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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome back to the Plan The Apes Retrospective.

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Bow your Heads. I am the
Bowing my Head Tresnell and I'm joined

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by. You've been waiting for that
one, haven't you? Oh yeah,

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since two thousand and one. Baby, I'm the damn dirty or human kirklum

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Patzer. I am the spaceman Taylor
Field. Damn dirty. That's a good

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one, Taylor. You should have
You should have picked something, Michael Clark

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Duncan said, because me and Kirklin
both have that. Yeah, you should

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have, but they dropped the they
I'm pretty sure he says, Oh no,

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it's not him, It's it's the
the other gorillas. He's just a

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spaceman. Yeah. The reason I
chose that we're gonna get into this,

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it's gonna be a spicy, good
one. The reason I chose a Bowing

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my Heads by nickname is so I
when this was the first movie. Fuck

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it. We'll do plugs after because
it's gonna get it. I'll go for

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as good as my overalls. This
is the first movie I ever owned on

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DVD because I remember, for a
small amount of time when it came out,

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it was only on DVD, and
this was the movie that I convinced

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like, I need parents a DVD
player because I need to see planned the

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apes because when I saw us this
kid we've probably before I saw at my

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grandparents they had that trill GVHS the
Star Wars and then they had those apes

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whereas all the five together, So
those were the things I just spam when

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I was at their place. So
Apes was one. And I had to

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go see this with my grandma too, so that was good because she was

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a big APES fan. So we
went to go see it, and you

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know, we'll talk about what I
feel about today and everything, but I

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fuck, I loved it. I
was so hyped. It's definitely like Phantom

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Menace, like it's an air of
that five years, Like this is the

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movie's overly hype. Four could not
believe it. And so eventually my parents

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and I stuff got me a DVD
player and I spammed. I watched all

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the special features so much, and
then they had this thing where it was

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like three trailers and like fifteen t
TV spots. Don't know why I watched

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them all, Like this is what
you do as a kid. You have

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nothing but time, and when the
TV spots. Let's say I'm maybe being

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let's say it's ten to fifteen.
But all the t these spots started,

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it'd be like, you know,
a little logo something, and then it'd

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be bow your heads, and it's
my clerk ducking yelling that out. And

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once I got to the fire or
six time, my dad I remember he

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was in his computer chair and he
turned around. He's like, you're gonna

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have to stop. I can no
longer hear a bow and he was dead

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ass, like parents serious, like
I can't hear bow your heads over and

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over but as a kid, and
it was in the trailers too, so

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but I just kept I guess because
as a kid, he's like, oh,

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I want to see all these different
trailers and TV spots. And it

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was probably the young inspiring filmmaker me. But just my dad for an hour

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is hearing by your heads? I
just watched all I was probably so jazz

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like every time too, like yeah, your heads. I waited until later

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and then I finished watching them,
but yeah, it was a it was

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a good time. But uh yeah. So when I watched the movie,

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I absolutely loved it because the hype
he gone to DVD washed a bunch like

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Taylor's talked about where you said other
certain movies as a kid, you were

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on the internet like just looking for
any details of a sequel or whatnot.

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That it was like to me,
it was this, the Catwoman movie and

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Batman Beyond were the three. I
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of like any details what's going on
and stuff? Catwoman well, because there

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was supposed to be originally they were
making a Michelle Fife for Catwoman after Batman

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Returns, but that turned in How
to Bury One. But that's why I

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was all over it, trying to
be like, oh man, fighters going

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back and did happen? Then we
call what we got a couple of years

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three years after this, So yeah, So I loved the movie back then,

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was a big fan, still big
fan. And then it's very much

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like the Star Wars prequels and other
things in life, where you grow up

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and then you just starting to hear
from everybody else that's not you of like

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how much this movie sucks, and
you're like, oh man, like have

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I been wrong this whole time?
So I went back, I don't know

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when, watched it a long time
ago, and I think that was like,

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ah, yeah, this sucks.
So now I'm coming back two years

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later. We're even a Fantom Menace. At one point I was like,

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oh, I'm done with the Stars
prequels. But now I'm like, oh,

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well, there's Ewan and there's uh
Qui gon Jin, and there's some

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good battles here and good stuff here
on the score. So it's like,

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Okay, I'm not as like,
I'm not that kind of pretentious, like

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I'm not gonna watch this stuff anymore. It's like, if there's something good

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in here, I'll watch. So
this is the first time watching it kind

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of that aspect, and I like, I'll probably sound more like Tama this

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episode. I don't hate this movie. I still enjoy it. Is it

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a good movie? I can't answer
you that I don't know, And maybe

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as we talk about it more throughout
here, I can answer you if it's

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a good movie or a passable movie. Maybe I can't say good movie.

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I think it's a really interesting movie. I think it's fascinating what they choose

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to adapt from the original and what
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tim Burn's a wild choice because you
don't really see much of the Tim burn

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isms in here like it. There's
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like he directed this in my opinion, And there's a trip I have trivia

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enough to do with, Like he
definitely directed this. I think you just

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had a lot to do with the
studio changes and whatnot. But the score

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really really good, like Elfman,
like that opening credits of showing the armor

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and Elfman coming in, Like I
didn't realize it was it was actually him

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until oh yeah, today he was
on fire in the early two thousands.

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This the year after Spider Man,
Like, come on now, So I

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love that. I like, like
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just a carbon copy. A couple
of years earlier, they did Psycho and

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it was just a shot for shot
things, So I like that. It

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is Okay, we're gonna do a
remake, but a little bit something different.

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Reimagining the makeup is fucking on point
now. Granted it's great because we

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did gall and we got Circus and
CGI, so that's work. But like,

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I don't know why, there's still
like a part of me that like

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prefers us a little bit, you
know, Like I love seeing these,

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Like I think this is fantastic make
up all around. If you're making like

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a human monkey hybrid. I don't
know when we do the rankings where he

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will be, but like Tim ross
A that is a general Thad right or

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the general Faide, he might be
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next two? What's what? Oh
man? Yeah, not next to what's

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say? Uh? Well, who
fuck? Who's the guy in the first

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one? Who's the Rangutang? Because
he's really great? Oh fuck? Yeah,

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we'll get to him when we come
back to you know why Obadiah Stain

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just came to my mind. I'm
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him, Susar. But yeah,
tim Roth to me is very much just

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about cow Dannyeffman did the score for
this movie. He's given off very defoe

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two thousand and two Supermen, where
he is just he's going for it.

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So I got raf. The makeup's
fantastic to out, the set design,

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the costumes all look great, the
score is great. I think there's some

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aspects I like the reimagining. Ah, then there's stuff like there's too many

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characters in here. When we talked
about how in the first plan the eighth

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movie, where first half is just
walking and characters looking at stuff. It

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works as you got Charlton Heston,
who's just a charismatic motherfucker. I think

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Mark Wahlberg can be very charismatic,
but this is not the role. And

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I think there's definitely could have been
better Doctor z as right, Yeah,

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so he might be number one.
I have to think about it. But

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this is just not the role for
Mark Rohlberg. I hate this. This

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happened a lot in the early two
thousands. There's two love triangles in this

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movie. Why. I don't know, like that stuff you'd cut out.

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So don't get me wrong. There
is some bad stuff in here. There's

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some head scratching stuff. There is
some c rate straight to DVD quality stuff,

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But overall, I think I still
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worse as the movie goes along.
I'll say that I think it has a

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strong opening, even though Mark Rohlberg
makes some very dumb choices in the first

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act. But I think it has
a strong opening and set up, and

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then it slowly diminishes. But there's
some cool stuff here, and I know

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we'll save it till the very end. But the ending, as a kid,

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one of the most hype things ever. Now it doesn't make sense.

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No, because I also learned something
today about this entire movie for the first

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time that I still know off for
this watch, which I was fascinated about.

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But I'll wait till after. So
I'm in the camp that I'm sorry.

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I think this is a guilty pleasure
for me. I think I enjoyed

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it, and I think it won't
be not won't be long, Like I'm

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not going to be watching this maybe
next year, but I will return to

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a lot quicker than I did the
last time. So, uh, I

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enjoyed it, mister pats Or where
are you with this one one? Obviously?

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When did you see it? As
we lad? Or this is your

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first time? And then what do
you think about now? On twenty twenty

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three on our uh what the fuck
is it? Lead up to Kingdom of

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the Planet of the Apes? We're
getting close. Sorry, you said that

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this was your first DVD that you
owned, like when you got a DV

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player. Yeah, it's funny.
My first DVD was X two, which

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two thousand and three, very similar
era of films. It was X two

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and then Finding Nemo BOTHO. Yeah, No, well I meant apes and

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x That's what I meant. YEA
yeah, hundred percent. It's funny.

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But yeah, wait did you did? Do you remember the like the DVD

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menu for Finding Nemo? Yeah,
it was great when they had heads,

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Oh your head, Nemo, it's
the Sharks. No, it was just

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like the play scene selections. But
it was just like water and it was

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like sat movie like that was our
sound effects. My Auntie would just put

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on all time. We would just
like fall asleep to that ship was fucking

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crack man. That was good.
That was great because like then, like

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those are like the two DVDs that
we had, so we were probably just

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spamming them constantly, so you know, when you're done or you fall asleep

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watching it, it just goes to
that menu. And then it'd be like

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X is pretty loud name memo,
what's this? What's what's the dead?

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Mar Marvin? That sounds right,
Marlin Marlin, it's Marlin. Yeah,

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oh right, everyone's yeah. They
would they say something or whatever, your

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head no, stuff like that.
I think that's why that I as I

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always shut them out Ambience World on
YouTube and they just take like movies and

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they take like the show and like
that was probably the start of it right

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there. But yeah, actually X
two menu, you don't want me fall

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asleep too. The X Men and
menus were always fucking loud, so yeah,

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and then oh my god, the
daredvil one. Have you ever seen

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the Daredevil menu? But I don't
fuck it's like nice and quiet and that's

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like because it will be like Matt
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and I just remember, I think
my dad was also not happy about me

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fall asleep to that one too.
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yes, thanks for the delay.
So for Planet of the Apes,

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I because all these movies were out
already, like when I like the first

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time I saw a Planet of the
Apes was definitely, I would imagine after

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two thousand and one, So I
kind of just this one of the original

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like any of them, like like
way back in the day when my first

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experience watching Planet of the Apes,
it would have been probably after two thousand

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and one because I would have been
like five years old when this came out,

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So I would imagine I was jumping
into those movies when I was older

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than five years old. But who
knows. I do remember though, being

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in the mix whenever i'd watch them. I don't remember like the order that

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I used to do the movies.
Obviously, going through the Red Show with

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you guys, there's a lot of
maybe scenes that I've either really remember or

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really don't remember, So that makes
me think that I rewatched a lot.

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I rewatched more movies in this series
than others, for sure, and this

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was one of the ones that I
definitely rewatched quite a bit because going into

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this the only scene that I remembered
was the very last scene, because I

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feel I felt like the first time
I saw it, it just blew my

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mind. And that also makes me
think that maybe I saw it like this

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one before, like the original Planet
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of like a Planet of the Apes, like jaw drop moment, it's like

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I would always just think of this
one when he finally escapes and then gets

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back he thinks he's on Earth,
and then it's just like a holy shit

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moment. It's like very just ominous
ending too, because you don't see like

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anything that follows up with it.
It's just the cops have him and he's

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just fucked through, like just so
fucked and that's it. Rolls to credits,

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no sequel, no happy ending,
no conclusion. They'll follow up on

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Captain Leo. But yeah, so
that being said, like I although I

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only remember that one scene as I
was watching it and it was going along,

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there was a lot more stuff that
I was remembering. I feel like

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movie, I feel like a lot
of the main like plot points I didn't

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really remember, but the characters for
sure, and just specific moments with certain

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characters. And I feel like that
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some of these characters are, especially
someone like General Fade, Like I remember

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being terrified of that character watching this
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like, shouts out to tim Roth
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he have with his character. He
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like you mentioned just the practical effects
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and I was terrified of them as
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it's it's still scary, but I'm
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much more, especially just comparing it
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like, just yeah, the quality
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like General Fade's armor was so fucking
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it was beautiful, Like this is
the air of that and Lord of the

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Rings. It's like, I know, we have so much great CGI and

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I get why they don't do it
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even if they're actors in their makeup, it's like, there's this apartment

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still prefers it a bit right because
there's not. There's never a moment where

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it's like, oh, Caesar doesn't
look like he's right there, Like it's

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never like a, oh, his
saturation's off of that tree. It's like,

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no, it's a guy in a
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Same thing with the Hobbits for his
Orcs, Like I know you've never

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seen the Hobbits, but it's the
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Hobbits stand out. They look like
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Been Lord of the Rings, they're
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and sure they might every once well
look like, hey, this is clearly

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a mask, but who cares,
you know, no exactly, And it's

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funny because this is also very well. It's like hand in hand with the

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time of the Lord of the Rings
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just totally remind me of like the
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big part of me, the armor, and just just their faces like they're

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they're very like bulky heads, very
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looks great. I also, watching
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paying attention more to the credits than
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I saw that it was Rick Baker
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makeup and costume design. That's the
same like he's He's done so many like

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iconic monster flicks like The wolf Man, and I I the only reason why

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I really know too much about his
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he was on one time, and
it's just, man, he's got He's

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got quite the track history. So
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his name on there, I'm like, oh, it's gonna be looking good,

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and yeah that this one was looking
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I feel like I just don't have
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a lot as a kid, I
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for it because I think this movie
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a kid, if that makes any
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probably because they were just older.
Like the classic ones, they weren't

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as scary for me. You though, they still tackle scarier concepts like this

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is a very dark movie and the
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someone like General Fade, and it's
just an overall like darker movie. It

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just seems like it's almost like Chronicle
of Rittick level of darkness it seems at

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certain times, which probably came out
around this time too, the early two

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thousand era. But yeah, I
don't like dislike this movie, but I

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also don't love it, Like it
definitely is gonna fall into kind of that

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good enough category. It is very
interesting, though, like going through the

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first five movies that we just did
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three to this two thousand and one
jump and just over like the difference on

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how they feel and just what they're
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this one is very distance from I
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it, just because it was like
what thirty years later. So yeah,

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it is just really interesting to compare
the two. But yeah, no,

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I really not the same at all
like that. No, the first five

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are definitely dealing with there's minor aspects
of race in this movie, but this

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movie is the action adventure playing the
apes where the first five are the like

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you know what if we take you
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and flip it and use that as
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that was specifically the biggest one,
right, especially in McDonald's character, even

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like just say that outright talking about
slavery right where this is. There's aspects,

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but they just use this as a
as a gateway for Mark Wolburg to

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run through the forest, you know
absolutely. I was looking up when Triple

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X came out vin Diesel two thousand
and two, and I like, just

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just because of these like early two
thousands vibe of movies, like it just

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seems like they're very like sex oriented
to like tight tight spandex and maybe characters

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wearing in something like X two that
Lord of the Rings doesn't really have that.

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I guess that's the exception, but
like Chronicles of Riddick definitely has that

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as well, and Man in this
one, I feel like they like just

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like the sex meters just cranked right
up compared to those earlier ones. It

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just seems like everybody who just wants
to fuck in this movie, whether it's

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whether it's ape on Man or whatever
it might be, Like I took all

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that's for sure. They are there
on the morbvious method they should have.

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Yeah, that was none of that
was needed in this film. Yeah there's

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a lot of it. There's there's
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So yeah, I think that's my
overall thoughts are I'm I'm really glad that

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we went through this and just this
overall ape Shred show, Like like halfway

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through it's it's been a fun time
just again comparing the two and going through

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the little history of apes. But
I am so excited for Trivia when you're

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when you're talking about it, and
just while I was watching it, I'm

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like, man, I can't I
can't wait to find out kind of the

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ins and outs of the making of
this film and just certain decisions on on

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like his decisions that they make for
certain characters. I think the stat was

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I it might be in Trivia if
not, but like they were working on

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remakes since like nineteen eighty eight,
like that it had been Oh wow,

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there's I have a list of all
the directors at one point that were attached

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to This was a development hell for
almost two decades, like it was,

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which I get is Plan the apes's
a big deal. But yeah, there's

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quite a story and I concluded a
lot, but there's still Like I would

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recommend people, if you get a
chance, go to the Wikipedia page just

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look at the production and just the
beforehand. It's just it's wild how they

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got here. But mister Field,
So my first DVD was Binacle three,

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Web of Shadows. Those five,
I'm gonna forget it. Two or when

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did they come out to one?
I remember DVD players were still they're still

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fairly new. I mean I guess
they were out. I mean obviously since

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two thousand and two. If you
guys got apes and stuff for out that

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time. Well, yeah, the
way, especially just because it came out

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in two thousand and one, like
think about the way movies came out at

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that point, right, Like it
was a lot. It was a lot

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longer like and for some reason,
I feel like Plan the Apes. Let

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me check at the release date,
I'm guessing it was probably a summer movie,

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right, I felt like I got
fuck, just give me a date

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something. Holy fuck man? Okay, so I feel like this came out

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either December or January or something like
it felt like acause you're saying DVD's didn't

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come up til two thousand and two. Taylor, Well, no, I'm

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just I think DVD players probably came
out around that time. Let's see.

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Yeah, I just remember this being
around Christmas, and because I think they

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were a bundle back. So if
you look at that the way movies were,

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that was July, that even seems
too early for me. Like that's

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July, August, September, October, November, December, six months like

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that feels early for that, but
maybe not. DVD players started being available

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in like nineteen ninety six, and
in nineteen ninety nine they were like one

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thousand dollars. Can you fucking really
crazy? I remember it was a big

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deal. That was the Christmas present
I got. It was like a DVD

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player and playing the apes and maybe
like a game from somebody. But but

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yeah, this this movie holds a
special place in my heart and I was

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just this, out of all the
Plant of the Apes films, this is

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the one I was really looking forward
to getting to. I'm not gonna lie.

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It's just got such craziness to it. This is the one that I

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remember before the old og Ones watching
this one with my dad and I just

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remember being absolutely terrified. Fade is
a fucking scary villain. When he goes

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like roars at you unexpectedly, he's
like sniffing your head and all that kind

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of stuff, And that's something that's
kind of like, it's kind of something

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that I've I've kind of adopted into
like my real life. Jesus, what

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does that mean? What does that
means? He just grabs them by the

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mouth. I'm never going to dinner
with you ever again. The poor waiters

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like, oh, there's you.
There's no way you cannot expect us.

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Ask USh when you say you've seen
things about Fade and you've adopted that in

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your real life, is that even? Am I am? I my personal

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life with Madison step sometimes like what
Thede does, like I'll just like lean

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in and she's like Taylor, and
I like, it's a I did that

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with my kid too, because she
just gets like freaking out some of the

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villain then just has his child by
the mouth. I'm not doing that.

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That's fine, just the just like
the whole like animals, my wife.

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My friend just leaping down the stairs. I did. I liked him as

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a child, and I still as
a kid. I use the plant apes

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run from this movie specifically to chase
the kids around. But I feel like

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it's a little more normal than going
around sniffing people. But well, the

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I'm not going around sniffing sniffing people. They're close to me, close to

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me people. Yeah, it's great
honor if I sniff one of you guys,

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some person and just poop, he
smell like shipd cast. But yeah,

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just everything with Fade and just all
the other a The way they move

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like it just blows my mind how
these actors were really getting into that kind

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of groove of just being an ape. Because obviously there's certain there's certain pieces

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of equipment that are helping them move
around and do some of these fucking super

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crazy jumps. But have you watched
Special Features. I haven't watched Special Features.

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Well, they have wires, but
also when they run, they do

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that, but they all it's all
it was fields of treadmills, so they

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would make them a little faster.
Yeah, so it was like all practical.

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Yeah. So so the uh yeah, just the way that they're they're

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jumping around and like like theyde will
just like jump up onto his horse,

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and they just seamlessly pull off a
very well in between like between that ape

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and that human kind of balance of
just the way their movements are. I

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really really appreciate how they landed that
because it totally works for me. But

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all in all, I like that
it's different from the originals. I like

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that I tried to create its own
spin, its own story, and that

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ending is just like a WTF And
is there any proper explanation for it?

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I don't know. My dad always
told me that the way the Storm works,

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like if you go and sniff,
you go in first, then you're

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going to come out in the future, and then if you go in after,

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you're going to come out in the
past. Is some weird thing like

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that, but even that, it's
such a convolute thing, which I'm excited

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to discuss with you guys. But
yeah, it's just this movie just holds

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a special place in my heart.
Hang on, give me that again.

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So if you're first, my dad
said that if you go in first,

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you're going into the you're going into
the past, and then if you're going

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in after, you're going into the
future, I think is what he said.

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Okay, no, no, no
way, way because if you're going

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kind of tracks. But if you're
because like if you look at Pericles,

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he went in first and he came
out into the future, and then yeah

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a couple it's not that far into
the future. No, no, not

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that far. And then if you
go in after, like Mark Wahlberg,

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did you come out in the past, So he came in before Pericles landed,

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and if you look at the end
with Fade, he went in after

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and he came in before Mark landed. But again, it doesn't make sense

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because that's like ages and Ages landed, Aid landed, like hundreds of years.

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Yeah, it just gets very convoluted. Yeah, but yeah, well

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that's like maybe we'll talk about the
ending now. But just because I had

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a question, I did not know. I was preparing trivia and I must

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have missed it this time. I
did not know that this is not Earth.

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I've thought forever. You didn't you
didn't know. No, no,

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not at all. I've missed it
every time. Yeah, really, it's

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a different planet. It's a planet
called airth Acts or something like that,

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and that that's so it's a planet
that's just like Earth that's taken over.

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So I always thought this is why
because in the trivia is reading and almost

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every actor got asked about the ending, and half of them were like,

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oh, I guess kind of makes
sense, and there'd be like Timroff like

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this makes no fucking sense. I
don't know why that been in there,

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but like anyway, so I always
understood it because I was like, Okay,

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clearly what happened was in my mind. You know, they beat Fade

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everything, We're gonna get there that
Mark Wahlberg goes back to Earth, but

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in this time he fucked up and
maybe Theade got out, and then they

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you know, he still took over. So by the time Mark Wahlberg got

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back, it's like, oh shit, they still want I should have stayed

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and helped them out. But no, it is like what Taylor said where

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that's the only I read. I
was looking on read it, and that's

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like the online theory that comes up
the most is Mark Wahlberg left on a

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ship and then I guess right behind
him, Fade got in another ship and

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followed him, which I do not
believe that Fade is just gonna jump in

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this ship after we just saw him
fucking cowering in a corner because like a

406
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,279
gun did he get in? There's
like another ship, another pod. I

407
00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:59,559
can't reme. There's speculation that the
pod that Mark Wahlberg crashed him, that

408
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,680
Thede would have hauled that out,
or maybe the humans because again, all

409
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,000
these humans are technically descendants of the
Space crew, the Auburn crew, right,

410
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:08,960
so then the theory goes that maybe
they were working on working on some

411
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,920
of the tech and trying to get
things going, and if they just caught,

412
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,559
like capture the ship and just flew
off, or maybe there was a

413
00:26:15,599 --> 00:26:21,160
pod still functional in the Auburn because
all the technology was still functioning there right

414
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,319
out of all of them. I
feel like the fact that his broken down

415
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,039
ship was at the bottom of the
ocean or whatever the hell was the l

416
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,119
It's gonna pull it out of himself, just strong arm. And I just

417
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,640
thought they played on the origins a
little bit different, that maybe they went

418
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,680
back to like the caveman type of
air with those monkeys. The monkey killed

419
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,960
the astronauts and then they were the
species you know, like and that's also

420
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,960
what happens. So yeah, I
guess Kirk I both didn't know it,

421
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,680
and I bet there's tons of people. And that's like a change to me

422
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:51,920
that I don't like as much,
which is fine because I just always said,

423
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,039
oh, it's you know, it's
Earth, which I guess I don't

424
00:26:55,079 --> 00:27:00,440
know. It's the same thing with
the the humans talking. They they're they

425
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,880
have they try to have god,
what's her name, Helm Bark character.

426
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,160
It's like Dana, I think,
no, no, I know, no,

427
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,559
yeah, she has more makeup on
than the original Nova, but no,

428
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:17,160
who's the ape or ari? So
there's this portion of the middle where

429
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,119
she's trying to convince people that humans
are smart, like, oh, no,

430
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,880
I wouldn't, that wouldn't be the
case. But the problem this movie

431
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,559
is like a lot of the humans
are just like the apes. They're talking,

432
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,319
they have their thought. So it's
just it's weird that they didn't do

433
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,440
the talking thing, but then they
are like the non talking thing, but

434
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:37,720
still want to pose it as all
these humans are fucking completely dumb. So

435
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,240
it was odd for me, and
that's a change that didn't track for me.

436
00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:42,200
I'm finally gonna make them talk,
but then just don't do a couple

437
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,680
of storylines of oh, you know, they are smarter if you pay attention,

438
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:49,160
It's like, well, yeah,
no shit, they're you have phone

439
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,119
communication with these humans, so and
like just do they have a soul?

440
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,519
It's like, well, fuck,
what's the difference between them and you?

441
00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:03,160
These humans seem entirely normal and they
don't have like some weird neanderthalisms to them

442
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,400
where they're just like really brutish and
like cave people where they're they're very i

443
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,119
don't know, like they're huddled up
in little like groups, like they just

444
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,400
seem like they would be regular people
with with like if they just gave them

445
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,279
the land and the materials, they
would just build up their own little things.

446
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:18,880
So that was that was kind of
a stretch for me, and I

447
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,880
mean I just kind of looked past
it as the movie went on. But

448
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:26,440
uh, wasn't expecting that. I
was expecting more of like the original Apes

449
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:32,079
movies that had humans, where like
they are more of that early and they

450
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,039
should because like none of these human
actors other than Mark Wahlberg, to me,

451
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:37,079
are like they're not that good,
you know, Like I know,

452
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,359
you got the one guy from the
Mummy, so it's nice to see him

453
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,319
again, but just like he's the
bald guy. I remember, he's the

454
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:48,960
he's in the First Mummy. He
works at the library. Oh yeah,

455
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:56,960
father too, right for the Blade
movies, well Whistler not his father,

456
00:28:55,559 --> 00:29:00,960
but I can't remember if he does. But he is one of the more

457
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,680
notable actors. But he dies in
the first act. He does which he

458
00:29:04,079 --> 00:29:07,160
just decides to get some fire and
take on like fifty apes and just Michael

459
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,319
Clark Duncan, who which that ape
is a tank? He kills a lot

460
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:12,519
of people. I remember being scared
that I had a toy of him.

461
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:18,400
I had a toy of Fade Mark
Wahlberg him, the Samurai one, the

462
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,640
guy who was like, you know, Michael Clark Duncan's friend. Then he

463
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,519
just fuck he fucks up in the
battle. And then I just had like

464
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:30,079
a random guitar atar. Yeah I
think you're right. Yeah, And then

465
00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:33,079
I just had the one random red
Guard. But yeah, I had a

466
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,880
couple of toys and stuff. But
yeah, the Michael Clark Duncan character scary,

467
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,759
fucking like I want him to go
against the General. And the fifth

468
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:44,319
one that we just had no bo
Coba or no not Coba. He's coming

469
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:51,200
up. Although all the Michael a
chance I'm a general, please, I'm

470
00:29:51,200 --> 00:30:00,480
a general. We named guns guns
h Yeah, I I feel like part

471
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:04,279
of me because of the ending and
how it looks just like a human society,

472
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:07,519
but with like the apes spin on
it. I always just assumed that

473
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,759
it was Earth, and then in
this viewing, I just kind of was

474
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:14,599
pulling from that same I don't know, I just thought it was a retelliing

475
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,079
of like those original movies, So
I kind of just went with that and

476
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,440
in my like again, something that
was surprising to me on this viewing was

477
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,480
I was expecting to see actually like
old Earth artifacts in this. I thought

478
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,319
that was something that was brought over
from those originals into the remake. But

479
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:32,680
no, I was surprised by it. It was just the the ship that

480
00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:37,440
crashed. Well, what about the
co Where did we get the gun from

481
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,839
from Fades's dad? Well, that
was in the Auburn, right, because

482
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:45,119
the Auburn crash landed right, Okay, that was from them. Okay,

483
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,160
so that was years later, So
that's why they had it. Did you

484
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,240
guys know, did you know who
was playing Sade's father? No? Who

485
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:56,400
was it? Dude? You know, I have no fucking clue. Back

486
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:03,160
again, you see, they can't
make a plan's without men. That's why,

487
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,480
of course they make them say the
fucking them down them all that,

488
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,480
which I hated. Ok, that's
funny. I recognized the line in the

489
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:15,559
moment, but I didn't think it
was him. I liked the damn dirty

490
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:18,160
human line because it's like, oh, that's a fun play on it with

491
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,319
Charlton Heston again doing damn them down
the all home, Like, Okay,

492
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,319
this is a bit much, but
I might be wrong. It's either one

493
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:26,640
of or it is his last roles. It's very close near the end.

494
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:33,119
It's very funny. I was like, this guy so big, it's the

495
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:37,039
biggest hate they have Michael Clark Duncan. But yeah, I did like that

496
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:40,039
they had him back, and that's
kind of fun. There's some fun urban

497
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:41,720
lower you can look into that.
Tim Roth did not want to do the

498
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:47,000
scene with him because they have big
disagreements on gun policies. But Tim Burne

499
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,720
had to talk him down, just
say like it's just for the movie,

500
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,720
just put it aside and stuff.
But he just he said, he put

501
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:56,200
a gun in your hands. It
had a bit a lot to do with

502
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,680
some of that because Tim Roll's very
anti gun and Charlton Hesson was a very

503
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,200
big NRA supporter, and Tim Ross
Lily said, if he knew he was

504
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,640
gonna have to do is see with
Charlton Heston, he would not accepted the

505
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,319
movie. So and if that would
happen, he maybe we would have not

506
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:13,000
got Alan Rickman because he turned down
Snape to go to plan the apes,

507
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:16,400
which is kind of crazy. That's
very So there's a there's a chance that

508
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:21,720
British I feel like, I never
ye, okay, he's like limey British,

509
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:23,759
I think. But yeah, so
Charlton Heston in there making a great

510
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:29,920
cameo. You know, it's a
it's this high father eight but uh yeah,

511
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:36,480
there he was. So his lineage
Fade and his father now they're they're

512
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:42,559
told that they're direct descendants of Simos, and I'm assuming Semos is this child

513
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,640
of Pericles because they allude to that
Pericles was going to be a father because

514
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:52,359
May was pregnant and I'm pretty sure
that was the baby was supposed to be

515
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:58,480
Semo. So Pericles is like an
ancestor of Fade, right, technically,

516
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,680
I guess yes, you want to
break that down because it's just like all

517
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,599
like the only confirmation really get from
that is what's said by like the apes

518
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,319
themselves, so it's you're kind of
just taking their word for it. But

519
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:14,000
yeah, it's like the It's like
with the first one right where they said

520
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:15,400
Caesar about this stuff, but then
when they look into it's like, well

521
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,400
this was a lie, and it's
a lie. And even Michael Clark dunk

522
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,680
what is Michael Clark Dunkin's ape name, I can't remember what it is.

523
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,000
I'm just gonna call him the General
because that's what he is. Well,

524
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:28,960
it says Atar on the cast,
but that's the one the other guy the

525
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,119
other yea, yeah, or maybe
getting the confused. Yeah, but like

526
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,039
even at the end, he's just
like you and your entire family lie to

527
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:37,440
us, right, So it's just
like who knows what else they're lying about?

528
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,599
But yeah, I guess that's Atar. So yeah, so we're saying

529
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,640
they they crashed on a planet that
just has nothing. I'm guessing, right,

530
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,960
like because was there do we even? But there's horses I guess,

531
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,480
So there's just animals, I guess, right, there's no people. Well,

532
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,039
there's people that Earth. Everything that
makes Earth Earth is this, but

533
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,960
it's also not Earth. But there
is people because you're saying, like the

534
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,640
these humans were descendants of the starship
people, but I don't think so they

535
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,159
are. Yeah, there are descendants
of the crew, how because like the

536
00:34:07,199 --> 00:34:12,280
crew got fucking mutilated. I would
say all of them did. No,

537
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,760
we didn't get that confirmed. Those
videos are pretty convincing. I don't know,

538
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,960
just so, so this is what
happens planet with vegetation other animals.

539
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,760
This starship lands because Mark Wahlberg is
a fucking idiot. That's just like we'll

540
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,159
get back to the beginning of how
we get to this situation until he like

541
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:31,920
and he's like, oh, I
screwed. I got the ball killed.

542
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,960
He's like yeah, man, and
for a dumb reason too, just because

543
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,559
he wants to fucking fly in space. Like literally the monkey just went out.

544
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,760
His ship went missing, and he's
like, Oh, it's weird because

545
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,840
he's like, I'm gonna get my
monkey. But then there's other times where

546
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,039
he's like, why are you letting
a monkey do a fucking man's job.

547
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,880
Does he like the monkey? Does
he not like the monkey? I really

548
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,719
don't know, but either way he
goes he does fuck all these people the

549
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,519
ship lands. I took it that
the I don't I guess I haven't really

550
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,480
thought about because I thought it was
Earth, so I thought it was these

551
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:02,400
monkeys land, they take over.
But now if it's not that, if

552
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,519
it's this other planet they land,
and you're saying that, like the apes

553
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:08,440
kill some of them, but some
of the humans get away, and then

554
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:10,519
some of the apes get away,
and then the apes start to learn to

555
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:14,159
talk, and they build a whole
society and everything. Well, I took

556
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:17,320
it as that some of the humans
were working with the apes. The apes

557
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,960
are proving intelligent and doing their own
thing, and then simos kind of organized

558
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,079
things, and they kind of rebelled
against the humans. They were rebelled against

559
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:30,079
the ones that like obviously were fortified
in that ship, that science lady and

560
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:32,519
the other guy, and that other
guy who was the captain in the video.

561
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,440
He looks much much older, So
we know they've been there for a

562
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,079
long time. We know that they
probably would have started having kids, just

563
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:40,639
doing their own thing, and some
of the humans could have left and made

564
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:44,800
their own colony. It sounds like
villages are all over the planet. So

565
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,119
I took it as okay, they've
colonized the planet. At the same time,

566
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:52,519
the apes have kind of been colonizing
the planet and whatnot. So people

567
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,079
have even speculated like if this is
an alien planet where the horses come from.

568
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,800
But there's no designated section of that
spaceship in the Auburn that's saying this

569
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,119
is only monkeys, So people are
speculating that, Okay, this spaceship had

570
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:06,719
other animals that were up there too, like horses and everything. So why

571
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,000
why did why are they bringing horses
to space? I don't know, just

572
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,519
space horses. They're like, well, the monkeys can't fly, We're gonna

573
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,800
try the horses next if they can
do it. It's just like the whole

574
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:23,119
they have an arc essentially they knows
are Yeah. I get it's very convoluted

575
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:27,360
and that that's the stuff I don't
like as far as everything that the past,

576
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,079
the future, the present day and
stuff. But and I don't mind

577
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:32,880
it. I was just saying,
like, why not just make it earth

578
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,639
like? Like what story? Reason
is is? It is making this earth

579
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,159
like worsening the story. I feel
like you could have the exact same story.

580
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,880
Same For years, I thought it
was the same and it worked for

581
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,679
me. Yeah, up until now
I thought that was the case because I

582
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,719
thought the whole thing was like Fade
went back in time and just like kind

583
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:58,840
of changed something in order to make
it so that it's it's apes in like

584
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,159
the human seed. So or like
I said, to be there could still

585
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:05,639
be an uprising because that whole city
they we're in, you're just telling me

586
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:07,519
that they're all just going to turn
a leaf and be like, oh,

587
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:09,440
we love humans now, Like you
could easily have Faded busts out there and

588
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,280
just be like, these fucking apes
are traders, like, don't trust them.

589
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,159
There was a lot of generals,
but like I said, I expect

590
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:21,400
I feel like it not being Earth
makes it more confusing now. But yeah,

591
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,880
the thing too just to switch upon
that ending. Logistically, there's no

592
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,320
way theyde could have done that.
They would have they would have like been

593
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,840
like, holy shit, what's going
on? But just like the genetically speaking,

594
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,079
that means all of those apes would
have to be like offspring of Fade

595
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,559
because he's the only intelligent and to
his zoo and just started populating. He

596
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:45,320
was just that fucking orgy everywhere.
So he went he went back to the

597
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,199
not even Lincoln time, before Lincoln
time, He found monkeys, got them

598
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,559
all pregnant, got them talking.
Then took over, like he had a

599
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,719
long game plan. Then yeah,
and then those monkeys would have to sleep

600
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,360
with other monkeys. But like,
yeah, those monkeys that are semi half

601
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,000
intelligent, I guess half breeds you
could call him, would have to sleep

602
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:06,039
with other half breeds. But then
the gene pool will be kind of diluted,

603
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,119
I guess a little bit. Uh, but maybe I don't know.

604
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:12,000
I don't know how that would work. It'd be tricky, like they would

605
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,000
all have to breed with other non
genetically related monkeys with themselves, but then

606
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:21,360
you have gorillas having sex with the
orangutangs, and then that's creating offsprings too.

607
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,360
But like, I don't know if
you can really have the two breed

608
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:28,400
unless, of course, like in
the movie, we do see like an

609
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:34,880
ape and a orangutang just fucking getting
it on, right. So I remember

610
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,920
seeing that as a kid, being
Yes, it's a little much, a

611
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,239
little much for me right there.
Just imagine the word of that scene.

612
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:45,840
It's just like, what the fuck
are we getting here? Oh my gosh,

613
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:49,360
imagine you know this guy. I
mean, it's only been a couple

614
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,639
of days, but even all just
ran out for like a week, you

615
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:53,159
know, you and fight this dude. You beat them, and then you

616
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:57,840
get back to Earth and there's a
fucking like that is the perfect long calm

617
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,760
though like as ending Thad, he
isn't no what's gonna happen, but and

618
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,519
he's dead at this point, but
so he comes back, he fucks over

619
00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:09,519
Earth and then just decades decades later, Leo lands and seas and they'd somewhere

620
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:14,199
just smiling and monkey hell like,
ah, he finally got here, motherfucker.

621
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,000
And you're like, you beat this
guy and now he's like Abraham Lincoln,

622
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:21,320
but your enemy. What a twist? You know? That must suck?

623
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:24,519
Like are all humans extinct in this
world? Do you think? No?

624
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,599
I don't think so. I think
they're probably the same thing as like

625
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,400
their versu plan the Apes five con
or four Conquest, but it's like the

626
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,880
Apes are humans and the humans are
apes, where they're like the maids and

627
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,280
servants and stuff. Do you think
I feel like the Apes would treat this

628
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:44,679
situation very differently because the spaceship is
there, they can see it, and

629
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,760
then there is Mark Wahlbrok's characters.
I feel like they would He's still humans,

630
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,719
so they would have that disrespect towards
him, but I feel at the

631
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,840
same time they'd be like, Okay, this is this is very weird.

632
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:02,239
My only my only uh. I
guess big concern for Mark, marky Mark

633
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,079
in that moment is like because theyde
was there kind of Abraham Lincoln, like

634
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:13,039
he probably made it like very ingrained
in Ape society that like there is no

635
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,239
good human. So maybe that's like
just translated to where they are now.

636
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:21,079
So they're just like the enemy eyes
landed. If you see this man,

637
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:24,920
you fucking kill him. Whatever.
Decade, like every police department in the

638
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,519
world has a picture of Mark Wahlberg
just like if you see him. I

639
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:31,360
think it would be like Apes,
so where there's probably some humans around and

640
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:36,199
maybe they got trained that all humans
are bad. But like you said,

641
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,840
he if one comes from the Cross
Sky, they're gonna ask questions. Like

642
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,760
it's like there's gonna be and there
would be some sort of oh, I

643
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,360
don't know, because I guess there
wouldn't be right because they somehow went back

644
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:54,159
like past like NASA and like you
went to Abraham Lincoln's there. I want

645
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:58,320
that movie. I want to know
what happened. I want the prequel of

646
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,920
Fade Tim Roff get them back in
the makeup and see how he did his

647
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:07,840
slow takeover and stuff. But yeah, I try to get that movie going

648
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,960
right now. Yeah, I appreciate
it's like the first one where it's like

649
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,320
it is a twist ending and it's
kind of like their verse of like,

650
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,199
oh, we're here all along,
and it's like, oh, well we

651
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,400
went to they came to us and
stuff, so it's almost like them starting

652
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,800
it again, but instead the apes
destroying the earth, they just took over

653
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,400
and their you know, cops and
living life and everything. So I like

654
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,400
that we'll get into more that was
actually original ending the book, I guess

655
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:36,239
where he goes back to Earth and
it is overrun by monkeys, but it's

656
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:42,280
their verse where where he left,
like Zira and Cornelius, that evolution just

657
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,480
kept going and they eventually got to
where humans were in the world, where

658
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:47,880
like electricity and everything, but just
the monkeys doing that instead of the whole

659
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,920
like doctor Zayce didn't jump in a
ship behind Taylor and like land before him

660
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,079
and like become Abraham Lincoln, you
know, which is also just very on

661
00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:00,039
the nose too, like Abraham like
abrahamlet like just said I didn't even know.

662
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:04,920
I just like, I just feel
like, have we not heard that

663
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,159
joke before? Like Abraham Lincoln?
Like, I just feel like I don't

664
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:12,519
know know we heard something similar in
what was that Battle for the Planet of

665
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:15,639
the Apes where it was like ape
shall not kill Abe. He's like,

666
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,239
oh, you just spelled ape and
then like, no, I didn't.

667
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,239
Cornelius is like, no, I
didn't know Cornelius. I think his name

668
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:28,960
is Cornelius. Uh one, Cornelius. No. In the in the battle

669
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,800
the last one we did, teacher's
name was ab Yeah, like ape shall

670
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,599
not kill Abe. So that's probably
what you're thinking of. It was such

671
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:40,360
a dummy although what No, what
was I thinking of? What do you

672
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,039
mean by what I was thinking of? Ape? Graham Lincoln? Abe?

673
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:49,519
No, that's what I was thinking
of. Yes's let's move on. What

674
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,559
do you think about Bark Wohlberg?
Here? Like I said, we start,

675
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,119
they're just in space doing missions.
They revealed there's a monkey. There's

676
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:58,519
a couple of tests. He had
some bad CGI here and there, but

677
00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:00,320
you know it's all right. And
like I said, they go to a

678
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,719
storm and they send the monkey out. Ah. But yeah, we get

679
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,199
introduced to we've made a few other
human characters, but it's really about him,

680
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,320
and he's just really peeved that he
doesn't get to be in the sky

681
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:15,480
and stuff. Yeah, Marky Mark
was one of the one one of the

682
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:19,559
aspects of this movie that I just
really didn't remember. I probably didn't know

683
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,039
who he was at the time when
I saw this, so like it's just

684
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,920
generic white dude lead and and that's
who it is. And so coming into

685
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:30,599
it knowing that it was him,
I was expecting heavy Boston accent and just

686
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:32,559
like the sass. I guess that, uh you know, like I just

687
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:37,840
watched The Departed not too long ago, so like that sort of Mark Wahlberg.

688
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,480
Uh, actually, like which is
great, I love him in that

689
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:44,239
movie, But like I was expecting
that like real Boston cop type attitude in

690
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,920
this movie. Yes, maybe it
was, I will say, like I

691
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,280
was actually kind of pleasantly surprised that
I didn't get that, Like it seemed

692
00:43:52,320 --> 00:44:00,280
like he was going for I gues's
just the generic like space guy actually a

693
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,599
character right to know? Yeah,
doubt right, It's like the action hero,

694
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,599
but just someone like Mark Wahlberg.
I feel like now every time I

695
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:09,840
see him, I'm expecting like the
same character that he is in every single

696
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,199
movie, and this one felt a
little bit different. Maybe it is just

697
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:19,800
because it's earlier in his career two
thousand and one, but yeah, like

698
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,360
I don't know he fit the role. It's not not very like a deep

699
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,039
character by any means. He doesn't
go through like a lot of growth.

700
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:29,519
It just seems like the story is
kind of happening around him and he's the

701
00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:31,440
one that's taking us along on this
journey. And it was good enough for

702
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,599
me. It wasn't my favorite aspect
of the movie, but definitely not my

703
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,320
least favorite. Yeah, like I
said, there's not much to him,

704
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:43,880
but that's where I said, you, I wish they would have got somewhat

705
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,320
like Charles Medson's an Academy Award winner
and he's a very distinct personality. I

706
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,800
wish they got someone like that.
And I got some people in here that

707
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,840
they are looking at. Some are
good and some are bad. Like that.

708
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,239
There's one in one of the older
movies was like Harrison ford I was

709
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,559
like, fuck, that's perfect Harrison
ford Man, that like and that would

710
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:05,239
have been good. So, like, I guess it's two thousands, so

711
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,480
almost like we were talking about with
Triple X and all this stuff, like

712
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:10,480
the leads were different at that point, but yeah, there's no He's just

713
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:14,360
a guy that just wants to get
back home, even even at the end,

714
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:19,039
like like they keep trying to force
us he's the hero thing. But

715
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:21,440
when he gets the choice, like
in every movie, I feel like when

716
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,760
you do this choice of oh there's
a community that thinks you're hero, not

717
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,920
the hero, and then you do
a big battle. Then the end when

718
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,639
they're like you could go home,
and he's like, but I'm gonna stay

719
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:31,320
with you. But this is their
verse where like you could, you could

720
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:36,679
stay, and he's like, now
I'm gonna go. He's still no matter

721
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:38,000
what, he wants to get the
fuck out of here, Like even she's

722
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,920
just like you, like you don't
have to go, you could stay.

723
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,760
He's like, oh, this might
be my only chance, but it just

724
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,639
still that means like that means he's
never coming back. So it's just it's

725
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:51,159
a weird hero arc that way,
because we always see the opposite wave where

726
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:53,559
they choose to stay here they find
something, But no, he just leaves

727
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:57,880
with like a woman lady and an
ape lady ready to fuck him at any

728
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,079
moment. Which we'll get into at
some point. But yeah, he's not

729
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,039
bad per se. It's just that
the character's not interesting and he's just being

730
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:08,400
an action star guy. So there's
just nothing there. I think there's some

731
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,559
stuff. I like him seeing his
friends with that barbecue. I like when

732
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:15,800
they're like that you've been gone for
like two hundred days or something like or

733
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,199
it was two thousand or something like
multiple years. So I liked that aspect.

734
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,119
I liked some of the quickpiness.
Like I said, I didn't buy

735
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,239
the stuff he had with the monkey
because I felt like they couldn't pick a

736
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,159
lane if he was a mad astronaut
or he was really concerned for his monkey.

737
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:32,239
Uh so it's a dumb reason how
he got there. But yeah,

738
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,239
the rest of the movie, he's
just kind of he just got around.

739
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,440
He's just our guy to get us
through there, and you want to see

740
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,760
him survive because he's not a bad
monkey. Right. So something else that

741
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,639
I felt like, I mean,
just us discussing it now made me think

742
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:50,800
more about it, is like they
don't really give him a set, like

743
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,559
I guess motivation, Like he's not
like Charlton Heston where he's so done with

744
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:59,599
humanity, like like he you know, like fuck him, like they don't

745
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:02,800
deserve to live. But he's also
not so much like I really like I

746
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,519
have a big fit, Like I
have a family on Earth and I have

747
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:08,199
to get back to. Like it
just seems like somewhere in this limbo period

748
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,960
doesn't seem like he has any like
things tying him down that he has to

749
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,760
get back to. But but he's
also still kind of loyal to just the

750
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,800
military, like he's just like a
standard military guy. That's just I'm a

751
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,280
US Air Air Force pilot and I
got to go back to get my orders

752
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,039
from my from my captain. Like
it's just it's kind of lazy in that

753
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,400
sense because I feel like you can't
have a lot of weight in the decision

754
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,079
by the end, because it's like, yeah, he can choose his own

755
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:36,840
adventure. It doesn't really matter,
Like there's nothing really tie him, tying

756
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,719
him in any direction. So I
think any decision that he makes in that

757
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:45,679
moment isn't too surprising. But yeah, just a safe character. I guess

758
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:51,559
why'd you love him? I mean
he just he feels like that classic two

759
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:57,360
thousands just actually typical guy, right, So he does does he have much

760
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,679
motivations. No, not really,
aside from what you said, Kirkland,

761
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:05,000
He's just he's a military guy and
his dude, he's just to kind of

762
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,960
get back to base. I don't
blame him. I mean, the only

763
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:14,079
real motivation he needs to get out
of here is the fact that humans are

764
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,360
a minority and these there's apes just
walking around that hate human. Yeah,

765
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:21,719
but it's turning the corner though,
right after this war, you know,

766
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,639
after the war. Yeah, but
I think he now, if Pericle has

767
00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:29,800
never showed up, it would have
been a very different outcome. Oh yeah,

768
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,519
because he he he thought that his
his crew, the Aubron was here

769
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,719
to save him. And he gets
there and he realizes that everything is not

770
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,800
the way it seems, and so
I think the part of him was probably

771
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,280
ready to accept that he was going
to be there and stay there. But

772
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,280
then obviously Pericles lands he took way
too long to accept that. Like I

773
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,280
feel like he saw the ship and
was still looking around hoping. He's like,

774
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,960
hello, like, man, look
at this ship like this, there's

775
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:02,840
no one fucking in. There're all
gone, dude, Like uh yeah,

776
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,760
he went on for a good minute. It's like fucking eroded like it's not

777
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,039
even like it's just broke it down. Father time is taking this ship.

778
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,159
But yeah, I'm just I don't
know. He could have he could have

779
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:23,760
stuck around and he could have celebrated
the victory, celebrated with both ape and

780
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,159
he's quick female. He didn't want
to get his dick wet by the ape

781
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:31,800
monkey, the ape lady or the
like. He he could have three way,

782
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,440
he could add them both, but
he was he was just united both

783
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:42,039
species exactly. He could be Remember
how we read about five and the original

784
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:45,480
planet apes or two that they ken't
want to get to that human mutated ape

785
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,159
baby. They almost had it here
again, you know, like they could

786
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:53,679
have had it. So the one
girl, she's Brin's the Ascarlett Johansson.

787
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:59,599
Yeah, definitely so she that was
She was definitely a girl that I think

788
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:01,639
they were trying to make something because
I feel like I know she was in

789
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:07,000
this, She was in kangaroo Jack
and she was in something else. Yeah,

790
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:09,719
that movie pissed me off because I
thought that the kangaro talk the whole

791
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,800
time. I know it was just
a fucking dream sequence. Such a piss

792
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,639
off man, Fuck that movie,
assholes. But yeah, they were definitely

793
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:20,199
trying to make her into something.
And that's what I was gonna say,

794
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,719
Like all these human people, there's
way too many of them like that.

795
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,199
With the first one, it's Charlton
Heston and Nova and Nova doesn't fucking speak,

796
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,079
so it's just Charlton Heston, her
brother, her dad, a couple

797
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:35,960
other characters. I didn't care for
really any of these, and I guess

798
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,840
I guess it was fine because they
were leading up to We're gonna do a

799
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,480
war, But I still don't know
if you need that many because then you

800
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:46,920
still have like the four other apes
too, Like there's a lot going on.

801
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,719
So the supporting human characters, I
really have nothing to say. They

802
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,320
were just there to move the the
action forward and just to show like monkeys

803
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,239
being bad, like they're you know, branding them and stuff. But you

804
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,719
guys, are anything to say on
the any of our human companions. The

805
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,480
love interest, which I thought there
was like zero chemistry, like just like

806
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:08,280
you just wanted to fuck that's that's
yeah. She's been in a cage with

807
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,519
her brother and her dad for years, so she's just like any any guy

808
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,920
that's not blood related. It's like, thank god, you know, I'm

809
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,480
not insinuating she's fucking those two.
By the way, I'm saying, like,

810
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,960
cousin Mark Wahlberg, she has someone
too fuck before if someone twists that,

811
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:27,920
we were fucking way al right.
The younger brother, I just felt

812
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,800
like he just kind of got in
the way. He was just they should

813
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,760
have killed him. He was super
he was super into Mark Walberg's character.

814
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,079
But then he rides out on the
horse and he falls and gets pinned under

815
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:42,559
the horse and you just see like
the first wave of apes just like on

816
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:46,159
all fours coming to you, like
that's fucking terrifying. But Mark Mark Wahlberg

817
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,320
is running on foot to save him. All the other people of the horses

818
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,719
are like the fuck out here.
Like at one point even his sister looks

819
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,960
back in season run, does she
go around turn her horse around? No,

820
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,559
She's like, well, I guess
my brother's a goner. You know,

821
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:07,199
Uh yeah. I didn't care for
like pretty much any of these humans.

822
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:09,920
I think they could have been,
Like, it's fine having them in

823
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:15,639
the movie as just like just fucking
chop liver for the apes, like the

824
00:52:15,159 --> 00:52:20,320
bottom barrel of society it is.
I feel like it's interesting to have them

825
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,159
in there for the story, but
the fact that they wanted to have them

826
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:29,480
on the crew but also just like
be nothing. Even though they could speak

827
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:34,079
and like could formulate ideas, it
just seemed like it was a weapon or

828
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,800
not really a weapon. It was
a tool that they had, but they

829
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,400
didn't really use it properly in my
opinion at all. And yeah, Dana,

830
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,760
I think was the character's name of
the blonde lady, And I like,

831
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,599
just what a waste, like like
they don't even really do the nova

832
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:53,840
thing of having somewhere to like pair
up with with with our surviving astronaut astronauts

833
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:58,400
space man. It just I don't
know, it's almost again like they needed

834
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,320
a check box of a character like
that that was in the original tap in

835
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,119
here, and they I guess checked
it, but it was lazy in my

836
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:08,440
opinion, and they just didn't really
provide too much of the overall plot.

837
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:13,679
So I definitely could have been fine
without them, like amongst our our main

838
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,440
crew at least, yeah, because
I guess, like honestly, you could

839
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,559
have just made it a couple of
them, or you could have just made

840
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,079
it him and Helm bought a carter, which like, yeah, I didn't

841
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:30,360
you have you have her because what's
her name again? What the fuck is

842
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,639
her? Apes? Gonna forget?
Ari? Ari and the non scarred Johnson,

843
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,920
they both have scenes where it's just
literally Mark Wohlberg's talking to one of

844
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,639
them, and then the other one's
off in the distance watching them longingly,

845
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,599
and she's like, what are we? What are we doing here? We

846
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:47,119
didn't need Ari to have like from
moment one he had. He has in

847
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:51,639
a choke hold and he has the
branding thing and he's threatening to kill Ari.

848
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:52,960
Of course he's not getting interested to
get out of there, but she's

849
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:58,320
like holding on his hand and sniffing
him like Fade stole his hand as he

850
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,199
as he has a fucking brandy tool
to her face. It's like the secondary

851
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:05,400
It's like, what now I understand
why people think she's the fucking human freak.

852
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,039
You know, it's like day one. She wants to get on Like,

853
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,840
yeah, I didn't like I know, Hessen kissed an ape in the

854
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,000
first movie. That was just like
a goodbye, like thanks for help.

855
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:17,760
This was like a romantic kiss and
didn't like that. And I'm I guess

856
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:21,599
I would have been all right with
the Fade and Ri stuff. I had

857
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:25,000
to take it, but I didn't
need I wish what happened there was because

858
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:28,719
you never get the sense that she's
into him at all. It's just always

859
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,039
like it's a one street thing.
I wish they were a couple and they

860
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:35,079
were on different sides, and this
was like the breakup because especially at the

861
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:37,599
end the whole movie, he's just
a piece of shit. She's always denying

862
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:42,360
him. She goes to the camp
for what I'm not really sure because he

863
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,280
says, oh, you're gonna trade
yourself up for the humans, but if

864
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,559
you I rewound. She never once
says that to him. She never once

865
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,440
says that to Mark Wohlberg, because
Mark Wolbourg sees her hand and she's like,

866
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,360
yeah, I guess I can't go
home now. She never once says

867
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,440
any character that she's there to trade
up for the humans. We're just told

868
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,199
this and maybe some fucking adr that's
trying to make sense at all. But

869
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,280
then Thede brands her, and then
when he gets locked up, he like

870
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,480
goes to the glass and does like
the oh, like like he's given her

871
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:12,559
fuck me eyes. But it's like, why would anybody believe she's gonna open

872
00:55:12,679 --> 00:55:15,519
the door, Like that's why I
wish they actually were some sort of couple

873
00:55:15,559 --> 00:55:20,760
before and these politics broke them apart. But uh so that's not great either.

874
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,199
Like I guess, I guess I
really would have dropped all the love

875
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,840
stuff from everything, from the humans, from the human apes, from Fade

876
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,519
and her. No, just get
rid of that all because none of it

877
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:35,960
worked and it just felt off and
cheesy at times. Yeah, didn't need

878
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,480
to be in there at all.
No, I agree, Uh yeah,

879
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:43,079
Tim Roff, I'm talking about the
opening, but yeah, I loved him.

880
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:46,320
What I love about the character is
he is like this fucking crazy psychopath.

881
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,719
He is like the top general.
He's after stuff. He's like erratic,

882
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,119
he's unpredictable. But then he's like
a scared man slash ape child,

883
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:59,800
where Like there's so many times where
if he gets embarrassed or you've shown like

884
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:01,639
he's when he shoots the gun,
he's like scared. Right at the end,

885
00:56:01,679 --> 00:56:06,400
when he's shaking, he's scared.
He's so I just feel like he's

886
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,679
he's definitely tough, he's definitely scary, but I feel like he's even more

887
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:13,639
so just trying to protrude that out
to everybody to not fuck with him.

888
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:15,800
And then if you do, you're
gonna find out that he's not as strong

889
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,320
as he's putting out there. And
I really like that that he has this

890
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:24,840
complex on the outside to just seem
like such this strong, unbreakable force,

891
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,559
but really he's pretty fragile, and
he's more fragile mine than a lot of

892
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:36,440
the other apes I feel. But
he's just like he's just very cunning.

893
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,079
So that's where it's like, Okay, you can't trust him. He could

894
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:42,039
just kill you it anymore like those
poor apes doing a good job, or

895
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,280
those gorilla is doing a good job
something crash Land the fucking jungle, Like,

896
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,039
hey man, come on here,
let's show you. He just fucking

897
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,760
destroys them, you know, just
destroys them. So no, I agree.

898
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,440
I think it makes him a lot
more interesting, the fact that he's

899
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:01,000
not just like a big, hulking
gorilla man that like no one can even

900
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,239
like physically impose on him. Like
he's small, he's very hunched over,

901
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,000
he's got a terrifying face, and
he definitely exudes that uh, just that

902
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:15,079
menace. But like there's bigger there's
bigger cats, you know in the armory

903
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:21,519
that that could definitely out physical him. But he definitely is just portraying that

904
00:57:21,519 --> 00:57:24,440
that don't fuck with me attitude.
But I like that by the end he

905
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:30,960
is like shivering in the corner,
shivering whimpering. I guess it doesn't look

906
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,679
cold, whimpering in the corner,
And and just many moments when he like

907
00:57:36,199 --> 00:57:39,239
he kind of maybe maybe he's showing
h like the lack of knowledge, so

908
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,760
therefore he's scared of certain things and
is not willing to to accept any of

909
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:45,920
those things. So like he just
I don't know, he made he made

910
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:51,639
for a really good villain. I
do remember the character obviously, just he

911
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,679
was he was so terrifying from back
in the day, but I didn't really

912
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,840
just know that the depth of the
character, the whole love thing with ari

913
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,559
uh and him him like the line
he's like, you're obsessed with the humans,

914
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:07,599
but you reject me, and he's
just like he's like this just man,

915
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:12,320
Like, I didn't need that at
all, but you kind of already

916
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,960
spoke to that, So I definitely
agree through there. And uh, just

917
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,800
Tim Roth's performance man like, yeah, man, I love Tim Roth.

918
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:22,079
He's fantastic. Yeah, even too
when they leave and Michael Clerk Duncan's like

919
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:23,880
she left with the humans, and
he's like, that couldn't be she left

920
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:30,360
willingly. They must have took her
against her will. It's just so like

921
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:35,639
it's black and white. This is
in the situation. Yeah. Another point

922
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:37,679
to him like whimper, which is
fine because like I get it because his

923
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,880
dad passed away. But I like
that. They're like he's he's curled up

924
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,880
with the gun. He's whimpering because
his dad has passed away. It's done,

925
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,239
just like I have the gun.
And he's like he's fucking like I'm

926
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:49,480
gonna go out there and like I'll
bend you father. He's like sad.

927
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:52,519
He feels like a little alone because
it does feel that he has lined to

928
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:55,960
everybody. Like with Michael Clark Duncan's
character, he tells him he's his friend

929
00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:00,159
just to like I think, just
to like have him closer. I don't

930
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:01,280
think they're actually friends, you know. I think he's just saying that.

931
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,480
But it actually felt like him and
his dad had a real inner circle.

932
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:07,360
They could actually trust each other.
So once he's gone, I feel like

933
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,920
they it feels like he's pretty lonely
in that sense, but he's just gonna

934
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,519
do it by fear and everything.
And he knows these lies as well,

935
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:19,920
so I do appreciate that he has
to. He tries to assassinate the Pericles

936
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,079
or where the fucking monkey is,
Like the second he season, he just

937
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:27,760
zeros in on him and just like
so there's a moment too that Pericles lands

938
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,119
and that stops the war because they
all like you know, get on their

939
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:30,960
knees, like, oh my god, this is our God. Right,

940
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,760
It's like if Jesus wants to get
resurrected, comes from spaceship, there's a

941
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:43,440
UFO meet my new friends, joh
but with Pericles. He gets and they

942
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,880
walk up and he's going to teach
these apes about the evolution, okay,

943
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,880
And there's a moment then he starts
to reach into his bag. Was I

944
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:52,960
wrong that he was reaching for a
gun? Like what was he reaching for?

945
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:57,800
He's definitely grabbing the gun. So
he's reaching for the gun and then

946
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,280
Pericles runs away. He runs into
the Pericles and Tim rolfrunds after a big

947
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,280
fight. Right, but like,
what was his plan? Was his plan

948
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,559
just to take out the gun and
start murdering all the apes, because I

949
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:09,639
think that's what it was. And
what was Apparently he's gonna do in this

950
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:15,119
situation if he sees his owner slash
friend just shooting down all these monkeys from

951
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:17,840
like what was his plan because he
was grabbing the gun, So yeah,

952
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,079
my my thought would and I don't
know if this is right, but in

953
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:27,280
a way to defend that scene,
I think it's just to have that like

954
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,960
that one up if it comes to
it, like maybe keep in his back

955
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,760
pocket. If they doesn't want to
accept the peace treaty, just fucking cap

956
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,280
them right there, I guess.
But like even then if he just marks

957
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,719
fade with a gun, like what
does the other apes think in that moment?

958
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:45,000
Like I guess piece isn't an option, like you just murdered our general,

959
01:00:45,039 --> 01:00:47,960
But I don't know. It is
a weird moment. And that gun

960
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,800
ain't big enough to kill mall.
You know, you can definitely kill a

961
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,440
couple, but they're eventually gonna outnumber
you and stuff, So which sucked.

962
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,159
They had that gun to be in
the movie, but then the uh that

963
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,000
one gorilla broke it, so that
could gave him a big event. She

964
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:04,840
might still be alive if he didn't
break that gun. Yeah, didn't want

965
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,400
to use it against me, Yeah, but cool showdown. I like that

966
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:13,039
where they just classic movie find each
other and more they're both kicking people's ass

967
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:15,480
and Monoemno, I would like to
go on a little longer. But that's

968
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,000
a sea that I remember sticking with
me because this is just very violent that

969
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,760
he just fucking just in caves his
chest and the murders him and this guy

970
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,639
that he considers used to be his
friend. It's like, yeah, Jesus

971
01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:28,679
fuck, it was dark. No. I really liked that little It's like

972
01:01:28,679 --> 01:01:31,559
a samurai showdown where they you know, they take off their weapons and just

973
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,599
go mono amano. And I agree
it should have gone longer. I was

974
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:40,199
I did not remember Buddy just getting
murked by by atar. I guess his

975
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,440
name is Michael Clark Duncan's character.
And it's funny too. How like,

976
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,559
probably ten minutes after that moment,
Michael Clark Duncan is just like one of

977
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:52,239
the homies and he's like he's like
standing over as they're like burying that guy.

978
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,199
It's just like this whole thing could
have been avoided. He's giving Yeah,

979
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,480
he's giving a whole speech like we
will mark the graves well more in

980
01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:06,000
all them human and ages. But
it's just like yeah, it never that's

981
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,039
where it's like, take all the
love stuff and give me stuff throughout the

982
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:13,760
movie of his character maybe second thinging
that's like maybe thinking we're going too hard,

983
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:17,199
maybe he's suspecting fades lying, but
no, it's just literally like if

984
01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:21,880
this monkey didn't come from the sky, he was still down just to eradicate

985
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,440
the human race and get rid of
that population. And for that reason,

986
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,400
he seems like a bit of a
dumb character. I think there's a lot

987
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:34,239
of potential to even just have him
second guessing the loyalty of like that other

988
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,960
character that that he murdered. Don't
remember his name, but like, like

989
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,599
that could just be an interesting dynamic
because it is said very quickly that they

990
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,920
were friends and the other guy was
kind of the I guess the general of

991
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:52,400
the army in that sense. But
yeah, we wasted it on some weird

992
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:59,440
orgy scenes. Not actually but almost
any thoughts on I mean, as I

993
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,400
said before, or he just he
terrified me. He was the way he's

994
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:07,480
moving and yeah, sniffing in his
mannerisms and whatnot, just absolutely scary.

995
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,599
And that's something that'll always stick with
me as a kid having seen him in

996
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:16,280
just all that pure terror and horror
and whatnot. But yeah, he's he's

997
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:21,320
an interesting character. I liked the
dynamic he had with his father, and

998
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,599
I liked that his father had that
moment with him where he passed on information

999
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:29,960
about what humans are capable of and
all that jazz. Just his his hatred

1000
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:37,599
for for humans is just crazy.
But yeah, he's just alluded to earlier

1001
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:44,239
on where I think it was who
was it was it Atar's former general,

1002
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:50,119
the guy I think that they'd kind
of kicked out of the military. Someone

1003
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:53,239
You've named them incorrectly because Atar is
Michael Clark Duncan, right. Yeah,

1004
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,440
yeah, so I mean I mean
like his his general, like his former

1005
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,920
general, because that guy that other
girl used to be his his boss sort

1006
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,360
of speak. So there was someone
I can't remember who it was that said

1007
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,199
this line to Mark Wahlberg's character that
Thede will just keep coming for you,

1008
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:14,280
He'll never stop, and that that
holds true. It goes to other planets

1009
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,840
to follow you. But Krawl,
yeah, he will go to other planets

1010
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,079
and just he'll have a two hundred
year game plan. Krawl was the name

1011
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:27,320
of the nice old general k r
U l L, which I liked he's

1012
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,639
like a I like this kind of
almost silent, almost Ronan type of character.

1013
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:35,039
I'm not saying it just because of
the nationality actor, but just like

1014
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:38,159
that's what I felt like they gave. And there's many times he was just

1015
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:43,039
like off the side where the crew
was hanging out or sleeping or going camping

1016
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:45,119
or not just have a campfire,
not going camping, but he would just

1017
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:48,280
be off in the side, just
like staring down taking looks. I liked.

1018
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:50,960
I liked him, and it was
shame he didn't make it to the

1019
01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:57,719
New fucking Human Ape Revolution and everything, so because he would have been like

1020
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,400
an early adopter of that. He
like he was definitely going with the flow,

1021
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,679
helping like staying loyal to Ari of
course, and helping out the humans.

1022
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:09,960
Near the end, he's just buried
in some unmarked grave. The other

1023
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,360
thing too, with Fade, and
I think you guys already mentioned this,

1024
01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:16,400
just the absolute terror whim those two
guards, you guys said, we're doing

1025
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,039
the right thing. Going to get
Fade and show him the wreckage. Faid

1026
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:26,559
goes there and like he like touches
both their chests as he walks behind them,

1027
01:05:26,599 --> 01:05:30,159
and then he pulls out his little
fucking blades, and he just like

1028
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:32,440
screams and like jumps thirty feet in
the air and just is like ah,

1029
01:05:33,079 --> 01:05:36,679
just fucking pounding them in his chest
in their chests. Just absolutely terrifying.

1030
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:42,360
Shit his tact technique, man,
when he just screeches and leaps from like

1031
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,119
twenty feet away. That's bold,
but also not the way you want to

1032
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:48,599
go out too. You turn around
and just see Fade and the s guy

1033
01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:53,679
yelling at you, screeching that you'll
just be petrified, so you'll you'll lose,

1034
01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:56,599
you won't be able to do anything
right. It's true. Yeah,

1035
01:05:56,599 --> 01:06:00,719
you gotta get those blades aut in
the Assassin's Creed, you know. Oh

1036
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,480
yeah, no kidding, Planet the
Apes movie, Yeah, fuck, that's

1037
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:08,880
when I'll get back on the series. I would if they, if there's

1038
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,679
a game, send Planet Apes.
But you're in Assassin going back to like

1039
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,440
kill these monkeys, so fuck yeah
jump. That would be like you have

1040
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,639
all these historical sassery game. Just
like their first trailer showing off, it's

1041
01:06:19,679 --> 01:06:24,719
like, fucking here we are Planet
the Apes. Well, what they do

1042
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,559
is they find it amnuus what do
they call the amulus or whatever? Animis?

1043
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,239
Animis this one goes in the future
and they say, oh, we've

1044
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,079
seen that the apes take over and
you got to go there and prevent it.

1045
01:06:34,119 --> 01:06:38,480
That's what it is, like your
ancestor you know, everything like that.

1046
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:43,119
What were you saying about killing those
guys. Well, I don't feel

1047
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:46,079
like Faid needed to actually kill them
because they were so loyal to to Fade,

1048
01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:48,119
right, But I guess he just
wanted to keep it a secret.

1049
01:06:48,159 --> 01:06:53,119
He didn't like to trust him,
So yeah, he didn't trust them.

1050
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:55,840
That's why. As soon as you
said, like, you did the right

1051
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,239
thing, and then you like and
then yeah, like he brushes their cheeks

1052
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:00,639
or whatever the fuck you. I'm
like, he's gonna fucking kill them.

1053
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:02,920
And then it like there's like a
slight delay. I'm like, oh,

1054
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,760
maybe he's not gonna kill them.
And then he pulls out those glaves or

1055
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,239
whatever the hell they are. I'm
like, oh, fuck, okay,

1056
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,880
here we go. And then yeah, he just leaves twenty feet in the

1057
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,519
air. And yeah, man,
like the whole leaping thing like with apes

1058
01:07:15,519 --> 01:07:17,239
and stuff, Like, I know
they're athletic, but I don't think they

1059
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:23,239
just leap like that, Like that's
that's a bold decision. And theyde amongst

1060
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,559
all of them is like a lemur. He is leaping everywhere in this movie.

1061
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:30,000
There's a moment I forget who he's
talking to. It might be when

1062
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,599
he's actually talking to Ari, but
yeah, he's like in the city and

1063
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:38,360
he just turns over and he just
fucking leaps off the ledge and I just

1064
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:43,760
like, yeah, I just belly
laughed. I thought it was the most

1065
01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:46,159
just shocking thing I'd ever seen.
It was it was. It was quite

1066
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:49,280
funny. Yeah, because they get
an argument about like why you should not

1067
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:54,199
spend time with humans and me and
like his her dad clearly knows she has

1068
01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:56,760
no interest in him, but like
literally they looks over and he's like,

1069
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,639
yeah, go try to like have
sex with my daughter or whatever. And

1070
01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:02,280
then yeah, they just like do
they have his horse always parked on her

1071
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,960
balconies so he can just jump off
them. The bodyguards like looking up in

1072
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,239
the air, like trying to guide
the horse, make sure to the right,

1073
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,039
because if he missed us, he's
gonna fucking kill us. I already

1074
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:15,279
did hear what happened to Jimmy and
Tom. He took his fucking clay things.

1075
01:08:15,279 --> 01:08:16,880
But he show him I don't know
what he show him. They've just

1076
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:20,479
been missing, you know. So
yeah, yeah, but yeah, I

1077
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,439
would not want to fight him,
you know. Like Luckily, I love

1078
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,640
the ending. I love that they
lock him in, and I love when

1079
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,199
the gun shoots and all the sparking. Li I love that. I don't

1080
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:32,239
know why keeps running up and down
the wall so much, but I do

1081
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:35,960
love the way that they take him
out, and uh yeah, I enjoy

1082
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,039
that. Again, I'm curious of
I guess with the ending, he got

1083
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:43,039
out of there somehow, so I
want to see, like was he just

1084
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,680
he got out and he must have
like leaped right away because he had to

1085
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:50,479
leap from all those humans. He
was just leaping back. He Yeah,

1086
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:55,960
he left on the horse ride back, got that spaceship. Probably what he

1087
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,640
did they got to the water,
grabbed them, left and just like pulled

1088
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,439
the thing with them, and then
he went to space. But apes can't

1089
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,960
swim. That's like another thing that
doesn't make sense. Yeah, how did

1090
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:10,399
he do that? And that's like
you said, he just sinks, grabs

1091
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,159
the ship and leaps. Was the
leaped, Yeah, of course he could

1092
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,039
leap. Why are we talking monster
legs? That guy? Oh his thighs

1093
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:21,520
treat trunks. Yeah, Paul Gimanni
great in this movie. You know,

1094
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:27,039
I don't think it makes sense for
the character when the humans escape for this

1095
01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:30,039
character. Everything they set up for
him to be actually the jungle hunting them

1096
01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:32,560
down. Like all Wes see the
be them first act is him having multiple

1097
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,520
people bring him stuff, like he
doesn't look like the guy that would have

1098
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:40,840
gone hunting. But he's great.
He fully commits. I love him.

1099
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:44,880
He's like, for the most part, I think the comedic comedy or the

1100
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,399
comedic relief hits. And I think
this one's premierly actor because I think there's

1101
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:53,239
enough lines there that aren't good.
If it's someone lesser than it wouldn't be

1102
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:56,600
as good. But Paul Gimanni delivers, and he's a fun character. And

1103
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,640
I kind of like at the end
when he does join our humans and he's

1104
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,039
like, well they're just they're not
gonna except me now and he helps them

1105
01:10:01,039 --> 01:10:04,079
out like a little bit. But
yeah, I really like that character.

1106
01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:11,560
He's just like a nice greaseball character. He looks disgusting, terrible teeth and

1107
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:15,800
again like Ari's just using sex as
a as a weapon against him. When

1108
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,680
she buys Mark Wahlberg and New Nova
whatever her name, is it's like,

1109
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:26,119
I think we can come to arrangement. And he does like like a weird,

1110
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,279
like a very strange monkey noise,
but it's it's like quiet because he's

1111
01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:36,159
just panty like he's just like pre
coming in the moment and then yeah,

1112
01:10:36,199 --> 01:10:42,159
they just they just it's just so
weird. But I did like him as

1113
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:45,560
as the sleeves ball character, and
like that was early on in the film

1114
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,439
and when he's just like I guess
taking Mark Wahlberg and the rest of the

1115
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:53,640
slave humans, and in that moment, I'm like, Wow, what a

1116
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:58,960
different movie these are compared to the
sixties era. I did like some of

1117
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,920
the like buying them for pets and
stuff like that, and that was sad

1118
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,279
when the baby got you know,
separate, but they got her back.

1119
01:11:04,039 --> 01:11:06,920
But yeah, are they just see
that Ari just like did do some sex

1120
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:11,840
stuff with him because he did get
I guess they ran. But was she

1121
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,760
gonna because she did take them and
that's what her deal was, right,

1122
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,960
so it was they never she never
like outsmarted him. So I don't know,

1123
01:11:19,319 --> 01:11:23,359
just I don't know, a little
weird there, but you know,

1124
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:29,239
it is what it is. So
there's any Yeah, any thoughts on any

1125
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,439
characters there you want to bring up. I mean Paul's character. Yeah,

1126
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:40,680
just he's first yeah, first name
basis, he's a slaver, and it's

1127
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:45,279
just funny how it's funny story transitions. Well, it's funny because he turns

1128
01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:49,079
from being someone who hated the humans
to turning into someone that he's caught with

1129
01:11:49,119 --> 01:11:53,760
the humans. The apes are actually
trying to like hurt him or detain him,

1130
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,680
and so he just says, I
don't even need those cuffs. No

1131
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:00,439
more paraphrasing, but he acknowledges the
fact that he's now considered the enemy,

1132
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,319
and that just goes kind of hand
in hand because we don't ever have any

1133
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:11,800
mention of ape won't kill ape that
low they it's definitely not doesn't No,

1134
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:19,439
no faith's all for that. Anything
else specifically character to shout out of character

1135
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:23,479
applowis. I have some other notes, but anything that we haven't touched upon.

1136
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,000
Talked about the ending, but I
have more to say about the ending

1137
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:31,119
and some trivia here. So talked
about the love triangles. They kind of

1138
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:33,920
make Ari and that scarlet your hands
and girl not like each other till the

1139
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:40,600
end, and then Ari Saser so
good for that such a weird dynamic.

1140
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:49,279
Yeah, but yeah, anything else, I don't think of anything. I

1141
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:54,199
really like the score. Actually,
this one stood out to me. It

1142
01:12:54,199 --> 01:12:57,199
it didn't seem like anything like original, but it just it just felt like

1143
01:12:57,239 --> 01:13:00,159
it was hitting in the right moments, whether they're doing battles, it was

1144
01:13:00,199 --> 01:13:05,159
definitely lifting it up. And maybe
that's just something that's kind of I don't

1145
01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:08,439
even know, Like I don't want
to say upgraded from the older films,

1146
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:12,119
because the older films definitely have something
special about the first movie score. I

1147
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:15,039
remember, yeah, banger, Yeah, absolutely, it's a banger. But

1148
01:13:16,079 --> 01:13:19,079
yeah, there's just I don't know
it was. It just definitely was hitting

1149
01:13:19,079 --> 01:13:24,720
in the right spots and made me
notice it more so other films can of

1150
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,319
another juice in this era, I
don't I don't know where to win.

1151
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,640
Not only he has the juice anymore, but he certainly had it at this

1152
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,239
point. So a few just notes
I had throughout was we got the dropping

1153
01:13:35,279 --> 01:13:40,359
on, what's that smell that will
come geek for his fans. You'll get

1154
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:43,800
that one day in one of our
films. But I just wants that smell

1155
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:48,520
and he's like human and you know, they beat him up on them yeah,

1156
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,079
which I found it weird that he
was even willing to like adopt it,

1157
01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:56,359
like the child, like the child
wanted one. Right, No,

1158
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,439
it was his niece. Oh,
it was his niee. So it wasn't

1159
01:13:59,319 --> 01:14:01,239
at his house. It was in
his sister's house. So that he's just

1160
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:04,960
like shitting on the smell of humans, yet he's allowing a human to enter

1161
01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:09,840
his home. It just it seems
strange, but okay, good explaining.

1162
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,319
Yeah, so he had that go
on. And there's an example that first

1163
01:14:14,359 --> 01:14:17,760
movie, the Capture of the Humans
with the Apes, ten times better than

1164
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,399
this movie. Like it's just very
it's quick, and it just doesn't have

1165
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:24,399
the same intensity. But there is
one moment I love in there when they

1166
01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:26,800
find the little kid. They just
chuck her and then they catch her with

1167
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:30,239
a sack just very like not comedic, but comedic in the sense of just

1168
01:14:31,319 --> 01:14:35,880
and then they tire up, you
know, just in a bag. So

1169
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,399
oh and then when they did get
the gun, he reminded me of your

1170
01:14:40,399 --> 01:14:43,039
guys' favorite Predator at first when he
held the gun, because he got it

1171
01:14:43,319 --> 01:14:45,520
and he was holding like this for
a bit and then yeah, I thought

1172
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,199
he was gonna do it. Kill
a shot yeah, uh, some trivia

1173
01:14:50,279 --> 01:14:54,399
here. Mark Wahlberg joined the film
after meeting Tim Burton for only five minutes.

1174
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:58,000
He was anxious to work with Burden
that he agreed to play any part

1175
01:14:58,319 --> 01:15:01,560
a war work dropped out of the
role, and Ocean's eleven, which is

1176
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:08,239
it's interesting that's met Damon Roll.
So yeah, I'm sure he I love

1177
01:15:08,279 --> 01:15:11,119
that happened too, but I'm sure
he probably wishes the other way around,

1178
01:15:11,159 --> 01:15:13,560
you know, which, same thing. I'm not sure about Tim Roff with

1179
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,880
Snape. I'm not sure if it
was a thing where it's like you might

1180
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,840
not want to do five movies or
whatnot whatever they're talking about. And plus

1181
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,920
two, you got to think at
that point, plan the Apes the first

1182
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,399
one, this classic film, they're
remaking it. I could see being like,

1183
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:30,199
ah, like it's this book series, but planning the Apes or remaking

1184
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:31,479
it, like I gotta do play
Apes, you know, That's what I

1185
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,720
was thinking, Like just seeing Wahlberg
in this movie, like it's been thirty

1186
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:39,560
years since Apes has been back,
and oh my, that was just such

1187
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:44,039
a major major franchise. That'd probably
be like a lot of hype around this

1188
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:46,640
film, absolutely because what was the
budget for it? It was it was

1189
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,199
not too bad. So it was
a hundred million, Yeah, one hundred

1190
01:15:49,239 --> 01:15:53,359
million, but I think it made
like three sixty or something like that,

1191
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,520
so sixty two, yeah, yeah, which and is a bit better back

1192
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,039
then because it's like they had a
lot more in DVDs and stuff. It's

1193
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:03,600
interesting that it was the top ten
that year. At one point it had

1194
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:08,760
like one of the biggest openings for
Fox, but the the and they signed

1195
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,920
the actors on for sequels. I
think I have it somewhere here, but

1196
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,560
they literally just didn't do it because
the reception of the movie wasn't good,

1197
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:15,800
so it wasn't even like a money
thing. They just felt like, we're

1198
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:20,119
not gonna go forward same thing.
At one point. Yeah, it seems

1199
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:23,560
like it's an abnormal thing these days. Well that's like, oh yeah,

1200
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,800
that's these days. That's old Hollywood, where it's like, oh, we

1201
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,319
got away with one, let's not
let's not try it again, you know,

1202
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,720
but nowadays like well made money,
as we'll try. Tim Roth suffered

1203
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,920
extensively in the role of General Thad. He didn't orthade. I don't know

1204
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,600
why I say that. He didn't
mind the hours and hours spent in the

1205
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,760
makeup chair, but he found the
costume extremely constricting. You know, shit

1206
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,680
like look at that armor. By
the end of the shoot he had trapped

1207
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:54,840
nerves. And two he radiated vertebrae
in his back, so like herniated.

1208
01:16:55,119 --> 01:17:00,800
Yeah it didn't, it does say
it does hernate. Thank you the RS

1209
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,039
or the end of the R.
It's late here folks were looking like two

1210
01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:08,199
RS. So, yeah, that's
that's fucked up. That's a lot of

1211
01:17:08,279 --> 01:17:10,359
damage to his body. He took. It's just for that role. I

1212
01:17:10,399 --> 01:17:14,680
guess he's hunched over a lot of
the rule. That's why they costume.

1213
01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:17,119
Tim Burton said he'd rather jump out
a window than direct a sequel to this

1214
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:25,000
film, and this was part of
the thing. Let's yeah. The production

1215
01:17:25,079 --> 01:17:29,000
was a difficult experience for Tim Burton
was largely contributed to the Fox adamant released

1216
01:17:29,079 --> 01:17:31,479
date of July two thousand and one, which meant that everything from pre production,

1217
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:35,439
editing, and visual effects was worked
rush. Mark Wahlberg was talking to

1218
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,319
MTV and said he hadn't seen the
new one yet this back in two thousand

1219
01:17:39,359 --> 01:17:43,560
and one, to his love Story. He said they didn't have a they

1220
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,920
didn't have the scriptwriting. Fox Studios
had a release date before Tim Burton had

1221
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:50,439
a foot on the film, either
pushing him and pushing him the wrong direction,

1222
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,560
you know that Tim Doods thing.
So it sounded like it was like,

1223
01:17:54,319 --> 01:17:56,520
let's do apes. Yeah great,
and then once he signed on,

1224
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,960
they're like, you gotta hit this
date no matter what. And it sounds

1225
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,199
like it was not a good,
uh working relationship here, which you know,

1226
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,880
I think maybe some stuff shows that, but there's other stuff where I

1227
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:09,800
think it was just gonna be bad
no matter what. But let's see,

1228
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,239
Johnny Depp and Dan and day Lewis
were considered for the role of Fade,

1229
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,359
so that would have been that would
have been interesting. Johnny Depp is what

1230
01:18:16,359 --> 01:18:20,319
you just said, Johnny Tapp?
Yeah, stayed good thing. He did

1231
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:26,760
a Pirates in a couple years instead. But so during the film's early development,

1232
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,840
and this is what I was talking
about there, it started developing an

1233
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,960
eighties So that's why this makes sense. Harrison Ford, Kevin cost and pastic

1234
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:35,840
Sways were all talking about for the
lead role at one point, so that

1235
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:40,199
kind of makes sense. And I
actually think Harrison Ford, like comparing to

1236
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,840
Charlton Heston, I think he actually
is gonna like our Charlton Heston in a

1237
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,760
way like they just had like very
specific vibes, big dudes, you know,

1238
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,439
very handsome, that old school handsome, So that would make sense.

1239
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:55,159
Patrick Swayzey and Kevin cost I really
couldn't stand it. And then when they

1240
01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:59,680
were making this film, the leads
that they were considering other than Mark Wahlberg

1241
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:01,359
was Matt Damon, which is would
have been funny. It's some good what

1242
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:06,760
if if Matt Damon did this and
Mark Wahlberg did the Levin's film. Ben

1243
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:11,800
Affleck was another one, and then
Leonardo Dicapro was the other one as well.

1244
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,680
So I think got of those like
Leo would have been the best.

1245
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,000
But I still feel like they needed
And that's why I'm trying to think,

1246
01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:19,359
like back the Stars into the two
thousands, like you needed a Heston.

1247
01:19:19,359 --> 01:19:24,479
I don't know if they had someone
like that that's just very cares Like.

1248
01:19:25,159 --> 01:19:27,800
I'm not trying to say. I'm
not saying Ben Affleck, Matt Damon,

1249
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,159
Leo aren't charismatic. It's just I
feel like there's certain types of charismaic,

1250
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:35,319
not like Heston is just a character
him himself as a person, just a

1251
01:19:35,399 --> 01:19:39,199
character. So it's like just put
him on a beach and you're gonna be

1252
01:19:39,279 --> 01:19:42,920
entertained where the other people need roles. So like, yeah, I don't

1253
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:47,439
know, let's see the cast sign
up for a sequel, but yeah,

1254
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:54,960
cancelation out the film's poor recession by
critics. The widely reviled ending is actually

1255
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,680
fairly true to the ending of the
novel, in which the human protagonist finds

1256
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,640
a ship and escapes. They plan
together with the native human female Nova.

1257
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,520
Uh. They of course, they
set a course to Earth, and due

1258
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:09,760
to traveling near light speed, many
centuries have pass and Earth has evolved into

1259
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:15,079
an eight dominated society. The DVD
and papers notes of a clue of this

1260
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:17,119
lodger for the movie ending, so
they've they've kind of floated out there.

1261
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:19,359
But yeah, that is I guess
the ending of the book still, so

1262
01:20:19,399 --> 01:20:23,960
that he goes back and does that, which I kind of get to why

1263
01:20:24,079 --> 01:20:28,399
the movie didn't do that, because
I feel like back in the Charlton Heston

1264
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,439
days, that would have been a
lot of budget to do an entire world

1265
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:36,680
of apes and buildings and everything.
So let's see. Uh, oh no,

1266
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:44,920
hang on, give me, let's
see, okay, and then so

1267
01:20:45,039 --> 01:20:46,600
I gotta go back and find the
directors. I'll let you guys want to

1268
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:51,319
do one year overalls while I find
that one. Okay. I was just

1269
01:20:51,359 --> 01:20:56,000
gonna say when I was doing do
some google in here and I just pull

1270
01:20:56,119 --> 01:21:00,760
up like this image and there's some
good in it for sure, But my

1271
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:05,399
god, that one on the right
is like, that's a that's a rom

1272
01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:14,279
com in the making, some weird
interspecies. Yeah, ok, Jesus,

1273
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,079
I buy you enough time. Oh
you moved? Yeah, I just had

1274
01:21:17,119 --> 01:21:20,800
to put this guy on. Oh
yeah, oh there we go. Oh

1275
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:34,319
man, there's a couple of times. What up, jez, I gotta

1276
01:21:34,319 --> 01:21:39,760
find the list of people. There's
a I had a list of all the

1277
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:43,920
directors at there. What about that
opening though? That opening sequence, very

1278
01:21:44,199 --> 01:21:46,600
very early two thousands, like it
almost made me think of like Spider Man

1279
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:51,079
actually, just like the we're going
on and they open up? Yeah,

1280
01:21:51,119 --> 01:21:54,159
I know, I was like,
what the heck are they doing here?

1281
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,520
Directors involved in pre production over the
years, Alan Rifkins, Sam I'm Raymie,

1282
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,479
Philip Norris, Chuck Russell, Chris
Columbus, Rollin, Emeric Michael Bay,

1283
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:08,199
Sir Peter Jackson, and the Hughes
brothers. In nineteen ninety three.

1284
01:22:08,199 --> 01:22:12,920
Oliver Stone was originally considered to direct
this film and had signed an executive producer

1285
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,720
and wanted Arnold Schwartzenegger and the lead
role. James Cameron had then signed on

1286
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,439
to executive produced and write the film, but dropped out in nineteen ninety seven.

1287
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,840
And also, if you go to
Wikipedia and look at it, they

1288
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:28,119
were making a game on the James
Cameron movie version, and then when that

1289
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:30,640
movie didn't happen, they stopped making
the game. But there was a game

1290
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:33,600
in Defelment before that. So but
yeah, it looks like the one that

1291
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:43,640
got furthest along was the one with
Arnold, which so like this movie would

1292
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:47,000
be better if it was Arnold because
that's like that's where it's like the Charlton

1293
01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:49,039
Heston thing, where it's like that's
a guy that just has like a certain

1294
01:22:49,119 --> 01:22:54,560
charisma. Now I don't know if
Arnold in a monkey like a planting this

1295
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,760
movie is a good idea, because
I just feel like that could lead us

1296
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:00,039
some very comedic things. But I
feel like that's the type of star,

1297
01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:03,560
so I would have preferred that Overmark
Well obviously two thousand and one, I

1298
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,199
don't think he was doing that.
He's getting ready run for governor and stuff.

1299
01:23:06,239 --> 01:23:12,680
But well you said, like the
it started nineteen eighty eight or something

1300
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:16,079
like that, So it first started, yeah what air, Like what period

1301
01:23:16,199 --> 01:23:19,960
would have that been, like early
nineties maybe mid nineties, probably mid nineties

1302
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:24,520
when he was like hot hot too, like he was you know, predator

1303
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:27,840
or terminate or everything like that.
True lies, you know, like that's

1304
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,760
why it's all in that era for
him. So it's interesting too just some

1305
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:33,760
of the other directors that you're talking
about there, Like it seems like for

1306
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:38,600
a lot of them, this is
like peak of their career, like like

1307
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:41,840
Chris Columbus, that's the chap that
did like Harry Potter right, like the

1308
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,039
first handful of the Home Alone,
you know, like oh we did okay,

1309
01:23:45,079 --> 01:23:48,960
yeah yeah, and then like Peter
Jackson obviously ramping up. Well actually

1310
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,560
that would have been the same time
as Lord of the Rings, so well

1311
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:56,439
this comes at the same year as
Fellowship. Wow. Yeah, some really

1312
01:23:56,439 --> 01:24:00,119
interesting What was some of the other
ones on there, Sam Amy, Amy,

1313
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:03,479
he Don spider Man, Michael Bay
I don't know what Michael Bay.

1314
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,640
I think he was just doing like
the Rock and stuff like that. But

1315
01:24:06,079 --> 01:24:10,479
yeah, like all them, like
there's a there's a chance we don't get

1316
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,159
the Lord of the Rings the way
we get it if he does plan,

1317
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:15,560
you know, so it's plan.
The Apes could have changed a lot of

1318
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:18,680
things. It could have not had
Titanic happen for James Camera, which was

1319
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:24,720
huge, So single single most impactful
movie franchise of all time for that.

1320
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:30,000
Yeah. Oh and then finally,
one of the considered innings was Captain Leo

1321
01:24:30,119 --> 01:24:33,479
crash landing on a Yankee stadium seeing
Apes playing baseball. This season originally suggested

1322
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:39,840
in nineteen ninety five for one of
the sequels, but they didn't do it

1323
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:43,239
for budgetary reasons. Timber And wanted
to do it, but they didn't do

1324
01:24:43,239 --> 01:24:45,560
it for a budgetary He wanted the
baseball, he did. He wanted the

1325
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:51,319
baseball. So with Abraham Lincoln,
Yeah, how would fade would have been?

1326
01:24:51,399 --> 01:24:58,119
Like shown there? You think the
present fades in the box and he's

1327
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:03,640
just like he's still running staring at
Leo like plating that leaps screeches, yet

1328
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:14,439
he's fully dressed like a president.
Nice. He s a hard cut to

1329
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:24,199
credits. Leo will return in did
you feel final thoughts? Yeah, this

1330
01:25:24,199 --> 01:25:29,000
this movie has major gaps in the
story at times, just trying to figure

1331
01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:31,880
out how the time travel works and
whatnot. But all in all, I

1332
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:36,960
think it's it's a it's a good
time. I am very biased and partial

1333
01:25:38,039 --> 01:25:45,560
for those two thousand actiony flicks like
You're Underworlds and of course this Plade.

1334
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:49,159
Hellboy, there's so many of those
those films that would just hit, Oh,

1335
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:53,279
there's dping going on in this film, travels coming on, Yeah,

1336
01:25:53,319 --> 01:25:58,039
I guess so there was. So
I I will happily rewatch this film again

1337
01:25:58,079 --> 01:26:00,840
in the near future, and it's
been so long since I've actually rewatched it,

1338
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:05,079
so I'm glad that this retrom has
presented the opportunity to indulge in it

1339
01:26:05,119 --> 01:26:13,479
again. So hopefully, hopefully we
would see some form of the APE remake

1340
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:15,880
in the future where they decide to
tackle the practicality and do the makeup and

1341
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,920
everything again like this. Well,
I don't think they ever will. You

1342
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:23,279
don't think they ever will. No, not the way Holly. Probably too

1343
01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:28,159
expensive, Yeah, I just think
expensive work. They would just like we're

1344
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:30,880
going to the fucking generation where they're
like, oh, like companies were talking

1345
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,399
with AI. You think AI is
gonna be like, go spend money and

1346
01:26:34,399 --> 01:26:36,840
make the like no, I think
it's we're gonna get more of that.

1347
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:40,840
And again, I still look,
I still like the look of the new

1348
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,560
movies, but I definitely still prefer
And there's some things you couldn't have done

1349
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:46,800
with the new like you couldn't have
like a child actor do a full movie,

1350
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,680
which we had some child actors and
monkey stuff. But I don't I

1351
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:54,319
don't know if it would happen.
I really don't. Yeah, I guess

1352
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,800
make a point, it's a shame
because I think it has it has that

1353
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:01,039
quality to it, something something there, and like you were saying before,

1354
01:27:01,159 --> 01:27:04,199
like you can you can see the
difference, like with the Hobbit, for

1355
01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:08,560
example, you can tell those orcs
are c g I and like Lord of

1356
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:13,680
the Rings where like you can touch
these orcs, but I digress, don't

1357
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,039
touch them. You can sniff them
too. The Yeah, I gotta,

1358
01:27:16,199 --> 01:27:20,479
unfortunately watch the Hobbits again because the
kids want to watch them, so kids

1359
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:23,640
I want. Yeah. Gwen asked
me, like, why is there not

1360
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,840
more Lord of the Rings films.
I had to explain, Well, there's

1361
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:30,359
just these three books, and I
could have but like I was, like,

1362
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:32,960
she's showing interest in low It's not
like cars or something, but it's

1363
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,880
like she's showing interest in Lord of
the Rings, like hey, like they're

1364
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:42,680
still getting off and it's age.
No. I I told her about that.

1365
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,800
I said, we're gonna watch Hobbit
and then she's older, but I

1366
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,399
did Prepper and say, there's lots
of talking Rings of Power, so I

1367
01:27:47,399 --> 01:27:50,079
don't know if you enjoy it,
but that's why we'll watch Hobbits. And

1368
01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:53,600
for the first time ever, I'm
gonna watch the Hobbity extended editions. I've

1369
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,359
never have, so I'm like,
fuck it, if I'm gonna watch them

1370
01:27:55,399 --> 01:27:58,680
again, let's try them out.
So I feel long. I feel long.

1371
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,960
I feel like the only the Racials
fell long already. The only exten

1372
01:28:02,039 --> 01:28:05,319
edition Hobbit film that I actually like
is about all the Five Armies, just

1373
01:28:05,359 --> 01:28:10,800
because you get some cool extra like
fight scenes. But there's some weird shit

1374
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,399
though, yeah they do. But
I'm sure at this age she'll like it

1375
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,119
more than me. She again also
her favorite character, So you got that,

1376
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:18,079
you got legalists, you got a
female el from there, you got

1377
01:28:18,079 --> 01:28:21,399
Bilbo galms in their bit. And
I think kids will like the Dwarves too,

1378
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:25,119
so I think it'll be a fun
time watching them but I'm like,

1379
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:29,399
yeah, there there is some more, but what's your rating on this tailor?

1380
01:28:30,319 --> 01:28:33,359
I would probably go, I mean, I was just having such a

1381
01:28:33,359 --> 01:28:36,800
good time watching this, I'd probably
go like an eight out of ten.

1382
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:43,039
To be honest, it's not perfect
because in that respect, I really wanted

1383
01:28:43,039 --> 01:28:46,319
the sequel. I really wanted them
to explain a little bit more about how

1384
01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:53,640
the time travel really worked. And
it's just convoluted. But at its core,

1385
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:57,800
it's just your It's your classic two
thousands action packed flick. And so

1386
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,000
I'm biased and I'm gonna give at
that eight out of ten because it's it's

1387
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:04,640
a it's a damn good time and
I got happy memories when I whenever I

1388
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:13,760
think about this film, Wow,
I'll go six point seven five because you

1389
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,199
more than I thought. Yeah,
I enjoy it, but there's still just

1390
01:29:16,199 --> 01:29:20,479
stuff that's just bad about it.
So and seven just because seven is like

1391
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:24,399
in the Guilty Pleasure where I will
watch it again and I will like its

1392
01:29:24,399 --> 01:29:27,000
at the beginning of this, but
I just don't know if I can get

1393
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,399
to the exact seven because I feel
like that's a certain class and I don't

1394
01:29:30,399 --> 01:29:32,560
think I'll be watching this all the
time I'll just probably watch again sooner than

1395
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,439
I did before because I didn't enjoy
But yeah, it's six point seven five.

1396
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:40,000
I think that's what you watch it
with your kids. No, no,

1397
01:29:40,079 --> 01:29:42,880
we didn't watch. Uh. They
watched the first plan the Apes enjoyed

1398
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,760
it for like a little bit and
then there's too much talking. So no,

1399
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:49,520
I was slow one too. Like
the opening, they were fully in

1400
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:54,159
and then when it was just like
that for another like twenty minutes, then

1401
01:29:54,199 --> 01:29:55,960
they were out. They're like,
hey, we're down with them, and

1402
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,880
they get butt ass naked and go
swimming in the pool. Yeah, that's

1403
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:03,439
the first naked butt band. They
gotta see his child and as friends.

1404
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:08,680
But yeah, I know a Lord
of the Rings. Surprisingly they may they

1405
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:13,159
made it through all them. There's
some talking in there, but Hellester Passer.

1406
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:16,680
Yeah, I was thinking like six
out of ten, but I think

1407
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,880
I'm gonna go up to six and
a half mostly just for the actual like

1408
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:25,399
practical look of the Apes. I
think that's worth a full half point up

1409
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:29,960
at least they It just looks so
fantastic and it holds up to this day.

1410
01:30:30,119 --> 01:30:33,039
And yeah, no, like this
movie's all about apes, and all

1411
01:30:33,039 --> 01:30:39,079
the Apes looked really really good and
just the attention to detail on differentiating the

1412
01:30:39,119 --> 01:30:44,520
gorillas. The orangutans. Didn't love
Ari's hair, but it's also like very

1413
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:46,279
fitting for that time, like the
early two thousands. That seems like an

1414
01:30:46,319 --> 01:30:50,920
early two thousands hairstyle, So I
guess it it works out there. And

1415
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,680
I also just we didn't really talk
about it too much, but I just

1416
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,399
kind of liked the look of Ape
Kingdom or whatever it was called. It

1417
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:02,840
just seemed like a dark town where
stuff's going on, And yeah, I

1418
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:06,840
liked it up there. A lot
of d pen for sure, especially when

1419
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,560
they're just they have like a montage
on them escaping, just going through people's

1420
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:15,479
rooms. Just people are up to
no good. Yeah, no, absolutely,

1421
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:17,800
not like those people that were about
to bone, Like you don't even

1422
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,560
lock the door. Right back to
the guy with the dentures and the hair

1423
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:26,439
piece. Fuck. Yeah, that's
the one thing that we had a lot

1424
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,640
of it. I feel like they
did it a little bit in the originals,

1425
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:30,760
but this was a lot of oh
stuff that's happening in the two thousands,

1426
01:31:31,079 --> 01:31:34,439
and the Apes are doing this in
their own way, like the dentures

1427
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:39,800
and stuff. So well, ladies, gentlemen, we are done with the

1428
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:43,479
two thousand and one Plan, the
Apes Retrospective. All the links are down

1429
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:45,479
below. You didn't do any of
those, but you know you'll know how

1430
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:47,319
to fun and let us do what
you thought. And then yeah, next

1431
01:31:47,399 --> 01:31:50,439
up we'll be starting the Circus trilogy, the one closer to home here,

1432
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:55,520
but next will be Rise the Plan
the Apes where the adding Circus to John

1433
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:59,119
Lyftgow and James Franco. So yeah, it should be interesting. One.

1434
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:01,800
I haven't done that on cast,
so yeah look up for that one.

1435
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:09,119
Promise you it will not be boring. Mum, oh god, crying