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M The following presentation is in now
Marvel Studios Production. Welcome back to truth

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seekers from around the world. It's
time for another edition of The flat Earth

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Files as we re chord on this
Wednesday, May twenty fourth, twenty twenty

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three. And joining us in just
a moment is Michelle have some great information

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to share with you before we get
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let's go ahead and kick things off,

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and we'd like to welcome Michelle to
the show this evening. Michelle, how

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are you. I'm doing well?
Thank you, George. This is kind

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of exciting. You don't know me. We've only talked just a little bit,

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but to me you sound like a
friend because I've been listening to so

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many of your podcasts. Oh well, I greatly appreciate that, and it's

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always good to have folks come on
and to tell their stories and their road

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to the truth, because in some
ways they are unique. But at the

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same time, I get so many
emails that they really resonate with people.

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And sometimes people think, you know, am I the only person who thinks

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like this? But I can assure
you that there's many many people out there,

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not just in your state, in
this country, but around the world

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who are seeing the bigger pictures.
So without any further ado, why don't

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you go ahead and introduce yourself to
the folks at home. Okay, my

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name is Michelle and I live in
California and not the ideal state, but

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that's where God has placed us for
now. Yeah. Interestingly, during the

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pandemic, we were in Florida,
and we actually moved back to California,

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which is my home state, in
twenty twenty December twenty twenty, and there's

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some interesting insights into how people handled
the pandemic Versliforny versus Florida, which might

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actually surprise you. But I live
with my husband and I'm taking care of

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my one hundred year old grandma.
Wow. And it's been an exciting challenge.

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She's been with us now for just
over a year. And of course

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I've mentioned in one of my emails
that we have this potential flooding coming down

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the pike. So it's just trying
to navigate the future is something that's a

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big part of our life right now. You know, that's right. I

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completely forgot. You had to email
me about the levy and then there was

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some a story from a news agency
and I did do a little research,

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and then you know, I get
other emails and I completely forgot about this,

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you know, the weather control and
it was a levy situation or a

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damn right, it's a yeah.
It was a dam that they raised about

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I guess sixteen feet and they started
the project quite a while ago, and

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locals kind of had the idea like
they didn't really need to do it.

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It just didn't make sense why they
were wanting to fix the dam. That

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was their big thing. Fix the
dam. Well, fixing the dam turned

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into raising the dam and creating this
labyrinth, weird new extra spillway and then

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a third spillway, and it's just
very interesting the history and the actual construction

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project. But in nineteen eighty three, the lake reached capacity and actually went

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like six point five feet over capacity. And at that time I was living

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here, and the park was underwater, the airport was underwater, and it

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was like right up to the roads. And so I saw it, I

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lived through it. I know what
could happen. And now they raised the

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dam sixteen feet and because of some
potential flooding activity that we've never seen before.

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But that's because you know, they
have all their little stories, and

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it's very interesting. We had this
hydrologic you know, an atmospheric river they

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call it, in March, and
California has been having a lot of these

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where they just have this massive influx
of water, and so we had we

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have the highest snowmelt that we've I
mean snowpack that we've ever had, which

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feeds into the current river, which
feeds into the lake. And so there's

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a potential of this nineteen eighty three
happening again, but worse. But nobody's

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talking about our valley, like what
could happen in our valley. They're only

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talking about what could happen downstream in
Bakersfield, which is the big city,

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which I mean they're facing potential flooding
too, so kind of a rabbit trail.

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But yeah, for sure, because
you had heard this from folks in

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the four Service, FEMA, the
county Fire Department, and even some people

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in the medical establishment. Yet you
said, nobody is really warning the people,

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and this was from several weeks ago. Is this still there's been no

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warnings publicly about this, nothing at
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we first had moved back here,
I when I realized that they had raised

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the damn sixteen feet, they had
like this meeting where you could go at

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zoom call and talk to the core
of engineer about what's going on and about

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the dam and its progress and stuff. And so I asked for some maps

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of the valley if it reaches this
new potential flooding that they're expecting, if

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if I could have some maps,
not downstream like from Bakersfield, upstream,

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and they looked around and I read
into people. I do read into things,

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and I read people's faces, and
it was a very sheepish response.

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We had those maps, right,
and oh, of course we do.

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Yes, just contact and I have
a name, Just contact this person and

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we will make sure you get those
maps, and so I contacted them.

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They sent me maps at Bakersfield and
I so I emailed them back and I

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said, no, I'm actually looking
for maps of what could happen in this

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potential event in the current river valley
around the lake upstream. And I never

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heard back from them, and other
people have given similar reports that they've asked

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for the data. The interesting thing
about it is, I don't know if

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you're familiar with Agenda twenty one.
Oh yeah, of course, yeah,

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Agenda okay, And of course I
guess wanted Agenda thirty now. So I

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was introduced to this back I don't
know, twenty years ago or so,

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but you know, I was young
and stupid and it didn't really matter.

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And so when I started seeing what's
going on with the flooding potential up here,

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I just started doing little research into
it because I was curious, and

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found out, of course, that
we're in the red zone from the maps

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that somebody I had created. You
might have more information on this because I

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just touched on it. But they
had create the maps of the areas that

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were supposed to be like highly restricted
or no humans at all, and had

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presented them to Congress from the treaty
that President Bush had signed called it had

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something to do with the Center for
Biological Diversity. It was all connected.

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And but when they saw the maps, from what I understood where my research

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took me, is that they would
not ratify that treaty and so supposedly it's

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not in force yet we're seeing it
play out in the world with all the

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sustainable development goals and all of that. So so the interesting thing that the

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point that I was trying to get
to is that when I started talking to

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people about the potential flooding up here
and that they would not supply me with

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maps. You know, at first, people were just laughing at me,

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Oh, there's no potential to flood
And I mean, one person had the

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audacity to send me a private message
just to let me know that I was

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an effing idiot for even talking about
this, and it just, I mean,

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it just it floored me. I
didn't know what to think, you

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know, it just seems so strange. And so I started contacting people locals

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and saying, are you aware of
this potential flooding? And I finally connected

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with the right person and she said, you know, somebody else just told

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me the same exact thing, and
I thought she was ridiculous. But now

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that you mentioned it, and now
that you share it like that, I

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understand what you mean. And so
we kind of started a little group of

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people pray and prep Curtain River Valley
on Facebook and we're just sharing information.

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But in the process Kathy by the
friend who had that were kind of working

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together with, she directed me to
this document that was put out by the

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Sequoia Forest Keepers in conjunction with the
Center for Biological Diversity, which these are

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the people who are behind these agendas
to get people out of the valley.

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Well or not out of the valley, that's how it specifically applies to me,

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but to get people out of the
rural areas and into the city.

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And so they actually had put together
this paper and it was sometime before twenty

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seventeen, and in the paper it
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It was really they were saying,
you really shouldn't be raising the dam,

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and here's why potential flooding roads closed, over the French Gold Bridge closed.

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And of course then they had throw
in some little environmental things like the habitat

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for certain things, certain animals and
then they provided the flood maps. These

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are the exact maps that I was
asking from the United States Corps of Engineer,

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Army Corp of Engineer, and they
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Center, the forest Keeper and Center
for Biological Diversity they had put together the

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map and they're they're devastating of what
could happen up here in this potential event

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if all the everything, all the
pieces are in place, like you have

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the incredible snowpack, you have fires, which we have all the time.

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And so anyway, um, you
know what you just laid out is I

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didn't mean to cut you off.
I'm sorry, but for the for the

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listeners, which you have to look
at the bigger picture here. Think back

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to just a couple of months ago
with East Palestine, a rural community.

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In a matter of time, you're
going to hear these people are going to

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have to leave, and you hear
what could happen here in the Bakersfield,

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California area. John Kerry just came
out the other day, he's the climates

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are here for the United States.
They're talking about if these farmers don't um

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do this, you know, carbon
whatever, right, if they don't adapt

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to the climate pledge that the United
States can confiscate farms. It's about controlling

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our food and pushing people out of
rural communities into cities, these fifteen minute

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cities where you are controlled bingo.
Of course, you know it's at this

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point it's still slight speculation. It's
just that everything is leading to that potential,

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and it's just a potential, but
there is a potential, and they're

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not talking about the potential even and
that's where I'm really frustrated with our government

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agencies that I don't trust anyway.
Yeah, and there is a fifteen minute

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city that is already kicked off in
Canada, and I want to say it's

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in Edmonton, one of the maybe
it's a suburb of Edmonton, but they've

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already kicked off. I think this
is a trial run for it. I

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mean, I think twenty thirty is
the end game. I think by twenty

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thirty, they would love to have
everybody, you know, digital currency,

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and you see the there's already EESG
scores for corporations. They want to probably

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incorporate this into our credit score.
Right, maybe you make all your payments

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and you don't have any debt,
but you know that Facebook post talking about

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you know, the President Biden that's
going to detect thirty points from your credit

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score. You know, people might
say, well, that's crazy, But

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if you just take a moment and
think what has happened to this country just

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over the past three years, well
you better open your eyes. It's happening

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fast, George. It is.
It certainly is. If you look at

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life from the end of World War
Two into almost forty to fifty years,

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there wasn't that much of a slope
when the Bush took over, and actually

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in the eighty because you had Reagan
who took all the vaccine companies off the

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hook in nineteen eighty six, and
then they started passing all these little loopholes.

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Twenty eleven, Obama assigned the NDA
for twenty eleven, which allowed the

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government to come up and snatch you
up without any trial. Twenty twelve with

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zea Smith month Modernization Act, which
allowed propaganda to be placed on its own

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people. And you know, in
the last decade, what a slippery slope.

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And people keep saying all that won't
happen, But my goodness, just

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look over since nine to eleven,
how many of our freedoms have been taken

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away from us. Yeah, I
know it's it's scary in the short term,

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but I do believe that there's hope
for the long term. Why don't

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you talk about that. Well,
I think that we have in America and

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maybe in the civilized world, been
indoctrinated in many things, obviously not just

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the globe, but we've been indoctrinated
with a false understanding of the Gospel of

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Jesus Christ. And it started in
the eighteen hundreds, I believe, with

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a man called John Nelson Derby who
popularized or he started the popularized movement of

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the idea of dispensationalism, which if
you really just pinpoint it down to one

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thought, and it's not just dispensationalism
that has this same kind of error.

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But if you were to pinpoint it
just down to one thought, it's that

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the devil wins down here. We
don't. We don't. Christians don't win

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until we go to Heaven. And
I have come, just as I came

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to flat to understand that the earth
is flat, in the nature of the

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cosmos and how God created it based
on the Bible and evidence. I had

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been indoctrinated in the false idea and
that the devil wins down here, we

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lose. And so it really led
me in my younger days just to not

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really care about the future. I
didn't think about it in a I didn't

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think about it in a positive way, like I should plan, I should

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save, I should build culture,
I should you do anything to be worried

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about the future, because I just
thought it was going to come to an

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end. The Lord is going to
return, and I was going to get

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raptured out of here, and and
I wouldn't have to worry about the future.

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And and so this is an idea, and it's it's pretty popular in

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the flat Earth movement as well,
sadly, which has been It's been interesting

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on my journey because I've been looking
at so many different sources of knowledge and

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information and I'm clean good stuff from
everybody, but there's so many different views

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out there. And so that's why
I thought, you know, I need

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to put my voice out there too, just to present another idea about the

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future. And that is really one
of hope. And and it starts it

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doesn't start in the New Testament.
The hope starts in the Old Testament.

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And it's really what is God's purpose? Why did he create humans. You

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know, he gave us this beautiful
earth in this garden. Of course sin

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took that all away, so was
that it it was just going to be

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sin and death forever. Is that
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of that Messiah or the we had
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going to be one who was going
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And so there you have it in
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just sin playing out throughout the Old
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and his law, and every time
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But God says that he gave us
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wants to bless us. And that's
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the fact this connection between obedience and
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to God's law, but it's not
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because a love, a love for
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picks right back up on that.
You know, if you love me,

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you will obey me, and it's
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It's in First John I believe,
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is the love of God that you
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not burdensome. And so that's a
work that God does in our hearts only

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through the power of the Holy Spirit
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belief system, and then we see
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the message of the New Testament,
that he came to it says in First

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John, also he came to destroy
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had for most of my life looked
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to be destroyed till the end or
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enough for salvation into heaven. But
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one, two, three, and
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did. It says he triumphed over
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his demons. He made a public
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that Jesus Christ could have pre eminence
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the Christian life. That's the goal
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be proclaiming Christ over all things,
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that and because we've lost that we're
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we don't think we're gonna win.
I mean, if somebody's giving you a

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pet pop, Okay, George,
we're gonna play baseball today. You're gonna

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lose, Okay, but that's okay
because we're gonna have some really good ice

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cream afterwards, and you're we're going
to get a trophy too, and all

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kinds of good things about I'm just
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going to win the game. Okay. Now, I want you to go

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out there to try your best,
but you're not going to win. And

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what I mean would that encourage you
to play your best? Right? If

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winning or losing didn't make a difference, why would you bother to put in

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any effort? Right, And it
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believe of you know, the world
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I think it was Jay Vernon McGee
who coined the phrase why polished the brass

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on a sinking ship? So the
you know the ideas well, the ship

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is sinking, Let it sink,
you know there, don't don't build culture,

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don't try to improve the world.
Just let it sink. Because it's

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sinking. Well, how about we
just go find out where the breach and

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the hole is, and let's fix
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up to where it's floating again,
and and build the best ship that we

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can and polish it with the best
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it with the best furniture. So
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by hope, and and and again
I mentioned it starts in the Old Testament,

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and I can just name a few
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think. Okay, So it's in
Isaiah books, yes, And there's so

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much hope in there in that book, so much beauty of when Christ comes,

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not at the end, but when
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he suffered for the glories that would
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nine six and seven it says that, And this gives us the timing.

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It's the famous Christmas passage front us
a child is born, and to us

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a son is given, and the
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then it goes on and it says, and from from that time all or

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that there will only be an increase
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time forward even forever, and it's
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of Hosts that's going to accomplish it. Indeed, I did not quote it

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perfectly, but no, you did
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to ask you. Number One,
you're talking about how evil our world has

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become. And a long time friend
of mine, we were discussing this the

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other day where he's a big baseball
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Dodgers where they invited this LGBT group
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the cross, but they turn it
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the most horrible mockery. Anybody who's
on social media today probably saw what I

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was talking about, and I said
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at the world today, and I
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not every you know, it may
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think it is. Maybe it is, I don't know, but when I

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see these things, what was the
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God flooded the earth? Well,
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out pretty soon, because I do
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for sure, very much like what
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course, God promised that he would
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know it's not going to be a
worldwide flood. But he God loves justice

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and he loves righteousness, and that's
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From what I've seen now, I
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there are some faithful men out there
who do and women who are who also

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love justice and righteousness and want to
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that's you know, that's the Lord's
prayer. Yes, it's hollow.

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Would be thy name, Thy Kingdom
come, Thy will be done on earth

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as it is in heaven. And
that's perfectly. He wants to see his

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perfect justice and his perfect righteousness here
on earth. And that's what the church.

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I mean, if we're praying for
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But if you're praying for something but
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about it, that's dead faith.
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His kingdom to come on earth as
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to be about that business bringing it
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this is the zeal of the Lord, you know, it says it's going

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to happen, and it's the zeal
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So if the Church fails, which
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right now in doing her duty to
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Christ spells it out very clearly,
and we've forgotten it. We're supposed to

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be discipling the nations and teaching them
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That is what the church and baptizing, of course, in the name of

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the Father's Son of the Holy Spirit. But the Church has lost the well

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the belief even that we ought to
be one discipling the nations and two that

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we should be discipling them to observe
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Antichrist. And so if we're not
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then Antichrist is going to do it. The Devil's going to rise up and

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he's going to disciple the nations,
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everything against what God has commanded.
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And so I do believe that the
zeal of the Lord of Hosts will come

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in and he's going to set things
straight. It's going to be I think,

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at a great cost to this current
world system or the people. You

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know, just think about how many
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is part of God's you know, the

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war in Ukraine, you know,
which I hate. I hate it.

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I think it's just a part of
a depopulation. There's no winners in war.

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There really isn't, right, and
this is you go back to Isaiah,

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you know, it says the purpose
of God is too that we beat

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all of our swords into plowshares.
I mean, it is to end wars.

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The United Nation has stolen God's promise
and they're they're trying to do it

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about do it Man's way. You
can't do it. It's it's either.

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You know, the very first episode
that you recorded, you called yourself an

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anarchist, and I remember thinking,
oh, dear, I don't know if

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I'll be able to share this podcast
with anybody. But the next episode you

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came up and you said, well, I want to explain what I mean

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by that. You know, when
I said that I was an anarchist,

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I just mean that I don't have
to subject myself to man's law. I

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only have to subject myself to God's
law. He said that. I'm like,

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okay, well, maybe I can
can share this with others. Yeah,

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it's funny. It's words have meaning. And I've done so many of

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these and sometimes I'll say something and
I'll get an email it's like oops,

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you know, I mean, go
back and address it. And yeah,

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when you say things like you certainly
have to be clear, and you know,

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I think it's okay. There's some
things folks in them the least have

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right. In the Middle East,
they have right. And one of them

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is most of the laws are handled
by local shakes, Like every little town

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has their own leader and he kind
of deals with the situations like here we

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have a prison industrial complex where people
get lost in and the contracts are a

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surd I mean, I'm doing a
podcast on that Friday. It's just it's

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nuts. But getting back to what
I was saying, yeah, it's the

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government man inherently, anytime man is
given power, ninety nine times out of

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one hundred, it's just true,
he's going to go the way of sin.

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And this government we have here in
the United States, and to be

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quite frank around most other countries around
the world, you basically have to corrupt

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yourself to get to one of these
top spots. Telling your child, if

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they work hard, they can be
president might be a bigger lie than Santa

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in my eyes, because you really
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become anywhere in that top tier in
this country. And that's what I believe.

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that there are worth some corrupt among
them, but there were also a lot

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of faithful pastors. Yeah. And
I don't know if you've ever listened to

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the Wall Builders, and I don't
agree with everything they say on there,

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but there's some He goes into the
documents and it's really excellent material and he

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shows that these the Founding fathers really
understood the Bible, and they understood God's

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law and they built upon that.
And you had mentioned, you know,

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local governments, and that's really what
the Bible teaches this the localism and the

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government, because you know your constituents, you know, and you choose the

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people that you trust to rule over
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go back to you right, and
you can hold the guy down the street

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accountable if if he abuses his power. We can't even get near any of

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these guys in DC, especially after
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Oh man, it's just agregious.
Yeah. So they did put the balance

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of power in place, and they
did it because what you mentioned, you

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know, we always go down the
path of sin. That's where we go

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human nature, that is human nature, and that's what the Bible teaches,

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and the Founders knew that, and
that's why they put the checks and balances

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into place. So, I mean
that was the goal. Obviously it hasn't

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played well over time, but to
keep the keep people in check because we're

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always prone to go towards sin.
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the Founding Fathers. What people may
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eighteen hundreds, there was three parties. The third party was actually the Anti

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Masonic Party. So for the folks
who either a think Freemasonry is just there's

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really nothing wrong with it. You
you silly conspiracy theorists or think that they

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are not a real problem in this
country. There was a guy by the

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name of William Morgan who was one
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He's all the evil in it.
He walked away, he started becoming a

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public critic of it, and he
disappeared, so they started to Actually it

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was called the Anti Masonic Party and
it was around for quite some bit.

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I think it was established like real
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Samuel Morse, the founder of the
Morse Code and one of the greatest painters

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of our country's history, he knew
that there was He was more of a

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guy who was against the Jesuits.
But these people in the early eighteen hundreds

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into the eighteen thirties, they knew
that there was an evil forming it in

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our government. And like everything else
they got, they got crushed. Unfortunately.

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Yeah, that's sad, there's so
much misinformation out there. You brought

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a Mason on. I was a
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to go into the thirty third degree, which I found kind of interesting.

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But I think that we are really
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the Jesuits. And you know,
if if what I've heard is true,

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these are really Satanic organizations, then
when we have a Masonic temple in our

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like we have one here in our
local area, this is a you know,

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it's like a tribute to Satan in
our area. And you know,

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that doesn't bring about the blessings of
God that we all desire. Every one

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of every human desires God's blessings.
They don't all want to get it the

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right way, but we all want
to be blessed. But there's there's only

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one way and until we get back
to that way, and so God has

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to tear down all these idols.
Right now, I think the biggest,

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one of the biggest idols in the
church is statism. We worship the state

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and we believe everything they say.
We take their word as gospel. And

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of course there's many agencies within them, within the government, federal government that

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you could list. This is one
thing that really was really hard for me

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during the pandemic. You know,
the medical establishment, another idol they call

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abortion healthcare. They are mutilating children
for you know, because they think you

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can choose your gender. They celebrate
perversion, and we're going to go to

409
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them for advice on how to live, you know it just we're gonna let

410
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them tell us that we have to
shut down the churches. And it was

411
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:39.319
such a disconnect for me how people
Christians could just follow their advice. And

412
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I remember I visited my daughter's church, and I love my daughter dearly,

413
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and I feel sad because I kind
of geared guided her to this church when

414
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she went to college, but we
went. I went one Sunday and I

415
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didn't. I said I'm not going
to wear a mask, and she said

416
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it, it's okay, You'll be
fine, and so I I go in

417
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.640
and one of the deacons approaches to
me and says, oh, do you

418
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:09.400
need a mask? I left.
Besides that, they had like communion and

419
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:15.800
cardboard boxes and or like styrofoam boxes, and they had CDC signs on their

420
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:21.920
bathroom like only one person at a
time. It was I felt like like

421
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the state was running the church.
And it just really really was hard.

422
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.239
I admitted myself for a while there, I was I mean, I guess

423
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.960
it's equal opportunity. Maybe I was
a little too hard on some of the

424
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:44.800
preachers. I had a conversation with
my local preacher a couple of weeks ago,

425
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.000
and he was disappointed. He said
that he had to close the church.

426
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:53.039
And sometimes I failed to remember that
the preacher is normally not the highest

427
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:58.280
ranking person in the church. There's
levels way above who control who goes in

428
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.880
that church, and they rotate the
preachers, aroun and they have people they

429
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.440
answer to. He made it clear
to me that he didn't want to close

430
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:07.679
the church, and I know there
are probably people out there, but unfortunately,

431
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:13.280
when these churches sign up to become
a five O one C three organizations,

432
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.280
they sign up to be a part
of the government. And the fact

433
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:20.320
of the matter is most churches don't
even know they don't have to become a

434
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:24.559
five O one C three And that's
something I think that we need to do

435
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:29.559
a better job. It all goes
back to education, it really does.

436
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:34.079
And a church is one of the
big big things with me here in Delaware.

437
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.199
The Unitarian Church. They're all over
Delaware and you can go to their

438
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.079
home pages if you guys, just
put it in a Unitarian Church Delaware.

439
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:49.880
There's a couple of them that have
these PowerPoint presentations on their homepage that explain

440
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:55.719
transgenderism, and it talks about how
on the far right is being a male,

441
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:00.559
being on the far left is a
female, and in between the eighty

442
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:05.320
three other different genders. And I'm
like, you're a church and between the

443
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.360
rainbow, which again is the covenant. It is a symbol of the covenant

444
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:14.440
between God and man that he would
never I think it's Genesis nine thirteen and

445
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.360
taking that and making a complete mockery
out of that. And then you know,

446
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:22.320
these churches once again conforming to man
instead of sticking with the word of

447
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.159
God. It's just I mean,
there are more churches, and I would

448
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:30.920
say seventy five percent of the churches
in our state are infiltrated by the Synagogue

449
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:35.079
of Satan. They really are.
I believe you're right, and I will

450
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.320
make a bold statement here and say
that that is not a church, not

451
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.519
a faithful one anyway, It is
apostate. If they are, as you

452
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.960
said, Synagogue of Satan. Yeah, it's posing as a church, right,

453
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:51.840
Yeah, I think that. No, no, no, you go

454
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.519
ahead, go ahead. I was
going to say that, I really see.

455
00:36:55.559 --> 00:37:01.320
What happened in twenty twenty was almost
to an unmasking, if you will,

456
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:07.679
of the real state of the church. And so you got to see,

457
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:12.840
you know, the level of faithfulness
of these congregations, and it was

458
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.639
it was really hard for us to
see. We we were about to join

459
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.719
a church because we've been we had
been searching for a church, a faithful

460
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.679
church for some time, and we
found this. It was a Reformed Baptist

461
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:30.119
church, and we liked the direction
they were going, and we were going

462
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:37.039
to be that Sunday like going to
a church membership class. And then they

463
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:38.800
shut down the church and I said, I guess I'm not going to be

464
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.039
good. You know, we're not
going to go back. For us,

465
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.840
it was, it's it's such a
you know, it says a lot of

466
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.559
people believe we're living in end times. I don't. I think we are

467
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:53.480
in end times of America. But
it's but as that kind of time comes,

468
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.159
we are. It says all the
more not to forsake the gathering together

469
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:04.960
of believers, and Christians should know
that. Pastors should know that. And

470
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.880
it says even in I think it's
First Chronicles seven fourteen, it might be

471
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.480
Second Chronicles. It's a very popular
passage. If my people who are called

472
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.599
by my name, will humble themselves
and pray and seek my face, and

473
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:17.840
turn from their wicked ways. And
I will hear from heaven above, and

474
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.000
I will forgive their sins, and
I will heal their land. Well.

475
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:28.360
The verse right before that talks about
if I bring pestilence, and then the

476
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:36.519
verse right after that says if they
gather together in my sanctuary. And so

477
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:43.679
you have the Bible giving us principles
on how we deal with pandemics as well

478
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:52.079
as how shall I say it?
It's the leper who has to isolate themselves.

479
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:54.880
It's the one who's sick. We
don't isolate the whole population. We

480
00:38:54.960 --> 00:39:00.639
don't have your guilty until proven innocent. I e. You're sick or what

481
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:06.360
is it? A carrier? And
what do they call that? I know

482
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.360
what you're talking about. I can't
think of the actual term right now.

483
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:14.760
Okay, So those are you know? There? There is There are protocols

484
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.719
in the Bible, and if we
just go to the to God's word and

485
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:24.079
we just trust it, then we
can find answers for so many things that

486
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:30.760
will bring blessing and not cursing on
this world. Yeah, you're talking about

487
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:38.880
the asymptomatic yes, there we go, Thank you Google. Yeah, yeah,

488
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:44.280
indeed. And by the way,
folks, I'm going to include this

489
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in the show description just so you
can see. This is a choch a

490
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:52.159
church excuse me, in the Newark, Delaware, and it's called trans one

491
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:57.800
oh one. And this is again
from the church. And again it's just

492
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.440
a slap in the face to the
Creator, to God, my goodness,

493
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:10.760
gracious. And I don't know how
or when the churches took such a right

494
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:15.239
turn. It's destroyed the Methodist Church, they've split in a half, and

495
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.480
I'm sure there's going to be more. It's very interesting. You said that

496
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.719
you didn't think it was end times, but you think it's the end of

497
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:28.920
the United States. How do you
see this playing out? Well, I

498
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:31.280
don't know, and I shouldn't say
the end of the United States completely,

499
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:35.840
but at least the way that well, yeah, yeah, I mean,

500
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.920
there's so many you don't have to
be a prophet to look at the signs

501
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:44.760
of the times. You know,
we have this digital currency coming down the

502
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:51.320
pike. We have or an economic
collapse. We have the as you've mentioned

503
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:55.719
before, in Germany, before Hitler
came into power, there was a rise

504
00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:01.360
in sexual deviancy, and I think
that is a part of the fall of

505
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:05.800
many societies. You have Sodom and
Gomorrah. You know, it says I've

506
00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:08.639
given you Sodom and Gomorrah as an
example, so you don't follow in that

507
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:15.480
way. And we were following in
that way. And Satan when he gets

508
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.559
a foothold in, you know,
he's all in. He's gonna come in,

509
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:21.559
he's gonna come in subtly, he's
going to start and you know,

510
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:27.679
make you feel sorry for these people
like they're victims. And and so we're

511
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:30.079
gonna you know, if Christians cave
even a little bit, he's just going

512
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:35.000
to keep going for more. And
so that's what we see. You know.

513
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.159
I remember in the eighties when you
know, they were just starting.

514
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:42.840
Well from my perspective, it may
have been sooner. They were trying to,

515
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:47.880
you know, push the homosexual agenda
and and normalize it. And I

516
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.159
kind of bought into it myself.
I was raised in a Christian, but

517
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:57.000
I in a Christian family. I
didn't really become a Christian. I don't

518
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:01.440
believe until after some very difficult time
in my life. God usually knows how

519
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:07.000
to draw us into his kingdom,
and so The one thing that I had

520
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:10.840
that I believe my appearance instilled in
me and the Holy Spirit as well,

521
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:15.840
is I believe that God's word was
true. And I've had to grow in

522
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:21.480
that because there's different ways to interpret
the Bible and so, oh it means

523
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.360
this or all. That's just cultural
and so. And that was kind of

524
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:27.880
when I started studying flat earth.
That's the same thing. Well, there's

525
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.440
another way to look at that.
It doesn't have to mean that. And

526
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:37.119
but once you start seeing the evidence, you're like, Okay, that's is

527
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.159
what the Bible is saying. Yeah, it isn't funny that it takes hard

528
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.079
times for sometimes to reconnect with God. I remember being in the army when

529
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:49.880
we were in combat, everybody was
religious, and they say, everybody in

530
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.199
jail is religious. You know,
it's sad that it takes fear sometimes to

531
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:59.840
get ourselves to turn around and embrace
God again. Yeah, He's I think

532
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:02.480
He's written a story for each one
of us that's totally unique and different,

533
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:06.840
because that's how unique and different each
person is, just like we all have

534
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:12.559
a unique fingerprint. It's like our
everything about us is so unique. But

535
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.880
God created us that way purposely because
he has, it says in effusions,

536
00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:19.760
he has good works planned for us
that we should walk in them, and

537
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:24.440
so he guides and steers our lives
in such a way so that we end

538
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:29.840
up exactly where he wants us.
And it's just amazing, amazes me that

539
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:34.599
I'm right here today on this podcast
talking about these things in flat Earth.

540
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:38.400
So that's awesome, And that's a
great segue. Why don't you tell us

541
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:43.280
a little bit about your journey to
flat Earth? And I should ask were

542
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:49.239
you kind of awake before that to
other quote unquote conspiracies? Yeah, I

543
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:55.960
think that I married. Interestingly enough, I married a man who's very much

544
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:02.119
into conspiracies, and he I wasn't
as much as him. I still I

545
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:07.960
had an underlying distrust for the medical
establishment already, just because of some experiences

546
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:14.079
that my parents had. Yet when
I was a single mother, I got

547
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.239
had you know, gave my daughter
Oli her vaccines until she was a teenager,

548
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:20.400
and then I finally just stopped giving
them because I'd heard a few things.

549
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:25.199
So I was awake so to some
things. And then I met my

550
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.920
husband and he's you know, then
we was nine to eleven, and I

551
00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:34.159
mean learning about the facts behind that
and other things as well. So we're

552
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:38.920
pretty much distrusting of the government and
know that they lie. So there was

553
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:46.039
that background there. And then I
think when I really woke up was in

554
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:52.639
twenty nineteen when my daughter, and
by the way, it was marriage out

555
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:57.239
of wedlock, I mean a child
out of wedlock. That was my hard

556
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.239
times that God used to draw me
to himself, gotcha. And so my

557
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:05.880
daughter, by God's grace, he
just did a marvelous work in me and

558
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:09.159
in her, and she ended up
just living in doing it right. Let's

559
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.679
just put it that way. The
whole marriage thing, she did it right

560
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:20.800
completely. And in twenty nineteen I
found out that she was pregnant, and

561
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.840
I thought, oh dear, I
need to really study vaccines. I've heard

562
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:31.119
enough to have my concerns, but
I've never actually studied it. And so

563
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:37.800
I need to study vaccines because I
need to warn her with my future grandchild.

564
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:45.639
And so I just dug deep into
thankfully had the time to do it,

565
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:52.320
and I just started researching vaccines and
I was just so appalled, That's

566
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.679
all I can say. It brought
me down to tears and weeping before God.

567
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:59.480
When I knew what they were doing
I had no idea they were using

568
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:07.400
a boarded babies in vaccines for research
and in the vaccines and male and female

569
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:13.760
being at DNA fragments being injected into
every child that goes through the vaccine program

570
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:20.400
in America, and it just I
was crushed, and it was so heartwrenching

571
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:24.480
to me, the whole situation that
I've probably spent six months just weeping before

572
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.679
God, not like every minute,
but maybe every day, and asking him

573
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:34.239
to tear down this vaccine industry because
it was so egregious and so evil,

574
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:38.440
and it is tainting the blood of
our children. And I believe that that

575
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:45.840
tainted blood, it is an open
doorway for Satan to have influence into that

576
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:49.679
child's life. And I had heard
reports. I think, I don't know

577
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:54.039
if you've ever listened to Debora Tovaris
or Travarus stop the crime dot net.

578
00:46:55.000 --> 00:47:01.280
So she was had a clip on
one of her um one of her videos

579
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:05.159
where she was sharing I think probably
on a podcast or something, and she

580
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:09.079
talked about Jeff brad Street or one
of the doctors who and all these doctors

581
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:17.039
that were m killed mysteriously. This
list. I think Aaron Elizabeth really dives

582
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:23.679
into this the natural doctors that are
dying mysteriously. And so she had talked

583
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:30.519
about this one doctor who was about
to expose what about the male and female

584
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:35.559
DNA and that it might be causing
you know, these gender issues, and

585
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:39.519
before he could actually share that,
he was, you know, he was

586
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:46.119
he was dead. So how only
God really knows. But anyway, so

587
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:52.280
that I just was in just really
heavy prayer and over this issue and weeping

588
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:58.679
for our children with the issue of
vaccines. And then it's just so interesting

589
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.840
to me that then happened. And
I think in a way that that God

590
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:07.440
was stirring me up to those prayers
because he wanted to tear down this industry

591
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:12.880
himself. And you know what,
vaccine hesitancy has increased since twenty or since

592
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:17.840
the COVID nineteen vaccine, and that
goes back to many people think they overplayed

593
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:23.960
their hand. Absolutely I agree.
I mean, if you walked into a

594
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:28.199
party and somebody you never met before
says, hey, drink this, and

595
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:29.920
you're like, well, what is
it, don't worry about it, just

596
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.000
drink it, and they keep pushing
it on you. It's it's going to

597
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:37.159
be your natural response to say,
get that away from me and that's exactly

598
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:43.039
what these people did. It was
crazy what they did, how they pushed

599
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:50.800
it in the lies that they told. We latched onto this the high wire

600
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.639
with del big Tree, and and
I know he has some theories that some

601
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:57.480
people don't agree with, and that's
fine. I don't agree with. You

602
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:00.400
know what, there's I have not
found one person on this earth that I

603
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:04.239
agree with one hundred percent except for
myself. And that's okay. That's it

604
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.559
would be kind of creepy if if
you agreed with that. You know,

605
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.360
we're all different, so there's going
to be some things we agree and some

606
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:15.960
things we don't. That's that's okay. But Dell was just in his high

607
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:20.719
wire program was just so spot on
from the very beginning. Because I was

608
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.559
I had found him before twenty twenty, so I'd already trusted him. And

609
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:30.119
so when twenty came in twenty one
and twenty two, and he just keeps

610
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:35.960
sharing the facts and he's going to
the actual like the Emergency Youth Youth Authorization

611
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:39.760
and he's like, they haven't even
tested this against transmission, and they're trying

612
00:49:39.800 --> 00:49:45.440
to guilt you into thinking that you're
going to save your grandma if you take

613
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.920
the vaccine and they haven't even tested
for that, and so he was just

614
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:53.000
getting the facts out there and it
was really helpful. He's got a lot

615
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:59.719
of great information on childhood vaccines as
well. Yeah, Dell was I haven't

616
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:00.800
watched him in a while, but
I know a lot of people. He

617
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.199
was sitting a lot of home runs, specifically with the vaccine, etc.

618
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:08.840
Now you kind of answered it.
I had it written down, So I

619
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:13.320
still want to ask you, do
you think that the vaccine agenda? And

620
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:16.960
I guess you could consider it as
a whole, because I'm like you,

621
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:22.880
I've done a lot more research into
vaccines and I'm not sure there's a really

622
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:29.599
good one out there. Do you
think it was or is about depopulation or

623
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.719
do you think it's about tainting God's
DNA or maybe a combination of both.

624
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:45.960
I would speculate that it's both.
I think my husband brought out that he

625
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:52.760
thinks that not all batches were created
equal. If they if they had tainted

626
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:54.880
everyone or poisoned everyone, and everyone
died who took it, it would be

627
00:50:54.920 --> 00:51:00.480
too obvious. And so yeah,
the line of reasoning, there was some

628
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:04.159
saline in there and then some lesser
batches and then some really bad ones.

629
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:10.760
And I think we're going to see
more and more people dying suddenly from taking

630
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:16.000
a vaccine. It's very it's very
sad to say so. I think depopulation

631
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:20.679
is part of it. And the
tainting of the DNA. I you know,

632
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:27.079
I can't. I can't discount that
either. So yeah, yeah,

633
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.679
and a big one again. If
if you guys listening at home or at

634
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:37.119
work we're driving, if you want
to do some research. Eustace Mullins murder

635
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:42.079
by Injection what was a good read
too? And that's something Eustace isn't with

636
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:45.000
us anymore. And you can find
his PDFs online as well. But he

637
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:52.719
talks about everything from AIDS to the
National Vaccine Act. And he called this

638
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:59.800
from the grave. He sure did. Well. It's interesting because a lot

639
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:07.119
of pastors were promoting the vaccine,
and I suspect, and this is based

640
00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:13.360
on something I saw in the event
to a one that they were actually reaching

641
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:17.519
out to pastors to help them to
you know, we need your help,

642
00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:22.199
we want to enlist you to promote
this, you know, for the common

643
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.119
good, and blah blah blah.
And and I think that some pastors I

644
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:30.960
don't I can't tell you any by
name that had come under that kind of

645
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:36.239
influence what I do believe it has
happened. But interestingly, I don't know

646
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:40.800
if you're familiar with the Gospel Coalition, I'm not sure. I am.

647
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:49.440
Well, I wouldn't recommend getting involved
with them because they have, Yeah,

648
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.239
they have. One of their writers
is Joe Carter. And this came out

649
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:57.400
when I was doing my deep dive
into vaccine research, and Joe Carter sounded

650
00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:02.119
like he was kind of, you
know, one of the CDC or um

651
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:07.400
FDA, one of their spokesmen when
it came to vaccines, even trying to

652
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:15.320
make it sound like it's okay to
take human you know, fetal DNA because

653
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:19.880
it's you know, it's it's divorced. These these cells have populated so many

654
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:23.239
times that you're not actually getting that
child to DNA. It's it's really from

655
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:25.880
a clone of you know, of
the clone of the clone of the cell,

656
00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:30.239
and it's like, you know,
and so just really pushing the fact

657
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:34.119
that vaccines are good and that if
we're good Christians, you know, we're

658
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.239
gonna get vaccinated because we want to
be good neighbors. And you know,

659
00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:39.920
that's what it means to love Jesus, you know, stuff like that.

660
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:46.840
And so the one of the members
of the Gospel Coalition, a pastor.

661
00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:52.440
Uh now, I'm I think he's
kind of was the lead, the like

662
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:55.199
kind of the head of the group
of the Gospel Coalition. And now I

663
00:53:55.239 --> 00:54:00.920
don't know what his stance on vaccines
were, but I'm assuming that there's a

664
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:05.519
connection, since they're connected. But
he just passed away suddenly from pancreatic cancer,

665
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:09.320
and which, you know, it
makes me sad. I'm not trying

666
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:14.840
to right, of course, you
don't want to be like Pallas about that,

667
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:19.840
because I know that's going to leave
a hole. But the general from

668
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.880
my sphere of influence, the general
feeling was, oh, a faithful man

669
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:29.679
has gone home. And I hope
that's true. I just know that he

670
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.960
had compromised on other areas as well, and this, but this promotion of

671
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:38.840
the vaccine, despite the use of
fetal tissue being used in it, from

672
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:45.199
his organization is is um. Those
kind of things just really really bother me.

673
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:50.159
It's very interesting. While you were
just explaining that, I went to

674
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:52.880
their website, the Gospel Coalition,
and they talk about their mission as being

675
00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:58.880
deeply committed to renewing our faith in
the Gospel of Christ and reforming our ministry

676
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:04.719
practices to form fully to the scriptures. And uh, we're not united by

677
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:09.440
culture or politics, but to Jesus. And then they have an fa Q

678
00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:15.599
about vaccines and the entire article does
nothing but promote vaccines, like really really

679
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:20.760
promotes it. Even there's an as
a section that says our vaccine safe.

680
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:27.599
In twenty eleven, the Institute of
Medicine gave an unbiased and authoritative advice to

681
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:30.360
you know, they're they're clearly safe. And it's like, how how much

682
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:35.840
more contradictory could you be? You
just said that you're going to stray away

683
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:39.519
from man and only only Jesus,
and then you just have an entire,

684
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:49.000
you know, two thousand word essay
about how great Man is right. And

685
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:54.239
and it's interesting because there's another Christian
leader who is well respected in my sphere

686
00:55:54.480 --> 00:56:02.159
of influence, not my but those
who influence me. And he's well respected,

687
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:07.000
and his name is Jonathan sar Fotty. I hope I'm not going to

688
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:10.639
be in hot water for name and
names here, but I've actually gone head

689
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:15.639
to head with Sarfotti on some Facebook
posts before I was as meek as I

690
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:22.800
am now. I say that jokingly. I'm still growing. But he was

691
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:29.679
promoting vaccines and also in just like
just the party line on vaccines, and

692
00:56:29.719 --> 00:56:35.440
he is a big name in I
think it's the Creation Ministries International is his,

693
00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:39.280
which you've brought up before on the
show. And it's just important to

694
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:45.239
know that I believe that there have
been there are ungodly men who have and

695
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:49.840
I'm not saying I'm not gonna say
anything. I'm not saying Jonathan Sarfotti,

696
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:54.280
but I am saying I do believe
that there are godless men it talks about

697
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:59.320
in Jude who have crept in unnoticed
so they can promote their wicked agendas.

698
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:05.559
And and Jonathan Sarfatti, whether he's
one of those men who have crept in

699
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.599
or not, he also promotes vaccines, just like Joe Carter, just like

700
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:15.039
the Gospel Coalition. And it's almost
like he rose up in the Christian Ministries

701
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:21.679
International to be the vaccine spokesperson for
that organization and so that other people didn't

702
00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:27.039
really have to dig into it,
and it's it's really egregious. And al

703
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:31.039
Muehler is another one, and you
know, he's like a big name in

704
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:39.440
the Southern Baptist Theological Group. And
and I will see he has a podcast

705
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:45.440
called The Briefing, and he also
has been supporting vaccines. And I will

706
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:52.199
of the three men, I will
give al Muhller more grace because he seems

707
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:55.800
to at least be trying to reason
a little bit through it. Maybe it's

708
00:57:55.840 --> 00:58:00.920
not right, but what else are
we going to do? And so nonetheless,

709
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:06.480
we just have to be careful.
Just because somebody's in a religious organization,

710
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:14.639
we have got to be very discerning
and what information we believe that they

711
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:20.320
teach. And then now let me
go back to Jonathan Sarfatti, because he

712
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:34.079
also has some articles on his Creation
Ministry's International debunking flat Earth really, which

713
00:58:34.079 --> 00:58:37.800
my daughter tried to share with me
when she was trying to convince me how

714
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:40.880
wrong I was about flat Earth,
and she sent me that article and I

715
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:45.599
just started, I'm like, Okay, this comes from Christian Ministries International.

716
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:50.239
And interestingly, the first article I
read was by somebody named George Carter.

717
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:53.960
But then I dug a little deeper
and George Carter had worked together on a

718
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:58.400
piece with Jonathan Sarfatti debunking flat Earth. And so I'm like honey, I'm

719
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:01.159
not even gonna I'm not even gonna
read these because I know how I know

720
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:07.480
how this man thinks, and I
know that he's not honest with data.

721
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:12.440
Yeah, that's it's interesting. I
actually pulled up the article really quick.

722
00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:17.599
It's from April twenty thirteen, and
he actually, and unless I'm taking it

723
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:21.960
out of context, he's saying that
people who believe the flat earth is anti

724
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:30.639
Christian. I would probably suspect that
that's maybe what he's saying. I'll just

725
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:34.280
read the paragraph. It says for
the last two hundred years or so,

726
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:39.320
many anti Christians have resorted to a
scurliest lie, acting consistently with their worldview.

727
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:45.320
That they're early and medieval Christian taught
that the Earth is flat, and

728
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:50.199
if he would just take a few
minutes and read, he would see that

729
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:57.159
it didn't really come till after,
of course, with the Thirty Year War

730
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:02.719
and Martin Luther and all of that, when Copernicus really took hold and tried

731
01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:07.440
to via the Roman Catholic Church to
deceive people. You know, he was

732
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:12.480
a Jesuit, and you know,
even Martin Luther. There's stories out there.

733
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:14.280
You can find it, whether or
not it's sure or not. I

734
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.079
mean, it's five hundred years old. We don't really know. But there

735
01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:21.960
are some writings out there that said
Martin Luther, you know, said hey,

736
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:29.039
this this Copernicus guy's bad news.
Yeah. The very first video I

737
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:31.480
watched on flat Earth. I'll get
to my journey in a minute. I

738
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:36.119
haven't got there yet, but the
very first video that I watched after I

739
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.800
was willing to actually look into it, and I had my crazy flat Earth

740
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:43.480
friend who was kept sharing stuff,
and I'm like, okay, send me

741
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:50.639
your best stuff. And so one
of the first videos was Helio Sorcery and

742
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.679
in that have you seen that?
I've heard of it. I'm not sure

743
01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:59.039
if I've seen it. Okay,
So it's really good. And he really

744
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:05.840
whoever put that together laid out the
case that the flat or the globe and

745
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:13.039
the heliocentric model was something called learning
against learning or the Catholic Church saw that

746
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:16.039
the Protestant Reformation was taking hold.
They couldn't keep the Bible out of the

747
01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:22.639
hands of the people, so they
had to find another way to turn them

748
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:24.920
away from the truth of Scripture,
and so they created this idea of learning

749
01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:31.119
against learning. Than the Jesuit Order
was started, and they were going to

750
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:36.880
become the master educators so that they
could control the education and teach the people

751
01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:38.519
what they want. And then part
of that, of course was Copernicus and

752
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:45.880
his heliocentric model. And in that
he mentioned about Martin Luther like you had

753
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:51.599
mentioned about him, saying that there
was this new, upstart astronomer. And

754
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:55.440
so I the kind of research that
I do. I don't like to take

755
01:01:57.039 --> 01:01:59.880
somebody's word in a video. I
want to go and I want to spine

756
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:02.360
that article myself, and so I
spent a lot of time researching and I

757
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:07.679
found it, and it isn't a
one of his table talks. Had a

758
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:13.039
hard time finding it, but I
found it, and he did say that

759
01:02:13.079 --> 01:02:19.000
it's His argument was very simple,
very biblical. It was just Joshua,

760
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:24.119
you know that God made the sun
stands still, not the earth when or

761
01:02:24.159 --> 01:02:29.599
the sun go back or standstill.
No, it was standstill. And so

762
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:34.599
to say anything other than the fact
that the sun stood still is really it's

763
01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:40.360
against God. And Calvin had very
similar comments about that one of the other

764
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:47.559
formers, and he talked about the
it's he went a step further and he

765
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:57.199
actually called it a demonic Satanic teaching. And people who defend Calvin, they

766
01:02:57.719 --> 01:03:00.400
try to say, oh, he
just wasn't he just didn't know about science,

767
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:06.480
he didn't know about astronomy. But
both Calvin and Luther they did,

768
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:10.679
and they talk about that also in
their writings, that they do love astronomy

769
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:15.480
and that they do love science.
But for Calvin, it's like that if

770
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:17.920
you're saying and for him it wasn't
the flat earth. It was just if

771
01:03:17.920 --> 01:03:22.400
you're saying that the Earth moves and
not the sun. That's like calling day

772
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:28.360
night and night day. It's so
obvious that it's this way. Plus that's

773
01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:34.599
what the scriptures teach. And I
think what those people who are defending again

774
01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:38.960
are defending, or those people who
defend Calvin but don't defend him at that

775
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:45.840
point, I think what they have
forgotten is this idea that the Catholic Church

776
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:50.360
is also the Synagogue of Satan,
and there was a Reformation for a reason

777
01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:53.760
because they had gotten so corrupt and
they were evil. And so if this

778
01:03:53.880 --> 01:04:00.960
information is coming out of the Catholic
Church and the working together with Jesuits,

779
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.840
it was satanic and he knew that. But we're so separated from the concept

780
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:08.960
of how evil. The Catholic Church
is, and I'm not talking about every

781
01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:11.760
Catholic is evil. You know,
I don't want to say that. I

782
01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:15.920
think there's some good people. I
don't I'm not going to say whether they're

783
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:19.519
going to have it or not.
But it's the Pope, it's the it's

784
01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:27.760
Rome and what's coming out of the
Vatican. Yeah, back the whole reason

785
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.559
for the split. And again,
like you said, if I remember the

786
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:34.719
story correctly, the printing presses had
just come around, the Catholic Church were

787
01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:40.280
selling indulgences, and then Martin Luther, you know, he started spreading the

788
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:44.320
word and all that happened, Copernicus
happened. But one thing when you look

789
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:49.280
at that timeline that happened just a
little bit before the Reformation is I'm not

790
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:56.320
sure that Christopher Columbus story was created. But I do think that Christopher Columbus

791
01:04:56.320 --> 01:05:01.599
story was hijacked. The whole people
were afraid to sail and fall off the

792
01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:05.239
edge of the earth. I think
that was created by the people who controlled

793
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:11.519
the history books, the text books. I should say. Yeah, that's

794
01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:16.400
an interesting topic. I have from
listening to your podcast, been exposed to

795
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:21.320
so many and studying, researching,
platter Earth as well, just exposed to

796
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:28.800
so many ideas of you know,
fake history and fake timelines, and and

797
01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:32.079
I'm sure there's truth to it.
You know. I'm watching how they're rewriting

798
01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:36.199
our history right now with the founding
of our count of the United States of

799
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:41.320
America, truly was founded on biblical
principles, and they're trying they've tried to

800
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:45.519
rewrite that in showing how that wasn't
the case. And so if they're going

801
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:49.719
to rewrite history right in front of
our eyes, why wouldn't they rewrite history

802
01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:55.639
back then? Yeah, and they
can do it just a little bit of

803
01:05:55.639 --> 01:05:59.840
a time, because excuse me,
these people are generational. They play the

804
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:02.519
long game. Well, what was
your first exposure to flat Earth? How

805
01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:08.559
did you even come upon it?
The first memory that I have, but

806
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:12.360
I must have heard about it before
because I knew enough to reject it was

807
01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:18.760
my brother who's now since passed away. He called me on the phone.

808
01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:23.480
We weren't close, but we talked
once in a while and he's like,

809
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:29.199
I really I think that the Earth
is flat. And I said, Brian,

810
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:31.599
come on, that's ridiculous. That's
just they're just trying to divert you

811
01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:38.320
from the truth, and so I
just dismissed it. And when I started

812
01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:42.760
seeing like connections between anti vaxers and
flat earthers, I'm like, they're just

813
01:06:42.800 --> 01:06:45.480
doing that because they really want to
make anti vaxers look ridiculous. And by

814
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:48.840
the way, I'm not anti vaccine. I am pro vaccine safety. I've

815
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:53.320
never as you, I've never seen
one that I think is safe. There

816
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:57.320
you go. But if there was
a way, I would be percent for

817
01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:00.719
that. That's great. We do
need to because I get emails all the

818
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:03.360
time, you know, how we
should rephrase flat Earth either Biblical Earth or

819
01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:08.360
you know, there's so many great
things out there. I'm just afraid I

820
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:11.079
don't. I don't want to change
the title because that's how so many people

821
01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:14.199
have found it. But I do
agree at some point, I think we

822
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:17.679
as a movement should should, you
know, I don't know, walk away

823
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:24.239
from flat Earth to to something else, whether it's firmament or earth or biblical

824
01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:30.519
Earth or something like that. I
think for now we need flat Earth because

825
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:33.400
that's I wouldn't have found you.
Yeah, exactly. That's that's what I

826
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:36.760
tell the folks. That's that's what
people put in the search engines and that's

827
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:40.519
how they find it. So I'm
not going to fix something that's broken at

828
01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:44.320
this point, right, But I
think that there's going to be a next

829
01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:50.159
generation people who can take the knowledge
that they're learning and then they can present

830
01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:55.719
it and they can get rid of
the terms. That's kind of the way

831
01:07:55.719 --> 01:08:00.400
I see it. So, Okay, So my brother told me he believed

832
01:08:00.400 --> 01:08:03.360
the earth was flat. I said
he was ridiculous, and just dismissed it

833
01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:08.679
without any kind of thought or consideration. And of course then I would see

834
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:12.480
them comparing vaccine anti vactors to flat
ruthers, and I'm like, oh,

835
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:16.039
that's just that's so wrong. They
shouldn't do that. It's totally different.

836
01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:25.399
I just I didn't know how undifferent
it was. It wasn't. So then

837
01:08:25.800 --> 01:08:30.880
in twenty twenty, I just gained
some new friends because I was looking for

838
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:36.520
like minded people who understood what was
going on with the whole pandemic and I

839
01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:45.520
needed sanity. I was in groups
of like Christian groups where you were not

840
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.560
allowed to even talk about things,
and it was almost like they were making

841
01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:54.039
rules right before the pandemic, so
you couldn't talk about certain things and so

842
01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:57.920
and this again I start seeing these
people infiltrating. When he started wanting to

843
01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:01.159
talk about true topics and you start
they start shutting you off. I'm thinking,

844
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:04.720
there's got to be somebody in this
group who doesn't want the truth out

845
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:09.640
and they're purposely in there. And
so I just started seeing a lot of

846
01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:14.800
that, and I've got kicked out
of some groups, and I still get

847
01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:20.800
kicked out of groups sometimes. But
I made some new friends and was following

848
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:25.600
some new information. I had this
friend, her name was Gretchen, and

849
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:30.000
she had a telegram channel and I
got on it, and she has like

850
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:34.600
eleven followers on her telegram channel.
But she's sharing everything from vaccine information to

851
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:40.760
pandemic to you know, the crisis
in the world, you know, economics,

852
01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:44.600
and just whatever anything that pertains to
the day that we're living. And

853
01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:50.000
but she's also sharing like fake moon
landings and sat a loons, and I'm

854
01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:53.800
just like, oh, they're ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And to me,

855
01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:57.680
the idea of sat a loon was
just so preposterous, right, Like,

856
01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:00.640
it's the nineteen thirties, right,
that's what your mind onto goes to.

857
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:06.720
Yeah, and and tell can you
guess when that changed? When the Chinese

858
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:14.039
Sadaloon became across the news. Yes, I was like, oh, I

859
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:19.600
was just like flabbergasted. So anyway, but I had already started researching at

860
01:10:19.640 --> 01:10:24.560
that time, but still the saddle
looons I thought was ridiculous. But um,

861
01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:29.039
until that point, I still I'm
still interested in studying that more.

862
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:36.000
But anyway, so I started just
listening to her posts on flatters and the

863
01:10:36.079 --> 01:10:40.159
different things that she was sharing.
And at one point she's like, well,

864
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:43.600
to her eleven followers, do you
guys want me to stop posting about

865
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:45.439
flatter Earth? And I'm like,
I don't know. I kind of get

866
01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:47.479
a kick out of it, you
know, I just kind of think it's

867
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:54.159
funny, interesting. And so she
kept sharing stuff and and then I just

868
01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:58.000
you know, and I heard things
about the firmament and and I just I

869
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:00.920
went back to Genesis one. I'm
like, okay, Lord, what do

870
01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:04.479
you have here? And I'm like
waters over the you know, the waters

871
01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:10.439
above the firmament. And I'm just
like, yeah, okay, I hear

872
01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:14.199
you know, I hear that,
but what does it mean? And you

873
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:17.239
know, I'm trying to justify different
ways. That was actually one of the

874
01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:21.359
hardest things for me to accept.
Was the idea of the firmament that.

875
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:28.279
So then I'm outside and I'm looking
up at the at the moon and the

876
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:30.760
sun, and I'm like, how
doesn't make sense? You know, I

877
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:34.439
just started observing. I'm like,
I'm just like sitting still, you know,

878
01:11:35.119 --> 01:11:38.560
Oh, it doesn't feel like I'm
moving, and you know, I

879
01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:45.359
just start observing everything. And then
I started watching some well, okay,

880
01:11:45.520 --> 01:11:47.760
so that's kind of where I was. I didn't wasn't researching at that time.

881
01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:54.399
I was just just observing, watching
what she shared. And and then

882
01:11:54.920 --> 01:11:58.479
finally I'm just like, okay,
Gretchen, give me your best stuff.

883
01:11:58.479 --> 01:12:01.600
She gave me the Helios Restreet and
I think the Lost History of Flat Earth

884
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:04.600
was the next one. Yeah,
it's like the five or six hour one.

885
01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:09.199
Yeah, very fascinating. I'm like, oh my goodness, my husband

886
01:12:09.239 --> 01:12:15.399
would absolutely love this. I know
he would, so anyway, and I'm

887
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:19.279
just filing information. I don't I
don't believe what I hear. I file

888
01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:23.840
it away and I look for confirmation. And then I go and research the

889
01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:30.119
things that, you know, really
seem to tickle my ears and start looking

890
01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:35.840
into Einstein and his theory of relativity
and his own admission that he you can't

891
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:42.199
buy any experiment observe that the Earth
moves, but yet it moves. And

892
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:47.119
I'm like, well, that's about
science. That's anti science, that's vaccine

893
01:12:47.159 --> 01:13:00.880
science. And so I just started
just looking at just from a scientific perspective,

894
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:05.680
the way that you have to come
up with a globe, and even

895
01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:11.439
science itself, how it's hijacked.
It's just been totally hijacked. In fact,

896
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:17.359
it's almost science is not real.
Science is fake. That's how bad

897
01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:21.119
it is. I do believe there
is a scientific method, you know that

898
01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:25.600
we should be able to observe something
and repeat it and you know, test

899
01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:31.359
hypotheses, but that's not what was
going on. What I started seeing is

900
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:36.079
that they're back paddling with their information. It's like, we think it's this,

901
01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:40.800
and so here's an equation that I'll
make it come to that conclusion,

902
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:45.359
which is exactly what they do with
evolution. Also, and I had never

903
01:13:45.399 --> 01:13:49.680
bought into evolution, just by the
grace of God, because I was raised

904
01:13:49.680 --> 01:13:57.520
in a Baptist church and Baptist believe
in a literal sixth day creation. That's

905
01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:01.479
what we do. I'm not a
Baptist anymore, but um, I'm so

906
01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:09.039
thankful for that solid ground that I
didn't believe in evolution, but it's the

907
01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:13.319
same kind of science that they're using
for evolution that they're using for a globe.

908
01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:15.439
And it was when I realized that
that I'm you know, I'm still

909
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:18.920
not one hundred percent there. But
did you want to make some comments before

910
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:23.520
I go on? No, really, it's a it's a fascinating story.

911
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:29.359
And again, the biggest thing with
flat earth again, it's it's interesting when

912
01:14:29.359 --> 01:14:31.399
you had mentioned that you grew up
in a Baptist church and they were very

913
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:36.880
like most um, you know,
churches are about the sixth day creation,

914
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:43.760
but they won't even tolerate flat earth, which is not you know, it

915
01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:46.279
wouldn't be fair to say it's cut
and dry, but I mean it's very

916
01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:54.119
clear about the firmament and they don't
even really have you ever discussed it with

917
01:14:54.159 --> 01:15:00.800
a preacher what the firmament is?
Well, I came to accept years ago

918
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:04.800
that the firmament was like the water
canopy. I don't know if you've heard

919
01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:10.279
that theory. So I listened to
that and I just accepted that theory.

920
01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:15.680
And so I never really have questioned
anybody. I know, there's different views

921
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.560
on it, and the idea of
it being firm and hard is something that

922
01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:27.039
I had never considered before until researching
this. And I have to say,

923
01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:30.279
and this is I have to say, it's sad on my part. I

924
01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:33.439
think I might have mentioned this to
you before that I usually I wish the

925
01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:36.960
Bible was like where I was like, Okay, it says that, and

926
01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:41.079
I believe it. I wish,
I wish that was the case, but

927
01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:44.600
I like to see evidence, and
because if there's more than one theory,

928
01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:46.560
you know, well, okay,
a water canopy, but it didn't rain

929
01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:50.760
on the earth until the flood or
a mist used to come up from the

930
01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:55.239
water. It says the water the
earth. But but Calvin held the position

931
01:15:55.359 --> 01:16:02.439
that the waters above the firmament was
clouds above the firmament, and then the

932
01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:06.239
water below would be the water on
the ground. And I'm okay, you

933
01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:12.520
know, I'm just thinking about these
things and sounds like it's possible. But

934
01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:19.199
what really pushed me over on the
firmament was the in Cyclopedia Americana in nineteen

935
01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:25.359
fifty eight. Yeah, that's right. They actually talk about it, they

936
01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:29.600
sure do, and then all of
a sudden it's missing it. And of

937
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:35.800
course you have all those operations in
the Antarctic. So and that's the thing

938
01:16:36.520 --> 01:16:40.439
I always go back to. You
know, the Germans are in the middle

939
01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:43.119
of a world war. It started
nineteen thirty nine, and that's when they're

940
01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:49.159
down there with New Swabia. I
mean that lends credence to theres some importance

941
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:53.399
going down there. And there was
a video on YouTube for some time then

942
01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:57.239
again, the Great Purge of twenty
eighteen twenty nineteen. It's very hard to

943
01:16:57.239 --> 01:17:02.199
find, but they talk about the
blue Ice and the researchers down there that

944
01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:06.359
have been trying to figure out what
the blue ice is, which obviously is

945
01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:12.359
what most people believe is the firmament. They believe there's some type of magic

946
01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:15.960
they try to reverse engineer, and
they think that's what like ninety percent of

947
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:21.520
the things they do in Antarctica is
is trying to it's got to do with

948
01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:29.920
the firmament the sky. I actually
have seen a video on that, but

949
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:32.720
it was kind of I don't know, I don't trust everything. I yeah

950
01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:38.319
watch, but at the same time, you know, I do believe that

951
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:44.239
whatever they're doing in Antarctic Antarctica,
with the treaty and everything, there's something

952
01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:47.199
there's something down there and we don't
know what it is, and they're not

953
01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:49.800
going to let us know, and
so that to me is just a big

954
01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:55.680
red flag that something major is going
on. And to have all these countries

955
01:17:56.319 --> 01:18:01.199
colluding together is I would think it
would be impossible. This is some of

956
01:18:01.239 --> 01:18:05.159
the responses I get from my family, like they could never hide the globe,

957
01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:08.319
you know that nobody could get together
and do that. I'm like,

958
01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:10.960
okay, well, what just happened
with the pandemic? Right? You know

959
01:18:11.239 --> 01:18:14.880
that? I think the whole world, the war of the world, things

960
01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:18.520
like, these people believe anything they
hear or see or read, and Burney's

961
01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:23.560
kind of stepped in and he proved
it. So I think that's why they

962
01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:27.000
were so bold. In my opinion
that that's why they were they went forward

963
01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:30.000
with faking the moon landing because they
believe that once again, people will believe

964
01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:33.640
anything they see. And even Nixon
was the one in nineteen seventy one he

965
01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:38.279
said people won't believe anything until they
see it on TV. And he was

966
01:18:38.319 --> 01:18:42.720
the one who was in office when
they pulled that off. It's funny.

967
01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:46.239
I have a cousin who was sharing
with me that they don't they believe in

968
01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:54.479
that the moon landing is fake.
And he was sharing with my anyway,

969
01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:59.640
my cousin was sharing that his father
said, no, son, it was

970
01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:03.119
real. I saw it. And
now she's trying to share with him about

971
01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:09.399
flat earth and he's like, no, I've seen a globe one. So

972
01:19:11.119 --> 01:19:15.600
just inconsistency. We all have them. Sure, yeah, absolutely. Was

973
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:20.079
there one piece of evidence that put
you over the top. Absolutely there was.

974
01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:24.760
And this is the one that I
just kept going back to when everyone

975
01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:28.199
would bring to me all my dear
family who wanted to break me from my

976
01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:31.239
spell, wanted to show me all
this evidence of why I'm wrong. The

977
01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:43.560
one thing that I couldn't shake was
the fact of there's no curvature. Yeah,

978
01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:45.560
that's a big one. We can
see too far right, Yeah,

979
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:49.000
And I think the black Swan,
which I've seen different iterations of that,

980
01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:51.880
and the one that really spoke to
me. Of course, I had already

981
01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:57.159
come to accept it. But the
fact that you can't have a and not

982
01:19:57.319 --> 01:20:00.319
a it's just it's a logical fallacy. It's not possible. So either we're

983
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:04.079
on a globe or we're on a
flat plane, and it can't be both.

984
01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:10.880
And if we're on a globe that
has we have a measurement. See

985
01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:14.960
this goes back to science and calculations. We have a calculation of the curve.

986
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:17.720
You know, math doesn't lie if
you're using the numbers, honestly,

987
01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:26.000
And we have a calculation eight inches
per miles squared. And so we have

988
01:20:26.039 --> 01:20:32.720
a calculation and especially over water,
right and if we're not because we do

989
01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:39.960
to know. Landscape changes, sure, but and elevation elevations change. So

990
01:20:41.560 --> 01:20:44.720
in fact I have a question.
Maybe you can answer this, how do

991
01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:49.239
elevations work on a globe? Yeah, And I've tried to explain that before.

992
01:20:49.239 --> 01:20:53.399
If people would sit down and do
the math with the Nile River in

993
01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:58.680
Africa, because obviously it starts lower
and as you get to the equator of

994
01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:01.760
the Earth is fatter, which makes
it even higher. How does that work

995
01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:06.239
that? That's one of my biggest
questions. And I never get a complete

996
01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:13.039
answer on that. And I mean
there's just thousands of questions like, yeah,

997
01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:15.239
well, you know, I've known
people who've been Antarctica. Why isn't

998
01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:18.640
the blood rushing to their head?
Oh? Because of gravity? Just all

999
01:21:18.680 --> 01:21:24.000
these different things that just doesn't make
any sense. And the way the toilet

1000
01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:27.880
water spins that's been debunked, and
again we're not going to have all the

1001
01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:31.960
answers, and it would be silly, silly of us as humans. I

1002
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:35.680
don't think God wants us to know
everything. I don't know if I don't

1003
01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:39.560
want that to sound like God doesn't
want us to know everything. But I

1004
01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:43.079
just think there's some things we're never
going to know. And I guess what

1005
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:48.479
I'm trying to say is maybe that's
you know, I understand as humans were

1006
01:21:48.560 --> 01:21:53.600
curious, but I mean, the
Earth is, you know, say,

1007
01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:58.039
six thousand, sixty five hundred years
old. There's still a lot of mysteries

1008
01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:01.000
out there, and I don't think
we'll be close to solving them in our

1009
01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:05.800
lifetime, not all of them.
But I do think that if we didn't

1010
01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:12.760
have this great deception right over our
head, that we could start tapping into

1011
01:22:13.359 --> 01:22:17.720
well like free energy and the ether
and just so many things that would open

1012
01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:21.960
up so many possibilities for us.
But we're like locked into this globe model,

1013
01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:28.319
so we can't go and explore.
We can't go and explore Antarctica,

1014
01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:32.039
we can't go up high ourselves.
NASA does it. You know, NASA

1015
01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:38.520
controls all the information and all the
data, and so I think that once

1016
01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:42.720
that and this is where that hope
comes in again, is I pray against

1017
01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:45.000
these evil enemies and I ask God
to tear them down because I believe that's

1018
01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:48.760
what he wants to do. Because
as it's been mentioned many times on your

1019
01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:53.880
show, is that the heavens declare
the glory of God. This is God's

1020
01:22:53.920 --> 01:23:00.479
glory. And if we're worshiping an
idol, something that man has created image

1021
01:23:00.479 --> 01:23:04.399
of the heavens that isn't real,
and we believe that we are serving an

1022
01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:13.399
idol, so to speak, it's
it's fake. And once and since Christ

1023
01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:16.279
has power over all things, I
mean, he has all power in heaven

1024
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:19.920
and earth, and He's commissioned us
in that power, and he desires his

1025
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:25.039
pre eminence on all things. He
hates Nasa, he hates these lots.

1026
01:23:25.119 --> 01:23:29.520
He wants the truth. And so
I do believe that He is going to

1027
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:32.279
tear down these enemies. I don't
know if it's going to be in our

1028
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:36.920
lifetime. I would like it to
be. And how do people not get

1029
01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:45.159
you know, reading the Old Testament
and what God did after they were trying

1030
01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:49.319
to get to heaven with the Tower
of Babel they're doing the same thing with

1031
01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:54.560
the rockets. How I don't know
how people don't see this. And you

1032
01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:57.199
know, we talk about many of
our guests, like yourself has said,

1033
01:23:57.239 --> 01:24:02.800
if we could just get people to
kind of wake up and realize that we're

1034
01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:08.319
being lied to on this grand scale. What have somebody emailed me today and

1035
01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:12.159
said it perfectly, you said,
people want to be told the truth.

1036
01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:15.399
They don't want to take the time
to find the truth for themselves, and

1037
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:18.760
unfortunately they're taking the words from the
wrong people. And there they're really a

1038
01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:23.399
lot of these people are sheep being
led to a slaughter. Yeah, that

1039
01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:29.359
is so so sad but true.
And you know where there's a lot of

1040
01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:31.319
people out there that are doing their
best. I mean, flat earth is

1041
01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:34.880
a part of it, you know, to a certain degree if you come

1042
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:41.560
at it from the biblical cosmology.
But I've gotten so many emails and this

1043
01:24:41.720 --> 01:24:45.880
really is a tip of that to
you guys, the listeners and everybody who's

1044
01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:49.439
come on this program, including Michelle
and everybody else who has been a part

1045
01:24:49.479 --> 01:24:55.039
of this journey. We have really
we have led people to Jesus Christ.

1046
01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:59.439
And if there's anything whether I walk
away from this podcast in a week or

1047
01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:01.960
in ten years. Uh, that
will be my biggest accomplishment. And when

1048
01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:04.439
I say we, I mean all
of us. It's it's a community.

1049
01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:11.000
That's amazing, you know what A
what a privilege and a blessing and an

1050
01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:15.199
honor to be a part of that. And I know I've heard other people

1051
01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:20.520
that I've listened to testify that understanding
it. We live on a place that

1052
01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:24.960
God created for us, and he's
protecting us. He's not We're not wrote

1053
01:25:25.079 --> 01:25:28.520
you know, going through space at
thousands of miles an hour, that when

1054
01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:31.039
they realize that personal God who loves
us and he placed us here and this

1055
01:25:31.239 --> 01:25:38.920
earth, and it helps them have
hope and for life, and it has

1056
01:25:39.000 --> 01:25:42.880
brought them to Him. And I
just think that that's amazing. Yeah.

1057
01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:45.920
And I'd like to add, when
when I on my other podcast, when

1058
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:49.600
I researched World War two, the
Gulf of Tonk and all these other terrible

1059
01:25:49.680 --> 01:25:55.479
things that have brought great pain and
misery on the on the human people,

1060
01:25:56.920 --> 01:25:59.960
flat Earth is the exact opposite.
Now, I guess for a minute there

1061
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:02.119
I was kind of upset that once
again I've been lied to, But at

1062
01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:08.039
the same time I felt free,
like it was a different kind of like

1063
01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:10.840
when I went down that rabbit hole
and came out, I wasn't angry.

1064
01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:15.920
I I really I felt free.
I understood that the matrix is in your

1065
01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:19.920
mind. And when you realize that, you know there are people here that

1066
01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:24.560
are hiding God, and you move
them out of the way, life is

1067
01:26:24.600 --> 01:26:29.000
so much better. And the only
thing that was a little disappointing. And

1068
01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:31.920
I don't know if you encountered this. I was so excited and I wanted

1069
01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:38.079
to share it with everybody. Not
everybody quite accepts it the same way we

1070
01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:42.319
do, right, That is very
true. So, but I like to

1071
01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:46.800
be challenged to a point, and
my husband has challenged me, and my

1072
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:51.560
daughter has challenged me. My father
has challenged me. And of the three,

1073
01:26:51.640 --> 01:26:57.600
I think my dad's been the most
interested, my husband has been the

1074
01:26:57.680 --> 01:27:02.680
least interested, and my daughter is
She was interesting. She was coming from

1075
01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:08.800
a position that her a friend of
her father, her biological father who's now

1076
01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:13.239
no longer live, had was a
flat earther, and so she, my

1077
01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:17.640
daughter, was trying to find study
flat Earth. And I she must have

1078
01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:20.840
gone to the Flat Earth Society or
something, or I'm not sure what,

1079
01:27:21.000 --> 01:27:25.640
because she came out like Oh,
how stupid. You know, it's wrong.

1080
01:27:26.199 --> 01:27:29.199
And so when I started talking to
her about She's like, oh,

1081
01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:32.000
I've already you know, I've already
been down that trail. And of course

1082
01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:35.359
then I'm like, well what about
this? What about that? And then

1083
01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:41.000
she sent sent me an article.
This is really interesting. There were two

1084
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:45.600
lines of thought that I struggled with. She sent me an article about flight

1085
01:27:45.680 --> 01:27:53.359
paths, and it was it was
supposedly these flight flat flight paths that prove

1086
01:27:53.680 --> 01:27:56.319
we live on a globe. And
I'm scratching my head because I'm like,

1087
01:27:56.359 --> 01:27:59.560
there's the you know, emergency landings
that prove we live on flat earth,

1088
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:05.680
And so how does this how can
this article be coming to this, you

1089
01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:11.399
know, this opposite conclusion of what
seems logical based on the flight patterns that

1090
01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:15.439
I investigated. And so I looked
into it, and I looked into one

1091
01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:21.439
flight specifically and on this particular thing
that was by George Carter. It was

1092
01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:27.720
on the Christian Ministries International. It
was not co authored by Jonathan Sarfodi this

1093
01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:31.479
particular article, but he was.
It was like a homeschool project. This

1094
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.199
is so cool. We got these
flight patterns and we're going to prove that

1095
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:39.039
the Earth is a globe, and
so put together the saying, well,

1096
01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:43.960
I just picked one and it was
I think from Perth to Johannesburg, and

1097
01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:48.399
they have this one way flight on
there and and it was shorter than the

1098
01:28:48.399 --> 01:28:53.399
flight that goes up to Dubai and
down, and I thought, you know,

1099
01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:55.680
I mean, that really was a
head scratcher for me. I was

1100
01:28:55.720 --> 01:29:00.159
just like, really threw me back, because I hadn't become convinced yet at

1101
01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:04.760
one hundred percent. I was getting
close. And and then I watched this

1102
01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:11.880
video by Banjo something Banjo Oh yeah, yeah, yeah Earth, yeah,

1103
01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:16.479
flat Earth Banjo. So he was
talking about them faking flights, and I'm

1104
01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:19.840
just like, oh my gosh,
this is just ridiculous. They're not going

1105
01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:25.279
to fake flights just to just debunk
a you know, to debunk flatters.

1106
01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:28.399
And then I started thinking about it. I'm like, well, they did

1107
01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:35.640
fake the moon landing, and they
did fake the the globe, so why

1108
01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:40.479
why wouldn't they fake a flight?
And and here's the thing, I can't

1109
01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:44.520
afford two thousand dollars to go take
that flight to test it, and so

1110
01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:47.399
it's not testable, observable and repeatable
for me. Now, maybe for someone

1111
01:29:47.439 --> 01:29:49.920
else it is, and I'm open, you know, but I don't know

1112
01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:54.479
how fast that plane is going.
You know, there's just so many factors

1113
01:29:54.560 --> 01:29:59.479
that you that you would have to
put into that equation to be able to

1114
01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:04.680
really call that concrete proof. And
even then, um, when you have

1115
01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:10.039
it was when I was thinking about
this and I'm like, oh, oh

1116
01:30:10.039 --> 01:30:14.039
no, maybe I'm wrong. And
then I'm like, yeah, but we

1117
01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:16.479
can see too far, that's right. You know. It's like it's either

1118
01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:19.520
we're living on a flat earth or
we're living on a globe. It can't

1119
01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:23.880
be both. And if we're on
a globe, it has to curve somewhere

1120
01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:29.119
and and where is that? And
I'm so committed to this cause I even

1121
01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:38.159
saved up my my allowance so that
I could buy a Nikon P that things

1122
01:30:38.159 --> 01:30:42.000
heavy. I wish I would have
gone through the nine hundred, but um,

1123
01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:45.600
I still haven't been able to do
any distant testing with it. But

1124
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:50.319
I have done some photography of the
moon and the stars. And another issue

1125
01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:53.760
with my daughter was, you know, I was trying to share with her

1126
01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:57.760
about the Bible says that the moon
is a light. That's right, that's

1127
01:30:57.800 --> 01:31:00.560
a big one. It's not reflection
of the Sun, they tell us.

1128
01:31:00.560 --> 01:31:03.439
And the other thing is you either
have to believe the globe or not.

1129
01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:09.760
And they say the globe on top
of everything else between all of the Luciferian

1130
01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:14.079
numerology that's involved with it, says
it's four and a half billion years old,

1131
01:31:14.239 --> 01:31:15.840
and of course the Big Bang and
everything else that goes with it.

1132
01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:19.920
So once again, if you're going
with the globe, are you gonna just

1133
01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:24.640
pick and choose, you know,
what you believe and whatnot, or are

1134
01:31:24.680 --> 01:31:30.399
you gonna actually just And I urge
people, maybe if this is the first

1135
01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:35.079
podcast you're listening to in the series, just put down your pride a little

1136
01:31:35.119 --> 01:31:40.800
bit and lower your guard. And
it's not I'm here to tell you it's

1137
01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:44.960
not as crazy as you think.
And for the first forty eight years of

1138
01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:48.199
my life I wouldn't even would I
would have sent you for a drug test.

1139
01:31:48.239 --> 01:31:51.239
And for whatever reason, God led
me to put my guard down just

1140
01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:55.680
long enough to talk to David Weiss. And one thing I should say is

1141
01:31:56.760 --> 01:32:00.560
flat Earth Banjo is great. He
did a episode yes day talking about when

1142
01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:05.520
lasers hit the firmament, So I'll
put his YouTube channel in the show description

1143
01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:11.800
as well. So we'll have that. We'll have that Encyclopedia Brita Canna Britannic

1144
01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:15.079
excuse me from nineteen fifty eight,
because I don't ever want to assume people

1145
01:32:15.600 --> 01:32:18.520
have listened to every single podcast.
So all that stuff we've talked about tonight

1146
01:32:18.520 --> 01:32:23.279
will be in the show description for
folks to check out, just in case

1147
01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:27.880
it's the first time you're listening.
And what you said, George is so

1148
01:32:27.960 --> 01:32:31.800
key. It was letting down my
guard. I had made a commitment years

1149
01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:35.479
ago, or maybe months ago.
I don't know that I was going to

1150
01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:40.479
trust God's word no matter what,
and I would believe it wherever it took

1151
01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:44.920
me. And so I don't have
to be afraid to research anything. But

1152
01:32:45.039 --> 01:32:47.359
if my guard was up and I
wasn't willing to research it, I would

1153
01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:51.920
have never ever come to the conclusions
that I have because I would have never

1154
01:32:51.960 --> 01:32:59.039
considered it. And so, and
we shouldn't have to be afraid to research

1155
01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:05.039
anything, you know, any topic
if it interests us, and so just

1156
01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:09.720
you know, I would just say
to anybody, if you're on defense,

1157
01:33:09.920 --> 01:33:15.760
just just look into it. You
know, I believe the evidence becomes irrefutable.

1158
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:21.399
It's just becomes so obvious the lies
that we've been taught, the fake

1159
01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:29.239
science, the lack of observation of
things that we accept. It's just as

1160
01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:33.159
mind boggling, it really is.
And one thing I want to mention before

1161
01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:41.760
I forget, you have been a
tremendous It's been a tremendous conversation. I

1162
01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:45.760
want to remind folks that in the
show description there's going to be Michelle's email,

1163
01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:47.479
but she also has a sub stack
and that's going to be in the

1164
01:33:47.479 --> 01:33:51.800
show description, and it's called Reformed
Earth, and there's a chat room in

1165
01:33:51.800 --> 01:33:55.079
there, so you can click on
the trap of the chat excuse me,

1166
01:33:55.520 --> 01:34:00.439
and you can drop a message to
Michelle and to conversate there as well.

1167
01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:09.479
Was there anything that you had maybe
and that we haven't talked about yet that

1168
01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:14.000
you wanted to mention. I'm sure
there's a lot of things. I took

1169
01:34:14.039 --> 01:34:15.479
so many notes, but I thought, you know what, Michelle, You're

1170
01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:19.119
not going to even be able to
go through all these notes and I would

1171
01:34:19.199 --> 01:34:23.640
be stumbling like where did I write
that down? Or that the website was

1172
01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:30.039
that on? I did want to
follow up on, you know, the

1173
01:34:30.399 --> 01:34:34.560
taking the picture of the moon,
sure, and with my p Nick on

1174
01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:39.600
P one thousand is you can see
the raise of light coming out of the

1175
01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:43.840
moon. And I don't know any
other way to explain that. And when

1176
01:34:43.880 --> 01:34:45.920
I sent that picture to my daughter
after I took it, and I because

1177
01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:49.840
she I had mentioned to her about
the moon being a light, and she

1178
01:34:50.279 --> 01:34:54.359
went and she said, well,
I went and I researched all the passages

1179
01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:57.920
in the Bible, and I could
not find one of them that would absolutely

1180
01:34:57.960 --> 01:35:01.359
have to be the moon being a
light. And I settle, Okay,

1181
01:35:01.640 --> 01:35:06.960
you know, I didn't push her
on it, And then I took that

1182
01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:11.039
picture of the moon and I'm like, do you see did you notice like

1183
01:35:11.439 --> 01:35:14.760
where it looks like there's like light
rays coming out of it? Like,

1184
01:35:14.840 --> 01:35:18.920
yeah, I kind of saw that. I mean, so again, I

1185
01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:25.039
think it's because again around the water
cool at work, people they'll talk about

1186
01:35:25.239 --> 01:35:33.520
most air quote conspiracy theories. But
again they have made it such a stigmatism,

1187
01:35:34.279 --> 01:35:39.000
right, nobody wants to be associated
with being called a flat earth.

1188
01:35:39.279 --> 01:35:45.760
That is their Bernasian mining control that
the controllers have on the people. And

1189
01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:51.319
again I think it's Genesis one sixteen
that is very plain about it. He

1190
01:35:51.399 --> 01:35:57.479
made two great lights, one to
rule the day and a lesser to rule

1191
01:35:57.640 --> 01:36:01.720
the night. You know, I
agree on now, I would have argued

1192
01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:10.439
against it maybe a year ago,
right right light, Yeah, exactly.

1193
01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:15.439
And it goes back to, you
know, we either take the Bible wholesale

1194
01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:17.800
or we don't. We can't.
I feel that we just can't pick and

1195
01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:25.920
choose, because it's it's funny people
think that that people thousands of years ago

1196
01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:30.119
weren't smart. And there is an
article out there. I need to find

1197
01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:32.600
it and drop it in the chat
room. A couple of years ago,

1198
01:36:32.720 --> 01:36:36.920
they took a test I think it
was tenth graders from eighteen eighty five,

1199
01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:42.159
and they gave it to tenth graders
of maybe it was twenty eighteen or something

1200
01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:45.800
like that, and I think ninety
plus percent of them failed out right.

1201
01:36:46.439 --> 01:36:51.800
So to say that those people back
then weren't smart, I don't know.

1202
01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:58.199
It's I think they have hidden so
much wisdom from us from us over the

1203
01:36:58.680 --> 01:37:04.640
years. And that's what the Illuminati
is all about, being illuminated, hiding

1204
01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:10.279
information from the masses. And this
is part of their long range plan,

1205
01:37:10.439 --> 01:37:14.159
was to dumb down the masses.
And when the federal government hijacked the education

1206
01:37:14.239 --> 01:37:16.960
system, they make it less and
less challenging. Now the City of Chicago,

1207
01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:23.640
their new mayor is saying no more
homework and no more fs. So,

1208
01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:27.520
like you said, going back to
it doesn't matter if you win or

1209
01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:30.319
lose. Everybody gets a hot dog. Do you think these these children are

1210
01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:34.600
going to try? Of course not. Oh that's that's so sad to hear.

1211
01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:40.720
Yeah. And then when you take
what you just said about people being

1212
01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:46.039
supposedly less smart the older, in
the older generations, but you look at

1213
01:37:46.119 --> 01:37:50.720
the architecture and you look at the
stops that they did, and you it

1214
01:37:50.840 --> 01:37:57.000
just there's like a disconnect because obviously
some of this architecture is far superior than

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01:37:57.119 --> 01:38:00.439
anything we can put out with our
modern tools, or that we even attempt

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01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:08.199
to. Absolutely one hundred percent,
I couldn't agree more. And that really

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01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:13.680
I think comes out in the history
of flat Lost history of flat Earth and

1218
01:38:13.800 --> 01:38:18.159
talking about these cathedrals and potential,
and I just take it as a potential

1219
01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:23.840
because I don't know if they really
generated electricity, but I think they made

1220
01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:28.520
a really excellent case for that,
especially when you throw in Nicola Tesla and

1221
01:38:28.680 --> 01:38:35.520
his basically saying that Einstein was just
he's all theory and it's there's no reality

1222
01:38:35.560 --> 01:38:40.439
in the physics in the world that
we live in. And and Tesla was

1223
01:38:40.439 --> 01:38:46.199
all about patents and experiments and actually
producing some result as opposed to writing an

1224
01:38:46.199 --> 01:38:51.680
equation after the fact to prove something
that's not true exactly. And you know,

1225
01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:55.640
I should mention, by the way, we've mentioned the lost history of

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01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:59.960
flat Earth a few times. I
actually put that on my flat Earth file

1227
01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:03.760
Rumble channel nine weeks ago and it
has twenty one thousand views, so I

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01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:06.479
should probably put that in the show
description as well. Once again, for

1229
01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:11.199
people, let's not assume everybody has
listened to every episode, so but make

1230
01:39:11.199 --> 01:39:13.760
sure you pack a lunch when you
watch it. It's like six hours.

1231
01:39:14.319 --> 01:39:16.560
It is a long one. But
wait, you know, I really believe

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that God wants wants us to know
the truth, and so I think we

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01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:27.279
ought to be praying and asking God
to open eyes, and and I hope

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01:39:27.279 --> 01:39:30.680
that he opens the eyes of my
family. My husband, he won't even

1235
01:39:31.520 --> 01:39:34.279
he won't even talk about it with
me. So he used to. He

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01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:41.079
worked up for rocketyne oh okay,
subsidiary of NASA. Right, yes,

1237
01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:45.840
he worked on the actually on the
Space Shuttle. He was a rocket propulsion

1238
01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:50.079
engineer on the Space Shuttle program gotcha
in, so, he says Michelle,

1239
01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:57.920
I've I've just seen things that you
just don't understand. So okay, Yeah,

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01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:00.000
I used to believe that too,
But you know, when I reflected

1241
01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:04.159
on my time in the military,
things are so compartmentalized. I used to

1242
01:40:04.199 --> 01:40:08.000
believe so many things. But I
also at the same time I realized how

1243
01:40:08.039 --> 01:40:12.119
easy it was because these corporations like
Rockadine, like NASA, like the US

1244
01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:15.880
military, which again NASA and the
US military, they're all part of the

1245
01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:21.359
same military industrial complex. And people
say, why would they blow up the

1246
01:40:21.439 --> 01:40:25.600
Challenger? Well, you mean other
than the three billion dollar contract they got

1247
01:40:25.640 --> 01:40:30.760
to rebuild the next Space Shuttle and
that's its own rabbit hole in itself.

1248
01:40:33.039 --> 01:40:38.279
Yeah, they deal with out on
level three. Yeah, exactly, really,

1249
01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:44.199
which you know they on level three
they proposed an interesting idea which I

1250
01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:48.640
don't agree with, but it was
at least interesting that defirmament is flat.

1251
01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:53.079
What did you did you watch that? And what were your thoughts on that?

1252
01:40:53.720 --> 01:41:00.520
I heard about it. I haven't
watched it yet, know I guess

1253
01:41:00.600 --> 01:41:05.079
I would have an issue with it
as far as if it is holding the

1254
01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:10.239
water above? Are they saying that
it would be flat across and then go

1255
01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:14.399
straight up, because I mean,
according to the Bible, the windows of

1256
01:41:14.439 --> 01:41:17.520
the firmament were open to to flood
the earth. So I guess i'd have

1257
01:41:17.600 --> 01:41:23.800
to watch. I forget was this
a video or audio podcast. It was

1258
01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:28.640
a video podcast. You actually had
to pay for it. The first two

1259
01:41:28.760 --> 01:41:31.279
or free, but this one,
and they may make it pre eventually,

1260
01:41:31.279 --> 01:41:34.039
but I mean I paid five dollars
for it, so it was worth it.

1261
01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:38.680
So exactly when when you say the
firmament is flat, exactly how did

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01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:43.079
they describe it? Well, they
didn't go into a lot of detail,

1263
01:41:43.119 --> 01:41:46.119
but they basically we're saying, just
like the Earth is a flat plane,

1264
01:41:46.399 --> 01:41:49.439
the firmament is a flat plane.
So it's a solid surface, but a

1265
01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:54.000
flat plane. And I you know, I don't know does it have boundaries?

1266
01:41:54.279 --> 01:41:58.000
You know, I don't know how
is it infinite? They didn't go

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01:41:58.039 --> 01:42:00.640
into a whole lot of details.
And I think my biggest qualm with that

1268
01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:09.760
is it seems that we are limited
by the sun light because I don't think

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01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:13.760
there can be unlimited Well, there
could be unlimited land, but there's only

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01:42:13.800 --> 01:42:18.880
one sun and so it has its
limits. And I've watched the some videos

1271
01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:25.720
which are very interesting on the Moon
being a reflection of the land, And

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01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:30.199
there was one that talked about like
how through the ages that maybe the sun

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01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:38.760
is it moves its course through the
ages so that new land is exposed.

1274
01:42:39.720 --> 01:42:44.720
I can't remember where I saw that, but it was interesting. So,

1275
01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:47.199
but there's no other way to if
the Moon is a mirror of the Earth,

1276
01:42:47.239 --> 01:42:50.640
which I'm not saying it is,
but if it is, if there's

1277
01:42:50.640 --> 01:42:58.359
a whole lot more land being shown
on the Moon than we are, we

1278
01:42:58.800 --> 01:43:01.720
than the known Earth. So I
am open to more land for sure,

1279
01:43:03.039 --> 01:43:09.840
but I don't know where it is. It would be in an Antarctica area

1280
01:43:09.880 --> 01:43:12.640
for sure, and maybe even at
the North Pole. I've heard some things,

1281
01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:15.600
so that's a big thing there.
And I've gotten several emails saying that,

1282
01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:18.479
you know, they talk about Antarctica
so much, is that a distraction?

1283
01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:27.399
Because think about it, like God
is above the polaris right that people

1284
01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:30.560
say that, you know, he
sits on his throne, his feet are

1285
01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:35.159
there. So maybe two things.
Number One, people say that Antarctica might

1286
01:43:35.199 --> 01:43:40.560
be a distraction to a certain extent. Maybe, but I still think there's

1287
01:43:40.600 --> 01:43:43.199
a lot of things down there that
they know about that they don't want us

1288
01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:46.159
to know about. But the other
thing I wanted to mention was, you

1289
01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:48.760
know, I got caught up in
the David Waste videos too, and I

1290
01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:54.199
always give them credit for waking me
up to this, but I started getting

1291
01:43:54.199 --> 01:43:59.520
excited about, well, maybe there
is land past you know, Antarctica,

1292
01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:02.039
and then and again, maybe there
is other suns and moons. And then

1293
01:44:02.159 --> 01:44:05.399
but you go back to the Bible. You know there's only one son in

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01:44:05.439 --> 01:44:11.159
one moon. There's not multiple.
He made two great lights wonderful, you

1295
01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:15.720
know what I mean. So maybe
there's hidden land absolutely, who knows what

1296
01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:21.239
else they're lying about? Um,
And maybe there are more secrets in the

1297
01:44:21.399 --> 01:44:25.520
Arctic. But again I go back
to the Bible, and I think,

1298
01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:30.760
m anything that's livable would be within
this realm here, right. I agree,

1299
01:44:31.159 --> 01:44:35.319
unless we can create an artificial son, and I think that's possible too,

1300
01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:41.600
But I believe that we are.
We have the firmament has boundaries.

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01:44:41.640 --> 01:44:45.359
I don't. I don't think it's
Yeah, I agree with you on both.

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01:44:46.159 --> 01:44:48.960
I saw a video I think it
was in China where they created an

1303
01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:53.600
artificial son. Wasn't there something about
that? Maybe six months a year ago?

1304
01:44:54.399 --> 01:44:57.760
Yeah, it's been in the it's
been in the in some of my

1305
01:44:58.880 --> 01:45:02.880
telegram and between that and harp and
what. But you know, Glendale,

1306
01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:06.119
you know, it's just messing with
nature that these things. I don't think

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01:45:06.199 --> 01:45:11.319
pleases God very much. Oh no, I know it doesn't. And and

1308
01:45:11.359 --> 01:45:15.000
I believe it's his zeal that's going
to put an end to it. I

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01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:17.720
just don't know what that's going to
look like. Yeah, and um,

1310
01:45:18.399 --> 01:45:21.720
we have enemies, so you know, in America we have all kinds of

1311
01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:28.359
enemies that could come in. You
know, we think we have in America.

1312
01:45:28.640 --> 01:45:31.479
The Church and Mass has come to
accept the fact that God's laws are

1313
01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:36.560
burdensome and we don't have to obey
them, that they're not valid. They're

1314
01:45:36.600 --> 01:45:41.479
can you know, they're suggestion,
the ten suggestions, the ten suggestions.

1315
01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:45.079
Oh yeah, that's right, because
you know, if we follow the Bible

1316
01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:46.560
to the letter, we're not going
to be able to enjoy ourselves, right,

1317
01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:51.079
right, right, And and that's
legalistic. And but the Bible teaches

1318
01:45:51.159 --> 01:45:56.880
that his law, God's law is
the law of liberty. It's the law

1319
01:45:56.880 --> 01:46:00.760
that brings freedom, it's the law
that keeps tie rants in check. And

1320
01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:06.039
it's the law that brings blessing and
joy. And you know, God wants

1321
01:46:06.079 --> 01:46:10.720
nothing more than for us to eat
under our own fig tree and not be

1322
01:46:10.760 --> 01:46:15.760
oppressed by people or nations or tyrants. He wants us to be free,

1323
01:46:16.439 --> 01:46:23.479
not free to sin, but free
to enjoy the abundant life that Jesus Christ

1324
01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:26.880
came to give. He says,
I have come to give you life and

1325
01:46:26.920 --> 01:46:30.079
to give it to you more abundantly. And so this lie, it's it's

1326
01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:33.640
a satanic lie that, oh,
no, God's ways are terrible, they're

1327
01:46:33.680 --> 01:46:40.239
not fun, they're not fun.
It's Satan's lie. And the reality is

1328
01:46:40.279 --> 01:46:44.199
that it's just the opposite. God's
laws are wonderful and they bring blessing and

1329
01:46:44.279 --> 01:46:49.960
bounty and peace and joy, and
when they're applied lawfully. Because we can

1330
01:46:50.279 --> 01:46:55.560
use God's law unlawfully. It talks
about using it lawfully in the Bible.

1331
01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:58.640
And how do we use it lawfully? Well, it's not the way to

1332
01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:01.960
salvation. We cannot be saved by
keeping the law. If it was possible

1333
01:47:02.079 --> 01:47:05.399
for anybody to be saved by keeping
the law, then Jesus would not have

1334
01:47:05.479 --> 01:47:11.560
had to die on our behalf.
And that's the gospel. But what does

1335
01:47:11.640 --> 01:47:17.039
come is the blessings upon nations when
they keep His law, blessings on households,

1336
01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:21.239
sometimes with persecution too, because we're
in a battle. And until all

1337
01:47:21.279 --> 01:47:29.319
the enemies are under Christ's feet.
And this is Psalm one ten one.

1338
01:47:29.560 --> 01:47:34.840
I hope I just gave the right
one. It talks about Christ ruling until

1339
01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:41.199
all of his enemies are under his
feet. And that is the most quoted

1340
01:47:41.279 --> 01:47:45.439
verse in the New Testament. And
that's what he's in the process of doing.

1341
01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:48.319
He is in the process because he's
ruling now. It says, he

1342
01:47:48.439 --> 01:47:50.800
is sitting at the right hand of
God, and he has all power and

1343
01:47:50.840 --> 01:47:58.720
authority, and he is ruling now, and he's using his church where kings

1344
01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:02.560
and queens pre and you know,
in his kingdom, trying to bring his

1345
01:48:02.640 --> 01:48:06.159
law to bear on all of society, starting in our life and our homes

1346
01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:14.479
and our cities, in our countries
and nations. And but it says,

1347
01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:16.560
and this is over and over.
You just study the saw on one ten

1348
01:48:16.600 --> 01:48:20.239
and how it's used in the New
Testament. It says he must reign until

1349
01:48:20.319 --> 01:48:24.319
all of his enemies are a footstool
for his feet. And it's not talking

1350
01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:28.119
about reigning here on earth. It's
talking about him reigning in heaven. In

1351
01:48:28.199 --> 01:48:30.920
fact, there's a couple verses that
specifically say that he's in heaven, that

1352
01:48:31.159 --> 01:48:34.760
he must be in heaven until all
of these things have happened, until all

1353
01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:40.479
of his enemies are under his feet, And I just want can I recommend

1354
01:48:40.640 --> 01:48:45.560
a sermon series? Sure? Okay, So we went through this in twenty

1355
01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:51.039
twenty, and we started in probably
in twenty nineteen, and it carried us

1356
01:48:51.039 --> 01:48:56.640
into twenty twenty because it's like a
hundred sermon series, at least one hundred.

1357
01:48:56.680 --> 01:49:00.880
But it's on the Book of Revelation, and it's from Philip Kaiser is

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01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:09.680
the pastor, And I think you
go to Biblical blueprints dot com. I

1359
01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:13.720
probably should, um, and then
Revelation Study. Do you want to look

1360
01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:15.600
that up or do you want me
to look that up? What was the

1361
01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:20.279
website again? Um? I think
it's I'll let me just look it up.

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01:49:20.399 --> 01:49:26.479
Okay, there's a YouTube channel,
but it's definitely not the same.

1363
01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:30.039
Okay, yeah, no, this
isn't. He's on sermon audio also,

1364
01:49:30.640 --> 01:49:38.000
but he has a like the Revelation
Project is what it's called. H Oh,

1365
01:49:38.199 --> 01:49:43.520
I can't get to my keyboard and
Biblical okay, Biblical that's not it,

1366
01:49:44.720 --> 01:49:46.520
all right, I will send you
a Linkum, did you say it

1367
01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:53.359
was Biblical blueprints dot com? Yes, pet, yes, yes, that's

1368
01:49:53.359 --> 01:49:58.119
it right there. And that sermon
series for my husband and I was life

1369
01:49:58.199 --> 01:50:00.920
changing. We went through it during
the pandemic and it was like we were

1370
01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:04.520
binge listening to it. It was
it was just so good. And he

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01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:11.560
just opened up the Book of Revelation
in a way that has never been opened

1372
01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:15.720
up to us before. And there's
time indicators in there about when these things

1373
01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:21.520
will happen, and he talks about
that. And so as a society we

1374
01:50:23.399 --> 01:50:28.960
have been i think misled on when
the book was written and when the book

1375
01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:32.520
was, what the audience to,
who to whom it was written. And

1376
01:50:33.279 --> 01:50:39.880
so it's very much parallels the Book
of Ezekiel, which Ezekiel is talking about

1377
01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:46.560
the destruction of the Temple when they
when Israel went into captivity to Babylon,

1378
01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:50.079
and the Book of Revelation, not
the whole book, but a lot of

1379
01:50:50.079 --> 01:50:56.920
the book is dedicated to the destruction
of Jerusalem in seventy a d. And

1380
01:50:57.000 --> 01:51:02.239
he proves that just in my opinion, just hands down, using history and

1381
01:51:02.439 --> 01:51:10.520
coins. And the Bible of course
is the primary source and reading common tarries

1382
01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:16.479
from every possible viewpoint to come up
with what he really believes the Texas teaching

1383
01:51:16.560 --> 01:51:20.079
and I just think, again,
I've never found one person that I agree

1384
01:51:20.079 --> 01:51:25.319
with one hundred percent, but this
sermon series is so spot on, and

1385
01:51:25.359 --> 01:51:30.840
it just helped us to understand all
the irrational things that we were seeing happening

1386
01:51:30.920 --> 01:51:35.279
during COVID because things were so irrational. And one of the points that he

1387
01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:41.760
makes in this sermon series is when
you see things irrational happening, you can

1388
01:51:41.840 --> 01:51:46.760
know for sure that there's demonic activity
involved. And it just helped us navigate

1389
01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:55.279
the pandemic so so much better because
I didn't have fear over what was going

1390
01:51:55.319 --> 01:51:57.000
on. I was able to just
go, Okay, God, so it

1391
01:51:57.079 --> 01:51:59.600
got this. He's in control,
he knows what he's doing. I may

1392
01:51:59.640 --> 01:52:01.760
not know he's doing, but he
knows. Yeah. This is great.

1393
01:52:01.840 --> 01:52:04.720
Make sure, folks, when you
click on the link, it's one hundred

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01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:08.960
and eighteen episodes, but you got
to start from the bottom. The first

1395
01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:13.560
episode was actually recorded April twenty six, twenty fifteen, and the one hundred

1396
01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:16.560
and eighteenth episode wrapped up December twenty
six, twenty eighteen. This was.

1397
01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:24.279
I mean, this is a work
of love to put this much effort into

1398
01:52:24.319 --> 01:52:28.479
this. So again, folks,
this will be in the show description for

1399
01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:30.920
you guys to enjoy. It'll take
you to the website and just scroll down

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01:52:30.920 --> 01:52:33.840
a little bit and then it'll say
the full text. It gives you the

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01:52:33.880 --> 01:52:41.920
text and audio of every of A
one, one and eighteen sermons on revelations.

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01:52:43.399 --> 01:52:45.720
And keep in mind he does not
come from a flat earth perspective,

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01:52:45.760 --> 01:52:53.640
but I do believe he's been influenced
by Martin Selbretti, who is a geocentrist.

1404
01:52:54.479 --> 01:52:56.640
I'm pretty sure. Now I could
be wrong, but I'm pretty sure

1405
01:52:56.640 --> 01:53:00.920
it was. It was this sermon
series or one series from him where he

1406
01:53:00.520 --> 01:53:08.760
recommended us to a series or a
movie called The Principle, which is about

1407
01:53:09.239 --> 01:53:15.319
geocentrism versus heliocentrism. It was a
I don't know, do you know soon

1408
01:53:15.439 --> 01:53:19.840
Gennis. He's the one who he
did some debate with Rob Scheba, I

1409
01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:23.840
think one time. But anyway,
he's the one who put the documentary out.

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01:53:24.680 --> 01:53:30.399
But our friend acquaintance, Martin Celbretti
was featured, not featured, but

1411
01:53:30.399 --> 01:53:33.960
he was in the film, and
so we watched it and apparently we weren't

1412
01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:41.560
too moved by it because we left
the way still global on the globe so

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01:53:42.119 --> 01:53:46.479
or in the heliocentric model. But
we all have our journey and it's it's

1414
01:53:46.479 --> 01:53:49.640
got to be the right time for
us to accept the information. I've learned

1415
01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:55.920
that and I'm just glad that that
it has reached so many people. And

1416
01:53:55.920 --> 01:53:58.680
with that, we do need to
wrap it up. I would like to

1417
01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:04.319
give you the asked word to address
the folks. Okay, first of all,

1418
01:54:04.359 --> 01:54:06.560
thank you, and I did have
something that was top of mind,

1419
01:54:06.560 --> 01:54:11.560
but it just went to the bottom. Oh no, maybe you'll remember,

1420
01:54:12.079 --> 01:54:15.680
Maybe I will remember. Oh I
know, yes, I do remember.

1421
01:54:15.880 --> 01:54:18.960
And that was the first time I
reached out to you. I think I

1422
01:54:19.000 --> 01:54:24.039
was about ninety eight percent believing in
the flat earth. The thing that was

1423
01:54:24.079 --> 01:54:29.199
holding me back was the absolute proof
that the rotation of the stars in the

1424
01:54:29.239 --> 01:54:32.279
Southern hemisphere disproved of flat earth.
So that was what was holding me back.

1425
01:54:32.680 --> 01:54:41.119
But one of your listeners sent in
an email and mentioned about a series

1426
01:54:41.159 --> 01:54:46.840
from Pinnacle Baptist Church. And after
going through that series, because the way

1427
01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:49.479
he presented it, there was nothing
in it that I was like, I

1428
01:54:49.479 --> 01:54:54.319
can't share this with other people.
He had some different views on the end

1429
01:54:54.359 --> 01:55:00.159
times and whatnot, but that after
I went through that series, I was

1430
01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:06.039
one hundred percent convinced of flat Earth. And it was you had you talk

1431
01:55:06.159 --> 01:55:11.079
a lot about how you had those
like two weeks of sleeplessness. Well,

1432
01:55:11.119 --> 01:55:17.520
I was just spending every free moment
that I had researching flat Earth and until

1433
01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:21.159
I watched this series, and I
by the end of the series, I

1434
01:55:21.239 --> 01:55:25.159
was just like, Michelle, you
believe this, you just need to accept

1435
01:55:25.199 --> 01:55:28.520
it. And I'm like, okay. And so it was that video series

1436
01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:32.000
that really pushed me over the edge
from Pinnacle Baptist Church, and you had

1437
01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:36.359
shared I don't remember what episode it
was in, but whoever sent that email,

1438
01:55:36.399 --> 01:55:41.239
I just just thank you so much. What he did different than anyone

1439
01:55:41.279 --> 01:55:44.560
else is he started with the Bible
and he said, here's what the Bible

1440
01:55:44.600 --> 01:55:47.720
teaches, and then he presented the
evidence. And it wasn't like he added

1441
01:55:47.880 --> 01:55:51.960
there wasn't anything new that he shared. And I didn't agree with everything he

1442
01:55:53.000 --> 01:55:58.079
said, but there was nothing knew
that he shared that I had not already

1443
01:55:58.079 --> 01:56:00.560
heard or listened to. But the
way he laid it out, it just

1444
01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:05.479
it was like he almost was just
really going through my own journey, and

1445
01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:10.920
I'm like, you know what,
I just need to accept that that the

1446
01:56:10.920 --> 01:56:15.000
Earth is flat. And as soon
as I accepted it, that insatiable urge

1447
01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:19.720
to research it just it just went
away. And I just accepted it.

1448
01:56:19.760 --> 01:56:25.239
I embraced that I believe in the
flat earth or you know, not a

1449
01:56:25.239 --> 01:56:30.920
globe. And it was really just
very peaceful. I still research all the

1450
01:56:30.920 --> 01:56:35.479
time, but I'm not like obsessed
with it. That's awesome, what a

1451
01:56:35.479 --> 01:56:39.680
great story, and it's it's really
wonderful. What a community we have.

1452
01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:44.119
Like every time we have a guest
on they email me back, is like

1453
01:56:44.239 --> 01:56:47.520
within two days they've got all kinds
of emails and have new acquaintance. So

1454
01:56:47.680 --> 01:56:51.800
it is really quite a cool community
to be a part of. And if

1455
01:56:51.840 --> 01:56:57.439
you would put that link for the
Pinnacle Baptist Church, if you still have

1456
01:56:57.560 --> 01:57:01.840
that, I would. I just
think your readers, if anybody's on the

1457
01:57:01.880 --> 01:57:08.000
fence, I think it's just a
really excellent series. Yeah I emailed that

1458
01:57:08.039 --> 01:57:13.119
to you, right, Um,
No, it was actually it was in

1459
01:57:13.119 --> 01:57:17.079
one of your podcast episodes probably haven't
written written down. It was an email

1460
01:57:17.159 --> 01:57:20.680
somebody had sent you and you had
you know how you read your email.

1461
01:57:20.760 --> 01:57:25.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
it must have been in the show description.

1462
01:57:25.640 --> 01:57:27.319
I'll find it. Yeah, for
sure, it was in the show

1463
01:57:27.359 --> 01:57:29.760
notes. Yeah, it was in
the show notes. I wish I could

1464
01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:32.720
tell you which episode. That's okay, I can my where I produced these

1465
01:57:32.720 --> 01:57:35.800
things that the search engine works really
well, I should find it pretty quick.

1466
01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:43.720
Excellent. Well, well thank you, yeah, well, thank you.

1467
01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:46.079
It's it's been just a tremendous two
hours and I know you're going to

1468
01:57:46.159 --> 01:57:50.159
get a lot of positive feedback and
I know everybody's going to be very appreciative

1469
01:57:50.760 --> 01:57:56.399
of everything that you talked about tonight. And again, if you'd like to

1470
01:57:56.399 --> 01:57:59.920
reach out to Michelle, her email
will be there, but also check out

1471
01:58:00.039 --> 01:58:05.000
her substack again. There's a chat
room and it's Michelle m I S C

1472
01:58:05.439 --> 01:58:10.760
H E l l E dot substack
dot com. And don't worry about trying

1473
01:58:10.760 --> 01:58:13.680
to write it down. It'll be
in the show description. So just click

1474
01:58:13.720 --> 01:58:15.600
on it and you can jump in, you can read her articles, you

1475
01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:19.000
can jump in the chat and you
can go from there. So again,

1476
01:58:19.079 --> 01:58:23.039
once once again, thank you so
much. Michelle. It's been a real

1477
01:58:23.079 --> 01:58:26.760
pleasure meeting you, and I hope
we can do this again down the road.

1478
01:58:27.560 --> 01:58:29.960
Absolutely, thank you so much,
George, you bet