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This is London Calling London Calling well. The global cabal theory, it has

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many variations, but basically there is
a small group of people, a small

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cabal that secretly controls everything that is
happening in the world. All the wars,

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all the revolutions, all the epidemics, everything that is happening is controlled

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by this very small group of people
or of course evil and have bad intentions.

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And this is this is a very
well known story that it's not new,

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It's been there for thousands of years. It's very attractive. Welcome to

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London calling with me James Delingport and
my very good friend mister Toby Young terms.

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I see you're still in the country
for a change in the UK.

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Yeah, I'm not. I'm not
planning to go away again um this summer,

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although my wife has rented somewhere in
Norfolk for a week that coincides with

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a tennis tournament called n Stanton,
which she and two of my sons have

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been entering for the last three or
four years or so. In fact,

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Caroline one the Ladies Doubles Cup one
year with her one of her best friends

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and her tennis coach Brady, and
that we've had to give it back the

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following year and it hasn't been one
since, but Caroline is quite hopeful this

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year. She's playing with the daughter
of some friends of ours. He's pretty

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good, so I don't know if
they're seeded, but it could be quite

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exciting. Well for you, Norfolk. Norfolk is is I think probably the

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second smartest place to go for your
your summer after Cornwall. Well I was

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thinking, if you're really, really, really smart, you probably go up

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to Scotland, don't you. In
orbit somebody's somebody's estate. Um, but

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maybe below that the sort of upper
upper middle classes would go to Norfolk.

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And then yeah, it was surprised
at the Understanding Tennis Tournament. It's like

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a kind of it's like a throwback
to um, you know, the cheese

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and wine appreciation society in Oxford in
the nineteen eighties, except all the people

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we saw there are now middle aged
and um, red faced with blood vessels

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bursting on their noses, and their
kids all got all got mullets or wearing

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very short skirts. Yeah. Yeah, Um, I still haven't planned my

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where I'm going to go for the
summer because I just like I'm terrified that

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um, well, all sorts of
things. Yeah, the travel, the

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travel problem, which we've dealt with
before. Where where where they try and

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make your life hell to dissuade you
from traveling ever again? And then like

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where is where it was good to
go to? You didn't? You didn't

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rape me Yorker. I'm thinking of
Greek island. But what Greek islands haven't

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been ruined? Mm hm anyway,
luxury problems. Um, I had a

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lovely weekend in um Endorset. Um, I hadn't had an event there.

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One of my live podcast things.
I think you plugged it on Clive to

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Carl and it was it was great. I mean the best thing Clive to

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Carl is he's sort of the guru
for all things alternative health. Okay,

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so um, the vitamins and things
that, all the different potions that you

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can and dietary of course, he's
a he's a fount of knowledge. And

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how many and what what was the
capacity of the venue? Well? I

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think we had stunder two hundred people
there, which is obviously not not on

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a par with my big London events, but I kind of like the smaller

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ones. Um. The only thing
I will say is that they're like details

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that One of the problems about about
doing my my shows is that you've got

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to find a venue which is counsel
proof, and it's really quite hard these

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days to find find somewhere that isn't
going to get freaked out by a phone

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call saying you know, do you
realize that James Danningpole is a dangerous conspiracy

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theorist or whatever. I mean.
The people are people are very easily cowed.

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Um. But it Yeah. It
was a sort of a sort of

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health club with lots of tables and
chairs in it and a stage and we

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sat on the stage and as ever, I was blown away by what an

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extraordinary mix of people come to my
things. So you had every everyone,

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everyone from sort of blond blonde ladies
with cut glass accents to a man with

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dogs on ropes who I believe was
from the from the from the traveler community,

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and he was fantastic. He came
up to me and and pledged his

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allegiance to me, and he liked
me. Do you know why? Do

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you know why he liked me?
Most of all because of the fake Paul

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McCartney theory. No no dinosaurs,
No, You're never going to get no.

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No, it's because because I'm a
hunting man, okay, and and

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there's there's clearly a kind of bond. I really want to go and see

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him. I want to I want
to go and meet him with his with

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his people, because I'm kind of
I've kind of gone. I don't know

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what. I don't know what what
you're meant. They called gypsies, you

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call the traveler. I know what
the correct term is. But what I've

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what I realized I didn't realize before, is that these people have got it

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long before the rest of us.
They realized all along that the world was

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a conspiracy of this kind of these
kind of elites against the ordinary people.

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And the reason that they don't take
part in the system is because they've never

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they've never believed in it, is
my theory anyway. You know. One

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one interesting debate we have in my
household is whether the word gypsy is a

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kind of pejorative racial epiffect, or
whether it's acceptable and not just acceptable to

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the traveler community, but acceptable to
people acceptable to the traveler community for other

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people to use it about the travel
community. But I I remember from my

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education days that there was I think
an education category in all the kind of

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Department for Education tables about pupil attainment, which was GRT, which stands for

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Gypsy Roma Traveler. So I think
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this is how they so arrange it. They are constantly changing the acceptable terms

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in order to rung foot you,
so that bleeding heart liberals like Utoby are

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always walking on eggshells. Always the
answer to the question, James, or

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do you just not care? I
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no, no, no, I'm
sure you wouldn't. I'm sure because because

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he considers me a good bloke,
because I don't think it matters. But

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you know, I'd like to use
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just because I can see that he's
a he's a brother now, and I

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obviously I don't want to don't want
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yeah, beyond that, I think
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you remember how how when we were
in the nineteen seventies, maybe people would

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use a term like colored people,
and that was the polite word. But

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if you but if you use colored
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offensive. Yes, So the debating
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term gypsy like the term colored And
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least not yet. I just googled
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twenty twenty one National Census which was
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still a designation for a particular population
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by the kind of thought police as
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anyway, I was very, very
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was really nice. But there have
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to whether Bridport is an absolute woke
nightmare or whether it is actually quite awake.

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And I think the answer is it
depends where you go. For example,

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there were bookshops with different allegiances.
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has got sort of rainbow flags and
stuff in the in the window. Another

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has got copies of the light paper. Yeah, yeah, same is awake.

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same is broadly true of totness,
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in a I lived in the country
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thirteen and seventeen for four years,
and our nearest town was Totness, and

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Totness was recently singled out, I
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report about what can happen if we
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and it talked about, you know, how Totness have become a kind

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of anti vaxer haven, and how
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of a proposed lt N or something
along those lines. And of course opposition

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to ltens is bracketed with opposition to
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extremism in the eyes of these anti
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that top nest back in my day, which was I mean I lived there

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in I guess it was that it
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was really the equivalent of woke today. So it was full of kind of

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right on trendy, left of center
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know, the kind of fashionable bien
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know, embracing alternative medicine, acupuncture, Cairo practi or wherever it's called.

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of environmentalists before their time, into
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course there was a kind of druggy
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there were these kind of hippie fares
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sort of once a year um And
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kind of morphed into what you'd call
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no longer no part of the kind
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think it's a a noticeable facet of
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guess, probably Bright and certainly Stroud, where you have this massive division.

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might loosely have bracketed alternative or hippie
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big divide within those within that group, between those who are into all the

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eco bollocks and and to willingly submitted
to the death jab and don't see any

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any you know, anything weird about
net zero and so on, and those

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who are completely awake to everything that's
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I I did a speaker thing in
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there are absolutely fantastic. You know, somebody brought me. I always get

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brought these lovely, lovely gifts and
people often bring me things like raw milk,

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which, as you probably know,
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milk you want to drink. You
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pasteurized. It gets ruined and things
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fantastic reception. But it was touch
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ahead because the aggressively woke section of
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and you can see that. I
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particularly pronounced in university towns like Oxford
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Edinburgh, which are proposing to introduce
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minute neighborhood and you see the kind
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kind of extinction rebellion just stop oil
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the people you designate as awake on
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don't think they exist in the university
terms the awake at all. Well,

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there was that big protest in Oxford, wasn't there Were they all outsiders coming

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in? I don't think. And
then there's this guy, you know,

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there's this guy, Florence Pew's dad
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kind of anti lt N movement in
Oxford because he's just had he has a

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chain of cafe slash restaurants in Oxford
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a consequence of an lt N being
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restaurant. And he was it was
in the Telegraph today and he was interviewed

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by Together and it's but he's become
a kind of spokesrother together Together. Yeah,

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yeah, they're controlled opposition. They're
not really, They're not. They

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really are. No, so long
to go into here, But no,

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I don't trust them with a barge
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that's not a good sign. So
who but sorry, did you see did

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you see what we were on together? I mean, I can't agree with

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you there, James. I think
they're perfectly good fake of course you think

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that jabs. But they're on the
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are they purport to be on the
same side, and they they well,

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they're antil they're anti ulo's expansion,
they are mandates. They well, they

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wouldn't exactly be very convincing um fakes, would they if they didn't embrace on

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of our causes? Good? Who
was any did did you see were on

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it? Did you see that there
was a picture of um a meeting organized

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by Together to protest about the rollout
of an LTN summer in Dorset actually,

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and a local Lib DEM counselor retweeted
the picture. There was a picture was

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an empty hall that they all had
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the chairs instead of people, and
this Lib Dem counselor said he would happily

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gassed the lot of them, or
words to that effect, which was pretty

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shocking. He was immediately banned from
Twitter. And but lib Dems are not

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not kicking him out or suspending him. They're just sending him on a kind

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of an awareness of social media awareness. Who would he happily have gassed the

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anti ULA's protesters at this meeting in
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think carbon monoxide was a similarity between
liberalism and Nazism, So I can see

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why. I can see why he'd
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I think, did you see the
Uval Harari comment in which he basically said

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there was a very thin line between
conspiracy theorists and Nazis? So it was

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I think he was interviewed for a
podcast and he said and he called for

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conspiracy theorists to be banned from the
Internet because of their dangerous belief that a

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global clique of elites control the world. So I'll just reading this with James.

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Harari condemned the theory that a shadowy
elite of billionaires and globalists control the

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world. He called it anti semitic
and dangerous. During an appearance on Lex

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Friedman's podcast, Harari noted that the
world is too complex to be controlled by

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powerful people. Quote, according to
conspiracy theorist, there was a small group

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of people, the cabal, who
secretly control everything that happens in the world.

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All wars, all revolutions, all
epidemics, everything that happens is controlled

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by this very small group of people
who are of course evil and had bad

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intentions. This is a very well
known story. It's not new. It's

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very appealing because, first of all, it's simple, and you don't have

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to understand everything that's going on in
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one thing, the war in Ukraine, the Israeli Palestinian conflict, five g

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technology COVID nineteen. It's simple.
There is this global cabal. They are

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doing all these things. So he
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Jews or Freemasons. Quote, if
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we will solve all of the problems
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simple, it's attractive, and that's
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And he then went on to compare
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argued that Nazis also believed that a
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Quote, the basic idea of the
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Get rid of the Jews, you
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there you go, James, that
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a way of dismissing conspiracy theories or
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them should be banned from the Internet. There's a thin line between conspiracy theorists

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and anti semitism, and that in
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Team uval or or or team Team
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this one. I'm not Team uvell
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a chance, isn't it. He's
he's I mean, he's he's he's he's

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definitely UM at the forefront of the
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of the of the World Economic Forum. Isn't he I mean, he's had

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these these best sellers, really pushing
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the wf's I mean here he is
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nature of the of the conspiracy um. You know that there is a there

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is a tiny elite, not like
to use the word elite, sort of

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the rizarkabal, which which has been
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That's the thing. So it's no
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the ages, because in different variations, these same people have been running the

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world and conspiring to to make the
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miserable, and it's just that they
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a global scale. So so,
yeah, but you're right about the free

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speech issue issues that this guy is
basically saying that people who want to talk

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about these ideas, which which they
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of unto mentioned who who are Well, I don't know. He wants he

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wants to bracket us with the Nazis, but I'm not sure that that's a

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fair analogy. Well, how do
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have been confronted about this before,
but what's your kind of standard response when

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people say, James, when you
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running the world for two thousand years, Um, it does sound a lot

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like an anti Semitic conspiracy theory,
even though you yourself, Yeah, I

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think, I think, I think
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one of those boo words which has
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like racist or climate change denier or
the conspiracy theorist or tinful hat. There's

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there's a whole range of insults that
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And it's as simple as that.
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think it was George Soros who who? Who? Who stated that? Or

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sorry it is said that because because
George Soros, who is involved in so

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many of these conspiracies, because he's
one of the bad men, he funds

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a lot of the alleged grassroots organization
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Kebal that because he happens to be
Jewish, that somehow to criticize what he's

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doing is anti Semitic. Well,
it doesn't really matter what religion George Sorros

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is, you know, if what
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and it ought to be it ought
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I think the label anti Semitism is
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to just close down the argument,
and that's wrong. Don't. Don't you

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find though, that sometimes you have
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kind of gravitating. Now I don't, I don't, I don't bind the

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term at all. I don't.
I simply do not know what the term

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actually means, because I don't think
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people who sort of go oh,
I hate the Jews. The Jews are

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really horrible. Why would you um
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world of difference between between say um
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the term has any validity. It's
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their skin. Um, it's just
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clearly are people who have a kind
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not least some you know, um, Islamic extremists, particularly in the Middle

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East, but also in parts of
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instance, Marseille. Who do you
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outbreaks of civil unrest or even when
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of strain of anti Semitism amongst kind
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there are many different I think there
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that runs the world, and clearly
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and I think that the fact that
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criticism. But I think that it's
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the world, the old aristocracy,
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not or Jewish. So I personally
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Jews, and I don't think that
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So I don't. I don't.
I don't buy I don't buy that

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What else have you been up to? J And so there any stories

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that have caught your attention? Looks
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well, good, well good.
I mean I not, you know,

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I totally don't care about this,
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was just a kind of establishment creature
posing as as I mean, they all

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are. Everyone is an establishment creature
posing is something they're not. But I

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thought that Desantists was a particularly egregious
example because he had people, people on

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the right saying, yeah, Florida, look how well Florida performed in in

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during during COVID de santisism. Man, he's not, He's just he's a

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green studge apart from anything else.
So now, ye see, I I

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disagree. I think he'd course,
of course you did Toobes. I mean,

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he was going to be your man. He's he's the cuck's cut.

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Well. I think he's also more
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particularly Joe Biden, than Donald Trump. I think the problem with Trump

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is that he frightens the horses too
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but he scares people who are a
bit more moderate and who the Republicans

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will need to win if they're going
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think Descantis does. You may say
that's because he's a cuck, but I

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do think his track record as governor
of Florida is very good. And I

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do think that, you know,
he was one of the best governors in

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terms of his response to the pandemic. He listened to Jay batter Charia Martin

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called off Shanetragupta recognize that focused protection
was a better response than a blanket blanket

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quarantining of everybody. The healthy and
the thick reopened before most other states,

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and as a consequence, the economy
in Florida is booming. I also I

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also admire his war on Woke,
his fight with Disney. He's done something

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about the promotion of what sort of
critical race theory and gender identity ideology and

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schools in Florence. All this is
I think I think he I think I

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think he'd I think he'd be,
you know, a much better president than

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Trump. But haven't you equally lost
faith in Trump. Don't you think he's

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controlled opposition or kind of a cup
or I mean, or do you think

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he's marginal margin? Two things,
tabs Um. First of all, or

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all that you've said presupposes that these
elections aren't completely rigged. And it's not

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about the democratic process. It's about
things like voting machines. It's about it's

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about smoil ballots and things like that. And you remember the reason, the

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reason that you and I have arguments
every week all goes back two When was

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it three years ago the stolen election
when I could see this was my journey

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wrapped down the rabbit hole. If
you remember when I could seem so much

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evidence that the election was stolen from
Donald Trump. And at the time I

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was a sort of Trump Trump fan. But that's neither him nor that.

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The point was, it was very
obvious that a senile, incontinent fool known

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for his corruption, known to have
this toxic liability of a son, known

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to have sort of criminal connections with
China and Ukraine. I mean, at

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least in terms of he might as
well have been owned by them, This

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incredibly dodgy character who was so toxic
that he was kept from his minders from

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the campaign circuit, and this guy
was up against a man who was touring

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America, playing to these packed arenas
where everyone was trump Mania. There was

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no reason to suppose that Trump was
not going to get an even bigger majority

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in his second term than his first. And instead you saw this this in

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content, senile crook somehow magically winning
the election in the middle of the night,

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when the Trump votes seemed to magically
convert into Biden votes. And instead

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of going, oh, there's something
really dodgy about this, what about all

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this footage of skullduggery in election in
ballot counting houses. What about these lorry

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drivers talking about about these batches of
filled in ballots that they've had to bring,

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you know, all of them mark
for Biden? What about all this?

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All My conservative colleagues, including you, went nothing to see here.

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Clearly, clearly Biden won this election
because Trump was just too toxic. And

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that was my point where I completely
lost faith with the mainstream media. All

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my career up that point, I
believe that being a journalist was a kind

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of honorable trade, and that we
spoke truth to power, and that we

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weren't afraid to call call, call, out skull, daggery and dishonesty and

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whatever. And I suddenly realized that
no, there was this barrier which prevented

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even my respected the colleagues that I
had thought when were my equals at least,

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that there was stopping them seeing the
truth. And whatever reason it was,

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I was disgusted with all my colleagues. I mean, I can't think

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of one actually who didn't, who
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thereafter I can't talk about American election
politics because it's all rigged, it's all

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dishonest, and you don't get anything
honestly about this in our media nor an

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American media either. I guess we
do disagree about this. And my view

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is that the conspiracy theory known as
the STEM was thoroughly tested in the American

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courts um which are also corrupt.
Most recently when when when Fox decided to

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settle with dominion voting machines for a
lot of money. Who owns Fox?

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And and tod who owns Fox?
But I think I think that if who

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owns Fox, who is it?
Murdoch? Still? I think it is

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still Murdoch. Yeah, well,
Murdoch is part of the I told you

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the media lies. The media is
part of the conspiracy. So the idea

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dependent analysis. The problem is,
James, when when you have to say,

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you know, it isn't just it
wasn't just a conspiracy carried out by

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the Democratic Party to rig the election, to get their candidate elected, inclusion

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with the manufacturers of the voting machines. It goes higher than that. It

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involves, of course involves said that. But when you say that, you

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come less and less plausible, because
you know, the broader the conspiracy,

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the more likely it is to be
rumbled because so many more and more people

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know about it, the more and
more likely there's going to be a leak.

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There's going to be documentary. You
think them some emails or recorded the

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worly because I've just pointed out I'm
talking about but that the truckloads of filled

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in balance. I've talked talked about
the video, video footage. But the

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media looked at this evidence and said
nothing to see here. The courts looked

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at the evidence, said nothing to
see here. The idea because there was

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an election, the idea, this
is election that could just have been stolen

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by some kind of errant Democratic Party. How could they have done that.

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They needed big tech on side,
they needed the corrupt media on side,

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they needed the corrupt court system on
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it off. They needed the journalists
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Otherwise it wouldn't have been That's the
implausible part your your notion that this could

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have been carried out just by a
few dodgy Democratic Party members with a few

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dominion voting machines. It was far
bigger than that, far bigger. I

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don't think it happened at all.
So I'm not suggesting that that's what happened.

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I think that if as in order
to in order to kind of overcome

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the difficulty to your theory, that
the courts in almost every case decided there

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was nothing to this, and Fox
in the end concluded it didn't have a

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case against dominion voting machines, and
even Murdoch, I think, would be

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a bit reluctant to give away such
large sums of money just to promote some

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conspiracies involved in it just becomes more
and more implausible, and the likelier explanation

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becomes maybe there was no deal.
Maybe Biden just beat Trump, And if

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you look at the margin of victory. You know, it's it's sufficiently large

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that a bit of election fraud wouldn't
have been enough to kind of giving you

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these figures on the margin of victory. I'm suggesting that the whole system is

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soaker upt that no detail of it
anywhere it is untainted. So, um,

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that's why we're never going to agree, because your facts are I would

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argue, tainted by association with their
sources. That's the problem. So we

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never came to agree. Um I
wanted to UM. So one of one

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of the contributors to The Daily Skeptic
had a point he wanted me to make

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to you in connection with UM your
theory about the fake Paul McCartney, he

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says, He says, So,
just leak at your the theory. Right,

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you think that Paul McCartney died in
sixty six, is it? Yeah?

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00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,159
In sixty six and was replaced by
a fake Paul McCartney. Now do

406
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:57,599
you think that the other members of
the Beatles kind of went along with this

407
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,519
or do you think that the fake
Paul McCartney was such a good fake that

408
00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:05,199
he fooled them along with everyone?
No? No, no, that the

409
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:12,840
person to get all this from is
a researcher called Sage of Key qu a

410
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:17,440
y I think it is, who's
done hours of research into this from all

411
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:25,239
angles, ranging from the suspiciously quick
time in which the albums were put together.

412
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,679
There's a suspiciously large number of songs
which which almost certainly could not have

413
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,840
been written by Lennon and McCartney,
but were written written for them by by

414
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,800
teams of So the essence of the
Sage of Key theory is that the Beatles,

415
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:50,880
like the Stones, were a social
engineering project project of the Tavistock Institute.

416
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,039
So the Paul is dead dead thing
is a small detail of that.

417
00:35:55,639 --> 00:36:05,000
So his theory is essentially that the
four Beatles were not particularly talented musicians.

418
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:09,840
They were selected for a role and
given assigned these these these personalities, and

419
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,119
that all the all the skilled work
was done in the studio by people like

420
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:22,679
their minder George Martin, who did
all the sort of the arrangements in the

421
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:27,960
production, the sort of all the
tird polishing um. But also that many

422
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:34,079
of their songs were written for them
and played for them by session musicians,

423
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,840
talented session musicians who encouraged the keeps
dum. Note for example, how the

424
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:45,679
Beatles almost never went on tour.
And remember when they first went to the

425
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:52,480
US, UM there were these screaming
girls who screamed so loudly that the Beatles

426
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:57,360
playing could not be heard, which
which was kind of convenient. Now sago

427
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,639
Key says that these girls were actually
paid fifty dollars apiece, which I think

428
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:07,559
is about the equivalent of UM,
a lot of money now ums with a

429
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:12,920
lot of money in nineteen in the
late sixties, UM. That was part

430
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,320
of the cover up. So so
so yeah, going back to Paul McCartney,

431
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:22,000
Paul McCartney died, the original Paul
McCartney UM, and was replaced by

432
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:29,480
a guy called William Shepherd, who
was actually a better musician, is a

433
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:35,119
better musician than than Paul McCartney,
and the other Beatles always kind of resented

434
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,920
this new character. He was also
nicknamed Billy Shears, hence the reference to

435
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:45,039
Billy Shears and the introduced you you
know, the woman only Billy Shears UM.

436
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,880
And there is obviously they're not going
to admit all this stuff. They're

437
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,079
going to think they've got strong reasons
to hide all this, but there is

438
00:37:53,760 --> 00:38:01,719
there is rare footage of for example, people who knew both pauls calling him

439
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:07,920
not Paul but Billy. I think
I think George Harrison's widow, I think

440
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:13,480
does it. Somebody else does it, So you know, there's there's a

441
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:17,199
there's enough, there's enough. According
to the theory, the other Beatles knew

442
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:21,480
about it, but just kept bird
about it. Because my friend's point is

443
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:28,480
that in Get Back, the documentary
by Peter Jackson filmed or Which which is

444
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,880
thought filmed in nineteen sixty nine,
Paul regularly makes detailed references to things that

445
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,280
happened to him and the group pre
nineteen sixty six. So if what you're

446
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,920
saying is true, that the reason
they don't call him out on that and

447
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,119
say, hey, you weren't a
lot, you weren't in the group then

448
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,800
because you're not the real Paul McCarten
is because they were in on it too.

449
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,400
But then doesn't that make them really
rather exceptional actors? Yes, which

450
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:55,159
I think that was there, that
was there, that was their I think

451
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,840
that's always in the same way that
the Monkeys were actors. I think I

452
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:04,719
think most people and this applies beyond
beyond popular music, by the way,

453
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,199
well beyond. But before you get
let me let me just before you before

454
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:17,800
you extend the hypothesis, Um,
if if the Beatles were basically like Manudo

455
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:22,519
or the Monkeys or the basically rollers, if they were a kind of manufactured

456
00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:30,000
band by kind of smarter people,
better musicians, Yeah, to two immediate

457
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:31,400
points arise. The first is,
well, why did they break up?

458
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,119
I mean, if they were just
paid actors, why did the band break

459
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:37,199
up? You know, it was
it was it was a cash cow and

460
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:42,360
just keep it going like they're rolling
stones. Second about money, Well,

461
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,800
it's okay, but whatever agenda they
had, why did it suit their agenda?

462
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,760
Had the band break up? Secondly? Maybe that was Secondly, if

463
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:53,119
the success of a band like the
Beatles can be manufactured with four amity musicians

464
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:58,400
who were good at acting, how
can they bottle this lightning so infrequently?

465
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,079
You know, if it had nothing
to do with the talents of the four

466
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:05,719
individuals, with their particular chemistry,
with the songwriting and musical ability of Lennon

467
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,880
and McCartney, Oh why didn't they
Why why couldn't they do it over and

468
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,719
over again? You know? Why
did it once once in a century kind

469
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,880
of phenomenon? Well, I'm not
sure. I'm not sure that that's true.

470
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:22,000
Um, I mean, look at
Oasis. Were Oasis ever any good?

471
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:24,159
I don't. I don't think so. Um. I remember going to

472
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:31,280
see Oasis is um first appearance at
at Glastonbury and and thinking because there's been

473
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,000
so much buzz about them, and
thinking, what is that it? This

474
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,960
is? This is the coming thing. I think this applies to a lot

475
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:46,440
so so that that suggests that that
musical success is contingent on the musical talent

476
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:53,800
of the members of the band.
At least you're effectively, you're effetively corroborating.

477
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,840
My my, my, my point
not to hear that it is.

478
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:07,880
It's obviously contingent on the individual's concern. They're not actors. They're difficult people,

479
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,400
but they're usually musically pretty talented,
particularly in the case of successful groups.

480
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,840
But if it's all manufactured by these
kind of dark, secretive figures behind

481
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,440
the scenes, why don't they manufacture
it again? You know, why didn't

482
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,519
they manufacture it in the case of
Oasis. You know, they've been more

483
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:27,880
bands. I think you complete misunderstand
my point. I'm saying that Oasis were

484
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,400
always crap, yet they became the
biggest band of their era. That that

485
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:36,840
okay, they had a few traits
that that you know Liam's funny singing style,

486
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,079
and that their tunes were quite catchy
because they're ripped off from the Beatles.

487
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:44,599
But I don't think they were particularly
special. I think you get sort

488
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:50,360
of you get sort of designated art
rock bands, like like Radiohead when I

489
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,039
was quite attached to Radiohead. But
but but it is now my view that

490
00:41:53,119 --> 00:42:00,239
nobody becomes big with that. And
this applies not just to music, but

491
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:07,480
to to literature, to to feel
of acting. Nobody becomes big without the

492
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:15,320
say so of the kebal people who
call the shots. It's always it's all

493
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,559
part of So I think the thing
you're going to have problems with with with

494
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:23,000
what I'm telling you about the peoples, is it that you find it inconceivable

495
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:30,079
that a body like the Tavistock Institute, even though it's that the same issue

496
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:35,599
that was its closure was announced recently
because of that, which is slightly different,

497
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:40,159
but but it's the Tavistock Institute was
founded when was it was in the

498
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:46,239
nineteen thirties, maybe later on,
but it is essentially a a sort of

499
00:42:47,320 --> 00:43:00,519
um. It's designed to enact cultural
shifts using the tricks of propaganda, of

500
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,480
psychological manipulation and so on. So
it thinks really big. So it's not

501
00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:08,400
just about about you know, you
going to see your psychiatrist and being persuaded

502
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,239
that all your problems are to do
with your relationship with your mother. It's

503
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:20,280
about shifting an entire generation into a
particular direct direction. So the purpose of

504
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,880
the Beatles and the Stones, for
example, was well, to create generational

505
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:34,280
divides between um Stones also very much. And isn't it funny that that you

506
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,599
had this yin in this yang.
So when Brian Jones died, why didn't

507
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,599
they just replace him with a fake
Brian Jones. Well, Brian Jones was

508
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:45,960
probably murdered and and and and perhaps
perhaps he was murdered in order that that

509
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:50,920
Mick Jagger, who was much more
pliable than on board with what was going

510
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,559
on, would become the creature that
Mick Jagger's become today. So yeah,

511
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:59,559
I mean, so just let me
continue my point. The purpose was to

512
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,480
create generational divide, to have parents
saying, turn that bloody racket down,

513
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:07,679
and the kids saying, I love
this music, dad, it's more it's

514
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,760
more life and you don't understone move
um. So that to encourage sex and

515
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,559
drugs and so on. It's it's
all part of the debasement of our culture.

516
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,559
Look, I mean I was into
this stuff, so so I can

517
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,960
hardly say that I was not dueped
to myself. But I think that big

518
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,079
picture, that is the reason that
this stuff matters doesn't really matter whether or

519
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:30,800
not. Paul dis odd that you've
kind of does It's odd that you've that

520
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:38,440
you've sort of um enlisted. You
imagine that rock and roll was essentially manufactured

521
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:46,280
by whoever they might be, in
order to kind of pursue their malevolent agenda.

522
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:51,039
I mean, surely, But wasn't
rock and roll? You know,

523
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,760
it isn't rock and roll pretty anti
establishment? It hasn't. It doesn't It

524
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,480
doesn't seem to. Yeah, I
mean, of course, of course it's

525
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,400
been. It's been co opted by
the establishment in various ways, and doesn't

526
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:07,960
clearly pose much of a threat to
you know, very successful tax accountants and

527
00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:15,000
lawyers and producers and promoters, and
you know, rock and roll bands are

528
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:20,280
now invited to White House inaugurations,
balls, et cetera. But you know,

529
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:24,760
in its original in its original rawst
form, it was pretty anti establishment

530
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:30,320
and posed a threat to the establishment. Rock and roll pretends to be anti

531
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,920
establishment. I don't buy into the
idea that it is actually anti establishment,

532
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,199
because ultimately it is serving. Depends
what you mean by the establishment, but

533
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,880
I mean, if you're referring to
the deep, deep stage or the cabal

534
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,519
or whatever, it very much serves
their serves their goals. Look, this

535
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:50,320
goes back a long way, James. I mean you're familiar with the phrase

536
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,840
bread and circuses. Yeah, but
just remind me why men wants to destroy

537
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:01,400
Western hard to listen to, Mike, don't. Don't just dismiss an important

538
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:07,280
point I'm making just because you don't
understand it. That the reason that juvenile

539
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,880
I think it was referred to bread
and circuses because it was a recognized technique

540
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:20,239
of manipulation, of control of the
populace. Partly you control them by brute

541
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,840
force, by by the fear of
what will happen to them, you know,

542
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,599
whether it's crucifixion or decimation or whatever. But partly you do it by

543
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,239
you provide them. You make sure
they've got their bread, so they've got

544
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:37,159
full bellis. And partly through circuses
you have popular entertainments which which which manipulate

545
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:42,199
the public mood. This is this
has gone on since and okay, you're

546
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,760
making You're making a slightly different point
there. I mean, I can see

547
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:52,559
why, um, you know,
m entertainers, the entertainment industry might be

548
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:59,920
you know, invested in as a
way to distract people from I don't know,

549
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:05,239
extreme inequality and make it less likely
that they'll will revolt the kind of

550
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,719
Marxist opium of the people. But
but, but, but you're you're not

551
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,760
saying rock and roll, bread and
circus is just used to kind of distract

552
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,840
and subdue populations. You're saying it
was used to pursue a kind of anti

553
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,360
Christian agenda to foster the collapse of
our society, which is a slightly different

554
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:28,360
point. So my argue, So
answer my original question, which is what

555
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,079
was that? Why do that is
often a point you make repeatedly. Why

556
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:37,199
why is it do you think in
the cabal's interests to undermine you know,

557
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:42,199
the fundamental reasons, the reason society, the reason anti Christian, the reason

558
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,480
that it's the same point actually is
that you need to approach this from first

559
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:52,519
principles. Um, you have to
first of all, accept which is not

560
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:58,800
not a difficult proposition to accept.
I don't think that there has always been

561
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,559
a a class in the world,
a sort of minority which has had the

562
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:12,039
bulk of the money and the power
um for whatever reason. How do they

563
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:17,719
how do they maintain their power when
they are for you and the massive humanity?

564
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,519
Are you know, people like you
and me? We are, we

565
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:22,119
are many. We could, we
could, we could, we could do

566
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:24,840
a game of thrones. We could, you know, we could, we

567
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,800
could rise up against our presses at
any time. Well, why don't we

568
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,119
do it? Well, one of
course, is we're frightened of being killed.

569
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:38,239
Maybe, but it would be very
very I think tense and troubling for

570
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:45,000
the for these, for the predator
class, if we spent our whole time

571
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,880
being only being held at bay by
by their their armed guards. And so

572
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,719
they have to find other ways of
keeping us in line, and one of

573
00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:00,920
the one of the ways they do
that is through deception through all manner of

574
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:07,000
things, ranging from seducing us with
nice spectacles like like well your your your

575
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:14,320
your hobby football back in the day, circuses and Christians being fed to the

576
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,920
lions and things another where they do
it. You're going beyond that, James,

577
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,679
You're not nearly claiming you're you didn't
hear my previous point. You're going

578
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:28,119
beyond claiming that the Cabal are trying
to distract us from the fact that they

579
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,199
hold power, got most of the
resources, et cetera, by distracting us

580
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:36,119
with these kind of ball balls,
these entertainments. You're saying that they're actually

581
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:40,480
pursuing a kind of anti Christian,
anti family, anti Western values agenda because

582
00:49:40,519 --> 00:49:45,079
that's in their interest, which is
you're going beyond merely the bread and circuses

583
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:47,320
hypothersis for saying, you know,
it's it's a kind of anti Christian,

584
00:49:47,519 --> 00:49:52,159
satanic kind of version a breaton.
What's their motive for that? You think

585
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:54,880
that actually would be in their interest
to have, you know, a small

586
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,840
C conservative society which was Laura abiding, respected the right to property and so

587
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,079
well, why are undermining those things, provoking civilized and too much? You're

588
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,519
assuming that, I don't know why
you think it's they would consider it in

589
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:15,199
their interests to have a small C
conservative society. They're completely different from us,

590
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:20,199
and they always have been. They
don't view us as being really anything

591
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,280
better than than cattle or or you
know, useless eaters. Is there is

592
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,880
their current fashionable phrase for us.
I mean people, I think Henry Kissinger

593
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:37,119
has used that phrase. I think
a few others they they they despise us.

594
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:42,119
They see us as as a million
means to an end. We are

595
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:45,559
just tools in the way that slaves
might be a tool for you, or

596
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,800
or cattle might be a tool.
You know, we're no better than that.

597
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:53,679
Um. They want to control us
through divide and rule. Which is

598
00:50:53,679 --> 00:51:00,400
why, for example, the example
I gave earlier about about separating creating a

599
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:07,760
generational divide, you ask you mentioned
the spiritual level, you mentioned Christianity,

600
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:12,360
because ultimately that is what this what
the battle is about. You've got the

601
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,320
battle that's been taking that is taking
place in the material between these these predator

602
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,519
class people and their kind of their
acolytes versus the rest of us. So

603
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:29,320
that's the kind of the war that's
taking place in terms of CBDCs and the

604
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:36,159
Death Jab and fifteen Minutes cities and
so on. But that is merely the

605
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:45,079
earthly representation of the spiritual war that
is taking place between good and evil.

606
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:51,239
It's ultimately the battle between the inheritors
of the Babylonian mystery religions, which are

607
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:57,400
essentially the forces of Luciferianism or Satanism, and the forces of light, which

608
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,280
are essentially Christians, which is why
they particularly hate Christians. That's so,

609
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,159
I do believe that what's happening in
the world is it is ultimately a spiritual

610
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:09,679
war, and that if you don't
understand that, you don't really get the

611
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,400
full picture of what's going on.
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's

612
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:22,480
it's just it's quite hard to grasp
your hypothesis when it's you know, most

613
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:28,239
people are familiar with the idea it's
been you know, popular on the left

614
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:34,079
and has been inherited by the woke, that there is a privileged class which

615
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:43,400
conspires to oppress the rest of the
world's population by promoting things like Christianity,

616
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,719
small c conservatism, the family,
and so forth. So it's it's quite

617
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,480
it's quite counterintuitive read that you say
that, what, well, where did

618
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,440
that theory come from? I didn't. I don't hear that. Well's I

619
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,559
heard that religion can sometimes be exploited, but I didn't think, well it

620
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:02,679
was Yeah, as marks who describe
what religion, Christianity is the opium of

621
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:10,840
the masses amongst you know, the
kind of dismissal of popular culture as a

622
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,960
kind of instrument of engendering false consciousness
amongst the proletariat was going to be that

623
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:22,199
as the kind of premise of most
cultural studies courses in red brick universities.

624
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:29,079
Um, you know, this idea
that popular culture has been manufactured by the

625
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:34,440
capitalist predator class to kind of keep
the masses down. That that that's a

626
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,840
fairly familiar idea. But but but
the idea that that that that all the

627
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:44,920
kind of anti social aspects, the
anti establishment aspects of it, were originally

628
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:50,199
manufactured because it's in the interests of
this predator class to cause division and to

629
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,400
cause social upheaval and kind of change
and all the rest of it. That

630
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:58,000
that that that that's counterintuitive and quite
hard. I think. I don't know.

631
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:02,440
Um well, I mean there's there's
there's a book which which writes all

632
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:06,480
this up. Um, I don't
know if you've ever Camels crossed it.

633
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,119
It's the best selling book in history. It's all there in the Bible.

634
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:15,599
I mean, it's it's all spelled
out with with with frightening accuracy. I

635
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:21,960
mean, I think that the death
jabs, for example, and c CBDCs

636
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:28,480
and the approaching digital ID are very
close to what is written in Revelation.

637
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:30,880
About you know, the mark of
the beast, and you know you can't

638
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:36,079
buy or sell unless you've got the
mark of the beast. That seems very

639
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:42,440
spookily prescient. Um. But but
yeah, I mean, I mean,

640
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,679
I know why you find it hard
to accept, because, after all,

641
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:53,360
we've been encouraged culturally to think of
Christianity and that view of the world,

642
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,880
that understanding of the world, I
mean, even the very notion of good

643
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:01,159
and evil as stuff that belongs to
a less enlightened period. That we sort

644
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:07,480
of kind of got over this stuff
during the Enlightenment, when when science and

645
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:13,400
rationalism replaced the sort of superstition of
religion. So this has been an ongoing

646
00:55:14,039 --> 00:55:20,559
process designed to discredit Christianity. And
then you've got Darwinism emerging in the nineteenth

647
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:24,840
century. Um that the idea that
we weren't after all created, that we

648
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:30,559
just kind of evolved from slime and
we're related to monkeys, which you know,

649
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:37,039
I mean, imagine what that does
to to the Christian notions of a

650
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,119
divine creator. So so it's it's
been been a war on God as predicted

651
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:45,440
in the Bible. Yes, I
suppose not that, I think just the

652
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:53,159
reason I struggle to kind of understand
your hypothesis is it's not because I've been

653
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:59,480
accustomed to think of Christianity as the
opium of the masses. So find kind

654
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:04,079
of anti Christianity being presented as a
kind of opiate hard to grasp. It's

655
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:07,440
more that I just would have thought
intuitively. I mean, I don't think

656
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,960
that, you know, I don't
obviously believe in the existence of the cabal.

657
00:56:10,039 --> 00:56:14,320
I, like you, Val think
the world is too complex to be

658
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,679
controlled by a small group of billionaires. And there Val, Well, you

659
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:22,840
think he's innocent. Well, I
don't think he's innocent. I think he's

660
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:30,719
I think WF terbs. I mean, so, I don't it makes my

661
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,400
point. I don't believe in the
w F conspiracy theory either. But no.

662
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,280
But my difficulty is, is I
mean, parking all that, let's

663
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:45,400
suppose there was a kind of all
powerful cabal who were controlling the mass media,

664
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:50,119
the American courts, elections across the
Western world and so forth. I

665
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,800
just find it hard to grasp why
you you you believe that they think that

666
00:56:54,840 --> 00:57:04,239
the promoting chaos, undermining the kind
of bedrock of Western civilization, promoting the

667
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:12,159
disintegration of our societies, promoting anarchy
in France and elsewhere, fostering wars,

668
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:15,239
bringing us to the brink of kind
of nuclear catastrophe. How that could possibly

669
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,760
be in their interests? You know, it's in their interest to live in

670
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:24,760
a relatively stable, orderly, small
sea conservative society in which people respect property

671
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:29,320
rights, including their property rights,
and pay their taxes. So it just

672
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:31,800
it just it's that's the kind of
counterintuitive thing, the fact that it could

673
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:37,000
be in the I mean, it's
one thing claiming that Bill Gates and clausch

674
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,360
Far are controlling us all. Don't
believe that for a second. But to

675
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,960
then go on to say that they're
responsible for unleashing chaos in the world because

676
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:50,400
it's in their interest for society to
essentially collapse, that's just kind of That's

677
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:54,280
that's where it just becomes completely incredible. I've heard you use this. I

678
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:59,119
don't understand why they're doing it,
Therefore it can't be happening, and your

679
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:02,079
Tanner responses not up to me to
explain that, Well, I don't have

680
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:07,800
my standard responses. Actually, look
at what they're doing, and look at

681
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:16,159
how the predictions of conspiracy theorists have
so called conspiracy theorists have had a really

682
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:24,320
weird, uncanny habit of coming true. So so we we warned that the

683
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:31,199
these these experimental medical procedures that were
being forced on upon us during COVID which

684
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:36,480
we which we we pointed out at
the time, was deeply suspect and there

685
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:39,239
didn't seem to be a real pandemic. We pointed out that these things could

686
00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:44,679
have adverse health consequences and low look
at the number of hang on, James,

687
00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:47,039
I think your kind of star.
You're you're rewriting. Yeah, you're

688
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:53,159
rewriting history there a little bit.
Wasn't your prediction two years ago that um

689
00:58:53,280 --> 00:59:00,480
that that the COVID vaccines which you
described as the kills jobs Jeff abs and

690
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:06,639
still do. We're being rolled out
with a view to decimating populations on the

691
00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:09,800
part of the cabal, and story
reduced the pout of the people now die.

692
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,280
Excess death may be elevated, well, but it doesn't seem like anything

693
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,599
like as apocalyptic and outcome. Originally, not enough has taken place, Enough

694
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,719
people have died. But I'm sorry
for you about that because it suggests that

695
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,800
you were big, a bit paranoid. Different for you to think that the

696
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,920
jobs will face safe and effective.
I wonder I don't think they're safe and

697
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,639
effective. People. Let's hold on. You're doing your usual thing, which

698
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:35,679
is to kind of present it as
binary. What do you think they're the

699
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:39,079
death jab or they're safe and effective. I don't think that they're safe and

700
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:45,079
effective, but I don't think they're
They're designed to kill people. And the

701
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:49,880
fact that not nearly as many people
as you predicted would die have died,

702
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,119
it suggests that you were wrong about
that. Maybe a bit of humility I

703
00:59:54,199 --> 01:00:00,280
exaggerated the dangerous jabs were. They
haven't as many people as I I thought.

704
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,719
Why don't you just would you?
Would you? Would you take that?

705
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:07,320
Take the vaccine you feel so cocky
about again you wassenting as a binary

706
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,079
choice. No, I wouldn't.
But if I did, I didn't think

707
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:13,599
it would actually kill me. I
just think the risk benefit analysis suggest that

708
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:16,639
I think it would be better.
I think it would be UM, well,

709
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:22,039
very very foolish. Look, I
think that the consequences of these jabs

710
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:27,599
are going to be felt for some
time. I mean over over years,

711
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:30,039
if not decades, And we don't
know this. This is like the people

712
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,719
who said that when we see the
hailbop commet. The world's going to end

713
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:37,760
well on that occasion, but maybe
next time it comes around it this is

714
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,960
you. This is your personal shifting
the gold post. So your best line

715
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:45,360
is that not enough people died from
the no I was you were you were,

716
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,480
you were, you were, you
were. You were preening and claiming

717
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:54,039
credit for your conspiracy theory about the
vaccines having come true. You're saying,

718
01:00:55,719 --> 01:01:00,719
but that hasn't because your conspiracy theory
was it would kill tens of millions of

719
01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:04,960
people, billions, It would decimate
the world's population. It was part of

720
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:10,320
a sinister satanic depopulation agen and excess
deaths are slightly elevated. I'm not expressing

721
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:15,039
disappointment about that. I still be
pointing out but nothing like the deaths of

722
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:19,679
a cur that you predicted to you, I find really too pride. Having

723
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:22,760
accurately predicted what was originally dismissed as
a conspiracy, they really just turned out

724
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,760
to be true. It hasn't done
how to be true. It still there

725
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:30,559
are people. There are people all
over the country who've who are living with

726
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:37,079
terrible injuries, who've lost relatives,
people who've had children's got my car,

727
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:43,639
dietist people who've had their quality of
life shortened or curtailed permanently because of they

728
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:49,440
were coerced by by their governments into
taking a medical experimental treatment that they didn't

729
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:53,119
need. And your response is,
look at you, James, you were

730
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:58,960
wrong about the vaccines because there weren't
more people who died. Well, ay,

731
01:01:59,199 --> 01:02:01,800
we don't know how many people are
going to die of these these death

732
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,119
jabs. I still believe our death
jabs. Of course, it was going

733
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:08,960
to always going to be impossible to
put a number on how many would die

734
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,079
at any given time, because we
don't know, for example, how many

735
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:16,960
of these shots were saline. We
don't There seems to be a strong batch

736
01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:22,079
batch variation. But I don't think
it's a really strong point to stand on

737
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:30,840
to gloat that actually not enough people
died to confirm that these things were completely

738
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,400
wrong and utterly immoral. And it's
not just the vaccines, by the way,

739
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:39,800
the death jabs. It's things like
um fifteen minutes, cities, the

740
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:46,880
coming war on I mean, how
increasingly difficult it is to run a business

741
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:52,440
using cash, to get banking facilities. All these things that we we predicted

742
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:59,639
and are now becoming more and more
real and all you're saying is not enough

743
01:02:59,679 --> 01:03:04,199
people died as results of the vaccines
to prove you are totally right, which

744
01:03:04,239 --> 01:03:07,960
I think is a bizarre thing to
crow about. Well, James, it

745
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:14,159
was only in response to your crowing
about your conspiracy theory about the vaccines having

746
01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:17,320
come true. And I'm merely I'm
not I'm not excused. It's a it's

747
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,599
a range of issue that we write
or not just I think, look that

748
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:24,840
we were right that the vaccine,
you weren't really you haven't killed nearly as

749
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:29,360
many people as you predicted. I
don't think I ever put a figure on

750
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,880
it. Well, why why don't
you go through go through the through the

751
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:36,960
whole podcast and see see whether I
I said how many people are going to

752
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:37,760
die? I don't think I did. Well, I think that this is

753
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:44,800
your death suggest your reins. I
do. I don't deny called them the

754
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:49,760
death job, but I think that's
slightly different from me number to die.

755
01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:53,119
So you've invented this story about that
I put the number on it, which

756
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:57,159
I think I'd have been very foolished
to do. I said that large numbers

757
01:03:57,159 --> 01:04:00,599
of people, that people were going
to suffer from this, going to die

758
01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:02,920
and be injured, and I don't
think I've been proved wrong. So if

759
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,679
that's your best shot, I would
say it's pretty feeble. Toby, Well,

760
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,880
I think you just ought to be
slightly hesitant about bragging that your conspiracy

761
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:18,000
theory about the vaccines has turned out
to be true when that conspiracy theory was

762
01:04:18,199 --> 01:04:25,559
that they were manufactured by people working
for the cabal with a view to deliberately

763
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:30,199
killing people. You're really really keen
to flog this dead horse because it's kind

764
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:33,679
of all you've got, isn't it. It's kind of you say that you're

765
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:42,159
you still believed that. So anyways, let's let's say your subs teeth.

766
01:04:42,239 --> 01:04:45,360
Yeah, you've, you've, you've, you've You've made your only point that

767
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:50,679
you can make. That's not enough
people died from the from the vaccine,

768
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:56,079
James. I'm not saying, well, not enough people died for to justify

769
01:04:56,159 --> 01:05:00,840
you continue death job. Yes,
they are death jobs. All those people

770
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,039
who died they were victims of a
death jab, weren't they They didn't need

771
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:08,239
to take it, it killed them. I call that a death jab by

772
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:11,920
definition. But the implication is,
if you take a death jab, you're

773
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,679
going to die. But if a
death jab only kills, you know,

774
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,119
zero point zero one percent of the
people who take it. Then describing it

775
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:21,760
as a death jab sounds like the
same way conspiracy. When you call it

776
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,440
the clot shot, everyone is going
to get a blood shot. I don't

777
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,280
think it quite works like that,
Toby. I think I think you played

778
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,320
fast and loose with I don't think
so. I think I think you're rowing

779
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:36,920
back a bit on how apocalyptic you
were about the COVID vaccines when they were

780
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:42,480
first rolled out. But if you're
if you're acknowledging that you exaggerated how harmful

781
01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:45,679
they were. No, I'm not. I'm not acknowledging anything. I'm actually

782
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,239
just full of kind of well,
I didn't have discussed I'm kind of used

783
01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:53,079
to who you are and what you
do. But I think that it's a

784
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:58,079
very feeble point who you are and
what you do. Does that mean I

785
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:01,000
think people can see it played out? I mean, I don't know why

786
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:08,639
you are still determined after all this
time to affect nonchalance about these that this

787
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:14,679
extraordinary period in which on the basis
of a fake pandemic, there was no

788
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,920
pandemic, on the basis of that, that that governments around the world coerced

789
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:24,599
their citizens into injecting stuff into them
which could only cause them harm, which

790
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:28,360
was going to cause them no benefit. The idea that you are still defending

791
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,559
this position as somebody sort of claims
to be a defender of freedom and conservatives

792
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:34,840
not defending it, what makes thing
I'm defending it? Well, I don't

793
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:41,840
understand why you're crowing about either either
you think it was a conspiracy designed to

794
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,239
kill people or you're defending the policy. Um, there is, there is,

795
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,760
there is a more nuanced middle position, James. That's my position.

796
01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:55,199
You seem to be unable to accept
that that that you know, either you're

797
01:06:55,239 --> 01:06:58,159
on your side or you're on the
other side, and there's no but no,

798
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,199
I don't, I don't, And
I I think it's it's entirely possible

799
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:06,760
that that I mean that that these
these deaths, I think I think a

800
01:07:08,239 --> 01:07:13,559
huge number of work on work on
a number of levels that partly it was

801
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:20,679
just the most enormous cash cow for
companies like FISA and the crooks who who

802
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:25,360
are on a large scale invested in
them, knowing what was coming, knowing

803
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,199
that the pandemic was was was fake, and that partly, yes, it

804
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:34,719
was part of the depopulation agenda UM, and and that that expresses itself not

805
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:40,679
just in the people who've actually been
killed by these things, whether through through

806
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,920
my heart trouble or blood plots,
but also in the effects that they had

807
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:50,519
on pregnant women. I know loads
and loads of of of of well I

808
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,800
know, I don't want to give
the details, but I know people who

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work in fertility clinics who've reported that
that UM women who are trying to get

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pregnant or having real trouble getting pregnant, and this is this is unprecedented.

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So I don't think they work on
just the level of killing everyone who takes

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them. That would be implausible because
well I would never have argued that,

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because people would notice. They're much
more subtle than that. So partly it's

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about sterilization. Partly it's about long
term toxicity, damage to the immune system.

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Sometimes it's immediate. That's how it
works. Yes, they are part

816
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of a deepopergenda, but population agenda. We're never going to agree on this,

817
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but I don't think that it's a
very strong point to say not enough

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people died, therefore you're wrong.
Okay, Well, we'll just have to

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agree to disagree about that, but
just to clarify, I'm are you having

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the last word? Well yeah,
well you keep trying to mischaracterize my position.

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I feel obliged to all right,
I won't bother James. Let's move

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of your favorite podcast platforms, said
James, I've got a film to recommend

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for you called um They Cloned Tyrone. Have you heard about this? No?

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So it's It's It's It's I think
it's a film made by a first

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time African American filmmaker. It's just
been released on Netflix's UM. It stars

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Jamie Fox, and that was the
kind of this weird kind of conspiracy theory

834
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about how Jamie Folks died and been
cloned. But coincidentally, he's just been

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in a film about clones called They
Cloned Tyrone. But you'll like it.

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It's kind of like a kind of
it's like a cross between a kind of

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pastiche slash homage to the blaxploitation genre
and they live the kind of classic John

838
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Carpenter conspiracy minded film. So it's
about this black community called the Glen.

839
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It doesn't actually specify where in America
it is. And beneath the Glen there

840
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:39,000
is this kind of rabbit warren of
laboratories where these white scientists are carrying out

841
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experiments on the black population who live
on the surface, and they're trying to

842
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:51,800
control their minds through things like hair
straightening products and fried chicken. And they're

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doing it supposedly with some kind of
benign intention of making America a more peaceful

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place and reducing violent crime. But
you know that that that they're ok that

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their their overarching agenda seems to be
to kind of commit genocide against the black

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race, but over a number of
generations. But but but it's so it's

847
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:20,000
a kind of conspiracy thriller, conspiracy
theories, sci fi thriller. But quite

848
01:11:20,079 --> 01:11:24,159
up your alley. I mean,
I think it has kind of woke components

849
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and kind of clearly some of it
is informed by the kind of black power

850
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:33,479
black panther agenda, depicting kind of
white people as intent on the destruction of

851
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kind of African Americans, and also
the depiction of kind of African American popular

852
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,800
culture music, as well as hairs
trating products and fried chicken and grape juice,

853
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:50,279
all depicted as kind of devices used
to control and suppress a population that

854
01:11:50,319 --> 01:11:56,520
would otherwise be rebelling against their kind
of against socioeconomic injustice. But anyway,

855
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,000
it's quite up your alley. It's
quite well done. I quite. It's

856
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,279
a little bit it's a little bit
long, and it's a little bit rambling

857
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,159
in points, and some of the
dialogue is very quick, so it's possible

858
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:10,159
to miss some of the jokes,
but for the most part it's actually pretty

859
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:14,479
entertaining, pretty good. Okay,
right, someone orders, then is again

860
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:20,600
they cloned tyrone? They cloned tyrone? Okay, Well that's is it?

861
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:27,199
Okay? Yeah, I watched that, um I but the anything I've watched

862
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:33,920
is an Indian series called Cora.
Um. I didn't mention that last week,

863
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:39,159
did I? No? No?
No? Okay, So you know

864
01:12:39,239 --> 01:12:46,560
how English and actually American crime series
are now pretty much unwatchable because you know

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that the crimes are going to be
solved by somebody who is black and or

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01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:54,199
female, and that the killer is
always going to be white, middle class

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01:12:54,279 --> 01:13:01,479
male, and that the police never
paint their police car um in rainbow colors

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01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:08,720
or arrest people for Herty tweets on
Twitter. Um. So the world it

869
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:14,520
depicts is implausible and you know now
how it's going to end. Um.

870
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:20,840
But in India, or at least
judging by this series Cora, they still

871
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:29,960
have Sweeney style policing and unreconstructed um
characters in the in the in the police

872
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:34,840
just beating up suspects and not taking
any nonsense. They always assume that everyone's

873
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,840
lying to them as they as they
are. I mean, there's clearly a

874
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:43,600
high level of mistrust of the police, distrust of the police in the Punjab

875
01:13:44,199 --> 01:13:48,560
and anyway, it's a sort of
murder mystery. But as often with these

876
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:55,359
with these TV series, these foreign
TV series, that what's really interesting about

877
01:13:55,359 --> 01:13:59,920
them isn't so much the plot.
It's just all the glimpses you get into

878
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:04,479
a completely alien culture. So I
was salivating over the over the samosa that

879
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:11,399
the guy had in his in his
police station, really really crispy, and

880
01:14:11,399 --> 01:14:15,479
and and the endless glasses of chai
that gets brought to them, and their

881
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,840
approach to crime solving. So that
so they turn up on the scene of

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01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:24,640
crime and it's it starts off no
spoilers here with them with a body being

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01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:30,640
found in in rural in the rural
Punjab, and their first reaction is to

884
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,840
beat up the guy who found the
body and accused him of being a liar.

885
01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:40,600
And then they round up all the
local drug addicts and strip them down

886
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:44,840
to their underwear and beat them with
sticks, trying to get a confession out

887
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:49,399
of them. And you're you're not
quite sure at first what what your position

888
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:54,159
is meant to be on these these
you know, on the on the I

889
01:14:54,199 --> 01:14:56,920
don't know where his rank is,
is your police sergeant in his sidekick?

890
01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:00,279
What you what? How you're meant
to feel towards these characters. Are are

891
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:04,600
these indications that these are bad guys? Or is this just routine policing?

892
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:09,600
And it becomes clear this is just
routine policing. This is just right anyway,

893
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:15,960
please, it's it's it's entertaining and
and different. And what's it called?

894
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:21,079
Cora k O h R R A. I think it is? Okay?

895
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:26,000
And what's it? Is it on
Netflix? On Netflix? Okay?

896
01:15:26,119 --> 01:15:31,039
Yeah, I've also I've also watched
the new Taylor Taylor Hackford series. Is

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01:15:31,039 --> 01:15:33,840
it Taylor Hackford? Maybe? No, No, it's not. It's um

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01:15:34,119 --> 01:15:40,479
what's the name of the guy who
did Mr Taylor Sheridan? So, so

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01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:45,119
the new Taylor Sheridan series on Paramount
Plus. He just seems to work exclusively

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01:15:45,159 --> 01:15:48,159
for Paramount Plus, which is part
of the way I subscribe to Paramount Plus.

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01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,840
Um, yeah, the UK parent
I mean, but you can get

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01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:56,800
all his series on UK Paramount Plus
anywhere. The new one is called Lioness

903
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,600
and it stars Zoe Salvi Dina.
Is that how you pronounce her name?

904
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:05,920
I wouldn't know. She's in she's
the love interest in Guardians of the Galaxy.

905
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:11,479
Um anyway, so she's green in
Guardians to the Galaxy. She's not

906
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,039
green in this, but it's it's
about this kind of she plays a kind

907
01:16:15,079 --> 01:16:23,279
of CIA agent um officer rather,
and she kind of cut sheet sheet.

908
01:16:23,319 --> 01:16:30,359
She runs an agent who goes undercover
to try and get close to a Middle

909
01:16:30,359 --> 01:16:34,720
Eastern terrorist mastermind so the CIA can
take him out. But it's it's very

910
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:39,760
well done, it's very entertaining.
It's a bit it's quite similar to Tehran.

911
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:45,439
And if you saw that series on
Apple TV Plus called Tehran about Mossad

912
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,159
running an agent in Iran and she
was undercover and trying to get close to

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01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:55,840
the Defense minister. So anyway that
it's it's similar ish to that, but

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01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,640
it's it's very good. So yeah, I'm a massive fan of Taylor Sheridan.

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01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,640
Even got remember's name. Um okay, uh yeah, I thought it

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01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,159
out because that could be that could
be a thing to review. So I'll

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01:17:05,159 --> 01:17:08,880
see you next week. Okay,
all right, when I'm out a book

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01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,560
to holiday by, then I can
tell you about it. Okay, good,

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01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,920
all right, okay, good all
right, okay, good bye.

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