This is London Calling London Calling well. The global cabal theory, it has
many variations, but basically there is a small group of people, a small
cabal that secretly controls everything that is happening in the world. All the wars,
all the revolutions, all the epidemics, everything that is happening is controlled
by this very small group of people or of course evil and have bad intentions.
And this is this is a very well known story that it's not new,
It's been there for thousands of years. It's very attractive. Welcome to
London calling with me James Delingport and my very good friend mister Toby Young terms.
I see you're still in the country for a change in the UK.
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not planning to go away again um this summer,
although my wife has rented somewhere in Norfolk for a week that coincides with
a tennis tournament called n Stanton, which she and two of my sons have
been entering for the last three or four years or so. In fact,
Caroline one the Ladies Doubles Cup one year with her one of her best friends
and her tennis coach Brady, and that we've had to give it back the
following year and it hasn't been one since, but Caroline is quite hopeful this
year. She's playing with the daughter of some friends of ours. He's pretty
good, so I don't know if they're seeded, but it could be quite
exciting. Well for you, Norfolk. Norfolk is is I think probably the
second smartest place to go for your your summer after Cornwall. Well I was
thinking, if you're really, really, really smart, you probably go up
to Scotland, don't you. In orbit somebody's somebody's estate. Um, but
maybe below that the sort of upper upper middle classes would go to Norfolk.
And then yeah, it was surprised at the Understanding Tennis Tournament. It's like
a kind of it's like a throwback to um, you know, the cheese
and wine appreciation society in Oxford in the nineteen eighties, except all the people
we saw there are now middle aged and um, red faced with blood vessels
bursting on their noses, and their kids all got all got mullets or wearing
very short skirts. Yeah. Yeah, Um, I still haven't planned my
where I'm going to go for the summer because I just like I'm terrified that
um, well, all sorts of things. Yeah, the travel, the
travel problem, which we've dealt with before. Where where where they try and
make your life hell to dissuade you from traveling ever again? And then like
where is where it was good to go to? You didn't? You didn't
rape me Yorker. I'm thinking of Greek island. But what Greek islands haven't
been ruined? Mm hm anyway, luxury problems. Um, I had a
lovely weekend in um Endorset. Um, I hadn't had an event there.
One of my live podcast things. I think you plugged it on Clive to
Carl and it was it was great. I mean the best thing Clive to
Carl is he's sort of the guru for all things alternative health. Okay,
so um, the vitamins and things that, all the different potions that you
can and dietary of course, he's a he's a fount of knowledge. And
how many and what what was the capacity of the venue? Well? I
think we had stunder two hundred people there, which is obviously not not on
a par with my big London events, but I kind of like the smaller
ones. Um. The only thing I will say is that they're like details
that One of the problems about about doing my my shows is that you've got
to find a venue which is counsel proof, and it's really quite hard these
days to find find somewhere that isn't going to get freaked out by a phone
call saying you know, do you realize that James Danningpole is a dangerous conspiracy
theorist or whatever. I mean. The people are people are very easily cowed.
Um. But it Yeah. It was a sort of a sort of
health club with lots of tables and chairs in it and a stage and we
sat on the stage and as ever, I was blown away by what an
extraordinary mix of people come to my things. So you had every everyone,
everyone from sort of blond blonde ladies with cut glass accents to a man with
dogs on ropes who I believe was from the from the from the traveler community,
and he was fantastic. He came up to me and and pledged his
allegiance to me, and he liked me. Do you know why? Do
you know why he liked me? Most of all because of the fake Paul
McCartney theory. No no dinosaurs, No, You're never going to get no.
No, it's because because I'm a hunting man, okay, and and
there's there's clearly a kind of bond. I really want to go and see
him. I want to I want to go and meet him with his with
his people, because I'm kind of I've kind of gone. I don't know
what. I don't know what what you're meant. They called gypsies, you
call the traveler. I know what the correct term is. But what I've
what I realized I didn't realize before, is that these people have got it
long before the rest of us. They realized all along that the world was
a conspiracy of this kind of these kind of elites against the ordinary people.
And the reason that they don't take part in the system is because they've never
they've never believed in it, is my theory anyway. You know. One
one interesting debate we have in my household is whether the word gypsy is a
kind of pejorative racial epiffect, or whether it's acceptable and not just acceptable to
the traveler community, but acceptable to people acceptable to the traveler community for other
people to use it about the travel community. But I I remember from my
education days that there was I think an education category in all the kind of
Department for Education tables about pupil attainment, which was GRT, which stands for
Gypsy Roma Traveler. So I think that's just I mean that you see,
this is how they so arrange it. They are constantly changing the acceptable terms
in order to rung foot you, so that bleeding heart liberals like Utoby are
always walking on eggshells. Always the answer to the question, James, or
do you just not care? I mean, with this gentleman, I think
no, no, no, I'm sure you wouldn't. I'm sure because because
he considers me a good bloke, because I don't think it matters. But
you know, I'd like to use whatever or whatever his preferred term is,
just because I can see that he's a he's a brother now, and I
obviously I don't want to don't want to want to upset my brothers. But
yeah, beyond that, I think it's just just absolute bollocks. It's like
you remember how how when we were in the nineteen seventies, maybe people would
use a term like colored people, and that was the polite word. But
if you but if you use colored now, that would be considered really really
offensive. Yes, So the debating point in my household. Is is the
term gypsy like the term colored And I think the answer is no, at
least not yet. I just googled it and there was a category in the
twenty twenty one National Census which was Gypsy or Irish traveler. So it is
still a designation for a particular population that hasn't yet been ruled out of bounds
by the kind of thought police as far as I know. Yeah. Yeah,
anyway, I was very, very taken with Dorset Bridport. I thought
was really nice. But there have been debates in my among my people as
to whether Bridport is an absolute woke nightmare or whether it is actually quite awake.
And I think the answer is it depends where you go. For example,
there were bookshops with different allegiances. So one of the bookshops has got
has got sort of rainbow flags and stuff in the in the window. Another
has got copies of the light paper. Yeah, yeah, same is awake.
Yeah, I think I think the same. Yes, I think the
same is broadly true of totness, which is I mean I lived in a
in a I lived in the country in South Devon for teen the ages of
thirteen and seventeen for four years, and our nearest town was Totness, and
Totness was recently singled out, I think by Marianna Springs in a BBC Verify
report about what can happen if we allow misinformation on social media to go unchallenged,
and it talked about, you know, how Totness have become a kind
of anti vaxer haven, and how a local mayoral candidate had been barracked because
of a proposed lt N or something along those lines. And of course opposition
to ltens is bracketed with opposition to the vaccines and general kind of far right
extremism in the eyes of these anti misinformation police officers. But it's interesting that
that top nest back in my day, which was I mean I lived there
in I guess it was that it was in the late seventies. Um it
was really the equivalent of woke today. So it was full of kind of
right on trendy, left of center people. But what were considered, you
know, the kind of fashionable bien pensant opinions of the day, were you
know, embracing alternative medicine, acupuncture, Cairo practi or wherever it's called.
Um it was, and it you know and they and they were all kind
of environmentalists before their time, into organic vegetables and growing their own and of
course there was a kind of druggy component to um and then he had these
there were these kind of hippie fares like hood Fare, which would take place
sort of once a year um And But but today that kind of community has
kind of morphed into what you'd call via wake, hasn't it, And they're
no longer no part of the kind of woke tribe. I think it's I
think it's a a noticeable facet of places like top Nests, Breadport, I
guess, probably Bright and certainly Stroud, where you have this massive division.
You know, you've got a high proportion than normal of people that want one
might loosely have bracketed alternative or hippie types or whatever. But there was a
big divide within those within that group, between those who are into all the
eco bollocks and and to willingly submitted to the death jab and don't see any
any you know, anything weird about net zero and so on, and those
who are completely awake to everything that's going on. And I noticed this one
I I did a speaker thing in Stroud last year and that the awake people
there are absolutely fantastic. You know, somebody brought me. I always get
brought these lovely, lovely gifts and people often bring me things like raw milk,
which, as you probably know, is what is the only kind of
milk you want to drink. You don't want to be drinking anything that's been
pasteurized. It gets ruined and things like that. And they gave me a
fantastic reception. But it was touch and go whether the event was going go
ahead because the aggressively woke section of Stroud tried to get it cut closed down.
So that's how it works, yes, and you can see yeah,
and you can see that. I mean, I think that division is also
particularly pronounced in university towns like Oxford and Cambridge, which are in Bristol and
Edinburgh, which are proposing to introduce you know, fifteen minute cities, fifteen
minute neighborhood and you see the kind of that there's a clear division between the
kind of extinction rebellion just stop oil net zero fanatics on one side, and
the people you designate as awake on the other. Do you reckon? I
don't think they exist in the university terms the awake at all. Well,
there was that big protest in Oxford, wasn't there Were they all outsiders coming
in? I don't think. And then there's this guy, you know,
there's this guy, Florence Pew's dad who's become one of the spokespeople for the
kind of anti lt N movement in Oxford because he's just had he has a
chain of cafe slash restaurants in Oxford and he's just had to close one as
a consequence of an lt N being aggressively introduced in the neighborhood at this particular
restaurant. And he was it was in the Telegraph today and he was interviewed
by Together and it's but he's become a kind of spokesrother together Together. Yeah,
yeah, they're controlled opposition. They're not really, They're not. They
really are. No, so long to go into here, But no,
I don't trust them with a barge pole. If they're inting something that's that's
that's not a good sign. So who but sorry, did you see did
you see what we were on together? I mean, I can't agree with
you there, James. I think they're perfectly good fake of course you think
that jabs. But they're on the same side as you, not they they
are they purport to be on the same side, and they they well,
they're antil they're anti ulo's expansion, they are mandates. They well, they
wouldn't exactly be very convincing um fakes, would they if they didn't embrace on
of our causes? Good? Who was any did did you see were on
it? Did you see that there was a picture of um a meeting organized
by Together to protest about the rollout of an LTN summer in Dorset actually,
and a local Lib DEM counselor retweeted the picture. There was a picture was
an empty hall that they all had kind of anti ULA's banners on all of
the chairs instead of people, and this Lib Dem counselor said he would happily
gassed the lot of them, or words to that effect, which was pretty
shocking. He was immediately banned from Twitter. And but lib Dems are not
not kicking him out or suspending him. They're just sending him on a kind
of an awareness of social media awareness. Who would he happily have gassed the
anti ULA's protesters at this meeting in Dorset organized by Together? Yeah, I
think carbon monoxide was a similarity between liberalism and Nazism, So I can see
why. I can see why he'd have been comfortable saying stuff like that.
Blimey, yeah, lovely people yeah, so um so on the subject,
I think, did you see the Uval Harari comment in which he basically said
there was a very thin line between conspiracy theorists and Nazis? So it was
I think he was interviewed for a podcast and he said and he called for
conspiracy theorists to be banned from the Internet because of their dangerous belief that a
global clique of elites control the world. So I'll just reading this with James.
Harari condemned the theory that a shadowy elite of billionaires and globalists control the
world. He called it anti semitic and dangerous. During an appearance on Lex
Friedman's podcast, Harari noted that the world is too complex to be controlled by
powerful people. Quote, according to conspiracy theorist, there was a small group
of people, the cabal, who secretly control everything that happens in the world.
All wars, all revolutions, all epidemics, everything that happens is controlled
by this very small group of people who are of course evil and had bad
intentions. This is a very well known story. It's not new. It's
very appealing because, first of all, it's simple, and you don't have
to understand everything that's going on in the world. You just have to understand
one thing, the war in Ukraine, the Israeli Palestinian conflict, five g
technology COVID nineteen. It's simple. There is this global cabal. They are
doing all these things. So he warned that these crises are often blamed on
Jews or Freemasons. Quote, if we just get rid of this little group,
we will solve all of the problems of the world. Salvation. It's
simple, it's attractive, and that's why so many people believed in it.
And he then went on to compare belief in the Cabal to Nazism. He
argued that Nazis also believed that a clique was trying to control the world.
Quote, the basic idea of the Nazis was that the Jews control the world.
Get rid of the Jews, you solve all the world's problems. So
there you go, James, that seems like you hear that quite often as
a way of dismissing conspiracy theories or a way of arguing that people who promote
them should be banned from the Internet. There's a thin line between conspiracy theorists
and anti semitism, and that in turn will be you are you are you
Team uval or or or team Team Well, I'm not, I'm not on
this one. I'm not Team uvell And actually, um, I did have
a chance, isn't it. He's he's I mean, he's he's he's he's
definitely UM at the forefront of the UM, the literary stroke pseudo scientific branch
of the of the World Economic Forum. Isn't he I mean, he's had
these these best sellers, really pushing the transhumanist agenda, which is part of
the wf's I mean here he is actually actually describing with some accuracy that the
nature of the of the conspiracy um. You know that there is a there
is a tiny elite, not like to use the word elite, sort of
the rizarkabal, which which has been operating for since the beginning of time.
That's the thing. So it's no wonder people keep talking about this thing through
the ages, because in different variations, these same people have been running the
world and conspiring to to make the lives of us, the useless eaters,
miserable, and it's just that they now have the technology to do it on
a global scale. So so, yeah, but you're right about the free
speech issue issues that this guy is basically saying that people who want to talk
about these ideas, which which they can support with evidence, are some kind
of unto mentioned who who are Well, I don't know. He wants he
wants to bracket us with the Nazis, but I'm not sure that that's a
fair analogy. Well, how do you respond? I mean, you must
have been confronted about this before, but what's your kind of standard response when
people say, James, when you talk about a cabal of people who've been
running the world for two thousand years, Um, it does sound a lot
like an anti Semitic conspiracy theory, even though you yourself, Yeah, I
think, I think, I think that anti Semitism is one of those is
one of those boo words which has been which is which is used cavalierly,
like racist or climate change denier or the conspiracy theorist or tinful hat. There's
there's a whole range of insults that they've they've developed to close down the argument.
And it's as simple as that. I don't. I mean, I
think it was George Soros who who? Who? Who stated that? Or
sorry it is said that because because George Soros, who is involved in so
many of these conspiracies, because he's one of the bad men, he funds
a lot of the alleged grassroots organization in order to promote the agenda of the
Kebal that because he happens to be Jewish, that somehow to criticize what he's
doing is anti Semitic. Well, it doesn't really matter what religion George Sorros
is, you know, if what he's doing is wrong, and it's wrong,
and it ought to be it ought not to be beyond criticism. So
I think the label anti Semitism is used far, far too options too often
to just close down the argument, and that's wrong. Don't. Don't you
find though, that sometimes you have kind of people who are anti Semitic,
kind of gravitating. Now I don't, I don't, I don't bind the
term at all. I don't. I simply do not know what the term
actually means, because I don't think that there are they even exist, the
people who sort of go oh, I hate the Jews. The Jews are
really horrible. Why would you um that? But there's there's a there's a
world of difference between between say um that and UH saying well, uh,
I mean I I don't get it. I genuinely don't don't don't get this
the term has any validity. It's like like racists, what does it mean?
I know very few people who actually hate people because of the color of
their skin. Um, it's just I think, well, I mean,
clearly are people who have a kind of irrational hatred of Jews. UM,
not least some you know, um, Islamic extremists, particularly in the Middle
East, but also in parts of Europe like UM, like France, for
instance, Marseille. Who do you know target Jews Jewish businesses when there are
outbreaks of civil unrest or even when there aren't. UM And and the kind
of strain of anti Semitism amongst kind of American far right groups. I think
there are many different I think there are many different elements in the criminal cabal
that runs the world, and clearly some of them are going to be Jewish,
and I think that the fact that they're Jewish should not render them beyond
criticism. But I think that it's not just Jewish people. I mean,
I think you know, you've got the Jesuits, You've got the bloodlined families,
You've got all manner of of extremely dodgy people who have the power in
the world, the old aristocracy, the old the European rural houses. They're
not or Jewish. So I personally haven't got any particular beef with with the
Jews, and I don't think that most people in my line of thinking have,
So I don't. I don't. I don't buy I don't buy that
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What else have you been up to? J And so there any stories
that have caught your attention? Looks like DeSantis is candidacy is fading, and
well, good, well good. I mean I not, you know,
I totally don't care about this, but but but I always knew that Desantists
was just a kind of establishment creature posing as as I mean, they all
are. Everyone is an establishment creature posing is something they're not. But I
thought that Desantists was a particularly egregious example because he had people, people on
the right saying, yeah, Florida, look how well Florida performed in in
during during COVID de santisism. Man, he's not, He's just he's a
green studge apart from anything else. So now, ye see, I I
disagree. I think he'd course, of course you did Toobes. I mean,
he was going to be your man. He's he's the cuck's cut.
Well. I think he's also more capable of beating whoever the Democratic nominee is,
particularly Joe Biden, than Donald Trump. I think the problem with Trump
is that he frightens the horses too much. He has a very energetic base,
but he scares people who are a bit more moderate and who the Republicans
will need to win if they're going to win the presidency. And I don't
think Descantis does. You may say that's because he's a cuck, but I
do think his track record as governor of Florida is very good. And I
do think that, you know, he was one of the best governors in
terms of his response to the pandemic. He listened to Jay batter Charia Martin
called off Shanetragupta recognize that focused protection was a better response than a blanket blanket
quarantining of everybody. The healthy and the thick reopened before most other states,
and as a consequence, the economy in Florida is booming. I also I
also admire his war on Woke, his fight with Disney. He's done something
about the promotion of what sort of critical race theory and gender identity ideology and
schools in Florence. All this is I think I think he I think I
think he'd I think he'd be, you know, a much better president than
Trump. But haven't you equally lost faith in Trump. Don't you think he's
controlled opposition or kind of a cup or I mean, or do you think
he's marginal margin? Two things, tabs Um. First of all, or
all that you've said presupposes that these elections aren't completely rigged. And it's not
about the democratic process. It's about things like voting machines. It's about it's
about smoil ballots and things like that. And you remember the reason, the
reason that you and I have arguments every week all goes back two When was
it three years ago the stolen election when I could see this was my journey
wrapped down the rabbit hole. If you remember when I could seem so much
evidence that the election was stolen from Donald Trump. And at the time I
was a sort of Trump Trump fan. But that's neither him nor that.
The point was, it was very obvious that a senile, incontinent fool known
for his corruption, known to have this toxic liability of a son, known
to have sort of criminal connections with China and Ukraine. I mean, at
least in terms of he might as well have been owned by them, This
incredibly dodgy character who was so toxic that he was kept from his minders from
the campaign circuit, and this guy was up against a man who was touring
America, playing to these packed arenas where everyone was trump Mania. There was
no reason to suppose that Trump was not going to get an even bigger majority
in his second term than his first. And instead you saw this this in
content, senile crook somehow magically winning the election in the middle of the night,
when the Trump votes seemed to magically convert into Biden votes. And instead
of going, oh, there's something really dodgy about this, what about all
this footage of skullduggery in election in ballot counting houses. What about these lorry
drivers talking about about these batches of filled in ballots that they've had to bring,
you know, all of them mark for Biden? What about all this?
All My conservative colleagues, including you, went nothing to see here.
Clearly, clearly Biden won this election because Trump was just too toxic. And
that was my point where I completely lost faith with the mainstream media. All
my career up that point, I believe that being a journalist was a kind
of honorable trade, and that we spoke truth to power, and that we
weren't afraid to call call, call, out skull, daggery and dishonesty and
whatever. And I suddenly realized that no, there was this barrier which prevented
even my respected the colleagues that I had thought when were my equals at least,
that there was stopping them seeing the truth. And whatever reason it was,
I was disgusted with all my colleagues. I mean, I can't think
of one actually who didn't, who didn't betray the cause of journalism. And
thereafter I can't talk about American election politics because it's all rigged, it's all
dishonest, and you don't get anything honestly about this in our media nor an
American media either. I guess we do disagree about this. And my view
is that the conspiracy theory known as the STEM was thoroughly tested in the American
courts um which are also corrupt. Most recently when when when Fox decided to
settle with dominion voting machines for a lot of money. Who owns Fox?
And and tod who owns Fox? But I think I think that if who
owns Fox, who is it? Murdoch? Still? I think it is
still Murdoch. Yeah, well, Murdoch is part of the I told you
the media lies. The media is part of the conspiracy. So the idea
dependent analysis. The problem is, James, when when you have to say,
you know, it isn't just it wasn't just a conspiracy carried out by
the Democratic Party to rig the election, to get their candidate elected, inclusion
with the manufacturers of the voting machines. It goes higher than that. It
involves, of course involves said that. But when you say that, you
come less and less plausible, because you know, the broader the conspiracy,
the more likely it is to be rumbled because so many more and more people
know about it, the more and more likely there's going to be a leak.
There's going to be documentary. You think them some emails or recorded the
worly because I've just pointed out I'm talking about but that the truckloads of filled
in balance. I've talked talked about the video, video footage. But the
media looked at this evidence and said nothing to see here. The courts looked
at the evidence, said nothing to see here. The idea because there was
an election, the idea, this is election that could just have been stolen
by some kind of errant Democratic Party. How could they have done that.
They needed big tech on side, they needed the corrupt media on side,
they needed the corrupt court system on side. Otherwise they could not have carried
it off. They needed the journalists to look at look the other way.
Otherwise it wouldn't have been That's the implausible part your your notion that this could
have been carried out just by a few dodgy Democratic Party members with a few
dominion voting machines. It was far bigger than that, far bigger. I
don't think it happened at all. So I'm not suggesting that that's what happened.
I think that if as in order to in order to kind of overcome
the difficulty to your theory, that the courts in almost every case decided there
was nothing to this, and Fox in the end concluded it didn't have a
case against dominion voting machines, and even Murdoch, I think, would be
a bit reluctant to give away such large sums of money just to promote some
conspiracies involved in it just becomes more and more implausible, and the likelier explanation
becomes maybe there was no deal. Maybe Biden just beat Trump, And if
you look at the margin of victory. You know, it's it's sufficiently large
that a bit of election fraud wouldn't have been enough to kind of giving you
these figures on the margin of victory. I'm suggesting that the whole system is
soaker upt that no detail of it anywhere it is untainted. So, um,
that's why we're never going to agree, because your facts are I would
argue, tainted by association with their sources. That's the problem. So we
never came to agree. Um I wanted to UM. So one of one
of the contributors to The Daily Skeptic had a point he wanted me to make
to you in connection with UM your theory about the fake Paul McCartney, he
says, He says, So, just leak at your the theory. Right,
you think that Paul McCartney died in sixty six, is it? Yeah?
In sixty six and was replaced by a fake Paul McCartney. Now do
you think that the other members of the Beatles kind of went along with this
or do you think that the fake Paul McCartney was such a good fake that
he fooled them along with everyone? No? No, no, that the
person to get all this from is a researcher called Sage of Key qu a
y I think it is, who's done hours of research into this from all
angles, ranging from the suspiciously quick time in which the albums were put together.
There's a suspiciously large number of songs which which almost certainly could not have
been written by Lennon and McCartney, but were written written for them by by
teams of So the essence of the Sage of Key theory is that the Beatles,
like the Stones, were a social engineering project project of the Tavistock Institute.
So the Paul is dead dead thing is a small detail of that.
So his theory is essentially that the four Beatles were not particularly talented musicians.
They were selected for a role and given assigned these these these personalities, and
that all the all the skilled work was done in the studio by people like
their minder George Martin, who did all the sort of the arrangements in the
production, the sort of all the tird polishing um. But also that many
of their songs were written for them and played for them by session musicians,
talented session musicians who encouraged the keeps dum. Note for example, how the
Beatles almost never went on tour. And remember when they first went to the
US, UM there were these screaming girls who screamed so loudly that the Beatles
playing could not be heard, which which was kind of convenient. Now sago
Key says that these girls were actually paid fifty dollars apiece, which I think
is about the equivalent of UM, a lot of money now ums with a
lot of money in nineteen in the late sixties, UM. That was part
of the cover up. So so so yeah, going back to Paul McCartney,
Paul McCartney died, the original Paul McCartney UM, and was replaced by
a guy called William Shepherd, who was actually a better musician, is a
better musician than than Paul McCartney, and the other Beatles always kind of resented
this new character. He was also nicknamed Billy Shears, hence the reference to
Billy Shears and the introduced you you know, the woman only Billy Shears UM.
And there is obviously they're not going to admit all this stuff. They're
going to think they've got strong reasons to hide all this, but there is
there is rare footage of for example, people who knew both pauls calling him
not Paul but Billy. I think I think George Harrison's widow, I think
does it. Somebody else does it, So you know, there's there's a
there's enough, there's enough. According to the theory, the other Beatles knew
about it, but just kept bird about it. Because my friend's point is
that in Get Back, the documentary by Peter Jackson filmed or Which which is
thought filmed in nineteen sixty nine, Paul regularly makes detailed references to things that
happened to him and the group pre nineteen sixty six. So if what you're
saying is true, that the reason they don't call him out on that and
say, hey, you weren't a lot, you weren't in the group then
because you're not the real Paul McCarten is because they were in on it too.
But then doesn't that make them really rather exceptional actors? Yes, which
I think that was there, that was there, that was their I think
that's always in the same way that the Monkeys were actors. I think I
think most people and this applies beyond beyond popular music, by the way,
well beyond. But before you get let me let me just before you before
you extend the hypothesis, Um, if if the Beatles were basically like Manudo
or the Monkeys or the basically rollers, if they were a kind of manufactured
band by kind of smarter people, better musicians, Yeah, to two immediate
points arise. The first is, well, why did they break up?
I mean, if they were just paid actors, why did the band break
up? You know, it was it was it was a cash cow and
just keep it going like they're rolling stones. Second about money, Well,
it's okay, but whatever agenda they had, why did it suit their agenda?
Had the band break up? Secondly? Maybe that was Secondly, if
the success of a band like the Beatles can be manufactured with four amity musicians
who were good at acting, how can they bottle this lightning so infrequently?
You know, if it had nothing to do with the talents of the four
individuals, with their particular chemistry, with the songwriting and musical ability of Lennon
and McCartney, Oh why didn't they Why why couldn't they do it over and
over again? You know? Why did it once once in a century kind
of phenomenon? Well, I'm not sure. I'm not sure that that's true.
Um, I mean, look at Oasis. Were Oasis ever any good?
I don't. I don't think so. Um. I remember going to
see Oasis is um first appearance at at Glastonbury and and thinking because there's been
so much buzz about them, and thinking, what is that it? This
is? This is the coming thing. I think this applies to a lot
so so that that suggests that that musical success is contingent on the musical talent
of the members of the band. At least you're effectively, you're effetively corroborating.
My my, my, my point not to hear that it is.
It's obviously contingent on the individual's concern. They're not actors. They're difficult people,
but they're usually musically pretty talented, particularly in the case of successful groups.
But if it's all manufactured by these kind of dark, secretive figures behind
the scenes, why don't they manufacture it again? You know, why didn't
they manufacture it in the case of Oasis. You know, they've been more
bands. I think you complete misunderstand my point. I'm saying that Oasis were
always crap, yet they became the biggest band of their era. That that
okay, they had a few traits that that you know Liam's funny singing style,
and that their tunes were quite catchy because they're ripped off from the Beatles.
But I don't think they were particularly special. I think you get sort
of you get sort of designated art rock bands, like like Radiohead when I
was quite attached to Radiohead. But but but it is now my view that
nobody becomes big with that. And this applies not just to music, but
to to literature, to to feel of acting. Nobody becomes big without the
say so of the kebal people who call the shots. It's always it's all
part of So I think the thing you're going to have problems with with with
what I'm telling you about the peoples, is it that you find it inconceivable
that a body like the Tavistock Institute, even though it's that the same issue
that was its closure was announced recently because of that, which is slightly different,
but but it's the Tavistock Institute was founded when was it was in the
nineteen thirties, maybe later on, but it is essentially a a sort of
um. It's designed to enact cultural shifts using the tricks of propaganda, of
psychological manipulation and so on. So it thinks really big. So it's not
just about about you know, you going to see your psychiatrist and being persuaded
that all your problems are to do with your relationship with your mother. It's
about shifting an entire generation into a particular direct direction. So the purpose of
the Beatles and the Stones, for example, was well, to create generational
divides between um Stones also very much. And isn't it funny that that you
had this yin in this yang. So when Brian Jones died, why didn't
they just replace him with a fake Brian Jones. Well, Brian Jones was
probably murdered and and and and perhaps perhaps he was murdered in order that that
Mick Jagger, who was much more pliable than on board with what was going
on, would become the creature that Mick Jagger's become today. So yeah,
I mean, so just let me continue my point. The purpose was to
create generational divide, to have parents saying, turn that bloody racket down,
and the kids saying, I love this music, dad, it's more it's
more life and you don't understone move um. So that to encourage sex and
drugs and so on. It's it's all part of the debasement of our culture.
Look, I mean I was into this stuff, so so I can
hardly say that I was not dueped to myself. But I think that big
picture, that is the reason that this stuff matters doesn't really matter whether or
not. Paul dis odd that you've kind of does It's odd that you've that
you've sort of um enlisted. You imagine that rock and roll was essentially manufactured
by whoever they might be, in order to kind of pursue their malevolent agenda.
I mean, surely, But wasn't rock and roll? You know,
it isn't rock and roll pretty anti establishment? It hasn't. It doesn't It
doesn't seem to. Yeah, I mean, of course, of course it's
been. It's been co opted by the establishment in various ways, and doesn't
clearly pose much of a threat to you know, very successful tax accountants and
lawyers and producers and promoters, and you know, rock and roll bands are
now invited to White House inaugurations, balls, et cetera. But you know,
in its original in its original rawst form, it was pretty anti establishment
and posed a threat to the establishment. Rock and roll pretends to be anti
establishment. I don't buy into the idea that it is actually anti establishment,
because ultimately it is serving. Depends what you mean by the establishment, but
I mean, if you're referring to the deep, deep stage or the cabal
or whatever, it very much serves their serves their goals. Look, this
goes back a long way, James. I mean you're familiar with the phrase
bread and circuses. Yeah, but just remind me why men wants to destroy
Western hard to listen to, Mike, don't. Don't just dismiss an important
point I'm making just because you don't understand it. That the reason that juvenile
I think it was referred to bread and circuses because it was a recognized technique
of manipulation, of control of the populace. Partly you control them by brute
force, by by the fear of what will happen to them, you know,
whether it's crucifixion or decimation or whatever. But partly you do it by
you provide them. You make sure they've got their bread, so they've got
full bellis. And partly through circuses you have popular entertainments which which which manipulate
the public mood. This is this has gone on since and okay, you're
making You're making a slightly different point there. I mean, I can see
why, um, you know, m entertainers, the entertainment industry might be
you know, invested in as a way to distract people from I don't know,
extreme inequality and make it less likely that they'll will revolt the kind of
Marxist opium of the people. But but, but, but you're you're not
saying rock and roll, bread and circus is just used to kind of distract
and subdue populations. You're saying it was used to pursue a kind of anti
Christian agenda to foster the collapse of our society, which is a slightly different
point. So my argue, So answer my original question, which is what
was that? Why do that is often a point you make repeatedly. Why
why is it do you think in the cabal's interests to undermine you know,
the fundamental reasons, the reason society, the reason anti Christian, the reason
that it's the same point actually is that you need to approach this from first
principles. Um, you have to first of all, accept which is not
not a difficult proposition to accept. I don't think that there has always been
a a class in the world, a sort of minority which has had the
bulk of the money and the power um for whatever reason. How do they
how do they maintain their power when they are for you and the massive humanity?
Are you know, people like you and me? We are, we
are many. We could, we could, we could, we could do
a game of thrones. We could, you know, we could, we
could rise up against our presses at any time. Well, why don't we
do it? Well, one of course, is we're frightened of being killed.
Maybe, but it would be very very I think tense and troubling for
the for these, for the predator class, if we spent our whole time
being only being held at bay by by their their armed guards. And so
they have to find other ways of keeping us in line, and one of
the one of the ways they do that is through deception through all manner of
things, ranging from seducing us with nice spectacles like like well your your your
your hobby football back in the day, circuses and Christians being fed to the
lions and things another where they do it. You're going beyond that, James,
You're not nearly claiming you're you didn't hear my previous point. You're going
beyond claiming that the Cabal are trying to distract us from the fact that they
hold power, got most of the resources, et cetera, by distracting us
with these kind of ball balls, these entertainments. You're saying that they're actually
pursuing a kind of anti Christian, anti family, anti Western values agenda because
that's in their interest, which is you're going beyond merely the bread and circuses
hypothersis for saying, you know, it's it's a kind of anti Christian,
satanic kind of version a breaton. What's their motive for that? You think
that actually would be in their interest to have, you know, a small
C conservative society which was Laura abiding, respected the right to property and so
well, why are undermining those things, provoking civilized and too much? You're
assuming that, I don't know why you think it's they would consider it in
their interests to have a small C conservative society. They're completely different from us,
and they always have been. They don't view us as being really anything
better than than cattle or or you know, useless eaters. Is there is
their current fashionable phrase for us. I mean people, I think Henry Kissinger
has used that phrase. I think a few others they they they despise us.
They see us as as a million means to an end. We are
just tools in the way that slaves might be a tool for you, or
or cattle might be a tool. You know, we're no better than that.
Um. They want to control us through divide and rule. Which is
why, for example, the example I gave earlier about about separating creating a
generational divide, you ask you mentioned the spiritual level, you mentioned Christianity,
because ultimately that is what this what the battle is about. You've got the
battle that's been taking that is taking place in the material between these these predator
class people and their kind of their acolytes versus the rest of us. So
that's the kind of the war that's taking place in terms of CBDCs and the
Death Jab and fifteen Minutes cities and so on. But that is merely the
earthly representation of the spiritual war that is taking place between good and evil.
It's ultimately the battle between the inheritors of the Babylonian mystery religions, which are
essentially the forces of Luciferianism or Satanism, and the forces of light, which
are essentially Christians, which is why they particularly hate Christians. That's so,
I do believe that what's happening in the world is it is ultimately a spiritual
war, and that if you don't understand that, you don't really get the
full picture of what's going on. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's
it's just it's quite hard to grasp your hypothesis when it's you know, most
people are familiar with the idea it's been you know, popular on the left
and has been inherited by the woke, that there is a privileged class which
conspires to oppress the rest of the world's population by promoting things like Christianity,
small c conservatism, the family, and so forth. So it's it's quite
it's quite counterintuitive read that you say that, what, well, where did
that theory come from? I didn't. I don't hear that. Well's I
heard that religion can sometimes be exploited, but I didn't think, well it
was Yeah, as marks who describe what religion, Christianity is the opium of
the masses amongst you know, the kind of dismissal of popular culture as a
kind of instrument of engendering false consciousness amongst the proletariat was going to be that
as the kind of premise of most cultural studies courses in red brick universities.
Um, you know, this idea that popular culture has been manufactured by the
capitalist predator class to kind of keep the masses down. That that that's a
fairly familiar idea. But but but the idea that that that that all the
kind of anti social aspects, the anti establishment aspects of it, were originally
manufactured because it's in the interests of this predator class to cause division and to
cause social upheaval and kind of change and all the rest of it. That
that that that that's counterintuitive and quite hard. I think. I don't know.
Um well, I mean there's there's there's a book which which writes all
this up. Um, I don't know if you've ever Camels crossed it.
It's the best selling book in history. It's all there in the Bible.
I mean, it's it's all spelled out with with with frightening accuracy. I
mean, I think that the death jabs, for example, and c CBDCs
and the approaching digital ID are very close to what is written in Revelation.
About you know, the mark of the beast, and you know you can't
buy or sell unless you've got the mark of the beast. That seems very
spookily prescient. Um. But but yeah, I mean, I mean,
I know why you find it hard to accept, because, after all,
we've been encouraged culturally to think of Christianity and that view of the world,
that understanding of the world, I mean, even the very notion of good
and evil as stuff that belongs to a less enlightened period. That we sort
of kind of got over this stuff during the Enlightenment, when when science and
rationalism replaced the sort of superstition of religion. So this has been an ongoing
process designed to discredit Christianity. And then you've got Darwinism emerging in the nineteenth
century. Um that the idea that we weren't after all created, that we
just kind of evolved from slime and we're related to monkeys, which you know,
I mean, imagine what that does to to the Christian notions of a
divine creator. So so it's it's been been a war on God as predicted
in the Bible. Yes, I suppose not that, I think just the
reason I struggle to kind of understand your hypothesis is it's not because I've been
accustomed to think of Christianity as the opium of the masses. So find kind
of anti Christianity being presented as a kind of opiate hard to grasp. It's
more that I just would have thought intuitively. I mean, I don't think
that, you know, I don't obviously believe in the existence of the cabal.
I, like you, Val think the world is too complex to be
controlled by a small group of billionaires. And there Val, Well, you
think he's innocent. Well, I don't think he's innocent. I think he's
I think WF terbs. I mean, so, I don't it makes my
point. I don't believe in the w F conspiracy theory either. But no.
But my difficulty is, is I mean, parking all that, let's
suppose there was a kind of all powerful cabal who were controlling the mass media,
the American courts, elections across the Western world and so forth. I
just find it hard to grasp why you you you believe that they think that
the promoting chaos, undermining the kind of bedrock of Western civilization, promoting the
disintegration of our societies, promoting anarchy in France and elsewhere, fostering wars,
bringing us to the brink of kind of nuclear catastrophe. How that could possibly
be in their interests? You know, it's in their interest to live in
a relatively stable, orderly, small sea conservative society in which people respect property
rights, including their property rights, and pay their taxes. So it just
it just it's that's the kind of counterintuitive thing, the fact that it could
be in the I mean, it's one thing claiming that Bill Gates and clausch
Far are controlling us all. Don't believe that for a second. But to
then go on to say that they're responsible for unleashing chaos in the world because
it's in their interest for society to essentially collapse, that's just kind of That's
that's where it just becomes completely incredible. I've heard you use this. I
don't understand why they're doing it, Therefore it can't be happening, and your
Tanner responses not up to me to explain that, Well, I don't have
my standard responses. Actually, look at what they're doing, and look at
how the predictions of conspiracy theorists have so called conspiracy theorists have had a really
weird, uncanny habit of coming true. So so we we warned that the
these these experimental medical procedures that were being forced on upon us during COVID which
we which we we pointed out at the time, was deeply suspect and there
didn't seem to be a real pandemic. We pointed out that these things could
have adverse health consequences and low look at the number of hang on, James,
I think your kind of star. You're you're rewriting. Yeah, you're
rewriting history there a little bit. Wasn't your prediction two years ago that um
that that the COVID vaccines which you described as the kills jobs Jeff abs and
still do. We're being rolled out with a view to decimating populations on the
part of the cabal, and story reduced the pout of the people now die.
Excess death may be elevated, well, but it doesn't seem like anything
like as apocalyptic and outcome. Originally, not enough has taken place, Enough
people have died. But I'm sorry for you about that because it suggests that
you were big, a bit paranoid. Different for you to think that the
jobs will face safe and effective. I wonder I don't think they're safe and
effective. People. Let's hold on. You're doing your usual thing, which
is to kind of present it as binary. What do you think they're the
death jab or they're safe and effective. I don't think that they're safe and
effective, but I don't think they're They're designed to kill people. And the
fact that not nearly as many people as you predicted would die have died,
it suggests that you were wrong about that. Maybe a bit of humility I
exaggerated the dangerous jabs were. They haven't as many people as I I thought.
Why don't you just would you? Would you? Would you take that?
Take the vaccine you feel so cocky about again you wassenting as a binary
choice. No, I wouldn't. But if I did, I didn't think
it would actually kill me. I just think the risk benefit analysis suggest that
I think it would be better. I think it would be UM, well,
very very foolish. Look, I think that the consequences of these jabs
are going to be felt for some time. I mean over over years,
if not decades, And we don't know this. This is like the people
who said that when we see the hailbop commet. The world's going to end
well on that occasion, but maybe next time it comes around it this is
you. This is your personal shifting the gold post. So your best line
is that not enough people died from the no I was you were you were,
you were, you were, you were. You were preening and claiming
credit for your conspiracy theory about the vaccines having come true. You're saying,
but that hasn't because your conspiracy theory was it would kill tens of millions of
people, billions, It would decimate the world's population. It was part of
a sinister satanic depopulation agen and excess deaths are slightly elevated. I'm not expressing
disappointment about that. I still be pointing out but nothing like the deaths of
a cur that you predicted to you, I find really too pride. Having
accurately predicted what was originally dismissed as a conspiracy, they really just turned out
to be true. It hasn't done how to be true. It still there
are people. There are people all over the country who've who are living with
terrible injuries, who've lost relatives, people who've had children's got my car,
dietist people who've had their quality of life shortened or curtailed permanently because of they
were coerced by by their governments into taking a medical experimental treatment that they didn't
need. And your response is, look at you, James, you were
wrong about the vaccines because there weren't more people who died. Well, ay,
we don't know how many people are going to die of these these death
jabs. I still believe our death jabs. Of course, it was going
to always going to be impossible to put a number on how many would die
at any given time, because we don't know, for example, how many
of these shots were saline. We don't There seems to be a strong batch
batch variation. But I don't think it's a really strong point to stand on
to gloat that actually not enough people died to confirm that these things were completely
wrong and utterly immoral. And it's not just the vaccines, by the way,
the death jabs. It's things like um fifteen minutes, cities, the
coming war on I mean, how increasingly difficult it is to run a business
using cash, to get banking facilities. All these things that we we predicted
and are now becoming more and more real and all you're saying is not enough
people died as results of the vaccines to prove you are totally right, which
I think is a bizarre thing to crow about. Well, James, it
was only in response to your crowing about your conspiracy theory about the vaccines having
come true. And I'm merely I'm not I'm not excused. It's a it's
a range of issue that we write or not just I think, look that
we were right that the vaccine, you weren't really you haven't killed nearly as
many people as you predicted. I don't think I ever put a figure on
it. Well, why why don't you go through go through the through the
whole podcast and see see whether I I said how many people are going to
die? I don't think I did. Well, I think that this is
your death suggest your reins. I do. I don't deny called them the
death job, but I think that's slightly different from me number to die.
So you've invented this story about that I put the number on it, which
I think I'd have been very foolished to do. I said that large numbers
of people, that people were going to suffer from this, going to die
and be injured, and I don't think I've been proved wrong. So if
that's your best shot, I would say it's pretty feeble. Toby, Well,
I think you just ought to be slightly hesitant about bragging that your conspiracy
theory about the vaccines has turned out to be true when that conspiracy theory was
that they were manufactured by people working for the cabal with a view to deliberately
killing people. You're really really keen to flog this dead horse because it's kind
of all you've got, isn't it. It's kind of you say that you're
you still believed that. So anyways, let's let's say your subs teeth.
Yeah, you've, you've, you've, you've You've made your only point that
you can make. That's not enough people died from the from the vaccine,
James. I'm not saying, well, not enough people died for to justify
you continue death job. Yes, they are death jobs. All those people
who died they were victims of a death jab, weren't they They didn't need
to take it, it killed them. I call that a death jab by
definition. But the implication is, if you take a death jab, you're
going to die. But if a death jab only kills, you know,
zero point zero one percent of the people who take it. Then describing it
as a death jab sounds like the same way conspiracy. When you call it
the clot shot, everyone is going to get a blood shot. I don't
think it quite works like that, Toby. I think I think you played
fast and loose with I don't think so. I think I think you're rowing
back a bit on how apocalyptic you were about the COVID vaccines when they were
first rolled out. But if you're if you're acknowledging that you exaggerated how harmful
they were. No, I'm not. I'm not acknowledging anything. I'm actually
just full of kind of well, I didn't have discussed I'm kind of used
to who you are and what you do. But I think that it's a
very feeble point who you are and what you do. Does that mean I
think people can see it played out? I mean, I don't know why
you are still determined after all this time to affect nonchalance about these that this
extraordinary period in which on the basis of a fake pandemic, there was no
pandemic, on the basis of that, that that governments around the world coerced
their citizens into injecting stuff into them which could only cause them harm, which
was going to cause them no benefit. The idea that you are still defending
this position as somebody sort of claims to be a defender of freedom and conservatives
not defending it, what makes thing I'm defending it? Well, I don't
understand why you're crowing about either either you think it was a conspiracy designed to
kill people or you're defending the policy. Um, there is, there is,
there is a more nuanced middle position, James. That's my position.
You seem to be unable to accept that that that you know, either you're
on your side or you're on the other side, and there's no but no,
I don't, I don't, And I I think it's it's entirely possible
that that I mean that that these these deaths, I think I think a
huge number of work on work on a number of levels that partly it was
just the most enormous cash cow for companies like FISA and the crooks who who
are on a large scale invested in them, knowing what was coming, knowing
that the pandemic was was was fake, and that partly, yes, it
was part of the depopulation agenda UM, and and that that expresses itself not
just in the people who've actually been killed by these things, whether through through
my heart trouble or blood plots, but also in the effects that they had
on pregnant women. I know loads and loads of of of of well I
know, I don't want to give the details, but I know people who
work in fertility clinics who've reported that that UM women who are trying to get
pregnant or having real trouble getting pregnant, and this is this is unprecedented.
So I don't think they work on just the level of killing everyone who takes
them. That would be implausible because well I would never have argued that,
because people would notice. They're much more subtle than that. So partly it's
about sterilization. Partly it's about long term toxicity, damage to the immune system.
Sometimes it's immediate. That's how it works. Yes, they are part
of a deepopergenda, but population agenda. We're never going to agree on this,
but I don't think that it's a very strong point to say not enough
people died, therefore you're wrong. Okay, Well, we'll just have to
agree to disagree about that, but just to clarify, I'm are you having
the last word? Well yeah, well you keep trying to mischaracterize my position.
I feel obliged to all right, I won't bother James. Let's move
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of your favorite podcast platforms, said James, I've got a film to recommend
for you called um They Cloned Tyrone. Have you heard about this? No?
So it's It's It's It's I think it's a film made by a first
time African American filmmaker. It's just been released on Netflix's UM. It stars
Jamie Fox, and that was the kind of this weird kind of conspiracy theory
about how Jamie Folks died and been cloned. But coincidentally, he's just been
in a film about clones called They Cloned Tyrone. But you'll like it.
It's kind of like a kind of it's like a cross between a kind of
pastiche slash homage to the blaxploitation genre and they live the kind of classic John
Carpenter conspiracy minded film. So it's about this black community called the Glen.
It doesn't actually specify where in America it is. And beneath the Glen there
is this kind of rabbit warren of laboratories where these white scientists are carrying out
experiments on the black population who live on the surface, and they're trying to
control their minds through things like hair straightening products and fried chicken. And they're
doing it supposedly with some kind of benign intention of making America a more peaceful
place and reducing violent crime. But you know that that that they're ok that
their their overarching agenda seems to be to kind of commit genocide against the black
race, but over a number of generations. But but but it's so it's
a kind of conspiracy thriller, conspiracy theories, sci fi thriller. But quite
up your alley. I mean, I think it has kind of woke components
and kind of clearly some of it is informed by the kind of black power
black panther agenda, depicting kind of white people as intent on the destruction of
kind of African Americans, and also the depiction of kind of African American popular
culture music, as well as hairs trating products and fried chicken and grape juice,
all depicted as kind of devices used to control and suppress a population that
would otherwise be rebelling against their kind of against socioeconomic injustice. But anyway,
it's quite up your alley. It's quite well done. I quite. It's
a little bit it's a little bit long, and it's a little bit rambling
in points, and some of the dialogue is very quick, so it's possible
to miss some of the jokes, but for the most part it's actually pretty
entertaining, pretty good. Okay, right, someone orders, then is again
they cloned tyrone? They cloned tyrone? Okay, Well that's is it?
Okay? Yeah, I watched that, um I but the anything I've watched
is an Indian series called Cora. Um. I didn't mention that last week,
did I? No? No? No? Okay, So you know
how English and actually American crime series are now pretty much unwatchable because you know
that the crimes are going to be solved by somebody who is black and or
female, and that the killer is always going to be white, middle class
male, and that the police never paint their police car um in rainbow colors
or arrest people for Herty tweets on Twitter. Um. So the world it
depicts is implausible and you know now how it's going to end. Um.
But in India, or at least judging by this series Cora, they still
have Sweeney style policing and unreconstructed um characters in the in the in the police
just beating up suspects and not taking any nonsense. They always assume that everyone's
lying to them as they as they are. I mean, there's clearly a
high level of mistrust of the police, distrust of the police in the Punjab
and anyway, it's a sort of murder mystery. But as often with these
with these TV series, these foreign TV series, that what's really interesting about
them isn't so much the plot. It's just all the glimpses you get into
a completely alien culture. So I was salivating over the over the samosa that
the guy had in his in his police station, really really crispy, and
and and the endless glasses of chai that gets brought to them, and their
approach to crime solving. So that so they turn up on the scene of
crime and it's it starts off no spoilers here with them with a body being
found in in rural in the rural Punjab, and their first reaction is to
beat up the guy who found the body and accused him of being a liar.
And then they round up all the local drug addicts and strip them down
to their underwear and beat them with sticks, trying to get a confession out
of them. And you're you're not quite sure at first what what your position
is meant to be on these these you know, on the on the I
don't know where his rank is, is your police sergeant in his sidekick?
What you what? How you're meant to feel towards these characters. Are are
these indications that these are bad guys? Or is this just routine policing?
And it becomes clear this is just routine policing. This is just right anyway,
please, it's it's it's entertaining and and different. And what's it called?
Cora k O h R R A. I think it is? Okay?
And what's it? Is it on Netflix? On Netflix? Okay?
Yeah, I've also I've also watched the new Taylor Taylor Hackford series. Is
it Taylor Hackford? Maybe? No, No, it's not. It's um
what's the name of the guy who did Mr Taylor Sheridan? So, so
the new Taylor Sheridan series on Paramount Plus. He just seems to work exclusively
for Paramount Plus, which is part of the way I subscribe to Paramount Plus.
Um, yeah, the UK parent I mean, but you can get
all his series on UK Paramount Plus anywhere. The new one is called Lioness
and it stars Zoe Salvi Dina. Is that how you pronounce her name?
I wouldn't know. She's in she's the love interest in Guardians of the Galaxy.
Um anyway, so she's green in Guardians to the Galaxy. She's not
green in this, but it's it's about this kind of she plays a kind
of CIA agent um officer rather, and she kind of cut sheet sheet.
She runs an agent who goes undercover to try and get close to a Middle
Eastern terrorist mastermind so the CIA can take him out. But it's it's very
well done, it's very entertaining. It's a bit it's quite similar to Tehran.
And if you saw that series on Apple TV Plus called Tehran about Mossad
running an agent in Iran and she was undercover and trying to get close to
the Defense minister. So anyway that it's it's similar ish to that, but
it's it's very good. So yeah, I'm a massive fan of Taylor Sheridan.
Even got remember's name. Um okay, uh yeah, I thought it
out because that could be that could be a thing to review. So I'll
see you next week. Okay, all right, when I'm out a book
to holiday by, then I can tell you about it. Okay, good,
all right, okay, good all right, okay, good bye.
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