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Well, hello, we did it. It's been ten years. Actually,

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I'm starting off by admitting that i'm
telling a little, tiny white lie,

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and that is it's tomorrow is my
tenth anniversary, but I'm celebrating a day

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early better than six days late.
So yep, tomorrow, ten years ago.

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The only one that answered my emails
was Stephen Bassett to begin with,

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so he'll be joining us at some
point to say hi. And tomorrow I'm

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going to be released episode number one
on YouTube and I will put a link

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in the show notes. And that
is the very first episode that I did,

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and that's with Stephen Bassett, and
you know, it could be a

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little bit better, but it was
okay. For the first episode, I

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gotta admit that it wasn't too bad. So I'm not going to spend a

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lot of time because we have over
forty guests and some extra people that are

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has decided they wanted to come in
and say hi too as well. And

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that's over the two hours span,
but we're going to go longer. After

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the time ends at eight o'clock Eastern
time, I think I'm going to extend

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the show, just keep going until
it kind of peters out a little bit,

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so we have a number of people. Hopefully we'll be hanging in toward

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that time. So the blog this
week is called UFOs over with Ville,

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Virginia by Charles Lee are a really
great blog, very interesting, fascinating case

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and how this guy was kind of
tortured just for having a UFO sighting and

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talking about it my guests. First
I have he was my stationary guest for

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the whole show, and then I
decided to do this anniversary show, started

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contacting people and lou runs a great
podcast show. Welcome Lou Hey, thanks

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for having me here, Martin.
It's an absolute honor and pleasure. Yeah,

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my stationary guest tonight. And so
the celebrity review Unidentified Celebrity, Unidentified

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Celebrity Review. I know it's a
terrible name, and you've done a lot

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of stuff. Luckily I was as
Steve Bassett, I was your first guest.

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I was honored to be that.
And you've done a lot to the

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community. Thanks. Yeah, and
your your phone home, your phone what

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was that called the phone home,
the big phone home? That very well.

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Now I want to bring Bill in
because Bill, of course helps out

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a lot, has helped out a
lot, and Bill, thank you so

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much for all the work you've done
in these several years. Good evening,

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gentleman, and I got to say
one and it's been an honor. And

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also meeting you at Pine Bush you
and Donna Um a couple of months ago.

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It is an honor to know you
a friend. Congratulations so on behalf

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of everyone at KGr right, and
I'm sure all those that are listening tuning

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in right now we a toast to
you and for many more years of doing

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podcast UFO UM continued success and the
great people you've had on this show and

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looking forward to working with you in
the future. Martin, So toast to

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you out of my sippy cup.
Now, by the way, this is

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cranberry juice. Yeah, that's what
Bill. Anyway, guys, have a

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great show, Martin, great consulations. Okay, So we have a couple

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of people we have in the background
right here. Now we have a class

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Vaughn from Sweden and it's like midnight
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us. And you know, Martin, it is tomorrow in Sweden, so

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I'm traveling. Yes, counts excellent. So hey, so thank you so

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much. Class. I thought of
you as one of the people I had

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early on the show, and I
appreciate your good work that you do.

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So let's see someone is saying they're
in, but I don't see them.

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M okay, but I'm still going
to bring in Kevin Randall. Hi,

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Kevin, welcome. I congratulations on
your tenth anniversary. Thank you, thank

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you. It's been it's been a
real pleasure. I've I've had nothing but

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fun doing this. I didn't know
how it was going to turn out.

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You know, when I first started, I thought, well, maybe everyone's

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going to be you know, the
tinfoil hatters or whatever, and then I

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started discovering that these are really intelligent
people. What is this saying? Incredible

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incredible things seen by credible witnesses.
But also there's a lot of people in

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this field that have never seen a
UFO ever, but they still know there's

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something going on and take it serious
and have done some great work. It's

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been a real pleasure. So class, just real quickly, you're you're super

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busy. Why don't you just talk
quickly about that. What you've been up

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to? Well, I don't know
the Corona situation here in Sweden's in all

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of the world. Have made the
talks zoom like it's not nice at all.

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But now I can travel again,
and I've been busy traveling to several

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cities here in Sweden giving talks with
full audiences and that is great. Lots

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of people asking questions about UFOs and
of course about what's happening in America.

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Everybody is curious about the American government
and the Congress and you know that stuff.

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I've also been busy today. A
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filming in the south of Sweden for
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i should say, which will be
aired next year, and that it's

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called UFO Sweden is the name of
the film, and the main character is

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named after me, which is very
nice of course. So yeah, I'm

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doing a cameo appearance in that movie. Oh really wow, kind of like

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ja Yeah, you could say,
I'm not kinick. Yeah. Well you

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can see behind class for those who
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books and things, and you have
one of the largest archives in the entire

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world on UFO material. Right.
Absolutely. I will travel to the US

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in March to a Rice University and
attend a conference called Our Character of the

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Impossible. And now we give a
talk about AFU or case for the unexplained,

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which is we think the largest or
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this unexplained psyches. So I'm very
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every day, every single the year
around and it's fifteen localities right now and

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right now, just a couple of
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transport from Toronto in Canada a couple
of palettes with you for material which will

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be arriving in Sweden in four or
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well, I wonder how that stuff
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interesting. It is interesting. Well, that's great. And one of the

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things I liked about talking to you
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subject serious. Over there. There's
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in other places in the world.
No, that's right Moting, And it

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seems that it is strange, maybe
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we have been working so many years
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trying to get help from them instead
of making them as antagonists. So

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now we can get the radar returns
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world can get from their military.
We can discuss things with them. We

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are helping each other and this has
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military and the academic society much better
than in other countries. Excellent, excellent,

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Well, thank you so much for
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for a while if you want.
I know it's you know, it's after

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midnight, as I say, and
I want to find out Kevin, what

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have you been up to. Well, I was impressed with all the work

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he's doing. I've been trying to
get the three books done. I got

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a call or an email from a
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Ust book, and I said,
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needs to be horribly updated, because
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there was no Project Moondust, and
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was a Project moond Us, and
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yes, thank you cos. And
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no actual Project Moondust. It was
the code name of the uf ohone investigations

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that would be being conducted by various
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officer and there would be a uf
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auspices. You'd use the code name
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project officer for that specific huvage.
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and make it clear that yes,
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wasn't quite what we thought it was. I did a book just handed in

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one project on level land, which
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seven where the UFO interacted with the
environment stalled car engines. I think witnesses

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at least thirteen separate locations independently reported
the same sort of phenomena with the car

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engines, and I discovered that not
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project book investigation suggested that he had
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the thing, but I found evidence
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but his car was stalled as well. And so that kind of updates and

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brings it into a cleverer picture.
I think that if we had spent time

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in nineteen fifty seven investigating that case
in the United States rather than Nightcap,

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the Non Keyhole Organization arguing with the
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and actually investigated the siding at the
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of different conversations there, and I'm
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that we can bring all of that
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Kevin Barry Greenwood was working he was
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that right on what I'm sorry,
on Project moon Dust, he did some

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work on it. Yes, Yes, he and Brad Sparks were great helps

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in doing the research, as were
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and helping me kind of focus where
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book is it'll be out in March, and it's updated and brings it more

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in line with what was actually going
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that was all about, and how
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years and years nobody talking about it. I actually found four reports and the

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Project Bluebook file stamped Moondust, and
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earlier, I've moon Dust the Project
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more about that. I now have
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digitalized. I've also got all the
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I've got a complete archive of the
Project Bluebook materials. Kevin, is there

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anything that you can confirm from like
what was the most exotic material that was

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collected by Project Moondust. There was
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of course, and people would say, well, Moondust was never deployed,

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it was never activated. We've got
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I think there was a case in
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lot of work on it, and
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and it suggests that there were a
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possibly CIA, deployed into the area
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I think that's a very interesting case. But we get very little, unlike

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I think class was saying, we
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this. They will deny things.
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I always pointed out it was on
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of the Customer massacre, another great
disaster. The report was virtually a ninth

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grade science report, which wasn't very
good, but they said, well,

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we will have another UM report out
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September twenty fifth, And of course
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learning through John Greenwald and the Black
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which means it's exempt from disclosure.
So our government is working to keep the

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information very where classes government is apparently
working to assist in the investigations. Wow.

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Interesting, just one, just one
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we have Dave Altman. Dave,
how are you? Hey, Hey,

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how's it going? Martin? Happy
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thanks for calling in and go ahead. Yeah, no, no, I

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just want to thank you for you
have done. You have done a lot

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for the show over the years.
You've you've monitored chat, which needs it

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sometimes, but you've also connected a
few really good guests, so I really

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appreciate that. Anytime. I'm glad
I could help. Yeah, excellent.

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Well, well thanks for the calling. You can hang out for a while.

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We've got we've got someone else new. I'm just gonna say hi too.

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All right. Actually, I'm gonna
get back to the chat and keep

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the moderating going. All right.
I appreciate that, Dave, take care

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and hopefully ten ten more anyway,
Hey, thank you, thank you.

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Yeah, I wouldn't mind doing ten
more years. It's been it's been a

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blast, and one of the great
things is meeting this fellow right here.

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Uh, Dean, how are you
alright? I'm sorry that I was late.

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I thought this was a coast to
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priority. So but hey, you
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I got? Oh Martin Martin?
What happened to Martin? We lost Martin?

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Well, if anybody hosts a radio
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for many of those you already back. Never mind, No, I've got

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other people on this and oh there
it goes okay. So I've got Mac

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Maloney. Hi, Mac, Welcome
Mac. I see her there. And

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look we have Chase Klutzky. How
are you Chase? Can you hear me?

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Chase? Uh? Is anyone hearing
me? I see that. It

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doesn't seem like Chase. Here's me, Chase, do you hear me?

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She she's looking, but she seems
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She's very happy, which is I
always love to see her smile. Yeah,

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Chase. Can you hear me?
Mac maloney, can you hear me?

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There? You are so happy to
see Dean like I haven't seen name

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since the last International UFO conference.
So hey Dean, Hey, sorry,

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we need to dump everyone. It's
just chasing. You need a minute,

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We'll get a get a room you
guys. Lauren, Yeah, you look

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wonderful as always. And I literally
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better than your ten year anniversary for
your show, and that is we have

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been friends for a decade and you
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of my favorite podcasts. Um.
I always feel so honored to be with

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you, so, you know,
just congratulations. Well that's that's extremely kind

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of you. Yeah, we've had
you were on the show very early on,

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right, yes, within the first
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intro, there's part of the our
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that is oh my god, I
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was you. Yep, Hey,
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it's cameras all mess up now.
Steve was my number one first. He's

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the only one to answer my emails. I didn't know of you Chase.

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I didn't know of any of you, any of you people. Matter of

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fact, I didn't email any of
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but I was looking up freshly into
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I'm going to play the very first
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Steve Welcome, Welcome, Am I
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am hi Hi. Yeah, yeah, you were the very first guest ten

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years ago tomorrow, that's when it
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deserved tremendous credit for picking up the
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Not everybody did that, but you're
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me and said, look, I
saw you way back, or I went

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to an ex conference or something and
got me into this issue. Not that

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this issue needs a lot of a
lot of boost to get involved. I

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mean, it's the most interesting thing
in the world. But you are.

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You are now part of the great
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kind of citizen journalism is going to
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ways and is certainly going to be
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And at ten years they teach you
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that coming. Yeah, yeah,
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what just just one second, Mac
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I'm terribly sorry. I know you
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I know you have to go live
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thank you for trying. And unfortunately
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people that are trying to get in
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have to boot him away. And
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come in and uh and Chase was
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warned me of that, so I
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but it was good to hear from
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We have all these people here from
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hanging in from Sweden and all.
Where are you these days, Stephen?

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I am right now in West Hollywood, two blocks from the orphanage where Marilyn

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to say a load of Kevin.
I haven't talked to him in a long

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time. Goes are going, all
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it's getting more fun every year.
So I'm splitting my time between Washington,

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DC and Hollywood, and I do
have some announcements coming up early soon.

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I'll be just about the last person
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Everybody else's gout stuff happening. Jimmy
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last two months. Hey, it's
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not getting any younger. Yeah.
Well, I was watching something night and

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you popped up, but I can't
even remember what it was. It was

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late at night and I was just
cruising the channels on UFO of videos,

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and there's Stephen Bassett. Well,
I hope I was fully clothed. That's

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all that time you were. Yes, that was kind of my thought too,

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that if it's late at night,
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not be the most oh lifting place
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That's true. Hey, Dean,
can you talk about anything that you are

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up to nowadays? I didn't think
so, but I'll talk about I'll talk

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about UFOs and aliens because I think
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UFO alien phenomenon, going back to
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kid, and then I had made
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cult thing, which was the first
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a UFO duction that I made an
eighty nine. And so Alejandro, mister

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Gateway Drug pulled me in happy Speak
at the convention and where I met Stephen

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Bassett and you pulled me in from
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I believe Martin, you were gentle
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time. Yeah, that was that
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that and then um yeah. And
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I as a as a filmmaker and
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that that there's you know, something
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and I wanted to look at it
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before, different point of view.
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it gets you, and that's where
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yanked me into the rabbit hole.
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on a three part limited doc series, which as of yesterday is uh is

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done and so um I will be
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and everything and the usual gang of
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the people that I've met at you
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also through your show where I would
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just coming. And uh so uh
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I'm kind of getting a little bit
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but as you know, it never
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but I'm really excited to share that. And uh, you know, it's

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been great because it's a really strong, you know, community of filmmakers as

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well. I consulted on James Fox's
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Jeremy Carbell and and there's a few
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a few of us, and there's
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that as well. And so distinctive
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been working at and the adrenaline that
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and you guys have been on much
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of the first early books that I
read that I quit opinion. I was

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like, Okay, now there's something
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close attention to was UFO Crash at
Roswell. So it's it's great to meet

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all your people and be able to
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navigate in this fantastic, wondrous world
and realize how little I actually know about

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everything, which is what they happened
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space. Yeah, I wanted to
thank you for mentioning my blog a different

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perspective when you said you came into
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appreciate it. That nicely done,
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over all these ten years, because
a lot of times I'll start to look

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into something and I'll have that I
got feeling that there may be an issue

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with a certain case, and sure
enough I find it on your blog and

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you explain, you know, usually
the problems with some of these things,

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So go ahead throw it out there
so the person looking the new person looking

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into this subject does not get let
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at www dot Kevin randalldob blogspot dot
com. It's called a Different Perspective and

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I think if you type a different
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fairly certain. And I've looked at
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cases, a lot of UFO cases, but I also dealt a little bit

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into some of the very treasure stories
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was able to talk to some of
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and we're telling me how it was
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for the treasure, and I thought, this is great stuff. They're going

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to be invited back to be on
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were telling me. So now mainly
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from that too much in the recent
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enjoyed your interview with Michael Horne about
the Billy Meyer case, and my goodness,

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you treated you treated him pretty well. For for that and um,

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you know, and you know,
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the show. I don't really like
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know Billy Meyer's images. If people
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going to think there's you know,
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it's it's not so. Um And
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States and and backs him up with
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I think gusts the kind of the
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gets very nasty. He did get
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spark a little bit of anger during
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only eve've done one interview where I've
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was because he had been he had
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a shill for the Air Force.
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and was saying the same thing.
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I was, well, who told
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Force? Well, I can't tell
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I mean, you're you're accusing me
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some evidence. And he finally ended
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and I would keep asking him questions, you no comment, and then he

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finally hung up on me, and
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exactly what I wanted to happen,
was him to get so angry and hang

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up. Yeah, yeah, Kevin, I should say that I very much

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appreciate what you're writing, and two
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read and that this doctor David Clark
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I can go back and say the
same thing to you because I looked for

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when I'm doing something that deals with
Sweden or the ghost Rockets or something like

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that, I always look for what
you've written and what you've produced on it

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because I figure it's the best information
available at the time. So I appreciate

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the great work you've done there in
Sweden. Thanks. And we also keep

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cut a lot of Billy Mayer material
in a FU. We have the louts

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of Mendel Stevens, Billy Mayer material, and a lot of original stuff from

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Billy Mayer. I'll tell you a
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I should say. Yeah. So
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Meyer stuff by mistake because mouf On
was having one of those imposiums and they're

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inviting all these people, these people
strange stories to be there, and Michael

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Hornet said something about Billy Meyer not
being invited. Nice, Well, if

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you're going to look at this stuff
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own mind, why haven't you invited
Billy Meyer? And then I also said,

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but please don't understand I don't accept
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Michael Horne went nuts, and I
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said, you know, I just
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and said, well, Lewin,
let me clarify my point of view.

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I think it's a complete total hope. He really went. So I went.

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McPherson Tape. I got a call
from the producer who knewed me from this

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Fox show called Encounters, and he
said, I have this footage and he

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started describing the footage and not even
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it's about this autopsy from Roswell And
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this is bullshit and he said he
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I'm going to make a lot of
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comes back to that. I think
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own movies. Um, there's you
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the Unexpected. It's a UK podcaster, um, and he's great, has

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a great voice, and he was
trying to tell me that your mission is

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to go out and debunk And for
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this way. Um, I go
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look at the fans and and you
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that some of the people are kind
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things that have no basis in reality, but they're also really enjoying it.

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fun, it's interesting, but then
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to actually disseminate something and get to
anything that's resembling a truth, or to

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just do research and track down commonalities. And so I think maybe there's a

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place where everyone, you know,
a spectrum, if you will, Um,

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you know, myers and stuff you
know has its place on one end

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of the spectrum, and and everything
without throwing my hat into the controversy,

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but yeah, I mean it's tough
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I can see when it's fake,
when something's coming out, it's pretty evident,

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and so um, you know,
no one wants to be mister Kiljoy.

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have no problem telling them as I'm
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it's it's it attracts everything. It's
it's kind of a microcosm of society,

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if you will. Right, we
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going to put Kathleen Marden up in
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story, Dean, is so funny
because you made this, this movie of

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an abduction and a family involved in
everything. And then when you're telling people

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out there this was my film.
It wasn't a lost you know, I

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mean a found footage thing. This
is my film. I made it,

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and people don't believe you. They're
saying, no, I know that family.

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I mean, it's a crazy thing. It's I've been a was of

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working for the government and a couple
of times and I don't unfortunately don't have

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the paycheck stubs to prove it.
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get you know, thrown into that
and it's humorous and I you know,

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I don't take myself serious. I
take my work serious. And I sense

407
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:21.240
that the nicest people that I met
have actually been in this community. They're

408
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:25.200
you know, they're smart, clever
and funny and affable. No one is

409
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.279
so rigid that things are breaking the
people that are like, you know you

410
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:30.720
guys and everything. So it's you
know, that was one of the things

411
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.920
that I learned once I started working
within you. Well, Dean, you

412
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.880
know that you've made it in the
UFO community when you're accused of being a

413
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:44.119
government agent. Yeah, that's right. That hasn't happened yet, is it

414
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:45.480
Okay? I asked you a question
real quick. Yeah, yeah, I

415
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.160
just have to say this. Um, we're giving me someone who's been in

416
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:52.880
a while, is going to have
other people trying to get in if someone

417
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:57.319
could drop out. I've got things
I've got to do. Gratulations on your

418
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:04.400
I Niver, congratulations on your tenth
anniversary. And uh, I'll be listening

419
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.759
to more of your shows and hitting
you up for guests periodically. You got

420
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.400
yes always always, Kevin, take
care. Thank you. All right,

421
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:15.880
I should go soon as well,
and I say hi to Kathlene and Jennifer.

422
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:22.279
Nice to see you. Well.
I can stay for another one minute

423
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:24.559
or two, then I must go
sure tomorrow, Thank you very much.

424
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.880
Us So I just wanted Jennifer,
I'll be talking to you just a second,

425
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.240
but I want to say, um
hi to Kathleen. Kathleen, how

426
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.119
are you. I'm doing well,
thank you, and congratulations on ten years.

427
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.880
Thank you. Kathleen. I think
you were like my fifth guest.

428
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:47.839
You were very early on every Dan
and the only reason you said who is

429
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:53.000
this guy? And but Stan said
he's okay. So so anyway, that

430
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:57.200
was that was nice. I remember
I went right to your house. Yes,

431
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.519
you've done to my father's home and
reports to choose. That's right,

432
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:06.599
that's right. I was there for
the summer, right right, So Kathy,

433
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:08.400
it's always it's always great to have
you on the show. I've always

434
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:14.039
enjoyed when you've been on, and
I just have to I have to bring

435
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:15.680
in one other guest here. We
have a lot of people trying to get

436
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:22.200
in all at the same time.
And let's see, we have someone calling

437
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.720
to wow. Um anyway, I
just want to bring in quickly, Jennifer.

438
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:30.319
I'll get you in just a minute. But I want to say hi

439
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:36.079
to this guy because Scott. Let
me put you up here. Scott,

440
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:45.680
let's see, I'm gonna get Scott
was the very first listener. He you

441
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:52.920
contacted me on show number two.
Yeah, Martin, like I instantaneously fell

442
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:58.440
in love with the show, like
right off the bat, and like I

443
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:02.400
I've always loved your show, and
I don't I've followed along, I've donated,

444
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:07.680
I've been a huge supporter and like
to me, like when I found

445
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:12.800
you ten years ago, like totally
blew my mind. And to be in

446
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:17.119
this chat right now with all these
people is I don't even know what to

447
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:23.000
say. Well, hey, class
um, we have John Greenhaw trying to

448
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:27.000
get in. Do you mind dropping
out? I just not to just show

449
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:31.039
one picture before leaving the I would
drop out for correct, Can I show

450
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:38.000
this. Yes, it's a nice
picture my aunted her house. Yeah,

451
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:44.039
I took when I met her in
the nineteen eighties. There is a little

452
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:49.159
better. She was so nice to
meet and we spent the full day together

453
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:58.079
just with some stune shake and yeah, well it was a memory for life.

454
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:07.039
Thank you for show to you guys. Sound good luck with the rest

455
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:12.960
of thank you, thank you,
thank you very much. All right,

456
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.119
all right, well Martin, can
I ask can I mention something here?

457
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:22.280
I got a question if if Scotti
was your first listener and he contacted you

458
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.280
on the second show, does that
mean since I was the first show there

459
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:35.760
were zero listeners on that show.
Oh that could be you know he's been

460
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:38.679
back and listened to the archive of
one. Yeah, yeah, thank god

461
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:43.599
for archives. Thank you God.
That's right, that's right. I do

462
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.840
want to say Ralph Blinfall, who
was up earlier. Unfortunately I've tried it.

463
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.199
His camera wasn't on, so I
didn't pull him in. But Ralph

464
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.679
wishes us all the best. Sorry, he couldn't. He was on for

465
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:59.559
a minute, but his camera wasn't
wasn't there, But uh, look who's

466
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:05.039
here? Jennifer. I have not
forgot you, but I'll get you're done.

467
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:07.800
Welcome to the show. Hey,
how are you let me positioning the

468
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.480
screen better? There? Hey?
How are you? Congratulations? Well,

469
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.960
thank you, John, You're very
welcome. Good to see so many familiar

470
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.440
faces here. I know this is
great, and I'm thank you for your

471
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.280
persistence trying to get in. I
saw you were trying to get in and

472
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.119
couldn't. Oh, yeah, no
problem. And I'm sorry if it notified

473
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:30.639
you every time. I just wanted
to make sure you didn't think I forgot.

474
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:35.280
Yeah. Yeah, I know you're
a busy guy. So and you've

475
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:37.599
done a lot. You've done a
lot of great things, John, I

476
00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:42.079
want to thank you for all you
have done. And uh, you know,

477
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.760
I remember I asked Stan. I'm
gonna give you some praise here because

478
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.599
I asked Stan Freeman. I told
you this when I met you. I

479
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:53.800
said, who's the next Stan Freeman? And he said John Greenwell. Stan

480
00:36:53.920 --> 00:37:00.559
said yeah, I mean I you
know, I miss him, I miss

481
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:07.039
his research ability, friendship. I
knew him more than twenty years, and

482
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.559
you know, going back to when
I first started when I was fifteen with

483
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:14.719
the Black Vault. But then,
you know, writing people, and Stan

484
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.559
was the only literally the only one
at the time that I had written to

485
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.280
that wrote back and he sent me
these documents. I just missed that.

486
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:27.719
You know, there's there's something about
that man that is kind of absent in

487
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.079
this field today, you know.
And you see social media and the way

488
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:35.280
that interaction has turned, and then
you look at some of the older videos

489
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.360
of Stand debating some of the bigger
skeptic names and debunkers and stuff like that,

490
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.920
and you see that although he would
get heated from time to time,

491
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.400
he was a gentleman. I mean, he really was, and I truly

492
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:50.320
do miss him. Yes, yeah, I think we all miss him and

493
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:55.639
Kathy the most. Kathy was very
very close. Kathy. It's uh when

494
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.840
I go into a conference and I
don't see you sitting next to Stand,

495
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.320
it's kind of sad every time.
It was such a wonderful thing to see

496
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:07.840
you two did so many conferences together, Yes we did, and you know

497
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:13.599
I miss that as well. My
husband is going with me frequently now,

498
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.800
but I miss having Stand next to
me. Yeah, there were quite a

499
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:21.559
few conferences. I got to sit
next to both Kathy and Stand at the

500
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.480
conferences, and those were a lot
of fun. When I have the table

501
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:29.440
right next to them. And had
a lot of good good times. Yeah.

502
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:32.920
Yeah, So hey Scott, just
real quick because I'm people trying to

503
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:39.039
get in and uh, what's that
You do a podcast on beards? And

504
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:45.159
yeah, it's called See Your Whole
Beard. By the way, Talking Talking

505
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.000
Beards is the show I do it, and in fact we tonight. It

506
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:52.800
starts at uh it's at eight pm
Eastern Talking Beards. You can find your

507
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:59.800
completely gone talking oddly enough like you're
and and I want to see this because

508
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:04.760
I it's been a while since you
and I've talked, but you definitely really

509
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:08.079
pushed me to get into podcasting,
like I was on the fence and like

510
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:14.440
just following your show and getting so
into it and getting so excited every Thursday

511
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:17.000
morning when you used to release your
shows, Like I'm like, all I

512
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:22.480
want to do is podcast, just
like Martin, like your show really inspired

513
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.559
me to like get going. So
it's been five years since we started the

514
00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:30.960
show Talking Beards, and basically what
our show is about is, I mean,

515
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:35.400
obviously I have a beard, but
we cover all these different charity events

516
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.840
that go on all across the country
every weekend, and we have different guests

517
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:45.360
on talking about different things that they're
doing with the world of facial here like

518
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:51.800
and you know so but rolling it
back though, I definitely want to thank

519
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.320
you very much for being a great
inspiration and congratulations to you for ten years.

520
00:39:55.360 --> 00:40:00.199
And I know you have so many
more important guests than me that I

521
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:01.360
just I want to get out of
here. But I want to thank you

522
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:06.760
so much for asking you to be
on, and thank you Scott Martin.

523
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:09.079
You know where would I be without
people like you listening to the show.

524
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:13.760
So I owe you a lot of
gratitude. Thank you so much. Thank

525
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.000
you very much, Martin, and
thank you everyone for tuning in tonight.

526
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:21.320
All right, thank you, take
care. I remember Scott sent me a

527
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:25.000
picture of him and Stan Freeman together
stand a Cyrus side. That was a

528
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:30.000
fun night. Yeah, all right, Scott, take care of all right,

529
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.880
Thanks Martin. All right, bye, all right, So let's see

530
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.480
we have Oh wait, I having
spoken to Jennifer Steinn yet hanging there,

531
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:45.559
Jordan, Jennifer can have female directors
filmmakers, yeah earlier, so, um,

532
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.400
you may want to someone's mike is
feeding back here, so you may

533
00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:53.199
want to try to if you can
remember the mutual mikes and then um you

534
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:58.039
can see that, right, down
on the down on the right. Okay,

535
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:04.039
so anyway, way, um,
Jennifer uh Dean was talking earlier,

536
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:07.639
they're they're too bad. There's not
more female filmmakers in it. And you

537
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.239
have on wings productions, right,
Yes, that's right, Yes, done

538
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:15.039
a couple of productions. M one. Actually, you know, very close,

539
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.280
closely connected with Steve. I feel
like this is the hall of fame

540
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.719
of uphology and you're right at the
center of it, Martin. So congratulations,

541
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.960
and look at all your wonderful guests. You know, I think we

542
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.960
can look back on disclosure and say, if all of this weren't you know,

543
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:34.239
beating the table for a long time, like Steve and like you and

544
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.519
like Kathleen, and you know many
other times. I know everyone here,

545
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:39.920
John, except I don't know Louise. So it's a pleasure to meet you,

546
00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:45.639
Louise. Oh. Yes, he's
actually helped him out. The pleasures

547
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:52.599
a mine. Yeah, theified celebrity
review, that's that's Uh did I say

548
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.960
it right that time? You did? Yeah? I have a very tiny

549
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:58.920
show. It's very insignificant, but
it's a lot of fun. It's not

550
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:05.239
I'll do it. And I also
don't know Jordan is a Bonaparte. I'm

551
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:09.400
yeah, Jordan, Jordan has the
nighttime podcast up in Nova Scotia. Welcome

552
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.280
to the show, Jordan, happy
to be here, Happy to meet you.

553
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.320
Jennifer. Great to see American.
Congratulations. But we'll get to that.

554
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:19.840
If you're still talking to Jennifer,
that's that's great. You know,

555
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:23.000
there was the Travis film was part
of that great tour that Chris Russet ran

556
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:29.039
across Canada, which I think started
in Nova Scotia and then went to Fredericton

557
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:35.400
and then went to Toronto and uh
and in Montreal and eventually ended up in

558
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.119
Vancouver. I don't know if you
were part of that or if you were

559
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.039
on the UFO scene about five years
ago, five or six years ago,

560
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:45.679
but it was really a great tour
across Canada. Lovely now I do.

561
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:49.360
I do want to say to everyone
that's on this show, if you have

562
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.320
somewhere to go, just speak up
and then say say goodbye to us,

563
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:54.559
just so we you know, because
I know a lot of people only have

564
00:42:54.599 --> 00:43:00.360
a few minutes and so um if
that happens, but you're welcome to hang

565
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:05.119
out. I'll let you know when
someone probably should drop out because it'll it'll

566
00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:08.000
let me know when someone's trying to
get in. But we have Sam Moronto

567
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:14.159
just popped in. Oh talk to
everyone. Jordan, let me just talk.

568
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:17.440
I didn't really talk to you,
but anyway, Jennifer, thank you

569
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:22.519
and Jordan, so you're up.
We met up at Shag Harbor. What

570
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:27.719
I'm going is that four years ago. Now. Time kind of flies in

571
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:30.320
a weird way since the pandemic began, so it was about one lifetime ago.

572
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:35.800
I would say, you came to
Nova Scotia to we did a live

573
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.400
podcast thing from the Shag Harbor UFO
Festival. So that's where we met in

574
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:43.880
person. But um, like many
other viewers of your show here, you're

575
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:45.199
like an old friend of mine.
You just didn't know it yet. I've

576
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:52.119
been listening and watching along with your
show for ages before having the pleasure of

577
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:53.960
meeting you. But um, that's
where we met. At Martin. I

578
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:58.800
want to start body's just saying congratulations
on ten years. So many people will

579
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:02.719
will start this kind of venture and
give up after that. Some don't even

580
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.119
make an episode. I'm just kind
of make up and artwork, a Twitter

581
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:12.159
page and maybe a Patreon, but
don't actually release anything. You've been ten

582
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:17.199
years going hard and regularly too.
So that's that's an amazing achievement. You

583
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:22.679
You're truly a trailblazer, specifically in
the UFO paranormal kind of space. So

584
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:29.000
I'm proud to call you a friend, and I'm proud to know that I'll

585
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:31.880
be here for your next ten years. So I congratulations. Well thanks so

586
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:36.719
much. I think sometimes I'm just
probably not smart enough to quit. Maybe

587
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:40.360
that's well, it takes something.
For some people, it's passion, for

588
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:45.480
some it's stupidity. You're probably somewhere
in the middle. So yeah, that's

589
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:49.039
right. I'm lucky to have you. Regardless, I'm gonna take up.

590
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.159
But I do want to say that
there was something that Martin did when the

591
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:59.199
pandemic hit which totally exemplifies who Martin
is UM, and that is um.

592
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.440
Yeah, Wentz, it's a it's
one of the good stories, not one

593
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:07.840
of the bads. Um. And
so Martin said, I'm getting requests because

594
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:13.760
people are isolated to do more podcasts. Yeah, so I'm like so hammered

595
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.119
with all the work that I'm doing, you know, which you've You've talked

596
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.639
about it many time, and that
takes out and it takes a lot where

597
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.039
you're flying, you're on the road, traveling, and you're like, but

598
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.639
I need I feel like I need
to do this, And I said,

599
00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:28.639
dude, I need my night Lousanics. No, I didn't say it.

600
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:34.159
I need your voice, which is
like night Lusannics. Um to to you

601
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:38.920
know, to keep people going and
keep us having something to to escape and

602
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:43.320
and to like delve into. And
so thank you for meeting the challenge and

603
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.199
doing that. UM, I know
it was greatly appreciated, and I look

604
00:45:46.239 --> 00:45:49.880
forward. I'm really honored to be
part of this fold as well, and

605
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:52.599
I look forward to another ten years
as well. Thank you to now.

606
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:58.480
Alright, team, my friend,
that was very kind of you. Take

607
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:04.559
care. We'll talk to you guys. All right, Sam, I'm going

608
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:08.360
to bring Sam Ranto. Welcome.
Sam. I am privileged to be here

609
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:14.159
amongst all these wonderful people, some
of whom considerate friends. And some of

610
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.000
you probably say, oh that damn, Sammy's here, what we're doing?

611
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:23.679
But I remember we go back some
ways, don't we. Huh, Sam,

612
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:30.480
you you're one of the maybe the
second year was doing this. Yes,

613
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:36.000
I was interested in Chicago. Um, the Tinley is it Tinley Park?

614
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.599
The Tinley park Case. Yes,
yeah, that's a mass sighting.

615
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:43.280
That's very interesting, and that's how
I think I found you. And you

616
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.440
were involved with mufon out there and
all that at that time. Yes,

617
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:51.280
and we got to be friends for
the years. Uh yep. We visited

618
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.760
a few times and oh yeah,
and it cracks me up. I'm looking

619
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:59.320
at people, Harold Jennifer and Steve
Bassett. I remember calling before a man

620
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:01.719
up at three o clock in the
morning in Paris and he goes, Sam,

621
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:06.760
it's three o'clock am. I'm like, well, I'll call you later.

622
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:12.679
Oh gosh, and we'll always have
Paris then, Yes, how about

623
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:16.719
it, mister Greenwell, my gosh, we've seen this guy come up.

624
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:22.239
That's what you were sixteen years old. Yeah, it's been a while decades

625
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.119
ago, let's not remember that.
And we always had a good time.

626
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:29.360
We got to see each other at
conferences, which is rare, but we

627
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.719
always have a good time. Yeah. I missed those, miss those days

628
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:36.440
when we saw each other much more
often. Oh gosh, Yes, Jennifer,

629
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:39.719
thank you so much for being a
part of so many things that we've

630
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:45.840
done together. Oh gosh, you
got some monster names here, Jordan,

631
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:51.639
what a magnificent person saying such wonderful
things about somebody who I truly, dearly

632
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:57.599
love that I consider a part of
my family. Martin, ten more years

633
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:01.679
would be the least I'd love to
see you when this keep on going forever.

634
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:07.119
I think I have a chicken sandwich
sitting out here, so I am

635
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.440
going to listen to it. But
I'm not going to take too much facial

636
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:17.920
space here and just keep going.
Everybody, keep the spirit of anything,

637
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.239
the humidity. We are human,
I think so much, as I always

638
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:27.679
say when I give presentations, the
phenomena is more about us. It's who

639
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.079
we are, what we are,
and why we are, and we can

640
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:34.880
never forget that. I think we
need more than ever this time to be

641
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:39.519
a community that's very close and be
proud of our human factor, and just

642
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:45.159
let's start getting people to act a
little more human. Martin, thank you

643
00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:46.599
so much, and God, thank
you. Sam. All right, thanks

644
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:50.480
all very nice. Sam, Thank
you Martin, Martin. I need to

645
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.400
go. I want to make a
couple of quick comments before I go.

646
00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:55.639
Yeah, I'll go ahead and get
ahead. John, you reminded me I've

647
00:48:55.639 --> 00:49:00.559
got to get a bigger mic.
And Paul you've reminded me that I've got

648
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:04.599
to get some plaques up on my
wall. Okay, I've got any plaques.

649
00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:08.079
That's not good. And Jordan,
uh question is that is that a

650
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:13.960
CGI background behind you or is that
your actual bedroom? This is uh that

651
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:17.840
well, I call it my studio
slash spare bedroom and not the other way

652
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:23.360
around. That's your action, my
wife. That is very cool, way

653
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:30.639
cool and somewhat weird, but this
is good. That's that's why I yeh

654
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:32.920
jan love you. Bye. All
right, bye, Steven, take care

655
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:37.599
already. All right, right now, i'd like to we have We've had

656
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.920
this gentleman on hold uh for quite
a while, and i'd like to bring

657
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.760
him in. And we've had a
couple of people pop in, Paulino and

658
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:49.719
Peter Robins will be getting to you
in just a second. So, but

659
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.400
first of all, on the line, we have uh, Richard, It's

660
00:49:53.559 --> 00:50:00.000
Richard there, Richard cutting? Yeah, yeah, speak out? Richard?

661
00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:06.840
Can you Richard? Can you talk
a little louder? Yeah? Sure?

662
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.519
Is that better? Yeah? That
is better? Richard. A number of

663
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.679
people may not know who you are, but you had this great series.

664
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:15.199
You were early on my show,
and that's why I wanted to invite you

665
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:22.079
to come on. Um, but
you had this series called um it was

666
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:29.920
Milgram in the Fast Walkers right press, yes, yes, and uh and

667
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:35.280
that that was that was very popular
for a while. Yeah, and we

668
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.199
it's now out on BBTV on Roku
and it's on Amazon and you could watch

669
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:45.039
the whole thing. It's now shut
as two feature length films. So um.

670
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.159
You know, I'm so thankful that
you invited me, Martin because in

671
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.840
those early days, you know,
so many things have happened, you know,

672
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:58.440
more disclosure and then maybe footage and
so much h the in the real

673
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.599
heart world of investing for our apology, and you were so kind at the

674
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:07.800
time to bring me on as a
you know, dramatic filmmaker at a time

675
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:13.039
when you were sort of at a
low point for dramatic programming on the UFO

676
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:17.039
issue. And you know, I
was investigating sort of the John mac psychiatrist

677
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:22.800
as investigator, looking at the abduction
issue, and your show prep and your

678
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:30.159
consideration of our storyline was really terrific. And I've always cited your show as

679
00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:35.199
v soo to watch because of the
breadth of your guests and their expertise and

680
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:39.920
their articulation and certainly their commitments.
So kudos to you on ten years Martin.

681
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:44.280
It's just wonderful what you do.
Well, thank you so much.

682
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:47.760
I remember when you contacted me,
you were listening to the show when you're

683
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.280
trying to get I think you're trying
to get ideas of something. But anyway,

684
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.880
thank you for your kind words.
It's very nice to you. Yes,

685
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.360
yes, I can't tell you.
The world has changed so much.

686
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:05.440
Is your guests no better than I
do? But uh, you know now

687
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:08.679
the world of abduction which was pretty
obscure um, and I go back to

688
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:13.800
the Bud Hopkins and John mc days
knowing have both of those guys, and

689
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:17.960
I says, see, I wish
those guys were alive to enjoy. You

690
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:22.960
know, this borg of offerings that
you put out every week, and your

691
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:27.320
show prep is great. You're an
incredible researcher and you go to places like

692
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:30.840
Russia and do that too, so
you know you're you're not a normal show

693
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.920
in this world. And it's very
well produced. No, I thank you

694
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.880
for what you do, Martin.
Well, thank you A little side note

695
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:42.039
there. I won't be going to
Russia anymore, but but thank you anyway,

696
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:47.119
take care, all right, all
right, all right, so we

697
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:50.679
had at least Spiegel was in,
but he popped out. I just text

698
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:53.480
and wonder what's going on. But
let's see who popped in. You gotta

699
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:58.360
run. I'm going to drop off
because I'm running a mainline move on program

700
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:01.639
tonight. I think it's right nineteen
or twentieth year or something like that.

701
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:06.199
So I've got a program, so
I'm gonna pop on that. But Hi

702
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.320
to Lee, Hi to Peter.
I've just texted mister Walton for you.

703
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:15.800
He'll be joining you shortly, so
often make room for him. But congratulations

704
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.719
Martin. You're really changing the world. You know it's and I'm grateful to

705
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:22.760
know you and I've worked with you
and look forward to doing more shows with

706
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:27.199
you. All right, Jennifer there, thank you? All right, Thanks

707
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.840
a lot, by no Leah.
I'll get to you in a minute,

708
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:32.880
but I have to I have two
people that came in. I haven't even

709
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.000
talked to you yet, and that
is Paul, you know, Paul,

710
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:40.719
and then Peter Robinson. Then i'll
get to you Lee, So hang in

711
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:45.360
there. Uh, Paul, you
know, how are you? Oh?

712
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:51.800
Better than nothing? I remember I
certainly wanted to congratulate you Martin on the

713
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.000
ten years on the air. I
think I first met you. My son

714
00:53:54.079 --> 00:54:00.400
Ben and I first met you at
the one of the early great New England

715
00:54:00.519 --> 00:54:05.280
UFO conferences and they had stashed us
sort of up in the upper part of

716
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.840
the town hall to interview guests,
and we were and you came in and

717
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:14.559
set up your equipment and we never
met you before, and it was interesting

718
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:19.360
because we were still associated with CBS
Radio and you had better equipment than we

719
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:23.079
did. So that was the beginning
of our relationship. And then then I

720
00:54:23.119 --> 00:54:27.559
remember again being on your show a
few years ago when you're very kindly,

721
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:32.400
I'm still trying to figure out why
let me use your your your guesthouse in

722
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:38.400
Maine for several days. And I
showed up this the opposite of the attire

723
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:43.559
mooring tonight in a tie and you
said, oh my gosh, I better

724
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:50.599
put on a tie two. And
then we talked with luminaries such as Alahedra

725
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.199
Rojas, and we did it.
We had a fun show. So congratulations,

726
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:59.239
Well, thank you so much.
Ajandra was supposed to show up almost

727
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.199
an hour ago. Sure exactly what
happened, knowing him was probably abducted,

728
00:55:04.000 --> 00:55:07.559
Yeah, it could be, could
be and your show. You you've been

729
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:10.639
added a lot longer than ten years, right, Well we're going on fourteen,

730
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:15.079
and that time flies when you're having
fun. Yeah, I say the

731
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:19.800
same thing. I mean, I
just feel like, where has this ten

732
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:23.800
years gone? It's just amazing so
fast. Well, that was funny that

733
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:29.719
we have people who tell us that
they listened to my son grow up on

734
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:32.880
the air. That's right, starting
when he was sixteen. So now he's

735
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:37.760
an old and married guy and a
homeowner and you know, the same problems

736
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:44.000
with the rest of us. So
yeah, that's always anyway. Yeah,

737
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:47.239
it's always been a pleasure. And
Peter Robbins, how are you good,

738
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:51.960
my friend? How are you doing
tonight? Good? And I want to

739
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.079
say I met you early on.
I think it was the first or second

740
00:55:54.159 --> 00:56:00.199
year when I started podcasting. I
met you in up in Maine at will

741
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:02.960
Remain or somewhere like that, some
little town. Um you were at a

742
00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:07.599
conference and I met you when Travis
sat there, and I'm trying to remember

743
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:13.559
capt Kathleen Marden at the time and
a few others. So it was Portland,

744
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:17.280
actually, I think it was Portland. You may be right, it

745
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:21.639
may have been Portland, right,
Yeah, that's right. Okay, I'm

746
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:23.320
getting confused. I thought it was. I thought it was a year before

747
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:30.760
that. But but anyway, you're
you're now on the KGr A Radio two,

748
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.920
aren't you? On Monday? I
am. Um. I was offered

749
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:40.320
the opportunity more than a year before
I started, and um. My first

750
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:45.519
feeling was that I was flattered.
My second was, does the world really

751
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:53.280
need another UFO paranormal related broadcast?
There are so many people, colleagues and

752
00:56:53.360 --> 00:57:00.079
friends like yourself doing such a marvelous
job of it that I asked them if

753
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.280
I could think about it, and
they said fine, And I thought about

754
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:12.239
it for months and ultimately arrived at
a format that I thought might add something

755
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:21.840
to our collective dialogue. So many
of the people that we speak with are

756
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.119
well known and respected in the field, but at the time I was offered

757
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:30.360
the show, coming from a background
as a writer or a researcher and author,

758
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:37.679
I thought, we know these people, but we really don't know them.

759
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:45.039
And so I set up a model
of trying to draw in everybody that

760
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:50.800
you would, everybody from the smallest
podcast up to the audience of Coast to

761
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:54.679
Coast, which we all want as
well as in fact, especially people who

762
00:57:54.679 --> 00:58:00.480
had never listened to shows like ours
before. So the premise for most of

763
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:04.320
my shows have been, we know
who you are, unless we're new to

764
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:07.199
the subject, but of course we
really don't know who you are, and

765
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:15.400
then give them an opportunity to take
two hours in an informal conversation interview format

766
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:21.360
to tell us the story of their
lives in any manner that they wanted,

767
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:27.519
often heavily illustrated. And as I
thought about doing the show, I thought,

768
00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:31.679
who are the interviewers who I really
do admire? And going back to

769
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:38.320
Jack Parr and Dick Cabot, the
great Terry Gross on NPR and Fresh Air,

770
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:45.000
and I thought of you. You
are a very straight shooter. You

771
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:49.360
do not pull your punches. You're
very fair, but you're very thorough,

772
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:55.840
and you also do your homework.
We all know of hosts who have authors

773
00:58:55.880 --> 00:59:00.920
on and haven't even read the liner
notes on the book jacket. You know

774
00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:05.719
your stuff, and when I listen
to your show, I know I'm going

775
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:10.559
to get valuable content for me.
The other aspect of my show, increasingly,

776
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:19.719
our panel discussions and LEAs been on
one fairly recently, dealing with the

777
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:28.519
October nineteenth press conference at the National
Press Club, also Steve Bassett and Danny

778
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:34.199
Sheen. And I'm finally starting to
really get a sense after almost a year

779
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:39.280
of what you guys do and why
you keep coming back to it. I've

780
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:46.480
been a guest on Lewis's show,
which I enjoyed tremendously and looking forward to

781
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:52.719
returning. And you're an inspiration in
this work for me, and I can

782
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:58.639
only say congratulations on doing it for
ten years. Way to go well,

783
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:02.199
thank you so much, Thank you. I appreciate it. Just also,

784
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:07.320
I'm going to be bringing in Scan
Gordon. We also have Charles Lee,

785
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:13.159
our blogger, and Robert Powell is
up. I'm not sure why Charles Lear's

786
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.039
camera's not showing. Let me bring
him back in. That is strange.

787
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:20.599
It looks like a glitch. He's
there. While you figure that out,

788
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:22.199
Martin, I'm going I'm going to
leave, but I just again want to

789
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:28.280
congratulate you on ten great years.
Thank you so much, Thanks for thanks

790
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.880
for popping in my pleasure. Nice
to see you all. All right,

791
01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:35.519
take care of Jordan, bye bye. All right. I'm also bringing in

792
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:39.559
Stan Gordon, but let's see,
I gotta do things in order here for

793
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:44.719
appearance, and that means that's Lee
Spiegel. How are you? Lee?

794
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:53.760
Wow? Is this the right place
to order a pizza? Somebody gave me

795
01:00:53.800 --> 01:01:00.639
a number and said for the best
pizza in town. That's it? Are

796
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.599
you? Are you a pineapp on
your pizza or no? No, not

797
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:09.119
really, Louise, I'm not sure. Is that a California joke? I'm

798
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:15.760
not sure. Well, well,
I want to wish you as we're all

799
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:20.960
wishing you happy ten Oh and the
wish is not just me, it's for

800
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:28.599
me and my lovely wife and muse
Lorraine wishes you the same. Well,

801
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:31.119
thank you so much, Lee.
And it was real, real fun hanging

802
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:36.519
out with you two over at Pine
Bush. Yes, who was? Yeah?

803
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.639
That was that was Martin. I'm
gonna bow out here so weathers can

804
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:44.519
get in. But again, congratulations, Thank you, Paul, and we'll

805
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.599
talk soon. Take care very good, All right, take care, all

806
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:52.880
right, let's see who else?
Just really quickly we have Barbert Powell came

807
01:01:52.920 --> 01:02:05.199
in after you, Lee, but
more Robert. Thanks, say thank you

808
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:08.280
Martin, and congratulations on ten years. I think you've done a very good

809
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:13.400
job with your podcasts. Well,
thank you. Yeah, I always appreciate

810
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:16.400
it when you. I think we
met first in Arizona and I kind of

811
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:20.519
talked you into coming onto the show. I think you were a little maybe

812
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:22.920
a little leary of it at first, but it worked out, okay,

813
01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:25.800
right, I had not met you
prior to that, right, so for

814
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:30.320
all I knan we were going to
talk about, you know, little aliens

815
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:37.800
and aluminum hats. But that's right. You know, one thing Martin,

816
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:44.320
a lot of your guests may not
know is that it was your podcasts that

817
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:49.760
put me in touch with Kevin Day. That's right. If if I had

818
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:54.880
not gone on your podcasts, Kevin
Day might still not be known to the

819
01:02:54.960 --> 01:03:00.639
UFO world and all the other guys
that came out after him. That's right.

820
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:05.039
Because he saw the podcast, he
wrote a little a little note,

821
01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:08.280
like he said, It was just
like one or two sentences, and I

822
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:14.039
was able to you know, find
him from that, right, right,

823
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:17.280
And that that's worked out really well. I remember you you're saying you said

824
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:21.199
to me, oh, someone wrote, and boy, if he's legit,

825
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:23.840
he's someone pretty important. I remember
you said that to me. Yeah.

826
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:28.320
Yeah. So I don't know if
Kevin Day is going to thank you for

827
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:31.440
all of that or not. He
may not. Yeah, yeah, I

828
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:37.559
know, it's it's hard to say. So let's see. We have Travis

829
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.719
Walton. Thank you Travis for joining
us in Bright Zable and uh, I

830
01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:45.079
just have to go quickly in order
here and first I'm gonna jump now.

831
01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:51.159
So gentlemen, a great evening,
and again, congratulation Martin Peter. I

832
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:55.760
appreciate you coming by. Thank you. All right, So Travis, I'll

833
01:03:55.760 --> 01:04:00.280
get to you, and I'll get
to you Bright and Charles I will get

834
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:05.079
to you, and but we had
Stan Gordon popped in first. I believe

835
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:10.719
Stan. Welcome to the show.
Hello Martin. I want to congratulate you

836
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:15.119
in your ten years of bringing important
information take attention of the public concerning this

837
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:18.639
ongoing mystery. And thanks also forming
me mighting need to be on this commandment

838
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:21.719
of Gift show tonight. Thank you, Stan. Yeah, you were early

839
01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:28.400
on. You've done some wonderful work
in Pennsylvania and so I appreciate I always

840
01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:31.519
appreciated what you have done. And
it's not just the UFOs. There's other

841
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:36.800
weird stuff happening there and you've you've
looked into it deeply all the way back

842
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:40.760
from your you know, when you
were young. I remember you were telling

843
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:45.199
me you listen to the Kecksburg thing
live on the radio or something like that.

844
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:47.719
Do I have that right? Yeah? I was sixteen. I've been

845
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:50.000
doing this now, believe it or
not. It's going on. It's over

846
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:59.320
sixty two years of research and I've
never seen a UFO myself on a regular

847
01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:02.639
basi. In the last few weeks, we've had several very interesting low level

848
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:08.280
UPO sidings here in Pennsylvania I'm looking
into. But my heartline has been open

849
01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:13.039
since nineteen sixty nine. It never
stopped ringing. How about that? Uh

850
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:16.159
Stan, That's that's amazing. All
those years you've been at this, and

851
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:20.519
you've been a real asset to looking
to this topic, and must make you

852
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:27.280
happy that more people are taking this
seriously these days. There's no doubt about

853
01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:30.760
that, you know. I've dealt
with the public for years and years on

854
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:35.039
these various phenomena, and I've seen
such a change and attitude in more recent

855
01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:40.000
years, and a lot of people
are very supportive of their researches going on

856
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:44.119
now, and so I'm hopeful someday
that maybe we'll learn a lot more.

857
01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:46.960
The more I know about the phenomena, I think the stranger it is.

858
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:50.760
And you know, I said years
and years ago, I think there's more

859
01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:56.159
than one origin to the unknown category
of the UFO phenomena. Yeah, I

860
01:05:56.360 --> 01:06:00.719
have to agree with you there.
But thank you so much for coming on.

861
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:04.159
I really appreciate it. Well,
thanks for having me on. All

862
01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:09.639
right, all right, you bet
okay, And next I when I have

863
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:13.960
Bryce Zable came in. Bryce,
welcome, Hey, great to be here.

864
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:18.280
Congratulation. Really enjoyed hanging out at
your house a few weeks ago and

865
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.719
our late night talk. That was
a blast. That was so much fun

866
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:26.239
what I remember of it because we
had been drinking. You you hadn't been

867
01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:28.960
drinking. You don't even drink.
I had to drink for both of us.

868
01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.519
I think. So, oh you
said some pretty incredible things. Well

869
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:38.119
that'll happen. Yeah, but no, no, it was great. It

870
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:40.880
was really great. You have such
a creative mind, and it was it

871
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:44.480
was so interesting. And I'm looking
in your background. What is that Is

872
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:46.480
that a storyboard I'm looking at?
Yeah, I have. This is my

873
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:51.000
home office, and that's a kind
of a quirkboard where I break you know,

874
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:56.079
movies or TV series or whatever.
That actually right now is a book

875
01:06:56.119 --> 01:07:01.079
I'm writing. So I've got ten
chapters are out, and you know what's

876
01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:05.599
interesting about that? There's maybe there's
several things, but the one thing is

877
01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:11.400
whenever I've run a show, I
always like to put things up on cards

878
01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:14.599
and get the writers in the room
to put things up, and you arc

879
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:17.840
it all out and you try to
see your head what's happening. And usually

880
01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:20.639
if you're running the show, you
shouldn't have to write the cards, right,

881
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:24.679
I mean that should be somebody should
be in writing the cards. But

882
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:31.079
it turns out that I'm the only
guy that has a good handwrite so and

883
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:34.960
my friends I'll make fun of me
because I have I have not only different

884
01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:40.960
colored cards, but I have different
colored sharpies, and I have different colored

885
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:44.679
little red circles, and the whole
thing is color coded. And the only

886
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:47.079
person who can ever figure it out
is met which is I guess sort of

887
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:53.840
the way I like it. So
secret, very funny, very funny.

888
01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:58.760
Well you have, is there anything
you can talk We talked a little bit

889
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:00.920
about what you had going on in
Oh there was a lot of things you

890
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:03.440
said you couldn't talk about. But
is there anything you can talk about quickly?

891
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:09.559
You know, I'm gonna mostly pass
on that. Although I did write

892
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:15.199
a spec pilot called UAP. It's
an our drama and Chris Mellon has come

893
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:18.960
aboard to be our consultant on it. So I think that's pretty pretty important

894
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:24.159
stuff. We'll see if that means
anything in Hollywood, but we're looking into

895
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:27.640
it, and you know, that's
that's kind of what I'm all about right

896
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:30.039
now, kind of interested in that. Had a couple of podcast offers,

897
01:08:30.079 --> 01:08:35.159
but I said, I will not
compete with Martin. That's going to happen,

898
01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:38.760
That's right. I told you bet
or not, and I gave you

899
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:43.520
another drink. You laid down the
law and I respect that. So yeah,

900
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:47.800
yeah, now that's great. And
you shared that screenplay a draft with

901
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.119
me and that is fascinating. I
hope that does come into something well.

902
01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:54.880
I've tried to keep it very real
and authentic. But by the way,

903
01:08:54.880 --> 01:08:58.000
I just want to take it back
to you. Congratulations. I mean,

904
01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:00.960
ten years is a long time to
do anything. I think. I don't

905
01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.399
think I've done anything ten years except
stay married to my wife, which is

906
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:09.079
probably a very smart thing to do. Yeah. I know that it's ten

907
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:14.319
years since the anniversary of Afterdisclosure,
the book I wrote with Richard Dolan and

908
01:09:15.279 --> 01:09:17.159
by way of analysis, I look
at that and I go, well,

909
01:09:17.199 --> 01:09:23.560
that was a long long time ago. It certainly feels like so you've been

910
01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.520
on the air forever, my friend. You just keep that up. Well,

911
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:30.359
thank you very much, thank you, thank you, and I think

912
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:38.439
you are next Travis Waltman, Hey
Martin, congratulations on a decade of service

913
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:43.159
to a very important topic. That's
right. And I was just saying earlier

914
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:46.399
before you came on you, I
met you early on, early on.

915
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:49.840
For my ten years. I know
you've you know, you've been out there

916
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:57.640
talking about this for a while and
if always it's funny when I listened to

917
01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:03.039
you you talk about your story.
Um, it's never changed, but there

918
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:09.159
sometimes there's some more information that you
you put out there that is really really

919
01:10:09.239 --> 01:10:13.039
interesting and uh and a lot of
it has to do with um, you

920
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.119
know. I think since we first
talked, do you feel as though that

921
01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:20.319
it was a rescue mission when you
were uh, that's something you didn't talk

922
01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:25.319
about at first. Yeah. Yeah, it was just a sort of dawning

923
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:29.800
realization that if they meant any harm, I wouldn't have even been returned.

924
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:39.079
So looking for the harmful effects and
seeing none. It just gradually dawned on

925
01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:44.439
me that the fear and the shock
and all that was just my own perceptions

926
01:10:44.439 --> 01:10:48.760
at the time. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's such a um you

927
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:53.760
know, this whole thing. It
just seems like the more you look into

928
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:57.239
it, the more questions you have, you know, and audiencewers just so

929
01:10:57.319 --> 01:11:00.960
many. I mean I mentioned earlier
having a night sitting up with Bryce and

930
01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:04.680
talking forever, and it's kind of
like wow, you know, by when

931
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:09.479
I left, I felt like I
had more questions than than answers, you

932
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:13.720
know, because that's what this subject
seems to do well. It is certainly

933
01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:18.479
opening up worldwide, and the perception
I can I can see it, you

934
01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:24.960
know, the year after year,
it just is gaining more and more acceptance.

935
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:31.239
More and more people know what's going
on right right right exactly. I've

936
01:11:31.239 --> 01:11:34.840
had someone on hold forever here,
and I just have to bring them in,

937
01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:41.640
uh quickly. We have Joshua.
Uh, Joshua Cutcheon. How are

938
01:11:41.640 --> 01:11:47.279
you jo? No, I'm sorry
to pronounce your last name wrong. Joshua.

939
01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:50.239
Were you on my show? Someone
else interviewed you at one time?

940
01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:56.760
I was on your show and I
spoke to you and Preston Dinnett at the

941
01:11:56.840 --> 01:12:00.279
beginning of this year. Actually,
oh, I'm terribly are you? But

942
01:12:00.399 --> 01:12:03.399
anyway, Uh, you know,
it's funny. I was looking through my

943
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.680
list of guests and some of them, I have to say, out of

944
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:11.159
four hundred and eighty one shows.
Uh, you know, I forget sometimes

945
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:13.680
I forget. Oh yeah, I
had that person on, you know,

946
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:15.680
like someone asked to be on my
show and I forgot all about that.

947
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:21.399
They were already on once. So
it does happen. Well, I've actually

948
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:28.479
recently been on a few other podcasts
Barbara Jean Lindsay, Cosmic Arbal and UFO

949
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:31.680
Garage a couple. I just I'm
a new experiencer. I'm new to this

950
01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:36.600
whole UFO community in general. I
happened to I know, the Bledsoe family

951
01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:43.000
personally. I went to school with
Chris Junior and Ryan. I'm a little

952
01:12:43.079 --> 01:12:46.119
unique as I was a former hardcore
sket a year ago. I didn't believe

953
01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:49.720
in any of this, And at
the beginning of this year I started experiencing

954
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:55.239
orbs and this year alone, I've
seen I've lost count obviously at least twenty

955
01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.239
orbs. And um, I gotta
make this real quick because I gotta get

956
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:01.359
out here, but m yeah,
I hold a long time, and I

957
01:13:01.399 --> 01:13:05.920
really appreciate it. And we have
we have someone at the airport that's on

958
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:10.000
hold too, and he was my
first, my first news person, so

959
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:13.159
i'd like I want to grab him. So thank you so much, Joshua.

960
01:13:14.039 --> 01:13:15.960
I'm headed off too by Martin.
All right, Robert, thank you

961
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.520
so much. And I'm sorry I
have to I have to kind of move

962
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:26.840
along here because of Michael Lauka.
You there, Michael, Yes, Michael,

963
01:13:26.920 --> 01:13:29.760
how are you? Do you hear
me? Yes, I hear you

964
01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:34.279
loud and care You're you are live
on the radio and everyone hanging there if

965
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:40.439
I especially, I'm spoken to you
yet, Michael. You I forget how

966
01:13:40.479 --> 01:13:44.159
you and I first got in touch
with each other, but you were on

967
01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:47.319
and you you and I did some
like co hosting. You did UFO News.

968
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:54.319
This is going back in like year
two or three, right, Yes,

969
01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:59.720
yes, I think we were both
living in different places than and yeah,

970
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:05.039
that's right. And you wrote some
really really good blogs. As a

971
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:12.199
matter of fact, one of the
blogs is the reason why Calvin Parker reached

972
01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:15.640
out to me and and Calvin Parker, I do have a clip. I'm

973
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:20.079
going to run here in a little
bit where he says high and everyone can

974
01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:23.640
kind of take a break and breathe
or whatever you want to do. I'm

975
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:25.920
gonna be running that in just a
few minutes. But you know, thanks

976
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:30.960
to your great blog, he contacted
me and he produced he was able to

977
01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:34.640
write a book and it's been doing
really well and he's had a lot of

978
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:38.399
recognitions. I'm gonna have. I'm
gonna bring him up in just a minute.

979
01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:42.920
So anyway, Michael, thank you. I know you're at the airport

980
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:45.760
and it's crazy, and I do
appreciate all that you have done in the

981
01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:51.600
past. You've done a lot of
a lot of really good things. Oh

982
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:58.319
you know what, nothing, I
mean, this show is really because of

983
01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:03.039
your hard work and congratulations. It's
uh. When you told me it's been

984
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:09.399
ten years, I couldn't believe it. Literally was like we couldn't have been

985
01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:14.680
We're not that old. Yes,
I'm not even going to get into that,

986
01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:21.159
you're right, yeah, yeah,
but well I'm proud of you,

987
01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:26.680
Martin for sticking with it and making
this happen. It's a great thing.

988
01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:30.079
Well, thank you, Michael.
That's very nice to you. All Right,

989
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:36.840
you take care and hopefully we'll talk
soon. Yes, yes, congratulations

990
01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:43.199
again. All right, take care
Michael. All right, um, let's

991
01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:47.359
see. I know I saw Chris
Lambright, presidentnet Irene Previn just popped in.

992
01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:53.159
It seems up. If you don't
all mind just hanging in for about

993
01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:56.479
five minutes, Is everyone okay to
hang in five minutes so I can run

994
01:15:56.479 --> 01:16:00.640
this shirt? All right? And
I'm gonna run this this up I recorded

995
01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:04.199
on Sunday, and you'll recognize a
few of these people. And here we

996
01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:09.399
go, all right, and from
over the pond, I got Philip Mantel

997
01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:14.000
and one of my pals here,
Calvin Parker, Harry, how are you

998
01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:19.119
guys? Great? How are you
doing? Philip Martin? No, I

999
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:27.119
didn't remember me, actually, Martin
guy, No before I forget Martin.

1000
01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:33.479
Congratulations ten years of hosting this podcast. I mean, I've done podcasts myself.

1001
01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:39.439
I know it's not easy, but
you've done a great job over these

1002
01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:43.199
last ten years. And I wish
you well for the next ten years,

1003
01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:46.039
my friend, I really do well. Well, thank you very much.

1004
01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:50.960
I don't feel like I'm gonna change
anything. I just love doing the show

1005
01:16:51.039 --> 01:16:56.439
and it's you know, the last
few years we've been pretty lucky with some

1006
01:16:56.520 --> 01:17:00.319
of the information out. I remember
the first one I did with you,

1007
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:05.039
and that was way back. That
was I think that was two thousand fourteen

1008
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:10.000
or thirteen, Calvin, it was
I was a little half there and I

1009
01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:15.359
am now. Yeah, I knew
years going a long ways with a teen

1010
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:19.479
You do such a great job with
them. Happy anniversary on it. Well,

1011
01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:26.000
well, thank you so much,
Calvin, and uh I believe now

1012
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:30.439
tell me if I'm wrong, but
were you the first time interviewed by me?

1013
01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:35.319
For it was a long time I
had. You're exactly right, and

1014
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:40.960
matter of fact, that's the way
Philip found me through you. Yep.

1015
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:44.560
I'm so glad that worked out.
And I was just about to say that,

1016
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:48.000
I was just about to thank you, Martin, because we're not for

1017
01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:53.720
you, it would have probably taken
me a whole longer two to find Calvin.

1018
01:17:54.920 --> 01:18:00.199
I think when I was just you
know, throwing out the next you

1019
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:03.680
know you, I caught you in
the net and at that point I'd already

1020
01:18:03.680 --> 01:18:09.520
been trying to find him for three
months. And yeah, so I do

1021
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:13.199
thank you for that. It led
to me and Calvin, of course becoming

1022
01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:17.680
friends, but a whole lot more
than that, as ensued in the last

1023
01:18:18.039 --> 01:18:25.560
three years that we've been in church, Yeah, two eighteen. Wow,

1024
01:18:25.640 --> 01:18:29.479
So can you tell me what what
has actually happened in that time? Quite

1025
01:18:29.479 --> 01:18:32.439
a bit, right, Well,
I'll tell you. I mean, Calvin

1026
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:40.800
told his story in full in writing
for the first time. And what I

1027
01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:45.680
didn't know I didn't I didn't contact
Calvin with the view of writing or publishing

1028
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:51.239
a book. What happened, Martin, I got the rights to republish Charles

1029
01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:58.760
Hickson and William Mendes his book,
and I knew Charles had sadly passed away,

1030
01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:01.520
but to the best said my knowledge, I thought Calvin was still around.

1031
01:19:02.119 --> 01:19:06.000
So I thought, if I could
get an interview and I'll put him

1032
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:10.000
in the book, just to bring
it up to date. Of course,

1033
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:13.960
what I didn't know is when I
first spoke to him, it was very

1034
01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:20.039
polite, didn't tell me an awfulnest. But unknown to me, his wife

1035
01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:29.039
Wayne et just literally I think weeks
before I contacted Calvin had mentioned to him

1036
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:33.239
about writing a book. So he
made the mistake of telling me that,

1037
01:19:33.640 --> 01:19:38.159
so there was no escaping it.
In the end, Martin, he'd weighing

1038
01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:42.000
out on one side and me on
the other, and of course, you

1039
01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:46.600
know the books have passed. All
our surprises went went to be a best

1040
01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:50.760
seller on Amazon. Not only that, what it did, which is probably

1041
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:57.119
more important, it spurred others to
come out of the woodwork, much like

1042
01:19:57.239 --> 01:20:00.960
Calvin had for the first time,
and they could do you know now,

1043
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:05.640
Calvin, unlike when the incident happened
back in nineteen seventy three, people weren't

1044
01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:10.520
making fun of him anymore buy and
Lodge. They were taking him seriously.

1045
01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:16.039
They treated him with respect, especially
locally, and encouraged others to come out

1046
01:20:16.039 --> 01:20:21.039
of the woodwood. And you know
that list of people who have done that

1047
01:20:21.920 --> 01:20:28.359
continues to grow. Well, yes, look who we have here then,

1048
01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:33.880
very is how's it going, guys? How you doing? I apologize.

1049
01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:39.640
I I'm at the airport, That's
why I'm wearing this mask and I don't

1050
01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:43.880
have any ear fund so I can
barely hear you here. But well you

1051
01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:48.960
made it. Yeah. I wanted
to think and say hi and congratulations Martin

1052
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:54.880
for all these years. Man,
I think I remember when you first started

1053
01:20:54.880 --> 01:20:59.319
broadcasting time flies. I know,
I can't. I can't believe it.

1054
01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:01.960
It's just it has It's flown right
by, and I like all of a

1055
01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:04.880
sudden I realized, like a few
months ago, oh my god, it's

1056
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:11.600
ten years now, and didn't TV
still have valves in the bucket him when

1057
01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:18.199
you started? Mate? Yeah,
yeah, the podcast wasn't quite soeezy.

1058
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:21.159
So Ben, I know you're super
busy, and you know it means a

1059
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:26.159
lot to me that you you checked
in at the airport. You know,

1060
01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:30.039
you just have a ton of stuff
going on, anything you can talk about

1061
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:33.800
freely or is it? Um?
Yeah, actually they just announced it um

1062
01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:40.600
uh Friday, I think it was. They We are in season two now

1063
01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:45.640
of UFO Witness and of course Calvin
was one of the highlights of season one.

1064
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:49.840
Um his story is all of that's
going to be airing on Travel Channel

1065
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:55.119
now starting tomorrow on Monday. So
everyone who wasn't able to watch it because

1066
01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:59.720
of um you know that it was
only on Discovery, plus you didn't have

1067
01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:02.239
the sting service. You can now
go directly to Travel Channel. And I

1068
01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:06.279
think they're going to start airing them
in order. So I think it's ten

1069
01:22:06.319 --> 01:22:10.720
pm Eastern time tomorrow is when it
starts, and then probably every week they'll

1070
01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:15.720
they'll keep that same time slot.
And I'm flying out right now to film

1071
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:20.720
episode two of season two, so
we're excited. Excellent. Well, just

1072
01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:26.720
to let the listener know that's we're
recording on Sunday ahead of the show,

1073
01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:32.079
so it'll have to be like the
following the following Monday, but you'll can

1074
01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:35.520
find that time slot. I can
go back in time, it'll already be

1075
01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:42.119
airing for them. Yeah, excellent. Well this has been a real pleasure

1076
01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:45.439
everyone. Thank you so much.
And if there wasn't people like you,

1077
01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:49.800
of course there would be no show. So I really appreciate it. Well,

1078
01:22:49.840 --> 01:22:55.960
you know, I tried podcasting one
time, actually twice, and if

1079
01:22:55.960 --> 01:22:58.439
people don't have never tried it,
they don't know how hard it is.

1080
01:22:58.479 --> 01:23:01.640
Every week, you you have to
prepare of like who you're going to have,

1081
01:23:02.239 --> 01:23:05.760
arrange your own personal life, you
know, to make that time slot,

1082
01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:10.239
prepare for the interview, um,
and you get committed to it.

1083
01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:14.760
But it's a lot. It's it's
a lot to do that, and you

1084
01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:17.720
know, most of the time people
are doing it because of the passion that

1085
01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:21.319
they have for it. I mean, you're lucky if you can actually make

1086
01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:25.640
money and doing it. It's a
it's a passion and that's why I really

1087
01:23:25.680 --> 01:23:29.000
appreciate people like you. And Martin
that do it and get the word out.

1088
01:23:30.079 --> 01:23:33.800
Well, thank you, thank you
all so much. Okay, welcolea

1089
01:23:34.039 --> 01:23:38.840
see not go bless you all right, we'll see you guys in another ten

1090
01:23:38.920 --> 01:23:47.159
years. Worky, okay, take
care by ye all right? Wow,

1091
01:23:47.680 --> 01:23:51.239
so that when it ends and ends
quick, so let's see where we're at.

1092
01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:55.279
Lee, thank you for hanging in. And who else have been hanged

1093
01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:58.479
Yeah? Lee and Chris have been
hanging in. I'm trying to remember who

1094
01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:05.159
popped in first. Was it Preston
or was it Chris? I think it

1095
01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:10.680
was you, Chris. I was
about to say, I think it was

1096
01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:14.960
Preston. Anyway, No, it's
quite a right, whatever is what's going

1097
01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:17.680
on. It's good to see.
Martin surprised me when I got your note

1098
01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:20.920
about ten years. It's it really
has been a long time. It was

1099
01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:26.079
just an occasional podcast you did back
when when I guess the first time I

1100
01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:30.279
spoke with you. But um,
yeah, I was doing them married two

1101
01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:32.600
weeks for the first part of this, and um, it's funny. I

1102
01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:35.680
got a lot of my guests.
I will tell you that I used to

1103
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:39.760
listen to Coast to Coast and I'd
say, wow, that guy, sounds

1104
01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:42.159
interesting. And then I heard you
one night and I said, wow,

1105
01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:46.319
um, I just thought I thought
it was really fascinating and uh, and

1106
01:24:46.439 --> 01:24:51.039
you're approachable and you actually answered,
which was very nice. You know,

1107
01:24:51.079 --> 01:24:55.600
a lot of a lot of people
in the very beginning didn't didn't seem to

1108
01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:59.720
answer, you know, the emails
right now, that's interesting someone being new,

1109
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:01.600
you know, I mean at it. But anyway, I was,

1110
01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:06.960
and you and I've had a lot
of long, long conversations over the years.

1111
01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:10.680
It's been a lot of fun.
Oh yeah, that is you don't

1112
01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:15.039
look any older. I think I
must look a lot older. But yeah,

1113
01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:18.920
I guess that was not long after
I had written the book. I

1114
01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:23.800
guess it was some point that the
things still not in print. And now

1115
01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:26.680
I feel like I should probably go
I should have talked to Philip, I

1116
01:25:26.720 --> 01:25:30.199
should find a publisher who can maybe
consider putting it in print. I just

1117
01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:33.000
have always been such a stickler for
wanting some nice images, you know,

1118
01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:39.000
good glossy images of the because of
the Paul Benewitz photos especially, so that's

1119
01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:43.600
why i went PDF first. But
it seemed like in the last few months

1120
01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:47.199
I've kind of gone on the quiet
side of things. At this stage and

1121
01:25:48.279 --> 01:25:53.520
actually decided to move from you know, I had revised the website, put

1122
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:57.600
it back on the book. I'm
gonna probably go at looking doing some more

1123
01:25:57.680 --> 01:26:00.880
documentary style things. I actually have
a when I've been working on for a

1124
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:02.479
while with some information I have on
the Scoro case, just kind of a

1125
01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:05.800
proof of concept thing. But I've
got a trailer, a teaser trailer.

1126
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:08.760
I'll send you a link to it. Let you take a look at that.

1127
01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:15.920
But more so even because there's well, you know, visual things seeing

1128
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:18.319
it's one of the reasons that it
mattered to me to have the photos really

1129
01:26:18.399 --> 01:26:21.359
good resolution, high color so you
could see it. And years ago I

1130
01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:26.600
did a book where I was actually
was working on a book where I wanted

1131
01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:30.920
to do the illustrations as though you
were standing there looking at the odd because

1132
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:33.720
it was all oil paintings back then, it wasn't wasn't done on Photoshop or

1133
01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:39.319
anything. And now being able to
do a lot of the CGI stuff and

1134
01:26:40.039 --> 01:26:44.800
illustrate actual what it would look like
if you were standing right there, those

1135
01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:46.239
are kind of things that would be
interested in doing a lot of graphic arts

1136
01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:51.399
kind of stuff as well. But
talented, I've seen your work. You're

1137
01:26:51.479 --> 01:26:55.600
very talented, and well, I
appreciate it, but wait till I send

1138
01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:57.600
you this teaser. I mean even
I have to think, you know what,

1139
01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:02.199
it looks pretty kick ass animating the
whole thing of the school object and

1140
01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:06.000
what it would look like from where
his Zamora was at the time. And

1141
01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:10.039
it's just I don't know, I'm
kind of proud of it, but I've

1142
01:27:10.039 --> 01:27:12.359
had to You can't teach an old
dog new tricks. By the way,

1143
01:27:12.359 --> 01:27:15.239
I had to learn some software,
maya and a few other things to actually

1144
01:27:15.319 --> 01:27:18.319
do this. But yeah, but
now the documentary side of things is really

1145
01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:21.079
it takes a lot of times.
You can't do everything yourself and get it

1146
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:24.960
all finished. At some point,
I'm going to have to job out certain

1147
01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:27.920
things. You know. One of
the things I gotta say, Chris,

1148
01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:30.600
so I thought you've done. You've
have done a very You did a very

1149
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:34.319
good job in the Paul Benewitz case, and anyone that looks it's a sad

1150
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:39.960
case but fascinating at the same time. I would love to see someday a

1151
01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:45.600
documentary made specifically about that case alone. That's the number two project I've got.

1152
01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:48.000
The third project is like the first
rule of Fight Club. I'm not

1153
01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:53.479
talking about the third one, but
actually no, you're absolutely correct. In

1154
01:27:53.640 --> 01:27:57.319
fact, before I began to work
in the SCOREL when I was doing some

1155
01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:00.600
looking at animating some of the Paul
Benewitz imagery. Maybe I'll send you a

1156
01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:06.399
link to actually have EXDSK Publishing and
XSK Digital. So I'm swinging over to

1157
01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:09.960
the digital side, but it's not
up now if there's the kind of a

1158
01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:15.760
holding page. But the idea of
doing documentaries the way I would want to

1159
01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:21.159
see them, where you actually see
images done realistic as though you were standing

1160
01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:25.760
there looking at it, and having
had some of the actual photos that Paul

1161
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:29.800
sent me helps a lot, because
once you get a good chance to see

1162
01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:32.760
the actual photos, I'd love to
have seen the ones that I didn't get

1163
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:38.279
to see. Right, You're right
if they're tucked a wearing a file somewhere

1164
01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:42.960
in the you know the family,
I know the somebody because of the burnt

1165
01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:46.520
situation, they felt that they're not
really talking to anyone. That's unfortunate if

1166
01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:51.199
those things ever get tossed. But
actually I made a trip to Santa Fe

1167
01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:55.600
to give a talk of a couple
of years back and made a point of

1168
01:28:55.880 --> 01:29:00.279
just happening to go buy Thunder Scientific. I just I got to show my

1169
01:29:00.399 --> 01:29:02.520
face in there, and at least
and I talked to his son. I

1170
01:29:02.600 --> 01:29:06.000
think it was his son, Ben
very gracious. I didn't. I mean,

1171
01:29:06.079 --> 01:29:09.680
it was just a five minute,
short trip thing just to tell them

1172
01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:13.520
how much I had kind of respected
their dad. But he was very gracious

1173
01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:15.000
guy. I mean, he was
a terrific guy about it. So maybe,

1174
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:18.159
but I did write a letter to
his wife said, if you've got

1175
01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:23.319
any of Paul's films stuck in away
in a safe somethingwhere take care of them.

1176
01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:27.600
Somebody must have them somewhere, that's
right. So we have a lot

1177
01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:31.640
of people that we just have a
Ben Moss and Tony Tony I always have

1178
01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:35.640
a and oh hey guys, I
just saw you guys come in down there.

1179
01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:40.640
Yeah, Tony post some terrific stuff
on Facebook. By the way,

1180
01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:44.319
when Tony posts stuff, I'm not
anymore. So I miss everything. But

1181
01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:48.520
we have Linda Zimmerman in and uh
Lee, I know I want to get

1182
01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:53.479
to talk to you more. I
don't know how how everyone's feeling about this,

1183
01:29:53.560 --> 01:29:56.920
but if everyone wants to hang out, I'm gonna go longer than eight

1184
01:29:56.960 --> 01:30:00.520
o'clock. So if anyone wants to
hang out and talk after that, um,

1185
01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:02.359
I just decided to do that,
but I want to. I think

1186
01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:11.840
Preston Dennet, you were next,
right, I think how you doing doing

1187
01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:15.680
doing great? Good? Great?
Yeah, well thanks for having me on

1188
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:20.560
your anniversary show. It's awesome.
Sure you're not getting sick of hearing it,

1189
01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:26.760
but yeah, congratulations, well thank
you, yeah, thank you,

1190
01:30:27.159 --> 01:30:30.039
And Preston up you always have a
book going on. Do you have a

1191
01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:34.239
book you're working on now? Of
course, yeah, you know it.

1192
01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:39.800
I've got like fifty more I want
to write. So I think this is

1193
01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:45.960
an important subject and you're doing great
work. Actually, you're hugely popular.

1194
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:48.520
You're out there, You've got all
kinds of hits. And whenever I do

1195
01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:53.159
a book, I make sure to
go through your shows, and I tried

1196
01:30:53.159 --> 01:30:57.119
to miss anything. I did a
book on schoolyard encounters, and I'm so

1197
01:30:57.279 --> 01:31:00.800
glad I went through your shows because
I thought them an amazing witness there.

1198
01:31:01.920 --> 01:31:05.359
And uh yeah, I am keeping
busy. I have loved the work you're

1199
01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:11.800
doing, and thank you. The
spield is just exploding. Ooops is that

1200
01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:23.279
me? That is me? Ye? Looks like yeah, we had a

1201
01:31:23.319 --> 01:31:26.600
little power thing going here. So
yeah, if that happens and I drop

1202
01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:29.439
out, everyone just keep going with
the show. I don't care when it

1203
01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:34.079
ends to just keep going. So
anyway, we have Dave Marler popped into.

1204
01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:38.880
Hi Dave. I'm just gonna say, I'm letting people talk one at

1205
01:31:38.920 --> 01:31:42.920
a time kind of the thing to
do here. But also when someone talks.

1206
01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:47.079
When someone talks, you can if
anyone wants to ask them a quick

1207
01:31:47.159 --> 01:31:49.520
question, you know, feel free. I don't want you to, you

1208
01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:54.000
know, we have a question you
want to ask someone, But now we

1209
01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:59.199
have we have a full house here
and Irene from Australia. Irene, welcome

1210
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:04.439
there were going to hear me.
I've just done meeted my Mike. How

1211
01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:11.560
are you great to be here.
I've got my Ginger Apple water carefere because

1212
01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:15.760
it's breakfast time here, actually late
breakfast over here in Australia. Congratulations,

1213
01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:21.119
Well thank you alcohol in that No, no, no alcohol, it's just

1214
01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:30.560
very healthy Profiletory. Thank you.
We all done teen years. My goodness.

1215
01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:34.039
We met in two thousand and nineteen
in person, but I have seen

1216
01:32:34.119 --> 01:32:39.680
you obviously online before that. But
yeah, it was a real thrill to

1217
01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:43.960
meet you at the Phoenix conference.
So yeah, yeah, we hung out

1218
01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:48.840
a lot several mates there with I
love the group you're in. It was

1219
01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:53.039
just it was just a fun and
you guys mean a trip around the country

1220
01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:55.760
right a little bit. Yeah,
we did a road trip. We went

1221
01:32:55.880 --> 01:33:00.359
to the Roswell Field and spell a
lot of from there. We're actually topping

1222
01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:08.520
the Carrow afterwards, so we got
to see all of the the legendary sides

1223
01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:13.159
around the area and that was quite
thrilling for us coming from the other side

1224
01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:20.520
of the world to do our kind
of neca UFO pilgrimage religiously away. Yeah,

1225
01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:26.720
it was really interesting. And you
also were able to connect me to

1226
01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:31.439
Ross Coldheart, which I think he's
a real powerhouse in this in the UFO

1227
01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:34.920
topic, and I was very very
grateful for that. Oh thank you.

1228
01:33:35.119 --> 01:33:40.720
I have his book here and he's
autographed it kindly for me. Um,

1229
01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:47.079
so that's got rather lovely. That's
going to be Christmas presents. Yeah,

1230
01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:51.359
a whole bunch of them in plain
side. Everybody who hasn't read it should

1231
01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:57.760
get a copy. The other needs
that down here is that there's a young

1232
01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:04.520
emerging emerging filmmaker, Anthony Riley,
who's working on trying to get a film

1233
01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:11.560
happening for about Westall. So all
your Americans with depockets, dig deep and

1234
01:34:11.800 --> 01:34:15.239
sponsor this film when it comes out. I don't know what when he's going

1235
01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:20.039
to start producing or looking for funding, but watch out for that one.

1236
01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:26.239
I think it would be amazing.
He's in touch with the witnesses and they're

1237
01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:30.000
very kindly giving him time and talking
to him, so he's getting to know

1238
01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:33.199
them, and I think it will
be really exciting to get a filmmate about

1239
01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:40.199
Westall, a recreation of Yeah,
the human side of it, I suppose

1240
01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:43.840
is what he's focusing on. I
don't know much about it yet, but

1241
01:34:44.279 --> 01:34:48.319
that's the little bit it I do
know. And yeah, that's wonderful.

1242
01:34:49.239 --> 01:34:54.199
Yes, hey, I need let's
see. I need us be safe.

1243
01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:57.159
I think. Let me see if
I can pipe come one in. I

1244
01:34:57.319 --> 01:35:01.239
can. Okay, never mind,
we have Leslie Kane on the line.

1245
01:35:01.720 --> 01:35:06.319
Leslie, how are you? I'm
good, How are you good? Thanks?

1246
01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:10.520
Thanks for coming on. We have
a bunch of people on. We're

1247
01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:14.800
having a good time, I would
say, and so thank you for thank

1248
01:35:14.840 --> 01:35:18.079
you for calling in, Leslie.
Yeah, I can always call back later,

1249
01:35:18.239 --> 01:35:21.840
especially many people waiting, you know, no that's all right. Everyone's

1250
01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:25.800
patient, right, you'll you'll get
to talk, right? Is everyone everyone

1251
01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:29.119
good? Okay? Yeah, they're
looking at me kind of angry, but

1252
01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:32.840
I think they're good. I think
we could clear the runway for Leslie Kane.

1253
01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:41.399
Okay. So, so, Leslie, I wanted to thank you.

1254
01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:45.039
Ralph was on, but unfortunately he
didn't. He didn't pop up. Um,

1255
01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:46.439
he didn't make it. But I
do want to thank you. You

1256
01:35:46.600 --> 01:35:56.159
helped me. Huh, you trusted
me enough in the beginning. I'm sorry.

1257
01:35:58.439 --> 01:36:00.960
I don't know who. It's just
mark this. I don't know what

1258
01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:05.159
that was. That wasn't I don't
know where that came from. You can

1259
01:36:05.239 --> 01:36:09.319
hear me now, Leslie, right, I do hear you, but I'm

1260
01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:12.880
not sure I know who you are. Unfortunately, no, this is Martin

1261
01:36:12.920 --> 01:36:15.560
Willis. Yeah, oh, Martin, I didn't know because I aren't you

1262
01:36:15.640 --> 01:36:18.680
on the show. I don't know. I'm confused. I'm sorry. I'm

1263
01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:21.840
sorry. Yeah, I should I
should have announced that you were live on

1264
01:36:21.920 --> 01:36:26.439
the show. You were live on
the show on my on right now,

1265
01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:29.760
you are on right now, and
thank you. Okay, it's awesome,

1266
01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:31.840
awesome. I didn't realize what was
going on here because somebody else was on

1267
01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:35.760
the line. So anyway, Martin, I'm going to add my congratulations along

1268
01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:40.079
with everybody else's, and then you've
gotten a lot of them tonight. You

1269
01:36:40.199 --> 01:36:45.079
deserved them all. Really really great
that you've done this for so long and

1270
01:36:45.279 --> 01:36:48.479
you've had a lot of great a
great diversity of people on your show from

1271
01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:53.680
all these different areas, and it's
really great that there's a platform for so

1272
01:36:53.800 --> 01:36:57.640
many different types of people to come
forward. And so thank you for doing

1273
01:36:57.720 --> 01:37:00.439
what you do. Thank you,
Leslie, and I do you want to

1274
01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:05.119
say thank you as well, because
um you you trusted me enough to connect

1275
01:37:05.159 --> 01:37:09.520
me to Chris Mellon. I was
the first one to interview him about this

1276
01:37:09.680 --> 01:37:14.640
topic, as well as Ralph Blumenthal, and uh, you know, through

1277
01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:16.720
you, I got to interview these
people, and I really really appreciate your

1278
01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:23.840
trust of course anytime. I'm glad
you were able to interview them. I

1279
01:37:24.039 --> 01:37:28.520
remember back in the days of remember
that conference we met at in person back

1280
01:37:28.600 --> 01:37:32.800
in yes thirteen maybe with the Chilean
know, the guy from the Chilean government,

1281
01:37:32.920 --> 01:37:36.760
and the only time we've ever met
in person, that's right, that

1282
01:37:36.920 --> 01:37:41.760
was in North North Carolina, right, yes, yeah, And I also

1283
01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:45.920
appreciate your giving a platform to these, you know, the people from those

1284
01:37:45.960 --> 01:37:49.239
other countries who came for that conference. That was really important. Yes,

1285
01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:53.399
yeah, that was That was great. That was That was where I met

1286
01:37:53.399 --> 01:37:56.520
Alejandro Rojaus and I don't know where
he is he was supposed to be popping

1287
01:37:56.560 --> 01:38:01.000
in. But anyway, it's been
a real pleasure, and I hope to

1288
01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:04.439
have you on the show when you
can talk about stuff, because I know

1289
01:38:04.560 --> 01:38:09.800
you have a lot going on,
but I know how the the NDAs are

1290
01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:14.720
and you can't say a lot of
things that you're doing. But that'll be

1291
01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:17.119
great to have you back on again
when you can. Thanks. And it's

1292
01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:20.680
not NDA. It's just like when
I did that when I was involved the

1293
01:38:20.800 --> 01:38:25.159
next such series, Surviving Death.
I mean I was allowed to talk about

1294
01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:29.319
it until like a couple of weeks
before it is announced or even scared,

1295
01:38:29.439 --> 01:38:32.520
you know. So if we're hand
another projects for amazing yet what I'm really

1296
01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:38.680
upset about you keeping not talking about
it, so I just can't. But

1297
01:38:38.800 --> 01:38:43.399
it's gonna be. It's an exciting
project coming along last year. Great,

1298
01:38:43.840 --> 01:38:47.319
great, excellent. Well thank you
Leslie. Okay, good to talk to

1299
01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:49.720
you, Martin. Take care,
Thank you. All right, you take

1300
01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:55.600
care too, thank you. Okay, bye bye. All right, let's

1301
01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:59.880
see um all we have Peggy.
Peggy was contacted me. She's on the

1302
01:39:00.079 --> 01:39:03.000
line as well, and a few
other people are too, but I'd like

1303
01:39:03.079 --> 01:39:08.760
to squeeze them in when I can, because Peggy was one of my very

1304
01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:11.640
first listeners and helped me out for
many, many years. So I'll be

1305
01:39:11.720 --> 01:39:14.399
bringing her on. Hopefully she'll hang
in there for a while. But I

1306
01:39:14.479 --> 01:39:18.199
want to bring up I can't remember
who was next was at Linda. I

1307
01:39:18.279 --> 01:39:21.319
think it was Linda, and then
Tony and Ben hanging there. Tony and

1308
01:39:21.359 --> 01:39:27.520
Ben don't go anywhere. Linda,
welcome to the show. Thank you so

1309
01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:32.039
much, and congratulations. This amazing
lineup of people I think is just a

1310
01:39:32.199 --> 01:39:38.039
testament to the incredible work you've done. So I'm a huge fan of the

1311
01:39:38.159 --> 01:39:44.720
show and you've just done so much
for the field. Thank you well,

1312
01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:46.359
Thank you, Linda. And it's
always I love when you call in.

1313
01:39:46.479 --> 01:39:50.720
You've called in and asked some really
great questions to guests. And you have

1314
01:39:50.920 --> 01:39:55.479
your shows it once a month or
something like that. I don't know how

1315
01:39:55.600 --> 01:40:00.279
you do it every week. I
do have UFO headquarters once a mole and

1316
01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:04.319
that's more than I can handle with
everything else going on. So for you

1317
01:40:04.439 --> 01:40:11.399
to do this fifty two weeks a
year for ten years is phenomenal. I'm

1318
01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:15.600
I'm in awe. Well, thank
you. Lee has to drop out.

1319
01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:17.319
Lee, thank you so much.
Well, thank you, thank you.

1320
01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:23.000
It's been great seeing all these great
faces. Some I know, some I

1321
01:40:23.079 --> 01:40:28.239
don't know, something very far away, like Irene David Marlow, who I

1322
01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:30.439
just saw two days ago, and
I don't need to see him so soon.

1323
01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:36.159
But no, it's great to see
everyone. Congratulations to you, Martin.

1324
01:40:38.840 --> 01:40:44.600
May I be as fortunate as you
over ten years to do something like

1325
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:46.600
this as as well as you've done, And I hope I look like you

1326
01:40:46.760 --> 01:40:53.840
in ten years soon. So you're
too kind. All right, thank you,

1327
01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:59.560
thank you very much. Take care, Linda. I didn't know if

1328
01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:03.840
you were done speaking. Oh,
I just wanted to thank you and keep

1329
01:41:04.039 --> 01:41:09.000
keep up the good work. You're
an amazing resource. As you know.

1330
01:41:09.199 --> 01:41:15.439
I'm always I'm always listening when I
can, and you've just created an archive

1331
01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:20.079
of material here that I think is
going to be a fabulous resource for the

1332
01:41:20.199 --> 01:41:24.800
next generation. Thank you. I
think of that sometimes too, you know,

1333
01:41:24.920 --> 01:41:29.039
and that's why I try to get
as much good information out there,

1334
01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:31.920
you know, as possible, because
you know, for someone looking back,

1335
01:41:32.079 --> 01:41:35.600
you know that I have like three
hundred some on videos up on YouTube of

1336
01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:40.399
interviews and some of them are pretty
interesting. So but thank you very much.

1337
01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:44.880
And speaking of that, for those
listeners out there, tomorrow will be

1338
01:41:45.039 --> 01:41:51.319
episode number one. It's a replay
that will be up on my YouTube channel

1339
01:41:51.399 --> 01:41:57.760
only, and that's with Stephen Basset, my very first episode and Michael Masters

1340
01:41:57.840 --> 01:42:00.479
just joined. Michael hanging there.
I'll get to you in a minute.

1341
01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:04.359
Thank you for joining. And he
coined the phrase what was that pod part?

1342
01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:09.880
No party pod That's what he said. This is party hell yeah,

1343
01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:14.039
pod party, that's it? Yes, yeah. Um So, first of

1344
01:42:14.079 --> 01:42:18.680
all, Ben and Tony, how
are you guys doing good? I'm happy

1345
01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:24.560
anniversary. Well, thank you.
And you two have been on the show

1346
01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:27.760
many times. It's always been a
lot of fun. And we got to

1347
01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:30.840
meet a couple of times, and
you have been on all kinds of things.

1348
01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:35.000
Do you have anything going on these
days? Well, we just spoke

1349
01:42:35.119 --> 01:42:40.159
at Mysteries of Space and Sky,
one of the oldest UFO conferences on the

1350
01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:44.479
East Coast. I think it's been
around for twenty eight years in Maryland and

1351
01:42:44.920 --> 01:42:53.199
uh uh we're there with Colonel Halt
and uh Rob swy Tech and the usual

1352
01:42:53.319 --> 01:42:58.079
suspects that lounge around the DC area. But yeah, we uh, we're

1353
01:42:58.119 --> 01:43:02.239
doing some cases on our own and
just trying to figure it out, just

1354
01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:06.920
like everybody else is. Yeah,
yeah, have you been Tony good?

1355
01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:10.399
You know, let's just think about
at the time that we were up in

1356
01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:18.079
raised attic, it was like nine
hundred degrees and uh, I love how

1357
01:43:18.159 --> 01:43:24.960
Ray just pupped the shirt right off. Yeah that's right. Yeah, Ray

1358
01:43:25.079 --> 01:43:30.239
had gained an ounce of body weight
in eighty four years. He just maintains

1359
01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:34.479
the same I know, I know, And yeah it's something else, But

1360
01:43:34.720 --> 01:43:39.399
let me just see what I need
to get this caller in on the line

1361
01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:45.680
that Peggy It has spent. She
was on my Let's see, I think

1362
01:43:45.760 --> 01:43:49.880
Peggy contacted me real early on,
very early on. I was about four

1363
01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:53.880
shows, and she was telling me
I was doing everything wrong. Isn't that

1364
01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:59.159
right? Peggy, You're live on
the show and I haven't changed Martin.

1365
01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:03.880
I know she told me the what
four and uh, actually, Peggy,

1366
01:44:03.960 --> 01:44:10.520
I owe you a lot of for
the wonderful So it became yes, it's

1367
01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:13.960
all it's all your fault. You
helped me along the way, so I

1368
01:44:14.039 --> 01:44:17.520
do appreciate that congratulation. Sweetie.
Wow, ten years, I know,

1369
01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:20.119
I know, I can't believe it. It's hard to believe, isn't it,

1370
01:44:20.439 --> 01:44:25.399
because I think you started listening in
like two thousand and twelve, right.

1371
01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:30.720
I went back on her shortly after
we moved to Las Vegas, and

1372
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:34.479
we moved here in two thousand and
eleven. So yeah, and Peggy,

1373
01:44:34.560 --> 01:44:40.439
you managed the Facebook page, did
stuff every day for like eight years,

1374
01:44:40.560 --> 01:44:45.119
and you know, I don't know
why you did it, but thank you

1375
01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:53.279
so much because I have no life. Yeah, but anyway, it's a

1376
01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:57.319
it's funny Peggy did. I asked
her to do it an experiment one time

1377
01:44:57.359 --> 01:45:00.239
on Facebook. I said, Okay, put a picture up and then put

1378
01:45:00.319 --> 01:45:04.720
a link to something else entirely different, and let's see how many people will

1379
01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:09.680
comment about the link. And sure
enough, everyone commented about the picture.

1380
01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:13.800
Nobody even bothered to click the link. It was perfect. Remember that,

1381
01:45:14.359 --> 01:45:18.039
you thankly remember that. Yeah,
what I would like to know is why

1382
01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:25.159
you have an eight in ten years? Well, it's that really pisses me

1383
01:45:25.279 --> 01:45:29.520
off. I'm sorry. Well,
yeah, I'm a hybrid that I am

1384
01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:33.039
honored to be on with such illusterious
guests. Oh my gosh, all my

1385
01:45:33.399 --> 01:45:39.359
favorites are on, and it's it's
amazing. It's amazing what you've done and

1386
01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:44.279
how you've persevered and how you have
managed not to jump to shark like so

1387
01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:48.279
many in all these years. Oh
well, well, thank you. Yeah,

1388
01:45:48.359 --> 01:45:54.520
I know we've had a couple of
conversations about when people's you know,

1389
01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:59.359
phone conversations, but when people's material
kind of gets tired, and how they

1390
01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:03.279
they seem to have to invent a
little bit to make things, make them

1391
01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:11.439
more. Yeah, I'll be good. I'm relevant, squeer. I didn't

1392
01:46:11.479 --> 01:46:15.960
hear that. I didn't hear you're
supposed to cough when you do that,

1393
01:46:19.159 --> 01:46:26.239
soh my gosh. Yeah, I'm
not going to keep you because I know

1394
01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:29.560
you've got tons of people. But
it's a great show and you're a great

1395
01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:32.079
person, and the best thing to
come out of this was meeting you.

1396
01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:38.520
Oh thank you, Peggy. That's
very sweet to you. All Right,

1397
01:46:38.680 --> 01:46:44.600
you take care talk to them.
Yeah, I have to take off two

1398
01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:47.199
actually, okay, all right,
Preston, thank you so much for popping

1399
01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:50.520
in. Nice to you. Yeah, thanks, Thanks, for having me.

1400
01:46:50.680 --> 01:46:54.680
It's nice to see all these familiar
faces and new friends, and yeah,

1401
01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:59.359
it's awesome. Good luck for ten
years. All right, take care.

1402
01:47:00.319 --> 01:47:03.199
Dave Marler, I think you were
next, right, and then Michael

1403
01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:08.359
Masters after Dave. How are you
doing well, Martin? I'm just go

1404
01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:11.920
I was able to squeeze this in. I just got off work and rushed

1405
01:47:11.960 --> 01:47:14.119
home, got on my computer,
and I was hoping I would catch you

1406
01:47:14.199 --> 01:47:16.359
towards the end here at least a
little bit. And my god, what

1407
01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:19.920
the lineup you have here? What
a what a what a group of researchers.

1408
01:47:20.319 --> 01:47:24.319
Uh, I don't know if it's
so much an anniversary as a UFO

1409
01:47:24.439 --> 01:47:29.680
convention of sorts. Yeah, it's
kind of. I just started sending out.

1410
01:47:29.720 --> 01:47:31.199
I didn't hear from a lot of
people, but I mean, I

1411
01:47:31.399 --> 01:47:35.840
was really glad that some people came
in. And this is a Dave old

1412
01:47:35.920 --> 01:47:40.199
Larry. David will be talking to
you as soon. David o'larry from Project

1413
01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:45.119
Bluebook just popped in. Um,
but yeah, David, you David Marler

1414
01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:51.039
I'm talking to But um, I've
always loved having you on the show.

1415
01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:57.199
You've always you always have such wonderful
things to say and and um, I

1416
01:47:57.399 --> 01:48:00.880
really love your integrity and I'm glad
that we have become friends over the years,

1417
01:48:00.960 --> 01:48:05.199
and and you have been on the
show. I don't know how many

1418
01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:09.520
times, but it's always every single
time. It's very enjoyable. Well,

1419
01:48:09.560 --> 01:48:13.439
I always appreciate the opportunity. As
I've told you, I think privately as

1420
01:48:13.479 --> 01:48:15.279
well as on the show, and
I speak for many people. I think

1421
01:48:15.439 --> 01:48:18.640
in this respect, we can do
our research, but if we don't have

1422
01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:23.920
a vehicle by which to share the
information with the general public, what good

1423
01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:30.239
is it. And so conferences and
podcasts like yours with an extremely you know,

1424
01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:34.159
knowledgeable audience on the subject. I
really think your audience shows a lot

1425
01:48:34.199 --> 01:48:39.720
of discernment when it comes to the
credible versus the non credible. And I

1426
01:48:39.840 --> 01:48:44.279
have to tell you, after hearing
Peggy, I wish I could live a

1427
01:48:44.319 --> 01:48:45.399
little closer to Peggy. I'd love
to have a beer with her. She

1428
01:48:45.479 --> 01:48:48.520
sounds like she's a lot of fun. So she's a blast. She's a

1429
01:48:48.560 --> 01:48:51.560
blast. I mean she right away. She's like yelling at me on the

1430
01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:55.239
phone when I first met her,
like why are you doing that for?

1431
01:48:55.479 --> 01:49:00.720
Don't do that? And she really
us she's awesome, but I just want

1432
01:49:00.760 --> 01:49:03.439
to just say because KGr A is
only going to be on for a short

1433
01:49:03.479 --> 01:49:09.560
time and we have Bobby was one
of the early people that I met in

1434
01:49:09.720 --> 01:49:13.319
this UFO field. I met him
at the North Carolina conference. I think

1435
01:49:13.319 --> 01:49:16.880
it was twenty thirteen. Bobby,
Welcome to the show. You're live.

1436
01:49:17.000 --> 01:49:20.159
Hey, how are you doing?
Hey? How you doing, Bobby relations

1437
01:49:20.720 --> 01:49:29.319
Thank you. I'm just amazed by
the level of the people that love you

1438
01:49:29.439 --> 01:49:32.119
so much that are here tonight for
you. It's mind boggling. It's like

1439
01:49:32.359 --> 01:49:38.479
who of uthology. It's absolutely amazing. Yeah, Well, thank you,

1440
01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:44.880
Well, thank What's the thing that's
done for me? Is one thing that

1441
01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:47.199
you've done for me is you know, I read a lot of books my

1442
01:49:47.319 --> 01:49:51.279
whole life about UFOs and different UFO
stories, but you were able to bring

1443
01:49:53.159 --> 01:49:59.479
um all these different stories to life
for me, like Incident Exeter Travis Walton

1444
01:50:00.199 --> 01:50:02.479
Um, the Pascal Goula case,
the cast Landrum case. You actually found

1445
01:50:02.520 --> 01:50:05.439
these people, were able to interview
them and brought them to light. It

1446
01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:09.920
wasn't just something you read in the
book. And I'm humbled to be your

1447
01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:14.079
friend. Well, thank you so
much. Thank you. All Right,

1448
01:50:14.239 --> 01:50:18.279
Well, I gotta we're getting ready
for KGr A is going to drop off

1449
01:50:18.319 --> 01:50:23.680
the line here, so take care, Bobby. Thank you. All right,

1450
01:50:24.279 --> 01:50:29.680
thanks a lot. Right, we
had our blogger, Charles Lear dropped

1451
01:50:29.720 --> 01:50:31.439
out and I didn't get a chance
to talk to him. I'm going to

1452
01:50:31.520 --> 01:50:38.680
try to h going to try to
reach back to him. So I would

1453
01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:43.279
like Michael Masters if you could.
How are you, Michael? Always?

1454
01:50:44.600 --> 01:50:48.199
Yeah, Lake was cheers brother ten
years. Cheers ten years. That's awesome.

1455
01:50:48.680 --> 01:50:53.000
I'm guessing that's not kool aid in
that. No, that is a

1456
01:50:53.239 --> 01:50:57.439
fine French cognac, my friend.
Thank you, thank you. Well,

1457
01:50:57.560 --> 01:51:00.680
it's actually not that fine. It's
it's just tennis. See, I can't

1458
01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:04.439
afford anything else. But it's still
damn good. Yeah. But anyway,

1459
01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:08.760
Michael, Uh, I hung out
with you out in Phoenix. I had

1460
01:51:08.920 --> 01:51:12.720
such a fun time with you,
and it was it was a blast.

1461
01:51:12.840 --> 01:51:17.800
But how are you doing these days? Yeah? I'm doing well. Uh,

1462
01:51:18.079 --> 01:51:20.159
enough about me, though, How
are you doing? So? Is

1463
01:51:20.199 --> 01:51:25.399
your your pod party? No?
No, doing great. I'm really happy

1464
01:51:25.479 --> 01:51:29.439
that all these people have showed up
and uh, it's been been a real

1465
01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:33.159
blast. Now for those of you
not familiar, Michael has an idea and

1466
01:51:33.239 --> 01:51:38.680
it's just one of the many ideas
that it's possible. Did you want to

1467
01:51:38.720 --> 01:51:41.960
just in a nutshell, do that
real quickly? What's your what's your?

1468
01:51:42.079 --> 01:51:45.199
Yeah? Absolutely. I always preface
it with the fact that it's not my

1469
01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:49.359
idea either, because people have been
advocating for this idea since the nineteen forties

1470
01:51:49.399 --> 01:51:54.680
and probably earlier. Just that,
uh, that the aliens are time traveling

1471
01:51:54.800 --> 01:52:00.199
humans from the future as opposed to
extraterrestrials at least part of the phenomen coming

1472
01:52:00.239 --> 01:52:04.079
on, though I don't preclude the
extra dress or hypothesis or any of them.

1473
01:52:04.199 --> 01:52:10.520
I think with a phenomenon this mysterious
and complex, we should be considering

1474
01:52:10.600 --> 01:52:14.479
every valid hypothesis. So it's just
one of many, and it's been around

1475
01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:17.239
for a while. I just took
kind of a multidisciplinary approach to it and

1476
01:52:18.399 --> 01:52:21.720
tried to look at as much as
I could, but all of us are

1477
01:52:21.760 --> 01:52:25.680
limited in what we can know about
this, so it's just one small piece

1478
01:52:25.720 --> 01:52:29.960
of the puzzle. Yeah, we're
we're just just to let you know that.

1479
01:52:30.119 --> 01:52:33.039
That's the end of the show for
KGr A Radio. Thank you so

1480
01:52:33.239 --> 01:52:36.359
much, Bill, and let's see
I'll just pop Bill back in. Thank

1481
01:52:36.439 --> 01:52:41.239
you Bill for all you do,
my pleasure, Martin, have a great

1482
01:52:41.439 --> 01:52:45.199
show, all right, all right, take care, bye bye bye.

1483
01:52:45.239 --> 01:52:47.039
Well that's not fair that I got
the last word on your pod party.

1484
01:52:47.800 --> 01:52:51.880
Well no, that's just on on
KGr A radio. We're still we're still

1485
01:52:51.920 --> 01:52:56.199
okay, we're still doing this will
be on YouTube and talk. I was

1486
01:52:56.239 --> 01:53:00.039
gonna feel guilty about that the last
things said. Well, yeah, no,

1487
01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:02.920
this is awesome. I wanted to
congratulate you. I mean, I

1488
01:53:03.000 --> 01:53:10.000
can't imagine doing anything for ten years, um like literally anything. I don't.

1489
01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:13.840
I get sick of things so fast. So for you to hammer down

1490
01:53:13.920 --> 01:53:17.359
on it for ten years and still
be putting together fine content is highly commendable.

1491
01:53:17.479 --> 01:53:23.399
So well done. I will tell
you you know that there was a

1492
01:53:23.520 --> 01:53:29.359
time where, um, I did
think about quitting. I would say about

1493
01:53:29.439 --> 01:53:31.680
five years ago. I thought,
well, you know, maybe maybe it's

1494
01:53:31.720 --> 01:53:36.560
time. Uh, maybe it's run
its course. And so I think anyone

1495
01:53:36.640 --> 01:53:42.199
that does anything for any length of
time will come up with those challenges and

1496
01:53:42.640 --> 01:53:46.000
uh so, Uh. The bottom
line is, I don't know what happened.

1497
01:53:46.119 --> 01:53:49.720
There was some feuding going on.
Well oftentimes in the UFO world,

1498
01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:53.960
there's some feuding going on here and
there. It's weird to hear you say

1499
01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:58.119
that. I've never noticed that,
and that's news to me. I mean

1500
01:53:59.520 --> 01:54:04.039
tell I'm yeah, I'm also unfamiliar. Yeah, Dave, I'm gonna Dave

1501
01:54:04.239 --> 01:54:08.399
Olarry, I'm gonna bring you up
next. But first of all, Charles

1502
01:54:08.640 --> 01:54:15.399
Lee are you there? Charles Hi? Charles, I think he's having some

1503
01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:18.720
internet issues. This is Charles Lear. You can see his image there.

1504
01:54:18.840 --> 01:54:24.760
He's been doing the blogs for several
years now, does a wonderful job.

1505
01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:29.680
And well he's gone for now.
So I want to bring up Dave.

1506
01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:34.479
Oh Leary, how are you,
Dave. I'm doing good. Congratulations Martin,

1507
01:54:34.560 --> 01:54:38.079
thanks for having me, Thank you, thank you. It was so

1508
01:54:38.319 --> 01:54:42.039
fun hanging out with you a few
weeks ago. I know, I know,

1509
01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:45.119
I was looking. I saw online
like sort of the list of the

1510
01:54:45.439 --> 01:54:48.079
guests you have, so I think
I can say where we were, which

1511
01:54:48.239 --> 01:54:54.319
was our our friend Bryce Sables house, And it was an absolute blast to

1512
01:54:54.399 --> 01:55:00.279
see you and just feel privileged to
be on and I see, uh,

1513
01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:03.479
I see my man David Marler there
as well, so so nice to see

1514
01:55:03.479 --> 01:55:09.840
a you know a few faces uh
that I know here, and uh,

1515
01:55:10.319 --> 01:55:13.159
I just want to say, like
a big congratulations to you. I mean

1516
01:55:13.239 --> 01:55:15.720
ten years. You know, I
think Michael was saying it's hard to do

1517
01:55:15.880 --> 01:55:21.720
anything for ten years. So that's
right, that's right. Big congratulations to

1518
01:55:21.880 --> 01:55:28.640
you on this milestone. Thank you
so after Project blue Book, Um that

1519
01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:32.920
that was what two seasons and now
now you have something. Can you talk

1520
01:55:32.920 --> 01:55:38.760
a little bit about what you have
going on? I can, sadly only

1521
01:55:39.079 --> 01:55:43.479
sort of due to certain like NDAs
and things like that very broadly, but

1522
01:55:43.800 --> 01:55:47.079
UM, I'm doing I'm back.
I'm back in the in the rabbit hole

1523
01:55:47.199 --> 01:55:51.520
with my Project blue Book cohort Sean
Jablonsky, who wanted to be here today

1524
01:55:51.560 --> 01:56:00.119
but unfortunately couldn't uh to uh examine
the Roswell incident. Uh and uh for

1525
01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:06.359
tnt UM. It was announced,
the project was announced, and you know,

1526
01:56:06.479 --> 01:56:11.960
listen, I mean this is this
is a granddaddy huge case, regardless

1527
01:56:12.119 --> 01:56:15.439
on sort of where you fall on
sort of you know, whether you believe

1528
01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:19.319
in the events that occurred or you're
more agnostic to what to what's happened.

1529
01:56:19.640 --> 01:56:26.560
Uh. You know, it's a
it's a sort of humbling, uh humbling

1530
01:56:27.319 --> 01:56:30.760
proposition for us to be going down
this rabbit hole of examining the Roswell incident

1531
01:56:30.840 --> 01:56:34.720
and bringing that to to hopefully to
a TV screen, you know, in

1532
01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:42.439
a dramatized way. Uh you know, uh soon So, um, well,

1533
01:56:42.520 --> 01:56:45.680
that's that's good information. Now,
have you a good person to reach

1534
01:56:45.760 --> 01:56:48.760
out to? Was on the show
earlier, Kevin Randall. He's he's someone

1535
01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:51.720
that has done a lot of work
on that. I'd be glad that you

1536
01:56:51.800 --> 01:56:55.600
make the connection if you need to. Sure, Yes, that's a name

1537
01:56:55.680 --> 01:57:00.640
I certainly know, uh and have
definitely read various uh you know, definitely

1538
01:57:00.680 --> 01:57:02.640
read Kevin before. So thank thank
you for that, Martin. That'd be

1539
01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:08.640
that'd be amazing. Yeah, yeah, I feel I feel, you know,

1540
01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:12.479
I know that I'm we're on the
horn here with so many wonderful researchers

1541
01:57:12.520 --> 01:57:16.520
and hard my hard you know,
so obviously you know, I'm a screenwriter.

1542
01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:20.279
I come at it in a slightly
different approach, but I I am

1543
01:57:20.399 --> 01:57:26.520
a you know, I hope everyone
knows a big, a big uh you

1544
01:57:26.600 --> 01:57:30.159
know. Just I love gobbling up
information on UFOs, So I was I

1545
01:57:30.319 --> 01:57:34.000
was geeking out a little when Michael
was talking about sort of the the time

1546
01:57:34.279 --> 01:57:41.079
US in the future hypothesis is one
that I've I've explored as well, just

1547
01:57:41.279 --> 01:57:44.960
in my you know, I've always
felt that that something that that rang true

1548
01:57:45.039 --> 01:57:48.720
for me, so I uh,
you know, it's it's just another just

1549
01:57:48.880 --> 01:57:54.680
an interesting viewpoint into the phenomena.
So I was enjoying hearing a little bit

1550
01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:59.840
about about that perspective. Um,
yes, yeah, I would like to

1551
01:58:00.319 --> 01:58:04.239
open this, uh, this whole
thing up for if anyone would like to

1552
01:58:04.359 --> 01:58:10.840
tackle like a certain topic one of
the things that that people are. One

1553
01:58:10.840 --> 01:58:14.439
of the questions I had in the
very beginning is you know, what are

1554
01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:16.840
they? What do they want from
us? Does anyone? I thought it

1555
01:58:16.880 --> 01:58:20.399
would be fun. I just occurred
to me if anyone wants to, maybe

1556
01:58:20.439 --> 01:58:25.119
we can do kind of a round
robin if anyone, because that's one thing

1557
01:58:25.199 --> 01:58:30.399
after doing the four hundred eighty shows
is uh, I've heard so many different

1558
01:58:30.520 --> 01:58:34.800
ideas on what they are. Michael, who's with us? That's definitely an

1559
01:58:34.920 --> 01:58:41.079
idea that is different from a lot
of you know, the mainstream thoughts of

1560
01:58:41.720 --> 01:58:47.479
what these objects are. I don't
know if anyone wants to tackle umph.

1561
01:58:48.439 --> 01:58:51.960
Yeah, who's that? It's been
a right hey Ben? Okay? Yeah,

1562
01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:57.640
Um, you know it's interesting because
there you know, the government released

1563
01:58:57.680 --> 01:59:02.039
the nine page which was actually seven
page document that they released was kind of

1564
01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:06.760
what I thought it would be a
nothing burger. But and the scary thing

1565
01:59:06.840 --> 01:59:12.399
about that was they hinted that it
was adversaries instead of ET, which is

1566
01:59:12.479 --> 01:59:16.680
scarier than the reverse. But Tony
and I, you know, were at

1567
01:59:16.840 --> 01:59:26.199
a conference once where we were talking
to a military person who had the highest

1568
01:59:26.479 --> 01:59:31.840
authority of clearance to look into all
the different intelligent agencies. And I'll never

1569
01:59:31.920 --> 01:59:36.640
forget what he said at that at
that meeting when I asked him, I

1570
01:59:36.760 --> 01:59:41.600
go, what did you find out? And he said that at the very

1571
01:59:41.720 --> 01:59:45.640
top of the hierarchy of who runs, you know, if it's building burgs

1572
01:59:45.760 --> 01:59:49.880
or whatever, everything, he said, we're not in charge. And I

1573
01:59:50.159 --> 01:59:53.079
said, what do you mean,
we're not in charge? And all he

1574
01:59:53.159 --> 01:59:57.720
did was roll his eyes up like
he was inferring that an ET presence was

1575
01:59:57.800 --> 02:00:02.199
in charge. And So if this
whole thing is something that, as some

1576
02:00:02.319 --> 02:00:06.720
people have described as something you really
wouldn't want to know the answer because it

1577
02:00:06.760 --> 02:00:13.239
would be so terrifying or it would
blow away your perception of reality and how

1578
02:00:13.319 --> 02:00:17.119
the world works, then that makes
sense in a couple of ways. Because,

1579
02:00:17.199 --> 02:00:19.319
first of all, I don't believe
in disclosure, because I don't think

1580
02:00:19.319 --> 02:00:23.319
they're ever going to say, we've
been lying to you for seventy years.

1581
02:00:23.439 --> 02:00:26.720
But if they don't know what it
is, or they do know what it

1582
02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:30.720
is, and it's so terrifying that
they don't want to tell anybody and that's

1583
02:00:30.760 --> 02:00:35.520
the real reason why they'll never be
a disposure, then that's even scarier.

1584
02:00:35.720 --> 02:00:40.520
So all the theories that have come
out all may be true. It could

1585
02:00:40.520 --> 02:00:44.359
be interdimensional, it could be time
travelers, it could be species from other

1586
02:00:44.479 --> 02:00:46.960
planets, but you know, I
tend to think that it's you know,

1587
02:00:47.079 --> 02:00:51.840
there's multiple sources of life out there, and they're obviously visiting us. So

1588
02:00:53.399 --> 02:00:58.960
I like the et apothesis. But
the fact that somebody really deep inside the

1589
02:00:59.039 --> 02:01:03.119
government said that not in control of
her own destiny, if that's the truth,

1590
02:01:03.279 --> 02:01:08.800
and that's scarier than anything I've ever
run across in research. One of

1591
02:01:08.880 --> 02:01:13.359
the things I don't know if anyone
watched the interview with Kurt the Theory of

1592
02:01:13.439 --> 02:01:19.720
Everything interviewed lou Alsando, any post
an interesting question, and that was,

1593
02:01:20.960 --> 02:01:26.199
what if there's some intelligence here?
What if we're not the top of the

1594
02:01:26.279 --> 02:01:30.359
food chain, something's highly intelligent.
What if that's part of this, that

1595
02:01:30.560 --> 02:01:34.279
something is here and has been here
all along, but we don't see them.

1596
02:01:34.399 --> 02:01:39.479
We don't see them for whatever reason. I thought that was It was

1597
02:01:39.600 --> 02:01:44.079
kind of, you know, kind
of eerie to hear that. But there's

1598
02:01:44.159 --> 02:01:46.000
also I don't know if anyone has
followed this. As a woman I think

1599
02:01:46.039 --> 02:01:50.159
her name is something like Anna League
work for the government, supposedly, and

1600
02:01:50.279 --> 02:01:56.039
she says that she's going to have
a talk with the beings underground. I

1601
02:01:56.079 --> 02:02:00.640
don't know has anyone followed that,
and that they're it's that expedition has been

1602
02:02:00.680 --> 02:02:06.079
canceled as of now. It was
canceled our postpone like all the doomsdays day

1603
02:02:06.159 --> 02:02:11.560
or to do you know, like
maybe maybe I love postpone it to another

1604
02:02:11.640 --> 02:02:14.720
date, but she was kicked out
of the property or something. But anyway,

1605
02:02:15.319 --> 02:02:19.319
any other takes on what they could
be or any other topics. We

1606
02:02:19.399 --> 02:02:24.039
have such a great group here,
I'd love to the only one that's ever

1607
02:02:24.439 --> 02:02:27.800
come up to me, And this
is a this is a weird one,

1608
02:02:27.920 --> 02:02:30.119
but I you know, I got
interested for a while in sort of the

1609
02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:36.920
simulated reality hypothesis. I read a
book I have it here, where is

1610
02:02:38.000 --> 02:02:42.079
it? But it basically kind of
looks I can't find it now on my

1611
02:02:42.159 --> 02:02:45.159
shelf, but it sort of looks
at the simulated reality hypothesis through a sort

1612
02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:54.720
of a multidisciplinary lens. And in
that book they kind of talked about UFOs

1613
02:02:55.600 --> 02:03:01.119
sort of as you know, the
game masters interacting with the game sphere kind

1614
02:03:01.119 --> 02:03:09.479
of a thing where uh, this
kind of way throw it out there is

1615
02:03:09.560 --> 02:03:14.640
just you know, food for fodder. I guess it's sort of like assimulations

1616
02:03:14.720 --> 02:03:19.279
and believe I thought this is to
believe in UFOs look at it through the

1617
02:03:19.439 --> 02:03:27.279
lens of like, yeah, this
other intelligence that is essentially uh right,

1618
02:03:27.439 --> 02:03:30.000
you know, maybe behind what life
is like we are avatars and they are

1619
02:03:30.079 --> 02:03:33.239
viewing it through us. That that
somehow UFOs are involved in that. So

1620
02:03:33.880 --> 02:03:39.840
I throw it out there just to
just to add more uh layers to this

1621
02:03:40.039 --> 02:03:44.039
thing. But something that always sort
of stuck with me is like, Wow,

1622
02:03:44.119 --> 02:03:46.560
that's that's a different one that I
hadn't you know, heard of,

1623
02:03:46.840 --> 02:03:53.560
Yeah, anyone else on that.
Well, I guess I'll take a quick

1624
02:03:53.680 --> 02:03:58.920
StEB I have a I have a
more I think mundane view of it.

1625
02:03:59.359 --> 02:04:05.399
Um, we are explorers and when
we get the technology, we'll be doing

1626
02:04:05.720 --> 02:04:12.520
exactly what we see being done to
us on other planets when we get there.

1627
02:04:13.359 --> 02:04:19.239
I have no problem with the idea. It's different intelligences, whether it's

1628
02:04:19.319 --> 02:04:28.720
interdimensional nuts and bolts craft or a
combination where where the lab animals for them

1629
02:04:28.880 --> 02:04:34.199
to study. And I don't feel
there's any threat because we would have been

1630
02:04:34.760 --> 02:04:43.000
toast a long time ago if that
was their intention. So I looked at

1631
02:04:43.000 --> 02:04:48.960
as a great opportunity that maybe maybe
someday they will land on that proverbial white

1632
02:04:49.000 --> 02:04:59.760
house lawn and finally feel it's time
to openly communicate. Oh, you know,

1633
02:05:00.079 --> 02:05:02.600
so I kind of agree with that. I think I think that we

1634
02:05:02.720 --> 02:05:09.960
are likely to be their pets,
lab animals, for sure. Anybody who

1635
02:05:10.000 --> 02:05:13.000
knows me knows that I'm a fan
of Valet, and I read a lot

1636
02:05:13.039 --> 02:05:24.239
of his stuff and recently reread something
where he said that the whole phenomena is

1637
02:05:24.239 --> 02:05:28.760
a projection, and he wants to
find the projectionist. Whatever we're seeing,

1638
02:05:28.840 --> 02:05:33.239
whatever we're immersed in witness far as
a phenomena is concerned, UFO's high strangeness,

1639
02:05:33.840 --> 02:05:41.159
it's something that he believes is created
to divert us from who they really

1640
02:05:41.199 --> 02:05:45.720
are and what they're really doing.
So hence the analogy of we're looking at

1641
02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:49.760
the projection, we're experiencing something like
a film, but he wants to get

1642
02:05:49.800 --> 02:05:55.680
to who it is that's behind the
projection that we've seen. It's interesting,

1643
02:05:55.800 --> 02:06:00.600
I think with their pets. Yeah, I just got a tax wander from

1644
02:06:00.720 --> 02:06:04.640
Dan Alioto. He thinks you're dead
on he was on earlier. You know,

1645
02:06:04.800 --> 02:06:09.600
I mentioned this on my very first
show, and I'll just bring it

1646
02:06:09.680 --> 02:06:12.479
up because I don't know if you
ever heard me talk about this, but

1647
02:06:12.560 --> 02:06:15.079
I've talked about it a few times
over the years. And that's before I

1648
02:06:15.279 --> 02:06:21.359
was before I was even really looking
into this topic deeply in any type of

1649
02:06:21.399 --> 02:06:27.640
way. I had an insurance broker
back in the nineteen nineties who came by

1650
02:06:27.760 --> 02:06:30.720
my house to sell a life insurance
policy, and we got to talking about

1651
02:06:30.760 --> 02:06:34.760
all different types of things, and
then eventually he somehow he said he was

1652
02:06:34.800 --> 02:06:38.039
in Vietnam, and I said,
well, what did you do? What

1653
02:06:38.159 --> 02:06:41.279
did you do in Vietnam? Exactly
where you in combat? And he kind

1654
02:06:41.279 --> 02:06:43.720
of like chuckled and he said,
no, actually, I was in a

1655
02:06:43.840 --> 02:06:47.119
Special Task Force in the Air Force, studying. He said, he ready

1656
02:06:47.119 --> 02:06:50.800
for this, studying UFOs. So
I said, oh really, And you

1657
02:06:50.880 --> 02:06:54.199
know, again, at this time, I didn't really have much of an

1658
02:06:54.239 --> 02:06:59.760
interest and he said, yes,
they were showing up during napalming and they

1659
02:06:59.800 --> 02:07:03.279
were uh, and then he went
on, you know, and also they

1660
02:07:03.319 --> 02:07:08.399
have an interest in our nuclear weapons
and things like that. So anyway,

1661
02:07:08.680 --> 02:07:11.800
I don't you know, I had
known this guy for a while, but

1662
02:07:12.279 --> 02:07:15.960
um, interestingly enough, you know, he seemed pretty well versed in the

1663
02:07:16.079 --> 02:07:19.279
whole topic. And I've been trying
to find him and I can't. But

1664
02:07:19.399 --> 02:07:23.720
one of the things I said to
him, well, why why does a

1665
02:07:24.199 --> 02:07:28.159
what does the government think they're about? What does the government think of them?

1666
02:07:28.800 --> 02:07:33.000
Why they're here? And he said, we're basically a petri dish and

1667
02:07:33.920 --> 02:07:39.520
we're being observed, and you know
that's the deal. And um, but

1668
02:07:39.680 --> 02:07:44.399
I mean that is another, you
know, another theory. And again I've

1669
02:07:44.439 --> 02:07:45.399
tried to find this guy. I
would love to be able to talk to

1670
02:07:45.520 --> 02:07:48.000
him today, but um, I
can't. I can't find him. I

1671
02:07:48.039 --> 02:07:51.279
don't know. I knew he had
like a tuna fishing boat or something,

1672
02:07:51.399 --> 02:07:56.119
and I know his name, Um, but I can't. I can't seem

1673
02:07:56.159 --> 02:07:58.319
to locate him. I'd love to
talk to you. I feel like you

1674
02:07:58.439 --> 02:08:03.319
watched Forrest Gump and then confused some
some aspects of reality. Maybe they're like

1675
02:08:03.439 --> 02:08:09.600
they always say about the contact these
and abductees, where they they smoked a

1676
02:08:09.680 --> 02:08:16.520
joint and then imagined every during like
always always. But I think you've seen,

1677
02:08:16.720 --> 02:08:18.159
you've seen for us. He was
on a I guess it was a

1678
02:08:18.199 --> 02:08:24.119
shrimp boat. It was a fishing
boat, But I did. I do

1679
02:08:24.359 --> 02:08:28.479
think this might have been pre Gump, all right, positive well, you

1680
02:08:28.520 --> 02:08:33.439
could have always retrospectively imposed those ideas, which I also here. It's ridiculous,

1681
02:08:33.479 --> 02:08:37.560
though, like, if these people
are having these experiences, it doesn't

1682
02:08:37.640 --> 02:08:41.239
matter how many hits of acid you
take, how many joints you smoke,

1683
02:08:41.560 --> 02:08:43.800
how many times you watch close encouns
of the third kind. That's a real

1684
02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:48.600
experience for you. And we need
to recognize that as a real thing that

1685
02:08:48.680 --> 02:08:52.840
happened to these people and stop demonizing
them and ostracizing them for these things that

1686
02:08:52.960 --> 02:08:58.880
they're brave enough to But I've never
had an experience with Maybe it's easier for

1687
02:08:58.960 --> 02:09:01.399
me to say that, but I
don't know. I think we can learn

1688
02:09:01.439 --> 02:09:07.920
a lot, no, I think, and it's it's really interesting that all

1689
02:09:07.960 --> 02:09:13.760
the people I've met over the years
that have never had a UFO experience and

1690
02:09:13.319 --> 02:09:18.000
still think this is an amazing topic
and still take it seriously. There's Dape.

1691
02:09:18.479 --> 02:09:24.880
Hello, Yeah he's back. Yeah, while you were gone, we

1692
02:09:24.000 --> 02:09:33.359
just solved the whole problem. It's
oberies that are easier to tackle. To

1693
02:09:33.439 --> 02:09:35.680
do with your archives. Now,
I'll give it to you and m they're

1694
02:09:35.720 --> 02:09:41.600
waiting for it. I do like
the idea and some of we talk about

1695
02:09:41.640 --> 02:09:46.840
on my show is Von Newman probe, and this idea that an advanced civilization

1696
02:09:46.960 --> 02:09:50.600
would create a probe like we do, like we send the Mars or any

1697
02:09:50.680 --> 02:09:54.800
other celestial body, and when the
probe gets there, it's able to replicate

1698
02:09:54.880 --> 02:10:00.520
itself and create matter and then move
on to the next solar system and over

1699
02:10:00.920 --> 02:10:05.680
a few thousand light years, you
know, you can explore a really big

1700
02:10:05.840 --> 02:10:09.840
chunk of your own galaxy and possibly
even more by these you know, self

1701
02:10:09.920 --> 02:10:15.479
replicating machines. Um. It doesn't
explain, really, you know, the

1702
02:10:15.600 --> 02:10:20.800
abduction aspect of it very well.
Um, But it's it is something fun

1703
02:10:20.880 --> 02:10:24.399
that I do find fun to think
about. What did you say that was

1704
02:10:24.439 --> 02:10:31.840
Von Newman probe? I had an
article that came out on that not long

1705
02:10:31.920 --> 02:10:37.199
ago. Yeah, I had a
I had a gentleman named Chris Pittman.

1706
02:10:37.279 --> 02:10:41.319
He's consider he's been in a,
you know, The Phenomenon, a few

1707
02:10:41.359 --> 02:10:45.880
other films, but he's been looking
at the UFO topic for many years.

1708
02:10:46.520 --> 02:10:50.880
And I was very surprised to hear
him say that. The question came in

1709
02:10:50.960 --> 02:10:54.760
the chat room with what, well, what do you think they are?

1710
02:10:54.680 --> 02:10:58.680
And uh, he said, well, I think they've always been here and

1711
02:11:00.199 --> 02:11:05.279
if you're they're just part of like
an energy or something and that manifests itself.

1712
02:11:05.439 --> 02:11:09.479
It was quite quite a fascinating,
quite a fascinating idea of that he

1713
02:11:09.600 --> 02:11:13.199
had. And that's that's one of
the things that keeps me going in the

1714
02:11:13.279 --> 02:11:18.319
show is talking to people and listening
to all the ideas of what the possibilities

1715
02:11:18.359 --> 02:11:22.760
are. It's fascinating to me,
Martin, if I if I can pitch

1716
02:11:22.840 --> 02:11:26.560
in on this, yeah, believe
me, the last few months has caused

1717
02:11:26.560 --> 02:11:35.159
me to rethink a lot of not
just the phenomenon, but the people and

1718
02:11:35.319 --> 02:11:39.199
how much what I've noticed here and
just those of us speaking trying to come

1719
02:11:39.279 --> 02:11:46.159
up with possible theories is nobody really
knows each of those. I tend to

1720
02:11:46.279 --> 02:11:48.560
go and I kind of appreciate it. At least Linda's perspective, which is

1721
02:11:48.920 --> 02:11:56.039
Okam's razor, shows that what we're
doing, another intelligent species very likely might

1722
02:11:56.119 --> 02:12:01.279
do the same. So and some
of the cases that I've looked into to

1723
02:12:01.479 --> 02:12:07.720
suggest obviously physical objects land and move
the soil and do whatever. But if

1724
02:12:07.800 --> 02:12:11.079
they're time travelers, I mean,
at some point, if you reach a

1725
02:12:11.159 --> 02:12:15.840
technological state, and the universe has
been around as long as it has,

1726
02:12:16.920 --> 02:12:20.800
it would be naive to not assume
that we may be getting a mixture of

1727
02:12:20.960 --> 02:12:26.399
things, some that are travelers like
us, that are more advanced than even

1728
02:12:26.520 --> 02:12:31.720
them, Some that may reach a
level that we would almost have to call

1729
02:12:31.399 --> 02:12:37.000
spiritual or magic because we can't conceive. But then the only ones that we

1730
02:12:37.079 --> 02:12:41.159
can interact with are the ones that
at some point enter our level of what

1731
02:12:41.319 --> 02:12:46.840
we call reality, where our instruments
in our equipment can actually test for them.

1732
02:12:46.680 --> 02:12:50.800
And I don't deny anything, but
what I also have come to realize

1733
02:12:50.960 --> 02:12:56.039
is people tend to invest a lot
in what they say they know, when

1734
02:12:56.159 --> 02:13:00.960
really there are things that we think
and things that we believe. And I'm

1735
02:13:00.960 --> 02:13:05.199
a big you know, sometimes leave
belief alone if it helps people and they

1736
02:13:05.279 --> 02:13:11.560
need it leave it alone from a
psycho psychology perspective, but there are beliefs

1737
02:13:11.640 --> 02:13:15.159
that end up which we've seen over
the past year or two, that can

1738
02:13:15.279 --> 02:13:18.640
end up going awry and leading people
into areas. And unfortunately, there are

1739
02:13:18.680 --> 02:13:24.079
people who will want to mislead you
because of their whether it's you call occultists

1740
02:13:24.359 --> 02:13:28.239
or con man. That's a dangerous
thing if you're not willing to look yourself

1741
02:13:28.279 --> 02:13:33.000
in the mirror and way your own
beliefs and against what you think, and

1742
02:13:33.079 --> 02:13:37.039
you're entitled to and to claim what
you know. I mean, I've decided

1743
02:13:37.079 --> 02:13:43.279
there's only one or two things that
I confidently can say I know. Beyond

1744
02:13:43.399 --> 02:13:48.920
that, everybody's level of proof is
what you mentioned Kurt his podcast, and

1745
02:13:50.000 --> 02:13:52.479
he made a point he said,
in science, there's no proof. There's

1746
02:13:52.520 --> 02:13:56.119
just evidence what people say they know
and what they believe they can prove and

1747
02:13:56.239 --> 02:14:01.119
what they accept. That's the difficult
thing because in a way, we all

1748
02:14:01.159 --> 02:14:05.479
have to kind of come to terms
with each other and acknowledge that there's limits

1749
02:14:05.520 --> 02:14:09.560
of what we actually do know,
and then we each have some preferred beliefs,

1750
02:14:09.720 --> 02:14:16.199
things that we hope. But unfortunately
I've found that too often there are

1751
02:14:16.279 --> 02:14:20.039
people who have beliefs or their own
personal feelings or animosities or whatever it is,

1752
02:14:20.760 --> 02:14:26.039
and they tend to want to shut
down someone else's approach just some other

1753
02:14:26.199 --> 02:14:28.840
perspective on it. And it's,
you know, the old saying, we

1754
02:14:28.920 --> 02:14:33.319
have seen the enemy and it is
us, but to a great extent our

1755
02:14:33.359 --> 02:14:37.920
own ignorance and wanting to feel that
we've got a grip on something. And

1756
02:14:39.840 --> 02:14:45.399
you know, we shouldn't shut down
any conversation or any alternative ideas because other

1757
02:14:45.479 --> 02:14:46.479
than that, like a friend of
mine said, you know, you have

1758
02:14:46.600 --> 02:14:52.560
five theoreticians and one research person,
and the researchment says, unless I can

1759
02:14:52.640 --> 02:14:56.640
take it into the lab and test
it, it's all talk. And in

1760
02:14:56.760 --> 02:15:00.520
a funny way, that's true.
It's easy to get the theories. It's

1761
02:15:00.560 --> 02:15:03.560
harder to get in there and prove
what it is. But we shouldn't discount

1762
02:15:03.560 --> 02:15:07.560
other people's ideas, although in the
case of a Jolly, it's tough for

1763
02:15:07.640 --> 02:15:11.000
her to prove things when she gets
cut out of the ranch where she can't

1764
02:15:11.039 --> 02:15:16.439
go. I don't know. I
mean, I've read I am to have

1765
02:15:16.520 --> 02:15:18.760
convictions about Paul Benewitz. And the
reason I bring that up is because I've

1766
02:15:18.840 --> 02:15:24.159
noticed in that ten years of the
nineteen eighties, how little people realize because

1767
02:15:24.159 --> 02:15:28.960
the minute you start talking to him, his ideas seem absurd and a lot

1768
02:15:30.119 --> 02:15:33.479
gets planted on him that he didn't
start. And if it weren't for the

1769
02:15:33.560 --> 02:15:37.720
fact that I happened to ask him
what got him started and he showed me

1770
02:15:37.880 --> 02:15:41.960
those images from the film that changed
everything. A lot of the stuff that

1771
02:15:43.079 --> 02:15:46.840
said and has come out on the
time. So just because someone has ideas

1772
02:15:46.920 --> 02:15:50.880
that are bizarre, go back and
find out what started and think an't way,

1773
02:15:50.960 --> 02:15:54.720
and let's at least keep the conversation
open and to not shut down listening

1774
02:15:54.800 --> 02:16:01.119
to other people's opinions. But also
we know things major things we think or

1775
02:16:01.199 --> 02:16:07.119
that we believe. So okay,
that's enough. Chris, just real quickly

1776
02:16:07.199 --> 02:16:11.399
on the Paul Benowits thing. Um, what do you think about Richard Doughty

1777
02:16:11.560 --> 02:16:16.199
just showing up on all these like
they're giving him so much credit as being

1778
02:16:16.359 --> 02:16:20.560
someone important when he was the one
that really was boys. No, uh,

1779
02:16:20.960 --> 02:16:28.159
let me put let me put this
on mute. Yeah. Um,

1780
02:16:28.640 --> 02:16:35.360
there's point, there's a point at
which I'd say, no one can excuse

1781
02:16:35.440 --> 02:16:39.239
themselves by just saying it was my
job. Yeah, in a way.

1782
02:16:39.319 --> 02:16:41.840
I look back and think that's what
a lot of the Nazis tried to use.

1783
02:16:43.000 --> 02:16:48.479
Yeah, I mean, not to
equate to Unfortunately, Paul, and

1784
02:16:48.879 --> 02:16:52.040
there are some videos if you watch
a doting where he's Paul was a patriot,

1785
02:16:52.079 --> 02:16:56.719
he hung his flag out. But
also does that people that are easy

1786
02:16:56.760 --> 02:17:01.040
to fool And I'm like, wait, Paul called the Air Force only because

1787
02:17:01.079 --> 02:17:03.639
he was trying to tell them something
he thought they might not be aware of.

1788
02:17:05.000 --> 02:17:07.879
Yeh. He happened to be on
the roof of his house with his

1789
02:17:07.959 --> 02:17:15.760
camera equipment, a lot of it. Unfortunately, I don't excuse anybody coming

1790
02:17:15.840 --> 02:17:18.239
along after the fact. And to
this day I've seen pictures of him at

1791
02:17:18.280 --> 02:17:22.319
conventions with people wrapping the arms drum
like he thinks he's some celebrity. I

1792
02:17:22.399 --> 02:17:26.360
mean, I get it. I
know you can't tell anybody everything in there

1793
02:17:26.399 --> 02:17:33.000
are natural secrets, you know,
I understand that. But after a while,

1794
02:17:33.879 --> 02:17:37.879
after a citizen and that's all of
us here, would he justify doing

1795
02:17:37.959 --> 02:17:43.399
that if someone did that to his
son or his parents, to allow someone

1796
02:17:43.520 --> 02:17:46.799
to basically push them over the deep
end just by disinforming themselves. And I

1797
02:17:46.920 --> 02:17:50.639
see that and other I won't go
into it today. But I have a

1798
02:17:50.680 --> 02:17:52.920
couple of examples. We could talk
about it right now, things that I

1799
02:17:52.959 --> 02:17:54.799
feel like, you know, the
whole I'll just put it this way,

1800
02:17:54.959 --> 02:17:58.319
the whole idea of a tip and
off stap. Twenty two million was for

1801
02:17:58.360 --> 02:18:03.000
a Pentagon program, but Noah wasn't. It was for ADI contract. But

1802
02:18:03.120 --> 02:18:09.959
in twenty seventeen, all these main
characters knew that it was not twenty two

1803
02:18:09.639 --> 02:18:13.959
Pinnagon program. It was twenty two
million for the di I contract. So

1804
02:18:15.200 --> 02:18:20.639
what was a tip they all knew. They had to have known Harry Read

1805
02:18:20.680 --> 02:18:24.079
to know after the others Lou had. Did nobody bother to say anything about

1806
02:18:24.079 --> 02:18:26.360
it? Then? I mean,
I'm a big believer or so okay to

1807
02:18:26.440 --> 02:18:30.360
make mistakes, but correct it,
come back, own up to it.

1808
02:18:30.920 --> 02:18:33.879
At least that way, nobody else
was going down the wrong path. So

1809
02:18:33.040 --> 02:18:41.239
there's something about all of this that's
somebody's not There's an effort all the way

1810
02:18:41.280 --> 02:18:46.600
from Paul Benwitz to this day there
are people who apparently behind the scenes don't

1811
02:18:46.680 --> 02:18:48.719
want to be outed or don't want
to come out. Maybe there's a consequences.

1812
02:18:48.799 --> 02:18:54.200
I don't know, but I just
at some point you ask yourself,

1813
02:18:54.280 --> 02:18:56.440
what happened to Paul other people like
that? Yeah, would it be okay

1814
02:18:56.520 --> 02:19:00.879
with you if they did that to
your son or your father who thought he

1815
02:19:00.959 --> 02:19:03.920
was doing the right thing. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not not

1816
02:19:05.040 --> 02:19:07.760
to say I'm a boy scallot.
I'm just saying there's a point at which

1817
02:19:07.799 --> 02:19:09.879
you we need to look at each
other. And this is what we're all

1818
02:19:09.920 --> 02:19:13.239
in this for, is what we
can learn, what what whatever the truth

1819
02:19:13.959 --> 02:19:20.040
might be, and for in a
case like this, this isn't just who

1820
02:19:20.159 --> 02:19:24.239
killed Jeff k a human situation,
This is something far larger. Yeah,

1821
02:19:24.559 --> 02:19:28.719
And I think any of us,
honestly, what we should change. We

1822
02:19:28.879 --> 02:19:33.520
need you, We need some unified
for among those of us who want to

1823
02:19:33.600 --> 02:19:37.360
Because you call your congressman, and
I've tried it. If you don't represent

1824
02:19:37.440 --> 02:19:41.079
to you, you know who do
you represent? You know they don't,

1825
02:19:41.079 --> 02:19:45.680
they don't want to talk to you. But it's raising raising the demand.

1826
02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:50.120
I think that. Yeah, but
it's just tough call. I'm just not

1827
02:19:50.159 --> 02:19:56.440
getting any older guys, So young
guys need to get on. Um.

1828
02:19:56.760 --> 02:20:00.399
And speaking of that, um,
do you think there's there's any one want

1829
02:20:00.399 --> 02:20:03.840
to tackle this wrong? I think
there's any young people coming, you know,

1830
02:20:05.000 --> 02:20:07.959
younger people interested in this. I
mean, you do, David,

1831
02:20:09.079 --> 02:20:13.479
what do you have to say about
that thing? Oh? Me? Oh,

1832
02:20:13.559 --> 02:20:16.079
I'm sorry, Michael, Michael,
you said you're shaking your head.

1833
02:20:16.159 --> 02:20:20.520
Michael, I was, yeah.
I mean, go on UFO Twitter,

1834
02:20:20.760 --> 02:20:26.280
interact with anybody on UFO Twitter.
There's there's new researchers, there's new podcasters,

1835
02:20:26.479 --> 02:20:31.120
there's there's people all the time coming
up that are are younger, going

1836
02:20:31.200 --> 02:20:37.840
to conferences. I just gave a
talk at the mcmon mcminimon's UFO conference a

1837
02:20:37.920 --> 02:20:41.879
couple weeks ago. I was blown
away by how many young people were there.

1838
02:20:43.399 --> 02:20:46.639
There was a twelve year old kid
got up and asked me a question

1839
02:20:46.719 --> 02:20:50.159
at a microphone, like I mean, obviously that's an extreme example, but

1840
02:20:50.440 --> 02:20:54.319
for on the whole, I think
in general there's definitely more and more people

1841
02:20:56.399 --> 02:21:03.680
there should be. And one thing
I've noticed too, I completely agree with

1842
02:21:03.760 --> 02:21:07.520
everything Chris said that we need to
keep an open mind to every possibility.

1843
02:21:07.600 --> 02:21:11.760
Nobody has the answers, and all
we can do is take an evidence based

1844
02:21:11.799 --> 02:21:16.319
approach. Clearly, evidence is hard
to come by, but the more we

1845
02:21:16.440 --> 02:21:22.479
move forward and the more we have
conversation that are inclusive and less divisive.

1846
02:21:22.959 --> 02:21:26.479
We're going to bring more people and
and some of those people are going the

1847
02:21:26.520 --> 02:21:31.760
younger people that continue this conversation.
But what I found too is that a

1848
02:21:31.840 --> 02:21:35.719
lot of people, if they're really
really interested in they've had some experience that

1849
02:21:35.200 --> 02:21:39.399
brought them into this. They have
a reason to be here. I just

1850
02:21:39.680 --> 02:21:45.280
had a conversation with somebody at a
party over the weekend that was talking about

1851
02:21:45.360 --> 02:21:48.799
my book and all of these things
that happened to her, and eventually it

1852
02:21:48.920 --> 02:21:54.200
came out that her sister had a
very close encounter in their whole family,

1853
02:21:54.399 --> 02:21:58.079
and oftentimes it's lineages that have these
encounters, so there was a reason for

1854
02:21:58.159 --> 02:22:03.319
them coming. And the more we
talk about it in legitimate, non divisive

1855
02:22:03.479 --> 02:22:07.319
terms, try to take the best
we can in evidence based approach, I

1856
02:22:07.440 --> 02:22:11.879
think the more we'll bring people into
the conversation that have had those experiences and

1857
02:22:13.040 --> 02:22:15.799
those that have always said on the
outside because they think we're all crazy,

1858
02:22:15.879 --> 02:22:18.840
people were in tinfoil hats. I
don't know. I think that's all we

1859
02:22:18.879 --> 02:22:22.799
can do. It's going to be
a slow process, but I think ninety

1860
02:22:22.879 --> 02:22:26.959
nine percent of people you've had on
this show, I'd say one hundred percent.

1861
02:22:26.000 --> 02:22:28.319
I haven't seen everybody, so I'm
trying to give myself an out in

1862
02:22:28.399 --> 02:22:33.040
case there's a whack job that I
didn't account for. But then, also,

1863
02:22:33.319 --> 02:22:37.040
like Lispagel said earlier, you do
a good job of this. You

1864
02:22:37.159 --> 02:22:41.399
bring people on that have something to
say. You have an audience that asks

1865
02:22:41.479 --> 02:22:45.040
awesome questions. When I was on
your show, I got asked the best,

1866
02:22:45.200 --> 02:22:50.040
most informed questions, and that indicates
to me that the whole conversation is

1867
02:22:50.239 --> 02:22:54.280
evolving and we're all trying to get
to a place where, even if we

1868
02:22:54.360 --> 02:22:56.559
don't have the answers, we can
at least acknowledge that we don't have the

1869
02:22:56.639 --> 02:23:01.200
answers, but we can continue to
ask questions that might eventually get us there.

1870
02:23:01.360 --> 02:23:05.639
Thank you, Thank you, Michael
h hang on just one second.

1871
02:23:05.719 --> 02:23:11.079
I mean you'll let you talk next. But Michael, the the the thought

1872
02:23:11.079 --> 02:23:15.159
occurred. I think I threw you
this in a I think you might have

1873
02:23:15.200 --> 02:23:18.680
thought I was joking, but I'm
not sure. But I think I threw

1874
02:23:18.760 --> 02:23:24.719
you a text or something and said, what if the time travelers that you

1875
02:23:24.799 --> 02:23:28.159
know in your your theory, the
time travels that look like rays or whatever,

1876
02:23:28.600 --> 02:23:33.680
what if they are saying humans get
wiped out, We wiped ourselves out

1877
02:23:33.799 --> 02:23:39.879
through whatever in the future, and
then a new species eventually evolved, like

1878
02:23:39.440 --> 02:23:43.639
a million and a half years from
now, which sounds like a lot of

1879
02:23:43.719 --> 02:23:46.840
time but really isn't when you think
about the you know, the the age

1880
02:23:46.840 --> 02:23:52.360
of the plant in the solar system. Yeah, what if a new species

1881
02:23:52.399 --> 02:23:56.239
evolved, like you know, we
evolved the mammals because of the you know,

1882
02:23:56.360 --> 02:24:00.319
the dinosaurs, you know, getting
a sinc Who knows what they would

1883
02:24:00.319 --> 02:24:03.079
have done if they kept going,
if they could have gotten smarter and all.

1884
02:24:03.120 --> 02:24:05.399
That not my idea at all,
someone else's idea that I spoke with.

1885
02:24:05.520 --> 02:24:11.159
But still, do you think it's
a possibility the time I do are

1886
02:24:11.159 --> 02:24:16.280
a whole different species? Well,
I think most of the ones, especially

1887
02:24:16.319 --> 02:24:18.520
the ones that are entirely human.
And in my new book, I'm highlighting

1888
02:24:18.559 --> 02:24:22.200
a number of cases where they are
clearly humans. They speak vocally, some

1889
02:24:22.399 --> 02:24:26.159
speak telepathically, they look like us, and then there's the whole gamut.

1890
02:24:26.399 --> 02:24:30.879
Some have slightly more evolved traits,
and then you talk about the grays,

1891
02:24:31.159 --> 02:24:33.399
where we're looking at maybe twelve,
fifteen, twenty thousand years in the future.

1892
02:24:33.799 --> 02:24:37.760
But me and Whitley Strieber went down
this rabbit hole. One day,

1893
02:24:37.760 --> 02:24:43.440
he invited me on his podcast and
we started talking about whether the mantids the

1894
02:24:43.520 --> 02:24:48.639
reptilians could be us from a post
human I shouldn't say us, a post

1895
02:24:48.719 --> 02:24:56.639
human world where they eventually evolve this
advanced state of technological development, come all

1896
02:24:56.680 --> 02:24:58.440
the way back from tens of millions
of years in the future, if they

1897
02:24:58.479 --> 02:25:03.719
have that t oology, And clearly
insects and reptiles have stain power on this

1898
02:25:03.840 --> 02:25:07.879
planet. They've been here way longer
than mammals have. So we're kind of

1899
02:25:07.959 --> 02:25:13.399
joking around. But the idea made
sense too. And in the same way

1900
02:25:13.440 --> 02:25:16.600
that we got dinosaurs. I don't
know why I touch we to everything.

1901
02:25:16.680 --> 02:25:20.000
I'm not a dinosaur, I'm not
a reptile. But the same way the

1902
02:25:20.719 --> 02:25:24.680
dinosaurs got wiped out and then mammals
could evolve because of all of these empty

1903
02:25:24.799 --> 02:25:31.680
niches and the adaptive radiation that happened
after that, maybe there's another adaptive radiation

1904
02:25:31.040 --> 02:25:35.760
after humans. I think. I
think the humanoid ones are certainly US,

1905
02:25:37.000 --> 02:25:39.360
or of a future version of us, but after that, who knows.

1906
02:25:39.479 --> 02:25:43.479
I mean, it could be any
species that survives past us, and there's

1907
02:25:43.520 --> 02:25:48.559
likely to be some Yeah, interesting, Irene, you had your hand up

1908
02:25:48.559 --> 02:25:52.639
you wanted to Yeah, just a
couple of quick things, just quickly going

1909
02:25:52.760 --> 02:26:01.000
back to the younger people. Giant
from Project Unity is a quickly rising star.

1910
02:26:01.360 --> 02:26:07.680
To an example, for the interview
with Ross, you got seventeen thousand

1911
02:26:07.799 --> 02:26:11.879
k views, which is fantastic.
I think he got fifty four thousand.

1912
02:26:13.479 --> 02:26:18.479
He's only twenty five, twenty six. He's got quite a following amongst the

1913
02:26:18.559 --> 02:26:20.559
younger set. So yes, in
the answer to that, I think there

1914
02:26:20.680 --> 02:26:26.559
is a rising and exploding amount of
information, good information that's come in the

1915
02:26:26.959 --> 02:26:33.760
last couple of years, and an
exploding amount of podcasters and people furthering and

1916
02:26:33.040 --> 02:26:37.840
being information or grabbing the hold of
information and pushing it along. Also,

1917
02:26:39.000 --> 02:26:45.360
just wanted to ask you quickly,
Michael. Back to Michael, the Eric

1918
02:26:45.520 --> 02:26:50.360
Davis stated that with time travel that
you can only go back to the point

1919
02:26:50.399 --> 02:26:56.680
where the time travel has been invented. So if they're coming to us now

1920
02:26:56.520 --> 02:27:01.440
or if they've come to us in
the past, I mean, there's a

1921
02:27:01.559 --> 02:27:07.000
lot of evidence that these entitas have
been with us for a long time.

1922
02:27:07.760 --> 02:27:15.000
But how do you reconcile the physicists
belief that Tom Travling canani start from the

1923
02:27:15.120 --> 02:27:20.280
point where it's inventied. So if
it was invented in twenty and twenty one,

1924
02:27:20.319 --> 02:27:22.479
the only able to come back to
two them in twenty one and not

1925
02:27:24.280 --> 02:27:28.879
earlier. Yeah, I addressed that
in my first book. It's it's an

1926
02:27:28.920 --> 02:27:31.319
idea that's been around for a while. Uh. One of the first books

1927
02:27:31.319 --> 02:27:35.159
about time travel I read by Paul
Davies, who's a really well known and

1928
02:27:35.319 --> 02:27:41.760
well respected physicist, talks about that
same limitation um. However, if you're

1929
02:27:41.799 --> 02:27:48.239
talking about going back in time in
the context of global time, so you're

1930
02:27:48.280 --> 02:27:52.920
moving into the global path where all
of these things around you are happening.

1931
02:27:52.959 --> 02:27:58.879
They're still moving into the future.
But you construct a capsule and any sort

1932
02:27:58.920 --> 02:28:05.399
of device that thing when you're manipulating
space time within that time frame, within

1933
02:28:05.479 --> 02:28:09.120
that reference frame. As they say, I see no reason why once you

1934
02:28:09.200 --> 02:28:13.200
get to the point where the first
time machine was constructed, all of a

1935
02:28:13.239 --> 02:28:18.200
sudden just breaks apart into pieces.
It goes back to all of its composite

1936
02:28:18.239 --> 02:28:22.120
pieces that went into building it.
You're separate from global spacetime at that point.

1937
02:28:22.360 --> 02:28:28.840
There's no reason why in that specific
reference frame you would be subjected to

1938
02:28:28.959 --> 02:28:33.120
all of those other aspects of global
spacetime. It's just it's one of these

1939
02:28:33.200 --> 02:28:39.200
things, like the many world's interpretation
of quantum mechanics higher dimensions. It's one

1940
02:28:39.239 --> 02:28:43.840
of these things that is said very
often. Up until about two years ago,

1941
02:28:45.680 --> 02:28:50.399
most physicists were with the idea that
backward time travel wasn't even possible.

1942
02:28:50.840 --> 02:28:54.159
I strongly believe that that aspect of
backward time travel is eventually going to be

1943
02:28:54.239 --> 02:28:58.520
proven wrong because logically it doesn't make
sense. I'm not a physicist. I

1944
02:28:58.600 --> 02:29:05.520
can't out all of the equations for
why that might be, but just basic

1945
02:29:05.639 --> 02:29:09.399
logic indicates that if you're separating localized
space time from global space time, there's

1946
02:29:09.440 --> 02:29:13.959
no reason why why that should happen. Well, that that kind of brings

1947
02:29:15.000 --> 02:29:20.319
me to another topic that I hear
a lot of people commenting about the possibility

1948
02:29:20.360 --> 02:29:26.840
of travel from you know, far
distances to hear by doing something with space

1949
02:29:26.959 --> 02:29:31.959
time, you know, like warping
space time. And I don't know how

1950
02:29:31.040 --> 02:29:37.680
that actually plays into all of this, but it certainly would be one of

1951
02:29:37.760 --> 02:29:43.760
the answers to if whoever they are
is traveling vast distances, that would be

1952
02:29:43.840 --> 02:29:48.079
a way they would somehow get here. I mean that's another really fascinating topic.

1953
02:29:48.479 --> 02:29:52.280
Well, can I just say just
to give you something a little a

1954
02:29:52.360 --> 02:29:58.000
little bit of hope for the future. So because I mean I'm new,

1955
02:29:58.120 --> 02:30:01.760
I'm new to this whole field.
I'm brand new to this. But you

1956
02:30:01.840 --> 02:30:07.239
see him young too, just as
people morning one. Hey that's young,

1957
02:30:07.479 --> 02:30:13.920
I mean conference, that's very young. You're out, stay corrected. Um.

1958
02:30:13.079 --> 02:30:18.319
But in in in April twenty fourth
I did an event called the Big

1959
02:30:18.360 --> 02:30:20.520
Phone Home, which was a gathering
of folks like this, a very like

1960
02:30:20.600 --> 02:30:26.479
an open style panel where we whoever
is watching, whoever is joining the panel,

1961
02:30:26.799 --> 02:30:30.719
is trying to convince their their fans, their followings to make a phone

1962
02:30:30.760 --> 02:30:35.280
call, call your congressman, call
your local state representative, and ask them

1963
02:30:35.120 --> 02:30:39.639
the hard questions. Because you're a
taxpayer and you deserve it. You you

1964
02:30:39.079 --> 02:30:43.760
you, you pay the taxes for
all the fancy toys. We deserve some

1965
02:30:43.879 --> 02:30:46.680
answers on this topic. So the
first time I did this, obviously I

1966
02:30:46.799 --> 02:30:50.920
was an incredibly small channel. Martin, you were so gracious to help me

1967
02:30:50.959 --> 02:30:54.639
out and help build word and and
so during the fifth the first Big Phone

1968
02:30:54.680 --> 02:31:00.319
Home, we had five hundred mentions, seven point two thousand interactions, we

1969
02:31:00.479 --> 02:31:03.760
reached one point three million people and
had six and a half thousand shares.

1970
02:31:05.639 --> 02:31:11.719
When I did the Second Big Phone
Home in what was it now, September,

1971
02:31:11.920 --> 02:31:13.879
I think, I don't know,
these months are melting together. But

1972
02:31:15.040 --> 02:31:20.159
during the Second Big Phone Home,
we had three hundred and one thousand interactions,

1973
02:31:22.040 --> 02:31:26.840
We reached forty nine million people,
and we had eighty five thousand shares

1974
02:31:28.399 --> 02:31:33.120
in two hundred and fifteen thousand likes, And we had a website that laid

1975
02:31:33.200 --> 02:31:37.040
out how people could contact their local
state representatives. But not only that,

1976
02:31:37.559 --> 02:31:43.760
we had people like John Greenwald right
contact letters for us. So the letter

1977
02:31:43.879 --> 02:31:46.040
you send, you could print it
out, you can mail it, you

1978
02:31:46.079 --> 02:31:50.440
can email it, and we've got
responses. And the passion for this grows

1979
02:31:50.559 --> 02:31:54.799
every time I do it, and
it is it's young, it's old.

1980
02:31:56.600 --> 02:31:58.879
Some people think we're crazy. You're
never going to get answers from the government.

1981
02:32:00.079 --> 02:32:03.159
I say to them, well,
we've never tried, We've never organized

1982
02:32:03.479 --> 02:32:07.479
and tried to do it on the
same day. And I mean for me,

1983
02:32:07.760 --> 02:32:09.799
as one of these younger folks who's
just sort of, you know,

1984
02:32:11.120 --> 02:32:13.559
stumbled into this, not really,
I mean I had an experience and then

1985
02:32:13.600 --> 02:32:18.639
met Lou Alesando and then Martin Willis
is the one who inspired me to start

1986
02:32:18.680 --> 02:32:22.280
the show. Alejandro Rojas, those
were my first inspirations to sort of do

1987
02:32:22.520 --> 02:32:26.879
this, and it's working. Like
if you just see what's happened in the

1988
02:32:28.000 --> 02:32:33.760
last two weeks from a political perspective, and I'm for me, the best

1989
02:32:33.840 --> 02:32:37.600
piece of evidence is something that I
could put on the desk of a congressman

1990
02:32:37.680 --> 02:32:41.440
or senator and say you need to
look at this, and then it convinces

1991
02:32:41.520 --> 02:32:46.319
them to start thinking differently about this
topic. Right here, I'm holding in

1992
02:32:46.440 --> 02:32:50.959
my hand and what has been dubbed
as the Jilla Brand Amendment, and this

1993
02:32:50.239 --> 02:32:54.680
is to me, the most important
piece of legislation that has ever been written

1994
02:32:54.719 --> 02:33:01.079
on the UAP topic. And we're
winning. This is happening. And I

1995
02:33:01.159 --> 02:33:05.479
mean just the first thing that they
mentioned in here, civilian personnel employed,

1996
02:33:05.559 --> 02:33:11.319
buy or under contract to the Department
or an element of the intelligence community shall

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02:33:11.399 --> 02:33:16.159
have access to procedures by which they
shall report incidents of information, including adverse

1998
02:33:16.600 --> 02:33:22.040
physiological effects. That's the first thing
they ask for, is to know more

1999
02:33:22.079 --> 02:33:28.079
about physiological effects. This is it's
a bipartisan bill that's about to get very

2000
02:33:28.159 --> 02:33:31.440
little resistance and be signed into law
within the next two weeks. If this

2001
02:33:31.600 --> 02:33:35.879
doesn't excite you as a researcher,
as a fan of this topic, as

2002
02:33:37.159 --> 02:33:41.239
as someone who's been dragged through the
mud, and I get to stand on

2003
02:33:41.319 --> 02:33:48.479
their shoulders of all of you and
start doing a different kind of work because

2004
02:33:48.520 --> 02:33:50.200
we all hear, oh, call
your congressman, call your senator, but

2005
02:33:50.319 --> 02:33:54.559
no one's ever shown us how to
do it in the verbiage that we need

2006
02:33:54.639 --> 02:33:56.719
to put on the table to get
the attention of a congressman and senator.

2007
02:33:58.000 --> 02:34:01.079
First, big full of home,
we had no congressman senators talk to us.

2008
02:34:01.360 --> 02:34:05.360
Second, big phone home, we
got Congressman Tim Burchett to come and

2009
02:34:05.479 --> 02:34:09.879
talk to us. We reached out
to Marco Rubio and Ruben Diego and all

2010
02:34:09.920 --> 02:34:15.719
of the intelligence communities that have to
do directly with this UAP topic. So

2011
02:34:15.920 --> 02:34:18.639
for me, that's what fuels my
fire, and that's what I think the

2012
02:34:18.799 --> 02:34:26.239
younger generation is really because look,
a lot of these senators and congressmen,

2013
02:34:26.319 --> 02:34:28.520
they weren't around in the fifties and
sixties and seventies. They don't know the

2014
02:34:28.680 --> 02:34:33.520
history on this. But we need
as citizens, especially in the United States,

2015
02:34:33.600 --> 02:34:39.159
and I recommend all countries do this. We have to look in the

2016
02:34:39.280 --> 02:34:43.680
mirror and say, Okay, what
can I do to try and get answers?

2017
02:34:43.799 --> 02:34:48.479
And I think the best thing you
can do is contact your local state

2018
02:34:48.520 --> 02:34:52.200
rep. You'll be shocked. Most
of them have no idea about this bill.

2019
02:34:52.920 --> 02:34:56.040
Most of them have no idea about
about that. There's a there there.

2020
02:34:56.239 --> 02:34:58.959
I'm not gonna tell anybody what it
is because I don't have any answer.

2021
02:35:00.120 --> 02:35:03.000
It's just like I don't think anybody
on this panel does. Going back

2022
02:35:03.040 --> 02:35:05.799
to what Christian said, but there
is a there there and they need to

2023
02:35:05.840 --> 02:35:09.399
start paying attention to it. And
as taxpayers, we have the right to

2024
02:35:09.719 --> 02:35:13.559
not all the answers, but at
least some of them. And so just

2025
02:35:13.719 --> 02:35:18.239
to just to say from a younger
person's perspective, and I definitely don't feel

2026
02:35:18.280 --> 02:35:22.280
younger. Um. I think I
think we're heading in the right direction.

2027
02:35:22.440 --> 02:35:28.639
And I think this conversation is about
to change in a very substantive way that

2028
02:35:28.799 --> 02:35:31.239
at least excites me. I don't
know how you guys feel about it,

2029
02:35:31.239 --> 02:35:33.319
but that's all I want to say. Well, well, thank you for

2030
02:35:33.479 --> 02:35:39.159
that. I'm just popping this up
right now. Uh irene It says,

2031
02:35:39.280 --> 02:35:43.120
uh just because I know you know
Ross or it says Ross Coldhart just announced

2032
02:35:43.159 --> 02:35:48.200
on Twitter he's got something major news
revelation coming out on Thursday. Have you

2033
02:35:48.319 --> 02:35:54.000
heard about this or do you have
any idea what it is? Irene Um

2034
02:35:54.040 --> 02:36:00.920
silf Um. Yes, he has
something on Spotlight again, so I think

2035
02:36:01.479 --> 02:36:03.360
we don't really know what he's releasing, but we've heard that he will be

2036
02:36:05.719 --> 02:36:09.559
putting something out on Channel seven Spotlights, so we'll all get to see it

2037
02:36:09.639 --> 02:36:13.399
down here. Don't he any clues
of what it is, but he's been

2038
02:36:13.479 --> 02:36:16.879
digging. I know that he's been
digging, and a lot of people since

2039
02:36:18.000 --> 02:36:24.559
his documentary down here have approached him
and us as researches as well. People

2040
02:36:24.600 --> 02:36:28.159
were coming out of the woodwork with
quite fascinating You know, people have been

2041
02:36:28.559 --> 02:36:33.280
especially frightened in Australia because there's a
lot of a lot less openness than it

2042
02:36:33.559 --> 02:36:37.959
is obviously in the United States to
talk about this. For instance, we

2043
02:36:39.120 --> 02:36:45.680
had a senator on the twenty seventh
of October, a senator from Tasmania query

2044
02:36:45.959 --> 02:36:52.440
the Federal Parliament and was his questions
were directed to the Air Force Marshal,

2045
02:36:52.479 --> 02:36:58.959
Australian Air Force Marshal about whether we
have had a similar thing happening in Australia

2046
02:37:00.239 --> 02:37:05.639
that the up the UFP task was
has revealed in the United States, and

2047
02:37:05.719 --> 02:37:11.399
what's happening with the gillibrand or whatever
with Australia. But something emotion similarly and

2048
02:37:11.639 --> 02:37:16.239
this was kind of like treated though
he was a bit of a lunatic,

2049
02:37:16.399 --> 02:37:18.760
and they didn't, they weren't.
They were very polite. He was directed

2050
02:37:18.840 --> 02:37:26.319
to Maurice Paine, our Minister I
think of Foreign Affairs. Um she She

2051
02:37:26.520 --> 02:37:30.920
and the Air Force Marshal which is
sort of fobbed it off and said that

2052
02:37:31.000 --> 02:37:33.959
they didn't know of anything. And
then on the very day ross Coult paid

2053
02:37:35.000 --> 02:37:43.440
one um onto um sorry, I
can hear dogs barking. Ross Coult had

2054
02:37:45.040 --> 02:37:50.959
came onto ABC Radio, which is
our government funded national very popular UM media

2055
02:37:52.799 --> 02:37:58.200
outlet, and debunked what they had
to say and he stated that he has

2056
02:37:58.239 --> 02:38:03.399
it of evidence that Australia has been
tracking deep space objects. We've got,

2057
02:38:03.799 --> 02:38:09.280
you know, basically what he's been
saying his interviews. He reiterated in interestingly

2058
02:38:09.399 --> 02:38:15.319
that radio interview has been taken down. I would try to find it so

2059
02:38:15.479 --> 02:38:16.719
that I could give you guys a
link to it, but it's just not

2060
02:38:16.879 --> 02:38:20.319
there. It was only on there
for a short time, but it was

2061
02:38:20.399 --> 02:38:26.559
an interesting, really strident debunking by
Ross of what was said in parliament.

2062
02:38:28.200 --> 02:38:31.879
Um. Yeah, so I think
there could be something in connection with that.

2063
02:38:33.120 --> 02:38:35.719
I don't know. Yeah, well, thank you for that. Dave

2064
02:38:35.840 --> 02:38:43.319
Marler. I have a question for
you just and you know the question I

2065
02:38:43.479 --> 02:38:46.879
posed earlier. You have been doing
this research for a long time. You're

2066
02:38:48.479 --> 02:38:56.639
the Your great work on UFO tangle
triangle or UFOSS fascinating. And by the

2067
02:38:56.719 --> 02:39:01.079
way, I was visiting in Arizona
last week and talk to someone that had

2068
02:39:01.719 --> 02:39:09.200
a his mother had a triangle UFO
sighting. Was it nineteen forty eight?

2069
02:39:11.040 --> 02:39:16.120
It was, I believe nineteen forty
eight, which is which is pretty amazing.

2070
02:39:16.319 --> 02:39:18.959
But the question I want to ask
you, Dave, with all the

2071
02:39:18.079 --> 02:39:22.520
research that you have done in all
these years, do you have an idea

2072
02:39:22.559 --> 02:39:26.959
of what you think that we are
being visited by? What's your thoughts on

2073
02:39:26.120 --> 02:39:30.559
that? You know? I think
I echo what a lot of the statements

2074
02:39:30.639 --> 02:39:35.280
have been made previously. I think
the the non sequitur when we go down

2075
02:39:35.360 --> 02:39:39.440
this pathway where we ask for what
is the answer to the UFO mystery?

2076
02:39:41.479 --> 02:39:45.760
There is no answer singular. I
think there's probably as many of the other

2077
02:39:45.959 --> 02:39:52.079
panelists alluded to, it's multiple,
overlapping phenomena plural. I don't think it's

2078
02:39:52.159 --> 02:39:56.760
one thing. I think it's overly
simplistic to try to attribute one answer,

2079
02:39:56.159 --> 02:40:01.479
one source to whatever we're dealing with. And so, you know, as

2080
02:40:01.520 --> 02:40:03.200
you know Martin, I don't like
to speculate too much. I just like

2081
02:40:03.319 --> 02:40:07.120
to look at the data, look
to see if there's patterns in the data.

2082
02:40:07.559 --> 02:40:09.399
And really, at the end of
the day, as I think again

2083
02:40:09.479 --> 02:40:13.840
many of the panelists alluded to,
each individual has to formulate their own conclusion.

2084
02:40:13.920 --> 02:40:18.680
You know, there's been some great
discussion here, you know, Michael

2085
02:40:18.760 --> 02:40:24.399
referencing the younger people coming on board
and Christian talking about belief versus knowledge.

2086
02:40:24.440 --> 02:40:26.200
I mean, these are always things
I like to talk about, but they're

2087
02:40:26.239 --> 02:40:31.840
important to talk about. But in
addition and addend them to the younger generation

2088
02:40:31.920 --> 02:40:35.399
that's getting involved in the subject.
Now, I've noticed there's a whole new

2089
02:40:35.479 --> 02:40:41.680
generation of older people that are now
reaching out and expressing interest. And I

2090
02:40:41.719 --> 02:40:46.280
have just two very brief examples.
Approximately six seven months ago, I did

2091
02:40:46.399 --> 02:40:50.559
a local Albuquerque live radio show and
we had callers calling in, and one

2092
02:40:50.600 --> 02:40:56.000
gentleman claimed that he was a retired
lieutenant colonel in the Air Force. And

2093
02:40:56.239 --> 02:41:00.280
when I'd mentioned I have the original
project goobook files here and doctor j Allen

2094
02:41:00.360 --> 02:41:05.360
Heinex material, he expressed interest.
So I asked the producer offline to get

2095
02:41:05.399 --> 02:41:09.040
his contact information or given mine and
maybe we can get together. And about

2096
02:41:09.079 --> 02:41:13.079
three or four weeks after that,
not only did this gentleman show up,

2097
02:41:13.440 --> 02:41:20.680
he brought a retired colonel in the
Air Force with him. Now, I've

2098
02:41:20.719 --> 02:41:22.600
been doing this for thirty one years, and that's not as long as there's

2099
02:41:22.799 --> 02:41:26.760
some people like Chris on the panel. But in all these years, I

2100
02:41:28.000 --> 02:41:33.319
never had a retired Air Force lieutenant
colonel and colonel coming to my home to

2101
02:41:33.399 --> 02:41:37.920
sit here at this table behind me
to talk seriously about the UFO subject.

2102
02:41:39.399 --> 02:41:43.319
And I can only attribute that to
the New York Times article, the subsequent

2103
02:41:43.399 --> 02:41:46.959
media coverage, the Pentagon UAP report, whatever we think of it. You

2104
02:41:48.040 --> 02:41:50.840
know, I think for those that
were disappointed, you set the expectation bar

2105
02:41:50.920 --> 02:41:54.000
too high. That's just my own
personal opinion. But at the end of

2106
02:41:54.040 --> 02:41:58.799
the day, and I was having
a conversation with Barry Greenwood about this taking

2107
02:41:58.840 --> 02:42:03.079
a step back. Even though it
substance, and admittedly it was a declassified

2108
02:42:03.200 --> 02:42:05.319
report, it was a preliminary report
for the general public, so we got

2109
02:42:05.399 --> 02:42:09.440
to keep that in mind. But
at the end of the day, the

2110
02:42:09.600 --> 02:42:11.639
takeaway is this and for those that
have been doing this for a long time,

2111
02:42:13.719 --> 02:42:18.280
official acknowledgement that there is a phenomenon, and you know, even though

2112
02:42:18.319 --> 02:42:22.840
it was devoid of case details and
it didn't get into the history, which

2113
02:42:22.920 --> 02:42:26.200
was my biggest as a historian.
That was my biggest angst is if you

2114
02:42:26.280 --> 02:42:30.360
read this report you knew nothing of
the subject, you swear all this started

2115
02:42:30.360 --> 02:42:33.399
in two thousand and four. It
didn't allude to the history. Chris,

2116
02:42:33.479 --> 02:42:37.959
I knew that would get your laughing, because I'm sure that was your impression

2117
02:42:37.000 --> 02:42:41.079
as well. If you didn't know
anything about the subject, you'd swear this

2118
02:42:41.159 --> 02:42:46.840
all started in two thousand and four. But right, but taking into accounts

2119
02:42:46.840 --> 02:42:50.319
some of these things that the panelists
were discussing, we do have a younger

2120
02:42:50.399 --> 02:42:56.239
generation now wanting to look at this
subject. We have older individuals that told

2121
02:42:56.280 --> 02:42:58.719
me point blank. In fact,
I had a gentleman that works at a

2122
02:42:58.760 --> 02:43:03.680
bank in New York City came out
here to see the collection, and Barry

2123
02:43:03.760 --> 02:43:07.799
Greenwood and jan Aldridge were here at
the time, and one of them asked,

2124
02:43:07.879 --> 02:43:09.680
you know, when did your interests
start in the subject? Oh,

2125
02:43:11.159 --> 02:43:15.959
the New York Times article came out
in twenty seventeen. So we have older

2126
02:43:16.040 --> 02:43:18.959
people that never gave the subject a
second thought now interested in the subject,

2127
02:43:20.319 --> 02:43:24.799
including retired military individuals like the two
gentlemen I spoke with. We have a

2128
02:43:24.959 --> 02:43:28.559
younger generation, as we discussed earlier, that's now coming into the fold.

2129
02:43:30.159 --> 02:43:33.920
Chris, you were talking about the
Benewits affair, and I too saw those

2130
02:43:33.959 --> 02:43:37.959
pictures where people were wrapping their arms
around Rick Dodi like he was some celebrity.

2131
02:43:39.760 --> 02:43:43.799
I feel truly, and I don't
mean to oversell this. It is

2132
02:43:43.879 --> 02:43:46.680
incumbent upon people that have been in
this field for a long time, that

2133
02:43:46.959 --> 02:43:52.639
know the history, to convey that
history to the next generation. Because if

2134
02:43:52.680 --> 02:43:56.760
you don't know the Rick Dodis that
are out there, you don't know what

2135
02:43:56.840 --> 02:44:00.600
they were capable of. You're prone
to fall for the same trap again.

2136
02:44:01.680 --> 02:44:09.079
And so with cases with the nefarious
acts that have been conducted by certain official

2137
02:44:09.239 --> 02:44:13.280
or unofficial agencies. I just think
we need to be aware of the history

2138
02:44:13.959 --> 02:44:18.399
as we continue to move forward with
all of these exciting things that are happening,

2139
02:44:18.440 --> 02:44:24.600
like the Gillibrand initiative. So yeah, I think it's impressive to me

2140
02:44:24.680 --> 02:44:28.440
because I was going to bring up
I'm all for Lewis, all four of

2141
02:44:28.479 --> 02:44:31.239
the young people pushing this. But
I had a long talk today with a

2142
02:44:31.280 --> 02:44:35.479
friend of mine who's been at this
longer than I have, and brought up

2143
02:44:35.559 --> 02:44:41.639
all the historical data, like the
estimate of the situation, all of the

2144
02:44:41.760 --> 02:44:45.639
things throughout this time that have been
going on that young people, because it

2145
02:44:45.840 --> 02:44:50.719
was asking me, well, are
our congressmen ignorant or incompetent? And I

2146
02:44:50.799 --> 02:44:54.120
said, no, how many of
the people on the street know what we're

2147
02:44:54.159 --> 02:44:56.159
talking about. How many of them, like you said, they weren't even

2148
02:44:56.200 --> 02:45:01.159
alive back in those days. So
we're not going to be around here forever.

2149
02:45:01.280 --> 02:45:05.040
So if the young people don't pick
up the ball and move it down

2150
02:45:05.079 --> 02:45:09.760
the field, but don't I wish
they would stop in some cases and remember,

2151
02:45:09.959 --> 02:45:13.319
looking at the material that you've got. I wondered those two Air Force

2152
02:45:13.399 --> 02:45:16.079
officers go in there and look at
that. Were they aware of any of

2153
02:45:16.159 --> 02:45:20.000
this? Had they heard suspicions?
Now they're able to go back and look

2154
02:45:20.040 --> 02:45:24.000
through your material and suddenly I wonder
if it's eye opening for them to realize

2155
02:45:24.760 --> 02:45:30.280
this has been going on for decades, more sixty or more years, and

2156
02:45:30.440 --> 02:45:35.280
things people like you said, and
everybody thinks, well, even Ivy Loebe,

2157
02:45:35.280 --> 02:45:39.600
who I hope is successful, but
initially it was not going to look

2158
02:45:39.639 --> 02:45:43.879
at any of the historical data only. But then he's connecting himself to people

2159
02:45:43.879 --> 02:45:46.319
who've been at this for a while
now, which maybe a good thing.

2160
02:45:46.840 --> 02:45:48.959
But then, like you said,
and the people who think, well,

2161
02:45:50.000 --> 02:45:52.719
even the D and I report,
they didn't look at anything beyond two thousand

2162
02:45:52.799 --> 02:45:56.879
and four. I mean the reasons
who thought that, you know, the

2163
02:45:56.959 --> 02:46:05.719
reasoning supposedly is because of technology.
They wanted updated technology. Just Alejandro Rojas

2164
02:46:05.840 --> 02:46:07.959
might be popping in here. I'm
trying to get him on so anyway,

2165
02:46:09.120 --> 02:46:11.319
but go ahead, continues, Well, now, I was just going to

2166
02:46:11.479 --> 02:46:15.959
acknowledge the fact that I that you
mentioned Barry Greenwood and jan Aldrich and so

2167
02:46:16.120 --> 02:46:18.920
many times. I think, you
know, those who forget the lessons of

2168
02:46:20.000 --> 02:46:22.520
history are doomed to repeat them.
And if we're only going to be starting

2169
02:46:22.559 --> 02:46:26.920
these things since twenty seventeen or two
thousand and four, you're forgetting. And

2170
02:46:26.040 --> 02:46:30.319
I don't know whether there's some heads
would roll if people looked at them.

2171
02:46:30.360 --> 02:46:31.600
You know, eventually, when all
this comes out and people look at the

2172
02:46:31.680 --> 02:46:35.920
history of anancy, who's been calling
what shots? Where? There are people

2173
02:46:35.959 --> 02:46:39.360
who like the Pandora paper, the
people who don't want to be caught with

2174
02:46:39.440 --> 02:46:43.079
their you know where the things they
shouldn't have been done. But even if

2175
02:46:43.120 --> 02:46:46.840
you let Dodie off because he was
stuck, he happened to be there.

2176
02:46:48.319 --> 02:46:52.239
There were people above him, There
were people he answered to. I mean,

2177
02:46:52.319 --> 02:46:54.920
I would have loved to have asked
lou because nobody seems to ask him.

2178
02:46:54.959 --> 02:46:56.280
Well, he said, two people
came to him in his office and

2179
02:46:56.319 --> 02:47:01.440
asked him what he thought about UFOs. Okay, who are those two people?

2180
02:47:01.879 --> 02:47:05.559
Those are people who are connected up
the ladder, so to speak.

2181
02:47:05.239 --> 02:47:09.959
Anyway, I'm done, Martin.
You can go ahead and do whatever you

2182
02:47:09.000 --> 02:47:13.079
need or somebody else can speak.
Oh no, look who joined us?

2183
02:47:16.479 --> 02:47:31.120
Who joined it? And good see
everybody? Yeah yeah, um so I'm

2184
02:47:31.159 --> 02:47:33.600
glad you finally made it. I
know, you know, I got to

2185
02:47:33.719 --> 02:47:35.840
visit you when I was out in
California and I saw your command center and

2186
02:47:35.920 --> 02:47:39.520
all your monitors and how busy you
are. A lot of people are saying,

2187
02:47:39.520 --> 02:47:43.959
where's Alejandro, Where's Alejandro? And
you know, the only answer I

2188
02:47:43.040 --> 02:47:46.399
can ever give them is you're working
like crazy. You're working a lot of

2189
02:47:48.879 --> 02:47:52.319
digging my way out of the pandemic
pool that I got that so many of

2190
02:47:52.440 --> 02:47:58.360
us got ourselves into. So yeah, I'm just doing boring stuff, mortgage

2191
02:47:58.440 --> 02:48:03.120
stuff. So I'm just doing loan
after loan after loan after loan, and

2192
02:48:03.000 --> 02:48:05.719
that's all I'm doing. Yeah,
working, working, working, And so

2193
02:48:05.840 --> 02:48:11.680
I haven't really been, of course, as people know, plugged in,

2194
02:48:11.360 --> 02:48:16.000
at least those of you who are
on social media, So like David,

2195
02:48:16.040 --> 02:48:18.799
I know you're not in there much. You might have noticed I haven't been

2196
02:48:18.840 --> 02:48:20.760
in there. Usually I'm in there
all the time. Who knows that,

2197
02:48:22.239 --> 02:48:26.000
you know, tweeting away. So
yeah, so I have been keeping tabs

2198
02:48:26.000 --> 02:48:30.959
a little bit, you know.
And also still you'll be able to see

2199
02:48:31.000 --> 02:48:37.000
me on Ancient Alien soon, supposed
to do something with Skinwalker soon, another

2200
02:48:37.120 --> 02:48:43.639
couple of TV shows been working with
and then also in the background kind of

2201
02:48:43.719 --> 02:48:50.159
working on a couple of other projects. We'll see what those turn into.

2202
02:48:50.159 --> 02:48:52.959
I'd like them to turn into books, but just I think there's a lot

2203
02:48:52.000 --> 02:48:56.920
of stories to tell now. I
think that you know, we all have

2204
02:48:58.040 --> 02:49:01.479
been in there for a really long
time, and there's a lot of different

2205
02:49:01.559 --> 02:49:05.879
angles to share information with people.
And I really think that there's a couple

2206
02:49:05.879 --> 02:49:11.319
of really big stories out there to
kind of let the general public know that

2207
02:49:11.360 --> 02:49:16.600
they're interested and um, what's interesting
on how this all stuff came always came

2208
02:49:16.639 --> 02:49:20.920
about. So it's sometimes hard for
us to not you know, we're so

2209
02:49:20.079 --> 02:49:22.959
much in the weeds, usually day
by day, and that's what kind of

2210
02:49:24.000 --> 02:49:28.239
helps by stepping back, too,
is tending to take a bigger picture look

2211
02:49:28.280 --> 02:49:31.399
at things and think about, well, you know, what is what are

2212
02:49:31.440 --> 02:49:35.159
the pieces of information that might be
helpful to the to the people out there

2213
02:49:35.239 --> 02:49:39.440
kind of overwhelmed by all this information
that they're getting right right, Um,

2214
02:49:39.680 --> 02:49:45.920
yeah, you know, I mean
I understand stepping back. I wonder you

2215
02:49:46.040 --> 02:49:48.879
know, I think it's it's probably
good for anyone that's really in this to

2216
02:49:50.040 --> 02:49:54.280
step back. I had Chris Pittman
on UM two weeks ago, and he

2217
02:49:54.319 --> 02:49:58.319
said that he he bailed out of
the whole topic for you know, a

2218
02:49:58.479 --> 02:50:01.200
number of years, and you know, he's he's kind of reluctant carefully,

2219
02:50:01.520 --> 02:50:05.879
you know, stepping back into it. But uh yeah, I can understand.

2220
02:50:07.079 --> 02:50:11.440
I understand that you can get a
different perspective when you're outside and looking

2221
02:50:11.520 --> 02:50:16.840
at looking in. And I also
kind of feel like what I was seeking,

2222
02:50:16.920 --> 02:50:22.440
what I my big personal goal was
met. My thing when I got

2223
02:50:22.520 --> 02:50:26.159
into this, and you know,
when I was in journalism more and in

2224
02:50:26.280 --> 02:50:30.280
journalism school, was like, why
is this story being ignored? There's no

2225
02:50:30.479 --> 02:50:35.920
good reason except for the giggle factor
to ignore this story. And so my

2226
02:50:37.079 --> 02:50:39.040
big thing was to try to show
look, there is a lot of credible

2227
02:50:39.120 --> 02:50:43.879
information, and I think it is
a matter of how the information is presented

2228
02:50:45.360 --> 02:50:48.200
as well. And I think that's
finally happened. And to be honest,

2229
02:50:48.239 --> 02:50:52.159
you know, I know maybe it's
not always a popular opinion, but I'm

2230
02:50:52.200 --> 02:50:56.879
really excited to see what media and
mainstream media does with this. I think

2231
02:50:56.319 --> 02:50:58.520
there are a lot of people who
are doing a lot of good work,

2232
02:50:58.680 --> 02:51:01.959
people like you know, he's kind
of a friendom a little biased, Brian

2233
02:51:03.040 --> 02:51:05.079
Bender, but you know, we
became friends because of a common interest.

2234
02:51:05.120 --> 02:51:09.639
And I think, you know,
people like Brian Bender working for Politico and

2235
02:51:09.879 --> 02:51:18.440
others are really their take is very
interesting. They're embedded in their own groups

2236
02:51:18.920 --> 02:51:24.120
in in DC or at the Pentagon
and such, and so they have a

2237
02:51:24.239 --> 02:51:28.479
valuable perspective, and I think it's
really interesting to see what happens when they

2238
02:51:28.559 --> 02:51:31.840
dig in. So I love that
aspect of things. So let them run

2239
02:51:31.879 --> 02:51:35.920
and see what they figure out.
And I think personally that they are making

2240
02:51:35.000 --> 02:51:41.399
strides the other side of things.
Besides, you know, the mainstream journalism

2241
02:51:41.559 --> 02:51:45.959
is science. You know, people
like doctor Michael Masters there, and you

2242
02:51:46.040 --> 02:51:52.559
know others in academia who I think
are doing some extraordinary What's great you know,

2243
02:51:52.040 --> 02:51:56.399
to take doctor Masters there as an
example, what's great is when you

2244
02:51:56.520 --> 02:52:05.120
apply science and scientific kind of inquiry. I think that the results are amazing.

2245
02:52:05.440 --> 02:52:09.879
I think, you know Michael's talks, for example, the entire thing

2246
02:52:11.520 --> 02:52:16.440
is so interesting because he's taking it
from you know, more of an academic

2247
02:52:18.159 --> 02:52:22.840
rigor and study, and he's making
all of these these discoveries, you know,

2248
02:52:24.040 --> 02:52:28.000
that are related to work that people
have already done. And then also

2249
02:52:28.440 --> 02:52:31.079
other scientists who are doing the same
thing, Kevin Canue, of course,

2250
02:52:31.120 --> 02:52:35.600
Abbey Low. I think what they're
doing is fascinating, and I think that's

2251
02:52:35.680 --> 02:52:39.440
just the tip of the iceberg in
that whole arena's going to burge in,

2252
02:52:39.079 --> 02:52:43.799
and I think that that's where we're
going to really see some ground shaking results

2253
02:52:43.920 --> 02:52:48.879
personally. Yeah, Linda just dropped
out, and I figured we probably stopped

2254
02:52:48.920 --> 02:52:54.319
right at the top of the hour, seven minutes away. Yeah. Yeah,

2255
02:52:54.399 --> 02:52:58.959
but this has been really a lot
of fun. We've discussed all kinds

2256
02:52:58.000 --> 02:53:03.239
of topics. We haven't quite solved
the problem yet. We're getting close,

2257
02:53:03.639 --> 02:53:07.959
but good. You got a few
more minutes. Yeah, that's true.

2258
02:53:07.440 --> 02:53:13.959
Pressure. Yeah, Um, all
right, this, I'm gonna post this

2259
02:53:13.120 --> 02:53:16.600
one last question. I've asked a
couple of different people this, and I

2260
02:53:16.680 --> 02:53:20.959
don't know if anyone wants to tackle
it, but just say that we are,

2261
02:53:22.120 --> 02:53:30.360
um hype um, that we are
being visited by another intelligence from another

2262
02:53:30.520 --> 02:53:33.200
planet. I'm going to go down
that road that we are being visited.

2263
02:53:33.319 --> 02:53:37.559
What would make us so special?
If there could be billions and billions and

2264
02:53:37.639 --> 02:53:43.479
billions billions of planets out there that
are housing life similar to ours, why

2265
02:53:43.520 --> 02:53:46.360
would we be any special? Why
would be we be visited in particular?

2266
02:53:48.440 --> 02:53:54.799
Anyone want to tackle that? Yeah, I'm just going to answer it and

2267
02:53:54.920 --> 02:53:58.360
kind of turn your question around.
Maybe we're not that unique. Maybe We're

2268
02:53:58.440 --> 02:54:03.719
just one of many stopping points,
one of many areas of study. We're

2269
02:54:03.799 --> 02:54:07.239
just one petrie dish in the great
cosmos, and that you know, we're

2270
02:54:07.360 --> 02:54:13.639
number six hundred and forty nine of
many different species that are being monitored and

2271
02:54:13.840 --> 02:54:20.559
evaluated and cataloged. And you know, maybe we're just one big, you

2272
02:54:20.639 --> 02:54:26.600
know, multi thousand year, multi
thousand year longitudinal study, anthropological study of

2273
02:54:26.879 --> 02:54:33.280
just yet another semi intelligent and I
use that very carefully, semi intelligent species

2274
02:54:33.840 --> 02:54:37.559
that is, you know, still
surviving, but you know, walking that

2275
02:54:37.760 --> 02:54:41.440
tight rope of armageddon, you know, with some of the behaviors that we're

2276
02:54:41.479 --> 02:54:46.360
engaged in. Yeah, absolutely,
I tend to agree with David. I

2277
02:54:46.440 --> 02:54:50.120
mean, and in fact, part
of it not long ago, and I

2278
02:54:50.280 --> 02:54:54.520
downloaded the picture and kept it.
I saw a picture of the pale blue

2279
02:54:54.559 --> 02:54:58.840
dot, the small image of the
Earth way off the distance, and you

2280
02:54:58.959 --> 02:55:05.920
realize, we're a small speck in
this huge corner out here, and we

2281
02:55:05.079 --> 02:55:07.920
think we're special because we're all we
know, I mean, always related to

2282
02:55:09.079 --> 02:55:11.079
some small island with some pygmies off
the coast of Borneo, and they think

2283
02:55:11.120 --> 02:55:16.959
they're in charge of everything, but
we don't particularly care. But I heard

2284
02:55:16.959 --> 02:55:20.520
a theory that it was attributed to
somebody I could name, but I don't

2285
02:55:20.520 --> 02:55:22.520
want to name him. But it's
someone that gave me a lot to think

2286
02:55:22.559 --> 02:55:28.159
about, which was many of what
we've heard, the encounters that we've heard,

2287
02:55:28.440 --> 02:55:35.680
they act more like scientists as opposed
to invaders, and thinking of it

2288
02:55:35.799 --> 02:55:39.680
from the perspective of, yeah,
there's the picture, from the perspective of

2289
02:55:39.280 --> 02:55:45.639
scientists going to far off places to
see what's there, similar maybe to some

2290
02:55:45.799 --> 02:55:48.319
of our guys who go down to
the Amazon and look for us odd fungus

2291
02:55:48.399 --> 02:55:52.280
on a tree because they may bring
it back and it may serve some use

2292
02:55:52.399 --> 02:55:56.479
for their own reasons. And for
those reasons, they may be coming out

2293
02:55:56.559 --> 02:56:01.000
to these far corners of the universal
our age of the galaxy out here,

2294
02:56:01.159 --> 02:56:07.440
and we're interpreting it Hollywood versions most
of the time. You know it's some

2295
02:56:07.600 --> 02:56:11.200
kind of threat. Well, I
guess you know. The Indians were probably

2296
02:56:11.319 --> 02:56:16.239
right to see the white man as
a threat from that perspective, even if

2297
02:56:16.120 --> 02:56:20.600
there was nothing anywhere, like the
Hawaiians saying the first Europeans, there's nothing

2298
02:56:20.639 --> 02:56:24.280
they could do about it. And
at the end of the day, I

2299
02:56:24.559 --> 02:56:28.520
have a suspicion that we're not that
special. I mean, fortunately, we're

2300
02:56:28.559 --> 02:56:31.799
going to hopefully become a part of
something greater. But if you could get

2301
02:56:31.840 --> 02:56:35.719
whatever you want and you can travel
around the universe, of what are you

2302
02:56:35.760 --> 02:56:39.159
going to worry about going out here
and conquering some small, tiny blue spec

2303
02:56:39.200 --> 02:56:41.600
out here in the middle of nowhere. I still want to know. I

2304
02:56:41.719 --> 02:56:45.680
still want to know what it is. I want to I'm with favor right,

2305
02:56:45.719 --> 02:56:50.280
I want to fly one of them. But yeah, but the idea

2306
02:56:50.319 --> 02:56:54.600
of that kind of that galactic zoo
idea too, either or being watched or

2307
02:56:54.200 --> 02:56:58.239
yeah, I agree. I think
David said it that it seems like there's

2308
02:56:58.280 --> 02:57:01.440
a research opponent to this, and
whether they're from the future, or they're

2309
02:57:01.479 --> 02:57:07.440
from a different planet, or they're
coming from a simulation or some conscious manifestation

2310
02:57:07.600 --> 02:57:11.879
that comes into our reality, they're
clearly are interested in studying us, and

2311
02:57:11.000 --> 02:57:15.479
I think that's a big component of
this phenomenon. But yeah, when when

2312
02:57:15.600 --> 02:57:18.959
when we try to play it up
as a threat that makes people pay attention

2313
02:57:18.040 --> 02:57:22.840
in Congress, But I think all
of us, no, it's not a

2314
02:57:22.920 --> 02:57:26.879
threat, and we've known that for
a long time. But if they need

2315
02:57:26.959 --> 02:57:31.040
to play that angle to understand it, but yeah, I don't worry about

2316
02:57:31.040 --> 02:57:33.639
an invasion, that's for sure.
Well, I think the James Webb Telescope

2317
02:57:33.799 --> 02:57:39.040
is gonna start to put the realization
out there that we are not that special,

2318
02:57:39.799 --> 02:57:46.920
that this universe is teeming with life. And I'm excited for things like

2319
02:57:48.040 --> 02:57:52.399
that because I think it's going to
really start changing the conversation on a national

2320
02:57:52.559 --> 02:57:56.479
level. Yeah, you know,
while well, I'm saying, all they

2321
02:57:56.520 --> 02:58:01.079
have to do is be able to
detect some type the chemistry out there that

2322
02:58:01.120 --> 02:58:07.799
would and all it takes is one
one signature and biosignatures, and the conversation

2323
02:58:07.920 --> 02:58:11.440
is going to change in a real
significant way. And it's not I think

2324
02:58:11.479 --> 02:58:16.600
that giggle factor that Alejandra rojas Uh
puts up is gonna go away. Yeah.

2325
02:58:16.920 --> 02:58:20.399
Yeah, I think what Lucy's saying
and what David even focused on,

2326
02:58:20.520 --> 02:58:26.040
and the idea that that Abril Haynes, the DNI, was on this recent

2327
02:58:26.600 --> 02:58:33.879
conference, and something tells me why
would she do that? It kind of

2328
02:58:33.959 --> 02:58:35.840
makes me wonder, with James Webb
and everything else, if there's not some

2329
02:58:37.319 --> 02:58:43.040
realization that ultimately they better get ahead
of this topic now, because just the

2330
02:58:43.200 --> 02:58:45.600
idea, I mean, I could
think of a lot of things people have

2331
02:58:45.680 --> 02:58:50.959
said, but for her after this
to go out on stage and basically say

2332
02:58:52.239 --> 02:58:54.959
maybe, you know, maybe it
seems to me it's a popular topic.

2333
02:58:56.479 --> 02:58:58.159
But I want to think, you
know, like you guys said, you

2334
02:58:58.200 --> 02:59:01.079
know a lot of people say,
well, we're like ants, you know,

2335
02:59:01.239 --> 02:59:03.920
to them, so why would they
care? But we have people that

2336
02:59:05.079 --> 02:59:09.719
study ants. We have people that's
their job to study ants. So kind

2337
02:59:09.760 --> 02:59:11.360
of, like Chris said, it
does seem if it's going on to be

2338
02:59:11.479 --> 02:59:15.079
more scientific in nature, you know, that could be the interest. But

2339
02:59:15.159 --> 02:59:18.079
I also think, you know,
getting back to all your points that we're

2340
02:59:18.120 --> 02:59:22.520
not special, is what we're going
through is likely not special. There's probably

2341
02:59:22.600 --> 02:59:28.879
been a numerous amount of civilizations out
there that are semi intelligent that are hopefully

2342
02:59:28.000 --> 02:59:35.159
potentially moving into another stage. So
what we're going through is probably not unique

2343
02:59:35.200 --> 02:59:39.600
either and probably worthy of study.
Especially if we are about to destroy ourselves.

2344
02:59:39.719 --> 02:59:43.559
Let's document how the earthlings on humans
destroy themselves. You know. I

2345
02:59:43.719 --> 02:59:48.920
think that that that's another aspect to
this, that what it's probably happened before,

2346
02:59:50.000 --> 02:59:54.840
what we're going through. Yeah,
I can tell you, Sorry,

2347
02:59:54.879 --> 02:59:58.559
Martin, I was gonna say,
this new bill has real teeth and it's

2348
02:59:58.600 --> 03:00:03.440
probably really going to have somewhere close
to a billion dollars budget, and it's

2349
03:00:03.479 --> 03:00:07.360
going to be a permanent office on
UAP studies that dives into the history of

2350
03:00:07.440 --> 03:00:11.920
this topic, going back not past
two thousand and four. Like I think

2351
03:00:11.959 --> 03:00:16.479
we all want to have this discussion. Um, so I'm hopeful. I'm

2352
03:00:16.520 --> 03:00:20.680
incredibly hopeful. I think that this
is going to have some power. It's

2353
03:00:20.680 --> 03:00:22.959
going to change the conversation. It's
not going to give us the craft,

2354
03:00:24.000 --> 03:00:26.799
it's not going to give us the
alien body, but it's gonna start I

2355
03:00:26.920 --> 03:00:28.760
think it. Like you said,
you have a feeling that they're kind of

2356
03:00:28.840 --> 03:00:33.319
getting ahead of this conversation. This
bill is exactly that it's getting. It's

2357
03:00:33.360 --> 03:00:37.319
getting ahead of the conversation. And
you know, I love his enthusiasm.

2358
03:00:37.840 --> 03:00:41.079
I remember when I was younger and
I had that, And don't think we

2359
03:00:41.159 --> 03:00:43.840
don't have it do we look older. I don't think we don't have it,

2360
03:00:43.959 --> 03:00:48.280
but at least there are people out
there who do have that enthusiasm.

2361
03:00:48.079 --> 03:00:54.200
I think that it would be for
the purpose of getting more funding for military

2362
03:00:54.280 --> 03:01:00.159
budget. The reason why I don't
think that is because the largest military bug

2363
03:01:00.440 --> 03:01:05.120
that has ever been approved just happened
without this, So no, I if

2364
03:01:05.159 --> 03:01:07.000
the military wants a budget, the
military is going to get a budget.

2365
03:01:07.079 --> 03:01:13.479
They don't have to do this.
Yeah you know. So that's that's where

2366
03:01:13.520 --> 03:01:18.319
I say no to that. If
the if the military military just approve you

2367
03:01:18.399 --> 03:01:24.399
know, a hundred planes that cost
half a trillion dollars for a hundred planes,

2368
03:01:24.079 --> 03:01:26.079
if they want the budget, they're
gonna get it. They don't need

2369
03:01:26.120 --> 03:01:30.959
a UFO story to do it.
I really think they finally care. They

2370
03:01:31.120 --> 03:01:33.920
finally are looking at cases like David
Marler presents all the time and they're like,

2371
03:01:35.040 --> 03:01:37.000
hey, we didn't pay attention to
these. We need to be ready

2372
03:01:37.040 --> 03:01:43.360
if this happens again. Um,
and that'll be great. But they're not

2373
03:01:43.440 --> 03:01:46.319
going to share anything. That's why
I get so excited about science, because

2374
03:01:46.360 --> 03:01:52.120
science is you know, they're all
about sharing. Um. Defense is not.

2375
03:01:52.200 --> 03:01:56.239
Well. Bill Nelson's Bill Nelson's face
when he talks about this is precious.

2376
03:01:58.239 --> 03:02:03.200
I just want to say hello to
our better late than Never guest,

2377
03:02:03.600 --> 03:02:07.280
Greg Bishop. Hey, Greg,
I was I was about to go down

2378
03:02:07.319 --> 03:02:13.920
and eat dinner and I see Greg
show up slot Man, I'm starving now

2379
03:02:13.000 --> 03:02:16.799
I gotta say hi. You know, yeah, Hey Greg, Hey,

2380
03:02:18.079 --> 03:02:22.399
and and Michael actually sent me some
um what did you what was it?

2381
03:02:22.159 --> 03:02:26.920
It was elk Elk summer sausage,
I think is what it was. It's

2382
03:02:26.920 --> 03:02:33.799
amazing stuff. Thank you how you
liked it. Well, I do have

2383
03:02:33.959 --> 03:02:37.200
to go eat soon, so I
apologize fans you. I mean, I'm

2384
03:02:37.280 --> 03:02:41.920
not in a I'm in no hurry
if anyone wants to hang out just a

2385
03:02:41.959 --> 03:02:46.600
little bit more because Dean Alioto is
coming back in. Um. That was

2386
03:02:46.680 --> 03:02:52.639
great too, damn it. Hold
on, I know we hear you,

2387
03:02:52.760 --> 03:03:00.879
Dean Chris. Hold on, okay, let me try. Now, are

2388
03:03:01.000 --> 03:03:13.159
you here one second? I promise
you're looking very Hollywood too. Yeah,

2389
03:03:13.799 --> 03:03:16.559
I think we're connected. Can you
guys here me? Yea, yeah we

2390
03:03:16.680 --> 03:03:20.639
here? Yeah, you were there
the whole time. Man. Yeah.

2391
03:03:22.479 --> 03:03:26.760
Anyway, I'm glad you made it. Greg Um, I am true.

2392
03:03:26.879 --> 03:03:31.920
I'm sorry. I've I've I got
sidetracked with something with my parents. But

2393
03:03:31.920 --> 03:03:35.760
I'm glad you're still going. So
that see always wonderful people. We have

2394
03:03:35.920 --> 03:03:41.280
no idea why we're still going,
but um, but I have appreciated um

2395
03:03:41.360 --> 03:03:45.840
everyone and Aljandro just came in a
few minutes ago, so that's great.

2396
03:03:45.879 --> 03:03:48.440
And I know you have to leave
pretty quickly, right, Uh, Michael,

2397
03:03:48.719 --> 03:03:52.559
I do. I'm starving and my
balance between food and my stomach and

2398
03:03:52.680 --> 03:03:58.680
konak and my stomach is starting at
the wrong directions. And this has been

2399
03:03:58.719 --> 03:04:03.159
a no I mean and and chairs
again. You know, this is awesome.

2400
03:04:03.239 --> 03:04:07.639
Ten years congratulations, that's that's fantastic. But I do I do have

2401
03:04:07.799 --> 03:04:11.159
to leave, all right, all
right, Hey, I look forward to

2402
03:04:11.239 --> 03:04:13.760
the next ten all right, all
right, all right, Michael, great

2403
03:04:13.799 --> 03:04:22.600
talking to you. Take it so
Greg. So what have you been up

2404
03:04:22.639 --> 03:04:26.040
too lately? I've listened to I
started listening to one of your shows today.

2405
03:04:26.360 --> 03:04:30.719
You're still doing that a lot of
fun. It's always you always have

2406
03:04:30.920 --> 03:04:35.200
interesting topics, great stuff. We
have been talking about all kinds of things

2407
03:04:35.280 --> 03:04:37.959
here, the meaning of life and
everything else. Well that's what that's what

2408
03:04:39.079 --> 03:04:41.360
you should do on podcasts. In
fact, on my show, I try

2409
03:04:41.399 --> 03:04:48.440
to talk like I'll have somebody on
like um uh Kevin Day, and I

2410
03:04:48.559 --> 03:04:52.719
didn't ask him about what happened on
the Princeton. I asked him about what

2411
03:04:52.840 --> 03:04:54.879
had happened to him and how he
felt about it, and so you know,

2412
03:04:56.000 --> 03:04:58.360
it's I try to go in an
area where you know you hadn't heard

2413
03:04:58.360 --> 03:05:03.520
about before questions I want to hear
answered, and so you know, that's

2414
03:05:03.639 --> 03:05:05.799
occasionally why I still do the show. Right now, I'm doing that you

2415
03:05:07.559 --> 03:05:11.399
uthology tarot thing with some friends of
mine. Um yeah, I saw that.

2416
03:05:11.719 --> 03:05:16.600
Yeah, and is one of them
Miguel from Mexico. Yeah, Miguel

2417
03:05:16.159 --> 03:05:22.840
Romero Red Build. Yeah. We
thought a story of UFOs and ufology through

2418
03:05:22.520 --> 03:05:26.440
through the medium of tarot cards,
and not not so you can tell the

2419
03:05:26.520 --> 03:05:30.280
future or anything, but just as
kind of way of presenting the history and

2420
03:05:30.959 --> 03:05:35.920
these people and their backgrounds and their
biographies and how they relate to others.

2421
03:05:35.000 --> 03:05:39.040
And it's it's just it's kind of
like writing a history of ufology, but

2422
03:05:39.120 --> 03:05:43.959
you're doing it in pictures. So
that's kind of that sounds interesting. I

2423
03:05:43.079 --> 03:05:48.399
just saw Ali Dean. Hey,
uh, Dean, you said you wanted

2424
03:05:48.440 --> 03:05:52.200
to comment and something you sent me
on something we're talking about. What was

2425
03:05:52.280 --> 03:05:56.159
that? You sent me a text
You're not You're muted, Dean, hold

2426
03:05:56.200 --> 03:06:00.799
on, you're muted. Sorry,
I had a wardrobe change heading out.

2427
03:06:00.879 --> 03:06:05.959
So but this is my moment where
I kind of go into the Network movie

2428
03:06:05.200 --> 03:06:07.360
where Peter Finch says, I'm matt
as Hell, I'm not going to take

2429
03:06:07.399 --> 03:06:13.799
it anymore. Yeah, yeah,
So I'm I'm kind of really sick and

2430
03:06:13.920 --> 03:06:18.239
want to cancel this this statement,
which is, you know, we're not

2431
03:06:18.360 --> 03:06:22.479
special enough, why would they want
to interact with us? Um, life

2432
03:06:22.680 --> 03:06:28.360
is not special, folks. Life
is in and of itself special, The

2433
03:06:28.479 --> 03:06:33.879
existence of it is special. It's
a it's not an intelligence beauty contest.

2434
03:06:33.280 --> 03:06:37.920
So whenever I hear people talk about
how they wouldn't be interesting us because of

2435
03:06:39.000 --> 03:06:43.959
this or that, as Alejandro mentioned
entomologists, it's it's just that's not even

2436
03:06:45.000 --> 03:06:48.399
worth spending time on to say,
well, they wouldn't do it because of

2437
03:06:48.479 --> 03:06:56.079
this or that. Who knows what
interests other intelligence forms, whether they're manipulating

2438
03:06:56.200 --> 03:06:58.520
us or they're just watching us,
and we have, you know, free

2439
03:06:58.559 --> 03:07:01.239
will. I'm just kind of you
know, bored with that that we're not

2440
03:07:01.360 --> 03:07:07.680
interesting enough. It's it's kind of
um, not just rude, but it's

2441
03:07:07.799 --> 03:07:11.079
it's so dismissive of life, you
know, as as it exists. So

2442
03:07:11.760 --> 03:07:18.440
no more hashtag cancel that you take
personal offense that aliens would not be interested

2443
03:07:18.520 --> 03:07:22.840
in you, and I I know
that I'm not interested, but you guys,

2444
03:07:22.280 --> 03:07:30.600
you're so fascinating. It's i think
you're fast so funny, funny.

2445
03:07:30.920 --> 03:07:33.799
Well, thank you for Dean,
And it was me that posed that question,

2446
03:07:33.920 --> 03:07:37.239
so cancel me if you want.
Oh was it you? I think

2447
03:07:37.280 --> 03:07:41.440
it was. Yeah, I'm right
there right now, you're gone. Bunny

2448
03:07:41.479 --> 03:07:48.280
Story and John ten years and done. Yeah, that was it my last

2449
03:07:48.319 --> 03:07:54.159
show. Yeah, no interesting.
So anyone want to Uh we were talking

2450
03:07:54.399 --> 03:08:00.120
different topics earlier. I know you
have been listening teen but you know,

2451
03:08:00.239 --> 03:08:05.079
does anyone want to speculate anymore?
I know speculating isn't always a good idea,

2452
03:08:05.159 --> 03:08:07.719
but you know, I like a
lot of times I like to listen

2453
03:08:07.760 --> 03:08:11.280
to Greg because you know, I
remember, Greg, you said something,

2454
03:08:11.360 --> 03:08:16.639
I'm not so interested in the UFO, But when that person drove by,

2455
03:08:16.760 --> 03:08:20.760
they saw a stuffed teddy bear in
plaid or something like that. You know,

2456
03:08:20.879 --> 03:08:24.799
you like to pick up on these
little subtle things that make something very

2457
03:08:26.600 --> 03:08:30.879
curious. And uh, yeah,
there's there's two reasons for that one.

2458
03:08:31.000 --> 03:08:35.399
A long time ago, I interviewed
Carla Turner if people remember who she was?

2459
03:08:35.200 --> 03:08:39.360
And she said something that really stuck
with me, and it was to

2460
03:08:39.479 --> 03:08:43.200
me, the answer is going to
align the anomalous details, which I really

2461
03:08:43.280 --> 03:08:46.600
took to heart. And the other
thing is something that's going on right now.

2462
03:08:46.840 --> 03:08:52.719
If you know Earl Gray Anderson,
who lives out here in LA he

2463
03:08:52.879 --> 03:08:58.760
said something to me a couple of
months ago after I gave a talk for

2464
03:08:58.000 --> 03:09:01.079
him, and he said, UM. I asked him, you know,

2465
03:09:01.159 --> 03:09:07.360
how do you know when when one
of your cases is worth pursuing, Because

2466
03:09:07.360 --> 03:09:11.040
he's a mophone investigator, and he
said, if there's not something they tell

2467
03:09:11.120 --> 03:09:15.959
me that makes no sense whatsoever,
I doubt that it's a that it's a

2468
03:09:16.000 --> 03:09:18.239
real case. If there's no you
know, not something that like, they'll

2469
03:09:18.360 --> 03:09:20.680
they'll say, oh, I saw
this thing come down, or I you

2470
03:09:20.719 --> 03:09:24.479
know, I got abducted or whatever, and then they say something like and

2471
03:09:26.280 --> 03:09:30.000
um, my grandmother called me from
beyond the grave, or you know,

2472
03:09:30.319 --> 03:09:35.760
or just something that makes no sense
whatsoever in the context of some kind of

2473
03:09:35.840 --> 03:09:39.159
experience. UM. He says that
those tend to be the ones that he

2474
03:09:39.719 --> 03:09:45.239
believes or seems to think to have
more validity. And there's a you know

2475
03:09:45.479 --> 03:09:46.760
that, I think that's a clue
as to what's going on. You're the

2476
03:09:46.840 --> 03:09:50.200
weirder, the thing is, the
truer it is. It seems like um,

2477
03:09:50.440 --> 03:09:54.360
and people are going to have to
start accepting that because if something holds

2478
03:09:54.399 --> 03:10:00.639
together logically, UM, I don't
think it's uh, it's not part of

2479
03:10:00.680 --> 03:10:03.680
the you know, it's not as
much part of the UFO. Yeah.

2480
03:10:03.760 --> 03:10:07.239
And I think that the some of
the answers or at least understanding of that

2481
03:10:07.399 --> 03:10:11.600
is going to come and looking at
those things that don't fit in and those

2482
03:10:11.639 --> 03:10:16.120
anomalies and things that that A that
a that a at least previously serious researchers

2483
03:10:16.159 --> 03:10:20.719
would throw out. They would they
would you know, win over problem with

2484
03:10:20.840 --> 03:10:24.079
that is, how do you have
any understanding of that? Now? That

2485
03:10:24.319 --> 03:10:28.479
could be part of the nature of
like the enigma you're talking about, But

2486
03:10:28.600 --> 03:10:31.879
the problem is you can't have any
understanding of something like that. Um.

2487
03:10:33.360 --> 03:10:39.079
That being the case, really yeah, well my my, um, how

2488
03:10:39.079 --> 03:10:43.360
do you understand the non understandable?
I think in an oblique way that I

2489
03:10:43.440 --> 03:10:50.600
can't answer. It just seems like
something that is so strange that we can

2490
03:10:50.680 --> 03:10:56.719
only look at it in metaphor and
obliquely and not directly at it. Data

2491
03:10:56.920 --> 03:11:01.559
is good, Um. All the
record we have that have come up,

2492
03:11:01.639 --> 03:11:05.200
you know, we have gotten up
to this point are good, photographic evidence,

2493
03:11:05.360 --> 03:11:07.399
video, all that, but it
still doesn't tell us what it is,

2494
03:11:07.520 --> 03:11:11.639
where it comes from exactly, at
least in a way that most people

2495
03:11:11.760 --> 03:11:13.680
accept. So, you know,
I kind of look at what Woodley Striebert

2496
03:11:13.719 --> 03:11:18.239
said a while back is that whatever
it is, it's trying to contact people

2497
03:11:18.280 --> 03:11:22.559
and make sense to them in the
most democratic way possible. And in that

2498
03:11:22.680 --> 03:11:26.239
case it becomes very subjective. And
I think of you know, when you

2499
03:11:26.319 --> 03:11:30.959
see you know, I think all
of you have experiences. You see two

2500
03:11:31.040 --> 03:11:33.440
people that have had had some kind
of encounter, a close encounter, the

2501
03:11:33.600 --> 03:11:37.799
closer or the more, the more
significant for them, and that they can

2502
03:11:37.879 --> 03:11:43.680
have completely different experience, but both
know exactly what they're talking about. They

2503
03:11:43.760 --> 03:11:48.959
both know that they that they there's
something in how they interact where they know

2504
03:11:50.719 --> 03:11:54.479
that they they have they've had They've
both had a strange experience. Right.

2505
03:11:54.719 --> 03:12:00.520
You said something interesting in my doc
Greg you were talking about wasn't just one

2506
03:12:00.559 --> 03:12:05.799
thing you were talking about how people
when they go to investigate something, they

2507
03:12:05.840 --> 03:12:11.200
already have the answers that they want
and so they're doing everything to support that

2508
03:12:11.680 --> 03:12:15.399
and not look around at all that
I think I would love to see a

2509
03:12:15.520 --> 03:12:18.639
chart. It's kind of like the
five stages of grief of how you know

2510
03:12:18.760 --> 03:12:22.639
your interest kind of an UFOs begins
and then how it builds and it goes

2511
03:12:22.680 --> 03:12:26.000
to you from denial to acceptance,
and then you start formulating these ideas and

2512
03:12:26.159 --> 03:12:28.959
then I remember all of them in
my own journey, and I remember going,

2513
03:12:30.319 --> 03:12:33.760
well, if there's dead people on
the other side, then they're traveling

2514
03:12:33.799 --> 03:12:35.719
in the astral plane. Done.
I don't know how many times I've got

2515
03:12:35.959 --> 03:12:39.360
done, and then it morphs into
something else. So I think at the

2516
03:12:39.440 --> 03:12:41.159
end of the day, what we're
all trying to do is we're trying to

2517
03:12:41.239 --> 03:12:46.280
guess the end of the film and
we're not supposed to a degree, and

2518
03:12:46.399 --> 03:12:48.040
so I think we have to kind
of honor that as well. And if

2519
03:12:48.079 --> 03:12:52.600
we get little glimpse and stuff,
good for us. Those are bonuses and

2520
03:12:52.079 --> 03:12:56.600
you ring that bell. But you
know, if they want to be seen,

2521
03:12:56.959 --> 03:12:58.639
they're going to show us nuts and
bolts. For seventy years they've not

2522
03:12:58.719 --> 03:13:03.280
shown on us nuts and bolts,
regardless of if if the government has those

2523
03:13:03.280 --> 03:13:05.920
pictures are not. We all have
phones and hopefully we spend time doing this

2524
03:13:07.360 --> 03:13:11.040
as much as this right, But
yeah, that's my last two cents on

2525
03:13:11.159 --> 03:13:16.440
that. Well, may I just
say, Martin, Um, I have

2526
03:13:16.600 --> 03:13:18.399
to go, but I wanted to
just well, no, I think I

2527
03:13:18.479 --> 03:13:24.559
think we probably should wrap and uh
um sorry, Greg, and I'll how

2528
03:13:24.600 --> 03:13:33.360
are you? Oh sorry? Are
we supposed to rap? Yeah? Ye,

2529
03:13:33.520 --> 03:13:39.120
start somebody starting your rap? Okay, all right, I get it,

2530
03:13:39.159 --> 03:13:41.159
I get it, Okay, all
right. No, but I was

2531
03:13:41.239 --> 03:13:43.559
gonna say, Martin real quick,
I mean, just thank you for inviting

2532
03:13:43.600 --> 03:13:46.680
me to this and and you know, letting me be your guests today.

2533
03:13:48.280 --> 03:13:52.040
Um, if there's something that I've
learned about you is there's a couple of

2534
03:13:52.079 --> 03:13:56.239
things. First of all, you're
an inspiration and and you've inspired me and

2535
03:13:56.360 --> 03:14:01.280
and a lot of people have brought
that up in this this almost three hour

2536
03:14:01.360 --> 03:14:07.079
panel, well more than three hour
panel, And I'm happy that I know

2537
03:14:07.239 --> 03:14:11.719
you. And I've also have got
to start leaning on you to get some

2538
03:14:11.840 --> 03:14:16.760
more guests on my show, because
you know them all. And I'm so

2539
03:14:16.920 --> 03:14:20.799
happy to have been exposed to David
Marler and Dean and Irene and Greg and

2540
03:14:20.959 --> 03:14:26.120
everybody who was on the show today
and both of you guys, Alejandro and

2541
03:14:28.040 --> 03:14:31.559
Martin, both of you guys were
such a huge, huge inspiration. And

2542
03:14:33.719 --> 03:14:35.959
you know, every time I flew
a little too close to the sun,

2543
03:14:35.120 --> 03:14:39.440
you guys pulled me back a little
bit closer to the atmosphere and got me

2544
03:14:39.559 --> 03:14:43.159
thinking in more logical ways. And
I can't appreciate you guys enough for that.

2545
03:14:43.760 --> 03:14:48.959
And it's been an absolute pleasure and
honor to be here. And congratulations

2546
03:14:50.040 --> 03:14:52.760
on ten years, man, I
again, like, you do this once

2547
03:14:52.840 --> 03:14:56.360
a week for the last ten years. That's such a massive accomplishment. And

2548
03:14:56.600 --> 03:15:01.520
really, I mean their television show, those with way bigger budgets and things

2549
03:15:01.559 --> 03:15:05.239
that don't last anywhere near ten years, they're they're here and they're gone.

2550
03:15:05.360 --> 03:15:09.760
And I hope you give us another
ten years because I'm greedy like that.

2551
03:15:09.159 --> 03:15:13.520
But I appreciate you. Hey,
thanks so much. That was very nice

2552
03:15:13.520 --> 03:15:16.280
to you, all right, And
there's no better thanks than you doing what

2553
03:15:16.440 --> 03:15:18.520
you do. I mean, it's
so awesome that you're doing what you do

2554
03:15:20.920 --> 03:15:24.719
well. Thank you, Thank you. I was haying for lou there's no

2555
03:15:24.879 --> 03:15:28.239
better thanks you though it appreciation,
But for Martin, I'll thank you.

2556
03:15:31.040 --> 03:15:33.479
No, I'm mad. I'm not
gonna thank you for being here. I'm

2557
03:15:33.600 --> 03:15:37.559
gonna I'm like, why did you
pull me off of stuff that was important

2558
03:15:39.079 --> 03:15:45.719
that I was making money doing.
Yeah, time with this catch the character

2559
03:15:46.040 --> 03:15:50.719
and if anyone's looking for UFO podcasts
and you see it, they have a

2560
03:15:50.760 --> 03:15:56.920
perfect five score run away. I
don't want that. You want like a

2561
03:15:56.040 --> 03:16:00.680
four point five. You want to
sit around there, maybe a four point

2562
03:16:00.760 --> 03:16:03.680
six, because you want someone who
is going to throw down and give you

2563
03:16:03.760 --> 03:16:05.639
the real scope. And if you
don't like it, that's okay. These

2564
03:16:05.680 --> 03:16:11.799
guys always do. Alejandro and Martin
always do. Yeah. Well, thank

2565
03:16:11.840 --> 03:16:15.959
you man. Thanks. I just
want to say from the legion of fans

2566
03:16:16.040 --> 03:16:18.239
that you have across the other side
of the world, on behalf of the

2567
03:16:18.760 --> 03:16:22.639
you say that you have got many
Australian fans, and I'd like to say,

2568
03:16:22.719 --> 03:16:26.079
on behalf of your many many Australian
fans, thank you for your effort

2569
03:16:26.200 --> 03:16:33.360
and once again everything that everyone has
said. That a massive achievement. Ten

2570
03:16:33.520 --> 03:16:37.280
years every week. I don't know
how you do it. And you hold

2571
03:16:37.319 --> 03:16:39.959
down a day job on top of
that. That's just miraculous in my turn,

2572
03:16:41.159 --> 03:16:48.040
so for anybody, and amazing level
headed selection of you know, you

2573
03:16:48.200 --> 03:16:56.239
keep out the crazies and the misinformation
largely. I think I think I really

2574
03:16:56.239 --> 03:17:01.079
appreciate the solid guests that you have. I speak on behalf of all Australians.

2575
03:17:01.120 --> 03:17:07.639
You listen to your podcast and the
good quality information that um yeah,

2576
03:17:07.680 --> 03:17:13.559
it pushes more this more into the
open. So yeah, thank you,

2577
03:17:13.719 --> 03:17:18.440
Markins, thank you so much.
A great honor to be here. All

2578
03:17:18.559 --> 03:17:22.399
Right, Okay, everyone, I
think we're gonna we're going to close the

2579
03:17:22.440 --> 03:17:24.879
show. I won't say rapp it, but we're going to close the show.

2580
03:17:24.959 --> 03:17:28.399
I want to hear David say something
sentiment. Yes, David, okay,

2581
03:17:28.319 --> 03:17:35.600
oh wow, thanks wow. I
have to hear you talk. Yet

2582
03:17:39.079 --> 03:17:43.239
it's anything to say on this topic. It's like high school all over again.

2583
03:17:43.280 --> 03:17:46.840
I sat in the back and tried
to be quiet so the teacher wouldn't

2584
03:17:46.840 --> 03:17:52.719
call on me, and here you
called on No. Obviously, I think

2585
03:17:52.799 --> 03:17:58.120
everything's been said this evening, but
you know myself, and with all due

2586
03:17:58.159 --> 03:18:00.639
respect to all the panelists that have
been on to night, I don't think

2587
03:18:00.680 --> 03:18:03.399
any of us are egotistical enough to
think that we're going to solve this UFO

2588
03:18:03.639 --> 03:18:09.280
mystery. But collectively I think we
can gain insights into that. And you

2589
03:18:09.559 --> 03:18:16.639
are a cornerstone of that community because, as has been demonstrated this evening,

2590
03:18:16.840 --> 03:18:20.360
look at all of your friends,
your colleagues that are coming together to pay

2591
03:18:20.399 --> 03:18:26.799
tribute to you, and you've brought
us together and so you know, that's

2592
03:18:26.879 --> 03:18:28.520
nothing but a positive as far as
I can see. And not to get

2593
03:18:28.600 --> 03:18:33.040
too sappy or sentimental, but Martin, you're a good friend both on and

2594
03:18:33.159 --> 03:18:37.079
off camera. You are loved,
You're loved by the entire group here assembled,

2595
03:18:37.319 --> 03:18:41.879
and uh, that's all I can
say. Wow, very moving.

2596
03:18:43.239 --> 03:18:50.399
I think that with an apple.
But all right, everyone, all right,

2597
03:18:50.479 --> 03:18:52.520
I'm gonna be popping you out and
I have to talk about next week.

2598
03:18:52.600 --> 03:18:58.000
But thank you all so much,
Martin. All Right, it's been

2599
03:18:58.079 --> 03:19:01.760
great, Thanks so much. All
right, all right, pop pop pop

2600
03:19:03.000 --> 03:19:05.479
giving him by everyone, by everyone, all right, So that's it for

2601
03:19:05.559 --> 03:19:09.120
our show. Next week we have
Ryan Stacy. We'll be back at the

2602
03:19:09.200 --> 03:19:13.399
regular time. And thanks so much
everyone for hanging in there all this time.

2603
03:19:13.680 --> 03:19:18.760
And remember remember ten more years to
keep your eyes to the sky.