Well, hello, we did it. It's been ten years. Actually,
I'm starting off by admitting that i'm telling a little, tiny white lie,
and that is it's tomorrow is my tenth anniversary, but I'm celebrating a day
early better than six days late. So yep, tomorrow, ten years ago.
The only one that answered my emails was Stephen Bassett to begin with,
so he'll be joining us at some point to say hi. And tomorrow I'm
going to be released episode number one on YouTube and I will put a link
in the show notes. And that is the very first episode that I did,
and that's with Stephen Bassett, and you know, it could be a
little bit better, but it was okay. For the first episode, I
gotta admit that it wasn't too bad. So I'm not going to spend a
lot of time because we have over forty guests and some extra people that are
has decided they wanted to come in and say hi too as well. And
that's over the two hours span, but we're going to go longer. After
the time ends at eight o'clock Eastern time, I think I'm going to extend
the show, just keep going until it kind of peters out a little bit,
so we have a number of people. Hopefully we'll be hanging in toward
that time. So the blog this week is called UFOs over with Ville,
Virginia by Charles Lee are a really great blog, very interesting, fascinating case
and how this guy was kind of tortured just for having a UFO sighting and
talking about it my guests. First I have he was my stationary guest for
the whole show, and then I decided to do this anniversary show, started
contacting people and lou runs a great podcast show. Welcome Lou Hey, thanks
for having me here, Martin. It's an absolute honor and pleasure. Yeah,
my stationary guest tonight. And so the celebrity review Unidentified Celebrity, Unidentified
Celebrity Review. I know it's a terrible name, and you've done a lot
of stuff. Luckily I was as Steve Bassett, I was your first guest.
I was honored to be that. And you've done a lot to the
community. Thanks. Yeah, and your your phone home, your phone what
was that called the phone home, the big phone home? That very well.
Now I want to bring Bill in because Bill, of course helps out
a lot, has helped out a lot, and Bill, thank you so
much for all the work you've done in these several years. Good evening,
gentleman, and I got to say one and it's been an honor. And
also meeting you at Pine Bush you and Donna Um a couple of months ago.
It is an honor to know you a friend. Congratulations so on behalf
of everyone at KGr right, and I'm sure all those that are listening tuning
in right now we a toast to you and for many more years of doing
podcast UFO UM continued success and the great people you've had on this show and
looking forward to working with you in the future. Martin, So toast to
you out of my sippy cup. Now, by the way, this is
cranberry juice. Yeah, that's what Bill. Anyway, guys, have a
great show, Martin, great consulations. Okay, So we have a couple
of people we have in the background right here. Now we have a class
Vaughn from Sweden and it's like midnight there. Thank you so much for joining
us. And you know, Martin, it is tomorrow in Sweden, so
I'm traveling. Yes, counts excellent. So hey, so thank you so
much. Class. I thought of you as one of the people I had
early on the show, and I appreciate your good work that you do.
So let's see someone is saying they're in, but I don't see them.
M okay, but I'm still going to bring in Kevin Randall. Hi,
Kevin, welcome. I congratulations on your tenth anniversary. Thank you, thank
you. It's been it's been a real pleasure. I've I've had nothing but
fun doing this. I didn't know how it was going to turn out.
You know, when I first started, I thought, well, maybe everyone's
going to be you know, the tinfoil hatters or whatever, and then I
started discovering that these are really intelligent people. What is this saying? Incredible
incredible things seen by credible witnesses. But also there's a lot of people in
this field that have never seen a UFO ever, but they still know there's
something going on and take it serious and have done some great work. It's
been a real pleasure. So class, just real quickly, you're you're super
busy. Why don't you just talk quickly about that. What you've been up
to? Well, I don't know the Corona situation here in Sweden's in all
of the world. Have made the talks zoom like it's not nice at all.
But now I can travel again, and I've been busy traveling to several
cities here in Sweden giving talks with full audiences and that is great. Lots
of people asking questions about UFOs and of course about what's happening in America.
Everybody is curious about the American government and the Congress and you know that stuff.
I've also been busy today. A couple of hours ago, I've been
filming in the south of Sweden for a show a film, a feature film,
i should say, which will be aired next year, and that it's
called UFO Sweden is the name of the film, and the main character is
named after me, which is very nice of course. So yeah, I'm
doing a cameo appearance in that movie. Oh really wow, kind of like
ja Yeah, you could say, I'm not kinick. Yeah. Well you
can see behind class for those who you watching this on video, there's there's
books and things, and you have one of the largest archives in the entire
world on UFO material. Right. Absolutely. I will travel to the US
in March to a Rice University and attend a conference called Our Character of the
Impossible. And now we give a talk about AFU or case for the unexplained,
which is we think the largest or case when it comes to things like
this unexplained psyches. So I'm very busy with that. I work with that
every day, every single the year around and it's fifteen localities right now and
right now, just a couple of hours ago, I managed to clear a
transport from Toronto in Canada a couple of palettes with you for material which will
be arriving in Sweden in four or five weeks. I think, wow,
well, I wonder how that stuff gets through customs. That must be very
interesting. It is interesting. Well, that's great. And one of the
things I liked about talking to you in the very beginning is they take that
subject serious. Over there. There's hasn't been the ridicule factor that there is
in other places in the world. No, that's right Moting, And it
seems that it is strange, maybe from an American point of view, but
we have been working so many years together with the authorities, not against them,
trying to get help from them instead of making them as antagonists. So
now we can get the radar returns from the military that nobody else in the
world can get from their military. We can discuss things with them. We
are helping each other and this has made I think our reputation within both the
military and the academic society much better than in other countries. Excellent, excellent,
Well, thank you so much for coming on. You can hang out
for a while if you want. I know it's you know, it's after
midnight, as I say, and I want to find out Kevin, what
have you been up to. Well, I was impressed with all the work
he's doing. I've been trying to get the three books done. I got
a call or an email from a publisher that wanted to republish the Project moond
Ust book, and I said, no, we can't do that. It
needs to be horribly updated, because I think it was Brad Sparks had suggested
there was no Project Moondust, and I thought, well, everybody knows there
was a Project moond Us, and I began looking at it and there,
yes, thank you cos. And I think what we've determined is there was
no actual Project Moondust. It was the code name of the uf ohone investigations
that would be being conducted by various people. So you might be a military
officer and there would be a uf ohone investigation and it would come under the
auspices. You'd use the code name Moondust on it. You'd be the Moondust
project officer for that specific huvage. So I updated it to reflect that information
and make it clear that yes, Moondust existed in one format, but it
wasn't quite what we thought it was. I did a book just handed in
one project on level land, which were the sightings in Texas in nineteen fifty
seven where the UFO interacted with the environment stalled car engines. I think witnesses
at least thirteen separate locations independently reported the same sort of phenomena with the car
engines, and I discovered that not only was the sheriff involved in that the
project book investigation suggested that he had gotten no closer than nine hundred yards or
the thing, but I found evidence that not only did he get closer,
but his car was stalled as well. And so that kind of updates and
brings it into a cleverer picture. I think that if we had spent time
in nineteen fifty seven investigating that case in the United States rather than Nightcap,
the Non Keyhole Organization arguing with the Air Force about how many witnesses there were
and actually investigated the siding at the time. We'd be having a whole bunch
of different conversations there, and I'm finishing up a book called Understanding Roswell so
that we can bring all of that into sharper focus. I think I think
Kevin Barry Greenwood was working he was on this show. He was working on
that right on what I'm sorry, on Project moon Dust, he did some
work on it. Yes, Yes, he and Brad Sparks were great helps
in doing the research, as were a number of other people of suggesting things
and helping me kind of focus where we were going. But the Project Moondust
book is it'll be out in March, and it's updated and brings it more
in line with what was actually going on and better I guess understanding of what
that was all about, and how this was kind of varied for years and
years and years nobody talking about it. I actually found four reports and the
Project Bluebook file stamped Moondust, and had we had access to Project Moondust files
earlier, I've moon Dust the Project Bluebook files earlier, we would have known
more about that. I now have a complete copy of the Project Bluebook files
digitalized. I've also got all the microfilms from the original Project Bluebook, so
I've got a complete archive of the Project Bluebook materials. Kevin, is there
anything that you can confirm from like what was the most exotic material that was
collected by Project Moondust. There was a number of cases the Air Force,
of course, and people would say, well, Moondust was never deployed,
it was never activated. We've got a number of cases where it was.
I think there was a case in Bolivia that Antonio veneris. I've done a
lot of work on it, and I think that's a very interesting case,
and it suggests that there were a number of civilians from the United States,
possibly CIA, deployed into the area to kind of look look at that.
I think that's a very interesting case. But we get very little, unlike
I think class was saying, we get very little assistance from our military on
this. They will deny things. We had the big report in June.
I always pointed out it was on June twenty fifth, at the same date
of the Customer massacre, another great disaster. The report was virtually a ninth
grade science report, which wasn't very good, but they said, well,
we will have another UM report out in ninety days, which would have been
September twenty fifth, And of course that report never surfaced. And now we're
learning through John Greenwald and the Black Vault that they're classifying all this material,
which means it's exempt from disclosure. So our government is working to keep the
information very where classes government is apparently working to assist in the investigations. Wow.
Interesting, just one, just one minute. Here we have let's see,
we have Dave Altman. Dave, how are you? Hey, Hey,
how's it going? Martin? Happy anniversary? Thank you, thanks,
thanks for calling in and go ahead. Yeah, no, no, I
just want to thank you for you have done. You have done a lot
for the show over the years. You've you've monitored chat, which needs it
sometimes, but you've also connected a few really good guests, so I really
appreciate that. Anytime. I'm glad I could help. Yeah, excellent.
Well, well thanks for the calling. You can hang out for a while.
We've got we've got someone else new. I'm just gonna say hi too.
All right. Actually, I'm gonna get back to the chat and keep
the moderating going. All right. I appreciate that, Dave, take care
and hopefully ten ten more anyway, Hey, thank you, thank you.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind doing ten more years. It's been it's been a
blast, and one of the great things is meeting this fellow right here.
Uh, Dean, how are you alright? I'm sorry that I was late.
I thought this was a coast to coast thing. So yeah, that's
priority. So but hey, you know it's okay. Oh you know what
I got? Oh Martin Martin? What happened to Martin? We lost Martin?
Well, if anybody hosts a radio show, oh wait, I do
for many of those you already back. Never mind, No, I've got
other people on this and oh there it goes okay. So I've got Mac
Maloney. Hi, Mac, Welcome Mac. I see her there. And
look we have Chase Klutzky. How are you Chase? Can you hear me?
Chase? Uh? Is anyone hearing me? I see that. It
doesn't seem like Chase. Here's me, Chase, do you hear me?
She she's looking, but she seems kind of content with what's going on.
She's very happy, which is I always love to see her smile. Yeah,
Chase. Can you hear me? Mac maloney, can you hear me?
There? You are so happy to see Dean like I haven't seen name
since the last International UFO conference. So hey Dean, Hey, sorry,
we need to dump everyone. It's just chasing. You need a minute,
We'll get a get a room you guys. Lauren, Yeah, you look
wonderful as always. And I literally have to say that there's only one thing
better than your ten year anniversary for your show, and that is we have
been friends for a decade and you know, I ignore you. You're one
of my favorite podcasts. Um. I always feel so honored to be with
you, so, you know, just congratulations. Well that's that's extremely kind
of you. Yeah, we've had you were on the show very early on,
right, yes, within the first fact, I think that in your
intro, there's part of the our interview that you use in that intro and
that is oh my god, I think that's a freaking triangle. Yeah that
was you. Yep, Hey, we got we've got Steve Bassett, but
it's cameras all mess up now. Steve was my number one first. He's
the only one to answer my emails. I didn't know of you Chase.
I didn't know of any of you, any of you people. Matter of
fact, I didn't email any of you, nothing against any of you,
but I was looking up freshly into the UFO topic. Again. Tomorrow,
I'm going to play the very first episode that I did, Ness Bassett and
Steve Welcome, Welcome, Am I am I on your skull there, I
am hi Hi. Yeah, yeah, you were the very first guest ten
years ago tomorrow, that's when it was Yes, Martin, and obviously you
deserved tremendous credit for picking up the gauntlet and charging forward for ten years.
Not everybody did that, but you're one of many people that have come to
me and said, look, I saw you way back, or I went
to an ex conference or something and got me into this issue. Not that
this issue needs a lot of a lot of boost to get involved. I
mean, it's the most interesting thing in the world. But you are.
You are now part of the great podcast era, and I think that this
kind of citizen journalism is going to have a lot of the impact in many
ways and is certainly going to be a factor in the post disposure world.
And at ten years they teach you the secret UFO handshake, so you have
that coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I rarely use it. But
what just just one second, Mac maloney, can you hear me? Mac?
I'm terribly sorry. I know you try to make the effort, and
I know you have to go live on your show coming right up, So
thank you for trying. And unfortunately I'm going to have to We have some
people that are trying to get in the studio, so I have to I
have to boot him away. And as I said, more people want to
come in and uh and Chase was having trouble with her internet. She was
warned me of that, so I had to boot her out too, unfortunately,
but it was good to hear from her. So so look at this.
We have all these people here from all over. We have class still
hanging in from Sweden and all. Where are you these days, Stephen?
I am right now in West Hollywood, two blocks from the orphanage where Marilyn
Monroe grew up or partially grew up, whatever that, whatever value that has.
By the way, I want to say a load of Kevin. Want
to say a load of Kevin. I haven't talked to him in a long
time. Goes are going, all right, I'm still here man, and
it's getting more fun every year. So I'm splitting my time between Washington,
DC and Hollywood, and I do have some announcements coming up early soon.
I'll be just about the last person I know who doesn't have an announcement.
Everybody else's gout stuff happening. Jimmy Church has had three documentaries released in our
last two months. Hey, it's really hard to keep up, and I'm
not getting any younger. Yeah. Well, I was watching something night and
you popped up, but I can't even remember what it was. It was
late at night and I was just cruising the channels on UFO of videos,
and there's Stephen Bassett. Well, I hope I was fully clothed. That's
all that time you were. Yes, that was kind of my thought too,
that if it's late at night, you cruising the channels, it may
not be the most oh lifting place to be. Yeah, that's true.
That's true. Hey, Dean, can you talk about anything that you are
up to nowadays? I didn't think so, but I'll talk about I'll talk
about UFOs and aliens because I think that's kind of interesting to some people.
Um, So I've been working on I've always been kind of interested in the
UFO alien phenomenon, going back to um in search of since I was a
kid, and then I had made a film that kind of became this crossover
cult thing, which was the first come footage film, but also it was
a UFO duction that I made an eighty nine. And so Alejandro, mister
Gateway Drug pulled me in happy Speak at the convention and where I met Stephen
Bassett and you pulled me in from my first one of my first podcast.
I believe Martin, you were gentle and kind and I've always appreciated that that
time. Yeah, that was that time. Yeah, I used to note
that and then um yeah. And so going to the convention and everything,
I as a as a filmmaker and a documentary filmmaker, I got to thinking
that that there's you know, something here that I wanted to look at,
and I wanted to look at it from a different perspective that I hadn't seen
before, different point of view. And so unfortunately that's where that's that's where
it gets you, and that's where the two ropes went around my legs and
yanked me into the rabbit hole. So the past four years I've been working
on a three part limited doc series, which as of yesterday is uh is
done and so um I will be um going out and hooking up with sellers
and everything and the usual gang of where we're going to be going with it.
But I'm very happy with it, um and um, you know all
the people that I've met at you know, at the conventions and stuff and
also through your show where I would poach many of people and ald show.
Yeah, I'm still waiting for that. Yeah, that's coming, don't worry,
just coming. And uh so uh yeah, so after four years,
I'm kind of getting a little bit out of UFO Alien jail as a filmmaker,
but as you know, it never really leaves you. So um,
but I'm really excited to share that. And uh, you know, it's
been great because it's a really strong, you know, community of filmmakers as
well. I consulted on James Fox's The Phenomenon and got to hang with that,
Jeremy Carbell and and there's a few of us. There's actually more of
a few of us, and there's other voices coming in, which is great.
Um. I'm hoping that it would be more female directors because we need
that as well. And so distinctive voices. So anyway, that's what I've
been working at and the adrenaline that I've been on for the past four years,
and you guys have been on much longer than me. Kevin. One
of the first early books that I read that I quit opinion. I was
like, Okay, now there's something here that I really have to play a
close attention to was UFO Crash at Roswell. So it's it's great to meet
all your people and be able to to um, you know, kind of
navigate in this fantastic, wondrous world and realize how little I actually know about
everything, which is what they happened into the pipe product of being in this
space. Yeah, I wanted to thank you for mentioning my blog a different
perspective when you said you came into it from a different perspective. So I
appreciate it. That nicely done, Kevin. That was that was really smooth.
By the way, Kevin, your blog really has helped me a lot
over all these ten years, because a lot of times I'll start to look
into something and I'll have that I got feeling that there may be an issue
with a certain case, and sure enough I find it on your blog and
you explain, you know, usually the problems with some of these things,
So go ahead throw it out there so the person looking the new person looking
into this subject does not get let us straight. Well, the blog is
at www dot Kevin randalldob blogspot dot com. It's called a Different Perspective and
I think if you type a different Perspective into into Google, it comes up
fairly certain. And I've looked at an awful lot of things through the UFO
cases, a lot of UFO cases, but I also dealt a little bit
into some of the very treasure stories that they were broadcasting on TV and who
was able to talk to some of the people who were on those shows,
and we're telling me how it was all scripted and it wasn't really a search
for the treasure, and I thought, this is great stuff. They're going
to be invited back to be on the show next season because of what they
were telling me. So now mainly deals with UFOs. I haven't gotten away
from that too much in the recent past. Well, um, I really
enjoyed your interview with Michael Horne about the Billy Meyer case, and my goodness,
you treated you treated him pretty well. For for that and um,
you know, and you know, I don't want to talk anyone down on
the show. I don't really like to do that. But um, you
know Billy Meyer's images. If people are new looking into this subject, they're
going to think there's you know, that's all real stuff, and you know
it's it's not so. Um And Michael Horne is his representative in the United
States and and backs him up with all the gusto you can imagine. Well,
I think gusts the kind of the wrong word to use, because he
gets very nasty. He did get a little bit and I think you did
spark a little bit of anger during the interview, but you held on.
You did a good job. That was good. Well, the only I
only eve've done one interview where I've really gone after the guest, and it
was because he had been he had written a book and said that I was
a shill for the Air Force. They had been on Rob McConnell's excellent show
and was saying the same thing. So I invited him on my show and
I was, well, who told you I was a shill for the Air
Force? Well, I can't tell you that. Well, what's his name?
I mean, you're you're accusing me of this, You've got to have
some evidence. And he finally ended up saying no comment, no comment,
and I would keep asking him questions, you no comment, and then he
finally hung up on me, and I thought, this is great. That's
exactly what I wanted to happen, was him to get so angry and hang
up. Yeah, yeah, Kevin, I should say that I very much
appreciate what you're writing, and two very much level had the blokes that I
read and that this doctor David Clark and your bloke, Well, I can
I can go back and say the same thing to you because I looked for
when I'm doing something that deals with Sweden or the ghost Rockets or something like
that, I always look for what you've written and what you've produced on it
because I figure it's the best information available at the time. So I appreciate
the great work you've done there in Sweden. Thanks. And we also keep
cut a lot of Billy Mayer material in a FU. We have the louts
of Mendel Stevens, Billy Mayer material, and a lot of original stuff from
Billy Mayer. I'll tell you a few so you have a multimpressed by it,
I should say. Yeah. So I kind of backed into the Billy
Meyer stuff by mistake because mouf On was having one of those imposiums and they're
inviting all these people, these people strange stories to be there, and Michael
Hornet said something about Billy Meyer not being invited. Nice, Well, if
you're going to look at this stuff and you want everybody to make up their
own mind, why haven't you invited Billy Meyer? And then I also said,
but please don't understand I don't accept the Billy or stuff. And then
Michael Horne went nuts, and I said my comment was very benign that I'd
said, you know, I just don't have subscribe to the Billy Horne stuff
and said, well, Lewin, let me clarify my point of view.
I think it's a complete total hope. He really went. So I went.
After I had made my film called You, a production announced called the
McPherson Tape. I got a call from the producer who knewed me from this
Fox show called Encounters, and he said, I have this footage and he
started describing the footage and not even seeing it, but just describe it.
Later on I saw some of it and he said, you know, it's
it's about this autopsy from Roswell And I said, I'm telling you right now,
this is bullshit and he said he said, it probably is, but
I'm going to make a lot of money at it. So everything kind of
comes back to that. I think I'm the only a filmmaker who debunks their
own movies. Um, there's you know, there's I want to call Unexpected
the Unexpected. It's a UK podcaster, um, and he's great, has
a great voice, and he was trying to tell me that your mission is
to go out and debunk And for me, I kind of look at it
this way. Um, I go to comic con and stuff, and I
look at the fans and and you can get frustrated, certainly with the way
that some of the people are kind of leading them into into the strange and
things that have no basis in reality, but they're also really enjoying it.
So it's kind of like not cosplay, but it's kind of like that.
So you kind of have to straddle where yes, it's fascinating, it's it's
fun, it's interesting, but then there's the section of us that are trying
to actually disseminate something and get to anything that's resembling a truth, or to
just do research and track down commonalities. And so I think maybe there's a
place where everyone, you know, a spectrum, if you will, Um,
you know, myers and stuff you know has its place on one end
of the spectrum, and and everything without throwing my hat into the controversy,
but yeah, I mean it's tough because I mean, as a filmmaker,
I can see when it's fake, when something's coming out, it's pretty evident,
and so um, you know, no one wants to be mister Kiljoy.
But at the end of you know, if someone's asking me, I
have no problem telling them as I'm sure you guys do. But you know,
it's it's it attracts everything. It's it's kind of a microcosm of society,
if you will. Right, we have a new person. And I'm
going to put Kathleen Marden up in just one second, but yours, your
story, Dean, is so funny because you made this, this movie of
an abduction and a family involved in everything. And then when you're telling people
out there this was my film. It wasn't a lost you know, I
mean a found footage thing. This is my film. I made it,
and people don't believe you. They're saying, no, I know that family.
I mean, it's a crazy thing. It's I've been a was of
working for the government and a couple of times and I don't unfortunately don't have
the paycheck stubs to prove it. But um, yeah, you kind of
get you know, thrown into that and it's humorous and I you know,
I don't take myself serious. I take my work serious. And I sense
that the nicest people that I met have actually been in this community. They're
you know, they're smart, clever and funny and affable. No one is
so rigid that things are breaking the people that are like, you know you
guys and everything. So it's you know, that was one of the things
that I learned once I started working within you. Well, Dean, you
know that you've made it in the UFO community when you're accused of being a
government agent. Yeah, that's right. That hasn't happened yet, is it
Okay? I asked you a question real quick. Yeah, yeah, I
just have to say this. Um, we're giving me someone who's been in
a while, is going to have other people trying to get in if someone
could drop out. I've got things I've got to do. Gratulations on your
I Niver, congratulations on your tenth anniversary. And uh, I'll be listening
to more of your shows and hitting you up for guests periodically. You got
yes always always, Kevin, take care. Thank you. All right,
I should go soon as well, and I say hi to Kathlene and Jennifer.
Nice to see you. Well. I can stay for another one minute
or two, then I must go sure tomorrow, Thank you very much.
Us So I just wanted Jennifer, I'll be talking to you just a second,
but I want to say, um hi to Kathleen. Kathleen, how
are you. I'm doing well, thank you, and congratulations on ten years.
Thank you. Kathleen. I think you were like my fifth guest.
You were very early on every Dan and the only reason you said who is
this guy? And but Stan said he's okay. So so anyway, that
was that was nice. I remember I went right to your house. Yes,
you've done to my father's home and reports to choose. That's right,
that's right. I was there for the summer, right right, So Kathy,
it's always it's always great to have you on the show. I've always
enjoyed when you've been on, and I just have to I have to bring
in one other guest here. We have a lot of people trying to get
in all at the same time. And let's see, we have someone calling
to wow. Um anyway, I just want to bring in quickly, Jennifer.
I'll get you in just a minute. But I want to say hi
to this guy because Scott. Let me put you up here. Scott,
let's see, I'm gonna get Scott was the very first listener. He you
contacted me on show number two. Yeah, Martin, like I instantaneously fell
in love with the show, like right off the bat, and like I
I've always loved your show, and I don't I've followed along, I've donated,
I've been a huge supporter and like to me, like when I found
you ten years ago, like totally blew my mind. And to be in
this chat right now with all these people is I don't even know what to
say. Well, hey, class um, we have John Greenhaw trying to
get in. Do you mind dropping out? I just not to just show
one picture before leaving the I would drop out for correct, Can I show
this. Yes, it's a nice picture my aunted her house. Yeah,
I took when I met her in the nineteen eighties. There is a little
better. She was so nice to meet and we spent the full day together
just with some stune shake and yeah, well it was a memory for life.
Thank you for show to you guys. Sound good luck with the rest
of thank you, thank you, thank you very much. All right,
all right, well Martin, can I ask can I mention something here?
I got a question if if Scotti was your first listener and he contacted you
on the second show, does that mean since I was the first show there
were zero listeners on that show. Oh that could be you know he's been
back and listened to the archive of one. Yeah, yeah, thank god
for archives. Thank you God. That's right, that's right. I do
want to say Ralph Blinfall, who was up earlier. Unfortunately I've tried it.
His camera wasn't on, so I didn't pull him in. But Ralph
wishes us all the best. Sorry, he couldn't. He was on for
a minute, but his camera wasn't wasn't there, But uh, look who's
here? Jennifer. I have not forgot you, but I'll get you're done.
Welcome to the show. Hey, how are you let me positioning the
screen better? There? Hey? How are you? Congratulations? Well,
thank you, John, You're very welcome. Good to see so many familiar
faces here. I know this is great, and I'm thank you for your
persistence trying to get in. I saw you were trying to get in and
couldn't. Oh, yeah, no problem. And I'm sorry if it notified
you every time. I just wanted to make sure you didn't think I forgot.
Yeah. Yeah, I know you're a busy guy. So and you've
done a lot. You've done a lot of great things, John, I
want to thank you for all you have done. And uh, you know,
I remember I asked Stan. I'm gonna give you some praise here because
I asked Stan Freeman. I told you this when I met you. I
said, who's the next Stan Freeman? And he said John Greenwell. Stan
said yeah, I mean I you know, I miss him, I miss
his research ability, friendship. I knew him more than twenty years, and
you know, going back to when I first started when I was fifteen with
the Black Vault. But then, you know, writing people, and Stan
was the only literally the only one at the time that I had written to
that wrote back and he sent me these documents. I just missed that.
You know, there's there's something about that man that is kind of absent in
this field today, you know. And you see social media and the way
that interaction has turned, and then you look at some of the older videos
of Stand debating some of the bigger skeptic names and debunkers and stuff like that,
and you see that although he would get heated from time to time,
he was a gentleman. I mean, he really was, and I truly
do miss him. Yes, yeah, I think we all miss him and
Kathy the most. Kathy was very very close. Kathy. It's uh when
I go into a conference and I don't see you sitting next to Stand,
it's kind of sad every time. It was such a wonderful thing to see
you two did so many conferences together, Yes we did, and you know
I miss that as well. My husband is going with me frequently now,
but I miss having Stand next to me. Yeah, there were quite a
few conferences. I got to sit next to both Kathy and Stand at the
conferences, and those were a lot of fun. When I have the table
right next to them. And had a lot of good good times. Yeah.
Yeah, So hey Scott, just real quick because I'm people trying to
get in and uh, what's that You do a podcast on beards? And
yeah, it's called See Your Whole Beard. By the way, Talking Talking
Beards is the show I do it, and in fact we tonight. It
starts at uh it's at eight pm Eastern Talking Beards. You can find your
completely gone talking oddly enough like you're and and I want to see this because
I it's been a while since you and I've talked, but you definitely really
pushed me to get into podcasting, like I was on the fence and like
just following your show and getting so into it and getting so excited every Thursday
morning when you used to release your shows, Like I'm like, all I
want to do is podcast, just like Martin, like your show really inspired
me to like get going. So it's been five years since we started the
show Talking Beards, and basically what our show is about is, I mean,
obviously I have a beard, but we cover all these different charity events
that go on all across the country every weekend, and we have different guests
on talking about different things that they're doing with the world of facial here like
and you know so but rolling it back though, I definitely want to thank
you very much for being a great inspiration and congratulations to you for ten years.
And I know you have so many more important guests than me that I
just I want to get out of here. But I want to thank you
so much for asking you to be on, and thank you Scott Martin.
You know where would I be without people like you listening to the show.
So I owe you a lot of gratitude. Thank you so much. Thank
you very much, Martin, and thank you everyone for tuning in tonight.
All right, thank you, take care. I remember Scott sent me a
picture of him and Stan Freeman together stand a Cyrus side. That was a
fun night. Yeah, all right, Scott, take care of all right,
Thanks Martin. All right, bye, all right, So let's see
we have Oh wait, I having spoken to Jennifer Steinn yet hanging there,
Jordan, Jennifer can have female directors filmmakers, yeah earlier, so, um,
you may want to someone's mike is feeding back here, so you may
want to try to if you can remember the mutual mikes and then um you
can see that, right, down on the down on the right. Okay,
so anyway, way, um, Jennifer uh Dean was talking earlier,
they're they're too bad. There's not more female filmmakers in it. And you
have on wings productions, right, Yes, that's right, Yes, done
a couple of productions. M one. Actually, you know, very close,
closely connected with Steve. I feel like this is the hall of fame
of uphology and you're right at the center of it, Martin. So congratulations,
and look at all your wonderful guests. You know, I think we
can look back on disclosure and say, if all of this weren't you know,
beating the table for a long time, like Steve and like you and
like Kathleen, and you know many other times. I know everyone here,
John, except I don't know Louise. So it's a pleasure to meet you,
Louise. Oh. Yes, he's actually helped him out. The pleasures
a mine. Yeah, theified celebrity review, that's that's Uh did I say
it right that time? You did? Yeah? I have a very tiny
show. It's very insignificant, but it's a lot of fun. It's not
I'll do it. And I also don't know Jordan is a Bonaparte. I'm
yeah, Jordan, Jordan has the nighttime podcast up in Nova Scotia. Welcome
to the show, Jordan, happy to be here, Happy to meet you.
Jennifer. Great to see American. Congratulations. But we'll get to that.
If you're still talking to Jennifer, that's that's great. You know,
there was the Travis film was part of that great tour that Chris Russet ran
across Canada, which I think started in Nova Scotia and then went to Fredericton
and then went to Toronto and uh and in Montreal and eventually ended up in
Vancouver. I don't know if you were part of that or if you were
on the UFO scene about five years ago, five or six years ago,
but it was really a great tour across Canada. Lovely now I do.
I do want to say to everyone that's on this show, if you have
somewhere to go, just speak up and then say say goodbye to us,
just so we you know, because I know a lot of people only have
a few minutes and so um if that happens, but you're welcome to hang
out. I'll let you know when someone probably should drop out because it'll it'll
let me know when someone's trying to get in. But we have Sam Moronto
just popped in. Oh talk to everyone. Jordan, let me just talk.
I didn't really talk to you, but anyway, Jennifer, thank you
and Jordan, so you're up. We met up at Shag Harbor. What
I'm going is that four years ago. Now. Time kind of flies in
a weird way since the pandemic began, so it was about one lifetime ago.
I would say, you came to Nova Scotia to we did a live
podcast thing from the Shag Harbor UFO Festival. So that's where we met in
person. But um, like many other viewers of your show here, you're
like an old friend of mine. You just didn't know it yet. I've
been listening and watching along with your show for ages before having the pleasure of
meeting you. But um, that's where we met. At Martin. I
want to start body's just saying congratulations on ten years. So many people will
will start this kind of venture and give up after that. Some don't even
make an episode. I'm just kind of make up and artwork, a Twitter
page and maybe a Patreon, but don't actually release anything. You've been ten
years going hard and regularly too. So that's that's an amazing achievement. You
You're truly a trailblazer, specifically in the UFO paranormal kind of space. So
I'm proud to call you a friend, and I'm proud to know that I'll
be here for your next ten years. So I congratulations. Well thanks so
much. I think sometimes I'm just probably not smart enough to quit. Maybe
that's well, it takes something. For some people, it's passion, for
some it's stupidity. You're probably somewhere in the middle. So yeah, that's
right. I'm lucky to have you. Regardless, I'm gonna take up.
But I do want to say that there was something that Martin did when the
pandemic hit which totally exemplifies who Martin is UM, and that is um.
Yeah, Wentz, it's a it's one of the good stories, not one
of the bads. Um. And so Martin said, I'm getting requests because
people are isolated to do more podcasts. Yeah, so I'm like so hammered
with all the work that I'm doing, you know, which you've You've talked
about it many time, and that takes out and it takes a lot where
you're flying, you're on the road, traveling, and you're like, but
I need I feel like I need to do this, And I said,
dude, I need my night Lousanics. No, I didn't say it.
I need your voice, which is like night Lusannics. Um to to you
know, to keep people going and keep us having something to to escape and
and to like delve into. And so thank you for meeting the challenge and
doing that. UM, I know it was greatly appreciated, and I look
forward. I'm really honored to be part of this fold as well, and
I look forward to another ten years as well. Thank you to now.
Alright, team, my friend, that was very kind of you. Take
care. We'll talk to you guys. All right, Sam, I'm going
to bring Sam Ranto. Welcome. Sam. I am privileged to be here
amongst all these wonderful people, some of whom considerate friends. And some of
you probably say, oh that damn, Sammy's here, what we're doing?
But I remember we go back some ways, don't we. Huh, Sam,
you you're one of the maybe the second year was doing this. Yes,
I was interested in Chicago. Um, the Tinley is it Tinley Park?
The Tinley park Case. Yes, yeah, that's a mass sighting.
That's very interesting, and that's how I think I found you. And you
were involved with mufon out there and all that at that time. Yes,
and we got to be friends for the years. Uh yep. We visited
a few times and oh yeah, and it cracks me up. I'm looking
at people, Harold Jennifer and Steve Bassett. I remember calling before a man
up at three o clock in the morning in Paris and he goes, Sam,
it's three o'clock am. I'm like, well, I'll call you later.
Oh gosh, and we'll always have Paris then, Yes, how about
it, mister Greenwell, my gosh, we've seen this guy come up.
That's what you were sixteen years old. Yeah, it's been a while decades
ago, let's not remember that. And we always had a good time.
We got to see each other at conferences, which is rare, but we
always have a good time. Yeah. I missed those, miss those days
when we saw each other much more often. Oh gosh, Yes, Jennifer,
thank you so much for being a part of so many things that we've
done together. Oh gosh, you got some monster names here, Jordan,
what a magnificent person saying such wonderful things about somebody who I truly, dearly
love that I consider a part of my family. Martin, ten more years
would be the least I'd love to see you when this keep on going forever.
I think I have a chicken sandwich sitting out here, so I am
going to listen to it. But I'm not going to take too much facial
space here and just keep going. Everybody, keep the spirit of anything,
the humidity. We are human, I think so much, as I always
say when I give presentations, the phenomena is more about us. It's who
we are, what we are, and why we are, and we can
never forget that. I think we need more than ever this time to be
a community that's very close and be proud of our human factor, and just
let's start getting people to act a little more human. Martin, thank you
so much, and God, thank you. Sam. All right, thanks
all very nice. Sam, Thank you Martin, Martin. I need to
go. I want to make a couple of quick comments before I go.
Yeah, I'll go ahead and get ahead. John, you reminded me I've
got to get a bigger mic. And Paul you've reminded me that I've got
to get some plaques up on my wall. Okay, I've got any plaques.
That's not good. And Jordan, uh question is that is that a
CGI background behind you or is that your actual bedroom? This is uh that
well, I call it my studio slash spare bedroom and not the other way
around. That's your action, my wife. That is very cool, way
cool and somewhat weird, but this is good. That's that's why I yeh
jan love you. Bye. All right, bye, Steven, take care
already. All right, right now, i'd like to we have We've had
this gentleman on hold uh for quite a while, and i'd like to bring
him in. And we've had a couple of people pop in, Paulino and
Peter Robins will be getting to you in just a second. So, but
first of all, on the line, we have uh, Richard, It's
Richard there, Richard cutting? Yeah, yeah, speak out? Richard?
Can you Richard? Can you talk a little louder? Yeah? Sure?
Is that better? Yeah? That is better? Richard. A number of
people may not know who you are, but you had this great series.
You were early on my show, and that's why I wanted to invite you
to come on. Um, but you had this series called um it was
Milgram in the Fast Walkers right press, yes, yes, and uh and
that that was that was very popular for a while. Yeah, and we
it's now out on BBTV on Roku and it's on Amazon and you could watch
the whole thing. It's now shut as two feature length films. So um.
You know, I'm so thankful that you invited me, Martin because in
those early days, you know, so many things have happened, you know,
more disclosure and then maybe footage and so much h the in the real
heart world of investing for our apology, and you were so kind at the
time to bring me on as a you know, dramatic filmmaker at a time
when you were sort of at a low point for dramatic programming on the UFO
issue. And you know, I was investigating sort of the John mac psychiatrist
as investigator, looking at the abduction issue, and your show prep and your
consideration of our storyline was really terrific. And I've always cited your show as
v soo to watch because of the breadth of your guests and their expertise and
their articulation and certainly their commitments. So kudos to you on ten years Martin.
It's just wonderful what you do. Well, thank you so much.
I remember when you contacted me, you were listening to the show when you're
trying to get I think you're trying to get ideas of something. But anyway,
thank you for your kind words. It's very nice to you. Yes,
yes, I can't tell you. The world has changed so much.
Is your guests no better than I do? But uh, you know now
the world of abduction which was pretty obscure um, and I go back to
the Bud Hopkins and John mc days knowing have both of those guys, and
I says, see, I wish those guys were alive to enjoy. You
know, this borg of offerings that you put out every week, and your
show prep is great. You're an incredible researcher and you go to places like
Russia and do that too, so you know you're you're not a normal show
in this world. And it's very well produced. No, I thank you
for what you do, Martin. Well, thank you A little side note
there. I won't be going to Russia anymore, but but thank you anyway,
take care, all right, all right, all right, so we
had at least Spiegel was in, but he popped out. I just text
and wonder what's going on. But let's see who popped in. You gotta
run. I'm going to drop off because I'm running a mainline move on program
tonight. I think it's right nineteen or twentieth year or something like that.
So I've got a program, so I'm gonna pop on that. But Hi
to Lee, Hi to Peter. I've just texted mister Walton for you.
He'll be joining you shortly, so often make room for him. But congratulations
Martin. You're really changing the world. You know it's and I'm grateful to
know you and I've worked with you and look forward to doing more shows with
you. All right, Jennifer there, thank you? All right, Thanks
a lot, by no Leah. I'll get to you in a minute,
but I have to I have two people that came in. I haven't even
talked to you yet, and that is Paul, you know, Paul,
and then Peter Robinson. Then i'll get to you Lee, So hang in
there. Uh, Paul, you know, how are you? Oh?
Better than nothing? I remember I certainly wanted to congratulate you Martin on the
ten years on the air. I think I first met you. My son
Ben and I first met you at the one of the early great New England
UFO conferences and they had stashed us sort of up in the upper part of
the town hall to interview guests, and we were and you came in and
set up your equipment and we never met you before, and it was interesting
because we were still associated with CBS Radio and you had better equipment than we
did. So that was the beginning of our relationship. And then then I
remember again being on your show a few years ago when you're very kindly,
I'm still trying to figure out why let me use your your your guesthouse in
Maine for several days. And I showed up this the opposite of the attire
mooring tonight in a tie and you said, oh my gosh, I better
put on a tie two. And then we talked with luminaries such as Alahedra
Rojas, and we did it. We had a fun show. So congratulations,
Well, thank you so much. Ajandra was supposed to show up almost
an hour ago. Sure exactly what happened, knowing him was probably abducted,
Yeah, it could be, could be and your show. You you've been
added a lot longer than ten years, right, Well we're going on fourteen,
and that time flies when you're having fun. Yeah, I say the
same thing. I mean, I just feel like, where has this ten
years gone? It's just amazing so fast. Well, that was funny that
we have people who tell us that they listened to my son grow up on
the air. That's right, starting when he was sixteen. So now he's
an old and married guy and a homeowner and you know, the same problems
with the rest of us. So yeah, that's always anyway. Yeah,
it's always been a pleasure. And Peter Robbins, how are you good,
my friend? How are you doing tonight? Good? And I want to
say I met you early on. I think it was the first or second
year when I started podcasting. I met you in up in Maine at will
Remain or somewhere like that, some little town. Um you were at a
conference and I met you when Travis sat there, and I'm trying to remember
capt Kathleen Marden at the time and a few others. So it was Portland,
actually, I think it was Portland. You may be right, it
may have been Portland, right, Yeah, that's right. Okay, I'm
getting confused. I thought it was. I thought it was a year before
that. But but anyway, you're you're now on the KGr A Radio two,
aren't you? On Monday? I am. Um. I was offered
the opportunity more than a year before I started, and um. My first
feeling was that I was flattered. My second was, does the world really
need another UFO paranormal related broadcast? There are so many people, colleagues and
friends like yourself doing such a marvelous job of it that I asked them if
I could think about it, and they said fine, And I thought about
it for months and ultimately arrived at a format that I thought might add something
to our collective dialogue. So many of the people that we speak with are
well known and respected in the field, but at the time I was offered
the show, coming from a background as a writer or a researcher and author,
I thought, we know these people, but we really don't know them.
And so I set up a model of trying to draw in everybody that
you would, everybody from the smallest podcast up to the audience of Coast to
Coast, which we all want as well as in fact, especially people who
had never listened to shows like ours before. So the premise for most of
my shows have been, we know who you are, unless we're new to
the subject, but of course we really don't know who you are, and
then give them an opportunity to take two hours in an informal conversation interview format
to tell us the story of their lives in any manner that they wanted,
often heavily illustrated. And as I thought about doing the show, I thought,
who are the interviewers who I really do admire? And going back to
Jack Parr and Dick Cabot, the great Terry Gross on NPR and Fresh Air,
and I thought of you. You are a very straight shooter. You
do not pull your punches. You're very fair, but you're very thorough,
and you also do your homework. We all know of hosts who have authors
on and haven't even read the liner notes on the book jacket. You know
your stuff, and when I listen to your show, I know I'm going
to get valuable content for me. The other aspect of my show, increasingly,
our panel discussions and LEAs been on one fairly recently, dealing with the
October nineteenth press conference at the National Press Club, also Steve Bassett and Danny
Sheen. And I'm finally starting to really get a sense after almost a year
of what you guys do and why you keep coming back to it. I've
been a guest on Lewis's show, which I enjoyed tremendously and looking forward to
returning. And you're an inspiration in this work for me, and I can
only say congratulations on doing it for ten years. Way to go well,
thank you so much, Thank you. I appreciate it. Just also,
I'm going to be bringing in Scan Gordon. We also have Charles Lee,
our blogger, and Robert Powell is up. I'm not sure why Charles Lear's
camera's not showing. Let me bring him back in. That is strange.
It looks like a glitch. He's there. While you figure that out,
Martin, I'm going I'm going to leave, but I just again want to
congratulate you on ten great years. Thank you so much, Thanks for thanks
for popping in my pleasure. Nice to see you all. All right,
take care of Jordan, bye bye. All right. I'm also bringing in
Stan Gordon, but let's see, I gotta do things in order here for
appearance, and that means that's Lee Spiegel. How are you? Lee?
Wow? Is this the right place to order a pizza? Somebody gave me
a number and said for the best pizza in town. That's it? Are
you? Are you a pineapp on your pizza or no? No, not
really, Louise, I'm not sure. Is that a California joke? I'm
not sure. Well, well, I want to wish you as we're all
wishing you happy ten Oh and the wish is not just me, it's for
me and my lovely wife and muse Lorraine wishes you the same. Well,
thank you so much, Lee. And it was real, real fun hanging
out with you two over at Pine Bush. Yes, who was? Yeah?
That was that was Martin. I'm gonna bow out here so weathers can
get in. But again, congratulations, Thank you, Paul, and we'll
talk soon. Take care very good, All right, take care, all
right, let's see who else? Just really quickly we have Barbert Powell came
in after you, Lee, but more Robert. Thanks, say thank you
Martin, and congratulations on ten years. I think you've done a very good
job with your podcasts. Well, thank you. Yeah, I always appreciate
it when you. I think we met first in Arizona and I kind of
talked you into coming onto the show. I think you were a little maybe
a little leary of it at first, but it worked out, okay,
right, I had not met you prior to that, right, so for
all I knan we were going to talk about, you know, little aliens
and aluminum hats. But that's right. You know, one thing Martin,
a lot of your guests may not know is that it was your podcasts that
put me in touch with Kevin Day. That's right. If if I had
not gone on your podcasts, Kevin Day might still not be known to the
UFO world and all the other guys that came out after him. That's right.
Because he saw the podcast, he wrote a little a little note,
like he said, It was just like one or two sentences, and I
was able to you know, find him from that, right, right,
And that that's worked out really well. I remember you you're saying you said
to me, oh, someone wrote, and boy, if he's legit,
he's someone pretty important. I remember you said that to me. Yeah.
Yeah. So I don't know if Kevin Day is going to thank you for
all of that or not. He may not. Yeah, yeah, I
know, it's it's hard to say. So let's see. We have Travis
Walton. Thank you Travis for joining us in Bright Zable and uh, I
just have to go quickly in order here and first I'm gonna jump now.
So gentlemen, a great evening, and again, congratulation Martin Peter. I
appreciate you coming by. Thank you. All right, So Travis, I'll
get to you, and I'll get to you Bright and Charles I will get
to you, and but we had Stan Gordon popped in first. I believe
Stan. Welcome to the show. Hello Martin. I want to congratulate you
in your ten years of bringing important information take attention of the public concerning this
ongoing mystery. And thanks also forming me mighting need to be on this commandment
of Gift show tonight. Thank you, Stan. Yeah, you were early
on. You've done some wonderful work in Pennsylvania and so I appreciate I always
appreciated what you have done. And it's not just the UFOs. There's other
weird stuff happening there and you've you've looked into it deeply all the way back
from your you know, when you were young. I remember you were telling
me you listen to the Kecksburg thing live on the radio or something like that.
Do I have that right? Yeah? I was sixteen. I've been
doing this now, believe it or not. It's going on. It's over
sixty two years of research and I've never seen a UFO myself on a regular
basi. In the last few weeks, we've had several very interesting low level
UPO sidings here in Pennsylvania I'm looking into. But my heartline has been open
since nineteen sixty nine. It never stopped ringing. How about that? Uh
Stan, That's that's amazing. All those years you've been at this, and
you've been a real asset to looking to this topic, and must make you
happy that more people are taking this seriously these days. There's no doubt about
that, you know. I've dealt with the public for years and years on
these various phenomena, and I've seen such a change and attitude in more recent
years, and a lot of people are very supportive of their researches going on
now, and so I'm hopeful someday that maybe we'll learn a lot more.
The more I know about the phenomena, I think the stranger it is.
And you know, I said years and years ago, I think there's more
than one origin to the unknown category of the UFO phenomena. Yeah, I
have to agree with you there. But thank you so much for coming on.
I really appreciate it. Well, thanks for having me on. All
right, all right, you bet okay, And next I when I have
Bryce Zable came in. Bryce, welcome, Hey, great to be here.
Congratulation. Really enjoyed hanging out at your house a few weeks ago and
our late night talk. That was a blast. That was so much fun
what I remember of it because we had been drinking. You you hadn't been
drinking. You don't even drink. I had to drink for both of us.
I think. So, oh you said some pretty incredible things. Well
that'll happen. Yeah, but no, no, it was great. It
was really great. You have such a creative mind, and it was it
was so interesting. And I'm looking in your background. What is that Is
that a storyboard I'm looking at? Yeah, I have. This is my
home office, and that's a kind of a quirkboard where I break you know,
movies or TV series or whatever. That actually right now is a book
I'm writing. So I've got ten chapters are out, and you know what's
interesting about that? There's maybe there's several things, but the one thing is
whenever I've run a show, I always like to put things up on cards
and get the writers in the room to put things up, and you arc
it all out and you try to see your head what's happening. And usually
if you're running the show, you shouldn't have to write the cards, right,
I mean that should be somebody should be in writing the cards. But
it turns out that I'm the only guy that has a good handwrite so and
my friends I'll make fun of me because I have I have not only different
colored cards, but I have different colored sharpies, and I have different colored
little red circles, and the whole thing is color coded. And the only
person who can ever figure it out is met which is I guess sort of
the way I like it. So secret, very funny, very funny.
Well you have, is there anything you can talk We talked a little bit
about what you had going on in Oh there was a lot of things you
said you couldn't talk about. But is there anything you can talk about quickly?
You know, I'm gonna mostly pass on that. Although I did write
a spec pilot called UAP. It's an our drama and Chris Mellon has come
aboard to be our consultant on it. So I think that's pretty pretty important
stuff. We'll see if that means anything in Hollywood, but we're looking into
it, and you know, that's that's kind of what I'm all about right
now, kind of interested in that. Had a couple of podcast offers,
but I said, I will not compete with Martin. That's going to happen,
That's right. I told you bet or not, and I gave you
another drink. You laid down the law and I respect that. So yeah,
yeah, now that's great. And you shared that screenplay a draft with
me and that is fascinating. I hope that does come into something well.
I've tried to keep it very real and authentic. But by the way,
I just want to take it back to you. Congratulations. I mean,
ten years is a long time to do anything. I think. I don't
think I've done anything ten years except stay married to my wife, which is
probably a very smart thing to do. Yeah. I know that it's ten
years since the anniversary of Afterdisclosure, the book I wrote with Richard Dolan and
by way of analysis, I look at that and I go, well,
that was a long long time ago. It certainly feels like so you've been
on the air forever, my friend. You just keep that up. Well,
thank you very much, thank you, thank you, and I think
you are next Travis Waltman, Hey Martin, congratulations on a decade of service
to a very important topic. That's right. And I was just saying earlier
before you came on you, I met you early on, early on.
For my ten years. I know you've you know, you've been out there
talking about this for a while and if always it's funny when I listened to
you you talk about your story. Um, it's never changed, but there
sometimes there's some more information that you you put out there that is really really
interesting and uh and a lot of it has to do with um, you
know. I think since we first talked, do you feel as though that
it was a rescue mission when you were uh, that's something you didn't talk
about at first. Yeah. Yeah, it was just a sort of dawning
realization that if they meant any harm, I wouldn't have even been returned.
So looking for the harmful effects and seeing none. It just gradually dawned on
me that the fear and the shock and all that was just my own perceptions
at the time. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's such a um you
know, this whole thing. It just seems like the more you look into
it, the more questions you have, you know, and audiencewers just so
many. I mean I mentioned earlier having a night sitting up with Bryce and
talking forever, and it's kind of like wow, you know, by when
I left, I felt like I had more questions than than answers, you
know, because that's what this subject seems to do well. It is certainly
opening up worldwide, and the perception I can I can see it, you
know, the year after year, it just is gaining more and more acceptance.
More and more people know what's going on right right right exactly. I've
had someone on hold forever here, and I just have to bring them in,
uh quickly. We have Joshua. Uh, Joshua Cutcheon. How are
you jo? No, I'm sorry to pronounce your last name wrong. Joshua.
Were you on my show? Someone else interviewed you at one time?
I was on your show and I spoke to you and Preston Dinnett at the
beginning of this year. Actually, oh, I'm terribly are you? But
anyway, Uh, you know, it's funny. I was looking through my
list of guests and some of them, I have to say, out of
four hundred and eighty one shows. Uh, you know, I forget sometimes
I forget. Oh yeah, I had that person on, you know,
like someone asked to be on my show and I forgot all about that.
They were already on once. So it does happen. Well, I've actually
recently been on a few other podcasts Barbara Jean Lindsay, Cosmic Arbal and UFO
Garage a couple. I just I'm a new experiencer. I'm new to this
whole UFO community in general. I happened to I know, the Bledsoe family
personally. I went to school with Chris Junior and Ryan. I'm a little
unique as I was a former hardcore sket a year ago. I didn't believe
in any of this, And at the beginning of this year I started experiencing
orbs and this year alone, I've seen I've lost count obviously at least twenty
orbs. And um, I gotta make this real quick because I gotta get
out here, but m yeah, I hold a long time, and I
really appreciate it. And we have we have someone at the airport that's on
hold too, and he was my first, my first news person, so
i'd like I want to grab him. So thank you so much, Joshua.
I'm headed off too by Martin. All right, Robert, thank you
so much. And I'm sorry I have to I have to kind of move
along here because of Michael Lauka. You there, Michael, Yes, Michael,
how are you? Do you hear me? Yes, I hear you
loud and care You're you are live on the radio and everyone hanging there if
I especially, I'm spoken to you yet, Michael. You I forget how
you and I first got in touch with each other, but you were on
and you you and I did some like co hosting. You did UFO News.
This is going back in like year two or three, right, Yes,
yes, I think we were both living in different places than and yeah,
that's right. And you wrote some really really good blogs. As a
matter of fact, one of the blogs is the reason why Calvin Parker reached
out to me and and Calvin Parker, I do have a clip. I'm
going to run here in a little bit where he says high and everyone can
kind of take a break and breathe or whatever you want to do. I'm
gonna be running that in just a few minutes. But you know, thanks
to your great blog, he contacted me and he produced he was able to
write a book and it's been doing really well and he's had a lot of
recognitions. I'm gonna have. I'm gonna bring him up in just a minute.
So anyway, Michael, thank you. I know you're at the airport
and it's crazy, and I do appreciate all that you have done in the
past. You've done a lot of a lot of really good things. Oh
you know what, nothing, I mean, this show is really because of
your hard work and congratulations. It's uh. When you told me it's been
ten years, I couldn't believe it. Literally was like we couldn't have been
We're not that old. Yes, I'm not even going to get into that,
you're right, yeah, yeah, but well I'm proud of you,
Martin for sticking with it and making this happen. It's a great thing.
Well, thank you, Michael. That's very nice to you. All Right,
you take care and hopefully we'll talk soon. Yes, yes, congratulations
again. All right, take care Michael. All right, um, let's
see. I know I saw Chris Lambright, presidentnet Irene Previn just popped in.
It seems up. If you don't all mind just hanging in for about
five minutes, Is everyone okay to hang in five minutes so I can run
this shirt? All right? And I'm gonna run this this up I recorded
on Sunday, and you'll recognize a few of these people. And here we
go, all right, and from over the pond, I got Philip Mantel
and one of my pals here, Calvin Parker, Harry, how are you
guys? Great? How are you doing? Philip Martin? No, I
didn't remember me, actually, Martin guy, No before I forget Martin.
Congratulations ten years of hosting this podcast. I mean, I've done podcasts myself.
I know it's not easy, but you've done a great job over these
last ten years. And I wish you well for the next ten years,
my friend, I really do well. Well, thank you very much.
I don't feel like I'm gonna change anything. I just love doing the show
and it's you know, the last few years we've been pretty lucky with some
of the information out. I remember the first one I did with you,
and that was way back. That was I think that was two thousand fourteen
or thirteen, Calvin, it was I was a little half there and I
am now. Yeah, I knew years going a long ways with a teen
You do such a great job with them. Happy anniversary on it. Well,
well, thank you so much, Calvin, and uh I believe now
tell me if I'm wrong, but were you the first time interviewed by me?
For it was a long time I had. You're exactly right, and
matter of fact, that's the way Philip found me through you. Yep.
I'm so glad that worked out. And I was just about to say that,
I was just about to thank you, Martin, because we're not for
you, it would have probably taken me a whole longer two to find Calvin.
I think when I was just you know, throwing out the next you
know you, I caught you in the net and at that point I'd already
been trying to find him for three months. And yeah, so I do
thank you for that. It led to me and Calvin, of course becoming
friends, but a whole lot more than that, as ensued in the last
three years that we've been in church, Yeah, two eighteen. Wow,
So can you tell me what what has actually happened in that time? Quite
a bit, right, Well, I'll tell you. I mean, Calvin
told his story in full in writing for the first time. And what I
didn't know I didn't I didn't contact Calvin with the view of writing or publishing
a book. What happened, Martin, I got the rights to republish Charles
Hickson and William Mendes his book, and I knew Charles had sadly passed away,
but to the best said my knowledge, I thought Calvin was still around.
So I thought, if I could get an interview and I'll put him
in the book, just to bring it up to date. Of course,
what I didn't know is when I first spoke to him, it was very
polite, didn't tell me an awfulnest. But unknown to me, his wife
Wayne et just literally I think weeks before I contacted Calvin had mentioned to him
about writing a book. So he made the mistake of telling me that,
so there was no escaping it. In the end, Martin, he'd weighing
out on one side and me on the other, and of course, you
know the books have passed. All our surprises went went to be a best
seller on Amazon. Not only that, what it did, which is probably
more important, it spurred others to come out of the woodwork, much like
Calvin had for the first time, and they could do you know now,
Calvin, unlike when the incident happened back in nineteen seventy three, people weren't
making fun of him anymore buy and Lodge. They were taking him seriously.
They treated him with respect, especially locally, and encouraged others to come out
of the woodwood. And you know that list of people who have done that
continues to grow. Well, yes, look who we have here then,
very is how's it going, guys? How you doing? I apologize.
I I'm at the airport, That's why I'm wearing this mask and I don't
have any ear fund so I can barely hear you here. But well you
made it. Yeah. I wanted to think and say hi and congratulations Martin
for all these years. Man, I think I remember when you first started
broadcasting time flies. I know, I can't. I can't believe it.
It's just it has It's flown right by, and I like all of a
sudden I realized, like a few months ago, oh my god, it's
ten years now, and didn't TV still have valves in the bucket him when
you started? Mate? Yeah, yeah, the podcast wasn't quite soeezy.
So Ben, I know you're super busy, and you know it means a
lot to me that you you checked in at the airport. You know,
you just have a ton of stuff going on, anything you can talk about
freely or is it? Um? Yeah, actually they just announced it um
uh Friday, I think it was. They We are in season two now
of UFO Witness and of course Calvin was one of the highlights of season one.
Um his story is all of that's going to be airing on Travel Channel
now starting tomorrow on Monday. So everyone who wasn't able to watch it because
of um you know that it was only on Discovery, plus you didn't have
the sting service. You can now go directly to Travel Channel. And I
think they're going to start airing them in order. So I think it's ten
pm Eastern time tomorrow is when it starts, and then probably every week they'll
they'll keep that same time slot. And I'm flying out right now to film
episode two of season two, so we're excited. Excellent. Well, just
to let the listener know that's we're recording on Sunday ahead of the show,
so it'll have to be like the following the following Monday, but you'll can
find that time slot. I can go back in time, it'll already be
airing for them. Yeah, excellent. Well this has been a real pleasure
everyone. Thank you so much. And if there wasn't people like you,
of course there would be no show. So I really appreciate it. Well,
you know, I tried podcasting one time, actually twice, and if
people don't have never tried it, they don't know how hard it is.
Every week, you you have to prepare of like who you're going to have,
arrange your own personal life, you know, to make that time slot,
prepare for the interview, um, and you get committed to it.
But it's a lot. It's it's a lot to do that, and you
know, most of the time people are doing it because of the passion that
they have for it. I mean, you're lucky if you can actually make
money and doing it. It's a it's a passion and that's why I really
appreciate people like you. And Martin that do it and get the word out.
Well, thank you, thank you all so much. Okay, welcolea
see not go bless you all right, we'll see you guys in another ten
years. Worky, okay, take care by ye all right? Wow,
so that when it ends and ends quick, so let's see where we're at.
Lee, thank you for hanging in. And who else have been hanged
Yeah? Lee and Chris have been hanging in. I'm trying to remember who
popped in first. Was it Preston or was it Chris? I think it
was you, Chris. I was about to say, I think it was
Preston. Anyway, No, it's quite a right, whatever is what's going
on. It's good to see. Martin surprised me when I got your note
about ten years. It's it really has been a long time. It was
just an occasional podcast you did back when when I guess the first time I
spoke with you. But um, yeah, I was doing them married two
weeks for the first part of this, and um, it's funny. I
got a lot of my guests. I will tell you that I used to
listen to Coast to Coast and I'd say, wow, that guy, sounds
interesting. And then I heard you one night and I said, wow,
um, I just thought I thought it was really fascinating and uh, and
you're approachable and you actually answered, which was very nice. You know,
a lot of a lot of people in the very beginning didn't didn't seem to
answer, you know, the emails right now, that's interesting someone being new,
you know, I mean at it. But anyway, I was,
and you and I've had a lot of long, long conversations over the years.
It's been a lot of fun. Oh yeah, that is you don't
look any older. I think I must look a lot older. But yeah,
I guess that was not long after I had written the book. I
guess it was some point that the things still not in print. And now
I feel like I should probably go I should have talked to Philip, I
should find a publisher who can maybe consider putting it in print. I just
have always been such a stickler for wanting some nice images, you know,
good glossy images of the because of the Paul Benewitz photos especially, so that's
why i went PDF first. But it seemed like in the last few months
I've kind of gone on the quiet side of things. At this stage and
actually decided to move from you know, I had revised the website, put
it back on the book. I'm gonna probably go at looking doing some more
documentary style things. I actually have a when I've been working on for a
while with some information I have on the Scoro case, just kind of a
proof of concept thing. But I've got a trailer, a teaser trailer.
I'll send you a link to it. Let you take a look at that.
But more so even because there's well, you know, visual things seeing
it's one of the reasons that it mattered to me to have the photos really
good resolution, high color so you could see it. And years ago I
did a book where I was actually was working on a book where I wanted
to do the illustrations as though you were standing there looking at the odd because
it was all oil paintings back then, it wasn't wasn't done on Photoshop or
anything. And now being able to do a lot of the CGI stuff and
illustrate actual what it would look like if you were standing right there, those
are kind of things that would be interested in doing a lot of graphic arts
kind of stuff as well. But talented, I've seen your work. You're
very talented, and well, I appreciate it, but wait till I send
you this teaser. I mean even I have to think, you know what,
it looks pretty kick ass animating the whole thing of the school object and
what it would look like from where his Zamora was at the time. And
it's just I don't know, I'm kind of proud of it, but I've
had to You can't teach an old dog new tricks. By the way,
I had to learn some software, maya and a few other things to actually
do this. But yeah, but now the documentary side of things is really
it takes a lot of times. You can't do everything yourself and get it
all finished. At some point, I'm going to have to job out certain
things. You know. One of the things I gotta say, Chris,
so I thought you've done. You've have done a very You did a very
good job in the Paul Benewitz case, and anyone that looks it's a sad
case but fascinating at the same time. I would love to see someday a
documentary made specifically about that case alone. That's the number two project I've got.
The third project is like the first rule of Fight Club. I'm not
talking about the third one, but actually no, you're absolutely correct. In
fact, before I began to work in the SCOREL when I was doing some
looking at animating some of the Paul Benewitz imagery. Maybe I'll send you a
link to actually have EXDSK Publishing and XSK Digital. So I'm swinging over to
the digital side, but it's not up now if there's the kind of a
holding page. But the idea of doing documentaries the way I would want to
see them, where you actually see images done realistic as though you were standing
there looking at it, and having had some of the actual photos that Paul
sent me helps a lot, because once you get a good chance to see
the actual photos, I'd love to have seen the ones that I didn't get
to see. Right, You're right if they're tucked a wearing a file somewhere
in the you know the family, I know the somebody because of the burnt
situation, they felt that they're not really talking to anyone. That's unfortunate if
those things ever get tossed. But actually I made a trip to Santa Fe
to give a talk of a couple of years back and made a point of
just happening to go buy Thunder Scientific. I just I got to show my
face in there, and at least and I talked to his son. I
think it was his son, Ben very gracious. I didn't. I mean,
it was just a five minute, short trip thing just to tell them
how much I had kind of respected their dad. But he was very gracious
guy. I mean, he was a terrific guy about it. So maybe,
but I did write a letter to his wife said, if you've got
any of Paul's films stuck in away in a safe somethingwhere take care of them.
Somebody must have them somewhere, that's right. So we have a lot
of people that we just have a Ben Moss and Tony Tony I always have
a and oh hey guys, I just saw you guys come in down there.
Yeah, Tony post some terrific stuff on Facebook. By the way,
when Tony posts stuff, I'm not anymore. So I miss everything. But
we have Linda Zimmerman in and uh Lee, I know I want to get
to talk to you more. I don't know how how everyone's feeling about this,
but if everyone wants to hang out, I'm gonna go longer than eight
o'clock. So if anyone wants to hang out and talk after that, um,
I just decided to do that, but I want to. I think
Preston Dennet, you were next, right, I think how you doing doing
doing great? Good? Great? Yeah, well thanks for having me on
your anniversary show. It's awesome. Sure you're not getting sick of hearing it,
but yeah, congratulations, well thank you, yeah, thank you,
And Preston up you always have a book going on. Do you have a
book you're working on now? Of course, yeah, you know it.
I've got like fifty more I want to write. So I think this is
an important subject and you're doing great work. Actually, you're hugely popular.
You're out there, You've got all kinds of hits. And whenever I do
a book, I make sure to go through your shows, and I tried
to miss anything. I did a book on schoolyard encounters, and I'm so
glad I went through your shows because I thought them an amazing witness there.
And uh yeah, I am keeping busy. I have loved the work you're
doing, and thank you. The spield is just exploding. Ooops is that
me? That is me? Ye? Looks like yeah, we had a
little power thing going here. So yeah, if that happens and I drop
out, everyone just keep going with the show. I don't care when it
ends to just keep going. So anyway, we have Dave Marler popped into.
Hi Dave. I'm just gonna say, I'm letting people talk one at
a time kind of the thing to do here. But also when someone talks.
When someone talks, you can if anyone wants to ask them a quick
question, you know, feel free. I don't want you to, you
know, we have a question you want to ask someone, But now we
have we have a full house here and Irene from Australia. Irene, welcome
there were going to hear me. I've just done meeted my Mike. How
are you great to be here. I've got my Ginger Apple water carefere because
it's breakfast time here, actually late breakfast over here in Australia. Congratulations,
Well thank you alcohol in that No, no, no alcohol, it's just
very healthy Profiletory. Thank you. We all done teen years. My goodness.
We met in two thousand and nineteen in person, but I have seen
you obviously online before that. But yeah, it was a real thrill to
meet you at the Phoenix conference. So yeah, yeah, we hung out
a lot several mates there with I love the group you're in. It was
just it was just a fun and you guys mean a trip around the country
right a little bit. Yeah, we did a road trip. We went
to the Roswell Field and spell a lot of from there. We're actually topping
the Carrow afterwards, so we got to see all of the the legendary sides
around the area and that was quite thrilling for us coming from the other side
of the world to do our kind of neca UFO pilgrimage religiously away. Yeah,
it was really interesting. And you also were able to connect me to
Ross Coldheart, which I think he's a real powerhouse in this in the UFO
topic, and I was very very grateful for that. Oh thank you.
I have his book here and he's autographed it kindly for me. Um,
so that's got rather lovely. That's going to be Christmas presents. Yeah,
a whole bunch of them in plain side. Everybody who hasn't read it should
get a copy. The other needs that down here is that there's a young
emerging emerging filmmaker, Anthony Riley, who's working on trying to get a film
happening for about Westall. So all your Americans with depockets, dig deep and
sponsor this film when it comes out. I don't know what when he's going
to start producing or looking for funding, but watch out for that one.
I think it would be amazing. He's in touch with the witnesses and they're
very kindly giving him time and talking to him, so he's getting to know
them, and I think it will be really exciting to get a filmmate about
Westall, a recreation of Yeah, the human side of it, I suppose
is what he's focusing on. I don't know much about it yet, but
that's the little bit it I do know. And yeah, that's wonderful.
Yes, hey, I need let's see. I need us be safe.
I think. Let me see if I can pipe come one in. I
can. Okay, never mind, we have Leslie Kane on the line.
Leslie, how are you? I'm good, How are you good? Thanks?
Thanks for coming on. We have a bunch of people on. We're
having a good time, I would say, and so thank you for thank
you for calling in, Leslie. Yeah, I can always call back later,
especially many people waiting, you know, no that's all right. Everyone's
patient, right, you'll you'll get to talk, right? Is everyone everyone
good? Okay? Yeah, they're looking at me kind of angry, but
I think they're good. I think we could clear the runway for Leslie Kane.
Okay. So, so, Leslie, I wanted to thank you.
Ralph was on, but unfortunately he didn't. He didn't pop up. Um,
he didn't make it. But I do want to thank you. You
helped me. Huh, you trusted me enough in the beginning. I'm sorry.
I don't know who. It's just mark this. I don't know what
that was. That wasn't I don't know where that came from. You can
hear me now, Leslie, right, I do hear you, but I'm
not sure I know who you are. Unfortunately, no, this is Martin
Willis. Yeah, oh, Martin, I didn't know because I aren't you
on the show. I don't know. I'm confused. I'm sorry. I'm
sorry. Yeah, I should I should have announced that you were live on
the show. You were live on the show on my on right now,
you are on right now, and thank you. Okay, it's awesome,
awesome. I didn't realize what was going on here because somebody else was on
the line. So anyway, Martin, I'm going to add my congratulations along
with everybody else's, and then you've gotten a lot of them tonight. You
deserved them all. Really really great that you've done this for so long and
you've had a lot of great a great diversity of people on your show from
all these different areas, and it's really great that there's a platform for so
many different types of people to come forward. And so thank you for doing
what you do. Thank you, Leslie, and I do you want to
say thank you as well, because um you you trusted me enough to connect
me to Chris Mellon. I was the first one to interview him about this
topic, as well as Ralph Blumenthal, and uh, you know, through
you, I got to interview these people, and I really really appreciate your
trust of course anytime. I'm glad you were able to interview them. I
remember back in the days of remember that conference we met at in person back
in yes thirteen maybe with the Chilean know, the guy from the Chilean government,
and the only time we've ever met in person, that's right, that
was in North North Carolina, right, yes, yeah, And I also
appreciate your giving a platform to these, you know, the people from those
other countries who came for that conference. That was really important. Yes,
yeah, that was That was great. That was That was where I met
Alejandro Rojaus and I don't know where he is he was supposed to be popping
in. But anyway, it's been a real pleasure, and I hope to
have you on the show when you can talk about stuff, because I know
you have a lot going on, but I know how the the NDAs are
and you can't say a lot of things that you're doing. But that'll be
great to have you back on again when you can. Thanks. And it's
not NDA. It's just like when I did that when I was involved the
next such series, Surviving Death. I mean I was allowed to talk about
it until like a couple of weeks before it is announced or even scared,
you know. So if we're hand another projects for amazing yet what I'm really
upset about you keeping not talking about it, so I just can't. But
it's gonna be. It's an exciting project coming along last year. Great,
great, excellent. Well thank you Leslie. Okay, good to talk to
you, Martin. Take care, Thank you. All right, you take
care too, thank you. Okay, bye bye. All right, let's
see um all we have Peggy. Peggy was contacted me. She's on the
line as well, and a few other people are too, but I'd like
to squeeze them in when I can, because Peggy was one of my very
first listeners and helped me out for many, many years. So I'll be
bringing her on. Hopefully she'll hang in there for a while. But I
want to bring up I can't remember who was next was at Linda. I
think it was Linda, and then Tony and Ben hanging there. Tony and
Ben don't go anywhere. Linda, welcome to the show. Thank you so
much, and congratulations. This amazing lineup of people I think is just a
testament to the incredible work you've done. So I'm a huge fan of the
show and you've just done so much for the field. Thank you well,
Thank you, Linda. And it's always I love when you call in.
You've called in and asked some really great questions to guests. And you have
your shows it once a month or something like that. I don't know how
you do it every week. I do have UFO headquarters once a mole and
that's more than I can handle with everything else going on. So for you
to do this fifty two weeks a year for ten years is phenomenal. I'm
I'm in awe. Well, thank you. Lee has to drop out.
Lee, thank you so much. Well, thank you, thank you.
It's been great seeing all these great faces. Some I know, some I
don't know, something very far away, like Irene David Marlow, who I
just saw two days ago, and I don't need to see him so soon.
But no, it's great to see everyone. Congratulations to you, Martin.
May I be as fortunate as you over ten years to do something like
this as as well as you've done, And I hope I look like you
in ten years soon. So you're too kind. All right, thank you,
thank you very much. Take care, Linda. I didn't know if
you were done speaking. Oh, I just wanted to thank you and keep
keep up the good work. You're an amazing resource. As you know.
I'm always I'm always listening when I can, and you've just created an archive
of material here that I think is going to be a fabulous resource for the
next generation. Thank you. I think of that sometimes too, you know,
and that's why I try to get as much good information out there,
you know, as possible, because you know, for someone looking back,
you know that I have like three hundred some on videos up on YouTube of
interviews and some of them are pretty interesting. So but thank you very much.
And speaking of that, for those listeners out there, tomorrow will be
episode number one. It's a replay that will be up on my YouTube channel
only, and that's with Stephen Basset, my very first episode and Michael Masters
just joined. Michael hanging there. I'll get to you in a minute.
Thank you for joining. And he coined the phrase what was that pod part?
No party pod That's what he said. This is party hell yeah,
pod party, that's it? Yes, yeah. Um So, first of
all, Ben and Tony, how are you guys doing good? I'm happy
anniversary. Well, thank you. And you two have been on the show
many times. It's always been a lot of fun. And we got to
meet a couple of times, and you have been on all kinds of things.
Do you have anything going on these days? Well, we just spoke
at Mysteries of Space and Sky, one of the oldest UFO conferences on the
East Coast. I think it's been around for twenty eight years in Maryland and
uh uh we're there with Colonel Halt and uh Rob swy Tech and the usual
suspects that lounge around the DC area. But yeah, we uh, we're
doing some cases on our own and just trying to figure it out, just
like everybody else is. Yeah, yeah, have you been Tony good?
You know, let's just think about at the time that we were up in
raised attic, it was like nine hundred degrees and uh, I love how
Ray just pupped the shirt right off. Yeah that's right. Yeah, Ray
had gained an ounce of body weight in eighty four years. He just maintains
the same I know, I know, And yeah it's something else, But
let me just see what I need to get this caller in on the line
that Peggy It has spent. She was on my Let's see, I think
Peggy contacted me real early on, very early on. I was about four
shows, and she was telling me I was doing everything wrong. Isn't that
right? Peggy, You're live on the show and I haven't changed Martin.
I know she told me the what four and uh, actually, Peggy,
I owe you a lot of for the wonderful So it became yes, it's
all it's all your fault. You helped me along the way, so I
do appreciate that congratulation. Sweetie. Wow, ten years, I know,
I know, I can't believe it. It's hard to believe, isn't it,
because I think you started listening in like two thousand and twelve, right.
I went back on her shortly after we moved to Las Vegas, and
we moved here in two thousand and eleven. So yeah, and Peggy,
you managed the Facebook page, did stuff every day for like eight years,
and you know, I don't know why you did it, but thank you
so much because I have no life. Yeah, but anyway, it's a
it's funny Peggy did. I asked her to do it an experiment one time
on Facebook. I said, Okay, put a picture up and then put
a link to something else entirely different, and let's see how many people will
comment about the link. And sure enough, everyone commented about the picture.
Nobody even bothered to click the link. It was perfect. Remember that,
you thankly remember that. Yeah, what I would like to know is why
you have an eight in ten years? Well, it's that really pisses me
off. I'm sorry. Well, yeah, I'm a hybrid that I am
honored to be on with such illusterious guests. Oh my gosh, all my
favorites are on, and it's it's amazing. It's amazing what you've done and
how you've persevered and how you have managed not to jump to shark like so
many in all these years. Oh well, well, thank you. Yeah,
I know we've had a couple of conversations about when people's you know,
phone conversations, but when people's material kind of gets tired, and how they
they seem to have to invent a little bit to make things, make them
more. Yeah, I'll be good. I'm relevant, squeer. I didn't
hear that. I didn't hear you're supposed to cough when you do that,
soh my gosh. Yeah, I'm not going to keep you because I know
you've got tons of people. But it's a great show and you're a great
person, and the best thing to come out of this was meeting you.
Oh thank you, Peggy. That's very sweet to you. All Right,
you take care talk to them. Yeah, I have to take off two
actually, okay, all right, Preston, thank you so much for popping
in. Nice to you. Yeah, thanks, Thanks, for having me.
It's nice to see all these familiar faces and new friends, and yeah,
it's awesome. Good luck for ten years. All right, take care.
Dave Marler, I think you were next, right, and then Michael
Masters after Dave. How are you doing well, Martin? I'm just go
I was able to squeeze this in. I just got off work and rushed
home, got on my computer, and I was hoping I would catch you
towards the end here at least a little bit. And my god, what
the lineup you have here? What a what a what a group of researchers.
Uh, I don't know if it's so much an anniversary as a UFO
convention of sorts. Yeah, it's kind of. I just started sending out.
I didn't hear from a lot of people, but I mean, I
was really glad that some people came in. And this is a Dave old
Larry. David will be talking to you as soon. David o'larry from Project
Bluebook just popped in. Um, but yeah, David, you David Marler
I'm talking to But um, I've always loved having you on the show.
You've always you always have such wonderful things to say and and um, I
really love your integrity and I'm glad that we have become friends over the years,
and and you have been on the show. I don't know how many
times, but it's always every single time. It's very enjoyable. Well,
I always appreciate the opportunity. As I've told you, I think privately as
well as on the show, and I speak for many people. I think
in this respect, we can do our research, but if we don't have
a vehicle by which to share the information with the general public, what good
is it. And so conferences and podcasts like yours with an extremely you know,
knowledgeable audience on the subject. I really think your audience shows a lot
of discernment when it comes to the credible versus the non credible. And I
have to tell you, after hearing Peggy, I wish I could live a
little closer to Peggy. I'd love to have a beer with her. She
sounds like she's a lot of fun. So she's a blast. She's a
blast. I mean she right away. She's like yelling at me on the
phone when I first met her, like why are you doing that for?
Don't do that? And she really us she's awesome, but I just want
to just say because KGr A is only going to be on for a short
time and we have Bobby was one of the early people that I met in
this UFO field. I met him at the North Carolina conference. I think
it was twenty thirteen. Bobby, Welcome to the show. You're live.
Hey, how are you doing? Hey? How you doing, Bobby relations
Thank you. I'm just amazed by the level of the people that love you
so much that are here tonight for you. It's mind boggling. It's like
who of uthology. It's absolutely amazing. Yeah, Well, thank you,
Well, thank What's the thing that's done for me? Is one thing that
you've done for me is you know, I read a lot of books my
whole life about UFOs and different UFO stories, but you were able to bring
um all these different stories to life for me, like Incident Exeter Travis Walton
Um, the Pascal Goula case, the cast Landrum case. You actually found
these people, were able to interview them and brought them to light. It
wasn't just something you read in the book. And I'm humbled to be your
friend. Well, thank you so much. Thank you. All Right,
Well, I gotta we're getting ready for KGr A is going to drop off
the line here, so take care, Bobby. Thank you. All right,
thanks a lot. Right, we had our blogger, Charles Lear dropped
out and I didn't get a chance to talk to him. I'm going to
try to h going to try to reach back to him. So I would
like Michael Masters if you could. How are you, Michael? Always?
Yeah, Lake was cheers brother ten years. Cheers ten years. That's awesome.
I'm guessing that's not kool aid in that. No, that is a
fine French cognac, my friend. Thank you, thank you. Well,
it's actually not that fine. It's it's just tennis. See, I can't
afford anything else. But it's still damn good. Yeah. But anyway,
Michael, Uh, I hung out with you out in Phoenix. I had
such a fun time with you, and it was it was a blast.
But how are you doing these days? Yeah? I'm doing well. Uh,
enough about me, though, How are you doing? So? Is
your your pod party? No? No, doing great. I'm really happy
that all these people have showed up and uh, it's been been a real
blast. Now for those of you not familiar, Michael has an idea and
it's just one of the many ideas that it's possible. Did you want to
just in a nutshell, do that real quickly? What's your what's your?
Yeah? Absolutely. I always preface it with the fact that it's not my
idea either, because people have been advocating for this idea since the nineteen forties
and probably earlier. Just that, uh, that the aliens are time traveling
humans from the future as opposed to extraterrestrials at least part of the phenomen coming
on, though I don't preclude the extra dress or hypothesis or any of them.
I think with a phenomenon this mysterious and complex, we should be considering
every valid hypothesis. So it's just one of many, and it's been around
for a while. I just took kind of a multidisciplinary approach to it and
tried to look at as much as I could, but all of us are
limited in what we can know about this, so it's just one small piece
of the puzzle. Yeah, we're we're just just to let you know that.
That's the end of the show for KGr A Radio. Thank you so
much, Bill, and let's see I'll just pop Bill back in. Thank
you Bill for all you do, my pleasure, Martin, have a great
show, all right, all right, take care, bye bye bye.
Well that's not fair that I got the last word on your pod party.
Well no, that's just on on KGr A radio. We're still we're still
okay, we're still doing this will be on YouTube and talk. I was
gonna feel guilty about that the last things said. Well, yeah, no,
this is awesome. I wanted to congratulate you. I mean, I
can't imagine doing anything for ten years, um like literally anything. I don't.
I get sick of things so fast. So for you to hammer down
on it for ten years and still be putting together fine content is highly commendable.
So well done. I will tell you you know that there was a
time where, um, I did think about quitting. I would say about
five years ago. I thought, well, you know, maybe maybe it's
time. Uh, maybe it's run its course. And so I think anyone
that does anything for any length of time will come up with those challenges and
uh so, Uh. The bottom line is, I don't know what happened.
There was some feuding going on. Well oftentimes in the UFO world,
there's some feuding going on here and there. It's weird to hear you say
that. I've never noticed that, and that's news to me. I mean
tell I'm yeah, I'm also unfamiliar. Yeah, Dave, I'm gonna Dave
Olarry, I'm gonna bring you up next. But first of all, Charles
Lee are you there? Charles Hi? Charles, I think he's having some
internet issues. This is Charles Lear. You can see his image there.
He's been doing the blogs for several years now, does a wonderful job.
And well he's gone for now. So I want to bring up Dave.
Oh Leary, how are you, Dave. I'm doing good. Congratulations Martin,
thanks for having me, Thank you, thank you. It was so
fun hanging out with you a few weeks ago. I know, I know,
I was looking. I saw online like sort of the list of the
guests you have, so I think I can say where we were, which
was our our friend Bryce Sables house, And it was an absolute blast to
see you and just feel privileged to be on and I see, uh,
I see my man David Marler there as well, so so nice to see
a you know a few faces uh that I know here, and uh,
I just want to say, like a big congratulations to you. I mean
ten years. You know, I think Michael was saying it's hard to do
anything for ten years. So that's right, that's right. Big congratulations to
you on this milestone. Thank you so after Project blue Book, Um that
that was what two seasons and now now you have something. Can you talk
a little bit about what you have going on? I can, sadly only
sort of due to certain like NDAs and things like that very broadly, but
UM, I'm doing I'm back. I'm back in the in the rabbit hole
with my Project blue Book cohort Sean Jablonsky, who wanted to be here today
but unfortunately couldn't uh to uh examine the Roswell incident. Uh and uh for
tnt UM. It was announced, the project was announced, and you know,
listen, I mean this is this is a granddaddy huge case, regardless
on sort of where you fall on sort of you know, whether you believe
in the events that occurred or you're more agnostic to what to what's happened.
Uh. You know, it's a it's a sort of humbling, uh humbling
proposition for us to be going down this rabbit hole of examining the Roswell incident
and bringing that to to hopefully to a TV screen, you know, in
a dramatized way. Uh you know, uh soon So, um, well,
that's that's good information. Now, have you a good person to reach
out to? Was on the show earlier, Kevin Randall. He's he's someone
that has done a lot of work on that. I'd be glad that you
make the connection if you need to. Sure, Yes, that's a name
I certainly know, uh and have definitely read various uh you know, definitely
read Kevin before. So thank thank you for that, Martin. That'd be
that'd be amazing. Yeah, yeah, I feel I feel, you know,
I know that I'm we're on the horn here with so many wonderful researchers
and hard my hard you know, so obviously you know, I'm a screenwriter.
I come at it in a slightly different approach, but I I am
a you know, I hope everyone knows a big, a big uh you
know. Just I love gobbling up information on UFOs, So I was I
was geeking out a little when Michael was talking about sort of the the time
US in the future hypothesis is one that I've I've explored as well, just
in my you know, I've always felt that that something that that rang true
for me, so I uh, you know, it's it's just another just
an interesting viewpoint into the phenomena. So I was enjoying hearing a little bit
about about that perspective. Um, yes, yeah, I would like to
open this, uh, this whole thing up for if anyone would like to
tackle like a certain topic one of the things that that people are. One
of the questions I had in the very beginning is you know, what are
they? What do they want from us? Does anyone? I thought it
would be fun. I just occurred to me if anyone wants to, maybe
we can do kind of a round robin if anyone, because that's one thing
after doing the four hundred eighty shows is uh, I've heard so many different
ideas on what they are. Michael, who's with us? That's definitely an
idea that is different from a lot of you know, the mainstream thoughts of
what these objects are. I don't know if anyone wants to tackle umph.
Yeah, who's that? It's been a right hey Ben? Okay? Yeah,
Um, you know it's interesting because there you know, the government released
the nine page which was actually seven page document that they released was kind of
what I thought it would be a nothing burger. But and the scary thing
about that was they hinted that it was adversaries instead of ET, which is
scarier than the reverse. But Tony and I, you know, were at
a conference once where we were talking to a military person who had the highest
authority of clearance to look into all the different intelligent agencies. And I'll never
forget what he said at that at that meeting when I asked him, I
go, what did you find out? And he said that at the very
top of the hierarchy of who runs, you know, if it's building burgs
or whatever, everything, he said, we're not in charge. And I
said, what do you mean, we're not in charge? And all he
did was roll his eyes up like he was inferring that an ET presence was
in charge. And So if this whole thing is something that, as some
people have described as something you really wouldn't want to know the answer because it
would be so terrifying or it would blow away your perception of reality and how
the world works, then that makes sense in a couple of ways. Because,
first of all, I don't believe in disclosure, because I don't think
they're ever going to say, we've been lying to you for seventy years.
But if they don't know what it is, or they do know what it
is, and it's so terrifying that they don't want to tell anybody and that's
the real reason why they'll never be a disposure, then that's even scarier.
So all the theories that have come out all may be true. It could
be interdimensional, it could be time travelers, it could be species from other
planets, but you know, I tend to think that it's you know,
there's multiple sources of life out there, and they're obviously visiting us. So
I like the et apothesis. But the fact that somebody really deep inside the
government said that not in control of her own destiny, if that's the truth,
and that's scarier than anything I've ever run across in research. One of
the things I don't know if anyone watched the interview with Kurt the Theory of
Everything interviewed lou Alsando, any post an interesting question, and that was,
what if there's some intelligence here? What if we're not the top of the
food chain, something's highly intelligent. What if that's part of this, that
something is here and has been here all along, but we don't see them.
We don't see them for whatever reason. I thought that was It was
kind of, you know, kind of eerie to hear that. But there's
also I don't know if anyone has followed this. As a woman I think
her name is something like Anna League work for the government, supposedly, and
she says that she's going to have a talk with the beings underground. I
don't know has anyone followed that, and that they're it's that expedition has been
canceled as of now. It was canceled our postpone like all the doomsdays day
or to do you know, like maybe maybe I love postpone it to another
date, but she was kicked out of the property or something. But anyway,
any other takes on what they could be or any other topics. We
have such a great group here, I'd love to the only one that's ever
come up to me, And this is a this is a weird one,
but I you know, I got interested for a while in sort of the
simulated reality hypothesis. I read a book I have it here, where is
it? But it basically kind of looks I can't find it now on my
shelf, but it sort of looks at the simulated reality hypothesis through a sort
of a multidisciplinary lens. And in that book they kind of talked about UFOs
sort of as you know, the game masters interacting with the game sphere kind
of a thing where uh, this kind of way throw it out there is
just you know, food for fodder. I guess it's sort of like assimulations
and believe I thought this is to believe in UFOs look at it through the
lens of like, yeah, this other intelligence that is essentially uh right,
you know, maybe behind what life is like we are avatars and they are
viewing it through us. That that somehow UFOs are involved in that. So
I throw it out there just to just to add more uh layers to this
thing. But something that always sort of stuck with me is like, Wow,
that's that's a different one that I hadn't you know, heard of,
Yeah, anyone else on that. Well, I guess I'll take a quick
StEB I have a I have a more I think mundane view of it.
Um, we are explorers and when we get the technology, we'll be doing
exactly what we see being done to us on other planets when we get there.
I have no problem with the idea. It's different intelligences, whether it's
interdimensional nuts and bolts craft or a combination where where the lab animals for them
to study. And I don't feel there's any threat because we would have been
toast a long time ago if that was their intention. So I looked at
as a great opportunity that maybe maybe someday they will land on that proverbial white
house lawn and finally feel it's time to openly communicate. Oh, you know,
so I kind of agree with that. I think I think that we
are likely to be their pets, lab animals, for sure. Anybody who
knows me knows that I'm a fan of Valet, and I read a lot
of his stuff and recently reread something where he said that the whole phenomena is
a projection, and he wants to find the projectionist. Whatever we're seeing,
whatever we're immersed in witness far as a phenomena is concerned, UFO's high strangeness,
it's something that he believes is created to divert us from who they really
are and what they're really doing. So hence the analogy of we're looking at
the projection, we're experiencing something like a film, but he wants to get
to who it is that's behind the projection that we've seen. It's interesting,
I think with their pets. Yeah, I just got a tax wander from
Dan Alioto. He thinks you're dead on he was on earlier. You know,
I mentioned this on my very first show, and I'll just bring it
up because I don't know if you ever heard me talk about this, but
I've talked about it a few times over the years. And that's before I
was before I was even really looking into this topic deeply in any type of
way. I had an insurance broker back in the nineteen nineties who came by
my house to sell a life insurance policy, and we got to talking about
all different types of things, and then eventually he somehow he said he was
in Vietnam, and I said, well, what did you do? What
did you do in Vietnam? Exactly where you in combat? And he kind
of like chuckled and he said, no, actually, I was in a
Special Task Force in the Air Force, studying. He said, he ready
for this, studying UFOs. So I said, oh really, And you
know, again, at this time, I didn't really have much of an
interest and he said, yes, they were showing up during napalming and they
were uh, and then he went on, you know, and also they
have an interest in our nuclear weapons and things like that. So anyway,
I don't you know, I had known this guy for a while, but
um, interestingly enough, you know, he seemed pretty well versed in the
whole topic. And I've been trying to find him and I can't. But
one of the things I said to him, well, why why does a
what does the government think they're about? What does the government think of them?
Why they're here? And he said, we're basically a petri dish and
we're being observed, and you know that's the deal. And um, but
I mean that is another, you know, another theory. And again I've
tried to find this guy. I would love to be able to talk to
him today, but um, I can't. I can't find him. I
don't know. I knew he had like a tuna fishing boat or something,
and I know his name, Um, but I can't. I can't seem
to locate him. I'd love to talk to you. I feel like you
watched Forrest Gump and then confused some some aspects of reality. Maybe they're like
they always say about the contact these and abductees, where they they smoked a
joint and then imagined every during like always always. But I think you've seen,
you've seen for us. He was on a I guess it was a
shrimp boat. It was a fishing boat, But I did. I do
think this might have been pre Gump, all right, positive well, you
could have always retrospectively imposed those ideas, which I also here. It's ridiculous,
though, like, if these people are having these experiences, it doesn't
matter how many hits of acid you take, how many joints you smoke,
how many times you watch close encouns of the third kind. That's a real
experience for you. And we need to recognize that as a real thing that
happened to these people and stop demonizing them and ostracizing them for these things that
they're brave enough to But I've never had an experience with Maybe it's easier for
me to say that, but I don't know. I think we can learn
a lot, no, I think, and it's it's really interesting that all
the people I've met over the years that have never had a UFO experience and
still think this is an amazing topic and still take it seriously. There's Dape.
Hello, Yeah he's back. Yeah, while you were gone, we
just solved the whole problem. It's oberies that are easier to tackle. To
do with your archives. Now, I'll give it to you and m they're
waiting for it. I do like the idea and some of we talk about
on my show is Von Newman probe, and this idea that an advanced civilization
would create a probe like we do, like we send the Mars or any
other celestial body, and when the probe gets there, it's able to replicate
itself and create matter and then move on to the next solar system and over
a few thousand light years, you know, you can explore a really big
chunk of your own galaxy and possibly even more by these you know, self
replicating machines. Um. It doesn't explain, really, you know, the
abduction aspect of it very well. Um, But it's it is something fun
that I do find fun to think about. What did you say that was
Von Newman probe? I had an article that came out on that not long
ago. Yeah, I had a I had a gentleman named Chris Pittman.
He's consider he's been in a, you know, The Phenomenon, a few
other films, but he's been looking at the UFO topic for many years.
And I was very surprised to hear him say that. The question came in
the chat room with what, well, what do you think they are?
And uh, he said, well, I think they've always been here and
if you're they're just part of like an energy or something and that manifests itself.
It was quite quite a fascinating, quite a fascinating idea of that he
had. And that's that's one of the things that keeps me going in the
show is talking to people and listening to all the ideas of what the possibilities
are. It's fascinating to me, Martin, if I if I can pitch
in on this, yeah, believe me, the last few months has caused
me to rethink a lot of not just the phenomenon, but the people and
how much what I've noticed here and just those of us speaking trying to come
up with possible theories is nobody really knows each of those. I tend to
go and I kind of appreciate it. At least Linda's perspective, which is
Okam's razor, shows that what we're doing, another intelligent species very likely might
do the same. So and some of the cases that I've looked into to
suggest obviously physical objects land and move the soil and do whatever. But if
they're time travelers, I mean, at some point, if you reach a
technological state, and the universe has been around as long as it has,
it would be naive to not assume that we may be getting a mixture of
things, some that are travelers like us, that are more advanced than even
them, Some that may reach a level that we would almost have to call
spiritual or magic because we can't conceive. But then the only ones that we
can interact with are the ones that at some point enter our level of what
we call reality, where our instruments in our equipment can actually test for them.
And I don't deny anything, but what I also have come to realize
is people tend to invest a lot in what they say they know, when
really there are things that we think and things that we believe. And I'm
a big you know, sometimes leave belief alone if it helps people and they
need it leave it alone from a psycho psychology perspective, but there are beliefs
that end up which we've seen over the past year or two, that can
end up going awry and leading people into areas. And unfortunately, there are
people who will want to mislead you because of their whether it's you call occultists
or con man. That's a dangerous thing if you're not willing to look yourself
in the mirror and way your own beliefs and against what you think, and
you're entitled to and to claim what you know. I mean, I've decided
there's only one or two things that I confidently can say I know. Beyond
that, everybody's level of proof is what you mentioned Kurt his podcast, and
he made a point he said, in science, there's no proof. There's
just evidence what people say they know and what they believe they can prove and
what they accept. That's the difficult thing because in a way, we all
have to kind of come to terms with each other and acknowledge that there's limits
of what we actually do know, and then we each have some preferred beliefs,
things that we hope. But unfortunately I've found that too often there are
people who have beliefs or their own personal feelings or animosities or whatever it is,
and they tend to want to shut down someone else's approach just some other
perspective on it. And it's, you know, the old saying, we
have seen the enemy and it is us, but to a great extent our
own ignorance and wanting to feel that we've got a grip on something. And
you know, we shouldn't shut down any conversation or any alternative ideas because other
than that, like a friend of mine said, you know, you have
five theoreticians and one research person, and the researchment says, unless I can
take it into the lab and test it, it's all talk. And in
a funny way, that's true. It's easy to get the theories. It's
harder to get in there and prove what it is. But we shouldn't discount
other people's ideas, although in the case of a Jolly, it's tough for
her to prove things when she gets cut out of the ranch where she can't
go. I don't know. I mean, I've read I am to have
convictions about Paul Benewitz. And the reason I bring that up is because I've
noticed in that ten years of the nineteen eighties, how little people realize because
the minute you start talking to him, his ideas seem absurd and a lot
gets planted on him that he didn't start. And if it weren't for the
fact that I happened to ask him what got him started and he showed me
those images from the film that changed everything. A lot of the stuff that
said and has come out on the time. So just because someone has ideas
that are bizarre, go back and find out what started and think an't way,
and let's at least keep the conversation open and to not shut down listening
to other people's opinions. But also we know things major things we think or
that we believe. So okay, that's enough. Chris, just real quickly
on the Paul Benowits thing. Um, what do you think about Richard Doughty
just showing up on all these like they're giving him so much credit as being
someone important when he was the one that really was boys. No, uh,
let me put let me put this on mute. Yeah. Um,
there's point, there's a point at which I'd say, no one can excuse
themselves by just saying it was my job. Yeah, in a way.
I look back and think that's what a lot of the Nazis tried to use.
Yeah, I mean, not to equate to Unfortunately, Paul, and
there are some videos if you watch a doting where he's Paul was a patriot,
he hung his flag out. But also does that people that are easy
to fool And I'm like, wait, Paul called the Air Force only because
he was trying to tell them something he thought they might not be aware of.
Yeh. He happened to be on the roof of his house with his
camera equipment, a lot of it. Unfortunately, I don't excuse anybody coming
along after the fact. And to this day I've seen pictures of him at
conventions with people wrapping the arms drum like he thinks he's some celebrity. I
mean, I get it. I know you can't tell anybody everything in there
are natural secrets, you know, I understand that. But after a while,
after a citizen and that's all of us here, would he justify doing
that if someone did that to his son or his parents, to allow someone
to basically push them over the deep end just by disinforming themselves. And I
see that and other I won't go into it today. But I have a
couple of examples. We could talk about it right now, things that I
feel like, you know, the whole I'll just put it this way,
the whole idea of a tip and off stap. Twenty two million was for
a Pentagon program, but Noah wasn't. It was for ADI contract. But
in twenty seventeen, all these main characters knew that it was not twenty two
Pinnagon program. It was twenty two million for the di I contract. So
what was a tip they all knew. They had to have known Harry Read
to know after the others Lou had. Did nobody bother to say anything about
it? Then? I mean, I'm a big believer or so okay to
make mistakes, but correct it, come back, own up to it.
At least that way, nobody else was going down the wrong path. So
there's something about all of this that's somebody's not There's an effort all the way
from Paul Benwitz to this day there are people who apparently behind the scenes don't
want to be outed or don't want to come out. Maybe there's a consequences.
I don't know, but I just at some point you ask yourself,
what happened to Paul other people like that? Yeah, would it be okay
with you if they did that to your son or your father who thought he
was doing the right thing. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not not
to say I'm a boy scallot. I'm just saying there's a point at which
you we need to look at each other. And this is what we're all
in this for, is what we can learn, what what whatever the truth
might be, and for in a case like this, this isn't just who
killed Jeff k a human situation, This is something far larger. Yeah,
And I think any of us, honestly, what we should change. We
need you, We need some unified for among those of us who want to
Because you call your congressman, and I've tried it. If you don't represent
to you, you know who do you represent? You know they don't,
they don't want to talk to you. But it's raising raising the demand.
I think that. Yeah, but it's just tough call. I'm just not
getting any older guys, So young guys need to get on. Um.
And speaking of that, um, do you think there's there's any one want
to tackle this wrong? I think there's any young people coming, you know,
younger people interested in this. I mean, you do, David,
what do you have to say about that thing? Oh? Me? Oh,
I'm sorry, Michael, Michael, you said you're shaking your head.
Michael, I was, yeah. I mean, go on UFO Twitter,
interact with anybody on UFO Twitter. There's there's new researchers, there's new podcasters,
there's there's people all the time coming up that are are younger, going
to conferences. I just gave a talk at the mcmon mcminimon's UFO conference a
couple weeks ago. I was blown away by how many young people were there.
There was a twelve year old kid got up and asked me a question
at a microphone, like I mean, obviously that's an extreme example, but
for on the whole, I think in general there's definitely more and more people
there should be. And one thing I've noticed too, I completely agree with
everything Chris said that we need to keep an open mind to every possibility.
Nobody has the answers, and all we can do is take an evidence based
approach. Clearly, evidence is hard to come by, but the more we
move forward and the more we have conversation that are inclusive and less divisive.
We're going to bring more people and and some of those people are going the
younger people that continue this conversation. But what I found too is that a
lot of people, if they're really really interested in they've had some experience that
brought them into this. They have a reason to be here. I just
had a conversation with somebody at a party over the weekend that was talking about
my book and all of these things that happened to her, and eventually it
came out that her sister had a very close encounter in their whole family,
and oftentimes it's lineages that have these encounters, so there was a reason for
them coming. And the more we talk about it in legitimate, non divisive
terms, try to take the best we can in evidence based approach, I
think the more we'll bring people into the conversation that have had those experiences and
those that have always said on the outside because they think we're all crazy,
people were in tinfoil hats. I don't know. I think that's all we
can do. It's going to be a slow process, but I think ninety
nine percent of people you've had on this show, I'd say one hundred percent.
I haven't seen everybody, so I'm trying to give myself an out in
case there's a whack job that I didn't account for. But then, also,
like Lispagel said earlier, you do a good job of this. You
bring people on that have something to say. You have an audience that asks
awesome questions. When I was on your show, I got asked the best,
most informed questions, and that indicates to me that the whole conversation is
evolving and we're all trying to get to a place where, even if we
don't have the answers, we can at least acknowledge that we don't have the
answers, but we can continue to ask questions that might eventually get us there.
Thank you, Thank you, Michael h hang on just one second.
I mean you'll let you talk next. But Michael, the the the thought
occurred. I think I threw you this in a I think you might have
thought I was joking, but I'm not sure. But I think I threw
you a text or something and said, what if the time travelers that you
know in your your theory, the time travels that look like rays or whatever,
what if they are saying humans get wiped out, We wiped ourselves out
through whatever in the future, and then a new species eventually evolved, like
a million and a half years from now, which sounds like a lot of
time but really isn't when you think about the you know, the the age
of the plant in the solar system. Yeah, what if a new species
evolved, like you know, we evolved the mammals because of the you know,
the dinosaurs, you know, getting a sinc Who knows what they would
have done if they kept going, if they could have gotten smarter and all.
That not my idea at all, someone else's idea that I spoke with.
But still, do you think it's a possibility the time I do are
a whole different species? Well, I think most of the ones, especially
the ones that are entirely human. And in my new book, I'm highlighting
a number of cases where they are clearly humans. They speak vocally, some
speak telepathically, they look like us, and then there's the whole gamut.
Some have slightly more evolved traits, and then you talk about the grays,
where we're looking at maybe twelve, fifteen, twenty thousand years in the future.
But me and Whitley Strieber went down this rabbit hole. One day,
he invited me on his podcast and we started talking about whether the mantids the
reptilians could be us from a post human I shouldn't say us, a post
human world where they eventually evolve this advanced state of technological development, come all
the way back from tens of millions of years in the future, if they
have that t oology, And clearly insects and reptiles have stain power on this
planet. They've been here way longer than mammals have. So we're kind of
joking around. But the idea made sense too. And in the same way
that we got dinosaurs. I don't know why I touch we to everything.
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm not a reptile. But the same way the
dinosaurs got wiped out and then mammals could evolve because of all of these empty
niches and the adaptive radiation that happened after that, maybe there's another adaptive radiation
after humans. I think. I think the humanoid ones are certainly US,
or of a future version of us, but after that, who knows.
I mean, it could be any species that survives past us, and there's
likely to be some Yeah, interesting, Irene, you had your hand up
you wanted to Yeah, just a couple of quick things, just quickly going
back to the younger people. Giant from Project Unity is a quickly rising star.
To an example, for the interview with Ross, you got seventeen thousand
k views, which is fantastic. I think he got fifty four thousand.
He's only twenty five, twenty six. He's got quite a following amongst the
younger set. So yes, in the answer to that, I think there
is a rising and exploding amount of information, good information that's come in the
last couple of years, and an exploding amount of podcasters and people furthering and
being information or grabbing the hold of information and pushing it along. Also,
just wanted to ask you quickly, Michael. Back to Michael, the Eric
Davis stated that with time travel that you can only go back to the point
where the time travel has been invented. So if they're coming to us now
or if they've come to us in the past, I mean, there's a
lot of evidence that these entitas have been with us for a long time.
But how do you reconcile the physicists belief that Tom Travling canani start from the
point where it's inventied. So if it was invented in twenty and twenty one,
the only able to come back to two them in twenty one and not
earlier. Yeah, I addressed that in my first book. It's it's an
idea that's been around for a while. Uh. One of the first books
about time travel I read by Paul Davies, who's a really well known and
well respected physicist, talks about that same limitation um. However, if you're
talking about going back in time in the context of global time, so you're
moving into the global path where all of these things around you are happening.
They're still moving into the future. But you construct a capsule and any sort
of device that thing when you're manipulating space time within that time frame, within
that reference frame. As they say, I see no reason why once you
get to the point where the first time machine was constructed, all of a
sudden just breaks apart into pieces. It goes back to all of its composite
pieces that went into building it. You're separate from global spacetime at that point.
There's no reason why in that specific reference frame you would be subjected to
all of those other aspects of global spacetime. It's just it's one of these
things, like the many world's interpretation of quantum mechanics higher dimensions. It's one
of these things that is said very often. Up until about two years ago,
most physicists were with the idea that backward time travel wasn't even possible.
I strongly believe that that aspect of backward time travel is eventually going to be
proven wrong because logically it doesn't make sense. I'm not a physicist. I
can't out all of the equations for why that might be, but just basic
logic indicates that if you're separating localized space time from global space time, there's
no reason why why that should happen. Well, that that kind of brings
me to another topic that I hear a lot of people commenting about the possibility
of travel from you know, far distances to hear by doing something with space
time, you know, like warping space time. And I don't know how
that actually plays into all of this, but it certainly would be one of
the answers to if whoever they are is traveling vast distances, that would be
a way they would somehow get here. I mean that's another really fascinating topic.
Well, can I just say just to give you something a little a
little bit of hope for the future. So because I mean I'm new,
I'm new to this whole field. I'm brand new to this. But you
see him young too, just as people morning one. Hey that's young,
I mean conference, that's very young. You're out, stay corrected. Um.
But in in in April twenty fourth I did an event called the Big
Phone Home, which was a gathering of folks like this, a very like
an open style panel where we whoever is watching, whoever is joining the panel,
is trying to convince their their fans, their followings to make a phone
call, call your congressman, call your local state representative, and ask them
the hard questions. Because you're a taxpayer and you deserve it. You you
you, you pay the taxes for all the fancy toys. We deserve some
answers on this topic. So the first time I did this, obviously I
was an incredibly small channel. Martin, you were so gracious to help me
out and help build word and and so during the fifth the first Big Phone
Home, we had five hundred mentions, seven point two thousand interactions, we
reached one point three million people and had six and a half thousand shares.
When I did the Second Big Phone Home in what was it now, September,
I think, I don't know, these months are melting together. But
during the Second Big Phone Home, we had three hundred and one thousand interactions,
We reached forty nine million people, and we had eighty five thousand shares
in two hundred and fifteen thousand likes, And we had a website that laid
out how people could contact their local state representatives. But not only that,
we had people like John Greenwald right contact letters for us. So the letter
you send, you could print it out, you can mail it, you
can email it, and we've got responses. And the passion for this grows
every time I do it, and it is it's young, it's old.
Some people think we're crazy. You're never going to get answers from the government.
I say to them, well, we've never tried, We've never organized
and tried to do it on the same day. And I mean for me,
as one of these younger folks who's just sort of, you know,
stumbled into this, not really, I mean I had an experience and then
met Lou Alesando and then Martin Willis is the one who inspired me to start
the show. Alejandro Rojas, those were my first inspirations to sort of do
this, and it's working. Like if you just see what's happened in the
last two weeks from a political perspective, and I'm for me, the best
piece of evidence is something that I could put on the desk of a congressman
or senator and say you need to look at this, and then it convinces
them to start thinking differently about this topic. Right here, I'm holding in
my hand and what has been dubbed as the Jilla Brand Amendment, and this
is to me, the most important piece of legislation that has ever been written
on the UAP topic. And we're winning. This is happening. And I
mean just the first thing that they mentioned in here, civilian personnel employed,
buy or under contract to the Department or an element of the intelligence community shall
have access to procedures by which they shall report incidents of information, including adverse
physiological effects. That's the first thing they ask for, is to know more
about physiological effects. This is it's a bipartisan bill that's about to get very
little resistance and be signed into law within the next two weeks. If this
doesn't excite you as a researcher, as a fan of this topic, as
as someone who's been dragged through the mud, and I get to stand on
their shoulders of all of you and start doing a different kind of work because
we all hear, oh, call your congressman, call your senator, but
no one's ever shown us how to do it in the verbiage that we need
to put on the table to get the attention of a congressman and senator.
First, big full of home, we had no congressman senators talk to us.
Second, big phone home, we got Congressman Tim Burchett to come and
talk to us. We reached out to Marco Rubio and Ruben Diego and all
of the intelligence communities that have to do directly with this UAP topic. So
for me, that's what fuels my fire, and that's what I think the
younger generation is really because look, a lot of these senators and congressmen,
they weren't around in the fifties and sixties and seventies. They don't know the
history on this. But we need as citizens, especially in the United States,
and I recommend all countries do this. We have to look in the
mirror and say, Okay, what can I do to try and get answers?
And I think the best thing you can do is contact your local state
rep. You'll be shocked. Most of them have no idea about this bill.
Most of them have no idea about about that. There's a there there.
I'm not gonna tell anybody what it is because I don't have any answer.
It's just like I don't think anybody on this panel does. Going back
to what Christian said, but there is a there there and they need to
start paying attention to it. And as taxpayers, we have the right to
not all the answers, but at least some of them. And so just
to just to say from a younger person's perspective, and I definitely don't feel
younger. Um. I think I think we're heading in the right direction.
And I think this conversation is about to change in a very substantive way that
at least excites me. I don't know how you guys feel about it,
but that's all I want to say. Well, well, thank you for
that. I'm just popping this up right now. Uh irene It says,
uh just because I know you know Ross or it says Ross Coldhart just announced
on Twitter he's got something major news revelation coming out on Thursday. Have you
heard about this or do you have any idea what it is? Irene Um
silf Um. Yes, he has something on Spotlight again, so I think
we don't really know what he's releasing, but we've heard that he will be
putting something out on Channel seven Spotlights, so we'll all get to see it
down here. Don't he any clues of what it is, but he's been
digging. I know that he's been digging, and a lot of people since
his documentary down here have approached him and us as researches as well. People
were coming out of the woodwork with quite fascinating You know, people have been
especially frightened in Australia because there's a lot of a lot less openness than it
is obviously in the United States to talk about this. For instance, we
had a senator on the twenty seventh of October, a senator from Tasmania query
the Federal Parliament and was his questions were directed to the Air Force Marshal,
Australian Air Force Marshal about whether we have had a similar thing happening in Australia
that the up the UFP task was has revealed in the United States, and
what's happening with the gillibrand or whatever with Australia. But something emotion similarly and
this was kind of like treated though he was a bit of a lunatic,
and they didn't, they weren't. They were very polite. He was directed
to Maurice Paine, our Minister I think of Foreign Affairs. Um she She
and the Air Force Marshal which is sort of fobbed it off and said that
they didn't know of anything. And then on the very day ross Coult paid
one um onto um sorry, I can hear dogs barking. Ross Coult had
came onto ABC Radio, which is our government funded national very popular UM media
outlet, and debunked what they had to say and he stated that he has
it of evidence that Australia has been tracking deep space objects. We've got,
you know, basically what he's been saying his interviews. He reiterated in interestingly
that radio interview has been taken down. I would try to find it so
that I could give you guys a link to it, but it's just not
there. It was only on there for a short time, but it was
an interesting, really strident debunking by Ross of what was said in parliament.
Um. Yeah, so I think there could be something in connection with that.
I don't know. Yeah, well, thank you for that. Dave
Marler. I have a question for you just and you know the question I
posed earlier. You have been doing this research for a long time. You're
the Your great work on UFO tangle triangle or UFOSS fascinating. And by the
way, I was visiting in Arizona last week and talk to someone that had
a his mother had a triangle UFO sighting. Was it nineteen forty eight?
It was, I believe nineteen forty eight, which is which is pretty amazing.
But the question I want to ask you, Dave, with all the
research that you have done in all these years, do you have an idea
of what you think that we are being visited by? What's your thoughts on
that? You know? I think I echo what a lot of the statements
have been made previously. I think the the non sequitur when we go down
this pathway where we ask for what is the answer to the UFO mystery?
There is no answer singular. I think there's probably as many of the other
panelists alluded to, it's multiple, overlapping phenomena plural. I don't think it's
one thing. I think it's overly simplistic to try to attribute one answer,
one source to whatever we're dealing with. And so, you know, as
you know Martin, I don't like to speculate too much. I just like
to look at the data, look to see if there's patterns in the data.
And really, at the end of the day, as I think again
many of the panelists alluded to, each individual has to formulate their own conclusion.
You know, there's been some great discussion here, you know, Michael
referencing the younger people coming on board and Christian talking about belief versus knowledge.
I mean, these are always things I like to talk about, but they're
important to talk about. But in addition and addend them to the younger generation
that's getting involved in the subject. Now, I've noticed there's a whole new
generation of older people that are now reaching out and expressing interest. And I
have just two very brief examples. Approximately six seven months ago, I did
a local Albuquerque live radio show and we had callers calling in, and one
gentleman claimed that he was a retired lieutenant colonel in the Air Force. And
when I'd mentioned I have the original project goobook files here and doctor j Allen
Heinex material, he expressed interest. So I asked the producer offline to get
his contact information or given mine and maybe we can get together. And about
three or four weeks after that, not only did this gentleman show up,
he brought a retired colonel in the Air Force with him. Now, I've
been doing this for thirty one years, and that's not as long as there's
some people like Chris on the panel. But in all these years, I
never had a retired Air Force lieutenant colonel and colonel coming to my home to
sit here at this table behind me to talk seriously about the UFO subject.
And I can only attribute that to the New York Times article, the subsequent
media coverage, the Pentagon UAP report, whatever we think of it. You
know, I think for those that were disappointed, you set the expectation bar
too high. That's just my own personal opinion. But at the end of
the day, and I was having a conversation with Barry Greenwood about this taking
a step back. Even though it substance, and admittedly it was a declassified
report, it was a preliminary report for the general public, so we got
to keep that in mind. But at the end of the day, the
takeaway is this and for those that have been doing this for a long time,
official acknowledgement that there is a phenomenon, and you know, even though
it was devoid of case details and it didn't get into the history, which
was my biggest as a historian. That was my biggest angst is if you
read this report you knew nothing of the subject, you swear all this started
in two thousand and four. It didn't allude to the history. Chris,
I knew that would get your laughing, because I'm sure that was your impression
as well. If you didn't know anything about the subject, you'd swear this
all started in two thousand and four. But right, but taking into accounts
some of these things that the panelists were discussing, we do have a younger
generation now wanting to look at this subject. We have older individuals that told
me point blank. In fact, I had a gentleman that works at a
bank in New York City came out here to see the collection, and Barry
Greenwood and jan Aldridge were here at the time, and one of them asked,
you know, when did your interests start in the subject? Oh,
the New York Times article came out in twenty seventeen. So we have older
people that never gave the subject a second thought now interested in the subject,
including retired military individuals like the two gentlemen I spoke with. We have a
younger generation, as we discussed earlier, that's now coming into the fold.
Chris, you were talking about the Benewits affair, and I too saw those
pictures where people were wrapping their arms around Rick Dodi like he was some celebrity.
I feel truly, and I don't mean to oversell this. It is
incumbent upon people that have been in this field for a long time, that
know the history, to convey that history to the next generation. Because if
you don't know the Rick Dodis that are out there, you don't know what
they were capable of. You're prone to fall for the same trap again.
And so with cases with the nefarious acts that have been conducted by certain official
or unofficial agencies. I just think we need to be aware of the history
as we continue to move forward with all of these exciting things that are happening,
like the Gillibrand initiative. So yeah, I think it's impressive to me
because I was going to bring up I'm all for Lewis, all four of
the young people pushing this. But I had a long talk today with a
friend of mine who's been at this longer than I have, and brought up
all the historical data, like the estimate of the situation, all of the
things throughout this time that have been going on that young people, because it
was asking me, well, are our congressmen ignorant or incompetent? And I
said, no, how many of the people on the street know what we're
talking about. How many of them, like you said, they weren't even
alive back in those days. So we're not going to be around here forever.
So if the young people don't pick up the ball and move it down
the field, but don't I wish they would stop in some cases and remember,
looking at the material that you've got. I wondered those two Air Force
officers go in there and look at that. Were they aware of any of
this? Had they heard suspicions? Now they're able to go back and look
through your material and suddenly I wonder if it's eye opening for them to realize
this has been going on for decades, more sixty or more years, and
things people like you said, and everybody thinks, well, even Ivy Loebe,
who I hope is successful, but initially it was not going to look
at any of the historical data only. But then he's connecting himself to people
who've been at this for a while now, which maybe a good thing.
But then, like you said, and the people who think, well,
even the D and I report, they didn't look at anything beyond two thousand
and four. I mean the reasons who thought that, you know, the
reasoning supposedly is because of technology. They wanted updated technology. Just Alejandro Rojas
might be popping in here. I'm trying to get him on so anyway,
but go ahead, continues, Well, now, I was just going to
acknowledge the fact that I that you mentioned Barry Greenwood and jan Aldrich and so
many times. I think, you know, those who forget the lessons of
history are doomed to repeat them. And if we're only going to be starting
these things since twenty seventeen or two thousand and four, you're forgetting. And
I don't know whether there's some heads would roll if people looked at them.
You know, eventually, when all this comes out and people look at the
history of anancy, who's been calling what shots? Where? There are people
who like the Pandora paper, the people who don't want to be caught with
their you know where the things they shouldn't have been done. But even if
you let Dodie off because he was stuck, he happened to be there.
There were people above him, There were people he answered to. I mean,
I would have loved to have asked lou because nobody seems to ask him.
Well, he said, two people came to him in his office and
asked him what he thought about UFOs. Okay, who are those two people?
Those are people who are connected up the ladder, so to speak.
Anyway, I'm done, Martin. You can go ahead and do whatever you
need or somebody else can speak. Oh no, look who joined us?
Who joined it? And good see everybody? Yeah yeah, um so I'm
glad you finally made it. I know, you know, I got to
visit you when I was out in California and I saw your command center and
all your monitors and how busy you are. A lot of people are saying,
where's Alejandro, Where's Alejandro? And you know, the only answer I
can ever give them is you're working like crazy. You're working a lot of
digging my way out of the pandemic pool that I got that so many of
us got ourselves into. So yeah, I'm just doing boring stuff, mortgage
stuff. So I'm just doing loan after loan after loan after loan, and
that's all I'm doing. Yeah, working, working, working, And so
I haven't really been, of course, as people know, plugged in,
at least those of you who are on social media, So like David,
I know you're not in there much. You might have noticed I haven't been
in there. Usually I'm in there all the time. Who knows that,
you know, tweeting away. So yeah, so I have been keeping tabs
a little bit, you know. And also still you'll be able to see
me on Ancient Alien soon, supposed to do something with Skinwalker soon, another
couple of TV shows been working with and then also in the background kind of
working on a couple of other projects. We'll see what those turn into.
I'd like them to turn into books, but just I think there's a lot
of stories to tell now. I think that you know, we all have
been in there for a really long time, and there's a lot of different
angles to share information with people. And I really think that there's a couple
of really big stories out there to kind of let the general public know that
they're interested and um, what's interesting on how this all stuff came always came
about. So it's sometimes hard for us to not you know, we're so
much in the weeds, usually day by day, and that's what kind of
helps by stepping back, too, is tending to take a bigger picture look
at things and think about, well, you know, what is what are
the pieces of information that might be helpful to the to the people out there
kind of overwhelmed by all this information that they're getting right right, Um,
yeah, you know, I mean I understand stepping back. I wonder you
know, I think it's it's probably good for anyone that's really in this to
step back. I had Chris Pittman on UM two weeks ago, and he
said that he he bailed out of the whole topic for you know, a
number of years, and you know, he's he's kind of reluctant carefully,
you know, stepping back into it. But uh yeah, I can understand.
I understand that you can get a different perspective when you're outside and looking
at looking in. And I also kind of feel like what I was seeking,
what I my big personal goal was met. My thing when I got
into this, and you know, when I was in journalism more and in
journalism school, was like, why is this story being ignored? There's no
good reason except for the giggle factor to ignore this story. And so my
big thing was to try to show look, there is a lot of credible
information, and I think it is a matter of how the information is presented
as well. And I think that's finally happened. And to be honest,
you know, I know maybe it's not always a popular opinion, but I'm
really excited to see what media and mainstream media does with this. I think
there are a lot of people who are doing a lot of good work,
people like you know, he's kind of a friendom a little biased, Brian
Bender, but you know, we became friends because of a common interest.
And I think, you know, people like Brian Bender working for Politico and
others are really their take is very interesting. They're embedded in their own groups
in in DC or at the Pentagon and such, and so they have a
valuable perspective, and I think it's really interesting to see what happens when they
dig in. So I love that aspect of things. So let them run
and see what they figure out. And I think personally that they are making
strides the other side of things. Besides, you know, the mainstream journalism
is science. You know, people like doctor Michael Masters there, and you
know others in academia who I think are doing some extraordinary What's great you know,
to take doctor Masters there as an example, what's great is when you
apply science and scientific kind of inquiry. I think that the results are amazing.
I think, you know Michael's talks, for example, the entire thing
is so interesting because he's taking it from you know, more of an academic
rigor and study, and he's making all of these these discoveries, you know,
that are related to work that people have already done. And then also
other scientists who are doing the same thing, Kevin Canue, of course,
Abbey Low. I think what they're doing is fascinating, and I think that's
just the tip of the iceberg in that whole arena's going to burge in,
and I think that that's where we're going to really see some ground shaking results
personally. Yeah, Linda just dropped out, and I figured we probably stopped
right at the top of the hour, seven minutes away. Yeah. Yeah,
but this has been really a lot of fun. We've discussed all kinds
of topics. We haven't quite solved the problem yet. We're getting close,
but good. You got a few more minutes. Yeah, that's true.
Pressure. Yeah, Um, all right, this, I'm gonna post this
one last question. I've asked a couple of different people this, and I
don't know if anyone wants to tackle it, but just say that we are,
um hype um, that we are being visited by another intelligence from another
planet. I'm going to go down that road that we are being visited.
What would make us so special? If there could be billions and billions and
billions billions of planets out there that are housing life similar to ours, why
would we be any special? Why would be we be visited in particular?
Anyone want to tackle that? Yeah, I'm just going to answer it and
kind of turn your question around. Maybe we're not that unique. Maybe We're
just one of many stopping points, one of many areas of study. We're
just one petrie dish in the great cosmos, and that you know, we're
number six hundred and forty nine of many different species that are being monitored and
evaluated and cataloged. And you know, maybe we're just one big, you
know, multi thousand year, multi thousand year longitudinal study, anthropological study of
just yet another semi intelligent and I use that very carefully, semi intelligent species
that is, you know, still surviving, but you know, walking that
tight rope of armageddon, you know, with some of the behaviors that we're
engaged in. Yeah, absolutely, I tend to agree with David. I
mean, and in fact, part of it not long ago, and I
downloaded the picture and kept it. I saw a picture of the pale blue
dot, the small image of the Earth way off the distance, and you
realize, we're a small speck in this huge corner out here, and we
think we're special because we're all we know, I mean, always related to
some small island with some pygmies off the coast of Borneo, and they think
they're in charge of everything, but we don't particularly care. But I heard
a theory that it was attributed to somebody I could name, but I don't
want to name him. But it's someone that gave me a lot to think
about, which was many of what we've heard, the encounters that we've heard,
they act more like scientists as opposed to invaders, and thinking of it
from the perspective of, yeah, there's the picture, from the perspective of
scientists going to far off places to see what's there, similar maybe to some
of our guys who go down to the Amazon and look for us odd fungus
on a tree because they may bring it back and it may serve some use
for their own reasons. And for those reasons, they may be coming out
to these far corners of the universal our age of the galaxy out here,
and we're interpreting it Hollywood versions most of the time. You know it's some
kind of threat. Well, I guess you know. The Indians were probably
right to see the white man as a threat from that perspective, even if
there was nothing anywhere, like the Hawaiians saying the first Europeans, there's nothing
they could do about it. And at the end of the day, I
have a suspicion that we're not that special. I mean, fortunately, we're
going to hopefully become a part of something greater. But if you could get
whatever you want and you can travel around the universe, of what are you
going to worry about going out here and conquering some small, tiny blue spec
out here in the middle of nowhere. I still want to know. I
still want to know what it is. I want to I'm with favor right,
I want to fly one of them. But yeah, but the idea
of that kind of that galactic zoo idea too, either or being watched or
yeah, I agree. I think David said it that it seems like there's
a research opponent to this, and whether they're from the future, or they're
from a different planet, or they're coming from a simulation or some conscious manifestation
that comes into our reality, they're clearly are interested in studying us, and
I think that's a big component of this phenomenon. But yeah, when when
when we try to play it up as a threat that makes people pay attention
in Congress, But I think all of us, no, it's not a
threat, and we've known that for a long time. But if they need
to play that angle to understand it, but yeah, I don't worry about
an invasion, that's for sure. Well, I think the James Webb Telescope
is gonna start to put the realization out there that we are not that special,
that this universe is teeming with life. And I'm excited for things like
that because I think it's going to really start changing the conversation on a national
level. Yeah, you know, while well, I'm saying, all they
have to do is be able to detect some type the chemistry out there that
would and all it takes is one one signature and biosignatures, and the conversation
is going to change in a real significant way. And it's not I think
that giggle factor that Alejandra rojas Uh puts up is gonna go away. Yeah.
Yeah, I think what Lucy's saying and what David even focused on,
and the idea that that Abril Haynes, the DNI, was on this recent
conference, and something tells me why would she do that? It kind of
makes me wonder, with James Webb and everything else, if there's not some
realization that ultimately they better get ahead of this topic now, because just the
idea, I mean, I could think of a lot of things people have
said, but for her after this to go out on stage and basically say
maybe, you know, maybe it seems to me it's a popular topic.
But I want to think, you know, like you guys said, you
know a lot of people say, well, we're like ants, you know,
to them, so why would they care? But we have people that
study ants. We have people that's their job to study ants. So kind
of, like Chris said, it does seem if it's going on to be
more scientific in nature, you know, that could be the interest. But
I also think, you know, getting back to all your points that we're
not special, is what we're going through is likely not special. There's probably
been a numerous amount of civilizations out there that are semi intelligent that are hopefully
potentially moving into another stage. So what we're going through is probably not unique
either and probably worthy of study. Especially if we are about to destroy ourselves.
Let's document how the earthlings on humans destroy themselves. You know. I
think that that that's another aspect to this, that what it's probably happened before,
what we're going through. Yeah, I can tell you, Sorry,
Martin, I was gonna say, this new bill has real teeth and it's
probably really going to have somewhere close to a billion dollars budget, and it's
going to be a permanent office on UAP studies that dives into the history of
this topic, going back not past two thousand and four. Like I think
we all want to have this discussion. Um, so I'm hopeful. I'm
incredibly hopeful. I think that this is going to have some power. It's
going to change the conversation. It's not going to give us the craft,
it's not going to give us the alien body, but it's gonna start I
think it. Like you said, you have a feeling that they're kind of
getting ahead of this conversation. This bill is exactly that it's getting. It's
getting ahead of the conversation. And you know, I love his enthusiasm.
I remember when I was younger and I had that, And don't think we
don't have it do we look older. I don't think we don't have it,
but at least there are people out there who do have that enthusiasm.
I think that it would be for the purpose of getting more funding for military
budget. The reason why I don't think that is because the largest military bug
that has ever been approved just happened without this, So no, I if
the military wants a budget, the military is going to get a budget.
They don't have to do this. Yeah you know. So that's that's where
I say no to that. If the if the military military just approve you
know, a hundred planes that cost half a trillion dollars for a hundred planes,
if they want the budget, they're gonna get it. They don't need
a UFO story to do it. I really think they finally care. They
finally are looking at cases like David Marler presents all the time and they're like,
hey, we didn't pay attention to these. We need to be ready
if this happens again. Um, and that'll be great. But they're not
going to share anything. That's why I get so excited about science, because
science is you know, they're all about sharing. Um. Defense is not.
Well. Bill Nelson's Bill Nelson's face when he talks about this is precious.
I just want to say hello to our better late than Never guest,
Greg Bishop. Hey, Greg, I was I was about to go down
and eat dinner and I see Greg show up slot Man, I'm starving now
I gotta say hi. You know, yeah, Hey Greg, Hey,
and and Michael actually sent me some um what did you what was it?
It was elk Elk summer sausage, I think is what it was. It's
amazing stuff. Thank you how you liked it. Well, I do have
to go eat soon, so I apologize fans you. I mean, I'm
not in a I'm in no hurry if anyone wants to hang out just a
little bit more because Dean Alioto is coming back in. Um. That was
great too, damn it. Hold on, I know we hear you,
Dean Chris. Hold on, okay, let me try. Now, are
you here one second? I promise you're looking very Hollywood too. Yeah,
I think we're connected. Can you guys here me? Yea, yeah we
here? Yeah, you were there the whole time. Man. Yeah.
Anyway, I'm glad you made it. Greg Um, I am true.
I'm sorry. I've I've I got sidetracked with something with my parents. But
I'm glad you're still going. So that see always wonderful people. We have
no idea why we're still going, but um, but I have appreciated um
everyone and Aljandro just came in a few minutes ago, so that's great.
And I know you have to leave pretty quickly, right, Uh, Michael,
I do. I'm starving and my balance between food and my stomach and
konak and my stomach is starting at the wrong directions. And this has been
a no I mean and and chairs again. You know, this is awesome.
Ten years congratulations, that's that's fantastic. But I do I do have
to leave, all right, all right, Hey, I look forward to
the next ten all right, all right, all right, Michael, great
talking to you. Take it so Greg. So what have you been up
too lately? I've listened to I started listening to one of your shows today.
You're still doing that a lot of fun. It's always you always have
interesting topics, great stuff. We have been talking about all kinds of things
here, the meaning of life and everything else. Well that's what that's what
you should do on podcasts. In fact, on my show, I try
to talk like I'll have somebody on like um uh Kevin Day, and I
didn't ask him about what happened on the Princeton. I asked him about what
had happened to him and how he felt about it, and so you know,
it's I try to go in an area where you know you hadn't heard
about before questions I want to hear answered, and so you know, that's
occasionally why I still do the show. Right now, I'm doing that you
uthology tarot thing with some friends of mine. Um yeah, I saw that.
Yeah, and is one of them Miguel from Mexico. Yeah, Miguel
Romero Red Build. Yeah. We thought a story of UFOs and ufology through
through the medium of tarot cards, and not not so you can tell the
future or anything, but just as kind of way of presenting the history and
these people and their backgrounds and their biographies and how they relate to others.
And it's it's just it's kind of like writing a history of ufology, but
you're doing it in pictures. So that's kind of that sounds interesting. I
just saw Ali Dean. Hey, uh, Dean, you said you wanted
to comment and something you sent me on something we're talking about. What was
that? You sent me a text You're not You're muted, Dean, hold
on, you're muted. Sorry, I had a wardrobe change heading out.
So but this is my moment where I kind of go into the Network movie
where Peter Finch says, I'm matt as Hell, I'm not going to take
it anymore. Yeah, yeah, So I'm I'm kind of really sick and
want to cancel this this statement, which is, you know, we're not
special enough, why would they want to interact with us? Um, life
is not special, folks. Life is in and of itself special, The
existence of it is special. It's a it's not an intelligence beauty contest.
So whenever I hear people talk about how they wouldn't be interesting us because of
this or that, as Alejandro mentioned entomologists, it's it's just that's not even
worth spending time on to say, well, they wouldn't do it because of
this or that. Who knows what interests other intelligence forms, whether they're manipulating
us or they're just watching us, and we have, you know, free
will. I'm just kind of you know, bored with that that we're not
interesting enough. It's it's kind of um, not just rude, but it's
it's so dismissive of life, you know, as as it exists. So
no more hashtag cancel that you take personal offense that aliens would not be interested
in you, and I I know that I'm not interested, but you guys,
you're so fascinating. It's i think you're fast so funny, funny.
Well, thank you for Dean, And it was me that posed that question,
so cancel me if you want. Oh was it you? I think
it was. Yeah, I'm right there right now, you're gone. Bunny
Story and John ten years and done. Yeah, that was it my last
show. Yeah, no interesting. So anyone want to Uh we were talking
different topics earlier. I know you have been listening teen but you know,
does anyone want to speculate anymore? I know speculating isn't always a good idea,
but you know, I like a lot of times I like to listen
to Greg because you know, I remember, Greg, you said something,
I'm not so interested in the UFO, But when that person drove by,
they saw a stuffed teddy bear in plaid or something like that. You know,
you like to pick up on these little subtle things that make something very
curious. And uh, yeah, there's there's two reasons for that one.
A long time ago, I interviewed Carla Turner if people remember who she was?
And she said something that really stuck with me, and it was to
me, the answer is going to align the anomalous details, which I really
took to heart. And the other thing is something that's going on right now.
If you know Earl Gray Anderson, who lives out here in LA he
said something to me a couple of months ago after I gave a talk for
him, and he said, UM. I asked him, you know,
how do you know when when one of your cases is worth pursuing, Because
he's a mophone investigator, and he said, if there's not something they tell
me that makes no sense whatsoever, I doubt that it's a that it's a
real case. If there's no you know, not something that like, they'll
they'll say, oh, I saw this thing come down, or I you
know, I got abducted or whatever, and then they say something like and
um, my grandmother called me from beyond the grave, or you know,
or just something that makes no sense whatsoever in the context of some kind of
experience. UM. He says that those tend to be the ones that he
believes or seems to think to have more validity. And there's a you know
that, I think that's a clue as to what's going on. You're the
weirder, the thing is, the truer it is. It seems like um,
and people are going to have to start accepting that because if something holds
together logically, UM, I don't think it's uh, it's not part of
the you know, it's not as much part of the UFO. Yeah.
And I think that the some of the answers or at least understanding of that
is going to come and looking at those things that don't fit in and those
anomalies and things that that A that a that a at least previously serious researchers
would throw out. They would they would you know, win over problem with
that is, how do you have any understanding of that? Now? That
could be part of the nature of like the enigma you're talking about, But
the problem is you can't have any understanding of something like that. Um.
That being the case, really yeah, well my my, um, how
do you understand the non understandable? I think in an oblique way that I
can't answer. It just seems like something that is so strange that we can
only look at it in metaphor and obliquely and not directly at it. Data
is good, Um. All the record we have that have come up,
you know, we have gotten up to this point are good, photographic evidence,
video, all that, but it still doesn't tell us what it is,
where it comes from exactly, at least in a way that most people
accept. So, you know, I kind of look at what Woodley Striebert
said a while back is that whatever it is, it's trying to contact people
and make sense to them in the most democratic way possible. And in that
case it becomes very subjective. And I think of you know, when you
see you know, I think all of you have experiences. You see two
people that have had had some kind of encounter, a close encounter, the
closer or the more, the more significant for them, and that they can
have completely different experience, but both know exactly what they're talking about. They
both know that they that they there's something in how they interact where they know
that they they have they've had They've both had a strange experience. Right.
You said something interesting in my doc Greg you were talking about wasn't just one
thing you were talking about how people when they go to investigate something, they
already have the answers that they want and so they're doing everything to support that
and not look around at all that I think I would love to see a
chart. It's kind of like the five stages of grief of how you know
your interest kind of an UFOs begins and then how it builds and it goes
to you from denial to acceptance, and then you start formulating these ideas and
then I remember all of them in my own journey, and I remember going,
well, if there's dead people on the other side, then they're traveling
in the astral plane. Done. I don't know how many times I've got
done, and then it morphs into something else. So I think at the
end of the day, what we're all trying to do is we're trying to
guess the end of the film and we're not supposed to a degree, and
so I think we have to kind of honor that as well. And if
we get little glimpse and stuff, good for us. Those are bonuses and
you ring that bell. But you know, if they want to be seen,
they're going to show us nuts and bolts. For seventy years they've not
shown on us nuts and bolts, regardless of if if the government has those
pictures are not. We all have phones and hopefully we spend time doing this
as much as this right, But yeah, that's my last two cents on
that. Well, may I just say, Martin, Um, I have
to go, but I wanted to just well, no, I think I
think we probably should wrap and uh um sorry, Greg, and I'll how
are you? Oh sorry? Are we supposed to rap? Yeah? Ye,
start somebody starting your rap? Okay, all right, I get it,
I get it, Okay, all right. No, but I was
gonna say, Martin real quick, I mean, just thank you for inviting
me to this and and you know, letting me be your guests today.
Um, if there's something that I've learned about you is there's a couple of
things. First of all, you're an inspiration and and you've inspired me and
and a lot of people have brought that up in this this almost three hour
panel, well more than three hour panel, And I'm happy that I know
you. And I've also have got to start leaning on you to get some
more guests on my show, because you know them all. And I'm so
happy to have been exposed to David Marler and Dean and Irene and Greg and
everybody who was on the show today and both of you guys, Alejandro and
Martin, both of you guys were such a huge, huge inspiration. And
you know, every time I flew a little too close to the sun,
you guys pulled me back a little bit closer to the atmosphere and got me
thinking in more logical ways. And I can't appreciate you guys enough for that.
And it's been an absolute pleasure and honor to be here. And congratulations
on ten years, man, I again, like, you do this once
a week for the last ten years. That's such a massive accomplishment. And
really, I mean their television show, those with way bigger budgets and things
that don't last anywhere near ten years, they're they're here and they're gone.
And I hope you give us another ten years because I'm greedy like that.
But I appreciate you. Hey, thanks so much. That was very nice
to you, all right, And there's no better thanks than you doing what
you do. I mean, it's so awesome that you're doing what you do
well. Thank you, Thank you. I was haying for lou there's no
better thanks you though it appreciation, But for Martin, I'll thank you.
No, I'm mad. I'm not gonna thank you for being here. I'm
gonna I'm like, why did you pull me off of stuff that was important
that I was making money doing. Yeah, time with this catch the character
and if anyone's looking for UFO podcasts and you see it, they have a
perfect five score run away. I don't want that. You want like a
four point five. You want to sit around there, maybe a four point
six, because you want someone who is going to throw down and give you
the real scope. And if you don't like it, that's okay. These
guys always do. Alejandro and Martin always do. Yeah. Well, thank
you man. Thanks. I just want to say from the legion of fans
that you have across the other side of the world, on behalf of the
you say that you have got many Australian fans, and I'd like to say,
on behalf of your many many Australian fans, thank you for your effort
and once again everything that everyone has said. That a massive achievement. Ten
years every week. I don't know how you do it. And you hold
down a day job on top of that. That's just miraculous in my turn,
so for anybody, and amazing level headed selection of you know, you
keep out the crazies and the misinformation largely. I think I think I really
appreciate the solid guests that you have. I speak on behalf of all Australians.
You listen to your podcast and the good quality information that um yeah,
it pushes more this more into the open. So yeah, thank you,
Markins, thank you so much. A great honor to be here. All
Right, Okay, everyone, I think we're gonna we're going to close the
show. I won't say rapp it, but we're going to close the show.
I want to hear David say something sentiment. Yes, David, okay,
oh wow, thanks wow. I have to hear you talk. Yet
it's anything to say on this topic. It's like high school all over again.
I sat in the back and tried to be quiet so the teacher wouldn't
call on me, and here you called on No. Obviously, I think
everything's been said this evening, but you know myself, and with all due
respect to all the panelists that have been on to night, I don't think
any of us are egotistical enough to think that we're going to solve this UFO
mystery. But collectively I think we can gain insights into that. And you
are a cornerstone of that community because, as has been demonstrated this evening,
look at all of your friends, your colleagues that are coming together to pay
tribute to you, and you've brought us together and so you know, that's
nothing but a positive as far as I can see. And not to get
too sappy or sentimental, but Martin, you're a good friend both on and
off camera. You are loved, You're loved by the entire group here assembled,
and uh, that's all I can say. Wow, very moving.
I think that with an apple. But all right, everyone, all right,
I'm gonna be popping you out and I have to talk about next week.
But thank you all so much, Martin. All Right, it's been
great, Thanks so much. All right, all right, pop pop pop
giving him by everyone, by everyone, all right, So that's it for
our show. Next week we have Ryan Stacy. We'll be back at the
regular time. And thanks so much everyone for hanging in there all this time.
And remember remember ten more years to keep your eyes to the sky.