play caller. With

503
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.680
USVL teams, they don't think that
way. That's that's not their gig there,

504
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.160
for lack of a better term,
more conservative when it comes to that

505
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.079
approach, and they just want to
be able to get any sort of points

506
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:34.039
whatsoever. But there's no that level
of aggression is not something that I think

507
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.599
permeates in any of the teams.
The only thing that it might work with

508
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.319
is maybe the Stars. The Stars
are the only team I would think that

509
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:44.279
would try and take the advantage of
that with bart Andrews' offense in the air

510
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:45.960
rate, But on that. I
don't see that being the case for a

511
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:51.119
lot of these teams. Yeah,
and Jane Jones here running into trouble over

512
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:55.559
the weekend, so I don't know. I know the report had come out

513
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:59.400
that he had been on some Hawaiian
radio saying that he was angling for the

514
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:05.319
XFL Las Vegas Vipers head coaching job, and then obviously getting suspected DUI arrest

515
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.240
and posting bail Friday night. So
we'll see. I don't know what that

516
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.400
means for June Jones. I know
that, you know, when you're a

517
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.240
position, like you know, you're
in sports, here's one of the head

518
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:16.640
coaching positions. I don't know how
leagues look at that. We'll kind of

519
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.119
see how the XFL wants to handle
that be at June might be out.

520
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.480
The thing like with that with June
going for three was yeah, I'm sure

521
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:27.079
the analytics are telling him go for
three, but like your team is not

522
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.279
good enough to go, like,
you know, this is like an XFL

523
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:31.799
team, no offense, like this
isn't you know, we're not running you

524
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:35.759
know, Mahomes and Kelsey out there
like we're running d Nuji and you know

525
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:39.000
whatever. A couple of other things
and then we have some questions. We

526
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.400
have a lot of stiff to get
you six sacks by Birmingham. I thought

527
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.680
that was great. Good to see
Willie Yarberry with the Stallions kind of get

528
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:52.200
the game ceiling fumble recovery there.
I attract Willie all the way back.

529
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.160
I was he with the Generals back
in the Spring League, and I remember,

530
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.759
I think it was the first game. We're sitting there watching this San

531
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.640
Antonio and I'm like, he had
I had a crazy I can't remember if

532
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.519
it was like a block. I
think it was like a blocked path.

533
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:07.559
I mean, this was like three
years ago. But good to see what

534
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.119
kind of Willie still. I don't
know. He's someone I've always tracked on

535
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:16.519
here. The other interesting things to
me was crowd. What do we make

536
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:22.279
of the crowd Andy. I'm told
that it was a pro Muller's crowd.

537
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.799
I suppose based on the audio that
was coming through my DV speakers that would

538
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.559
indicate that was the case. I
don't know if that means that there's going

539
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.839
to be more Muller's fans and supporting
the Cannon market. I don't know what

540
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.119
that means, but I mean it
didn't seem like there were nearly as many

541
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:40.400
Stallions fans or as many fans period
as there were last year for the championship

542
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.680
games. So for me, I
mean the crowd was I think it was

543
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:49.319
just cannon fatigue at that point.
I mean, you've gone to what twelve

544
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.599
straight weeks of going to games in
that market. That's a lot. I

545
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.519
mean last year, the novelty of
having it'd be the championship game in the

546
00:33:55.519 --> 00:34:00.880
playoffs was nice because it was a
field that you didn't see very often except

547
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:05.039
for preseason the Hall of Fame game. And now all of a sudden,

548
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.480
here you are and you're trying to
play. You're trying to play all throughout

549
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:12.320
the season to trying to encourage your
market. That you have two teams in

550
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:16.039
there and not really getting much support
for either, and even though one of

551
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:20.239
them is in the championship game,
you still don't really draw that much support

552
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:24.599
from the Pittsburgh market. I mean
it just the energy, Like I'm sorry,

553
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:28.039
but like I had to go back
and watch the highlights for the XFL

554
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.519
championship game, the energy was just
different. It was different for both both

555
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.880
games, just a lot more louder, a lot more electric. I know

556
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.920
it was the Almo Dome, so
it was obviously encapsulated sound, but they

557
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:40.039
just sounded more. You know,
fans are sunding more engaged in the x

558
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.159
FUL Championship game that it did in
the USFL game, and that just stood

559
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:46.599
out to me. As far as
the TV product went, if it was

560
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:49.599
in Birmingham, I think it would
have been fine, like that would have

561
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:51.960
been fun. But as far as
the can market, I think it was

562
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.559
just fatigue from overall just having so
many weeks straight of football in that stadium.

563
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.199
I think you all right, it
was like raining before. You know,

564
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.519
it's supposed to be like funder Starman's
round kickoff and you have those forecasts.

565
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:07.039
I mean definitely down. I didn't
see any any attendance figures being like

566
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:10.440
touted or a lot of you know, some of the normals, you know,

567
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.920
kind of posting about that. I
thought it was really beautiful. You

568
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:16.920
had the sunset going. I think
it was when the Stallions were driving over

569
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:22.519
the one corner. I thought,
man, like this is great. Like

570
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.840
they reuse a lot of the obviously
the championship game last year highlights, and

571
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.119
I mean anytime the Stars since Tallion's
played right. We heard a million times

572
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:31.280
like did you know these teams played
in the champion two game last year?

573
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:36.719
But they use that footage a lot. You know, this to me looked

574
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:38.559
beautiful and I would see that,
but it certainly wished there would have been

575
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:42.840
more crowd. I think people were
invested in it though, like he said,

576
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:44.599
it felt like to me, it
felt like the energy was there.

577
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:49.440
But what was interesting to me was
so brock Heward a friend of the show

578
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.639
here, right, He's been on
and we've been trying to work him coming

579
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:55.519
on this season, and you know, he did the kind of kickoff,

580
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:59.280
and he took a bunch of weeks
off and then then we've got Mariners and

581
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.320
Seahawks to hear, you know,
training camps and kind of everything. But

582
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.960
I was under the presumption that he
was going to be at the championship game,

583
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:07.559
because he had told me earlier in
the season like, Hey, I'm

584
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:10.559
not going to be doing this for
you know, I'm taking some weeks off

585
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.559
and then I'll be back. We'll
do the playoffs in championship he was traveling

586
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:17.679
the week before. I couldn't do
that, and I expect I mean,

587
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:21.719
they had no sideline reporter, right, they had the woman like uh,

588
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.199
it was it was a weird name
like Zoa. It wasn't Zoah, but

589
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:29.599
it was. They had a lady. They had a lady doing like sideline

590
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.480
reporting that was just a voiceover that
was basically just they you know, they'd

591
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:36.880
show her face kind of lower bug. But I thought that that was odd

592
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:40.119
that for the Fox Championship game.
I mean it was on right, it

593
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:44.599
was on NBC. I watched on
fubo it. Yeah, that's the thing.

594
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.599
It was the Mbassy broadcasters. So
okay, so then you wouldn't have

595
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:49.800
Brock on, so I didn't know. I thought it was weird that you

596
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.480
wouldn't have you wouldn't have anyone on
that. I don't know. It was

597
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:54.159
weird to me then. So that
so I'm answering my own question with why

598
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.960
Brock wasn't there, But I don't
know why there wasn't an actual sideline reporter

599
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.599
there. Well, I just think
that set up a brawl is just so

600
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.519
interesting. The fact that it wasn't
on Fox, the you know, the

601
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.360
company that owns the league itself,
it's not on the championship game. I

602
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.280
find that to be really interesting because
I wonder if they're trying to do this

603
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:15.199
kind of like dual network showcase like
they do with the Super Bowl, right

604
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:19.559
where they put it on CBS or
they put it on Fox, or they

605
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.760
put it on NBC in a rotation, right, Are they trying to do

606
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.119
that too? I don't know what. I'm not really sure what the get

607
00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:30.599
of that was. And look,
I like the NBC broadcasters just fine.

608
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:35.239
You know, Ja's Garrett's fine,
Jack Allensworth is fine. But I don't

609
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.800
know if that's necessarily what you want
for your championship game material no offense.

610
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.599
I mean current Menafee and Joel clad
I think are the guys that you would

611
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.239
you'd want to have in that position, just like last year. Those are

612
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:47.480
your kind of like you're a team
in a lot of ways. And so

613
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.079
I'm a little I'm just kind of
not sure what Fox is trying to get

614
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:54.719
done here in terms of just putting
it on NBC. And as we've seen

615
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:59.559
also sometimes with the ratings, somehow
NBC ends up drawing better than Fox a

616
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:01.960
lot of the time, which is
really the most ironic part. They get

617
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:06.199
more of the viewership that way,
so maybe it's trying to get a ratings

618
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.559
boost that way. I'm not sure
the whole relationship with NBC is really interesting

619
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.880
going forward because they're gonna have to
figure out, ay, you know,

620
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.760
obviously if it's going to continue afterwards, or what kind of shares that NBC

621
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.519
has in this league, if they
have any, because again it's owned by

622
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:24.480
Fox, and what their plan is
as far as distributing all these all these

623
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:30.960
games outside of other networks like FS
one or USA Network all those kinds of

624
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:37.519
things. It's I'm just I'm not
sure if I really understand what the what

625
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:42.480
NBC has involved in is here besides
just besides getting a ratings boost, because

626
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:45.679
I would think that Fox would try
to prioritize having those biggest games on their

627
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.639
network again well or I don't know
why, you know, maybe you try

628
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.119
try to do a simulcast there.
I'd have to look back and see what

629
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:57.599
Fox was airing their Saturday night.
But yeah, it's weird where you get

630
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:04.360
NBC draws the higher rating has the
weaker. I don't love Jack and I

631
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:07.679
know he gets a lot of like
I didn't know Chris Collinsworth was calling this

632
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:10.559
game, but it's a weird,
like it's someone doing that Chris collins Worth

633
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:15.480
impression like it's a really weird I
don't know, and it seems I'm nature

634
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:17.519
like his voice coming out of his
body, like it's just an octave too

635
00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:22.000
high, like I don't I don't
love it. Well, that's the thing,

636
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.079
Like I think Jack doesn't have his
voice yet. In my opinion,

637
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:30.000
I don't think he knows exactly what
his niche is, or what his stick

638
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:34.360
or what, like his entire mantra
is supposed to be on a broadcast.

639
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.320
Chris is you know, one of
one, and you know who he is.

640
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:42.000
He's he is very much in his
own category. You know, his

641
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:46.079
father has done this for decades and
knows what to expect of himself and what

642
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:49.840
to do, and during a game, Jack is still figuring this out.

643
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.280
I still think he was better off
as a sideline reporter for NBC, you

644
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:59.159
know, doing his his pregame action
and leading up into the games on Sunday

645
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.679
Night Football. As far as broadcasting
goes, I mean, he's still greed

646
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:07.119
and he needs more experience, and
so I don't think that putting him in

647
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:12.960
that role as the Championship game play
by play isn't necessarily the best move for

648
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:17.800
Fox in the USFL. I would
have preferred to have Menafee and Joel Klatt

649
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.239
because I believe that they are most
equipped for that. Overall, they are

650
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.079
again as I mentioned, they are
the A team. They are the ones

651
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:29.840
that have the most experienced or even
Kevin Coogler Kevin Cooler would have been great

652
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.119
too. I mean, he's obviously
had a lot of experience as well,

653
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:37.039
done multiple games for Fox. I'm
maybe they just weren't available. I don't

654
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.760
know what the scheduling was, Like
you said, maybe brock Heard wasn't available

655
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.840
and they decided to go switch just
say, you know what, none of

656
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.599
the Fox guys are available, let's
just go to NBC instead. We'll never

657
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:52.519
know, but that that's that to
me just seemed an odd fitting for that

658
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:59.239
sort of a game that didn't seem
to have almost like it just for some

659
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:00.320
reason at the end of the game, when they were all running on and

660
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.159
shaking hands, it didn't feel as
important as it should have. Does that

661
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:08.320
make sense. It didn't feel like
there was as much gravitas, which why

662
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:13.719
and between what was happening on the
field and what was their presentation, Like

663
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.000
there wasn't that immediacy or that kind
of like this is really important that we

664
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.039
finished our second season. It just
kind of like, oh, yeah,

665
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.320
we got through a second season,
austome. Well, anyways, we'll see

666
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:24.679
you next year. I guess maybe
they expect that, but to me as

667
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.400
a if you're a casual viewer,
you want to be given a reason.

668
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.440
Again, why is this important?
We have some comments here. I'm trying

669
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:37.079
to think, Um, James says
Fox was here in baseball because I was

670
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.199
trying to look back, I'm like, what the heck, what's going on?

671
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:43.360
Mike says, yeah, Fox Air
the regional MLB. Other networks here

672
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.400
runs US and L and NBC was
illest rated out of vaud the network Saturday

673
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:50.159
night. I was gonna say that
as well. So pre lambs have come

674
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.039
out obviously with the fourth of July
and everything, we will probably get final

675
00:41:53.159 --> 00:42:00.039
ratings on Wednesday. It was a
one point oh four four million, So

676
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.000
the top of the kind of whatever
the prelimbs are going to be that they

677
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.800
generally go up. So I would
imagine, you know, one point one,

678
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.119
one point two. I think I
had kind of predicted one two,

679
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:14.719
one three xfl A drew one four
back with all of that. Uh,

680
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:19.079
the other one was, oh,
Gregory here was saying, I like said

681
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:22.480
yeah, because they like they want
to alternate, like they at some point

682
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:23.719
they said, like, I guess
this was part of the plan to get

683
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:28.239
what what what caused that plan?
We don't know, Andy, did you

684
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:31.159
have a comment on that? I
mean, okay, if it's buy it,

685
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:35.800
that's great. I just for me
again, it's just in terms of

686
00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.639
like the ownership of having that that
product in your backyard and sort of continuing

687
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:43.800
to promote that product yourself. I
get that they're trying to do the rotation

688
00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:47.119
of the championship game like again with
the Super Bowl, but who knows,

689
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:51.679
I mean, is NBC going to
continue to be involved going forward? We

690
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:54.639
don't know. There's that there's that
sort of term limit with them in terms

691
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:59.000
of their buying with the broadcast rights, and I don't know how much longer

692
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.920
they're going to keep going on and
after that and say, for example,

693
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.320
if they just think, you know
what, this isn't really worth our time,

694
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.239
well then what is Fox going to
do after that? Are they going

695
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.599
to just try and put all their
games on on their network and USA network

696
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:15.960
and FS one or do they find
another broadcast partner? NBC is so interesting

697
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.840
in terms of what their involvement is
because again, they're more niche, you

698
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:22.480
know, they're more niche in terms
of what they products they put on.

699
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.480
They don't have baseball, they don't
have basketball, they don't have hockey anymore.

700
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:30.880
They only have NFL Football. As
far as the big you know,

701
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.000
the big ones, they have Premier
League, which is getting more popular.

702
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.320
They have on Peacock, but they
don't really have you know, the MLS

703
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.639
deals through Apple TV. So NBC
has always been kind of more in terms

704
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:45.280
of like addressing the niche audience as
opposed to addressing the wider audience, even

705
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:51.119
though they get better numbers on their
network. So I'm not sure what they're

706
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.239
playing in their sporting department really is
going forward Again, They're they're handing out

707
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.679
contracts left and rights, people in
the in the in the football crew,

708
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:00.760
giving money. Everybody else well ESPN
just you know, keeps cutting bait.

709
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:07.159
So that that is really the biggest
question on my mind is also the shifting

710
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.679
landscape of the sports personalities and where
are they all going in these networks,

711
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:15.800
because we're seeing that it's drastically altering
just in the past few months alone,

712
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.880
where all these people are. You
know, some of these people going to

713
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.599
Fox because they were cut by ESPN
are going to NBC because they were let

714
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.199
go by ESPN and ABC. So
it's going to be very interesting to see

715
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:32.480
where all the talent flows to going
forward, and what is priorities given to

716
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:37.360
all these leagues and where they want
to be present presented going forward. So

717
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:39.760
NBC, I'm not going to say
they're a lynchpin in this whole thing,

718
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:45.400
but they are an important component to
that's moving forward as far as whose product

719
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:50.199
they're presenting and how they're presenting it. Yeah, dang here, I was

720
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:52.480
thinking this as well. NBC.
There had been a rumor I saw every

721
00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:55.840
weekend too, Yeah, NBC wanting
to do Sunday night basketball as well.

722
00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:59.280
Kind of it's ready to do that. So maybe trying to dip their because

723
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.719
it's weird with these layoffs, like
and I know it's not all connected,

724
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:07.199
but seeing it was whatever the basketball
player just signed, like the five year

725
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:09.199
or two hundred million dollars deal or
whatever like Saturday night and then we're like

726
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:15.159
laying off these guys and you're like, there's clearly enough money in this space.

727
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:16.920
I mean, I know, it's
different forms and how would help flows,

728
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:20.840
but it is hard to have,
like you know, Matt Hasselback getting

729
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.599
let go from ESPN, but yet
like Deshaun Watson's getting you know, and

730
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:27.519
I know it's all different, it's
not not all all the money is coming

731
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.760
from the same pot, but it
is interesting there. I had a couple

732
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:36.480
of comments here, um fooseball fan, they had flyers for twenty four twenty

733
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.039
four dollars down payment on next season
and next year's season tickets. I guess

734
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:45.199
they're committed to season three. That's
interesting because we had Moose on the was

735
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:50.559
it the the media day when we
were kind of doing our stream talking,

736
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.639
I'm like, we're doing the hubs
but we don't really know yet, and

737
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:58.400
they're selling the Canton tickets but we
don't really know yet, Like what are

738
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:00.760
you make it? I think we
might have a longer than discutching this week

739
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:02.760
about you know, the USBL's future. But while we're on here today,

740
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:06.760
like it's kind of weird, you
know, we're you going to figure this

741
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:13.679
out now? Well, obviously they
are baffled by their ratings drop, which

742
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.559
a lot of people would take.
Umbradge with you on terms of that wording,

743
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:22.719
but that is something they have to
address moving forward. Where are the

744
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:24.960
ratings going to come from? And
who's going to indulge in this product?

745
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:30.280
And it's just so weird to have
them try to get people to buy into

746
00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.199
some of these ticket packages when we
have no idea where they're going to play

747
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.639
next year. Let's be fair,
we have no idea who's going to play

748
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.480
where and what and when I know
it seems like the Memphis market is there,

749
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.760
the Detroit market is there, the
Birmingham market is there. The can

750
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.280
one is just kind of a mystery. We don't know who's going to play

751
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:47.840
there. They could change the names
of the teams in the cities tomorrow.

752
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.519
They could just say, you know
what, we're done with the New Jersey

753
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:54.400
Generals. We're just going to make
them the you know, Nova Scotia Pirates

754
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.360
or something. I don't know.
They're going to just change their name in

755
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.840
their city completely, in just or
a country and just say forget it,

756
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:02.719
We're done with this. I joke, of course, but but they really

757
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:07.320
seem to treat these properties. It's
just sort of interchangeable parts. Same thing

758
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.480
happened with the bandits right, Tampa
Bay just got transformed into Memphis overnight.

759
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:14.199
That was it, end of story. They could do the same thing to

760
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:15.880
the Generals. I don't think they're
going to do it to the Mallers now

761
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:20.400
because they just went on a championship
run, so I think they're probably just

762
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:24.119
gonna have to go all in on
Pittsburgh. I think the Generals are your

763
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:28.239
next team that are probably eligible to
be changed, which again is so weird

764
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.639
because that brand was there in the
TSL. It's one of the most recognized

765
00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:36.000
brands in the USFL and the old
regime, so I don't really see a

766
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.400
lot of benefit the changing it.
But also I don't know if the New

767
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:42.880
Jersey demographics are engaged in it either. That's the thing We've talked about that

768
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.480
with Mike Mitchell too. Is that
market really involved with this team. I

769
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:51.960
couldn't tell you, but it doesn't
seem like there's an overwhelming demand from people

770
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:57.559
I've talked to, So it's just
weird. I don't really think that there's

771
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.480
a lot of answers, and we're
not going to get any answers until last

772
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:04.400
minute again like we did last year, and I don't think we'll know any

773
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.599
not even this calendar year. I
think we really literally won't know until we

774
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:12.800
turned into twenty twenty four, and
that's just gonna be another weird offseason of

775
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:20.719
mystery, speculation and no notes from
the league until then. It's so weird,

776
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:22.440
Like, and We've talked about this
a lot on the XFL stuff,

777
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:29.920
and I'm curious what media reception,
you know, Danny and DJ and everyone

778
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.679
was expecting with the XFL right going
into the season and then kind of seeing

779
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.440
what they got, right, like, Okay, who's covering us? Okay,

780
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.679
well, you know I saw you
know, Danny was very complimentary to

781
00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:43.400
the media kind of at the championship
game. Okay, I really appreciate you

782
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.840
guys kind of being with us all
season. You know, it's hard.

783
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:50.159
It was hard for like the New
Jersey and the New York Guardians to get

784
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:54.960
media coverage in twenty twenty playing in
New York. Like I think the New

785
00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:02.400
Jersey General's playing in Canton, Ohio. The residence of that in the Greater

786
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:06.440
was at the Greater Try State whatever
they call like that media market, Like

787
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:09.719
I think it is like close to
zero. And so it is weird to

788
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:14.559
think, like you're going to get
rid of the most recognizable and Trump and

789
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:16.480
all of that. But I don't
know, I don't know. I don't

790
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:20.320
know who's hurt about that. You
know, who's who's getting their feelings hurt.

791
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.280
It's so weird. And I remember
having and we had on ray uh

792
00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:27.960
what the ray from the al dot
com? What was his name? Ray?

793
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:36.199
Uh? Oh? God are Birmingham
or Roy Roy Roy whatever his name

794
00:49:36.280 --> 00:49:39.360
was, and um, you know
we're talking like, hey, I think,

795
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:43.599
you know, I think the Birmingham's
downs could get like fifteen to seventeen

796
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:45.920
thousand in the game, and I
think the other teams could probably get you

797
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:50.760
know, seventy eight that whatever the
numbers were, and then you know the

798
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:52.719
non Birmingham teams were playing and it's
like, you know, one hundred fans.

799
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:58.519
I just I don't think anyone anticipated
like not calling the team the X

800
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:02.119
team, right like Canton. You
could go enjoy these games all the time,

801
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:06.400
but just because one of the teams
isn't called the Canton whatever, Like

802
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.360
why I don't have any interest now, Like it's just it's so weird to

803
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:13.519
me, but I guess that's human
nature. Like I'm I watched watching Commander's

804
00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:15.679
football every Sunday, and I don't
live in DC and have never made to

805
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:21.320
a Commander's Game live. But I
think I am maybe the outlier here where

806
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.880
I think people for whatever reason can't
can't get a connection that. I think

807
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:30.199
that maybe usfl overestimated that or underestimated
how big of a deal that was.

808
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:35.400
I think so too. And just
you know, again, if you have

809
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.679
any confidence in what the pageantry or
the camaraderie of these leagues or these teams

810
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:44.480
identities are going to be, then
you have to think that you're going to

811
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:46.639
get as much mileage out of that
as possible. Just on the branding alone,

812
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:51.719
well, we've seen the limit with
that. I've seen the limit with

813
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:54.320
how far that can you really take
you as far as your media exposure,

814
00:50:54.360 --> 00:51:00.400
as far as your exposure to other
markets. Look again, I think it

815
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:07.400
just boils down to people who actually
who chooses to willingly engage themselves in this

816
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.400
products because they actually believe in it. And let's be frank, a lot

817
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:14.920
of people don't because they see it
as another league that's going to go away,

818
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:19.719
or they see it as lesser football, or they see it as some

819
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:25.480
product that's just very either bush league
or is mediocre in a lot of ways.

820
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:30.079
And I don't necessarily agree with all
that, but I do think that

821
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:35.360
you have to be able to convince
people that this is going to be something

822
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.239
that's worth their time and investment in, because otherwise, as I said,

823
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.519
maybe just an hour ago I said
it, I think in our group chat,

824
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:44.239
I was like, you know,
people are going to sit on their

825
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.639
ivory thrones and tell their meet the
fools, and they know that they are

826
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:52.239
going to think that they know better
and that this is not going to last

827
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.400
or this is not really worth their
time. You have to convince people that's

828
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:57.719
not the case, and that's going
to be hard work for all of these

829
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:01.400
leagues. It's convincing people that this
is a viable product that's worth investing in.

830
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:05.000
And you can't just rust on your
laurels and say, well, we're

831
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:07.159
here. So people are going to
engage in it, well, some people

832
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:12.000
are. There's a base level line, But again, are you more concerned

833
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:14.920
with the floor as far as how
many people are you going to get or

834
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:17.760
are you more concerned about the ceiling? Can you get more people involved and

835
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:22.559
how many people more people can you
get involved in this? Otherwise I mean

836
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.000
you're gonna have the same results as
you did and maybe even slightly declining numbers

837
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:29.079
like the USFFL did this past season, if you just continue to have the

838
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:31.239
status quo, Well that's the thing
is, you know, And we have

839
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.159
a couple of comments here about the
moose being baffled and kind of all of

840
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.440
us have. Yeah, Greg said
it's roy S Johnson. I put that

841
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:38.320
in, but yeah, roy S
Johnson. I was like, I've had

842
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:40.679
a lot of guests on the show
in the last three years. I appreciate

843
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:46.880
it, right, But if you're
I thought when Greg Parks was on we

844
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:52.559
did our post XFL championship game,
the recap, the kind of the TV

845
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:54.920
radius and all of that. Greg
had all the numbers. That was really

846
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:58.400
interesting. And this is not you
know, trying to be a home or

847
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:04.280
whatever. If you're the XFL next
year, I think there's very easy Like

848
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.159
these are really easy things that we
can do, you know, at pay

849
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.239
more than the market, right,
better TV slots, better TV windows,

850
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:14.519
more consistent, Like, these are
things that we can do if you're the

851
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:16.639
USFL right now, save four,
Okay, we're going to add a hub.

852
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:21.880
It's like we were Saturday and Sunday
every year we had twenty six network

853
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.320
broadcast games. We had more consistent
time slots. We really marketed, We

854
00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:29.079
ran a lot of ads. We
you know, we're we tried to be

855
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.440
more invested in the communities, and
we had guys in Birmingham and doing stuff,

856
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:35.719
and Memphis doing stuff in Michigan,
like you know. Besides, you

857
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:37.599
know, and that's what they always
say. Okay, what they're gonna add,

858
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:39.239
you add a city, adds city
whatever like, but you know,

859
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:44.679
just just having better time slots.
This year, eight with the XFL on

860
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:50.559
Network TV compared to twenty six with
the USFL pretty equal ratings. And that

861
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:52.920
shouldn't be the case. If you're
on a third of the broadcast windows on

862
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:58.039
network TV that the XFL was in
the USFLU, you should not have equal

863
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:01.119
ratiings and the x I think the
USFL massively underperformed this year. Like you

864
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:05.840
said, we had the comment,
you know that the Moose baffling Mike here

865
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.599
says, and Moose was mipped by
the XFL beating the USFL the raids for

866
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:12.880
the regular season. He's really going
to be miffed when he sees USL championship

867
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:16.239
lost with the XFL championship. I
mean, it's I think that it's not

868
00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:20.719
surprising to me. And that's where
I posted on Friday. Anybody that's listened

869
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:24.519
or read anything that you and Evan
and Pat and Mike Mitchell and Sam and

870
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:28.880
Matt Lyons and everyone said like,
you should not be surprised at US and

871
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.679
LTV ratings are down this year.
But what do you make Handy. I

872
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:36.639
mean, again, I think part
of it is fatigue, right, people

873
00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:37.719
that have just said, you know
what, I'm good on football for a

874
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:42.039
while. I'm not going to engage
in this until the actual season starts,

875
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.480
the NFL season starts, I should
say. So that's part of it.

876
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:51.440
And the other part of it is
last year. I mean, the USFL

877
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:52.800
was the only game in town,
right, that was it? And same

878
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.079
with the XFL in twenty twenty,
that was the only game in town.

879
00:54:55.159 --> 00:55:00.039
Same with the AF in twenty nineteen. You know, I have to keep

880
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:04.159
bringing that up with like that's something
that was standing alone by itself. A

881
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:08.519
yeah, recipees, right, But
I think that that that's part of that's

882
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:10.880
whole, that's the whole part of
this thing. Right, This is uncharted

883
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:15.559
territory, This is uncharted waters.
There was no dual leaks. It was

884
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:20.159
it's really been interesting for me kind
of doing this like Scott Hanson thing where

885
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.880
like NFL Network Red Zone channel thing
where I'm watching multiple games at the same

886
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:27.039
time, of multiple leaks, I'm
watching a CFL game in the USFL game

887
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:31.079
at the same time, Like that
is unfathomable, just not too long ago,

888
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:37.119
and yet it seems this is where
we're headed as far as just having

889
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:42.000
oodles of content for people to dive
into. But at some point you're gonna

890
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.039
have a threshold of people who are
just you know, checked out and saying,

891
00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:46.440
I'm I'm good, I don't need
any more of this. I'm gonna

892
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:50.800
wait until I need a break,
you know. I need to have summer

893
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:52.519
off. I need to have this
season off. I can't keep doing this.

894
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:57.239
And so, I mean, that's
just that's that's the nature of the

895
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.280
Beasts, and that's going to happen. And again, can you give people

896
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:06.039
reason to indulge in that product and
can you give them a viable way to

897
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:09.559
invest in it, because otherwise it's
just going to be the same thing over

898
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:14.400
and over again and it's going to
be monotonous for a lot of people.

899
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:16.840
So for the ratings, I mean, Fox did all they could. They

900
00:56:16.840 --> 00:56:20.400
put on all the network games,
they promoted, they had a Super Bowl

901
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.599
ad, they did as much as
they could to try and promote it,

902
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:25.760
and it didn't seem to work in
terms of the TV ratings. Maybe in

903
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:29.719
terms of having a few more people
show up, you know, obviously being

904
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:34.760
in home markets helped that, but
even then there's just so much more work

905
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:37.639
to be done and trying to get
people to buy in. But it can't

906
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:40.320
just be based on nostalgia, and
it can't be just be based on well,

907
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:44.199
this worked last year and just worked
in the past, it should work

908
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.920
again. The markets changed and after
going through the pandemic like we did,

909
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.400
it's clearly changed a lot, and
that needs to be taken into account.

910
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:57.599
You know, say what you want
about these leagues, and you know the

911
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:00.800
CFL or kind of how they interact
with their fan base. You have the

912
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:06.440
XFL here, you know from the
beginning, and I remember the first the

913
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:12.800
first interview Danny did with um who
was it. It was right when they

914
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:15.840
bought the league and she goes,
I want to make this league be accessible

915
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:19.639
to everybody. I want women to
be able to do this. You know

916
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.079
a lot of females that watch sports. It's only because you know, my

917
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:25.840
dad watched it or my husband or
whatever. Like I want people to be

918
00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:29.320
able to buy in. Right,
you have the Rock and okay, it's

919
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:30.800
player fifty four and I know that
gets old. And we're kind of doing

920
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:35.000
this thing and you know, this
is our league and this is our you

921
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:38.400
know, all the all the promo
everything, this is ours and we're kind

922
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:45.320
of in this and whatever usfl all
through this season, real football comes back.

923
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:49.119
We're real football. Every week I
get the emails, you know,

924
00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.719
real football for real fans, you
know, real pros. Every week.

925
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.800
I would get the email preview in
the games and coming up, and you

926
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:59.679
have all this stuff. And I've
said before it's it's the b d E.

927
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.559
You know, like we're Fox and
like we don't need anybody. And

928
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:07.000
then you come out and you're like, well we can't figure out why our

929
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:12.320
ratings are down. It's like I
because I think you're pretty standoffish all year

930
00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:15.400
and you're like, we don't need
anybody, and got you know, dang

931
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:16.559
it, this is this is kind
of what we're doing in this Like,

932
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.079
well, we can't figure out why
why no one wants to watch our sport?

933
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.559
Why no one wants to watch the
game. It's like, maybe because

934
00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:27.719
you've been really standoffish and you have
you know, alienated anybody that that maybe

935
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:29.920
wasn't you know, only an XFL
fan. I was like, Oh,

936
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:34.039
I'm gonna check this out. Well
real football for real fans. Well I

937
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:36.840
was watching, So what does that
make me? Like? Am I an

938
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:40.280
idiot? Am I had? Dummy? Like it's a weird energy too,

939
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:44.280
And I know it's marketing ploy and
I know what's kind of all that stuff,

940
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:45.840
but this is this weird energy to
roll that all year and then that

941
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:49.719
moose come out like, oh I
just can't figure out I know. So

942
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:53.920
I don't know. I was.
I was very entertained by that headline on

943
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:57.480
Friday. Not because I want the
USFL to help to fail, but I

944
00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:00.000
want there to be some sense of
humility there. And I think that the

945
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:06.320
XFL went through a learning process this
year. We're coming in, our expectations

946
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:07.760
are here, and maybe it's a
little bit more here that we're going to

947
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.280
build up. And I think the
USFL right now is like we don't know

948
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:14.639
what are we going to do?
I mean, what do we do?

949
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:19.079
What's our next ploy? Do we
rebrand? We have to comment here from

950
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:22.320
Mike, you know, saying you
know, you rebrand another team. You

951
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.960
know, you get rid of Tampa. Now, okay, we get rid

952
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:28.519
of it, you know, we
get rid of the general Like I don't

953
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:31.360
think you know, Moose said on
there, we're not expanding until we have

954
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:34.840
eight teams in eight markets. So
what does that mean. It means you're

955
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.320
gonna you gotta rebrand or bust.
I mean, there's no I don't know

956
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:40.800
what their next step is. Well, I mean, how quickly do they

957
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:45.519
expect to do that? And do
people have patience for that? Does Fox,

958
00:59:45.960 --> 00:59:47.360
you know, the network have patience
for that? I know they Again,

959
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:50.639
they own the league and that's up
to them. But at some point

960
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:53.519
you have to be able to make
sound financial decisions and you have to say

961
00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:57.199
to yourself, is this going to
really work in the long run? And

962
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.519
are we going to be able to
get it out into all these markets?

963
00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:02.000
Is this viable? You know,
at some point you have to put your

964
01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:06.360
your money where your mouth is and
you have to be able to do it.

965
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:09.840
And just again, expecting people to
show up because there's football going on

966
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:15.199
doesn't always work as a product.
You know, it's it's not it clearly

967
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:20.000
hasn't been the case in some of
these markets where it's just another team that's

968
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:23.480
not from that place, that home
market doesn't really draw the same amount of

969
01:00:23.519 --> 01:00:29.760
attention, and why would they,
you know, Like I would be kind

970
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:31.840
of confused, Like if two NFL, I guess, I mean, I

971
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:36.320
know it's it's a bigger product,
but like if two random NFL or MLB

972
01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:38.760
teams were playing in one of my
stadiums in my town, I'd be like,

973
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:43.880
that's cool. Why I like,
it would be a little strange to

974
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.400
me unless there's like championship game or
something of that matter, which again didn't

975
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:50.360
even see the matter for the Can
market that much for the playoffs. So

976
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:52.480
there again, you have to get
buy in. You have to get regional

977
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:58.079
buy in from these markets. Work
with that first, and then you can

978
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:00.800
start to work on all, right, let's care about other teams, let's

979
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:04.719
care about other entities in the market, and then you can start moving it

980
01:01:04.719 --> 01:01:07.119
out and pushing it forward. But
until then, like you have to be

981
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.920
able to buy in, and I
Fox just hasn't done that yet or they

982
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:14.480
I don't know what the hang up
is as far as getting all these teams

983
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:16.400
out to their markets or I know
they're doing a slow build, and I

984
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:20.239
know that's their mantra and all that, but how much longer or how much

985
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:22.760
more time can you afford to that? And also how many more markets are

986
01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.840
you going to move until that actually
becomes to fruition. And also if you

987
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:29.800
get to a market it doesn't go
up to standard, or if you don't

988
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:32.840
like the crowd, are you just
gonna move it? Like what if at

989
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:36.960
some point you just say, you
know what, actually we don't need the

990
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:38.719
Detroit market, there's not enough people. We're just gonna move you. Then

991
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.280
what does that tell your fans?
You know, like, at some point

992
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.000
if you're going to keep doing that
over and over again. I get that

993
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:49.960
sometimes nit movement is necessary, but
there's only so many times before people will

994
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:54.599
actually want to sustain themselves or be
able to buy into it. Otherwise they're

995
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:59.679
just gonna see it as a good
pole. Why that Memphis was a great

996
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.000
examp, Well that I thought Memphis
grew over the season, and I thought

997
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:05.400
they did a really good job there, and I heard that they were doing

998
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.159
a lot more work in the area
there, and I know, having you

999
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.960
know, one of the hubs here
and stuff like that, that to me,

1000
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:14.119
Memphis was the success story of the
year. I know that Michigan didn't

1001
01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:15.679
have as much success at home,
and you know, the Showboats were a

1002
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:19.760
little bit sexier of a team with
being kind of the new franchise. But

1003
01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:23.039
I mean that to me proved we
can build here. I don't know if

1004
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:25.559
that stadium is the best, but
I don't know if they have any other

1005
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:30.039
options there. But you know,
you you positioned it the right way and

1006
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:31.880
you kind of charpet like. I
thought that looked good. And I thought

1007
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:35.760
Memphis was one of the you know, one of the not few, but

1008
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:37.719
one of the goods kind of success
stories of the year. I think Detroit

1009
01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.920
needs to work on that. But
I think then you deal with the same

1010
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:44.480
stuff spring leagues. Yeah, I
mean I read the Bill Shaves of the

1011
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:47.159
World and everyone going to the to
the Detroit games, like, wow,

1012
01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:52.519
this isn't the NFL. Like it's
like yeah, no, no, kid,

1013
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:54.559
and it's not you know, it's
not that you know, it's something

1014
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:58.440
to cover this time of year.
And I don't know, I'm seeing these

1015
01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:01.079
layoffs across the media, you know. I mean Bill Shay a lot,

1016
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:04.159
you know, got laid off from
the athletic this year. I'm like,

1017
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:07.239
I would be happy to have kind
of any sports to cover at this point

1018
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:08.480
if people are you know, and
I don't want ill will of anyone.

1019
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:12.679
And Bill Shay is in front of
the show, but like you get that

1020
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.360
mentality, you know, people hating
on us or you know, us having

1021
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:20.639
critical opinions like we are we are
boughten at this point, like we are

1022
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:22.519
invested in wanting this. You know, you get these fly by neither is

1023
01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:25.880
coming in and like the Mike Flourios
of the world that don't you know iv

1024
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:30.639
Iv emailed and corresponded with like probably
half a dozen times, trying to get

1025
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.079
him to come on the show,
right and like he's nice and he writes

1026
01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:37.079
me back, and we've you know, we've had discord about it, and

1027
01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:40.039
it's like, you only want to
cover this when the ratings are down and

1028
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:43.320
you want to post your article and
you want to move on. You don't

1029
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:45.519
want to you don't have either there's
no investment here besides, oh, I'll

1030
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:49.840
get a few thousand clicks here because
the XFL ratings were down or the you

1031
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:52.880
know, the XFL lost sixty million, or the USFL ratings are down or

1032
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:55.039
whatever, like, that's what that's
my problem is. You know, we

1033
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:58.800
are not the issue here, it's
the people that are. They're kind of

1034
01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:00.360
flying in, poo poo on it
and then move on. They had that

1035
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:05.639
was it? The Anthony the Anthony, the guy from he's one of the

1036
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:09.760
guys with the sports visitor or whatever
as well where he was he was pooh

1037
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:12.400
pooing on that as well. And
I'm like, I don't like this that

1038
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:16.159
you come in and kind of what
the heck was his name? I'll figure

1039
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:19.800
it out anyway, any any thoughts. I mean, that's the thing.

1040
01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:24.079
It's always going to be a fly
by night situation with these smaller leagues and

1041
01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:27.039
entities because they don't cover it day
by day, and then when there's something

1042
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:30.440
that's controversial, you want clicks and
you want exposure and notoriety on your channel.

1043
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:34.800
So you're gonna cover it for that
day and that's gonna be it,

1044
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:39.039
and you're gonna be out of there
in a moment, just covering the native

1045
01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:41.880
points. It's kind of how news
cycles works such a sports That's how it

1046
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:44.159
works in news too, where say, oh, well I'll go at this

1047
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:45.800
strategy over here, it's like,
well, what's going on with this community.

1048
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:49.079
We never covered this before, what's
the story behind this? And no

1049
01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:51.920
one really you know, wants to
put in the work of the effort to

1050
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:57.440
actually do that because that would require
work and effort. So for me,

1051
01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:00.920
I think it's a really big deal
with the football leagues. I mean,

1052
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:04.280
it's the same thing with the National
Arena League and the whole all of any

1053
01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:09.840
Empire debacle with Antonio Brown owning the
team and that you know, that story

1054
01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:14.519
blew up, blew up on so
many different channels. Pat mcabebe talks about

1055
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:16.599
it all these like different you know, Twitter kids are talking about it,

1056
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:19.760
and it was just so funny to
me and watching our colleague Sam just got

1057
01:05:19.760 --> 01:05:24.800
put out fires like he Sam is
in this every single day and has been

1058
01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:27.519
first of all, talking about the
story the entire time. So if you've

1059
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:30.239
been following him, you would have
known the lead up to this entire situation.

1060
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:32.760
There's no surprise if you're following r
right, We're like, yeah,

1061
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:35.639
we knew this was going to happen, but like everyone else was shocking.

1062
01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:41.480
And then say, you know,
secondly, it was you know, the

1063
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:45.320
league itself and where it's going and
what they're planning to do and moving forward

1064
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.840
with all the Arena Football League and
all this, and so it was just

1065
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:51.239
kind of funny. But like that's
an example, right, that's just one

1066
01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:54.920
thing to be picked up because it's
so shocking and it's got this one figure

1067
01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:58.079
that everyone knows that it's gonna,
you know, get picked up and be

1068
01:05:58.159 --> 01:06:00.199
passed around. But all those people
are going to go away and not actually

1069
01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.559
care about the National Arena League because
that's you know, that's not their beat.

1070
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:10.960
So it's it goes across for all
leagues that don't have regular viewership or

1071
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:14.840
regular fans involved, or at least
a number of fans that you need in

1072
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:17.079
order to have that you know,
constant exposure. We try our best,

1073
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:20.760
obviously, us and our group tried
to at best to get that information out

1074
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:25.880
about all these leagues. But you
know, there's just there's people like that.

1075
01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:29.280
They're just gonna you know, be
touch and go. They're gonna be

1076
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:31.559
here for a minute and then they're
out and tell the next big thing happens.

1077
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.880
We'll start riding up here pretty soon. I got nothing to do day,

1078
01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:39.320
Dorothy's out at the lake. I
have a wedding tomorrow. But I'm

1079
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:43.760
sure Andy wants to go do other
things today on his vacation, but good

1080
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:45.719
viewership here. I appreciate. If
anyone else has any questions, we'll probably

1081
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.719
start wrapping this up here and get
out. Hope Pat makes it home safe.

1082
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:51.559
I guess I know he was having
connection issues. I appreciate him and

1083
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:56.119
kind of worked out here and Andy
being able to have time and otherwise I'd

1084
01:06:56.119 --> 01:06:58.760
probably be sitting here talking about myself
for an hour. So I appreciate that

1085
01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:00.719
Andie make it this time. I
mean, like I said, no,

1086
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:03.960
Pat doing his best year, trying
to get back from his crazy, crazy

1087
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:06.840
work schedule. I know that Pat's
kind of had this whole recently. I

1088
01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:13.679
will say, if you want football
tonight, four o'clock Pacific, seven Eastern,

1089
01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:16.519
free for anybody, because I wanted
to check and see here what win

1090
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:19.920
the game's on. But uh,
CFL plus and if you go to CFL

1091
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:25.079
dot com slash or CFL dot c
A slash plus, I just google CFL

1092
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:29.679
on the plus signe. But BC
at the Argos tonight, I think it's

1093
01:07:29.719 --> 01:07:32.360
going to be a really exciting game. BC really hot right now, burning

1094
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:34.960
and all of that. So just
that's my little plug. If you want

1095
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:39.519
football today if you have nothing going
on, you know, if you're holiday

1096
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:41.800
in or you know, if you're
here in the States, and it's kind

1097
01:07:41.840 --> 01:07:44.119
of weird, like some people are
working to day. I think we have

1098
01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:45.679
good viewership right now. I think
some people just have the day off.

1099
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:49.400
But today for Pacific, I think
that's gonna be a good one. So

1100
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:54.199
it's completely free. They don't even
show ads on there because I don't think

1101
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:58.519
they have the rights on that to
just google CFL Plus. But it's gonna

1102
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.599
be on today, argos BC Lions
at Argo's going to be exciting there.

1103
01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:05.239
Anyone else has you questions, any
anything else from you, because you know,

1104
01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:08.920
we could talk all day we figure
out something for this week with what

1105
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:11.519
we want to do for the show, but I just don't want to belabor

1106
01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:15.800
anything today. Yeah, just do
things actually in two different leagues. So

1107
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:18.000
first of all, I agree with
you, tonight's matchup for the CFLs gonna

1108
01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.640
be great. I love that.
Argos BC just first of all, the

1109
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:25.640
color scheme, that orange and blue, the cabridge blue and the bright orange.

1110
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:30.039
I love that contrast. Potential great
Cup preview depending on what happens.

1111
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:34.399
I love the idea of Vernon Adams
junior going against Jack Kelly too, really

1112
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:42.479
outstanding quarterbacks for two leagues. I
think you and Mike need to start getting

1113
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.760
some like rolling bets going on during
the season because you guys are gonna match

1114
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:47.239
up multiple times, and I think
you need to continue this trend of,

1115
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:51.319
like you know, jabbing each other
during this during the season. But this

1116
01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:56.840
is really wonderful to see this matchup
early on and undefeated matchup. BC's defense

1117
01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:00.600
is awesome. They're playing on the
road third time out of four games,

1118
01:09:00.640 --> 01:09:02.560
so I wonder if at some point
does fatigue set in with them being on

1119
01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:05.079
the road so much, or are
they just going to continue rolling like they

1120
01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:11.239
were in Winnipeg for Arlington. Arlington, there are Goonauts. I think it's

1121
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:15.279
weird that they are not favorite at
home. I find that really intriguing.

1122
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:17.520
Again, I think getting the plus
three at home, it's really interesting because

1123
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:23.039
they were not favorite against Hamilton and
they actually slack them and so that that

1124
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:25.960
trend continues. But I think this
is a great matchup, maybe one of

1125
01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:29.399
the best early season matchups of the
season. I look forward to you and

1126
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.840
Jason talking about it on the channel. Again. You guys have been doing

1127
01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:38.119
a great job talking about CFL content
every week with that, So I'm looking

1128
01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:42.039
forward to that game tonight. My
last thing before I go is my line,

1129
01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:45.159
Yeah, it's not dang it,
it's not someone just that cold posted

1130
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:48.359
because it's not so if you're out
of the US. If you're in the

1131
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:51.680
US, it's got to be on
here. It's on CBS Sports Network.

1132
01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:55.319
So I completely like because I'm like, oh, it's showing to hear them.

1133
01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:57.399
Of course, like once I click
the link, if you're in the

1134
01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:00.359
US, get on your YouTube or
your foobo, it's gonna be on CBS

1135
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:02.680
Sports Network. Man, I totally
bust sell. Okay, well that's good

1136
01:10:02.680 --> 01:10:06.159
because that it records for me,
so that's better. That's that's much better.

1137
01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:11.560
But yeah, so CFL contents could
be great. I mean that's the

1138
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.119
thing. It's that there's no off
season for US. It continues here,

1139
01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:17.560
but as far as the USFO goes. My last point is just like just

1140
01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:24.960
just be more accepting or if you're
going to rebrand, just be more you

1141
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:28.960
know, real with yourselves and really
understand that there are other people that need

1142
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:31.479
to be involved, or you don't
treat yourselves as some like special entity that

1143
01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:35.000
is separate from the rest of the
ecosystem and doesn't deserve to have other people

1144
01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:40.000
involved because they don't get it.
That's not the right messaging. I didn't

1145
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:43.359
like that messaging from day one about
real football, real fans. I think

1146
01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:46.760
it's it's conceded, and I think
it's completely out of out of line with

1147
01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:53.760
what the ethos of people's attitudes towards
spring football and a football is. I

1148
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.680
think it's ridiculous. They need to
get out of that mindset and they need

1149
01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:59.199
to move away from that brandy because
I think it really hurts them this season.

1150
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:01.880
They need to to really look at
themselves in the mirror and be realistic

1151
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:06.399
about their expectations next year until they
start making some tangible changes with their markets,

1152
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:10.439
their team branding, and where they're
going. It's as far as their

1153
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:15.399
talent accumulation, as far as to
competing with the XFL and the CFL.

1154
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.119
For players like you need to be
able to account for that. This is

1155
01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:20.680
a different ball game. There's people
involved here. You need to step up

1156
01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:26.359
your game or else. Who knows. You know. If we're coming up

1157
01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:29.640
on year three, it's a really
again another big year for them and to

1158
01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:31.880
see where Fox goes what they're going
forward, but I want to see subtantibal

1159
01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:35.680
changes because quite frankly, it just
felt like more of the same this year

1160
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:40.600
and they need to really step it
up next year. Gregory here has a

1161
01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:43.039
question football question before we get out
of here. You want to see the

1162
01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:47.039
rate the following Stallions players. J
Serberger, Davien Davis, Dean Kane,

1163
01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:51.399
Michael Pedway, Young Kane based on
the Titler game was insane. I mean

1164
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:56.159
that was the one catch he had. There was like three Malers guys draped

1165
01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:58.880
on him there and he threw that
down. Any thoughts on this, Gregor,

1166
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:02.279
we wants to talk real FOOTBA before
we get out here. Well,

1167
01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:06.079
Kane was outstanding as far as the
specialties player, as far as the wide

1168
01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:10.279
receiver goes. I think he was
an excellent signing before the season. I

1169
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:14.079
loved him being added to this team, and quite frankly, he was very

1170
01:12:14.119 --> 01:12:16.199
crucial considering the people that they lost
along the way. And Michael Peway was

1171
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:21.199
great too. I think they're receiving
cores. Jase Sternberger, I mean he's

1172
01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:25.840
I always thought he was going to
stick in the NFL and he just never

1173
01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:29.399
did. He just could not get
the consistency that he needed to have,

1174
01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:32.560
especially when he got drafted by Green
Bay. He was He's I think he's

1175
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:36.439
kind of still in that Cell Canella
role, where like, you're a good

1176
01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:40.680
target, you're big, you have
decent hands, but I'm not sure if

1177
01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:43.279
you're gonna be able to elevate yourself
up to the next level. He may

1178
01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:45.600
just be a spring football lifer for
the rest of the ref of his career.

1179
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:50.479
But he's good. I think he
fits well in this Birmingham offense.

1180
01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:54.960
But as far as all the people
on that list goes, I'd say Dion

1181
01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:57.840
Kane is probably the most important as
far as game breaking. You know,

1182
01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:00.199
he's he's gonna offer you speed,
he's gonna offer you versatility, and his

1183
01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.359
routes. I think he's somebody that
you want to keep around if you can,

1184
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:06.079
But who knows. He might get
another call from a NFL team.

1185
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:10.800
But that that receiving corps is pretty
good overall. Again, considering all the

1186
01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:14.039
injuries they had and the people they
lost, I think Birmingham has to be

1187
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:18.680
pretty pleased what they did, especially
collecting this personnel well. And I didn't

1188
01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:21.560
Dan have three touchdowns in the game
like he had that one. It was

1189
01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:26.079
like the one corner grab and they
went back a review. It was funny

1190
01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:28.720
because he gave the ball off to
the fan and the stands like, this

1191
01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:32.479
is gonna be pretty embarrassing this game. It's like we went and saw years

1192
01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:35.279
ago. I don't know if you
know the band Sugar Colt. They had

1193
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:39.279
you know, Stuck in America and
on bounced off the walls again. They

1194
01:13:39.319 --> 01:13:41.760
were in the Van Wilder movie.
They had their song in there, but

1195
01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:45.720
they were a punk band and they
got it hit, they got you know,

1196
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:47.640
they hit. And they were playing
at the show Box here in Seattle

1197
01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:51.399
and they you know, they play
their thing whatever they do, their little

1198
01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:55.680
set, and they threw off all
their drumsticks and everything and they walk off

1199
01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:59.159
the stage and you were all chanting
on Core, on coren Core, and

1200
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:01.479
they come back out and they go, so we've we've never actually done an

1201
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:05.680
encore before, we've never headlined their
own show. So we're gonna need you

1202
01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:12.319
guys to throw back those drumsticks playing
am I. So then my buddy Nate

1203
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:14.800
ended up catching it. Then they
threw him out again and he caught it

1204
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:15.439
the second time. You know,
the end of the show. And that

1205
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:18.439
would have been like Deon Kane handing
the football back and being like, I

1206
01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:20.880
actually know that that play. I
thought that was funny. I go,

1207
01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:24.920
that's pretty balls and you'd better rather
be pretty sure you got that in then

1208
01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:29.800
that yeah in bounds there to hand
that ball off to the standds. Yeah

1209
01:14:30.079 --> 01:14:32.960
yeah, no, I mean you
might want to tagger receipt to that football

1210
01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:36.279
next time you hand it out.
That was like when Brady handed off or

1211
01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:40.520
someone handed was at Brady's five hundred
and someone handed off and then they had

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to get it from from the face
in the stand and weel, no,

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it was they tried to auction off. It was like they also had an

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auction where it was like, oh, the handoff, well it was the

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handoff, but also like they had
I think his last touchdown and passed or

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his last in that playoff game against
the Rams, and thought it was gonna

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be his last touchdown pass ever,
and someone was trying to auction it off.

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And then the value obviously after he
was sold it was decreased significantly because

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he ended up renouncing he was coming
back. So that was a whole that

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was a whole ordeal. Yeah,
needed to get in on that sand market

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when they were auctioning off the sand
from the beach where he retired. That

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would have been the move. Oh
my god. Yeah, until until that

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doesn't work either. Well, here
we go. I appreciate it. Like

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I said, Jason, I will
be back tomorrow, same time, nine

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am. We'll be do in our
CFL recap Big Game tonight. We'll figure

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out this week. It's just weird
because of the fourth and the holidays and

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all that. I have weddings Saturday
Sunday or Friday Saturday, so we will

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kind of figure out what the show
looks like on Friday. But appreciate everyone.

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I appreciate Andy, how Pat makes
it home safe. Thank you guys.

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Like I said, like and subscribe
here and that where as my stuff

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here. We'll get out of here. Thanks so much. Nine sho