Hello, everyone, how are you. I'm on the road issue people are watching video, you can see that I'm in a different setting, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host. And did you know that today is Tuesday? Yes, I'm saying two because it's two twenty two, twenty two. Can you imagine that the day? I'm sure everyone's playing the lottery. Well, if you are doing that, good luck. We have a great guest today and I kind of got her all jumbled up because I'm kind of jumbled up and she I think I told her to be in studio in an hour, but she's going to be jumping in any minute. I may bring Bill in for a minute to help me out until then. Our blog this week is UFOs and High Strangeness in Argentina and this is an extra long blog. Charles did this week a lot of really do you remember I don't know if you people follow the blogs and you follow the audio blogs on this channel. It had to do with this woman that ended up like sixty miles away somehow. She doesn't know what happened. People respect you speculating that she was abducted, things like that. But there's a lot to that story, and Charles has been kind of investigating that just happened a few months ago, I believe down in Argentina. So another great blog on that. I want to thank everyone that helps supports the show. I do appreciate that. Next week I'm going to be off the grid and I'm going to be I'm not even going to say where I'm going to be, but I'm not going to be available for the show. So we have a prerecorded show that's going to go live with Kevin Randall and Albert. Wayne. Albert, as you remember, had that amazing UFO sighting on the I ninety five quarter, and he's had a lot of different things happened, really bizarre things happen with his family. We talk about that as well and elaborate a little more on that specific case, and I think that is about it. I do want to thank everyone that supports the show, everyone that participates and watch this show live or listen to it as a podcast. I will tell you I have I'm way behind on email. I had a business deadline I had to finish. But I shouldn't have any excuses. I'm just really behind an email. I always caution people if you listen to this show and you want to send me an email, It's better to do it piecemeal, like the one or two paragraph emails. I can read those fine, but when I get the five pagers it's I just don't have time to do that. And I've been getting a lot of email each and every day. So on this about the show about UFO sightings. And by the way, I do have on my website podcast ufo dot com, I have a anonymous posting a form if you have a UFO sighting and doing if you had a UFO sighting, I do encourage you to fill out that form, and you have the choice to remain anonymous or not. You can put your information in there if you want to. But also I always encourage people to report to move On and to Peter Davenport's site Nightcap on NARC. I always forget the name of that one, but anyway, two great places to report your UFO sightings and if you want it investigated, mouf on as a place the Mutual UFO Network is a place to board it there. So for now I'm going to bring my buddy Bill in to chat. Jane will be in in a little while. Bill, thanks for filling in as always. When where you said when you said you were going to be on another location, I said, well, he can't be on the boat, Kenny, my boat. No, not this time of year. Yeah, I figured that you were on the boat. Yeah, no, no, no, no, too cold. It was when I left New England? Was it yesterday? Two days ago? It was something like ten degrees. I don't think that's that's not good boating weather yet. But but anyway, Bill, Hey, why don't you talk a little bit. You're you're really involved in the Pine Bush thing that happened last year. I was out there, had a great time, and you have. It's coming up, and I know it's in June. June seems like far away, but June third. And who's going to be there this year? Do you know any any details yet? I'm working on quite a bit. I can't discuss it because it's not published eyes yet on the officially, Yeah, but a few big names, Lee Spiegel will be there. I can confirm that show will cost Yeah. Marc D'Antonio, yep. Bob Spearing of move On. Who's Bob? He's the international director I believe of move On? Oh really, you're gonna come hang out. But I just want to let everybody know what's watching and listening right now. Martin was there for the costume ball and we were all hanging out and Martin got out there and he was dancing the storm folks. I got more comments about that. Well, I was doing the John Travolta thing. I guess. I was like, look at him, go out. I know. Some young girls said, boy, you can dance. I couldn't believe it. I was pretty embarrassed. But a year, it's gonna be a little bit different. We're gonna have it on Friday, June third, and we should have sixty seven speakers, present presenters doing there. Yeah. Now, last year was on a Saturday, right, the speakers were on a Saturday. This year it's going to be in the Friday Friday during the day or at nighttime evening. I would says, will open approximately five thirty. Yeah, yeah, Well, Bill, our guest is waiting in the wings. So thank you very much for filling in. Have a great time. All right, thank you, Jane. Welcome to I'm finally made it. I'm so sorry I'm late. No, no, it was totally my fault. I totally mess up on the time, and I'm so lucky you were available. And I do I do that. I told you five fifty Texas time. I said, oh yeah, I remember talking that. Well, yeah, I should. I'm I'm also the worst with time zones as well, so I should have I should have double checked with you. Yeah. Well, but I'm glad. I'm glad to be here. I'm excited to be here. So I know you were on Write a while ago. I want to say three or four years ago. It's been some time. I think it was actually before the New York Times article came out, and so much right around there or something. Yeah, everything's changed so much. And I happened to be on Lewis show, the Unidentified Celebrity Review, and you were on it, and I thought, hey, that'd be great to have you back on again. So yeah, it's so fun to talk to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you do a YouTube channel where you you kind of more or less focus on UFOs in Texas And how does that rate as far as you know the reports go in the country, you know, how like California is usually number one? Do you know have you ever looked into that. I used to know more about how Texas compared to the country in the world years ago. But in this recent year, I've really decided to laser focus on sightings here in Texas. I'd actually hope to launch something by now in February. Should be coming soon where people can see see more in depth reports than when I'm able to feature on YouTube or the website, because I know there's a real craving for you know, where's the data, where's you know? So I would say I've kind of been enjoyably ignorant of a lot of what's going on in California and New York, and you know, I used to love tracking UFOs in Japan and all that. I will say, it's super darned active here, incredibly active, I would say lately it's been it's actually been difficult for me to keep up with. So I would suspect Texas rates right up there with California, And maybe that has to do with just cheer population numbers, the amount of people that are looking up at the skyder report things. It could be that you're just as likely to see something in Texas as you are in Arkansas or Ohio or anywhere. I don't know that I found a great trend in all my years of reporting, you know, where you're more likely most likely to see a UFO. Well, for one thing, if you think about you know that I had heard I had a friend that did a report, you know, years ago in high school, and that he figured that he could that every single person in the world could fit in the state of Texas and have six people or eight people per eight or or something ridiculous like that. I mean, it's such a landmaster, you know, with not a huge population, but you also have better weather than we do up in the northeast. You have outdoor activity more of the time, and that that's one of the reasons besides California's twenty million people. I think one of the reasons that there are so many sightings there in particulars because of the weather. You know, there's a lot of really nice nice weather as in Texas. Um, you know, not not quite as nice, but pretty pretty nice most of the year there. Um. So as far as numbers go, I know that every year they post you know, where something rates, you know, in the scope of things as far as the states go. In the sightings I'm talking about mouf On in particular, is there a good group there, state state run group. Yeah, so there's a good mouf on San Antonio group that I'm well familiar with and have spoken with. And you know, I know Ken who runs that group there at least or at least recently did, and I'm sure they have a really great one in Austin. So I would imagine all the big cities here have pretty strong meetups. Houston, Dallas, I'm guessing though, don't quote me. So yeah, move On's pretty I mean there are move ons where I seem most the reports here in Texas, so that's where people file their testimony when they see something that's most likely where they're going to go. Well, there's of all the different outlets, I would say overall the most reports are ending up outside of mouf on or nowhere, right, but it's just all it's a hodgepod right between Twitter or new Fork or YouTube or and then people do email me and message me with their reports as well. So yeah, I would say mouf on's very strong. It's it's a huge resource and there's some incredible testimonies and photos and videos that get submitted there regularly every single week. And what I was doing my monologue before you were in the green room, so to speak. I had mentioned the two different places to report UFOs and I forgot New Forks. Yeah, ok, yeah, Yeah, that's that's the one. I was trying to think of their Peter Davenport's behind the wheel and that and what a dedicated man he is, he's been at that so long. Yeah, that's a great, great database. So yeah, you can spend you can spend a lot of time just searching through Newfork and coming across all kinds of amazing sightings you just never knew, you never knew occurred. They're out there out there in the ether. Yes, Now what about I would say, um, when I think about Texas UFO cases in the past, you know, you think of the is it the Marfa lights? You think of I'm trying to remember the exact one where it went at the Bush Ranch. I mean I'm talking about historical one lights, Yes, the two stephen villelites. Yeah, that was a huge case. Yes, yea with radar evidence and indeed it was headed toward Crawford Ranch, was the trajectory it was on. So who knows what it was up to or yeah, so do you have to do also look into the details of historic sight. Oh, let's talk a little bit about that one, because that one, to me was really exciting. I mean, they were there were fighter jets involved in everything. So here's the problem with the stephen Villeites in particular. It is increasingly hard to research that case. It used to be much easier to go, Um, you can go find I don't. You can go find the radar reports or summaries I believe online still and some photos, But that that case, I feel like I get such major HEBGB cover up of men and black fives with that case, it is so hard to research. People still see things in that area today that are similar. And what's interesting is, yes, there were the V shaped lights or the lights forming a V shaped hard to say if they were connected or not. But there were also sightings of just flashing orbs of lights that were really weird that people still see today. And I don't really know what to make of it. I think the where it was headed toward Crawford Ranch definitely. I feel like there must be some secret file somewhere where we could learn more. Probably need to do you know, a fresh foya foya requests on the Stephenville Lights of all the really you know, famous cases here in Texas. That's the one that's been the most elusive to me as a researcher and trying to pin it down. Yeah. Yeah, so that but in the ones that they're people are stating they're seeing, now, do you have to know if there's any radar data with that as well? So Stephenville is really unique here in Texas. I'm trying to think. I mean, of course, I I guess, you know, there could be classified radar evidence of any numbers of these amazing sightings that have happened over the years, is what I would theorize. I'm having trouble thinking of any other Texas cases where you could actually go investigate the radar evidence. But yeah, I mean that's what makes me think it must be somewhere, or you know, was somewhere at some point. There's been some really amazing historic cases where it appears that maybe even our government or military was aware of these sightings. So it's entirely possible that they were tracking them. This started in actually the nineteen fifties here in Texas, there were a wave of saucer sightings. I've have some recent YouTube videos and articles that covered this so people think nineteen forty seven flying saucer was really a weather balloon, you know, and that's it. And actually there were so many saucer sightings in Texas in the fifties that actually in Waco, Texas, there used to be an air Force base. They actually installed towers around there to specifically detect flying saucers and to capture those capture evidence of those, you know. So I haven't I don't know where those files are. I don't know if they ever you know, captured any evidence, right, But we do have a newspaper article and I witnessed it also reported to me who worked in the military and knew about those towers and the other Another case that comes to mind where I think the government military was aware of the fo was a cash Landrom incident in nineteen eighty which was in East Texas, right, and helicopters you know, purported least worn armed that object. So could could there be some secret you know, radar evidence, secret photos or videos of some of these craft. It's you know, I tend to think maybe, yeah, yeah, Um. I had um Colby Landrum on this show, and uh, and I've had several over the years. I've had a number of well three or four total of like UM video, you know, filmmakers trying to get a hold of him through me UM and I'm still in touch with them, and I'm thinking about asking him back on because it's just I I personally think and Michael Schratt kind of alludes to the fact that it might have been an experimental American you know, uh craft that and but it may have been using some type of nuclear technology for pulsion or something for them to get all to get the burns. But I think, I think I want to get him back on again because it's such an interesting case in general. Oh, it's it's hugely fascinating and well, I mean you could even say that Vicky and Becky Landrum, the two adult women that encountered the UFO, that they also even could I don't know that they subscribe to that theory, but they did sue the government. They claimed the government knew about this craft so and they lost that lawsuit. But I always I've brought this up a few times. I wonder in today's climate in twenty twenty two, with these two NEOFO offices and this new dedication to studying anomalous effects on human witnesses. If that, you know, what would happen if something like that occurred today, You know, twenty twenty two would be more likely or less likely to be covered up. Now that we have all this, you know, national attention and dedicate efforts to study it. You bring up a very good point, because I think now the topic, you know, it's almost like I say this on a weekly basis, the topic is not so at that point or to talking about it without worrying about ridicule. I do have you know someone I had schedule for the show coming up in another month or so that wanted to remain anonymous and without any pictures, And I said, I'm sorry. You know, there's no real need to do that at this point, you know, and this person is not purporting to have a high level job or anything, you know, for the government or anything like that to be worried about. So I don't really understand that the stigma is getting less and less as we go along and along those lines, do you think that's probably the reason there's a lot more sightings in Texas being reported is because more people are curious or looking up or or maybe reporting, and they normally wouldn't report in the past, so it's questionable sightings are up. I think, you know, if you look at like let's say the last decade, you probably see you know, and you wouldn't see this direct you know, increase in sightings, and there are UFO flaps, there are waves of sightings. I do think the quantity of reports does correlate to actual UFO sightings, and I don't think it always correlates. Oh it's in the news or people are looking up. So I think that's what probably your graph line would would work on. And like I said, I hope to launch something more by this point, because I really I like numbers and I like to be really precise with them and not necessarily assume. I don't feel like reports are necessarily increasing right now. In Texas. I would say it actually appears to me that if they are visiting that they were much more obvious back in the day and it's easier to get a photo of them. And when people did have abduction experience, there seem to be more trace physical evidence or you know, other eh witnesses to back it up, like the nineteen seventies Travis Walton abduction, you know, for example, so I actually feel like as time has gone on, they have become more elusive, and I don't know that the photos or videos are quite as good actually as they used to be. But yes, people are, but people are. I mean, look, people are saying things all the time. You're maybe maybe you know, sightings of Chinese lanterns are increasing right now because you know, more people are out and about. But as far as those quality reports, I don't know that I'm seeing an increase here in Texas so much as just a trend you know that's been persistent for quite quite a while. Yeah. I remember summers ago really noticeable triangle waves where there was definitely, you know, something going through the state, and I don't know that I've had you know, there's been a big wave like that recently. People are definitely reporting, I would I would say it's more the language that people are using to report and the more their interpretation of it. So I didn't get reports of tic tac uophos before the New York Times story, but they were seen before people you know, people were seeing cylindrical objects hovering in the sky, you know, doing weird things before the Navy videos were launched. I think it has more to do like the language and the awareness and interpretation around the experience, at least here in Texas with you know, my my limited lens definitely can't speak to all of reality. So here's a question up here. And by the way, I thank you Dave for being in the chat room. Dave helps out, Dave alotment. Thank you. Um, it's always a good idea to but your questions in caps so I don't miss them. But what about here's a question. You know, when was the last abduction case that you know about? Is that something that is as prevalent in Texas as it is other part people reporting that in other parts of the country. So I don't know what it is about the people who report things to me or the sources that I look for UFO reports, But I really tend to get the nuts and bolts types of reports, you know, where people are like, I'm not crazy, you know, but I saw something weird in the sky, you know, I don't even believe in aliens, but I saw this starlike objects. So that is really what is what I am mostly focused on. That said, there are other researchers here in Texas and alongside me that seemed only it's like that's the bulk of what they're getting, or just experiences and abduction accounts and things like that. And I do get that it is definitely rare. It is not as common as just seeing a weird circular light or lights forming a triangle or something like that. It's not as common as actually just looking at a move On report where someoney was claiming to have had experiences with the reptilian and this apparently just happened, you know in Texas, right, or was just reported. I haven't have not vetted that the problem with those accounts. And again, this is this is why I say this might be a self self fulfilling prophecy on my end is when I do see those abduction reports and accounts, m often the person's not directly coming to me, so I have trouble verifying further. So I'll see it, you know, on outlets like move On and things like that, and those testimonies are just they're so extraordinary. There's so many claims made in them, and you know, there's never any photo or fitty attached. There's never any elements within the report that I can or details within the report that I can then verify or use to verify it, you know, like maybe fellow eye witnesses that also saw something in the area at that time, you know, whatever I can to bring some credibility to the account. Right. So, just often it is very much an experience or a testimony in the true sense of the word. And that's not to say that they're not telling the truth and that that's not exactly what happened, and that that might be the most important thing that's going on right now beyond triangles and orbs. But for me as a researcher, I do not just post those testimonies. I have to I have to have some you know. Every once in a while, I will share something that I think is good, good to provoke thoughts, you know, and I can do a lot of disclaimers about it because it does have to be represented. It represented and thought we really care about are the actual aliens, right So I'm just as fascinated. So I think it might be somewhat of a self fulfilling prophecy, and that I don't necessarily highlight those accounts very often, so I don't get those accounts as often, and I tend to stick to more than nuts and bolts, the saucers, the triangles and the orbs and things like that. Well, here's one other question, kind of off the UFO at self topic. But I think of Texas, this person asked, I think of Texas, says, you know, there's a lot of long horn, there's a lot of cattle. What about cattle mutilations? Have you ever heard you ever hear stories about that going on there? Yeah, that's another one that people do not get in direct contact with me, you know, like that thing, you know and a gray alien has I've not you know, touched a gray alien. I haven't seen a body and this whole ten years, you know, I haven't seen you know, compelling you know, crop circle or you know, cattle mutilation site in person. Personally, I feel like again kind of like we're talking about the Stephenvilleites. I feel like the cattle mutilation topic is one of the most like hebd me up up men and black topics out there. And I would suspect that those are going to sheriffs and remaining in that bucket, uh most of the time, because you know, I don't I don't really see those reports. It could be that it's not happening as often as it used to. I mean, I know there was in the seventies there was a huge trend of that, and I'll have to say it was, um there was a lot of research done that linked that to humans doing you know, really disturbing you know, satanic rituals and things like that. So we have some magazine articles here, and I have a lot of old files and old mag magazines that I go through here at the house. So yeah, I don't nobody's writing to me about which is probably good. I don't know if I could handle that. I'm I'm an animal lover, so maybe that's just maybe that's just destiny and the universe has spared me from that so that I stay in so that I stay in uphology. Right, Yeah, yeah, I'm the same way. I feel the same way. Um, Now what about and I'll get this person's question up there just a second, But the Luback lights in the nineteen fifty one, right is that? Yeah? That one was absolutely fascinating to me. Have you ever looked into that one in particular? Yes, the Lubbock Lights, Yeah, it's okay, there's there's some there's so many cities here that I am I learn about new cities and reporting about UFOs. It's always fun, you know. And I get a report from a city here in Texas, I haven't you know, even heard of, um, but the Lovock lights are you know again, nineteen fifties was just it was super active in Texas. It's really hard to deny that something was going on. There you go, there, you go, you got it. This is also kind of similar, not exactly, but you could kind of put it in the category of the stephen Ville lights or Phoenix lights or Triangle cases. So a professor, and I believe in some yes, some professors saw these lights, and but they weren't the only the only witnesses, actually, I don't know that they're the ones that took that particular photos. So there were multiple witnesses. You know, it definitely happens. So you know, you could theorize, what was this something advanced of our own, you know, back in the fifties. What is interesting to think about is it kind of reminds me of things like the Starlink train that Elon Musk you know, has up there in the size these days that get reported as UFOs, and so it makes you wonder, could if these have been advanced satellites, you know, or human satellites even back then, because if the love Ac lights were to be reported today, people would say, oh, it's starlink. And so I think that also goes to show how hard upology is today when you have things like starlink up there and all these advanced drones and you have all like thousands of satellites, and so I kind of hate it when you know, if you see a UFO and a night that starlinks out, it's just gonna get called starlink. Like good luck, You're not gonna able to prove to anybody that it was right. So it goes both ways, right, So it's like, okay, well then if all of these anomalous lights or starlink, well then let's look at all the past. Then what were they in the past. It couldn't have been starlink then, And if you know, so it's yeah, it's really hard. It's increasingly hard these days with all the stuff that we're putting up there in the sky. It's really difficult, and it's not going to get it's not going to get any better as we go along. There's going to be more advanced drones and you know, it depends on what the regulations are going to, um, you know, be enforced on drones, the use of them and things like that. But as we develop more and more, you know, it's going to be harder and harder. And I'm still waiting for the flying car. And when that's out there, yeah, then then it's a really another game changer. Yeah, you follow it over when we've got the flying car, right, we are the aliens then? So yeah, we're the aliens. Yeah, so I heard you use the term aliens. And do you think you know, I always ask people more or less their opinion, Um, do you think the answer to what a lot of people are seeing? And you mentioned some of it is probably military or our own, but do you think it's possible that we're getting um and extraterrestal terrestial visitation? You know, I'm I haven't. I haven't shook you know, Shane Hands with the gray alien, right, So I haven't been able to find that physical, undeniable and disputable proof of extraterrestrial visitation yet. You know, Aaron caps letters yet, So it's it's And I'm also not an experiencer, you know, I kind of saw UFO one time, you know, well into being a UFO reporter. So I really can't, you know, one hundred percent say that what I would say, you know, if I had to bet on it, I would definitely put it more than the fifty percent chance chances. And it's we I feel like I go back and forth sometimes in this space. You know, It's like one day it's like all you know, all of this is just you know, it's just a big deception, like self deception even you know, or or yeah, all of it is just completely true, and why are we doubting the great alien still at this point? So sometimes I'm just like, it's it is it just self evident? Like is it just obvious that the Grays are real? And we just need to accept that and not be so surprised when somebody shares an encounter with them. So, you know, sometimes I'm in that camp where it doesn't even seem that extraordinary to me, and I'm like, Okay, that makes sense, Yeah, that's that's I could live in that reality. And then then other days it's like, well, okay, you know, um, well if if you saw a great alien, you know, how do you know you really saw a great alien? Was it something pretending to be a great alien. You know, how can you trust the information they're giving you and they're telling you they're from day to reticuli and what if they're lying. So it's just then I kind of realize that we're never gonna we're never going to figure this out, Like we're never gonna figure out if there's extraterrestrials or not, even if even if we think we figured it out. So that's my long, long winded, rambling, unsatisfying answer. Well, well, I agree that I sometimes you know, I mean, I know you're not really asking my opinion, but I'll give it to you anyway. Um, I think it's possible. I do think it's possible that at least some of what we're seeing is extraterrestrial. I also think it's possible, um that it could be a number of different things that we're seeing. Some um could be of our own, our own crafts that were that we're seeing that um, we just don't know about. But I do think that it is as crazy as it sounds, it's possible. It's interdimensional type of situation. It's possible. It's, like I said, multiple things, including extraterrestrial. I would say that I would think that is a very likely prospect that we are being visited by extraterrestrial I think it's very possible, but I don't know for sure, And like you said, I'm not really sure if we'll ever know, you know, I don't know if I'll ever know in my lifetime, and I don't know if it's all that necessary to know either, you know, I mean, you know, maybe you know, maybe we wouldn't even understand what's going on if we knew, and I don't, I'm I'm wondering, I do. I actually do think that the government probably knows, or some part of the government probably knows more than we do, but I still would doubt that they know the full story. I high they don't think know the full story. I don't think they know the full story yet either. But I do think there are people that might think that they know the full story that are in high positions and keep that story secret. And I think they're fulling themselves because I think that they would learn more if they would disclose all of this and we could all share this information together. And yeah, it's to your point of many different things going on. I mean that one hundred percent certainly can say, as with the UFO phenomenon, I don't mean Chinese lanterns or fireworks or drones. I don't mean that it can be all these man made, boring explanations. But there's I would say, what I've found more or where I've been able to turn over more stones and find and I think make a little more progress, is when we look into the phenomenon of ball lightning and orbs and even those earthquake lights and things like that. I think there's something really to that and that that's not necessary. That may not be an intelligent extraterrestrial thing, but I do think it's something that's been really locked down and not okay to study from a scientific perspective, and I think there could be a lot of really powerful knowledge, you know, in studying those types of lights. I'll probably have a video soon, so I don't want to give too much way, but I've been looking into Chernobyl and the effects of radiation, and you know, is it possible that radioactive sights could create anomalous lights and that maybe maybe government doesn't want us to know that there's radioactive you know, there's just that that's happening, right, So there's all kinds of reasons right for the cover up of UFOs, and it may not all be just you know, gray aliens and reptiliens. It's I think if we can be open minded and not afraid of the truth period, you know, any truth we will learn, we will progress, We will get We will learn a lot of really exciting things. But whether or not we prove interdimensional or you know, physically physical aliens flying from literally one planet here right to us without having to warp time or whatever, maybe they can for all we know, I don't. I don't know if we'll get to the bottom of that, but we will. We will make progress. We are going to find out some cool stuff for sure. I do remember reading something about, and I don't know if there was ever any truth to it at all, about some type of possible intervention at Chernobyl when they were doing their sarcophagus they were putting over the the you know, meltdown reactor, you know, I mean, you heard about those things, but I don't know if there was any tree I actually haven't heard of. So that's really fun. So the stay tuned for this video. I've got to be like super diving into Chernobyl and it's a whole um. What got me interested in it is there was somebody who went in films the cleanup of the site and so there was a new story out about this recently and the film was contaminated, right, and it created this kind of anomalous you know look on the film and so I need to dig in more. But it really just kind of, you know, really woke me up to because I've always been fascinating with the idea of free energy and ball lightning and you know, energy within the earth itself creating some of these fantastical lights that we see that seem intelligent. Marpha lights I think would be the example here in Texas. So you had mentioned that, so you know, that's an ongoing real time phenomenon that has not been debunked. And they're just like these. I haven't gotten to see them in person. It's a it's definitely a goal, but these just orbs of light that it appear and disappear and seem to dance around. People. Tried to debunk them as reflections of car headlights driving you know, on the highways there. But these were seen you know, back in the eighteen hundreds before cars, So that's not a likely explanation, but maybe there's something more to this. Um you know, think about some of the other kind of woo woo part of this field is, you know, things like lay lines and in all of that, and so I think there's I think there's a lot lot there to uncover, and that may not be a humanoid alien in a spaceship abducting us, could be something entirely different. So what I have heard the fact that they're saying that the Marfa Lat's mr Fa lights were opening all this time? Were people how were they being reported? Were they in the news? Here's some of them right here, and I do understand this is ongoing, But were they reporting them in the newspaper like in the eighteen hundreds? Is that? How would you know that? You know, I'd have to It's been a while, it's been a while since I've looked into it, so i'd have to. I'd have to look at to it. That's a good question. The very first Marvel lights report was I'm not sure. Yeah, I would assume it would be the newspapers. There's the newspapers are littered with UFO reports in Texas. It's some of My favorite places to go look are the old newspaper archives for accounts of UFOs and again those flying saucers, you know, all throughout the fifties, So eighteen hundreds, I mean, there's we have a report, we have newspaper reports of the Aurora, Texas right UFO crash, you know. So it's very possible that the Marphallites are also documented as well, but i'd have to I'd have to go dig it up and un earth it, so that that might be a cool article to do so and so good idea. So getting getting to the Aurora now that that is, I had thought that was I don't want to say debunked, but explained as a possible derigible type situation UM with hydrogen. They had hydrogen which was very very flammable dirigibles with some type of motor prop or something for and that was a possibility of that. I know that's been investigated. I know there's supposed to be a grave that's unmarked and that is not there's never going to be permission supposedly to um extradate the body from that. So I don't think it's we know for sure any unless you've looked into it. More. It's really interesting. So when I initially really learned about a road Texas, this story the debunking effort. Then if you asked me, there was a journalist that so that they had just all made it up. The town wanted attention, and that was the story. So if you went to Wikipedia, you didn't know anything about UFOs. That's what you were told back then. So it's interesting now, oh okay, now that's not true. Okay, it did happen. Now now there's a new Okay, but it had, you know, so that I think that I would have I would be very curious Martin, I haven't heard that latest theory. It is possible, right, So, there were there were lots of airship sightings in the late eighteen hundred, so this wasn't just Texas, this was California, and more than one of them were associated with strange pilots who did not seem like your typical men. In California, there was an airship sighting and the witnesses reported seeing naked people singing in it. Okay, so that's how we these sightings got. People were accusing Thomas Edison of making them. So this is very much like today. People accusing like maybe Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos maybe of creating like rogue UFOs possibly, right, we've kind of heard that out there. So that was happening in the lady teen hundreds, right, so that people were seeing these ships. So I that's how I figure, well, this case in eight ten and seven is probably real. This craft probably really did crash, you know in Texas. The timeline everything added up, and there was no evidence that anybody lied. This is just literally just something a journalist just said. So it's annoying when you'll see that a lot with cases where just somebody says they made it up, and that's easier for people to believe, so people hook onto that, they retweet that that seems sensible, that seems logical. It seems like an easier thing, a safer thing to bed on, right, But so often you can find no evidence of that, right, So yeah, I'm curious. But there were obviously, you know, there were the big hot air balloons and people were experimenting, you know, in the late eighteen hundreds. It's not like things weren't flying around, so it very well could have been a man made object. But then again, if we're going to say that if we say that this event really happened, then let's maybe take the witnesses for their word. And there is a new paper article and reports and you know, memories I guess today of a secondhand, you know, third hand I guess accounts today of people actually uncovering a strange, you know, exotic or alien like humanoid body that was deceased and it actually had papers on it. I've had strange symbols, like hieroglyphic like symbols on it, and they gave the body a Christian burial, and the story goes that move On or you know, somebody. I don't know if not move On came later, but that the government you know at the time and the military at the time, came in and confiscated, you know, all the evidence. You know, it says like, you know, nothing happened. And later I think there were reports that you know, um move On also came out to the area and did an investigation. But I don't know what quite they found. I don't know if that was ever fully disclosed or if they found anything tangible. But yeah, I think it's just one of those it's too long ago, you know, I wasn't there. You know, people didn't weren't taking Instagram photos back then, so it's kind of lost, you know, lost too. Yeah. Sorry, I almost had to hit a kido interruption just now, but yeah, we're good. Um yeah, it's kind of It's just it's so lost to history, so we really just have the legends. I don't think there is a gravestone there, so you can go visit as a tourist and you can see the report of this burial, but it's not believed that that's actually where the body was located. So simplic I know, I think it was whatever show Bill Burns was in years ago. Was it UFO Hunters. Maybe they did the show on that in particular, and I know they were trying to get some evidence, and I thought they'd dug somewhere and got some aluminum or something. I knew that they dug, but I didn't I didn't know if um yeah, that had they had disclosed what they dug up. So I said, some aluminum. Sorry, go ahead, you were saying, I thought, I thought that's what I remember. I'm speaking of that in materials and things like that. I just announcing one more time that I have Gary Nolan from Stanford coming up on March fifteenth, and it's going to be joined by lou Alesando and Seankhill both. So that should be, oh, that should be one heck of a show. So that's coming up on the fifteenth of March. So here's a question for you. Someone wants to know about what is What would you consider one or more of your favorite cases that you've actually investigated yourself. M Yeah, So if we're looking at modern reports, I've been lately, I've just been obsessed with the saucerers, and I've tried to do what I can of witnesses who've reported to me of the saucers they've seen in the fifties. But you know, I can't, you know, I don't have the materials. I can't, you know, actively really look into that. So I would save the modern day wave. I think sometimes I give another, again an unsatisfying or frustrating answer to this question, because I think if you asked me early on, and I'd have these like really specific cases that like blew me away, but over the years they really all blend into more of a pattern, and so I would say, for me, it's the patterns. So I would say the biggest thing to me as a triangle uophos, so especially now that they've been pretty well acknowledged by the government as being a real, you know, phenomena that they have been secretly looking into while I was publicly looking into them for years. So that was kind of a nice bow that was put on that conundrum that I would say early on in reporting UFOs in Texas, those were the most striking reports to me, sometimes in some cases the most unsettling to me, because it was just so obvious that was happening. Just the amount of photos and videos and testimony, and you know, people would draw pictures, you know, if they couldn't get good photos or videos, and it it's really hard to take good photos and videos of anything at night, so much of a plane, so much so as a plane or even a full moon. Right. So the fact that there was so many, you know, clear photos and videos of essentially you know, three lights in the sky hovering silently, and that was the main theme of those triangles. But you know, people would see them as if they were in like a firefight, right as you know, wobbling or you know, in distress. There was a whole summer where there were a number of trianglaphos and it seemed like there was some maybe alarming activity going on like right above our heads here in Texas, you know, for a whole summer. So I can't remember the exact year, maybe that was twenty fourteen, but there was also two thousand and four team also there were a wave of sightings where people were seeing these you know, really ominous looking like ring of lights just like hovering in the sky. And it was really tricky because they looked like those big street lights that you see here in Texas, so those big highway lights just you know, a circular ring of lights. But those are always here in Texas. But there was one period where I was getting reports of those and people were seeing them, you know, where these lights did not exist, right, and they were just it was easy to debunk them as street lights, but they were not. They were not. And there was a whole you know summer of that and what was that, you know, there was never you know, I'm afraid to say, I was never able to solve those cases. All I could really do is document the photos and videos and the testimonies and you know, just try to keep on top of it, and you know, it's helpful to live here in Texas, but I can't get to every city. You know, I'm not I'm not sampling soil or you know, going to the scene of every UFO site and taking pictures. I mean, I just can't. I literally can't. People can give, you know, support with super chat and all that, and that allows me to do more and more things like that. But for me, I would say my strength is the crap is all of you or all the witnesses. So it's crowdsourcing all that evidence. You know, somebody saw a triangle on YouTube or they uploaded footage to YouTube, and it matches a report of somebody you reported to move On matches something somebody reported to me. So it's a matter of aggregating, you know, all those patterns. And that's how I felt I've been best able to contribute to this field because there's already amazing move On investigators and folks who will drop everything and you know, study one case, right But if I did that, I would study one case for two months long and I might solve it, and that's all I'd have to offer the community. You know, this way, I can't do you know, say, hey, there was you know, x amount of triangles in this part of the States this month, and then now we're seeing a lot of tic tac UFO reports. You know, so what's going on here? So the triangles have always haunted me and the four twenty seventeen they weren't real, right, UFOs weren't real. You were crazy if you talked about them. You know, the government was not looking into them. And so when twenty seventeen ruled around and we started getting you know, those official disclosures and acknowledgement of the triangle UFO phenomenon as well as the orb phenomenon another you know, when I'd been documenting quite prevalently here, that was that was a nice affirmation. Okay, UM, this has been worthwhile. Um, you know my judgment is somewhat correct here that something's going on here. So that may not be the question answer people are looking for. I think people like you know, want to hear about the praying mantis, you know, that encounter you know that abducted somebody, and you know I have I have reported on that. But as far as just what I really know to be true and happening, those triangles are real and the orbs are real as well, but I don't put them in the same category as the triangles at all, like get mixed up again and the earthquake lights and the Marpha lights and and that much even to some degree more mysterious phenomenon. Yeah, some people have claimed that they've seen, you know, getting back to what you just said about orbs, that people have seemed to claim that they're intelligently controlled. You know, do you ever hear that? Um, you know, I mean, that's that's something you do here. Well, that's that's the question. The curiosity that drives I guess me, even discovering them in the first place, right, is that are you know, are we alone? And then and when I first got into this field, or when I first started writing about it, I guess I should say, sort of learning about in two thousand and seven. So I didn't grow up, wasn't born a believer, you know, anything like that. But some of the most compelling videos to meet early on were the orbs that appeared, you know, before and after the Japan tsunami in twenty and eleven. Yeah, And I don't know if those areas as easy to find that these days as that footage, but that definitely occurred. There were live news reports that featured these orbs. I covered them at the time. There were some attempts to debunk them as um like camera effects and stuff like that, but I've never seen anything like that since or before, Like I in now knowing what I know. Oh, it's like, I think, I think those are just orbs, And those were wild. They absolutely appeared to be moving intelligently and almost like dancing around and things like that, and so yes, I think it's possible. I think if there are intelligent orbs, I do think that must be a different species, must be a different thing then some of these nuts and bolts, saucer triangle craft. It seems to me, you know, when we're talking more interdimensional right, like the appearing and disappearing, right, Could that be going in and out of a portal? When these orbs are just hovering or wobbling or dancing, is there something else going on there? They are they? For example, I'm just I'll have an article up on the website soon. I'm somebody was filming an orb, I guess in their neighborhood for over an hour, just hovering there, and it's just sitting there looks like a star, but then it gets really glows, gets really big, and then gets small again, and then it starts flying away. So it's not a star. So what on Earth? What Earth is going on here? That's not a satellite, that's not a plane. It does seem like it's almost watching us. It does seem like there's some intelligence. At the same time, don't want to get too carried away, because we just like we humanize like animals, right, you can kind of humanize lights, right. We can see more in them that there are, you know, and nature can create you know, quite quite the light show for us, and so we just we just have to be careful in it. And I'm not certain that you know, all the ball lightning accounts are intelligent or um. Some of again the most fascinating videos from me. You can go do this. You can go watch live earth, not live earthquake cams. Thank god, there's not a bunch of live earthquake cams right now. Live volcano cams. Yeah, And you can see these orbs like hovering above the volcano, going in them, going into them, coming out of them. I'm not certain that's intelligent, but it sure looks like it is, so what is that? I think there's a lot to uncover here. I sometimes feel like this is the this is the area. Well, our probably will find more answers than with the saucers and triangles, even though those are the most talked about. I guess, yeah, yeah, I say often on the show, we probably know very little about what's going on around us all the time. I mean, we only see so much in our spectrum, you know, a very small percentage, and then we have other ways of detecting other things. But still there's a lot that could be going on all around us that we have absolutely no clue. Here's a question up here. I never heard of this, the Meadow. It's a paranormal spot in the eastern border of Louisiana. Do you know anything about that? Oh, well, Louisiana is not I mean, it's right next door and so, but I have not heard about it. I am super I mean, I'm googling it right right now. I love it. I love it when people have a new paranormal story or encounter you know that I've never heard of. So no, I have not. I'm fascinated, though, I'll be looking into that. I don't know if anybody else in the chat can illuminate on that. So yep. So there's a lot of bordering states with a lot of interesting things going on beyond Texas for sure. So it's a lot to keep up with. So yeah, just a question here, someone wants to know. Can we phone in questions? No, but in just about a half hour or so, we will be taking calls and Bill will be standing by for that to answer those calls. I do have you know, if you want to, I just say, if you have a question, just do what you're doing, Stephen, put put the question in caps, and I'll try to get it up for our guests. Otherwise, you can wait until our phone lines open and about right about a half hour from now. So as far as all the historic cases, you know, we talked about the I'm going to say it wrong, the Lubbock lights, and I know we talked about that there were college professors that saw this on this particular picture here. Do you know who took that? I mean this, I just want to revisit this case. I let's see. I'm pulling it up now because I don't want to. I think this might shoot. This might have been a boy that took this particular picture. But I let's see, Well, you think about nineteen fifty one, I don't think we had could have had anything up in the sky that would do this type of thing. You think about our technology back then, and I would be totally shocked if we had something that would make this light formation back then. And was that So, just getting back to a few days later, Carl Hart Junior, not a boy but a college student. Yeah, yeah, I guess I'm getting older, a freshman at Texas Tech, said he was standing in his parents' backyard when two V shaped formation of lights flew over him. He grabbed his camera and set the exposure where I wanted it and went back outside and waited, and then two more lights came over, said Heart Junior. I think I got two pictures of one and three of the other. So yeah, So the professors, I guess, are what gave the credibility, right because they saw it and there were other witnesses too. It wasn't just these professors or this student, but I think that's what made it extra believable. And then you had this picture as well, you know, to back up what everybody saw. So yes, I mean that should not have been flying around in our skies back then. Nope, right right in nineteen fifty one. You think about that, you know that that really is something and was it so it was seen more than one day obviously as you just mentioned, But was it seen a long time after that? I mean were there more sightings of that particular formation, do you know? I mean, I would say people see things like that, have seen continued to see things like that ever since. So you know, it's just like with the Stephenville lights. People still see weird lights in Stephenville. You know, it's recently, just like within the last five years, so i'd say, yeah, I mean, that type of sighting hasn't stopped. I think though that was you know, just like a you know, hi and by you know kind of thing for sure. I mean that's definitely a pattern too. Um. You know, this was maybe a particular UFO that that flew by and then you know, went on its way and maybe others like it have you know, shown up since they argue yep, that's always made me curious, you know, why why there are flaps and why the same UFO is seen in the same location. If you think about it, if something can is traveling great distances to be here. Why would it focus on one particular area and be seen over and over again. You know, it's kind of bizarre when you think about it, But you know, maybe there's also an answer to that somehow. Yeah, I mean, I guess for me, it seems logical, right. It's just like if we were to I mean, look at our Mars rovers and you know the things we send out there. You know we've limited, we're limited and where we can go and what we can do. And I would suspect they are limited too, And you know, who knows how many of them are out there, how many different crafts, Like we're talking about, there's a lot of different things going on here. It's not just one phenomenon. So I think trying to understand the the flaps, it's yeah, I mean, you really do have to piece it out and start categorizing it by UFO type and you know what else was you know, what else was encountered along with those sightings and other things like that, to really try to to figure out what the agenda is here, I guess, and what they are up to. And people do talk about how UFOs apparently show near nuclear sites a lot and Air Force base is a lot and I've had trouble corroborating that because the problem is, Um, what I see is that UFOs are reported in populated cities and guess what, there's Air Force basis near all of them. So you know, that's just that's just the nature of it. So you know how much of that you know is driving uh UFO flaps if you will? You know, they could happen more rural places, right and people just you know aren't reporting on it. Yeah, well, there there could be absolutely something to the fact of testing equipment that is you know, secret in nature and them not really caring if people report it as a UFO. You know, maybe that's even a good thing for them. Um, and they're testing something, you know, because a lot of times, you know, I've I've kind of argued the point with someone saying that, you know, all the because I kind of put it all in one category, all of the triangle UFOs in military, that's what some people have said, and just secret military that we don't know about. And so the couple of arguments with that what has always been, well, why would it be in a populated area, why would it be in an airspace where there's issues or why, you know, would this be happening with all these witnesses calling it a UFO, and you know, maybe there is something to the fact that they are testing and they don't care whether it's seen or not. But when you go back to that, the same person that says all these are UFOs, then explain them back in nineteen seventy or nineteen sixty exact a triangle. Try to explain that one as our own property. That's not gonna that's not gonna Phoenix flights, right, Like why maybe it was our own But you know that's just as confusing, yeah, you know as it not being Yeah, and is it reverse engine I mean it's like which came first, you know, the UFO or you know, the reverse engineered version of it too, because there definitely could be our own craft up there that we're mimicking some fancier, weirder things, you know, that we've found or seen. So it's it's a difficult again, especially now in twenty twenty two, which you know, one could argue maybe that's why now we have the UFO offices and things like that, is we do have so much of our own advanced stuff up there that we can explain things with and and so in many ways, I feel it is actually easier to debunk UFOs today than it would have been, yeah, in nineteen fifty one. Yeah, that's why I tend to be pretty obsessed with those old sightings, as annoying as it is to some folks who just want to move on from Rosswell, but I feel like a lot of the clues are still are still in the past, right right. Well, for one thing, we have so much information available to us, um, you know, satellite positioning, you know, satellites and certain at certain times, we have all that information. Now, we have weather anomalies that you know, weather situations at our fingertips. There's all kinds of investigative tools for looking into a report in particular you're looking into you can even go back, Okay, what was the weather back on this day in nineteen you know, eighty two or something like that. I do believe you can find all that information out. Yeah, yeah, there's yeah, I mean, we have researchers to have done so much work, you know, over the years. So there's also a lot of connecting the dots and sharing notes and um yeah, adding you know, just one and one together, you know, and getting getting too and getting a new a new angle on things, right, there's a and a parent to get real like Roswelly and you know, kind of cuckoo a little bit. Uh. There is this, you know, alleged recording with a woman who claimed to have been to the Roswell crashlight with Albert Einstein. Now she has since passed, but we do have the recording of her sharing this testimony. You know, I've i've it was in contact with the journalist you know who released this information, and you know, he I think genuinely tracked down this recording. It was difficult to get out and if we could verify any aspects you know, of her testimony, that would be a huge new angle right for for ufology and it would absolutely be relevant to today and understanding the tic tac UFOs. So even though people might be telling me to move on from Roswell, I'm not going to do it. I've refused. You happen to know what ye do? You happen to know what year that was recorded? I do not off the top of my head, but I can I can look it up for you guys. Probably before the interview is over. I have a whole YouTube about it. I just you know, shared shared highlights from the recording. And I really tried. I've been trying, Um, you know what, what details you know from her recording? Can I then, you know, go look up something new or go you know, find something new. So if anybody else, you know, um, can find some clues you know from that recording, that would be great. I'm trying to look it up here. Um, it's so, it's sure. It's doctor Shirley Wright is the woman who apparently gave this recording nineteen nine three. It's nineteen ninety three taped confession only recently released. I tell yeah, that would be great if we could find some new clues in that or just totally disprove it, right, And I count I can't disprove it either, right, So that's the fun part. Obviously. That was the first thing I tried to do. Is there anything I could do to disprove that this lady existed? It existed, or that this couldn't have happened. And of course, you know, people doubt that the UFO, that there was ever a UFO that crashed in Roswell, so that would be a reason to doubt her story. But beyond that, you know, I couldn't find, you know, any major ways to debunk this. I'm still actively looking into that one and and any of Again, I think Texas is a big clue here as well, because if Roswell was not you know, if that wasn't a flying saucer, what are all these saucers doing, um showing up in Texas and you know, in West All, Australia in the sixties, and you know, just all over there's so many documented cases of these disks. So what what's happening? That Roswell was just a fluke? And then it just doesn't it doesn't make sense to me. Well even if you took if you took Roswell completely out of the picture, it's still there's just so many cases. And we can't obviously can't discount all these people. You know, I saw something myself that I couldn't explain. But never mind me, what about all these multiple witness sightings that have seen so many incredible things over the years. You can't just say that there's nothing to it. And anyone that is out there, you know that thinks there's nothing to it, I challenge you to take a look deeply into it, and I do believe you will change your mind that which kind of this is completely off topic, but I do want to bring it up because I get I don't know at least one or two emails a week, sometimes a lot more, and that is about the Aerial phenom and on movie. Because I have been, you know, in contact with Randall Nickerson, the film creator for years and years. I have not I've reached out to him a number of times. I'm not hearing from him. I do not know. Just to let everyone know, I do not know what is going on. I only have heard rumors from people in the business, the film business more or less that it's possible it's going to be coming out before spring. I was told last year it was going to come out before the end of the year. It never happened. It's going to be most likely on a streaming platform as far as I know. But I really I'm not. All I'm getting at is I'm not the person to go to to give you any information on that. Unfortunately, I wish I knew because I'm I'm waiting, just like everybody else. I can't wait. Knowing Randall Nickerson's work he's extremely fussy, he's extremely good. When that comes out, that is, I think it will be is going to push the needle a little more. That's one of them, that is I consider that, And that was also a popular of them all. The most interesting case of them all, I think, oh gosh, for sure. And that was also a saucer I think. I mean, if you look at the pictures of the UFO, so it's like, yeah, I mean, what's going on here? Um, yeah, I know the Zimbabwe case. I've I've tried to reach out to some of the witnesses and then passed to get an interviewed, and you know, it was not able to get once. I would yeah, I'd love to. I can't wait for that to come out. I'm not a big UFO documentary or book reader, and some of that's just time, and then a lot of that is a little bits intentional, right, So I feel like I want to look at the files and evidence and the videos and the photos as objectively as I can without too many biases or opinions going into it. So I kind of avoid it. But this arial school incident, Yeah, I'm I'm going to be watching this one. So yeah, just for the I know. The reason I'm saying anything about this right now is because there's a lot of people that are just looking into this topic that have found my show. And I do appreciate you watching or listening however you're doing it. But that particular case, so you can just google it. The Ariel school incident happened back in nineteen ninety four, and so I welcome you to look into that because that is a fascinating case. We don't really need to get in to that right now, but it's it's really incredible and I have you know. One of the things that's so compelling about that or is is the John mac interviews with the children child psychologists Harvard trained or Harvard professor, And at the time when he was interviewing those kids, it was just so boggling some of the things that they were saying. So I have not seen those films. I think a lot of them have taken down off of YouTube, unfortunately, but but that was it was very, very compelling. These were like, ah, oh wait, let's put you up on a full screen. Hold on you see it. You can't see it, but those are the drawings. Oh yeah. People who are not familiar with the Zimbabwe incident. Those are the drawings that the children drew or some of them. Yeah, and that was like immediately right after. Yep. The one thing the teachers had the foresight to actually have the kids draw what they saw right away, which I think that is that was such a game changer really because it was Freshen reminds at the time and people, and they drew something very similar, all of them, especially with the eyes and everything. And I know people have followed this show have seen when I had Selma Siddik, she was one of the children there, and you know, she was describing the skin to be like porcelain. And she said when she had to break away and go look for her siblings, that breaking eye contact from four feet away, about four feet away from this being whatever it was, that it was one of the hardest things she ever had to do was to break eye contact, which I think is another fascinating thing. It's such an incredible story. I know we're way off at Texas UFOs. I love. I mean, it's all yea irrelevant to my world. So Michael Brown wants to know, So what's new is there? You You mentioned some of the new things that you had been looking into. But I also saw that you did a jet blue. Yeah, we go. Do you want to talk a little bit about that? Yeah, that one's an interesting one. So yeah, So, I mean there's always sightings, you know, being reported, you know here in Texas. So as far as what's new, well, I mean the orbs, the triangles, even the disks to some extent, I mean, they're all being seen actively. People do report the grays and the reptilians and even the prayingmanthis I mean, so in a nutshell, it's it's all happening. But yeah, so this was a really kind of cool video. So it's actually posted to Reddit and it shows it's taken a poorly taken outside of a cockpit window of a jet. The pilot. Actually, if you like, I didn't mean to, but you know how to screen share, probably because you use this program all the time. If you like to screen share your video, we could post that up. I'm not sure if you can. But if you don't know how to do that, I can't. I can't. I just don't have it all like set up, and I'm afraid we're gonna, okay, trying to pull it up. Shoot, Shoot, I should I should like, oh man, I should have been better prepared, Martin, I would have prepared. I thought about that, Um something I just thought of ye yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, so but it people can check check out the footage, you know, on my YouTube channel. But essentially you just see this like little glowing you know, white or just hovering out there in the sky and then it's just kind of disappear and it's taken you know, allegedly you know, out of a cockpit window, you know, of a plane, and allegedly this footage has been circulating with circulating between Jet Blue pilots, so who are going over it and back and forth and so you know, I did you know, you know, light analysis on it, and you know it's definitely yeah, it looks like Martin's pulling it up. You can hear my. Yeah, I'll see if I can do that and yet myself and then maybe show some of the actual footage. Um, I'm just seeing Okay, I just see a black right now, and then can hear me hear me talking about it? All right, let me see what's going on? There? We go? There we go. Yeah, so yeah, here you go. Here's the in the aspect ratio was a little annoying. Um, this is vertical round. It's the testimony sent along with it. Now I am a superdious funds approval seeing Yeah, you can clip cord a little bit. Well yeah, I'm not sure there is a full So there was a full testimony that was attached with the sighting. So the pilot, you know, is first in things that they see in the sky, and it wasn't. Um they weren't able to identify it while flying essentially Yeah, well yeah, I'm bummer. Yeah. Well, I'm on the road and I have very I have Bill working on the other end because i have very very poor signal here, so I'm really very happy so far that i haven't crashed. But anyway, this I think what I'm gonna do at this point is just open the lines. If someone would like to call in. I'm gonna put the phone number up here. Bill, we'll be standing by and and I actually do have it up here Martin real quick if you want me to share real quick. Yeah, if you could do it, sure, ye can try. Yeah, go already ahead. So all right, can you guys see that we're not seeing anything on this side here? And I'm not sure if you have to. Oh, okay, let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Actually, both of you, I uploaded the video. Okay, yeah, so you can play at Martin whenever you're ready. Thank you, Bill. I have Bill working behind the scenes, like actually taking the position I usually do, so he's able to do all these things. Here we can. We are going to start right away with Steven in Michigan. Stephen, you are live on the air. Welcome to the show. Him, Martin and Jane, thank you for an amazing show. Every time I see Martin has a new guests on, it makes my day. So thank you to both of you. Well, thank you. Yeah, my question question, Yeah, I do. I'll make it quick. Um. Jane, I like your thoughts on the overall safety of investigating these UFO reports. I just turned twenty seven. Um. I've been researching for the past five years, and I've gotten to a point in which I truly don't feel face poking and prodding any more than I already have. To be specific, I've gotten to a point of actively searching and calling for a UFO to a peer, but I've quickly abandoned that practice as the majority of interactions I've heard discussed are quite negative, with many people saying they wish they never had these encounters in the first place. What are your thoughts on this? Also quick side note, Jordan Peel has a new horror movie coming out called Nope. It's about UFOs. Have you seen that trailer? I'll take my answer off the air. Thank you and God bless you both. Thank you. Yeah, Hi, Stephen, So I have, Yes, I've seen Nope the trailer. I don't know if you've seen Nick Martin, but it looks so stink and good. I cannot wait. I my first love before UFOs was really movies, and so we actually have a YouTube show where we talk about the behind the scenes of movies and you know, the real stuff. So you know, we just went in depth on Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Nope is going to be one that will definitely be talking about for Weird Hollywood this summer when it comes out. People should check out that trailer. It's also just a great movie trailer because you just don't know what's going to happen. It's a true trailer and it leaves you guessing and wanting to know more. Could you say the title to that one? More? Time, So it's nope, there might it might be n Ope, yeah yeah, not of planet Earth. I think, wait, yeah yeah, not of planet Earth. I think is what it stands for? A planet? Yeah? Yeah, and so it Yeah, it looks amazing. I don't even want to say. I just go watch the I mean, not now, later later after after the show, go watch the trailer and yeah, yeah. And did the other part of the question, Oh my gosh, what was it was a good question? Oh yes, Um, so the whole idea of contacting UFOs and is this an experience you want to have or not? So for me, you know, I haven't had an experience, least as far as I know. I also haven't done you know, hypnotherapy or anything. Who knows. But I'm not an experiencer, so I can't really, truly, I guess, give it vice from that perspective. So I can only just really look at what I've documented over the years. And I really struggle to recommend trying to contact these things. So I say, if you see a UFO, don't go up to it. And I would say be very careful if you are seeking UFO stings or encounters, And I would go into it with very open eyes and a safe plan and you know, maybe maybe some protection, you know, whatever that looks like to you. Because look, if this is real and you really do believe that they are visiting, that's a big deal to ask for a ride on their ship or invite them into your life. So if you really do believe that, I would take it very seriously, and I would just go into it with the right attitude and mindset. Maybe with others people do see five you know, group groups where they you know, try to summon UFOs. That seems to be a safer way to do it than just like sitting in front of your house on a random day, right as far as the negative experiences, so yeah, I mean the reason I would hesitate to recommend to try to see a UFOs well because I don't know what these entities are. I don't know their agenda. I don't know if it's safe or not, or if this is positive. This could be a very dark thing that's going on. The idea of somebody kidnapping you from your home and performing uncomfortable, painful exams on you. I mean, these are the stories we hear. So yes, they're quite frightening, and I wouldn't wish this upon somebody that said these could be a lot of people have very positive experien variances and positive interpretations of what has happened to them. So even Travis Walton, who had a very negative experience at the time, I think he felt that way at the time, very scared. I believe in his later years he's come to more of a conclusion that when he was knocked down by the beam of light, he could have been injured, and that those exams were actually you know, the aliens fixing him. So, you know, it could very well be that these visitors have you know, are helping us, are studying us, do mean well, and that those that come into contact are better for you know, people describe being more psychic after word, or you know, maybe not as being afraid of death or things like that. So I you know, I think attitude is important. And if you've had an experience, I certainly don't think it would be healthy to remember it as a very negative experience because that's you know, difficult to process and overcome, and I think it's probably healthy to try to seek some actual logical reason for it, and there probably is one. It's hard, it's hard for me to believe that these are evil beings, you know, torturing us. I don't think that's what's going on here. But yeah, I'm not one of those people that's going to set up a CE five group anytime soon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I yeah. I have a friend that did one of those, and it was actually pretty comical some of the things that happened there. And I don't need to get into it, but but there was some wild imaginations. I'll just put it that way. So right now, we have Ken on the line from Massachusetts. Ken, Welcome to the show. You're live on the air. I'm Martin and Jane. Another fantastic show tonight. Martin question Jane. My question to Jane. I research old cases of the cases in my home state, and you know, nothing gets the blood pumping more like you see an article in the newspaper online, oh ufo sighted And my question to her is what's her opinion on then when you get all hyped up and read the article and make sure your video and it's quite clearly Chinese lanterns or I don't know if you're seeing the latest one. Did you see the one from Hawaii where mysterious object covers over Hawaii, two fighter jets scrambled. You can see the picture in two seconds. You can see a balloon with a string hanging down holding a payload underneath it, you know. And so what's your opinion is reports like that helpful or you know, because it's getting exposure to UFO subject or hurting it because you know people look into it. It's so what's your opening, I'll think the interrupted Thank you, Ken, that's a great question. And early on when I saw Chinese lanterns, I thought aliens were invading. Okay, so it's it's super normal to be frightened by that and to report it. You're not crazy, you're actually just paying attention. And yeah, there are a lot of really fantastical things that then become quite mundane, you know, as a researcher, and you go through those cycles in those process. I mean, we were just looking at some footage that definitely you could say, oh, that's just a balloon that that footage was interesting to me considering the pilot perspective and that, and so that's why I wanted to share that one. But I'm regularly debunking and solving cases. So that's the first thing I'm trying to do with any UFO case is to find a very mundane, boring explanation. Most cases I come across I do not report on it's it looks to be a lens flare, Chinese lanterns. I have said that a lot, but that's just because it's just that's probably the most common misidentification. So if you're seeing orange orbs seem forming different formations, sometimes hovering, sometimes moving, and then gradually disappearing, and it's probably Chinese lanterns, nighttime parachuters, that's another wild right, you know, if you haven't seen that before, they have the players on their feet. Yeah, crazy looking, wild looking. So there's a lot of misidentifications. I don't think that most people are hoaxing things or um falsely reporting, right. I think we just get carried away with these unexplained lights that we see. Is it hurting? I mean, yeah, I guess so. But I think you know the question, are we alone in the universe that never goes away? And anytime that flutter, you get that flutter, oh could that be any And I think you know you're just waiting for the next time to get that feeling again. So I don't think you're just like, oh that was a balloon, Okay, I'm just I'm not going to look again. I mean, one of the most I had this video, guys that was still deciding what to do with it because I think I'd almost like to make a feature around a debunking a debunking story that I have, you know, Um, so I'm kind of saving it. But there was just really incredible footage, Like it was just like, if this is real, this is the best you have a video I've ever seen in my life. And so I tried and tried and tried to debunk it and couldn't. Couldn't, couldn't, couldn't debunk it. So you know, we're pretty close, you know to traveling and going out to the field for that one because it was such a big one, and thank god I was able to solve it, you know, before that visit and that that's just how things go. You know, you're you're about to prove aliens or visiting and now, um, you've just proved a hoax essentially. Yeah, So a lot of times, a lot of times it's not a hoax. A lot of times it's just miss you know, seen as something else, sir, you know, I mean like you meant, you know, the parachuters, things like that. I mean, it is so easy because a lot of times when we see something it is like unbelievable. For instance, the failed missile missile launches, the failed rocket launches, those have the most make the most incredible UFO s virals, They're just amazing. We have Bill on the line from Florida. Bill, You're live on the air. Welcome, Hey, Bill, Bill, You're alive in the air. Welcome to the show now, Bill, Bill, was that might be that's absolutely neat And I'm sorry I had that muted. Bill, Sorry about that. You're you're live now, Welcome to the show. Thanks, thank you. Martin and Jane. Um. I heard you two talking about the aerial school phenomena. Yeah, and I'd also heard that there were other cases at schools, like there was one down in Miami, Florida. Yes, um and uh. Anyway, and it brought to mind the Sandy Hook School and that there were UFO sightings over that at about the same time a death the whole thing happened. I was just wanting to know what your comments were on that. I've never heard anything about that. I never yeah, and I was reporting on UFOs at that. Man, what year was that. I think I've blocked that out. I blocked that even remember, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that Preston Dennett, for instance, has looked deeply into schoolyard UFO sightings, and I'm sure he would have uncovered. I don't know where he heard that in particular, but I don't. I do not believe Bill that that's anything that I've ever heard about before. Is that it? Bill? That's it? Thank you? Okay, thank you? All right, we have Steve from California. Steve, Welcome to the show. You're live, Hi Martin, Hi Jane him Um. I've been following the UFO phenomena since mid sixties, so it's progress through the years. Um. I taught gathering Gayday information on sidings, documents, etc. And then in the early eighties when the Internet went up, I started collecting a US whole footage and then sharing that on Facebook. I have a room called Crusty Code or I share all the information daily with the UFO sidings new and what I found out, it's phenomena is around the world and it's constantly UPO sidings every day and so there's a lot to share there. And uh, I've some of the conclusions I've come from gathering information UM data that I'm going on that therese UFOL hotspots such as Brazil, UM and uh. And I would consider Texas a hot spot because I get a lot of uiful footagues from Texas and sidings. Do you think Texas is a hot spot? Well, it's how I got into this field, if that makes sense, So I wouldn't be doing this, I guess if it wasn't UM. So, yeah, I do. I do think so. And you know, but whether that yes, maybe population per square footage is low, but the biggest some like if you look at the top ten cities in America, I think three of them are in Texas, three or four or something like a lot like San Antonio, Houston, Austin's now up their Dallas is now out there. Right, So those cities alone are going to drive a ton of reports, right because there's just so many people. So whether or not that's being driven by people just the number of people is a question. I I don't know. I really think that you can see a UFO anywhere. I really do. I think you just have to be paying attention and looking up. I live in Texas and I've seen one maybe one time. So it seems it has to do almost more with the person versus the place you're in. You know whether or not you're going to see something. So I mean, I know people who see things all the time or witnesses that report multiple encounters. To me, you know, I'm not having I'm not having that experience. You know, we live in the same state, right, so it's yeah, but yeah, I mean I do. There's a lot of activity here for sure. I can totally totally corroborate that. Now, Race Stanford, are you familiar with Have you ever heard of Ray Stanford? I have not looked. I don't. I'm not an expert on him. I really can't. Yeah. Ray Stanford is a long time UFO researcher. He wrote a book on the Skoro incident that was really a very good book. Um, he actually had he actually had a UFOT detection station with something like I want to say, maybe a million dollars worth of equipment in Texas in the nineteen late nineteen seventies and there was a lot of activity. Then I just thought of that. We do have another caller on the line. That's a really nice I love that. I love him every little um nugget like that. That's beautiful. Okay, So I'm okay cool. Yeah, so um that is something you may I can't he did. There was a name for the company that he formed and everything, but there was some activity that he actually got some some data on at the time. Nice. Yeah, all right, we have joy think I know who that is. Joni. Welcome to the show. You're live on the air. Yeah right. My question, does your guest thing that there's any torrelation between UFOs and the orb signing and bidfoots? So I've definitely heard. I haven't directly investigated or reported on cases where people saw bigfoot in UFOs at the same time, but there are absolutely cases life that I look. I like, I'm into bigfoot and ghosts and the psychic phenomenon and all of those unexplained things. So I'm not one of those UFO researchers that only research as UFOs and like, you know, bigfoots all all that's all crap. No, I think bigfoot. I've I've interviewed, you know, a few bigfoot hunters, and I've licked into a little bit. But I'm not a Bigfoot hunter alas myself, not yet, so I can't I don't think confidently make that connection. I will say, I like to think of Bigfoot as um chewy like from Star Wars, right, like an intergalactic space traveler, right, that can just disappear, you know, an instance, and not leave any trace behind. So I mean, why not why couldn't there read some other in interdimensional traveler you know, connected to UFOs. The uh, the more I guess you could say boring, but still really cool theories around it simply being a biological missing link where there's just you know, a few quantities these like ape like you know, humanoids essentially, right, remnants from I'm gonna say it wrong, Jike, you guys know what I mean. Jike can't the Giganta you know, you guys know what I mean. I'm going to butcher the scientific name. I think those theories are compelling too, and you don't have to invoke any UFOs or mystical you know, intermatch interdimensional travel there. I do think Bigfoot is kind of like UFOs though, where we use this one term. I mean, there's Jetty and Sasquatch, like there's UFOs and UAP and things like that, where we do use this one term to explain all of this. And one of the reasons that I do feel that extraterrestrials are probably visiting. It's if you just look at our own planet Earth and all the diversity of life here and and all the you know, animals and species we still discover every year and um and have yet to discover. It's absolutely mind blowing. So I think there's all kinds of really big animals out there that do a good job at hiding from us. I don't think you necessarily have to be an advanced at species to hide pretty well from human beings. I was talking to Cliff Brackman, who people may know from Finding Bigfoot, pretty um entertaining show, but Cliff actually takes a more kind of reasonable, you know, scientific viewpoint, and he has a lot of really cool insight around this. Um. You know, people are like, well bigfoots real, you know, were the bones? Well, this is also common for other animals like bears and things like that. You don't you don't go find you know, they they go die, and um, you don't like just find their bones out in nature, and those are you know, a creature that we know exists. There's many different species. They're you know, all over so I think you can look at it through the non UFO lens, But why can't there be more than one big foot? Yeah? Yeah, well, Janie, thank you for the call. Joanie, I'm sorry, I think yeah, all right by now, thank you. Yeah. We had a we had a show recently, um where there were people that was making the connection between in Oregon, between UFOs and big foot. It was it was kind of fascinating. Um, I don't know what to think of it all Ranch. I mean, you've got where people have reportedly seen like big foot like creatures or humanoid like creatures, and then you also have the orb phenomenon going on there. When when you start to get into topics like Skinwalker Ranch, it's where a lot of this narrative of Okay, here's the trianglia oos, and here's the orbs, and here's the ghosts, and here's the big foot. Excuse me, all of that kind of falls apart at Skinwalker Ranch. And it's almost like you can almost disprove all of it or prove all of it at Skinwalker Ranch. And so I do feel like that's an under underlying, you know, thing kind of bubbling up to the surface, challenging all of us. And there's there's a lot of answers there, and I do think there's more overlap. And why we separate ghosts from orbs is weird to me, you know, why we separate spirits from aliens. It's weird to me. These are very overlapping. Yeah. But the one thing I know exactly what you're saying, and I agree with most of it. But the one thing about that where UFOs kind of separate from those other weird or unusual paranormal type things is that we have data. You know, we have data on We have not only film, you know, which is there can be argued that not so great. Um, you know, images or film maybe not as much as we do other things, you know. I mean there are a couple of known ones that are really good. Of course, you know when you look at this one here that that is pretty amazing. The film of the Baldwin ufo in Australia very clear a guy took in his garden garden. That that's a really interesting one. You know, we have the Trent ufo. These are old pictures of course, but still we have radar data and you know, I mean pictures like this in nineteen fifty one, you know, I mean there's much more than you know with with Bigfoot, we have the Patterson Gimlin film. We have ghosts. I don't know what we have with ghosts, but yeah, I guess it's more. It's so to me, it's a lot of language, right, so you know, crypto zoology versus like what is the difference between interdimensional and um communking with the spirit in the afterlife? To me, these are all impossible things, right, that could all be with going on here, right, So yeah, I one hundred percent agree there's a total difference between having radar evidence and a photo of something in the sky versus maybe even having like a electronic recording of some static interference, right, that suggests some kind of communication, right. But it is interesting to me when people theorize about the origin you know, pufos that all that we're really talking about, right, our aliens or et s, And it's like that seems we're making like a lot of assumptions, right, you know, we're still have a lot to learn about how the conscious brain works and have thoughts, you know, maybe can transfer, you know, in the atmosphere more than more than we realize, right, like when it comes to the psychic phenomenons. That's why I brought that up, right, So, because when we're talking about cases like the Zimbabwe case where the children you know, claim to have had these messages that were downloaded you know, during the encounter or right, you know, it's interesting that we're only allowed to talk about aliens. It's like, well, what about ghosts? What about spirits? What about crypto? What about So there's a I don't think we really know the right questions? Yeah, yeah, so we've got to keep bigfoot yeah in the conversation. We've got to keep it all on the top of mind. I guess yeah. I think you how you just framed that was very well said about the question. We don't know what the question to ask. That's what makes it so fascinating. And you know, we may not even understand the answer, which I think is also fascinating. So we only have a couple of minutes left here, and I want you to if you would tell people how they can. I think I believe I have your your link down in the show notes, but tell people, oh shoot, I don't know if that's me or you think Martin froze for I FROs somebody froze. Okay, it's it's aliens. Yeah yeah, so no, we only have well we only have two minutes left, so how can someone find you? Yeah? Yeah, so you guys were kind enough to show like that whole YouTube video during during this stream. So yeah, I appreciate that, you know, UFO J and on YouTube, you know, subscribing their liking that content. If you're in Texas though, and you're really into those documentary reports Texas UFOs on Facebook or text, ufoscitings dot com and on Twitter, that's where you'll get those just sometimes more boring reports, but if you're really really trying to understand the phenomenon on a regular basis, and then YouTube or do the interviews and analysis of some of these other sightings. Sometimes we also do weird Hollywood where we talking about the movie Predator on Thursday actually and actually tying it into real cases, right, real things. You know, could the Predator is that a feasible alien? Could? Could could we be hunted for sport? Oh my gosh, a little darker subject for Thursday, But appreciate all the support and so appreciated being invited on the show. I'm sorry I was late. Oh that was my fault, so so, but that was totally my thing and me being on the road and typing wrong numbers to you. But anyway, I appreciate it very much. It's always a pleasure to talk to you. This is a blast. Thank you, Martin, thank you everybody in the chat. All right, take care, all right, thye guys, bye, all right everyone, So back next week. I will not be back, but you can see this show will premiere exactly at six pm as always every Tuesday, automatically, and we'll be up as a podcast as always later on that night. So thank you so much. And next week, by the way, I just mentioned and it again is Kevin Randall and Albert Wayne and I appreciate all of my listeners and watches on YouTube. And we'll keep your eyes to the sky.