Attatatatatastasatatatastasattattattatta and so Claire, you were saying the book made you Saturday, I
just want to clarify that you're wrong to feel that it made me mad.
How stupid she was after that kind of scary shit. Can I get a
fucking fair tale ending? Please? If you haven't stopped listening to the castin
or and had to goude your ear drums after hearing that, Clara, not
to suck a damper in that, But neither you nor I caught that the
mother who was dead. Hello everyone, and welcome to me and book club.
This week we read Eleanor Olafon is Completely Fine by Gail Honeymoon Honey we
did. What a fun first and last name. I liked both Gail or
Eleanor? Which one? I like both Gail and I like Honeyman. What
a fun name. It makes me get Matilda, miss honey from Matilda.
Okay, I don't know this well all right, but that's what I know
Matilda. But I don't well, I was scared of a lot of things.
I was about to say, I feel like you love Matilda. Actually
I would think you'd be like, yeah, stories with orphanages. We're pretty
scary for me. She's got a parents close to home. Oh, I
don't know. I just really didn't like all over twit. Like as soon
as they were at the Boy for Sale part, it was like, turn
it off. She's Matilda's little girl. She's parents that are really cruel to
her, but she's got she got like superpowers. Yeah, like you,
I feel like you would have liked it. That's why the cruel part I
think, is it a show, it's a book. It's a book.
And what I'm referring to is the movie I Got You, Yeah, played
by Marra Wilson. Yeah, of course famously. That's why I think.
You know, I feel like you get as are scared of most things,
even honestly, even being in the movie theater was a little scary for me.
Okay, we had to walk out of Jumanji. Okay, that's that's
a scary movie. Okay, I can give you that too much. You
would have been scary. It was, But I didn't watch a lot of
movies. The TV girl, we would have been friends. I don't understand.
I went to movies were a very young huge constantly I said, I'm
Claire, just that you said thank you, but I want to make sure
you heard me say. I don't think we would have. I also miss
heard that. I did see that clear, because all she did was having
to hang out the movie theater. That's what johnestly. I like spooky things.
We know, we know, we know. I'm often friends with people
who like spooky things. That's how I've ended up seeing some spooky things,
just trying to be included. And now I have to watch this. Yeah
all right, yeah, well, if you're gonna not pussy out, but
sure you can come hag well, I can quietly close my eyes. I
mean, it's not gonna bother you. You're not even gonna know. Sure.
Anyway, we are mean book club. We read books that you tell
us, uh you know, maybe suck like they're New York Times bestsellers,
but you don't understand why your book club's reading them, and you really want
us to rip on them. Uh so uh as always be or your hosts.
I'm Sarah Burton, what's up. I'm Clara Morris, I'm Jonas Crabis,
and I'm Sabrina. I that was a hard one. Rhythm uh did
not follow the group energy. I heard it in my head. I'm gonna
feel like I held in a sneeze, all right, So JOHNA, why
why who recommended this? Why are we reading? We're back to our friend
Alessandra again because her recommendations are good and she writes funny little snippets about why
we could read, and they're just catnipped to us. So there is what
she had to say. I swear I do not seek out bad books,
but here we are. Please do eleanor Olifan is completely fine. It is
a pretty quick read and definitely mean book club material. The main character is
thirty, gross and therefore so old and decrepit. She has a hard time
navigating computers, bikini axes in ordering a pizza without breaking a hip. She
falls in love with a musician because despite being a deeply troubled and wounded individual,
she's also super shallow. She tries to enter society and is thoroughly confused
by everyday things. Would have simply been impossible to avoid on this point.
She's basically cosplaying as a human due to some pretty awful trauma and abuse,
and yet the book is marketed as quote funny. I have a similar problem,
Alessandra. I have a similar problem. Oh, just like to the
character or to the So what she's saying right here? Okay, I was
told this was a funny book, and then I would like it. Okay,
incredible you had a way to interrupt someone who's not even here. In
fairness, she continues, I think there was potential for a good book that
is never fully realized. Kudos to Gail Honeyman for making a character so pitiable
and yet unlikable. I think as a society we should look into why books
written about abused women sell so fucking well. But for now, I will
just continue to recommend them to you guys. So here we are at the
end of her review. Now I was agreeing with her, and it was
like I was cheer hyping her up. Sure, I'm sure she enjoyed it.
I'm sure she's like. I like to think, Claire, that you
were saying you just like relate so much to Eleanor that you're really that was
what you're saying. There was one line I liked that Eleanor had. It
was like, she makes horrendous jewelry and sells it to idiots. Yeah,
full time I read Eleanor, I thought Clara would love this person, they
would be friends. Really, you didn't like music, I thought that would
be a big point of relation for you. Guys. Well, I don't
dislike it in the way that she dislikes it. Okay, I don't understand.
I don't understand how it's different. You're gonna understand. And she has
that little inner monologue. It's like mean about people, but funny. It's
like a little I guess I think I'm a lot funnier. And okay,
you're very very funny, thank you. Yeah, I won't be demonstrating that
for a bit now because the pressure's on. I'm gonna just wait and see
shine. All right. So, how did you guys all read this book?
Library Audiobook Classic dittohdo? Okay? Well, first of all, this
was a pleasure read for me several years ago. I believe I recommended it
on this cast as a hey, if you want to get away from the
dribble we read, give this book a try. I've also bought it for
two separate people, so this was a happy second read for me. Given
this to people unpleasant, It's unpleasant. It's very funny and very good.
It's unpleasant. It's a great book. I think everyone. I've really liked
it. Yeah, that's right, that's right. It's a great book.
You like to read about the abuse, you know what, Sometimes bad things
happen and that's a part of life. And that's okay. I wanted more
abuse, to be honest. Sorry, you guys, I'm kidding, Sabrina.
Would could you sum it up for us? Sum it up? Okay?
There are roles for everyone? Oh joy, Okay, I just want
you guys to claim who wants to be about the same mummy? Okay,
who wants to be eleanor? Okay? Too slowly? I tried to if
people don't want to be her, I can multiple people want to go.
I got it. Oh yeah, I said. I tried to give it
to John because she had just lost one, but I waited. I mean,
I couldn't wait any longer. But I think voiceover is the better of
the remaining two roles. The other one I'm going to do voiceover. No,
I was gonna give it to you. Okay. It's just feeling benevolent
today. That's very nice. Yeah, and I'll be Raymond any direction,
Sabrina. I guess the one thing I would say is that the voiceover character
is not the same character both times, but the second one. First one
is narrator setting the scene. Second one it tells you who it is,
and then I think your voiceover will give the stage directions that everybody else needs
to hear. Okay, perfect doing on my petite shoulders. Yeah, we
see Eleanor Oliphant. She's thirty years old and playing, but has scars on
her face. She has a devil on her shoulder her mother, and an
underdressed angel on their other shoulder, her work friend Raymond. In the book,
they are not literally angel and devil. It's just the vibes, you
know. I am Eleanor Oliphant. I work in accounts payable at a business.
I don't have a computer of my own, nor do I know who
SpongeBob SquarePants is. I like my life, don't like your life. Epathetic
little dub dub, you are not worthy. Hey, Eleanor, you're okay?
Do you want to come to a family function with me? Thank you?
I do think I'm okay. I actually have a boyfriend now, but
yes, I will go on a series of dates with you. You do.
Oh yeah, where did you meet him? A meeting of the WPS
worthless people's society. Do you have information, mummy? We've not quite met
yet. He's a famous musician. I love his music, You pathetic little
Please insert more money to continue this prison call? And at all did you
hear that you need to spend more money to talk to me? Pay it?
Pay it now? So what did your mom do to get into prison?
Anyway? I don't know. I'm sure these cars on my face have
nothing to do with it. Honestly, maybe I should kill myself or maybe
we could have lunch instead. No talk to me, mummy. I'm going
to have lunch with my friend. I have a cat now. Also,
I got promoted at work, even though I thought that getting a single job
was the end of the line, and never once contemplated my next step.
As you can see, I don't need you. I'm completely fine with that.
Goodbye and scene beautiful. You are aware this book was set in Scotland?
Correct? Yeah? Who's the you in that sentence? All of you?
All of us? Okay Scottish accent? Give us? She wasn't Scottish.
Character wasn't Scottish. I was eleanor didn't have a Scottish accent? That
Raymond's mom remarked Raymond. It was the one who had the Scotch Scotia.
I forgot, okay, I I think Sabrina your portrayal of Raymond was beautiful,
Like honestly, I think one of the best performances we've had on the
cast. Wow, that's fine, fun, understated, and yet it really
I thought you played it twity. Well you just said she did the accent
wrong, so which is it? Well, we would get a dialect coach
for further rehearsals, but I didn't want to the scene, you know,
yeah, of course, man, I wish I had remembered, Yeah,
okay, you do, and then my next line would be, also,
would your mom do to get in prison? Anyway? Last petty good,
that was pretty good, thank you, And then my last line would have
been, or maybe we could have lunch instead? Not like I guess she's
giving the editor an option to splice those it's never going to be wait,
I forgot the forgot the first line. Hey Eleanor, You're okay, I
want to go to the family function with me. We're really it's the whole
time. Hey Eleanor, You're okay you want to go to a family function
with I? Just like that. You're making decisions. I like, I
like the directions you're going. Johnna. Do we have a Johnna's jugs for
this one? Yeah? So we got two things here. So first of
all, you can actually, if you're one of our UK based listeners,
if you haven't stopped listening to the cast in Horror UH and had to gowd
your ear drums after hearing that, I would is that what you were?
I was just talking. I was just talking. It's okay. I can't
have an opinion. Glenn's vodka, which is what Eleanor drank, and it
is manufactured by the lock LeMond Group, loch LeMond Group. It's Scottish,
so you can go ahead and have what I'm sure is an absolutely disgusting vodka.
The other thing I'm gonna recommend to you, okay, is a little
something called Buckfast. I got to have when I was in Scotland and it's
a whole lot of fun. Let me tell you about Buckfast. You guys
remember for Loco. Yeah, okay, this is worse. It is instead
of uh, it has the energy drink component, but it's mixed with the
wine instead, and it's banned from being brought into bars and clubs in Scotland
because too many people uh stab each other. I guess when they get wild
on the buck fast to remember it might be. I need to tell you
something fun, which is when Scottish people leave Scotland, they still want buck
fast and there's a little app called find Me Bucky and they use it to
now places that sell buck fast. Wow. I would love if you were
listening and you paired this episode with a little Bucky. All right, that
sounds disgusting. So all right, you drink wine, you have your energy.
Drink wine, take a few SIPs and we'll be right back with more
about the book and the author. Br By, We're back. Hi,
Jay, really dive it big and desperate. Yes, okay, she just
said hi. You said hi? Okay. Eleanor Olaphant is the twenty seventeen
debut novel by Gail Honeyman. It won the Costa Debut Novel Award, which
is basically a special award just for people in the UK and Ireland. So
it's like, even to be honest, it's not even real, Okay,
it's nice. There's a special award made up for like a very small special
group of people. Okay, sack. May twenty seventeen. The film rates
were optioned by Reese Witherspoon's company, Hello Sunshine. Of course their hands all
over these books. Yeah, I'm reading it, I think, And it
was announced it would be an MGM picture, but I haven't heard anything else
about it. But it was I just want the Yeah. God. It
was one of those where like it sold at auction, there were a ton
of bids and publishers as soon as it sold, like the movie rights were
acquired and things like that. It was just or you know, as soon
as it debuted. I believe it was you know, big right out the
gate bangers success. This is the most updated. The information I have is
from two years ago, So twenty twenty two. Yeah, it says Fleabag
director Harry Bradbeard to direct and Georgia Pritchett is adapting. That's like, huh,
but what's going on? You know, it's been I mean, I
know movies moved slowly, but it does feel like we're getting into like it's
not happening territorially. Maybe they started to feel so sad about Eleanor that they
couldn't go on if you were sad. Also I just want to say,
Georgia Pritchett, the one adapting, Yeah, she was, Uh where does
this information just go? She was the coe p On succession and veep.
Oh wow cool. I like that. Okay, pretty amazing shells. So
that's pretty I'm into it now. Okay, hope, I hope that happens.
Yeah. I agree. And so Claire, you were saying the book
made you said, and I just want to clarify that you're wrong to feel
that, because actually this book is a genre called uplet up dash l I
T, which means it is uplifting literature. Yeah, it's designed to kind
of make you happy. And there is a theory that people were drawn to
it because of how unhappy the world is. What's the happening? I don't
understand. I don't I don't agree with that it's uplit you guys. Is
that happy part, like your life is better than Eleanor's yeah, or just
that hurt like gets a little better by the end. Is it the fact
that she gets it gets I think that's what Scottish people fingers uplifted. Well,
she goes to therapy and that's like really uplifting. I think there's a
little bit of an updog thing going on. Yeah, yeah, okay,
yes, absolutely So do you know what I'm talking about? No, I
don't. I don't remember. If you're trying to get us to say some
you're trying to make you want me to I see you want me to say,
what's up? Dog? Yeah? I think I see you pee Jonah,
I got it, I got it, all right. So it's not
you know, I think there's the point though, like, is this uplifting
of Scottish people? Maybe? I think they are generally pretty darkly funny group
of people, so maybe this is like the happiest it gets in Scotland.
Yeah, it does show up. When I look up up that it shows
up and you know what else shows up on that list? A man called
Well's I I think if this book is so, is that? Yeah?
But I don't understand the genre. Sure, I'm with you there, all
right? Tell us about a Gale. Dale was born in Sterling, Scotland,
and Sterling is a city in central Scotland, northeast of Glasgow, northwest
of Edinburgh. The market town surrounded by rich farmland. Let me get my
map out citadel, the medieval old town with its merchants and tradesmen, the
old bridge of the port. I mean, doesn't Scotland just sound incredible?
Don't you want to go? Don't you want to go in August with me?
Are you going in August? Are you going for the are you going
to the fringe? I don't know if we're going to hit fringe. Just
the time I trying to go, my cousin was trying to convince me to
come for fringe, and I was like, yeah, with the baby,
Well, I'm going to be there, Sarah, what's friend? Sounds like
sounds like you're going to be missing this well the very end, I'll be
there. Maybe, Okay, something to think about. We'll talk more about
this off cast. Sure. He is fifty two years old. She started
writing professionally in her forties. As you know, we go crazy for that
ship. We're so happy. I'm always a little skeptical. Yeah, what
took you so long? Yeah, I'm fine with it. I'm fine with
it. I'm fine with it. Okay. Now here's where this bio gets
a little interesting. I think you guys are going to be interested in this.
So a couple of things are going on. First of all, she
has a second book coming out, and to be fair, it's coming out
December eighteenth, twenty twenty five. It's currently called untitled Book two. All
she has said about it so far is it set in a different period and
location, followed by I'll see what happens. I guess. This really feels
like this is a dog that has caught the bumper situation where she does not
have a second book. In an absolute panic, she knows that a book
is about to go on sale a little over a year from to how and
there is no book and she has no idea what it's gonna be. It
has a time period, it does a spot in a time or it's maybe
like a Georgia or Martin thing where she's like, oh, was not expecting
to be so popular, and then like just as like, I'm gonna it's
gonna take me a while I get another one out of here. Maybe or
could maybe it was a freaky Friday situation. Somebody swapped into her body and
wrote it, and then they swapped back and now she yeah, thats like
I've got to go back to that same restaurant. I gotta go. We
gotta have a lightning strike. Okay, here's the other thing. I So
she seems to be, based on her online presence or lack thereof, an
extremely mysterious person. So I want to just read this quick excerpt from one
of the very, very very few interviews she did. Okay. She admits
to having grown up in a village in central Scotland, midway between Glasgow and
Edinburgh, as listeners know, but when pressed about her background or her personal
life clams up. It takes a mid interview phone call to her parents to
reassure her that it's okay to mention what they did for a living. Her
mother was a civil servant and her dad worked in a science lab. They
are both retired. There was no going on in the science lab, as
my first thought. There was no history of writing in the family, and
when she describes how she came into writing, she says, there really is
no mystery. It's all very ordinary, which is an incredibly suspicious thing to
say. Here's my question. Is she autistic like her main character? I
would say yeah. I mean the way the author writes and gets into the
mind of Eleanor, who is probably on a spectrum. I know that it
doesn't say that, yeah, but it doesn't say that to read it in
any other way. To me, I agree, it does make you think
like someone who can see the world this uniquely and through this particular lens as
an author, Like it did make me wonder. I don't know. I'm
saying she's mysterious and I think there's more and we got to get to the
bottom of it. I think she's more like her character, maybe like without
the horrible Like if her parents are that, she probably doesn't have a horrible
background. But I feel like she's more like her character than are you dying
to know more? What's the new book? What are her secrets? Why
doesn't you talk to anybody? She doesn't like the pressure, she doesn't like
the attention. Mm hmm, that's what I'm getting. That's my guest.
All right, all right, well let's go into it more of an interest.
But okay, it's fine, respector privacy, respector privacy, that's really
messing. I'm not interested. I will say this book does like just because
we just brought up man, we just did uh the oo guy. It
is weird the similarities between these two books, with the whole like I don't
know how computers work, and like there's a oh yeah, it's just I
don't know, I don't know what else to say. We can come back
to that. I don't know, Maybe we need to talk a little bit
more about the characters and stuff before diving in. But yeah, truly,
there were a lot of There were so many parallels because Okay, in Uva,
we have a main character who's a lonely Okay, check, that's what
we have with eleanor the things they're better than everyone thinks they're better than everybody
in sort of a defensive way. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I think,
oh, this was first person narrative, and that was like weird.
Started everything with a man named Uba, but the vibe just felt the same.
Computers. They both don't know what a computer is. But I yeah,
that was the Oh it's even But that was weirder for me because I
was like, actually that at the beginning of this, because that's pretty early.
It kind of pissed. That pissed me off, and it took I
was like, I need more because at that point we didn't know anything about
like, oh, she had a weird past of abuse, Like we didn't
know at that point, so it was like I was like, why is
she such an idiot? Like she's not old like Ova least was older.
Yeah, and it was earlier. It was like twenty eleven. This was
twenty seventeen. Like she should know what the fuck a computer? Like it
made me mad? How stupid? Yeah, she was too much. Also,
they both acquire a cat, they both try to kill themselves. Yep,
that's true. Okay, I just feel like we're completely blowing past the
comedy. It's like, it's not that she doesn't know how to use these
things, she's just chosen not to. She's happy reading her books and watching
her show. And oh Johnah doesn't like technology. So she's feeling intextually.
I don't like feel like you have to be so, but that's what I'm
saying. I actually I feel like eventually once you find out like more like
her issues. I I just at the time when it was happening, I
thought, in my head, I need to hear that she is the background
where she used to be like amish or something for me to be like by
the into her character being so dumb. Read all these things and I'll do
the choice to a shoe modern stupid things like computers. I'm much happier if
I didn't have a computer, but you wouldn't order one. You wouldn't know,
Like God, it's you didn't have a computer already. Let me tell
let me ask you this. How many times has a book broken my ribs?
Okay, how many times has a phone broken my ribs? I think
you're still blaming the wrong thing here. The jacket I think was too tight
and on another tne I feel like, is the probably your biggest culprit that
you wasn't wasn't it wasn't skiing the jacket. This is I was on pa,
but I was not sag. I was standing. This is ridiculous balanced.
Her phone was in her pocket and she leaned over or stood up or
something and it broke her ribs. All through my last skime, I wasn't
sing, Sarah, I was did you handy on the skis are on?
Then? I'm saying it was no, no, no. But this scenario
is like if she was wearing a bathing suit but was outside of the pool
exactly, I'm not. I wouldn't say I was round swimming. I would
say I was in a bathing suit and a bird came out of the sky.
I mean that drowned me. I don't think the analogy. I still
maybe I shouldn't have been near. Maybe shouldn't have been near the pool.
Problem now I can't even now it's what I was wearing is a problem.
I think certainly that's my fault for what I think the location. And oh
yeah, I'll have to just be more careful. I can't where I go.
I guess, you know, in the morning, Yeah, maybe don't
go skik But look, I don't even know what we were talking about related
talking about how stupid technology is. Oh my god, Okay, I don't
whatever. For all the parallels to the book Over, I hated that book
more than any book I've ever read that I can remember. And I did
like this book. Yeah, I also people said they liked this book.
It made me feel like, wow, Over really could have been executed better.
Yes, yeah, I give example to readers about how funny Eleanor is.
Yeah, could you? Yeah, it's no trouble. Okay, here
we go. So she's has to text her new work friend. She goes.
I steeled myself as best I could, and with teeth gritted, using
only one finger, I typed, see you there e. I sat back,
feeling queasy. Illiterate communication was quicker. That was true, not by
much. I'd save myself the trouble of typing four whole characters. Still,
it was part of my new credo, trying new things. I tried it,
and I definitely did not like it. Hello could go and take a
running jump? Yeah, so funny. So I think it's charming. I
think it goes down easy. Yeah. And with Sabrina, Okay, what
about this one? No thank you? I said, I don't want to
accept a drink from you because then I would be obliged to purchase one for
you in return, and I'm afraid I'm simply not interested in spending two drinks
worth of time. Yes, And that's to me again, why I'm like
this. She's autistic with it, but it's like, that's funny because you're
like, who would be in this social situation be so another thing that she
said that I think maybe JOHNA would characterize as funny. It's just based on
the examples you've given reading a book and has a dog in it, and
she says book can never have too much dog. That's so relatable. Yeah,
although she had a lot of not relatable things. When you talked about
food, and I think that's sure. How about this one? I had
no idea how to respond and opted for a smile, which serves me well
on most occasions. Though it's not something to do with death or illness.
I know that now, so funny. Wait, I got another one.
I can't remember who's talking to. I think maybe it's like Raymond's mom and
they found out she was sick and she was like, I asked a follow
up question, not because I was interested, but because that's what you do.
Yeah, that was good. Okay, Okay, look we're moving the
needle on claricy I know. And I like that one, I said,
But she's like, she makes bed jewelry stills a idiots. Yeah. See,
I think this is a you know, versal like uh oh no no
no no no no no no, no, no no no, no sloid
death Alessandra, Look, you got out over your skis on this book.
Okay, you said it. How what happened when you hear your ribs?
Well in a way, I imagine you were standing at the top of the
hill I was. I just did not fall. I did not make a
skiing error. My phone effectively reached out of the jacket pocket lodged itself between
my ribs and Donna. You will never I just I mean, I wish
I could have been in the room with you when you explained what to the
doctor what you think happened? What did the doctor say, like, oh,
typical, oh, skier skiing. But it wasn't not the related the
scheme. It was. Yeah, I was helping. I was hoping the
doctor pa by the way, Okay, I was hoping that he was a
skier because I wanted him to understand when you get up from the chair lift
that there is a surge of a sort of violent thrust that you must do
to stand. Okay, So it is no absolutely standing. I was literally
standing up. I was not skiing, okay, but it was a special
kind of standing up you would only do on a ski lift. It's like
this is actually to your swimming thing. It's like it is though like you
were, like, well, when I dove into the water, my goggles
hit me in the face. It's like you were that's still swimming? Next?
Was I, Sarah? Was I diving or was I swimming? Still
swimming next? Okay, Well, it's the analogy is bad. No one
is killing it works. It makes sense to me. Swear it more like
if I was getting up onto the diving block to perform in my relay race
and I slipped off the diving block because the diving block was faulty the diving
itself. So you you looked the phone as faulty as that, or the
chair replacement on the coat was the problem, to be honest, it shouldn't
have been there. It wasn't a safe place to have a pocket. They
could fit a phone, you know what. It's women's clothing to have less
having a hard time not why the standing up, I'm like, had sort
of pokes you. I don't, doesn't it kind of it became it went
from being a vertical phone to a phone that was horizontal parallel to I would
guess is that you actually probably did it prior to whatever this happened, and
it wasn't until you stood up that you actually felt the pain. No,
you could not be more wrong. I'm sure. I'm actually so confident that
you weren't there. I know, but from just listening to what happened,
it doesn't make sense. Non. I wish I could have been your doctor,
because I got it. I know you do. I know you got
it. You have a rib broken from a phone in your pocket. No,
I was there. I like, know what she's saying. Half it?
Yeah, and you show me I can Yeah. Okay, you're a
body your phone is like this. You are okay, it's not gonna be
great for the cast to show you lean a leaan forward and then you thrust
up with momentum. And what happened was the phone, in that moment of
leaning forward, put itself right into my ribs, and then when I thrust
it up with momentum, it went in between and broke a rib and it
broke a rip. Okay, interesting, Has this the first time you had
had the phone in that place and worn that was, Sarah? Yes,
it was because I wanted to make sure that Dan, who was separated from
the group, was contacted by us as needed. So so usually you put
the phone somewhere else. Usually I put it in my thigh pocket where it's
safe in the event of a very unlikely fall. That way, if I
get hurt, it's not pressing up against my ribs and my organs of my
body. It's down your heavy, heavy thighre. Now I'm hearing that you
already knew it was a risk and it was a risk you took. It
was was wrong. The coat was wrong. It should it should be okay
in a coat pocket coat was wrong. Not me. All right, that's
fine. But I think the fact that it was a special ski lists move
makes it a skiing injury. It doesn't mean you did something wrong or that
you're I'm not We're not calling you a bad skier. If that's what your
your defense, which is I'm sure that it's what no one's calling It's more.
Yeah, it's the it's the language we're talking about skiing in. Or
maybe it's not safe. Oh you broke your rib skiing. No, absolutely,
everyone knows that that's not a it's not a surprising thing anyway. The
book is funny, very funny. So Eleanor we meet her. She doesn't
have any friends, she's very weird h her. It starts out she sees
this guy who She's like, this is this is uh? This guy he's
amazed. This was confusing and it made me made and it made me feel
like I missed something in the book because it was like lonely, lonely,
lonely. I don't talk to anybody, I don't speak on the weekends.
I went to a concert with somebody from work, and I fell in love
with the guy, and the concerts like what the fuck? Wait? Well,
I think it goes to show what a special occasion the concert was.
And you know, she doesn't normally go to these things. She doesn't understand
that there is a performer audience boundary. Yes, I needed more. I
needed more into or maybe I did miss something because I was done an audiobook
and I won't rewind. But I felt like I needed more explanation for why
she was at a concert with someone all of a sudden. I mean,
I don't think it was just like a yeah, I didn't she win it?
Didn't she like win it for the radio? And then she just like
brought the youngest guy. Right, But that seems like a lot to go
from never speaking to anyone to inviting someone to go to college. But I
don't think she has social anxiety. I don't think that's her issue. I
think she's autistic. I think it's just like she doesn't do a social direction
that I don't think it's h Yeah, I don't think that's her issue.
But she yeah, anyway, so she's like, I'm this is the guy,
he's the one for me, which is obviously like to us the reader
being like, Okay, she's off her rocker. Something's really messed up here,
and she thinks this is the one that like her mom will approve of
or whatever, and she does some creepy things like eventually looks up where he
lives, and like she gets the computer because she wants to stalk him,
and then she does. And at that point the book I was like,
actually, I kind of like would have like I don't know. I keep
thinking about this and like, would I like this book better? The book
that I thought was happening at that point, which was like her mother is
like I thought maybe her mother was like because we don't know the deal with
her mother at that point, and I thought, oh, except for that,
she's like crazy and not and mean and not with and in some sort
of home or like just not Eleanor has weekly phone calls with her They say
so uh. In my head, I thought at that point that she was
like in a prison or an insane asylum. And I was like, oh,
so is Eleanor is it going to be her like struggling with becoming as
insane as her mother? And I thought she was I thought that was just
the start of her being creepy freak, but she doesn't do anything else.
I would say that rose to the level of stalker. Is what she did
or naw on when she showed up to his house and rang the doorbell and
then she like sat outsize door listened to him. Look right right right,
I'm saying. After that she does is go to a concert and it's like,
yeah, it's not that bad. Something that like wasn't didn't necessarily click
for me, is like okay. So honestly, when she like delusionally started
loving the singer, that's when I took a turn on the book. I
was like, my notes are like this is so like, oh oh my
god, I hate it. And then I was like, okay, of
how delusional she is, I did like you, That's what I was like.
It's very dark, and I was like, ooh, this is exciting,
this is interesting. I did like it. But then she just like
later realizes that she's being crazy, and that didn't feel like what that character
would do given the like obsession, you needed a step in between. Yeah,
maybe something with the mom and realizing the similarities or something. Yeah,
I wanted her to I wanted her to take it farther and then like it,
because it's just like she never because what she does is later towards the
as much later the book, she like goes to the concert and like he
doesn't look at her, and she's like realizes she doesn't even like him or
the music, and it's just like, oh, I was wrong, I
was being crazy. It did seem too easy, Yeah, that realization.
Yeah. Well, he also, I think, does something disgusting on stage,
not disgusting, but disgusting to her, Like he like, yeah,
shows his butt. Yeah that's not it. I don't know why that I'm
saying that sounds right, okay, and you know, to her that's just
so grotesque. So I think it's partly that she loses the crush just because
she's like, oh, he's not the man I thought he was. Which
a similar experience at a concert. Yeah, I was Matt, and I
saw this artist in perform at the Stone Pony in Aspbury Park, and I
was like, his songs are so beautiful and romantic and deep and just like
heartbreaking. And then he was there and he was really drunk and he was
just so into telling his own stories. Sad oh yeah, I don't like
that. Yeah, that can happen. But you also weren't stalking him previously,
so you were you were making some very dangerous assumptions. All right,
maybe you were, but anyway, all right, that's happening. So and
then and while she's doing that, she's like, I'm trying to make over
myself to make before she has her big meeting with this guy that she's now
the singer that she's obsessed with. So she does some things like she gets
a wax, which is what I said. I hated the waxing scene.
I was like, you know, because it's just like I don't like,
I'm not a fan of Like I don't know how things work. Yeah,
and I feel like I I'm supposed to be funny, but it wasn't funny,
right, So that's why I mean, I didn't I didn't feel like
I was like behind I got was behind her weird choices until I knew like
a little bit more about her past. I wish they had like del that
had been talked about, or they gave us that information earlier, because then
I would have been more on board with her and her reactions to things.
I don't know. Yeah, I mean it's like hard because it's like a
nice to get as a reveal. But yeah, I was annoyed at her
at first, and then I was like, Okay, fine, yeah,
I guess I will give you that. It does feel lazy to have characters
that just don't know something, because some of the other writing in this book
was more inspired, Like it's like, she has a funny take, I
put kill your take on this. Yeah, some stuff she really knew,
like yeah, like food and yeah, she seemed very smart in some ways.
So that's what it was. Like. I'm thinking about her relationships,
and so I was shocked to find that she had previously been sleeping with somebody.
Yeah, it's like talking. Yeah, and then she was like talking
to Raymond about how that ended. I can't remember, but she was like,
well, you know, even though we didn't go on dates, we
did get to have sex, and that's better than just getting raped. Oh
yeah, And Raymond was like, you know those are not the only two
options. Yeah, I think we need to talk about Raymond. But wait,
let's take it a quickmmercial break and then we'll, uh, we gotta
get we haven't given the background, so let's do it. B RB,
we're back. Does somebody want to break down Raymond? Nobody want to do
an Okay, you'll have to help me fill some things in. But essentially
he works with her and he's an it guy. New coworker too, new
coworker. Oh yeah, she knows so little about computer is that she didn't
know that the old it guy had left months ago. Anyway, that's fine,
but some reason he and her call an ambulance or something because some guy's
sick. So they like form this. They see somebody faint in the street,
okay, as they're like leaving work, right, yeah, and they
both help him and they help him and then he saves his life is saved,
and Raymond calls her from the hospital. He's like, oh, I
thought you'd want to see he's away because he was in a coma. And
then they're like, oh, so excited. And then he's like, oh,
we should go have a beer together, and she's like, I guess
never really been to a bar, but I could do that, and like
they go and this is where they start their friendship. And it's really interesting
because she's like, what if people order at bars? What if people order
at bars? Oh my god, He's gonna ask me what I want.
Anyway, they like have their little drinks and then they just like keep hanging
out and it seems like a cute little romance could be developed. Yes,
yes, I agree. They go to his aunt's house to do something.
She invites him to something. Then he invites her over and she meets his
mom. Yeah, and the mom's like really nice, and it's like they
get along so well. It's really sweet. I also at this point was
like, this is moving towards this is because then people would think they're a
couple, and then she would always be like, oh no, no,
no, I've already got somebody. I just haven't met him yet, or
like you know, funny things like that. But it was like, oh
no, she's gonna have to She's going to realize at some point that Raymond's
better than Yeah, yeah, she'd be going for et cetera. But that
didn't really didn't happen. Yeah, he might have been to do it,
but I don't know why he wants to be friends with her. She's not
that nice to him. More fun yeah for him. They meet up,
She's always like in her head, he's dressed like shit, why would he
pick that? Kreddy ass out. But yeah, I don't really know why
he brought her to his mom's house. I feel like, I guess because
I feel like when he talked to he's like a really sweet, sincere person,
and I think he talked about like having an old relationship with a woman
cheated on him, and I think he probably's attracted to how like Elmo is
just like Larry Blunt, and she's like this is what she is, is
what she says is, and like, uh, she sees the world a
little differently. But I don't know. I I bought them at least being
friends, I guess. But you know I wanted I wanted them to be
I wanted it ending with them, to be romantically involved. I just me
too. I wanted a lot of nicer things you wanted more than nice life.
I still want her to have a nicer life. Yeah, No,
she's very It was very sad. Her situation was sad, but I liked
I liked the dark stuff. That's what it's like. I could have had
this book be even darker. To be quite honest, I'm not comin's that's
very brave. But yeah, so it's to parallel Eleanor doing these weird stalker
things with her, and a burgeoning friendship with Raymond is kind of happening up
to the point where eleanor Uh she goes to the concert, has the realization
that this man isn't for her. Then she just starts getting drunk on vodka
and is like gonna try to kill herself. She's missing work, which she
never does. And did you relate to that, Johnah, that sounded like
you when they were talking about someone who never misses work. No, no,
no, I miss fork, never depends on the job. Well,
uh yeah. So basically Raymond saves her life. Somebody want to take over
you got it? I feel like I'm just rambling about, like what happened?
What happened? I mean, I'd like to do that's that is?
You know. I think she struggles with obviously mental health issues. She yet
decides, like Sarah said, she's gonna take her life, prepares to do
so, Raymond saves her, and it's ultimately like this really interesting redeeming story
about it's not a love story, but it's a friendship story of how like
we all need something in our lives, Like you can't just go home from
work on Friday and not see anyone until Monday. I actually already knew that
already, actually already. But maybe it's asking you to reach out to someone
who doesn't know that. Oh, is that what it wanted me to do?
Because that's not something I'm not going to do that. I'm not going
to be the Raymond he has not described flatteringly. Okay, so Sabrina and
I both have to do two people. Now that's the bok. Look,
we could take them on a groupie. Let's talk about the reveals from the
therapy, right, because I feel like I'm getting that maybe we took away
different things from the reveals? Is that my Am I wrong here? From
the summary? I was like, just is Sabrina not revealing what happened?
Or do we did I? Okay, okay, okay, okay. I
wasn't sure whether I was like, did I interpret something wrong? Because I
was really speedy to finish this book. So it's fair, okay, giving
the mom died in the fire? Yes, so oh no you don't think
so, Sabrina? Maybe? Wait, yeah I didn't. So good,
this is good. This is good. It wasn't that it wasn't like one
hundred percent clear I don't know. I was listening on three time speed.
I was doing a lot of other things. I think it's pretty clear mom
that Eleanor has been talking to this whole time in the book every Wednesday night.
Isn't real. It's like the in her head and mom, uh set
the house on fire wood. Eleanor and her sister were children, and mom
and sister died in the house. Okay, I thought just sister. I
thought, just sister as well, Mom as well. And so this whole
kind of journey for Eleanor has been to this voice in her head, this
negative voice is just her own, but it's from her childhood trauma. Wow.
The devil on the shoulder was perhaps even more apt than I. And
that's from this house. I am like that. I am confidently. You
were like, no, I know the ending. I was just I obscured
it in the summer. Wow. No, all right, Well, I
mean I don't know. I thought maybe it was like I was not one
hundred confidence. So I thought I was having trouble piecing together because she like
said that her name was changed after it and everything, So I was like,
did they put her in witness protection? And but then she still found
her mom. I was like, how how she not like violating her protections?
And there was a part where she told the social worker she still talks
with the momb and the social work surprised. Yeah, they were like,
what, which makes sense if your mom burned up? Sister. Sure,
sure, I see the book is creeping up and up in everybody's estimation.
I did not like and I think that the audiobook probably the Witch like I
was really witch it was which I didn't like it. I was like,
this is very unpleasant to hear, just upsetting me. I don't like what
was saying to Eleanor. I don't like how she's saying it. I don't
want this in my life. But it made me want her. It made
me want Eleanor to be witchier, like have more of a WHICHY sighed to
her that I don't know, didn't really seem to happen with I don't know,
I maybe expect more of a specific but I guess she I mean,
I guess it was her struggling because in the end it was her doing the
voice in her head essentially right. But yeah, so again UPLT. There
was not like the happy ending. It was just that she was able to
admit what happened in her past to a therapy. Her life is better now,
her colleagues at work understand her more. D helped her bridge the gas,
and she got a haircut, and she, as she herself professes,
she realizes people like you when you rotate the clothes that you wear. It
was very astute. I also have a bone to pick with how this book
portrayed normal people like me being so mean and cruel like her coworkers were so
mean to her, laughing at her in the open because she has egzema or
something. That's not a fair way to describe us. Mh, Well,
so so she didn't you want to be a Raymond then no, No,
I'm one of the cool people. Work with friends. You are is a
bully to you. The cool people are the people that make fun of Eleanor
as they described like the masses. The normal masses were described as a little
bit like it was a cartoonish. Yeah, it was roll doll esque cruel.
Yeah, they were pretty cool, speaking of uh, roll doll Clara,
very good, a little roll doll reference. We're talking about them earlier.
Yeah, but I thought you didn't understand. I thought we didn't know.
I didn't even know you would have known that. Well, that's what
scared me off. All the beginnings of the books overly cruel to the children,
the same Your story is not adding up. Okay, I don't think.
I think it's just explain it all right, Well, did you have
any anything else we want to get into this book? I guess you would
have liked. What are issues? Let's go back to what Alisaders said.
I have no issues. I mean, what can I say? I loved
the book. I loved it so much. It's one of the few books
that were made on my bookshelf. Now, I may have thrown it away
eventually because I really have a problem. I have a problem. I need
to get help. But it did remain on my bookshelf for a good long
time. You're okay, okay, yeah, okay, Yeah. I throw
a lot of stuff away, though, Like the reason I was in the
jacket that hurt me was because I had thrown my ski jacket away. You
mean giving it away, right, yeah? Yeah, yeah, I do.
You mean it took to a good will but but yeah, I mean
ultimately, you know, I got rid of something I used multiple times a
year every year for no reason. Okay, well, now someone has a
nice ski jacket, jacket that won't ever hurt them. Did you mean to
leave a note in the pocket to tell them? She kept She kept the
quote that hurt her, I believe, but that hurt me is still here.
The problem is I got rid of the the ski coat. Oh okay,
all right. Anyway, Alice Siders says, uh, whatever criticisms,
was like, uh, oh, she's super shallow about the musician and like
she and I guess like Raymond. She's like mean about what way Raymond looks
and stuff like that. But I don't think it's to me. It's not
so much shallow. I feel like that's more to me her being on the
spectrum and like being very like these are the rules and like some of the
rules of life were introduced to her by her mother, like expectations, and
so she's like, these people aren't this is someone who is fitting into the
expectation or the rules, and this is someone who's really so the smokings and
no, no, this is you know that's I read it more like that,
not that she was shallow. It was just it just seems like very
similar to Ova, you know, even what you're saying, now, these
are the rules, you have to follow them. Yeah. And then that
reminded me of another similarity, which is, like, I guess she put
it as her mother really scorned overweight people. But that was oh, yeah,
you're right. They both did have that the Ova book. Oh yeah,
same book. Yeah, same book. Basically weird. It is a
lot there are a lot of similarities between them. Wof weird. Yeah,
I got we're the first people to notice that. Should we been writing in
journals writing, Clara, not to put a damper in that, but neither
you nor I caught that. The mother who was I don't know, I
don't know, I don't know. But write your journal articles, I said,
we Johnna, you were included? Oh really? Oh my god.
Okay, whose name goes first? I'm gonna go alphabetical first names is more
fair? Sure? All right? I feel like we just took a commercial
break, so we're not ready to But let's wrap this baby up. Let's
put up so that people the sooner we finished this podcast, as sooner people
could start reading this excellent, wonderful book, such a good book. Let's
just put a warning in there, A little bit sad and scary. It's
a little bit uplet. So I like my friend, my old roommate Joe,
who was on the podcast with her book while back. She's recommended this
to me years ago, thinking I would like it, and I'm just like,
wow, she thought I was so brave. Yeah, I really thought
you were going to be on my side. Clara, with all her little
funny things, she thinks and says, uh, man, I was like,
this person would be me and Claire's friend for sure, And now I
find out you're one of the bullies. You're one of people. I was
laughing at her at work. If it would help me fit in, absolutely
should do a little good Reads. Yeah, let's do good Reads. It's
kind of I almost feel like we should be not doing five steviews for this
one, but all we'll just do it. I agree, because it's been
so overwhelmingly positive on the cast. Here's Matthew, same Matthew five stars.
He goes. Eleanor Olivhon is not completely fine, well, at least not
at first. This book is a fantastic character study. The journey with quirky
Eleanor through the past and present is bizarre at times, thought provoking at others,
but I found it engaging no matter what. What a such a fun
ride. You know, when I sat down to write this, I thought
I was gonna get go four stars. But in writing the paragraphs above,
I was thinking about the uniqueness of the story and how gaged I was.
I'm gonna give it five, give it a try. I love the mid
review. Yeah, you gotta change it, you gotta change it up.
No, there's a lot of people being like, thank you eleanor Oliphant,
Thank you for picking me up out of my reading slump. Thank you for
being funny, sad, smart, blunt, hell, yeah sad. Oh,
thanks for being sad. Okay, I can get that anywhere. Thank
you for enriching my own personal vocab. My kindled dictionary has never had such
a workout. She does do crosswords admitting stupidity on the internet. Interesting.
Oh, here's this is interesting because it's the same person, Jules. She
says, my black black Heart doesn't always have to read about murders and mysteries.
I love a feel good story as much as the next guy. I
just needed to be the right kind of writing, the right kind of character.
I have to admit I wasn't a huge fan of a man called Uva
Uba did not strike me as a real person. He felt artificial and a
bit contrived. Made up. Eleanor, on the other hand, is real.
Five stars. That's interesting. I think I maybe did also feel that
way, like I believed. Yeah, I think that's fair. Actually,
when she says Uva feels contrived, Eleanor didn't feel as contrived. But honestly,
that maybe made it worse for me. It's like, I feel so
bad for her and she comes back. It's just a correct character. Not
really, it's not that great that she's at a job. She's like,
she likes people appreciate her more, they understand her more, everybody. She's
going up a little bit what I wanted to I did want after that kind
of scary ship one. Yeah, can I get a fucking fairy tale ending?
Yez, I would. I would have liked a little bit more.
That was uplet is still funny to me. It's very that's misleading, all
right, Okay, So do you guys want to do our Yeah? Yes,
I go first two out of five. The writing's not terrible, but
it's too scary. Two five too scary, scary, too scary. Obviously,
happy to go next. I absolutely love this book. I would recommend
it to anyone. It's a bookshelf keeper, a joy tory, start to
finish, love eleanor love the voice of the narrator, want to know more
about her? What a mystery, Gail Honeyman five, Johna, just if
you would recommend it to anyone, just give them a little give them a
little asterix which is like, it's a little bit scary. It's a little
bit scary. Okay, got it. I'm gonna give this one a four
out of five. I also, I did really like it. I think
for me, I could have been it could have been darker, I could
have been scary. I could have I would have liked some more scary.
I would have liked to see some more stalking. That's just that's just me.
That's how I feel, So four out of five. I will also
give it a four out of five. I I was not loving it the
first like ten to fifteen percent, when all I could feel were the parallels
to Ova. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really bringing
up that trauma for me. But once once I turned the corner and like,
I enjoyed it. I I mean, we're making fun of Johnna for
saying like all those things were funny. I still don't think that they were
necessarily funny, but they were certainly enjoyable to read, and I enjoyed reading
them. I mean yeah, but of course it's not the secret. So
right right, sure, sure, all right, it's time. It's time,
JOHNA. We've disagreed a lot, but your strawberries are still staying with
me, so we lied. Yeah, yeah, that's right. So it's
just a small price to pay for undying loyalty. It feels good, glad,
it feels good. M Yeah, Okay, I cast my vote.
I'm going to cast my vote. Okay, I'm nervous. Actually, she
seems like she's hesitant to do it. No, I'm not. Oh,
okay, okay, my vote is going to be for Clara because so my
vote, I think John and I had very good vibe. My vote should
never have been for Johanna, but Clara should have a little She called you
a bully. Remember she apologized to the readers if they've bombed the Scottish listeners
listening to us. Okay, you know your vote should have been for Jonna,
but you have to take into considering you. I can't right exactly because
you're a fat cat who accepts bribes ridiculous punching up. I get it intended,
but fun side effect of is getting tragged for it. Yeah, hmmm
mmmmm, well, I guess I just have the say I'm glad Johanas having
fun. Yeah, thank you. I know who my asshole is and it's
Sarah. And here's why, you know, I dropped these breadcrumbs at the
beginning of the cast. Oh what this author is such a mystery, you
know. I really thought Sarah would latch onto that and start clicking away on
her computer like she likes to do, doing doing all of her little reading
and her little looking on. And she didn't. She didn't take the bait
at all. So I was left there, just hung out to dry,
having only done a little bit of research on the author. An idiots.
I did mention the stuff on the movie, sure, but I I did
not know you wanted me to do work for you. You're in the middle
of the cast. That's that's accurate. I just if you wanted that,
you should have you should have put some actual, very wrong, clearly wrong
information, and that would have triggered me to be like what Johnnah and then
I would have probably just for your if next time, if you're trying to
pull that, okay, yeah, I'll certainly set it up again, you
know, to try to do less work. So thanks for the tip.
That's a good one for next time, ye, Sarah, that leaves only
you, I believe. Oh sorry, I just know it's not me,
so I don't know, go ahead on me. So some there would be
a situation where Claire could be insulted that you were just yeah, you know,
but it is like, yeah, I can't do anything to her.
I can say whatever I want for now. Mm hmm, Okay, I've
got my vote. It's not for Johina, but what it is, it's
for Sabrina. And there's a couple of reasons. One because I don't want
to vote with Johanna and let her choice become the asshole. One. Two
Sabrina attacking me just now, and she pointed out again that I missed that
the mother wasn't dead, and it was like, all right, we can't.
I don't even know that we need to point to the fact that I
missed it with you, well, don't point at it, brush over it,
and hopefully people didn't notice. What so my vote is for Sabrina.
It's not obviously it would be Jona. But my hands are tied. What
did she do? Yeah, the cycle of crime? Clara. Yeah,
yeah, this is tough. I guess obviously Again, you know, I
mean johna just randomly attacked me, but also random randomly. Yeah, it
was pretty random. She also I kept talking about that skiing accedent that was
nothing to go skiing and driving me crazy. But ultimately, you know,
this alliance is so fucked. So obviously I'm gonna vote for Clara because okay,
well John initiated the alliance, so yeah, but you're you're sticking with
it. You're what am I supposed to do? Be ungrateful for? Like
fifty dollars there, it's a I don't like you board the episode. Okay,
it's too power, it's too much power. The strawberries are We're not
that good. I'm gonna tell you that right now. I'm sure they were,
And I will say Clara wasn't expressly said in the gift, but I
would say trying to convince other people to vote for me is against the spirit
of I'm not necessarily saying vote for John. I'm just saying the vote for
me. I have to be able to defend myself. Jesus, remember John,
and we're all out on the cat. No, it's it's Claire,
Claire, you're you're, you're well. I'm tied with Sabrina though, no
you not. All three of you vote for me? No, I know
I had a voute. Sabrina got a voute. You got to Sabrina also
that too, right, No one, there's only four what Clara definitely got
You're gonna okay, okay, all right, more people would be up Sabrina.
No, no, no supported her? All right? Great? So
guys, what are we reading next for our big finale? What are we
reading big finale? We saved the book we absolutely do not want to read
for a last It's so clearly this week after we hunted it, and it's
guess what self help? Hell your truth? And let me tell you why.
I know self help books don't work because we've now read what seven?
Eight? Are our lives better in any way from before read the self book?
You all have children? Now? Yeah? If anything claiming you secreted
our children? No, I'm just suspicious, is all I'm saying. Is
anyone looking up what the book is during this vamping was like she knew she
was going to do. It's Dichotomy of Leadership by Jacko Willik and Leif Bobbin
sounds God and psychotomy of leadership. I'm not interested in that what economy means.
I'm not a leader and I don't aspire to be one. It's a
business book, and you know we're not in business. But we'll read it
and we'll talk about it, and it's gonna be a fun one. Please
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guys, mm hmm. Anybody have any good books? Well, other
than the whole episode. I've just been reading a lot of baby prep books.
You have already done it, Yeah, just reminder minding. I get
it. I get it. I've been taking the classes to make sure I'm
not taking the classes again, so to fill the guilt of that, I'm
reading the books. Is it the birth partner? That's always the one everyone
m I like them. Yeah, that's what's called. The birth partner is
a good one. Bringing up loved, bring no no no, fuck the
French it's ah Wow, I just thought of hot dogs again, expecting better.
Emily Aust she like the car. I recommended that one to me.
I read it during my pregnancy. Yeah, like she get upset about that
one, but I also liked it. Yeah. She just tells you,
like where the advice comes from, what kind of studies, and you know
how how much you should read into those studies and like what's kind of suspect
about them and stuff like that, because everything, like everything with the pregnancy
and after your kids is like a risk assessment. So I think it's good
to think of it in those ways. The books. I probably talked about
this before I finally started. I read most of the series now, The
Court Court of Thorn and Roses by Sarah Moss. Anybody, either of any
of you guys read that. No. I tried to get us to do
that that for the cast because I knew I wanted to read it, and
I still think it would have been good. God knows, I'd rather be
reading that than Dichotomy of Leadership. My god, it's it's it's horny fantasy,
and it's just exactly what I what I want out of my books.
Yeah, horny fantasy, so totally recommend those great. Okay, right right,
all right, we'll see you next step. We'll see you. I
mean hear you now you we don't hear from you. I imagine and I
see you in my mind's eye. There you go. M hm, see
great. I can hear you in my mind here. Sound great? All
right, bye bye bye