WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.919 Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason this week covering Our Flag Means Death 2 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:17.160 Season two episode one, Impossible Birds. Welcome back to spacing Now. I'm 3 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:22.160 BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing Our Flag Means Death one episode 4 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:25.640 at a time, spoiler free. 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So if this is your first time watching and you don't want any 14 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:59.600 spoilers, you'll just need to skip that clearly marked section, Otherwise we won't 15 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:03.679 be spoil anything past this episode, which is Our Flag Means Death Season two 16 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:08.920 episode one Impossible Birds. This originally aired on October fifth, twenty twenty three, 17 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:12.480 about a year and a half after the show ended season one. This 18 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:18.040 is written by David Jenkins and Alyssa Lane and Alex Sherman, and directed by 19 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:21.959 David Jenkins. He's also the creator of the show. In this episode, 20 00:01:22.519 --> 00:01:26.599 the crew of the Revenge have been rating ships regularly due to Blackbeard's increasingly erratic 21 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.680 demands. When Izzy brings up Steve, Ed shoots him in the leg and 22 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.719 names Frenchy's new first mate. Steve and his crew have taken up residents on 23 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.599 the Republic of Pirates and are working at Spanish Jackie's. Richard Baines, a 24 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.040 minor noble turned pirate, tells Steve about a Roman puzzle chess in Jackie's possession. 25 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:46.040 Steve and the crew are caught trying to steal it. A local soup 26 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.040 vender named Susan suddenly arrives and buys both the chests and the crew from Jackie. 27 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:53.640 Susan is then revealed to be Jong Sal pirate queen and conqueror of China. 28 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:57.519 I hope I was somewhat close on her name. You forgot the ye 29 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.879 well, I basit on how I heard Auntie say it. Oh, so 30 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:07.680 that's the only reference point I had. I got it. Vibe check. 31 00:02:08.560 --> 00:02:14.080 Did we like the episode overall? How does it stand the test of time? 32 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:16.520 But vibe check is before Trivia. Oh, you're right, you're right. 33 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:22.319 It's my first day. This is a fun episode to come back to, 34 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:27.080 and it's really good. It's juicy. Yeah, and it really it 35 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.919 makes a lot out of the bad situation of Ed Insteed. Yeah, it's 36 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:38.199 really interesting to see the juxtaposition of experiences between the two characters and how they're 37 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:42.280 dealing with their separation. Yeah, and how that carries down to their crew 38 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:45.759 as well. Yeah. So yeah, I think it's a really strong opener. 39 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:50.800 Yeah, it's really good, Like it's after a year waiting, it's 40 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:55.759 so like wanted and when you finally get it, it's so satisfying to have 41 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:00.719 this as your first episode. It answers a lot of question uestions, but 42 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:05.120 it also leaves things to be built up, so very good world building. 43 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:07.960 Yeah, and it sprinkles in some new characters, so we can see that, 44 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:12.240 like there's some new dynamics coming for the season. So yeah, it's 45 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:19.800 fun trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Impossible Birds. A set 46 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:23.840 photo was published proving that the intervention scene was originally longer and involves Frenchy holding 47 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:28.639 Izzy's hand. In the scene with Spanish, Jackie's husband has shown that two 48 00:03:28.719 --> 00:03:31.439 of them are trans This was confirmed on Instagram by Finnhunter, who played one 49 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:36.400 of them. The other is played by Hayden Bryant. Set decorator Lindsay Cantrell 50 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:40.080 published the photo of the backside of Blackbeard's wanted poster, providing a full list 51 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:45.000 of his crimes, which include climate change denial, wearing a wig as a 52 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:49.919 hat, flash mobbing and prisoning a cat atheism, communism which is about one 53 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:53.080 hundred and thirty years before the idea of communism was created, and witchcraft, 54 00:03:53.159 --> 00:04:00.599 plagiarism, improper citations and an academic document and ekin traffic. I don't know 55 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:02.280 what that is. I've never heard of it, so that's just the fun. 56 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:06.280 The art department has Guz Khan, who portrayed Ivan, did not return 57 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:10.360 for season two. He said the decision was not his, rather, it 58 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:14.439 came from executives and there was no clear reason given, and they did allude 59 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:16.639 to him dying or something. Right, Yeah, it's just a quick line 60 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:21.079 from Fang saying that Blackbeard didn't care that Ivan died. Yeah, that's all 61 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:26.600 we get about that. The second season's release came shortly after the twenty twenty 62 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:31.279 three Writers Guild strike and during the Sagafra, after a strike leading to a 63 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.839 lack of promotional materials by the cast and crew. Yeah, they couldn't post 64 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:40.759 anything relating to production. So I think that's what killed it in a lot 65 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:45.240 of ways, very possibly. I remember you said that once the the strike 66 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:47.680 was a deal was made, like there was a flood of content for everyone 67 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.879 because they've been holding onto it. It looked like they had so much fun 68 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:55.920 on set too. Yeah, we got like that post credit scene which seemed 69 00:04:55.920 --> 00:05:04.000 like just improving from Vico from Vico the Deep Sea Dive. Let's break down 70 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:09.040 some of our thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us 71 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:14.279 through email or social media. We may use your comments on an upcoming episode. 72 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:19.279 So this episode starts off with the beautiful reunion of Blackbeard and Steed after 73 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:24.319 Steed takes down Izzy and all is right in the world, and then we 74 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:31.040 turn out it's just a dream that's interrupted by farts, likely John's gas. 75 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:38.360 Good old fart jokes. Yeah, it seemed too good to be true that 76 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:43.120 Steve Bonnet could grow a perfect beard and beat up Izzy, and that Blackbeard 77 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.240 would just run into his arms on that beach when they made impact. It 78 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:50.319 was so funny that they like knocked each other down. Yeah, so I'm 79 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:54.839 glad they shot that, Like we got that. That was like the dream, 80 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:58.879 right, that's very much what we wanted for this to happen. But 81 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:03.879 then we cut to reality and you're in a small little room full of dirty 82 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:11.879 men. Yes, they're all upset about you, crying about your boyfriend and 83 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.600 crying about the farting. They're just trying to sleep because they've been working at 84 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:21.720 Spanish Jackies from like seven to nine or something stupid. Yeah, so since 85 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:28.079 we saw a Steed renounce all of his wealth in the previous episode, he 86 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:30.439 and his crew have nothing. Yeah. I like that they kept that as 87 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:35.959 an art that continued, so that there was consequences to his actions, because 88 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:40.439 in a different show, it would be like, oh, they're magically back 89 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:45.560 on the ocean looking for black Beard or something. Yeah, it's interesting that 90 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.319 they all stuck together, like no one went out to like find a new 91 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:53.480 crew to join or anything. Well Swede did well. Swede was like chosen, 92 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:59.120 Yeah, he was chosen. That was part of the bargain for them 93 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:02.160 working at Spanis and Jackie Jackie was like, I like that blonde guy with 94 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:06.199 the missing teeth. Swede was pulled into a life of luxury as we all 95 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:14.879 hope to be, and he stays with her. That's so interesting. Well, 96 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:19.319 he said himself. He's he's found ways, like things about himself that 97 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:25.120 he never knew he had. He's channeling himself in ways that he couldn't understand 98 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:30.040 before. And he's learned to like access old parts of him that he thought 99 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.000 he had lost. And I'm like that's so beautiful. Yeah, Like I'm 100 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:39.360 glad that it was like not like one of those creepy situations where you hate 101 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:43.360 the person you're with. Like he seems to be happy in this relationship, 102 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:46.160 so it doesn't feel creepy or wrong. No, we're all happy for him. 103 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:51.040 Yeah. What does it mean when he said Steed a life that Steve 104 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:56.839 found him deserted on an island about to be eaten. Oh, that's what 105 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:01.600 they're referring, Like Steed saved his life. That's where all the loyalty comes 106 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:07.639 from Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so they all just want to get back 107 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.199 to see but they're stuck working Spanish jackies. No one seems happy there. 108 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:16.680 Steve is trying to He's writing that letter to like narrate to everyone, like 109 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.319 what a nice experience they're having. Yeah, well, I think that's like 110 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:26.079 Steve's toxic positivity at play. You know, he has that like no must 111 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:33.120 stay, everything's gonna be okay kind of vibe to him. And he's writing 112 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:37.039 this letter in hopes that it will reach Blackbeard because he has no like there's 113 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:41.159 no way to call him or text him or you know, send him a 114 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:46.279 message somehow. So he's throwing like he's putting all of his like thoughts and 115 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:52.840 feelings out into the ocean, hoping that happenstance will help him reach his love 116 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:58.440 once again. And in his dream even is he told him you're the one 117 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:03.200 who left him. Yep. So he's very aware that he's in the situation 118 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.720 because he put himself in it. But you know, Steed, he's going 119 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:09.480 to keep it light, he's going to keep it airy. He's always a 120 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:15.159 gentleman. Yeah, So he finally has moved past the guilt of leaving his 121 00:09:15.200 --> 00:09:18.159 wife and kids, and now he gets this new guilt of leaving Ned the 122 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:24.039 love of his life potentially. Yeah. So, and he's worried about like 123 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.679 the consequences of his actions now again. Yeah. He also he appears to 124 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.480 be scared of him because they're getting all the news of what black Beard is 125 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:35.159 doing at sea, right, and he's like, all they have to do 126 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:39.399 is ad the horns to him, and he's like a true demon. And 127 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.679 Blackbeard in this episode says, I am no demon, I am the devil. 128 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.759 So this is like a transition and black Beard that Steed would not recognize. 129 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.279 And I think, if I had to choose, I would rather be 130 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:56.559 in that stinky little dingy room with Steed than in, you know, a 131 00:09:56.639 --> 00:10:03.200 room full of riches miserable with black Beard. But there's wedding cake. Yeah, 132 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:07.919 but it's so sad. It was the saddest, like I've never seen 133 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:11.360 somebody on TV eat wedding cakes so sad, like Fang couldn't even eat it. 134 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:16.159 Frenchie good though. Frenchie was compartmentalizing and he's like, it's so easy, 135 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:22.039 you guys, this is great. And I think that's the attitude that 136 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:28.360 got him promoted. Yeah, but they all look really good in their guyliner. 137 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:33.559 That this new grunge like metal look is working for me. So do 138 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:37.440 you think that was like a group decision to do their faces like that, 139 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:39.799 or did they come down from black Beard or are they just like following his 140 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.960 lead. I think they're following his lead, but because there's like a new 141 00:10:45.039 --> 00:10:50.159 vibe and aesthetic that needs to be like we're elevating to this level of real 142 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:56.200 piracy and we're like goth demons. I love it. I really do like 143 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:01.159 it. Like Frenchie looks good, Vico looks good, looks good. They 144 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:05.639 all look good in this new like dark element. And I'm sure you know 145 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:11.240 this is like representation of their era right now. They're in their like miserable 146 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.600 pirate era and you can tell, like the tension in the room is like 147 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:20.519 so high, like they don't want to do this anymore. It's like Monday, 148 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.639 Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, we plummet, we pillage, we continue 149 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:30.720 to like Maine and mangle and it's not fun anymore. Yeah, to the 150 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:35.720 extent that they have to throw treasure overboard. Yeah, they're they're plundering so 151 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.799 much that they have they're it's slowing their ship down, and Blackbeard's like, 152 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:41.960 we're not going to slow down. He's like a girl boss. He's got 153 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.200 a girl boss his way through the pirrating world. And he fucking kills Izzy. 154 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:50.120 He shoots him. Yeah, he shoots him in the leg. Oh 155 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:52.600 in the leg. Oh Okay, I didn't see that, but is he 156 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:58.360 Like all he did was like kind of talk like Steed, Like Izzy was 157 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:03.120 finally seeing the light and the purpose and the goodness of what it was to 158 00:12:03.159 --> 00:12:07.480 be in Steed's crew, even though it irked him to all hell that it 159 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:11.000 was like the right thing to do. And it literally killed him or injured 160 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.120 him, maybe mortally because we don't know what kind of medicine they have on 161 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:20.000 board, Like how clean is it? Like they're so nasty and dirty, 162 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.320 Like he could die of infection. It's crazy. Yeah, Like is he's 163 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:28.320 I feel like this whole series, he's been trying to like calibrate black Beard 164 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.440 and he's like he's swung too soft and he's like, we got to give 165 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.759 ri a Steed and then it swings them too far the other way, and 166 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:37.759 he's like he's trying to find that perfect black Beard that he loves. Yeah, 167 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:39.879 he pushed them too far. And now he doesn't like where he ended 168 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.879 up. Yeah, and we see is he like having a bit of a 169 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:50.600 breakdown in front of everybody, Like he's having trouble like giving commands and following 170 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.960 orders, and apparently he's lost more toes like he is a victim of black 171 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:00.559 Beard. They all are like, this is abuse, and it's so scary 172 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:05.759 because hurt people, hurt people, But like, is that a good excuse, 173 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.919 Like that's that's not in my opinion, that's not a good excuse, 174 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.039 you know, to like hurt others. But it's kind of something that can 175 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:18.799 happen with trauma. It's there's a cycle of trauma that can exist in a 176 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:26.519 person where if they experience deep trauma and hurt and sadness and pain, then 177 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:33.559 they will instead of like examining it and processing it and putting it to rest 178 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:39.440 and living with their life and in a new way where they can acknowledge their 179 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.240 trauma and you know, live with it and be able to move forward from 180 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.360 it, they instead perpetuate that trauma. They're like, if I feel bad, 181 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:54.279 everybody around me's gonna feel bad. And when Frenchie went to talk to 182 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:58.879 black Beard, and black Beard was talking about that bird that never touches the 183 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:03.120 ground and then he says he's never touching the ground, frenchie. You could 184 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.879 tell he was like, fuck, we're all stuck here where his prisoner's essentially 185 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.759 at sea, Like this is just a vicious cycle we're stuck in and it's 186 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.960 so sad. Yeah, he was kind of stuck in this like middle management 187 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.360 role where he has to relate Blackbeard's orders to the crew. But then he's 188 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:24.440 also trying to like stick up for the crew with black Beard get some shot. 189 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.240 Yeah, yeah, because he had the balls to say, hey, 190 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:31.240 this isn't working. And he said the name Steed fucking Bonnet. Yeah, 191 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:35.480 you're not allowed to say the name of that person who used to be the 192 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.320 owner of the ship. Then on the other side, Steed meets that one 193 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:45.919 fella who wants to be a gentleman pirate too, but he apparently wants to 194 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:48.519 do it with more pozzizz. Yeah, and I'm like, oh, girl, 195 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.840 Steve is a unique character. I don't know if we can have another 196 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:58.440 one. We shouldn't need two Steed Bonnets. No, And he could tell 197 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:03.440 he's over eager by his approach. And then when they're doing that raid at 198 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:07.960 Spanish Jackie's because he told them like, hey, she has a treasure chest 199 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:11.480 with something in it that's worth some goal, some you know, we know 200 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.639 what it's worth. These people here, they're like below us, they don't 201 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.039 know shit about shit. And I'm like that was strike one. And then 202 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.279 he was gonna make his lime Ricky, He's gonna leave his colleague card and 203 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:31.600 I'm like, signature cocktail. What the fuck leaves a drink? Gets cut 204 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:35.120 yeah, and he's alone. Steed's like, no, we gotta go, 205 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:39.480 and he's like, nah, you don't understand, Brandy. You don't understand 206 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.799 like how to build a brand. And Steed's like fuck you then and he 207 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:48.360 leaves him and he gets caught and gets his nose cut off. Who the 208 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:52.879 fuck is this guy? A minor prince just got his nose ripped off because 209 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.960 he was fucking with the wrong shit. Yep. And Spanish Jackie tracks Steed 210 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:03.080 and the crew down and they find out that she had indigo in powder form, 211 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.000 which is actually like a crazy amount of indigo. Yeah, And it's 212 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:12.200 like, I don't know if anybody knows anything about dye, No, apparently 213 00:16:12.279 --> 00:16:18.759 not, but indigo, especially in that time period, was very expensive, 214 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:25.480 like rich people had clothing made with indigo, and it's there's different types of 215 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:30.600 indigo in the world. But in order to process it, it takes a 216 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:34.960 long time, and it's it's very like production heavy, like you have to 217 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:40.679 boil it and process it and temperate and then to dry it out and create 218 00:16:40.720 --> 00:16:45.559 a powder. That's a super concentrated form of a dye when you powder it. 219 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.960 And to have that much of it, like a chestworth, that's crazy 220 00:16:49.159 --> 00:16:53.639 of any kind of dye because usually, like I remember when I was in 221 00:16:55.240 --> 00:17:00.679 art school, they had us take a dye class and we had samples of 222 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:06.759 like four ounce jars for our dye process, and that was like we didn't 223 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:10.680 use all of that in the whole school year. So it was like crazy 224 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:15.599 to see like a tub full of that shit. And it's interesting that nobody 225 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:22.440 understands the value of it, except for the pirate queen Susan. This very 226 00:17:22.480 --> 00:17:26.440 cool new characters coming in. Three women, three new women on set. 227 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:33.000 Yep. There's Archie, which is that tough mercenary type of broad that's on 228 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:38.039 the crew with black Beard, and then there's Auntie and Susan. I'm just 229 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:44.240 gonna call her by her American name. I'm sorry everybody, I call her 230 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:48.680 the Pirate Queen, the Pirate Queen. It's cool that they added more women. 231 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:51.559 It sucks that they had to cut Iman out. Yeah, I wonder 232 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:55.440 if somebody didn't get along with him or something. Maybe that's hard to say. 233 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:59.039 I mean, it could just been a budget thing, like we're adding 234 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:02.799 characters and you gotta cut someone, You gotta cut someone. Oh my god, 235 00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:07.240 this episode had a lot of fanng crying. Fang was crying like every 236 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:11.039 other scene. Yeah, oh my god. And his crying is so good. 237 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.680 It's like so on point that it makes me so sad. Oh. 238 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:18.319 But the Pirate Queen saves them. She's like, I'm gonna pay for this, 239 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:21.839 indigo, you don't have to worry about it. And I want them 240 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:23.759 to come with me, and they're like, who are you? Are we 241 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:30.759 in soup now? I liked that they were all on board with that. 242 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:37.640 Yeah. Honestly, if a soup entrepreneur decided to pick me up from my 243 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:44.880 like shitty existence, I would be down. But it turns out she's a 244 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:49.440 pirate queen. And historically this is a real person from China. There was 245 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:59.279 a like very infamous woman who was in charge of like so many pirates in 246 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:04.279 that and she was famous because she had like a work life balance or something. 247 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:11.200 I can't recall exactly her. Uh, there's that puppet history show. 248 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:18.079 They have an episode of her where they talk about her and her like career 249 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:22.599 as a pirate and how she started off as a pirate's wife and then she 250 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:27.759 eventually became her own like leader and her own like person. It's very interesting, 251 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:33.559 but I'm excited. I love that they play around with like historical fiction. 252 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.640 Yeah, it's fun to like see the parallels of I mean, like 253 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:41.119 a lot of the what we know about these pirates is pretty vague and you 254 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:45.559 know, secondhand stories or further distance from it. So they have a lot 255 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.839 of creative freedom just to fill in the gaps, as they have done with 256 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:53.000 Steve and Ed. Those gaps weren't hard to fill, let's be real, 257 00:19:53.440 --> 00:20:00.680 Like, I feel like scholars know that pirates tended to be okay to be 258 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:06.519 gay in that situation, Like there were more open opportunities and more accepted of 259 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:11.799 that type of behavior because it was a different society and a different set of 260 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:18.079 norms outside of the like typical behavior. Because in like that era in that 261 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:23.279 time, it was technically illegal for a man to be with another man. 262 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:27.519 They could be arrested for buggery or whatever, you know, fucking around. 263 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:33.680 So I like this. I'm excited for the next episode. I'm very curious 264 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:37.480 about what Susan's background is going to be like and realize like in the show, 265 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:42.599 because I'm obviously familiar with her like a little bit based on historical like 266 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:49.519 documents. And Yeah, she seems very competent. Yeah, she seems like 267 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:55.200 she's got it all together. Like out of all the Pirate like leaders, 268 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.519 she seems to be the one that's gonna be like on top or the best, 269 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:04.599 Like she's going to have a balance of ruthlessness and community mindedness that the 270 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:11.000 other two pirates leaders didn't have. I also wanted to note that Frenchie seemed 271 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:15.079 to be when they are raiding the ship, he seemed to be portraying himself 272 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:22.640 as a cat, those claws in his like wolverine clause. He's mighty and 273 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:26.680 scary, So I love that running joke that he thinks cats are the most 274 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:32.519 terrifying thing. Yeah. We also saw Jim be very violent in that scenario 275 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:36.240 too. Yeah, and Jim was tough as they all were Yeah, and 276 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:40.200 then Blackbeard kept that the groom from the wedding cake, which happens to a 277 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:45.240 zimble Steve certat Blonde Pirate. He knows a little gentleman pirate for his pocket. 278 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.839 Yeah, so he's still thinking a lot about Steve. I would be 279 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:55.079 too, man, this dude that like completely changed my worldview and kissed me 280 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:59.119 and made me feel like there was a chance at a different type of future 281 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:04.839 in life, and then he fucking bails on me. I don't know astroal 282 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:11.200 queen, who was the standout character in the episode. I pick the Swede. 283 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.960 The Swede, Yeah, that's my astral queen. He has to, 284 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:22.559 you know, give himself up as a husband and enter this matrimony and then 285 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:26.599 he finds himself and he helps his friends, and his wife finds him sexier 286 00:22:26.680 --> 00:22:32.839 somehow, even after she double she gets double crossed. So I feel like 287 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:37.359 the Sweet is my astro queen this episode. He's got some really great moments 288 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:41.759 too. And I didn't know how buff he was. I forgot how buff 289 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:44.759 he was, but when he was in there giving her a massage, I 290 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:48.319 was like, damn sweet. Yeah, he's such a skinny guy. He's 291 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.799 no wonder. She was like looking him up and down, she could see 292 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:57.519 through those clothes. That nasty bitch. I love her. Who do you 293 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:02.880 pick? I always like, if there's a character that like clearly saves the 294 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:04.559 day, that I want to pick that character. And so I'm picking the 295 00:23:04.599 --> 00:23:10.680 pirate queen. Oh okay, selling all that soup, no for saving them 296 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:15.880 from Spanish Shacki's nose jar. I love her retort where Spanish Jackie's like, 297 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:19.680 are you the soup bitch? And She's like, I'm the money bitch. 298 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:25.720 That was really good. We'll see how they do on her ship. Yeah. 299 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:30.079 I feel like they were so bad they got left on a deserted island. 300 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.119 Let's not forget that. Yeah. I mean, she's the only one 301 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:37.799 that seems to have her shit together, So we'll see how they's fair in 302 00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:41.839 that situation. Yeah. But that should wrap up the main part of the 303 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:47.079 episode. So we're going to go into our spoiler section and talk about anything 304 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:49.640 that might come in the next few episodes. And so if you don't want 305 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:53.839 any of that, then get on now. You should just embark. The 306 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:59.720 next episode we called Red Flags. Oh, and we will see what that's 307 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:06.799 about next time. Let's put our living stereo stylist in this group. Grace 308 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:11.880 for impact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the whole series, now is 309 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:18.519 the time to say goodbye. Remember you can contact us at Spacingoutpod at gmail 310 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:22.759 dot com, find us on social media, share your thoughts and be a 311 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:30.480 part of the discussion. Spoilers in five four three two one. All right, 312 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.799 so season two, dude, I can't believe that the fucking guy with 313 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:38.440 the nose comes back and is like gonna fuck them all up. Yeah, 314 00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:42.720 so Bains is like the villain of the season, right, Like, yeah, 315 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:45.720 he has a nose patch or something. Yeah, he has like a 316 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:52.319 couple of different noses. He goes through because she fucking vanished Jackie took his 317 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.119 nose. He thought he could play around, and he fucked around and he 318 00:24:56.240 --> 00:25:00.240 found out. But then he comes back with the vengeance. Yeah. So 319 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.599 I don't really remember what all this whole deal is, but I assume he 320 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:08.160 kind of blames Steed and the crew for Yeah, but he really pays back 321 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:14.400 the Pirate Queen. He does this thing where he gives them grandfather clocks for 322 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:18.920 each of their ships, and they for some reason put them in their ships 323 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.759 and then they they're fucking time bombs. Yeah, and like her whole fleet 324 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.960 goes down within seconds. And then that's why she gets stuck with them as 325 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:32.759 a crew and she wants revenge on his ass. And so the Swede stays 326 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:36.839 with Spanish Jackie. I believe we check in with him some more. Yeah, 327 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:41.519 we see more Spanish Jackie, and I believe he's thriving there. Yeah, 328 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:45.039 I think he does well. And with Spanish Jackie, I think he's 329 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:49.759 really happy. There some balance and harmony. What I am failing to remember, 330 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:55.880 and I feel like it's really important, is how Steed and Blackbeard go 331 00:25:56.039 --> 00:26:00.680 from not talking or not knowing where each other is to live in an end 332 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.799 together. The transition between that, I'm like, it's escaping me. I 333 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:11.200 think there's an episode where fucking Blackbeard finally finds that bottle, that message in 334 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:14.680 the bottle comes back. Yeah, I don't remember that, but I know 335 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:21.039 that they come upon the revenge and like mutiny has taking place, and black 336 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:25.720 Beard is unconscious and he has this whole episode where he's like in his own 337 00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:29.599 like purgatory in his head. Oh yeah, with his dad or something with 338 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:33.559 his former captain. That's it. And then so Steve is there when he 339 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.759 wakes up, very similar to how they met. Yep, all right, 340 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:41.039 cool, So he's not dead and neither is Lucius, right Lucius. We 341 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:44.480 didn't of course I didn't see him, but yeah, we didn't talk about 342 00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:48.319 him because that would have been a spoiler. But is he They keep him 343 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:55.160 alive despite Blackbeard's wishes that they they should kill him. Yeah, because Frenchy 344 00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:57.240 can't kill him, and that's his job, that's his one job that he's 345 00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:02.640 had from the beginning take care of this and he doesn't do it. Yeah, 346 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:04.839 and the crew really comes around to like show that they care about Eazy 347 00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:08.000 because he loses that leg and they have to build him a new one. 348 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.000 Yeah. So yeah, it's a lot of all the things developed through the 349 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:15.880 season. Is he like the most pirate of them all with his like missing 350 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.359 leg? Yeah, because none of them. I can't think of anyone who 351 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:23.160 has like an eye patch, No, just a nose patch. But yeah, 352 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.319 so fun stuff to come. Yeah, I'm excited for the season. 353 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:32.559 Some new relationships between Jim and Olive Wande and Archie and the Pirate Queen. 354 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:37.400 Yeah, it all gets tangled up. Yeah, hashtag couple goals, all 355 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:38.799 right, I think that does it for us. Then all right, yeah, 356 00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:42.200 good, we're done here. Thanks for sailing on the revenge. Did 357 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:51.400 we go over the last month last season's Pirate Queen or Astro Queens? No 358 00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:53.599 we didn't. Did we go over that? Well, that's what we did 359 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:56.960 for Battle Star each season, but I did not tally them up for us. 360 00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:00.720 So that's okay. We can do it at the end this season for 361 00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.480 season one and two. Then yeah, we will see who the overall winner 362 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.559 is. All right, we'll see how it goes. I'm going to watch 363 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.960 that Pirate History episode again, the Puppet History show where they talk about her. 364 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:14.640 All right, that's it, we're done. We should have cut it 365 00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:18.519 off twenty minutes ago. Thank you for spacing out with BB and Jason. 366 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:22.160 You can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive rating or review. 367 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:29.160 Next time we will cover our flag means Death season two, episode two, 368 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:34.240 Red Flags. 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