Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Plan The Apes Retrospective.
Bow your Heads. I am the Bowing my Head Tresnell and I'm joined
by. You've been waiting for that one, haven't you? Oh yeah,
since two thousand and one. Baby, I'm the damn dirty or human kirklum
Patzer. I am the spaceman Taylor Field. Damn dirty. That's a good
one, Taylor. You should have You should have picked something, Michael Clark
Duncan said, because me and Kirklin both have that. Yeah, you should
have, but they dropped the they I'm pretty sure he says, Oh no,
it's not him, It's it's the the other gorillas. He's just a
spaceman. Yeah. The reason I chose that we're gonna get into this,
it's gonna be a spicy, good one. The reason I chose a Bowing
my Heads by nickname is so I when this was the first movie. Fuck
it. We'll do plugs after because it's gonna get it. I'll go for
as good as my overalls. This is the first movie I ever owned on
DVD because I remember, for a small amount of time when it came out,
it was only on DVD, and this was the movie that I convinced
like, I need parents a DVD player because I need to see planned the
apes because when I saw us this kid we've probably before I saw at my
grandparents they had that trill GVHS the Star Wars and then they had those apes
whereas all the five together, So those were the things I just spam when
I was at their place. So Apes was one. And I had to
go see this with my grandma too, so that was good because she was
a big APES fan. So we went to go see it, and you
know, we'll talk about what I feel about today and everything, but I
fuck, I loved it. I was so hyped. It's definitely like Phantom
Menace, like it's an air of that five years, Like this is the
movie's overly hype. Four could not believe it. And so eventually my parents
and I stuff got me a DVD player and I spammed. I watched all
the special features so much, and then they had this thing where it was
like three trailers and like fifteen t TV spots. Don't know why I watched
them all, Like this is what you do as a kid. You have
nothing but time, and when the TV spots. Let's say I'm maybe being
let's say it's ten to fifteen. But all the t these spots started,
it'd be like, you know, a little logo something, and then it'd
be bow your heads, and it's my clerk ducking yelling that out. And
once I got to the fire or six time, my dad I remember he
was in his computer chair and he turned around. He's like, you're gonna
have to stop. I can no longer hear a bow and he was dead
ass, like parents serious, like I can't hear bow your heads over and
over but as a kid, and it was in the trailers too, so
but I just kept I guess because as a kid, he's like, oh,
I want to see all these different trailers and TV spots. And it
was probably the young inspiring filmmaker me. But just my dad for an hour
is hearing by your heads? I just watched all I was probably so jazz
like every time too, like yeah, your heads. I waited until later
and then I finished watching them, but yeah, it was a it was
a good time. But uh yeah. So when I watched the movie,
I absolutely loved it because the hype he gone to DVD washed a bunch like
Taylor's talked about where you said other certain movies as a kid, you were
on the internet like just looking for any details of a sequel or whatnot.
That it was like to me, it was this, the Catwoman movie and
Batman Beyond were the three. I was just spamming on the slow working internet
of like any details what's going on and stuff? Catwoman well, because there
was supposed to be originally they were making a Michelle Fife for Catwoman after Batman
Returns, but that turned in How to Bury One. But that's why I
was all over it, trying to be like, oh man, fighters going
back and did happen? Then we call what we got a couple of years
three years after this, So yeah, So I loved the movie back then,
was a big fan, still big fan. And then it's very much
like the Star Wars prequels and other things in life, where you grow up
and then you just starting to hear from everybody else that's not you of like
how much this movie sucks, and you're like, oh man, like have
I been wrong this whole time? So I went back, I don't know
when, watched it a long time ago, and I think that was like,
ah, yeah, this sucks. So now I'm coming back two years
later. We're even a Fantom Menace. At one point I was like,
oh, I'm done with the Stars prequels. But now I'm like, oh,
well, there's Ewan and there's uh Qui gon Jin, and there's some
good battles here and good stuff here on the score. So it's like,
Okay, I'm not as like, I'm not that kind of pretentious, like
I'm not gonna watch this stuff anymore. It's like, if there's something good
in here, I'll watch. So this is the first time watching it kind
of that aspect, and I like, I'll probably sound more like Tama this
episode. I don't hate this movie. I still enjoy it. Is it
a good movie? I can't answer you that I don't know, And maybe
as we talk about it more throughout here, I can answer you if it's
a good movie or a passable movie. Maybe I can't say good movie.
I think it's a really interesting movie. I think it's fascinating what they choose
to adapt from the original and what they don't choose to adapt. I think
tim Burn's a wild choice because you don't really see much of the Tim burn
isms in here like it. There's a few things, but doesn't really feel
like he directed this in my opinion, And there's a trip I have trivia
enough to do with, Like he definitely directed this. I think you just
had a lot to do with the studio changes and whatnot. But the score
really really good, like Elfman, like that opening credits of showing the armor
and Elfman coming in, Like I didn't realize it was it was actually him
until oh yeah, today he was on fire in the early two thousands.
This the year after Spider Man, Like, come on now, So I
love that. I like, like I said, I like that it's not
just a carbon copy. A couple of years earlier, they did Psycho and
it was just a shot for shot things, So I like that. It
is Okay, we're gonna do a remake, but a little bit something different.
Reimagining the makeup is fucking on point now. Granted it's great because we
did gall and we got Circus and CGI, so that's work. But like,
I don't know why, there's still like a part of me that like
prefers us a little bit, you know, Like I love seeing these,
Like I think this is fantastic make up all around. If you're making like
a human monkey hybrid. I don't know when we do the rankings where he
will be, but like Tim ross A that is a general Thad right or
the general Faide, he might be the number one villain, like maybe not
next two? What's what? Oh man? Yeah, not next to what's
say? Uh? Well, who fuck? Who's the guy in the first
one? Who's the Rangutang? Because he's really great? Oh fuck? Yeah,
we'll get to him when we come back to you know why Obadiah Stain
just came to my mind. I'm like, that's not gonna no, not
him, Susar. But yeah, tim Roth to me is very much just
about cow Dannyeffman did the score for this movie. He's given off very defoe
two thousand and two Supermen, where he is just he's going for it.
So I got raf. The makeup's fantastic to out, the set design,
the costumes all look great, the score is great. I think there's some
aspects I like the reimagining. Ah, then there's stuff like there's too many
characters in here. When we talked about how in the first plan the eighth
movie, where first half is just walking and characters looking at stuff. It
works as you got Charlton Heston, who's just a charismatic motherfucker. I think
Mark Wahlberg can be very charismatic, but this is not the role. And
I think there's definitely could have been better Doctor z as right, Yeah,
so he might be number one. I have to think about it. But
this is just not the role for Mark Rohlberg. I hate this. This
happened a lot in the early two thousands. There's two love triangles in this
movie. Why. I don't know, like that stuff you'd cut out.
So don't get me wrong. There is some bad stuff in here. There's
some head scratching stuff. There is some c rate straight to DVD quality stuff,
But overall, I think I still like it. I think it gets
worse as the movie goes along. I'll say that I think it has a
strong opening, even though Mark Rohlberg makes some very dumb choices in the first
act. But I think it has a strong opening and set up, and
then it slowly diminishes. But there's some cool stuff here, and I know
we'll save it till the very end. But the ending, as a kid,
one of the most hype things ever. Now it doesn't make sense.
No, because I also learned something today about this entire movie for the first
time that I still know off for this watch, which I was fascinated about.
But I'll wait till after. So I'm in the camp that I'm sorry.
I think this is a guilty pleasure for me. I think I enjoyed
it, and I think it won't be not won't be long, Like I'm
not going to be watching this maybe next year, but I will return to
a lot quicker than I did the last time. So, uh, I
enjoyed it, mister pats Or where are you with this one one? Obviously?
When did you see it? As we lad? Or this is your
first time? And then what do you think about now? On twenty twenty
three on our uh what the fuck is it? Lead up to Kingdom of
the Planet of the Apes? We're getting close. Sorry, you said that
this was your first DVD that you owned, like when you got a DV
player. Yeah, it's funny. My first DVD was X two, which
two thousand and three, very similar era of films. It was X two
and then Finding Nemo BOTHO. Yeah, No, well I meant apes and
x That's what I meant. YEA yeah, hundred percent. It's funny.
But yeah, wait did you did? Do you remember the like the DVD
menu for Finding Nemo? Yeah, it was great when they had heads,
Oh your head, Nemo, it's the Sharks. No, it was just
like the play scene selections. But it was just like water and it was
like sat movie like that was our sound effects. My Auntie would just put
on all time. We would just like fall asleep to that ship was fucking
crack man. That was good. That was great because like then, like
those are like the two DVDs that we had, so we were probably just
spamming them constantly, so you know, when you're done or you fall asleep
watching it, it just goes to that menu. And then it'd be like
X is pretty loud name memo, what's this? What's what's the dead?
Mar Marvin? That sounds right, Marlin Marlin, it's Marlin. Yeah,
oh right, everyone's yeah. They would they say something or whatever, your
head no, stuff like that. I think that's why that I as I
always shut them out Ambience World on YouTube and they just take like movies and
they take like the show and like that was probably the start of it right
there. But yeah, actually X two menu, you don't want me fall
asleep too. The X Men and menus were always fucking loud, so yeah,
and then oh my god, the daredvil one. Have you ever seen
the Daredevil menu? But I don't fuck it's like nice and quiet and that's
like because it will be like Matt Urdrock, like seeing through his vision,
and I just remember, I think my dad was also not happy about me
fall asleep to that one too. But uh, back to mister Patzer's thoughts,
yes, thanks for the delay. So for Planet of the Apes,
I because all these movies were out already, like when I like the first
time I saw a Planet of the Apes was definitely, I would imagine after
two thousand and one, So I kind of just this one of the original
like any of them, like like way back in the day when my first
experience watching Planet of the Apes, it would have been probably after two thousand
and one because I would have been like five years old when this came out,
So I would imagine I was jumping into those movies when I was older
than five years old. But who knows. I do remember though, being
in the mix whenever i'd watch them. I don't remember like the order that
I used to do the movies. Obviously, going through the Red Show with
you guys, there's a lot of maybe scenes that I've either really remember or
really don't remember, So that makes me think that I rewatched a lot.
I rewatched more movies in this series than others, for sure, and this
was one of the ones that I definitely rewatched quite a bit because going into
this the only scene that I remembered was the very last scene, because I
feel I felt like the first time I saw it, it just blew my
mind. And that also makes me think that maybe I saw it like this
one before, like the original Planet of the Apes, because whenever I think
of like a Planet of the Apes, like jaw drop moment, it's like
I would always just think of this one when he finally escapes and then gets
back he thinks he's on Earth, and then it's just like a holy shit
moment. It's like very just ominous ending too, because you don't see like
anything that follows up with it. It's just the cops have him and he's
just fucked through, like just so fucked and that's it. Rolls to credits,
no sequel, no happy ending, no conclusion. They'll follow up on
Captain Leo. But yeah, so that being said, like I although I
only remember that one scene as I was watching it and it was going along,
there was a lot more stuff that I was remembering. I feel like
movie, I feel like a lot of the main like plot points I didn't
really remember, but the characters for sure, and just specific moments with certain
characters. And I feel like that just goes to show like how how memorable
some of these characters are, especially someone like General Fade, Like I remember
being terrified of that character watching this as a kid. Uh just I get
like, shouts out to tim Roth with his like just the body language that
he have with his character. He looks so menacing and scary, and uh,
like you mentioned just the practical effects and the way that the apes look
and I was terrified of them as a kid, and now that I'm older,
it's it's still scary, but I'm able to just like appreciate it so
much more, especially just comparing it to even modern movies, Like I feel
like, just yeah, the quality of the costumes that the apes were weighted,
like General Fade's armor was so fucking sweet, and the detail I love
it was beautiful, Like this is the air of that and Lord of the
Rings. It's like, I know, we have so much great CGI and
I get why they don't do it for time or not, but it's like,
even if they're actors in their makeup, it's like, there's this apartment
still prefers it a bit right because there's not. There's never a moment where
it's like, oh, Caesar doesn't look like he's right there, Like it's
never like a, oh, his saturation's off of that tree. It's like,
no, it's a guy in a fucking eight costume and he's right there.
Same thing with the Hobbits for his Orcs, Like I know you've never
seen the Hobbits, but it's the same thing right where the Orcs in the
Hobbits stand out. They look like fake things because they are fake things.
Been Lord of the Rings, they're fucking you can touch him and whatnot,
and sure they might every once well look like, hey, this is clearly
a mask, but who cares, you know, no exactly, And it's
funny because this is also very well. It's like hand in hand with the
time of the Lord of the Rings games coming out, and the Grill is
just totally remind me of like the Orchid, same here, just like the
big part of me, the armor, and just just their faces like they're
they're very like bulky heads, very or high like. But so all that
looks great. I also, watching this for the first time, I just
paying attention more to the credits than I would have as a kid, and
I saw that it was Rick Baker that did the all, like the special
makeup and costume design. That's the same like he's He's done so many like
iconic monster flicks like The wolf Man, and I I the only reason why
I really know too much about his work is I listened to a podcast that
he was on one time, and it's just, man, he's got He's
got quite the track history. So I feel like any time that I see
his name on there, I'm like, oh, it's gonna be looking good,
and yeah that this one was looking beautiful. For the movie itself,
I feel like I just don't have like, although I do remember watching it
a lot as a kid, I still don't have like a lot of nostalgia
for it because I think this movie scared me more than I enjoyed it as
a kid, if that makes any sense. I feel like maybe the old,
probably because they were just older. Like the classic ones, they weren't
as scary for me. You though, they still tackle scarier concepts like this
is a very dark movie and the apes are very scary at times, especially
someone like General Fade, and it's just an overall like darker movie. It
just seems like it's almost like Chronicle of Rittick level of darkness it seems at
certain times, which probably came out around this time too, the early two
thousand era. But yeah, I don't like dislike this movie, but I
also don't love it, Like it definitely is gonna fall into kind of that
good enough category. It is very interesting, though, like going through the
first five movies that we just did that came out between sixty eight and seventy
three to this two thousand and one jump and just over like the difference on
how they feel and just what they're really trying to tell. And of course
this one is very distance from I would imagine like the original team that made
it, just because it was like what thirty years later. So yeah,
it is just really interesting to compare the two. But yeah, no,
I really not the same at all like that. No, the first five
are definitely dealing with there's minor aspects of race in this movie, but this
movie is the action adventure playing the apes where the first five are the like
you know what if we take you know what happened with black people in America
and flip it and use that as an algory and other races too, But
that was specifically the biggest one, right, especially in McDonald's character, even
like just say that outright talking about slavery right where this is. There's aspects,
but they just use this as a as a gateway for Mark Wolburg to
run through the forest, you know absolutely. I was looking up when Triple
X came out vin Diesel two thousand and two, and I like, just
just because of these like early two thousands vibe of movies, like it just
seems like they're very like sex oriented to like tight tight spandex and maybe characters
wearing in something like X two that Lord of the Rings doesn't really have that.
I guess that's the exception, but like Chronicles of Riddick definitely has that
as well, and Man in this one, I feel like they like just
like the sex meters just cranked right up compared to those earlier ones. It
just seems like everybody who just wants to fuck in this movie, whether it's
whether it's ape on Man or whatever it might be, Like I took all
that's for sure. They are there on the morbvious method they should have.
Yeah, that was none of that was needed in this film. Yeah there's
a lot of it. There's there's tons of it, one hundred percent.
So yeah, I think that's my overall thoughts are I'm I'm really glad that
we went through this and just this overall ape Shred show, Like like halfway
through it's it's been a fun time just again comparing the two and going through
the little history of apes. But I am so excited for Trivia when you're
when you're talking about it, and just while I was watching it, I'm
like, man, I can't I can't wait to find out kind of the
ins and outs of the making of this film and just certain decisions on on
like his decisions that they make for certain characters. I think the stat was
I it might be in Trivia if not, but like they were working on
remakes since like nineteen eighty eight, like that it had been Oh wow,
there's I have a list of all the directors at one point that were attached
to This was a development hell for almost two decades, like it was,
which I get is Plan the apes's a big deal. But yeah, there's
quite a story and I concluded a lot, but there's still Like I would
recommend people, if you get a chance, go to the Wikipedia page just
look at the production and just the beforehand. It's just it's wild how they
got here. But mister Field, So my first DVD was Binacle three,
Web of Shadows. Those five, I'm gonna forget it. Two or when
did they come out to one? I remember DVD players were still they're still
fairly new. I mean I guess they were out. I mean obviously since
two thousand and two. If you guys got apes and stuff for out that
time. Well, yeah, the way, especially just because it came out
in two thousand and one, like think about the way movies came out at
that point, right, Like it was a lot. It was a lot
longer like and for some reason, I feel like Plan the Apes. Let
me check at the release date, I'm guessing it was probably a summer movie,
right, I felt like I got fuck, just give me a date
something. Holy fuck man? Okay, so I feel like this came out
either December or January or something like it felt like acause you're saying DVD's didn't
come up til two thousand and two. Taylor, Well, no, I'm
just I think DVD players probably came out around that time. Let's see.
Yeah, I just remember this being around Christmas, and because I think they
were a bundle back. So if you look at that the way movies were,
that was July, that even seems too early for me. Like that's
July, August, September, October, November, December, six months like
that feels early for that, but maybe not. DVD players started being available
in like nineteen ninety six, and in nineteen ninety nine they were like one
thousand dollars. Can you fucking really crazy? I remember it was a big
deal. That was the Christmas present I got. It was like a DVD
player and playing the apes and maybe like a game from somebody. But but
yeah, this this movie holds a special place in my heart and I was
just this, out of all the Plant of the Apes films, this is
the one I was really looking forward to getting to. I'm not gonna lie.
It's just got such craziness to it. This is the one that I
remember before the old og Ones watching this one with my dad and I just
remember being absolutely terrified. Fade is a fucking scary villain. When he goes
like roars at you unexpectedly, he's like sniffing your head and all that kind
of stuff, And that's something that's kind of like, it's kind of something
that I've I've kind of adopted into like my real life. Jesus, what
does that mean? What does that means? He just grabs them by the
mouth. I'm never going to dinner with you ever again. The poor waiters
like, oh, there's you. There's no way you cannot expect us.
Ask USh when you say you've seen things about Fade and you've adopted that in
your real life, is that even? Am I am? I my personal
life with Madison step sometimes like what Thede does, like I'll just like lean
in and she's like Taylor, and I like, it's a I did that
with my kid too, because she just gets like freaking out some of the
villain then just has his child by the mouth. I'm not doing that.
That's fine, just the just like the whole like animals, my wife.
My friend just leaping down the stairs. I did. I liked him as
a child, and I still as a kid. I use the plant apes
run from this movie specifically to chase the kids around. But I feel like
it's a little more normal than going around sniffing people. But well, the
I'm not going around sniffing sniffing people. They're close to me, close to
me people. Yeah, it's great honor if I sniff one of you guys,
some person and just poop, he smell like shipd cast. But yeah,
just everything with Fade and just all the other a The way they move
like it just blows my mind how these actors were really getting into that kind
of groove of just being an ape. Because obviously there's certain there's certain pieces
of equipment that are helping them move around and do some of these fucking super
crazy jumps. But have you watched Special Features. I haven't watched Special Features.
Well, they have wires, but also when they run, they do
that, but they all it's all it was fields of treadmills, so they
would make them a little faster. Yeah, so it was like all practical.
Yeah. So so the uh yeah, just the way that they're they're
jumping around and like like theyde will just like jump up onto his horse,
and they just seamlessly pull off a very well in between like between that ape
and that human kind of balance of just the way their movements are. I
really really appreciate how they landed that because it totally works for me. But
all in all, I like that it's different from the originals. I like
that I tried to create its own spin, its own story, and that
ending is just like a WTF And is there any proper explanation for it?
I don't know. My dad always told me that the way the Storm works,
like if you go and sniff, you go in first, then you're
going to come out in the future, and then if you go in after,
you're going to come out in the past. Is some weird thing like
that, but even that, it's such a convolute thing, which I'm excited
to discuss with you guys. But yeah, it's just this movie just holds
a special place in my heart. Hang on, give me that again.
So if you're first, my dad said that if you go in first,
you're going into the you're going into the past, and then if you're going
in after, you're going into the future, I think is what he said.
Okay, no, no, no way, way because if you're going
kind of tracks. But if you're because like if you look at Pericles,
he went in first and he came out into the future, and then yeah
a couple it's not that far into the future. No, no, not
that far. And then if you go in after, like Mark Wahlberg,
did you come out in the past, So he came in before Pericles landed,
and if you look at the end with Fade, he went in after
and he came in before Mark landed. But again, it doesn't make sense
because that's like ages and Ages landed, Aid landed, like hundreds of years.
Yeah, it just gets very convoluted. Yeah, but yeah, well
that's like maybe we'll talk about the ending now. But just because I had
a question, I did not know. I was preparing trivia and I must
have missed it this time. I did not know that this is not Earth.
I've thought forever. You didn't you didn't know. No, no,
not at all. I've missed it every time. Yeah, really, it's
a different planet. It's a planet called airth Acts or something like that,
and that that's so it's a planet that's just like Earth that's taken over.
So I always thought this is why because in the trivia is reading and almost
every actor got asked about the ending, and half of them were like,
oh, I guess kind of makes sense, and there'd be like Timroff like
this makes no fucking sense. I don't know why that been in there,
but like anyway, so I always understood it because I was like, Okay,
clearly what happened was in my mind. You know, they beat Fade
everything, We're gonna get there that Mark Wahlberg goes back to Earth, but
in this time he fucked up and maybe Theade got out, and then they
you know, he still took over. So by the time Mark Wahlberg got
back, it's like, oh shit, they still want I should have stayed
and helped them out. But no, it is like what Taylor said where
that's the only I read. I was looking on read it, and that's
like the online theory that comes up the most is Mark Wahlberg left on a
ship and then I guess right behind him, Fade got in another ship and
followed him, which I do not believe that Fade is just gonna jump in
this ship after we just saw him fucking cowering in a corner because like a
gun did he get in? There's like another ship, another pod. I
can't reme. There's speculation that the pod that Mark Wahlberg crashed him, that
Thede would have hauled that out, or maybe the humans because again, all
these humans are technically descendants of the Space crew, the Auburn crew, right,
so then the theory goes that maybe they were working on working on some
of the tech and trying to get things going, and if they just caught,
like capture the ship and just flew off, or maybe there was a
pod still functional in the Auburn because all the technology was still functioning there right
out of all of them. I feel like the fact that his broken down
ship was at the bottom of the ocean or whatever the hell was the l
It's gonna pull it out of himself, just strong arm. And I just
thought they played on the origins a little bit different, that maybe they went
back to like the caveman type of air with those monkeys. The monkey killed
the astronauts and then they were the species you know, like and that's also
what happens. So yeah, I guess Kirk I both didn't know it,
and I bet there's tons of people. And that's like a change to me
that I don't like as much, which is fine because I just always said,
oh, it's you know, it's Earth, which I guess I don't
know. It's the same thing with the the humans talking. They they're they
have they try to have god, what's her name, Helm Bark character.
It's like Dana, I think, no, no, I know, no,
yeah, she has more makeup on than the original Nova, but no,
who's the ape or ari? So there's this portion of the middle where
she's trying to convince people that humans are smart, like, oh, no,
I wouldn't, that wouldn't be the case. But the problem this movie
is like a lot of the humans are just like the apes. They're talking,
they have their thought. So it's just it's weird that they didn't do
the talking thing, but then they are like the non talking thing, but
still want to pose it as all these humans are fucking completely dumb. So
it was odd for me, and that's a change that didn't track for me.
I'm finally gonna make them talk, but then just don't do a couple
of storylines of oh, you know, they are smarter if you pay attention,
It's like, well, yeah, no shit, they're you have phone
communication with these humans, so and like just do they have a soul?
It's like, well, fuck, what's the difference between them and you?
These humans seem entirely normal and they don't have like some weird neanderthalisms to them
where they're just like really brutish and like cave people where they're they're very i
don't know, like they're huddled up in little like groups, like they just
seem like they would be regular people with with like if they just gave them
the land and the materials, they would just build up their own little things.
So that was that was kind of a stretch for me, and I
mean I just kind of looked past it as the movie went on. But
uh, wasn't expecting that. I was expecting more of like the original Apes
movies that had humans, where like they are more of that early and they
should because like none of these human actors other than Mark Wahlberg, to me,
are like they're not that good, you know, Like I know,
you got the one guy from the Mummy, so it's nice to see him
again, but just like he's the bald guy. I remember, he's the
he's in the First Mummy. He works at the library. Oh yeah,
father too, right for the Blade movies, well Whistler not his father,
but I can't remember if he does. But he is one of the more
notable actors. But he dies in the first act. He does which he
just decides to get some fire and take on like fifty apes and just Michael
Clark Duncan, who which that ape is a tank? He kills a lot
of people. I remember being scared that I had a toy of him.
I had a toy of Fade Mark Wahlberg him, the Samurai one, the
guy who was like, you know, Michael Clark Duncan's friend. Then he
just fuck he fucks up in the battle. And then I just had like
a random guitar atar. Yeah I think you're right. Yeah, And then
I just had the one random red Guard. But yeah, I had a
couple of toys and stuff. But yeah, the Michael Clark Duncan character scary,
fucking like I want him to go against the General. And the fifth
one that we just had no bo Coba or no not Coba. He's coming
up. Although all the Michael a chance I'm a general, please, I'm
a general. We named guns guns h Yeah, I I feel like part
of me because of the ending and how it looks just like a human society,
but with like the apes spin on it. I always just assumed that
it was Earth, and then in this viewing, I just kind of was
pulling from that same I don't know, I just thought it was a retelliing
of like those original movies, So I kind of just went with that and
in my like again, something that was surprising to me on this viewing was
I was expecting to see actually like old Earth artifacts in this. I thought
that was something that was brought over from those originals into the remake. But
no, I was surprised by it. It was just the the ship that
crashed. Well, what about the co Where did we get the gun from
from Fades's dad? Well, that was in the Auburn, right, because
the Auburn crash landed right, Okay, that was from them. Okay,
so that was years later, So that's why they had it. Did you
guys know, did you know who was playing Sade's father? No? Who
was it? Dude? You know, I have no fucking clue. Back
again, you see, they can't make a plan's without men. That's why,
of course they make them say the fucking them down them all that,
which I hated. Ok, that's funny. I recognized the line in the
moment, but I didn't think it was him. I liked the damn dirty
human line because it's like, oh, that's a fun play on it with
Charlton Heston again doing damn them down the all home, Like, Okay,
this is a bit much, but I might be wrong. It's either one
of or it is his last roles. It's very close near the end.
It's very funny. I was like, this guy so big, it's the
biggest hate they have Michael Clark Duncan. But yeah, I did like that
they had him back, and that's kind of fun. There's some fun urban
lower you can look into that. Tim Roth did not want to do the
scene with him because they have big disagreements on gun policies. But Tim Burne
had to talk him down, just say like it's just for the movie,
just put it aside and stuff. But he just he said, he put
a gun in your hands. It had a bit a lot to do with
some of that because Tim Roll's very anti gun and Charlton Hesson was a very
big NRA supporter, and Tim Ross Lily said, if he knew he was
gonna have to do is see with Charlton Heston, he would not accepted the
movie. So and if that would happen, he maybe we would have not
got Alan Rickman because he turned down Snape to go to plan the apes,
which is kind of crazy. That's very So there's a there's a chance that
British I feel like, I never ye, okay, he's like limey British,
I think. But yeah, so Charlton Heston in there making a great
cameo. You know, it's a it's this high father eight but uh yeah,
there he was. So his lineage Fade and his father now they're they're
told that they're direct descendants of Simos, and I'm assuming Semos is this child
of Pericles because they allude to that Pericles was going to be a father because
May was pregnant and I'm pretty sure that was the baby was supposed to be
Semo. So Pericles is like an ancestor of Fade, right, technically,
I guess yes, you want to break that down because it's just like all
like the only confirmation really get from that is what's said by like the apes
themselves, so it's you're kind of just taking their word for it. But
yeah, it's like the It's like with the first one right where they said
Caesar about this stuff, but then when they look into it's like, well
this was a lie, and it's a lie. And even Michael Clark dunk
what is Michael Clark Dunkin's ape name, I can't remember what it is.
I'm just gonna call him the General because that's what he is. Well,
it says Atar on the cast, but that's the one the other guy the
other yea, yeah, or maybe getting the confused. Yeah, but like
even at the end, he's just like you and your entire family lie to
us, right, So it's just like who knows what else they're lying about?
But yeah, I guess that's Atar. So yeah, so we're saying
they they crashed on a planet that just has nothing. I'm guessing, right,
like because was there do we even? But there's horses I guess,
So there's just animals, I guess, right, there's no people. Well,
there's people that Earth. Everything that makes Earth Earth is this, but
it's also not Earth. But there is people because you're saying, like the
these humans were descendants of the starship people, but I don't think so they
are. Yeah, there are descendants of the crew, how because like the
crew got fucking mutilated. I would say all of them did. No,
we didn't get that confirmed. Those videos are pretty convincing. I don't know,
just so, so this is what happens planet with vegetation other animals.
This starship lands because Mark Wahlberg is a fucking idiot. That's just like we'll
get back to the beginning of how we get to this situation until he like
and he's like, oh, I screwed. I got the ball killed.
He's like yeah, man, and for a dumb reason too, just because
he wants to fucking fly in space. Like literally the monkey just went out.
His ship went missing, and he's like, Oh, it's weird because
he's like, I'm gonna get my monkey. But then there's other times where
he's like, why are you letting a monkey do a fucking man's job.
Does he like the monkey? Does he not like the monkey? I really
don't know, but either way he goes he does fuck all these people the
ship lands. I took it that the I don't I guess I haven't really
thought about because I thought it was Earth, so I thought it was these
monkeys land, they take over. But now if it's not that, if
it's this other planet they land, and you're saying that, like the apes
kill some of them, but some of the humans get away, and then
some of the apes get away, and then the apes start to learn to
talk, and they build a whole society and everything. Well, I took
it as that some of the humans were working with the apes. The apes
are proving intelligent and doing their own thing, and then simos kind of organized
things, and they kind of rebelled against the humans. They were rebelled against
the ones that like obviously were fortified in that ship, that science lady and
the other guy, and that other guy who was the captain in the video.
He looks much much older, So we know they've been there for a
long time. We know that they probably would have started having kids, just
doing their own thing, and some of the humans could have left and made
their own colony. It sounds like villages are all over the planet. So
I took it as okay, they've colonized the planet. At the same time,
the apes have kind of been colonizing the planet and whatnot. So people
have even speculated like if this is an alien planet where the horses come from.
But there's no designated section of that spaceship in the Auburn that's saying this
is only monkeys, So people are speculating that, Okay, this spaceship had
other animals that were up there too, like horses and everything. So why
why did why are they bringing horses to space? I don't know, just
space horses. They're like, well, the monkeys can't fly, We're gonna
try the horses next if they can do it. It's just like the whole
they have an arc essentially they knows are Yeah. I get it's very convoluted
and that that's the stuff I don't like as far as everything that the past,
the future, the present day and stuff. But and I don't mind
it. I was just saying, like, why not just make it earth
like? Like what story? Reason is is? It is making this earth
like worsening the story. I feel like you could have the exact same story.
Same For years, I thought it was the same and it worked for
me. Yeah, up until now I thought that was the case because I
thought the whole thing was like Fade went back in time and just like kind
of changed something in order to make it so that it's it's apes in like
the human seed. So or like I said, to be there could still
be an uprising because that whole city they we're in, you're just telling me
that they're all just going to turn a leaf and be like, oh,
we love humans now, Like you could easily have Faded busts out there and
just be like, these fucking apes are traders, like, don't trust them.
There was a lot of generals, but like I said, I expect
I feel like it not being Earth makes it more confusing now. But yeah,
the thing too just to switch upon that ending. Logistically, there's no
way theyde could have done that. They would have they would have like been
like, holy shit, what's going on? But just like the genetically speaking,
that means all of those apes would have to be like offspring of Fade
because he's the only intelligent and to his zoo and just started populating. He
was just that fucking orgy everywhere. So he went he went back to the
not even Lincoln time, before Lincoln time, He found monkeys, got them
all pregnant, got them talking. Then took over, like he had a
long game plan. Then yeah, and then those monkeys would have to sleep
with other monkeys. But like, yeah, those monkeys that are semi half
intelligent, I guess half breeds you could call him, would have to sleep
with other half breeds. But then the gene pool will be kind of diluted,
I guess a little bit. Uh, but maybe I don't know.
I don't know how that would work. It'd be tricky, like they would
all have to breed with other non genetically related monkeys with themselves, but then
you have gorillas having sex with the orangutangs, and then that's creating offsprings too.
But like, I don't know if you can really have the two breed
unless, of course, like in the movie, we do see like an
ape and a orangutang just fucking getting it on, right. So I remember
seeing that as a kid, being Yes, it's a little much, a
little much for me right there. Just imagine the word of that scene.
It's just like, what the fuck are we getting here? Oh my gosh,
imagine you know this guy. I mean, it's only been a couple
of days, but even all just ran out for like a week, you
know, you and fight this dude. You beat them, and then you
get back to Earth and there's a fucking like that is the perfect long calm
though like as ending Thad, he isn't no what's gonna happen, but and
he's dead at this point, but so he comes back, he fucks over
Earth and then just decades decades later, Leo lands and seas and they'd somewhere
just smiling and monkey hell like, ah, he finally got here, motherfucker.
And you're like, you beat this guy and now he's like Abraham Lincoln,
but your enemy. What a twist? You know? That must suck?
Like are all humans extinct in this world? Do you think? No?
I don't think so. I think they're probably the same thing as like
their versu plan the Apes five con or four Conquest, but it's like the
Apes are humans and the humans are apes, where they're like the maids and
servants and stuff. Do you think I feel like the Apes would treat this
situation very differently because the spaceship is there, they can see it, and
then there is Mark Wahlbrok's characters. I feel like they would He's still humans,
so they would have that disrespect towards him, but I feel at the
same time they'd be like, Okay, this is this is very weird.
My only my only uh. I guess big concern for Mark, marky Mark
in that moment is like because theyde was there kind of Abraham Lincoln, like
he probably made it like very ingrained in Ape society that like there is no
good human. So maybe that's like just translated to where they are now.
So they're just like the enemy eyes landed. If you see this man,
you fucking kill him. Whatever. Decade, like every police department in the
world has a picture of Mark Wahlberg just like if you see him. I
think it would be like Apes, so where there's probably some humans around and
maybe they got trained that all humans are bad. But like you said,
he if one comes from the Cross Sky, they're gonna ask questions. Like
it's like there's gonna be and there would be some sort of oh, I
don't know, because I guess there wouldn't be right because they somehow went back
like past like NASA and like you went to Abraham Lincoln's there. I want
that movie. I want to know what happened. I want the prequel of
Fade Tim Roff get them back in the makeup and see how he did his
slow takeover and stuff. But yeah, I try to get that movie going
right now. Yeah, I appreciate it's like the first one where it's like
it is a twist ending and it's kind of like their verse of like,
oh, we're here all along, and it's like, oh, well we
went to they came to us and stuff, so it's almost like them starting
it again, but instead the apes destroying the earth, they just took over
and their you know, cops and living life and everything. So I like
that we'll get into more that was actually original ending the book, I guess
where he goes back to Earth and it is overrun by monkeys, but it's
their verse where where he left, like Zira and Cornelius, that evolution just
kept going and they eventually got to where humans were in the world, where
like electricity and everything, but just the monkeys doing that instead of the whole
like doctor Zayce didn't jump in a ship behind Taylor and like land before him
and like become Abraham Lincoln, you know, which is also just very on
the nose too, like Abraham like abrahamlet like just said I didn't even know.
I just like, I just feel like, have we not heard that
joke before? Like Abraham Lincoln? Like, I just feel like I don't
know know we heard something similar in what was that Battle for the Planet of
the Apes where it was like ape shall not kill Abe. He's like,
oh, you just spelled ape and then like, no, I didn't.
Cornelius is like, no, I didn't know Cornelius. I think his name
is Cornelius. Uh one, Cornelius. No. In the in the battle
the last one we did, teacher's name was ab Yeah, like ape shall
not kill Abe. So that's probably what you're thinking of. It was such
a dummy although what No, what was I thinking of? What do you
mean by what I was thinking of? Ape? Graham Lincoln? Abe?
No, that's what I was thinking of. Yes's let's move on. What
do you think about Bark Wohlberg? Here? Like I said, we start,
they're just in space doing missions. They revealed there's a monkey. There's
a couple of tests. He had some bad CGI here and there, but
you know it's all right. And like I said, they go to a
storm and they send the monkey out. Ah. But yeah, we get
introduced to we've made a few other human characters, but it's really about him,
and he's just really peeved that he doesn't get to be in the sky
and stuff. Yeah, Marky Mark was one of the one one of the
aspects of this movie that I just really didn't remember. I probably didn't know
who he was at the time when I saw this, so like it's just
generic white dude lead and and that's who it is. And so coming into
it knowing that it was him, I was expecting heavy Boston accent and just
like the sass. I guess that, uh you know, like I just
watched The Departed not too long ago, so like that sort of Mark Wahlberg.
Uh, actually, like which is great, I love him in that
movie, But like I was expecting that like real Boston cop type attitude in
this movie. Yes, maybe it was, I will say, like I
was actually kind of pleasantly surprised that I didn't get that, Like it seemed
like he was going for I gues's just the generic like space guy actually a
character right to know? Yeah, doubt right, It's like the action hero,
but just someone like Mark Wahlberg. I feel like now every time I
see him, I'm expecting like the same character that he is in every single
movie, and this one felt a little bit different. Maybe it is just
because it's earlier in his career two thousand and one, but yeah, like
I don't know he fit the role. It's not not very like a deep
character by any means. He doesn't go through like a lot of growth.
It just seems like the story is kind of happening around him and he's the
one that's taking us along on this journey. And it was good enough for
me. It wasn't my favorite aspect of the movie, but definitely not my
least favorite. Yeah, like I said, there's not much to him,
but that's where I said, you, I wish they would have got somewhat
like Charles Medson's an Academy Award winner and he's a very distinct personality. I
wish they got someone like that. And I got some people in here that
they are looking at. Some are good and some are bad. Like that.
There's one in one of the older movies was like Harrison ford I was
like, fuck, that's perfect Harrison ford Man, that like and that would
have been good. So, like, I guess it's two thousands, so
almost like we were talking about with Triple X and all this stuff, like
the leads were different at that point, but yeah, there's no He's just
a guy that just wants to get back home, even even at the end,
like like they keep trying to force us he's the hero thing. But
when he gets the choice, like in every movie, I feel like when
you do this choice of oh there's a community that thinks you're hero, not
the hero, and then you do a big battle. Then the end when
they're like you could go home, and he's like, but I'm gonna stay
with you. But this is their verse where like you could, you could
stay, and he's like, now I'm gonna go. He's still no matter
what, he wants to get the fuck out of here, Like even she's
just like you, like you don't have to go, you could stay.
He's like, oh, this might be my only chance, but it just
still that means like that means he's never coming back. So it's just it's
a weird hero arc that way, because we always see the opposite wave where
they choose to stay here they find something, But no, he just leaves
with like a woman lady and an ape lady ready to fuck him at any
moment. Which we'll get into at some point. But yeah, he's not
bad per se. It's just that the character's not interesting and he's just being
an action star guy. So there's just nothing there. I think there's some
stuff. I like him seeing his friends with that barbecue. I like when
they're like that you've been gone for like two hundred days or something like or
it was two thousand or something like multiple years. So I liked that aspect.
I liked some of the quickpiness. Like I said, I didn't buy
the stuff he had with the monkey because I felt like they couldn't pick a
lane if he was a mad astronaut or he was really concerned for his monkey.
Uh so it's a dumb reason how he got there. But yeah,
the rest of the movie, he's just kind of he just got around.
He's just our guy to get us through there, and you want to see
him survive because he's not a bad monkey. Right. So something else that
I felt like, I mean, just us discussing it now made me think
more about it, is like they don't really give him a set, like
I guess motivation, Like he's not like Charlton Heston where he's so done with
humanity, like like he you know, like fuck him, like they don't
deserve to live. But he's also not so much like I really like I
have a big fit, Like I have a family on Earth and I have
to get back to. Like it just seems like somewhere in this limbo period
doesn't seem like he has any like things tying him down that he has to
get back to. But but he's also still kind of loyal to just the
military, like he's just like a standard military guy. That's just I'm a
US Air Air Force pilot and I got to go back to get my orders
from my from my captain. Like it's just it's kind of lazy in that
sense because I feel like you can't have a lot of weight in the decision
by the end, because it's like, yeah, he can choose his own
adventure. It doesn't really matter, Like there's nothing really tie him, tying
him in any direction. So I think any decision that he makes in that
moment isn't too surprising. But yeah, just a safe character. I guess
why'd you love him? I mean he just he feels like that classic two
thousands just actually typical guy, right, So he does does he have much
motivations. No, not really, aside from what you said, Kirkland,
He's just he's a military guy and his dude, he's just to kind of
get back to base. I don't blame him. I mean, the only
real motivation he needs to get out of here is the fact that humans are
a minority and these there's apes just walking around that hate human. Yeah,
but it's turning the corner though, right after this war, you know,
after the war. Yeah, but I think he now, if Pericle has
never showed up, it would have been a very different outcome. Oh yeah,
because he he he thought that his his crew, the Aubron was here
to save him. And he gets there and he realizes that everything is not
the way it seems, and so I think the part of him was probably
ready to accept that he was going to be there and stay there. But
then obviously Pericles lands he took way too long to accept that. Like I
feel like he saw the ship and was still looking around hoping. He's like,
hello, like, man, look at this ship like this, there's
no one fucking in. There're all gone, dude, Like uh yeah,
he went on for a good minute. It's like fucking eroded like it's not
even like it's just broke it down. Father time is taking this ship.
But yeah, I'm just I don't know. He could have he could have
stuck around and he could have celebrated the victory, celebrated with both ape and
he's quick female. He didn't want to get his dick wet by the ape
monkey, the ape lady or the like. He he could have three way,
he could add them both, but he was he was just united both
species exactly. He could be Remember how we read about five and the original
planet apes or two that they ken't want to get to that human mutated ape
baby. They almost had it here again, you know, like they could
have had it. So the one girl, she's Brin's the Ascarlett Johansson.
Yeah, definitely so she that was She was definitely a girl that I think
they were trying to make something because I feel like I know she was in
this, She was in kangaroo Jack and she was in something else. Yeah,
that movie pissed me off because I thought that the kangaro talk the whole
time. I know it was just a fucking dream sequence. Such a piss
off man, Fuck that movie, assholes. But yeah, they were definitely
trying to make her into something. And that's what I was gonna say,
Like all these human people, there's way too many of them like that.
With the first one, it's Charlton Heston and Nova and Nova doesn't fucking speak,
so it's just Charlton Heston, her brother, her dad, a couple
other characters. I didn't care for really any of these, and I guess
I guess it was fine because they were leading up to We're gonna do a
war, But I still don't know if you need that many because then you
still have like the four other apes too, Like there's a lot going on.
So the supporting human characters, I really have nothing to say. They
were just there to move the the action forward and just to show like monkeys
being bad, like they're you know, branding them and stuff. But you
guys, are anything to say on the any of our human companions. The
love interest, which I thought there was like zero chemistry, like just like
you just wanted to fuck that's that's yeah. She's been in a cage with
her brother and her dad for years, so she's just like any any guy
that's not blood related. It's like, thank god, you know, I'm
not insinuating she's fucking those two. By the way, I'm saying, like,
cousin Mark Wahlberg, she has someone too fuck before if someone twists that,
we were fucking way al right. The younger brother, I just felt
like he just kind of got in the way. He was just they should
have killed him. He was super he was super into Mark Walberg's character.
But then he rides out on the horse and he falls and gets pinned under
the horse and you just see like the first wave of apes just like on
all fours coming to you, like that's fucking terrifying. But Mark Mark Wahlberg
is running on foot to save him. All the other people of the horses
are like the fuck out here. Like at one point even his sister looks
back in season run, does she go around turn her horse around? No,
She's like, well, I guess my brother's a goner. You know,
Uh yeah. I didn't care for like pretty much any of these humans.
I think they could have been, Like, it's fine having them in
the movie as just like just fucking chop liver for the apes, like the
bottom barrel of society it is. I feel like it's interesting to have them
in there for the story, but the fact that they wanted to have them
on the crew but also just like be nothing. Even though they could speak
and like could formulate ideas, it just seemed like it was a weapon or
not really a weapon. It was a tool that they had, but they
didn't really use it properly in my opinion at all. And yeah, Dana,
I think was the character's name of the blonde lady, And I like,
just what a waste, like like they don't even really do the nova
thing of having somewhere to like pair up with with with our surviving astronaut astronauts
space man. It just I don't know, it's almost again like they needed
a check box of a character like that that was in the original tap in
here, and they I guess checked it, but it was lazy in my
opinion, and they just didn't really provide too much of the overall plot.
So I definitely could have been fine without them, like amongst our our main
crew at least, yeah, because I guess, like honestly, you could
have just made it a couple of them, or you could have just made
it him and Helm bought a carter, which like, yeah, I didn't
you have you have her because what's her name again? What the fuck is
her? Apes? Gonna forget? Ari? Ari and the non scarred Johnson,
they both have scenes where it's just literally Mark Wohlberg's talking to one of
them, and then the other one's off in the distance watching them longingly,
and she's like, what are we? What are we doing here? We
didn't need Ari to have like from moment one he had. He has in
a choke hold and he has the branding thing and he's threatening to kill Ari.
Of course he's not getting interested to get out of there, but she's
like holding on his hand and sniffing him like Fade stole his hand as he
as he has a fucking brandy tool to her face. It's like the secondary
It's like, what now I understand why people think she's the fucking human freak.
You know, it's like day one. She wants to get on Like,
yeah, I didn't like I know, Hessen kissed an ape in the
first movie. That was just like a goodbye, like thanks for help.
This was like a romantic kiss and didn't like that. And I'm I guess
I would have been all right with the Fade and Ri stuff. I had
to take it, but I didn't need I wish what happened there was because
you never get the sense that she's into him at all. It's just always
like it's a one street thing. I wish they were a couple and they
were on different sides, and this was like the breakup because especially at the
end the whole movie, he's just a piece of shit. She's always denying
him. She goes to the camp for what I'm not really sure because he
says, oh, you're gonna trade yourself up for the humans, but if
you I rewound. She never once says that to him. She never once
says that to Mark Wohlberg, because Mark Wolbourg sees her hand and she's like,
yeah, I guess I can't go home now. She never once says
any character that she's there to trade up for the humans. We're just told
this and maybe some fucking adr that's trying to make sense at all. But
then Thede brands her, and then when he gets locked up, he like
goes to the glass and does like the oh, like like he's given her
fuck me eyes. But it's like, why would anybody believe she's gonna open
the door, Like that's why I wish they actually were some sort of couple
before and these politics broke them apart. But uh so that's not great either.
Like I guess, I guess I really would have dropped all the love
stuff from everything, from the humans, from the human apes, from Fade
and her. No, just get rid of that all because none of it
worked and it just felt off and cheesy at times. Yeah, didn't need
to be in there at all. No, I agree, Uh yeah,
Tim Roff, I'm talking about the opening, but yeah, I loved him.
What I love about the character is he is like this fucking crazy psychopath.
He is like the top general. He's after stuff. He's like erratic,
he's unpredictable. But then he's like a scared man slash ape child,
where Like there's so many times where if he gets embarrassed or you've shown like
he's when he shoots the gun, he's like scared. Right at the end,
when he's shaking, he's scared. He's so I just feel like he's
he's definitely tough, he's definitely scary, but I feel like he's even more
so just trying to protrude that out to everybody to not fuck with him.
And then if you do, you're gonna find out that he's not as strong
as he's putting out there. And I really like that that he has this
complex on the outside to just seem like such this strong, unbreakable force,
but really he's pretty fragile, and he's more fragile mine than a lot of
the other apes I feel. But he's just like he's just very cunning.
So that's where it's like, Okay, you can't trust him. He could
just kill you it anymore like those poor apes doing a good job, or
those gorilla is doing a good job something crash Land the fucking jungle, Like,
hey man, come on here, let's show you. He just fucking
destroys them, you know, just destroys them. So no, I agree.
I think it makes him a lot more interesting, the fact that he's
not just like a big, hulking gorilla man that like no one can even
like physically impose on him. Like he's small, he's very hunched over,
he's got a terrifying face, and he definitely exudes that uh, just that
menace. But like there's bigger there's bigger cats, you know in the armory
that that could definitely out physical him. But he definitely is just portraying that
that don't fuck with me attitude. But I like that by the end he
is like shivering in the corner, shivering whimpering. I guess it doesn't look
cold, whimpering in the corner, And and just many moments when he like
he kind of maybe maybe he's showing h like the lack of knowledge, so
therefore he's scared of certain things and is not willing to to accept any of
those things. So like he just I don't know, he made he made
for a really good villain. I do remember the character obviously, just he
was he was so terrifying from back in the day, but I didn't really
just know that the depth of the character, the whole love thing with ari
uh and him him like the line he's like, you're obsessed with the humans,
but you reject me, and he's just like he's like this just man,
Like, I didn't need that at all, but you kind of already
spoke to that, So I definitely agree through there. And uh, just
Tim Roth's performance man like, yeah, man, I love Tim Roth.
He's fantastic. Yeah, even too when they leave and Michael Clerk Duncan's like
she left with the humans, and he's like, that couldn't be she left
willingly. They must have took her against her will. It's just so like
it's black and white. This is in the situation. Yeah. Another point
to him like whimper, which is fine because like I get it because his
dad passed away. But I like that. They're like he's he's curled up
with the gun. He's whimpering because his dad has passed away. It's done,
just like I have the gun. And he's like he's fucking like I'm
gonna go out there and like I'll bend you father. He's like sad.
He feels like a little alone because it does feel that he has lined to
everybody. Like with Michael Clark Duncan's character, he tells him he's his friend
just to like I think, just to like have him closer. I don't
think they're actually friends, you know. I think he's just saying that.
But it actually felt like him and his dad had a real inner circle.
They could actually trust each other. So once he's gone, I feel like
they it feels like he's pretty lonely in that sense, but he's just gonna
do it by fear and everything. And he knows these lies as well,
so I do appreciate that he has to. He tries to assassinate the Pericles
or where the fucking monkey is, Like the second he season, he just
zeros in on him and just like so there's a moment too that Pericles lands
and that stops the war because they all like you know, get on their
knees, like, oh my god, this is our God. Right,
It's like if Jesus wants to get resurrected, comes from spaceship, there's a
UFO meet my new friends, joh but with Pericles. He gets and they
walk up and he's going to teach these apes about the evolution, okay,
And there's a moment then he starts to reach into his bag. Was I
wrong that he was reaching for a gun? Like what was he reaching for?
He's definitely grabbing the gun. So he's reaching for the gun and then
Pericles runs away. He runs into the Pericles and Tim rolfrunds after a big
fight. Right, but like, what was his plan? Was his plan
just to take out the gun and start murdering all the apes, because I
think that's what it was. And what was Apparently he's gonna do in this
situation if he sees his owner slash friend just shooting down all these monkeys from
like what was his plan because he was grabbing the gun, So yeah,
my my thought would and I don't know if this is right, but in
a way to defend that scene, I think it's just to have that like
that one up if it comes to it, like maybe keep in his back
pocket. If they doesn't want to accept the peace treaty, just fucking cap
them right there, I guess. But like even then if he just marks
fade with a gun, like what does the other apes think in that moment?
Like I guess piece isn't an option, like you just murdered our general,
But I don't know. It is a weird moment. And that gun
ain't big enough to kill mall. You know, you can definitely kill a
couple, but they're eventually gonna outnumber you and stuff, So which sucked.
They had that gun to be in the movie, but then the uh that
one gorilla broke it, so that could gave him a big event. She
might still be alive if he didn't break that gun. Yeah, didn't want
to use it against me, Yeah, but cool showdown. I like that
where they just classic movie find each other and more they're both kicking people's ass
and Monoemno, I would like to go on a little longer. But that's
a sea that I remember sticking with me because this is just very violent that
he just fucking just in caves his chest and the murders him and this guy
that he considers used to be his friend. It's like, yeah, Jesus
fuck, it was dark. No. I really liked that little It's like
a samurai showdown where they you know, they take off their weapons and just
go mono amano. And I agree it should have gone longer. I was
I did not remember Buddy just getting murked by by atar. I guess his
name is Michael Clark Duncan's character. And it's funny too. How like,
probably ten minutes after that moment, Michael Clark Duncan is just like one of
the homies and he's like he's like standing over as they're like burying that guy.
It's just like this whole thing could have been avoided. He's giving Yeah,
he's giving a whole speech like we will mark the graves well more in
all them human and ages. But it's just like yeah, it never that's
where it's like, take all the love stuff and give me stuff throughout the
movie of his character maybe second thinging that's like maybe thinking we're going too hard,
maybe he's suspecting fades lying, but no, it's just literally like if
this monkey didn't come from the sky, he was still down just to eradicate
the human race and get rid of that population. And for that reason,
he seems like a bit of a dumb character. I think there's a lot
of potential to even just have him second guessing the loyalty of like that other
character that that he murdered. Don't remember his name, but like, like
that could just be an interesting dynamic because it is said very quickly that they
were friends and the other guy was kind of the I guess the general of
the army in that sense. But yeah, we wasted it on some weird
orgy scenes. Not actually but almost any thoughts on I mean, as I
said before, or he just he terrified me. He was the way he's
moving and yeah, sniffing in his mannerisms and whatnot, just absolutely scary.
And that's something that'll always stick with me as a kid having seen him in
just all that pure terror and horror and whatnot. But yeah, he's he's
an interesting character. I liked the dynamic he had with his father, and
I liked that his father had that moment with him where he passed on information
about what humans are capable of and all that jazz. Just his his hatred
for for humans is just crazy. But yeah, he's just alluded to earlier
on where I think it was who was it was it Atar's former general,
the guy I think that they'd kind of kicked out of the military. Someone
You've named them incorrectly because Atar is Michael Clark Duncan, right. Yeah,
yeah, so I mean I mean like his his general, like his former
general, because that guy that other girl used to be his his boss sort
of speak. So there was someone I can't remember who it was that said
this line to Mark Wahlberg's character that Thede will just keep coming for you,
He'll never stop, and that that holds true. It goes to other planets
to follow you. But Krawl, yeah, he will go to other planets
and just he'll have a two hundred year game plan. Krawl was the name
of the nice old general k r U l L, which I liked he's
like a I like this kind of almost silent, almost Ronan type of character.
I'm not saying it just because of the nationality actor, but just like
that's what I felt like they gave. And there's many times he was just
like off the side where the crew was hanging out or sleeping or going camping
or not just have a campfire, not going camping, but he would just
be off in the side, just like staring down taking looks. I liked.
I liked him, and it was shame he didn't make it to the
New fucking Human Ape Revolution and everything, so because he would have been like
an early adopter of that. He like he was definitely going with the flow,
helping like staying loyal to Ari of course, and helping out the humans.
Near the end, he's just buried in some unmarked grave. The other
thing too, with Fade, and I think you guys already mentioned this,
just the absolute terror whim those two guards, you guys said, we're doing
the right thing. Going to get Fade and show him the wreckage. Faid
goes there and like he like touches both their chests as he walks behind them,
and then he pulls out his little fucking blades, and he just like
screams and like jumps thirty feet in the air and just is like ah,
just fucking pounding them in his chest in their chests. Just absolutely terrifying.
Shit his tact technique, man, when he just screeches and leaps from like
twenty feet away. That's bold, but also not the way you want to
go out too. You turn around and just see Fade and the s guy
yelling at you, screeching that you'll just be petrified, so you'll you'll lose,
you won't be able to do anything right. It's true. Yeah,
you gotta get those blades aut in the Assassin's Creed, you know. Oh
yeah, no kidding, Planet the Apes movie, Yeah, fuck, that's
when I'll get back on the series. I would if they, if there's
a game, send Planet Apes. But you're in Assassin going back to like
kill these monkeys, so fuck yeah jump. That would be like you have
all these historical sassery game. Just like their first trailer showing off, it's
like, fucking here we are Planet the Apes. Well, what they do
is they find it amnuus what do they call the amulus or whatever? Animis?
Animis this one goes in the future and they say, oh, we've
seen that the apes take over and you got to go there and prevent it.
That's what it is, like your ancestor you know, everything like that.
What were you saying about killing those guys. Well, I don't feel
like Faid needed to actually kill them because they were so loyal to to Fade,
right, But I guess he just wanted to keep it a secret.
He didn't like to trust him, So yeah, he didn't trust them.
That's why. As soon as you said, like, you did the right
thing, and then you like and then yeah, like he brushes their cheeks
or whatever the fuck you. I'm like, he's gonna fucking kill them.
And then it like there's like a slight delay. I'm like, oh,
maybe he's not gonna kill them. And then he pulls out those glaves or
whatever the hell they are. I'm like, oh, fuck, okay,
here we go. And then yeah, he just leaves twenty feet in the
air. And yeah, man, like the whole leaping thing like with apes
and stuff, Like, I know they're athletic, but I don't think they
just leap like that, Like that's that's a bold decision. And theyde amongst
all of them is like a lemur. He is leaping everywhere in this movie.
There's a moment I forget who he's talking to. It might be when
he's actually talking to Ari, but yeah, he's like in the city and
he just turns over and he just fucking leaps off the ledge and I just
like, yeah, I just belly laughed. I thought it was the most
just shocking thing I'd ever seen. It was it was. It was quite
funny. Yeah, because they get an argument about like why you should not
spend time with humans and me and like his her dad clearly knows she has
no interest in him, but like literally they looks over and he's like,
yeah, go try to like have sex with my daughter or whatever. And
then yeah, they just like do they have his horse always parked on her
balconies so he can just jump off them. The bodyguards like looking up in
the air, like trying to guide the horse, make sure to the right,
because if he missed us, he's gonna fucking kill us. I already
did hear what happened to Jimmy and Tom. He took his fucking clay things.
But he show him I don't know what he show him. They've just
been missing, you know. So yeah, yeah, but yeah, I
would not want to fight him, you know. Like Luckily, I love
the ending. I love that they lock him in, and I love when
the gun shoots and all the sparking. Li I love that. I don't
know why keeps running up and down the wall so much, but I do
love the way that they take him out, and uh yeah, I enjoy
that. Again, I'm curious of I guess with the ending, he got
out of there somehow, so I want to see, like was he just
he got out and he must have like leaped right away because he had to
leap from all those humans. He was just leaping back. He Yeah,
he left on the horse ride back, got that spaceship. Probably what he
did they got to the water, grabbed them, left and just like pulled
the thing with them, and then he went to space. But apes can't
swim. That's like another thing that doesn't make sense. Yeah, how did
he do that? And that's like you said, he just sinks, grabs
the ship and leaps. Was the leaped, Yeah, of course he could
leap. Why are we talking monster legs? That guy? Oh his thighs
treat trunks. Yeah, Paul Gimanni great in this movie. You know,
I don't think it makes sense for the character when the humans escape for this
character. Everything they set up for him to be actually the jungle hunting them
down. Like all Wes see the be them first act is him having multiple
people bring him stuff, like he doesn't look like the guy that would have
gone hunting. But he's great. He fully commits. I love him.
He's like, for the most part, I think the comedic comedy or the
comedic relief hits. And I think this one's premierly actor because I think there's
enough lines there that aren't good. If it's someone lesser than it wouldn't be
as good. But Paul Gimanni delivers, and he's a fun character. And
I kind of like at the end when he does join our humans and he's
like, well they're just they're not gonna except me now and he helps them
out like a little bit. But yeah, I really like that character.
He's just like a nice greaseball character. He looks disgusting, terrible teeth and
again like Ari's just using sex as a as a weapon against him. When
she buys Mark Wahlberg and New Nova whatever her name, is it's like,
I think we can come to arrangement. And he does like like a weird,
like a very strange monkey noise, but it's it's like quiet because he's
just panty like he's just like pre coming in the moment and then yeah,
they just they just it's just so weird. But I did like him as
as the sleeves ball character, and like that was early on in the film
and when he's just like I guess taking Mark Wahlberg and the rest of the
slave humans, and in that moment, I'm like, Wow, what a
different movie these are compared to the sixties era. I did like some of
the like buying them for pets and stuff like that, and that was sad
when the baby got you know, separate, but they got her back.
But yeah, are they just see that Ari just like did do some sex
stuff with him because he did get I guess they ran. But was she
gonna because she did take them and that's what her deal was, right,
so it was they never she never like outsmarted him. So I don't know,
just I don't know, a little weird there, but you know,
it is what it is. So there's any Yeah, any thoughts on any
characters there you want to bring up. I mean Paul's character. Yeah,
just he's first yeah, first name basis, he's a slaver, and it's
just funny how it's funny story transitions. Well, it's funny because he turns
from being someone who hated the humans to turning into someone that he's caught with
the humans. The apes are actually trying to like hurt him or detain him,
and so he just says, I don't even need those cuffs. No
more paraphrasing, but he acknowledges the fact that he's now considered the enemy,
and that just goes kind of hand in hand because we don't ever have any
mention of ape won't kill ape that low they it's definitely not doesn't No,
no faith's all for that. Anything else specifically character to shout out of character
applowis. I have some other notes, but anything that we haven't touched upon.
Talked about the ending, but I have more to say about the ending
and some trivia here. So talked about the love triangles. They kind of
make Ari and that scarlet your hands and girl not like each other till the
end, and then Ari Saser so good for that such a weird dynamic.
Yeah, but yeah, anything else, I don't think of anything. I
really like the score. Actually, this one stood out to me. It
it didn't seem like anything like original, but it just it just felt like
it was hitting in the right moments, whether they're doing battles, it was
definitely lifting it up. And maybe that's just something that's kind of I don't
even know, Like I don't want to say upgraded from the older films,
because the older films definitely have something special about the first movie score. I
remember, yeah, banger, Yeah, absolutely, it's a banger. But
yeah, there's just I don't know it was. It just definitely was hitting
in the right spots and made me notice it more so other films can of
another juice in this era, I don't I don't know where to win.
Not only he has the juice anymore, but he certainly had it at this
point. So a few just notes I had throughout was we got the dropping
on, what's that smell that will come geek for his fans. You'll get
that one day in one of our films. But I just wants that smell
and he's like human and you know, they beat him up on them yeah,
which I found it weird that he was even willing to like adopt it,
like the child, like the child wanted one. Right, No,
it was his niece. Oh, it was his niee. So it wasn't
at his house. It was in his sister's house. So that he's just
like shitting on the smell of humans, yet he's allowing a human to enter
his home. It just it seems strange, but okay, good explaining.
Yeah, so he had that go on. And there's an example that first
movie, the Capture of the Humans with the Apes, ten times better than
this movie. Like it's just very it's quick, and it just doesn't have
the same intensity. But there is one moment I love in there when they
find the little kid. They just chuck her and then they catch her with
a sack just very like not comedic, but comedic in the sense of just
and then they tire up, you know, just in a bag. So
oh and then when they did get the gun, he reminded me of your
guys' favorite Predator at first when he held the gun, because he got it
and he was holding like this for a bit and then yeah, I thought
he was gonna do it. Kill a shot yeah, uh, some trivia
here. Mark Wahlberg joined the film after meeting Tim Burton for only five minutes.
He was anxious to work with Burden that he agreed to play any part
a war work dropped out of the role, and Ocean's eleven, which is
it's interesting that's met Damon Roll. So yeah, I'm sure he I love
that happened too, but I'm sure he probably wishes the other way around,
you know, which, same thing. I'm not sure about Tim Roff with
Snape. I'm not sure if it was a thing where it's like you might
not want to do five movies or whatnot whatever they're talking about. And plus
two, you got to think at that point, plan the Apes the first
one, this classic film, they're remaking it. I could see being like,
ah, like it's this book series, but planning the Apes or remaking
it, like I gotta do play Apes, you know, That's what I
was thinking, Like just seeing Wahlberg in this movie, like it's been thirty
years since Apes has been back, and oh my, that was just such
a major major franchise. That'd probably be like a lot of hype around this
film, absolutely because what was the budget for it? It was it was
not too bad. So it was a hundred million, Yeah, one hundred
million, but I think it made like three sixty or something like that,
so sixty two, yeah, yeah, which and is a bit better back
then because it's like they had a lot more in DVDs and stuff. It's
interesting that it was the top ten that year. At one point it had
like one of the biggest openings for Fox, but the the and they signed
the actors on for sequels. I think I have it somewhere here, but
they literally just didn't do it because the reception of the movie wasn't good,
so it wasn't even like a money thing. They just felt like, we're
not gonna go forward same thing. At one point. Yeah, it seems
like it's an abnormal thing these days. Well that's like, oh yeah,
that's these days. That's old Hollywood, where it's like, oh, we
got away with one, let's not let's not try it again, you know,
but nowadays like well made money, as we'll try. Tim Roth suffered
extensively in the role of General Thad. He didn't orthade. I don't know
why I say that. He didn't mind the hours and hours spent in the
makeup chair, but he found the costume extremely constricting. You know, shit
like look at that armor. By the end of the shoot he had trapped
nerves. And two he radiated vertebrae in his back, so like herniated.
Yeah it didn't, it does say it does hernate. Thank you the RS
or the end of the R. It's late here folks were looking like two
RS. So, yeah, that's that's fucked up. That's a lot of
damage to his body. He took. It's just for that role. I
guess he's hunched over a lot of the rule. That's why they costume.
Tim Burton said he'd rather jump out a window than direct a sequel to this
film, and this was part of the thing. Let's yeah. The production
was a difficult experience for Tim Burton was largely contributed to the Fox adamant released
date of July two thousand and one, which meant that everything from pre production,
editing, and visual effects was worked rush. Mark Wahlberg was talking to
MTV and said he hadn't seen the new one yet this back in two thousand
and one, to his love Story. He said they didn't have a they
didn't have the scriptwriting. Fox Studios had a release date before Tim Burton had
a foot on the film, either pushing him and pushing him the wrong direction,
you know that Tim Doods thing. So it sounded like it was like,
let's do apes. Yeah great, and then once he signed on,
they're like, you gotta hit this date no matter what. And it sounds
like it was not a good, uh working relationship here, which you know,
I think maybe some stuff shows that, but there's other stuff where I
think it was just gonna be bad no matter what. But let's see,
Johnny Depp and Dan and day Lewis were considered for the role of Fade,
so that would have been that would have been interesting. Johnny Depp is what
you just said, Johnny Tapp? Yeah, stayed good thing. He did
a Pirates in a couple years instead. But so during the film's early development,
and this is what I was talking about there, it started developing an
eighties So that's why this makes sense. Harrison Ford, Kevin cost and pastic
Sways were all talking about for the lead role at one point, so that
kind of makes sense. And I actually think Harrison Ford, like comparing to
Charlton Heston, I think he actually is gonna like our Charlton Heston in a
way like they just had like very specific vibes, big dudes, you know,
very handsome, that old school handsome, So that would make sense.
Patrick Swayzey and Kevin cost I really couldn't stand it. And then when they
were making this film, the leads that they were considering other than Mark Wahlberg
was Matt Damon, which is would have been funny. It's some good what
if if Matt Damon did this and Mark Wahlberg did the Levin's film. Ben
Affleck was another one, and then Leonardo Dicapro was the other one as well.
So I think got of those like Leo would have been the best.
But I still feel like they needed And that's why I'm trying to think,
like back the Stars into the two thousands, like you needed a Heston.
I don't know if they had someone like that that's just very cares Like.
I'm not trying to say. I'm not saying Ben Affleck, Matt Damon,
Leo aren't charismatic. It's just I feel like there's certain types of charismaic,
not like Heston is just a character him himself as a person, just a
character. So it's like just put him on a beach and you're gonna be
entertained where the other people need roles. So like, yeah, I don't
know, let's see the cast sign up for a sequel, but yeah,
cancelation out the film's poor recession by critics. The widely reviled ending is actually
fairly true to the ending of the novel, in which the human protagonist finds
a ship and escapes. They plan together with the native human female Nova.
Uh. They of course, they set a course to Earth, and due
to traveling near light speed, many centuries have pass and Earth has evolved into
an eight dominated society. The DVD and papers notes of a clue of this
lodger for the movie ending, so they've they've kind of floated out there.
But yeah, that is I guess the ending of the book still, so
that he goes back and does that, which I kind of get to why
the movie didn't do that, because I feel like back in the Charlton Heston
days, that would have been a lot of budget to do an entire world
of apes and buildings and everything. So let's see. Uh, oh no,
hang on, give me, let's see, okay, and then so
I gotta go back and find the directors. I'll let you guys want to
do one year overalls while I find that one. Okay. I was just
gonna say when I was doing do some google in here and I just pull
up like this image and there's some good in it for sure, But my
god, that one on the right is like, that's a that's a rom
com in the making, some weird interspecies. Yeah, ok, Jesus,
I buy you enough time. Oh you moved? Yeah, I just had
to put this guy on. Oh yeah, oh there we go. Oh
man, there's a couple of times. What up, jez, I gotta
find the list of people. There's a I had a list of all the
directors at there. What about that opening though? That opening sequence, very
very early two thousands, like it almost made me think of like Spider Man
actually, just like the we're going on and they open up? Yeah,
I know, I was like, what the heck are they doing here?
Directors involved in pre production over the years, Alan Rifkins, Sam I'm Raymie,
Philip Norris, Chuck Russell, Chris Columbus, Rollin, Emeric Michael Bay,
Sir Peter Jackson, and the Hughes brothers. In nineteen ninety three.
Oliver Stone was originally considered to direct this film and had signed an executive producer
and wanted Arnold Schwartzenegger and the lead role. James Cameron had then signed on
to executive produced and write the film, but dropped out in nineteen ninety seven.
And also, if you go to Wikipedia and look at it, they
were making a game on the James Cameron movie version, and then when that
movie didn't happen, they stopped making the game. But there was a game
in Defelment before that. So but yeah, it looks like the one that
got furthest along was the one with Arnold, which so like this movie would
be better if it was Arnold because that's like that's where it's like the Charlton
Heston thing, where it's like that's a guy that just has like a certain
charisma. Now I don't know if Arnold in a monkey like a planting this
movie is a good idea, because I just feel like that could lead us
some very comedic things. But I feel like that's the type of star,
so I would have preferred that Overmark Well obviously two thousand and one, I
don't think he was doing that. He's getting ready run for governor and stuff.
But well you said, like the it started nineteen eighty eight or something
like that, So it first started, yeah what air, Like what period
would have that been, like early nineties maybe mid nineties, probably mid nineties
when he was like hot hot too, like he was you know, predator
or terminate or everything like that. True lies, you know, like that's
why it's all in that era for him. So it's interesting too just some
of the other directors that you're talking about there, Like it seems like for
a lot of them, this is like peak of their career, like like
Chris Columbus, that's the chap that did like Harry Potter right, like the
first handful of the Home Alone, you know, like oh we did okay,
yeah yeah, and then like Peter Jackson obviously ramping up. Well actually
that would have been the same time as Lord of the Rings, so well
this comes at the same year as Fellowship. Wow. Yeah, some really
interesting What was some of the other ones on there, Sam Amy, Amy,
he Don spider Man, Michael Bay I don't know what Michael Bay.
I think he was just doing like the Rock and stuff like that. But
yeah, like all them, like there's a there's a chance we don't get
the Lord of the Rings the way we get it if he does plan,
you know, so it's plan. The Apes could have changed a lot of
things. It could have not had Titanic happen for James Camera, which was
huge, So single single most impactful movie franchise of all time for that.
Yeah. Oh and then finally, one of the considered innings was Captain Leo
crash landing on a Yankee stadium seeing Apes playing baseball. This season originally suggested
in nineteen ninety five for one of the sequels, but they didn't do it
for budgetary reasons. Timber And wanted to do it, but they didn't do
it for a budgetary He wanted the baseball, he did. He wanted the
baseball. So with Abraham Lincoln, Yeah, how would fade would have been?
Like shown there? You think the present fades in the box and he's
just like he's still running staring at Leo like plating that leaps screeches, yet
he's fully dressed like a president. Nice. He s a hard cut to
credits. Leo will return in did you feel final thoughts? Yeah, this
this movie has major gaps in the story at times, just trying to figure
out how the time travel works and whatnot. But all in all, I
think it's it's a it's a good time. I am very biased and partial
for those two thousand actiony flicks like You're Underworlds and of course this Plade.
Hellboy, there's so many of those those films that would just hit, Oh,
there's dping going on in this film, travels coming on, Yeah,
I guess so there was. So I I will happily rewatch this film again
in the near future, and it's been so long since I've actually rewatched it,
so I'm glad that this retrom has presented the opportunity to indulge in it
again. So hopefully, hopefully we would see some form of the APE remake
in the future where they decide to tackle the practicality and do the makeup and
everything again like this. Well, I don't think they ever will. You
don't think they ever will. No, not the way Holly. Probably too
expensive, Yeah, I just think expensive work. They would just like we're
going to the fucking generation where they're like, oh, like companies were talking
with AI. You think AI is gonna be like, go spend money and
make the like no, I think it's we're gonna get more of that.
And again, I still look, I still like the look of the new
movies, but I definitely still prefer And there's some things you couldn't have done
with the new like you couldn't have like a child actor do a full movie,
which we had some child actors and monkey stuff. But I don't I
don't know if it would happen. I really don't. Yeah, I guess
make a point, it's a shame because I think it has it has that
quality to it, something something there, and like you were saying before,
like you can you can see the difference, like with the Hobbit, for
example, you can tell those orcs are c g I and like Lord of
the Rings where like you can touch these orcs, but I digress, don't
touch them. You can sniff them too. The Yeah, I gotta,
unfortunately watch the Hobbits again because the kids want to watch them, so kids
I want. Yeah. Gwen asked me, like, why is there not
more Lord of the Rings films. I had to explain, Well, there's
just these three books, and I could have but like I was, like,
she's showing interest in low It's not like cars or something, but it's
like she's showing interest in Lord of the Rings, like hey, like they're
still getting off and it's age. No. I I told her about that.
I said, we're gonna watch Hobbit and then she's older, but I
did Prepper and say, there's lots of talking Rings of Power, so I
don't know if you enjoy it, but that's why we'll watch Hobbits. And
for the first time ever, I'm gonna watch the Hobbity extended editions. I've
never have, so I'm like, fuck it, if I'm gonna watch them
again, let's try them out. So I feel long. I feel long.
I feel like the only the Racials fell long already. The only exten
edition Hobbit film that I actually like is about all the Five Armies, just
because you get some cool extra like fight scenes. But there's some weird shit
though, yeah they do. But I'm sure at this age she'll like it
more than me. She again also her favorite character, So you got that,
you got legalists, you got a female el from there, you got
Bilbo galms in their bit. And I think kids will like the Dwarves too,
so I think it'll be a fun time watching them but I'm like,
yeah, there there is some more, but what's your rating on this tailor?
I would probably go, I mean, I was just having such a
good time watching this, I'd probably go like an eight out of ten.
To be honest, it's not perfect because in that respect, I really wanted
the sequel. I really wanted them to explain a little bit more about how
the time travel really worked. And it's just convoluted. But at its core,
it's just your It's your classic two thousands action packed flick. And so
I'm biased and I'm gonna give at that eight out of ten because it's it's
a it's a damn good time and I got happy memories when I whenever I
think about this film, Wow, I'll go six point seven five because you
more than I thought. Yeah, I enjoy it, but there's still just
stuff that's just bad about it. So and seven just because seven is like
in the Guilty Pleasure where I will watch it again and I will like its
at the beginning of this, but I just don't know if I can get
to the exact seven because I feel like that's a certain class and I don't
think I'll be watching this all the time I'll just probably watch again sooner than
I did before because I didn't enjoy But yeah, it's six point seven five.
I think that's what you watch it with your kids. No, no,
we didn't watch. Uh. They watched the first plan the Apes enjoyed
it for like a little bit and then there's too much talking. So no,
I was slow one too. Like the opening, they were fully in
and then when it was just like that for another like twenty minutes, then
they were out. They're like, hey, we're down with them, and
they get butt ass naked and go swimming in the pool. Yeah, that's
the first naked butt band. They gotta see his child and as friends.
But yeah, I know a Lord of the Rings. Surprisingly they may they
made it through all them. There's some talking in there, but Hellester Passer.
Yeah, I was thinking like six out of ten, but I think
I'm gonna go up to six and a half mostly just for the actual like
practical look of the Apes. I think that's worth a full half point up
at least they It just looks so fantastic and it holds up to this day.
And yeah, no, like this movie's all about apes, and all
the Apes looked really really good and just the attention to detail on differentiating the
gorillas. The orangutans. Didn't love Ari's hair, but it's also like very
fitting for that time, like the early two thousands. That seems like an
early two thousands hairstyle, So I guess it it works out there. And
I also just we didn't really talk about it too much, but I just
kind of liked the look of Ape Kingdom or whatever it was called. It
just seemed like a dark town where stuff's going on, And yeah, I
liked it up there. A lot of d pen for sure, especially when
they're just they have like a montage on them escaping, just going through people's
rooms. Just people are up to no good. Yeah, no, absolutely,
not like those people that were about to bone, Like you don't even
lock the door. Right back to the guy with the dentures and the hair
piece. Fuck. Yeah, that's the one thing that we had a lot
of it. I feel like they did it a little bit in the originals,
but this was a lot of oh stuff that's happening in the two thousands,
and the Apes are doing this in their own way, like the dentures
and stuff. So well, ladies, gentlemen, we are done with the
two thousand and one Plan, the Apes Retrospective. All the links are down
below. You didn't do any of those, but you know you'll know how
to fun and let us do what you thought. And then yeah, next
up we'll be starting the Circus trilogy, the one closer to home here,
but next will be Rise the Plan the Apes where the adding Circus to John
Lyftgow and James Franco. So yeah, it should be interesting. One.
I haven't done that on cast, so yeah look up for that one.
Promise you it will not be boring. Mum, oh god, crying