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Robert Lindsay Man. That's me. Welcome to my side of Chrystopher Ball.
Have an interesting guest, actually a fascinating guest and someone who has ideas and
ways of expressing the way she thinks very very differently from me. We get
into who are debate and then we have a very interesting ending in our interview
today. My special guests sitting in the experts chair is Majadau, which teacher,
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RS is all about tonight. A couple of days ago, probably on on
on Friday, I posted a cartoon on Facebook and on Instagram and pretty much
anywhere else I could of of this cartoon, and it was a picture of
a woman wearing a white dress or something white in her hands are like this,
and then there are two guys beside her, one another one and rither's
shoulder, and they're looking at her and the caps and above says the woman
speaking, now that I have found my spiritual awakening, I have evolved and
let go of my ego, and now I'm better than all of you.
And I laughed at that because it just reminded me of a lot of new
agers that I've met over my lifetime, and I just had to post it,
and I did and I laughed. Since that time, I've been thinking
about that poster and I realized I was looking down and mocking those people,
and I realized, then it takes one to know one. And then I
had to remember because it came to me. You know, my philosophy,
what we are one way, we are equally the other and the ultimate one
that I've been teaching and living throughout my life is what we see in others
is what we see in ourselves. M I still thought it was funny,
and that's what Robert has to say. Marja Dao is my very special guest
tonight. Besides the fact that she's a fellow Canadian, although on the Quebec
Clas side, she is a witch, a medium and channeler, a healer.
She has a philanthroptic organization. She gives a lot to charity, She
is a lecturer, an author, and her ways of thinking and expressing her
work is diametrically opposite to mine. And I'm looking forward to having this wonderful
conversation with Maja. So let's just light this candle and get on with the
interview. Well, I'd like to thank you very much for being here today,
and one of my first thoughts is how did you discover that you're a
witch. It's my pleasure and I'm happy to answer that I've loved great speaking
on it. For me, I had a lot of strange experiences my whole
life that I couldn't really explain using what other people, I guess would say
predominantly or that I was receiving, so I looked for other explanations. And
really when I identified with being a witch, I had to be around ten
or twelve years old due to getting exposure to pagan books. I went to
church, you know, my family we went to an Episcopal church, but
I never really had any spiritual experiences there that matched what was happening to me
personally due to illness or experiences in nature predominantly was what my experiences were made
of. So when I had a real experience of spirit, it was in
nature and also through out of body due to illness. And I read in
Pagan how sick were you when you were small? I had asthma that led
to serious bouts of pneumonia that would go every winter. I grew up in
Montreal, so the winters there are kind of gnarly, you know, even
even colder than Toronto, a lot of snow, so my lungs really were,
like, you know, just not the best. And so most of
the years of school I would spend at least four to five months in my
bed suffering fruit pneumonia, bronchites, difficulty breathing, and I had experiences where
I would go in and out of my body and see my body from above
or different places. And then were you able to control that or did it
just happen? It just happened, no control at all? Can you control
that now? Like? Can you now? I do it specifically? Yes?
Correct? Wow? So you have out of you consciously deliberately create an
out a body experience, and do you project yourself places? I can and
do projection. I also have created a double of myself, which was thanks
to my spiritual teacher, doctor Kelvin Dwolf. So I use his techniques which
are meditative hypnagoguic. They also use vision quest type of things where we fast,
don't sleep, things like this, and then create concentration pockets where I
can go. It is energy intensive, so I can't just like cruise out
whenever, and it does have a energetic tool upon me, and then I
have to reintegrate ground what means you get really tired, and also I get
really tired and I have to ground back into reality. So like after I
go out, you know, if I try to like talk to somebody or
something, it's disconnect. I guess it's an easy way to say it.
How do you protect your physical body when you've projected you yourself somewhere else?
Yes, that's a very good question. I do intensive physical labor to make
sure my body is strong, so I practice martial arts. Okay, you
look pretty Oh yeah, I'm pretty strong, like I guess that's a relative
word. But I do a lot of techniques to make sure my body is
strong before engaging in the spiritual work, and they have to both be at
a certain level before I'm going to feel like I have enough juice, you
know? So is your body also protected when you've projected yourself? Like,
like, can other entities or energies enter your body when you've done that.
I have never had that experienced, but I certainly work with a lot of
people who have another thing in them, do a negative thing. A lot
of my clients will be, you know, suffering from addiction, or they'll
have issues with suicide or just kind of lost. Maybe not to sure everybody's
not as extreme, but I'll have people on all the ends of the spectrum.
I feel like I've never not been me. I haven't had an experience
where I've had something else come in. And I'm a female, I've had
children, so I've had like kind of a lot of experiences where something else
could pop in, I guess, and who knows, Maybe I'm ignorant and
it has happened, and I don't know, but I've never felt a loss
of me in all of those experiences. Yeah, which I guess a lot
of people will say, you know, channels will feel like something else comes
in. That's not I would not say that's what I experience. Yeah.
My thinking on that, you know, when I do readings and I do
what I always tell my students is that is that whatever's coming through you is
not for you, and it shouldn't stay in you. So you have to
get you have to release it. If not, you'll get sick or hurt
or something. I do agree with that, and I actually have a lot
of colleagues and friends who do mediumship or channeling, and they do get sick
quite a bit, absolutely get sick a lot. A lot of my rapie
people will find they have a lot of illness, and I do think it's
because of what you said where they need to do a clear to get rid
of it. Yeah, it's not yours. Okay. So so when people
are your clients, what do they seek you out for? What do you
do? I have pretty much every dilemma you could come across. I mean,
maybe that's probably not true. I should well, I was asking your
technique rather than the specific types of pure. Sure. My techniques vary quite
a bit. I have a I use so I'll use divination, I'll do
astrology, eaching tarot for people and they'll have like maybe a specific issue they
just need answers or clarity on. So I get sought for that quite a
bit. Some people will come to me because they just are stuck and they
feel like they need some negative energy removed, so like for clearing or exorcism
type of thing. Uh. For those, I use my techniques of archangels,
where I just call in something bigger. So my main strategy is like,
well you got well when when when God is your boyfriend, I'm are
you know, like much more? Just go big? You know, I'm
a Sagittarius, so I'm like, I have a hard time with limits.
So if somebody hasn't need you, and it has like maybe a specific identity,
I know that their hierarchy is real. And my experience so I'll just
kind of try to go above whatever it is and see if that has an
effect, which often it'll be very efficacious. I get quite a bit of
efficacy, or I wouldn't keep going obviously, So I'll get people that come
in from clearings. I do have people that have health issues. When you
do clearings, what what are you doing? I do four directions, so
I just call in the four archangels who I have developed a relationship with.
So I put a lot of time and effort into service and establishing a relationship
with these things, much like with the divination systems. Right, So I
kind of view, if I'm going to be a facilitator, I better have
a good relationship with these tools. Right, So most of my time is
spent inchoring in my intake with the tools that I use. So, because
I spend a lot of time practicing with these things, then when a client
comes, I don't even care about them or who they are. I'm using
the force of the tools to assist them. Right, And and you're practicing
doing your your healing or your art or your psychic ability. So okay,
you're You're only the second person that I've heard of that does this work that
practices Oh interesting, weird. Yeah, the other one is me. Well,
I can say I have had a hard time finding others as well.
A lot of people will just kind of do it, but they don't have
the practice as part of their lifestyle. Right. Absolutely, It's a lot
of talk and they're not walking their talk, right absolutely. Absolutely, commitment
to have integrity, to have some since you must engage it as like a
relationship. I view it like the relationship that you would have with a boyfriend,
a girlfriend, a friend. To me, the divination systems, I
must have integrity with my relationship to them, just like I would a friend.
Sure, sure, yeah, that's really fascinating. So what is a
familiar than being comfortable with somebody? Well, familiar it is. It's comfort.
And then also like family, right which sometimes family talk very comfortable depending
right, but we we it's again like a relationship. So I feel and
in my book, I describe a familiar as it can take the form of
an animal, a person, a nature, a spirit like an animal,
rock, could be a river, even a place like land or oceans,
and then also interdimensionally of different intelligences or arcons. I feel like even can
be familiar. As to certain people, so they actually have a pretty wide
girth. A lot of people think of familiar as more as animals specifically,
but I feel like you can have a familiar spirit that is passed on loved
one or an angel as well. Can as cannot familiar still be alive.
Absolutely, I think so, yes, especially if it's like an animal or
even some people are familiar as I feel like personally. So I guess I'm
a little more broad in my definition than maybe some others might be. What
type of familiars do you have? I predominantly have an angelic one that identifies
themselves as an angel, whatever that might mean. So I also do get
nature ones. I have relationships with some rivers that are very intense for me
where they'll communicate information, like I've had several rivers near where I live.
And then also the Ohio rivers say what do they say to you? The
Ohio River showed me that it's very upset at how many dead bodies it has
to carry. The Ohio rivers message was a bummer. I'll tell you right
now. It was trying to tell me, it was pleading me. It's
case of how doesn't want people putting the bodies of their dead into it anymore.
Oh, does that mean killing somebody and throwing him in the river.
That is exactly correct. And the river is getting fed up with us.
It's fed up with it. It's asking us to stop it. Are we
listening? I hope. So I'm try listening, and I hope everyone else
is. And it said it's been happening a while. It showed me images
of Native Americans getting murdered in the Ohio River. It was trying to show
me that this has got to stop and it keeps going on, and it
was showing me and then like I went on Google and I saw that a
lot of bodies seem to be dumped in the Ohio River from murder victims still
to this day. And it was trying to plead a case that it wants
human beings to stop dumping blood into the rivers, because it's message up.
I think the best way it's hard, right, because I certainly haven't ever
dumped anybody in a river. But then I'm like, why is it telling
me? And then what is my duty to try to stop it? Right?
Part of it I see is to listen, tell other people like we're
doing today, and then other people will hear also and to give the river
love and compassion. And then I try to work spiritually to help people raise
up their vibrations. I feel like, honestly, am I going to stop
murderers? Right? And this probably might be something every spiritual worker has to
come to, like our impotence, right, maybe you know what I'm talking
about, Like what can we do to prevent these shadowy behaviors of our fellow
human beings if we're not politicians, if we're not lawyers, if we're not
punitive warriors going about being vigilantes. For me, I do the work on
interdimensional levels where I try to make prayers to raise people up, to bring
them into their conscience, to bring their ancestors into their awareness, to help
them listen. So for me personally, all I've been able to really grab
onto to what do you do? Is try to listen myself and then help
other people listen. Okay, what about you? Do you have any like
things you get in terms of well, well, I'm rather simple and and
and I don't think in terms of other dimensions or you know, world hunger
or or war. I I just take care of the person in front of
man, that's good. So so that that's that's that's who I can help.
That's who I can help change and not really and and and that's really
my focus. So in in your areas, I'm not quite as sophisticated because
I'm, you know, just that narrow thing. So and my thing is
being kind and and being And I've taken up as a as a hobby every
day to be kind and to be kind to people that I dislike and or
or find disgusting or offensive or whatever. I do my best to do those
things too. That's very powerful as well. The focus, right, that's
funny. It's very masculine. The masculine focuses on one yea, and the
feminine kind of goes bigger, the multi the multitasker. Sure, that's divine
masculine energy. I feel like it is. It's superpowers, that vocal concentration,
right, the the arrow. And that's that's who I can help,
you know, I can I can help the person that's dying in front of
me. I cannot save the world, you know. That's that's that's been
my feeling. So, yeah, I've been a professional psychic for fifty seven
years. Yeah, it's been a minute. Yeah, yeah, it seems
like it. So that spreads in a net as well. You know,
when you help one person, it's not just one person. Everyone that person
is connected to. That's it's like throwing a stone in a pond or dropping
it the ripple. Yeah, and and it just gets passed on. So
that's where you know, my thinking is. So I got a little bit
confused or impressed, actually impressed with with all the dimensions that you were were
talking about. When did they come on like similarly effective? You know of
course? So yeah, well we all have our our function. There's no
competition exactly, there's no necessary Yeah, there there's somebody for everybody to get
help from. And in our field, you know there and everybody is different.
You know how spirit showed me. It showed me that we're like lighthouses
or like like a hot like how there's hospitals at different locations, so it's
like who's in your proximity there will be a lighthouse or like a place to
go to right or like a well I guess it's another way to explain it.
Yeah, So you have some rather impressive degrees. You have a bachelor's
degree in biochemistry. Yeah, oh, well just just everyday stuff, right,
and and you have a master's degree in transformational psychology. Wow, okay,
So what is transformational psychology? I love the the words, the way,
So what is it? Yeah? So most of the kind of beginners
of that field, where people like Stands loss Grof. I don't know if
you've heard of his work. He did a lot of studying of like people
that were born and how they were born and how that affected who they were
as a person. Absolutely reality, absolutely, and really it's like looking at
there's the study of psychology and how your brain works and affects you. But
then the transformational is really a way to see, like, if there is
a certain habituation or way that your psychology is, how are you going to
shift or change that? Right? Which is really how people use magic most
of the time. Or ritual. So for me, I found transformational psychology
was very much like indigenous or shamanic ritual to take somebody's paradigm or mind frame
and how are you going to shift, grow or evolve it? Right?
So that's always been so fascinating to me. And it has to do I
feel like, with how nature evolves, how DNA works, because it'll have
like a problem or something that it's wrestling with, and then it'll just kind
of make this leap and then heal it or move past it, you know.
So I like to think about how people's mind is and use the divination
to see what is going on. And then I wanted to think about how
are we going to, you know, not necessarily solve it, because I
don't think the way people's mind is necessarily a stigma or a problem to solve,
but how to assist in growth and expansion. Okay, yeah, is
your type of therapy a talk therapy or it uses talk? But also I
sit there and feel and because this is gonna sound so weird, but I
have to see, I don't right, maybe not for you. So I've
come to feel that when I have a session with people my double and my
angel, it's kind of like going to court where I feel like I'm kind
of a spiritual art a traitor or a spiritual lawyer, where they're pleading me
a case and I'm listening, and then these other things are kind of like
doing like a court case of arbitration where they're presenting something and then it's getting
weighed as to like, well, number one are they telling the truth or
is this coming from shadow? And also like what is the prescription or judge's
decision? So part of it is yes, me talking, But then I
do feel things happening on other levels, maybe outside of both of us,
that somehow us bringing it up in conversation is causing a spiritual court case to
occur. That's very interesting. That's a different way than I do or that
that's okay. So are you part of the negotiation or are you observing?
Okay? I am mercy based, So I guess I would call myself like
a defense attorney. I'm not a prosecutor because I've been coming well I you
know, ye who knows really, But I feel like I try to be
humble and come into humility. So I think people with prosecutors have got something
to prove, and maybe they feel like they need to punish or feel justified
in order to bring some kind of punishment down on people, Whereas I guess
I am more of a defense attorney at heart. So I'm going to plead
their case and try to reason for mercy. Yeah okay, and then they
get healed. I have pretty good advocacy, right Sometimes if the healing doesn't
occur within three days, There's going to be deeper things that have to get
addressed or brought up to the surface, or maybe I didn't uncover it.
Usually, if you just uncover something or bring it to awareness, a lot
of times it's all people really need. I don't know how your work goes,
but I find a lot of times if people gain an understanding or even
see what the thing is, that will often cause right, sure, I
mean, what do you feel? Do you feel that? Like? As
soon as they reach that clarity, then it just goes right, it does
well. When I do readings, they're just mostly a monologue. And I
start off and throughout my readings, I go forward and backward in time,
and I often see people's lives from conception to completion. Now I don't see
the acts at either end. It's the energy right from you know to to
woomb to tomb right right, But so it's the energy that i'm that I'm
I never thought of it that way, and and I move forward and backward,
and and I use in my personal beliefs, are that what we experience
one way, we must experience equally the opposite, just as what we are
one oh, you're so. What I do is give people information, and
I'm often giving them information about how they've I give people information like bad news.
What I do is I look into the future and tell people the results
of the negative thing that will occur. Yeah, then I come back to
the present and drop a little hint and then change the subject and then talk
some more about something else, then talk about the really good events because of
and then I add a little bit more. And sometimes in an hour reading
and my readings are generally that I'll take half an hour to give the bad
news. But by the time I'm giving the bad news, they're ready for
it and are looking forward to it. So you're training them. Spirit showed
me some this is a valuable surface that you do. And you know what's
funny, it showed me that nightmares are like that too. So if we
practice confronting that terrible thing, it's actually strengthening and knowing that we're going to
get through it correct and that's the big thing. And and also that you're
a fear healer that's healing their fears, right. Yes, Well, what
I'm helping a lot. I do a lot of work with trauma people that
have had trauma. Yes, And I focus on being safe and and and
being in control of themselves right, yes, and how to get in control
when you're out of control, and how to identify when you're out of control
how to get back in control. It's hard, right, because I think
that what you're doing then, which is the hardest thing for most people,
is to have that confrontation right, which it or like face it right in
a way gentle I'm really yes, And and a lot of my work is
about showing people how they're safe. Mm, that's beautiful, that's what.
Yeah, well that that's where they're And again I'm not as fancy or whatever.
I just sort of do what's necessary. And and yeah, I'm rather
gentle most of the time when I'm giving information and and it's like a human
session. I try to make a lot of jokes. I do too.
Humor is good because the news isn't always good and there's a lot of you
know, dark, terrifying things in reality, but they're part of the deal
here, so we can't. I feel like some people will try to avoid
that facing those things, and then it doesn't serve that's right. Then it
just gets more difficult. They become schism, do they become broken? Yeah?
Yeah, so that's kind of like that's some of the ways I do
my work. Yeah, so you that's very h hey. And going through
the timelines, that's very like an indigenous practice too, right, where they
go through from beginning to end. And that's really how to make something cool
is to see it in that totality. And I talk about, you know,
events that happened in their early life or and and how it affected them
and what it's doing today and and then and then all the other stuff that
you know a psychic would do as well. Wow, do you use tools?
Do use like carts? Or it just comes in? Yeah, I've
never used a medium. Do you feel like you have a familiar spirit or
you're just getting the data? Neat it like data. I probably have a
lot of familiars around me. I lived with three Golden Retrievers, and my
dogs have always been a part of my work, or cats and so so
yeah, I do, and the work they work with my clients too,
right, they really do. Animals are so powerful for that and connecting because
a lot of where we get the disruption is in our physicals animal souls.
Right, So I feel like reconnecting to earth, to animals, to nature.
That's where we can go way back past ourselves, even into that primordial
space that is held in that nature. So what did your parents think about
your perceptions? As I was very lucky. My mother was a hippie who
studied all this kind of different religions. I was very open, was an
artist, was you know, very kind of encouraging to learn about and study
all of these kinds of things. My father was absent and then passed away,
so I did a lot of that stuff. Kind of was my ancestor
work that I had to feel through and connect to. How do you do
that? I do ancestor work by feeling into the land and the earth because
like when I've had some of my river experiences, people might not know this,
but kind of like you how you see someone's life from birth to death,
the river see everything and they remember, they remember, and the land
remembers all of us. It's like we're all these weird fossils in the dirt
and it sees and remembers everything. So for me to really you can know
any ancestor you want because the land and the earth remembers all of us.
What's it like to swim in the river. If the river knows you.
When you know the river, it's like hanging out with a friend, you
know, it's it's it's like going to go to a restaurant with your favorite
friends. It's a very comforting feeling. But I get a lot of data.
So what happens to me is that it just gives me all this data
that then I have to kind of process and integrate and it'll just I don't
really do it on purpose. It just comes in sometimes uncomfortably so, but
it shows me all these different people in their lives and nature that died in
the river or that were killed and sewn in the river, both both okay,
and people that it knows, the river will know, like even people
that do things on the earth, like it knows their whole deal. You
know, Okay, you'll have to explain that it'll see. Like say,
for you, for example, people will come to you for your service because
you can see it and get access to it because of who you are and
your practices and your labor that you've done in order to get that level.
But the river has it all too as well. So but most people would
never think to approach something in nature to get that kind of data, right,
not anymore anyway. A lot of the olden times people would do it
all the time. If you didn't know what was going on, you would
go talk to the tree, or to the river or to the mountain.
Sure you know what I mean to get that kind of revelation. Do you
hear voices from the tree or do you get feelings from the tree. Yeah,
it's not like a voice, although I have heard voices. When I
hear a voice, it'll usually be a command if there's danger, so I'll
get it very specifically if it's like watch out, or it's happened. I've
saved children from getting hit by cars where I'll hear a literal voice in my
ear when there's no one there. It'll be like look out, and they'll
be like a kid, and I'll grab them out of the way and they'll
be like a car. So, okay, when can you remember when a
time like that that happened recently? What time happening several times over my life
happen a total of five children that I pulled out of the way of traffic,
actually, and it was specifically because I had something yell in my ear
so I said, look at grabbed the kid. It said watch out,
and I turned and just acted without thinking. And then I was also on
my bicycle and a car was going to hit me when I heard the shout
as well. So I only hear voices if it's like a danger thing with
the river. It's not a voice that I hear. It's like it's feelings,
but it's like the movie or like I'm seeing playback from a film or
something. So after you've grabbed a child that was in danger getting run over
or something, After you grabbed the child, put the child in you know,
safety, and you're walking away, what are you thinking about? I
have like no thoughts at all, And then I like have a freak out
afterwards, usually where I'm like scared, and then all the lenolin happens.
Like one the parent was right there, but like the child was in one
of those little pushy cars, you know. So the parent was behind and
couldn't act fast enough, and the kid just hopped off of the pushy car
and literally bolted ran into the street, and I heard the shout, which
was not from the parents. Parent didn't even know couldn't act fast enough.
But I was right there and present so and I feel bad because I'm a
mom. I have kids too. I had to grab them by the arm,
which you know, I would not want to put my hands on someone
else's child, so it's uh, but I was just led to do that,
and then the car drove right past, and then I just placed them
back with the parents. But then I have like an adrenaline rush afterwards.
What happens, I get shaky, I shake, you know, and just
kind of shake it out. Okay, that's interesting. When I have they
usually don't even know what like that. Sometimes they'll say thank you, but
sometimes too they're just like staring wide eyed and don't even know what to do.
They're always toddlers. It's like two to four years old, right,
yeah, okay, huh. And it's just because I'm in that location at
that specific time. You know, I don't think that, right, I
don't. I don't think that would be a coincidence. Right, It's that
lighthouse thing I was talking about. It's the perimeter. Yeah sure, right.
So you agree then that you perhaps would get led to a place where
or a situation where your actions would save a life. Sure. I feel
like that is a capacity thing which I've talked a lot with my teacher about
so some certain people will have capacity for certain work. Okay, so like
you just have an ability, right, Not everybody can do everything. We
can all do different things, like you said earlier, Right, everybody has
a different gift. And I feel like if someone has a capacity, a
lot of times they'll be placed in a perimeter where that capacity will be used
because Spirit loves things to be used according to their purpose. Spirit doesn't like
things to go to waste. So if you, for example, spend a
lot of time developing yourself for capacity, Spirit wants to see that fulfilled or
potentiated. So it's gonna try to place you where you can realize a fulfillment
of your potential capacity. How much of our life does Spirit control or direct
or intrude upon? This is a very good question, right, This is
the free will dilemma, isn't it? Yes? Right? I do feel
like we are guided and directed, but not forced. Maybe some people would
disagree. Right, Certainly I have felt it and rebelled against it, because
when you see that Spirit is guiding your ego, will have like a little
like, well who am I like? Where do I get to choose?
Why am I? Why me right? Is of course that classic complaints that
so many people have, and then they want to choose something else, but
they keep getting led like Jonah and the whale right back to the same day.
So the spirits spirits actually control us and make us learning. I think
it's redirecting. I wouldn't use the word control, however it wants you.
I was shown and very much in astrology and much of the divination that I
do, people do have like a specific thing that Spirit has created for them.
Yes, we can make our own choices and go do stuff that we
think we want or that we should do, although I would argue a lot
of that gets implanted by culture, and I don't know how much really is
people's true desire. But they think that's what they should be doing because they've
been fed it right or influenced, and then Spirit has laid a thing that's
like, look, here's look what I gave you, Okay, your birthright,
your inheritance, and could you just like do it this way? So
I do feel like you'll keep getting redirected, but I don't know about control
or force. We get to keep making choices away from it, but I
don't know, I do see that I get constantly redirected as I fall off
the path, right, So I wouldn't say I'm controlled like a robot,
but I would say that Spirit redirects is how I would best say it.
And then when you can surrender, you can do Spirit's will through you,
which is like a big relinquishing of your free will seemingly but maybe not that
bad. Okay, all right, that's that's interesting. I never quite thought
of it like that. Do you feel Spirit has control or do you feel
like you choose? I believe that we have free choice and free will all
the time. Yeah, And and I believe the purpose of our life is
to experience. M hmm, that's it. Okay, So, and and
we have free choice and free will to experience anything we want. The rule
with that doll is what we do one way, we got to do the
opposite, right right, Okay, It's got to balance out because you can't
have like a one sided line. So what you do one way, you
must do either polarity absolutely, Okay. So so that that that's how I
see things, and I think that we we we have a free choice.
Well, let me ask you this. Have you found that there's things that
you circle back to repeatedly, even in your free choices. So say you
are, and I agree, we do have that free will. I think
that's correct. Okay. So you found in your life that there are things
where that keep like free apparent absolutely absolutely. And what I've discovered is opten
me personally, is a direct result of the developmental trauma that I experienced at
a young okay. And and it's it's those uh patterns in my brain.
And when I become aware of the pattern, then I can make it different.
Okay, Okay. And that's the type of work I do with people
and with my stuff too, That's how I do it. Yeah, I
definitely agree, and things will keep circling back until they get that absolutely absolutely.
And and another way to think of it is what we do one way,
we have to do equally the opposite and every other possibility in between.
And and that's another way to the universal law. The opposite are real in
physical reality. So it's just every every atom is going to have protons and
electronics. You can't change the physical structure of reality. And I do feel
like as humans under natural law, we have no choice but to engage with
the physical reality, just like we have to eat, we got a poop,
we got the opposite, isn't it very much? Yes? And and
that's that's that's how I see things and pretty simple, you know, Yeah,
so I do. So you would think that the recircling then, or
maybe if there is something God keeps bringing back, would be predominantly for the
purpose of healing. Right up until this very moment, I would have considered
that, yes, it would be for the purpose of healing. But based
on my beliefs, you know, what we do one way, we must
do equally the opposite. So if if we're going to do based on healing,
then it would be something different. It could be based on it's trying
to fulfill that opposition because you had a detriment. So now you must absolutely,
absolutely right, that's right, okay, And we have to experience.
And I also believe in being manifesting as well. Uh huh. We have
free sure, we can create things, we have that power to creation.
Well, my belief is that if you can, if you believe it,
you can do it. So the only thing that prevents you from flying is
because you don't believe you can't. And if you absolutely if you did believe
you could, you can't. So the only reason we can't walk through a
wall is because we don't believe we can, right And and and what I
do with my clients is all get them to visualize something they can believe.
And I'll explain, you know, don't set a goal to what you think
you want or what you think you can do, because that's been influenced,
right, So it's really most of it. And something my teacher, doctor
Calvin de Wolfe, talks about and what he does is try to remove all
the paradigms completely off of people's mental structure. Right. So we're all kind
of trapped in the mental box. So in order to you can't do that
from within the box. That's boxing it. Right. So part of the
dilemma, which I think is what you're talking about with your clients, is
how are you going to enable someone to expand past a belief system while they're
within the belief system. So what I do, yeah, show them or
or or convince them to set a goal that's believable to them, right,
right, and once doot Hans says as well, right, set a goal
that you know you can accomplish and when and you accomplish that, then you
can stretch that goal to higher I do. I'm so sagittarious I do.
I go big, right, So I try to show them a miracle and
then bust out them completely. But you go step by step. That's probably
more integratable, right. So I like to show them impossible things that then
they can't stay in their bodles. Okay, you know it's just gonna poof
it away so that they can move past it, right. So, but
then I reach limits. I am a creator as well, and I believe
in the power of creation, but then I also see where we're limited and
what those boundaries are in terms of seeing like Creator for example. So I'll
bounce it off of like what Creator makes with like you know, nature and
sea, Like can I how far can I push it? What can I
make go? And then push it against what the reality exhibits, past what
I think is possible, but then looking at what is there and see where
my creative limits really truly lie, and then how to push past those,
but to see what has been created already by some other thing whatever it is,
right, So that'll kind of make that game or push pull, right.
Yeah, So I also believe that anyone can do miracles, and you
can do a miracle. If you believe you can do it, you can
do it. But would you say if you don't believe it, it won't
happen. If you're trying to do a miracle. Yes, that's right,
and you're that's right. That's right, and you have to and and you
can't start off with walking on water. That's the gold medal round. When
you do that miracle, you know, you stand on the podium, they
put a crown on your head and they play your national anthem. Right,
that's what you get for that one. So what I'll focus on is think
about getting a parking space. Yeah, achievable goals, achievable goals, and
practice them and practice in practice, and then eventually you'll almost always find a
parking space. And then you can take it from there and expand it more.
But you have to you have Well, I will offer that one of
the things I experienced was experiencing miracles I did not believe in and did not
think possible. So I feel like I had seen things happen that I did.
It was and that's where I felt a bigger thing that was beyond my
participation that was impossible and happened nonetheless. So I'll say two things. I
do agree with you that for a person mostly to arm a miracle, you
have to believe you can. But I would say I have experienced miracles when
there was no belief present at all that happened. Well, may I also
suggest to you that it wasn't in your conscious mind, but absolutely, but
that was there for you. Agree. I agree, there's a lot we
don't know that's happening behind the scenes, right, that's right, true,
true. I've definitely and had that happened with multiple people. So part of
what I'll keep me going is like, I'll have it happen with others as
well, so I'll be like, you know, because then you reach this
point where you're like, am I crazy? Is this delusional? Everybody I
think will have that happened a little bit, especially if you're practicing this stuff.
But for me, what has helped is they'll get like witnesses or other
people that are seeing that that, well, my god, that was impossible.
I can't believe that just happened or something, And then they'll have like
witnesses you can see, and then they all expand as well in that moment,
which for practitioners like yourself, you get to share that with the client
when it happens. Yeah, right right right, and and and I and
and that's how I do my stuff too. Yeah, that's how I be
Sharing it with others is powerful? Yeah, certainly, yes, Yes,
what a fascinating conversation. You know, we could I think we could talk
about stuff for hours and hours and hours and hours and not get board.
Perhaps just both because we're both Canadians. Maybe that's so good, so good.
So so, how do people get in touch with you for your services
and therapies teaching things like that? And how do people get in touch with
you? Oh? Sure, I'm on which of the Dawn dot com?
And my email is Maja at god is my boyfriend dot com? Do you
have like a conversation with your boyfriend often or does he speak with daily?
Yes? Even when I sleep sometimes. Really so, do you feel that
that brings up protection to you? Well, I feel like I had to
let go of all the protection ideas. I think being vulnerable and accepting that
the lack of protection gives you more strength than trying to Because you know,
I've come into spirituality and there's a lot of people who do things to try
to get protection or save themselves or you know, fortify. Spirit showed me
this is actually a me. I won't say it's bad, but not for
me. So when you fortify and make yourself safe, you're also like trapped
in a prison a little bit. So Spirit has encouraged me to not seek
protection but to be open. All right. Well, so I wouldn't say
that I seek protection from spirit because Spirit encourages me. It's not like I
go do super dangerous things though, although sometimes, but you know, I
don't want to. I want to be here as long as I can.
So I'm definitely not like reckless, but I wouldn't say I seek protection.
So we you know, I hear a lot of people talking about spirit and
spirituality and things like this, and then I go back to my way of
thinking. And my way of thinking is for every action, there is an
equal and opposite reaction. If there's good, there has to be bad.
And and and when I think about being spiritual, I've met many, many,
many, many spiritual people. And I have met some spiritual people that
are kind and loving and beautiful, and I have met some spiritual people that
are evil and and worship the Black Arts. They are spiritual, nonetheless agree.
And so when everyone's talking about, oh, I'm spiritual, I think
you've got to be careful and identify what kind of spiritual you are, because
just saying spiritual, well, some people use that as a title. I
agree, it's a it's a big problem. And even using certain words like
god or how to describe it is I mean, it's in ineffable. But
there's so many types of practice, me definition, and then and then there
are other people that use spirituality, Oh that person isn't spiritual because well,
we don't have that awareness to make those judgments, I think, right,
I think we should look in the mirror first. I think that using spirit
as a weapon, that's weaponized spirituality. Isn't it to try to create a
plant where these saints and criminals? Right? I don't. I don't subscribe
to that either. And I feel like spirit is like water. Anyone that
goes in it is going to get wet. So it's not actually, to
most people's surprise, it isn't dependent on your moral character, and the spirit
is spirit. It doesn't matter who you are. And that's a big pill
to swallow for a lot of people. So defining your spirituality, which can
take all of those polarities, as you stated, which are real, is
important. I think you can feel it off most people. But certainly a
lot of people seem to get duped by thinking what they think is spirituality and
then they surprise the person is not that thing they thought it was. And
what we believe can be different than what is real. Yes, so we
could think that the purpose to be on this planet is to learn love.
But if that's the case, then there's another planet it's purposes to experience hate,
yes, and that would be throughout the universe. And and as we
evolve, we don't eliminate negative in our life. What what we do is
we expand and stay balanced. Integration, yeah, and equalization. I do
one hundred percent that reality of the polarity and neutralizing oppositional forces is really where
I like to come at and see that middle point where the two can come
into some kind of marriage with each other too. But you to think really
that you're going to eliminate negativity. This is not a physical reality in our
world. So I don't think that's healthy or good for people. They have
to be able to either do the opposite thing and neutralize it as you state,
which is a natural thing that will occur or you're going to have to
expand in order to be more inclusive of that end and then neutralize it right
right. Yeah, So let's go over one more time how people can find
you, because we did that closing stuff and then we kept going so so
so yea, So how is it that people can find you? And what
are they going to get when they find Drew much of the Dawn dot com.
It does have my email and that's the Dawn Dawn Dawn like the Rising
Sun. There's a lot of free lectures that I have through my YouTube link.
There's links to my books. If they don't want to book a session
and they're just want to find out more information. I give a lot of
free data both in my lectures and then podcast such as this one, where
we can share information with people. That's a lot of fun. Uh,
thank you so much. It's been a wonderful talk and I appreciate you so
so very much. Thank you. Oh likewise, likewise, thank you so
much. Wow, what a fabulous talk we had tonight, Majado, Thank
you so much. I learned so much from you and one of the most
important things that I've No matter what side we're coming from, no matter what
our beliefs are, when it comes down to it, we all do pretty
much the same thing. Well, what a fascinating talk, Thank you very
much. Just before I go, though, I have a couple more requests.
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