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Today's Bible verse is short and sickening. Collashan's three eighteen says lives be subordinate

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to your husband's as is proper in
the Lord. Well, I, for

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one, won't be lectured by a
misogynistic imaginary sky daddy on propriety. My

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genitalia and chromosomes don't make me lesser
than a man, And from what I

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have seen of men, there's no
particular reason to submit to them. So

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you know we're equal, FYI.
Instead of getting stuck on invented hierarchies and

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dictating to each other, maybe let's
work together. If I have aroused your

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ire and your anger, and you
think bigotry in the Bible is just a

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okay by you, then call us
because the show is starting now. Hello,

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listen to back proud Yeah, nice, nice, Hello, everybody,

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Welcome back to Talk Heathen Today at
September twenty four, twenty twenty three.

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I am your host today Objectively Dan
live in the studio in Austin, Texas

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and joining me today is returning.
It's not your debut, but it's your

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second time. Is there a word
for that? Is Sophia, Sophia,

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welcome back to the show. Thank
you, yeah, I'm happy to be

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here. Sophia. It's been a
few months since you've been on, so

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maybe you could remind the audience who
are you? Where did you come from?

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Are you here? To be honest, I'm not much at anything.

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I'm a bit of nothing in a
nobody, but yeah, I am a

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formerly religious chick who started thinking a
little bit more independently, sort of figuring

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out what evolution was and it was
very different from the lies that I had

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been told. Showed up at Atheist
Community of Austin and threw my hat in

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the ring to start chatting with chatting
with the public, talking to you people.

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You guys may remember we had auditions
way back in February this year and

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Sophia was there and is coming back
and we'll hopefully be back on some more

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shows this year, so look forward
to that. So anyway, folks,

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And if you want to call into the

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three, baby. You can call
into your computer, smartphone, or you're

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smart watch. I was gonna say, probably shouldn't call him from your watch.

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I don't think the quality would be
that great, but I could be

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wronging. Actually I don't know some
of those watches, man, Yeah,

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yeah, I can. I have
the feature on my watch and I'd never

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use it. But it's like if
I was a kid, I would be

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disappointed in myself because it's like,
what is that not the coolest thing ever?

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We can talk to people through our
watches now and I don't even do

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it very star trek, Yeah,
exactly, what's up with that? So

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I don't know. Anyway, every
single week we aren't doing a segment called

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talk Heathen to Me, So this
is where we're reading the top three comments

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from our prompt every week. So
I want to read to you guys some

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of the comments from last week,
because last week we ask you what is

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a lesser known fruit of the spirit, which is a great prompt, good

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prompt on that one. Number three
comes from skeptic Spike, who says,

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lesser known fur to the spirit self
love. You can't love others without loving

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yourself first. That includes the supposed
impure parts as well. And I like

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this because this is a wholesome one, and we like never get wholesome answers

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for anything. It's like, actually
legit. So yeah, I'm glad it

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made the top three this week.
That's a good one. But number two

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comes from X A Million, who
says fur to the spirit grapes of grap

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obviously, so we're going back to
the jokes again, you know. Yeah,

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a very good one. Our number
one comes from I Theist, who

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says, a lesser known fur to
the spirit cogged dissonance. That is definitely

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a virtue amongst them. Yeah,
well, it's one of those things where

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it's like it's uncomfortable. But I
think in retrospect a lot of people are

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glad that they experienced that at least
once or twice. You know, maybe

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not everybody, but I appreciated it. I don't know about you. You

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used to be a Christian yourself,
right, So how long ago was your

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sort of deconstruction experience. So it
wasn't about twenty sixteen twenty seventeen when I

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actually was just decided to put religion
down and be like, you know,

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I'm not going to advocate for this
anymore because I got tired of fighting to

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say, oh no, not all
Christians are like that. Oh no,

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you know, I'm different or whatever. I just got tired and decided that

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I also had reached the conclusion that
you can be secular and moral, So

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I'm like, okay, I don't
need this. I'm tired. And then

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during that time, I started just
learning more about where the Bible actually came

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from, the historical context of the
Bible, started just reasoning more on my

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own, and learned a lot about
science. Yeah, I genuinely was was

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around a lot of six thousand year
Earth people for a while. Oh yeah,

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that's a whole thing. Yeah yeah, I'd love to talk more about

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it. But I also need to
give the pop for this week, too,

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so let me do that real quick. So this week's prompt is what

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is an inappropriate thing to say at
a religious funeral? Now? This is

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this is this is a spicy one. Yeah, I don't even know.

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I don't even know if I have
a good answer for this, but I

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think you had a really good one
for this. What would you say is

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an inappropriate thing to say had a
religious funeral? He has risen. Oh

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that's so bad, it's so bad. I don't know. I can't I

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can't be bad. I can't think
of anyone for this. But we won't

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know what you guys think, So
leave a comment below what is an inappropriate

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thing to say at a religious funeral? And we will read the top three

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uh answers. Give a fun one. Yeah, I want to see what

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people say about that, Sophia.
I you know, I hope if of

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the course of the show we can
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But this is a call in show, so I think we should talk

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to some folks. You want to
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So I see, I see we
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Felix. Yes, I love talking
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him from Florida, who says that
atheism destroys sexual purity. Interesting, Okay,

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we're gonna hit that talk button.
Then it's a satisfying feeling. Isn't

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hit that talk about you're a live
on talk heathen. What's going on?

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What's up? What's up? Hello? Hello, Felix. How's it going

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good? Good? Good? Okay, Well, so I'll make my main

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point then, yeah, response the
sex secularism created the sexual revolution in the

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forties, so it's inherent secularist doctrine. It's inherently rooted in the destruction of

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sexual purity. Hell yeah, I'm
like that's good in my thought. I'm

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not thinking a ton of issue with
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happened. It wasn't the forty Yeah, it wasn't the forties, but yeah,

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yeah, secularism definitely has ties in
the sexual revolution as well. Go

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ahead, though, yeah, sorry, I think I think I meant the

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six Yeah, but whenever it started, it's just it's sexual impurity. I

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Look. My argument is if the
values marriages and monogamy true, where if

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you wait for one person, you
only do it with one person for the

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rest of your life, that's kind
of shattered now because of sexual impurity caused

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by atheis. So can I give
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One is that when you're waiting for
a marriage and only ever kissing or

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having sex with the person that you
marry ultimately doesn't actually make your marriage last

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any longer. So when we look
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to monogamy and what I feel like
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actually save a marriage. So I
find it interesting that you say it destroys

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marriages when in general that that doesn't
seem to be backed up by evidence.

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Yeah, and here's an experience I've
had. I've known tons of people that

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got married at eighteen or nineteen or
twenty, right in middle of Bible college,

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right because they want to be able
to have sex with that person because

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they don't feel like they can.
And those are marriages that tend to end

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up not lasting. Some of them
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I don't think there's any of it, and that suggests that makes it a

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happier, longer marriage. There's another
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interested in someone who has sexual experience. I think sexual combatibility is important at

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least for my relationships, the kind
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And that's something that frankly just doesn't
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a value that Christianity really holds.
Right, we have this idea that,

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oh, we want to remain quote
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that's because people get jealous when they
think about having sex with other partners.

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But like, okay, that's just
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I don't know, you learn some
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sometimes you have regrets, sure,
but like that's also a part of who

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somebody is. And if anything,
I think that's a great thing. I

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actually don't think it's a bad thing
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isn't as widely held as it used
to be. I would also throw out

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real quick, not to like pile
on too much here, but when it's

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a pretty well known phenomenon that when
super purity focused couples get married, a

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lot of the time they end up
waiting a lot longer to have sex.

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Even then, you know, their
wedding night, they don't know how to

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have sex. They're scared of it, they're scared it will make them impure

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in the eyes of God, even
though they've done all the right things.

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And then it ends up being an
anxiety inducing experience and isn't being very painful.

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And the concept of sexual pleasure,
this is something even girl defined of

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all people, has talked about,
is not held up as a value in

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a marriage, is something that you
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causes a lot of marital issues just
by never having talked about sexual pleasure and

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not valuing it. Yeah, so
a lot of things you throughout there,

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Felix, what do you think There
are some good points there. There are

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some good points about the experience and
not really knowing how to do it.

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I can't disagree with that. I
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somebody has before marriage, it destroys
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You've shared yourself that so many other
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or just live with that person,
it's not really that special. Well,

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I mean citation needed. Yeah,
what do you mean by pair bonding?

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Can you explain by that term?
Their bonding is your ability to open up

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to someone emotionally and truly give your
So the more relationships you have, some

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more breakups you have when it gets
the messy, and that's why it hurts

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your relationship not just the sexual I
mean you mean you mean all aspects of

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relationships. So do you think like
polyamorous people, for example, are less

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capable of being emotionally fulfilled in their
relationships than like monogamous people. I would

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say, so, why, Okay, if you have a car and you're

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showing with a bunch of people,
you're putting more miles on it and not

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a car. Yeah, people are
cars, right, I mean that's you're

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right, I'm putting more miles on
it. But you do know a vagina

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doesn't work like a car, right, Like it doesn't get worn out.

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Do you think do you think parents
have less emotional bonds with their children if

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they have more children, Like,
I mean, there's lots of relations more

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children. But I'm sorry, sorry
interrupting. Well, I'm just saying,

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like, like you can have you
can be emotionally open to more than one

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person, Like I just don't think
that it has to be one person.

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And that also implies that, like, okay, you get married once.

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Let's say you're a virgin and you
get married and then you divorce and then

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you get married to somebody else,
that somehow you're less of a person than

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you were before. And you're less
able to like be emotionally available to people.

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And I just don't think that's true. I just don't see how you

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could demonstrate that. And it doesn't
make sense with an example even within Christianity

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of God's love, like theoretically God
would love us all the same, and

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it's not Love isn't finite, it's
not this this really, But also it

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doesn't have a lot to do with
physical activity, how much you can love

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somebody emotionally. I hear you asserting
that, I do not see any evidence

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that that is the case. Yeah, anything they're bud okay, yeah,

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just from personal science. I should
have to study out. I guess I

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should have to study out ready.
I've seen studies quoted by the Fressian Fit

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group. But oh, Fresh and
Fit Man, Freshian Fit is not a

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scientific body which you should be citing
sources, my friend. Sorry, no,

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I know, but the fact that
that's where information is coming from makes

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me deeply skeptical of where the study
itself came from. Also, I've I've

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listened to enough Fresh and Fit to
note that they just make shit up and

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then they're like, yeah, it's
science, you know, like a lot

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of the Andrew tape tape types do, so I would be deeply skeptic goal

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of that. They are the ones
who use things like car analogies, who

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I would definitely be a low value
woman in their in their estimation. It

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just just fine. I'm not really
trying to appeal to the fresh and fit

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population. But I was a bit
of a hoebag and I have a great

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marriage and it's it's awesome. It's
so much better than what I would have

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had when I was still very religious. So yeah, I would say maybe

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maybe not fresh and fit for your
information. Avoid people who are widely proclaimed

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to be a part of the manisphere
to understand sexual purity. Even from a

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religious perspective, I would not recommend
that. Man. Yeah, yeah,

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I have to religion. They are
hypocrites because they say you can't keep around

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with a bunch of women, but
then they want to ViRGE. Yeah,

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study that they quoted, not that
they themselves. They're they're in morals.

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I understand what you're saying. I
just I just feel like, yeah,

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maybe maybe broadening your horizons. They're
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trust much of what they say.
I wouldn't fill my brain with the with

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that, with that podcast. I'm
sorry that threw me for a loot a

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little bit pressed, unfit. I'm
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and look like also, this is
just anecdote, right, but like I

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know tons of people in this community
who had marriages, particularly in religious communities,

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right, and have since gone away
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relationships, and they are the most
fulfilled, in the most happiest that they've

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ever been. Right. If that
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to their religious communities and uphold those
values. But quite frankly, most of

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the time it's the other way around. It's you find freedom and liberation,

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and yeah, the sexual revolution is
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turns out it's a good thing.
Turns out marriage doesn't have to be you

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know, a term sentence, right, it's not a prison sentence that you

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have to fulfills. It's a fulfilling
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it's just the legal status because it's not

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built on the fact that you know, there's a marriage certificate between two peoples

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that you love that person and you
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in fact, I think it's someone's
sexual background and relationships with other people that

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help them figure out how to work
with people and how to figure out what

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they want in a relationship. How
do you know what you really want if

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you've only been with one person,
right, It's like there could be other

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options out there. Not saying that
people who have you know, married their

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high school sweetheart or ever, are
having you know, unfulfilled relationships. I

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don't think that's true at all.
It's just like this idea that somehow you're

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less valuable because you've had particularly sexual
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see that. I think that's a
jealousy thing. I didn't say that person

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is that's valuable. I didn't say
the woman is not inherently valuable because of

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that. Yeah, but when you
make a make a comparison to like a

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car or any of the or that
that you're putting an object in the place

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of a person which inherently devalues the
person. So I kind of thing about

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that. Let's just say the fresh
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Yeah. Yeah. I also I
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and I feel like you're really wondering
about this, And so I think if

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you just even look up, you
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fit people. But if you just
look up, like, you know,

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yeah, feminist stances on the sexual
periody, you're going to come up with

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a lot of interesting articles that might
change your perspective. If you really value

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only being with one person forever,
then I wouldn't say, go push yourself

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to just like sleep with everybody.
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you want to be very limited in
your number of partners, that's a value

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you have. Great, you know, But I think that you having that

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choice is fine. Me having that
choice should be fine too, And I

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don't think it makes me. I
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pair bonding. I just I don't
see the evidence for that, and it

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doesn't make sense to me why that
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final thoughts Felix before let you go. Yeah, not that it the values

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of person, but it just carries
on baggage. People have a lot of

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trauma from POWs relationships, and they
bring that baggage into their marriages or into

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their bong term relationship. I fully
agree with you. There, the more

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relationships you have, the more baggage
you tend to bring to the relationship.

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That's what I meant person will be
met by the carnology. Yeah, I

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think that that life gives you baggage
no matter what, whether it's a relationship

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you've been in, whether it's religious
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black guys and Harry Potter five and
I got really sad about it. That's,

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you know, baggage you have carrying
forward. I don't think there's anything

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special about sexual baggage though, but
I would love to. I would love

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it if you win and read some
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near your perspective with a little bit
more research. You sound like a really

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like a really thinking about this and
I appreciate that. Yeah, I would

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just send it to by saying I
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psychologically mess you up and affect your
next relationship? One percent? Absolutely,

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no questions there. But I think
that can also be valuable. I mean,

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sometimes bad experiences are better for you
in the long run. I had

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some several bad experiences and relationships,
but at the end day, I'm kind

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of glad I had them, because
I wouldn't be the person I am today

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without growing from that. And that's
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somebody who may have some bad experiences
doesn't mean that there wasn't something valuable

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that came from not saying that,
Oh yeah, they definitely should have had

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those experiences. But that's life,
right. Stuff happens that we don't plan

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for, and I don't know,
we just become better people. We hope

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to, at least not everybody does. But I don't know. We get

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worse, but you know, at
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But anyway, Felix, I appreciate
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that we got for this particular call. But I don't know that that was

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a different conversation than I expected to
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love talking about I don't know,
I love talking about sex. It's kind

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of weird. Maybe it would just
be like, tell me all about your

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religious drama and now it affects your
sexual activity. But anyway, so not

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alling about that, Yeah, well
you know, there you go, strong

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start for Sophia here then coming back
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continue to be able to talk about
sex with people, which is not a

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thing I say every day, but
that is a sentence I genuinely do.

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him from New York and Gary says, mentally ill people are taken advantage of

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by religious food charities. I have
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bringing hello Gary. Hi. Yeah, I was just calling because I'm fifty

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seven years old and I've had schizo
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and I'm doing okay now financially.
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where I've had to go to religious
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service in order to get the food
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free, yeah, but you have
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I've had to endure like three hours
of speaking in tongues which I certainly did

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believe in even when I was a
Christian. Yeah, I'm an easiest now.

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But there seems to be a stipulation
that if you're poor, homeless,

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and mentally ill you have, if
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organization, they're gonna push their beliefs
on you, whether you agree with him

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or not. And to some extent, you actually start to pretend that you

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believe what they believe just to get
the damn food. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, And I'm so glad you're
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have. I've done that. I've
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the past, and it does seem
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it's like, oh, here,
we'll get you your needs for life if

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you just sit here and listen to
this sermon for the next half hour or

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whatever, right, And it does
feel it feels gross. It does feel

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gross. I think, if you're
going to help people, why don't you

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just help people? Why do you
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the middle of it, especially for
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they're suffering from food insecurity, Like, that's the last kind of people I

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want to waste people's time with,
right, So, And may I ask

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you, Gry, did it make
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think overall I've become less religious and
the easiest because of the way religious people

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take advantage of those who are home
most and mentally ill. Yeah, I

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mean, if you're I mean I'm
not. I want to make it perfectly

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clear. I'm in treatment and I
take my medication. Yeah, But if

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you're not taking your medication for whatever
disorder you have, especially if it's a

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psychotic disorder, you're gonna go along
with anything just to get some food.

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medicated or not in treatment or don't have

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that available, or even if they
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they went off of it, they
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as anybody else. And yeah,
really sorry that happened to you. Yeah,

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I'm sorry that. Yeah, I
mean, yeah, I think I

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became an easiest more because I was
listening to people like Christopher Hitchens, Sam

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Harris certainly of atheist Aaron Rock.
I'm a big fan of Iaran Rock.

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He's very intelligent. He presents his
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stage of being an atheist overnight.
It was like over a ten year process.

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I was raised Catholic, and I
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When I was sixteen, I did
my confirmation. My father never brought

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it up again, and I never
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life. Yeah, he was just
like, all right done. Yeah.

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My father didn't drive into us like
this hardcore religious police. Yeah, he

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just sort of went to the motion
because he was raising ten kids and my

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mother had died and he just wanted
to do what she warmed. So,

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yeah, you know, Gary,
I never sorry, Demiro, but I

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was just thinking, you know,
I used to be a part of a

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church, or I was for a
little while that I found out that they

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did a service where they actually told
people to get off whatever medication they were

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using because they thought that the Holy
Spirit was going to heal whatever ailments people

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were suffering from. And that really
ticked me off. I mean, I

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was not a full fledged atheist at
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I remember being virulently mad about that
situation, right, Yeah, I mean

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I got the same situation when I
was in alcoholics Anonymous, I don't think

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I haven't drink in ten years,
but actually it's sort of the same thing.

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I mean, so I don't know. Yeah, yeah, but I'm

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doing fine now. It's fun to
point that out. No congratulations on being

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sober for ten years and on you
know, doing so well. But I

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think you make such a great point
that it would be really different if I

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were to just sort of pontificate about
that. But because this is your lived

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experience, you can say, like, this is what I saw, and

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this is what I experienced, and
and no, it didn't actually make me

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more Christian. It sort of his
demeaning. It sort of takes this it

408
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:56.359
is demeaning. Yeah, it makes
you a check book in there? Religious?

409
00:25:56.359 --> 00:26:00.640
Why do you be treated differently from
the rest of this church congregence?

410
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:04.279
Right, like, if you're truly
in the eyes of God, just as

411
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:08.599
sinful, just as you know,
wretched, worthless whatever Christians use to describe

412
00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:12.559
normal functioning people, like like,
why do you get to be the exception

413
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:15.839
to this? Did you do something
particularly wrong? I think that's the implication

414
00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:19.319
here, right, that you're suffering
from food insecurity, or you're suffering from

415
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.319
this mental illness, or you're suffering
from blah blah blah, because either you've

416
00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:27.000
messed up at some point in your
life or you're being challenged by demonic forces.

417
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:30.599
I mean, it's just it is
demeaning in some way. It is.

418
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.200
It is something that I don't think
you should anybody should be treating anybody

419
00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.680
with, right, Yeah, so
I'm sorry you had to go through that,

420
00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:40.519
Go ahead, Yeah, yeah.
I live in upstate in New York

421
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:45.000
and there's an organization called Food Link. They're non religious, and they handle

422
00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.279
a lot of donated foods. But
once they distribute it to the mothe or

423
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:53.799
churches or the synagogue or any other
religious institution, it's up to those institutions

424
00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:57.960
how they give up the food.
Yeah, so it's really left up to

425
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:04.240
the individual or organization. Something that
I'm sorry. It's something to remember if

426
00:27:04.279 --> 00:27:08.279
anybody's, you know, donating to
food banks or working in nonprofits, to

427
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:12.279
think about the fact that you might
be giving about simulations, but it doesn't

428
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.799
mean that everyone else is too.
So if you're already right, yeah,

429
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.400
that's something you really remember, Yeah, at least with nonprofits, there's usually

430
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:23.920
some sort of record keeping for how
somebods funds are done and stuff, right,

431
00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:26.559
Like, that's not obviously the case
with church is right, you really

432
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.039
don't have to report exactly what happens
with any donations and things. And this

433
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.759
is and this is a pushback I
get sometimes, and I'm sure you have

434
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:36.440
two where it's like, well,
aren't these people doing good work for people?

435
00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:37.759
At the end of the day,
It's like yes and no, Right,

436
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.519
I mean, maybe I'm not going
to doubt that somebody's been helped by

437
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.720
church for their situation. Yeah,
obviously that's That's not what I'm saying.

438
00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.559
But like, are there ways in
which we can make this process were transparent?

439
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.599
Yeah? Right, because I don't
want to support a church that's going

440
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:52.960
to preach to people. I'm sorry, even if they're helping people like I

441
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.200
just I just don't think that's a
good thing to do. I think there's

442
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.200
other ways we can do that,
right. I think we also see when

443
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:03.119
it becomes a key unity effort kind
of across the United States, you see

444
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:08.200
that a lot of times religious organizations
will opt out of actually participating in in

445
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:12.079
collective work with other organizations because they
want to be able to preach, so

446
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:18.079
they're becoming less effective even if they're
so arguably doing good things. Yeah.

447
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:19.839
Also, I feel like it's worth
asking is this the best way to do

448
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.960
it? Though? Right, Like, you might do a good thing,

449
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.759
but if there's a way to be
ten times more effective, yeah, then

450
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:30.240
why aren't we doing that? Yeah? Right, I would have to say,

451
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:34.240
this is a different topic. I
am lucky enough to be in a

452
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:38.880
treatment center that's secular. They're not
pushing religion. I mean that never comes

453
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:44.480
up. It's a publicly funded hospital
that I go to for my outpatient treatment,

454
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.599
and it's been I'm lucky in that
regard. I've heard of the I

455
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:56.480
believe it's the secular therapy projects.
Yes, that's a good project, and

456
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.359
I'm already involved in something that's secular
and that's a up more helpful than something

457
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.640
that's religious. But that's all I
really had to say, right, Well,

458
00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.759
thank you so much, Yeah,
Gary, thanks so much for sharing

459
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.559
that experience, because I that's super
important that you share that, and I'm

460
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:15.200
honestly super happy about that. I
especially like I like the fact that you

461
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:17.599
did tie in, Like, yeah, I struggle with this mental illness and

462
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:19.960
I struggle with food insecurity and I
didn't get help from either because it's like,

463
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:22.599
how how common is that? But
like we don't say it in so

464
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:27.000
plain words that Gary did right,
and I don't know. I'm like,

465
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.000
are there secular options which we can
help people with? Yes? And I

466
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:33.599
hope that there's more that we can
do. You don't have to if you

467
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.920
feel like there's a vulnerable population that
you want to help, you don't have

468
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:38.720
to feel like, oh, all
the options are just like Christian ones.

469
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.079
Like there's definitely places out there,
and that's something maybe to remember as atheists.

470
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:47.400
Two is that there isn't always a
lot of organization. You know,

471
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.400
behind atheism it's pretty independent, but
there are secular organizations out there, and

472
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:52.839
you know, if we want to
do good, we have to get involved

473
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.799
in can't always just be like,
well, Christians aren't doing things the right

474
00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.920
way, but it's like asking to
criticize them. And I hate to say

475
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.960
activism doesn't end at call in shows. Never. I think we had more

476
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.119
than like this thing, you know
what I mean, Like this might not

477
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:11.599
be the last thing we need to
do, but anyway, the last thing

478
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.680
I'm gonna do today though maybe so
I got another show. I'm doing the

479
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.319
next show after this, so I've
at least got one more. But you

480
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:19.440
know, we'll see. But Gary, appreciate your call and thank you so

481
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:23.200
much for that. We do have
some more callers in the queue, but

482
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:26.680
just reminder, we just still do
have open lines, so if you want

483
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:29.319
to get in, it's not too
late. We can definitely take some more

484
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:33.119
calls, So numbers on the screen
if you are interested. But I'll intro

485
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:37.400
this next one here we have it
looks like we might have an audience question.

486
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.000
Oh, you're right, we do
have an audience question. We have

487
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.319
this like new sign at the top
here and it's really cool and we don't

488
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.680
have a camera to show you,
but it is. It is at the

489
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.519
top there, and it does say
that we should do an audience questions.

490
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:51.359
So let's actually turn the cameras around
and let's get it. There we go

491
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:55.160
audience question. Hello, how are
you doing? Hi? My name is

492
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:57.200
John from the Dallas Fort Worth the
area. My first time here. Love.

493
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.039
My question was more for a feel
in this whole concept of sexual purity.

494
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:06.960
I understand Felix is using the Bible
is some kind of a sexual a

495
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:10.279
moral guide post for his sexual purity. But I was this curious how he

496
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:14.519
would reconcile characters like in the Old
Testament King David, who had a wife

497
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:17.640
and multiple concubines. Yeah, how
would he wrap his mind around that?

498
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:19.359
Well, Felix isn't online, so
I don't think he could answer that,

499
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.400
And I want to let's not strow
me in Felix's position, because I didn't

500
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.240
hear Felix say he used the Bible
for his position, so I don't know

501
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.680
if that's true. If he uses
the Bible very well might but I don't

502
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.359
want to like speak for him.
I will say this, Obviously, people

503
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:38.799
do use biblical sort of reference points
for what's supposed to be spiritually or sexually

504
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.960
pure, and as you pointed out, they're often like terrible and not great

505
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.640
and don't lead to the super awesome
outcomes. I feel like I think about

506
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:49.559
what would I have said when I
was still like a Christian and struggly believing.

507
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:52.720
I probably would have made an argument
about the Old Covenant versus the New

508
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:57.319
Covenant and how it was allowed at
one going to have multiple wives, and

509
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.519
that you know it was treated differently. Of course, that brings a bunch

510
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.319
of different questions about yeah, God
change that seems kind of weird, and

511
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.319
people are like, oh, yeah, they had multiple wives, but they

512
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.960
were sending. But it's like,
but God never rebuked every yeah, anybody

513
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:15.960
for having multiple wives. That is
just not a thing that seemed okay at

514
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.519
the time. But yeah, I
don't know, so I know, I

515
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:20.920
know that's what I would have said, but I can't speak for if anything,

516
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.880
the Bible supports polygamous marriages. I
mean, you could honestly make a

517
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.680
better case for that than monogamous one, at least if you're just doing Old

518
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.359
Testament. New Testament gets kind of
weird. And I have heard some people

519
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:36.240
argue that some women in particular argue
that polygamist marriages makes sense only because women

520
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:37.640
do so much housework. They if
you split it up a bunch of amongst

521
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.759
a bunch of people, then that's
great, and so it can be a

522
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.599
well that's one perspective. So I
don't think that's what the Bible is advocating

523
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:47.799
for. But you know, yeah, yeah, that's that's very interesting.

524
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:52.319
Let's go ahead. We do have
other callers, so I want to want

525
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.079
to get to that. I you
know, I'm so used to not being

526
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.079
in studio and forget Yeah, we
got audience questions here too, So audience

527
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.599
members, just to remind, of
course you if you want to ask questions,

528
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:02.920
be sure to ask the moderator and
we'll get you next as well.

529
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:06.920
But I'll introduce this next one.
Here we have Liam, who's calling in

530
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:09.799
from Louisiana, who's asking us,
did we hear that the rapture should have

531
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:14.200
happened yesterday? Did you hear about
this? I didn't hear about this.

532
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.720
That's the light in the mood.
Just like I wanted to congratulate both of

533
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:22.839
you and all the listeners at home
for surviving yet another raptors. Yeah,

534
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.960
what happened to him? And evidently
it Like I don't have access to all

535
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.599
the police reports, but I'm not
aware of like hundreds of thousands of missing

536
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.119
persons. Yeah, plains out of
the sky. We could just be really

537
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.599
screwed and it did happen, and
none of us are going to heaven or

538
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:40.559
whatever. I don't know. I
don't know. There's like fifteen Amish people

539
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:44.880
and like, yeah, the only
ones who and we don't know because they

540
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:46.759
don't post on the internet. That's
true, they don't have like a you

541
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:50.559
know how like Facebook has like the
oh I'm safe from this event thing.

542
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:52.079
They don't have I'm safe from the
raptorre thing because they don't have Facebook.

543
00:33:52.119 --> 00:33:54.400
We're gonna learn about on NPR or
ten years from now. That there was

544
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:59.759
like some weird Yeah, I know
this has happened before, but real quick,

545
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:04.119
this occurred to me, and I
wanted to pitch this, Like there

546
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.799
is a I'm a long time skip
to I know my Bible, I was

547
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.440
raised in the deep cell, and
there's a verse, a very specific verse

548
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.480
that says, no man know it
the day or the hour the son of

549
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:20.920
man will return. Yes, very
familiar with that very very specific equation there.

550
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.880
And even if you take it literally
and just reduce it to men's,

551
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:29.199
like that's four billion men's on the
planet. And so I think we could

552
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.559
just gain the system and do an
online sign up sheet to pretend you know

553
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:37.800
the day and the hour to take
your heart of hearts, be firmly convinced

554
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:39.960
that the son of man will return
in the specific day and the hour.

555
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:45.199
Know how much time that gives us
with four billion people comes out to four

556
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:50.320
hundred and fifty six thousand years.
Yeah, we could delay, oh to

557
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.360
lay it back a little bit.
That is a good play. I don't

558
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.920
think they anticipated the internet when they
wrote that passage, so we might have

559
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.960
just found a loophole. Do you
love rapture predictions? Though? They just

560
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:01.320
made me feel a little bit more
alive. I'm like, yeah, you

561
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:06.000
know, just maybe the world will
in tomorrow. I'm just gonna lips up

562
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:09.719
today. We're alive, okay.
I mean is that Am I the only

563
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:13.239
one? I don't know. I
don't know if I've ever heard of rapture

564
00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.960
prediction. I'm like, God,
I feel more alive. Yeah, like

565
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:21.239
living on the edge. I mean, I guess it can get tragic though,

566
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.159
like the in that historian has that
thing about what's encamping that made all

567
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:30.840
those billboards right, and he personally
bankrupted himself and had people just like max

568
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:34.719
out their credit cards and quit their
jobs and it was a bad diesel.

569
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.239
I mean, it's yeah, it's
it's really not funny, but I think

570
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:42.280
it's just a skeptical outwage thing.
It isn't funny. It does like well,

571
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.280
I mean, it is funny,
but it isn't funny right because it's

572
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:46.079
like it does affect real human lives
in the fact that there's like a cult

573
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:51.280
leader taking advantage of people and perhaps
deluded himself. That part is not funny

574
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:52.719
or absolutely. The funny part is, of course, how often we have

575
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.960
rapture predictions right where it's like,
yeah, it seems to keep coming up,

576
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:59.880
but then some people are just very
convinced of you know, this next

577
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:02.960
one being the one. I have
to wonder if that verse that says we

578
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.840
don't know the day or the hour
that this is going to happen, I

579
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.440
wonder how many more Christians would fall
into that, because I think that's a

580
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:13.000
very big stop gap. I know
it was for me. Well, I

581
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.079
remember my past to talk about,
Oh, don't ever worry about you know,

582
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:19.480
camping and all these people, because
you know, there's there's we don't

583
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:22.000
know the day of the hour or
when the Mayan stuff was happening. Remember

584
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.599
twenty twelve, now, I remember
having the peace of mind knowing, well,

585
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:29.000
we don't know the day or the
hours. I taught sixth grade at

586
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.599
the time, and some of the
sixth graders were really really worried about low

587
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:35.920
key. I think I was worried
too, but I don't remember how old

588
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:37.760
that was probably old enough to know
better. But the point is, uh,

589
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.960
yeah, it's I think it takes
advantage of people's fear right and just

590
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.639
kind of hijacks it in a way
that makes them not think clearly about it.

591
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:47.719
And if you do think clearly about
it, you realize, hey,

592
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:52.800
they're really I mean John of of
you know, I can't remember his name,

593
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:53.719
John of Pat Moose, guy who
wrote it. We didn't even know

594
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:57.320
who he is. He just he
just literally just wrote a book. And

595
00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.800
now we're just going to be afraid
of this for some reason because a bunch

596
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.840
of other people think there's that's that's
like, that's all revelation, the Book

597
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:07.840
of Revelation. Really it makes that
fear of hell very proximate, as I

598
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:09.119
think a lot of folks. I
know, I struggled with fear of how

599
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:13.119
when I was leaving the faith,
and still I think in the back of

600
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.480
my head there's this, you know, it's it's hard to it's hard to

601
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.920
shake. So if you're being told
it might be this week, better go

602
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:22.679
right with God, you know that
it pushes that fear of hell right there

603
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.679
in your fright, because it's not
just you can't just be a good person.

604
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.679
Christianity doesn't teach that. It's no, you have to have the specific

605
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:30.239
relationship with God. You have to
be saved, you have to be to

606
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.360
an X, Y and Z,
depending on the denomination. Right. But

607
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.280
it's like it's never just oh,
are you generally a good guy? Yeah,

608
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.039
you're probably fine. It's no,
you're not attending church, you're not

609
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.559
tithing, you're not whatever. You
have one week to figure out which denomination

610
00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:45.639
and which religion got it right?
Yes, And if it's one guy named

611
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:50.400
Dave from Vancouver in nineteen seventy three, then I guess you got to find

612
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:54.079
him in that time. Yeah,
yeah, go to Dave. I did

613
00:37:54.199 --> 00:38:00.280
get more serious, Like I'm the
evangelical branch. I grew up leaving Carol

614
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.920
of Security to where once they've always
saved. They literally believed that you could

615
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:08.159
be, you know, redeemed by
your Lord and savor Jesus Christ, invest

616
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:13.199
in and you're like you could have
like shop lifted something or said a bad

617
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:15.039
word and then been hit by a
truck and you would die and go to

618
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:20.079
Hell forever. And yeah, cratching
up of like that that cycle a lot

619
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.519
of abuse. I mean, that's
a real thing. Definitely right, definitely.

620
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:27.559
And and there is this theology too
where it's like there are some Christians

621
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.800
who think that they're saved but they're
not. Right. Yeah, it's like

622
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.920
that's especially messed up because it's like, well, Jesus could do something about

623
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.199
that, right, like where where's
the intervention happening there? But no,

624
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:39.760
they're just gonna live their lives thinking
they're saved and they're not. That's that's

625
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:44.280
probably the most messed up of all. If. I remember knowing a Baptist

626
00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.639
who was so proud that he had
converted a Nazarine to go to the Baptist

627
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:51.760
Church, and we brought this up
a lot, like this was some really

628
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.360
big God points for him, and
I remember just being like, I don't

629
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:59.719
where the Nazarine's not saved enough,
like they see Yeah, yeah, I

630
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.599
don't know, but yeah, if
after happens, we're probably not making the

631
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.119
cut. Sofia I think, I
mean, would we want to good point?

632
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:12.400
Probably not. Do you know about
the pet service that's run by atheists,

633
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:15.800
Yes, yeah, to take in
pets so they'll like watch over your

634
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.320
pet. Ye love that I've heard
of this. Yeah, I've mixed feelings

635
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.800
about it because well, I mean
it is. I mean, I don't

636
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.360
know. I guess it's Is it
a legitimate business? I mean, if

637
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.840
you know that nothing's going to come
out of it, I don't know.

638
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.400
It's kind of it's a little sketchy
to make. There have many instances where

639
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:35.519
people who believe they're raptures coming up
put their animals to sleep instead, and

640
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:39.840
so I would argue that this is
a harm reduction alternative. Okay, all

641
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:44.599
right, that's the point I hadn't
considered. For one point, to Sophia,

642
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:47.719
that's good fever of atheist animal risks. Yes, in any way,

643
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.960
to like that alone, I'm gonna
go to pit it away from the like

644
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.639
dead pets put thing. Oh sorry, But like I definitely think that there's

645
00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:00.079
an outreach the thing. We could
there's a period of website opportunity for somebody

646
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:05.800
more savvy on the time of like
sign up for your favorite rapture date October

647
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.199
thirtieth of twenty twenty four, and
it's like there. I think there's enough

648
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:12.360
of us out there we could we
could at least delay it by one hundred

649
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:14.480
years or so. I think we
could do that, right, Yeah,

650
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.960
if it requires sincere belief, then
I don't know, maybe not, but

651
00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:21.360
like, yeah, I mean if
it's just like, oh you just have

652
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:23.480
to like kind of think about this
in your brain for two seconds and that

653
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.679
delays it and you just had to
put it on a sign up sheet and

654
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.880
yeah, sure, I mean,
be the change you want to see in

655
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:34.400
the world, Liam, Malcolm,
you're starting this. Yeah, yeah,

656
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:37.159
well, thank you so much for
calling in, Liam, Yeah, thank

657
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:38.679
you for calling it. We do
appreciate. We'll go ahead and let you

658
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:43.679
go. But yeah, that was
a nice change of pace until we started

659
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:45.960
talking about the pets thing. And
then I know, I'm sorry, but

660
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.360
Harry'm laughing on the one hand,
being like it makes me feel alive,

661
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.960
but then also like dead pets.
So sorry, I take you for a

662
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.400
roller coaster there. Yeah, but
maybe we can light in the mood with

663
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:57.679
this super chat. We have one
from Ben nine. You want to read

664
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:01.639
this one? Sure? Ben nine
sent nine, So that's pretty cool.

665
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:07.480
Yeah. Money is a major factor
in how some partnerships are modeled. Not

666
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:12.199
the best reason for saying in a
sometime failed relationship, but money is a

667
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.360
factor. Money is a factor.
It's very true. And I think that

668
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:19.559
you know, thinking about what resources
folks have access to is definitely a good

669
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.960
way to have compassion for someone in
a relationship that you don't understand why they're

670
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:28.400
still in You know, that's true. You're totally right. Yeah, it's

671
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.840
probably better to be honest about those
kinds of you know, arrangements too,

672
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.320
instead of just being like, oh, like this is just yeah, I

673
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.199
don't know. I'd rather people be
honest about them pretend like it's not a

674
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.719
factor either. So yeah, but
anyway, we have some more callers comment

675
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:44.639
in, Sophia, I think you
should also intro his next one here.

676
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.480
So what do we got? So
this is Steve. He him from Florida.

677
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:53.599
Steve is saying creeping religious fascism and
atheists fighting to prevent a theocracy.

678
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:58.239
So I'm curious what this will be
about. Yes, all right, is

679
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.440
that Steve, Steve, You're live
on talking than what's going on? Well,

680
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:06.840
first of all, I must tell
you that your show and all of

681
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:14.119
the ACA and a TA adjacent shows
are among the most intelligent, well run,

682
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:22.039
interesting, sometimes comically fascinating and helpful
of any talk show content available.

683
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:27.920
And I am in the media,
So this is an objective and objective evaluation

684
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.000
and you can be very proud for
what for what you have achieved. Thank

685
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:36.280
you, Steve from Florida. We
have an objective evaluation, Steve from Florida.

686
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.039
So that's yeah, that's I'm going
to put that on my resume from

687
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:42.840
Florida. Yeah, Steve, you
want to you think I'm doing a bad

688
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:45.519
job, call up Steve from Florida. Okay, he knows, he knows

689
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:49.440
what I'm about, all right.
I also feel like that's that's such a

690
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.039
nice compliment to like all of the
different people who work on the shows and

691
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.400
all of the different hosts. So
that's really what we think when we thank

692
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:58.079
the crew at the end of the
show. We do meet it. There's

693
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.159
a lot of people that help put
this stuff together. So thank you so

694
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.039
much for that compliment. But tell
us more about this, uh, this

695
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:07.119
topic that you want to talk about. Well, one thing about how great

696
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:12.800
your crew and team is is that
your call screener was exceptionally professional and advised

697
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:20.960
me prudently not to be explicit in
my concerns about religious fascism and cross the

698
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:27.239
line into political partisanship, which could
endanger your nonprofit. That's right, We

699
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:34.480
are very prudent call screeners. We
have this all right, Yes, but

700
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:40.840
just but here, living here in
Florida, you can see the collusion between

701
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:49.519
you know, some people with political
power and the religious industry. And really

702
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:53.840
that's the first foundation of it.
Religion in the United States is a industry

703
00:43:54.199 --> 00:44:04.000
that has tax exempt nonprofit status but
is slutely a retail industry selling versions of

704
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:09.880
salvation and personal guidance with huge profits
and no oversight whatsoever. Number two,

705
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:17.000
these businesses, which I remember that
saying that religion is the opiate of the

706
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:22.679
masses, these sentinel these spiritual sentinel
dealers. Not only do they not have

707
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:28.079
to pay taxes or have any scrutiny
on all the money they rake in from

708
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:34.239
the faithful and the deluded, they
also are allowed to be political from the

709
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.679
pulpit, even though it's a violation
of various laws which are never enforced,

710
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:46.840
including IRS provisions we shouldn't should apply
to them. Yeah, right, right,

711
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:52.239
You guys are are cautiously worried about
me saying something that could get you

712
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:58.760
in trouble. But from the pulpits
of megachurches with thirty thousand people in attendance,

713
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:04.519
people are being told things such as
women should really be property of men,

714
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:12.039
and the state Handmaid's Tale hate anyone
who is not like you, especially

715
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:17.320
if they don't fall in love and
make love the way you do. If

716
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:23.840
people are not religious, they should
be shut down, they should be exercised

717
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:29.920
by Supreme Court rulings. And it's
being installed in law, especially in so

718
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:35.920
called public education, which here in
Florida, tens of millions of taxpayer dollars

719
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:42.920
are being handed with no strings attached
and no oversight to so called religious private

720
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:49.880
charter schools that are all about indoctrination. And that's called taxpayer funded education.

721
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:52.440
It is scary. I feel like
I would have a lot of and I'm

722
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:54.719
sensing this for me too, you
know, being here in Texas, like

723
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:59.960
sometimes get very angry because it feels
like this overwhelming force. You're right,

724
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:04.400
religion give me this industry, and
so it feels so frustrating sometimes and so

725
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:08.599
overwhelming to feel like you're advocating for
a free free thought or independence. And

726
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:13.400
then you see like I don't prager
you is now allowed in Florida public schools

727
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.760
as an instructional material. When you
see something like that, it feels like

728
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.519
we're going backwards as a culture.
Yes, rough, Texas and Florida.

729
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.360
I got to say to you go
ahead, Steve, you no can I

730
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:29.840
just say, as a woman in
Texas, I got to say to you

731
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:35.519
that Gillyad from the Handmaids Tale.
I mean, what they've what the Texas

732
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:39.119
power elite have said to you as
a female, is that the state owns

733
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:45.320
you, and also your neighbors who
oppose your reproductive rights on you too,

734
00:46:45.639 --> 00:46:49.320
and your and a man owns you. Is he met? I mean,

735
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.320
look, but that isn't I mean
the same thing has happened here in Florida.

736
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:57.119
Yeah, it's atrocious. Not just
The main reason I called today is

737
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:02.920
I just heard we have a congressional
representative named Anna Paulina Luna. Now that

738
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:08.840
she is a very clever lady,
and she and some of her allies are

739
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:15.519
pushing this idea that the Constitution doesn't
say there is freedom of religion, nor

740
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:22.239
does it but it says that you
don't have any freedom from religion, and

741
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:30.559
that the Constitution authorizes state enforced religion, and that the First Amendment doesn't say

742
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:36.119
what we atheists and other rational even
religious people think it says, which is

743
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:40.519
that the government cannot give favor to
religion and allow religion to be a state

744
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:46.320
sponsored institution. That forces its way
into people's lives. But the folks that

745
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:52.920
are against they say that they will
force religion into our lives. They are

746
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:55.840
going to force it into our lives, and that it'll go to the Supreme

747
00:47:55.880 --> 00:48:00.119
Court. And we all know who
runs that organization right now. It is

748
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:04.599
Look the main thing I'll say and
then I'll get off of here. First

749
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:08.000
of all, this show should have
tens of thousands of live viewers right now

750
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:14.719
and huge amounts of money. Number
two, Atheists or not just fighting against

751
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:20.320
stupid ideas and delusions that come from
the Bronze Age or from weird stuff like

752
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:24.719
OURFK Junior, et cetera. Atheists
are fighting to keep America a democracy,

753
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:30.599
a secular democracy, and a place
where each of us gets to decide how

754
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:37.280
we will conduct our lives. If
we don't defeat those who seek to install

755
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.920
religion as a theocracy, we will
end up in a very bad situation,

756
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.119
and it could happen quickly. Yes, yeah, I think you're you know,

757
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:47.920
I look at religion in government like
cheating in relationships. If yeah,

758
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:51.199
they're willing to do it for you, they'll do it to you. So

759
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.199
I look at if you install a
theocracy, if you put religion more and

760
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:58.519
more into government. I think a
lot of religious folks don't realize that the

761
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:01.920
more that is broad to the four, the more that more power religion has,

762
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:07.719
they will also end up on the
getting the short end of the stick.

763
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.000
They will also end up being told
what they can and can't say,

764
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:13.880
what they can and can't wear,
or can and can't do. And it's

765
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.719
it's interesting to me that it creeps
in this idea that well, well I

766
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:21.440
kind of agree. I mean,
you know, it would be nice if

767
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:23.199
more moms could be in the home
to raise their kids. That's good,

768
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:27.440
I agree with that. I like
that. And then it becomes a loss

769
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:31.320
of rights. And you know,
this material is being used in public schools

770
00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:39.119
that are overtly religious. It does
creep up pretty hard. And so yeah,

771
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:43.159
I agree with you. If I
can enter something you just brought up

772
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:50.519
there is that they are now the
the anti abortion, anti reproductive freedom marketers

773
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:55.480
have very cleverty shifted their marketing pitch
to exactly what you just said. There

774
00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:05.360
are there are now politicians and government
officials pushing the subsidization of motherhood, the

775
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:10.280
giving special tax benefits beyond what are
already given, if not outright bonuses and

776
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:16.480
payments to encourage people to bear children
and in a way to penalize those who's

777
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:22.800
Jews not to Indeed, our tax
code already does give advantage to those who

778
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:28.320
make children. It is a very
strange situation, and I urge everyone who's

779
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:32.960
listening to share this show, share
the entire ACA experience, because if we

780
00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:39.840
don't have more rational, secular or
at least rational spiritual people, some of

781
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:45.559
the good religious people, like the
Muslim guy that's been having a conversation with

782
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:51.280
Matt on his shows, not during
those crazy debates where the Muslim guy basically

783
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:55.199
almost threatens to kill Matt. But
we need everybody to get together because if

784
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:59.920
you look at books like The Rise
and Fall of the Third Rights, Hitler

785
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:04.679
was just Hitler and his boys were
just a little bitty band of violent,

786
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.039
weird bullies until they took over the
country. Well, I'm gonna end by

787
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:14.639
emphasizing your lovely plug for more people
watching this show. I absolutely agree with

788
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:19.159
that and appreciate you calling in.
I think, yeah, yeah, it's

789
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:21.639
something I do want to put out
there, though I think it can get

790
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:25.039
really overwhelming and really frustrating. Like
I kind of mentioned earlier, but remembering

791
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:30.559
that there have always been people like
us, people who think differently, people

792
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.599
who want to agitate, who don't
accept that the world needs to be theocratic

793
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:38.519
even when it was far more so. Maybe we look to the helpers of

794
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:44.559
secular democracy. We look to people
who are advocating for that at least a

795
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.360
little bit, just so that we
don't feel overwhelmed by Yeah, you know,

796
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:51.000
there's a reason why. In our
mission statement at the beginning of the

797
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:52.199
show that we read every single time, one of the things we say is

798
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:57.000
we advocate for the separation of religion
and state. Right, this is a

799
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:00.719
big deal. How what he's talking
about here at this reinterpretation the First Amendment,

800
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:04.119
Thomas Jefferson came up with the wall
of separation, right, this idea

801
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:07.440
of this sort of separation. So
there's been this reinterpretation, this revisionist history

802
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.559
by Christian nationalists who are talking about
this and saying, well, look,

803
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:14.559
this is just coming from a letter, This isn't actually written in the Constitution,

804
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:16.079
And you know, they add these
different ideas and it's like there is

805
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:21.840
sort of this effort to sort of
retroactively change history and change its intentions.

806
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.559
But even more so, to change
the liberties that we currently exist with today,

807
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:28.719
and that includes this idea that yeah, Christian nationalism is not just like

808
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:31.480
this buzzword anymore, like it is
becoming a real thing. So that's why

809
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.440
I mean, that's part of the
reason why I'm here. I do take

810
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.559
this seriously. Like, you know, whether you choose to donate or not,

811
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:38.800
just be aware like most of us
who are doing this stuff, we're

812
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:42.440
volunteers, Sophia and I. We
don't get paid to do this, right

813
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:45.320
like as a nonprofit, you can
see where the money is being used for.

814
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:49.000
It's one of the reasons why I
like volunteering. So yeah, if

815
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.880
you support the ACA and our advocacy
for separation and church and state, we

816
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.920
do appreciate it, and we are
trying to fight the good fight. On

817
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:59.320
that note. Actually, we have
a couple of supporters that we need to

818
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:01.199
read right now. I'll talk the
first one here. It's from Kelly Laughlin

819
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:06.119
who's donating five dollars. Love Kelly, who says, great job, Sophia,

820
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:08.280
so glad we got to meet and
always lots of love for you.

821
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:13.320
Dan, Scott Dicky said hi to
thank you Scott Dicky, Thank you Kelly

822
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.320
as well. Thank you very cool. You want to read this next one?

823
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:21.639
Yeah, it's from Miranda Rensburger.
She sent us five dollars. Thank

824
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:24.239
you very much, Miranda. I'm
really enjoying what Sophia has to say.

825
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:28.880
Great job, well, thank you
Miranda. Yeah, I appreciate that a

826
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.920
lot. Yeah, we got apedivists
also, who's a pisstivist excuse me?

827
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:35.719
Who gives five dollars a no message? Thank you so much for that.

828
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:38.159
And last week we have Roger Wenzel
who gives nine ninety nine, who says,

829
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:42.960
take this ten bucks and fight the
Christo fascist. I love it.

830
00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:45.840
Yeah, I remember a lot about
that. But Christine fashist as new my

831
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.679
new favorite term. That and the
religious industry. I feel like I'm taking

832
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:52.559
those away from today. Yeah,
what did you say earlier? You said,

833
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:54.199
like if what about people to cheat? If they Oh yeah, I

834
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:57.440
want to like snap. I want
to do like a z snap for that

835
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:00.719
that religion and government is like it
is like cheating in a relationship. If

836
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:05.079
they'll do it for you, they'll
do it to you. So yeah,

837
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.159
that's I like that. Thank you
Before we get to next caller. Actually,

838
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.519
I think we should thank some more
people who actually help out with the

839
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.239
show. We do have our top
five patrons, So if you do donate

840
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:19.119
on the Patron, thank you guys
so much. Of course, I think

841
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.440
everybody who donates on the Talk Heath
and Patron in particular, But on this

842
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:24.960
show we give shout outs to the
top five patrons every week in a special

843
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.320
honorable mention. So Sophia, I'm
gonna let you take it today and start

844
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.760
right start the reading there. We'll
see if I can say all of these

845
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:37.079
correctly. But I also just love
them. So Number one we have Dingleberry

846
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:43.360
Jackson, which is wonderful. Number
two oops all singularity, Yes, amazing.

847
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:47.519
Number three Devoor Valjean ye Valian.
I'm not sure how we say that,

848
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:52.679
Jay or Davar Devoor Do you know
it's you know, I don't think

849
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:55.079
he's ever actually he's never contacted me, instid. I was saying his name

850
00:54:55.079 --> 00:55:00.639
wrong, Okay, So I'm assuming
we thank David either way, whether we're

851
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:04.760
pronouncing his name or their name wrong
or not. You know, I hope

852
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:08.320
you know that I appreciate you so
much, no matter how your name is

853
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:16.440
said. Number four Helvetti, Yes
you got Number five is left in the

854
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:22.400
leaves and there's an honorable mention with
for jose Huerica. I am terrible.

855
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:24.760
That's how I would say right now. So thank you, Thank you guys

856
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:29.880
so much for donating on that.
We do appreciate it. And I'm going

857
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.199
to I'm going to take up the
next call. Here we have David who's

858
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:37.960
calling in from Indiana, and David
wants to ask us info on how to

859
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:44.119
raise their child with and explain why
you don't have relative relationships with a lot

860
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:46.119
of relatives with different views. David, you're live on Talk Heathen. What's

861
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:49.559
up, Hey, guys, how
are you doing? Good? Good?

862
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.159
I'm going to tell you this right
now. I can give you. I

863
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:54.559
can tell you my perspective on things
until I'm blue in the face. But

864
00:55:54.639 --> 00:56:00.159
I don't have any kids, and
so I can't. I can't get you

865
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:02.400
that direct experience that you want.
I have worked with kids, I've worked

866
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:05.920
with you know, all kinds of
people. So I'll tell you how it

867
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:07.159
is, but but tell us about
your situation, David, what's going on?

868
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:10.239
So my son is, he's three
years old, getting ready to be

869
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:15.199
four here soon, and I've started
really thinking about because there are some people

870
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:20.480
in my life fame moment. I've
had to cut out for very various reasons,

871
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:24.760
some ranging from extream you know,
I guess you could say minor things,

872
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:29.079
but enough to work. It makes
me so uncomfortable about what they're saying.

873
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:31.519
And you know, obviously I don't
want to tell my son, hey,

874
00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:36.000
you can't talk to these people because
I don't. I don't, I

875
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:37.760
don't agree with them. I don't
want to do that. But you know,

876
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:42.280
I have started realizing that, you
know, there's going to come a

877
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:46.000
time to where he's gonna ask why
or is it this person here? Or

878
00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:50.639
why is it that person here?
And obviously I'm going to have to explain

879
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:55.440
him the situation. So how how
what would be the best way to explain

880
00:56:55.480 --> 00:57:00.880
to him about what's going on?
So I think my first thought there might

881
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:04.400
not be a There's not a perfect
way. The idea of best is going

882
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:07.679
to depend a little bit on you
and a little bit on who your child

883
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:09.760
is and what their personality is.
Like I think a good rule of thumb

884
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:14.960
is to talk to children about what
your values are. So, you know,

885
00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:17.840
we're a family who loves and respects
people, and there are some other

886
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:22.440
people we know who they have a
hard time doing that, and so we

887
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:27.079
don't spend much time with them because
I want to make sure that we're all

888
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:30.320
around people who love and respect each
other. I've heard some families have success

889
00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:34.360
with talking about you know, sometimes
you need to be put in time out,

890
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.000
or sometimes you need a break so
that you can think about how you

891
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:39.880
want to act. Sometimes grown ups
need that too. Sometimes there are grown

892
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:44.760
ups who they're just not quite quite
behaving in a way that we need to

893
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:47.840
be around them right now. I
think that at a very simple level that

894
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:52.840
that usually is an okay play place
to start. As they get a little

895
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:57.719
older, I think that you can
talk a little bit more too about about

896
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.840
safety and about you know, a
matter to be safe in our feelings,

897
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:06.320
matters to be safe in our bodies. And so there are some people that

898
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:09.239
make me feel like they might not
be the safest people to be around,

899
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:14.639
and so we don't spend a lot
of time with them. And maybe as

900
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:16.920
we get older, we can think
about if we want to want to give

901
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:20.840
them a chance and see how see
how they act. But for now we're

902
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.400
going to focus on on staying safe
and you know, re emphasizing I think

903
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:28.559
with sometimes kids can look at an
adult's family and see they don't talk to

904
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.119
a family member, and it can
occur to them that, well, are

905
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.639
they going to stop talking to me
too? You know that sort of anxiety.

906
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:36.760
So re emphasizing that, you know, I love you so much,

907
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:39.239
I will never leave you. You
know, we are our own great family.

908
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:44.079
And then let's think about all the
other wonderful adults we have in our

909
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:46.800
lives, all the other wonderful people. Sometimes it can be helpful to list

910
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:51.480
them. Oh, we have you
know Auntie Maria, we have you know

911
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:54.559
Uncle Jacob, Like they're great,
or we have you know, your your

912
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:58.360
friend Ernie, his mom and dad, they're so fun. Huh, Like

913
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:00.760
they're great and they're so they may
you know how to maybe not telling them

914
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:04.400
they make you feel safe, but
asking like how do you feel when you're

915
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:07.360
with them? So they can start
to develop this internal sense of how they

916
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:10.159
should feel around people who love and
respect them. So, I know,

917
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:14.239
that's like a lot of information,
and there is no perfect way. You

918
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:16.840
know, I'm raising a boy.
He's now only fifteen months, so I'm

919
00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:21.239
not quite to that point yet.
But there are some people that are going

920
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:22.519
to be around him, that are
going to be interesting, and I think

921
00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:25.519
we're gonna have to set some boundaries
and say things like, you know,

922
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:30.400
hey, that's not conversation we have
right now around around him, and that's

923
00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:34.480
a boundary of mine. So I
can take myself out of myself and my

924
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:36.880
child out of this situation. I
know I can't tell you what to do

925
00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:38.480
or say, but I'm going to
make sure that that he's always safe.

926
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:43.760
So yeah, that's that's rough.
Though. I applaud your putting your child's

927
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:47.440
need first here and trying to figure
out how to navigate that. No notes,

928
00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:53.599
David, what do you think?
And I have had to do that

929
00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:58.519
with some people on some time,
Remember I am. I am really hoping

930
00:59:58.639 --> 01:00:00.559
that I can improve kinds with some
more, you know, help them to

931
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:06.639
maybe understand my point a little better. And I have had to pull myself

932
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:09.960
out of it because I realized if
I don't do this, it's gonna make

933
01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:15.159
me miserable and it's going to show. So I had to step back to

934
01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:20.199
help myself before I could and think
about it before I could really take any

935
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:22.599
action on it. Yeah. I
think that's a great thing that you're considering

936
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:27.199
that, and you're considering your child's
point of view as well. I don't

937
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:30.440
know if parents always do that when
they talk about these sensitive situations, because

938
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:34.159
I personally, in my opinion,
right a kid that young, they're not

939
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:37.679
going to understand the matter of facts
of the situation, but they may understand

940
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.400
feelings before they understand facts. Right, They're going to see how you approach

941
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:45.559
it and what your emotional response is
that and probably process that first before they

942
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:49.199
even understand the literal facts of the
matter. And I think being able to

943
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:52.760
navigate that and be able to present
that in a way that makes sense and

944
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:55.880
I don't know, it's just going
to help with their expectations of that relationship

945
01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.360
is probably the healthiest thing you could
do, right, So sound like a

946
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:04.199
lovely dad, Yeah, for sure, for sure, David, I think

947
01:01:04.239 --> 01:01:07.719
that's that's that's all the wisdom that
comes from this fount, unless you have

948
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:12.079
any other questions or comments for us, No, that's that is actually helped

949
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:15.239
me quite a bit. I appreciate
that. I so glad. I definitely

950
01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.639
don't want to I definitely don't want
to tell my son, like again,

951
01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:22.159
you can't talk to this person because
yeah, I don't agree with them,

952
01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:24.400
or they're doing this, or they're
doing that, and someday they're gonna have

953
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:28.960
to make those choices for themselves too, so you can't functionally, I think

954
01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:31.119
about it. Even with my I
don't know that I can tell my fifteen

955
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:35.880
month old what to do. To
be honest, that's I try, but

956
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.360
it's bad. But you know they're
gonna it's more important for them to figure

957
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:43.559
out how to make those decisions themselves, how they want to feel in they're

958
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:46.920
with people and see you making values
based decisions to protect them. That's way

959
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:51.039
more important, Yeah, than telling
them like you can't do this because I

960
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:53.559
decided it's bad, you know.
Yeah, yeah, that's I don't know.

961
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:55.360
Like I said, I don't think
we have anything more to add,

962
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:59.559
but you ended up adding more.
So that was that was great, No,

963
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:01.440
it was it was great. Thanks
so much David for calling in on

964
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:04.440
that, and we'll go ahead,
let you go. But yeah, I

965
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:07.719
honestly, the fact that you're calling
in and asking us first of all,

966
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.199
you don't need my opinion, Sophia's
was great, but it's like you're putting

967
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:13.639
thought into it. I think that
you should give yourself credit for that.

968
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.360
Honestly, I think thinking about things
from a child's perspective. Even sometimes the

969
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:21.519
most well meaning parent can devalue what
it is to be a kid and that

970
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:27.039
their experiences are epic and huge and
emotions matter. Yes, I'm not a

971
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:30.519
parent take expert either, obviously,
I just alluded to the fact that my

972
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:32.599
fifteen, my bill doesn't you know. There's days when I'm like, Okay,

973
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:37.320
well you're gonna eat goldfish crackers and
a bunch of pouches of I don't

974
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:40.400
know you're fed. Oh yeah,
that's great. I can't wait when he

975
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:44.559
grows older and sees that clip.
I was wondering, Ah, so that's

976
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:49.360
why I messed up, Because it's
in the powder. I will say that.

977
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.239
Plenty of people here at the AC
and make a lot of jokes about

978
01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:54.239
like eating him, like ah,
you brought snacks and when I bring in

979
01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:57.840
this chubby baby. So Sophie,
I know you're new here, but those

980
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.320
aren't jokes. At one point,
I was wondering. At one point,

981
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:02.880
I think I'm seriously there are there's
gonna be a barbecue next month, and

982
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:06.960
we were wondering if you know that
was gonna be an option. Of course

983
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:10.679
I'm quite succulent, but also he's
still pretty small. I'm not going to

984
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:15.039
ask you why you know who that
he's suculent, but I mean it's amazing,

985
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:22.599
all right, Okay, okay,
alright, I think it's cute's next

986
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:25.760
color? Oh my god? Okay, So moving on with this this this

987
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:30.400
show, we have another super chat. It's from Jason Friedman, who gives

988
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:32.400
nine ninety nine and says, do
y'all have hope for the future? Do

989
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:37.920
y'all think these efforts will make lasting
change? Do y'all ever feel fatalistic?

990
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:39.119
And if so, how do you
cope? Love you, Dan, Let

991
01:03:39.199 --> 01:03:43.000
me too, Jason, You're a
good guy. Listen, I feel fatalistic

992
01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:46.400
every day? Are you kidding me? If I give if I've given you

993
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:52.880
any any other pretense that I am, like not worried about the way things

994
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:55.519
are going. I'm sorry that is
a complete facade because I think about this

995
01:03:55.559 --> 01:04:00.400
stuff literally all the time. But
I've learned to compartmentalize it on Colin shows

996
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:02.360
and not, you know, have
it affect my work life? At least

997
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:05.480
it's not as I try to.
I don't know, Like, yeah,

998
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:09.559
of course I'm worried. I wouldn't
be here if I wasn't worried, right,

999
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:13.440
Like I talk about these issues because
I care about it, and sometimes

1000
01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:15.400
it feels like nobody's listening to us. But the truth is, there are

1001
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:18.559
people listening right and there are people
that are making this change. And I

1002
01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:23.800
know I'm trying to do my best
for the skills I have in making it

1003
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:27.000
happen, and so I just have
to leave it at that and hope that

1004
01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:29.320
other people are going to do the
same, and that's all I can do.

1005
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:31.920
Immediately, think of two sayings.
I'm a bit of a quoter.

1006
01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:35.800
The first one A lot of my
family's new Foundlander so that East Coast of

1007
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:42.440
Canada Island people. There's just such
a simple new Fee saying, but do

1008
01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:45.039
your best and don't worry. Like
it's a dictate. It's very blunt,

1009
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:47.800
but I think at some level that's
a bit of all you can do.

1010
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:51.199
But I would also say, so
you might pick up from the fact that

1011
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:55.840
I was just talking about parenting a
lot. I really love mister Rogers.

1012
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:59.639
I think as an adult who cares
about children, he's a great model.

1013
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:03.800
He once said that the greatest thing
you can do is teach others that they

1014
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:08.480
are loved and capable of loving.
And I feel like for me that's sort

1015
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:12.599
of it, like, not only
can I care about you, it's within

1016
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.199
you. It's possible for you to
care about others. Others feel valued in

1017
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:18.599
their lives. That gives me hope. It gives me hope if there's a

1018
01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:23.519
person like mister Rogers who said such
things, you know, and really believe

1019
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:25.840
them and made a huge impact on
the lives of a lot of people.

1020
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.159
It gives me hope that nothing stops
me from doing them every day, nothing

1021
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:34.519
stops me from loving people and helping
them love others too. So I saw

1022
01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:38.079
a movie once called Field the Dreams
that said, if you build it,

1023
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:42.679
they will, So that's that's my
quote. Does have a quote book that

1024
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:46.440
contribution. I don't think it was
as good as yours, but it works.

1025
01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:48.800
We have another super chande. You
want to get this? Yeah?

1026
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:55.400
How did you say this? Activist
sent us ten dollars? It has an

1027
01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:58.559
a is it ten Australian dollars?
I'm not sure? Great show. These

1028
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:01.239
two are so good together. Ye. Yeah, we're killing it. Yeah.

1029
01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:08.320
Appreciation for the mod's shoes, Yes, they're amazing and definitely we appreciate

1030
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:12.159
them so much. Yes, we
definitely definitely. Do we have another one?

1031
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:14.280
In the queue here you're you're in
a role said, do you want

1032
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:18.280
to introduce this one? Okay,
well, okay, so we've got Universal

1033
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:21.360
is the name? Universal is the
name? Yeah, from California. It's

1034
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:26.000
going to be interesting. And they
say they are deeper dimensions to the Bible.

1035
01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:29.920
I want to explain. Let's do
it. Universal, you are about

1036
01:06:29.960 --> 01:06:32.679
to be uh, it will be
if we hit that choco button. There

1037
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:36.159
live, You're now alive on talk
Heathen. What's going on? Universal?

1038
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:42.400
Yes, sir, this is such
an interesting topic. And my theory is

1039
01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:47.960
this is there just like the human
body, it has deeper dimensions from the

1040
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:54.320
skin level to the cellular level.
See. The Bible in that same aspect

1041
01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:59.840
had is the same quality from the
surface to the deeper of the dimensions of

1042
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:02.519
the Bible. See. So when
we talk about the surface, we're talking

1043
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:10.280
about the story and stories. These
stories are interesting because they sold the animal

1044
01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:13.400
in us. See, because we
have an animal, but we also have

1045
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:17.960
another sign. Like I say,
just like the skin is the surface,

1046
01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:24.079
we have a cellular side too.
What's the side in the spirit? Excuse

1047
01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:26.280
me? Oh, I was gonna
I was just gonna something you might be

1048
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:29.679
getting there. What's the cellular side
of the Bible. In this analogy,

1049
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:32.760
that would be your higher self.
See, because we have an animal.

1050
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:39.119
So just like we have an animal, we have a conscious and this conscious

1051
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:43.199
is your higher self. So when
you understand your higherself, you're high.

1052
01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:47.639
Yourself now guides your animals, because
if you don't have a guide towards that

1053
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:54.119
animal, then he remains wild and
domesticated. Yeah. I think if your

1054
01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:58.079
higherself, it's supposed to be driving
universal. I think if you take this

1055
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:01.480
sort of Carl Jungian approach to the
Bible and like to other forms of literature,

1056
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:04.760
I think you can maybe even get
great I would even pose it and

1057
01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:09.400
say great forms of spiritual development for
yourself. You may learn something about yourself

1058
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:12.880
that you didn't realize before, or
something about humanity. And maybe maybe there's

1059
01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:15.439
a truth there that is meaningful to
you. And if that is the case,

1060
01:08:15.600 --> 01:08:18.279
that is great for the rest of
us. It's really hard for us

1061
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:21.399
to look at the Bible that way
for a couple of reasons, and the

1062
01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:25.880
biggest one, at least for me, is the way that it's being interpreted

1063
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:29.600
by everybody else. Because just because
you have this great and wonderful and fantastic

1064
01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:33.039
and detailed theory of how the Bible
just makes sense and it explains everything.

1065
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:39.520
The guy down the street that's advocating
for Christian nationalism is well, real quick

1066
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.119
universal the guy down the street.
The guy down the street doesn't have that

1067
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.840
same interpretation, right, And so
the problem I have with this is,

1068
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:48.199
Look, there's a seven billion people
on Earth. There's gonna be eight billion

1069
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:50.960
different versions of the Bible depending on
how you look at I just don't think

1070
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:56.079
it's a reliable way to communicate human
truths, right. I don't think it's

1071
01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:59.039
a reliable way to come to spiritual
development. It may work for you,

1072
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:00.840
and that's great. For the rest
of us. It can be a tool

1073
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:04.920
for oppression as much as it can
be a tool for salvation. So I'd

1074
01:09:05.079 --> 01:09:11.000
rather not use it if I can. Does that make sense? See,

1075
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:16.680
when you see an interpretation, interpretation
is the focal point. It's about what

1076
01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:23.720
you interpret it. Now, if
you rely on other people can interpret it

1077
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:28.359
for you. See that's what your
animal do. Its leads me because it

1078
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:30.479
needs to be lived. I mean, doesn't the Bible advocate for that.

1079
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:38.399
There's universal truths in the Bible that
if you do and follow these universal truths

1080
01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:45.079
these us universal truths take you into
victoriousness in your genius because you're created to

1081
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:48.680
be genius. And this is kind
of sounding like genius mysticism. Like this

1082
01:09:49.039 --> 01:09:51.520
a lot of what you're saying.
I mean, if that's what you think,

1083
01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:56.000
cool, but there's not even evidence
for it in the Bible. The

1084
01:09:56.039 --> 01:10:00.079
Bible doesn't talk in this way about
an animal self and about us a of

1085
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.920
spiritual magic self and how your spirit
is driving you like a bit of like

1086
01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:06.439
a car analogy like we discussed earlier. Yeah, it doesn't talk about you

1087
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:11.079
needing to be a None of this
is coming from the Bible. It kind

1088
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:14.960
of just sounds like it's what you
feel, which is fine, But I

1089
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:18.600
don't really understand advocating for looking at
the Bible for guidance and then saying a

1090
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:21.800
bunch of stuff that doesn't appear anywhere
in it. Yeah, I'm going to

1091
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:26.359
say this universal, but this is
this is, this is what I mean

1092
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:30.760
by skin focus. The skin don't
know what's going on in the outside.

1093
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:34.119
That's why you have to know thyself
to know you more than just your animal.

1094
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:39.399
Now, the animal is not aware, it's not conscious, it's just

1095
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:43.560
react. I mean, you're quoting
Shakespeare to make your argument about the Bible.

1096
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.399
Conscious respond, I conscious respond,
don't know if we're If we're on

1097
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:49.520
the same page here, I think
we need to take a step back.

1098
01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:55.600
But listen as far as interpretations go. Right, I'm assuming you don't speak

1099
01:10:55.760 --> 01:11:00.800
New Testament Greek Greek coin right,
Obviously you don't speak anciently here, Right,

1100
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:03.199
I don't either. I'm relying on
translators who translate the Bible, who

1101
01:11:03.279 --> 01:11:06.399
give their interpretation to the particular words
that are used. I'm also relying on

1102
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:13.000
Biblical commentaries to understand the time and
place in which these books were written and

1103
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:15.960
the origin points of these books.
Right, The truth is at every layer

1104
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.079
when we talk about right, if
you let me finish, if for every

1105
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:21.880
layer when we talk about the Bible, right, like I do have to

1106
01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:26.079
rely on other people because I wasn't
there when the book was written. We're

1107
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:29.560
so out of time and place.
Lay on that point right there. When

1108
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:33.039
you say that, dude, that's
your primitive in your position, I don't

1109
01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:36.760
think that makes me primitive. I
think that makes me a responsible researcher in

1110
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.880
the text that I'm looking at.
I really want to finish my point before

1111
01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.000
I let you finish. So I'm
going to go ahead, mutual and let

1112
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:45.640
me finish my point. Thank you. We have to rely on other people

1113
01:11:45.800 --> 01:11:50.119
to make interpretations. There is no
such thing as a completely independent interpretation of

1114
01:11:50.199 --> 01:11:55.119
events when it comes to reading ancient
texts. That's just that is a that

1115
01:11:55.279 --> 01:11:59.560
is a fantasy. I'm sorry.
You have to rely on other people's ideas

1116
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.000
it comes to the literal words being
taught, the context and understanding of the

1117
01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:09.760
stories that are being presented, and
also your own life experiences and spiritual interpretations,

1118
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:13.039
like there's there's a combination that happens. There this idea that, oh,

1119
01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:15.079
there's this animal side of us and
there's this other side of us.

1120
01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:20.319
I think that's too that's too binary. I don't I don't subscribe to this

1121
01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:26.279
idea. I think it's a limited
worldview by which to interpret ancient texts like

1122
01:12:26.399 --> 01:12:29.399
the Bible. I am on muting
you now, so go ahead, Okay,

1123
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:32.279
So now, I mean you have
a great point, but now this

1124
01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:40.520
is this is what I'm saying.
Anytime you rely depend on man to define

1125
01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:45.600
your position, when you don't gather
it the information yourself, then now you're

1126
01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:49.039
relying on man universal. Are you
not a man? You're relying on divine?

1127
01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:53.319
Are you not a man? Universal? Yes? Why should I listen

1128
01:12:53.359 --> 01:12:57.199
to you? Sir? You are? You are but a man rights and

1129
01:12:57.319 --> 01:12:59.840
I should not rely on man.
And now I don't have to listen to

1130
01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:02.399
you, right you see you see
you see how we can we can kind

1131
01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:08.399
of I know, but these principles
right like like like it sounds like these

1132
01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:12.680
deep spiritual truths that that that somehow
get us to this higher you know,

1133
01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:16.479
interpretation understanding, But we can just
like just just defeat them using simple reason,

1134
01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:20.119
right. I mean, look,
I again, if if the Bible

1135
01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:24.600
gets you somewhere and let's you get
you get something out of it, that's

1136
01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:26.800
great. I'm not here to take
that away from you. What I am

1137
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:30.119
here to say is, look,
your interpretation is just that, it's an

1138
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:33.720
interpretation, just like my interpretation is
interpretation. I don't see why you have

1139
01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:39.399
or your understanding gives you this idea
that you're you now have this hierarchy because

1140
01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:42.960
you are putting other people's beliefs down. Essentially, you're saying, look,

1141
01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:45.199
other people, they don't understand the
Bible, right, and I do because

1142
01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:49.159
I have this magic truth? Right
might throw in there too that anything we

1143
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:53.239
say, you're just saying, oh, well, that's animal, and I

1144
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:56.640
guess if we agree with you,
then maybe that's spiritual. So it's very

1145
01:13:56.680 --> 01:14:00.479
easy to always be right if you
just say everybody else is, you know,

1146
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:02.840
they're they're they're relying on the wrong
things. I am relying on the

1147
01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:05.800
right things, which functionally, when
you say spiritual, it's your feelings.

1148
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:10.199
Yeah, so I don't know really
where we can go with this conversation,

1149
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:13.520
unfortunately, because I feel like we're
going around in circles because it doesn't matter

1150
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:17.840
what we say, because we also
believe we're animals, just without the spiritual's

1151
01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:21.079
side. So yeah, I feel
like we've reached a bit of an impass

1152
01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:24.159
there. I think so too,
And that's why I'm gonna go ahead and

1153
01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:26.199
let you go on this one,
because I do want to get at least

1154
01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:30.960
one more call here before Oh my
goodness, I know we're almost we're almost

1155
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:33.359
getting done here. But yeah,
I would I would hope you could sit

1156
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:36.520
with that for a little bit and
maybe hear what we have to say,

1157
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:41.000
because I know if you're talking,
you're can't you're not listening to us,

1158
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:43.920
right, and that goes for both
both ways. But just just saying it,

1159
01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:46.680
and I think I would like clarification, you know, if there's I'm

1160
01:14:46.960 --> 01:14:50.680
genuinely a little bit confused about where
we were headed. It sounded like mysticism,

1161
01:14:50.760 --> 01:14:54.720
which wasn't quite sure we were going
there either. Yeah, I mean,

1162
01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:58.199
I think I actually find sometimes mysticism
when it's clear you're just like I'm

1163
01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:00.920
making up. It feels good to
me, like that's fine, but it's

1164
01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:04.039
a little boring to have a conversation
about. Yes, evidence, there's nothing

1165
01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:08.119
there to talk about. If there's
some clarity of thought there, that is

1166
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:11.800
a conversation, I'd be willing to
continue. But regardless, let's try to

1167
01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:15.720
get at least this last call in
here we have otari. I believe police

1168
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:19.119
cart me if I'm wrong calling in
from Georgia, the country, not the

1169
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:24.119
state, which is first time for
me. Oh and we just got dropped.

1170
01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:29.680
Oh no, oh, just just
got terminated. There. I said

1171
01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:33.640
they were going to defend misogyny in
the Bible, defend misogyny in the Bible,

1172
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:38.279
And I was like, well,
that's a hot tape, Like what

1173
01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:41.319
are we going to do with this? And now I'm a little bombed out.

1174
01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:45.680
Tell me how I'm lesser than you
daddy. Sorry, I'm sorry Jesus,

1175
01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:50.560
oh my god. All right,
okay, moving on, So with

1176
01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:55.720
that time, I think we man. We just don't have any other calls

1177
01:15:55.840 --> 01:16:00.199
in the queue right now, so
I could just talk to you about you,

1178
01:16:00.159 --> 01:16:02.199
or we could just kind of wrap
things up here. What do you

1179
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:04.600
think, Sophia. I mean,
I don't even know if I'm that interesting.

1180
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:08.439
I wonder if I scared people off
with my sex sax, so sorry

1181
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:12.960
about that. I promise that can
be better Scout's honor. No, no,

1182
01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:16.199
no shame, there's no shame here. I'm just you know, it's

1183
01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:19.279
surprising, that's all. I just
don't expect it. That's what happens.

1184
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:24.880
We'll expect them. It's hilarious,
it's funny, it's I'm I'm enjoying it,

1185
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:28.680
and I'm looking forward to having you
on more shows in the future.

1186
01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:31.039
So I hope we get to have
that happen. If people want to find

1187
01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:33.560
you, where should they go?
Do you have any not? At the

1188
01:16:33.640 --> 01:16:39.840
moment, I've been thinking about thinking
about doing that because people seem to like

1189
01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:44.920
talk into me yeah and and make
a little comments. So so maybe maybe

1190
01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:47.800
next time open in well if you
if you do have comments again, just

1191
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:53.720
reiterate the TV at Atheist Typhon community
is the best way at Eightist typing Community

1192
01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:57.880
dot org is the best way to
email the show, and we get all

1193
01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:01.159
of our stuff from that fee.
And I guess we're gonna try to wrap

1194
01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:05.560
things up here. We got aphists
experience later today with myself in blind Limey,

1195
01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:09.359
so check that out. If you're
watching this stream, you'll probably like

1196
01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:12.840
that too, if you like at
least one of us. So I want

1197
01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:18.119
to reiterate the prompt is what is
inappropriate to say at a religious funeral.

1198
01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:21.960
So we want your reply in the
comments. At the beginning of next week,

1199
01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:27.000
we will hear the top three answers, and I want to hear from

1200
01:17:27.039 --> 01:17:29.560
the crew. Can we give it
to give it thanks to the crew here

1201
01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:34.720
in second get that crew Camas Shop
for making this show happen. We love

1202
01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:38.520
that. And uh, I don't
think maybe we'll do a shot of the

1203
01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:41.319
audience. I don't think we will
though the lights are off and the crew

1204
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:44.279
has not indicated that we will.
That's okay, because we want to thank

1205
01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:46.359
the audience as well. Well,
we'll give it here. There we go.

1206
01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:53.319
We can the middle where there's fewer
people, and I promise there are

1207
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:57.199
more people. The camera is panned
in on like the one empty spot in

1208
01:17:57.279 --> 01:18:00.279
the crowd, which is like really
funny, and maybe that's why, uh,

1209
01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:02.359
they didn't get the indication to do
that. But thank you to everybody

1210
01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:04.279
who showed up live. Just a
reminder, of course, if you want

1211
01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:09.640
to see us live next time October
twenty eighth or ninth. It's one of

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those two which everyone's a Sunday,
which everyone's a Sunday, that's gonna be

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the next one. Oh, we
got a super chat last minute from you

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want to read that one? Alan
Alan Ferguson sent us twenty dollars. Thank

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you Alan, He said, great
show, Sophia and Dan, thank thank

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you, Thank you you Alan Ferguson. Yes, I had a great time

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today and I really enjoyed the show. But now it is time for uh,

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you know the closing love Rings.
I think you should do the love

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rings today, Sophie. You know
about the love rings. Yeah, you

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got charge up your charge up your
energy like this. It's like a villain

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stabula and then you like this,
you like just oh and it effects.

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Isn't that cool? That's magic?
That's actually magic. That's the crew doesn't

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even know what happens. Every time
when you do it, it just kind

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of happens. They've been trying to
fix it because they think it's they think

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it's some sort of electronic interparence,
but nope, that is that's the love.

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For any interference of our love.
Yeah, the love that comes from

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us to the audience, to the
world. So thank you to everybody.

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And if you don't believe, this
is your community and we appreciate you being

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here. If you do believe,
we don't hate you. We're just not

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convinced. Thanks everybody, have a
great rest of your day. I'm a

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Jacta Lee Dane gets. We want
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