WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:09.679 Well, Whiskey Coming Fame by Paine my Brain, Oh Don't let Me Go 2 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:17.960 from Powerline blog dot com and produced by Ricochet dot Com. This is the 3 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:26.039 three Whiskey Happy Hour with your bartenders Steve Hayward, John You and Powerlines International 4 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:33.200 Woman of Mystery Lucresha. You gotta give me and let that whiskey blow where 5 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:39.560 you've been in love down in low? Well? Was this the week that 6 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:43.079 Joe Biden finally face planet such that he's not going to get back up again? 7 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:46.679 And why is the Supreme Court continuing to disappoint us and keep us waiting 8 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:49.920 on all the big stuff that we've been waiting for all year? Well, 9 00:00:50.039 --> 00:00:53.280 the three Whiskey Happy Hour is going to take it on right now with Lucresha, 10 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:55.759 the International Woman of Mystery. Hi, Lucresha, how are you with 11 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:00.399 Steve and with John You? Who's working on what is it? Angels Envy 12 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:04.719 whiskey or angels Envy? Yep? Because I've been drinking the same bourbons too 13 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:07.640 much, I try to set. I decided to get a new one, 14 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:14.640 so I got a leader and a half bottle of Costco angels Envy Kentucky straight 15 00:01:14.719 --> 00:01:19.560 Bourbon whiskey finished in port wine barrels forty three point three alcohol. Oh, 16 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:26.120 the listener when recommended that to me. Honestly, John, it's very nice. 17 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:29.799 Yeah. Often you see, like when you go to a nice bar 18 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:34.239 restaurant, this is usually one of the more higher end bourbons available. It's 19 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:38.280 not like a rare one or anything, but does taste awfully good. Yeah, 20 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:41.280 I have to enjoy that by Steve. Yeah, see, that's just 21 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.200 it. I'm on the road and so sadly I am drinking water tonight, 22 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:49.599 which is really lame. But is it tap water from your room? Yes? 23 00:01:49.879 --> 00:01:52.359 But hey, this way, you don't have a mini bar. There's 24 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:55.280 no mini bar in there. You know, I'm any bar. I haven't 25 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.120 even checked y out. I should, that's uh. They're like at me. 26 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.200 All right, let's get down to business, though, Lucia, what's 27 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:07.840 lucreastia trouble right point? And it's oh, looks like the same thing. 28 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:13.319 You're drinking water too, Because it's okay, it's late, and I, 29 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:15.000 like John, I'm not a night person, so I didn't want to put 30 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:21.599 myself to sleep. I already had four glasses before earlier. But oh okay, 31 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:23.280 well then yeah, then you're ready to go, right, I'm ready 32 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:28.759 to go. I'm not going to disappoint tonight. Don't you worry? Well, 33 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:32.879 when do you ever? So? Look, this is uh. Normally 34 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:37.800 I don't much like to spend time talking on to the immediate news. That's 35 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:39.479 what you know, the McLachlin group and all those silly old shows are for. 36 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:43.120 But this was a strange week. It seems to me. The week 37 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:46.560 began with everyone thinking Donald Trump is on the ropes, boy is he in 38 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:49.639 a heap of trouble? And then came the news what was a Tuesday or 39 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:53.680 Wednesday that Hunter Biden got the sweetheart plea deal with you know, probation and 40 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:58.280 a fine, and he showed up at the White House state dinner for Prime 41 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:00.759 Minister Modi from India. I want to come back at that point because I 42 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:04.479 think that's actually significant. But then by the end of the week, when 43 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:09.360 Moore was coming out about some real sounds like smoking guns about Biden corruption and 44 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:14.400 Hunter Biden, they've got the what's apt message of Hunter Biden shaking down some 45 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:17.120 Chinese businessman in the most crude way, saying I'm sitting here with my you 46 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:21.400 know, my father and you know where's the money, And it came out 47 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:23.520 late on Friday that in fact, the money was delivered days later, you 48 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:28.560 know, five million dollars rather than them. So and the media is starting 49 00:03:28.599 --> 00:03:34.120 to beat on the White House spokespeople about this more than just the Fox newspeople 50 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:37.520 of Newsmax. And I think they smell blood in the water. And so 51 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:38.439 I'll come back to all that. But by the end of the week, 52 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:43.080 Kirby ran off the stage rather than yeah, that's right, Kirby ran away, 53 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:46.439 and U and Jean Pierre, the bloodhead doesn't have to she's just so. 54 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:51.360 She's so dumb she can say anything and they just accept it. Well, 55 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:53.080 I've noticed that, you know, she has an odd sentence structure. 56 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.879 This or run on sentences that she does that are now all the same. 57 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:59.319 But never mind that. But by the end of the week, the point 58 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:00.680 is is, I didn't look like he was in some trouble, and all 59 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:05.639 of a sudden the fortunes seemed to be reversed. So I'm going on too 60 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:09.479 long, look like he was in some trouble, but now it seems the 61 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:15.759 fortune right exactly. Okay, Now I said a note to both of you 62 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:19.839 that you know, I'm so old. I remember when Watergate turned because you 63 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:23.600 know, throughout the fall of seventy two, in the early months of seventy 64 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.600 three, the Democrats were holding hearings on Capitol Hill. They're making a big 65 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.879 fuss about Watergate, and the media said not much to it. You know, 66 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.079 there's these burglars, they're gonna get sentenced. Then they were sentenced, 67 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:36.160 and then I think it was James McCord wrote the famous letter that got released 68 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:40.639 to Judge Serrica saying there's so much more to this, and we've been paid 69 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.360 hush money, and the whole thing suddenly blew up, and I'm starting to 70 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:48.199 think that that's what's just happened here, or is about to happen. And 71 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:54.800 one little thing to remember is one of the things about Watergate that people forget 72 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:59.720 now is who's the movie about. Right, Woodward and Bernstein. Who are 73 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:02.319 those two guys. They were metro reporters. They were this is why Bob 74 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:09.240 Woodward was at the courthouse. They were covering DC City news. It wasn't 75 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:13.839 any national political reporter or White House reporter who broke any of the important Watergate 76 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:15.720 stories. It was these two city reporters. And by the way, Bernstein 77 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.560 was about to be fired because he wasn't really any good, which all his 78 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:24.040 subsequent books showed right exactly. And the point is is that the rest of 79 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.639 the past press corps, a lot of them, they were already already bad 80 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:30.199 and already hated Nixon, but they felt like they'd been had and they got 81 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:34.199 so surly and I think, let's continue to get worse ever since. And 82 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:38.920 so that's one part of the story is the media suddenly became a feeding frenzy. 83 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:42.240 And although Woodward and Bernstein had the lead on all that, and you 84 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.759 know, the New York Times broke one or two stories, but it was 85 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:46.639 these two city reporters. Well what does that tell you, if you're a 86 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:50.600 national political reporter or a White House reporter, that these two young, unknown 87 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:55.439 city guys, people in the city desk are the ones who beat you to 88 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:59.079 the biggest story in journalism in fifty years. Well they were mad about that. 89 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:01.680 So I don't know. I'm um, last thing I'll say, I'm 90 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:04.040 not following you, just so you know, Steve, go ahead, what 91 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:08.399 well you're not following me? Following the point? Who are the metro city 92 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:13.160 reporters? And and how is the White House good today and Biden. Well, 93 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:15.000 no, I mean I think that it was press corp. It was 94 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.160 around March or April seventy three, even the National Press Corps said hey, 95 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:21.120 we've been had here, there's this, this is a big story. And 96 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:25.120 they you know, they were you know, they were already hated Nixon, 97 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.360 but then they really did. And yeah, but they don't hate Biden, 98 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:31.920 and they they will protect Biden at all costs. And they've been shown over 99 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:39.839 and over and over and over again how corrupt the the Biden White House was 100 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:43.240 before. Yeah. Well look, well we'll see about that. I mean, 101 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.920 remember the Clinton scandal in ninety eight and ninety nine, you know, 102 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:48.360 the blue dress and all the rest of that. When there's a good story, 103 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:53.160 when there's blood in the water, journalists, some journalists will set asideer 104 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:57.519 ideology and go after the good story. I think that's true even with liberal 105 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:00.839 reporters. M But then the other thing, Cresia, I'm gonna are on 106 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:04.560 this, but for a different reason, which is I think that the popular 107 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:11.720 culture has mythologized the importance of Woodward and Bernstein and put him down Mixon and 108 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:14.959 made it seem like it was the media that brought him down. Of course 109 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:16.560 the media is going to think that. And they made a movie. I 110 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:20.040 thought it was pretty good movie, and you know, Woodward wrote these books. 111 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:24.800 But the thing they had that I don't think we have here yet is 112 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:29.480 you had a criminal trial with a judge, John Judge Sirca, right. 113 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:35.160 The seems was like maybe either in public or in private, was releasing details 114 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:39.879 of the investigation into Watergate while it was going on. What you're not supposed 115 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:43.279 to do, but that drove this story. And then you had hearings in 116 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.160 Congress, which we don't have right now, which also right, both of 117 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:53.199 those events kind of officially drawing to good hearings. There's something give it time, 118 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.560 I think. I mean that maybe these impeachment hearings that where you might 119 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.399 talk about might be the ones. I don't think the hearings we've had so 120 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:03.000 far the trick yet, because they don't seem to have the Oh if they're 121 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.040 not putting enough resources and time into it, or they do more, they 122 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.279 should be doing more, or or if Steve's theory about the media will finally 123 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:15.120 pick up on it is completely wrong because they're just not willing to pick up 124 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.920 on it, and they're not willing to do anything that might infect endanger. 125 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.040 I don't think they have any love, especially for Biden, but they're just 126 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:28.399 so afraid of the possibility that Trump might get back in there that that you 127 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:33.480 know, they'll they'll protect Biden and Hunter at all Trump. They want Trump 128 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.480 to run, though, because he's so good for business. I think I 129 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:39.120 do think that's true of some of them, But it's certainly not true of 130 00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:43.320 those White House reporters and those people who have you know, who make it 131 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:50.279 their business to protect the left democratic politicians at all costs. I don't think 132 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:56.240 it's true of them. I just and I don't see what Steve is saying 133 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:01.399 very often happening lately. Maybe maybe I will, I will acknowledge that there's 134 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:07.159 a possibility it's moving in that direction. But I only heard about the press 135 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.440 conference today. I heard about it. I didn't see it. I heard 136 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:16.919 about it reported, and I didn't hear anybody but Fox News reporters actually trying 137 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:22.639 to press mop Head for answers. So you could be right, and I 138 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:24.840 just don't know about it, but I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of 139 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.399 that. I am still seeing the New York Times, the Washington Post, 140 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:33.480 even The Wall Street Journal is not highlighting any of this stuff. Yeah. 141 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:37.120 Well, my point it's just that I don't I don't think it can be 142 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:41.919 media driven to you know, OUs to president or to do them serious harm 143 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:46.720 or her serious arm. It's got to be some kind of governmental power with 144 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:52.039 the ability to force witnesses to answer questions and not lie, to have to 145 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:56.320 bring them to prosecute somebody first, Yes, exactly, I don't know. 146 00:09:56.360 --> 00:10:01.480 I mean, I was shocked when I saw Hunter Biden show up. Let's 147 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:05.120 move on this way. Hunter Biden shows up at the state dinner for Prime 148 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.639 Minister Modi. Biden hasn't had a lot of state dinners because he falls to 149 00:10:07.639 --> 00:10:11.039 sleep at seven thirty in the evening. I think most of the time. 150 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:15.120 You know, almost all presidents have had someone in her family, often a 151 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:18.679 child or a sibling, who has tried to capitalize on brother or brother. 152 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:24.240 Billy Carter right, Roger Clinton right, got singing gigs in and you know, 153 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:28.639 presidents have often worried about this, and he always usually had somebody tasked 154 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:31.120 with lookout for the kids, look out for my brother, or find out 155 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.120 what they're doing, trying to keep them out of trouble, try to keep 156 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:37.120 them from embarrassing me. So that was the care or they they screwed up 157 00:10:37.159 --> 00:10:41.440 because they could have just pulled a Kennedy and made them attorney general in charge 158 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:45.519 of law enforcement. Right. But by the way, that's what Joe Biden 159 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.279 went wrong. He should have made Hunter Biding an attorney general. Right. 160 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:50.559 Well, but I mean, you know, it's uh, you know, 161 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:54.480 Ronald Reagan was always worried about his adopted son, Michael Reagan, trying to 162 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:58.879 trade on his business. Yeah, that's right. And you know when they 163 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.559 remember the daughter, right, well, of course she was just out for 164 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:07.320 grandstanding and it was a political embarrassing. It was a ballet dancer. That 165 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.480 was his son, Ron junior, right, yeah, yeah, and he 166 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.320 was fine. It was the other two. Yeah, that's why I meant 167 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.320 the son, right, Ron Reagan Junior. Yeah, right. And but 168 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:24.639 they were mostly political challenges, not ethical ones. There is, by the 169 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.960 way, still oft in the mists a Donald Nixon link to the whole Watergate 170 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.200 story that I want to go into now, possibly right. So, but 171 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.639 the point is, I don't think that any of those presidents would have had 172 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:39.159 one of their ethically challenged offspring to a White House, state dinner. I 173 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:43.039 mean, they're throwing it in our face. Yeah, except that that they've 174 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:48.399 also got Again, My point is, how many articles did you see saying 175 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:54.600 it's time to lay off poor, poor suffering Hunter Biden and all. There's 176 00:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.960 all of these articles out there trying to create sympathy for Biden's sympathy for Hunt 177 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:05.399 and making it look like anybody going after him is just a horrible, mean 178 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:09.279 person, because don't you know, we've all had children that were challenges and 179 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:13.320 it's just crap. But those against what you're saying, Steve, is the 180 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:16.919 problem. I guess. I guess I lead a charmed life only reading the 181 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.840 New York Post in the Daily Mail. Is they're not running those kind of 182 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.360 articles. Oh no, yeah, you should read the Times, in the 183 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.960 Journal and the Post. They're full of really we lay off full stories like 184 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.519 what do parents do when they have children like Hunter? How do they show 185 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.759 support? I'm like, I'm a lucre. I almost wretched when I read 186 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.639 that article. Ah, I sold them five of them, all right. 187 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:45.519 But then the other thing is I woke up what Thursday morning and read or 188 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:48.360 maybe Wednesday afternoon, I don't know, and read that the House had voted 189 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.960 to impeach the president. And I wait a minute. You know, Margie 190 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:56.080 Marjorie Taylor Green had introduced the resolution as a privileged motion, meaning it had 191 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:58.279 to be voted on by the full House, and I thought, well, 192 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.679 she's gonna get sixty votes or something, and this is kind of a stunt. 193 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.759 But in fact they've voted by a majority of the whole house. Now 194 00:13:05.799 --> 00:13:09.600 they didn't. It's not actually, I misspoke slightly. It's not actually impeachment 195 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.600 now going to a Senate trial. It's referring a question of impeachment to a 196 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:18.200 judiciary committee and one other committee. And that's the way impeachment should be done, 197 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:20.759 right and the way they've always been done in the past except for Trump. 198 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:24.600 Um, So you know, that's an end of three or something. 199 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.440 Frankly, Steve, I had never I had not heard that. Now. 200 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:30.279 It's been a busy week. But when I tried to look it up, 201 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.159 I couldn't find it. It took me a good twenty minutes of reaching to 202 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:39.000 find anything about that story. Really, I wonder how I saw it. 203 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.879 I get I get constant New York Post emails. I must get fifty or 204 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:48.600 sixty of them a day. Nothing, nothing from the New York Post on 205 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.399 it. Nothing. Yeah, well, I mean I think they're impeaching. 206 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.320 Well, it'd be great if you could center I got, but not the 207 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.720 Yeah, I think they're impeaching the wrong person. I think mayorcus is now 208 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:03.279 should be impeached. We'll turn to that in a moment too. But well, 209 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.799 I don't know, you know, we'll see if that goes anywhere. 210 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.159 Um, the impeachment hearings could turn into the hearings about the corruption of the 211 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:18.240 Biden family. We'll just have to see. I was going to say, 212 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:22.799 one thing you could have impeachment on that doesn't have to do with the bribery 213 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:30.000 is just the what's the blowers that testified yesterday and today about pressure being brought 214 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:33.159 on the Justice Department not to fully investigate by I mean that's for and after 215 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.399 the election. Yeah, yeah, it's it's this conduct of Biden as president. 216 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.399 That's not you're not impeaching him for. It's not clear to me you 217 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:45.519 could impeach someone for taking a bribe before you were a president, right, 218 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.879 because you're not president yet. But yeah, I don't think that's the best 219 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.720 grounds. It's if you're an investigate, but obstruction of utilizing the levers of 220 00:14:52.799 --> 00:15:01.200 government to prevent that an investigation, prosecution from occurring, and and utilizing them 221 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:07.080 further to cover that up and prevent the story about it from um being in 222 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:13.759 any way sort of broadcast, you know, working on social media and everyone 223 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.840 else to keep the story from from getting out there. That seems to me 224 00:15:16.080 --> 00:15:22.960 quite clearly to be impeachable conduct. Right, Yeah, you're right, take 225 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.320 a bribe when you're president. That was under a that was on Obama's watch, 226 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.159 and he should be held accountable. But we can't hold him accountable anymore 227 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.360 either. He obviously knew that was going on, but the fact that he 228 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:39.759 did those things was a political fact that should have been allowed to be discussed 229 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:41.639 prior to the election, because well, you know, if you believe the 230 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:46.440 polls, if people had known about the Hunter Hunter Biden laptop, if they'd 231 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:54.279 known more about to Biden, the what's is Joe Biden's corruption in with parisma 232 00:15:54.399 --> 00:15:58.440 with China, etc. Etc. They wouldn't have voted for him because the 233 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:04.440 whole thing is he's a good moderate guy, nice guy, blah blah blah, 234 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:11.240 human being. That's beside the point. Well, you know, I 235 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.919 mean, I want to move on I will say that one avenue investigation might 236 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.200 be to explore the rumors, which is to say, is there any paperwork? 237 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:22.799 Are there people from the White House Council's Office under Obama who can testify 238 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:30.720 to their worries expressed that Biden was cutting corners ethically when he was vice president. 239 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.000 There's no stories about this for for years, going back to the Obama 240 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:37.840 years, and someone should ask about that. See if there any documents, 241 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.440 I don't know, have to pride them out of the Obama well presidential library, 242 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:45.320 I suppose, and that will be difficult, but still they're probably hidden 243 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:48.919 in clinton sock roar by this point, I don't know you know that story. 244 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:57.200 H All right, let's turn to the court because that's what prompts my 245 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:02.960 idea that we need to impeach Marc, I said Homeland Security. So don 246 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.200 John, we keep waiting for the big cases and they keep They're all going 247 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:08.759 to come next week and it's going to be flood the zone. It's going 248 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:12.960 to be horrible to do a special issue issue. Maybe at the Court is 249 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:17.400 not running along the three whiskey happy hour schedule. I don't know what the 250 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:21.200 hell is wrong with those guys. I thought they were listening. I know 251 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:23.119 we have a lot of listeners in the federal and state judiciaries. I was 252 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:27.000 hoping one or two of them were on the Supreme Court and they knew we 253 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:30.759 were taping tonight, expecting they were going to announce some of the things and 254 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.440 one thing. Yeah. So one of the things that happened was they just 255 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:40.200 we were all talking about this, they just added another opinion announcement date for 256 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:45.559 next Tuesday, So there's two more days that Before that happened, it was 257 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.519 reasonable soon we'll be talking about the student loan case and the wedding planner case 258 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:53.000 tonight and maybe the Harvard case on Monday. But now your rights seems all 259 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:56.440 going to be next week and more of the West Virginia is this term also, 260 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:59.960 right, that's the one about more of us Harper, more of us 261 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.759 the North Carolina. A lot of people expect that one to be kicked out 262 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:08.400 on And this goes to something we're talking to talk about about things like standing 263 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:12.720 ripeness and mooteness that the court may well decide they can't hear that case anymore. 264 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:17.720 You have a little bit of context, John, Yeah, so uh, 265 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.799 you know Lucretia before, but people might not remember Lucretia's anxious because the 266 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:26.599 one case to discuss, the one case today that is interesting is called US 267 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:29.359 versus Texas. Right, Well, I meant the more case. You guys 268 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:33.680 mentioned the more case. Yeah, oh, well, the more cases about 269 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:38.319 what's called the independent state legislature theory. And this is a case about in 270 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:42.039 North Carolina, the state legislature, as it says, under the constitution, 271 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:48.519 drew the congressional maps, and then the North Carolina Supreme Court overruled the legislature 272 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.720 threw their map out, and so the North Carolina legislature says, well, 273 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:59.480 the Constitution says the state legislature, right does every regulates a time, place, 274 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:03.240 and manners of elections. There's there's no right of any other branch of 275 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:07.440 government to overrule us. So the reason people are in a tizzy about that 276 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:14.000 case is not just its redistricting, but a parallel provision says the state legislatures 277 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:19.359 also decide how you pick presidential electors. And so that was the theory that 278 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:26.559 our friend John Eastman proposed to President Trump, which was well, it says 279 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.680 in the Constitution the state legislatures picked the electors. So the more versus Harper 280 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:37.240 case has obvious implications about the twenty twenty and maybe the twenty twenty four elections 281 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:42.599 too. Yeah. Right, so we'll see if they is your prediction that 282 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:47.480 they will decide or the predictions you are mentioning that they will decide. It's 283 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:53.160 a nonjiciable issue because of the there's been a new election in North Carolina and 284 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:59.440 some of the justices on the North Carolina Supreme Court have changed and they just 285 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.079 overrule themselves. And so they said, no, no, your map, 286 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:08.799 your legislature, legislature, your map is okay now, and so that's right, 287 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:17.000 might be yeah, because no, no, just because the Supreme Court. 288 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.640 The way you think of mootness is no matter what the Supreme Court does, 289 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:25.039 it wouldn't change the outcome of the case that was ross waiting. It 290 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:30.599 didn't stop them. So there's an exception for pregnancy. It actually is, 291 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:34.160 it's not called the pregnancy exception, but there's an exception for things like pregnancy, 292 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:38.079 because they say inevitably, every nine months the case will become moot. 293 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:44.400 So it's so, and you'll like, this is the name of the doptrine 294 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:48.920 is called the exception to mootness is called repetition yet evading review. So the 295 00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:55.160 idea was you could be continuously getting pregnant, having a kid and never come 296 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:56.880 up for review. Because I mean, well that's why the case in nine 297 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.839 months. Well that's why the Harvard admissions case comes. I mean, it's 298 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.240 a case brought nine years ago. And by now the original plaintiffs have finished 299 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:10.000 law school and right, okay, well let's talk to them about Texas. 300 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:15.839 Well, yeah, let me let me explain the Texas case because I don't 301 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:19.000 want to give a lecture or anything. So, but there's a there's a 302 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:25.759 lucretia mentioned non just dishability. So there's this idea that the court federal courts 303 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:30.640 apply, which is we will not hear a case unless it has a standing 304 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:36.519 and it's not moot and it's ripe. So this case Texas, which is 305 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:44.119 a case by Texas against the Biden administration for what Texas claims is reducing the 306 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:48.559 enforcement of the immigration laws along the border. And so Texas essentially said, 307 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:56.720 we want the court to order the Biden administration to increase enforcement of the immigration 308 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:03.920 laws along the border because they should, and nobody disputes us because the costs 309 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:08.559 to Texas in terms of higher healthcare in terms of higher crime has gone up. 310 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:14.079 Texas has been injured in fact, is the phrase. And so we 311 00:22:14.119 --> 00:22:15.519 should be Texas as. We should be able to go to court and sue. 312 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.119 Maybe we'll lose on the merits or not, but at least we have 313 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:22.960 the right to come into court. That's what standing is about. So the 314 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:27.160 court here, this is actually I really dislike this opinion. I started thinking 315 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:32.960 I was really gonna like it because I have I'm not sure Texas, like 316 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:34.799 states should have the right to sue the United States on things like this. 317 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:41.680 But I think Kavna got it very very wrong, like really badly wrong. 318 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:51.440 And this is one of the times when I think uh Alito has things right. 319 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:55.079 And even though he's dissenting all by himself, none of the other conservatives 320 00:22:55.119 --> 00:23:02.720 went with him. Thomas went with Kamina on this well, so Horsh Thomas 321 00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:06.440 and Amy Coney Barrett went off on a different ground. They also thought there 322 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.599 was no standing, but for a different reason. Okay, so there is 323 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:18.039 really and I'm I'm only and I'm not saying this because I only recently discovered 324 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.200 because it's on the second to last page that I was cited in the alito 325 00:23:21.279 --> 00:23:27.880 descent eleven. Yeah, I mean totally misines. But like in the weeds 326 00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:30.960 of Theotno eleven, I've got it right in front of me. I've sited 327 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:37.440 there. Well, I'm then go back and excited. But let me let 328 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:40.519 me explain that. Let me explain what Kavanaugh said. So, um, 329 00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:42.799 the three components of standing are we call injury in fact, which means you 330 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:47.279 suffer some harm. So everyone says Texas suffer to harm. They have to 331 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:51.720 they have higher you know, healthcare costs, higher crime costs. It has 332 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:56.519 to be traceable, uh, which means it has to the conduct of the 333 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.759 defendant. Here, the government can be traced to your harm. It's like 334 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:06.519 causation, what the government did cause your harm. The third ground is called 335 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:14.279 redressability, which means and the court can order something that to cure your harm, 336 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:19.279 to stop the government's action and cure your harm. Cavanaugh kind of makes 337 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:25.240 up a fourth reason which is not in standing doctrine, which is, well, 338 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:30.000 is this legally cognizable? This is his phrase, is a legally cognizable 339 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.079 harm. That's actually not part of standing doctrine. It just doesn't really make 340 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:38.000 any sense exactly. It's circular because it's a legally cognizable harm if the court 341 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:44.599 says it's legally cognizable. The point of standing was it didn't matter what your 342 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:48.319 legal claim was at all. You could be You could say my legal claim 343 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:52.759 is to be King Charles the First of America. But standing is just about 344 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:56.319 are you suffering some kind of harm? Are you injured in some way? 345 00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:59.799 It doesn't have to do with the law. It just has to do with 346 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.400 are you losing money, did you get hit by car? You know, 347 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:07.960 something like that. So to say it's a least makes no sense. Actually, 348 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:11.599 the Crestia is completely right about this. Yeah, And if the more 349 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.880 you look into it, the real argument, I think the kind of the 350 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:21.079 central thing that that Alito says that really hit me that they Texas didn't just 351 00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:25.319 say they need to enforce the law and you know, arrest more people. 352 00:25:25.359 --> 00:25:30.519 They went to a very specific part of what Congress said the executive must do 353 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:37.480 because of Congress had passed a law specifically because of a failure to do that 354 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:41.839 in the past. So what they did was they said, if an illegal 355 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.519 alien has committed these kinds of crimes, they must be subject too. And 356 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:51.599 all that the Biden administration ever claimed was. Besides, the standing issue was 357 00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:56.640 we just don't have the resources and to be able to do that. Now, 358 00:25:56.240 --> 00:26:00.319 the fact that the court emen took that up because they did not not 359 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.839 a lot, but they took it up. You don't have the resources because 360 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:06.440 you're not securing the border. That's the problem. So why you even would 361 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:11.480 make that argument. But back to the point at hand, what Kavanaugh says 362 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:17.359 is, we're not saying that states might not ever have the ability to show 363 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:22.759 an injury. In fact, that what it comes down to asking for the 364 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.480 executive to enforce the law. We're not saying that you could never bring a 365 00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:30.920 case to try to get the executive to enforce the law. But if that 366 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.359 would be like if they weren't enforcing it at all or hardly at all, 367 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:41.160 and they made up this ridiculous sort of indefinite well, you know, it's 368 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.119 just they'd have to prove more lack of enforcement than they proved here and some 369 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.839 crop like that. I mean, there's just all these faults with it, 370 00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:53.039 and I just don't understand the general idea. Well, you guys wrote back 371 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:56.880 and said, maybe there's a separation of powers issue here, and I try 372 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:03.759 to take that argument seriously, But I don't think so here um to Congress. 373 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.400 I mean, this is this is kind of the argument. I don't 374 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.359 I don't think I agree with the Lucuia. I'm not persuaded by Kavanaugh's opinion. 375 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.720 At the m R just says, well, it's not so bad. 376 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.680 Congress can do something about it. I think the real separation of powers issue 377 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:26.160 here that the Conservatives have really promoted for forty fifty years in favor of standing, 378 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.440 is that you have to limit the judicial power. And you have to 379 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.319 understand that's a world where they're trying to limit the war in court, and 380 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:41.000 so standing became really important to conservative judges and justices. Justice Scalia that was 381 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.039 like one of his most important articles probably helped Scalia created the three pronged tests 382 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:48.279 that you just mentioned. Yeah. The one that brought him to the attention 383 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:53.880 I think of conservative justice department people is he wrote about standing in the seventies 384 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:57.960 as an obscure administrative law professor. But if you think about it, so 385 00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:04.319 the tion of powers argument is you have to limit the courts to deciding real 386 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:11.039 cases. Article three says the judicial power extends to cases and controversies, and 387 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.880 so they're reacting to a world under the warrant Court where the judges were just 388 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.640 they're trying to take over society. They were running prisons, school districts, 389 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:23.319 right, they were finding emanations of pnumbers of constitution arts. So this was 390 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:30.400 part of the general pushback of the Reagan years against judicial activism. But this 391 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:34.359 is a thing. It has no roots in the original understanding. As far 392 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:40.279 as anyone can tell, the founders did not. This phrase standing doesn't exist 393 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:42.799 at the time of the Founding, and they were much more i think, 394 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:49.400 much more accommodating to lawsuits coming into the federal courts. And it's not until 395 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.200 this is the part stevil like, it's not until the New Deal and really 396 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:57.400 the Great Society, when courts start getting flooded with all these made up new 397 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:03.440 kinds of laws and causes of action that did never that never existed before, 398 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.119 and that's when you start to see the phrase standing appear in the cases. 399 00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:11.559 It's it's really a response to the Left and what they did to the law. 400 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.599 Well, when you were talking about standing, John, one of the 401 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:18.200 things I always try to explain to students when I'm trying to get them to 402 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:25.960 understand the concept is the whole the whole concept of third party. A third 403 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:36.039 I cannot sue. You cannot sue if John Eastman is disbarred for the harm 404 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:40.079 it was done to you, just because maybe you happen to testify in his 405 00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:47.519 case you were not harmed in fact, speaking speaking hypothetically here, but I 406 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:52.920 mean, I can't if my neighbor is talking down the street and trips in 407 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.119 front of somebody else's property and gets hurt, I can't sue on my neighbor's 408 00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.240 behalf. That's a silly example, but it's the idea that you have to 409 00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:06.720 be a party that is actually injured so that in this case there can be 410 00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:11.119 a genuine remedy offered to you by the legal process, right. And Scalia 411 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.680 had, Yeah, Scalia had this great line about this. He said, 412 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:19.240 if anybody is allowed to basically sue to enforce the rights of other people, 413 00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:25.319 his view was, then every single decision of the executive branch and the legislature 414 00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.440 will be challenged by somebody in court. And then he has this great phrase. 415 00:30:27.440 --> 00:30:32.359 He said, that would be tantamount to making the Supreme Court the third 416 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:37.160 house of the legislature because they will get to vote and effectively veto anything the 417 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.200 other two houses want to do. I don't know if that's actually true, 418 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:44.039 but that's what he that's the rhetoric he used about why you need standing doctrine. 419 00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:45.119 Well, this is what I was going to bring out. You mentioned 420 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.480 lou the way I always translate Luhan, which is what nineteen eighty nine or 421 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.920 ninety I think to Blake said, Yeah on the calendar two. Yeah, 422 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:59.759 the way I always restated is uh, it says you can't any old citizen 423 00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:03.440 just sue for a generalized harm to society. That's maybe a little overbroad. 424 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:07.319 But I'm wondering if and I've seen a couple of people today comment that this 425 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.599 decision, although it's disappointing on the merits on immigration, is actually bad news 426 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.519 for the left. And I'll give you a couple of examples. You don't 427 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:17.480 think so, Lucretia, Well, let me give you a couple of examples 428 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:19.960 and work through them. One is, as someone said, remember the Mass 429 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:25.319 versus EPA case from two thousand and seven. That's what gave the EPA the 430 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:30.240 authority to regulate greenhouse gases. And some i think Jonathan Adders said it may 431 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:36.519 cast that case into some doubt. Yeah, and then there's two current ones 432 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.839 that are on my mind. I wrote about this last week. You may 433 00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:42.640 I don't know if you saw this case John out of the DC Circuit a 434 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:48.160 week ago Friday. It was the main lobsterman's case. And what happened there. 435 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.680 It was the main lobstermen against the National Marine Fishery Service or whatever bureaucracy 436 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:56.359 it is in Department of Interior that wants to introduce some very aggressive new regulations 437 00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.839 of the lobster industry, which by the way, is thriving in the Northeast. 438 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:04.079 I know a lot about that story that I will not mention any about 439 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.160 now. But they don't need regulation. Is that just because you eat lots 440 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.960 of lobsters that doesn't count. Steve, he's a kind of guy. He 441 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.240 would put his face in the Atlantic Ocean and come up with a lobster in 442 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:20.799 his mouth like a bear with a salmon in the elasti. Anyway, what 443 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:29.319 was interesting about this decision was the bid administration was pushing a very aggressive regulatory 444 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:34.000 scheme based on essentially what the court noticed was the worst case scenario. A 445 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.599 parade of horrible is about how horrible conditions are going to be ten fifteen twenty 446 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.200 thirty years out right, whales would be dying left and right, and all 447 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:45.440 these ecological harms to the seabed. And the judges said, you know, 448 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.200 essentially, they almost said it this straightforwardly, you don't get to pick the 449 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.799 worst case scenario just because it's the most convenient for you. And they also 450 00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:57.519 rejected Chevron difference and lots of other things, a three zero decision, and 451 00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.119 a lot of people said, huh, that's interesting because we have all these 452 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:05.880 climate suits going on on behalf of kids. I don't know if you're following 453 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.640 this, but they're in district court. Judges have allowed them to proceed to 454 00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:14.079 trial, and I think they're trying to get around the Luhan problem by saying, 455 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:15.160 we have kids, we're gonna you know, we're gonna be a live 456 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:20.119 for sixty seventy years, and the government is not securing our future. They 457 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.119 want a judge to issue an injunction too. I don't know what double the 458 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.119 gas tacks put oil companies out of business. Actually, one of the claims 459 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:31.920 is we should hold the hold the major energy companies liable for climate damages, 460 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:37.680 which means pay US billions of dollars. So it seems to me by Oakland 461 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:45.400 against the energy companies for exactly it's and yeah, right now, but all 462 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:50.240 of the factual claims about what's going to happen are based on a particular scenario 463 00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:54.599 of future environmental damages that even the UN's science body has backed away from. 464 00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:59.720 So, in other words, they're using an unrealistic, overly pessimistic forecast. 465 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:01.319 And I think you take that DC circuit case and say, you know, 466 00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:05.599 you can make all those claims, but you can't. You can't just cherry 467 00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:09.440 pick some crazy scenario case dismissed. It seems to me in this case today 468 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:14.639 and always together, let me ask Let me ask you, guys, you're 469 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.920 the political scientists here. If it was just purely matter of politics, I 470 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:23.000 could see how standing is a useful tool to cut back on the activism of 471 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:27.360 the war on court, which was not which was solely based in the caprice 472 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.960 of judges. But now the activism, if you want to call it, 473 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:35.360 that is in the hands of originalists who want to return the Constitution back to 474 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.639 the original understanding. So let me ask you, does it make sense for 475 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:45.719 a judiciary now with a majority of originalists, to limit itself with standing shouldn't 476 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:50.360 they get you know, my argument was John to in actual answer to that 477 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:57.199 is it doesn't because just because they create a whole series of precedents re establishing 478 00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:04.480 standing as a as a self imposed judicial restraint. There have been self imposed 479 00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:08.159 judicial restraints before, and the left will ignore them whenever it suits their purposes, 480 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:14.320 which I think will happen again. They ought to take advantage. First 481 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:19.079 of all, I didn't find the argument by any of the people on either 482 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.920 the majority opinion or the concurrence to be compelling. I thought Alito's arguments were 483 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:28.559 very much more compelling. The other thing I would say is I have yet 484 00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:35.440 to hear a standing case, and maybe I'm missing them where it hasn't benefited 485 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:42.000 the left. I think that these standing cases are actually being encouraged, shall 486 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:47.639 we say, by Roberts, because of his stupid obsession with the integrity of 487 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.519 the court at the expense of the Constitution. I'm all in favor of the 488 00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:54.719 integrity of the Court too, and I get that the Court is under a 489 00:35:54.840 --> 00:36:01.480 tremendous amount of criticism the Conserve members and so forth. But have a set 490 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:07.320 or grow a pair, or whatever you want to say, because the point 491 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.679 of the matter is there's no point in having integrity in the court if the 492 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:15.239 Constitution is not their guide. And I think in this case, the Constitution 493 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:20.599 is clearly not his guide. It wasn't And I don't think Kavina. I 494 00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.920 think Kavna just does what Roberts tells him too. Personally. I don't know. 495 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:28.000 Maybe I'm wrong about that, but his arguments were terrible. This is 496 00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:31.239 this is a good point Lucretian makes, and there's I mean, this is 497 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:36.360 what passes for theory in law schools. You know, we don't reach the 498 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.400 exalted heights of talking about Maki valley or house or so on. You know, 499 00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:44.519 there's a famous book by a guy named Alexander Pickle, Oh yeah, 500 00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:47.760 called The Least Dangerous Branch, which is taken from Federal's number seventy eight, 501 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:52.480 and he explains it's ironic. Yeah, it is ironic. Yeah, the 502 00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:58.199 Bickle specific Bickle and his thought is what influenced his influence in Roberts. Now 503 00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.039 there's a direct line to it. And he said the Supreme Court should try 504 00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:06.599 to use as little power as possible because it's not elected. Every time it 505 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.880 does something important, it's blocking the majority. So they should try to keep 506 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.599 their power to a minimum. So he said, use standing, use rightness, 507 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:20.800 use whatever reason you can to escape deciding cases, especially controversial cases. 508 00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.480 But I don't interpret, don't interpret the constitutions exactly what you're describing. Big 509 00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:30.159 goal. But he's in legal John, here's my problem with it, and 510 00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:34.920 I don't think you'll disagree. I'm going to start with the horrendous cases that 511 00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:42.239 Robert's in, both cases authored during COVID, where he refused on procedural grounds 512 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:47.480 to issue injunctions against some of the most egregious violations of First Amendment rights in 513 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:53.840 our history. Where again Nevada is saying casinos can remain open under an executive 514 00:37:54.239 --> 00:38:00.280 under governor's executive order, but churches have to close, and we're not going 515 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.920 to second guess that he did it twice in California as well. Then, 516 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:12.760 of course we have the Texas versus Pennsylvania case where they refused standing, where 517 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:21.000 even they don't. Justice is don't often published assents on a denial of Sershuari, 518 00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:22.280 and I know maybe it wasn't that, maybe they actually you shouldn't. 519 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:28.639 Descent was two Justices Thomas and Alito, I believe it was came out and 520 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:34.960 said we don't have. We do not have the discretion not to take this 521 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:40.000 case. It's a case of original jurisdiction. It's a case between two states, 522 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:46.679 which under the Constitution is not discretionary. Okay, but again gets Roberts 523 00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:52.079 out of having to step into any kind of controversial decision. Last week, 524 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:59.039 I think it was they refused to on standing grounds again take up a case 525 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:06.679 where the American Medical Association is arguing that even though under the Americans with Disabilities 526 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:13.199 Act, gender identity is not a protected category of disability, the AMAS says, 527 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:17.199 well, there's gender identity and then there's gender dysphoria, and just gender 528 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:24.480 dysphoria is should be protected under the ADA, and they're using that in all 529 00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:31.519 sorts of ways to just bludgeon schools and everybody else into these horrific policies, 530 00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:37.559 letting, you know, naked men who pretend to be women into little girls 531 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:42.079 dressing rooms and all sorts of horrible things, and the court wouldn't take it 532 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:49.519 up. Why standing issues. It's just getting a little bit old. I 533 00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:52.000 wonder if you could work out a theory and then I'm sorry, Lessing. 534 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:57.440 Though the case you talked about last week, Steve the indigenous what is it 535 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:04.960 called the Native American Act. Yeah, can't sue on behalf of another standing 536 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:08.599 case. But this is also what Lucretius pointing out. I think it is 537 00:40:08.639 --> 00:40:14.800 going to be a constant challenge for conservative justices on the Supreme Court. It's 538 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.800 just like the Chevron case. The Chevron case also comes from the Reagan era, 539 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:23.039 and it was courts, restrain yourself, stop interfering with the administrative state. 540 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:34.119 And then we said that was you. And so I think the court, 541 00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.360 we have, all three of us, probably don't like the Chevron doctrine 542 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:40.159 and may think that the Court's going to overrule it next term. That's a 543 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:46.599 but getting rid of standing is a whole order of magnitude harder for conservative justices 544 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:50.559 than getting rid of Chevron. Well, you know, I've got scribbled down 545 00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:53.039 on my notes here, John that don't we need to be pointing towards or 546 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:58.320 somebody need to be pointing towards the equivalent of the Major Questions doctrine, which 547 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.199 is now the full rum to reeves at Chevron. Don't we need to do 548 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:06.679 that with standing? That's an interesting idea, Steve like The problem also was 549 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.320 conservatives have not thought about what should replace it. Yeah, well, okay, 550 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:13.239 well we need to start thinking. I mean, because you remember, 551 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.800 I mean, for the longest time, one of the biggest defenders of the 552 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.079 Chevron doctrine was Scalia. People, by the way, I think he thought 553 00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.280 it up, but he wasn't on the court when that case was heard, 554 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.400 but he defended it for a long time, and then was supposedly changing his 555 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:29.400 mind fast at the time of his passing in twenty sixteen. I know I've 556 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.760 done it before, but I'll remind people who may have missed it or just 557 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:37.079 joined us. Recently, the Chevron case has won the Reagan administration, one 558 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.199 that was supposed to be a victory over the bureaucracy, and look what happened. 559 00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.039 It turned out exactly the opposite, which is why I think I'm with 560 00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.880 Lucretia. I sort of worry about how we fix all this. One observation 561 00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.559 before we press on a little bit, is I guess, well, let 562 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:58.199 me go out it this way. Kavanaugh is kind of turning out what we 563 00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:01.280 thought he'd be a little squishy and the tourmament. Gorsuch is still a little 564 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:05.280 bit of an enigma. He seems to be very pro Native American you know, 565 00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:07.760 whatever, whatever their position is, they win. That seems to be 566 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:12.960 But in other areas he seems more interesting and better and except for the Bossons 567 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:17.039 decision. But here's my question, which is Roberts was a clerk for Rnquist, 568 00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:21.719 who was an open, direct positivist, a guy who liked a side. 569 00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:27.039 Oliver Wendell Holmes, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh were clerks for Anthony Kennedy and it 570 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.679 really shows in both cases. I think I think the boss talk is a 571 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:35.599 direct lineage of Kennedy type thinking, who do the leader Further, Yeah, 572 00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:39.679 I just want to point out that our own John Yu was a clerk for 573 00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:50.599 Clarence Thomas and that didn't have the impact. Well, I feel I feel 574 00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:55.559 like the two of you totally set that up before, because when I want 575 00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:59.719 the listeners to know that when I signed on to Zoom, they were already 576 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.800 taught and then they stopped immediately when I stand on, had the guiltiest looks 577 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:06.639 on their faces, and I was wondering what they were up to. Now 578 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.559 we know. Well, anyway, I was trying to say, is the 579 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:15.079 way to make a field theory that the lineage of these people who they clerked 580 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:20.000 for. Uh, you know the legal doesn't matter. Yeah, clerk from 581 00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.880 the court. But I think it doesn't matter because I mean, having gone 582 00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:24.559 through it. You know, you go to law school, you're like twenty 583 00:43:24.559 --> 00:43:29.199 five years old, and then you clerk for a justice. It can't help, 584 00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:32.039 but you know, profoundly influence how you think about the law. It's 585 00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:36.960 actually unusual. I mean, it's rarer than you would think when you find 586 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.519 clerks who really violently disagree with their justice. You know, there's you you 587 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:46.920 enjoy finding like someone like uh Ralph Winter. Ralph No, like a Ralph 588 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:52.079 Winter, one of the great conservative law professors and judges who clerked for They're 589 00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.960 a good marshal. See, that's that's the they're so rare. Most books 590 00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:01.320 do sort of seemed to fall all in the same stream of thought as their 591 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:05.920 judges. Well you do, you do too, Actually, John, the 592 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.760 problem is is that you've made more progress in the direction of Clarence Thomas's judicial 593 00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:15.119 philosophy under me than you get under Clarence Thomas. That is actually true. 594 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.800 When I was I you know, I'm not revealing confidence as I was seen 595 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:23.400 as the squishy moderate the year I clerk to believe it or not, and 596 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:29.360 I am. I was through and through positivists at the time I clerked, 597 00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:34.559 and now I am about ninety five percent positivista. Well what do they call 598 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:38.440 it? You you're opening notorious or is that there there's a word for someone 599 00:44:38.480 --> 00:44:44.679 who's uh um, questioning their sexuality? What's not saying that John's doing that? 600 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:49.400 But it's the same. What is the word? Come to me? 601 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:51.719 Yeah? I know what you mean. I can't remember it either, because 602 00:44:51.719 --> 00:45:00.239 it doesn't I never I never click on those stories on my feet. All 603 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.519 right, what else is on your guys mind? This week? John wanted 604 00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:07.679 to discuss some dabs a year later. It's a year later, Yeah, 605 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.360 when they're all the stories, it will be in exactly a year. Yeah, 606 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.639 And my question is what effect do you guys think it's head? Did 607 00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:20.760 it turn out to be a net plus for the progressives? Actually, twenty 608 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:30.480 five states twenty half of the states have passed legislation that has made how should 609 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:36.159 I say this has provided greater protections for unborn children a whole variety of different 610 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:40.159 different things that you know, some of them are just merely outlawing partial birth 611 00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.960 abortion. Some of them are the you know, the unborn children, Save 612 00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:49.599 Save the Unborn Children Acts. Some of them are twelve weeks, some of 613 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.599 them are heartbeat legislation. But twenty five half of the states in the past 614 00:45:53.679 --> 00:46:00.840 year have passed legislation that would not have been allowed prior to rovers as Wade 615 00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:07.320 being um being overturned. Now some states have gone the other way on in 616 00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:15.119 spades, but but not that many, not twenty five for sure. Yeah, 617 00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:20.119 um, your state, your state has Oh yeah, well, but 618 00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:22.920 that's to be expected. There's another interesting guy. I just wanted to mention 619 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:27.679 you guys really quickly because this is one of those things that for me, 620 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:32.559 HiT's really close to home. For a funny reason. So Tuberville's Senator Tuberville 621 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:43.239 from Alabama, Tommy Tuberville, that that ridiculously stupid and competent affirmative action excuse 622 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:51.000 for a Secretary of Defense that Biden appointed Lloyd Austin. I believe under Biden's 623 00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.039 direction. I don't know this for sure, but he um, he put 624 00:46:54.079 --> 00:47:02.719 together a policy for the DoD that provides funding for any I can't even say 625 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:07.079 women, because you know, men can get pregnant too, don't you know. 626 00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:13.920 Anyway, mothers, birthing persons, birthing persons, who get pregnant in 627 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:19.639 the army and they happen to be stationed against their will, of course, 628 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:27.639 in a state that doesn't allow whatever abortion services they need. They get full 629 00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.719 full payment, reimbursement, healthcare, etc. To travel to another state for 630 00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:37.480 those abortion under under Pentagon policy. Now, and Tuberville says, a it 631 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:46.199 violates the UH that Commendment, High Amendment, the Hide Amendment. It hasn't 632 00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:53.199 been voted on by Congress, so Tuberville has been holding up right a whole 633 00:47:53.199 --> 00:48:02.199 bunch of promotional motions of officers to star and above generals promotions and reassignments. 634 00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:08.760 And a very good friend of mine has been promoted to three star and is 635 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:14.599 awaiting a very big Pentagon job, but is still stuck in bug Buck, 636 00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:17.639 little town I live in, because his thing has been held up for months. 637 00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.840 And his bosses, who's also a very good friend of mine, hers 638 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:27.880 is being held up because she's being promoted to four star. And it doesn't 639 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.480 have implications across the army. Of course, Austin saying that this is a 640 00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:37.239 direct threat to our national security. What a stupid argument that is. But 641 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:40.280 anyway, so it's an impasse, and it's been going on for some time. 642 00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:45.199 There's about two hundred and fifty of them in another four hundred in the 643 00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:50.159 pipeline. Schumer could do them one at a time, but that takes time 644 00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:52.440 and he's refusing to do that. So it's actually a very funny situation. 645 00:48:52.519 --> 00:49:00.159 But all of it because the eating Biden administration decided to respond to Dobbs with 646 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:05.559 some completely biased partisan crap against the law. So they John, I can 647 00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.480 I introduced some facts here because so I think I've said before, I'm basically 648 00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:15.159 pro choice, well, but differently, I'm pro states deciding the abortion question. 649 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.440 I would have thought after DABS there would have been a significant drop in 650 00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:23.159 the number of abortions in the United States, But according to the studies I'm 651 00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:30.239 seeing, it says that after DABS there have been about five thousand fewer legal 652 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:35.960 abortions per month on average, which is only about six percent drop in the 653 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:40.440 number of abortions nationwide per month, which actually really surprised me. I first 654 00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:45.159 of all, I didn't realize there were that many abortions going on, right 655 00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:47.199 because if it's six with, that means there's one hundred thousand abortions a month. 656 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:52.480 Basically there were before DABS. What I would have thought, dabbs, 657 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:55.159 you know, which produced the number of changes in the law that Lucretia mentioned. 658 00:49:55.800 --> 00:50:01.039 I'm surprised that only five thousand fewer, well or sixty thousand a year 659 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:05.679 out of it. Yea, it sounds like, yeah, I think there's 660 00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:07.519 three. I think there's three parts of this to look at, and we'll 661 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:12.079 start with that part there, which is abortion. The number of abortions had 662 00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.960 been slowly declining for quite a while. A whole bunch of reasons for that 663 00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:21.320 which will break apart. But so it doesn't surprise me that I actually think 664 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:23.719 that's a significant drop, because that's faster than the rate of decline that you 665 00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:28.280 saw beforehand. But the second thing to be said about the numbers is is 666 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.440 that even if you have said, what was the Alabama statute that was brought 667 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.199 to the cordon dobs? Was it ten weeks I think, or it was 668 00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.280 a fifteen weeks, you know, something like, I don't know the exact 669 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:42.840 number, but it's an overwhelming majority, like eighty or ninety percent of abortions 670 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.400 are done in the early weeks. And that, by the way, brings 671 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:51.840 you to the politics of it, which is why have the I call them 672 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:57.360 the abortion absolutists on the left. You know, the issue came up of 673 00:50:57.360 --> 00:51:00.480 a late term abortion starting, you know, twenty five years ago. And 674 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:04.159 it's true that there aren't very many late term abortions out of the total number. 675 00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:07.400 It's just a very few thousand a year in total. But they wouldn't 676 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:10.639 even compromise on that. And we've now seen a couple of states past statutes 677 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:14.360 saying, you know, abortion up to the moment of birth and maybe even 678 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:19.800 after. That was Barbara Boxer's position actually for a long time. And so 679 00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:24.199 I would not surprise that even the new laws that say fifteen weeks, ten 680 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:29.480 weeks, six weeks in Florida got signed into law won't actually cut the total 681 00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:34.960 number abortions down that much. Abortions, late term abortions, and partial birth 682 00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:38.360 abortions. That's a big deal, I agree, absolutely. And then and 683 00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:44.039 then the other part of the politics of it is, you know, I'm 684 00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:47.400 surprised that we haven't seen some of the quantitative political scientists who like to run 685 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:52.719 the regression models and run the data haven't really gotten into this question. Because 686 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:57.239 it's now supposed in the media and elsewhere that the dab's decision prompted a lot 687 00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.400 of younger women, especially to get off the sidelines and go vote. They 688 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.400 voted massively democratic. Abortion was said to have been a great motivator in the 689 00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.960 last election. I am skeptic. I think there's some truth to that, 690 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:12.000 just it's my sense in some places, but and where they you know, 691 00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:16.519 they spend a jillion dollars in Wisconsin. But I'm skeptical that a that it's 692 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:21.000 true, that's the extent that people attributed, and be whether it's going to 693 00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:23.320 last. For the very reason you just mentioned, John, people are going 694 00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:25.599 to wake up in three or four years and say, oh, um, 695 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.480 I can still get an abortion. Well, what's all the fuss about. 696 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.719 Why are we screaming from the rooftops. I think the left has to do 697 00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:37.880 it because it's an article religion for them, and two it's to motivate their 698 00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:42.199 voting base, the same way the racial question is used. So I think 699 00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:45.559 it's going to settle down. But you know, we'll see, And I 700 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:49.880 wait to see some of the quantitative friends of ours who get into this because 701 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.199 they, you know, in the past, political scientists who you know, 702 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.280 we don't. I don't like that particular way of studying political science, but 703 00:52:55.280 --> 00:53:00.280 it is occasionally useful, and they often debunk why they held views of what's 704 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:02.119 really going on with voters and voting behavior. And I think we'll find that 705 00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:06.119 out here. But that's just the guess. And then we mentioned that there 706 00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:09.079 have been legal changes and that's the easiest thing to look at and see and 707 00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:16.559 count out. So and that's my short course on it. So just so 708 00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:21.159 you know, it's not the end of the podcast yet, but our good 709 00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:25.360 friends at the Babylon Bee have ten devastatingly horrible things that have happened since the 710 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:31.039 DOV decision. Dobs decision was passed. Inflation. You know whose fault that 711 00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:37.320 is? Babies? Right? Millions of dads now have less time to play 712 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:43.079 video games. Hundreds of innocent corporations had to pay maternity lead. Why didn't 713 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:49.599 someone think of the corporations more toddlers were driving those annoying little pop popping vacuum 714 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:54.599 things were certainly it'll be plenty of those toys in hell. The implosion of 715 00:53:54.639 --> 00:54:00.840 the Ocean Gate submarine. We're sure this is related somehow. Yeah, okay, 716 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:06.159 and I want meet them off, but you get the idea hasn't really 717 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:15.159 been quite the apocalypse that the left imagined and which is kind of what you're 718 00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:20.000 saying too, John, I mean they've made progress in some states, like 719 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:23.280 Steve says, I don't know that there's any state that has outlawed abortion from 720 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:29.880 the moment of conception. Yeah, there and so, And as far as 721 00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:34.800 it goes, most Americans, the majority of Americans are not in favor of 722 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:40.559 abortion on demand to up until the moment of birth or or after they are. 723 00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:46.639 They usually will take a moderate stand, which is prior to viability, 724 00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:51.079 prior to the hearing of a heartbeat, prior to twelve weeks, you know, 725 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:55.280 whatever that might be, um, prior to quickening. Uh. And 726 00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:00.519 you know, even though the those aren't my positions, I can consider all 727 00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:04.920 of that good news that we are no longer allowing babies to be born and 728 00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:09.719 die on it operating table. I mean, remember what Norfolk about that? 729 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:17.400 John? Do you remember you don't when when Governor Blackface was in office and 730 00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:23.920 someone asked him about, yeah, his refusal to sign or was it. 731 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.719 I forget what the actual legal issue was, but it was the way he 732 00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:30.079 described it was really ghoulish. Right. He says, Well, the you 733 00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:34.760 know, the child will be made comfortable while the parents decide what to do, 734 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:39.320 which the mother, the mother, doctor decide what to do. The 735 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:44.760 baby born a lot. I didn't hear that. Oh yeah, that's why 736 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:50.719 you're moderate. You don't pay attention to the news that it's that Pixie Glass 737 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.719 Dome County where he lives, you know, they filter out. Yeah, 738 00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:58.559 that was actually John. I mean he really did say that we're just gonna 739 00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.280 let that baby die on the on the operating table if that's what the mother 740 00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:06.039 and the doctor decide is best for the mother. Even people who are pro 741 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.480 choice should not be in favor of that. Yeah, that's kind of the 742 00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:14.079 point Je and I are making, and they're not in many cases except for 743 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:20.039 the worst of the worst leftist, the ones, the ones who insisted that 744 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:25.280 those laws not be passed to protect children who were born out of botched abortions, 745 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.920 which which happens here like a dozen times a year. And yeah, 746 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:37.199 no, they would they would countenance not a single limitation I had. I 747 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:40.079 had two more different issues to talk about, and if Steve's run out, 748 00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:43.480 I don't know if you want to talk about because I was go ahead. 749 00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:49.280 So one is any comment on the continuing attacks on the ethics of the justices 750 00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:52.800 so we got two new ones. One that was right quite remarkable is a 751 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:58.239 matter of just you know, the history of the Supreme Court was that Justice 752 00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:04.199 Alito was attacked by Pro Publica for going on a fancy hunting trip with a 753 00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:09.000 billionaire named Paul Singer. Is that Paul Singer, who's um was the head 754 00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:13.079 of something is maybe still the head of something called Elliott? Oh yeah, 755 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.880 I think Elliott Investments, which I actually teach these cases. I had no 756 00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:21.760 idea who he was or his firm's name, but he bought up Argentinian bonds 757 00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.360 that were defaulted on, and then he I teach it because it's so great 758 00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:28.559 all the stuff that they did to try to collect on the bonds, and 759 00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.320 eventually Supreme in the case went to Supreme Court multiple times, and eventually he 760 00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:38.079 won and Argentina eventually paid up. But the remarkable thing I thought about it 761 00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:44.519 was not the ongoing attacks on the justices, but that Justice Alito preemptively wrote 762 00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:49.440 an op ed in the Wall Street Charm, Yeah, attacking the article and 763 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.559 which appeared before the Pro Publica story. I think that's got to be a 764 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:57.840 first. I mean, that's really got to be a first. And about 765 00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:01.320 that that's just unethical, Like really, come on. And then just today, 766 00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:06.280 I don't know if you saw, there's stories attacking Justice Barrett and this 767 00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:08.599 is really again, I don't know what. I'm curious what you guys think 768 00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:13.440 about the whole story, this whole line of attack, what you think people 769 00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:17.920 should say about it. But Justice Barrett was attacked for her ethics. Forget 770 00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.559 this. When she left Notre Dame to become a professor, to become a 771 00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:27.840 Supreme Court justice, she sold her house and the person who bought it was 772 00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:34.719 a conservative. Yeah, that was that. I mean, we're talking about 773 00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:39.480 Notre Dame here, right, like who's buying houses around Notre Dame conservative activists. 774 00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:45.639 Interesting takes on it today, and I'm interested to see what you think 775 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:51.199 of it. The first one was is that all of the attacks on Clarence 776 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:59.960 Thomas have been not really making a whole lot of dent into what the way 777 00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.760 left wants it to work, number one. But number two, you started 778 00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:10.480 seeing resistance from different African American groups saying this seems to be a little bit 779 00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:15.199 racist, this seems to be a little bit So that was I don't know 780 00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.199 if that's true. That's one argument I saw and then the other one was 781 00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:22.639 it's a little bit like do you remember one of those Tom Clancy novels begins 782 00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:29.639 with the idea that nobody can take down the lion. A hyaena can't take 783 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:32.840 down a lion, but a whole bunch of hyenas can come and just nip 784 00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:37.480 here and nip there, and nip here and nip there. And it's basically 785 00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:42.559 the idea is that even though all of these accusations like the one you just 786 00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:46.400 said, are complete crap and anybody who's really paying attention to them knows their 787 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:52.800 complete crap butt, they have the effect overall of making it look like it's 788 00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:57.079 just a cesspool of ethical violations there on the conservative wing of the court, 789 00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.039 and that that's really the strategy here. Well, I think there's one thing 790 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:05.559 that I mean, if the allegation is they're buying justices votes in the case 791 01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:09.559 of Paul Singer, the irony here is is that Paul Singer generally a conservative, 792 01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:13.440 but uh, and this is publicnology. As a gay son, he 793 01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:16.199 was a big supporter of the drive for same sex marriage, gave a lot 794 01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:20.679 of money to groups, you know, lobbied Republicans to not oppose it, 795 01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:23.920 and so forth. Well, Alito didn't vote over with it, he didn't 796 01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:27.480 vote with Singing on that issue. In fact, he filed them one of 797 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.199 the more vigorous descents against same sex marriage and overca fail. So that didn't 798 01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:34.480 work very well for them. Uh, they're gonna keep at this. Uh. 799 01:00:34.519 --> 01:00:37.840 And I don't know. I like the I like the feistiness the court 800 01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:42.599 is showing of or you know, our friends on the court, so to 801 01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.079 speak, or showing and getting getting out ahead of it and punching back, 802 01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:50.280 which is, you know, all to the good. Well, we're we're, 803 01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:53.519 we're out almost an hour. You didn't speak to either one of my 804 01:00:53.880 --> 01:01:00.039 things. What I didn't even my silence is silence is violence. No, 805 01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:05.519 it's it's perfectly sensible, right, I had missed these. I am surprised. 806 01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.960 I haven't seen these stories that you mentioned, though, Lucretia about African 807 01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:14.280 American groups supporting Thomas on this, I'd be very surprised because they have treated 808 01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:17.480 him so badly over the decades. I would like to be part of the 809 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:24.280 issue there, though John is quite frankly that there are groups of African Americans 810 01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:29.599 out there that are no longer shall we say, allied with the Black Caucus 811 01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:36.800 or you know, the NAACP or the Southern Law Poverty Center, that that 812 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:44.599 there are in fact, many more intelligent conserva maybe not even conservative, moderate 813 01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:52.559 um groups sort of representing African Americans, Black Americans who just want to see 814 01:01:53.440 --> 01:02:00.239 success for middle class Black Americans. I don't know exactly, there's a lot 815 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:01.440 more of those than there used to be. Yeah, I mean, it 816 01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:06.079 makes intuitive. It reminds me of a story now from when Thomas was nominated 817 01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:10.000 back in nineteen ninety one. My late friend Michael Cromartie, who worked in 818 01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:15.119 Washington for years and there's always a great conversation as he talked to everybody and 819 01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.039 was very he was a charmer. Well, he was telling me at the 820 01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:21.440 time that he had a black shoe shine guy used to go to maybe in 821 01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:25.199 Union station. I'm not sure, and you know, rightly in the nominations 822 01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:28.880 announced, he's talking to a shoeshine guy and a guy singing, yeah, 823 01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:30.840 I'm not so sure about this guy. He's, you know, a conservative 824 01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:35.199 Republican and I don't know, and so you know, we're talking. Then 825 01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.840 the Anita Hill out accusations came out three weeks later, and Mike went back 826 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:40.760 to the same shoe shine guy and brought it up and he said, put 827 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:44.519 that man on the court. This is crapping, you know, put it 828 01:02:44.559 --> 01:02:47.000 more colorfully than that, Right. I think a lot of black men responded 829 01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:52.400 that way, and I think a lot nowadays maybe thinking the same thing. 830 01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:57.000 So just to home, there's years I think. I don't know how directly 831 01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:00.880 related this is, but you also saught increase in blackmail voters for Trump in 832 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.719 the last election, right, and you know, you get it. I 833 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:09.840 was always new Ginger Choice used to say, if Republicans could capture twenty percent 834 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:14.159 of the black vote, there will no there will no longer be competitive of 835 01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:21.800 that. And remember what Trump did for the African American community. He brought 836 01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:28.840 them to the lowest unemployment in history in history and highest waves games in fifty 837 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:34.239 years too. Yeah, yes, And you know you'd have to be stupid 838 01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:37.320 and or not to ignore that sort of thing and say, yeah, well, 839 01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:40.039 we just need to continue to be uh, the whipping boys of the 840 01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:49.199 Democratic Party because they've been so good to us. All right, last item, 841 01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:52.000 maybe before we sign off, everybody wants to talk about the submersible. 842 01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:57.599 I don't really care to, but either either you have anything particularly you want 843 01:03:57.599 --> 01:04:00.360 to say about all of that. Uh No, but I will say that 844 01:04:00.400 --> 01:04:05.480 Ocean Gate offers twenty percent coupon off twenty percent off coupon for their next tour. 845 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:11.159 I've been I've been trying to avoid the jokes on this because I think 846 01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:14.960 they're, you know, kind of distasteful. There is one thing I do, 847 01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:16.360 There is one bit that I would write about this, but I haven't 848 01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:20.280 had time. The Wall Street Journal reported what a day or two ago that 849 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:25.239 oh, and I wondered about this immediately, by the way, because you 850 01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.760 know, my dad's a little navy man, I know a little read some 851 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.480 of the detailed histories about the two submarines we lost in the sixties, the 852 01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:36.639 Thresher and a Scorpion, and in both cases are underwater listening devices heard them 853 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:42.159 implode, although in the case of the Scorpion, supposedly there's still some murky 854 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:45.840 aspects of that story. And that carries over to this current week. Uh 855 01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:48.960 that you had to go back and review the tapes because you know, there's 856 01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:54.280 a lot of noise in the ocean, and there's not somebody necessarily listening live 857 01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:57.679 all the time, and and you know you need to computers to wash it 858 01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:00.119 out and all that. Uh, and it seemed to be misreported. It 859 01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:04.000 though the Navy heard the sub explode on Sunday when it went down, and 860 01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:09.840 I think that's actually not correct. I think what they did was they said, 861 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:13.760 oh, they're missing the submarine. Let's go check our tapes of our 862 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.000 underwater microphones. And it took a while to find it out. I'm not 863 01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:21.280 sure when, but I don't think they had a contemporaneous awareness that some sub 864 01:05:21.320 --> 01:05:24.719 had just imploded at the bottom of the ocean. Because a lot of our 865 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:28.239 you know, conspiratorially minded friends saying this has been a cover up from the 866 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:30.400 beginning. It was used to distract the news from Hunter Biden and blah blah 867 01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:34.920 blah. And I think that's overwrought and probably wrong. But that's my one 868 01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:39.519 wrinkle on the thing. And I have to make a correction. And something 869 01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:44.800 I said because about the votes. So actually I didn't realize this, but 870 01:05:45.119 --> 01:05:49.320 President Trump did not increase any share of the black vote, actually black males. 871 01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:54.760 Yeah, but so it says I'm looking at the data. It says 872 01:05:54.800 --> 01:06:00.000 that Trump's share of the black mail vote fell from fourteen percent twenty sixteen to 873 01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:04.800 twelve percent in twenty twenty, so it actually went down where actually, now 874 01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:09.679 this is interesting, where Trump's share the vote went up. This is I 875 01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:14.079 see. This I had not realized was that it went up amongst Hispanics. 876 01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.840 So Trump got ten percent more vote. He got, his share the vote 877 01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:24.199 went from twenty eight to thirty eight percent amongst Hispanics, even though he was 878 01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:29.079 portrayed by the media as being anti Hispanic and anti immigrant. I mean, 879 01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:31.480 that's an incredible increase ten percent, you know, to go to thirty eight 880 01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:35.000 percent amongst Hispanics. I mean he got a little bit more than there's still 881 01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:41.320 there also would not be competitive elections between but apparently his Trump's share the black 882 01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:45.280 vote actually went down between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty. I didn't realize that. 883 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:49.360 Yeah, there's there's some people can test those results, but and there's 884 01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:54.360 other surveys that get different numbers, and also there's sort of generic surveys that 885 01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:58.360 show Republican support rising, and also I think in different places too. I 886 01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:01.559 don't know. Yeah, well, I just didn't want to lead anyone a 887 01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:09.239 straight Yeah, well, all right, other than you tube. So Kemla 888 01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:12.639 Harris had something this week about frogs. It was about the old frogs and 889 01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:15.400 a business, and she ended by saying, so we should think more about 890 01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:20.639 frogs. I've been thinking about frogs ever since the commalism is so I did 891 01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:24.679 a little more research on the quote, which was making the rounds on Twitter. 892 01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:30.119 So she was giving a speech to the SEIU, one of the worst 893 01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:34.159 union rights right, the Service Employees International Union. They had a meeting of 894 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:41.000 union leadership in Philadelphia. And what she was trying to talk about was she 895 01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:45.039 what she was thought she was describing. It's not apparent from the quote is 896 01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:49.679 she was talking. She was criticizing conservatives for attacking the rights and freedoms of 897 01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:58.559 Americans. That's what the that's the context of the quote and which exactly. 898 01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:02.719 So then she's trying to explain how conservatives are attacking rights and she says, 899 01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:05.800 I here's the code. I think of those two frogs. You know that 900 01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:11.519 story about two pots of water and two frogs. So here's how it goes. 901 01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:14.559 There are two pots of water, two frogs, and in one pot, 902 01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:16.279 you put the frog in the water and you slowly turn up the heat, 903 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:20.159 and that frog is just hanging out as the heat just slowly gets hotter 904 01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:25.680 to the point that water starts to boil, and that frog perishes in the 905 01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:28.600 other pot of water. You first turn up that heat real high. The 906 01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:31.199 water is boiling. You drop that frog in, he'll jump right up. 907 01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:35.439 The lesson there, As far as I'm concerned, don't be that first frog. 908 01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.680 The first frog. By the way, I think that there's no why, 909 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:44.840 not clear at all what this has to do with the rough attack on 910 01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:47.960 rights and freedoms? Whose rights and freedoms are being attacked and by whom? 911 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:50.760 And you know, frogs are people too? Are supposed to eat insects now 912 01:08:50.840 --> 01:08:55.359 not you know frog legs. Oh, you're not supposed to eat insects. 913 01:08:55.359 --> 01:09:00.159 You're supposed to eat fun guy. They make bacon out of fun guy and 914 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:06.119 chicken. Grown frog could be endangered frog could be endangered frog? Well right, 915 01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:11.800 all right, you have a special Babylon be for us. Lucretia's so 916 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:16.199 hard, it's I can't it's so hard. But I think I'm gonna go 917 01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:24.560 since you mentioned, uh, but Biden inviting or letting Hunter come to the 918 01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:30.800 state dinner. There's two. The first one is Biden don's feathered headdress to 919 01:09:30.880 --> 01:09:38.600 welcome Indian Prime Minister. I'll just have to fake it. I love it. 920 01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:45.479 Hunter Hunter Biden causes chaos at the Delaware District courtroom when he tries to 921 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:54.439 weigh his cocaine on Lady Justice's scale. Oh boy, or Zelenski has already 922 01:09:54.479 --> 01:10:02.239 spent the next three accounting arrows. So, by the way, I'll just 923 01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:08.119 mentioned apropos that I don't miss. Dan Mahoney's article on the whole Ukraine situation 924 01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:10.279 just out in the American mind. I think it's really good, a really 925 01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:13.479 good balance piece. Dan really knows that part of the world well, and 926 01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:19.159 our erstwhile occasional well once a podcast guest Kelly Jane Torrence is over in Ukraine 927 01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:25.319 right now, as we saw, so sure that all of our defense contractors 928 01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:28.319 are getting tons of money. I don't know, but I was gonna say, 929 01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:30.439 that's that's why they're having a civil war rush. All of a sudden 930 01:10:32.319 --> 01:10:35.199 thought too, isn't it all right? Which one who is going to send 931 01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:41.920 us out for the night? John, always drink your whiskey, meat man, 932 01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:45.399 let's go, Brandon and Lucre. I never got your part right. 933 01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:50.039 It's a don't forget to milk the soft served power dividend. I never get 934 01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:55.119 it right either. But remember we got to add one more. God save 935 01:10:55.239 --> 01:11:00.720 the queen. Man. Oh all right, you're nice. Next week. 936 01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:11.239 My family's always been whiskey. It's a simple, honest way to turn it 937 01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:19.319 down. The only trouble's been myncle Sam. Now e've been trying to collect 938 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:30.199 taxes all the time. Now this ain't no ordinary shaping. The motor and 939 01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:40.079 suspension ain't the same whiskey, as you know. It's very heavy and getting 940 01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:45.479 crew. It's what they call the game. It's a dark rainy night. 941 01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:56.760 But like injins l and I to get yeah, and in my making room 942 01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:09.439 to save work, I have to bear aways. Kee Ricochet joined the conversation.