WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:12.599 Hello, Welcome to this episode of Superhero Ethics. Today, myself, Matthew 2 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:17.760 Fox, my Nook, and my co host Riki Hayashi are talking about the 3 00:00:17.839 --> 00:00:26.239 question of what is anime and to what extent is it specifically to Japanese culture? 4 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:30.480 Is it a word that just means animation from Japan? Is it particular 5 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:34.719 styles that don't make sense outside of Japan? How does this all tie together. 6 00:00:35.439 --> 00:00:37.840 It's a question that we've kind of danced around in a couple of different 7 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:42.159 other podcasts, and so we wanted to kind of dive deeper into it quickly 8 00:00:42.200 --> 00:00:46.119 because, as you may have heard on recent episodes, part of Riki being 9 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.840 on this podcast is we're going to be looking at anime a lot more. 10 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:52.920 And I know these are issues that Riky you have a lot of thoughts on, 11 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:57.280 so let me just start with this. So let me ask you to 12 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:02.560 start and ask you how did you become introduced to anime and how has it 13 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:07.319 been a part of your understanding of yourself as either someone who just enjoys culture 14 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:14.480 or you're as a Japanese person, an American, et cetera. I mean 15 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:18.799 I grew up with it, so I grew up in the United States, 16 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:30.480 But my grandparents would send me video cassettes VHS cassettes with popular anime broadcast in 17 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:34.920 Japan, Like they would record these for me and send them to me, 18 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:41.680 especially like if I expressed some interest in a particular product, particular anime, 19 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:47.920 and like I was definitely more of a manga reader because it was easier at 20 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:53.200 that time to get manga, the comic books at bookstores. They would be 21 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:57.319 Japanese bookstores, and of course like you can get you could get anime like 22 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:02.799 VHS movies and stuff, but it's a lot easier to consume, you know, 23 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:08.199 buy and consume a book. But but I did enjoy anime, Like 24 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:14.960 the first one I really remember was Kinni Kuman. I don't know if that 25 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:20.639 one is very well known in the United States. I think it was exported 26 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:24.120 to the United States as like Muscleman. Do you remember, like the little 27 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:30.919 figurines the muscles, yes, maybe an inch tall made out of like some 28 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:37.280 kind of rubbery plastic thing. Those were all based on kinniy Kuman characters. 29 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:43.199 And it was like a kind of like wrestling, wrestling with superpowers. It's 30 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:46.280 how I would describe the aesthetic of it. And then after that, it 31 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:53.319 was. Of course, Dragonball was the most formative anime of my youth and 32 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:55.319 like even adult life perhaps, and like I got into a lot of other 33 00:02:55.360 --> 00:03:04.240 stuff, but not as much as less. Most recently I have started to 34 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:07.000 catch up, But there was definitely a gap in like two thousand to two 35 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.919 thousand and twenty, like a twenty year gap that I just like didn't pay 36 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.280 much attention or consume very much, just because of where I was in my 37 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:22.280 life. Plus, like how you can get media right like now with the 38 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:27.240 streaming services, it's very easy, Yeah, but there was definitely a period 39 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:35.479 where you either had to like buy DVDs or you had to bootleg right, 40 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:39.120 which I do not advocate. Well, I know that for a while, 41 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:45.960 like the you know, if you bought a seed a DVD from Japan or 42 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:50.120 a Cape, it might not always be compatible with your particular machine because there 43 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:55.120 was, yeah, the region, the region coding. I remember trying to 44 00:03:55.159 --> 00:04:00.280 figure that out, like whether I could actually buy something for sure. Well, 45 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:04.080 and let's kind of go back to those childhood days because you said that 46 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:10.560 your grandparents they were recording it off the television, so where like when it 47 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:14.599 comes to American animation, especially like you know, ongoing cereals for kids. 48 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:17.560 I tend to think of it happening at two times. There's the Saturday Morning 49 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:23.160 cartoons and then there were the after school cartoons, and so like Saturday Morning 50 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:30.360 was things like h was things like Gummy Bears, and a lot of the 51 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:33.000 different a lot of reruns of older stuff, but a lot of other kind 52 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:38.399 of like lighter shows. The stuff that was very much like He Man and 53 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:43.360 g I Joe and stuff like that was almost all like afternoon cartoons, and 54 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:46.639 of course they were going too syndication and things like that. When were you 55 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:53.240 when We're When were these cartoons broadcast on TV in Japan? I don't really 56 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:57.959 know. I mean they would clip the newspaper, they would look like the 57 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:00.560 when it was like the name with the episode, and like when it was 58 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:05.759 broadcast and tape that to the outside of the box on all of that awesome. 59 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:12.879 It was I don't know if we have any left still, but it 60 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.480 was it was like there was a lot of love in it, like looking 61 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.959 yeah for sure. Now, I like, I've been to Japan a couple 62 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:26.519 of times and I just like watched TV and my impression is that a lot 63 00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:30.360 of it is on in the evening, okay, like the whole Saturday morning 64 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.759 cartoon thing. First off, like their school on Saturday in Japan, oh, 65 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:42.959 okay, and even like after school like for US cartoons. I think 66 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.399 you and I probably watched a lot of stuff from like three to six pm, 67 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.560 right like right after school you get stuff like I remember like Dark Wing 68 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:56.560 Duck Duck Tails, the X Men ninety, the original X Men, Batman, 69 00:05:56.560 --> 00:05:59.839 the animated series like stuff like that was on, and then like right 70 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:05.680 after school period in Japan, after school kids go to juku which is like 71 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:13.360 a supplemental learn its study hall. I think a lot of the anime come 72 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:16.439 probably comes on like after like six or seven, like right after the supper 73 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:20.600 time, okay, supper, and the kids probably get to watch some TV 74 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:26.439 for an hour or two, right It is my impression of it, mm 75 00:06:26.519 --> 00:06:30.199 hmm. And I think of the like there's shows like I think of like 76 00:06:30.240 --> 00:06:33.800 The Muppet Show, where ostensibly it's aimed to kids, but there's also quite 77 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:38.279 a lot that adults can enjoy. And obviously a lot of anime today, 78 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:42.439 you know, many adults continue to enjoy. Yourself and in some cases myself 79 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:46.759 included were your grandparents, people who were enjoying these shows and also taping them 80 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:48.560 to you or is it just that they knew that you liked it. They 81 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:51.519 might have whatever they thought of it, but they were taping it specifically just 82 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:58.480 for you. I doubt they were watching. Yeah, my if I had 83 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:02.319 to guess, like they were probably like time timer recording it, so like 84 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:06.600 the TV might not have even been on, like the VHS was just set 85 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:14.279 to record at a certain time on a certain channel. So no, like, 86 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:16.199 I don't, I don't think that they were into it. Even my 87 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:24.000 parents, Like my parents, my dad like might have watched a couple of 88 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:29.000 episodes with me, but like he never really understood or enjoyed, right, 89 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:35.920 So I don't. Yeah, generationally, I don't. I don't think I'm 90 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:43.600 I'm kind of like I feel like I grew up in the perfect time because, 91 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:47.160 like I said, dragon Ball is still to this day one of the 92 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:55.160 biggest franchises to come out of anime, right, And I came along like 93 00:07:55.560 --> 00:08:00.040 I was like maybe like eight or nine years old when it started, and 94 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:05.319 God got super into it and just enjoyed it all the way through its original 95 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:11.160 run. And I've tried to keep up. But yeah, sure, well 96 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.759 you're following one piece and that's gotta be enough, you know, to do 97 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:18.360 two of them. Yeah, oh gosh, Okay. The weirdest thing. 98 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:22.319 I was like doing research on one piece, and of course there's the Netflix 99 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:28.519 live action version. But then I've discovered that a different animation studio is like 100 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.159 redoing one piece from the very beginning. Yeah, that's the face. Iime, 101 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:35.480 like, why why do we need this? Like it's one thing to 102 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:41.840 change the medium from animation to live action and do something different with the story 103 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:45.559 in terms of like I've talked about how they condensed the story, but it 104 00:08:45.600 --> 00:08:48.879 sounds like they just they're just gonna redo it. Like I wonder if it's 105 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:52.720 like a shot for shot, like the Psycho remake? Is this is it 106 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:58.320 a Japanese company? Yeah, yeah it is. I think it's Sunrise. 107 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:05.200 I mean, I I've often wondered. I know that sometimes they'll do the 108 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:09.600 remastering where like I think it's happened some older Disney films where they basically but 109 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:13.360 even then they're trying to make it look like the original. I guess get. 110 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.600 What I'm kind of thinking is if you have something where you're like, 111 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.200 look, we didn't have the animation capacity at the time to where they do 112 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:22.720 this as well as it could have been. We're going to keep all the 113 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.080 same voice actors, so we'll make sure that's animated in a way like I 114 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.840 could see someone wanting to do that. It's not like a strange project. 115 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:37.120 But maybe that's true you're doing. Anime has evolved a lot, especially like 116 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:46.879 the action aspects and the technical mastery of like showing the action fighting has changed 117 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:52.080 so much. But I could see them because I've gone back and watched like 118 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:56.519 the opening episode of the One Piece anime. It's like very dated, yeah, 119 00:09:56.559 --> 00:10:00.639 And then I've seen clips of the newer stuff and it's very up to 120 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.240 date. But maybe like there's this desire because it's gone on for so long, 121 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.200 like twenty years or whatever, they're like, well, let's let's go 122 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.080 back and like reduce some of this old stuff that doesn't look so good anymore. 123 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.919 And that's something I think I see across animation styles in the Star Wars 124 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.960 animation world. I know a lot of times I'll see things like look at 125 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.720 how beautiful the animation for the bad batches, And part of that is the 126 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.519 advances of technology, and part of that is just a bigger budget and then 127 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:30.919 like, imagine if you could do that to season one of the Clone Wars. 128 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:33.440 Yeah, even just like season seven or season one, the technology is 129 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:37.039 night and day. Yeah, Clone Wars got like a refresh. I feel 130 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:41.879 like around season three or four, I think so, yeah, itself like 131 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:48.320 it it got noticeably better. That makes sense. So I want to be 132 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:56.559 coming about to put words in your mouth here for you anime. I've seen 133 00:10:56.559 --> 00:10:58.720 the anime you were watching was in the Japanese language, correct, yes, 134 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:07.320 yeah, yeah, And so what did it feel like for you? It 135 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.559 was a part of and I maybe you're too young to even think of these 136 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:13.320 kind of terms or either at that point or later, like was there a 137 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.480 particular importance for it for you in terms of a way of like staying in 138 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.720 touch with that side of your culture while you were in the United States. 139 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:28.159 No, I'm sure my parents liked it or let me watch it because of 140 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:33.240 that, like because it helped with the language, But like culturally I can't 141 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:39.440 even now, like, yes, I must have absorbed something because when we're 142 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:45.200 talking about this overall topic, like I see on the screen you say, 143 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:50.120 can Americans make anime? And my answer is like yes and no. Right 144 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:56.639 in that anime just means animation. Like they shortened that word and like made 145 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:01.159 it into a Japanese word called anime. And now it's been like re imported 146 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:05.159 as a different thing, right, But originally it was just like any anything 147 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:09.000 anime animated. And in fact, like in Japan, I think when like 148 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:13.200 a Disney Pixar movie comes out, I'm sure they just referred to as anime. 149 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:20.080 They don't think of it as like American you know, anime or cartoon. 150 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:24.399 Anime just means like it's it's been drawn, right, it's just or 151 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:28.720 by computer. Right. Well, and that's that's interesting. I figured that 152 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.600 was one of the things we were going to get into today because at least 153 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.159 as I understand it, here in the United States and English speaking areas, 154 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:43.600 it often feels like when people say anime, they're not they're referring to the 155 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:50.320 idea of a particular style that has stylistic tropes and story tropes and characters. 156 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.039 Tu. Yeah, And that's and that's where I say, can Americans make 157 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.279 anime? No? But I can't. It's very hard to put my finger 158 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:03.600 on it. But like one of the products you mentioned in the notes was 159 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:09.639 Castlevania, right, and I looked into that, and it is as far 160 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.080 as I can tell, it's a US studio that animates it, and the 161 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.759 press I found about it says that it was like inspired by or done in 162 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:22.679 the style of Japanese animation. And yet there's something about it that I don't 163 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.559 know if it's just I can tell, like I know, and it just 164 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:30.720 doesn't feel right to me, and I don't enjoy it as a result. 165 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:37.320 I don't like, I don't want to come off like an elitist that only 166 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:41.639 the Japanese can make anime, but I think that there must be something in 167 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:46.799 the techniques or the style that is taught and the people learned by watching or 168 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:54.120 studying under other people that has led to the visual style and the animation style 169 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.799 that is different. Right, And it's not to say that other people can't 170 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:03.360 learn that, because I do believe like a lot of these Japanese anime now 171 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:09.919 use some like South Korean contractors, either like in house or like an entire 172 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:16.000 studio that's out of house. I know there's one studio called Studio Mirror out 173 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:22.840 of South Korea that has done some anime or like anime related things. They 174 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:28.279 did X Men ninety seven, which I think visually to me is not only 175 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:33.240 an homage to the original X Men, but also the style feels more anime 176 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.440 than the original X Men, especially the action sequences. So let's talk about 177 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:41.399 what that style is, because, like going on at one direct that going 178 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:46.480 in that first definition, you know, if anime is everything that is just 179 00:14:46.639 --> 00:14:52.120 animated from Japan, then we're talking about Studio ghibli and Dragon Ball Z and 180 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:56.320 Hentai, which I think, you know, like there's such a wide range 181 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:58.440 there that I feel like, you know, calling anyone Stott what wouldn't make 182 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:03.519 sense. But with this other definition, then what do you think of as 183 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.399 the elements of anime? Like what makes something anime? So, as far 184 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:13.919 as I know, Studio Gibilie only makes movies. I believe, I'm not 185 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.600 sure if they have they at this point, they've probably done TV series, 186 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:22.720 but they're mostly known for movies. Right, you mentioned dragon Ball, which 187 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:28.200 is toa animation, and I believe Toe also is the one currently doing one 188 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:33.000 piece. And then they they do a lot of the you know, I've 189 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.200 talked about Jump Weekly, Jump Shown and Jump. I think they do a 190 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:43.960 lot of those anime that come from that manga book. And then the other 191 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:50.480 major company that I am aware of is Sunrise Animation, and for me, 192 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:56.399 they're most known for mobile suit gun dum and because of that, they seem 193 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:02.879 to focus a lot on the futuristic like mech style anime. As for Hentai, 194 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:11.000 I have no idea. Hentai refers to what would the translation be, 195 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:17.480 like the direct translation is like pervert, but basically like porn animated porn, 196 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:21.320 And I actually have like no interest in that, Like I'm being totally honest, 197 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:25.000 I have no interest in that. And so like I've never watched anything 198 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:29.639 or know of any major studios or projects. No, I'm in the same 199 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.759 boat. I just referenced it because it is animation that comes from Japan, 200 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:37.320 so in terms of but I don't know if that would be. But so 201 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:40.559 yeah, getting to this idea of there being a more specific style of what 202 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:41.799 you're talking about, what do you what do you think are those elements of 203 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:48.039 it? First of all, like the characters. I think anime characters are 204 00:16:48.159 --> 00:16:53.440 known for, like the the big eyes, like on their faces, very 205 00:16:53.480 --> 00:17:00.759 expressive eyes. Hair I think is a thing like hair color, especially like 206 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:04.920 weirdly, in a lot of the Mecca anime in the future, it seems 207 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:11.039 like it's cool to have like blue and purple hair, and that was the 208 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:15.839 thing. And then the action elements. I really think like there's something about 209 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:26.279 the way that they draw the action elements and animated that is very different and 210 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:33.759 dynamic. It's very hard to describe a visual medium in words, but for 211 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:37.200 me, like like I said, like dragon Ball and then Gundam, like 212 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.920 when the robots fight in Gundam, that there's just something about it that is 213 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:49.599 so luid and it makes it very exciting. Yeah. I mean one of 214 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.480 the things that I think of we talked about this someone during one piece, 215 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.920 and there was more for comedic value, but I think of it mean as 216 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:02.039 well, is that a lot of the time the animation, particularly fight scenes, 217 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:08.640 is more meant to convey the overall impression rather than being a artistic shot, 218 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:14.720 rather than being a animated but still kind of shot for shot realistic idea 219 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:17.880 of the fight, you know, the kind of like the someone jumps or 220 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:22.519 moves at high speed and so all the background behind them becomes very blurred or 221 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:29.559 things like that. I certainly saw aspects of that in some of the American 222 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.799 cartoons I watched, Like you mentioned a couple of Duck but not like dcktails 223 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.680 or something, but like Voltron for example, which my understanding is Voltron is 224 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:44.119 an americanized version of something that was very Japanese inspired or anime inspire. Well, 225 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:49.759 okay, the original Voltron is Japanese. Okay, Yeah, So thousand 226 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:57.039 anime what was it called Die die Go Ranger or something, you know, 227 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:02.480 go lie in something firm to the lion and then it had the word go 228 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:06.759 which is five because there were five lions. I don't remember the exact name. 229 00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:14.799 Jew Ogle Lion is my best guess right now right the new one, 230 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:19.559 yeah, Vultron Legendary Defender. I believe it's called on Netflix from like twenty 231 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:27.000 eighteen ish is I believe that might have been actually been Studio Mirror, that 232 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:32.680 South Korean company I talked about. Oh, interest, So you're saying the 233 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:37.960 Vultron that I watched in the eighties that wasn't even a American version. That 234 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:42.640 was probably just dubbed English voices over an anime. Yeah, one that like 235 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:49.599 that era, like Voltron transformed, like the original Transformers, like those were 236 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:56.279 Japanese anime that you know, like Sabah or whatever. Other companies bought and 237 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:00.160 licensed to both like sell Toys and then broadcast on te and then yeah, 238 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:04.960 they just dubbed it over. Same thing with the original Power Rangers other than 239 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:11.160 you know, the Angel Grove, like where the actors are not in their 240 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:15.440 suits and like at school. All the action sequences in the original Power Rangers 241 00:20:15.680 --> 00:20:21.119 was from Japanese TV. And then okay, well then it makes even more 242 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:22.720 sense that I was thinking those are like anime inspired. No, no, 243 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.200 they're just straight up anime. But yeah, because those are the shows I 244 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.920 think of that really, Voultron and Transformers especially that had that kind of like 245 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:37.440 not realistic anime fight scenes, but much more you know, impressionistic kind of 246 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:41.000 art majors who are listening are horrified at. These are the words that I'm 247 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:47.799 using, but I hope you getting across what I mean. Yeah, okay, 248 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:53.200 so Studio Mayor did do Vultron Legendary Defender. I mean, it says 249 00:20:53.319 --> 00:21:00.720 dream Works, but it also that's why themual animation was by Studio Mirror. 250 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:04.799 So yeah, right, so they contracted them probably that makes sense. And 251 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:11.160 yeah, like I don't know, it's Vultron again. I enjoyed Voltron, 252 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:18.119 and I do think like the styling, especially like when we're talking about the 253 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:25.240 action, and the faces, like the animated faces were much closer to what 254 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:30.759 I would think of as anime, just because I'm thinking about it in that 255 00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.079 same style. Like he Man, I know, was not with ThunderCats. 256 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:40.200 Did that have an anime origin? I don't think so. Okay, those 257 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:41.440 are the four that I remember when I was younger. Like later it became 258 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:48.960 the Ducktails and Darkling Duck and most most of the stuff that got exported in 259 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:56.240 the eighties was like the Mecca stuff, right. Robotech. Yeah, Robotech 260 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:02.799 was actually three different series that Harmony Gold together, and when they dubbed it, 261 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:07.079 they like changed a bunch of the story so that the three different series 262 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:11.279 would line up. Twelve year old me was signing into the very very beginnings 263 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:14.759 of the Internet. I remember one of the first things I've researched because I 264 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:18.039 had I had seen like some of a Robotech TV show, and I'd read 265 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:22.440 a Robotech novel, and none of the things that I remembered meshed up together. 266 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:25.400 And so I remember trying like going on some rabbit holes to try and 267 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:27.200 find out what's the actual Robotech story, and I could never find it, 268 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:33.319 And that probably helps explain why. Yeah, the most famous one that they 269 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:42.240 used the first the first series was Macross super Dimensional Fortress Macross, and they 270 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:48.519 actually referenced it in the Robotech cartoon by calling the city Macross Island. Yeah, 271 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.599 okay. And then the other two I don't second one, most know, 272 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.640 the third one was most Pedia. I think the second one might actually 273 00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:02.440 just be called Southern Cross, but they're completely different products in Japan, unrelated, 274 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:08.119 and it leads to a very convoluted story. Like I actually know a 275 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:12.519 lot about Robotech. Okay, beat next to Gundam. It's probably the thing 276 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:18.599 I love the most from that era. I'm taking down to future episodes and 277 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:27.200 the harmony gold like history story that they wrote is completely nonsciensical, just like 278 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:33.960 designed to fit into what they had to show, and it's it's funny. 279 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:38.880 I like it. I like I still have very fond memories of Robotech. 280 00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:45.759 I've maybe like six years ago, rewatched a bunch and it doesn't hold up. 281 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:49.960 But I know there's been a lot of Macross that's been the most successful. 282 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:52.839 There's been a lot of mac Cross stuff, and I think there's a 283 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.880 new series coming out soon that's awesome. We're going to be right back to 284 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:41.240 these questions right after this Welcome back everyone, So let me let me tell 285 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.480 us talk a little bit about what I was in the anime that made it 286 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:48.599 over here, especially in those eighties and nineties and the like, because you're 287 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:49.880 right, why are remember is a lot of the robotech stuff, though it 288 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:55.000 doesn't think about it as anime. The first time that I heard the word 289 00:24:55.079 --> 00:25:00.319 anime was first of all, was the movie Akira, and then was in 290 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:04.480 regard to the TV shows that a lot of my friends who are on the 291 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:08.759 geekier side of things in college, we became our way of sort of getting 292 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:15.799 through finals times was watching this stuff. And that was Ranma one half and 293 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:19.279 Revolutionary gro Utna for those who have no idea I'm talking about, because they're 294 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:25.400 not quite as old as dirt. Ranmo one half was a what I remember 295 00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:29.680 at the time, in like nineteen ninety seven, being a very funny thing 296 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:34.039 about a kid who changes genders when he falls into the water and has a 297 00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:41.000 martial arts teacher and mentor who turns into a great panda when he falls into 298 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.160 water, and to us in nineteen ninety seven, we thought this was awesomely 299 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.119 queer and transpositive, and I think looking back on it today would feel very 300 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:56.519 differently about it. And then revelation of Girl Utna is just fantastically weird in 301 00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.559 a way that I really don't remember anything about it except that they cracked the 302 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:03.799 earth shell. They cracked the shell of the world's egg in the intro credits, 303 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:10.559 What what what? And then I think we started to get the spirited 304 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:12.880 away movies and other things like that. What was kind of your impression of 305 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:18.920 like what what was driving that kind of idea of like which ones were coming 306 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.960 over and and what impression that made about how we how Americans were looking at 307 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:33.440 what anime is? Wow? I mean I don't know, like that that's 308 00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:40.000 above my pay grade. Fair, that's fair like stuff the stuff came over, 309 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:45.000 that came over and people watched it. Like to this day, I 310 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:51.799 can't believe it took so long for Gundam to catch on m H in the 311 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:56.079 United States. So so whatever like politics or business that happened behind the scenes, 312 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.519 like it wasn't until I think Gundam wing that that it caught on. 313 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.319 And at that point, I think it had been close to like fifteen year 314 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.880 fifteen year franchise and most of the stuff that I loved and it just like 315 00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:12.160 had no impact. Like, you know, my friends loved Robotech as I 316 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.519 did. They loved dragon Ball, but then like I couldn't talk to him 317 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:19.799 about Gundam because they just had never seen it and I had no knowledge of 318 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:26.559 it. So if I could like time travel and change one thing about anime, 319 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.920 I would say, like, get Gundam over here faster. Yeah, 320 00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:34.119 the phrase Gundam wing rings some history belts for me, but I don't remember 321 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:40.720 it ever. Yeah, that was the one whatever was on like right Nami 322 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:45.160 or Nickelodeon or But even then, I think as kids, like I said, 323 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:47.480 we didn't know Vulture. We didn't know Vulture was anime. You know 324 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:51.119 that wasn't being talked about it all Transformers or anything like that. Well that's 325 00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:56.160 interesting, And again I don't know. I was always aware maybe because I 326 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.880 was also because I was consuming like original Jabanese anime. It's not like I 327 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:08.240 watched Voltron in Japanese. But I think because of like I would get books 328 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:14.319 and stuff like magazines, like I knew it existed in Japan and its it 329 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:18.079 made more sense to me that way because it's like oh yeah, like because 330 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:22.039 there's nothing else, there was nothing else like in US media that was like 331 00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:27.359 that, like there was no one in the US making like giant robot cartoons 332 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:32.839 and that's why they they imported it, right. But then to me it 333 00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:37.319 was like any giant robot is from Japan and that's like that is also like 334 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:42.559 a stereotype that time, but it was like I was aware of it as 335 00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:48.160 a kid of being like, if I want to get more giant robot stuff, 336 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.640 I have to get well. And it's so funny because even by the 337 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.559 time of like the movie that I think of first in terms of like robots 338 00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:04.640 versus Kaiju of Pacific uh we very the name the all the monsters are give 339 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:10.279 the named Kaiju, which is a Japanese word that refers to Godzilla and like 340 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:15.079 all the creatures of that ilk and they call the robots jaegers, which is 341 00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:21.160 a German word. And for me not being very educated about this and this 342 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:22.559 is you know, I was an adult when Pacific Grim came out, it 343 00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:26.039 felt to me like it was a genre mash because it was Japanese monsters versus 344 00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:30.720 American robots. But you know I'm here from you that no, actually it's 345 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.799 it's an American movie about to two Japanese genres that are clashing and and actually 346 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:40.000 like now that have gone more into the go heuro movies like there's Mechagodura and 347 00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.279 all sorts of things like that. So I'm guessing that it's not the VC. 348 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:47.559 Things were much more interlinked than many Americans may have realized. Yeah, 349 00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:52.079 I don't to this day, like I don't know why they called them yeagers. 350 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.160 I'm guessing it may have been for, you know, to make it 351 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.440 seemed not quite so Japanese to an American audience or something like that. Maybe 352 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:10.720 what what is the Japanese Is it just mecca or is there like if kaiju 353 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.640 is the word for the monsters, what would the word be for giant robots 354 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:22.799 in Japanese? I mean they just use the word, Okay, do they 355 00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:29.559 call them meccas in Japanese? The thing is like in in the Gundam universe, 356 00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:34.839 they're referred to as mobile suits. Oh, in Japanese. Right. 357 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.279 I don't think of what else because I guess it's been a while since I've 358 00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:47.880 watched like any macross in Japanese. I can't remember what they call those or 359 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:52.039 even just like the the movie that I know is the English name is mecha 360 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:59.880 Godzilla would be mecha Gojua or would Yeah? Yeah, it was okay interesting? 361 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:06.440 So why is it do you think that? I mean, it may 362 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:11.519 be hard to say, like white people don't do something well, but I'm 363 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:17.000 tryin how the best phrase these questions? You talked about how when you've seen 364 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.440 Americans or people from other parts of the world trying to do anime, it 365 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.480 always feels kind of wrong to you. Mm hmm. Talk more about that. 366 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.240 Do you think it is just that it's just that because you, like, 367 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.480 you know, you have to learn from the people who are doing it, 368 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:33.720 and that's all happening in Japan. Is there a ways in which that, 369 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.759 like growing up Japanese gives you an understanding of the kind of issues and 370 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.559 characters and things that's talking about? What do you what do you see things? 371 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:47.799 Yeah, because like if you're a kid and you watch something like if 372 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:52.680 you watch a cartoon, mm hmm, and I did this, Like you 373 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.079 draw, you try to draw the characters, right, right, I draw 374 00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.640 the characters from cartoons from the manga I had, And like that's how you 375 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:06.440 initially start learning how to draw. And if you continue with it, like 376 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.599 if you continue to draw and get better, like you're still mainly focusing on 377 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:19.359 the media you consume and then ultimately like you'll stop if you become a professional, 378 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.559 you stop drawing other people's things and make your own characters. But because 379 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:28.599 you've grown up, like with the style of drawing, especially like the faces, 380 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:36.440 I think that's the key aspect to identifying anime. It's just like something 381 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:40.200 about the proportions of the face and the eyes is different. Like I said, 382 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:44.720 the eyes are bigger. I think off of the mouths are bigger as 383 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:51.440 well, and it's just a not quite uncanny valley, but there's an unrealistic 384 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:55.599 element to their proportions, but it's still within reason of Like it's not like 385 00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:00.519 they look ugly often like oftentimes I feel like they look more beauty full than 386 00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:07.720 a corresponding human might. Right, But I think like if you have grown 387 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:14.200 up and seen that style of drawing and drawing it yourself and end up like 388 00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:20.720 becoming an artist and creating your own characters in that style, Like, yeah, 389 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:25.319 I think it's probably just like learned behavior. Yeah, so do you 390 00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:29.599 think there's a possibility it's I'm not trying to advocate for one thing or the 391 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:34.039 other here, I'm just curious. As you said, anime is now far 392 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.599 far more accessible. And I think there are a lot of people in Europe 393 00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:42.319 and America and Africa, you know, all over the world for whom anime 394 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:46.000 maybe one of or the predominant kind of animation they're seeing. Could you envision 395 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:52.119 someone growing up in you know, Cairo or London or United States or anything 396 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:53.960 like that, for whom they're mostly seeing anime and that's what's shaping it. 397 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:59.400 And so they're going through that same process obviously. Yeah, I mean Studio 398 00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.960 mirror, like saying like I don't know anything about like the human beings there 399 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.880 right, Like it's a South Korean studio and it's fairly new. So the 400 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:13.480 first thing they did was Legend of Korra. In fact, I think twenty 401 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:19.519 twelve Avacar Legend of Korra. They did the Voltron and they did like I 402 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.079 said, they it seems like they did X Men ninety seven. Those are 403 00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:28.920 the three things on their credits that I was most familiar with, and looking 404 00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:36.239 at them like they are, they feel more like anime to me than anything 405 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.199 else. Like even like when I was watching when I was watching Vultron, 406 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:43.320 I was like, oh, like this and then like you watch the credits 407 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.440 and there's no Japanese names, It's like, oh okay, that's interesting, 408 00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:52.639 but it it felt much closer to anime. And I think you probably have 409 00:34:52.719 --> 00:35:01.119 a generation of animators there at that studio that grew up on Dragon Ball Yea 410 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:05.559 and early One Piece as I did and all that, like the the mecha 411 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.880 anime I was talking about, And so if you grow up on that stuff 412 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:14.320 again, like and you learn that style, yeah, they're they're doing it 413 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:20.639 right. Like again, I'm not I'm not here to advocate for some kind 414 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:25.440 of like nationalistic definition of anime that only Japanese people can do it. This 415 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:35.199 is it is a result of of upbringing culture and learned drawing behavior, right, 416 00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.280 And I think like a bunch of these Korean animators have grown up and 417 00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:43.519 learned that. Yeah that makes sense and it looks it looks good to me. 418 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:46.480 Like I love all three of those shows for many reasons, but definitely 419 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.679 the animation is part of it, like the it's I keep coming back to 420 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:59.639 this this phrase, but it's the action of it, like the action in 421 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:06.320 Voltron just like feels much better to me. Yeah, I don't like I 422 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:14.239 would have to like really dig deep to find a US animated like robot thing 423 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:17.800 that I enjoy. So, I don't know, probably better robots y'all, 424 00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:22.159 but it sounds interesting. I like the way you're phrasing it that it's not 425 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:28.199 it's about growing up with this stuff that until very recently most people outside of 426 00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:30.440 Japan weren't growing up with, rather than being a national you know it kind 427 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:34.880 of like you have to have a Japanese sensibility or something like that, because, 428 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.679 yeah, I'd be very curious then to have the same conversation. Maybe 429 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:39.800 we'll be in twenty years when we have lots of people who are growing up 430 00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.440 drawing robots that way or things like that, you know that. Yeah, 431 00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:52.000 So, like I just googled best American robot anime, and the things that's 432 00:36:52.039 --> 00:37:00.280 given me are Robotech, Transformers, Voltron, and gurin login. They're all 433 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:06.400 Japanese, right, just like no one no one's doing it, which is 434 00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:15.320 yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's very possible that the people like you 435 00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.639 because there's a whole industry in Japan, right, Like you can get a 436 00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:23.679 job like you can you can go to an animation studio and draw robots in 437 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:28.800 this way. In the US, I would imagine like if you are an 438 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.920 animator, they're just like there's no studio a working on it. And if 439 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:37.280 there is a studio working on like a like some kind of robot thing, 440 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:43.840 it's going to be more like in the realistic CGI, like the Michael Bay 441 00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:50.360 Transformers, right, that's essentially animated, like there that those aren't real transformers. 442 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:57.000 It's animated, but it it's different like an anime. Now, a 443 00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.480 lot of it I think is still like very hand drawn on maybe not like 444 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:04.960 with pen and paper, like hand drawn on a computer, you know, 445 00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:12.559 touch screen. But I think like that is also probably like I know less 446 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.400 about the technical aspects. My guess would be that that is a difference in 447 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:27.119 visually like how we perceive animera versus the computer generated. H I may be 448 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:29.800 wrong, but you haven't mentioned this yet, so I assume you haven't seen 449 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:35.920 it. Pacific Rim the Black Did you see that? No? I don't 450 00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:40.320 like specific room as a franchise, so oh, I'd be curious if you 451 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.880 just kind of took a looks at the art of it, because it was 452 00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:49.039 intent. It was an animation and animated show continuing the Pacific Rim story, 453 00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.360 but it was specifically done as an American Japanese partnership, and I think with 454 00:38:52.480 --> 00:39:00.960 mostly Japanese artists, but also they're doing art of a you know, of 455 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:08.199 robotic images that were made by a American studio. So yeah, if you're 456 00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:12.920 your fans watching any that cureous, what you think of it? Yeah? 457 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:19.960 Like, I'm looking at the character design and they are very anime right now, 458 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:24.599 I'm looking at the production. Series is produced by American company Legendary Television 459 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:29.800 and animated by Japanese studio Polygon Pictures. So there you go. It was 460 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:35.840 animation was done in Japan by Polygon. What else have they done that I 461 00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:42.320 might be familiar with? So they did Ghost in the Shell to some ultraman 462 00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:49.360 stuff. Oh, I think these is like the Bad Gora movies. Yeah, 463 00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:52.920 that makes sense that they would translate that. Yeah, there's like a 464 00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:58.480 yeah, like a conkaiju stuff. Oh, Polygon did some work on the 465 00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:02.159 Clone Wars. Interesting. Oh that's kind of cool. I wonder if they 466 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:07.639 were Oh God, I'm having trouble to memory the name of it. But 467 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.920 there was a TV show. There was a series of episodes that came out 468 00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:19.320 on Disney Plus that was animated Star Wars stories from a number of different that 469 00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:24.719 I think. I think they were all or mostly done by Japanese animators or 470 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:30.440 maybe Yeah, what was that called? That was Star Wars? Was it 471 00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:35.880 legends? No? Star Wars? Look it up quickly, No, I 472 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:40.760 like the We never talked about that. I mean you probably did an episode, 473 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.519 yeah, one with Johanna Kellman actually where we both sort of started by 474 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.719 saying, we're not art people, so we're just gonna talk about the story 475 00:40:50.599 --> 00:41:01.360 Star Wars visions that I liked most of those a lot. Was unfortunate that 476 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:06.719 the second one was my least favorite. That was like the weird band one. 477 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:09.599 Oh yeah, and so I saw that one and I stopped watching for 478 00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:15.639 a while. Yeah, because the first one is very much clearly not only 479 00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:21.000 a anime style, but it's it's really an homage to samurai stories where it 480 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.440 is very much, yeah, very much a a samurai is protecting the village 481 00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:29.840 of samurai is coming to attack the village, but they're using lightsabers instead of 482 00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:38.519 katanas. So I forgot earlier on you mentioned a like that's that is probably 483 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:45.039 like the most famous movie other than like the Cheepli movies, right, and 484 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:55.440 influential in its style, especially the the motorcycle slide, right, are you 485 00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:59.559 do? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, So the 486 00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:06.559 famous motorcycle slide where the main character Canada like stop comes to a stop, 487 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.800 but also like slides his motorcycle sideways and does the skid like into the quote 488 00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:16.559 unquote camera. And it's been like off parodied or just like homages to it, 489 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:22.719 like it is one of the most famous moments in anime. But the 490 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:30.119 thing about that movie, it's a terrible movie. And I say this. 491 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:35.239 I read the I read the original manga books. It's like six very thick 492 00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:39.599 books, like each book is probably like three hundred pages or so two two 493 00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:44.400 to three hundred pages, six volumes of that, and they condensed it into 494 00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.719 like a two hour movie, and it just again doesn't make sense. Yeah, 495 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:52.000 like like what I think about Robotech. I attempted to watch it on 496 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:57.360 three different occasions, and granted this was always during final season of college. 497 00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.320 I was always exhausted. It's probably also happening at two in the morning. 498 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.800 I never stayed awake with the three viewings. So I'm glad to hear that 499 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:12.079 at least it is visually stunning, it's exciting, but you end up like 500 00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.760 with a lot of questions that were answered in the manga or just like didn't 501 00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:21.599 exist because they changed the story so dramatically, And it reminds me of the 502 00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:25.199 viewing experience of like Rise of Skywalker, Like there were so there were so 503 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:30.599 many cuts and edits and like rearranging the story, like it ends up not 504 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:34.639 making sense and you're just like, what, what did I watch? Yeah, 505 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:42.159 so I acknowledge its importance in history, but I would not really want 506 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.519 to watch it right now. That's fair, that's fair. I can see 507 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:53.880 that we've been talking mostly about animation style. I do know that there are 508 00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.480 a lot of and again maybe this is more of the kind of stylistical the 509 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.719 idea of anime rather than just that theater you know from Japan style. But 510 00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:06.239 my impression is from talking to you, I was from talking about the anime 511 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.000 fans, that you've got a number of these tropes that are part of animes. 512 00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:14.480 The first one that comes to mind is that a character who has sort 513 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.400 of a tooth that goes over their lower lip is always going to be a 514 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:23.079 creature of like mischief or chaos or something like that. You'd give me a 515 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:25.159 blank expression, though, which tells me maybe I have no idea what I'm 516 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:30.519 talking about here, Well, do you have any examples? I'm just uh, 517 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:35.280 there's a character in my hero Academia, not my hero Arcademias full Metal 518 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.960 Alchemist. This is what I saw from recently, and Mary, my partner, 519 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:40.920 was pointing out, Oh yeah, you Seeah, that character has the 520 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.960 tooth over the lip. That means they're gonna be causing a lot of chaos, 521 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:49.559 but they're off of a young child with mischief. Do you remember the 522 00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:57.840 character's name? I don't. I know. Another one of the tropes that 523 00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:01.199 I think of is the way you talked about in one piece, how a 524 00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:05.239 couple of the characters in that sort of fit into very specific different tropes. 525 00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:12.920 I'm looking through the characters and I don't really see anyone. It was a 526 00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:22.760 sad character, Okay. Yeah. So, like one of the things about 527 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:34.239 Japanese anime to me is that it's it's less for I don't want to put 528 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:38.320 this like I was gonna say, it's less for kids than American cartoons, 529 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:44.159 which is to say, like it's still for kids, but it's like older. 530 00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:49.599 I think, like the whole cartoons are for kids. Thing that like 531 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:53.159 the way a lot of people in the United States look down upon cartoons, 532 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.760 right, you know, up all the way up to like you know, 533 00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:01.639 Academy Awards and stuff like, oh, I you animated movie, you could 534 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:07.719 never win like Best Picture, right, Like that's definitely an attitude, and 535 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.159 in my opinion, that's ridiculous. But it stems from this cartoons or for 536 00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:16.519 kids, and you talked about like Saturday Morning cartoons, like those are very 537 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:22.559 much for like very young kids, right like five to ten years old. 538 00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:27.039 Where I would say most of the stuff we are talking about in terms of 539 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:31.480 anime is meant more for like young adults, you know, like teenager, 540 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:37.039 like early teenagers to begin with. Like I certainly started watching earlier than that, 541 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.559 but it appealed to me most, I think during my teenage years. 542 00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:45.960 And that's where all the action elements and the you know a lot of these 543 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:52.559 are fighting anime or you know, the mecha combat anime like more geared towards 544 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:59.760 young boys. Yeah, but but there is stuff like there's certainly anime for 545 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:04.760 girls or you know, for people who are not interested in fighting. Right, 546 00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.440 I've read you manga the Studio Ghibli movie is quite famously almost never involved 547 00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:15.440 combat, right, because Miyazaki is very much about not having fighting. No 548 00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:22.800 I would say that they well, okay, they don't they're they're not combat 549 00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:28.519 oriented. I would say a lot of them feature war though, Naushka, 550 00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:32.599 The Valley of the Wind, Princess Mono Nooke has a lot of fighting, 551 00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.079 but it's not like one on one like personal combats, right, And you're 552 00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:40.199 never like, oh, this character is such a cool fighter. It's oh, 553 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.000 this character is so traumatized by the fighting. How's will moving Castle has 554 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:49.800 war? And am frankly like he's he's anti war, right, Like that's 555 00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:54.800 what he's portraying, the horrors of war in animation, right. And I 556 00:47:54.840 --> 00:48:02.280 feel like that is a that is like a very big distinction when it comes 557 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:09.320 to anime that it it is for a slightly older audience. Yeah, like 558 00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:15.920 starting audience, so like the starting audience for anime is is teenage. Let's 559 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:20.280 let's just say roughly versus you know, to put it in context, maybe 560 00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:23.280 it's more like, uh, Batman the anime and it's serious than Gummy Bears 561 00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:27.360 or something like that. Exactly. Yeah, Yeah, that's a that's a 562 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.480 pretty good pairing that I often watched back to back, I think or close 563 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:36.400 to in those hours. And yeah, because of that, I think the 564 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:43.159 appeal of anime can last longer, although all the way to well into adulthood 565 00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:47.880 for us. And I think like it. It makes it feel to me 566 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:55.239 more serious, like it deals with things like serious topics and has moments of 567 00:48:55.360 --> 00:49:07.800 death like Robotech. The original Robotech had multiple character deaths in the macross segment 568 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:15.480 what was his name, roy, I think who was the protagonist mentor He 569 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:20.920 dies in combat and it was like a huge moment in the series for the 570 00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:28.440 characters, and it was such a huge contrast to the other main like war 571 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.400 based cartoon I was watching at the time, G I Joe, where famously, 572 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.440 every time a fighter plane blows up, they were contractually obligated by like 573 00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:45.679 the code of the studio or the network to show the pilot escaping in a 574 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:51.320 parachute and surviving, like they were told directly, you cannot imply death. 575 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:59.800 And it was to me like it made Robotech, I guess cooler to kid 576 00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.599 me that they have death, but to me, like looking back at it 577 00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:07.559 now, it meant it was more real and hence more mature, right, 578 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.559 right, So as a kid growing up, like as you go through those 579 00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.800 ages, it's like, oh, like now I get to watch a cartoon 580 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:19.119 where someone dies and I'm growing up, and like what I'm watching is growing 581 00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.239 Yeah, Well, we've gone on for a while. This is obviously a 582 00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:27.199 topic we can go on at great length about and hope we'll get some good 583 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.559 feedback and can keep discussing it. What I want to quote You mentioned something 584 00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:36.440 like legend of Kora being done since like a lot of the animation was very 585 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.480 much an homage to Japanese style or was done by Japanese animators, and certainly 586 00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:45.039 the it's precursor show, Avatar the Last Airbender, we talked a lot about 587 00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:50.199 how it's very clearly anime inspired. What's kind of your feeling over what do 588 00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:52.960 you think are good examples of shows that are not trying to be anime but 589 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:57.480 are still very clearly made by people who have been very influenced by anime in 590 00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:05.079 positive ways? What first I would just say, like, would you describe 591 00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:12.000 Avatar the Last Airbender in those kind of terms? No, I mean yes, 592 00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.760 but not as much as Cora. Right. Once you get the legend 593 00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:22.320 of Korra, it's it, and especially like know him now about the studio 594 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:30.920 that made it it seems much more clear. Avatar still has that cartoon esthetic 595 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:39.480 to it, and I'm I don't know, it's just maybe the colors too, 596 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:45.039 Like the way they use colors is more cartoony than anime. Again like 597 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:51.880 here here, I am like trying to describe colors in a podcast. But 598 00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:53.800 if you've seen both, like you, you know what I mean, right, 599 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.320 Matthew, Like, I don't know if that if it makes sense, 600 00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:01.760 but something about the vibrance of the colors and the legend of Kora, I 601 00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:05.440 think it's really true. Yeah, And I'm not much of an art person, 602 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.559 but I definitely agree with you, and I think like when I hear 603 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.719 Avatar described it's very anime, like, I think it is much more about 604 00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:15.440 the characters and the journey and the kind of world building than it is necessarily 605 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:22.320 the artistic style. Mmm. Yeah, I don't know. To me, 606 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:24.400 like it's it's the art style. Yeah, No, it makes sense. 607 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:30.760 That's that's an importanteks quote unquote reeks of anime. Yeah, I'm still struggling 608 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:36.719 on your question, Like, I don't know what I would say about that. 609 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.079 Mm hmm. No, it makes sense, especially if it is uh 610 00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:45.239 for you the understanding specifically the art style, not necessarily the story and characters, 611 00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:46.719 and yeah, I think it probably probably there aren't any good examples right 612 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:51.800 now, are very few. Once we're not we're not knowledgeable that. Like 613 00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:57.719 the thing about Avatar the Last Air Vendor is that it's three seasons and it's 614 00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:02.000 done, and it told like a very good story and package it well. 615 00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:12.719 Anime is often ongoing, right because of the nature of the original, the 616 00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:16.199 ip of the manga, and like we've commented on about one piece, it's 617 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:22.880 been ongoing for a thousand plus episodes, right, And I think there's something 618 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:25.920 we haven't talked about too much about, yeah, like about the storytelling of 619 00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:31.800 it, of the of the nature of the way that the stories have not 620 00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:39.280 necessarily have to but that they do keep going right and and don't repeat that. 621 00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:46.039 I think that's a key to American comic books, like thinking mostly about 622 00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:52.280 like DC and Marvel, like superhero comic books, they do this thing with 623 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:59.480 the universes and time right where they often have like infinite crisis and then they 624 00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:07.679 reset it right and start retelling stories with different writers and different pencilers and artists, 625 00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:15.559 Whereas in Japan, each manga and as a result, each anime is 626 00:54:15.559 --> 00:54:21.119 done by one person, like one artist is writing the story, is drawing 627 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:24.039 through the entire run. Obviously, when it comes to the animation, they're 628 00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:28.039 gonna have different people working on it over the years, but they have to 629 00:54:28.159 --> 00:54:35.079 base their art style on the original artist and stay true to that. And 630 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:43.719 I think there has to be something there about that's a key aspect of what 631 00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:52.159 an anime is. That is the production yea style all coming from one mind. 632 00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:55.039 That makes a lot of sense, both in terms of, like, 633 00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:00.480 there's probably gonna be much more consistency there, but also in terms of and 634 00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:01.760 you're not gonna have like you said, it's not like you know, Iron 635 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:07.320 Man originally set during it is a warmonger in the Vietnam War and then in 636 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:09.599 you know, Central America and then in the Middle East, etcetera. You're 637 00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:15.199 not gonna have that. But also, like, if your intention is for 638 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:20.360 these characters to never end, that was that both opens up a lot of 639 00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:22.519 doors for character growth but also restricts them a lot because of what makes this 640 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:28.199 character interesting is this character flaw. You solve that character flaw, and well, 641 00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:31.559 now you're going to do something totally different with that character. But let 642 00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:35.320 me ask you though, because and again maybe this is just more of the 643 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:37.800 stuff that makes it the United States, and it is more of the minority. 644 00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:40.840 Part of what I think of when I think of the anime is those 645 00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:45.519 long shows, but also things like Cowboy Bebop or Uri on Ice or other 646 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:50.239 stuff like that, where is one single season and one pretty complete story. 647 00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:53.519 Are those much more the exception? Or is there a lot of those but 648 00:55:53.599 --> 00:56:00.199 just they kind of get dwarfed by the thirty season ones. I don't don't 649 00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:07.679 really know, Like what's I would have to look into, like how where 650 00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:14.079 Cowboy Bebop came from, and like how it was made, like it it's 651 00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:20.159 a series, right, like it's originally a series, because there there is 652 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:25.880 there is a lot. There are a lot of movies that get made anime 653 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:37.119 movies that get made in Japan. Series Sunrise twenty six episodes. I don't 654 00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:44.719 I don't know. I don't know why it's different. Mm hmm, my 655 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:50.679 guess would No, it is based on a manga, it says, but 656 00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.800 it was a very short run manga and it was only a year a year 657 00:56:53.840 --> 00:57:00.719 and a half hmm. So I don't know. My Without looking into the 658 00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:05.800 history of Cowboy Bebop. My guess would be that it was canceled or the 659 00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:14.119 artists like stopped for whatever reason, and that's what we get. But if 660 00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:20.440 I had the guess, yeah, it should have got kept going in the 661 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.320 in the way that I've been talking about. That's fair, But yeah, 662 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:28.280 I think that's a big thing. Like when we talk about Batman, like, 663 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:35.719 who do you credit as like making Batman who he is as a character? 664 00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:39.599 Right? Like do you go back to what's Bob Bob Kine? Was 665 00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:45.800 that right the origional the creator? Did you talk about Frank Miller who had 666 00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:52.159 like several influential books, Jeff Lowe, Grant Morrison, like these these are 667 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:57.519 all people who have worked on Batman and have had influence that other people have 668 00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:02.039 ripped off of. Yeah, but it's led to like a very chaotic character 669 00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:07.880 that often is probably inconsistent over the decades. I think even if you just 670 00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:13.760 look at just the TV and film adaptations of Batman, trying to say that 671 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:20.039 the Michael Keaton character, the Christian Bale character, and the Batman's sixty six 672 00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:24.320 character are all the same character is basically impossible. They're fundamentally different people, 673 00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:29.360 all wearing the same hood and I think that's true of the comics as well, 674 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:31.440 as you know, it's just American publishing has changed. And that's true 675 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:35.400 for Wonder Woman, it's true for Superman, it's true for Captain America. 676 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:38.679 For Ray, the character has been published over little generations that they've changed quite 677 00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:44.039 a bit. Yeah, it makes makes sense, and I think that is 678 00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:51.159 probably. As I said, a key element of anime's appeal is that you 679 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:57.000 can have a character like Goku in Dragon Ball, and like I said, 680 00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:01.280 like I grew up with this character and took a break during some of the 681 00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:06.639 mayor projects I like have recently, I watched the thing and it's like, 682 00:59:07.519 --> 00:59:12.239 Yep, that's still Goku. Like fundamentally the character is still the same, 683 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:16.599 and there's I think there's a comfort to that. Yeah. Well, and 684 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:21.000 we should definitely talk more about Goku, because all I really know about Goku 685 00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:24.360 is that he's very often paired with Superman, not even like in a story, 686 00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:28.760 but in terms of people thinking about them as very similar characters. And 687 00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:31.760 just last week we did a whole episode on the Superman type. It was 688 00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:35.760 about in an interview with Alan Moore, but also we got into a lot 689 00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:38.840 of the Superman archetype of the character who's trusted to not do anything wrong with 690 00:59:38.880 --> 00:59:43.079 his power. So might be interesting to have a conversation about that that trope 691 00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:45.159 and how does Goku fit into it, and how are they different or similar? 692 00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:53.880 Yeah? Absolutely, like Goku is like unfhasably naive and innocent, like 693 00:59:54.039 --> 01:00:00.800 especially like originally, like there was a story where a character uses a technique 694 01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:08.000 that like goes into someone's soul and expands the evil in their soul until they 695 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:14.079 blow up, And Goku didn't blow up because he had zero evil within his 696 01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:17.159 heart. Wow. Wow, Yeah, I think it'd be a great conversation. 697 01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:22.679 Maybe we can get Jessica Plummer in on that one, so our residents 698 01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:27.320 Superman Expert. Well, Wiki, this has been a fantastic conversation. Thank 699 01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:29.039 you so much, And they are the kind of last things you want to 700 01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.679 say to people. We're gonna in our bonus section do some recommendations of anime 701 01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:37.239 and some you know, maybe kind of foretellings of topics will discuss in the 702 01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:38.559 future, but just for now, any of the last thoughts you want to 703 01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:42.920 have on this conversation. I wasn't going to recommend something, so I'll save 704 01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:46.960 that. And what I will say is to you in the audience, please 705 01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:52.760 write in with feedback, because a lot of this, you know, I 706 01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:57.280 tried to do some research on what studios are actually making the things that I 707 01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.679 was watching, and like what their influences are, but a lot of this 708 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:07.840 is just like my vague impressions and opinions about anime. And and first off, 709 01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:13.039 like there's no I don't think there should be a set like box that 710 01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:15.119 we put things in. So when I you know, when I say like 711 01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:19.960 something is or is not anime, like I'm not trying to like draw clear 712 01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:23.760 lines, but but I think, like just talking about it, it feels 713 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:29.719 like there are aspects that I'm I'm sensing in them. So I would love 714 01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:36.719 to hear from you, especially if you watch like more diverse anime than I 715 01:01:36.760 --> 01:01:39.480 do, because like we didn't talk at all about like kind of the high 716 01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:45.800 school like romance drama anime, like that's that's very much its own genre that 717 01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:49.719 I don't watch it all. I know Billy is part of the sports genre, 718 01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:52.519 which is another whole thing that I have watched HIQ, which is the 719 01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:57.000 volleyball one, and I enjoy that, but even that, the way that 720 01:01:57.039 --> 01:02:04.400 the volleyball is drawn is like very action almost combat yesh, So I'd be 721 01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:07.159 curious to see, like Yuri, if they do the same thing with the 722 01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:10.840 ice dancing my my, first of all, I need to point out as 723 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:14.400 someone who has a number of people in their family who competed these sports. 724 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:20.360 Ice dancing and ice skating are two different different things. But my memory i've 725 01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:22.440 seen it a couple of years ago, is that there's a little bit of 726 01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.000 that, but most of it is hyper realistic to what they actually had, 727 01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:30.079 like professional ice skaters. They did like motion capture to like get some of 728 01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:35.519 it, and that's cool. Apparently during the Winter Olympics around the time that 729 01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:39.800 was coming out, like all the Olympic ice skaters would get together in Olympic 730 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:44.320 village and watch this together and be like, yeah, this is really accurate. 731 01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:46.480 And at least one person I know at one of the more recent Olympics 732 01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:52.239 did their ice skating routine that was basically as close as they could to a 733 01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:55.800 redoing of the finals. So to me that just cultural interlap. Is that's 734 01:02:55.880 --> 01:03:00.679 aw right? Yeah? So well if but that definitely, like you said, 735 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:05.119 lots of ways to contact us, all them on the show notes, 736 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.239 all them on the website. Let us know to think, what's your feedback, 737 01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:09.360 what's the anime you love? What's the things that you think of? 738 01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:13.480 Like, what is stuff maybe that we're not knowing about that you actually think 739 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:16.559 it's kind of anime? Similar? Pneumona is what actually that comes to mind 740 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:20.920 now that I don't know if you've seen riki that sometimes heard referred to as 741 01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.639 kind of anime? Is similar? So let us know. For the members, 742 01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:28.840 will be back very shortly with your bonus content. For everybody else, 743 01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:34.800 thank you so much, we have spoken. 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