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Attatatatatastasatatatastasattattattatta and so Claire, you were
saying the book made you Saturday, I

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just want to clarify that you're wrong
to feel that it made me mad.

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How stupid she was after that kind
of scary shit. Can I get a

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fucking fair tale ending? Please?
If you haven't stopped listening to the castin

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or and had to goude your ear
drums after hearing that, Clara, not

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to suck a damper in that,
But neither you nor I caught that the

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mother who was dead. Hello everyone, and welcome to me and book club.

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This week we read Eleanor Olafon is
Completely Fine by Gail Honeymoon Honey we

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did. What a fun first and
last name. I liked both Gail or

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Eleanor? Which one? I like
both Gail and I like Honeyman. What

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a fun name. It makes me
get Matilda, miss honey from Matilda.

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Okay, I don't know this well
all right, but that's what I know

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Matilda. But I don't well,
I was scared of a lot of things.

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I was about to say, I
feel like you love Matilda. Actually

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I would think you'd be like,
yeah, stories with orphanages. We're pretty

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scary for me. She's got a
parents close to home. Oh, I

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don't know. I just really didn't
like all over twit. Like as soon

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as they were at the Boy for
Sale part, it was like, turn

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it off. She's Matilda's little girl. She's parents that are really cruel to

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her, but she's got she got
like superpowers. Yeah, like you,

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I feel like you would have liked
it. That's why the cruel part I

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think, is it a show,
it's a book. It's a book.

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And what I'm referring to is the
movie I Got You, Yeah, played

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by Marra Wilson. Yeah, of
course famously. That's why I think.

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You know, I feel like you
get as are scared of most things,

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even honestly, even being in the
movie theater was a little scary for me.

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Okay, we had to walk out
of Jumanji. Okay, that's that's

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a scary movie. Okay, I
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would have been scary. It was, But I didn't watch a lot of

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movies. The TV girl, we
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I went to movies were a very
young huge constantly I said, I'm

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Claire, just that you said thank
you, but I want to make sure

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you heard me say. I don't
think we would have. I also miss

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heard that. I did see that
clear, because all she did was having

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to hang out the movie theater.
That's what johnestly. I like spooky things.

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We know, we know, we
know. I'm often friends with people

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who like spooky things. That's how
I've ended up seeing some spooky things,

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just trying to be included. And
now I have to watch this. Yeah

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all right, yeah, well,
if you're gonna not pussy out, but

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sure you can come hag well,
I can quietly close my eyes. I

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mean, it's not gonna bother you. You're not even gonna know. Sure.

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Anyway, we are mean book club. We read books that you tell

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us, uh you know, maybe
suck like they're New York Times bestsellers,

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but you don't understand why your book
club's reading them, and you really want

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us to rip on them. Uh
so uh as always be or your hosts.

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I'm Sarah Burton, what's up.
I'm Clara Morris, I'm Jonas Crabis,

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and I'm Sabrina. I that was
a hard one. Rhythm uh did

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not follow the group energy. I
heard it in my head. I'm gonna

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feel like I held in a sneeze, all right, So JOHNA, why

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why who recommended this? Why are
we reading? We're back to our friend

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Alessandra again because her recommendations are good
and she writes funny little snippets about why

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we could read, and they're just
catnipped to us. So there is what

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she had to say. I swear
I do not seek out bad books,

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but here we are. Please do
eleanor Olifan is completely fine. It is

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a pretty quick read and definitely mean
book club material. The main character is

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thirty, gross and therefore so old
and decrepit. She has a hard time

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navigating computers, bikini axes in ordering
a pizza without breaking a hip. She

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falls in love with a musician because
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she's also super shallow. She tries
to enter society and is thoroughly confused

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by everyday things. Would have simply
been impossible to avoid on this point.

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She's basically cosplaying as a human due
to some pretty awful trauma and abuse,

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and yet the book is marketed as
quote funny. I have a similar problem,

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Alessandra. I have a similar problem. Oh, just like to the

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character or to the So what she's
saying right here? Okay, I was

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told this was a funny book,
and then I would like it. Okay,

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incredible you had a way to interrupt
someone who's not even here. In

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fairness, she continues, I think
there was potential for a good book that

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is never fully realized. Kudos to
Gail Honeyman for making a character so pitiable

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and yet unlikable. I think as
a society we should look into why books

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written about abused women sell so fucking
well. But for now, I will

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just continue to recommend them to you
guys. So here we are at the

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end of her review. Now I
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like I was cheer hyping her up. Sure, I'm sure she enjoyed it.

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I'm sure she's like. I like
to think, Claire, that you

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were saying you just like relate so
much to Eleanor that you're really that was

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what you're saying. There was one
line I liked that Eleanor had. It

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was like, she makes horrendous jewelry
and sells it to idiots. Yeah,

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full time I read Eleanor, I
thought Clara would love this person, they

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would be friends. Really, you
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be a big point of relation for
you. Guys. Well, I don't

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dislike it in the way that she
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I don't understand how it's different.
You're gonna understand. And she has

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that little inner monologue. It's like
mean about people, but funny. It's

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like a little I guess I think
I'm a lot funnier. And okay,

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you're very very funny, thank you. Yeah, I won't be demonstrating that

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for a bit now because the pressure's
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shine. All right. So,
how did you guys all read this book?

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Library Audiobook Classic dittohdo? Okay?
Well, first of all, this

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was a pleasure read for me several
years ago. I believe I recommended it

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on this cast as a hey,
if you want to get away from the

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dribble we read, give this book
a try. I've also bought it for

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two separate people, so this was
a happy second read for me. Given

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this to people unpleasant, It's unpleasant. It's very funny and very good.

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It's unpleasant. It's a great book. I think everyone. I've really liked

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it. Yeah, that's right,
that's right. It's a great book.

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You like to read about the abuse, you know what, Sometimes bad things

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happen and that's a part of life. And that's okay. I wanted more

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abuse, to be honest. Sorry, you guys, I'm kidding, Sabrina.

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Would could you sum it up for
us? Sum it up? Okay?

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There are roles for everyone? Oh
joy, Okay, I just want

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you guys to claim who wants to
be about the same mummy? Okay,

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who wants to be eleanor? Okay? Too slowly? I tried to if

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people don't want to be her,
I can multiple people want to go.

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I got it. Oh yeah,
I said. I tried to give it

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to John because she had just lost
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I couldn't wait any longer. But
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the remaining two roles. The other
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I was gonna give it to you. Okay. It's just feeling benevolent

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today. That's very nice. Yeah, and I'll be Raymond any direction,

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Sabrina. I guess the one thing
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is not the same character both times, but the second one. First one

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is narrator setting the scene. Second
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and then I think your voiceover will
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to hear. Okay, perfect doing
on my petite shoulders. Yeah, we

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see Eleanor Oliphant. She's thirty years
old and playing, but has scars on

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her face. She has a devil
on her shoulder her mother, and an

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underdressed angel on their other shoulder,
her work friend Raymond. In the book,

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they are not literally angel and devil. It's just the vibes, you

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know. I am Eleanor Oliphant.
I work in accounts payable at a business.

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I don't have a computer of my
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SpongeBob SquarePants is. I like my
life, don't like your life. Epathetic

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little dub dub, you are not
worthy. Hey, Eleanor, you're okay?

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Do you want to come to a
family function with me? Thank you?

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I do think I'm okay. I
actually have a boyfriend now, but

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yes, I will go on a
series of dates with you. You do.

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Oh yeah, where did you meet
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worthless people's society. Do you have
information, mummy? We've not quite met

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yet. He's a famous musician.
I love his music, You pathetic little

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Please insert more money to continue this
prison call? And at all did you

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hear that you need to spend more
money to talk to me? Pay it?

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Pay it now? So what did
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Anyway? I don't know. I'm
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nothing to do with it. Honestly, maybe I should kill myself or maybe

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we could have lunch instead. No
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to have lunch with my friend.
I have a cat now. Also,

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I got promoted at work, even
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was the end of the line,
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As you can see, I don't
need you. I'm completely fine with that.

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Goodbye and scene beautiful. You are
aware this book was set in Scotland?

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Correct? Yeah? Who's the you
in that sentence? All of you?

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All of us? Okay Scottish accent? Give us? She wasn't Scottish.

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Character wasn't Scottish. I was eleanor
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Raymond's mom remarked Raymond. It was
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I forgot, okay, I I
think Sabrina your portrayal of Raymond was beautiful,

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Like honestly, I think one of
the best performances we've had on the

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cast. Wow, that's fine,
fun, understated, and yet it really

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I thought you played it twity.
Well you just said she did the accent

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wrong, so which is it?
Well, we would get a dialect coach

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for further rehearsals, but I didn't
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yeah, of course, man,
I wish I had remembered, Yeah,

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okay, you do, and then
my next line would be, also,

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would your mom do to get in
prison? Anyway? Last petty good,

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that was pretty good, thank you, And then my last line would have

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been, or maybe we could have
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giving the editor an option to splice
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I forgot the forgot the first line. Hey Eleanor, You're okay, I

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want to go to the family function
with me. We're really it's the whole

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time. Hey Eleanor, You're okay
you want to go to a family function

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with I? Just like that.
You're making decisions. I like, I

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like the directions you're going. Johnna. Do we have a Johnna's jugs for

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this one? Yeah? So we
got two things here. So first of

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all, you can actually, if
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if you haven't stopped listening to the
cast in Horror UH and had to gowd

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your ear drums after hearing that,
I would is that what you were?

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I was just talking. I was
just talking. It's okay. I can't

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have an opinion. Glenn's vodka,
which is what Eleanor drank, and it

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is manufactured by the lock LeMond Group, loch LeMond Group. It's Scottish,

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so you can go ahead and have
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The other thing I'm gonna recommend to
you, okay, is a little

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something called Buckfast. I got to
have when I was in Scotland and it's

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a whole lot of fun. Let
me tell you about Buckfast. You guys

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remember for Loco. Yeah, okay, this is worse. It is instead

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of uh, it has the energy
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wine instead, and it's banned from
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because too many people uh stab each
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on the buck fast to remember it
might be. I need to tell you

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something fun, which is when Scottish
people leave Scotland, they still want buck

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fast and there's a little app called
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now places that sell buck fast.
Wow. I would love if you were

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listening and you paired this episode with
a little Bucky. All right, that

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sounds disgusting. So all right,
you drink wine, you have your energy.

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Drink wine, take a few SIPs
and we'll be right back with more

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about the book and the author.
Br By, We're back. Hi,

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Jay, really dive it big and
desperate. Yes, okay, she just

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said hi. You said hi?
Okay. Eleanor Olaphant is the twenty seventeen

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debut novel by Gail Honeyman. It
won the Costa Debut Novel Award, which

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is basically a special award just for
people in the UK and Ireland. So

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it's like, even to be honest, it's not even real, Okay,

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it's nice. There's a special award
made up for like a very small special

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group of people. Okay, sack. May twenty seventeen. The film rates

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were optioned by Reese Witherspoon's company,
Hello Sunshine. Of course their hands all

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over these books. Yeah, I'm
reading it, I think, And it

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was announced it would be an MGM
picture, but I haven't heard anything else

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about it. But it was I
just want the Yeah. God. It

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was one of those where like it
sold at auction, there were a ton

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of bids and publishers as soon as
it sold, like the movie rights were

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acquired and things like that. It
was just or you know, as soon

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as it debuted. I believe it
was you know, big right out the

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gate bangers success. This is the
most updated. The information I have is

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from two years ago, So twenty
twenty two. Yeah, it says Fleabag

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director Harry Bradbeard to direct and Georgia
Pritchett is adapting. That's like, huh,

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but what's going on? You know, it's been I mean, I

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know movies moved slowly, but it
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not happening territorially. Maybe they started
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couldn't go on if you were sad. Also I just want to say,

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Georgia Pritchett, the one adapting,
Yeah, she was, Uh where does

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this information just go? She was
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Oh wow cool. I like that. Okay, pretty amazing shells. So

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that's pretty I'm into it now.
Okay, hope, I hope that happens.

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made you said, and I just
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that, because actually this book is
a genre called uplet up dash l I

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T, which means it is uplifting
literature. Yeah, it's designed to kind

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of make you happy. And there
is a theory that people were drawn to

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it because of how unhappy the world
is. What's the happening? I don't

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understand. I don't I don't agree
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that happy part, like your life
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that hurt like gets a little better
by the end. Is it the fact

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that she gets it gets I think
that's what Scottish people fingers uplifted. Well,

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she goes to therapy and that's like
really uplifting. I think there's a

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little bit of an updog thing going
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yes, absolutely So do you know
what I'm talking about? No, I

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don't. I don't remember. If
you're trying to get us to say some

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you're trying to make you want me
to I see you want me to say,

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what's up? Dog? Yeah?
I think I see you pee Jonah,

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I got it, I got it, all right. So it's not

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you know, I think there's the
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of Scottish people? Maybe? I
think they are generally pretty darkly funny group

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of people, so maybe this is
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When I look up up that it shows

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up and you know what else shows
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Well's I I think if this book
is so, is that? Yeah?

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But I don't understand the genre.
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right? Tell us about a Gale. Dale was born in Sterling, Scotland,

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and Sterling is a city in central
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of Edinburgh. The market town surrounded
by rich farmland. Let me get my

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map out citadel, the medieval old
town with its merchants and tradesmen, the

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old bridge of the port. I
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Don't you want to go? Don't
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Are you going in August? Are
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to the fringe? I don't know
if we're going to hit fringe. Just

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the time I trying to go,
my cousin was trying to convince me to

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come for fringe, and I was
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Well, I'm going to be there, Sarah, what's friend? Sounds like

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sounds like you're going to be missing
this well the very end, I'll be

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there. Maybe, Okay, something
to think about. We'll talk more about

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this off cast. Sure. He
is fifty two years old. She started

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writing professionally in her forties. As
you know, we go crazy for that

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ship. We're so happy. I'm
always a little skeptical. Yeah, what

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took you so long? Yeah,
I'm fine with it. I'm fine with

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it. I'm fine with it.
Okay. Now here's where this bio gets

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a little interesting. I think you
guys are going to be interested in this.

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So a couple of things are going
on. First of all, she

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has a second book coming out,
and to be fair, it's coming out

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December eighteenth, twenty twenty five.
It's currently called untitled Book two. All

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she has said about it so far
is it set in a different period and

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location, followed by I'll see what
happens. I guess. This really feels

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like this is a dog that has
caught the bumper situation where she does not

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have a second book. In an
absolute panic, she knows that a book

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is about to go on sale a
little over a year from to how and

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there is no book and she has
no idea what it's gonna be. It

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has a time period, it does
a spot in a time or it's maybe

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like a Georgia or Martin thing where
she's like, oh, was not expecting

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to be so popular, and then
like just as like, I'm gonna it's

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gonna take me a while I get
another one out of here. Maybe or

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could maybe it was a freaky Friday
situation. Somebody swapped into her body and

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wrote it, and then they swapped
back and now she yeah, thats like

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I've got to go back to that
same restaurant. I gotta go. We

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gotta have a lightning strike. Okay, here's the other thing. I So

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she seems to be, based on
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extremely mysterious person. So I want
to just read this quick excerpt from one

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of the very, very very few
interviews she did. Okay. She admits

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to having grown up in a village
in central Scotland, midway between Glasgow and

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Edinburgh, as listeners know, but
when pressed about her background or her personal

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life clams up. It takes a
mid interview phone call to her parents to

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reassure her that it's okay to mention
what they did for a living. Her

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mother was a civil servant and her
dad worked in a science lab. They

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are both retired. There was no
going on in the science lab, as

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my first thought. There was no
history of writing in the family, and

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when she describes how she came into
writing, she says, there really is

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no mystery. It's all very ordinary, which is an incredibly suspicious thing to

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say. Here's my question. Is
she autistic like her main character? I

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would say yeah. I mean the
way the author writes and gets into the

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mind of Eleanor, who is probably
on a spectrum. I know that it

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doesn't say that, yeah, but
it doesn't say that to read it in

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any other way. To me,
I agree, it does make you think

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like someone who can see the world
this uniquely and through this particular lens as

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an author, Like it did make
me wonder. I don't know. I'm

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saying she's mysterious and I think there's
more and we got to get to the

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bottom of it. I think she's
more like her character, maybe like without

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the horrible Like if her parents are
that, she probably doesn't have a horrible

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background. But I feel like she's
more like her character than are you dying

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to know more? What's the new
book? What are her secrets? Why

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doesn't you talk to anybody? She
doesn't like the pressure, she doesn't like

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the attention. Mm hmm, that's
what I'm getting. That's my guest.

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All right, all right, well
let's go into it more of an interest.

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But okay, it's fine, respector
privacy, respector privacy, that's really

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messing. I'm not interested. I
will say this book does like just because

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we just brought up man, we
just did uh the oo guy. It

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is weird the similarities between these two
books, with the whole like I don't

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know how computers work, and like
there's a oh yeah, it's just I

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don't know, I don't know what
else to say. We can come back

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to that. I don't know,
Maybe we need to talk a little bit

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more about the characters and stuff before
diving in. But yeah, truly,

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there were a lot of There were
so many parallels because Okay, in Uva,

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we have a main character who's a
lonely Okay, check, that's what

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we have with eleanor the things they're
better than everyone thinks they're better than everybody

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in sort of a defensive way.
Yeah. Yeah. Also, I think,

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oh, this was first person narrative, and that was like weird.

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Started everything with a man named Uba, but the vibe just felt the same.

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Computers. They both don't know what
a computer is. But I yeah,

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that was the Oh it's even But
that was weirder for me because I

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was like, actually that at the
beginning of this, because that's pretty early.

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It kind of pissed. That pissed
me off, and it took I

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was like, I need more because
at that point we didn't know anything about

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like, oh, she had a
weird past of abuse, Like we didn't

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know at that point, so it
was like I was like, why is

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she such an idiot? Like she's
not old like Ova least was older.

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Yeah, and it was earlier.
It was like twenty eleven. This was

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twenty seventeen. Like she should know
what the fuck a computer? Like it

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made me mad? How stupid?
Yeah, she was too much. Also,

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they both acquire a cat, they
both try to kill themselves. Yep,

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that's true. Okay, I just
feel like we're completely blowing past the

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comedy. It's like, it's not
that she doesn't know how to use these

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things, she's just chosen not to. She's happy reading her books and watching

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her show. And oh Johnah doesn't
like technology. So she's feeling intextually.

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I don't like feel like you have
to be so, but that's what I'm

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saying. I actually I feel like
eventually once you find out like more like

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her issues. I I just at
the time when it was happening, I

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thought, in my head, I
need to hear that she is the background

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where she used to be like amish
or something for me to be like by

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the into her character being so dumb. Read all these things and I'll do

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the choice to a shoe modern stupid
things like computers. I'm much happier if

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I didn't have a computer, but
you wouldn't order one. You wouldn't know,

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Like God, it's you didn't have
a computer already. Let me tell

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let me ask you this. How
many times has a book broken my ribs?

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Okay, how many times has a
phone broken my ribs? I think

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you're still blaming the wrong thing here. The jacket I think was too tight

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and on another tne I feel like, is the probably your biggest culprit that

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you wasn't wasn't it wasn't skiing the
jacket. This is I was on pa,

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but I was not sag. I
was standing. This is ridiculous balanced.

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Her phone was in her pocket and
she leaned over or stood up or

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something and it broke her ribs.
All through my last skime, I wasn't

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sing, Sarah, I was did
you handy on the skis are on?

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Then? I'm saying it was no, no, no. But this scenario

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is like if she was wearing a
bathing suit but was outside of the pool

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exactly, I'm not. I wouldn't
say I was round swimming. I would

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say I was in a bathing suit
and a bird came out of the sky.

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I mean that drowned me. I
don't think the analogy. I still

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maybe I shouldn't have been near.
Maybe shouldn't have been near the pool.

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Problem now I can't even now it's
what I was wearing is a problem.

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I think certainly that's my fault for
what I think the location. And oh

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yeah, I'll have to just be
more careful. I can't where I go.

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I guess, you know, in
the morning, Yeah, maybe don't

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go skik But look, I don't
even know what we were talking about related

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talking about how stupid technology is.
Oh my god, Okay, I don't

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whatever. For all the parallels to
the book Over, I hated that book

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more than any book I've ever read
that I can remember. And I did

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like this book. Yeah, I
also people said they liked this book.

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It made me feel like, wow, Over really could have been executed better.

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Yes, yeah, I give example
to readers about how funny Eleanor is.

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Yeah, could you? Yeah,
it's no trouble. Okay, here

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we go. So she's has to
text her new work friend. She goes.

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I steeled myself as best I could, and with teeth gritted, using

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only one finger, I typed,
see you there e. I sat back,

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feeling queasy. Illiterate communication was quicker. That was true, not by

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much. I'd save myself the trouble
of typing four whole characters. Still,

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it was part of my new credo, trying new things. I tried it,

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and I definitely did not like it. Hello could go and take a

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running jump? Yeah, so funny. So I think it's charming. I

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think it goes down easy. Yeah. And with Sabrina, Okay, what

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about this one? No thank you? I said, I don't want to

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accept a drink from you because then
I would be obliged to purchase one for

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you in return, and I'm afraid
I'm simply not interested in spending two drinks

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worth of time. Yes, And
that's to me again, why I'm like

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this. She's autistic with it,
but it's like, that's funny because you're

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like, who would be in this
social situation be so another thing that she

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said that I think maybe JOHNA would
characterize as funny. It's just based on

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the examples you've given reading a book
and has a dog in it, and

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she says book can never have too
much dog. That's so relatable. Yeah,

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although she had a lot of not
relatable things. When you talked about

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food, and I think that's sure. How about this one? I had

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no idea how to respond and opted
for a smile, which serves me well

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on most occasions. Though it's not
something to do with death or illness.

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I know that now, so funny. Wait, I got another one.

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I can't remember who's talking to.
I think maybe it's like Raymond's mom and

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they found out she was sick and
she was like, I asked a follow

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up question, not because I was
interested, but because that's what you do.

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Yeah, that was good. Okay, Okay, look we're moving the

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needle on claricy I know. And
I like that one, I said,

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But she's like, she makes bed
jewelry stills a idiots. Yeah. See,

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I think this is a you know, versal like uh oh no no

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no no no no no no,
no, no no no, no sloid

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death Alessandra, Look, you got
out over your skis on this book.

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Okay, you said it. How
what happened when you hear your ribs?

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Well in a way, I imagine
you were standing at the top of the

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hill I was. I just did
not fall. I did not make a

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skiing error. My phone effectively reached
out of the jacket pocket lodged itself between

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my ribs and Donna. You will
never I just I mean, I wish

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I could have been in the room
with you when you explained what to the

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doctor what you think happened? What
did the doctor say, like, oh,

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typical, oh, skier skiing.
But it wasn't not the related the

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scheme. It was. Yeah,
I was helping. I was hoping the

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doctor pa by the way, Okay, I was hoping that he was a

405
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skier because I wanted him to understand
when you get up from the chair lift

406
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.119
that there is a surge of a
sort of violent thrust that you must do

407
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:10.760
to stand. Okay, So it
is no absolutely standing. I was literally

408
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.159
standing up. I was not skiing, okay, but it was a special

409
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.320
kind of standing up you would only
do on a ski lift. It's like

410
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:21.800
this is actually to your swimming thing. It's like it is though like you

411
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.360
were, like, well, when
I dove into the water, my goggles

412
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:29.360
hit me in the face. It's
like you were that's still swimming? Next?

413
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.840
Was I, Sarah? Was I
diving or was I swimming? Still

414
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:37.280
swimming next? Okay, Well,
it's the analogy is bad. No one

415
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:45.840
is killing it works. It makes
sense to me. Swear it more like

416
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:50.679
if I was getting up onto the
diving block to perform in my relay race

417
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:54.400
and I slipped off the diving block
because the diving block was faulty the diving

418
00:35:54.719 --> 00:36:00.760
itself. So you you looked the
phone as faulty as that, or the

419
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.679
chair replacement on the coat was the
problem, to be honest, it shouldn't

420
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.880
have been there. It wasn't a
safe place to have a pocket. They

421
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:14.719
could fit a phone, you know
what. It's women's clothing to have less

422
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:23.360
having a hard time not why the
standing up, I'm like, had sort

423
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:28.920
of pokes you. I don't,
doesn't it kind of it became it went

424
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:35.159
from being a vertical phone to a
phone that was horizontal parallel to I would

425
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:40.079
guess is that you actually probably did
it prior to whatever this happened, and

426
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:45.000
it wasn't until you stood up that
you actually felt the pain. No,

427
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:52.039
you could not be more wrong.
I'm sure. I'm actually so confident that

428
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:58.400
you weren't there. I know,
but from just listening to what happened,

429
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:02.039
it doesn't make sense. Non.
I wish I could have been your doctor,

430
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.960
because I got it. I know
you do. I know you got

431
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.840
it. You have a rib broken
from a phone in your pocket. No,

432
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:13.440
I was there. I like,
know what she's saying. Half it?

433
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.920
Yeah, and you show me I
can Yeah. Okay, you're a

434
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:22.760
body your phone is like this.
You are okay, it's not gonna be

435
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:32.079
great for the cast to show you
lean a leaan forward and then you thrust

436
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:36.719
up with momentum. And what happened
was the phone, in that moment of

437
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.000
leaning forward, put itself right into
my ribs, and then when I thrust

438
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:46.000
it up with momentum, it went
in between and broke a rib and it

439
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:50.920
broke a rip. Okay, interesting, Has this the first time you had

440
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:53.480
had the phone in that place and
worn that was, Sarah? Yes,

441
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:58.599
it was because I wanted to make
sure that Dan, who was separated from

442
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:05.800
the group, was contacted by us
as needed. So so usually you put

443
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:08.000
the phone somewhere else. Usually I
put it in my thigh pocket where it's

444
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:14.039
safe in the event of a very
unlikely fall. That way, if I

445
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.119
get hurt, it's not pressing up
against my ribs and my organs of my

446
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:21.039
body. It's down your heavy,
heavy thighre. Now I'm hearing that you

447
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:25.000
already knew it was a risk and
it was a risk you took. It

448
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:29.920
was was wrong. The coat was
wrong. It should it should be okay

449
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:36.280
in a coat pocket coat was wrong. Not me. All right, that's

450
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.760
fine. But I think the fact
that it was a special ski lists move

451
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.599
makes it a skiing injury. It
doesn't mean you did something wrong or that

452
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.239
you're I'm not We're not calling you
a bad skier. If that's what your

453
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:54.079
your defense, which is I'm sure
that it's what no one's calling It's more.

454
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.039
Yeah, it's the it's the language
we're talking about skiing in. Or

455
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:06.199
maybe it's not safe. Oh you
broke your rib skiing. No, absolutely,

456
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:16.599
everyone knows that that's not a it's
not a surprising thing anyway. The

457
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:22.480
book is funny, very funny.
So Eleanor we meet her. She doesn't

458
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:29.760
have any friends, she's very weird
h her. It starts out she sees

459
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:35.199
this guy who She's like, this
is this is uh? This guy he's

460
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:38.599
amazed. This was confusing and it
made me made and it made me feel

461
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:45.000
like I missed something in the book
because it was like lonely, lonely,

462
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:47.440
lonely. I don't talk to anybody, I don't speak on the weekends.

463
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:51.360
I went to a concert with somebody
from work, and I fell in love

464
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.440
with the guy, and the concerts
like what the fuck? Wait? Well,

465
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:58.519
I think it goes to show what
a special occasion the concert was.

466
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.480
And you know, she doesn't normally
go to these things. She doesn't understand

467
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:10.119
that there is a performer audience boundary. Yes, I needed more. I

468
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:15.320
needed more into or maybe I did
miss something because I was done an audiobook

469
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:20.239
and I won't rewind. But I
felt like I needed more explanation for why

470
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:23.079
she was at a concert with someone
all of a sudden. I mean,

471
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:28.480
I don't think it was just like
a yeah, I didn't she win it?

472
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:30.000
Didn't she like win it for the
radio? And then she just like

473
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.480
brought the youngest guy. Right,
But that seems like a lot to go

474
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.360
from never speaking to anyone to inviting
someone to go to college. But I

475
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:42.719
don't think she has social anxiety.
I don't think that's her issue. I

476
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.199
think she's autistic. I think it's
just like she doesn't do a social direction

477
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:53.079
that I don't think it's h Yeah, I don't think that's her issue.

478
00:40:53.840 --> 00:41:00.519
But she yeah, anyway, so
she's like, I'm this is the guy,

479
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.360
he's the one for me, which
is obviously like to us the reader

480
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:07.519
being like, Okay, she's off
her rocker. Something's really messed up here,

481
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.440
and she thinks this is the one
that like her mom will approve of

482
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:17.239
or whatever, and she does some
creepy things like eventually looks up where he

483
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:22.760
lives, and like she gets the
computer because she wants to stalk him,

484
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:27.639
and then she does. And at
that point the book I was like,

485
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:30.400
actually, I kind of like would
have like I don't know. I keep

486
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:34.920
thinking about this and like, would
I like this book better? The book

487
00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.400
that I thought was happening at that
point, which was like her mother is

488
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:42.639
like I thought maybe her mother was
like because we don't know the deal with

489
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:45.440
her mother at that point, and
I thought, oh, except for that,

490
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:52.199
she's like crazy and not and mean
and not with and in some sort

491
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:59.079
of home or like just not Eleanor
has weekly phone calls with her They say

492
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.480
so uh. In my head,
I thought at that point that she was

493
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:07.239
like in a prison or an insane
asylum. And I was like, oh,

494
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.079
so is Eleanor is it going to
be her like struggling with becoming as

495
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:15.280
insane as her mother? And I
thought she was I thought that was just

496
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:20.639
the start of her being creepy freak, but she doesn't do anything else.

497
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:24.079
I would say that rose to the
level of stalker. Is what she did

498
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:28.360
or naw on when she showed up
to his house and rang the doorbell and

499
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.880
then she like sat outsize door listened
to him. Look right right right,

500
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:36.800
I'm saying. After that she does
is go to a concert and it's like,

501
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:42.639
yeah, it's not that bad.
Something that like wasn't didn't necessarily click

502
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:46.880
for me, is like okay.
So honestly, when she like delusionally started

503
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:52.000
loving the singer, that's when I
took a turn on the book. I

504
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.519
was like, my notes are like
this is so like, oh oh my

505
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:58.320
god, I hate it. And
then I was like, okay, of

506
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:00.960
how delusional she is, I did
like you, That's what I was like.

507
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:04.320
It's very dark, and I was
like, ooh, this is exciting,

508
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:07.360
this is interesting. I did like
it. But then she just like

509
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:15.639
later realizes that she's being crazy,
and that didn't feel like what that character

510
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:23.519
would do given the like obsession,
you needed a step in between. Yeah,

511
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:30.719
maybe something with the mom and realizing
the similarities or something. Yeah,

512
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.719
I wanted her to I wanted her
to take it farther and then like it,

513
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:38.400
because it's just like she never because
what she does is later towards the

514
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:42.800
as much later the book, she
like goes to the concert and like he

515
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:46.880
doesn't look at her, and she's
like realizes she doesn't even like him or

516
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:51.320
the music, and it's just like, oh, I was wrong, I

517
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.360
was being crazy. It did seem
too easy, Yeah, that realization.

518
00:43:55.559 --> 00:44:00.519
Yeah. Well, he also,
I think, does something disgusting on stage,

519
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:04.639
not disgusting, but disgusting to her, Like he like, yeah,

520
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.440
shows his butt. Yeah that's not
it. I don't know why that I'm

521
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.159
saying that sounds right, okay,
and you know, to her that's just

522
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.000
so grotesque. So I think it's
partly that she loses the crush just because

523
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:19.159
she's like, oh, he's not
the man I thought he was. Which

524
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.880
a similar experience at a concert.
Yeah, I was Matt, and I

525
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:28.119
saw this artist in perform at the
Stone Pony in Aspbury Park, and I

526
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.280
was like, his songs are so
beautiful and romantic and deep and just like

527
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:36.400
heartbreaking. And then he was there
and he was really drunk and he was

528
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:43.239
just so into telling his own stories. Sad oh yeah, I don't like

529
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:47.000
that. Yeah, that can happen. But you also weren't stalking him previously,

530
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:55.480
so you were you were making some
very dangerous assumptions. All right,

531
00:44:55.519 --> 00:45:01.440
maybe you were, but anyway,
all right, that's happening. So and

532
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:05.239
then and while she's doing that,
she's like, I'm trying to make over

533
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.239
myself to make before she has her
big meeting with this guy that she's now

534
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:12.880
the singer that she's obsessed with.
So she does some things like she gets

535
00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:15.480
a wax, which is what I
said. I hated the waxing scene.

536
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.360
I was like, you know,
because it's just like I don't like,

537
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.159
I'm not a fan of Like I
don't know how things work. Yeah,

538
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.400
and I feel like I I'm supposed
to be funny, but it wasn't funny,

539
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:29.239
right, So that's why I mean, I didn't I didn't feel like

540
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:32.599
I was like behind I got was
behind her weird choices until I knew like

541
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:37.840
a little bit more about her past. I wish they had like del that

542
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:44.079
had been talked about, or they
gave us that information earlier, because then

543
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:46.679
I would have been more on board
with her and her reactions to things.

544
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:52.400
I don't know. Yeah, I
mean it's like hard because it's like a

545
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:58.760
nice to get as a reveal.
But yeah, I was annoyed at her

546
00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:00.679
at first, and then I was
like, Okay, fine, yeah,

547
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:04.880
I guess I will give you that. It does feel lazy to have characters

548
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:07.480
that just don't know something, because
some of the other writing in this book

549
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.199
was more inspired, Like it's like, she has a funny take, I

550
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:13.719
put kill your take on this.
Yeah, some stuff she really knew,

551
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:16.920
like yeah, like food and yeah, she seemed very smart in some ways.

552
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:22.880
So that's what it was. Like. I'm thinking about her relationships,

553
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:28.800
and so I was shocked to find
that she had previously been sleeping with somebody.

554
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:34.960
Yeah, it's like talking. Yeah, and then she was like talking

555
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:39.199
to Raymond about how that ended.
I can't remember, but she was like,

556
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:44.360
well, you know, even though
we didn't go on dates, we

557
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:47.880
did get to have sex, and
that's better than just getting raped. Oh

558
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.119
yeah, And Raymond was like,
you know those are not the only two

559
00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:59.039
options. Yeah, I think we
need to talk about Raymond. But wait,

560
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.880
let's take it a quickmmercial break and
then we'll, uh, we gotta

561
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.679
get we haven't given the background,
so let's do it. B RB,

562
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.119
we're back. Does somebody want to
break down Raymond? Nobody want to do

563
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:30.400
an Okay, you'll have to help
me fill some things in. But essentially

564
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:36.559
he works with her and he's an
it guy. New coworker too, new

565
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:40.519
coworker. Oh yeah, she knows
so little about computer is that she didn't

566
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:45.480
know that the old it guy had
left months ago. Anyway, that's fine,

567
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:54.559
but some reason he and her call
an ambulance or something because some guy's

568
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:59.079
sick. So they like form this. They see somebody faint in the street,

569
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.000
okay, as they're like leaving work, right, yeah, and they

570
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:07.320
both help him and they help him
and then he saves his life is saved,

571
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:13.239
and Raymond calls her from the hospital. He's like, oh, I

572
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:15.239
thought you'd want to see he's away
because he was in a coma. And

573
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:19.440
then they're like, oh, so
excited. And then he's like, oh,

574
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.800
we should go have a beer together, and she's like, I guess

575
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:28.000
never really been to a bar,
but I could do that, and like

576
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:31.679
they go and this is where they
start their friendship. And it's really interesting

577
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:35.199
because she's like, what if people
order at bars? What if people order

578
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.880
at bars? Oh my god,
He's gonna ask me what I want.

579
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:42.440
Anyway, they like have their little
drinks and then they just like keep hanging

580
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.880
out and it seems like a cute
little romance could be developed. Yes,

581
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:52.199
yes, I agree. They go
to his aunt's house to do something.

582
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:58.800
She invites him to something. Then
he invites her over and she meets his

583
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.079
mom. Yeah, and the mom's
like really nice, and it's like they

584
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:06.360
get along so well. It's really
sweet. I also at this point was

585
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:09.079
like, this is moving towards this
is because then people would think they're a

586
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:10.960
couple, and then she would always
be like, oh no, no,

587
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:15.440
no, I've already got somebody.
I just haven't met him yet, or

588
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.840
like you know, funny things like
that. But it was like, oh

589
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:24.079
no, she's gonna have to She's
going to realize at some point that Raymond's

590
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:28.880
better than Yeah, yeah, she'd
be going for et cetera. But that

591
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:35.760
didn't really didn't happen. Yeah,
he might have been to do it,

592
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.920
but I don't know why he wants
to be friends with her. She's not

593
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:45.679
that nice to him. More fun
yeah for him. They meet up,

594
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:51.480
She's always like in her head,
he's dressed like shit, why would he

595
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.519
pick that? Kreddy ass out.
But yeah, I don't really know why

596
00:49:55.519 --> 00:50:00.360
he brought her to his mom's house. I feel like, I guess because

597
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.800
I feel like when he talked to
he's like a really sweet, sincere person,

598
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.119
and I think he talked about like
having an old relationship with a woman

599
00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.760
cheated on him, and I think
he probably's attracted to how like Elmo is

600
00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:14.119
just like Larry Blunt, and she's
like this is what she is, is

601
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:19.159
what she says is, and like, uh, she sees the world a

602
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.400
little differently. But I don't know. I I bought them at least being

603
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:29.360
friends, I guess. But you
know I wanted I wanted them to be

604
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:34.039
I wanted it ending with them,
to be romantically involved. I just me

605
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:40.920
too. I wanted a lot of
nicer things you wanted more than nice life.

606
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.480
I still want her to have a
nicer life. Yeah, No,

607
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:51.840
she's very It was very sad.
Her situation was sad, but I liked

608
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:53.199
I liked the dark stuff. That's
what it's like. I could have had

609
00:50:53.199 --> 00:51:01.199
this book be even darker. To
be quite honest, I'm not comin's that's

610
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:12.559
very brave. But yeah, so
it's to parallel Eleanor doing these weird stalker

611
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:19.000
things with her, and a burgeoning
friendship with Raymond is kind of happening up

612
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:23.400
to the point where eleanor Uh she
goes to the concert, has the realization

613
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:27.440
that this man isn't for her.
Then she just starts getting drunk on vodka

614
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:31.039
and is like gonna try to kill
herself. She's missing work, which she

615
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:37.400
never does. And did you relate
to that, Johnah, that sounded like

616
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:42.280
you when they were talking about someone
who never misses work. No, no,

617
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:47.880
no, I miss fork, never
depends on the job. Well,

618
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:54.760
uh yeah. So basically Raymond saves
her life. Somebody want to take over

619
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:01.840
you got it? I feel like
I'm just rambling about, like what happened?

620
00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:06.000
What happened? I mean, I'd
like to do that's that is?

621
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:09.320
You know. I think she struggles
with obviously mental health issues. She yet

622
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:13.599
decides, like Sarah said, she's
gonna take her life, prepares to do

623
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:19.400
so, Raymond saves her, and
it's ultimately like this really interesting redeeming story

624
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.480
about it's not a love story,
but it's a friendship story of how like

625
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.639
we all need something in our lives, Like you can't just go home from

626
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:30.400
work on Friday and not see anyone
until Monday. I actually already knew that

627
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:36.360
already, actually already. But maybe
it's asking you to reach out to someone

628
00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:38.440
who doesn't know that. Oh,
is that what it wanted me to do?

629
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:42.960
Because that's not something I'm not going
to do that. I'm not going

630
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:47.920
to be the Raymond he has not
described flatteringly. Okay, so Sabrina and

631
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.360
I both have to do two people. Now that's the bok. Look,

632
00:52:55.480 --> 00:53:00.079
we could take them on a groupie. Let's talk about the reveals from the

633
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.800
therapy, right, because I feel
like I'm getting that maybe we took away

634
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:07.599
different things from the reveals? Is
that my Am I wrong here? From

635
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:14.239
the summary? I was like,
just is Sabrina not revealing what happened?

636
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:19.400
Or do we did I? Okay, okay, okay, okay. I

637
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.119
wasn't sure whether I was like,
did I interpret something wrong? Because I

638
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:27.400
was really speedy to finish this book. So it's fair, okay, giving

639
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:35.800
the mom died in the fire?
Yes, so oh no you don't think

640
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:40.840
so, Sabrina? Maybe? Wait, yeah I didn't. So good,

641
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:45.760
this is good. This is good. It wasn't that it wasn't like one

642
00:53:45.800 --> 00:53:47.920
hundred percent clear I don't know.
I was listening on three time speed.

643
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.480
I was doing a lot of other
things. I think it's pretty clear mom

644
00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:58.039
that Eleanor has been talking to this
whole time in the book every Wednesday night.

645
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:04.719
Isn't real. It's like the in
her head and mom, uh set

646
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:07.800
the house on fire wood. Eleanor
and her sister were children, and mom

647
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:13.159
and sister died in the house.
Okay, I thought just sister. I

648
00:54:13.199 --> 00:54:15.599
thought, just sister as well,
Mom as well. And so this whole

649
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:20.880
kind of journey for Eleanor has been
to this voice in her head, this

650
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:24.760
negative voice is just her own,
but it's from her childhood trauma. Wow.

651
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.760
The devil on the shoulder was perhaps
even more apt than I. And

652
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:37.039
that's from this house. I am
like that. I am confidently. You

653
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.480
were like, no, I know
the ending. I was just I obscured

654
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:46.480
it in the summer. Wow.
No, all right, Well, I

655
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:51.000
mean I don't know. I thought
maybe it was like I was not one

656
00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:54.159
hundred confidence. So I thought I
was having trouble piecing together because she like

657
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:59.840
said that her name was changed after
it and everything, So I was like,

658
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:05.400
did they put her in witness protection? And but then she still found

659
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.400
her mom. I was like,
how how she not like violating her protections?

660
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:14.280
And there was a part where she
told the social worker she still talks

661
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:19.800
with the momb and the social work
surprised. Yeah, they were like,

662
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:25.559
what, which makes sense if your
mom burned up? Sister. Sure,

663
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:30.880
sure, I see the book is
creeping up and up in everybody's estimation.

664
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:39.360
I did not like and I think
that the audiobook probably the Witch like I

665
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:44.320
was really witch it was which I
didn't like it. I was like,

666
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:50.239
this is very unpleasant to hear,
just upsetting me. I don't like what

667
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.760
was saying to Eleanor. I don't
like how she's saying it. I don't

668
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.400
want this in my life. But
it made me want her. It made

669
00:55:55.400 --> 00:56:00.960
me want Eleanor to be witchier,
like have more of a WHICHY sighed to

670
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:07.559
her that I don't know, didn't
really seem to happen with I don't know,

671
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:12.360
I maybe expect more of a specific
but I guess she I mean,

672
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.039
I guess it was her struggling because
in the end it was her doing the

673
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:25.800
voice in her head essentially right.
But yeah, so again UPLT. There

674
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:30.639
was not like the happy ending.
It was just that she was able to

675
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:35.000
admit what happened in her past to
a therapy. Her life is better now,

676
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:39.079
her colleagues at work understand her more. D helped her bridge the gas,

677
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:45.840
and she got a haircut, and
she, as she herself professes,

678
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:50.400
she realizes people like you when you
rotate the clothes that you wear. It

679
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:55.960
was very astute. I also have
a bone to pick with how this book

680
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:02.840
portrayed normal people like me being so
mean and cruel like her coworkers were so

681
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:08.159
mean to her, laughing at her
in the open because she has egzema or

682
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:15.800
something. That's not a fair way
to describe us. Mh, Well,

683
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:21.920
so so she didn't you want to
be a Raymond then no, No,

684
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.760
I'm one of the cool people.
Work with friends. You are is a

685
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:30.960
bully to you. The cool people
are the people that make fun of Eleanor

686
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:42.039
as they described like the masses.
The normal masses were described as a little

687
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:46.960
bit like it was a cartoonish.
Yeah, it was roll doll esque cruel.

688
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:54.639
Yeah, they were pretty cool,
speaking of uh, roll doll Clara,

689
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:59.880
very good, a little roll doll
reference. We're talking about them earlier.

690
00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:01.800
Yeah, but I thought you didn't
understand. I thought we didn't know.

691
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:05.360
I didn't even know you would have
known that. Well, that's what

692
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:10.719
scared me off. All the beginnings
of the books overly cruel to the children,

693
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:14.719
the same Your story is not adding
up. Okay, I don't think.

694
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:23.519
I think it's just explain it all
right, Well, did you have

695
00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:29.039
any anything else we want to get
into this book? I guess you would

696
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:32.360
have liked. What are issues?
Let's go back to what Alisaders said.

697
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:36.920
I have no issues. I mean, what can I say? I loved

698
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:37.760
the book. I loved it so
much. It's one of the few books

699
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:42.239
that were made on my bookshelf.
Now, I may have thrown it away

700
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:45.400
eventually because I really have a problem. I have a problem. I need

701
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:51.480
to get help. But it did
remain on my bookshelf for a good long

702
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:57.639
time. You're okay, okay,
yeah, okay, Yeah. I throw

703
00:58:57.639 --> 00:59:00.280
a lot of stuff away, though, Like the reason I was in the

704
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:05.480
jacket that hurt me was because I
had thrown my ski jacket away. You

705
00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.320
mean giving it away, right,
yeah? Yeah, yeah, I do.

706
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:13.519
You mean it took to a good
will but but yeah, I mean

707
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.280
ultimately, you know, I got
rid of something I used multiple times a

708
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:22.039
year every year for no reason.
Okay, well, now someone has a

709
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.400
nice ski jacket, jacket that won't
ever hurt them. Did you mean to

710
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:30.400
leave a note in the pocket to
tell them? She kept She kept the

711
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:32.599
quote that hurt her, I believe, but that hurt me is still here.

712
00:59:32.840 --> 00:59:37.039
The problem is I got rid of
the the ski coat. Oh okay,

713
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:44.280
all right. Anyway, Alice Siders
says, uh, whatever criticisms,

714
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:49.679
was like, uh, oh,
she's super shallow about the musician and like

715
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:53.559
she and I guess like Raymond.
She's like mean about what way Raymond looks

716
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.320
and stuff like that. But I
don't think it's to me. It's not

717
00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:00.840
so much shallow. I feel like
that's more to me her being on the

718
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.760
spectrum and like being very like these
are the rules and like some of the

719
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:08.320
rules of life were introduced to her
by her mother, like expectations, and

720
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:13.719
so she's like, these people aren't
this is someone who is fitting into the

721
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:17.400
expectation or the rules, and this
is someone who's really so the smokings and

722
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:21.159
no, no, this is you
know that's I read it more like that,

723
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:24.599
not that she was shallow. It
was just it just seems like very

724
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:28.840
similar to Ova, you know,
even what you're saying, now, these

725
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:32.920
are the rules, you have to
follow them. Yeah. And then that

726
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:36.800
reminded me of another similarity, which
is, like, I guess she put

727
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:40.639
it as her mother really scorned overweight
people. But that was oh, yeah,

728
01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:44.800
you're right. They both did have
that the Ova book. Oh yeah,

729
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:50.000
same book. Yeah, same book. Basically weird. It is a

730
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:54.119
lot there are a lot of similarities
between them. Wof weird. Yeah,

731
01:00:54.599 --> 01:01:00.599
I got we're the first people to
notice that. Should we been writing in

732
01:01:00.960 --> 01:01:08.440
journals writing, Clara, not to
put a damper in that, but neither

733
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:22.000
you nor I caught that. The
mother who was I don't know, I

734
01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:24.800
don't know, I don't know.
But write your journal articles, I said,

735
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:29.400
we Johnna, you were included?
Oh really? Oh my god.

736
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:40.400
Okay, whose name goes first?
I'm gonna go alphabetical first names is more

737
01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:45.840
fair? Sure? All right?
I feel like we just took a commercial

738
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:51.360
break, so we're not ready to
But let's wrap this baby up. Let's

739
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:55.599
put up so that people the sooner
we finished this podcast, as sooner people

740
01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:00.280
could start reading this excellent, wonderful
book, such a good book. Let's

741
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:05.000
just put a warning in there,
A little bit sad and scary. It's

742
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:08.920
a little bit uplet. So I
like my friend, my old roommate Joe,

743
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:15.840
who was on the podcast with her
book while back. She's recommended this

744
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:19.079
to me years ago, thinking I
would like it, and I'm just like,

745
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:24.559
wow, she thought I was so
brave. Yeah, I really thought

746
01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:28.480
you were going to be on my
side. Clara, with all her little

747
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:32.119
funny things, she thinks and says, uh, man, I was like,

748
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:36.599
this person would be me and Claire's
friend for sure, And now I

749
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:39.039
find out you're one of the bullies. You're one of people. I was

750
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:44.599
laughing at her at work. If
it would help me fit in, absolutely

751
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:50.440
should do a little good Reads.
Yeah, let's do good Reads. It's

752
01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:52.599
kind of I almost feel like we
should be not doing five steviews for this

753
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.039
one, but all we'll just do
it. I agree, because it's been

754
01:02:55.119 --> 01:03:00.559
so overwhelmingly positive on the cast.
Here's Matthew, same Matthew five stars.

755
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:06.760
He goes. Eleanor Olivhon is not
completely fine, well, at least not

756
01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:13.320
at first. This book is a
fantastic character study. The journey with quirky

757
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:16.480
Eleanor through the past and present is
bizarre at times, thought provoking at others,

758
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:21.760
but I found it engaging no matter
what. What a such a fun

759
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.440
ride. You know, when I
sat down to write this, I thought

760
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:28.400
I was gonna get go four stars. But in writing the paragraphs above,

761
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:30.239
I was thinking about the uniqueness of
the story and how gaged I was.

762
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:37.519
I'm gonna give it five, give
it a try. I love the mid

763
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:43.480
review. Yeah, you gotta change
it, you gotta change it up.

764
01:03:44.559 --> 01:03:47.800
No, there's a lot of people
being like, thank you eleanor Oliphant,

765
01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:51.760
Thank you for picking me up out
of my reading slump. Thank you for

766
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:54.440
being funny, sad, smart,
blunt, hell, yeah sad. Oh,

767
01:03:54.559 --> 01:04:00.199
thanks for being sad. Okay,
I can get that anywhere. Thank

768
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.079
you for enriching my own personal vocab. My kindled dictionary has never had such

769
01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:10.760
a workout. She does do crosswords
admitting stupidity on the internet. Interesting.

770
01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:14.400
Oh, here's this is interesting because
it's the same person, Jules. She

771
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:18.280
says, my black black Heart doesn't
always have to read about murders and mysteries.

772
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:21.039
I love a feel good story as
much as the next guy. I

773
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:25.320
just needed to be the right kind
of writing, the right kind of character.

774
01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:28.440
I have to admit I wasn't a
huge fan of a man called Uva

775
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:30.639
Uba did not strike me as a
real person. He felt artificial and a

776
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:34.239
bit contrived. Made up. Eleanor, on the other hand, is real.

777
01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:40.960
Five stars. That's interesting. I
think I maybe did also feel that

778
01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:46.320
way, like I believed. Yeah, I think that's fair. Actually,

779
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:51.559
when she says Uva feels contrived,
Eleanor didn't feel as contrived. But honestly,

780
01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:56.119
that maybe made it worse for me. It's like, I feel so

781
01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:02.239
bad for her and she comes back. It's just a correct character. Not

782
01:05:03.079 --> 01:05:08.519
really, it's not that great that
she's at a job. She's like,

783
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:13.840
she likes people appreciate her more,
they understand her more, everybody. She's

784
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:16.880
going up a little bit what I
wanted to I did want after that kind

785
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:20.719
of scary ship one. Yeah,
can I get a fucking fairy tale ending?

786
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:26.079
Yez, I would. I would
have liked a little bit more.

787
01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.719
That was uplet is still funny to
me. It's very that's misleading, all

788
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:36.480
right, Okay, So do you
guys want to do our Yeah? Yes,

789
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:44.559
I go first two out of five. The writing's not terrible, but

790
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:49.880
it's too scary. Two five too
scary, scary, too scary. Obviously,

791
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:54.280
happy to go next. I absolutely
love this book. I would recommend

792
01:05:54.320 --> 01:06:00.760
it to anyone. It's a bookshelf
keeper, a joy tory, start to

793
01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:05.719
finish, love eleanor love the voice
of the narrator, want to know more

794
01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:13.360
about her? What a mystery,
Gail Honeyman five, Johna, just if

795
01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:15.920
you would recommend it to anyone,
just give them a little give them a

796
01:06:15.960 --> 01:06:18.960
little asterix which is like, it's
a little bit scary. It's a little

797
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:24.480
bit scary. Okay, got it. I'm gonna give this one a four

798
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:29.320
out of five. I also,
I did really like it. I think

799
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:33.320
for me, I could have been
it could have been darker, I could

800
01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:36.000
have been scary. I could have
I would have liked some more scary.

801
01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:43.239
I would have liked to see some
more stalking. That's just that's just me.

802
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:47.239
That's how I feel, So four
out of five. I will also

803
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:55.239
give it a four out of five. I I was not loving it the

804
01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:59.280
first like ten to fifteen percent,
when all I could feel were the parallels

805
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:01.199
to Ova. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. It was really bringing

806
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:08.960
up that trauma for me. But
once once I turned the corner and like,

807
01:07:09.079 --> 01:07:12.920
I enjoyed it. I I mean, we're making fun of Johnna for

808
01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:15.639
saying like all those things were funny. I still don't think that they were

809
01:07:16.480 --> 01:07:25.519
necessarily funny, but they were certainly
enjoyable to read, and I enjoyed reading

810
01:07:25.639 --> 01:07:29.519
them. I mean yeah, but
of course it's not the secret. So

811
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:36.559
right right, sure, sure,
all right, it's time. It's time,

812
01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:43.400
JOHNA. We've disagreed a lot,
but your strawberries are still staying with

813
01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:47.559
me, so we lied. Yeah, yeah, that's right. So it's

814
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:56.920
just a small price to pay for
undying loyalty. It feels good, glad,

815
01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:00.079
it feels good. M Yeah,
Okay, I cast my vote.

816
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:04.239
I'm going to cast my vote.
Okay, I'm nervous. Actually, she

817
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:09.880
seems like she's hesitant to do it. No, I'm not. Oh,

818
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:18.479
okay, okay, my vote is
going to be for Clara because so my

819
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:24.960
vote, I think John and I
had very good vibe. My vote should

820
01:08:25.039 --> 01:08:34.159
never have been for Johanna, but
Clara should have a little She called you

821
01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:42.800
a bully. Remember she apologized to
the readers if they've bombed the Scottish listeners

822
01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:48.239
listening to us. Okay, you
know your vote should have been for Jonna,

823
01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:55.119
but you have to take into considering
you. I can't right exactly because

824
01:08:55.640 --> 01:09:06.760
you're a fat cat who accepts bribes
ridiculous punching up. I get it intended,

825
01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:16.479
but fun side effect of is getting
tragged for it. Yeah, hmmm

826
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:23.680
mmmmm, well, I guess I
just have the say I'm glad Johanas having

827
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:28.000
fun. Yeah, thank you.
I know who my asshole is and it's

828
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:32.000
Sarah. And here's why, you
know, I dropped these breadcrumbs at the

829
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:35.439
beginning of the cast. Oh what
this author is such a mystery, you

830
01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:42.079
know. I really thought Sarah would
latch onto that and start clicking away on

831
01:09:42.159 --> 01:09:45.239
her computer like she likes to do, doing doing all of her little reading

832
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:50.239
and her little looking on. And
she didn't. She didn't take the bait

833
01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:56.279
at all. So I was left
there, just hung out to dry,

834
01:09:56.560 --> 01:10:00.560
having only done a little bit of
research on the author. An idiots.

835
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:08.439
I did mention the stuff on the
movie, sure, but I I did

836
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:13.560
not know you wanted me to do
work for you. You're in the middle

837
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:19.800
of the cast. That's that's accurate. I just if you wanted that,

838
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:24.760
you should have you should have put
some actual, very wrong, clearly wrong

839
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:29.279
information, and that would have triggered
me to be like what Johnnah and then

840
01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:32.800
I would have probably just for your
if next time, if you're trying to

841
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:36.800
pull that, okay, yeah,
I'll certainly set it up again, you

842
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:41.159
know, to try to do less
work. So thanks for the tip.

843
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:48.079
That's a good one for next time, ye, Sarah, that leaves only

844
01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:53.279
you, I believe. Oh sorry, I just know it's not me,

845
01:10:53.399 --> 01:11:00.680
so I don't know, go ahead
on me. So some there would be

846
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:04.159
a situation where Claire could be insulted
that you were just yeah, you know,

847
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:06.680
but it is like, yeah,
I can't do anything to her.

848
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:11.119
I can say whatever I want for
now. Mm hmm, Okay, I've

849
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:15.960
got my vote. It's not for
Johina, but what it is, it's

850
01:11:16.039 --> 01:11:20.279
for Sabrina. And there's a couple
of reasons. One because I don't want

851
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:28.039
to vote with Johanna and let her
choice become the asshole. One. Two

852
01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:35.680
Sabrina attacking me just now, and
she pointed out again that I missed that

853
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:39.760
the mother wasn't dead, and it
was like, all right, we can't.

854
01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:42.479
I don't even know that we need
to point to the fact that I

855
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:46.199
missed it with you, well,
don't point at it, brush over it,

856
01:11:46.239 --> 01:11:53.479
and hopefully people didn't notice. What
so my vote is for Sabrina.

857
01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:57.319
It's not obviously it would be Jona. But my hands are tied. What

858
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:02.279
did she do? Yeah, the
cycle of crime? Clara. Yeah,

859
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:09.319
yeah, this is tough. I
guess obviously Again, you know, I

860
01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:14.640
mean johna just randomly attacked me,
but also random randomly. Yeah, it

861
01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:20.079
was pretty random. She also I
kept talking about that skiing accedent that was

862
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:27.399
nothing to go skiing and driving me
crazy. But ultimately, you know,

863
01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:31.399
this alliance is so fucked. So
obviously I'm gonna vote for Clara because okay,

864
01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:35.760
well John initiated the alliance, so
yeah, but you're you're sticking with

865
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:39.880
it. You're what am I supposed
to do? Be ungrateful for? Like

866
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:45.039
fifty dollars there, it's a I
don't like you board the episode. Okay,

867
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:48.640
it's too power, it's too much
power. The strawberries are We're not

868
01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:51.119
that good. I'm gonna tell you
that right now. I'm sure they were,

869
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:57.600
And I will say Clara wasn't expressly
said in the gift, but I

870
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:00.520
would say trying to convince other people
to vote for me is against the spirit

871
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:05.319
of I'm not necessarily saying vote for
John. I'm just saying the vote for

872
01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:11.880
me. I have to be able
to defend myself. Jesus, remember John,

873
01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:14.079
and we're all out on the cat. No, it's it's Claire,

874
01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:17.880
Claire, you're you're, you're well. I'm tied with Sabrina though, no

875
01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:21.640
you not. All three of you
vote for me? No, I know

876
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:27.560
I had a voute. Sabrina got
a voute. You got to Sabrina also

877
01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:33.159
that too, right, No one, there's only four what Clara definitely got

878
01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:41.119
You're gonna okay, okay, all
right, more people would be up Sabrina.

879
01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:47.479
No, no, no supported her? All right? Great? So

880
01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:53.960
guys, what are we reading next
for our big finale? What are we

881
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:57.760
reading big finale? We saved the
book we absolutely do not want to read

882
01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:03.159
for a last It's so clearly this
week after we hunted it, and it's

883
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:08.479
guess what self help? Hell your
truth? And let me tell you why.

884
01:14:08.479 --> 01:14:12.079
I know self help books don't work
because we've now read what seven?

885
01:14:13.359 --> 01:14:18.159
Eight? Are our lives better in
any way from before read the self book?

886
01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:24.000
You all have children? Now?
Yeah? If anything claiming you secreted

887
01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:32.079
our children? No, I'm just
suspicious, is all I'm saying. Is

888
01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:40.479
anyone looking up what the book is
during this vamping was like she knew she

889
01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:45.720
was going to do. It's Dichotomy
of Leadership by Jacko Willik and Leif Bobbin

890
01:14:45.640 --> 01:14:57.560
sounds God and psychotomy of leadership.
I'm not interested in that what economy means.

891
01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:01.800
I'm not a leader and I don't
aspire to be one. It's a

892
01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:06.039
business book, and you know we're
not in business. But we'll read it

893
01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:10.359
and we'll talk about it, and
it's gonna be a fun one. Please

894
01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:15.039
become a patron of the Mean Arts
on Patreon, Uh, Patreon, Patreon,

895
01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:21.680
follow us on all the socials,
send us your res uh anything else,

896
01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:28.640
guys, mm hmm. Anybody have
any good books? Well, other

897
01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:33.760
than the whole episode. I've just
been reading a lot of baby prep books.

898
01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:40.119
You have already done it, Yeah, just reminder minding. I get

899
01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:42.800
it. I get it. I've
been taking the classes to make sure I'm

900
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.720
not taking the classes again, so
to fill the guilt of that, I'm

901
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:49.319
reading the books. Is it the
birth partner? That's always the one everyone

902
01:15:50.439 --> 01:15:56.800
m I like them. Yeah,
that's what's called. The birth partner is

903
01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:05.720
a good one. Bringing up loved, bring no no no, fuck the

904
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:14.560
French it's ah Wow, I just
thought of hot dogs again, expecting better.

905
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:17.600
Emily Aust she like the car.
I recommended that one to me.

906
01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:23.479
I read it during my pregnancy.
Yeah, like she get upset about that

907
01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:28.119
one, but I also liked it. Yeah. She just tells you,

908
01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:31.359
like where the advice comes from,
what kind of studies, and you know

909
01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:38.920
how how much you should read into
those studies and like what's kind of suspect

910
01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:43.600
about them and stuff like that,
because everything, like everything with the pregnancy

911
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:45.960
and after your kids is like a
risk assessment. So I think it's good

912
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:49.199
to think of it in those ways. The books. I probably talked about

913
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:53.479
this before I finally started. I
read most of the series now, The

914
01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:58.239
Court Court of Thorn and Roses by
Sarah Moss. Anybody, either of any

915
01:16:58.239 --> 01:17:00.000
of you guys read that. No. I tried to get us to do

916
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:03.000
that that for the cast because I
knew I wanted to read it, and

917
01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:05.760
I still think it would have been
good. God knows, I'd rather be

918
01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:12.960
reading that than Dichotomy of Leadership.
My god, it's it's it's horny fantasy,

919
01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:15.760
and it's just exactly what I what
I want out of my books.

920
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:23.840
Yeah, horny fantasy, so totally
recommend those great. Okay, right right,

921
01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:27.119
all right, we'll see you next
step. We'll see you. I

922
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:31.359
mean hear you now you we don't
hear from you. I imagine and I

923
01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:35.760
see you in my mind's eye.
There you go. M hm, see

924
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:42.119
great. I can hear you in
my mind here. Sound great? All

925
01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:44.159
right, bye bye bye