WEBVTT 1 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.880 Well here we are. Welcome back to the Mark Cast, your special live 2 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:45.320 Friday edition. I do prefer to do these, although I have learned from 3 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:49.880 our CFL pregame show last night that a hard scheduling that sometimes so obviously, 4 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.119 and you can do it here today. We can get on that, but 5 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:54.600 I do prefer the live show. We can take some comments and all of 6 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:58.679 that stuff. Back in the office today raining in Seattle, a little different 7 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:00.840 Seth. The listener said, this helped me have this whole new standing desk 8 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:04.040 situation, so it looks a little different. But we're back here. I'm 9 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:07.840 gonna pull up all my notes and everything, but I'll bring in my co 10 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:11.560 host here. I have my BC Lions have on raise your hand if you 11 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:15.319 are an undefeated team in the CFL right now. Huge win over the Calgary 12 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:19.319 Stampeters last night, Andy, how are you doing today? I'm doing great. 13 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:23.079 Thanks for having me on last night. And yeah, a resounding victory 14 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:27.400 for the BC Lions and just an outstanding performance for Vernon Adams Jr. I 15 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:30.920 mean, he was really on fire from the get go. He was really 16 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:36.959 crisp, his passes were accurate. They moved the offense with these two out 17 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:40.159 of the first three drives. He had a big touchdown run in the second 18 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:44.359 half, and they looked really solid. I think that was a great solid 19 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:47.640 wind for them on the road at Calgary. I'm curious to see how it 20 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:52.640 goes going forward with him and obviously see if he could keep that consistency going 21 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:56.959 into the into the remaining games. But yeah, really really great signs so 22 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.400 far for him. Yeah, you know, and the CFLs us in this 23 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:02.319 a marathon, not a sprint. So I mean I got all excited last 24 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.079 year. I'm like, hey, we're going through the Gray Cup, like, 25 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:07.240 let me go buy light scenes yo, and then a Nathan Ark and 26 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:09.400 all of that. We all know what happened. But here we are today, 27 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:13.759 Max's checking in JK here and the news and retaining we want to retain 28 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.840 quarterbacks. We are plotting the XFL twenty twenty fours course today. So I 29 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:22.520 was really proud. I have by little roadmap if you know this. On 30 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:25.159 the roadmap, it leads to Saint Louis, which is where the XL championship 31 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:28.680 game should be next year. So that was a little easter egg in that. 32 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:31.719 But we are plotting the XFL twenty twenty four course today I have our 33 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:37.240 dissertation of notes from you know, Max and everything else that coming off. 34 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.479 Andy and I were here last week talking, you know, we had the 35 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:44.879 layoffs and kind of the Janet Dukes of the world and all that. What 36 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.240 do you have any fallout from that before we get into our exercise to that. 37 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.960 Not much since we discussed it last I mean, again, it's a 38 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:59.520 new banner for the league, it's their ideas going forward. Again, I 39 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:01.879 haven't really he's seen much activity from the social media pages. I think there 40 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:07.159 was that one from the Arlington reradicades that you know, the Disney themed a 41 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:14.000 little a little posts that they made, and I don't think there hasn't really 42 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:17.639 been much activity other than that that's been worth a note. So for them, 43 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:23.800 I'm sure there's a lot of backdoor planning and trying to assess where their 44 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:27.280 staff is and what they're going to do as far as who is going to 45 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.919 be in what role going into the offseason. I'm not sure when we're going 46 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:36.719 to see any sort of results from those moves. Maybe perhaps after the draft, 47 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:43.319 maybe in July. It's really not accurate as to what timeline there is 48 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.360 now for the social media staff. Although we are going to talk about the 49 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:51.080 timeline in general today. Yeah, I feel better now. I don't know. 50 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:53.000 I think that we've talked to expectations and you know, what did we 51 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:59.039 want going into you know, I've asked Mike Mitchell was xtfl was the memory 52 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.439 of xtral twenty twenty? Was that too heavy on this? And people? 53 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:04.680 And I had told people for you know, years now really like, hey, 54 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:08.360 this could be their own thing, but yet we're still holding them to 55 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:12.080 these expectations. Now, I do think, okay, we've Danny, you 56 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:14.759 know, Danny Garcia's words, We've gotten the monkey off our back here, 57 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.199 we're moving forward kind of all of that stuff. I will say on the 58 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:20.879 rookie draft, so scheduled, you know, for next Friday. I would 59 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:24.680 really like to know when that's going to be. I have to work in 60 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:28.319 the evening, so I heard the afternoon the evening for thereafter. For that 61 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:30.759 we would like to do a show. So if we could get the information 62 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:32.680 on that, not a lot of information from the rookie draft. Maybe I 63 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.639 was hoping that would come down today here, you know, a week out 64 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:39.399 from that. But figuring that out, I think that's a good place. 65 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.879 I think that having a couple tent pole events and we're going to talk kind 66 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.519 of local marketing events, but a couple of tent pole national like okay, 67 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:48.279 we can post about this, get a little bit of pub you know, 68 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:53.040 the rookie draft and then the supplemental drafts and all that. Anything else like 69 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:56.480 high range, you know, social media, but anything else you would like 70 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:00.639 to see the EXO working on right now. Right now beside recruiting players again, 71 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:05.040 is just trying to get more efforts into local markets and trying to be 72 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:10.519 able to maybe get back on the horse of getting people into the loop of 73 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:13.319 renewing season tickets for next year. I know we've seen that in a couple 74 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:16.519 efforts, say for example, Orlando, I know is one market we looked 75 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.639 at. I think Seattle. I'm not sure if we've seen Seattle do that. 76 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:25.040 But I want to see that from all the teams in the league. 77 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:28.079 I don't want to just see it from like individuals who happen to be on 78 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:31.000 the ball and really know what they're doing as far as their strategy and getting 79 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.160 people involved in trying to get people renewed for season tickets. There needs to 80 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:38.160 be a league wide effort and I can't just be something you can wait and 81 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.720 tell Fall to do. Yeah yeah. John lewis here checking and got to 82 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:44.839 fix that Vegas stadium. Woof. And then we have Louis here. I 83 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:48.680 really think Orlando benefited with the benefit from believing or you know, leaving camping. 84 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:51.959 We're all going to next where the soccer CEM seats twenty five thousand, 85 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:56.519 and we've got to get this situation figured out here, especially with you know, 86 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:58.920 the Vegas of it all. We'll see where that ends up. I 87 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:01.720 mean, we're taking season ticket deposits for that, you know, it certainly 88 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:04.279 seems like that, But then we've also laid off a good portion of the 89 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:08.360 Vegas marketing, you know, a sales staff, so I'm not quite sure 90 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:12.480 about that. Maxis put together this incredible dissertation for us today, kind of 91 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:15.759 going through it talking about everything, all of this stuff first and foremost, 92 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:18.800 and I really like this. So he has this broken down a national marketing. 93 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:23.480 We need to come up with the stronger identity than just opportunity. People 94 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:26.959 don't buy into sports just because they exist. They buy it because the passion 95 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.600 of the players and the coaches. I know, like the player of fifty 96 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:32.720 fourth thing, and obviously that was an easy kind of kicking off point for 97 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:34.519 the Rock, and like, what did we bring the Rock in? And 98 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:38.720 he's gonna talk and he's kind of got his bullet points and now he's off 99 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:42.879 doing you know, Fast eighty seven or whatever in the Milana sequels. But 100 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.360 I think we need to figure out what the XFL is now than just it's 101 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:48.639 a stepping stone to get somewhere else. What do you make of that? 102 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:55.120 I agree in a sense, I understand why most of the people are here. 103 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.439 Okay, I'm I'm not a stranger to the idea of most of these 104 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:01.759 players and coaches going on to the next level, because quite frankly, that's 105 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:05.240 kind of how they pitched this league, and I'm not opposed to it. 106 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:09.120 I do think there is a space for people who want to come back and 107 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:13.800 play and maybe become, in a term, spring football lifers. Now, 108 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.199 this isn't something that's really been around for that long, and obviously some players, 109 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:21.399 I think, prefer to play in the upper level because there's more financial 110 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:27.319 stability, there's a lot more consistency. Obviously, having a league that exists 111 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.199 beyond you know, three years as a novel concept that we're still working on 112 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:33.199 right now. Even the USFL players feel that way too, I'm sure. 113 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:39.120 So there's not this ideal of like say with the CFL, where you know 114 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:42.399 that's going to stay around. The brand is there, the tradition is there, 115 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.720 the history is there. You can stay there and at least feel comfortable 116 00:07:45.759 --> 00:07:47.839 if you're resigned to the fact that you're not going to be playing in the 117 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:54.759 NFL. So it's I guess in a way, it depends on if Danny 118 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:59.360 and the Rock and I suppose Rush Brandon want to start pushing it that way 119 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:03.480 where they say, hey, this is actually a long term proposition for our 120 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:07.680 players at coaches if they want to be able to stick around. But to 121 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:13.519 be honest, I don't know if financially they can say that with the utmost 122 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.160 confidence. It's not that they don't want to, but they just have to 123 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:20.120 be careful about where they're treading and what they're promising along the way, right, 124 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.800 So you know, I think in that sense, yes, I would 125 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:28.800 like them to maybe change their messaging slightly in saying that this is something that 126 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.639 people can latch onto and stay around for a long time if they wish to. 127 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.919 But I don't expect that messaging to change at least for the next couple 128 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.039 of seasons. I've said this a couple of times and just on here as 129 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.399 well, just because as we're doing all of this today, I want to 130 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:48.120 be redundant. But I'm talking with Greg Parks a couple of weeks ago. 131 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:52.320 I think the w w E NXT model of what that used to be, 132 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:54.159 they kind of when Vince came back and he had left the company and they 133 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.600 came back, they kind of it's different. Now it's like n x T 134 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:01.200 two point zero and it's like this Tide multi color. Back when NXT started, 135 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:07.960 NXT was the developmental brand that was in Orlando that the WWE would train 136 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:09.919 their talent and get them to go up and it was like Ohio Valley Wrestling, 137 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:13.120 and then it became NXT. They decided, Hey, you know, 138 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.240 let's film this right, let's get the guys used to this whatever. Then 139 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:20.799 they realized, hey, this could actually be a really viable TV product, 140 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:22.720 right, maybe we'll get one hundred thousand people two hundred thousand people to watch 141 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:28.200 this show. And what they did a phenomenal job of doing was balancing we're 142 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.799 going to have storylines here that you want to see every week. We're going 143 00:09:31.879 --> 00:09:35.840 to pay a little bit more. We're not going crazy, We're gonna pay 144 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.039 a little bit more. Hey, you can be here, you can live 145 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:43.399 in Orlando, whatever, We'll spotlight you. Other people want to go beyond 146 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:46.600 the main roster, get their big paycheck and do all that. But they 147 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.879 balanced having compelling storylines and people wanted to see week in and week out, 148 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.360 while also knowing that a good portion of those people weren't going to be there 149 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.159 come nine months later or six months later, a year later. And I 150 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.919 think that I think they you know, with the Rock and what they know 151 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:03.799 with w you need to look at that as a model of we have to 152 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:09.039 create. The XFL has to be compelling on its own. Someone in the 153 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:13.120 chat with the YouTube comment like two weeks ago said, if I don't, 154 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:16.279 the XFL would not exist. It seems if it weren't for the NFL, 155 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:20.639 because it really seems like the XFL's only purpose is we want to get players 156 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:26.399 to the NFL, where at least USFL seems to exist a little bit more 157 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.519 of like we are our own minor league, and we've got people in Birmingham 158 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:33.360 or Memphis, like we're coming out and hanging out. It seems like if 159 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.399 there was no NFL, there would be no XFL, and it shouldn't be 160 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.159 that way. The XFL should be able to stand on its own, especially 161 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:41.639 as we found out there is no NFL on the academy, you know, 162 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:46.840 discussion anymore. I know we have some big partnerships with testing rules and all 163 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:48.840 of that, but I think the XFL needs to figure out how can we 164 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:54.399 be compelling on our own well, and maybe that begins with maybe not mentioning 165 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.000 the NFL as much in the broadcast, But that's something that they have to 166 00:10:56.000 --> 00:11:01.600 talk to ESPN about and be able to communicate that with their broadcast partners as 167 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:05.519 far as what they want to be known for it. Now again, like 168 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.600 you know, ESPN's gonna do what they want. Obviously, they're gonna just 169 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:11.600 say and kind of presented the way that they want to. But there at 170 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:16.039 least has to be some sort of cohesiveness or understanding that goes between them and 171 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:20.960 the XFL. But you're right, the USFL at least seems to be in 172 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:24.879 a holding pattern of well, okay, it's cool if you go over to 173 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.879 the NFL, but we are establishing our sales as a viable league and an 174 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:35.200 entity. I feel that way for several leagues. I don't like, you 175 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:39.759 don't see this messaging in for example, the IFL, I don't really see 176 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.080 that so much. I don't see that in FCF. Certainly that's not the 177 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.960 that they're not like saying, hey, we want to we're trying to study 178 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.519 this other league. I think for the XFL, I get why in terms 179 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.960 of again the whole idea of you need to present an opportunity or a chance, 180 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:58.120 a step ladder, right, being able to ascend as a player and 181 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:03.120 a coach or as a personal member that can get greater opportunities. That's fine. 182 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.440 But maybe if there's a way to show that rather than say that right, 183 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.759 instead of being your messaging and just being implied saying like, hey, 184 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:16.080 look, we know you're probably gonna move on, but we're not trying to 185 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.440 push you out the door. If you want to devote more of your resources 186 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:22.919 to certain people in covering their stories because you know, say, like for 187 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:26.840 example, Benda Nutrie, who we all knew was trying to go back to 188 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:28.519 the NFL, if you don't want to put as much resources into that, 189 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:33.240 that's fine, right, Like that's okay, you just don't have to make 190 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.399 it obvious because the players are kind of already telling you that in their own 191 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:41.200 way. So it's the same thing like you know, last year with the 192 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:46.559 TfL with Nathan Mark, I'm sure like if every Canadian would have loved to 193 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.720 just have him around forever and ever and ever, I certainly wouldn't have minded. 194 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:52.840 He was phenomenal to watch last year, but we all do what his 195 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.559 intentions were before he even put out his statement at the end of it his 196 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:01.360 tenure with the BC Lions. So yeah, it's it's a tough line to 197 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.480 straddle, but you have to know when and where to kind of like put 198 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:09.000 your resources as what you're trying to promote, because you have to. It's 199 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:11.879 hard to just say like, yeah, we know you're going, and we're 200 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:16.120 gonna tell everyone else we know that you're going. Like that. I could 201 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:20.519 see where that maybe is a little bit in a way just crediting your product 202 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:24.799 in your league. In Maxil's sensor, you know, maybe if you are 203 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:28.240 going to focus on the opportunity, maybe have a little bit more like last 204 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:31.360 chance you or something like this is their last opportunity. I don't like that 205 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.440 because I would like to think like these players, you know, we can 206 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:37.600 thrive in the XFL, like this isn't a do or die situation, making 207 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:39.480 it back to the NFL. But but I get that. In terms of 208 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:46.360 social media, it seemed to me at least they teams have been active here. 209 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.120 And maybe it's just my Twitter timeline. How how would you rate the 210 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:52.960 last two two and a half weeks kind of following the XFL Championship game, 211 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:56.519 Like, how how has the XFL social media has been? I mean it's 212 00:13:56.519 --> 00:14:00.639 pretty pretty quiet. Aside from the announcements that came out I think a week 213 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:05.000 afterwards with the draft, I haven't really seen a whole lot. I mean 214 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.039 the showcases as well. Like I said, they announced the showcases, but 215 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:11.759 as far as consistent activity, the only other thing I noticed a lot is 216 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:13.639 the YouTube keeps posting highlight videos, which is good. Like, that's that's 217 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.840 what I asked for, right, I think about a week ago or two 218 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.679 weeks ago, I said, please continue to post highlight videos and maybe even 219 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.879 post like, you know, extended plays of games like I guess you could 220 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:28.960 say classic games, which is hilarious because it's only been around for so you 221 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:31.200 know, not for so long. But maybe something of that nature where you 222 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:37.159 could sort of really attest to, like certain great moments during the season, 223 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.279 keep pushing out content like that. I think we had we had a highlight 224 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:43.840 video of one of the players the other day. I can't remember which one, 225 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.759 but we've had a few. Yeah, we've had a few that have 226 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:48.279 come out. A Max Porgy, that's right. I was watching the Max 227 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.200 Borgy tape and kind of really looking at like some of his best runs of 228 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:56.399 the season. Jayalen McClendon, who you know, didn't get a lot of 229 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:01.279 play. But maybe maybe you start to put out players who maybe you know 230 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.200 we're going to come back. Or that's the thing, like which which which 231 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:09.559 highlight videos? Do you try to highlight more the people that you know for 232 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.440 sure have moved on were the ones that you think might be coming back. 233 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.919 Though that's also another strategy you have to consider it. But yeah, these 234 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:18.919 highlight videos have been good. That's on their YouTube page. I like that 235 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:24.159 they've been pushing those out. It's just more of like the Twitter sphere that 236 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:26.840 I haven't seen as much on. So that's that's one thing to consider. 237 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:31.200 But as far as YouTube goes, I actually have been pretty pleased at least 238 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:33.799 in the last i'd say a month and a half of them really starting to 239 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:37.000 actually use and push out that content. Because that's one thing I wasn't crazy 240 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:39.559 about in twenty twenty was their YouTube page. I didn't think it was very 241 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:43.600 organized and I don't think they properly utilized it. I know they're getting they 242 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:48.200 remember when we had the promo video whatever with the new and it was like 243 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.399 leagued on YouTube. It was it sat there whatever posted about that. I 244 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:54.480 do laugh and when the exit out because it does seem either be getting more 245 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.960 consistent in they're in their posting. The first ever when they did their Coach 246 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:03.639 Just Roundtable, they posted it like right at the same time on Friday that 247 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.320 we post our episodes. I remember Max like texted me, it's like, 248 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.159 this is the end of the mark cast, Like you're gonna have to You're 249 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:11.960 gonna have to. You can't, you can't go live it said, you 250 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.600 know you can't do it seven. I said, let's just let's just see 251 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.440 here. I think the thing ran three episodes or I think they did the 252 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:22.840 North in the South and who is at Woodson didn't even show up, Like 253 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:25.519 it wasn't even on there. But I did. They're gonna getting more consistent 254 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:26.679 because, like, here's the deal. You have a lot of that stuff 255 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:30.440 anyway, so like repurposing that. I mean, you pay some interns sitting 256 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:33.639 there, you know, fifty K a year, and hey, edit edit 257 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.240 one of these every day. You know. I have many a kid that 258 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:38.759 would intern for me, that would do that, probably for free, but 259 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:41.480 let alone for a hour. But yeah, you just pay someone to do 260 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:45.240 that. He hasn't here. Yeah, managing getting more people hired, I 261 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.639 don't like. We talked about this last week and I have a couple of 262 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.399 shorts to share as well. I've been busy this week with work. But 263 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:56.039 like the offseason, on season hiring the of the XFL that can't permeate to 264 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.559 like social I think you need to have social people there. I have a 265 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:03.920 feeling, if you track the way some of the capitalizations of some of the 266 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:07.240 social media tweets are, I have a feeling there's a little bit of double 267 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:10.880 dippy right now, which I don't like. I would like to see eight 268 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:14.799 dedicated people. I understand finances and if we have to move people around or 269 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:17.759 whatever. Have you noticed that? Am I the only one that's noticed it? 270 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:22.079 Seems like the arling to renegade social media person now is like DC defenders 271 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.400 are kind of doing that or Houston. Have you noticed that, Yeah, 272 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:30.680 just a little bit. I think there was enough background commentary that might have 273 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:37.119 led to that change, but I just wish that there was more. I 274 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:40.119 hate to use the creativity because that's such a vague term, but there just 275 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:47.960 doesn't seem to be the same level of kind of understanding or at least in 276 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.359 tuneist to the community that there was with the social media accounts of twenty twenty. 277 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.079 Yeah. Yeah, the content was just it was really fine. It 278 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:00.079 was really electric, and a lot of ways I really liked they presented certain 279 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.920 ideas or certain things. But you know, I'll be honest with you, 280 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.400 like the same thing happens in the NFL. Like I could tell you a 281 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:12.920 slew of accounts that just are just really bland, boring, you know, 282 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:18.640 Mayonnaise, Vanilla Pay Sandwich that just like don't have a lot going with them 283 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:22.759 as far as their presentation of their content or just seem to be a little 284 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:25.960 tone deaf. But other the accounts that are great, you know, and 285 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.480 I know I've saying their praises before. One hundred million times. But like 286 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:33.079 the Charger social media account gets it, like they also put resources then they 287 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:38.400 devote themselves into having like real like planning into what they do. So with 288 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:41.519 eight teams, I think it's more obvious because there's so few options. You 289 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.839 notice it much more. With the NFL, you don't see it because it's 290 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.119 like, well, I don't follow sixteen of the teams in the league, 291 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:49.680 so I don't care. But with the XFL that is more important because you 292 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:55.920 are seeing every individual team more often. So you have to, for lack 293 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.039 of a better term, just devote more resources to each one if you're going 294 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:03.720 to really make sure all their content at least has a certain baseline of quality 295 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:07.359 to them. Yeah, I couldn't tell you, Like what what did the 296 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.680 Patriots tweet? Did the Patriots like Bill Belichick like not not have me? 297 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:15.640 Not good? Not good? It is funny that, Yeah, We've been 298 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.359 joking a lot online that whoever seems to be writing the Arlington account uh has 299 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:22.599 a saddin lack of non capitalizing anything in the sense, And I'm like, 300 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.759 that's nearly impossible on the phone, Like you almost have to go back like 301 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:29.799 an auto corrects it to capitalize so you almost have to go back and like, 302 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:32.920 no, I'm negating and that like it's a very purposeful choice for that. 303 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:36.519 I will say, we talked about this before. You know, the 304 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:41.319 time to maximize the social media is right now where you have all eight teams 305 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:45.160 under one roof that if you know God Willing the XFL franchise, you know, 306 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.480 in twenty thirty, here we're talking about you know who, I don't 307 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:52.279 even know who about. EO. Mckamore is buy and he's got the the 308 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:56.359 CLC Dragons, right, Malcolmore is part of the owner of the Crack And 309 00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:59.599 we've got Ryan here, Ben Higginbogger, right, isn't that his name? 310 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.119 Ben? Whatever? Anyway, we got Malcolmore own in the SEATTLEC Dragons, 311 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:04.839 Like then hey, maybe he wants to devote a lot more money to the 312 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:10.440 social media and maybe you know, we have the Vegas team has been relocated 313 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.640 and they don't want to pay any money anymore. Like then you're going to 314 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:15.359 have disparity. But right now where you have all the teams, and this 315 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:19.000 really is there shouldn't be a There shouldn't be an excuse for any subpar or 316 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.799 social media across the board. I don't think. Well, Also, didn't 317 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:25.440 they say they were going to do more content in house in Arlington, Like 318 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:29.440 that was their whole stick that they were kind of like going through before the 319 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:33.839 season started. So I didn't really see that level of consistency across the board 320 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.799 because they've been operating out of the hub for most of the season, right, 321 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:40.880 Like they come back and they do their practices and everything, So don't 322 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:45.799 I don't really get why there wasn't more. Maybe there just wasn't enough time 323 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:48.799 for their mediation, like they weren't able to like kind of get everyone in 324 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.200 the same room and like talk about this on a consistent basis. I'm not 325 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:56.279 sure. And again, you know what's going to be interesting is finding out, 326 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:00.519 if we can in hindsight, how much time was really spent on each 327 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:04.880 thing, like the things that had Like like how often were their mediations for 328 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:10.200 this versus this, or like they think about this before they thought about this. 329 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:14.640 And I know that's been a conversation we've had a lot of times about 330 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:19.160 what what are they trying to make sure works first before what works best? 331 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:23.880 Right? Like and sometimes there's things that with the play on the field that's 332 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:27.920 the most important. I understand that getting the players, the coaches, people 333 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:33.319 botted to the league, that's the most important first and also paid right, 334 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:37.759 everybody gets paid, because that's that's been a very missing key component in the 335 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:41.039 past with leagues. But in this case still there's just all these like little 336 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:47.720 peripheral things where I wonder if they could reassess how they spend their time or 337 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:52.480 what they do with their time in terms of maybe getting everybody on the same 338 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:55.039 page, because that seemed like it was just kind of, you know, 339 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:57.039 it was all of the map in some ways. And that goes the same 340 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:00.720 with the broadcast too. Sometimes on ESPN, like some I think we're just 341 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:06.519 more prepared than others, to be honest, and some had better you know, 342 00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:11.240 resourcing, Some people had better ways of collecting information, some had better 343 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:15.759 scripts as far as like how they were going to present each game. So 344 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:18.920 that level, again, that level of consistency, is something that they need 345 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:22.319 to really evaluate in the off season. I love all of the ESPN people. 346 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.279 I love everyone that came on the show. I love the exdost partnership 347 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:29.720 with the ESMB. Yeah, you get you get a feeling sometimes I'm like 348 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:33.160 I could just talk to myself, right now and probably get a little bit 349 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.160 more, a little bit more access on that. Hailey checking in here in 350 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.279 front the sea has been haggarty. She would gladly work for bad so good 351 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:44.160 to know if when Ryan when Malcolmore, I think he's coming the Climate Pledge 352 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:48.400 too. We also spoiler this is a side tangent. We are getting the 353 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.960 pitpull Enrique Iglesias, Ricky Martin tour coming here to Seattle Climate Pledge. It's 354 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:57.559 called the Trilogy. We did not get four seats for this that I looked 355 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:04.279 at seven hundred fifty dollars, Enrique, but we are we are upstairs. 356 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.039 We were paying one eighty. We're front row, but we're upstairs. But 357 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:11.640 I just said seven fifty for that. But anyway, begging that you were 358 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.319 talking, Yeah, the Dallas thing, the content House and all that. 359 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:18.039 I remember even when I was there with Danny in Arlington, she goes, 360 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:21.279 you know, we have all the resources here, We're gonna kind of use 361 00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:23.680 all this. I know that separate Like then there was the actual physical content 362 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:26.319 house. It didn't seem to be worked about too much, but it did 363 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.720 feel like and I know that we went through turnover with some of the teams 364 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:34.160 and things this year, but did feel like sometimes I would talk with the 365 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.680 team's con person and it would be like, oh yeah, I can get 366 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.440 this person like two seconds, no problem at all. And then other times 367 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:44.359 you would talk with the like a different team with like I don't know where 368 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:45.640 this person is. It's like I thought the whole point of being in the 369 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:51.160 hub was everybody like and again, and I think people did a tremendous job 370 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:52.279 of this year, but working on that, what did you make of the 371 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:56.160 content house? I know people said it was like a TikTok thing, or 372 00:23:56.160 --> 00:24:00.359 they went live on Instagram like what was the content house a couple of times, 373 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.920 but again not enough to catch my attention. I know there was some 374 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:11.599 TikTok videos posted separately from different team accounts, but again I don't didn't really 375 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:21.240 see any sort of like cohesive like across the board consistency with all those platforms. 376 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:22.960 I didn't really see it, and that's why I was a little bit 377 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:26.279 confused about especially on Twitter, Like I said, you know, Twitter, 378 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:30.880 I think the main account posted fairly often, the XFL account, but again 379 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:37.000 the individual team accounts I did not see as much as like the posting from 380 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:38.720 inside the content house. Didn't we get a video about an introduction of all 381 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:42.880 the social media managers, which but that was that was I think Leah posted 382 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:45.640 that. I love that. I mean, that was one of the best 383 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:48.839 things in the Rock retweeted it. But that was. Yeah, you're saying 384 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.079 you wish the league would do more of that. I would like that because 385 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.200 that was I think Leah posted out and then ever went shared that with Jay 386 00:24:55.240 --> 00:25:00.079 and Haley and everywhere else. Yeah, I I enjoyed that because especially and 387 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:04.160 you know Twitter, you have a lot of like I have an avatar I'm 388 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:07.519 yelling at you, like I like seeing the people behind the social media like 389 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:11.160 you, this is the person you're yelling out, Like could you please pretend 390 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:14.319 like this person? I guess like we come on here every week and people 391 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:17.160 are crap talking, like I come on here every week and put my dumb 392 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:19.160 face on here, like at least you know, Yes, I like that, 393 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:23.920 But that was not the league that did that. I think more of 394 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:27.000 that and also maybe just a little bit more banter back and forth. I 395 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.920 don't know if you need to do trash talking. I know the USFL tried 396 00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:33.160 to do that with their accounts, and it always just seemed cute to me 397 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.359 because I don't think they really had much to go with and that on that 398 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.519 and sometimes I almost feel like it was the same or two teams that felt 399 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:44.440 like they were tweeting at each other with the same person with the same handle, 400 00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:48.039 like it was just kind of like a manufactured argument. I saw a 401 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:52.279 little bit of that with the XFL team accounts. Sometimes it would be a 402 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:55.799 little bit of back and forth and banter on certain things, especially when you 403 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:57.680 know, during the season once there were teams that actually played each other and 404 00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:03.599 the results that were being add But I want to see maybe more of that 405 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:07.599 or just just again more transparency as far as who are these people, what 406 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:11.480 are they doing, and also like what's going on in the content house, 407 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:17.039 because that seemed like that seemed to almost set up like a reality TV kind 408 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:19.440 of esque scenario in a way, like kind of you know, Days of 409 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:23.160 our Lives, what's going on here, what's happening in the in the XFL 410 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.240 hub, And you don't have to wait for you know, Player of fifty 411 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.000 four to come out, you know, a week or and a half after 412 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:33.279 like every single results, you know, maybe can we have more up you 413 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:37.759 know, up to date kind of timeline stuff and you're really able to see 414 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.240 it as it's happening, right, So maybe more of that would have been 415 00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:45.240 perhaps a little bit more connected for the fans. Again, if you're talking 416 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.400 about connecting to the fans, there's one way to do it. I like 417 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:52.240 to the where the actually seemed like a conscious I think Mike Mitchel at least 418 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.799 reporting this to us. I don't know if he reported it like actually made 419 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:00.599 a more conscious every like we're gonna retweet fan tweets here, right if you're 420 00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:03.960 you know, could be you know, Mike tweet or it could be you 421 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.160 know, like I know, Evan whatever. But we find random fans with 422 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:08.640 ever tweeting. They're like Emory Hunt would be at the game and tweet. 423 00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:11.799 I like seeing that. I like seeing the league account do that. I 424 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.880 don't know if they could do more of that if you did have someone like 425 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.359 Haley or Leah or Jay or someone like, hey, I'm posting the social 426 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.160 media stuff here, like highlighting more of that as well. But I like 427 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:26.440 that. I like feeling like, you know, the NFL is a very 428 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:30.240 hard you know, we we have it's the shield and we are the NFL. 429 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.880 We don't need you. I like seeing the exit, Like, hey, 430 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:34.720 it's more of a party on here, Come on here, We're gonna 431 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.759 share your stuff. We're gonna interact with that. I like that. You 432 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.279 know, I think you could, you know, I think you can benefit 433 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.599 from having two three four people running that main XFL account on any given day 434 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:48.640 and no game days and stuff like that go crazy. Uh yeah, I 435 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.160 see, this would be cool. Haley live tweeting practices. That would be 436 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.359 cool. Do a little too. Is periscope still a thing? Can we 437 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:59.039 do periscope? Remember parent? Was that? Like, didn't twitter by periscope 438 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.079 or periscope was twe thing? But but that, like, I like that 439 00:28:02.119 --> 00:28:04.720 because it was the conscious effort from the XFL for that last thing on Twitter. 440 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:08.319 We got a couple more things here, but we need to figure out 441 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:12.559 what is the long term plan for the XFL's Twitter handle. We cannot have 442 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:18.720 it be XFL twenty twenty three anymore. I believe at XFL Twitter is available, 443 00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:25.200 And this is a major issue when you have even DJ himself has done 444 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:29.160 it, uh, you know, tweeting the wrong handle. We're tating Xavier 445 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.880 F. Lapage and getting him involved in this. I don't know if we 446 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:34.640 can buy that. But it's a major issue because when you have people tweet 447 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.240 it out and it's not going do you like XFL Twitter? Would you have 448 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.599 a better idea? Well? First of all, I like them to get 449 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:45.880 back to the original handle that they lost to Lapage or whoever that gentleman is 450 00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.880 that apparently just holds it over their heads. He must have gotten it first 451 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:55.279 because Twitter didn't exist when you know when Vince's XFL came. So I think, 452 00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:56.920 I mean, I technically I think Lapag gets I mean, he has 453 00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:00.720 first DIBs on the XFL Twitter handle. He does, but let's let's be 454 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.200 real here, is he really gonna use it now? So let's let's go 455 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.559 ahead. Let's let's start working on that one or that's that's that's my first 456 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:12.480 mad date. Second of all, I think they're twenty twenty three. I 457 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:17.039 mean, you're gonna keep changing the year, right, and as long as 458 00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:19.559 you don't do anything like XFL season two three, like we talked about, 459 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.920 we don't want that to happen. But I don't know. X FIL Twitter 460 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:30.880 just doesn't really vibe with me as far as you're just posting the same platform 461 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.279 that you're already on. Anyways, I mean, I guess you could, 462 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:37.240 but it doesn't to be that's not something that other companies do or a lot 463 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:41.119 of other places kind of are in line with I would rather that you just 464 00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:47.160 either have does the year or again trying to find that old handle. If 465 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.519 you can be able to kind of comment year and get that back, that's 466 00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:52.960 that was one of the only two options. Other than that. There's not 467 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.359 really much else I could think of that you could change the name or make 468 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.920 it more appealing. I also I tweeted that out a couple of weeks ago, 469 00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.039 like, hey, elon, you know, while you're fixing Twitter, 470 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:07.599 could you get could we kind of nudge Lapash here? And I think people, 471 00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.039 you know, the USFL stands of the world like, oh, you're 472 00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.720 trying to take away his civil rights read I'm like, I just I just 473 00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.279 I just just just the suggestion. It would be fun MaTx as your offer 474 00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:22.279 more in depth coverage of incoming players and offseason events with Lewin or others. 475 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.599 Why do you fans have to wait to January to get to know the new 476 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:27.200 rookies? I like that, and I think once we have the draft next 477 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.920 week, we're gonna have the slew of that. I had a couple of 478 00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.559 players reach out to me already like hey, can I come on or I'm 479 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.759 in the rookie Draft? Can I get in the ball at this as well? 480 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.079 We're kind of doing all the CFL stuff right now and then we're going 481 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:41.359 live, like, you know, maybe we can work with the league once 482 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.319 you're brought in, but I don't know if we're bringing it back in Josh 483 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.440 for that. I don't know what his schedules like, but yeah, could 484 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:52.640 we could we bundle together five ten minute player interviews a couple of weeks or 485 00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.759 pick you know, do do two teams each podcast? So you do four 486 00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.720 podcasts and a couple players. What would you like to see following the rookie 487 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.680 Draft in terms of social content, Yes, I would like to see more 488 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.200 profiles done, and I would like to see them being done on each prospect, 489 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.200 or at least somebody who's picked and has a great potential to be part 490 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.599 of the league, and maybe using some of their college tape or using some 491 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:22.079 of the just some background information on who they are as well. And I 492 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:27.920 really want to see that kind of attention done from multiple people in the league. 493 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:30.400 Maybe if you get Josh Lewin in like you said, if you can 494 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.279 come in and maybe they have him do his like one on one interviews via 495 00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:40.640 zoom or Skype or whatever technology he uses, and try to get people to 496 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.599 if you get people to try and be more involved that way, I think 497 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:49.400 if you have maybe more posting on YouTube again you really utilize those YouTube highlights. 498 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.519 That's another thing, making sure that you have those little short snippets on 499 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.200 the NFL graphic designs. I want to see if they have like some nice 500 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.519 graphic layouts for all of these players when as they're being drafted during the actual 501 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:05.960 draft itself. But yeah, maybe if you can get if you can get 502 00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:13.000 an interview or maybe sort of more just again a presentation on their profiles after 503 00:32:13.039 --> 00:32:15.920 the fact, that would really help people start to kind of get to know 504 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:21.039 them and understand where they're, where they're from, and why they're doing this 505 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:24.480 and maybe why they could be a potentially good fit for the league. That's 506 00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:28.519 I think that's not a bad idea at all, and maybe do that for 507 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:32.759 a couple or three weeks out after the draft has concluded. I also know 508 00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:37.319 that you know, Rick Sartell has been on here before we did our Thanksgiving 509 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:39.480 I think it was like the post draft kind of grading of the teams. 510 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:43.519 I can't remember. And then Rick's obviously been on for the kickoffs and all 511 00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:45.720 that, but I don't know what the Rickie drafts is going to look like. 512 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:50.079 Next week. I said, we're going to be god willing. You 513 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.400 know, I have this wonderful lady that books me a year out to do 514 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:57.440 these hey read and I got you know, and it's paid. It's a 515 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.119 good gig. But it's always like the worst days. There's always like Dorothy's 516 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.359 friends getting married, or we like, hey, do you want to go 517 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:06.279 there Barbados? It's like, oh no, I got this dance before us. 518 00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:07.799 I gotta go do but it's that Friday. So I hope that we 519 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:12.799 can figured that out. But when it comes to that, you know, 520 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.240 I've talked with Rick and Rick goos. It would be so great as opposed 521 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.839 to just and I know this takes a lot more time, but like as 522 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.400 opposed to just posting on Twitter like hey we signed this guy. Get together 523 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.720 a couple of people they can talk about and I don't know any of these 524 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:28.200 people, and I you know, I'm the dummy. I just make the 525 00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.559 platform her and bring on Andy and all these smart people. But like you 526 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.799 know, when you bring on like Evan, we bring on John Vogel, 527 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.160 bring on Rick Saratela. You can come on like you know, and we 528 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:43.200 could build it were there would be enough of you guys that would know all 529 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.839 of these players. Right. I could not believe when Evan was on two 530 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.039 weeks ago we were doing our XFL players that still deserves a shot to the 531 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.359 NFL, the amount of knowledge that like Evan knows about all these players and 532 00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:57.759 oh yeah, this guy and he played at this college and he was, 533 00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.319 you know this for a cup of coffee. Then he went here and here, 534 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:05.880 like you could get as opposed to just posting the roughneck sign, you 535 00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.400 know, round two whatever. And I'm not volunteering either, what I mean, 536 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:13.199 I'm volunteered, but like you have, there's ways to do it where 537 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.360 you just get a couple of guys that have tracked these players for the last 538 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.760 four or five years. They could talk about how exciting that is. I 539 00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.960 know that's that's a step above all this, but I think it could help 540 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:25.239 give what I think it's already going to get some good juice just because it's 541 00:34:25.239 --> 00:34:28.880 a draft in June, and I don't think that the draft. You know, 542 00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:30.800 there's what are you doing? It's a pretty dead time for the NFL. 543 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:34.519 But I think you could get more juice out of the rookie draft if 544 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:36.960 you were able to get some people together that know about all this stuff. 545 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.599 Right, you have designated people who do their homework, and you've had people 546 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:45.039 who do their homework on for free, free, free, exactly. And 547 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:50.559 that's I know you. You screamed from a mountaintop about this, about saying 548 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:52.679 I'm here, I'll do this for free all day long. I get it. 549 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:57.599 I understand it. There are so many people in this network who really 550 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.800 do so much fantastic work and do their homework on these players, these coaches, 551 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:06.079 these leagues, the sport, everything like, there's people who really put 552 00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.159 in the dcation. They need to go get people like that. Again, 553 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:15.079 maybe there's orders from high on up, from mister capital. I get it, 554 00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.199 I get it. I get it. I get it too, But 555 00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:21.239 they've got to have you have to have that kind of coverage. Look, 556 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:23.760 and I know they've been around forever and they have the capital to do and 557 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.039 I understand, but the NFL has this down to a science, right. 558 00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:30.480 They have all the people who do this and listen, is it media members 559 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.599 who maybe do it on their own volition and don't aren't employeed by the league. 560 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.840 Yes, but those are also people who have jobs that are with other 561 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.280 media outlets that allow them to do that. We don't have that right. 562 00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:45.440 There are not designated media outlets who are giving opportunities and work to people who 563 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:50.679 do this. This is all done by pure passion for people who really just 564 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.239 care about these leagues. So when you don't have that from an outlet standpoint, 565 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.360 when you know there aren't other people who are being paid to do this, 566 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.599 I think it's your job and bring those kinds of people in because otherwise 567 00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:06.480 you're not going to get as much exposure as you wouldn't normally otherwise until you 568 00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.360 start to convince people, hey, this is a viable thing that you could 569 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:13.039 do for maybe not a living, but at least you know, in a 570 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.360 sense of being recognized and compensated for your hard work instead of it just being 571 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:21.320 on your own free time, because that's essentially what it is right now for 572 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.000 all you know, for most of these leagues. But I don't get and 573 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:29.039 I haven't gotten this this whole year with this, and you know there's certainly 574 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:30.800 no love loss between you know, Mark Perry and I over a new stud 575 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:36.000 but you know, we hear this reported right XFL and you know the marketing 576 00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.079 budget and we were so low. You know, we're really trying to conserve 577 00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:43.039 and it's a start up and all this stuff, I would be not not 578 00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.039 every right sometimes Mark a right like salacious articles, but but any article like 579 00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:50.400 your guys is you know, the team breakdowns and the roster previews and the 580 00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:53.280 looking forward to the weekend and the game recaps and the power I would be 581 00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.440 retweeting every one of those, every one of those. You have people that 582 00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.320 are working, you know, like I said, don't I'm not talking here. 583 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:01.559 This is because I know we come on here and we talk the XFL 584 00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:06.360 failing on that. I'm talking like real media websites. I'm not. This 585 00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.000 isn't really trying to plug you know, get the Mark Castle, like Mark, 586 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.920 you know, if Stefan's got the good one, if James whoever over 587 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.800 there, like if they're writing good stuff like bere retweeting all that stuff. 588 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:20.480 Because what I don't get is like all see oh the Seattle Times, like 589 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.960 they win and wrote the story about you know, the NUCI or whatever like 590 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:28.119 that'll get a share, But like Matt Lyons is, you know, team 591 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:32.159 breakdown whatever the the c Dragons won't get and I don't get that delineation there. 592 00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:36.000 I'm like, well, why, like why can we retweet? Is 593 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.119 it because it's the Seattle Times? Because you know, I feel like the 594 00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:42.559 journalistic credibility at least of New Stubb And I know you gotta kind of vet 595 00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.280 and you got to figure out all your different stuff, but you know why 596 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:47.199 you can't be utilizing some of this, I mean all of you. Like 597 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:52.159 the amount of free content that is created about these leagues is astounding and especially 598 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:58.480 just good like journalistic content, Like you're not even take the commentary out of 599 00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:01.119 it. Mike Mitchell. This is the DC Defender's preview coming up. They're 600 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:05.320 taking on the Roughnecks. Here's the depth charts, here's the injury reports, 601 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.039 this is what we know, all that stuff, like retweet that out, 602 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:09.559 Like I just don't understand that, Like I get, okay, we don't 603 00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:13.719 want to tweet out it is the XFL bankrupt, like they're laying off everyone. 604 00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.079 I get that, but I think that there's a line there, and 605 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:19.920 I would just utilize more of that free content that we have or just like 606 00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.760 you know, I guess in a way like with news Hub. Also, 607 00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:28.559 maybe one of the things of the advantages that the NFL has is the network, 608 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:30.760 right, NFL network, you know, a thing that has all these 609 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:35.199 people and these personnel that kind of talk about all these things on a regular 610 00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:38.400 basis. They have just content that's being generated all the time just by this 611 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:43.320 one entity, right, you know, you know, the NFL account could 612 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.679 just retweet like, oh, this is Adam ranks, like, um, 613 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:49.800 I don't know player rankings, and it's not are like we're not endorsed, 614 00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:52.840 this is not yes, but you can retweet that out and be like this 615 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:54.880 is not necessarily what you what do you put what do you people put on 616 00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:58.920 there, like retweets to not equated endorsements or whatever. It's like, it's 617 00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.119 okay to share stuff that other people are creating that as long as it's not 618 00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:05.400 like f bombs and stuff exactly. Just I mean, you know, yeah, 619 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.280 you curate as far as like, okay, let's see what is this 620 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:12.239 all right? Is this gonna be you know, in line with is it 621 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.679 just gonna get people talking, but not talking in the way that we don't 622 00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:16.159 want him to talk about. You know, that's the kind of thing that 623 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:20.480 you have to be careful about. But you're right that content is just being 624 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:22.119 generated all the time. I mean, Mike Mitchell's putting out his power rankings 625 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.519 left and right, and I mean he's doing it from multiple leagues. And 626 00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:30.199 that's another thing Like the CFL doesn't do that as much either, which also 627 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:34.119 just drives me crazy because it's like there's people all over the place who are 628 00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:37.800 making this stuff constantly and they're not even taking advantage of that. And they've 629 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.960 been around much longer. So you have to be able to to like, 630 00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.239 you have to be able to gravitate to that stuff because this stuff is being 631 00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.360 done for you for free. Take advantage of it. And like I said, 632 00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:51.840 I get I get there. There there's like that. Well, and 633 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:53.960 we have media because I've talked a little bit about the CFL, Like Darren 634 00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:59.000 Bollman came on and Darren does his Winnipeg Sports show and he's talk to me 635 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:01.079 about this and he's like, know, like because there's like they have media 636 00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:04.840 partners like the CFL, Like, Okay, they don't want to do I'm 637 00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.639 like, I get that, But it's also like it's Twitter. I think 638 00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:10.440 Mike puts out five articles a week during the XFL season, like you know, 639 00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:14.440 talking through you know, the preview and the breakdown and the recap and 640 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:16.480 the power rankings, you know, pat stuff. I just don't get like 641 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.639 we have Josh and Josh this his stuff, and I think that that's a 642 00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.679 tremendous product. They had like another rider that was kind of doing some recaps 643 00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:27.599 since or like a press release, he kind of stuff. But I just 644 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:29.840 I don't know, you don't I don't think you need to have someone on 645 00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:31.480 salary for all of that if you were, if we're trying to cut costs, 646 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:37.360 we haven't here an now, seeing the TV schedule earlier, selling tickets 647 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:40.079 earlier, I think that's great. I don't want to go too early because 648 00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:45.199 we now in the CFL have a world where they announced the CFL schedule last 649 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.960 like the second the Great Cup was over there, like here's our schedule, 650 00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.639 and then we had all this free agency movement in the off season, and 651 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:54.679 now you look at the schedule and not all of the teams are playing like 652 00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:00.000 we got quarterbacks have traded and they're not playing their old team or their moves 653 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:01.519 cities and they're not going back to the old cities, So I think there's 654 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:06.199 a point to do that. Max wants to see it kind of maybe around 655 00:41:06.280 --> 00:41:08.400 combine time end of July. What would you like to see the travel schedule? 656 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:15.639 Oh man, Yeah, you guys brought that up TV schedule. You 657 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.159 guys brought that up on the on the stream last night, and it really 658 00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:22.320 got me to thinking I would at least like to see it again. Sometime 659 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:27.000 in the fall, that would be nice. Maybe September that would be preferable, 660 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.559 if you could get that organized. I mean, at least try to 661 00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:31.159 plan it. Look, these venues all are going to make plans and you 662 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:35.880 have to start scheduling this out. It really depends on how long you've been 663 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.760 in that venue, and obviously you're you're footholding as far as what kind of 664 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:42.960 priority do you get with those those events. Now, since none of those 665 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.119 venues are obviously owned by the league or by the individual teams, they don't 666 00:41:45.119 --> 00:41:51.480 have as much um positioning or power. Case in point, so, like 667 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:57.599 what earlier this year or last week, I saw that the so my team, 668 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:01.320 the organ Ducts are actually playing in the Super this weekend in the uh 669 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:06.079 in NCAA baseball. Well, they share the stadium with a minor league baseball 670 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.360 team. I hope that's actually about calling you for a writing job. I 671 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:13.079 think they are. I think I'm on the hotline right now actually asking for 672 00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:20.079 my ideas. I know, but but no, so UH. One of 673 00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.360 the things that I noticed with UH They're they're scheduling though, is because so 674 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:27.320 they got a super regional hosting this weekend, which is great, like that's 675 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.760 never that never happens, like that's happened twice. Um, and since they 676 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:36.519 came back out of uh not existing. But the problem is is that the 677 00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.079 minor league baseball team that they shared the stadium with now has nowhere to play 678 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:44.039 because they get priority for their for their series, the Oregan baseball team, 679 00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:45.719 because they owned the stadium. The university owns the stadium. So the other 680 00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:50.199 team, the minor league team, has to go play in Washington now because 681 00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:52.320 they have no other stadium to play and in the state of Oregon, like 682 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:54.519 there's no other place to go for them to go play. They had to 683 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:58.360 go all the way to Washington to play their series. So when you don't 684 00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:00.480 have that priority, it's hard to the schedule. I get that. That 685 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:04.599 being said, the XFL has to be able to at least get in online 686 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.400 with these venues and say like, hey, look this is what we're looking 687 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:09.519 at. Let us know what are these dates way far at advance. Because 688 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:14.840 they're gonna schedule concerts, they're gonna schedule you know, ceremony events, they're 689 00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:16.360 gonna schedule other sports, they're gonna do all those kinds of things. You 690 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.480 have to be able to get out and out in front of this because they're 691 00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.280 just going to fill up the schedule. You know, you really have to 692 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:25.159 be on the ball about that. So yes, I would prefer if we 693 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.000 could get maybe the schedule out in September, that'd be awesome. But you 694 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.800 know, maybe that's just watchful thinking. We're talking here at TV schedule or 695 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:36.840 TV schedules and network slots and all of that stuff. I want to talk 696 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.719 about our idea of either are rolling by week kind of around March Madness or 697 00:43:40.840 --> 00:43:45.920 kind of the mid season by But before we get to that, really, 698 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.159 you know Max is talking here, we need to get better time slots, 699 00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.719 better networks, right obviously, we want that. What really struck me and 700 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:55.199 I just you know, we've done all this and we get caught in the 701 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:59.840 minutia every week of these USFL ratings and all this stuff, and here we 702 00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.679 we pounded all season. If you're an XFL family, we want better, 703 00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.199 We want better. You know, we need to be on ABC, We 704 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.840 need to be on better time slots and kind of all that stuff. USFL 705 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:13.199 this year did that right. Last year they were, Ay, we're Friday 706 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.239 on Peacock and we're you know, Sunday night on you know whatever it was 707 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:21.320 FS one or all that stuff. They're on far more network windows this year, 708 00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.519 and their ratings are actually down, I mean ay compared to last year, 709 00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:28.039 but also compared on game average to the XFL. I believe it's not 710 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.440 even close. They don't. I'm sure Mike I can pull up the numbers 711 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:35.760 try. That's not the debate today. But the point is simply getting on 712 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:37.880 better networks. Isn't like, oh, this is a golden bullet, like 713 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.840 we if we just get on ABC every night at eight o'clock, like it's 714 00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.679 going to be better. Yeah, that's gonna help. What do you want 715 00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:49.960 to see in terms of the actual realistic positionings, because the XFL we're not 716 00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.559 going to be ABC, you know, eight o'clock every Saturday. Sunday night. 717 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:54.480 So what would you like to see for that? And I do you 718 00:44:54.519 --> 00:45:00.079 want to talk about the bye weeks? They need to increase the number of 719 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.719 ABC games for sure. What would they last past season seven? That was 720 00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:07.199 the number of the seven make it thirteen. If you can maybe double at 721 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.639 fourteen? Can you get that number up? That would be great. There 722 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:14.280 are gonna be a lot of games on ESPN. I understand that that's fine, 723 00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.599 there's nothing wrong with that. Get as many games off of ESPN two 724 00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:19.960 as you can. Just try to get it on the main network as much 725 00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.519 as possible. The FX thing, it's cool, but I don't think it's 726 00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:23.920 going to be the launch term answer. Maybe have one or two games on 727 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:28.880 FX, but don't have so many like USA Network with USFL. You need 728 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:30.840 to get those games off that and you need to be able to have them 729 00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:36.840 in consistent time slots. Again scheduling with ESPN in the spring. Just try 730 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.440 to finagle it around other other events, but keep it at least to a 731 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:45.719 point where I think if you have Saturday, Saturday afternoon, Saturday evening and 732 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:51.519 then Sunday morning and Sunday early afternoon, I think that's really ideal. I 733 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:52.920 think those are the best time slots, and those are the ones that seem 734 00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:58.440 to draw the most attention and are maybe the most accompatable for people as well 735 00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:00.519 as far as their schedules go. Because it's it's the weekend. You don't 736 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:06.199 have to worry about traveling during game day or or some some of that nature. 737 00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:08.800 Now, I did travel on a Sunday for the Arlington game, the 738 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.599 Arlington and San Antonio game I went to. That was on a Sunday afternoon, 739 00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.239 and I flew back that night. But it wasn't so bad. I 740 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:21.360 was fine with that. So I think you have to be congressed of these 741 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:23.039 people's lives and what's going on in their lives. Now, if you get 742 00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:27.239 the local market involved, you get the people and the kids involved and the 743 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.719 families involved, that's great. And again I think those times slots, those 744 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:36.000 earlier time slots are great. Just you can't have the seven o'clock West coast 745 00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:38.760 times like that just cannot happen. That's that's killer. That's like Pac twelve 746 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:43.800 football. It's just you cannot have those reason then yeah, you're not hitting 747 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:49.119 the national market at that point. They have Your dragons have to not be 748 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:53.119 basically the doormat for the scheduling this time because they got absolutely hosts this past 749 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:59.119 season. They cannot have that happen again because it just it was very inconsistent, 750 00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.280 and it was all the map and it was just poor times. Honestly, 751 00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:05.000 it was just really really poor times. I mean that Thursday, that 752 00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.480 Thursday night against Houston, that should have been a big deal, but it 753 00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:09.400 was during March Madness. It's March Madness that it was a late start. 754 00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:12.599 It was like, no one's gonna watch this. I'm sorry, this is 755 00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.239 really just horrendous timing on this. The March schedule. Like I said, 756 00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:19.599 this goes back to what I was saying about hopefully putting in the bye week, 757 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:22.440 which I'll get into in a minute, if it's going to transition there, 758 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.000 but like that would actually help you try to create a schedule around March, 759 00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:29.360 because March Madness is going to be there privately no matter what. So 760 00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:34.480 maybe just focus more of your programming in late February and April. If you 761 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:37.800 can get the little bit of bye week action going in March. Maybe that 762 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:39.519 way then you don't have to worry about as many games and where they go 763 00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:44.519 and their time slots. Something interesting as well. Luis brought this up, 764 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:46.119 but we'll get to the bye weeks and Max and I have talked about this. 765 00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:51.039 This Rider's track right now is really interesting. And obviously I am in 766 00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.199 full support that the Riders is someone that's grown up in you know, arts 767 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:58.960 and brought you know, content creation all of that, and then wanting to 768 00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:01.679 get paid more and then one to get like we don't want AI people not 769 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:06.320 even so much like it. I think it gets not even so much like 770 00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.800 writing scripts right like obviously we're not going to have like AI at least right 771 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:12.400 now, right in an episode of The Parks or Wreck or whatever. But 772 00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:17.280 you know, even just doing like translated close captioning or like dubovers for TV 773 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:21.280 shows and movies and stuff like that's a job that now you're, oh, 774 00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:22.599 the AI can just spit that out. You know they're used to. You 775 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:24.719 know, there's people that sit there and like, you know, do the 776 00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:29.880 overdubs or do the do the translations kind of all that stuff, protecting all 777 00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:34.760 that stuff. But not having writers now means and I remember the time back 778 00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.199 in I think it was oh nine after the last writers strike, but we 779 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.440 had a lot of sports and we had a lot of really bad TV shows. 780 00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:45.800 We had opposite worlds where two different sets of people. One lived in 781 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:50.599 like caveman times and one lived in future times and they were separated by a 782 00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:53.800 glass wall ot of if you remember that, and then there was who done 783 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:57.239 it? It was like a murder mystery, and we had this guy named 784 00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.519 Giles that was the host that would like scream at the people they would get 785 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.360 killed, and it was very fascinating. But I think that Sport to Reality 786 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.280 is going to be big time here coming into the fall, going into the 787 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:12.360 winter, depending on how long this lasts because the machine has to catch up. 788 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.639 Right. What are your thoughts on the writer's strike affecting XFL next year? 789 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.599 Can I give you a conspiracy theory? Yeah, I think it's a 790 00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:22.679 methodology from Hollywood to not have to get into the business of green lighting different 791 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.039 ideas, and they want to cut that from their time budget schedule. So 792 00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.760 I think I think that's really what it's about. They just don't want to 793 00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:30.880 deal with Okay, well I have to argue about this idea and this thing 794 00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:32.360 and this, so it's like, no, I'm just gonna give it the 795 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:35.840 AI and I'm just gonna improve it, and I don't have to think about 796 00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:40.800 I don't have to negotiate creative creative differences with an AI bought right. That's 797 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.320 that's something that I'm sure a lot of those exacts were like, well, 798 00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:45.760 this just saves me a lot of time. Might not just do this and 799 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.280 money? Of course, that's what it always comes down to, right, 800 00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.480 cutting corners, and so yeah, it is, but it is a good 801 00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.000 point, and it's something that people have to stand for and be able to 802 00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:57.760 say, hey, no, I'm not willing to put up with this. 803 00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:00.719 This sucks, Like I don't want to get either in this content because it's 804 00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:05.440 it's you know, it's a lot of words that I can't say here on 805 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.480 error, but like it's there's a lot of things to it that don't it's 806 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:14.119 it's very inhuman, and it's inhumane in a lot of ways because it's not 807 00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:17.519 something that appreciates what people have done before this and what people are doing now 808 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.679 in terms of like creating content and entertains us. And is that something that 809 00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:28.519 like really especially our country is all about as being entertained is just being involved 810 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:34.400 with people's lives and being involved in content that really engages us. That's I 811 00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.239 think it's just it's it's a mistake to try and think that that could just 812 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:42.559 be immediately replaced by AI technology. Right now, it's not sufficient enough, 813 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.079 and I don't know if it ever will be, because there doesn't have that 814 00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.679 human element to it. Can you simulate humanity? Like that's the thing I 815 00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:52.440 wonder about. I know that's really deep like logistical stuff that doesn't really mesh 816 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.079 with our audience, But like that's just kind of stuff I think about with 817 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.960 the writers Guild stuff. But yeah, with with U and in terms of 818 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:02.440 creating content for you know, the xpl if you're going to tie back into 819 00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:06.599 that, Yeah, like do you want an AI bought to write player fifty 820 00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.840 four? You tell me? You know it's send that, sending that in 821 00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:14.559 the chat, make that a voting poll. Has a good comment here? 822 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:17.199 Girls are Martin has been on the writer strike since twenty eleven. I appreciate 823 00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:20.519 that. I appreciate that. That was good. That was good. We 824 00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:22.400 have a comment here, act by age. I'll pull it up at the 825 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:23.920 end. I'm saving viewer comments. Well we'll throw up all that stuff, 826 00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:27.519 so act to age. I got yours there. In terms of yeah, 827 00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.400 I do think sports high profile here Max pointed out the actress are on strike 828 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.719 and there it's like all in support, We're all in support them, all 829 00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:39.119 that stuff. The rolling by. So I want we're either team just midweek 830 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:45.199 hearts or mid season hardstop or team mid season rolling by. So I don't 831 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.440 think the unless we're going to do a real media week, which we did 832 00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.639 not do the week by between the championship and the playoff game. I understand 833 00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:58.519 we want to accommodate people traveling. I don't think that's beneficial. Andy is 834 00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:00.840 the team team, Hey, you take those first three weeks in March, 835 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:06.280 two teams off, they get rolling by one eat, you know each week. 836 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:08.519 That way, there's only you know, three games we have to schedule, 837 00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:10.159 so I guess it would be four weeks, right with you? Four 838 00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:15.039 weeks we're rolling by all three March. I say, just at least hard 839 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.079 stop the first week in March. Take it off. It's a mid seat, 840 00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:20.280 you know, midwinter break, and then we come back and we do 841 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:24.159 it. Give your pitch here for the mid season rowing break, rowing by. 842 00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:29.039 Well again, I think it's not only integral for a rest for the 843 00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.119 players, because I know it's a you know, I get spring is not 844 00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:35.679 a long season, but it's still long enough that there's still attrition involved with 845 00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:38.000 these players in these teams, right, and you want to have time to 846 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:42.480 be able to account for different things that happened. Again, can you have 847 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:47.039 a week four, five, six, seven where two teams take it by 848 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:51.719 every every once every week, and then that way they have time to kind 849 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:54.320 of reevaluate, maybe do some players signings as well. Maybe go out and 850 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:58.639 get some players signings, get people more integrated. Like again, what happened 851 00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:00.840 if Arlington made that trade or Luis earlier in the season and then they said, 852 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.000 hey, we're gonna do it before bye week. We get him in 853 00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.880 here, we start kind of recommendating ourselves and then maybe their season actually turns 854 00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.719 around even faster than it did last year. Or you get a team like 855 00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:15.440 maybe maybe just get Orlando to kind of settle down and be like, Okay, 856 00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.000 what is going on here? What's happening with dormity, what's happening with 857 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.159 our quarterbacks? What's happened? You know it's Rrell Buckley is not trying to 858 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:23.840 you know, run around with his hair on fire for one week and he's 859 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:28.480 trying to figure out what's going on. Like maybe just that way you sort 860 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.639 of calm the waters a little bit for your team. And again, it's 861 00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:35.960 integral rest, it's it's kind of reevaluating. It's sort of stepping back and 862 00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.199 seeing, well, what's what's working, what's not. That to me, 863 00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:43.159 from a strategy standpoint and from a player safety standpoint, I think makes a 864 00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.280 lot of sense. But again for the TV schedule, it also makes sense 865 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:49.559 because because again, if you do it in that month of March, now 866 00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:52.840 it's like, Okay, you just have to worry about scheduling three games around 867 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:54.760 March Madness. We don't have to worry about this. And again March Madness, 868 00:53:54.840 --> 00:54:00.280 I mean there's two weekends that are four days. Right, There's the 869 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:06.079 first two weeks are Thursday through Sunday. So if you want, maybe you 870 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:09.360 can experiment with having a Thursday game again, but not during those first two 871 00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.880 weeks. Maybe the third week, maybe at the very end of March, 872 00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:17.360 when there's only I think it's the Elite not or the Final Four, like 873 00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:21.199 the Final Four itself, which actually kind of goes more into April. But 874 00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.519 my point being is that now you can if you want to put a game 875 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:27.559 on Thursday. It's not a detriment to your your ratings like it was with 876 00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.800 Houston at Seattle. So that's that's my pitch for it. So it's players 877 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:35.320 safety, it's strategy, and it's TV ratings. So those are the three 878 00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:38.760 reasons why I would want to have that adjusted schedule. And the bye weeks, 879 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:40.960 the rolling by weeks. You have a lot of people on here the 880 00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:44.920 want the rolling bye week. Here's my idea, and this is I am. 881 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.119 I just thought about this. I kind of chuckled here. Sometimes if 882 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.239 he wants I can get to see me start to grip with. I think 883 00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:53.320 it dumb stuff to talk about. What if we do we take kind of 884 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:57.039 the best element of Fanker tro football? Right, So you know we were 885 00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:00.960 drafting the teams every week. What if we do I'm a survivor fan. 886 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:04.239 What do we do the mid season bye week and we do a tribe swap? 887 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:08.559 And what do you mean by tribe swamp? We we do a team 888 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:13.360 week. We read rout the teams, but they don't know. I'm kidding. 889 00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:15.559 I'm good, I'm kidding. That was just the read show. Do 890 00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.000 you want to flip the field too? You want to do that? Let 891 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.440 the field? We get a fifth down, we get all that stuff out 892 00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:23.760 here. I have looked at this weird that we're very off pace to get 893 00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:27.679 done with this the reasonable time. We'll do our best. Andy like petitioned 894 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:29.960 about two hours here, so I think, well, we'll try to hit 895 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.039 at least that. But this is a lot of stuff here. Last thing 896 00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:36.480 on this, and then we're gonna get to local marketing because this is all 897 00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:42.119 kind of national stuff. Connect with local sports media everywhere, even without xml 898 00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.280 teams, you know, try to get either on the radio, on TV. 899 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:50.719 Connect with people because I know people in Seattle that don't know that the 900 00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.360 XMLC Dragons exist. So we're gonna get to that. But how do we 901 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:59.960 get the national how do we get that national spotlight more? Again, I'm 902 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:02.480 mean it's not just TV times. I mean the TV schedule does help because 903 00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:06.400 I know people started to kind of warm up to it once they started, 904 00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:14.320 you know, this games were on TV. But I not not with Survivor. 905 00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:16.079 She doesn't watch Survivor, I guess, or if she's watched too much 906 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.880 Survivor. I'll tell you the tribes on that that's a raining thing. You 907 00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:21.920 know, Hey, I actually found their coming in here. We got there, 908 00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:24.519 We got there, we're hey, FCF did it every week? It 909 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:28.239 was, and they you could like then the second season, you could like 910 00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:30.159 save certain players so you could be like, well, we're not like they 911 00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:34.119 would just change O lines. They would just go this like this O lines 912 00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:37.079 is set and we're just we're gonna send it to the Glacier Boys and then 913 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.480 their D lines gonna come. It was. I mean, it was at 914 00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:44.000 least in the event every week. I'm sorry, FCF season one was top 915 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:47.559 notch. Yeah, I wonder, like, does do the CFL fans know 916 00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:51.840 that FCFS exists? Because I want to know what they would like, would 917 00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.400 they like faint if they knew that there was a leak that had five downs? 918 00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.480 They think they think it's raight to four as a radical idea, wait 919 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:05.920 till they get a load of them. But I just yeah, so as 920 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.000 far as like, as far as like getting more exposure though for the for 921 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:10.960 the for the games, yeah, I mean, like again, there's not 922 00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.519 that overall presence of what's going on even in the in the markets themselves, 923 00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.239 right, So I wrote down a couple of things. First of all, 924 00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.239 you need to have more community events. You need to be able to get 925 00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:25.519 people out and be able to do more meet and Greece uh more, maybe 926 00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:29.960 raffles or or like little events of like, hey we're having this thing going 927 00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:31.760 on, here's an offer, like a package you could win for winning in 928 00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:36.079 this game. Like do more like local promoting, Like I know it's like 929 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.760 super old school, but but like you know, radio or TV, uh 930 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:43.480 local marketing. I see. I saw ads for you know, the San 931 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.920 Diego IFL team last year, the San Diego Fleet, you know, and 932 00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:52.239 or the Oh my god, wow, that's how that's how much I care 933 00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:58.920 about the strike Force. That shows you no. But like like my fleet 934 00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.079 love dies hard, it really does. But you know, for the Strike 935 00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:07.719 Force, they got all of this local marketing and they have like TV ads 936 00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:14.480 I've seen like postgame shows and pregame shows for them. And I just didn't 937 00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:16.639 really see that with the XFL markets. Again, I wasn't in those specific 938 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:21.760 markets, but from what I was seeing from the periphery of all of you 939 00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:23.360 being involved in those markets, I didn't see that as much. The more 940 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:28.920 community events, that's one that I wrote down. Another thing I wanted to 941 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:34.920 see more more banners. That's that's another thing. Can you get more billboards? 942 00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:37.280 Let me tell you. Since the MLS team gout announced Sandre, I'm 943 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:42.039 seeing banners left and right for that thing. I'm seeing like billboard announcements. 944 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:46.320 It's like gotten around town. The word that website was posted, checking in 945 00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:52.480 information. They already had like a fan event for the team, like I 946 00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:54.440 want to say, like a day after it was announced that the team was 947 00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:58.880 coming in. And so you need more stuff like that. You need to 948 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:00.880 say, hey, look, especially then, especially the XFL has to take 949 00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:04.960 advantage of this. Right they're actually in the cities, they have to take 950 00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.519 advantage of that because otherwise people if people don't know you're there or aren't made 951 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:12.239 aware of that, they're not going to show up. And that's they have 952 00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:15.599 to put more emphasis on that. So just more banners, more community events, 953 00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:21.519 and more meet and greets and local TV spots, those are the things 954 00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:23.599 that I really look at. Yeah, well but and so we will do 955 00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:27.840 that as well. Local step i'd bean I'm talking like if I'm if I'm 956 00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:32.000 living in Boise, Idaho, like you know, and and the CFL they've 957 00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:36.039 championed this as well, like hey, now we're on CBS Sports Network. 958 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.320 It's like they're going to promote more of this and it really is like Jim 959 00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:42.480 nance talked about it during the Masters or whatever the golf thing was, and 960 00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:45.840 then they've had some like little local banners and stuff. I just don't know. 961 00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:51.239 We have to convert more of those fans unless you're living in those markets. 962 00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:54.840 I will say, can we get I know we've we've long championed Dwayne 963 00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:59.719 the Rock Johnson social media prowess on here. Can we get Messy to tweet 964 00:59:59.719 --> 01:00:05.480 about since he went to the Miami team. I've read this that they now 965 01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:13.000 that that Miami INNERFC team has more Instagram followers than any like MLB, NHL, 966 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.519 NFL, any mls like they have. I mean, can we get 967 01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:21.840 Messy tweeting about this? Can we get him talking about I don't care about 968 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:24.960 the Rock tweet I want Messy doing that. Also, in terms of under 969 01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:28.960 armour, I think there were like things this year and supply chain, so 970 01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:31.599 we got to get that because the most frustrating thing is seeing coaches and people 971 01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:35.679 were cool under arm or stuff on the sidelines and not being able to purchase 972 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:37.079 that. I think there were issues with that, but obviously we need to 973 01:00:37.119 --> 01:00:44.239 work on that. All the jerseys just like like quarters zips, nice sweatshirts 974 01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:47.079 kind of all that stuff. Yeah, I mean I like the idea of 975 01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:51.880 designs, but as far as the execution, I think it left much to 976 01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.679 be desired and there's a lot more where that could have been presented. Also, 977 01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:59.280 again, just like getting it sold and the stadiums didn't seem to be 978 01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.480 very consistent, and trying to find it was also difficult. Like in the 979 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:05.440 championship game. I mean I saw jerseys for sale, but they were kind 980 01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:07.239 of like tucked away in a corner somewhere like one end of the stadium that 981 01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:10.199 you had to like find specifically if you wanted to go buy one. And 982 01:01:10.760 --> 01:01:15.760 Arlington, I don't really remember seeing much gear around. I maybe I didn't 983 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:17.360 look hard enough, but I walked around the stadium on the on the lower 984 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:22.159 concourse level and I didn't see much there either. So they need to be 985 01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.239 able to present that a little bit more forwardly and be because you're not gonna 986 01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:27.119 have a team store, right, you're not going to have that at this 987 01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:30.119 point, but at least trying to find a way to like get that that 988 01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:32.760 gear out of that merch out in a more present fashion and be able to 989 01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:37.599 have it right there. Because something I mean, there's there's like lower level 990 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.079 leagues, you know, or at least leagues other leagues I've been to that 991 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:44.920 I don't have as much camaraderie or as much fanfare that do a better job 992 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.519 of getting their products out or at least presenting their gear right. Like there's 993 01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:50.559 the way there. I've been to places where I'm like, oh, there's 994 01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:52.039 they're selling a scarf, or they're selling this jersey, or they're selling the 995 01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.039 shirt, or they're selling that. Like there's always something that I'll see where 996 01:01:55.199 --> 01:02:00.559 somebody's presenting their products more forwardly than some of these bigger leagues, like the 997 01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:04.760 XFL for example, they need to just put it out there more. Is 998 01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:07.559 this shirt I didn't even mean to put this, Oh I just put this 999 01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:08.960 on because I need something to wear today. Is this shirt better than like 1000 01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:14.440 any of the generic XFL, Like I think generic XFL twenty twenty is still 1001 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:17.800 better than generic XFL twenty twenty three in terms of like that just the seattle 1002 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:22.679 with like the whatever, the X two the two arrows. Yeah, that's 1003 01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:27.920 I think as far as athletic gears goes, Like I actually like my sweatshirt, 1004 01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:30.159 my XFL sweatsherd actually train in it sometimes like that. But see, 1005 01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:35.039 here's the thing though, they need to be careful about, like what market 1006 01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:37.800 are you peeling to? Are' appeeling to the people who like, are like 1007 01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:40.960 the the athletic market where people are like training all the time, or are 1008 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.599 you feeling to the fans? And I feel like sometimes it's more of the 1009 01:02:44.639 --> 01:02:47.320 people who are like going to the gym as opposed to not that our fans 1010 01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:50.880 don't go to the gym, but saying like people who are like gym lifers 1011 01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:53.360 and people who only focus on like their fitness as opposed to people who are 1012 01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:58.719 engaged in the product and engaged in the lifestyle and talking about the sport. 1013 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:01.280 I feel like there's less that the xfil twenty twenty was very much about that 1014 01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:06.360 that was all they cared about. This one's kind of more a little bit 1015 01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.960 more trying to appeal to both markets, and I think it's more of appealing 1016 01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:14.719 to one side than the das the other, So that in my opinion, 1017 01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:16.000 Yeah, the Seattle one that you're wearing, like, for example, is 1018 01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:20.840 just again it pops, it's more vibrant, it's it's noticeable, especially like 1019 01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:23.400 that that logo is going to be hard for them to erase from people's minds 1020 01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:27.320 because I think it really was in a lot of ways iconic, and it 1021 01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:29.800 was colorful, and it stood for a lot of things, not saying that 1022 01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:32.519 there's doesn't right now, but it stands for something different than what people had 1023 01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:37.719 from their vision three years ago. Anything else where I want to talk here 1024 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:42.239 at local kind of getting some of these events we want to see in the 1025 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:45.800 fault, like tangible stuff here, anything else attracting, because I still don't 1026 01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:49.280 think we've cracked this code of like if you don't live in one of the 1027 01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:51.760 eight, because we were going to stop down here if you live in like 1028 01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.079 if you live in San Antonio, But if I live in Nebraska, what 1029 01:03:55.719 --> 01:03:59.719 are we doing to reach me? Is it just because I do feel like 1030 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:03.239 I have complimented many times. I think XL Twitter for what they've had this 1031 01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:05.920 year. I think they've done a tremendous job right and then they've been getting 1032 01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:11.280 on to TikTok and Instagram and everything else. But if I'm not on Twitter 1033 01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:15.079 following XFL or the Rock, like, I don't know how I learned about 1034 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.320 this. So how do we get Joe in Nebraska to figure out about the 1035 01:04:17.400 --> 01:04:26.280 league this year, besides TV exposure, I think you have to appeal to 1036 01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:30.440 maybe certain players that are from that area. And I know now as far 1037 01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:33.519 as like those players playing in the actual markets, I don't think that really 1038 01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:36.880 does a lot of things. Like you know, last I checked, you 1039 01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:41.000 know, Brady White came from Memphis and he plays from the Memphis show Boats. 1040 01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:43.719 Okay, cool, I don't that's not really something that appeals to me. 1041 01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:46.320 But as far as like maybe taking players from other places and then them 1042 01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.360 coming into your league, maybe you appeal more to that, right, Like 1043 01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:54.320 what if someone like speaking of Nebraska, or if someone like Taylor Martinez showed 1044 01:04:54.400 --> 01:04:58.800 up in the league and somebody who Nebraska fans are very familiar with, maybe 1045 01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:00.280 then you can start appeal to the like, hey, you remember this guy, 1046 01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:04.320 he's gonna start playing for this team. I remember yesterday I was watching 1047 01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:09.360 the BC game. I saw an Oregon duck jersey or sweatshirt in the crowd, 1048 01:05:09.440 --> 01:05:12.480 in the Calgary crowd, and gets very It's very vibrant, like it's 1049 01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:14.960 a you know, bright green and the sea of red. So it's like 1050 01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:19.039 it's the easiest thing to notice. But like, I pretty certain that's because 1051 01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:24.000 Vernon Adams plays for BC, right, like he's he's a Duck alumni and 1052 01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:27.320 Eastern Watching alumni of course, but like the Duck fans, it's plutting me 1053 01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.840 remember him very fondly. So that's something that you can appeal to, saying 1054 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:33.440 like, hey do you remember this guy? He was pretty you know, 1055 01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:39.440 you can really start to appeal to players that came from certain colleges. Maybe 1056 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:42.800 that's something that you can talk about, or players that are from that, 1057 01:05:42.920 --> 01:05:45.880 you know, maybe a really renowned high school area, maybe in Texas for 1058 01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:47.920 example. I think that's something that they have to appeal to as well. 1059 01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:53.920 Other than that, I mean, if you don't have a team, how 1060 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:56.519 do I mean it's the same thing you ask it yourself with the NFL. 1061 01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:59.039 It's like, well, the NFL has fans everywhere, even if there's states 1062 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:01.159 that don't have fans, So how do you get them to maybe choose a 1063 01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:03.760 team? Do you think the us and I don't know if they are or 1064 01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:09.559 not. Do you think the USFL is doing a better job attracted a national 1065 01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:12.480 market or because I don't, I don't know, I don't know if that 1066 01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:15.360 Fox like it just feels more familiar, right, like, oh, like 1067 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.000 what is this, Oh, it's ful, like I don't know, and 1068 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:21.280 maybe just the way their product looks and kind of sounds, because it does 1069 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:27.039 feel like I go back and forth, like how much can the casual viewer 1070 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:30.320 really tell the difference between the XFL and the USFL. But when you watch 1071 01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:32.280 a Fox, especially the Fox ones, when you watch the Fox broadcast, 1072 01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:35.880 like, you know exactly what this feels like. I mean, there is 1073 01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:40.360 a level of familiarity with it, certainly with the broadcast presentation, but as 1074 01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:43.760 far as like the teams, I mean, they clearly are cornering the market 1075 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.280 on the Midwest, like and the Upper East Coast. That's the that's their 1076 01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:49.760 strategy. So for me, I mean there's kind of disassociation with that as 1077 01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:55.360 far as there's no West coast teams, so that that does add into it. 1078 01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:59.039 But as far as the presentation goes, yeah, I mean it's something 1079 01:06:59.119 --> 01:07:01.840 that a fan could immediately recognized, or the NBC broadcast too, It's something 1080 01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:06.559 that most casual NFL fans could immediately recognize. It's just a matter of well, 1081 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:12.320 I don't really know these markets very well, like can or you know, 1082 01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:15.599 Memphis or some of these other markets that people are not as in tune 1083 01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:19.559 with but also again not seeing the play their markets too, because then people 1084 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:21.639 are starting to wonder, like, wait, where are they right now? 1085 01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:26.519 Okay, they're they're the hub, but like you know, but then you 1086 01:07:26.639 --> 01:07:30.000 have like you have. We we had an interaction we we witnessed from a 1087 01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:33.960 person that was trying to watch the New Orleans Breakers from New Orleans and uh, 1088 01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:40.519 let's just say his his um his curiosity was not met with the kindest 1089 01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:44.480 gestures because he was trying to figure out why is there a New Orleans team 1090 01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:46.079 that's not playing in New Orleans. You know you're going to have those questions 1091 01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:48.280 from people. I'm sorry, like you're gonna have to deal with that. 1092 01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.559 Why why the teams are not playing in their home markets. You're gonna hear 1093 01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:58.920 it over and over again. It's it's a weird um USFL and I don't 1094 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:01.239 you can please correct me, and I don't want to be the XFL like 1095 01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:05.079 stand here, there's a level. Certainly, the CFL has its level of 1096 01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:10.119 gate keeping, right of um you know, we've been around forever. We 1097 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:14.920 feel like the NFL's a little brother in Canada. And I say, having 1098 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:18.479 spoken to Canadians is recently it's two weeks ago with John Hodge. They have 1099 01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:21.880 an inferiority complex. I mean that is John Hodge's where's you know when when 1100 01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:27.840 it comes to this, we feel very protective about that. The USFL has 1101 01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.680 it kind of a similar where it's like, yeah, we know we're in 1102 01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:34.199 the hub, leave us alone. Like it's it's a similar like thing. 1103 01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:41.119 And it's really where I don't I've never and send me tweeted me like I've 1104 01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:44.840 never seen an XFL fan like, well, you're just a big idiot. 1105 01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:46.560 You don't realize. And maybe there are, and you know when I know 1106 01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:49.239 some people get a little passionate. I just it feels like it's a different 1107 01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:53.800 level of gate keeping on there, at least with the USFL and the XFL, 1108 01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:58.920 because it is and I firmly believe it's in the USBL and inferiority complex. 1109 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:00.800 A lot of the interaction as they have both the next and fell and 1110 01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:05.359 with other fans, I think it's just a little level of hostility that is 1111 01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:10.359 really unnecessary. And I see it from just a little bit like look, 1112 01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:14.960 you get it. Here's the deal. Every league is going to have things 1113 01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:18.079 that they are not going to be able to do. And things that they 1114 01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:23.399 want to do better. And I think, look, I think it's still 1115 01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:26.319 channeling from fans if I'm going to be honest, for if you're talking about 1116 01:09:26.319 --> 01:09:30.159 inferiority complexs of what maybe the higher ups are not understanding, Like it's like, 1117 01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:35.439 it's so funny, how how like tribal people can be with like the 1118 01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:41.319 their likes and dislikes. And yet I think in some ways maybe it's already 1119 01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:45.000 channeling some of their own frustrations from what's not happening at the higher levels of 1120 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:47.760 Okay, well, I've complained about this a lot of times, but they 1121 01:09:47.800 --> 01:09:50.199 don't get it. So that's never going to change. And maybe it's that, 1122 01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:55.399 But you have to you can't just attack people who are like, don't 1123 01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:58.079 know about this, because that's not how it works. You know, you 1124 01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:01.479 just can't. I I've been learning the CFL game in the last three years, 1125 01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:04.520 and now I finally get to a point where I'm feeling comfortable talking about 1126 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:09.760 it and really starting to understand it a little bit better because at least you've 1127 01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:13.479 done a good job of getting people involved that but you have to do work. 1128 01:10:13.560 --> 01:10:15.880 You should I wouldn't have to do work to watch it, like I'm 1129 01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:19.800 Watchington Commanders fan. I've never been to be watching Commanders football game ever. 1130 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:23.439 About I don't have anyone on there, like, well, why are you 1131 01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:27.720 tweeting about like I just I'm a fan of the team I enjoy. Well, 1132 01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:30.279 you shouldn't have. I shouldn't have to do homework to be a fan 1133 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:32.600 of like I should be able to enjoy if I like it. I mean, 1134 01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:34.439 listen, I had to start somewhere too, you know, Like, 1135 01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:39.439 should I have been spending seven hours a day watching NFL network when I was 1136 01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:42.680 fourteen? Probably not, But you know I did that because that was on 1137 01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:45.560 my own volition and I wanted I was curious. I wanted to know something. 1138 01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:47.680 There wasn't some But there wasn't some like NFL fan, you know coming 1139 01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:50.039 after me being like, oh, why are you want to be a Chargers 1140 01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:53.359 fan or what? What? What do you want to learn about our league? 1141 01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:55.720 No one did that Like that. That wasn't a thing, right, 1142 01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:59.600 There's no gate keeping there. You know, maybe there would be in like 1143 01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:01.479 certain message boards, but like that, that wasn't a thing in my life. 1144 01:11:01.560 --> 01:11:04.640 You know. That's I just became part of the league and that was 1145 01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:09.560 it. No problem. The transaction's done, you know, like I don't 1146 01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:14.319 that. That's just what baffles me about these leagues, especially players or people 1147 01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:16.640 who I feel like they have this thing that they really care about, but 1148 01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:19.920 it's almost like they don't want it to change sometimes but they don't want it 1149 01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:24.680 to be different because then if other people get involved and you know, too 1150 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:27.600 many, too many cooks in the kitchen. I like, I get it, 1151 01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:29.680 But at the same time, it's like, if you want your league 1152 01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:32.199 or your your thing to survive, you need to be able to adapt and 1153 01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:36.439 change and you need to understand that. And that's what we talk about all 1154 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:41.880 day long on this show every day. It's like I remember back with like 1155 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:45.319 the Ataris when they were like kind of they were like so ky right, 1156 01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:47.199 so calpunk band, and they had so long a story. It came out 1157 01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:50.000 and then they were like to sellouts and everyone wanted to know about him, 1158 01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:54.319 and then they were warped tour and people were chanting like you sold out. 1159 01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:58.119 The guy like literally exposed himself on the stage. It was quite see it 1160 01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:00.119 was quite the see the World tour. Yeah, you know, like you 1161 01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:03.319 hold this pressures. I remember that, Like even when Danger Show Football was 1162 01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:08.039 coming out like I think Paul and I felt like we really had that market 1163 01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:11.239 like kind of covered, right, we have like Patrick D's on the show 1164 01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:14.680 and stuff. And then yeah, they start going and they ramping up through 1165 01:12:14.720 --> 01:12:17.239 promotion, they kind of like you get a lot more people kind of involved 1166 01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:18.960 in it, and it is just weird, like, well, how do 1167 01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:24.199 we balance this thing that maybe we believe in? But I don't know. 1168 01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:28.199 I think extvel Fans has kind of wanted to succeed. I think in general 1169 01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:30.880 they do. I think it's more of just they wanted to grow and they 1170 01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:33.600 wanted to get better. They and they're they're more open to change because it 1171 01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:36.159 is it's kind of like a startup in a lot of ways, right, 1172 01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:40.199 it feels more like a startup. The USFL doesn't feel like a startup. 1173 01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:43.680 It just feels like, you know, resting on its laurels and it has 1174 01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:45.920 kind of an old brand that it sort of keeps itself in line with. 1175 01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:53.239 But as far as the the XFL goes, I think there's more responses and 1176 01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:56.560 opens to change, you know, with the rules or with you know, 1177 01:12:56.800 --> 01:13:01.439 moving teams around and with being in different markets and different social media presence, 1178 01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:06.159 I think there's more willingness to change because it ultimately the ultimate goals survival, 1179 01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:11.680 because they know that survival has not been a thing for a lot of these 1180 01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:15.640 leagues and it has not gone well in that regard. Whereas the CFL, 1181 01:13:15.680 --> 01:13:18.279 I mean, they know they've survived, they've been around forever, and change 1182 01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:25.399 is scary because it might mean their survival is cut short. But I personally 1183 01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:29.520 think that there are things that they can work on that aren't going to completely 1184 01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:32.319 cripple their entire fan base. I do think there are adjustments that could be 1185 01:13:32.399 --> 01:13:35.760 made along the way. Last comment here and then I got it. We 1186 01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:39.720 got a little bullet points to get through. Jonath Lewis Wisaga. I put 1187 01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:41.600 this up before. I want to make sure we stopped down this, he 1188 01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.560 trains in his ext aren't sure as well? Perfect for the twelve ounts curls 1189 01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:48.479 if you know what he's talking about, drinking beer. When I studied abroad 1190 01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:51.640 in Italy, I did like a monthlong video project over there, and this 1191 01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:56.960 guy named seven Mountain of a man owned the local bar town. I think 1192 01:13:57.000 --> 01:14:00.520 he was seven because he was like the seventh child or whatever. Committee was 1193 01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:02.840 like Italian for seven. We call him seven. He was in this mountain 1194 01:14:02.840 --> 01:14:04.880 of a man and we're like seven, like, what's the deal. He 1195 01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:09.159 goes, well, I used to be a weightlifter and I would I would 1196 01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:11.720 lift weights every day. He goes, so I bought this bar and now 1197 01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:15.119 I just I drink comparrass every day. So similar vibes with John Lewis and 1198 01:14:15.159 --> 01:14:18.720 seven on there. We're talking local marketing. Max has here. You know, 1199 01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:24.840 fall draft parties in the local markets, engage Exevillo staff more closely in 1200 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:29.479 local and local media and sports media. Get out to as many high school 1201 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:32.079 and college football games as possible, you know, give out T shirts and 1202 01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:35.880 kind of all that stuff, especially Texas and FIDA. I would also say 1203 01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:40.039 on that I know they were doing that with the Kraken last year. You 1204 01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:43.199 know, we have kind of year round sports down in Seattle, but but 1205 01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:45.520 get out to that, you know, get out to the Seahawk games. 1206 01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:47.479 I think we'll see more of that now, right that we have some people 1207 01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:50.439 and staff. Again, that's why I don't want to see too much ramp 1208 01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:56.720 up or ramp down. My last point and obviously toss you when I did 1209 01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:00.880 the Seattle event show, this would have been in twenty nineteen. This was 1210 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:03.159 I was there showcasing and hey, I'm a videographer. We do what you 1211 01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:06.079 know, weddings and events and kind of all that stuff, even things like 1212 01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:10.439 that the XFL. How the presence out in terms of you know, you 1213 01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:13.000 want to find out about season tickets, you want to find out this stuff, 1214 01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:15.399 like anywhere we're like, hey, a bunch of people are coming to 1215 01:15:15.520 --> 01:15:18.239 this. Hey the Home and Garden show, right, or we got these 1216 01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:24.399 trade shows anything that's an expense. I mean you're paying to be involved in 1217 01:15:24.520 --> 01:15:27.159 that. But but I think you know, even standing outside in front of 1218 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:29.720 the cracking game trying to do that. But but figure out you know, 1219 01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:33.000 cracking starts in preseasons in September. I mean you got a long roll up 1220 01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:36.239 there. And tabling events too, right, just like being able to go 1221 01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:41.720 to like tabling events and be able to get your name out. There has 1222 01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:45.960 to be a way that they can find avenues where they can appeal or like 1223 01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:48.560 push out more of their content and more of their stuff. I mean, 1224 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:55.800 I've gone two events where people are trying to get you know, just just 1225 01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:58.319 to get get their name out and get the word out. I never when 1226 01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:01.079 the Fleet existed, they had a partnership with some of the players. Uh, 1227 01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:06.039 there's a there's a fitness center. It's called Orange Theory and they have 1228 01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:12.720 like a bunch of different a different places across different regions, and there's a 1229 01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:15.319 lot in San Diego County and they had like some sort of partnership with some 1230 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:17.560 of the players from the Fleet for them to come in, like hey, 1231 01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:21.079 you can come in and like train for free and come in and hang out 1232 01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:25.880 at Orange Theory, and like there's like, oh, there's like a football 1233 01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:28.279 player here. Wait, you do one for a living. Oh you played 1234 01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:30.359 for this team. Oh we have a team to Okay, So like that, 1235 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:31.920 you know, that was cool. That was cool. I was like, 1236 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:36.239 oh that's nice. I mean I I got a promotion through, actually 1237 01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:42.000 my mom got in promotion through for them to get sideline tickets, Like you're 1238 01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:45.399 like sideline access to one of the games. It was against it was against 1239 01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:47.640 Birmingham Iron, it was against Louis Perez and we got to see like the 1240 01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:53.239 sideline action. I watched Terrell Thomas and a couple other players practicing before the 1241 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:57.960 game. And so yeah, like again, this league, this other league 1242 01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:02.239 that quite frankly was very poor on promoting its own product until like the last 1243 01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:05.680 minute and had all of its priorities, maybe in the wrong spots, still 1244 01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:13.560 had a level of notoriety and exposure that got people involved even with how mediocre 1245 01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:15.920 the presentation was sometimes and got people to go to the game. So, 1246 01:17:16.640 --> 01:17:19.479 yes, the XFL can do this, they just have to be willing to 1247 01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:24.800 do it and put it into the certain right spots that, like you said, 1248 01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:27.920 where the people are, where there's people that would be engaged in that 1249 01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:30.920 product, because people will care if you show that you care. A couple 1250 01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:34.520 of notes here and we'll get thoughts on this talking you're giving out the T 1251 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:39.199 shirt. It's not that you know it's hard because you know we're ramping up 1252 01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:41.920 ramping down, so you need to have enough kind of you know, keep 1253 01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:45.520 one or two people need to these markets. Selling South can educate people all 1254 01:17:45.560 --> 01:17:48.119 of that stuff. He says, any significant local event where there's an opportunity 1255 01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:51.359 to market be at it. And every market have some sort of the fan 1256 01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:56.560 event at least every three weeks during the fall season. It's really tough. 1257 01:17:57.720 --> 01:18:01.000 USFL benefits. One of I think they're rare benefits of the later start time 1258 01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:05.840 is we have some breathing room after the NFL NFL is encompassing there. The 1259 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:10.600 last thing here is find ways to make players and coaches more accessible to fans 1260 01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:14.199 during the offseason and during camp. If bogal mini camps are happening, make 1261 01:18:14.279 --> 01:18:18.000 fans aware of it and make it accessible to them. I will say anything 1262 01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:23.319 if I'm if I could channel you know, Danny Redbird, anybody here. 1263 01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:29.680 Anything that you think people don't care about this, they absolutely do. These 1264 01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:32.680 these showcases you have coming up, and I understand, like the Arizona one 1265 01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:36.079 we went it was in like the bubble dome kind of thing in Arizona, 1266 01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:41.760 so that might not be conducive to doing that, but like, just put 1267 01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:45.840 up a barrier fifty yards out let people stand there and take like anything you 1268 01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:50.479 think that they don't the combine, I get, we gotta staff, we 1269 01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:54.880 gotta deal with all that stuff. But fans absolutely, like you are in 1270 01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:59.920 the most diehard of anything fan bases here of people that are watching this stupid 1271 01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:03.199 spring football here, you know, talking ballot Hawks forever. Like anything that 1272 01:19:03.319 --> 01:19:06.560 you're doing, people absolutely want to be there for. It's the same. 1273 01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:10.399 But there's rookie draft next week. Like I kind of thought we would getting 1274 01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:13.680 an email today at some point about this is happening next week, this is 1275 01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:15.920 this is how you can watch or follow along, or this is what's going 1276 01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:19.279 on. Any thoughts on any of those points. No, fans absolutely do 1277 01:19:19.439 --> 01:19:24.439 care, hundred percent agree. I mean again, like there was a fan 1278 01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:27.880 of it for the MLS team that was announced here and we don't even know 1279 01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:30.479 what the team colors of the team name is, Like, we don't know 1280 01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:32.159 the players, we don't couch, we don't know anything. All we know 1281 01:19:32.239 --> 01:19:35.239 is where they're playing and we know the owner. That's it. And yet 1282 01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:38.760 people already showed up and they're showing you this event and they're you know, 1283 01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:41.479 they're running around, they're you know, throwing their hands up and all that, 1284 01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:44.600 and it's like that that shows that people care. And I think that 1285 01:19:44.840 --> 01:19:46.520 you can get that engagement if you are willing to put in the work to 1286 01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:53.039 do it and just putting out anything, anything for people that gravitate towards you 1287 01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:56.000 know, but I don't know, I'll put up a cut of a cardboard 1288 01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:58.199 cutout of day in front of the stadium. I don't care, Like just 1289 01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:00.439 something that like get people, I mean people whilst their minds. When Dwayne 1290 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:04.399 showed up at the Championship game. People have flipping out because he's doing the 1291 01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:08.560 flex scam. People thought that was great, you know, like anything to 1292 01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:12.279 appeal to the than like the people care about that stuff you have and you 1293 01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:15.600 have to understand that. I think, yes, you want to build your 1294 01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:18.359 fan base and you want to be able to build it and cultivate it, 1295 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:23.159 but like you have to also recognize that they're already Again, there are people 1296 01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:25.680 like us who are here from the beginning. There are people who were there 1297 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:30.119 before that started and really got themselves involved in this from the outset that really 1298 01:20:30.199 --> 01:20:33.439 care about the success of the league, the success of the players and the 1299 01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:39.399 coaches build on that focus on that. You have to understand that and hopefully 1300 01:20:39.479 --> 01:20:43.479 that messaging comes across a little bit better in the next season and the season's 1301 01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:46.760 going forward. This is interesting here we're talking about Danny Garcia. I think 1302 01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:50.880 this is a good note. I will say that Danny posted her like I 1303 01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:54.439 can't do this job from an office, like I'm going to be on the 1304 01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:58.039 field, which I've always a tremendous Instagram video. It was like the real 1305 01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:00.720 and she like broke through the wall and then her has been sitting there like 1306 01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:04.439 I thought that was great. Like every single shot of her in the championship 1307 01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:08.159 game, I'm like barely out of frame because I was there, Like we 1308 01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:10.960 did the media scrumbling all that, like they're showing all these kind of I'm 1309 01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:13.560 like, I was right, I was so close to me and like I 1310 01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:15.439 would have died if I would have to have my face in that. But 1311 01:21:15.560 --> 01:21:20.560 it says you're communicate with fans and local residents. Better offer a clear and 1312 01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:26.119 obvious voice for the league and each team that speaks consistently with no distractions. 1313 01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:29.479 Danny is great, But Danny doesn't have time to do with all of her 1314 01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:31.720 like did for the pr and back in twenty twenty. Without that, it's 1315 01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:34.800 difficult for people to keep up with what you know if they aren't dedicated. 1316 01:21:35.359 --> 01:21:39.920 We don't have like presidents of team operations anymore, right, Like we don't 1317 01:21:39.920 --> 01:21:43.720 have the Ryan Gustison's of the world that are like doing our Seattle check ins. 1318 01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:46.279 I thought Russ Brandon was going to kind of be this role. I'm 1319 01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:50.399 talking. I like Russ a lot. He did that, but maybe his 1320 01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:54.079 schedule whatever doesn't. But do you agree with that, Like we need to 1321 01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:57.079 have I love Danny as the owner in the visionary, but we got to 1322 01:21:57.119 --> 01:22:02.520 have someone Danny Light that's doing stuff. I agree one percent. It needs 1323 01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:06.159 to have somebody who's your cheerleader. And I mean, well, The Rock 1324 01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:09.199 is a cheerleader, but he's not going to be able to do all the 1325 01:22:09.279 --> 01:22:12.600 promoting and all the you know, like you got to get people on like 1326 01:22:12.760 --> 01:22:15.840 Radio Row right, you need to get Luck at least, you know, 1327 01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:17.840 was showing up on shows left and right. You know, he showed up 1328 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:21.600 on Coward, He shows up on all these different outlets of like explaining why 1329 01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:27.399 what they're doing and what the purpose is. And I think maybe he can 1330 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:30.359 be get somebody who's a little bit more nuanced in terms of not just using 1331 01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:35.079 the same bullet points that Danny and Dwayne us on every single time, and 1332 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:41.319 maybe have a little bit more fluidity to how you present that message. It's 1333 01:22:41.319 --> 01:22:43.640 not gonna be Russ Brandon. I think Russ Brandon likes to be a little 1334 01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:46.680 bit more behind the scenes. And so can you get somebody else who can 1335 01:22:46.720 --> 01:22:50.239 communicate that, who's at least in a high position of power if Danny and 1336 01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:53.640 The Rock and Russ are not going to do it or do it in a 1337 01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:57.119 way that's more consistent, get somebody else to do it. You need, 1338 01:22:57.279 --> 01:23:00.720 you need that because that way then people are more exposed to it. And 1339 01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:06.359 you know, again seeing Oliver Luck drinking with the beer snake in twenty twenty 1340 01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:11.560 was great because people had already seen this like this man present the league and 1341 01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:14.399 being involved in the league and really be involved with it with the fans, 1342 01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:17.359 and that was something that people could really connect to. You need to have 1343 01:23:17.520 --> 01:23:20.239 more of that, And I think if you're going to do that, then 1344 01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:23.479 at least get somebody who's going to be able to put in the work and 1345 01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:27.880 presenting that idea and that product. I mean, I know someone like in 1346 01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:30.479 UFC. You know Dana White. Say what you want about him. He 1347 01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:32.439 gets out there and he brings his product all the time. He is very 1348 01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:36.560 vocal about it all the time, constantly, he's everywhere, And you need 1349 01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:40.760 people like that if you're going to try and build up your entity and your 1350 01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:45.720 product. Because and it's not that I don't want Danny and The Rock to 1351 01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:48.119 do it. I just I understand that we have eighteen hundred different things we're 1352 01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:51.359 trying to operate it as you know, The Rock, you know, I'm 1353 01:23:51.399 --> 01:23:55.640 off doing Hobbs now and I'm off. I've got Milana and we're doing like 1354 01:23:55.920 --> 01:24:00.399 I you know, a death the XFL. We've talked about this can't be 1355 01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:03.319 a seasonal business and you can't you know the wrong Okay, I'm you know, 1356 01:24:03.479 --> 01:24:06.600 April whatever, Like I'm off now and I'll be about seeing. I'll 1357 01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:09.800 see in December, like we'll be back on the clock. And I know 1358 01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:12.920 he had his tweet this week about like the health and safety and you know, 1359 01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:15.760 promoting that kind of all the good work that they did. But you 1360 01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:17.760 have to I don't know what it is. It needs to be someone high 1361 01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:23.359 profile enough that like if you book them on like fallon or whatever, it's 1362 01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:25.640 a big deal. Like I don't know, I think the USFL could have 1363 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:29.239 benefited from, Like let's can we bring Doug Flutie in on the retainer? 1364 01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:31.079 Like can we send him out? Can we can he do some like late 1365 01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:34.960 night shows? I don't know. You know, you need someone, you 1366 01:24:35.079 --> 01:24:38.319 guys, like we need to get like a B list, you know, 1367 01:24:38.680 --> 01:24:43.279 um, someone that can be on this or someone Dan this is the spokespersonnel. 1368 01:24:43.399 --> 01:24:45.960 He was the one that had the the the quote last week when all 1369 01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:48.640 the layoffs happened, Like I don't think that's the right idea, but we 1370 01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:51.920 need to have someone that can do some more public facing stuff. I agree 1371 01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:57.359 that somebody who can just who has enough clout, who can be able to 1372 01:24:57.439 --> 01:25:00.039 talk about it right, Um, And like, even if the Rocks showed 1373 01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:01.960 up at one of these talk shows, I don't think he's going to talk 1374 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:05.079 about the XFL if I'm gonna be honest, I think he's going to talk 1375 01:25:05.079 --> 01:25:09.199 about other things that a wider audience cares about, if I'm just gonna be 1376 01:25:09.239 --> 01:25:14.039 honest. So with that said, then yeah, maybe you have to find 1377 01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:17.439 either I mean either one of either Danny has to drop all of her stuff 1378 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:23.079 or you have to get somebody else involved that has enough clout and maybe bring 1379 01:25:23.159 --> 01:25:27.279 in another part owner of the league. I'm not sure who that who that 1380 01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:31.039 would be exactly, but just there's got to be some more synergy here as 1381 01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:34.479 far as what person comes in and is able to present the product in a 1382 01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:38.720 more consistent fashion and is able to like tell people about what's going on, 1383 01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:43.640 and maybe before the season starts or you know, get more appearances on ESPN. 1384 01:25:43.680 --> 01:25:45.720 Again, ESPN programming is going to be you know, moving along like 1385 01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:48.800 clockwork and going on in the next thing, So can you get people that 1386 01:25:48.920 --> 01:25:51.159 like kind of keep him evolved to be like, hey, remember we have 1387 01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:56.000 this league by the way that we repromote and that we're broadcasting every spring, 1388 01:25:56.079 --> 01:25:58.520 so just letting you know this is the person's going to talk about it. 1389 01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:01.199 You got to have more stuff like that too, And we talked about that 1390 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:04.119 as well, like promoting. I mean, they've done a good job with 1391 01:26:04.199 --> 01:26:08.039 the signings and stuff, but like, can we get can we get some 1392 01:26:08.159 --> 01:26:11.199 interviews with even those guys like Josh I'm there with, you know, like 1393 01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:15.039 Darrish Shepherd and and I understand and I don't know what contracts like that, 1394 01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:18.000 like once you go under contract with you know where Darius signed that, we 1395 01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:20.159 see what the Chargers? Is he the one that went to the Chargers? 1396 01:26:20.319 --> 01:26:23.840 Yes, Darius Shepherd with the sign of the Chargers, So like I don't 1397 01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:26.279 know them, Like, okay, can we not do that because we gotta 1398 01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:29.399 deal with chargers pr and stuff like I don't I don't know how that works, 1399 01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:31.720 but it would be great if there was a way, like can Josh 1400 01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:34.239 or whoever, can we get five minutes to just talk and like what does 1401 01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:39.199 this opportunity mean? Just things like that. Uh it says here, Uh, 1402 01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:44.800 the collective boys and EXCENL fans and local residents are quite smart, even 1403 01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:46.199 if many of them have bad takes. Take a page out of what was 1404 01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:50.600 done with Redbirds other stops and to lose where there was a disconnection between ownership, 1405 01:26:50.640 --> 01:26:54.680 but the community just like there is here and get to know what EXCEL 1406 01:26:54.760 --> 01:26:59.159 fans want and continue to is them just a couple? Oh? Do you 1407 01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:00.439 agree with that? You agree that there seems to be a little bit of 1408 01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:05.479 a disconnect XFL ownership and what the XL fans, but the XL ownership things 1409 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:10.960 fans want, what the fans want. Slightly, I think it's more of 1410 01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:14.359 again, just not devoting the resources that the fans expected from the first time 1411 01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:19.399 around. But I think there was a lot more listening than there was interactivity 1412 01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:23.800 between the two sides this season, and I think there was a lot more 1413 01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:30.800 the XVEL trying to accumulate information and trying to understand what exactly it is that 1414 01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:34.560 the fans are trying to gravitate towards and what they're looking at, media members, 1415 01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:39.279 what they're trying to do, broadcasting crews, what they're trying to do, 1416 01:27:40.039 --> 01:27:43.880 trying to just get as much information as possible without trying to overstep their 1417 01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:47.079 boundary. So, yes, there was a bit of disconnect in terms of 1418 01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:51.840 that a level of familiarity. But I think in a way, in a 1419 01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:55.479 weird analogy, I feel like it was like kind of like dating, Like 1420 01:27:56.039 --> 01:27:59.840 the league was trying to redate its fans and think, Okay, is this 1421 01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:02.079 like a long term proposition? Is the kind of people that we want to 1422 01:28:02.119 --> 01:28:04.680 have around for a long time, and like what do they want? Like 1423 01:28:04.880 --> 01:28:08.960 what's just what's their expectations? Kind of felt like that a little bit, 1424 01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:13.880 And so I wouldn't say like it's an intentional disconnect. I think it was 1425 01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:17.000 just more of feeling each other out in a way. The parties were trying 1426 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:19.000 to figure out, Okay, what are you about, what are you doing, 1427 01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:24.000 what's your goal, what's your set? And if they can figure that 1428 01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:27.079 out and come to an agreement on that in the future, then that's great. 1429 01:28:27.479 --> 01:28:30.239 That's I think that's more of what it was about, rather than an 1430 01:28:30.319 --> 01:28:38.960 intentional or just very uncohesive relationship between the two. I think so too. 1431 01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:41.840 I agree with you. I think there's a slight disconnect. I think I 1432 01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:45.319 would love to give truth sirum to you know the eight, you know Danny 1433 01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:47.119 and the Rock and you know Russ and never like to get the eight. 1434 01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:51.359 Like, what really were your expectations coming into this year? Because I have 1435 01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:57.399 a feeling that although like, okay, we succeeded metrics and all that, 1436 01:28:57.560 --> 01:28:59.560 I do, you know, I don't think this is a failure. I 1437 01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:01.319 mean, I think we've done a tremendous job. But I've given them compliments, 1438 01:29:01.399 --> 01:29:05.560 like I think even if you take L twenty away, like this is 1439 01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:11.640 tremendous in the first year league and successes across the board. But I think 1440 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:15.840 they probably thought we're going to get a little bit more exposure outside, you 1441 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:19.600 know, in more mainstream or more traditional things that maybe we got. And 1442 01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:23.760 you know when the Rock has Zoah come out and everything picks it up and 1443 01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:27.199 it's in Vanity Fair and it's in vogue and it's like whatever, all these 1444 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:32.199 different things and the X of bel is a really niche, really really niche. 1445 01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:35.800 It's really niche. We're building that, we're working towards that, but 1446 01:29:35.960 --> 01:29:42.119 you know, I just I'm curious what the expectations were for that and if 1447 01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:44.520 we're going to reevaluate that. I don't think, like you said, it 1448 01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:46.640 wasn't that they weren't listening. I think they were listening a lot. I 1449 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:49.520 think we're working through that now and trying to figure out what works and what 1450 01:29:49.640 --> 01:29:53.760 didn't work. But yeah, I don't think the disconnect was intentional. I 1451 01:29:53.840 --> 01:29:57.760 think it was more just maybe we you know, we're not going to be 1452 01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:00.119 a top four or five sport, you know, but we're going to be 1453 01:30:00.239 --> 01:30:02.279 like top you know, five and a half. And I think it's a 1454 01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:05.000 wind No, it's like top twelve or whatever right now. You know, 1455 01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:10.159 it's it's like we're you got to work your way up here. Yeah, 1456 01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:15.319 no, I agree, And I that it is interesting to think about what 1457 01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:20.159 the original expectations were from the outset of the buying of the league. And 1458 01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:23.199 again, that was such a different era, right, we wouldn't know, 1459 01:30:24.399 --> 01:30:26.439 I mean, we didn't know if we were going to have fans ever again 1460 01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:30.279 at that point when they bought the league. So at that point, it 1461 01:30:30.439 --> 01:30:33.800 was such experimentation as far as what's going to happen going forward, what is 1462 01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:39.239 horror sports going to look like going forward, what's our relationship with the CFL 1463 01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:44.760 going to be? There was so much nebulous uncertainty with so many things. 1464 01:30:44.880 --> 01:30:48.720 But now kind of looking at it, it's obvious to be that there wasn't 1465 01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:54.239 maybe as much homework done on maybe the previous league and as far as what 1466 01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:57.640 fans wanted, like again the beer snake, you know, there wasn't really 1467 01:30:57.760 --> 01:31:01.039 much familiarity with that on their end, and some of the traditions, and 1468 01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:04.560 I know they weren't very long traditions, but they were traditions. Donetheless that 1469 01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:11.319 we're being established by those fan bases from those eight teams before, So maybe 1470 01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:15.399 there wasn't as much homework or a much diligence that was done in that respect. 1471 01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:17.399 It was more about like the financial aspects of owning the league and what 1472 01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:20.119 was going to be done with it. And I understand that part. You 1473 01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:25.479 know, again this is coming from a very business minded aspect with Danny and 1474 01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:30.439 the Rock and Redwood Capital, and if you're going to survive for a long 1475 01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:32.279 term, that's what it's going to have to be. But you got to 1476 01:31:32.319 --> 01:31:39.479 balance it with research and with understanding of what exactly the people want, because 1477 01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:43.359 if you understand what they want and you give them what they want, that's 1478 01:31:43.399 --> 01:31:45.920 going to help you a lot more in terms of sustainability, not just trying 1479 01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:51.479 to generate revenue, because fans are the lifeblood of any league and have any 1480 01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:57.039 entity, and if you don't have them on your side, you're not going 1481 01:31:57.079 --> 01:32:00.119 anywhere. John says, let's be thankful. We're We're thankful, John, 1482 01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:02.800 We're thankful. But this is this is the exercise today. This is where 1483 01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:05.479 we're doing our homework. We're doing our exercise there. I want to say, 1484 01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:10.560 Andy, when you're talking about, you know, the potentially XFL ownership, 1485 01:32:10.680 --> 01:32:13.479 not knowing about the beer steak, you wouldn't be gatekeeping, would you. 1486 01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:15.359 We're not doing any gate keeping over here. Yeah, it could be 1487 01:32:15.479 --> 01:32:20.560 if I really wanted to, I could No. I no, no, 1488 01:32:20.680 --> 01:32:26.399 no, because I no. But you know it's uh. We don't have 1489 01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:29.399 as long as a history as the x as the CFL here, but the 1490 01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:31.319 XCEL does have some mature last thing on this, and we have some action 1491 01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:33.720 points moving forward. I think we'll be good time here with the two. 1492 01:32:34.600 --> 01:32:39.039 Furthermore discussed with fans would they want to hear from a broadcast. We've talked 1493 01:32:39.079 --> 01:32:43.520 a little bit about the broadcast. Stop making a broadcast based on what own 1494 01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:46.439 on what on an ownership vision, and start making it based on what fans 1495 01:32:46.560 --> 01:32:49.840 watching these games actually want to hear. So they don't want to hear about 1496 01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:53.720 X Y player trying to make it to the NFL. They want to hear 1497 01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:57.680 about play schemes and storylines of the game. Max would also looking, I 1498 01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:01.560 would agree some of the broadcasting duos maybe get a little bit more homework than 1499 01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:04.119 others. Like I said, I'm friends with every single person I've had at 1500 01:33:04.119 --> 01:33:08.680 the ESPN as we're grant on this show, but anything else from the broadcast 1501 01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:12.880 narrative or the booth before we move on, No, I agree there needs 1502 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:15.680 to be more emphasis on the individual stories. I mean, like, you 1503 01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:18.239 never hear about that at all in the USFL or the CFL. You hear 1504 01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:21.960 only about the storylines of the players, where they came from, why they 1505 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:29.680 do this, and how they got here sometimes and maybe what their skill set 1506 01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:32.760 is, and really focusing more on that than just talking about like, oh, 1507 01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:35.039 well, here's where they're gonna go next. No one really talks about 1508 01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:38.960 that. I don't even think the CFL broadcast ever mentioned that once. With 1509 01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:42.680 Rourke, even in the middle of his renaissance last year. That wasn't something 1510 01:33:42.760 --> 01:33:45.119 they ever brought up, right, They were like, okayn't wait to see 1511 01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:47.640 him play, you know, a third string for you know, the Oakland 1512 01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:50.479 Raiders or somebody next year hopefully, and the like. They never talked about 1513 01:33:50.640 --> 01:33:54.399 or sorry, the Las Vegas Raiders, that's what we're gonna die. But 1514 01:33:54.640 --> 01:34:00.720 they they they are never going to like bring that up out of their own 1515 01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:03.840 volition. Whereas the XFL left and right was just talking about you know, 1516 01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:08.800 we have our example on our notes here, but I already vividly remember it 1517 01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:12.680 is Luke Barkou, that quarterback for the Brahmas. They kept just going over 1518 01:34:12.760 --> 01:34:15.359 and over and over again saying like, oh, if he defends Josh Gordon, 1519 01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:17.319 he's going back to the NFL. Okay, we get to understand again, 1520 01:34:17.520 --> 01:34:21.960 what as I saying earlier in this broadcast. You can do things but 1521 01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:26.039 maybe not have to say them all the time. You can show it without 1522 01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:30.319 having to speak it right, and your audience can understand that. You understand. 1523 01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:32.680 MLS fans aren't going on about like, boy, it would really suck 1524 01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:35.760 if we lost some of these players to another club for a little more money. 1525 01:34:35.880 --> 01:34:40.000 Like they know, if somebody improves enough, they're gonna move on somewhere 1526 01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:43.119 else like that. The soccer that happens all the time. That's not something 1527 01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:45.960 that people, you know, flip out about and be like trying to say, 1528 01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:49.479 you don't have to pound that message into people's heads. So you don't 1529 01:34:49.479 --> 01:34:53.640 have to do the same thing here either. I think maybe I think ESPN 1530 01:34:53.720 --> 01:34:56.479 one thing I'll say the last is ESPN maybe takes a little bit too much 1531 01:34:56.520 --> 01:34:59.560 from the college aspect. Yes, we know the college players are gonna move 1532 01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:00.640 on, like it's obvious. They still say they're like, you know, 1533 01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:03.600 we're going to see this guy play on Sundays. Okay, fine, that's 1534 01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:08.760 that's that's fine presenting it that way. But with the x L there doesn't 1535 01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:11.960 need to be that same messaging. I agree with that. And I as 1536 01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:15.079 someone that lived through the Nathan Rock experiment. So a few people haven't followed 1537 01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:17.039 the CFL. You know, Nathan Work, Canadian player, you know, 1538 01:35:17.159 --> 01:35:20.680 came back started from the bc Lions, played the greatest, you know, 1539 01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:24.560 probably one of the greatest single seasons ever in the history of the CFL, 1540 01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:28.039 got injured. Now he's with the Jaguar, is probably going to be the 1541 01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:31.439 third you know, third string quarterback there. Uh it was I think week 1542 01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:34.880 two, Oh my god, Oh my god, oh you know, and 1543 01:35:35.039 --> 01:35:39.840 it just that was the media landscape the rest of the season until Nathan got 1544 01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:42.479 hurt, was He's gonna go the NFL and can't you believe this? And 1545 01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:45.319 people care about the CFL now because they Nathan. It didn't like it got 1546 01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:48.000 so tired, like can I can we just watch the games? Can we 1547 01:35:48.079 --> 01:35:51.720 just enjoy the games? Wolder here? Like it's such a distraction trying to 1548 01:35:51.760 --> 01:35:56.840 watch the game and knowing like, yeah, Ben da Nucci probably isn't going 1549 01:35:56.920 --> 01:36:00.239 to be the CLC Dragon's quarterback next year. Like I understand that, but 1550 01:36:00.520 --> 01:36:02.760 I don't need to know that every single second that I'm watching these games. 1551 01:36:02.960 --> 01:36:06.800 Oh yeah, Ben, and when he gets in. I think there's a 1552 01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:11.000 balance. I think that again, this was the talking points this year. 1553 01:36:11.039 --> 01:36:14.199 I think we need to like, you know, develop the talking points further 1554 01:36:14.279 --> 01:36:16.279 with the XVl outside the player fifty four. All right, we have our 1555 01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:19.119 action items here and then we're gonna get out of here. Then we did 1556 01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:21.359 good. We did good. This wasn't a scary I thought it was going 1557 01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:26.600 to be, so I appreciate everyone's sticking around here. This is particular changes 1558 01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:30.319 for next season and beyond number one, we need to do a better job 1559 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:35.000 with sports betting and fantasy communications. We've talked about this transparency. Do a 1560 01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:41.920 better job sharing the hard information about football on leagues social and publicly archiving on 1561 01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:45.680 the league's websites, inactive lists, injury reports, depth charts, etc. 1562 01:36:45.680 --> 01:36:50.079 Get a real fantasy football partner. Why not ESPN. We've talked about transparency 1563 01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:54.359 all of that. I mean, I'm happy to gain followers sharing out depth 1564 01:36:54.439 --> 01:36:58.560 charts and stuff like that. USFL now they'll tweet them out from their main 1565 01:36:58.760 --> 01:37:00.399 one. CFL the teams do it. What do you want to see the 1566 01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:04.960 XFL do? Yeah, that is bizarre that ESPN does not do fantasy on 1567 01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:08.840 their own app, considering that they broadcast the league. That is a little 1568 01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:12.520 strange, isn't it, especially if they're getting all this information anyways. And 1569 01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:15.720 yeah, as far as sharing reports, one of the things I have to 1570 01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:19.880 give the ESFL credit for is that they post those reports, those inactive reports 1571 01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:24.039 consistently on their Twitter page. So like and the player movement too, of 1572 01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:28.800 people who are put on the suspense of the inactive lists, like that needs 1573 01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:31.039 to be more consistent, and that has to be something the XFL absolutely needs 1574 01:37:31.079 --> 01:37:33.840 to do more of if people need to have that information, if they're gonna 1575 01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:38.720 make like lineup changes, or if they're gonna understand all right, well, 1576 01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:41.880 all this guy's probably not going to play. He hasn't practiced all week. 1577 01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:44.359 I'm not going to risk it, right, you know, you make those 1578 01:37:44.479 --> 01:37:48.239 kind of educated decisions like you do with your NFL rosters. So for this 1579 01:37:48.439 --> 01:37:53.159 case, yeah, I want to see maybe a partnership with DraftKings or somebody 1580 01:37:53.239 --> 01:37:58.239 who can have more fantasy fan duel or somebody who at least you can say, 1581 01:37:58.319 --> 01:38:00.439 hey, we'll give you the proper information so you're not left in the 1582 01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:04.199 dark. And then here's the information that's going to be put out to our 1583 01:38:04.279 --> 01:38:09.239 fans and they can make their you know, their educated guests as far as 1584 01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:12.000 like what's going to happen or what they think is going to happen, and 1585 01:38:12.119 --> 01:38:15.000 then you can go from there. That needs to be done more so and 1586 01:38:15.079 --> 01:38:18.720 that that engagement is going to be so much more crucial for people who really 1587 01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:21.760 want to be involved than you know, people might want to watch the games. 1588 01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:25.439 Right, so, because people start to go on it, because people 1589 01:38:25.439 --> 01:38:27.479 always want to bet. People are going to bet all the time. And 1590 01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:30.520 if you start to have things that like you realize, oh I have this 1591 01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:32.600 player or this you know, this team maybe I'm betting on. Okay, 1592 01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:35.199 well I want to kind of check out some of their games. That's great, 1593 01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:40.760 awesome, then you can really work on that. And so that's kind 1594 01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:42.880 of what I agree with too. I agree with the ESPN point. I 1595 01:38:42.920 --> 01:38:47.159 agree with making a partnership with a betting book. It's good what I feel 1596 01:38:47.199 --> 01:38:51.640 like with in the USFL too, with these spring leagues when they talk about 1597 01:38:51.800 --> 01:38:56.840 fantasy sports, betting all this stuff, and I I know nothing about any 1598 01:38:56.880 --> 01:39:00.239 of this, but I have brought on either Eric Eager and you know, 1599 01:39:00.399 --> 01:39:04.920 Justin Freeman and get to run the sims guys all Like it feels like when 1600 01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:09.119 I used to work in news, and you know, because famously I was 1601 01:39:09.279 --> 01:39:12.560 verified on Twitter before you know, Elon came in and ruined the world. 1602 01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:15.479 But when I word to qute thirteen, they go, all right, you're 1603 01:39:15.479 --> 01:39:18.760 we're getting everybody here iPhones. You have to install Twitter and you need to 1604 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:21.640 go out and you need to tweet, you know when you're out covering news. 1605 01:39:21.680 --> 01:39:25.199 And so we go out like I gotta do this, they say, 1606 01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:27.119 we say, we got Like what the hell? Okay, we go out, 1607 01:39:27.119 --> 01:39:29.520 Okay, car accident, okay, whatever, like we have to do. 1608 01:39:29.640 --> 01:39:32.319 This feels like with with the same with XFL and USFL, like they 1609 01:39:32.399 --> 01:39:34.960 know in their head like okay, we have to talk about this, like 1610 01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:39.439 this is such a big thing, like like but we don't know and I 1611 01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:45.279 don't understand why you don't get any of these guys at Mark Drumheller that works 1612 01:39:45.319 --> 01:39:47.439 for y'all who sports, Like this is okay, this isn't like if you 1613 01:39:47.479 --> 01:39:49.680 don't want to deal with like run the sims or one of these, like 1614 01:39:50.039 --> 01:39:53.199 I think they're all legit, but you know, if you don't want to 1615 01:39:53.239 --> 01:39:56.239 do if you're the XFL, like we don't have a partner Mark works for 1616 01:39:56.399 --> 01:40:00.079 yah who sports? Mark? Can you come in here? Can you do 1617 01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:02.159 a six minute? You know? I know Stormy does it a little bit. 1618 01:40:02.199 --> 01:40:06.079 I think Stormy is better doing the interviews like can you actually talk about 1619 01:40:06.199 --> 01:40:10.199 like the fantasy lineups here and what's going on? Can you actually talk about 1620 01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:14.159 the betting odds? Like again, keep Stormy. Stormy is great. Utilize 1621 01:40:14.199 --> 01:40:16.479 that different bringing someone that's all they do is do this and figure out what 1622 01:40:16.640 --> 01:40:20.159 the hell we're supposed to talk about. Because I'm tired of Ian Fitzimmons standing 1623 01:40:20.239 --> 01:40:25.359 on the sidelines at Cashman Field holding his over under ticket and cheering that the 1624 01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:30.039 team missed the field goal because they preserved his under, Like I don't know 1625 01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:35.199 of it. Like people that really care about sports betting aren't really giving as 1626 01:40:35.319 --> 01:40:39.520 about the over under there. They're betting like they're playing fantasy and they have 1627 01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:42.399 our lineups and all that stuff, like that's the most basic thing. And 1628 01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:45.600 I almost think it's insulting the people that really want to pay fantasy to play 1629 01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:48.479 fantasy when you have people like Ian, Oh, got'm my under here, 1630 01:40:48.600 --> 01:40:53.760 like I'm sorr like that, that's like level one of a thousand and sports 1631 01:40:53.840 --> 01:40:58.479 betting like you're that's you're catering to. You're almost dumbing down to the people 1632 01:40:58.520 --> 01:41:00.640 that actually want to pay your product play with your product. At that point. 1633 01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:03.760 Yeah, it feels so vaudeville in a way, you know, like 1634 01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:08.399 this really old style of like you know, go the horse races and be 1635 01:41:08.479 --> 01:41:11.439 like I bet on you know, the horse named Lucky Shoe. I don't 1636 01:41:11.479 --> 01:41:15.119 know, something like that's good. Yeah, yeah, guys, that's exactly 1637 01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:19.039 what it sounds like. So I agree with you. I don't understand why 1638 01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:23.760 there's not a designated person that comes in just talks about betting lines they have. 1639 01:41:24.079 --> 01:41:28.079 Networks are getting that all the time. Fox has that with the like 1640 01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:31.560 the USFL. Fox is getting that with the USFL they're doing. They there 1641 01:41:31.640 --> 01:41:34.479 was a guy who's they had I can't remember his name, but they presented 1642 01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:38.359 it last week where he gave like, oh, here's the you know, 1643 01:41:38.399 --> 01:41:42.439 the overunder I'm looking at. This is why he's the the spread I'm looking 1644 01:41:42.479 --> 01:41:45.119 at for this reason. He gives us fix and he's out like that's cool. 1645 01:41:45.359 --> 01:41:48.800 That's that was like a you know, one minute spot. They don't 1646 01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:54.880 need really much emphasis on those kinds of things, uh like all the time, 1647 01:41:55.000 --> 01:41:58.640 but at least get people involved in terms of like having a guy who 1648 01:41:58.720 --> 01:42:00.800 knows about this stuff and as they to explain it to the audience, a 1649 01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:03.359 little bit of fantasy here, a little bit of fantasy there, you know, 1650 01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:06.399 get more of that involved, because if you don't talk about that, 1651 01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:10.199 people aren't going to be engaged in that part of your product, and that 1652 01:42:10.279 --> 01:42:13.600 disengages them from it overall. So you need to get somebody who can talk 1653 01:42:13.640 --> 01:42:17.359 about that on these shows. I mean the XFL preview show that you've you've 1654 01:42:17.479 --> 01:42:20.279 you've highlighted like they need to do more of that on there too or so 1655 01:42:20.680 --> 01:42:25.359 somewhere anywhere then thinking get somebody that more involved and be able to explain those 1656 01:42:25.439 --> 01:42:30.840 things also currently and again, because this is the things we can build too. 1657 01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:33.279 I think we need to generate more sports betting and gambling and fantasy. 1658 01:42:33.800 --> 01:42:39.000 I bet you right now there are far fewer people actually doing this than the 1659 01:42:39.159 --> 01:42:42.479 XFL things because, like I'll talk with who is in it was the guy 1660 01:42:42.680 --> 01:42:45.760 from Run the sims on two weeks ago, the Ferbie guy Ferby, and 1661 01:42:45.920 --> 01:42:48.319 I'm like, like, how's this going? He goes, well, you 1662 01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:53.079 know, like week one, you know, it was pretty hot and the 1663 01:42:53.159 --> 01:42:55.399 pot free, Like we're talking to USFL and the pot was like a one 1664 01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:58.279 hundred thousand. You could go on and win your part pot of like one 1665 01:42:58.359 --> 01:43:02.079 hundred thousand, right if you're playing whatever DFS or whatever on this site last 1666 01:43:02.119 --> 01:43:04.760 week or whatever, it was like a thousand dollars. Because it just wasn't 1667 01:43:04.880 --> 01:43:09.279 enough to like what we're not gonna We're not you can't give that, you 1668 01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:12.720 know, we gotta figure out how to do this, Like if you're gonna 1669 01:43:12.800 --> 01:43:15.439 do fantasy really do it. But otherwise, talking to at nauseum about all 1670 01:43:15.479 --> 01:43:19.079 of the over and unders, there are not that many people doing it currently, 1671 01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:21.720 and I don't think that they realize that. Like, I think there's 1672 01:43:21.720 --> 01:43:25.479 either a disconnect, like we either need to ignore it because no one's doing 1673 01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:28.199 it, or we need to build into it and do a better job not 1674 01:43:28.319 --> 01:43:30.560 insulting the people that they're doing it. I think they need to build into 1675 01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:33.600 it. I really do think there are people that are engaged with it and 1676 01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:38.479 want to be engaged with it. Like again, trying to do it rogue. 1677 01:43:38.520 --> 01:43:41.760 It's just really tough. I look, I love that Mike Mitchell has 1678 01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:44.680 his team and he talks about you know, he comes out and he goes 1679 01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:45.960 like, oh, I'm really glad that Alonsomore is doing really well, and 1680 01:43:46.319 --> 01:43:49.319 you know, I'm happy for him. I'm glad that he needs to getting 1681 01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:53.279 those points. But Mike can't be the only one doing max. You know, 1682 01:43:53.319 --> 01:43:55.359 I can't just be this inner circle of people who are doing this. 1683 01:43:55.479 --> 01:44:00.319 You need to capitalize on this interest of people who can actually get involved in 1684 01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:02.560 the product. The CFL needs to keep doing a better job of that too. 1685 01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:05.239 By the way, they need they need to push their chips in more 1686 01:44:05.279 --> 01:44:09.039 on the table on that, because like you have the infrastructure to do it, 1687 01:44:09.239 --> 01:44:12.520 you have the players. You need to be able to give people reasons 1688 01:44:12.600 --> 01:44:15.399 to put more into that. And I know it's kind of a slower build 1689 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:19.960 for them with the Genius Sports and PFF and getting more information out there, 1690 01:44:20.199 --> 01:44:24.119 but they have to be able to push that button too, because again, 1691 01:44:24.239 --> 01:44:27.079 people want to do that. There are people who want to do that all 1692 01:44:27.199 --> 01:44:31.439 the time. Who there are people whose lifestyles revolve around that. Scott Diggerson, 1693 01:44:31.560 --> 01:44:34.640 if I can't remember its earlier in the chatt he said, you know 1694 01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:39.319 the XFL needs to work with Genius Sports. No, No, that's CFLs 1695 01:44:39.399 --> 01:44:42.600 move that's cf CFL and they're working with Genius Sports. We got all this 1696 01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:45.800 going on here. We have a lot of time about Vegas here. I 1697 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:48.399 don't want to dive t you deep into that because I mean, obviously people 1698 01:44:48.399 --> 01:44:53.319 are unhappy with that. But I think moving forward, I think the XFL 1699 01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:57.000 and maxis in here, they need to do far more research about what markets 1700 01:44:57.039 --> 01:45:00.159 it stands, will work for spring football, Like going into Vegas. It's 1701 01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:04.199 not necessarily having a plan there there orlanda thing we've talked about the camping world, 1702 01:45:04.279 --> 01:45:08.399 but then they can't play at the MLS stadium there or whatever like in 1703 01:45:08.600 --> 01:45:11.520 terms of market research, and you know, this is a conversation. I'm 1704 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.960 sure we'll talk XFL expansion here, you know, for years to come. 1705 01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:20.319 But any other thoughts on picking markets. I mean, again, I don't 1706 01:45:20.359 --> 01:45:25.720 know if there's going to really be any shifting of markets at this juncture because 1707 01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:29.760 they're still just trying to establish themselves in the markets that they're already in and 1708 01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:32.920 as far as Vegas goes, look, I mean, there's a lot to 1709 01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:36.319 be talked about here, especially with the fact that obviously the entire sales team 1710 01:45:36.319 --> 01:45:41.520 has gone. Now you've only had sixteen six thousand people really on average coming 1711 01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:45.760 to your games, and the location is not great. You're not getting a 1712 01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:48.039 new stadium now because you're not getting an MLS team, so you're not going 1713 01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:51.640 to have that venue to really work off of. So what's your alternative strategy? 1714 01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:57.680 My thing is like I would really try to appeal to people who one, 1715 01:45:57.760 --> 01:45:59.600 I think you need to fix up the field a little bit. That 1716 01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:03.359 goes with out saying, but to appeal to people who can spend money on 1717 01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:08.199 a product that's good and it's not extortionist price. Let me tell you something. 1718 01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:12.359 Read, I just got tickets last night. I have a bachelor party 1719 01:46:12.359 --> 01:46:16.119 that I'm going to with my friends to Vegas. Because he is a huge 1720 01:46:16.159 --> 01:46:19.039 Raiders fan, he wants to go to a game. We decided we're going 1721 01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:24.239 to a preseason game, just a preseason game in August. You know how 1722 01:46:24.319 --> 01:46:27.119 much the ticket cost for me, just me alone, to go to a 1723 01:46:27.199 --> 01:46:31.640 preseason game in Vegas the Raiders. It costs one hundred and seventy one dollars 1724 01:46:32.039 --> 01:46:38.479 for a preseason games. Extortionist price. And I can't believe that the XFL 1725 01:46:38.560 --> 01:46:41.680 doesn't appeal to that market more, being like, look how affordable we are 1726 01:46:42.079 --> 01:46:45.279 for this product compared to everybody else in college. You know, there's colleges 1727 01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:49.279 that spend, you know, spend more money on tickets than the XFL. 1728 01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:55.479 And the NFL obviously just has like just flowing out of the pocketbooks. You 1729 01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:57.600 have to be able to appeal to that crowd and just be able to do 1730 01:46:57.720 --> 01:47:00.479 that, but you can't also do this thing. I don't think the USFL 1731 01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:02.399 strategy really works either of the like, oh, we got one dollar one 1732 01:47:02.600 --> 01:47:05.119 you know, one dollar soda and one dollar, you know corn dogs, 1733 01:47:05.159 --> 01:47:10.760 Like that's devalues too much. That is yeah, right, so you got 1734 01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:12.600 to be able to at least keep it at a fair price, but at 1735 01:47:12.640 --> 01:47:15.399 least a reasonable enough to say like, hey, look, this is accompatable 1736 01:47:15.720 --> 01:47:17.960 for people, Like because here's the thing, here's the psychology for people. 1737 01:47:18.079 --> 01:47:24.520 If you don't if you spend money on something that's really not that's can be 1738 01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:28.359 a sunk cost where it's just not that much. If you don't end up 1739 01:47:28.399 --> 01:47:30.000 going to the game and it's not worth it, then you've kind of lost 1740 01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:32.560 the interests, right, you need to at least give it to a fair 1741 01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:34.800 amount of price where it's like, Okay, I've spent a decent amount of 1742 01:47:34.800 --> 01:47:38.399 money on this, I'm not going to just skip out on this. Whereas 1743 01:47:38.800 --> 01:47:41.479 if you devalue it too much, then it's just like, well, I 1744 01:47:41.560 --> 01:47:44.479 only spend ten dollars and I don't really feel like going today because I don't 1745 01:47:44.479 --> 01:47:46.600 know, I got some shopping to do. Like that's that's just the psychology 1746 01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:49.399 of people sometimes, right, that just happens. You know, you have 1747 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:53.720 to be careful about how much something is really worth to somebody, but again, 1748 01:47:54.199 --> 01:47:57.199 at least points to something and say like, hey, look, you 1749 01:47:57.279 --> 01:48:00.279 don't have to spend this much money on this thing, right, you know, 1750 01:48:00.640 --> 01:48:02.800 let's be real that game I'm going to that preseason game, I'm probably 1751 01:48:02.840 --> 01:48:06.039 gonna see a bunch of like old football leaking players playing that game like OUs, 1752 01:48:06.359 --> 01:48:09.960 like maybe a CFL player trying to make the roster an X ball player 1753 01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:12.960 or USFL player. It's gonna be kind of funny, actually ironic in hindsight 1754 01:48:13.039 --> 01:48:15.439 and seeing that, you know, people that that I would have seen just 1755 01:48:15.640 --> 01:48:19.520 months earlier for a much cheaper price. So maybe appeal to that too. 1756 01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:24.680 I've saying, for nine more dollars, you could come see the trilogy with 1757 01:48:24.800 --> 01:48:28.239 him, Rega Laziest, Ricky Martin and Piple. There I hear a coming. 1758 01:48:28.279 --> 01:48:31.439 Pus No, I get what you're saying. And it's the us VELA 1759 01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:36.600 is at that point now where it and the CFL the CFL two things. 1760 01:48:36.680 --> 01:48:41.640 The CFLs at the point where their season tickets are not It is that like 1761 01:48:41.760 --> 01:48:44.319 stunt costs were last night in the Calgary game, I think they have like 1762 01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:47.199 seventeen thousand whatever. It was the record low lowest ever since the turn of 1763 01:48:47.279 --> 01:48:51.199 the century for all game. Because you get these people that Yeah, I'm 1764 01:48:51.239 --> 01:48:54.840 just not going to go to the game, like it's a Thursday. I 1765 01:48:55.159 --> 01:48:57.720 ate too much, I'm full, I'm tired, whatever, I don't want 1766 01:48:57.720 --> 01:49:00.760 to go. USVEL is the same way too, Like get a dollar, 1767 01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:02.439 hot dog, get the thing, like tell me no, when is coming 1768 01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:06.479 to your game? More like please? But yet we don't care about attendance. 1769 01:49:06.600 --> 01:49:10.920 But yet all we do every week is like promote, like please come, 1770 01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:13.079 please. We don't care about that, like we don't want you to 1771 01:49:13.159 --> 01:49:15.920 come, but please care about this. Like USFL is at that point where 1772 01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:20.279 I think they have devalued. I think they've devalued the even in just two 1773 01:49:20.319 --> 01:49:25.279 seasons. I think they devalued the worth of going to an actual USFL game. 1774 01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:28.680 I don't want to see the XFL do that because remember with both the 1775 01:49:28.840 --> 01:49:32.039 XBL and the USFL, we spend all this time maximizing the on air broadcast. 1776 01:49:32.199 --> 01:49:34.279 Right, Oh, we can see Dean and we can hear all this, 1777 01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:38.359 We've got the play call and all that. So why do people want 1778 01:49:38.359 --> 01:49:41.359 to come out to your stadium? You need to figure out you need to 1779 01:49:41.399 --> 01:49:43.880 make that worthwhile. You need to figure out like well, because we're gonna 1780 01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:48.079 be doing like in stadium stuff and maybe we have you know what was the 1781 01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:51.960 USFL had Kenny Chesney to play whoever it was come play or was that Tim 1782 01:49:53.039 --> 01:49:58.399 McGraw like play between like we need to do things because you've you've almost made 1783 01:49:58.399 --> 01:50:01.319 you you're on their broadcast too good now that you need to incentivize people to 1784 01:50:01.359 --> 01:50:05.279 come back out because it's way easier to sit on my couch. Yeah, 1785 01:50:05.439 --> 01:50:10.319 No, I absolutely agree. And that's always a tough balance, right between 1786 01:50:10.840 --> 01:50:14.640 being there in person and just watching it on TV. It's kind of a 1787 01:50:14.760 --> 01:50:21.239 tough balance to keep it. And I mean for the XFL, I think 1788 01:50:21.279 --> 01:50:26.039 there's enough from the on field product, and the us felt it is like 1789 01:50:26.199 --> 01:50:28.680 enough on the on field product that can engage people, but there has to 1790 01:50:28.720 --> 01:50:30.640 be other things that go on. There's other bells and whistles that maybe you 1791 01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:34.640 need to have that will actually keep people engaged as far as being able to 1792 01:50:34.680 --> 01:50:40.840 show up and have some sort of experience, right a fan experience. A 1793 01:50:40.920 --> 01:50:43.359 couple of last things here. I was just looking on here, you know, 1794 01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:45.439 anyone thinks that like Max who helped prepare the notes to say, if 1795 01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:50.159 anyone thinks that Max is like the USFL stand I'm reading here about XFL failing 1796 01:50:50.279 --> 01:50:53.600 on a lot of things. So just you know, just keep in mind 1797 01:50:53.640 --> 01:50:56.239 like Max's criminal about all of this stuf too, as much as he wants 1798 01:50:56.239 --> 01:50:58.880 to do it. I'll ask a couple of notes. Furthermore, you need 1799 01:50:58.920 --> 01:51:01.279 to stop assuming that ams will follow a league or any team just because they 1800 01:51:01.359 --> 01:51:04.399 exist. This isn't the major league sport. Uh. You know, you 1801 01:51:04.479 --> 01:51:08.680 have to build a fan base and people deeply attached like just and this is 1802 01:51:08.720 --> 01:51:12.920 always like the usfls thing like uh and like you ask, and I think 1803 01:51:12.960 --> 01:51:15.960 it was that it was Danny and Jerry when they were on. It was 1804 01:51:15.079 --> 01:51:18.520 that like the Ted Talckey like thing that they had last year where they came 1805 01:51:18.920 --> 01:51:23.800 like, hey, they're like asking Jerry Jerry like so why they repperd like 1806 01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:26.880 want to get involved in football, and it's like, well, people like 1807 01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:30.000 football, we would more football. People want football, we want to air 1808 01:51:30.119 --> 01:51:34.159 And when you even ask, like um, CFL, people like John Hodges 1809 01:51:34.239 --> 01:51:36.760 was on, Hey John, like so like what's the deal with the American 1810 01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:40.840 TV deal? Like what it's like, well, we know Americans like football, 1811 01:51:40.920 --> 01:51:45.359 like so CFL like you, like, the CFL needs to market itself 1812 01:51:45.399 --> 01:51:48.239 in America very differently than the XFL does, but neither one can just be 1813 01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:51.520 like, well, because it's it's football, people like football. The USFL 1814 01:51:51.640 --> 01:51:56.600 is showing, I mean, I think demonstrably showing, like just putting football 1815 01:51:56.720 --> 01:52:00.920 on, you're going to attract somewhere between six hundred thousand eight hundred thousand. 1816 01:52:01.159 --> 01:52:04.840 US de Bellot has not top two million this year save for the Kentucky Derby 1817 01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:09.760 or Preakness Game or whatever where they did the two million, But like, 1818 01:52:10.119 --> 01:52:13.319 you need to do more than just football on field, Like that is a 1819 01:52:13.399 --> 01:52:15.479 Brian Woods model and we saw that in the Spring League for years. I 1820 01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:19.199 just think there's a ceiling there. There is. There is certainly a ceiling 1821 01:52:19.199 --> 01:52:23.159 at least from a broadcast standpoint. Again, we don't know what the streaming 1822 01:52:23.199 --> 01:52:29.399 numbers are. Well that's always the curiosity factor here, but that audience has 1823 01:52:29.439 --> 01:52:31.600 its limits. You know, there are people who will watch football no matter 1824 01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:34.920 what, but there are also a lot of periphery people who don't watch football. 1825 01:52:34.920 --> 01:52:39.039 You know, Like putting it this way, it's it's kind of funny, 1826 01:52:39.079 --> 01:52:41.079 like I always put it in context of like, oh wow, this 1827 01:52:41.199 --> 01:52:44.039 many people watch this, Like you know this many people watch the Super Bowl. 1828 01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:46.119 Well, there are millions and millions of other people who do not watch 1829 01:52:46.159 --> 01:52:48.760 sports at all in this country, who just do not care, and so 1830 01:52:49.159 --> 01:52:53.560 like you have to count for that factor as well. And as far as 1831 01:52:53.640 --> 01:52:58.079 like when you start getting into these niche sections, you're not going to just 1832 01:52:58.520 --> 01:53:00.720 pull over all the people from the NFL or pull over these schedule people who 1833 01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:04.039 like happen to watch an NFL game, and then they're not going to suddenly 1834 01:53:04.079 --> 01:53:08.079 just be interested in the CFL or the USFL, the XFL. You have 1835 01:53:08.199 --> 01:53:13.079 to work to get people involved in those products. How it is how many 1836 01:53:13.119 --> 01:53:15.279 times have you heard like and Hodge said it? And I don't want to 1837 01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:18.039 this isn't like pooping on John Hodge, but this is the mindset, like 1838 01:53:19.319 --> 01:53:24.079 X number a million people watch this. If if we just got five percent 1839 01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:26.279 of those, if we just got two percent of those, if we just 1840 01:53:26.319 --> 01:53:30.560 got ten percent, it's like that's not and that's a failing strategy. Like 1841 01:53:30.720 --> 01:53:33.359 you need to you need to like what makes you stand out? And we 1842 01:53:33.439 --> 01:53:38.520 said at the top, if the you know the comment I had the really 1843 01:53:38.560 --> 01:53:42.439 struck with me. The XFL feels like if the NFL was not here, 1844 01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:45.199 the XFL would not have a place, right because like we we put people 1845 01:53:45.399 --> 01:53:48.079 in the NFL. Like like if you ask someone on the street, like, 1846 01:53:48.920 --> 01:53:53.680 what is XL messaging telling you right now? Was telling me people play 1847 01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:56.239 here to go to the other place? Well what if that didn't what if 1848 01:53:56.279 --> 01:53:58.960 there was no NFL? Well I don't know, like that is what? 1849 01:53:59.159 --> 01:54:00.560 So you just you need to figure out how to if that makes sense. 1850 01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:03.199 But I hate this. Well if we just got we just got a sliver 1851 01:54:03.359 --> 01:54:08.399 of that large percentage, like we would be I don't know. I live 1852 01:54:08.439 --> 01:54:12.239 in the wedding industry here, like oh, you know, thirty thousand people 1853 01:54:12.439 --> 01:54:14.960 in King County get married every year. Like if you just got you know, 1854 01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:16.760 yeah, But like I need like why do people want to hire me 1855 01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:19.560 than anyone else? Like you can't just say oh, because I exist, 1856 01:54:19.680 --> 01:54:24.800 like that's enough. Yeah. I think that's like feeding off table scraps. 1857 01:54:24.920 --> 01:54:28.239 And that's not the mentality you need to have with attracting people. You need 1858 01:54:28.319 --> 01:54:30.760 to be able to build your own interest, not just because oh well it's 1859 01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:36.640 kind of peripherally interested from this other entity. You need to actually build upon, 1860 01:54:38.840 --> 01:54:44.000 like generate your own interest. I think that's an argument that doesn't really 1861 01:54:44.079 --> 01:54:48.920 work with building out any sort of general interest in your product. I agree 1862 01:54:48.960 --> 01:54:55.399 with you in that regard. So I think another thing that can be done 1863 01:54:55.880 --> 01:55:00.760 as far as attracting other people and other numbers again, is presenting it is 1864 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:03.279 maybe something new, something innovating, not just football as people know it, 1865 01:55:03.399 --> 01:55:08.760 but something beyond that, and you know, maybe a more entertaining product. 1866 01:55:09.119 --> 01:55:13.000 I mean, I don't understand why. And that's the thing with the CFLs. 1867 01:55:13.039 --> 01:55:15.239 What kind of makes me laugh is just like, well if we just 1868 01:55:15.279 --> 01:55:16.960 got this percentage of people from the NFL, like, it doesn't work that 1869 01:55:17.039 --> 01:55:20.119 way. It doesn't go the other way because, look, no one's familiar 1870 01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:23.720 with the game down here. I'm sorry. It took years for me to 1871 01:55:23.840 --> 01:55:26.880 jump on the train and I've been watching football in most of my life and 1872 01:55:27.159 --> 01:55:30.439 people, most people don't engage with it because there's not really a method or 1873 01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:33.960 a reason to engage with it. And that is a big deal. You 1874 01:55:34.079 --> 01:55:38.199 have to you have to almost go a different way, like take a different 1875 01:55:38.279 --> 01:55:42.119 route. Instead of just the football audience, think about other audiences, right, 1876 01:55:42.359 --> 01:55:44.359 and I know, you know, look, I'm sure there's some marketing 1877 01:55:44.399 --> 01:55:45.920 exact who's probably typing in the chat right now that's telling me how wrong I 1878 01:55:46.000 --> 01:55:48.840 am. But look, there's got to be an alternative strategy to approaching this 1879 01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:53.319 besides just saying, oh, person watches football, they would watch this too. 1880 01:55:54.079 --> 01:55:57.479 I don't know would they for anyone? And I love the CFL. 1881 01:55:57.560 --> 01:55:59.880 I love the CFL. I watched every snap at the game last night. 1882 01:56:00.079 --> 01:56:06.760 For any of this the CFL people that Like, so ESPN is winn into 1883 01:56:06.800 --> 01:56:10.840 this deal with Disney and ABC and all this, like we're doing the XFL 1884 01:56:10.920 --> 01:56:14.399 thing because Fox is different because like they own the USFL outright right, there's 1885 01:56:14.399 --> 01:56:18.399 a totally different scenario, like we're going to invest in this. Like if 1886 01:56:18.479 --> 01:56:21.640 the CFL and I love the CFL and there was such a hot property here, 1887 01:56:21.880 --> 01:56:27.560 why wouldn't ESPN just go this is already produced for like we'll give that 1888 01:56:27.720 --> 01:56:30.079 money come here, Like we don't need to deal like they're already Like why 1889 01:56:30.119 --> 01:56:33.479 would we go into bed with you know, And obviously it's because it's you 1890 01:56:33.520 --> 01:56:36.359 know, American football and Danny and the Rock and like I understand, the 1891 01:56:36.479 --> 01:56:40.800 XFL is bringing a lot more. But ESPN couldn't find anyone in the market 1892 01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:43.439 half their games too this year. That's why they're giving them away for free 1893 01:56:43.479 --> 01:56:46.800 on TV on streaming and that's great, and the CBS Sports Network deal is 1894 01:56:46.840 --> 01:56:50.159 great for the summer games, but the CFL was only able to find a 1895 01:56:50.239 --> 01:56:55.800 suitable home for half of their games in the United States because half their season 1896 01:56:55.880 --> 01:56:59.680 airs opposite the NFL and college But it is interesting with the CFL fans, 1897 01:56:59.720 --> 01:57:03.920 it's like, yeah, but yet ESPN decided to go with the XFL when 1898 01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:08.359 when they were airing your games last drug, Okay, tell me that that's 1899 01:57:08.399 --> 01:57:12.199 a hot product right now in America. And I love the CFL. Yeah, 1900 01:57:12.359 --> 01:57:15.239 I mean, And they never promoted the CFL ever, Like, they 1901 01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:16.279 never promoted it. It was just there. It's like, oh, it's 1902 01:57:16.319 --> 01:57:19.920 on ESPN News today, Okay, cool, Like there's no there's zero promotion 1903 01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:24.279 about it ever in any sense, whereas CBS is at least done a little 1904 01:57:24.279 --> 01:57:27.239 bit more. We've seen them, you know, send ad promos and nance 1905 01:57:27.319 --> 01:57:30.640 promoted it. There's like at least a little more effort on that end, 1906 01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:32.359 because maybe there's more skin in the game for them to actually promote it, 1907 01:57:32.720 --> 01:57:36.079 as opposed to ESPN, who may have just been like, you know, 1908 01:57:36.239 --> 01:57:40.880 kind of a toss away rights fee of just filling programming for that day. 1909 01:57:41.199 --> 01:57:44.159 So there's maybe a little bit more skin in the game for CBS to do 1910 01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:48.920 it. Last point here and there. This is good and I appreciate that 1911 01:57:49.880 --> 01:57:54.840 they need to XL NICs approach every person from the top down who is running 1912 01:57:54.880 --> 01:57:58.279 the business side, Like has Rust Brandon? Like what is he what connections 1913 01:57:58.359 --> 01:58:00.000 is he pulling in? Now? From the business side, they have the 1914 01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:04.319 former Brown's president, Alec Sheiner, right, one of the Breadbard partners in 1915 01:58:04.359 --> 01:58:08.560 the firm. Has he been involved? Like if we're doing these layoffs, 1916 01:58:08.640 --> 01:58:12.760 restructuring and moving people around, like we are we further utilizing enough to the 1917 01:58:12.800 --> 01:58:16.239 matters rust branding, utilizing the maximum that heat can or all these people from 1918 01:58:16.279 --> 01:58:19.319 top to bottom now that we've you know, shed the dead way. I 1919 01:58:19.399 --> 01:58:21.800 hate seeing people get let you know, let go and all the layoffs. 1920 01:58:21.800 --> 01:58:27.439 But are we utilizing all these execs to their highest quality? I don't think 1921 01:58:27.479 --> 01:58:30.119 so, And I think Rust Brandon could be utilized a little bit better. 1922 01:58:30.199 --> 01:58:33.000 But again, he's doing a lot of behind the scenes work, so I 1923 01:58:33.159 --> 01:58:35.960 want him to get out there more. I want to see him more presented, 1924 01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:41.680 but it's just not happening. And there's more emphasis on Danny and Dwayne 1925 01:58:41.720 --> 01:58:47.239 when they're available but again keyword being there when they're available, not when it's 1926 01:58:47.319 --> 01:58:50.760 convenient for everybody else. And so if you're going to do that, you 1927 01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:54.439 have to get some of these higher up execs or like we were saying just 1928 01:58:54.439 --> 01:58:58.439 a few moments ago, just getting another person involved that can actually present all 1929 01:58:58.520 --> 01:59:00.359 this and has the time in the dead ocation to prevent all of it instead 1930 01:59:00.359 --> 01:59:05.119 of it somebody just you know, flying in last minute to kind of just 1931 01:59:05.279 --> 01:59:11.600 give it a formal announcement. The last thing on here, and this is 1932 01:59:12.039 --> 01:59:15.920 I think kind of probably if you want to evolve everything we said in the 1933 01:59:15.039 --> 01:59:17.319 last two hours here than this, and then we'll get out of here. 1934 01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:23.079 We're do final thoughts. More TV marketing in itself will not be the answer. 1935 01:59:23.279 --> 01:59:27.119 More national TV slots in itself will not be the answer. Better scheduling 1936 01:59:27.159 --> 01:59:30.640 and of itself is not the answer. The deep problem has to do with 1937 01:59:30.760 --> 01:59:33.199 the lack of connection to the product, not the products itself. Awareness is 1938 01:59:33.239 --> 01:59:39.039 not enough. That's kind of Max's final thoughts. I feel concurrence with that. 1939 01:59:39.159 --> 01:59:45.920 What do you make I mean, I think that they still should do 1940 01:59:45.119 --> 01:59:49.039 more of it, Like I know it's not more of it, like, 1941 01:59:50.399 --> 01:59:57.239 but I think the connection to the product. I don't. I don't know 1942 01:59:57.359 --> 02:00:00.199 what Max is really getting on about here as far as can I to the 1943 02:00:00.279 --> 02:00:02.640 product, because I think the product itself connects itself to the fans. I 1944 02:00:02.840 --> 02:00:08.319 don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is there's not as much 1945 02:00:08.359 --> 02:00:14.000 bridge building between the product and the fans by the league itself. But the 1946 02:00:14.079 --> 02:00:18.039 product is not like insufficient in a way that I think doesn't. Yeah, 1947 02:00:18.399 --> 02:00:24.760 that's okay, So in that guard I mean, I don't know what the 1948 02:00:24.800 --> 02:00:28.159 answer would be then. Besides, I gave my suggestions, as I said, 1949 02:00:28.239 --> 02:00:30.159 you know, get the banners out there, get the social media more 1950 02:00:30.199 --> 02:00:35.960 involved, get you know, better scheduling, get local TV marketing, bet 1951 02:00:36.000 --> 02:00:41.279 are promoted, get more of that. Get people to involve themselves more and 1952 02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:44.359 care about the players, the profiles. I think we've covered all of this 1953 02:00:44.560 --> 02:00:48.399 in my opinion. See I disagree. I think people have been convinced to 1954 02:00:48.520 --> 02:00:53.600 just having convinced enough people. I disagree fullheartedly with that statement. People have 1955 02:00:53.800 --> 02:00:57.680 enough reason too when you get involved. I think they are involved. It's 1956 02:00:57.720 --> 02:01:01.279 just reaching out to people and literally just telling people that it exists. I 1957 02:01:01.359 --> 02:01:04.319 think that's literally what the what the issue is here or not that are not 1958 02:01:04.479 --> 02:01:09.840 feeling involved. It's good Max, But if you if you're listening on the 1959 02:01:09.920 --> 02:01:13.319 podcast, Max is comment in the chat, people haven't been convinced that they 1960 02:01:13.359 --> 02:01:15.000 need to watch the product. I think it's both sides. I think, 1961 02:01:15.319 --> 02:01:17.600 like we've said, and I've always said, we'll get out of here. 1962 02:01:17.720 --> 02:01:26.600 I think XFL is far more CFL than it is. I think USFL kind 1963 02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:29.840 of pretends to do that. Okay, we've got the mascots and we're kind 1964 02:01:29.880 --> 02:01:32.840 of like Bandit Pede and we're out and I know they're doing community staff and 1965 02:01:32.920 --> 02:01:36.319 just I have a Fox always, I always get b D with them, 1966 02:01:36.399 --> 02:01:41.199 and it just never feels the same. I want one of these leagues to 1967 02:01:42.359 --> 02:01:45.680 not realize. But I think like at least for the for the short term, 1968 02:01:45.800 --> 02:01:49.760 except like like the CFL, we send people out, we're in the 1969 02:01:49.800 --> 02:01:53.800 communities, we're in the schools, we're building in the local things. Like 1970 02:01:54.079 --> 02:01:57.840 it's more of that than NFL. We just put it on and people watch. 1971 02:01:57.880 --> 02:02:00.680 I think you need to. I think it's like we've said, combination 1972 02:02:00.199 --> 02:02:03.479 in person, on TV and the marketing and all of that, but it's 1973 02:02:03.560 --> 02:02:08.680 far more a CFL, like we're drumming up grassroots support right now than it 1974 02:02:08.920 --> 02:02:13.960 is. NFL puts a draft on and you know eighteen million people watch or 1975 02:02:13.960 --> 02:02:17.439 whatever. Yeah, No, I mean it's not just gonna people aren't just 1976 02:02:17.479 --> 02:02:20.399 gonna flock to it immediately. You have to be able to push and be 1977 02:02:20.479 --> 02:02:25.720 able to advertise it better. But once people do, I do believe that 1978 02:02:25.840 --> 02:02:30.000 they'll be engaged with what's actually being presented. And in some ways I feel 1979 02:02:30.039 --> 02:02:34.359 that way still about other leagues, like the CFL in a way because it's 1980 02:02:34.439 --> 02:02:38.880 I think there's there's more that could be said there that could be done and 1981 02:02:39.000 --> 02:02:44.159 presented and yet isn't being done. And for the XFL, I think that 1982 02:02:44.359 --> 02:02:46.760 they have to be able to push that out a little bit further. Well, 1983 02:02:46.800 --> 02:02:49.319 there we go. I think we did it today. We'll get final 1984 02:02:49.359 --> 02:02:53.239 thoughts from Andy, but I'll set the stage before we go. Appreciate everyone 1985 02:02:53.319 --> 02:02:58.159 sticking around. Don't forget Monday. If you watch our CFL pregame show last 1986 02:02:58.239 --> 02:03:00.039 night, Jason Hussey will join me a game. We're going to recap and 1987 02:03:00.199 --> 02:03:05.439 analyze CFL Week one. Pat Raffino not to be left out in Nicole. 1988 02:03:05.520 --> 02:03:11.479 Pat will be with me on Tuesday. We'll talk through the USFL Week nine 1989 02:03:11.600 --> 02:03:14.680 ratings, all the games, kind of all that stuff. Andy highest view 1990 02:03:14.800 --> 02:03:16.800 the USFL podcast right now. Wild wow, Pat and I doing that, 1991 02:03:16.880 --> 02:03:18.960 and and he's been a part of that as well. I assure me Andy 1992 02:03:19.000 --> 02:03:23.640 did that. But wild to think that the USFL Haiti Mark has highest view 1993 02:03:23.640 --> 02:03:27.119 the USFL podcast right now on YouTube. But that is what it is. 1994 02:03:27.880 --> 02:03:30.479 But exciting stuff there. We're trying to figure out both those will be a 1995 02:03:30.600 --> 02:03:33.600 nine am Pacific and then we're trying to figure out the xvel Workie draft. 1996 02:03:33.720 --> 02:03:36.800 We will be doing coverage for that, no matter what that looks like, 1997 02:03:38.399 --> 02:03:42.439 whether I gotta go be in the parking lot somewhere and do it before I 1998 02:03:42.479 --> 02:03:45.880 got to go in and do the show or whatever, like, we'll figure 1999 02:03:45.880 --> 02:03:47.600 it out. I want to be a part of that. John Lewis says, 2000 02:03:47.800 --> 02:03:50.279 awesome. John Lewis did with us the entire time. We'll all the 2001 02:03:50.279 --> 02:03:54.560 work. Appreciate the time and never both of you put into covering these leaks. 2002 02:03:54.800 --> 02:03:58.680 John Lewis, and I appreciate that. John a friend of the podcast, 2003 02:03:58.800 --> 02:04:00.720 everything else, anything else from you before we get out of here. 2004 02:04:00.840 --> 02:04:04.760 Two hours. I mean it probably could have gone three more, but I 2005 02:04:04.840 --> 02:04:09.960 appreciate all of the work done by you, and I appreciate all the people 2006 02:04:10.000 --> 02:04:14.600 tuning in. My last thought is looks And I say all this in the 2007 02:04:14.640 --> 02:04:17.279 past two hours with respect and admiration for the league, and I want them 2008 02:04:17.319 --> 02:04:20.640 to do better because I believe it in what they have to offer, and 2009 02:04:21.079 --> 02:04:27.640 I think it's just more the overall sense of what are they doing and how 2010 02:04:27.720 --> 02:04:31.439 can they present this better? Because I feel very similarly about people from other 2011 02:04:31.520 --> 02:04:34.760 leagues who present their product and really feel as passionately about it. They just 2012 02:04:34.880 --> 02:04:39.359 wanted to be pushed out more and be able to be presented in a more 2013 02:04:39.800 --> 02:04:42.720 transparent fashion, and I feel the same way about this. So this all 2014 02:04:42.800 --> 02:04:47.079 comes from admiration and respects for the league, but there's always things that could 2015 02:04:47.079 --> 02:04:50.319 be done better. And I think everybody, every fan base, and every 2016 02:04:50.399 --> 02:04:56.479 league could always feel that way no matter what. I am a firm believer, 2017 02:04:56.640 --> 02:04:59.800 and nothing was ever improved by sitting around and saying this is fine. 2018 02:05:00.800 --> 02:05:02.760 I have it. Like you said, tremendous respect for all this, I 2019 02:05:02.880 --> 02:05:08.760 will say, there are the same with the USFL fan podcasts out there. 2020 02:05:08.840 --> 02:05:12.479 Then sit every week and go, this is the greatest thing. That's great 2021 02:05:12.560 --> 02:05:15.319 that's great. I enjoyed the product. I wanted to give me a get 2022 02:05:15.359 --> 02:05:17.239 better. Until we have years of success in this, there's always need to 2023 02:05:17.279 --> 02:05:20.119 be concerns and we want to do everything we can. I just I don't 2024 02:05:20.159 --> 02:05:24.319 like unforced errors. The one unforced errors. Want to do everything we can. 2025 02:05:24.760 --> 02:05:28.399 Appreciate everyone. I'll get this out of here. I like and subscribe. 2026 02:05:28.439 --> 02:05:30.680 I'm sure anyone that's two hours into this is subscribed at this point, 2027 02:05:30.720 --> 02:05:33.600 but if you're not, I appreciate that. We'll see you next time.