1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:06,559 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:33,079 in the UK and around the world. Hey everybody, we're here alive as 3 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:38,759 we thrive in Toronto. Homer Blue Jays, Raptors Make Beliefs and Canadian psychic 4 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,560 Robert Lindsay Man. That's me. Welcome to my side of Chrystopher Ball. 5 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:52,039 Have an interesting guest, actually a fascinating guest and someone who has ideas and 6 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:59,759 ways of expressing the way she thinks very very differently from me. We get 7 00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:07,400 into who are debate and then we have a very interesting ending in our interview 8 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:17,799 today. My special guests sitting in the experts chair is Majadau, which teacher, 9 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:26,200 healer, psychic, scholar, author which she's also a fellow Canadian living 10 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,480 in Los Angeles. A fascinating interview. Just check in and please watch it 11 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:34,159 now. By the way, I've got a couple of requests. If you're 12 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:41,239 watching us on YouTube, please like, comment and subscribe to our channel. 13 00:01:41,599 --> 00:01:47,439 You can also find us on Apple, Spotify, and pretty much anywhere else 14 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:53,840 that you get your podcasts, including iHeart and if you would like to find 15 00:01:53,920 --> 00:02:00,879 me personally, you could find me on my website www dot Robert Lindsay Milne 16 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:07,360 dot com. You can also find me on Facebook, Instagram, uh YouTube 17 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:15,280 and chick chart. And now, without further ado, let's see what ww 18 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:30,240 RS is all about tonight. A couple of days ago, probably on on 19 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:38,680 on Friday, I posted a cartoon on Facebook and on Instagram and pretty much 20 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:44,800 anywhere else I could of of this cartoon, and it was a picture of 21 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,800 a woman wearing a white dress or something white in her hands are like this, 22 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,639 and then there are two guys beside her, one another one and rither's 23 00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:02,479 shoulder, and they're looking at her and the caps and above says the woman 24 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:13,479 speaking, now that I have found my spiritual awakening, I have evolved and 25 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:19,240 let go of my ego, and now I'm better than all of you. 26 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:25,400 And I laughed at that because it just reminded me of a lot of new 27 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:31,599 agers that I've met over my lifetime, and I just had to post it, 28 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:38,919 and I did and I laughed. Since that time, I've been thinking 29 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:49,479 about that poster and I realized I was looking down and mocking those people, 30 00:03:53,240 --> 00:04:00,599 and I realized, then it takes one to know one. And then I 31 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:05,240 had to remember because it came to me. You know, my philosophy, 32 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:12,759 what we are one way, we are equally the other and the ultimate one 33 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,560 that I've been teaching and living throughout my life is what we see in others 34 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:26,199 is what we see in ourselves. M I still thought it was funny, 35 00:04:26,959 --> 00:04:38,759 and that's what Robert has to say. Marja Dao is my very special guest 36 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,839 tonight. Besides the fact that she's a fellow Canadian, although on the Quebec 37 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:50,600 Clas side, she is a witch, a medium and channeler, a healer. 38 00:04:51,319 --> 00:05:00,519 She has a philanthroptic organization. She gives a lot to charity, She 39 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:08,639 is a lecturer, an author, and her ways of thinking and expressing her 40 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:16,040 work is diametrically opposite to mine. And I'm looking forward to having this wonderful 41 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:23,160 conversation with Maja. So let's just light this candle and get on with the 42 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:29,319 interview. Well, I'd like to thank you very much for being here today, 43 00:05:29,639 --> 00:05:34,319 and one of my first thoughts is how did you discover that you're a 44 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:41,720 witch. It's my pleasure and I'm happy to answer that I've loved great speaking 45 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,439 on it. For me, I had a lot of strange experiences my whole 46 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:53,360 life that I couldn't really explain using what other people, I guess would say 47 00:05:54,839 --> 00:06:00,759 predominantly or that I was receiving, so I looked for other explanations. And 48 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,240 really when I identified with being a witch, I had to be around ten 49 00:06:06,319 --> 00:06:15,079 or twelve years old due to getting exposure to pagan books. I went to 50 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,560 church, you know, my family we went to an Episcopal church, but 51 00:06:17,639 --> 00:06:24,839 I never really had any spiritual experiences there that matched what was happening to me 52 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:35,399 personally due to illness or experiences in nature predominantly was what my experiences were made 53 00:06:35,439 --> 00:06:40,920 of. So when I had a real experience of spirit, it was in 54 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:46,319 nature and also through out of body due to illness. And I read in 55 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:55,000 Pagan how sick were you when you were small? I had asthma that led 56 00:06:55,079 --> 00:07:00,519 to serious bouts of pneumonia that would go every winter. I grew up in 57 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,680 Montreal, so the winters there are kind of gnarly, you know, even 58 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:12,839 even colder than Toronto, a lot of snow, so my lungs really were, 59 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:16,519 like, you know, just not the best. And so most of 60 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,839 the years of school I would spend at least four to five months in my 61 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:30,199 bed suffering fruit pneumonia, bronchites, difficulty breathing, and I had experiences where 62 00:07:30,199 --> 00:07:33,800 I would go in and out of my body and see my body from above 63 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:39,959 or different places. And then were you able to control that or did it 64 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:45,279 just happen? It just happened, no control at all? Can you control 65 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,759 that now? Like? Can you now? I do it specifically? Yes? 66 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:54,040 Correct? Wow? So you have out of you consciously deliberately create an 67 00:07:54,040 --> 00:08:00,120 out a body experience, and do you project yourself places? I can and 68 00:08:00,199 --> 00:08:07,959 do projection. I also have created a double of myself, which was thanks 69 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:13,240 to my spiritual teacher, doctor Kelvin Dwolf. So I use his techniques which 70 00:08:13,279 --> 00:08:22,319 are meditative hypnagoguic. They also use vision quest type of things where we fast, 71 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:31,600 don't sleep, things like this, and then create concentration pockets where I 72 00:08:31,639 --> 00:08:35,679 can go. It is energy intensive, so I can't just like cruise out 73 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:41,440 whenever, and it does have a energetic tool upon me, and then I 74 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:48,080 have to reintegrate ground what means you get really tired, and also I get 75 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,399 really tired and I have to ground back into reality. So like after I 76 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:56,759 go out, you know, if I try to like talk to somebody or 77 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:03,679 something, it's disconnect. I guess it's an easy way to say it. 78 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:11,279 How do you protect your physical body when you've projected you yourself somewhere else? 79 00:09:11,919 --> 00:09:16,879 Yes, that's a very good question. I do intensive physical labor to make 80 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,279 sure my body is strong, so I practice martial arts. Okay, you 81 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:24,960 look pretty Oh yeah, I'm pretty strong, like I guess that's a relative 82 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,879 word. But I do a lot of techniques to make sure my body is 83 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:35,000 strong before engaging in the spiritual work, and they have to both be at 84 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:39,919 a certain level before I'm going to feel like I have enough juice, you 85 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:46,879 know? So is your body also protected when you've projected yourself? Like, 86 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:50,360 like, can other entities or energies enter your body when you've done that. 87 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,720 I have never had that experienced, but I certainly work with a lot of 88 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:01,240 people who have another thing in them, do a negative thing. A lot 89 00:10:01,279 --> 00:10:07,240 of my clients will be, you know, suffering from addiction, or they'll 90 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:13,960 have issues with suicide or just kind of lost. Maybe not to sure everybody's 91 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,200 not as extreme, but I'll have people on all the ends of the spectrum. 92 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:22,720 I feel like I've never not been me. I haven't had an experience 93 00:10:22,759 --> 00:10:26,879 where I've had something else come in. And I'm a female, I've had 94 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,720 children, so I've had like kind of a lot of experiences where something else 95 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:37,240 could pop in, I guess, and who knows, Maybe I'm ignorant and 96 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,360 it has happened, and I don't know, but I've never felt a loss 97 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,159 of me in all of those experiences. Yeah, which I guess a lot 98 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,919 of people will say, you know, channels will feel like something else comes 99 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,559 in. That's not I would not say that's what I experience. Yeah. 100 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,480 My thinking on that, you know, when I do readings and I do 101 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:05,600 what I always tell my students is that is that whatever's coming through you is 102 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:11,519 not for you, and it shouldn't stay in you. So you have to 103 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:16,279 get you have to release it. If not, you'll get sick or hurt 104 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,919 or something. I do agree with that, and I actually have a lot 105 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:26,480 of colleagues and friends who do mediumship or channeling, and they do get sick 106 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,440 quite a bit, absolutely get sick a lot. A lot of my rapie 107 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:33,559 people will find they have a lot of illness, and I do think it's 108 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,039 because of what you said where they need to do a clear to get rid 109 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,159 of it. Yeah, it's not yours. Okay. So so when people 110 00:11:41,919 --> 00:11:48,039 are your clients, what do they seek you out for? What do you 111 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,799 do? I have pretty much every dilemma you could come across. I mean, 112 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,039 maybe that's probably not true. I should well, I was asking your 113 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:01,919 technique rather than the specific types of pure. Sure. My techniques vary quite 114 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:07,679 a bit. I have a I use so I'll use divination, I'll do 115 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:15,159 astrology, eaching tarot for people and they'll have like maybe a specific issue they 116 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:20,000 just need answers or clarity on. So I get sought for that quite a 117 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,320 bit. Some people will come to me because they just are stuck and they 118 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:30,840 feel like they need some negative energy removed, so like for clearing or exorcism 119 00:12:30,879 --> 00:12:37,919 type of thing. Uh. For those, I use my techniques of archangels, 120 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:43,159 where I just call in something bigger. So my main strategy is like, 121 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:46,480 well you got well when when when God is your boyfriend, I'm are 122 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:54,639 you know, like much more? Just go big? You know, I'm 123 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:58,759 a Sagittarius, so I'm like, I have a hard time with limits. 124 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:03,440 So if somebody hasn't need you, and it has like maybe a specific identity, 125 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,480 I know that their hierarchy is real. And my experience so I'll just 126 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,159 kind of try to go above whatever it is and see if that has an 127 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,919 effect, which often it'll be very efficacious. I get quite a bit of 128 00:13:15,919 --> 00:13:20,960 efficacy, or I wouldn't keep going obviously, So I'll get people that come 129 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:26,120 in from clearings. I do have people that have health issues. When you 130 00:13:26,279 --> 00:13:31,000 do clearings, what what are you doing? I do four directions, so 131 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:35,120 I just call in the four archangels who I have developed a relationship with. 132 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:43,639 So I put a lot of time and effort into service and establishing a relationship 133 00:13:43,799 --> 00:13:48,159 with these things, much like with the divination systems. Right, So I 134 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,639 kind of view, if I'm going to be a facilitator, I better have 135 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,159 a good relationship with these tools. Right, So most of my time is 136 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,759 spent inchoring in my intake with the tools that I use. So, because 137 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:07,080 I spend a lot of time practicing with these things, then when a client 138 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:11,120 comes, I don't even care about them or who they are. I'm using 139 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:16,279 the force of the tools to assist them. Right, And and you're practicing 140 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:24,879 doing your your healing or your art or your psychic ability. So okay, 141 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,879 you're You're only the second person that I've heard of that does this work that 142 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:39,440 practices Oh interesting, weird. Yeah, the other one is me. Well, 143 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,559 I can say I have had a hard time finding others as well. 144 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:48,159 A lot of people will just kind of do it, but they don't have 145 00:14:48,519 --> 00:14:52,120 the practice as part of their lifestyle. Right. Absolutely, It's a lot 146 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,639 of talk and they're not walking their talk, right absolutely. Absolutely, commitment 147 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:03,679 to have integrity, to have some since you must engage it as like a 148 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:07,879 relationship. I view it like the relationship that you would have with a boyfriend, 149 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:11,320 a girlfriend, a friend. To me, the divination systems, I 150 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:15,240 must have integrity with my relationship to them, just like I would a friend. 151 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:22,679 Sure, sure, yeah, that's really fascinating. So what is a 152 00:15:22,799 --> 00:15:31,200 familiar than being comfortable with somebody? Well, familiar it is. It's comfort. 153 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:37,600 And then also like family, right which sometimes family talk very comfortable depending 154 00:15:37,799 --> 00:15:43,600 right, but we we it's again like a relationship. So I feel and 155 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:48,840 in my book, I describe a familiar as it can take the form of 156 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:54,240 an animal, a person, a nature, a spirit like an animal, 157 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:02,639 rock, could be a river, even a place like land or oceans, 158 00:16:02,799 --> 00:16:11,480 and then also interdimensionally of different intelligences or arcons. I feel like even can 159 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:15,720 be familiar. As to certain people, so they actually have a pretty wide 160 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:19,080 girth. A lot of people think of familiar as more as animals specifically, 161 00:16:19,679 --> 00:16:25,159 but I feel like you can have a familiar spirit that is passed on loved 162 00:16:25,159 --> 00:16:30,559 one or an angel as well. Can as cannot familiar still be alive. 163 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:36,440 Absolutely, I think so, yes, especially if it's like an animal or 164 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,759 even some people are familiar as I feel like personally. So I guess I'm 165 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:48,039 a little more broad in my definition than maybe some others might be. What 166 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:55,519 type of familiars do you have? I predominantly have an angelic one that identifies 167 00:16:55,559 --> 00:17:00,559 themselves as an angel, whatever that might mean. So I also do get 168 00:17:00,639 --> 00:17:04,839 nature ones. I have relationships with some rivers that are very intense for me 169 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:11,359 where they'll communicate information, like I've had several rivers near where I live. 170 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:18,720 And then also the Ohio rivers say what do they say to you? The 171 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:23,880 Ohio River showed me that it's very upset at how many dead bodies it has 172 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,559 to carry. The Ohio rivers message was a bummer. I'll tell you right 173 00:17:29,599 --> 00:17:33,119 now. It was trying to tell me, it was pleading me. It's 174 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,279 case of how doesn't want people putting the bodies of their dead into it anymore. 175 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,920 Oh, does that mean killing somebody and throwing him in the river. 176 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,640 That is exactly correct. And the river is getting fed up with us. 177 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:56,559 It's fed up with it. It's asking us to stop it. Are we 178 00:17:56,599 --> 00:18:03,559 listening? I hope. So I'm try listening, and I hope everyone else 179 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,640 is. And it said it's been happening a while. It showed me images 180 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,759 of Native Americans getting murdered in the Ohio River. It was trying to show 181 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:15,720 me that this has got to stop and it keeps going on, and it 182 00:18:15,759 --> 00:18:18,720 was showing me and then like I went on Google and I saw that a 183 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,759 lot of bodies seem to be dumped in the Ohio River from murder victims still 184 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:26,319 to this day. And it was trying to plead a case that it wants 185 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:32,720 human beings to stop dumping blood into the rivers, because it's message up. 186 00:18:33,039 --> 00:18:37,039 I think the best way it's hard, right, because I certainly haven't ever 187 00:18:37,319 --> 00:18:41,000 dumped anybody in a river. But then I'm like, why is it telling 188 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:44,960 me? And then what is my duty to try to stop it? Right? 189 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,839 Part of it I see is to listen, tell other people like we're 190 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:55,160 doing today, and then other people will hear also and to give the river 191 00:18:55,359 --> 00:19:00,599 love and compassion. And then I try to work spiritually to help people raise 192 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:06,680 up their vibrations. I feel like, honestly, am I going to stop 193 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:11,039 murderers? Right? And this probably might be something every spiritual worker has to 194 00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:14,599 come to, like our impotence, right, maybe you know what I'm talking 195 00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:23,200 about, Like what can we do to prevent these shadowy behaviors of our fellow 196 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:29,240 human beings if we're not politicians, if we're not lawyers, if we're not 197 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:36,640 punitive warriors going about being vigilantes. For me, I do the work on 198 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,960 interdimensional levels where I try to make prayers to raise people up, to bring 199 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:48,039 them into their conscience, to bring their ancestors into their awareness, to help 200 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:55,759 them listen. So for me personally, all I've been able to really grab 201 00:19:55,839 --> 00:20:00,279 onto to what do you do? Is try to listen myself and then help 202 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:07,519 other people listen. Okay, what about you? Do you have any like 203 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:15,680 things you get in terms of well, well, I'm rather simple and and 204 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:22,119 and I don't think in terms of other dimensions or you know, world hunger 205 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,759 or or war. I I just take care of the person in front of 206 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,519 man, that's good. So so that that's that's that's who I can help. 207 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:36,160 That's who I can help change and not really and and and that's really 208 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,359 my focus. So in in your areas, I'm not quite as sophisticated because 209 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,920 I'm, you know, just that narrow thing. So and my thing is 210 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:52,480 being kind and and being And I've taken up as a as a hobby every 211 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:59,400 day to be kind and to be kind to people that I dislike and or 212 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:03,799 or find disgusting or offensive or whatever. I do my best to do those 213 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:10,079 things too. That's very powerful as well. The focus, right, that's 214 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,720 funny. It's very masculine. The masculine focuses on one yea, and the 215 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:21,000 feminine kind of goes bigger, the multi the multitasker. Sure, that's divine 216 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:26,440 masculine energy. I feel like it is. It's superpowers, that vocal concentration, 217 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,599 right, the the arrow. And that's that's who I can help, 218 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,640 you know, I can I can help the person that's dying in front of 219 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:40,839 me. I cannot save the world, you know. That's that's that's been 220 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,960 my feeling. So, yeah, I've been a professional psychic for fifty seven 221 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:48,920 years. Yeah, it's been a minute. Yeah, yeah, it seems 222 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,519 like it. So that spreads in a net as well. You know, 223 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:57,119 when you help one person, it's not just one person. Everyone that person 224 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:03,279 is connected to. That's it's like throwing a stone in a pond or dropping 225 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:07,279 it the ripple. Yeah, and and it just gets passed on. So 226 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:11,279 that's where you know, my thinking is. So I got a little bit 227 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:17,640 confused or impressed, actually impressed with with all the dimensions that you were were 228 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,160 talking about. When did they come on like similarly effective? You know of 229 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,640 course? So yeah, well we all have our our function. There's no 230 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:40,720 competition exactly, there's no necessary Yeah, there there's somebody for everybody to get 231 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:45,920 help from. And in our field, you know there and everybody is different. 232 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,839 You know how spirit showed me. It showed me that we're like lighthouses 233 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:55,839 or like like a hot like how there's hospitals at different locations, so it's 234 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,519 like who's in your proximity there will be a lighthouse or like a place to 235 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:06,119 go to right or like a well I guess it's another way to explain it. 236 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:12,160 Yeah, So you have some rather impressive degrees. You have a bachelor's 237 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:19,279 degree in biochemistry. Yeah, oh, well just just everyday stuff, right, 238 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:29,359 and and you have a master's degree in transformational psychology. Wow, okay, 239 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:37,640 So what is transformational psychology? I love the the words, the way, 240 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:42,559 So what is it? Yeah? So most of the kind of beginners 241 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:47,359 of that field, where people like Stands loss Grof. I don't know if 242 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,839 you've heard of his work. He did a lot of studying of like people 243 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,759 that were born and how they were born and how that affected who they were 244 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:02,640 as a person. Absolutely reality, absolutely, and really it's like looking at 245 00:24:03,079 --> 00:24:07,279 there's the study of psychology and how your brain works and affects you. But 246 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:12,039 then the transformational is really a way to see, like, if there is 247 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:18,359 a certain habituation or way that your psychology is, how are you going to 248 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,519 shift or change that? Right? Which is really how people use magic most 249 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:27,319 of the time. Or ritual. So for me, I found transformational psychology 250 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:36,839 was very much like indigenous or shamanic ritual to take somebody's paradigm or mind frame 251 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,599 and how are you going to shift, grow or evolve it? Right? 252 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,960 So that's always been so fascinating to me. And it has to do I 253 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,640 feel like, with how nature evolves, how DNA works, because it'll have 254 00:24:49,759 --> 00:24:55,000 like a problem or something that it's wrestling with, and then it'll just kind 255 00:24:55,039 --> 00:25:00,319 of make this leap and then heal it or move past it, you know. 256 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:07,200 So I like to think about how people's mind is and use the divination 257 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,279 to see what is going on. And then I wanted to think about how 258 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:15,519 are we going to, you know, not necessarily solve it, because I 259 00:25:15,519 --> 00:25:22,640 don't think the way people's mind is necessarily a stigma or a problem to solve, 260 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:29,000 but how to assist in growth and expansion. Okay, yeah, is 261 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:37,720 your type of therapy a talk therapy or it uses talk? But also I 262 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:44,200 sit there and feel and because this is gonna sound so weird, but I 263 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,240 have to see, I don't right, maybe not for you. So I've 264 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,920 come to feel that when I have a session with people my double and my 265 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,799 angel, it's kind of like going to court where I feel like I'm kind 266 00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:03,720 of a spiritual art a traitor or a spiritual lawyer, where they're pleading me 267 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,279 a case and I'm listening, and then these other things are kind of like 268 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:14,559 doing like a court case of arbitration where they're presenting something and then it's getting 269 00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:18,759 weighed as to like, well, number one are they telling the truth or 270 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:26,680 is this coming from shadow? And also like what is the prescription or judge's 271 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,519 decision? So part of it is yes, me talking, But then I 272 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:37,119 do feel things happening on other levels, maybe outside of both of us, 273 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,480 that somehow us bringing it up in conversation is causing a spiritual court case to 274 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:48,559 occur. That's very interesting. That's a different way than I do or that 275 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:55,200 that's okay. So are you part of the negotiation or are you observing? 276 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,920 Okay? I am mercy based, So I guess I would call myself like 277 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:07,480 a defense attorney. I'm not a prosecutor because I've been coming well I you 278 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,039 know, ye who knows really, But I feel like I try to be 279 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:18,519 humble and come into humility. So I think people with prosecutors have got something 280 00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:22,640 to prove, and maybe they feel like they need to punish or feel justified 281 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:27,680 in order to bring some kind of punishment down on people, Whereas I guess 282 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:33,119 I am more of a defense attorney at heart. So I'm going to plead 283 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:40,799 their case and try to reason for mercy. Yeah okay, and then they 284 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:45,559 get healed. I have pretty good advocacy, right Sometimes if the healing doesn't 285 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:51,160 occur within three days, There's going to be deeper things that have to get 286 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,400 addressed or brought up to the surface, or maybe I didn't uncover it. 287 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,319 Usually, if you just uncover something or bring it to awareness, a lot 288 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,440 of times it's all people really need. I don't know how your work goes, 289 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,839 but I find a lot of times if people gain an understanding or even 290 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:14,480 see what the thing is, that will often cause right, sure, I 291 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,640 mean, what do you feel? Do you feel that? Like? As 292 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:21,640 soon as they reach that clarity, then it just goes right, it does 293 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,480 well. When I do readings, they're just mostly a monologue. And I 294 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:32,160 start off and throughout my readings, I go forward and backward in time, 295 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,759 and I often see people's lives from conception to completion. Now I don't see 296 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:44,200 the acts at either end. It's the energy right from you know to to 297 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:48,160 woomb to tomb right right, But so it's the energy that i'm that I'm 298 00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,759 I never thought of it that way, and and I move forward and backward, 299 00:28:53,079 --> 00:29:00,759 and and I use in my personal beliefs, are that what we experience 300 00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:03,799 one way, we must experience equally the opposite, just as what we are 301 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:12,039 one oh, you're so. What I do is give people information, and 302 00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:19,240 I'm often giving them information about how they've I give people information like bad news. 303 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:25,240 What I do is I look into the future and tell people the results 304 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:30,759 of the negative thing that will occur. Yeah, then I come back to 305 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:36,240 the present and drop a little hint and then change the subject and then talk 306 00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:41,599 some more about something else, then talk about the really good events because of 307 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:45,960 and then I add a little bit more. And sometimes in an hour reading 308 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:51,759 and my readings are generally that I'll take half an hour to give the bad 309 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:56,000 news. But by the time I'm giving the bad news, they're ready for 310 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,279 it and are looking forward to it. So you're training them. Spirit showed 311 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:04,079 me some this is a valuable surface that you do. And you know what's 312 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:07,319 funny, it showed me that nightmares are like that too. So if we 313 00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:15,680 practice confronting that terrible thing, it's actually strengthening and knowing that we're going to 314 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,599 get through it correct and that's the big thing. And and also that you're 315 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:23,960 a fear healer that's healing their fears, right. Yes, Well, what 316 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:29,119 I'm helping a lot. I do a lot of work with trauma people that 317 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,400 have had trauma. Yes, And I focus on being safe and and and 318 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:40,519 being in control of themselves right, yes, and how to get in control 319 00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:45,839 when you're out of control, and how to identify when you're out of control 320 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,480 how to get back in control. It's hard, right, because I think 321 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:52,039 that what you're doing then, which is the hardest thing for most people, 322 00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:57,960 is to have that confrontation right, which it or like face it right in 323 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,680 a way gentle I'm really yes, And and a lot of my work is 324 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,240 about showing people how they're safe. Mm, that's beautiful, that's what. 325 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:14,599 Yeah, well that that's where they're And again I'm not as fancy or whatever. 326 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,000 I just sort of do what's necessary. And and yeah, I'm rather 327 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:25,279 gentle most of the time when I'm giving information and and it's like a human 328 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:29,119 session. I try to make a lot of jokes. I do too. 329 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,720 Humor is good because the news isn't always good and there's a lot of you 330 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,720 know, dark, terrifying things in reality, but they're part of the deal 331 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:42,400 here, so we can't. I feel like some people will try to avoid 332 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:48,640 that facing those things, and then it doesn't serve that's right. Then it 333 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,720 just gets more difficult. They become schism, do they become broken? Yeah? 334 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,759 Yeah, so that's kind of like that's some of the ways I do 335 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,160 my work. Yeah, so you that's very h hey. And going through 336 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:07,000 the timelines, that's very like an indigenous practice too, right, where they 337 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:10,480 go through from beginning to end. And that's really how to make something cool 338 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:16,359 is to see it in that totality. And I talk about, you know, 339 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:23,720 events that happened in their early life or and and how it affected them 340 00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:29,440 and what it's doing today and and then and then all the other stuff that 341 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:34,000 you know a psychic would do as well. Wow, do you use tools? 342 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,799 Do use like carts? Or it just comes in? Yeah, I've 343 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,799 never used a medium. Do you feel like you have a familiar spirit or 344 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:47,960 you're just getting the data? Neat it like data. I probably have a 345 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:55,079 lot of familiars around me. I lived with three Golden Retrievers, and my 346 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:02,279 dogs have always been a part of my work, or cats and so so 347 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,200 yeah, I do, and the work they work with my clients too, 348 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:14,519 right, they really do. Animals are so powerful for that and connecting because 349 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,640 a lot of where we get the disruption is in our physicals animal souls. 350 00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:23,279 Right, So I feel like reconnecting to earth, to animals, to nature. 351 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:30,839 That's where we can go way back past ourselves, even into that primordial 352 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:36,960 space that is held in that nature. So what did your parents think about 353 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:45,599 your perceptions? As I was very lucky. My mother was a hippie who 354 00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:51,519 studied all this kind of different religions. I was very open, was an 355 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:59,480 artist, was you know, very kind of encouraging to learn about and study 356 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:06,039 all of these kinds of things. My father was absent and then passed away, 357 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,639 so I did a lot of that stuff. Kind of was my ancestor 358 00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:14,320 work that I had to feel through and connect to. How do you do 359 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:21,800 that? I do ancestor work by feeling into the land and the earth because 360 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,440 like when I've had some of my river experiences, people might not know this, 361 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:30,119 but kind of like you how you see someone's life from birth to death, 362 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:36,599 the river see everything and they remember, they remember, and the land 363 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:39,639 remembers all of us. It's like we're all these weird fossils in the dirt 364 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,119 and it sees and remembers everything. So for me to really you can know 365 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:51,000 any ancestor you want because the land and the earth remembers all of us. 366 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,719 What's it like to swim in the river. If the river knows you. 367 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,400 When you know the river, it's like hanging out with a friend, you 368 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,719 know, it's it's it's like going to go to a restaurant with your favorite 369 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,679 friends. It's a very comforting feeling. But I get a lot of data. 370 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:14,079 So what happens to me is that it just gives me all this data 371 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:20,079 that then I have to kind of process and integrate and it'll just I don't 372 00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:24,280 really do it on purpose. It just comes in sometimes uncomfortably so, but 373 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:30,920 it shows me all these different people in their lives and nature that died in 374 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:35,760 the river or that were killed and sewn in the river, both both okay, 375 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,719 and people that it knows, the river will know, like even people 376 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,440 that do things on the earth, like it knows their whole deal. You 377 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:50,079 know, Okay, you'll have to explain that it'll see. Like say, 378 00:35:50,199 --> 00:35:54,360 for you, for example, people will come to you for your service because 379 00:35:54,440 --> 00:36:00,559 you can see it and get access to it because of who you are and 380 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:07,360 your practices and your labor that you've done in order to get that level. 381 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,000 But the river has it all too as well. So but most people would 382 00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:16,719 never think to approach something in nature to get that kind of data, right, 383 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,880 not anymore anyway. A lot of the olden times people would do it 384 00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:27,079 all the time. If you didn't know what was going on, you would 385 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:29,920 go talk to the tree, or to the river or to the mountain. 386 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:36,400 Sure you know what I mean to get that kind of revelation. Do you 387 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,559 hear voices from the tree or do you get feelings from the tree. Yeah, 388 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:44,920 it's not like a voice, although I have heard voices. When I 389 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,360 hear a voice, it'll usually be a command if there's danger, so I'll 390 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:54,519 get it very specifically if it's like watch out, or it's happened. I've 391 00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:59,559 saved children from getting hit by cars where I'll hear a literal voice in my 392 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,000 ear when there's no one there. It'll be like look out, and they'll 393 00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:05,920 be like a kid, and I'll grab them out of the way and they'll 394 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,280 be like a car. So, okay, when can you remember when a 395 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,800 time like that that happened recently? What time happening several times over my life 396 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,400 happen a total of five children that I pulled out of the way of traffic, 397 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,880 actually, and it was specifically because I had something yell in my ear 398 00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:30,800 so I said, look at grabbed the kid. It said watch out, 399 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:36,239 and I turned and just acted without thinking. And then I was also on 400 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,360 my bicycle and a car was going to hit me when I heard the shout 401 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:44,960 as well. So I only hear voices if it's like a danger thing with 402 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:49,960 the river. It's not a voice that I hear. It's like it's feelings, 403 00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:53,920 but it's like the movie or like I'm seeing playback from a film or 404 00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:00,079 something. So after you've grabbed a child that was in danger getting run over 405 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:05,239 or something, After you grabbed the child, put the child in you know, 406 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,480 safety, and you're walking away, what are you thinking about? I 407 00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:14,199 have like no thoughts at all, And then I like have a freak out 408 00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:20,119 afterwards, usually where I'm like scared, and then all the lenolin happens. 409 00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:22,559 Like one the parent was right there, but like the child was in one 410 00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:27,840 of those little pushy cars, you know. So the parent was behind and 411 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,960 couldn't act fast enough, and the kid just hopped off of the pushy car 412 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:37,719 and literally bolted ran into the street, and I heard the shout, which 413 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,119 was not from the parents. Parent didn't even know couldn't act fast enough. 414 00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:46,199 But I was right there and present so and I feel bad because I'm a 415 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,599 mom. I have kids too. I had to grab them by the arm, 416 00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:52,760 which you know, I would not want to put my hands on someone 417 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:59,079 else's child, so it's uh, but I was just led to do that, 418 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,880 and then the car drove right past, and then I just placed them 419 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,920 back with the parents. But then I have like an adrenaline rush afterwards. 420 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:13,039 What happens, I get shaky, I shake, you know, and just 421 00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:19,719 kind of shake it out. Okay, that's interesting. When I have they 422 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,320 usually don't even know what like that. Sometimes they'll say thank you, but 423 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:29,079 sometimes too they're just like staring wide eyed and don't even know what to do. 424 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:32,400 They're always toddlers. It's like two to four years old, right, 425 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:38,239 yeah, okay, huh. And it's just because I'm in that location at 426 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:43,000 that specific time. You know, I don't think that, right, I 427 00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:45,960 don't. I don't think that would be a coincidence. Right, It's that 428 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,519 lighthouse thing I was talking about. It's the perimeter. Yeah sure, right. 429 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,960 So you agree then that you perhaps would get led to a place where 430 00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:04,440 or a situation where your actions would save a life. Sure. I feel 431 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,679 like that is a capacity thing which I've talked a lot with my teacher about 432 00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:14,639 so some certain people will have capacity for certain work. Okay, so like 433 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,360 you just have an ability, right, Not everybody can do everything. We 434 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,679 can all do different things, like you said earlier, Right, everybody has 435 00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,039 a different gift. And I feel like if someone has a capacity, a 436 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:30,440 lot of times they'll be placed in a perimeter where that capacity will be used 437 00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:37,559 because Spirit loves things to be used according to their purpose. Spirit doesn't like 438 00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,480 things to go to waste. So if you, for example, spend a 439 00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:47,960 lot of time developing yourself for capacity, Spirit wants to see that fulfilled or 440 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:55,800 potentiated. So it's gonna try to place you where you can realize a fulfillment 441 00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:05,239 of your potential capacity. How much of our life does Spirit control or direct 442 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,400 or intrude upon? This is a very good question, right, This is 443 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:15,159 the free will dilemma, isn't it? Yes? Right? I do feel 444 00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:21,559 like we are guided and directed, but not forced. Maybe some people would 445 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:25,599 disagree. Right, Certainly I have felt it and rebelled against it, because 446 00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:30,679 when you see that Spirit is guiding your ego, will have like a little 447 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,119 like, well who am I like? Where do I get to choose? 448 00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:38,320 Why am I? Why me right? Is of course that classic complaints that 449 00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:43,320 so many people have, and then they want to choose something else, but 450 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,199 they keep getting led like Jonah and the whale right back to the same day. 451 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:55,199 So the spirits spirits actually control us and make us learning. I think 452 00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,159 it's redirecting. I wouldn't use the word control, however it wants you. 453 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,639 I was shown and very much in astrology and much of the divination that I 454 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,519 do, people do have like a specific thing that Spirit has created for them. 455 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,480 Yes, we can make our own choices and go do stuff that we 456 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,679 think we want or that we should do, although I would argue a lot 457 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,320 of that gets implanted by culture, and I don't know how much really is 458 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,679 people's true desire. But they think that's what they should be doing because they've 459 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,880 been fed it right or influenced, and then Spirit has laid a thing that's 460 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:37,039 like, look, here's look what I gave you, Okay, your birthright, 461 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:43,400 your inheritance, and could you just like do it this way? So 462 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,000 I do feel like you'll keep getting redirected, but I don't know about control 463 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:52,960 or force. We get to keep making choices away from it, but I 464 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:59,280 don't know, I do see that I get constantly redirected as I fall off 465 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:05,320 the path, right, So I wouldn't say I'm controlled like a robot, 466 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,400 but I would say that Spirit redirects is how I would best say it. 467 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:16,239 And then when you can surrender, you can do Spirit's will through you, 468 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:24,519 which is like a big relinquishing of your free will seemingly but maybe not that 469 00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:31,239 bad. Okay, all right, that's that's interesting. I never quite thought 470 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,199 of it like that. Do you feel Spirit has control or do you feel 471 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:45,760 like you choose? I believe that we have free choice and free will all 472 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,159 the time. Yeah, And and I believe the purpose of our life is 473 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:58,280 to experience. M hmm, that's it. Okay, So, and and 474 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,440 we have free choice and free will to experience anything we want. The rule 475 00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:07,079 with that doll is what we do one way, we got to do the 476 00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:10,519 opposite, right right, Okay, It's got to balance out because you can't 477 00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:15,159 have like a one sided line. So what you do one way, you 478 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,480 must do either polarity absolutely, Okay. So so that that that's how I 479 00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:27,039 see things, and I think that we we we have a free choice. 480 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,840 Well, let me ask you this. Have you found that there's things that 481 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:36,039 you circle back to repeatedly, even in your free choices. So say you 482 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:37,840 are, and I agree, we do have that free will. I think 483 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:43,360 that's correct. Okay. So you found in your life that there are things 484 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:51,079 where that keep like free apparent absolutely absolutely. And what I've discovered is opten 485 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:59,000 me personally, is a direct result of the developmental trauma that I experienced at 486 00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:05,480 a young okay. And and it's it's those uh patterns in my brain. 487 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:12,440 And when I become aware of the pattern, then I can make it different. 488 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,960 Okay, Okay. And that's the type of work I do with people 489 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:22,360 and with my stuff too, That's how I do it. Yeah, I 490 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:28,960 definitely agree, and things will keep circling back until they get that absolutely absolutely. 491 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,079 And and another way to think of it is what we do one way, 492 00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:37,039 we have to do equally the opposite and every other possibility in between. 493 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,880 And and that's another way to the universal law. The opposite are real in 494 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:49,199 physical reality. So it's just every every atom is going to have protons and 495 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,039 electronics. You can't change the physical structure of reality. And I do feel 496 00:45:54,079 --> 00:46:01,440 like as humans under natural law, we have no choice but to engage with 497 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,360 the physical reality, just like we have to eat, we got a poop, 498 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:13,000 we got the opposite, isn't it very much? Yes? And and 499 00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:20,199 that's that's that's how I see things and pretty simple, you know, Yeah, 500 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,360 so I do. So you would think that the recircling then, or 501 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,119 maybe if there is something God keeps bringing back, would be predominantly for the 502 00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:40,119 purpose of healing. Right up until this very moment, I would have considered 503 00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:45,000 that, yes, it would be for the purpose of healing. But based 504 00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:49,039 on my beliefs, you know, what we do one way, we must 505 00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:52,599 do equally the opposite. So if if we're going to do based on healing, 506 00:46:52,639 --> 00:47:00,679 then it would be something different. It could be based on it's trying 507 00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:05,199 to fulfill that opposition because you had a detriment. So now you must absolutely, 508 00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:09,519 absolutely right, that's right, okay, And we have to experience. 509 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:17,199 And I also believe in being manifesting as well. Uh huh. We have 510 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,280 free sure, we can create things, we have that power to creation. 511 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,239 Well, my belief is that if you can, if you believe it, 512 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,599 you can do it. So the only thing that prevents you from flying is 513 00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:39,320 because you don't believe you can't. And if you absolutely if you did believe 514 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,960 you could, you can't. So the only reason we can't walk through a 515 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:50,800 wall is because we don't believe we can, right And and and what I 516 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:55,679 do with my clients is all get them to visualize something they can believe. 517 00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:02,039 And I'll explain, you know, don't set a goal to what you think 518 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,800 you want or what you think you can do, because that's been influenced, 519 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,440 right, So it's really most of it. And something my teacher, doctor 520 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,400 Calvin de Wolfe, talks about and what he does is try to remove all 521 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:22,480 the paradigms completely off of people's mental structure. Right. So we're all kind 522 00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:28,000 of trapped in the mental box. So in order to you can't do that 523 00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:31,079 from within the box. That's boxing it. Right. So part of the 524 00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:35,880 dilemma, which I think is what you're talking about with your clients, is 525 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,599 how are you going to enable someone to expand past a belief system while they're 526 00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:45,679 within the belief system. So what I do, yeah, show them or 527 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:52,480 or or convince them to set a goal that's believable to them, right, 528 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,719 right, and once doot Hans says as well, right, set a goal 529 00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:01,360 that you know you can accomplish and when and you accomplish that, then you 530 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,599 can stretch that goal to higher I do. I'm so sagittarious I do. 531 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,960 I go big, right, So I try to show them a miracle and 532 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,000 then bust out them completely. But you go step by step. That's probably 533 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:22,719 more integratable, right. So I like to show them impossible things that then 534 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,559 they can't stay in their bodles. Okay, you know it's just gonna poof 535 00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:32,159 it away so that they can move past it, right. So, but 536 00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:36,840 then I reach limits. I am a creator as well, and I believe 537 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,440 in the power of creation, but then I also see where we're limited and 538 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:45,239 what those boundaries are in terms of seeing like Creator for example. So I'll 539 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:52,519 bounce it off of like what Creator makes with like you know, nature and 540 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:57,280 sea, Like can I how far can I push it? What can I 541 00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,639 make go? And then push it against what the reality exhibits, past what 542 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:08,760 I think is possible, but then looking at what is there and see where 543 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:14,840 my creative limits really truly lie, and then how to push past those, 544 00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:20,960 but to see what has been created already by some other thing whatever it is, 545 00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:28,719 right, So that'll kind of make that game or push pull, right. 546 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:36,639 Yeah, So I also believe that anyone can do miracles, and you 547 00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:38,280 can do a miracle. If you believe you can do it, you can 548 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,320 do it. But would you say if you don't believe it, it won't 549 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,480 happen. If you're trying to do a miracle. Yes, that's right, 550 00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:53,280 and you're that's right. That's right, and you have to and and you 551 00:50:53,320 --> 00:51:00,320 can't start off with walking on water. That's the gold medal round. When 552 00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:04,079 you do that miracle, you know, you stand on the podium, they 553 00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:07,360 put a crown on your head and they play your national anthem. Right, 554 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:12,840 that's what you get for that one. So what I'll focus on is think 555 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:20,920 about getting a parking space. Yeah, achievable goals, achievable goals, and 556 00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:25,960 practice them and practice in practice, and then eventually you'll almost always find a 557 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,400 parking space. And then you can take it from there and expand it more. 558 00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:36,760 But you have to you have Well, I will offer that one of 559 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,960 the things I experienced was experiencing miracles I did not believe in and did not 560 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:45,679 think possible. So I feel like I had seen things happen that I did. 561 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,599 It was and that's where I felt a bigger thing that was beyond my 562 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,119 participation that was impossible and happened nonetheless. So I'll say two things. I 563 00:51:54,159 --> 00:52:00,920 do agree with you that for a person mostly to arm a miracle, you 564 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,280 have to believe you can. But I would say I have experienced miracles when 565 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,000 there was no belief present at all that happened. Well, may I also 566 00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:16,719 suggest to you that it wasn't in your conscious mind, but absolutely, but 567 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:21,920 that was there for you. Agree. I agree, there's a lot we 568 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:28,159 don't know that's happening behind the scenes, right, that's right, true, 569 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,679 true. I've definitely and had that happened with multiple people. So part of 570 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:37,280 what I'll keep me going is like, I'll have it happen with others as 571 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,360 well, so I'll be like, you know, because then you reach this 572 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:44,679 point where you're like, am I crazy? Is this delusional? Everybody I 573 00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,639 think will have that happened a little bit, especially if you're practicing this stuff. 574 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,280 But for me, what has helped is they'll get like witnesses or other 575 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:57,039 people that are seeing that that, well, my god, that was impossible. 576 00:52:57,079 --> 00:53:00,400 I can't believe that just happened or something, And then they'll have like 577 00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:05,880 witnesses you can see, and then they all expand as well in that moment, 578 00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,440 which for practitioners like yourself, you get to share that with the client 579 00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:14,480 when it happens. Yeah, right right right, and and and I and 580 00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:20,280 and that's how I do my stuff too. Yeah, that's how I be 581 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,800 Sharing it with others is powerful? Yeah, certainly, yes, Yes, 582 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:32,000 what a fascinating conversation. You know, we could I think we could talk 583 00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:37,119 about stuff for hours and hours and hours and hours and not get board. 584 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:45,800 Perhaps just both because we're both Canadians. Maybe that's so good, so good. 585 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:52,800 So so, how do people get in touch with you for your services 586 00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:58,599 and therapies teaching things like that? And how do people get in touch with 587 00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:01,719 you? Oh? Sure, I'm on which of the Dawn dot com? 588 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:07,119 And my email is Maja at god is my boyfriend dot com? Do you 589 00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:15,119 have like a conversation with your boyfriend often or does he speak with daily? 590 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:21,119 Yes? Even when I sleep sometimes. Really so, do you feel that 591 00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:25,440 that brings up protection to you? Well, I feel like I had to 592 00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:30,760 let go of all the protection ideas. I think being vulnerable and accepting that 593 00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:37,320 the lack of protection gives you more strength than trying to Because you know, 594 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,679 I've come into spirituality and there's a lot of people who do things to try 595 00:54:42,679 --> 00:54:47,920 to get protection or save themselves or you know, fortify. Spirit showed me 596 00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:52,679 this is actually a me. I won't say it's bad, but not for 597 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:58,199 me. So when you fortify and make yourself safe, you're also like trapped 598 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:04,360 in a prison a little bit. So Spirit has encouraged me to not seek 599 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:12,440 protection but to be open. All right. Well, so I wouldn't say 600 00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,920 that I seek protection from spirit because Spirit encourages me. It's not like I 601 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:22,199 go do super dangerous things though, although sometimes, but you know, I 602 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,039 don't want to. I want to be here as long as I can. 603 00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:29,599 So I'm definitely not like reckless, but I wouldn't say I seek protection. 604 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:34,840 So we you know, I hear a lot of people talking about spirit and 605 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,239 spirituality and things like this, and then I go back to my way of 606 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:45,760 thinking. And my way of thinking is for every action, there is an 607 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,480 equal and opposite reaction. If there's good, there has to be bad. 608 00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:55,880 And and and when I think about being spiritual, I've met many, many, 609 00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,639 many, many spiritual people. And I have met some spiritual people that 610 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:07,360 are kind and loving and beautiful, and I have met some spiritual people that 611 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:15,119 are evil and and worship the Black Arts. They are spiritual, nonetheless agree. 612 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,800 And so when everyone's talking about, oh, I'm spiritual, I think 613 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,559 you've got to be careful and identify what kind of spiritual you are, because 614 00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:34,039 just saying spiritual, well, some people use that as a title. I 615 00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:38,119 agree, it's a it's a big problem. And even using certain words like 616 00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:43,719 god or how to describe it is I mean, it's in ineffable. But 617 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:49,199 there's so many types of practice, me definition, and then and then there 618 00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:54,719 are other people that use spirituality, Oh that person isn't spiritual because well, 619 00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:00,280 we don't have that awareness to make those judgments, I think, right, 620 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:06,760 I think we should look in the mirror first. I think that using spirit 621 00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:12,239 as a weapon, that's weaponized spirituality. Isn't it to try to create a 622 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,679 plant where these saints and criminals? Right? I don't. I don't subscribe 623 00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:21,400 to that either. And I feel like spirit is like water. Anyone that 624 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,559 goes in it is going to get wet. So it's not actually, to 625 00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:30,480 most people's surprise, it isn't dependent on your moral character, and the spirit 626 00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:35,559 is spirit. It doesn't matter who you are. And that's a big pill 627 00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:38,840 to swallow for a lot of people. So defining your spirituality, which can 628 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:45,119 take all of those polarities, as you stated, which are real, is 629 00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:49,280 important. I think you can feel it off most people. But certainly a 630 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:54,119 lot of people seem to get duped by thinking what they think is spirituality and 631 00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:58,960 then they surprise the person is not that thing they thought it was. And 632 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:10,480 what we believe can be different than what is real. Yes, so we 633 00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:16,800 could think that the purpose to be on this planet is to learn love. 634 00:58:19,639 --> 00:58:27,960 But if that's the case, then there's another planet it's purposes to experience hate, 635 00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:35,360 yes, and that would be throughout the universe. And and as we 636 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:42,039 evolve, we don't eliminate negative in our life. What what we do is 637 00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:47,960 we expand and stay balanced. Integration, yeah, and equalization. I do 638 00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:59,679 one hundred percent that reality of the polarity and neutralizing oppositional forces is really where 639 00:58:59,679 --> 00:59:06,639 I like to come at and see that middle point where the two can come 640 00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:10,840 into some kind of marriage with each other too. But you to think really 641 00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:16,320 that you're going to eliminate negativity. This is not a physical reality in our 642 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:22,559 world. So I don't think that's healthy or good for people. They have 643 00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:28,480 to be able to either do the opposite thing and neutralize it as you state, 644 00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:32,719 which is a natural thing that will occur or you're going to have to 645 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:39,119 expand in order to be more inclusive of that end and then neutralize it right 646 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:45,280 right. Yeah, So let's go over one more time how people can find 647 00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:52,000 you, because we did that closing stuff and then we kept going so so 648 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:58,639 so yea, So how is it that people can find you? And what 649 00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:04,599 are they going to get when they find Drew much of the Dawn dot com. 650 01:00:04,679 --> 01:00:10,440 It does have my email and that's the Dawn Dawn Dawn like the Rising 651 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:17,000 Sun. There's a lot of free lectures that I have through my YouTube link. 652 01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:21,800 There's links to my books. If they don't want to book a session 653 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,840 and they're just want to find out more information. I give a lot of 654 01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:30,119 free data both in my lectures and then podcast such as this one, where 655 01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:35,599 we can share information with people. That's a lot of fun. Uh, 656 01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:43,199 thank you so much. It's been a wonderful talk and I appreciate you so 657 01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,280 so very much. Thank you. Oh likewise, likewise, thank you so 658 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:53,440 much. Wow, what a fabulous talk we had tonight, Majado, Thank 659 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:58,559 you so much. I learned so much from you and one of the most 660 01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:04,760 important things that I've No matter what side we're coming from, no matter what 661 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,960 our beliefs are, when it comes down to it, we all do pretty 662 01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:14,400 much the same thing. Well, what a fascinating talk, Thank you very 663 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,679 much. Just before I go, though, I have a couple more requests. 664 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,719 If you're watching us on YouTube, please like, comment, and subscribe 665 01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:30,039 to our channel. You can also find us on Apple, Spotify, and 666 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:36,320 iHeart and pretty much anywhere else You here and see your podcast. If you'd 667 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,719 like to get in touch with me, you can find me on YouTube, 668 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:46,159 Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok. You can also find me on my website 669 01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:53,440 www dot Robert Lindseymilne dot com. Now, just before I say goodbye, 670 01:01:53,920 --> 01:02:00,280 please remember do good, stay safe, and above all, just because, 671 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:01,920 good night, everybod