WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.480 M disclaimer. We'd like to know before the start of this interview that the 2 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:09.160 opinions about to be expressed by the guest of tonight's Getting Salty Experience Podcast are 3 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:13.759 that of the guest and do not directly or necessarily reflect the views of the 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:33.600 host of the Getting Salty Experience Podcast. You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience 5 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:47.359 Podcast. Hello, Hell, Fat Daddy way back in the chat Welcome back 6 00:00:47.479 --> 00:00:51.759 Fat Daddy? By do we miss Fat Daddy? Right? What are you 7 00:00:51.799 --> 00:00:58.600 drinking a little? Elijah Craig? What is that? Suburban gods? They 8 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.920 were palmmering you were in the chat rola right now. That's not like you. 9 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.959 You know, I'm usually on time, but nobody called Pete. Thanks 10 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:12.840 Thanks, Gabe, reload his money gun? Those battalion cheeks. Oh worry, 11 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:15.840 we're gonna be Gabe at the Are you coming? You're not coming to 12 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:19.239 Harrisburg? Are you guns? No? No, just the I can go 13 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:23.079 away with the unless you guys are buying and maybe I'll go. When we're 14 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:26.159 going out to dinner with Gabe the first Thursday, I think Gabe Fox He's 15 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:29.799 Oh yeah, I hope he's bringing his old lady. I don't know. 16 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.920 We'll see what you have. ROSI make you tonight. You were scattered out 17 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:38.319 of you. He was quick, he was quick. I had Stu tonight. 18 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:46.920 Stu the reds dude, motherfucker got the red fall. Let me give 19 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:52.280 it, hold on, let me give it you. Oh wow, that 20 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:57.719 holy mackerel seventh head. I mean, shine on that day tonight, bro, 21 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:00.040 I gotta get We're gonna get the woman it in here and get a 22 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:06.120 puff like the big makeup grill, the big powder puff puff I made tonight, 23 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:07.280 bro, I made it. I saw that on TikTok. I mean 24 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:12.599 a giant meatball and a meat loaf. Dig out the inside. You put 25 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:17.240 sauce, you put drive pasta little cheese on it, and then you pack 26 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:22.919 it up and they have a cooked past the inside. Oh my, oh 27 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:28.719 my, guinea side came out roughly came out of nowhere. I thought it 28 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:30.599 was morning for I don't know what it is. I don't remember what the 29 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:35.159 test said it was. We got a PhD. Guy, For God's sake, 30 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:37.319 Why did you get that? How did you get that? Guy? 31 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:40.960 I gotta tell you, Fireman's got no business having a PhD. He's already 32 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:44.759 in the pre in the pre show, he was just you could just see 33 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.120 his face, like, what the hell am I doing? Like moron? 34 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:52.599 Like jump out shrimp right, like PhD, doctor fireman, you got no 35 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:57.800 business? Yeah? I think he took a chapter out of Jimmy or what's 36 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:04.280 his name, Jackie Gleason's book, What da Head is a World Common? 37 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:10.000 Yeah that's what he said. Yeah, not only that, smuck at this 38 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:14.240 big busy company has gone through a shit ton of fire. He went to 39 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:20.319 fires Bro. Yeah, some company I never heard of. Yeah twenty Yeah, 40 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:22.479 you know how way I gotta ask him. He went from two on 41 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.039 nine to one twenty in like twelve months, eleven month. I don't know 42 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.840 how that happens. Right, we had a PhD. We had a PhD. 43 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:31.719 Like, oh you you're a smucky guy. He's coming only one twenty. 44 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:37.000 He's got about twenty two kids too. So you college boy over here? 45 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:39.159 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, all right, let's play the commercial, 46 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:43.319 so we get Captain Rotans. All right, here we go. We listen 47 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:47.919 to mister New Jersey Fire. Established in nineteen thirty and under the current ownership 48 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:53.000 since nineteen eighty seven, the New Jersey Fire Equipment Company handles a complete line 49 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:59.639 of fire Department equipment and supplies. 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Come see us 82 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:48.399 at the Getting Salty booth in the hallway outside the main exhibit area Thursday and 83 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:56.800 Friday of FDIC Week April eighteenth and nineteenth, twenty twenty four. Yep, 84 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:00.319 and don't forget Friday, Big party. Fire Ninja to get cake, free 85 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:04.240 beer. Let me see it again, free beer. They got calendar girls 86 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:08.279 hanging handing out some ship. We do raffles, will raffle a some stuff. 87 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.519 They raffle a some stuff. Good time. What booth to ten thousand, 88 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:15.800 ten thousand and two, ten thousand two, ten thousand two. He's 89 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:16.800 shaking his head at me already we haven't even gotten on the road. He's 90 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:20.879 already shaking his head at me. Which it's exhausting. God, you'll see, 91 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.079 yeah, all right, as he's signing helmets and shirts and everything. 92 00:07:28.199 --> 00:07:32.560 Look at his face like I'll do it guy's coming there to see you and 93 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:38.720 you the shake the hand. I'm happy to come. I'm sure you except 94 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:40.759 for the time that he was, I say it. All right, come 95 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:45.319 up, let's bring Captain roll tents. You ready kick guns? Maybe the 96 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:47.759 smartest can we have had on the show. Possibly smart like everybody says I'm 97 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:51.680 smart, not like everybody says, you got that one guns ready? No, 98 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.279 I don't I have it. I can't find it. All right, 99 00:07:55.560 --> 00:08:05.360 all right, coming to the stage f d n Y Captain ritual Tents. 100 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:11.000 Elijah right here. Oh you got Elijah to absolutely absolutely, guys, I 101 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:15.240 feel like I'm watching one flip of cougas nestr. I can't stop. Let 102 00:08:15.759 --> 00:08:20.959 Oh my god, you we all know who's saying and who's not. Yeah, 103 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:24.560 this is the true fire house kitchen right here before we get started. 104 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.079 Kobe, Yeah, yeah, here, we gotta get patriotic. Sorry, 105 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:37.399 we got I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and 106 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:45.399 to the Republic for which it stands, One nation under God, indivisible with 107 00:08:45.559 --> 00:09:01.399 liberty and justice for all eppos, Got there, Darren says, Nail. 108 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.879 They're just like being on shift. Yeah, fat dad, He's going to 109 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:07.879 be out there too. He's right down the hole from us. Oh which 110 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:13.039 one the FDI s Yep, Darren said too much glad tonight. Yeah, 111 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:18.639 we knew that shit was coming. Yeah. Oh see he blocked it out. 112 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:20.399 Oh there we goes back, all right, Cat, welcome to the 113 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:24.159 show. Like we always do. Like to go back and some of the 114 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.720 older guys, we got to go back a little further. So we're gonna 115 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.919 go back before we know you got on even the Proby class with Chief Steve 116 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:35.120 smiling Jack over there. Let's go back even further than Let's go back to 117 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:41.200 the early days of a young Richard Rotans growing up in what would you grow 118 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:45.399 up at? See talking No, I was in the Queens, but it 119 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:50.639 was baptized in Jackson Heights and then we moved out to Flushy and went to 120 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:52.799 St. Andrews and uh to seventh grade. I was in line to be 121 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.200 a multipoy, believe it or not. But yeah, we moved out to 122 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:00.679 Setalka in nineteen sixty five. But it was just up and far, that's 123 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.559 all. My father was a cop in one of three. He's finally got 124 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:05.519 a house, a brand new Volkswagen, and he was a living in the 125 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:11.080 world in nineteen sixty five. Nineteen sixty five, he started on Jackson Heights, 126 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:15.639 then he went on to Fruishing before the Asian invasion, right way before 127 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:16.960 that, way before that. Yeah, I'm allowed to say that. It 128 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:20.960 was my wife's Asian So I got the Asian con. I could throw that 129 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.639 down Wes to sneak into Shea Stadium all the time, we thought we did 130 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.279 because the cops didn't care. Then we was watching Casey stangle in the Mets 131 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:31.879 lows all the time they sucked. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, early, 132 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:35.519 it's good right, Actually moved out to the Boonies in seventh grade. 133 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.480 Yeah, your dad's a cop, right. Any brothers and sisters, what 134 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:41.600 do you I got two brothers, Bobby and Tommy. I'm the oldest, 135 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:45.960 and we all went to school there. I mean, you know, Bobby 136 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:50.279 and Tommy were big sports guys and they were lacrosse heroes, so big time 137 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:54.360 lacrosse defense guys. And Bobby now is he owns a three hundred and sixty 138 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:58.600 five seat restaurant. Then my brother Tommy's down to Marco Island living a dream. 139 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:03.200 Not Island. That's nice. Mark Island is nice. You have Proppery, 140 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:11.919 the rough mar Island Island. Where's your brother's restaurant? Road up Virginia 141 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:16.919 and what else? He Uh, we graduated growing up, and I think 142 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.480 he's seventy nine or so. And they opened up a place right across street 143 00:11:20.480 --> 00:11:24.440 from the college. I had like three stools, a couple of tables, 144 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:28.080 and now we own the block and uh big doing very very good. In 145 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:37.320 fact, during uh to sleep he sleeps on these right that those boys Coobie. 146 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:46.639 You know man, his younger brothers don't have a pH d. Oh 147 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.679 God, I knew that was coming. Yeah, it's uh, they're doing 148 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:52.600 very good. Proud of the guys. Good for them. So what what 149 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:56.840 gets you involved in the fire service. I never had an inclination to be 150 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.440 a fireman. And you know what, my father died in sixty eight. 151 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.600 He was died in a lot of duty in one of three precinct Vietnam War 152 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.480 and cops with pigs, the whole bit, and a friend of mine, 153 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:11.720 his father worked at mine. His father got seriously injured. So we were 154 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:16.480 like pounding around together. And I took off in nineteen seventy to join the 155 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:22.039 Army Rangers and Fort Benning and the guys who waits for me from the one 156 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.840 of three precinct. They go, you kid, go back and take care 157 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:26.759 of your mother. So my mother goes, why's become a fineman? I 158 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.000 go, what? So go toe to mister Lincoln's done the block. He's 159 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.200 with the volunteers ever since. Then took off. You know. That was 160 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:39.519 seventy one one. Yeah, September seventy one and seventy one. Yeah. 161 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:43.840 It was you know, Valty Firehouse. Kind of slow, but it was 162 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:48.240 a very rapidly building neighborhood and the college turned into university. We had a 163 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:52.399 petroleum plant here with fifty huge, large tanks. We had pretty strange but 164 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:56.639 crazy responsory. We went, you know, from like seven runs a year 165 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:01.240 till I became a chief in eighty. I was a seven. We were 166 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.519 doing like two thousand. It was nuts, but I really enjoyed it. 167 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.679 I was It was a change my life. As my mother goes, yeah, 168 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:09.759 I become a fireman and I did well. So kind of work were 169 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:13.720 you doing then? Capp uh No. I when I was uh in seventy 170 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:18.879 one, I was grease monkey at one of the local garages, and I 171 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:20.919 became an EMT and a medic and I did a couple of jobs with like 172 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.039 stat ambulance and places in the Bronx and a. But I became a medic 173 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:31.320 and then also all nurse off at matt the Hospital and it was kind of 174 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.200 busy because there was no trauma center yet Tony Burke wasn't built up yet. 175 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:37.559 And uh it was good, very In fact, the women I worked with 176 00:13:37.639 --> 00:13:41.879 this is like nineteen seventy three or so, not too far into World War 177 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.159 Two. One woman was a pow the Battle of Bulge. Two nurses worked 178 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.399 in massions in Korea, and there was three girls that worked in Nam and 179 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:52.000 I really had a good experience with these tho these late they were tough. 180 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.879 They were really. I was just going to say, you had to up 181 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.600 your game there, man, oh man, you know, and let me 182 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:01.039 tell you something. Working with women, you'd be sitting there having a smoke 183 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:05.440 or a cup of coffee in the r all right, And they were geld 184 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.519 teasing because man, you're twenty one year old, stud I know what I 185 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:16.799 could do with like about It was a good learning experience, especially in the 186 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:22.480 OAR and work as a paramedic and the war. I brought that skill set 187 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.080 into the fire Service because uh, and I had all the guys coming into 188 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:30.120 the AR and working in the O that had no lung cancer and other issues 189 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:33.120 from fighting fires and so on because nobody was using packs. Then I turned 190 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.399 this to tok a fight apartment. The packs were the box in the back 191 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.600 of the rig, you know, and there was huge, huge cylinders, 192 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:45.039 and we had rubber gloves. We had plastic helmets and I'm telling you we 193 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:48.480 have You were like a matt lead helt. You were like a match ready 194 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.440 to go. Oh. It was crazy, but you know, I learned 195 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:56.159 what a couple of guys that were instructors at Yampak and and Nasaura, and 196 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:58.279 they were tough guys. They were came you know, the Navy, the 197 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:01.080 military, and uh, we were learned about you know, the Navy bayonets 198 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:05.159 and pineapples, nozzles and so on. And it's good experience. A lot 199 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:07.039 of good guys. You know, they're all past. Now. That was 200 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:11.320 fifty two years ago. So when did you take the test? I took 201 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:16.519 the test in seventy seven, and I took a bunch of guys from the 202 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.080 island, and I remember the physical fitness test was insane. They had a 203 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:24.480 ledge walk. I think you really can talk about all the time. I 204 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:30.200 built a ledge walk with me and Rake Trinkle, who was a retire cap 205 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.559 that I won seventy six. I built the guy thing in my cellar and 206 00:15:33.600 --> 00:15:35.840 I had the pack who went back and forth so many times it destroyed my 207 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:41.279 my panel panels wall. But when I took the test over it at the 208 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:45.039 Armory in Brooklyn, Boom, I beat it. I beat the nine seconds. 209 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:46.919 So then the guy goes, that's phenomenal. Can you show us again? 210 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:50.879 I go, you want me to break my ankle on it to lose 211 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.639 the job. But there was a tough test, a tough physical test, 212 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.559 and they threw it out later on because it was too hard. And but 213 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:00.080 I got on the job, you know. And you got on before that 214 00:16:00.240 --> 00:16:03.679 took place. You got in February seventy nine, right, correct, Yeah, 215 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.879 But it was freezing coldly at Randall's Island. I mean they're right there 216 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.320 in your shirts and your sneakers doing push up to like what I kill me? 217 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:18.840 No slickers, baby, that was the most grating uniform known to man. 218 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.679 Yellow slickers. What the hell? We got one with the helmet too, 219 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.639 right, So it looks like to try out for the FISHTI commercial, 220 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:37.080 the Fisherman Going and the Fisherman Jove Cluster. It was like humilitate but they're 221 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:41.440 all civil defense outfits. That's crazy, and it's like going around, but 222 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:45.000 you know, you have to do what you had to do and then yeah, 223 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.480 your own gearing on. But you know in your class hacked my life. 224 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:51.720 He's in the show a lot, is it? Yeah, comes on 225 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:53.480 the show a lot. He was by the Louis senior man in the squad, 226 00:16:55.000 --> 00:17:00.480 was he? Yeah, the squad? Who was the squad? Yeah? 227 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:06.440 You still got it? He still got it. Where are you cap? 228 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:08.119 Top left? Is that top left? Yeah, that's the baby face 229 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:12.039 there. I look at that. Look at those things. You guys didn't 230 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:15.200 actually go into fires like in training with those things, did you know? 231 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:18.119 God? No, no, no, we did. Didn't have any life 232 00:17:18.160 --> 00:17:22.839 fires back then. But we had a smokehouse and the guys were kind of 233 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:26.279 nervous about the smoke shouts. So I said, listen, guys, here, 234 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:30.279 I gave him each a piece of wet rag. Take this and follow 235 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:32.920 my lead. Now, the guy that was instructed, he had the pack 236 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:33.960 gun. You couldn't see ship. So he goes, all right, you 237 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:37.960 guys, how are you doing? Everybody would take the mad they're a rag 238 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:45.759 off. We're doing fine. We'll sing up very land. We had a 239 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:48.680 little it's like, what's going on? He opened the door, he goes, 240 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:53.279 roads, you're done because we had the rags. Otherwise we'd be dying. 241 00:17:55.319 --> 00:18:00.000 The pH D was already and it was already already. Smart he's wikish. 242 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:04.480 Smartt says what everybody says. Just a good time, really good time. 243 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:07.680 So did you know where you were going at that point? Did you 244 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.400 know where you wanted to go? Anything like that? I was asking guys 245 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:15.839 like, you know Al Jordan Godless assault he was my property lieutenant and his 246 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.799 son is now you know standard Joe John Yeah, yeah, jasonal that he's 247 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.799 had five protection engineer job odd guy. Yeah, that's my guy. Guys 248 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.400 like just to hang around together rough, you know what I mean? Do 249 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.240 you think they're gonna hang around with us? Maybe they may feel smarter, 250 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.680 that's possible. Well, I was. I was talking to a friend of 251 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:36.640 mine, Jack McCormick at the time. He was with a talking fire department. 252 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:38.960 He's lieutenant won the way he goes, I'll put you over two nine. 253 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:41.400 I had no idea what it was, and he goes, it's something 254 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:45.400 for them. We did one of two trucks time and it was a good 255 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.000 place. You know. I had the great guys who was working with there 256 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:52.039 Santiamo and Tummy Marks and godless soul. Billy McGovern who was Battalian chief. 257 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:56.960 I think he was killed in two one. Uh. Uh Joe Barbara Chief, 258 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:02.319 Barbara, Dennis Cross and uh, you know Eddie Gonzalez. A lot 259 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:04.960 of really good guys. And I enjoyed it there. And uh, my 260 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:07.920 neighbor downe the block from my parents, this guy to beat, Peter Greeby, 261 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:12.079 guy as assault. He was a lieutenant in uh one go over one 262 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:15.880 twenty eight. I go, sure, it's just a busy house. And 263 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:21.720 his two sons played the cross of my brothers, so I stopped. I 264 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:26.519 served the captain and uh and he was a good, great guy and uh 265 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:32.119 he says much caught over. And then April of nineteen eighty we I want 266 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:33.559 over the one twenty truck and I was. I mean, that was an 267 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:37.759 unfortunate year in my view. We had Fitzpatrick mc fizby killed up in all 268 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:42.799 the rope and that incident started Safety Command, which he followed, he, 269 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.480 you know, got a bunch of very smutch bat time chiefs to to investigate 270 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.400 a lot, to do the injuries and death and so on. Then we 271 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:53.799 had Devady that was killed over in three three two, and the Italian Prince 272 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:56.559 chief Toronto, he was killed on Christmas treat. We had the building clubs 273 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:00.400 run on the block from the firehouse. That was like August thirteenth, nineteen 274 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.519 eighty and uh it was very sad, yeah, in that respect, but 275 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:10.119 uh, I at one twenty was great firehouse to work a funny it's unbelievable. 276 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:12.319 But I worked with great guys like you know, Tom Cleary, Pete 277 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:18.599 McGreevey, Georgie May and Jimmy Menahan's who's absolutely nuts. Well, Louis Montea. 278 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:21.880 There had to be a wezel at some point, right, it was 279 00:20:21.960 --> 00:20:26.279 before me. It's been like five generations of what cells in that firehouse, 280 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.200 right exactly. And uh, you know I see signing. Anthony Billis said, 281 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:33.359 yes, he was trying to be funny. Public high school diploma. 282 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:41.200 I told you, you know, I really I learned a lot over one 283 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.799 twenty. Uh. We worked detailed with one seventy six truck which was insane 284 00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:52.079 two two seven on Ralph Avenue. But Uh, I enjoyed work with him. 285 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:53.799 I was trying old SAP deals. I used to play around with the 286 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:59.359 UH scale on it at drills, and I one time I was going to 287 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.160 side the building. I threw the hook of the scalelet over the roof and 288 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:04.559 its lieutenant chime, Miranda. I got him right in the ass. He 289 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:11.000 goes, take your ass, Okay, look, get over here. So 290 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:17.319 but then on one particular night we had running around. It was a busy 291 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:22.319 night and the lieutenant got hurt. So Paul mcfadd was the acting lieutenant, 292 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.240 and we got a call with one seventy six two thirty two at the time 293 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.240 before they got disbanded, and UH two two sevens coming in and we had 294 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:33.839 an old hands and arrival down Berger Street and uh, there's people out, 295 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:36.640 you know the usual, out the fire escape, everybody waving hello. You 296 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:40.400 waste my delivery. And I go around the rear because it was a vacant 297 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:42.839 rear, and I see a woman with two kids the fifth floor. Hold 298 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:45.640 them at the window. Ship So I called it in. I said, 299 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.640 listen, we got a woman at the top floor window. I know that 300 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:52.920 once my guy and one seventy sixth sense that they're going into the roof. 301 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.960 To the roof, I put the scale line. So I went from window 302 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:59.599 to window. They'll tell you about the glass. Didn't tell you about the 303 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:02.440 glass going for the second to the third and fourth floor, and two thirty 304 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:04.400 three is gonna line on me hitting the fire. But as I go up 305 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:08.680 there and I finally get the goose neck into the window, not knowing about 306 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:12.480 a kiddie bar as a climbing, it drops on the foot, so that 307 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:15.720 my ass up. It's crazy. So I finally get up there, I'm 308 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:21.160 holding mom, she's giving me the kids. Yeah exactly, and uh but 309 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:22.680 they don't tell you about the glass and something this old, you know, 310 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:29.839 well you're practicing, it's just an open window. So I got, you 311 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:33.039 know, I stabilized here and the guys from the roof they got the kids. 312 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:37.559 They brought them down and then I come in and I was pumped up. 313 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:38.960 I was pumped up. So I bring the scale out of the window 314 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:42.599 and who I bumped into with the scale and it was Lilpi goes, what 315 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:48.279 do you do with that? So you know, so the guy's rescue too 316 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:52.880 goes, what is this kid? Doing and they hear the acting deputy chief. 317 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:56.480 I forget the guy's name. It was a really great guy. He 318 00:22:56.599 --> 00:23:03.319 wrote an article on the Pine Street fire tired as a barrel commander. Anyway, 319 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:07.200 I dent the end of this a scale letter. So I come downstairs 320 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:11.599 stinting at attention. He goes, what twenty old feet the hell did you 321 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:15.559 do to the goddamn scale letter. I'm like, I'm sorry if it was 322 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.000 just an He grabs me by the head, gives me a liplock, takes 323 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:25.519 a yah. It's okay, fine. So I was going to say you 324 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:26.400 had to get a medal for that? Did you get something for that? 325 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:30.160 They wrote me up? But uh, the coz was k me and two 326 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:34.240 of the guys that wrote for old comes So, why, that's crazy. 327 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:37.640 That's the eighties. That was the eighties in one twenty right. I mean 328 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:41.759 you had to do I mean that's extraordinary. I mean that's not something like, 329 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:45.599 uh, come on, that's pretty that's pus to like that. How 330 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:48.599 many guys have done that? No, I think only seven of us is 331 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.319 eighteen sixty five, you know, and that's crazy. Another guy that did 332 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.519 it in the seventies and uh, and I grab a scaling ladder, I 333 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.680 said. When he took him off the brigs, I go, I'm gonna 334 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.559 take this home. Yeah, hell yeah. So I took it home and 335 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:06.400 they gave you the portchi of Fire Department. It's in the museum. That's 336 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:08.319 cool, you know. So yeah, but I used to like all these 337 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:11.559 weirdos, like the twenty foot hook. Remember the twenty foot hook. Used 338 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.920 to try and carry it for the end, the twenty foot hook. There 339 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:17.960 was a lot of towel lines. Oh yeah, you know. There was 340 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:21.559 a marquee. They had build an explosion around a block and the marquy was 341 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:22.799 leaning. So I told the chief chief clock, I go listen, I 342 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:26.519 get this big hook. Good. I don't want to know nothing, bitche 343 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:30.359 So me and rescue too. At the time they were there. We pulled 344 00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:33.119 the marquee. Now it worked. But I used to like, you know, 345 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:34.680 like the loud gun. All right, not to me if people realizes 346 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.480 that the loud guns at the job. So I'm in the back of the 347 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.079 rescue two quarters. It's like eighty six or so, and I got the 348 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:45.839 loud gun out and the cops are coming by and goes, what are you 349 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:48.359 guys? Car and guns for? I got ahead. They were serious, 350 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:51.720 like why do I have this rifle with me? And I explained to you, 351 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:52.720 I didn't realize what it was for. Yeah, right, yeah, 352 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:57.279 now shooting the rope on top of the Clark lights and so on. Then 353 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:02.519 we'll take it turns yeah into it? Oh sure you know? So they 354 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:04.880 the thing is with ECU goes, watch out for rescue too. The carry 355 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:07.359 guns. I don't want yeah, I don't want to get too far out. 356 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:12.200 What was it like for you, like in that area when you first 357 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:15.160 went to one twenty, Like, what was it like? You guys were 358 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.400 doing the probably the most runs in the city, right or one of the 359 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.920 top companies doing the most runs in the eighties. You had one O three, 360 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.319 one eleven, one twenty in the Brooklyn. Then you had the Bronx 361 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.799 companies and so on. It was just nuts. I mean maybe six grand 362 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:33.319 at the time. I couldn't ex tell you, but it was a lot. 363 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.200 And my first day pulling up to UH to the firehouse, they had 364 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:41.680 a fire teams. They were just like going with the fires and I showed 365 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:44.119 up and the one guy goes, we have the goddamn piece of kid, 366 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:45.920 Like, okay, you run to the back and get the piece and give 367 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.759 it to him. And I go up to the top to my locker on 368 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.759 the third floor. There's a guy on the side. There's a roof like 369 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:59.480 I sent back. He's sitting there with a sitar playing this Indian look. 370 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:04.039 As I goes, what's up, man, he was chilling. Yeah, 371 00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.559 well he uh he became an office on the job and a lot and uh, 372 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:11.119 I said, I'm just it was cool, just cool, like picking 373 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.519 avenue. I can't even imagine. I know what it was like in two 374 00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:17.400 thousand. I can't imagine what it was like. In nineteen eighty or so. 375 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:21.119 It was the kids across the street where I was playing basketball that the 376 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:23.119 kids in the neighborhood were always watching out for our cars. Never had any 377 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:27.079 problems, okay. Uh. One day I came into quarters with Jimmy. 378 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:33.680 Uh oh God, anyway, I bring it to lacrosse sticks and uh, 379 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.480 that's great, firehouse man. I just wanted to share what you're talking. 380 00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.119 Yeah, and uh across the street and uh uh Jimmy, Sony and I 381 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:45.200 are throwing around the ball with lacrosse sticks and the kids in the neighborhood go, 382 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:48.599 what is that They never see lacrosse stick. So I show the kids 383 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:51.799 lacross, like show them to played the you know, back and forth. 384 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:53.519 The following week they all have sticks that they were well one of these balls 385 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.119 at each other. They were good. You know, they're really good. 386 00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:00.440 But uh, you know, I at one one. You know, the 387 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.839 thing I liked about one twenty besides the work. Every time we went to 388 00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:07.839 a job, Peter McGreevy or the captains, whoever it was, they were 389 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:11.160 always talking about the job there at the scene. I don't care if it's 390 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.960 ice, storm, snow, whatever the case, hot day or whatever. 391 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.759 You're going over everything. Yeah, yeah, And uh, we learned to 392 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:23.000 use tools and used to our most important tools our brain and uh, you 393 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.920 know, how to pick up a car with a tire and a tire irondor 394 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.240 and a ladder, you know, things like that nature, you know, 395 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:33.640 and using the the closet door instead of a door into the room for a 396 00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.640 guy to put a backboard because it's much narrow in the window. Things of 397 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.519 that nature. That wow, you know, that was very basic to uh, 398 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:45.400 to the field. And we had really you know, great offices there. 399 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.519 I mean I would sit there and talk to the chief clerk and chief 400 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.759 common like four o'clock in the morning, you know, And one morning I 401 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:57.240 hear may they may They made ay on our radios of personal radios, like 402 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.559 go ahead to mayday. The guy went down into our cellar for the outside 403 00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:06.799 entrance. He stole radios and he's cold and day days of the projects because 404 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.279 so who at the house watch I don't know, but the guy went down, 405 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:12.880 took a couple of radios and screaming may day, and they finally caught 406 00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:19.599 the guy. But you know, things of that nature. But we had 407 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:25.079 Teva Greeby poll Jetta, Oh my god, Bill Beacie was a bit in 408 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:30.559 chief. Clark Telamundo who passed away. Uh, yeah, Boundman was the 409 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.400 captain the ins when I got there. Then Brendan McCormick was the captain. 410 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:37.519 Uh. Just a handful of great guys. It's they were just marvelous. 411 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.039 We were always training. But the jokes were just you know, some of 412 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.559 the fine I thought it would great, like Louis Monteion. He's like this, 413 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.880 they're speaking of Louis right there. He got Paro called Parot to the 414 00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:53.279 right, and the guy that's resting on the rick I forgot. I can't 415 00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:59.039 remember his name. But they were all really good guys and always training. 416 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:02.880 Like I said, these guys were working with you correct, Uh two three 417 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:04.480 of the guys. Yeah, okay, cap You know what I was just 418 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:08.279 think like back then, you guys wouldn't have to drill so much. You 419 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.599 would think because you were going to so much work, you know that you 420 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.920 probably would you know, you would run a rest or whatever because you were 421 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.079 going from job to job. But the more guys we get on, that's 422 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.799 almost the exact opposite. It seemed like guys were talking about fire all the 423 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.039 time, right all the time all the time, like you know, like 424 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:29.799 the officer like the griev jedder Or or Bobby Babstarck with a captain at one 425 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:32.599 time he came out of rescue for he was a really good guy him and 426 00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:37.039 should be Basil the wolf at a eleven to be Basil. They were both 427 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.640 nurses and he found out that was a nurse and they had their own business 428 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.000 though. But uh, Bob, Bob Sack was a tough captain and he 429 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:45.599 goes, Dicky, Dicky, take care of your body because your mind's fucked 430 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:53.599 up. He was a good captain that had Nick Wisconti who travel through. 431 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.039 Yeah, yeah, but they came. I came into work all right, 432 00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:02.119 and I had my wife gave you a sweater as I do only worked. 433 00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.160 One said snowflakes on it. It's like going the court of I don't cap 434 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:10.279 get out, don't ever come in here with that again. My god, 435 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.279 they had. It's just the last of Swiss. But the training didn't matter. 436 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.119 If how busy you were, what did you do? Rotans, what 437 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.039 did you do? Kenny Art? What did you guys do? Why? 438 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.680 What was your screw ups? Why were you this particular safe? But you 439 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.279 were that did you were on trial that everybody wanted to know what you were 440 00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:30.680 doing at the time, and uh it was. It was really good. 441 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:36.559 And the kitchen at a time we talked about the jobs, constantly talking about 442 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:41.039 it. Except for this one guy, uh Pete, I'll remember his name 443 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:44.079 a few minutes. Was a big guy. He always loved his uh this 444 00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.039 gambling, his horses, and he's bet on the hose call Dumby dumb dumb, 445 00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:51.920 and the guys are laughing about this guy. He put one thousand dollars 446 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:56.519 in nineteen eighty one thousand dollars. That's crazy, dump it's great he won. 447 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:02.640 Wow. He put in the big guy, big guy. He seem 448 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:04.599 not won a lot of money. But but he was a tough guy, 449 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:07.759 big guy that you know, there is always one gambler right out out of 450 00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:12.680 all the guys. It's always like one degenerate. There's always a degenerate. 451 00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:21.440 Correction I stand corrected the Uh. We had this one fellow, Tom Cassio, 452 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:25.559 great guy. I used to terrorize this guy to end. He would 453 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:27.960 fall asleep and a busy night and I would tape his bed. It was 454 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:30.640 with the duct tape and he couldn't couldn't even get up, and I would 455 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.720 stead at the end of the dead light into the dead. You know. 456 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:41.200 But uh, it's that they had this one guy, Bobby west Ball is 457 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:42.640 a Q ball. He was a nice guy. He came in one night 458 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.880 from a party. He was really he was out of it. So he 459 00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:49.599 always wore a two pay. So the guys with the fishing you know clips 460 00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.960 with the fishing line, you know, hold onto his too pay. They 461 00:31:52.960 --> 00:32:01.200 would the engine work down down the Paul exact nature. And you know, 462 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:06.799 but you look for the you know, you can't shoke anybody your weakness because 463 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:08.440 they'll just capitalize it, you know. But it's like a gazelle, right, 464 00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:13.079 a bleeding gazelle in the savannah. Oh my god, like the lions 465 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:17.119 and the tigers and everything. We had this one guy from uh it was 466 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.720 it was it was a detail. It was kind of weird detail. Its 467 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:24.599 a one thirteenth truck. It was a different battalion, and uh, the 468 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:29.440 guy's called us up. It goes. This guy is very queasy. So 469 00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.119 you really can't talk about getting sick death the other thing I sold you to 470 00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:37.240 know. So, uh, this guy uh not called for a coffee. 471 00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:44.559 He had a bag of stew. He's going, he's this guy's now it's 472 00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:50.079 turning white. Go you okay, you're all over the table. Everybody chipped 473 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.519 in, I'll take this to me, this piece and this just carrots. 474 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:57.400 You know. The guy just you know, went to you gotta love it. 475 00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.119 That's a good one guy before you you went to one twenty, had 476 00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:05.079 the guys in two on nine and one oh five field ORIOC. When you 477 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:12.880 when you left it one two, well you know it was uh, I 478 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.519 was getting uncoupled about it. But the lieutenant, you know, but the 479 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.039 officer said you'd make it a good move there was no room in one or 480 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:22.000 two, so that was like a little excuse for the big right. And 481 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:23.519 uh, but the guys in injury, they all wish be well, you 482 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:27.160 know, they didn't have any other moss. And the chief said, you 483 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:30.160 know good, he picked up pervaccas with the captain. He goes, I 484 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.039 did you go into one twenty twenty to come back? That's what he was. 485 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.680 But you know, there wasn't a bit of problem the guys in one 486 00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:38.559 or two, two and nine, dude, gentleman, you know, and 487 00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:43.440 there is another firehouse, but like two O nine, if we did twenty 488 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:46.160 five other runs a year, yeah, there wasn't that much. We ran 489 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:50.920 it with the you know what two eleven that were too ten. Once in 490 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.039 a while we'd run it with two fourteen. Then out house right, you 491 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:57.759 know, and uh, it was good on top of each other over there. 492 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.519 Well that's why too A nine's gone, correct, you know. They 493 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:05.440 they took away to two O nine and the three four battalion. I covered 494 00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.400 in one O two quite a bit, and I cannot say how many times 495 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:12.440 the truck went out without the engine, like we would go out of quarters, 496 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.400 make a right, make a left, and go towards one eleven every 497 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.960 time, and uh, that's what you know. They talk about how many 498 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.000 engines are around one eleven? For God's sakes, right, they're surrounded by 499 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.199 engines over there, right, two thirty five and to all those companies. 500 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.039 I had a guy. I'm looking at the guys and I was this big 501 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.480 strapping guys. They just Mikey's teaching me how to use the computer because we 502 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.880 were transit for the bells and I had to get used to the bells, 503 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:39.559 you know, one two, two foot five, one two all way to 504 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:44.079 ten and nine like right? Two night goes right, and he goes, 505 00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:45.960 this is what you do when you get the run? You go ten to 506 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:50.519 four cent? Okay, how hard could that be? One O two is 507 00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:54.039 out in the road ten four sending I had ten to send it. They 508 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.239 had no idea. They go to a run now here brooking to one o 509 00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.719 two? Well too, because where are you go? That's what you said? 510 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.719 Ten four? Because what do you got? Second a moment arrival Cherry 511 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:08.800 Bob bears the lieutenant comes home. He goes, your house, watch I 512 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:13.360 do alone? How's it going? You do that again? I will destroy 513 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.760 you? What do I do? Explains me, goes you don't do ten 514 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.400 Force said, you just let it go. Let it go right. I'm 515 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:21.840 trying to do the right thing. I'm hitting the bells. Truck goes to 516 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.440 Hey, guys, the guys in the chat we're talking. I saw a 517 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:30.000 little bit and we've talked about this on the show. Like when you know, 518 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.079 nowadays, if you screw up at a job, like going back to 519 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.079 what you were saying, like everybody would talk about what you did at a 520 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.119 job, right, and then if you screwed up, hopefully in a good 521 00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.320 way, the guys would put you on the track and say, this is 522 00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:45.599 what you're supposed to be doing, right, and you could come back pretty 523 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.039 quick in your time, Like you could have a job in an hour, 524 00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:51.280 right, and you can make up for it. Somebody else would be on 525 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.639 the hot seat right nowadays, you screw up, it could be weeks, 526 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:58.960 months, who the heck knows before you get an opportunity to redeem yourself. 527 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.159 You know, we talk about that, like you guys had that you could 528 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:07.280 screw up and then and then well, one of my biggest skew ups, 529 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.840 okay, I had two buildings roaring on a very hot summer day on Howard 530 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.599 Avenue, and I had the roof. First time. I got the roof. 531 00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.960 All right, So I look, I got three buildings. I'm thinking 532 00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.920 three buildings, there's only two. So this jack cane for one O three 533 00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:25.519 and post it for one O three and they're standing at the hooks and I'm 534 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:29.480 cutting. They going good job. And I did this the coffin cut. 535 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.400 I did every cut by the book. I pulled thing up. Jack was 536 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:39.519 going, this kid's great. I'm in the wrong goddamn building. I punched 537 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:43.639 off the ceiling down as a guy. That big strap in Math for America 538 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:49.440 goes, what I'm gone, I'm real. Oh yeah, that was one 539 00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:54.559 of my brighter days. But I learned fast to make sure. Yeah that's 540 00:36:54.800 --> 00:37:00.360 one for the books. When did when did you start even thinking about were 541 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.039 you studying at all at this point or you weren't studying. I was always 542 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.840 hitting the books just to learn the job, okay, just basically training manuals, 543 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.480 some of the aucs, some of the safety mandals, just to like 544 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.760 to know. I've always had this fear. I mean, especially when I 545 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:16.239 was working in the hospital. I was constantly reading you want to make sure 546 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:21.519 I make sure I got the right or equipment for that particular patient. So 547 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:23.559 I always not to be perfectionist, but I just wanted to do the right 548 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:27.760 thing. And uh. And then eventually in one twenty, like the later 549 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:30.960 years, we had a bunch of study groups. You got to realize Al 550 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:36.599 Hay, Jimmy Menahan, Georgie Meyer, we all became the chiefs or commissioners, 551 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.440 whatever the case may be. And uh, it was a great study 552 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:43.039 group. And we called Jerry Tracy went away going back and forth, what 553 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.000 did you hear about this? And what information you have this? It was 554 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:47.760 so like the last year when I went to perform with the Rescue two, 555 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.880 who got pretty heavy. They when I went to Rescue two, I started 556 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:54.480 the study groups over there. So who you had to go was down he 557 00:37:54.599 --> 00:38:00.519 was there at the time, right down. That was uh, John Vigiano 558 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.760 Richardson and uh, I don't think of the other guys think, but there 559 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.559 were it was a good place. But we were in Calton Avenue and uh 560 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:12.039 with two ten engine you know, And that was the pain, the ass 561 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:14.559 every time you got to go back and forth and move the rig out of 562 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:20.280 the way and so on. It was but that was a good fires I 563 00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.119 had. Yeah, that's one twenty Where the hell was this? I believe 564 00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:27.039 that was on I was looking it over look at the background. I think 565 00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.679 that was on Junior Street. Somebody sent me this, let me I'd have 566 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:32.960 to look. Uh who said it to me? I guess they used to 567 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.440 ride or they they used to ride one twenty and they took this picture. 568 00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.400 He said that he was at a job or something like that. It could 569 00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:44.280 have been. I'm just standing there holding onto the bulkhead. Yeah. Uh, 570 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:46.519 the old grief, the yellow flesh lights there on the side there. 571 00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.119 Yeah, and I had my elevator keys on my helvet. But I believe 572 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.280 that it's nineteen eighty one. They don't call him on two otis for nothing. 573 00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:01.119 We had. It was an elevator school from the House of Department in 574 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:05.960 that in our response area, and su was going there. We were going 575 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:09.440 there and he goes the great class, really good class. So when do 576 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:14.679 you decide that you want to make the move to two. I was talking 577 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.039 to Dennis Mohica got rest of soul, all right, Dennis went over two 578 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:22.239 one twenty to rescue two. Now I'm talking to him. Johnson for one 579 00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.599 seventy six, Mike Penville one seventy six and Uh. You know. I 580 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.440 was talking to Bob Bapstock. He goes, Richie, you gotta go. 581 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.119 You're a hearts still instructor. You're a nurse. He did some rigging. 582 00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:34.519 You fit the picture, so why don't you go? So I went to 583 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.000 see, uh, Downey, how you doing. You're shaking his head. 584 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:39.960 Okay, very good, Well we'll get back to you. By the time 585 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.519 I got back to Cortas, Bapstock goes, you must impress him. You're 586 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.599 going over there next Tuesday. That's right. We had him on the show 587 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:50.599 The cap in two Rights. Yeah, yeah, he was great. Thes 588 00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:52.880 Uh where's he living now? Because he wasn't seldom long Island. I think 589 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.519 he goes back and forth of Florida, doesn't he wrough? I think, 590 00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.840 yeah, I gotta get a hold of him. He's uh, I'll get 591 00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:02.400 you number. Smart guy. Really enjoyed working with him because, you know, 592 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.800 both nurses in the basil of the wolf and uh. I asked the 593 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:08.360 guys when I was in two or nine, because he used to cover one 594 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:10.679 or two come out of one eleven? They go, what do they call? 595 00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:15.239 The wolf was watching me? He came in, He came in, 596 00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:22.519 He came in with a plate of six cooked chickens. I got a lot. 597 00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.840 That's good for the meal because it's mine. I got he ate all 598 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:29.760 of them, He ate all four chickens, and like, how does this 599 00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:37.559 guy liveblable? But Jenny Bazil we had we had a bunch of pinchers on 600 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:38.719 the roof. I forget the guys used to fly him all over the place. 601 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.920 But uh to be Basil was good and Bob Babistark, they had a 602 00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.360 company together. They did, you know, I think medical equipment back and 603 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:50.199 forth. And then we asked me questions, goes they using his face with 604 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.079 tractors day in the hour? They still do. So we had that little 605 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:58.559 commonaliti there. But Bobby was a great guy. But that's then they went 606 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.559 to Rescue two and uh so you went the following week. Who who what 607 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.239 are the other guys that were working there when you went there? Over rescue 608 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.480 was David van Vost and we went to propaty school with you know, with 609 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:14.320 your brother, Pete Harris, Dennis Moheka, Terry hatt and Patty Brown, 610 00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.840 Jay Fishler right down he of course Billy Huis in al steinhad Jack Lee House. 611 00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.400 Wow. Mike Penner was the bitch there then too. Witch was Uh, 612 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.159 I'm sitting there and he comes in the kitchen and I stand up and 613 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.360 going goes, so, who are you what you got chance for one twenty 614 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:36.039 walked away like all right, I get to watch stuff like that. So, 615 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:38.880 uh, later on the the role call it like I said, I 616 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:44.280 was from City Island something from well, yeah, from him in one O 617 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.719 three and so on. But uh, but they were great guys, and 618 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.840 uh I missed them all. I mean, uh, Jay Fisher, I 619 00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:52.800 don't think J Fishler. We're trying to get him on the show all the 620 00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:54.920 time. At the show, he won't come on. I'm gonna tell you 621 00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:59.559 J Fisher story awesome. We're gonna hit him with it. Yeah, and 622 00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:01.320 he loves it too. I mean he suffered from bed lungs and all the 623 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.559 stuff. But we he gets on, he goes, hey, how you 624 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:06.519 doing, kid, how are you doing? You got the chauffe Yeah, 625 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.679 so you were talking back and forth about the drill from the rounderberg and uh. 626 00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.239 We get a job to go to a third a lawm in downtown Brooklyn, 627 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:16.719 way down right. So we get to the job and I'm fieling them 628 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:19.840 out. He's feeling me out and he was pretty good. You know, 629 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.119 he was a good officer on stuff. So he' back. So he goes, 630 00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.679 Uh, so where you from rich talking? Oh yeah, so you 631 00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:30.239 know my brother? You know your brother? Yeah, the officially it is 632 00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:31.400 the commissioner out in the campigre. You go, whoa wait a minute, 633 00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:35.119 wait a minute. You're a Jewish guy from Saint James. I thought you 634 00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:42.800 were getting from Brownsville ball. So, uh he's doing good. And uh 635 00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:46.400 I love the death because his brother was the commissioner for Friends Fires Commercy Service. 636 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:50.760 And I talked to that Dave on and off and he's a smart guy. 637 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.679 In fact, he can't when we see him. He starts telling stories 638 00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:57.119 bubbling out of him, right, But we say, come on the show. 639 00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:59.840 He says, talk to my agent. I can't knock him up. 640 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.840 Crazy. He says, yeah, I talked to my make it set it 641 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:06.719 up with my agent. But he won't. You sit here and tell me 642 00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:10.079 stories when you're in my boots. You can't. It's bubbling out of him, 643 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.679 you know. Yeah. And then he marries Terry and then they have 644 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:16.599 a boy, and their boy I think was born at the same time as 645 00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:22.400 your twins. In two thousand and two. Twins are born in two thousand 646 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.199 and two, and his son is about the same age. The same with 647 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.880 Terry Hatton and Beth. They have a girl, Terry, who was born 648 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:35.079 in May of two thousand and two. So yeah, Jay is uh he's 649 00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.599 part a character, very smart, very smart guy. Always yeah good. 650 00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:43.480 I'll call him up get bus and balls, will you without a doubt, 651 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.360 no problem. He's gonna say, talk to my agent. Agent. I'm 652 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:50.880 gonna say, hey, Ja, this is your agent. You we made 653 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:57.000 an appointment, we scheduled, schedule, schedule. Uh so I got five 654 00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:01.079 stories for rescue two well rescue we were I first thought it was in Carlton 655 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.760 Avenue there for about six months or so, and uh, I just was 656 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.119 infatuated by the work that we're going to and uh down he tells me. 657 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.840 He goes, listen, we're going to move the firehouse. We're going to 658 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.480 Bergen Street. You know. I just go yeah, I know, it's 659 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:17.400 pretty sure there is connected me. He because I want to go down there 660 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.239 in size up the building for us. So I go down there and uh, 661 00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:23.280 I see a lot of African American kids. It was one of those 662 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:28.760 uh oh, that's sent a fire unit. They go and clean up salvage. 663 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.840 Yeah yeah, ye salvage there and uh I hear it. The cap 664 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:37.039 comes downstairs. Nice guy goes who there for? You? Did? Want 665 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:38.920 you go to his rescue too? Because you guys aren't moving here. I 666 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:43.440 don't give a right stairs. This is a very famous firefight unit. And 667 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:49.000 looking around and the kids that the kids are going like not but uh, 668 00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:53.480 we moved into Bergen Street and uh it was a small firehouse and the rigg 669 00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:57.199 backed into the courts. I'm like, this is gonna capid. You got 670 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.639 like three inches on each side. Literally, Oh my god. But that's 671 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.639 what we've moved in there. And I think I sent you a picture of 672 00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.599 the guys in front of Burger Street firehouse, you know, all the rescue 673 00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.679 two and uh, you know you did just send me that one. If 674 00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.079 you send it to me, I'll pull it up. I was trying to 675 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:16.880 find I didn't see that test on to me. That's it right. Anyway, 676 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:21.920 Uh, we had Glenn Harris was working there. He was just insane. 677 00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:23.719 Glenn. I just talked to him the other day, did you I 678 00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:29.719 did? He used to do a thousand set ups every day every day and 679 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:31.719 he who would you want coming for your cap? I need to say, 680 00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:36.519 Glenn Harris, we have the old school firehouse. But I'm just fent in 681 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:40.679 the meantime until Coop sent me that Glenn Harris he is uh. He was 682 00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:45.159 a tough guy. He really was tough. You know his father Chief Harris, 683 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:49.480 and the other fellow another but another chief. They were both engineers. 684 00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:53.199 They designed the rock And I was sitting there one time talking to his father 685 00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.880 and he goes, you know how tower Wan is in building one with all 686 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:59.519 the classes article, Yeah, do you know why it's made that way? 687 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.400 You have a clue. He goes that building one faces the Empire State Building 688 00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:08.199 and it's designs a trappezzour. So if they bomb us and nuclear power up 689 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.599 on nuclear bomb, it's been had over the Pire State Building, it will 690 00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:15.159 deflect off this building. Oh my goodness. But Chief, who's good to 691 00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.599 be left? Because I don't give a ship. We just filled it that 692 00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:23.880 way, plant it will be left that's left. But Glenn was he was 693 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:28.159 tough. It was a very tough fieman. He's just he made a Halligan 694 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:30.280 tool that was six and a half feet long and he drolled a hole through 695 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.800 it, like go do you do with this? Happened to be there to 696 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.119 drill like a six story h side. Just watch he puts it up, 697 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.760 the window, throws his over bond, he skills out. Where's he going? 698 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:44.440 I've seen that guy do some crazy stuff. Man. Yeah, but 699 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:50.639 uh, they called him, used to call him goathead. That was doctor 700 00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:58.400 Dick. He was gouthead. I asked the captain and we used to we 701 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:01.000 used to ask there was Dick Fray was in two ninety was my chauffeur. 702 00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:04.880 And the guys used to hit him. I mean every day, Hey, 703 00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.039 you got any gum on your dick? I mean she never got old. 704 00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:12.559 It was just yeah, but I had, you know, like Terry Hatt, 705 00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.360 this is serious. Okay, Okay, Terry, how you doing you 706 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:19.320 doing? Terry? Okay? So we started talking to uh, you know, 707 00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:22.480 study for lieutenants. You know, we became good friends. And Patty 708 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:27.679 Brown all day long he's hitting the bag. You know, it's like he's 709 00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:30.639 always hit the punchry bag with a good box box. All right, very 710 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:36.400 good. And uh his brother became a doctor I think up in Boston. 711 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.559 Michael passed away. Yeah, we just did a show on. We had 712 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:45.440 a sister on and Chief J. Jones. We did a tribute Showlda to 713 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:51.199 Patty Brown. Yeah, good guy, Patty Man. Yeah, and he 714 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.559 was working in the that I think that's not him, right, he's the 715 00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:58.199 one that you sent me. I wanted to make sure that I'm not that 716 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.440 particular. We were coming from a face fire. I forget what happened there. 717 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:07.760 The guy that was riding with us, he was a priest from Pennsylvania, 718 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.360 really nice man, and he was just, you know, seeing how 719 00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:13.599 things are going with the fire service. And he took that shot and said 720 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.480 it to me. I think it was like it's see in nineteen eighty five. 721 00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.599 Yeah, I would say, Cap, what do you think, Like, 722 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:23.559 what was the difference? I mean, you were in one twenty, 723 00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:28.519 for God's sakes, in the early eighties, late seventies, early eighties. 724 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:34.199 How much more work? Asked that question? Really, where you're going to, 725 00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.119 Like you've seen a big difference in the amount of work you were going 726 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.760 to. Well, there was a difference because we were That's all we went 727 00:48:39.800 --> 00:48:44.239 to was work. We didn't get elevated jobs. We didn't go to any 728 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:45.840 you know, ten ninety twos and stuff like that. When we went out 729 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:50.440 the door, it was going into a pin job or we're going through like 730 00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:59.800 this, Yeah that's pay route burning the blocks out. Yeah. It was 731 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:04.280 uh different work because we showed up to the job, especially in Brown's lilt 732 00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.599 bedstidos places like that. We didn't expect to go to work. All right. 733 00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.559 It's you know, the companies there were just top right, We're going 734 00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.280 to one twelve's first student nat and we're just gonna show up and say can 735 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.079 we do anything for you? Can we sweep the floor whatever. But we 736 00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:20.400 got I tell you, I heard these heard stories that yeah, somebody's companiesill 737 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:22.400 leave the hostline for you get the lot of it. We went to a 738 00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:27.239 few jobs where they did, and I just I couldn't believe it, but 739 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.719 uh, you know it. We went all the way down as Benson Harris. 740 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.199 We went down to uh we had a dives job on Manhattan Beach where 741 00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.400 a guy was driving a pipe of cup pulling a hot dogs and he read 742 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:42.079 the guests strolled into the water and do you pull his body out? You 743 00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.880 know the dive teams, and the dive teams say it was Patty Trent. 744 00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:49.559 I used to walk clean underneach bouts and port your father, you know, 745 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.880 dollar a foot and making a couple of bucks. The one thing when you're 746 00:49:52.880 --> 00:49:55.400 in a dive team and you go under water, you're done. No high 747 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:59.320 rise fires, no nothing, you're done for the tour because there's smoke in 748 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:00.760 relation that you. I mean, we won't even down like forty feet. 749 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:05.519 But yeah, we lost one guy in training. We lost one guy who 750 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.679 had killed their training. His name was Dave, trained up in New Jersey. 751 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:12.280 Went down one hundred and fifteenth feet and he knocked out. They were 752 00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.320 not poses, but uh the yeah, huh, I were just saying good 753 00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:20.880 night. Yeah, the uh, the dive team. So I thought it 754 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.039 was very impressive with the cops. I mean they were just you know, 755 00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:27.199 primo, and they trained all the time. And uh once in a while 756 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.000 we run into we exchanged information back and forth because we used to argumentze the 757 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:34.679 full face mace and we had the bone mics that we could communicate to each 758 00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.239 other. And uh, yeah, it was Uh that was a good experience 759 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.079 working with the dive team. And we had only a few jobs. I 760 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:44.159 mean, if they got we got called to a dive job. It's basically 761 00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.079 for recovery. That was about it. But the main emphasis behind the dive 762 00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:51.360 team was to back in the thirties and forties when they built they developed the 763 00:50:51.440 --> 00:50:54.840 dive teams was to under under peer firefighting and who used to train on these 764 00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.719 piers and these piers are thick, like I see why they had a stick 765 00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:05.199 because we used to shovel these long PPC pipes on floats to spray waterneath the 766 00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.920 periods. We trill on that and it was kind of it was kind of 767 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:09.679 a unique situation. You said, you worked at the marine units. You 768 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:14.760 worked with PD Aviation, so it was different because you don't do that normally 769 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.920 from other companies. You stayed to your ownly sponsor if you went basically citywide. 770 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:21.679 A few high rise fires, which was kind of weird, and we 771 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.639 trained with the birds picking us up at the Central Park and flying us over 772 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:29.119 a couple of high rise where they would potentially drop us. And the cops 773 00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.400 said we would go in first. I go, why is that crowd control? 774 00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:35.320 Keep the people away from you folks, and you commitment on top of 775 00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:37.920 the roofs. So did a lot of good work with the issue. No 776 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:40.920 problems at all. That's funny. We used to say the same thing. 777 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.440 Roof the further we drive, even though you're driving further, like towards Long 778 00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:50.880 Island. The biggest we would do more, just do more. Well, 779 00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.840 those companies were spread out a little bit more too, I think, you 780 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:57.400 know, when you think about it, even though we're going a long way, 781 00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.559 those companies were spread out, you know, even in I'm sure I 782 00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:02.000 don't know how close they are. They're not. They're not in South Brooklyn. 783 00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:06.599 They're not as close as they are, you know in you know, 784 00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:08.679 Bushwick or whatever. Right, So well, you look at the map of 785 00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:15.199 Brooklyn and map of Brooklyn and Manhattan. You can see how the department evolved 786 00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:19.440 where the population was most of Brooklyn and crease of farmland, right, you 787 00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.760 know, And when you go but I tell you, but I got promoted 788 00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.599 at the rescue two and I'm jumping a little ahead of here. The first 789 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:31.039 my first tour was in three thirteen. Yeah, talk about in the middle 790 00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.480 of nowhere, right, I mean, there's a forest on the ground the 791 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.760 road, right, I show up. It's a Sunday morning. I'm all 792 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:39.760 pumped up. And right across do you have a travel apires floor is a 793 00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:44.800 bunch of ducklings goad across. Church bells are ringing and there's the cemetery. 794 00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.119 That's right, to take a forest over a bird sanctuary to the right, 795 00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:52.079 right. I was talking. Yes, it goes where you go out to 796 00:52:52.079 --> 00:52:55.679 Douglaston. So the guys at the house watch and they signed you know, 797 00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:59.039 the tenor road tans and so on. The guy was you know, he 798 00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:04.559 goes, oh, you must have came on the job my grandson. It 799 00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.840 was a time the old time is I think the kid was sixty years old. 800 00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:13.119 Yeah, going to back and you know the uh, the guy go, 801 00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.119 we do house watch in the kitchen. That's fine with me, whatever 802 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.880 you want to do it. When in Rome. Yeah, so uh, 803 00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:24.119 I'm looking at the book and the book is saying that, uh, how 804 00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.559 many runs they had? It was very very little runs. So like one 805 00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.159 o'clock and at the noon at a nice little tiny lunch you know, with 806 00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:36.400 the sausage and peppers and the chicken. There you go. So we gotta 807 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.960 run. It was three three and all these companies. So I get on 808 00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:51.199 a rig. Where am I? So we get on a rig, wait 809 00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:57.199 and dry drive. You know, are we in Nasa County? Yeah, 810 00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:00.639 Marathon Boulevard, Like where are we going? So we pull up. We 811 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:06.239 got a ranch, ranch house you got to what is showing fire? So 812 00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:07.639 I call it, you know, I call the whole hands of the arrival 813 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:12.159 because I know how long these are. The companies have gone. So the 814 00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:15.159 guy go to the I go to the door, popped the doorway into your 815 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:20.039 company, and I'm looking. They're coming and they finally get to the door. 816 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:22.199 All right, turn turn the water on, turn the water on a 817 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.880 right, So we go in, make it right, and they put out 818 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:30.559 through the fire. The guys are good. I hear the sore on top 819 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:32.400 of the roof. You know, they knocked the fires down. And I'm 820 00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:37.199 looking around. You don't find anybody. I come outside of the time. 821 00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:43.079 She goes, where's the company? He's laughing. He goes, they walked 822 00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:47.239 home. They were calling special in the company to pick up your host. 823 00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:52.960 He walked home. You can't make it up. You really can't make it 824 00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:55.800 up. I think at that time, cap right. A lot of the 825 00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:59.760 old time is when they were going out right, when they were close to 826 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:02.079 it, timing, or they wanted to just if they worked in busy places, 827 00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:05.920 they would They all came from Long Island. Most of the time. 828 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:07.679 They would go out to those those houses out there and they would stay out 829 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:13.239 there, right, and that that was kind of like the retirement. Yeah, 830 00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:15.639 you know, like they were the one guy told me, goes, 831 00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:17.599 listen, you command of Rescue. I don't care if you came out of 832 00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:22.239 the Slow Company. You're young and stupid. We're old and stupid taking easy 833 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.119 others with me. I'll just I'm meeting my bow and knees, you know. 834 00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.280 But then I started covering, you know, I started covering to Rescue 835 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:35.320 four. I started covering has Matt you know, and Hassman eight with Ninja 836 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.000 Company back then, and then I, uh, I was working at night. 837 00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:42.119 I was working at the tour in twoty eight when Tommy Williams was killed. 838 00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:46.480 He's a great guy. Yeah. Anyway, you know, getting back 839 00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:50.960 to rescue. Uh it learned a lot all different tools, like a lot 840 00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:53.360 of gun you know, and uh, the you're working with the Hurst tool 841 00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:58.079 and all these other issues that I enjoyed working with you guys, like working 842 00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:05.000 with the hurstel. Huh. Well the training when you can, I say, 843 00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.920 what did that happen? It was just a picture. I found him 844 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:08.719 like, oh, this is great for the hurstele and you guys are cutting 845 00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:12.679 up training. So I was like I wanted to ask you, cap when 846 00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:15.480 when you when it came time to get promoted, because you're only there a 847 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:20.599 couple of years, right, and did you want to take the promotion or 848 00:56:20.679 --> 00:56:22.920 did you have any like you were taking the promotion or did you have em? 849 00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:25.960 Yeah, you know because they got the with Jack Lee House and you 850 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:30.239 know, Charlie Williams and a lot of good guys. Uh Joey Pfeiffer was 851 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:34.960 under our class. Joey smart guys like he's on a job now as the 852 00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:39.519 commission the commissioner. Yeah, but uh I it was a good training program. 853 00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:44.800 Flips was great. We had guys from Rome and Buffalo and Albany that 854 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:47.719 at least to call the the cowboys, and uh, I mean the guys 855 00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:51.719 who were just heartless after the annoy guys whore just hordless. But the guys 856 00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:54.159 of State took it his dride and they had this one full of from Buffalo 857 00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:58.280 and he had a lazy eye. Do I go back and forth looking at 858 00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:05.239 me exactly all all the cliches that were just busting his chops exactly until one 859 00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:07.840 day we we're talking about lone to deaths, all right, We're talking, 860 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:12.639 you know, talking about Tolmundo fitz Petrick Fisby, and then he gets up 861 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.800 and he had one of he's all Southern drawers from Buffalo. So everybody's like, 862 00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.480 wait for this guy. He talked about the five guys that got killed 863 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.400 in the propaid explosion and the way he described with the chief of the piece 864 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:25.639 of two by four, this neck, the whole bit. There wasn't a 865 00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:30.079 dry eye in the house that night. We all got drunk with the guys 866 00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:34.159 from Buffalo. Okay, it was just a I mean, there's a learning 867 00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:37.679 process that no matter where you are, I don't care what you're in Roanoak 868 00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:42.639 or you're in Seattle. You're on a job, you know what. A 869 00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:45.559 friend of mine, Vick Dorman, he was rescued. Four were talking farreming 870 00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:51.599 together. His son went down. I forget where Jenny Charleston, North Carolina 871 00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.440 or something like that. He did his mutual swamp with a guy so he 872 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:58.559 could take his medical up here in the city. Well that day he's taking 873 00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:04.239 the medical. Nine guys in his firehouse and that was the Colas. Yeah, 874 00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.880 that was a but they just never know, you know, Patty Brown 875 00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.480 and right Trinkle, they just swaps, you know. Yeah, a lot 876 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:15.320 of three, but uh, come out of rescue and working rescue was a 877 00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:21.199 want to put this up. That accident was with one one eleven Jimmy Birds 878 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:24.000 and thrown out of the rig. Really that's one of them said yeah, 879 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:30.920 c f D are you talking about the Carolina right? All right? Oh 880 00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:37.000 wow, yeah, I covered around you know it's lieutenant And then uh, 881 00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:42.400 where'd you get a sign to the witch division? Fourteenth fourteen? Yeah? 882 00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.519 And uh, but prior to that, you know, before I commit a 883 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:50.280 job, I went to my socials degree in nursing and fire engineering at Suffolk 884 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.880 and Cassi Berry was one of my instructives, and Joel Galvin Jump and Joel 885 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:59.840 Galvin and when they came on the job, uh, Cassabiri was the division 886 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:02.280 and uh we heard we hit it off real fast, and he goes, 887 00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:06.840 listen, I'm gonna put you to work, okay. And at that year 888 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:09.199 when I came on a job, I uh to follow you. I get 889 00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:14.119 with the twenty nine because I liked didn't you work? And so I went 890 00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.239 to the captain Jimmy's Bulaine, whose brother was a captain of one oh two 891 00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:20.440 at the time when I was there. Him is a guy goes, hey, 892 00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:22.119 okay, you want to come to it, didn't you company I can. 893 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:24.920 I don't trust anybody. I want to make sure the line goes in. 894 00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:29.119 So he goes, you got it, and uh. There was an 895 00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:32.320 old fellow in the kitchen with a brown bag lunch that was there every day. 896 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:37.119 It was. It was a retiree, and uh. I introduced myself 897 00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.559 to him, and the captain goes, that's a good guy. Okay. 898 00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:44.000 He was saying five times, that's a good guy. So he brings me 899 00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.719 upstairs to the office. He goes, look at that picture. Oh just 900 00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:52.159 JFK for PT one O nine. He was the pilot you know, things 901 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:53.920 that that. Yeah, so it was it used to be people like that. 902 00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:59.320 There was the historical prominence about it. But I went to twenty nine 903 00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:04.159 to Tigers and yeah, yeah, let me tell you something. Not for 904 01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:09.719 nothing. Not for nothing. The biggest group of men I've ever even seen, 905 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:13.000 let's work with. Yeah, I got there. Always had big guys 906 01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.039 over that. Yeah, well Patillas said you be fair on six ft five. 907 01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:19.159 You know. They had a gym upstairs that were ten thousand dollars. 908 01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.760 And I worked with guys at Marshall Glen's and We had this one guy who 909 01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:24.679 used to call guns Chris Severe. He got like arms out to here, 910 01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:30.320 you know, and they're just good guys. And we did a lot of 911 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:32.280 it, did some work in a big area, right, huge area, 912 01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:37.400 huge area, yes, yes, and running around a lot of pullboxes all 913 01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:40.519 that stuff. You have a ton of pull boxes. But I think I 914 01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:46.039 was there maybe four months and in the engine and we get a pull box. 915 01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:49.079 Okay, what else is now? But it was like three blocks away. 916 01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:52.599 I go, I could smell it, and we went down two blocks. 917 01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:53.880 I think it was on maybe thirty seven revenue. I pull in. 918 01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:59.039 Is this Queen Anne is for all? Like a bastard's exposure for Queen Anne 919 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:01.840 has starting to go. So I transmitted second along of the rival and uh, 920 01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:07.400 you know, I had three Proby's on the line, and but a 921 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.039 guy with one year driving, and I had one senior name with the NASA 922 01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:14.559 would had one year. I went to Patry the spirit or the case did 923 01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:16.679 a great job. They did a really great choice. Not the fire out. 924 01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:20.199 And for the life of me, I can't remember this one. The 925 01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.760 two star chief and uh, he comes he was lieutenant I go, you 926 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.679 called in his second alam of the arrival. Well, it's what I had, 927 01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.239 Chief, I mean went to a third alng plus while he's busting my 928 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:31.760 chouce, because I just wanted to make sure. I go, look this 929 01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:34.800 is what I had. I go, can you do the favorite? Chief 930 01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:37.079 intended and goes, ah, what do you want? I go, I 931 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:39.320 had these four, these four probies the first fight did a great job. 932 01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:44.880 That's their effort job. And he walked away. God manager, Oh my 933 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.719 god, but you had like big fight Tally battalion chief, Martin's battalion chief. 934 01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:51.639 You have really good bit Talian chiefs in the four six and uh, 935 01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:54.920 Kenny, I think Kenny member was working in one thirty six at one time. 936 01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:01.519 If Kenny member was a fireman one seventy six trucks and uh my first 937 01:02:01.599 --> 01:02:04.760 night detail going back to one twenty a little bit. They go, you 938 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:07.719 go into one seventy six truck. Okay, where is that? You can 939 01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:10.320 probably walk to the to the firehouse. So I go in there and I 940 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:15.679 opened the door to one seventy six. I go, this is not good. 941 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:21.360 The housewatch is pitch black. The guy the housewatch she goes hello, 942 01:02:23.880 --> 01:02:30.239 naked naked. So uh, I go, and I got all these close 943 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:32.840 stars and the ceiling. They can't make this up. You really can't make 944 01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:36.519 it up. And uh, he goes all right, So I signed the 945 01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:38.880 book and I opened the door and it's Billy pressing. He's urinating on a 946 01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:42.920 tire. It's not urine, but you know, I think he's like. 947 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:45.639 He grasps my hand, Hi, how are you doing? What is going 948 01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:49.480 on? Well? It gets better. I go to the truck office. 949 01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.320 I do a truck you know, lieutenant in Vitrio Dance. He throws me 950 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.639 to radio because you've got the roof. Okay, it's my first. You 951 01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:59.239 got the roof. You got hit for the heights. And Loui yor Gear 952 01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:00.679 was working that night. Louis yor Gear is like, you know, the 953 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:05.559 super comedian. I go to the kitchen door as a safe lock on it. 954 01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:10.199 I go, I'm trying like I hear twenty two forty two three. 955 01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:21.639 It's a guy hanging upside down dresses. Draggon. I opened the door and 956 01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:24.920 there's this guy I think his name is was, big strapping African American guy. 957 01:03:25.159 --> 01:03:29.559 He's dressed in a kk out whipping white guys for a whip. Oh 958 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:34.119 my god, it's a snake going through the floor. All the animals over 959 01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:37.159 there. They had a parative and the fish tank driving everything over there. 960 01:03:37.199 --> 01:03:40.440 Oh my god. It was a great company to work with. Really. 961 01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:45.880 Yea, yeah, I want to go the next day. That goes on 962 01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:51.440 today to captain Yeah, that goes on today. They uh, they say, 963 01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:53.239 you're staying there for the day tour. It's okay, fine, so 964 01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:57.280 they give me the ov. They still had the phone booths on the ricks. 965 01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:00.159 I remember the phone booth that I remember the yeah, yeah, yeah, 966 01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:04.000 right, were coming back for a run and someone said, Kenny, 967 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:09.199 mamma is stealing your car. So I'm in the phone both getting my brig 968 01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:11.280 and all of sudden we start moving a guess to get another run. No, 969 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.719 he's just driving, chasing the criminal that stole his car. He finally 970 01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:16.719 got. He pulls around and he's the parkway, bruns into his car and 971 01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:20.320 gots the guy like you you can't make this shut up. You cannot make 972 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:26.239 that up. Yeah he married a playboy, bunny, beautiful girl. You 973 01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:30.559 can't make that up either. He fast forward, you know, going back 974 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:34.320 to uh twenty nine. I mean, these guys are good firemen. They 975 01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:40.880 were everybody's always eating good so to speak. When Captain Splaine retired, he 976 01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:45.400 won his favorite meal, meat loaf, So the guys made him a huge 977 01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:53.920 meatload for the shape of a heart we want and then heave and uh boil 978 01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:57.480 fat boil with the captain in the fire vision. I think it was. 979 01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:02.159 They had a retirement didn for him over the Elks Club and they bought ten 980 01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:06.039 fifteen foot heroes that they made heroes out of it, and one of those 981 01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:12.199 peanut butter and jelly, because that's what's playing like DPJ. Yeah, it 982 01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:14.559 was. It was good. It was good, and everybody was studying. 983 01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.280 Frankie Johnston we rescued two together. He was in the truck company. I 984 01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:21.599 came home with vacation and the place was too quiet. I go, no, 985 01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:26.119 this is not good. I go upstairs. I opened up my locker. 986 01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:30.320 Now you heard, you've heard matchsticks right rubbing against the flint, Roman 987 01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:36.599 candles, cherry bombs, all those little pup I dove into my room underneath 988 01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:40.280 the underneath the bunk, and they drilled the whole wedding for me, and 989 01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:45.639 they fired more sit underneath them and uh, what can I tell you? 990 01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.840 You know? Yeah, the brothers, Yeah, the brothers. How long 991 01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:53.719 were you over there. I was in two eighty nine for a couple of 992 01:05:53.800 --> 01:05:56.639 years. They sent me over with the two eighty eight because one of the 993 01:05:56.639 --> 01:06:00.480 lieutenants died Tennis, I think it was. You know, I covered different 994 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:06.159 just to cover the spots because uh he was a captain's name Connolly. Anyway, 995 01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:11.719 he was afraid of birds, and I hear some screams. Some falcon 996 01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:16.800 came into his window. Chase that out. But uh, man man, 997 01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:21.239 yeah, but he just recently passed Audie Connelly. He was one of the 998 01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:25.199 guys in the probably school at the lieutenant Uh. But I went back to 999 01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:29.840 twenty nine and uh then what I was in two eight that was when Tommy 1000 01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.239 Williams was killed. But the guys and has met a great bunch of guys, 1001 01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:35.079 really great bunch of guys. In fact, right in the journal, 1002 01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:39.400 guy comes into the firehouse with his like a five year old kid. He 1003 01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:41.920 goes, can we see the fires? Yeah? Come on in. So 1004 01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.239 I showed the kid the brig, give the Colling books, the players, 1005 01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:48.039 the cat, the whole bit. And did I work with Chief Steve. 1006 01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:53.320 I think he was out of what thirty already? He was promoted. No, 1007 01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.679 he was there just briefly. I was just just briefly, I think 1008 01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:59.760 maybe twe or two months, all right, But then he became a bittie 1009 01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:01.440 tree when I was you know, all right, yeah right, yeah, 1010 01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:08.719 so I just great guy Steve. But this guy so is he's walking away, 1011 01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:11.679 he's taking his son, right, he goes, that's why you should 1012 01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:15.360 go to school. They're like, excuse me, and thinking of myself like 1013 01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.400 wait a minute, wait, let me get the guys come down and shay 1014 01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:21.679 hello. So the guys come down, they tell everybody I do the chemicals. 1015 01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:24.480 I tried the rig, I do this and that, like all right, 1016 01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:27.800 but on the outside, what do you guys do? One guys go 1017 01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.599 to medical school, three guys own the law firm. Two guys are working 1018 01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:33.719 in the marine and whatnot. I go, that's why you should go to 1019 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.440 school. That's why I should go to school. Don't listen to this guy 1020 01:07:36.519 --> 01:07:42.039 over. Yeah, and I became a chiropractice from how has Meat? What 1021 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:45.159 a chiropractor? The one guy became a chiropractice from has Matt. Yes, 1022 01:07:45.559 --> 01:07:51.320 yes, but as unfortunate that that company lost twenty one guys. That was 1023 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:55.920 a shame. But then the ninety three I uh, well, when I 1024 01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:00.039 was lieutenant, I guess if you wanted me to take out check out a 1025 01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:02.199 stadium and Yankee Stadium because with a lot of disasters going around, they had 1026 01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:06.679 a major fire that in the soccer stadium where sixty some of people were killed. 1027 01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:11.880 They had the people runned into each other in Brazil, and uh, 1028 01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:13.960 you know, I did some work with that, and then he goes, 1029 01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:15.760 all right, you're gonna take care of the Steve Will's concert. What the 1030 01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:20.039 hell is that? That's you know, this rolling Stones, That's that's a 1031 01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:26.000 gig. It's a good gig. I'm there on this on the stage behind 1032 01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:29.960 a black curtain, and my kind of part for MESU was there and we 1033 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:32.880 had to brief the celebrities of what they're do in case this and let me 1034 01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:36.920 tell you that Nick Jagger was asking point of questions. Great guy, and 1035 01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:41.039 uh it was okay, thank you very much, very polite, very pleasant. 1036 01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:45.199 And in the following year we did the Elton John and Eric Clapton and 1037 01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:47.640 uh they too. Elton John was kind of stiff, but uh, it 1038 01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:53.000 was very interesting to see you're behind the curtain. And whenever Clapton started doing 1039 01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:56.880 this, you know, eighty five thousand people screaming for you. I can 1040 01:08:56.920 --> 01:08:59.000 see why these guys want to be a high on drugs all the time. 1041 01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:02.079 It's wild speak crazy, huh it was. It was a good experience on 1042 01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:06.239 the big clock too, you know. Yeah, everybody needs a gig that 1043 01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:11.000 write a gig. You found yours. And then I got promoted in ninety 1044 01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:14.680 three. I got on the job in ninety three. Cap, Thank you, 1045 01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:18.279 thank you, thank you very much. What am I gonna do these 1046 01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:24.720 guys? Chief? What did you get onto? Cooobs? Ninety five? 1047 01:09:26.439 --> 01:09:30.239 Bob, that's my bob, Cap. Yeah, I get promoted to the 1048 01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:33.880 captain and Jack Pi comback, had me do a couple of thanks for him, 1049 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:38.000 and then he goes, you gotta open up twoty four mention it. 1050 01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:40.760 It's okay, fine, you goes and uh you got You're gonna be the 1051 01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:45.560 only captain the job that goes the community meetings. Okay. So I went 1052 01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:47.840 there and I called U von Essen, who was the union president at the 1053 01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:51.960 time before he became a commissioner, and I said, listen, there's any 1054 01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:56.000 protocols would have you bring guys over here, because now you call them up, 1055 01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:59.119 you pick your only guys you want. And I did and uh, 1056 01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:03.560 how I had been closed. How he calls and closes him under dinkins. 1057 01:10:04.159 --> 01:10:09.119 I think it was in nineteen ninety and I opened them up in February of 1058 01:10:09.199 --> 01:10:11.720 ninety four, two of ninety four for two ninety four engines, two of 1059 01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:15.079 ninety four for ninety four engine right, So how he calls and guard rest 1060 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.680 his soul. He was a lieutenant in one twenty when I was there, 1061 01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:21.239 he was one funny bastard and uh he was very good. His son came 1062 01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:27.039 on a job essentially also he did yep, Yeah, we had him on 1063 01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:29.600 the show. Yeah, he's a good guy. And uh they they all 1064 01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:32.039 live in Richmond Hill. And so when I opened up the firehouse, I 1065 01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:35.319 uh, you know, I had the community people come in and out, 1066 01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:38.520 you know, you know, supporting us and so all on. And I 1067 01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:42.359 had a quick bunch of guys with the injured company. And then uh I 1068 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:46.479 uh, I was just finishing my second master's degree over John Jay and Steve 1069 01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:49.880 King goes like, how you said there? Huh, I like how you 1070 01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:56.319 said it in the second message degree. Try to slip it through there, 1071 01:10:56.399 --> 01:11:03.239 right, but they uh uh I went over to sainty command was Steve King 1072 01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:06.640 and Pete Hayden was just transitioning Steve Kingwin in there, and that was a 1073 01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:12.199 very interesting place to work with. We were at Livson Street first and then 1074 01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:15.640 we went over to uh nine Metro Tech and uh you know Pete Cancy was 1075 01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:19.439 the chief of the department. You know, uh Vonessa was the commissioner. 1076 01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:23.600 And it was quite experience, you know, going to all these meetings with 1077 01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:26.920 all the big chiefs, learning what's going on behind the scenes, and uh, 1078 01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:29.720 you know, we had what's the guy's name rescue for he used to 1079 01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:34.720 call sniper. He was killed, but uh, we had these chiefs was 1080 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:42.479 so smart, very very Yeah that mclough. Yeah, and you had you 1081 01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.960 know, we only went down to one stafety command. It took away the 1082 01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:50.760 second one and they were working out of uh Randall's Island, and uh the 1083 01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:55.880 guy took my spot, Michie Bevone. He became my executive officer for safety. 1084 01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:58.600 But it was it was, it was, it was good. And 1085 01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:01.520 then uh you know, my time was up and I went over a small 1086 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:06.640 stint over in sixty five and uh fifty five engines. I walk in the 1087 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:11.239 quarters and I'm signing my name Captain Rotan's and the guy goes, wooh, 1088 01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:15.319 I go whoo. He goes the first captain in nineteen ninety eight. This 1089 01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:16.800 is like you know, years prior to that, it was Captain Rodan, 1090 01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:20.239 Okay. And they used to live on the third floor because captains and the 1091 01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:24.239 families are on up. They live in firehouses. And the hand a nice 1092 01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:27.560 spiral staircase, the staircase going up. He goes. You know why we 1093 01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:30.520 have spiral staircases in these firehouses. They had no idea. He goes horses 1094 01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:33.359 the horses right, so because if they would go straight up the stairs, 1095 01:12:33.359 --> 01:12:38.760 they couldn't get him down. And the office in fifty five was gorgeous, 1096 01:12:38.840 --> 01:12:43.000 had a working fireplace at a veranda looking over forty third Avenue forty first. 1097 01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:45.680 I've never been in that firehouse, and I have heard that that is the 1098 01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:48.640 play. You were there. You never got We used to get detailed. 1099 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:51.600 Never went on New Year's Evil all the time. Now went there. No. 1100 01:12:53.479 --> 01:12:56.840 They used to send my wad to sixty five engine every New Year's Eve 1101 01:12:56.840 --> 01:13:00.279 at death left of the ball dropped really great. Five. It was a 1102 01:13:00.319 --> 01:13:03.680 good bunch of guys, and a lot of guys worked the theaters, you 1103 01:13:03.720 --> 01:13:05.920 know, behind us, behind the curtains. In case of fire with a 1104 01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:08.800 car, they would pull them. You know, the curtains drop down a 1105 01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:12.399 whole bit. Some of the guys had tuxedos working in certain place, and 1106 01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:16.720 that one particular night going into two thousand, we had the command post, 1107 01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:23.039 Nick Wisconti the chief, and Shoge the FBI police chief, sanitation chief. 1108 01:13:23.119 --> 01:13:25.000 We had all these, you know, like big wigs and so on. 1109 01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:30.079 So and the veranda overlooked the forty thirty street. So I told one of 1110 01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:31.840 the problem. He's like, go get your tuxedos on, put your towel 1111 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:34.880 over your arm downstairs and ask all the cheese that they come up to. 1112 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:40.960 The commander wants your attendance upstairs. So Santi figured out what's going on. 1113 01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:45.439 They come upstairs. I had my white robe and Ascott I had Grandma. 1114 01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:48.079 Ye his cigar. Fireplace is going to go. Gentlemen have would drink. 1115 01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:53.600 The chiefa police goes uf and fireman, you really got the job. Chelousa 1116 01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:59.279 will get you everywhere, and Nick Descotti goes and Moretto I'm in it was. 1117 01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:02.319 He was a super nice guy. Was county right, Oh, he 1118 01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:06.560 was just he's a gentleman. He really was and he's a guy that was 1119 01:14:06.600 --> 01:14:11.520 a captain covering Captain one twenty truck and I came with my snow goes out 1120 01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:17.199 something God and then I took that thing off left in the firehouse. Uh 1121 01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:21.159 yeah it was. It was a nice firehouse. We didn't do that many 1122 01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:25.800 runs. We had the macoci Coli fire. But uh, the one area 1123 01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:30.960 why I thought was very dangerous was the Diamond District because they had vassive acids 1124 01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:33.640 and uh, all these other bases that they would clean their jewelry whatnot, 1125 01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:36.840 so to be very careful as you move a handline in the place. And 1126 01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:40.960 uh, it was all security. So if you went into a building, 1127 01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:43.800 you're about to make sure that everything that you do is chocked solid because of 1128 01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:46.720 the the security they had. And then we had Rockhole Center, you know, 1129 01:14:46.840 --> 01:14:51.119 and uh you know all those responsoriaes which we would be an injured company 1130 01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:55.239 down there all the time when they do the tree. So it was all 1131 01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:58.199 good loco stuff. Really enjoyed. It's like a bizarro world though, right 1132 01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:00.960 working in Manhattan, like in the spot like that compared to where you are 1133 01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:04.439 right, it's like apples and oranges. Well, you know what's bizarre about 1134 01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:08.199 it? Is that the public assembly. I mean, you have these theaters 1135 01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:10.840 that are just huge. I mean, how do you operate these things? 1136 01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:14.760 And did the high rise fires? And I ab ceed a lot like that. 1137 01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:16.520 There was you know, AYB. Seed in the second and the fourth 1138 01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:19.680 and the eighth, and I had a good time doing that. I had 1139 01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:24.800 one job in a high rise and it was pretty cool, but very very 1140 01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:27.880 few fires. But the fires he got I mean just as I got there, 1141 01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:30.079 but I think not too long before I got there, they had a 1142 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:43.920 subsell a fire. I'm going up, yeah that. I've had three subsell 1143 01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:47.359 fires and one ship fire with John Hughes who got hurt. Very scary, 1144 01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:51.079 very very scary. And you think about the job in Newark, like, 1145 01:15:51.119 --> 01:15:55.000 what were those guys doing there? They should just stay up the ship. 1146 01:15:55.039 --> 01:16:00.479 But that's hindsight fifty fifty. But I had that going there with And then 1147 01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:02.279 the one day you had a guy stop over. He goes h Cameron, 1148 01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.000 You go, yeah, John Onman, I Hey don't John. He was 1149 01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:09.680 you know, he was inspected with the PD. Go what do they do? 1150 01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:13.479 He goes Monday reporting for duty with Richie Shure. You gotta be deputy 1151 01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:16.560 director for OHM. Okay, So that's why I got to Oh yeah, 1152 01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:21.880 and would you sure has so all my reports the researcher was doing on stadiums 1153 01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:26.640 and also a bunch of GIS systems and communications. He goes, you're coming 1154 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:29.960 to become a deputy commissioner, And that's how I got there in two thousand 1155 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:32.239 and two. Great experience. Did you retire from the job, Like, 1156 01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:34.960 how did that? No? No, no, you're detailed. Everybody that 1157 01:16:35.199 --> 01:16:38.640 was there, it was detailed, sure, you know, except for like 1158 01:16:38.720 --> 01:16:43.119 guys I carried Henry Jackson a few other people that worked there, but ninety 1159 01:16:43.119 --> 01:16:46.800 percent of people were detailed from the MS, Sanitation, police, fire ped 1160 01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:51.199 and so on. And that worked. Yeah. Pete Picorello was a sergeant 1161 01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:55.600 with PD, probably the smartest guys in emergency management. Great guy, you 1162 01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:59.920 had this Davis, Andy Grunnwalls, some of these women that were just brilliant, 1163 01:17:00.640 --> 01:17:01.800 and uh, you know, they bring me into this room. Is 1164 01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:04.960 about twenty my staff there and the all the way, who's this knucklehead? 1165 01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:09.600 I go, folks, I may have my degrees and all that stuff, 1166 01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:12.359 maybe around the fire service, but you're the smartest people in the country. 1167 01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:15.399 Whatever you need, I'm here for you. I go my My motto is 1168 01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:18.479 is that if you can't take care of grandma that has an O two West 1169 01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:21.479 parade in a wheelchair, they ain't doing that job. I thought this day 1170 01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:25.319 was gonna come up to give you the biggest kiss. And uh, but 1171 01:17:25.840 --> 01:17:29.119 I treated the staff, you know, because now I'm dealing with civilians. 1172 01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:31.800 That was a big change, you know. And uh, even though it's 1173 01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:35.039 fire police and so on, the majority with civilians that were expert in the 1174 01:17:35.079 --> 01:17:39.800 fields, and it was you know, they had the EOC And it was 1175 01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:43.520 a good experience, very good experience because I was now have to be chief 1176 01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:46.359 editor of all their plans, which was a lot of them. Then you 1177 01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:50.119 were working five days a week, working five days a week, all right, 1178 01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:55.319 I would I would have city wide occasionally and they assigned to me this 1179 01:17:56.600 --> 01:18:00.640 sogeant and PD Rick Piliki, and we became close friends that I was just 1180 01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:05.479 phenomenal. I would beat him in Seaford on Seaford on the Excited Expressway and 1181 01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:10.880 he would drive in and we're going together and he's just an outstanding guy. 1182 01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:14.720 And uh the fact I was talking to him today, so he was my 1183 01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:16.920 exec and uh, on the way back home, he says, are you 1184 01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:20.319 tired, yet I believe me goes go to sleep. I put the chair 1185 01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:24.840 back down and he would zip through all the traffic whatnot until he got stopped 1186 01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:28.560 by highway cop and he woul showed misstage, spared goodbye, just kept on 1187 01:18:28.680 --> 01:18:30.680 going. But great guy who he is. And they had a lot of 1188 01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:33.600 nice people that Terry went Is from the MS was was there, you know, 1189 01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:39.439 just uh, I just missed him all. But you know, move 1190 01:18:39.479 --> 01:18:43.720 on. You like doing that work. Well, I left when I retired. 1191 01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:46.359 I created an agency for emergency management and they created a graduate degree programs, 1192 01:18:46.479 --> 01:18:50.239 you know, so it's I really enjoyed emergency management and I had a 1193 01:18:50.279 --> 01:18:54.439 good time there. And unfortunately we were there, we got whacked to do 1194 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:58.000 the World Trade Center during nine eleven. That was a nightmare of itself. 1195 01:18:59.560 --> 01:19:01.880 So you after you retired, what did you want to retire though after two 1196 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:05.960 more years? Any reason? Well, when I was in after you know, 1197 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:10.239 the nine to eleven disaster, I want to go into them, can 1198 01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:15.000 do that, but the new mayors at their own people come in and then 1199 01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:17.039 they went back to headquarters. I worked on the Pete Hayden I feel that 1200 01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:21.359 she's doing the McKinsey report. And contributions to the nine to eleven Commission. 1201 01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:24.880 And we did that, and then one day I got a phone call from 1202 01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:29.279 a deputy first deputy executive from Nessa County. He goes, can you stop 1203 01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:31.399 by West Street? I thought I was sorry about West Street downtown? I 1204 01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:33.319 go, I gotta turned around. It goes not a Westreet, NASA. 1205 01:19:33.720 --> 01:19:38.279 And so this guy, Tony Cancillari, who was retired NYPD lieutenant, who 1206 01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:41.640 started talking. He goes, we had to recommend it by a lot of 1207 01:19:41.720 --> 01:19:45.359 people to start urgency are going watch? He goes to emergency management. Sure 1208 01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:48.039 can you do that? Yeah, I can do that. Once I got 1209 01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:50.880 the back in from the county executive because let's go meet him. I go, 1210 01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:55.039 who is he? I didn't know it was Tom Swathy because you know, 1211 01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:58.479 I was so busy with the nine to eleven issues, And so he 1212 01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:00.680 gave me a job. When can you stop? I go about next month 1213 01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:03.920 and we got finished with all my stuff at this job, and I credited 1214 01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:09.079 the agency in two thousand and two, and well, cat, bring me 1215 01:20:09.159 --> 01:20:11.119 up to speed. What what what were you doing at that? Like? 1216 01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:13.960 What do you what do you do that when that's happening? What do you 1217 01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:16.800 want in that county. Well, I had the first of all, I 1218 01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:20.479 had to go through the legislative body to get approved. Right. That was 1219 01:20:20.520 --> 01:20:24.680 one of the big hurdles because you had the Republicans and the Democrats, and 1220 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:29.439 the Republicans were nine the Democrats were ten, and uh, they were busting 1221 01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:31.199 my chops. And one guy says, well, you Democrats are all the 1222 01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:34.079 same, Like, oh, the Democrat, I'm an independent. What are 1223 01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:36.640 you talking about? I go, why are you guys fighting them? To 1224 01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:41.680 go? New New Jersey, New York, Connecticut. They're all got emergency 1225 01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:44.520 management now in the city. Why do you fight? Is this dumb? 1226 01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:46.920 But that so we got they finally improved, and then I had to bring 1227 01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:49.760 his staff and Rick Biley, he was my guy from New York City. 1228 01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:54.560 Oh he was my first deputy. Greg Karen here and Jerry went is that 1229 01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:57.960 people that had a lot of experience. They brought in a staff and then 1230 01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:01.920 they we had a facility at the jail downstairs at fifty five onred script foot 1231 01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:04.880 facility the jail, and this guy Riley said, you got it's yours. 1232 01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:08.800 So we had the brick and mortar, We had the first EOC. We 1233 01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:12.520 started doing our plans, we started training anything that was evolved. It just 1234 01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:15.359 took a lot of work in those four years and we cut it up and 1235 01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:20.039 running and it was good. It was a good experience. But how often 1236 01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:30.119 can you say that you created a government agency. Yeah, well that's one 1237 01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:32.439 of the things you were talking about. The money you could design, No, 1238 01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:36.840 No, all deside treat was that I had to get grants, emergency 1239 01:21:36.880 --> 01:21:42.920 management grants. I had FEMA grants and funds. So the first year all 1240 01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:45.359 my salaries were paid for, you know, and I didn't needed any money 1241 01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:49.399 for the facility, but like that money through the state centers that will give 1242 01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:51.880 me a hundred fifty k here on fifty k here. So the first two 1243 01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:56.560 years I was not too hurry for the cash. And then eventually the budget 1244 01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:59.760 starts coming in. Then you have to work with that. So there's a 1245 01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:02.000 lot of challenges. Budget, staffs, brick and mortars, EOC plans. 1246 01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:06.720 We created Neessa County's first emergency operation plan. Now, according to the Disaster 1247 01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:10.800 Act, got to go to b we had to submit All emergency managers have 1248 01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:14.760 to desmit their plans every December. So December two thousand and three, we 1249 01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:17.600 submitted our first plan I get a phone call from State Emergency Management. Hey, 1250 01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:20.560 the commission we got this plan first? Yeah, what do you think? 1251 01:22:20.760 --> 01:22:24.319 But what do you want us to do with it? I call you 1252 01:22:24.439 --> 01:22:30.319 guys are supposed to get it every year we do anyway, It is what 1253 01:22:30.399 --> 01:22:32.880 it is. But did you have did you have like a cash of tool 1254 01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:35.840 like were you doing any of that stuff? Or who had that stuff for 1255 01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:41.159 National County? Like who would have that if you were if you had an 1256 01:22:41.199 --> 01:22:43.920 emergency, who were you going to? You're just you're just setting up the 1257 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:45.399 p D and all that is that. What what we did was that the 1258 01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:49.800 Emergency Operations Center. Terry went was one of the guys. He would call 1259 01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:54.359 all the agencies and find out what do you got, what's your skill sets? 1260 01:22:54.399 --> 01:22:57.079 What's your equipment? And I called I SAT. I had a meeting 1261 01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:00.439 with with the guy that was the commissioner for Nanessa County property you know, 1262 01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:03.880 well, buildings and whatnot. He's kind of choking, what do you want 1263 01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:06.119 me for? I go, you have buildings? Yeah? I go, 1264 01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:09.680 well, case you have disaster, where am I gonna stockpile of my medicine? 1265 01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:13.760 We're gonna stockpile of my equipment? Oh? So there was a leading 1266 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:16.359 process for a lot of people, and uh it worked out good. I 1267 01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:19.920 had a couple of people in the fire service and the police service they cut 1268 01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:24.960 slightly because they felt they should be the commissioner. But I think Tom brought 1269 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:29.000 me in because I was an outsider and I had no connectivities to Nansa County. 1270 01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:31.199 So uh and he was he was a he was a good guy to 1271 01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:34.399 work for, you know, the county executive now was the congressman and so 1272 01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:39.560 on, you know. And I worked with a few legislators like, uh, 1273 01:23:40.079 --> 01:23:43.199 well Magano, he's doing time of state. But uh, you know, 1274 01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:46.880 can you read that there, Hank m I asked it was difficult to 1275 01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:49.840 set up emergence besiege and since all fire departments of volunteer, No, it 1276 01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:53.880 wasn't you know. What it was is that when we set up the plans, 1277 01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:57.920 right, if it's a coastal storm, for for a hurricane or for 1278 01:23:58.079 --> 01:24:00.720 blackouts, I would bring in the far Commission and then tell all these fellas, 1279 01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:03.600 this is what these are plans. What do you think, all right, 1280 01:24:03.680 --> 01:24:06.840 what opera? What can you be doing during a hurricane or blackout? 1281 01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:12.039 In the case maybe we had the H one N one Uh, the tobacco 1282 01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:15.199 and we had to give out the medications. We did that at this Arcountic 1283 01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:17.680 Community College. But the volunteers, they they you know, it was like 1284 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:20.520 sixty four volunteer fire departments. I think it was, you know, twenty 1285 01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:25.199 five police departments. They had two cities gardens, uh Long Beach and Glen 1286 01:24:25.359 --> 01:24:28.640 Cove. So it was like a mini state of like one point six million 1287 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:31.399 people. So I you know, with the volunteers being I was a volunteer, 1288 01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:35.079 they knew what I knew the jug and so it was pretty good. 1289 01:24:35.119 --> 01:24:39.239 They they got a coupley of plants and it worked out pretty well, especially 1290 01:24:39.279 --> 01:24:42.880 the two tall trees. The guys Maguires are Freeport, they were they're pretty 1291 01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:46.000 good. Two tall trees. Yeah, we'll see I would usually see Ray. 1292 01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:49.000 Yeah, we see him every show. But you can't miss him soon 1293 01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:56.600 as you walking that hole on areas. That's actually that's small hands. Yeah, 1294 01:24:56.680 --> 01:25:01.239 small hands. I hate shaking that guy. SA seventy two departments. 1295 01:25:01.279 --> 01:25:05.279 Hank m thank you corrected. I think it was seventy sixty four villages. 1296 01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:09.840 I know it's been just two thousand and six and it left. That was 1297 01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:14.000 a Delphi. Hank Mulley is one of the senior guys. He was in 1298 01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:15.560 your proby class. That's what I said. Okay, right, right, 1299 01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:19.279 So you left the two thousand and six right, and then you went to 1300 01:25:19.359 --> 01:25:27.319 a Delphi correct and that's when you made an OEM management program. The how 1301 01:25:27.439 --> 01:25:30.920 it started was that we did a drill on a pod. How how fast 1302 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:33.199 we give up medication? So they used the school nursing to be victims to 1303 01:25:33.239 --> 01:25:38.159 give medications. So the provost, Marshall Wells, doctor Marshall Ball, said, 1304 01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:41.039 listen, can you make a class or two for us? How about 1305 01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:42.960 if I do a whole graduate degree program. And that's what I did. 1306 01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:46.640 I did a mass's degree in emergency management and I worked that well, and 1307 01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:49.800 I did it for two years. And then this one fella, Kimrarelly, 1308 01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:53.079 you know I would meet him once in a while. He goes, I'm 1309 01:25:53.079 --> 01:25:56.840 going to build his research facility in bet Page called the Applied Science Center. 1310 01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:00.479 Can you give me a hand? So I co designed if I and it 1311 01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:03.279 was it was not I wouldn't call it the spooks, but we had a 1312 01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:08.199 lot of classified areas in the facility. We had what's called skiffs, secure 1313 01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:12.880 communication information facilities, and we had a lecture room with one hundreds of the 1314 01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:16.439 chairs and seats that they could convert into an EC in twenty minutes, so 1315 01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:20.520 that we had satellite communications. We had communications that weren't even down on the 1316 01:26:20.600 --> 01:26:24.840 field yet. And uh, you know, we had a lot of people 1317 01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:29.520 from the academia. The agency's FBI was there a lot. In fact, 1318 01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:33.199 the FBI barred my facility when they had the Gilgo murders back then in twenty 1319 01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:36.680 twelve. When he first started finding these people, and I gained the case 1320 01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:39.479 of the place, I go, here's a skiff, here's a lot of 1321 01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:42.800 combination, and just go to town. Two weeks later they came back, 1322 01:26:42.840 --> 01:26:45.479 goes here you go, Director, we we can't stay anymore. We talk 1323 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:48.760 about some guy with the chief Burke chasers out of there. That's okay, 1324 01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:54.039 And we found out later on all about that guy. But it was a 1325 01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:58.800 great facility. And then Nasser County OEM moved into that facility, you know 1326 01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:01.560 which Jim Callahan, because I left OEM in two thousand and six, I 1327 01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:04.199 asked Jim Kellen, can you take my spot? Because he was an attorney 1328 01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:10.199 specialized in mergency management law. He was also emergency manager Melbourne and Uh. 1329 01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:13.800 He was a pretty shock guy. But unfortunately he died of cancer a few 1330 01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:16.359 years after that. And then the following guy, this guy, yeah, 1331 01:27:16.399 --> 01:27:19.720 Craig Craft. He took a spot and he died of cancer after that. 1332 01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:24.359 Sec I want to leave a bug or something. So the other guy that 1333 01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:29.479 was Morelli is another guy in now. So it's but the Applied Science Foundation 1334 01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:34.199 was a great place to work. We we uh managed the Hurricane Lee and 1335 01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:39.720 Hurricane Sandy out of that place and fever brooked. It was as Fiva came, 1336 01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:42.840 there, goes, where can we put our facility? I go take 1337 01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:45.760 the auditorium, That's what it's made for. And he were like, you're 1338 01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:47.760 kidding me. They were like a seventh heaven. We fed him. They 1339 01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:50.960 had bunks, the whole bit. So they were there for the directionstics of 1340 01:27:51.119 --> 01:27:55.520 all of that is like incredible. Until you're doing that, it's really just 1341 01:27:55.640 --> 01:28:00.760 insane. Well, you know, being at the facility was my responsibility, 1342 01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:04.319 and the logistics was for may Infinancer County. They were just elated that they 1343 01:28:04.359 --> 01:28:09.119 had a connection the county. And then at every other day we would have 1344 01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:16.359 both county executives. We had Homeland Security director what was the name told get 1345 01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:21.239 a name right now. She came up. The two governors, Governor of 1346 01:28:21.319 --> 01:28:26.720 New York, governor of New Jersey, they were there. Mary Cromo was 1347 01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:30.159 there and uh, I'm there in my office there and I'm the time I 1348 01:28:30.199 --> 01:28:34.000 had these wastes and have a little exercise there you will spiders. Hey, 1349 01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:36.840 nice ways you got there that come on in. We'll sitting there having a 1350 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:40.119 couple of coffee. By an hour, people look at who's the governor. 1351 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:44.000 Who's the governor? So sitting there with the governor Cromo at the time, 1352 01:28:44.079 --> 01:28:45.840 nice guy, you know, you know it's uh, he just was down 1353 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:48.800 there. Support was going on with the two county executives in the city, 1354 01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:54.720 and uh it was good, you know. Then then they eventually had to 1355 01:28:54.760 --> 01:29:00.399 close the place down because they had the financial crime. The guy that started 1356 01:29:00.399 --> 01:29:03.880 the place died and the north of Grumman moved out. That was ouran coontenant. 1357 01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:06.399 So they eventually close the place. And then from there one it was 1358 01:29:06.520 --> 01:29:12.960 two uh Department of Health over in Queens exceed Apartment Health. Oh so Jack 1359 01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:16.520 to Night's started where you began yeh home, yeah, right, it was 1360 01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:20.439 on Uh, it was like right at the foot of the Queensborough Bridge. 1361 01:29:21.319 --> 01:29:25.439 Oh, I thought it was there's another one Department of Health. It's it's 1362 01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:28.520 they're all over the city, but this was the main headquarters. I was 1363 01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:32.239 working on a program called the Post Emergency Canvasine Operations PICO, and uh, 1364 01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:35.800 very smart people, very smart people, and they were very good with the 1365 01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:41.039 incident command system. That's they were very blessed people, you know. I 1366 01:29:41.159 --> 01:29:44.840 mean, you know, you plussed my chest, but the PhD. Everybody 1367 01:29:44.920 --> 01:29:47.960 there at PhDs and you would nevern't know anyway, just go downstairs. I 1368 01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:49.720 have a burge and a couple of couple of beers. You know. You 1369 01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:54.119 were just natural, natural guys and girls. You know, they were very 1370 01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:58.239 smart. You mean, it wasn't like doctor, doctor, doctor doctor. 1371 01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:03.359 I know. But then I would go into the briefing room and there's this 1372 01:30:03.439 --> 01:30:10.640 one girl FROMCOIS. She's up there with the advanced statistics telling us how fast 1373 01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:15.239 we would move these medications whatever, and like, okay. My first graduate 1374 01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:17.479 degree was in Holy shit, I remember this ship. You know, all 1375 01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:23.520 this mathematics that we're talking about. They they're just they're just good. They 1376 01:30:23.560 --> 01:30:27.880 really were. You know a little story with nine to eleven. After I 1377 01:30:28.079 --> 01:30:30.840 was managing the eoc overt Pirty two and the reason why we get pinty two 1378 01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:34.720 because of we're going to do a drill there on twelfth. How fast we 1379 01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:38.600 give out medication, Whichie sure goes. I want to go down to the 1380 01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:42.119 landfill and see how things are going. They go down to the landfill. 1381 01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:45.479 And since Staten Island and I go to this Butler building and I go in. 1382 01:30:45.640 --> 01:30:48.520 I thought I was walking into the screen set as sopranos. I mean, 1383 01:30:48.600 --> 01:30:51.359 it is pussy. There is tonally the whole bit, and it got 1384 01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:56.479 all this mathematical equations on the board. Hey what about its true? This 1385 01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:00.520 hero about God them equation? How fast we get like this kind of insane? 1386 01:31:01.159 --> 01:31:04.079 But uh, I was very impressed by sanitation, sanitation police, the 1387 01:31:04.159 --> 01:31:08.720 sheriff, great agencies. They couldn't do enough for you, you know it. 1388 01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:14.000 But the nine to eleven issue, that bad time really was bad time. 1389 01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:16.119 You know we were in Tallis seven when we got hit, you know 1390 01:31:16.359 --> 01:31:19.920 wow. Yeah. In fact, uh I thought my two sons, Richard 1391 01:31:19.920 --> 01:31:23.199 and Danny, were there. They were looking for me. They were told 1392 01:31:23.239 --> 01:31:25.840 I was wiped out advice at first, and we finally met each other on 1393 01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:30.079 West Investie Yeah, these two guys and Danny on the left. He goes, 1394 01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:31.239 damn, he should go home and think Mom's worried. I go, 1395 01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:35.560 you think, but yeah, they were to see I think I know of 1396 01:31:35.680 --> 01:31:39.520 rich I don't know how where if he was in once you said he was 1397 01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:42.159 one seventy six, rich one seventy six, and they did a lot of 1398 01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:45.439 cover in the one fifty four. That's what I have to know him. 1399 01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:48.239 Yeah, And Danny was in two ninety nine before he became lieutenant over in 1400 01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:51.600 the caveman over thirty five. He should be promoted the captain any day, 1401 01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:58.359 now, you know. And uh six, Yeah, And they teased my 1402 01:31:58.479 --> 01:32:02.800 one son, Michael, who of that's that's Richie in me. That's in 1403 01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:08.359 nineteen eighty five. You know, I have a picture. I have a 1404 01:32:08.479 --> 01:32:12.920 picture of him being held by Georgia Gynon in one twenty Georgie guy is holding 1405 01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:16.119 him up, and then later on Georgia Gunny was a lieutenant on seventy six. 1406 01:32:16.239 --> 01:32:18.840 I'll tell you right now, it's one of the toughest guys I've ever 1407 01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:24.239 met. I think Georgie. Yeah, man, his father was a lieutenant 1408 01:32:24.279 --> 01:32:28.279 two thirty one and his grandfather was on a job too, you know, 1409 01:32:28.439 --> 01:32:30.920 so they could have a big family. His son, I think is ready 1410 01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:32.800 to retire. I think his son is over to City Island. Yeah you 1411 01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:38.279 know, but uh, great great guy. And uh Georgie's still recovering from 1412 01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:40.399 the cancer. He's doing good. In fact, I was talking to today. 1413 01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:44.880 We'll get him on that field. It yeah, but we got to 1414 01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:47.920 get Jay, doctor j here's a big question. When you left the fire 1415 01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:53.880 apartment, did the name doctor Dick travel with you stay in the fire apartment 1416 01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:58.640 When I went to om and and uh in Nasa County. Some of the 1417 01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:03.119 guys are on the job want to go to the meetings. You got to 1418 01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:06.159 say the good with the bed. You know. It's uh even out here 1419 01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:10.880 in the island and the volunteers that they bust my chibout it. That's all 1420 01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:15.119 right, Come on, man, come on, what what what's the Roadtanser 1421 01:33:15.159 --> 01:33:18.520 Associates. That's the consulting from right, there's a consulting. I was doing 1422 01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:24.439 a few companies on business continuity. Yeah, yeah, I wish you know, 1423 01:33:24.560 --> 01:33:35.039 it's a it's oh god, he's like leaning back. You got a 1424 01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:43.720 little I mean, my heart got bro, he's got to make your money, 1425 01:33:43.800 --> 01:33:47.199 right, you got to keep up for that ship. Yeah, but 1426 01:33:47.960 --> 01:33:51.039 it's a slowly good chill. I'm doing some work here and there, trips 1427 01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:55.640 and drips. But how many kids you got? Got? Fourteen? Fourteen? 1428 01:33:56.119 --> 01:34:00.960 Yes, yes, my my wife and I my wife if her husband 1429 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:04.319 died when she was pregnant with a ninth when he was thirty nine years old. 1430 01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:10.199 And then we met later on in nineteen ninety six. I had my 1431 01:34:10.359 --> 01:34:13.279 three and her nine. We get married. It was great. I mean, 1432 01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:15.479 she's a doll, she's phenomenal. My kids went to school with her 1433 01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:17.159 kids, so and I lost my dad, they lost their dead, so 1434 01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:20.640 that that connectivity there, they knew. I was empathetic to what's going on 1435 01:34:20.800 --> 01:34:24.880 right right, And then after our three day honeymoon in the city, we 1436 01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:28.439 took all twelve kids down to Disney World. But when I was in safety 1437 01:34:28.479 --> 01:34:30.680 command at the time, this guy owns is another captain, great guy. 1438 01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:33.880 He goes, you go to Disney World. I'll be right back, okay, 1439 01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:39.600 two hours later and he goes, my brother was an executive in Disneyland. 1440 01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:44.159 He goes, He's sending you twenty tickets. Wow, you know, 1441 01:34:44.920 --> 01:34:46.800 so all I needed was like about well, it was fourteen of us at 1442 01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:50.399 the time. I needed eight more tickets. Now, my two sons, 1443 01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:54.560 my step son and my other son, Ritchie Mike. They went back to 1444 01:34:54.680 --> 01:34:57.520 Disney World where we're at the hotel. I go, just be back by 1445 01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:00.680 twelve o'clock. I look out the window at five o'clock in the morning, 1446 01:35:00.760 --> 01:35:04.479 I see these two knuckleheads climbing up the trellis int their hotel homes. So 1447 01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:08.319 I eventually go over there and they see him. I go, guys, 1448 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:12.119 are going to the beach out of the planket. Richie hates me into his 1449 01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:15.439 stack of tickets. They met a couple of girls that were leaving and they 1450 01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:18.920 got their tickets. That didn't spend a dime at disney World. Hey, 1451 01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:21.119 it was great. You know, we had a good time at Disney World. 1452 01:35:21.399 --> 01:35:25.880 What are the age ranges from what to what? The twins will be 1453 01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:29.359 twenty two in August and the oldest one is going to be forty eight. 1454 01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:33.560 How many grand babies you gotta have, like a gazillion grand babies? Number 1455 01:35:33.600 --> 01:35:41.199 sixteen it's coming next month. Congratulations. Yeah, it's the breeding. You 1456 01:35:41.279 --> 01:35:44.399 don't do that. They do that. And they got a few more things, 1457 01:35:44.399 --> 01:35:46.079 so get'll be getting married. So I don't, Trish. I go 1458 01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:48.800 listen. If they all get married, they have three kids, that's forty 1459 01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:53.000 two grand kids, you know, and all the kids, that's seventy two 1460 01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:57.880 people that did the table. I know that. Well, there was seven 1461 01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:00.640 of us. My mother's got twenty two great kids in like fourteen or sixteen 1462 01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:04.880 great grand kids, and so one hundred for you, one hundred for you, 1463 01:36:05.039 --> 01:36:08.920 and we got to do that. Yeah, that's why he's got to 1464 01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:13.640 do the consulting. Was going to say, you need another job. You 1465 01:36:13.720 --> 01:36:17.359 see the picture behind me. Yeah, that's a wedding. That's just the 1466 01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:24.399 kids. Oh my goodness, Grace. Yeah, yeah, family. But 1467 01:36:24.560 --> 01:36:27.439 you know what, like by Trish would alway say, they're all productive citizens. 1468 01:36:28.159 --> 01:36:29.960 Oh I why to tell my kids all the time, my wife, 1469 01:36:30.239 --> 01:36:32.079 that's our job to make you have to be productive citizens. That's where I 1470 01:36:32.119 --> 01:36:36.039 fell them all the time. Yep, and I will cap huh, how 1471 01:36:36.079 --> 01:36:40.359 old are you? I just turned seventy in August. It look great, 1472 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:44.560 you know, it's uh. I'm hanging in there. And he turned seventy. 1473 01:36:44.680 --> 01:36:47.319 They found some little minus skins cancer in the back of the little brain 1474 01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:49.520 tuba, which is fine, it's not cancerous. And I had to go 1475 01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:54.840 for major surgery by blown out. They shall harnie otherwise, I'm still you 1476 01:36:54.880 --> 01:36:59.439 don't got any stretch, do you? Uh? Fourh we beat you rough 1477 01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:02.319 see wanted to be a yeah, no, not too long ago. I 1478 01:37:02.399 --> 01:37:06.359 had that done, you know. So Okay, I get up in the 1479 01:37:06.439 --> 01:37:09.600 morning, my wife kicks me out the bed, go to work, you 1480 01:37:09.680 --> 01:37:12.640 know. But yeah, it's all good stuff. Me and I married a 1481 01:37:12.640 --> 01:37:15.680 great girl. She really is outstanding, you know, I got it. 1482 01:37:16.039 --> 01:37:18.319 We got a little question from David James. I don't know if you know. 1483 01:37:18.479 --> 01:37:20.920 He says, hey, Rich, you still have those beads in your 1484 01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:26.279 pocket? You had them one twenty by rosary beads. I guess that's what 1485 01:37:26.359 --> 01:37:30.199 he's talking about. He says, beads. Beads. Well, I had, 1486 01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:32.479 you know, a string of rosary beats. His string wrote because you 1487 01:37:32.520 --> 01:37:35.920 couldn't hear me those beads, is what he's saying. So I'm assuming probably 1488 01:37:36.079 --> 01:37:43.159 that's probably yeah, because Tom Cleary got his soul. He had rosary beats. 1489 01:37:43.159 --> 01:37:45.720 There were a bit of cloth, you know. So like my father 1490 01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:47.279 came to me because in Korea, if you don't want to write a lot 1491 01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:54.279 and tell them enemy that you were. Ah. So my sons that went 1492 01:37:54.319 --> 01:38:00.439 to uh Iraq, in Aghanistan, in Iraq, they had this same thing. 1493 01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:03.039 And I tell you my one boy that's uh, I mean Richie, 1494 01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:06.279 Danny, you know, Michael. I'm proud of all these guys they just 1495 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:11.039 uh, they were. I'm concerned about them because they're in homes white as 1496 01:38:11.079 --> 01:38:14.840 you know. But my one son, Michael was in the Marines in Iraq 1497 01:38:14.960 --> 01:38:17.840 and then Felujah. His first gig is that, you know, he had 1498 01:38:17.840 --> 01:38:20.439 to stand guard of the post coming and this one guy did not want to 1499 01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:24.399 stop and he told him stop stop and he can't up going had to take 1500 01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:28.000 him out first, first shot. And the people in the neighborhood wanted to, 1501 01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:30.359 you know, put him to court and hang him. So he went 1502 01:38:30.399 --> 01:38:33.840 through his routine in Iraq and he comes home and his friend gets axed in 1503 01:38:33.880 --> 01:38:38.840 the head for moal through precting. I've remember that a few years. That 1504 01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:41.119 was one of the guys he worked with. And I said, you know, 1505 01:38:41.239 --> 01:38:43.640 Mike, you know you've been to Helen Back. Your friend gets hurt, 1506 01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:45.199 you wanted to kill you in Iraq and all that stuff, and I 1507 01:38:45.319 --> 01:38:53.079 mean you, okay, Bill's character really know all the boys are like that. 1508 01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:55.960 I mean, rich you would call me up, asked me questions and 1509 01:38:56.039 --> 01:38:58.840 back and forth, and Danny would call me, and I started to realize 1510 01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:01.880 they were listening to my war stories because Daddy is in the Caveman. They 1511 01:39:01.880 --> 01:39:05.119 had a truck that was going through Central Park to get stuck under those those 1512 01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:10.000 ramps. You know that by Dispatches office, the truck had stuck underneath the 1513 01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:13.279 bridge on the Central Park. So what you do, Dad, I gotta 1514 01:39:13.319 --> 01:39:15.920 let the tires out. I know you did that one time. And rescue 1515 01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:19.840 too good for you? You know they remember see that. Yes, I 1516 01:39:20.079 --> 01:39:24.680 got a good oak. You've done. Okay there, Bud, God bless 1517 01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:27.840 him. Uh I love And when Richie called me up this morning, he 1518 01:39:27.880 --> 01:39:31.039 goes, Dad, you're on that podcast? Are you kidding me the hell 1519 01:39:31.039 --> 01:39:38.039 out of that? While you can, you still got to do one more 1520 01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:42.359 thing. It's that time. Time, It is that time, and it's 1521 01:39:42.439 --> 01:39:53.279 time for that. Oh take it away. The tip of the day is 1522 01:39:53.439 --> 01:39:56.720 just to live right. And then all the guys and girls are out there 1523 01:39:56.800 --> 01:40:00.760 and fire and the m s and the OAR and the r just keep on 1524 01:40:00.920 --> 01:40:03.119 studying and just keep on practicing, and that's all you gotta do because that's 1525 01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:06.159 the most important thing, is to keep sharp, and that's why you'll survive. 1526 01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:10.239 That's the only tip I got. And love your family. That's it. 1527 01:40:10.319 --> 01:40:13.680 Family first, and work and country, work, church and home and 1528 01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:18.680 country. Man like that. Now, if you want to join a nice 1529 01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:23.760 template, give you a call, nic. What do you got I got? 1530 01:40:24.079 --> 01:40:28.600 I got nighted last year, did you Yeah? I did have to 1531 01:40:28.640 --> 01:40:32.399 call you, sir rich Now so well, let me ask you a question. 1532 01:40:32.439 --> 01:40:40.479 Where's the oc of the Covenant? Is it underneath where he was crucified? 1533 01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:45.720 M hmm? Can you show me the secret handshake? Enough? You 1534 01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:50.760 know the treasure? Do you know where the treasure is? He's going to 1535 01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:57.000 get it. He's going to get it. Nice Capta had a good life 1536 01:40:57.079 --> 01:41:01.399 man, all right? What does he got to hat? Oh he's gonna 1537 01:41:01.439 --> 01:41:05.279 knight us right now? I kid you not. Are you gonna knight us 1538 01:41:05.319 --> 01:41:09.680 right now? All three of them? Oh, he's got it? Look 1539 01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:12.279 at that. Yeah, go ahead, hit me up, hit me up, 1540 01:41:12.359 --> 01:41:15.960 let's go. If you're good right here? Well, you see, 1541 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:19.520 don't I'll bring you a soul me do this? Okay? In the middle 1542 01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:25.039 are two men riding a horse. Yeah, because a nice Templar when he 1543 01:41:25.119 --> 01:41:30.039 started, We're considered poor and they shared everything. So the nice timp has 1544 01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:32.239 been around, and I was it's part of the family, the Swiss family, 1545 01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:36.520 because my family's in Switzerland. And uh, my kids think I'm nuts, 1546 01:41:36.720 --> 01:41:41.560 but that's okay, Well we're nuts. Yeah, gotta be a little 1547 01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:45.199 bit to do what we do. Yeah, right, So then they often 1548 01:41:45.279 --> 01:41:47.680 comment, is not on Oak Island? Is that? I don't think? 1549 01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:50.800 So come on now, you're rude. It for me, I haven't waiting 1550 01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:55.039 for the fine cash for like fourteen years. I'm getting hired. I found 1551 01:41:55.079 --> 01:41:57.800 nothing. My wife goes, why is the watching that job? They canna 1552 01:41:57.800 --> 01:42:00.920 find it soon. I know they gotta find something, find a coin, 1553 01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:06.319 if something christ I don't know, all right, so go ahead. It 1554 01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:16.920 would be sir Dick if we have to go get him. Love it. 1555 01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:20.239 You gotta love it. That's a cap. It was a pleasure to have 1556 01:42:20.359 --> 01:42:24.199 you on. It was really enjoy it. You had a great life you 1557 01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:26.720 had. Uh, you've still got a lot lot going on. Still, 1558 01:42:27.119 --> 01:42:30.199 I've been blessed. Look, I've been very blessed. And uh, like 1559 01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:31.800 I said, if I had a chance to do it again, I'd do 1560 01:42:31.880 --> 01:42:35.439 it again. You know. I mean I worked with some really great men 1561 01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:39.720 and women. Got rest his souls especially, you know the nurses, you 1562 01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:43.439 know, a battle of bulge in Vietnam and Korea. You know the guys 1563 01:42:43.479 --> 01:42:46.439 that I worked with in one twenty two on nine rescue the whole whole department. 1564 01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:49.000 They were just great guys, you know. And I keep on thinking 1565 01:42:49.039 --> 01:42:53.359 about it. And your brother, you know, the chief, he's they 1566 01:42:53.439 --> 01:42:56.039 love the death, you know, mister serious, but he's very small, 1567 01:42:56.399 --> 01:43:03.680 mister happy. Yes, there he is. Yeah, but it's all good. 1568 01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:08.880 And do you chieve them in Florida? It's not by milcaol Island. 1569 01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:11.840 Say well, my brother Tommy, all right, well it's about an hour, 1570 01:43:12.159 --> 01:43:15.920 about an hour and a half. Take you over there. Yeah, 1571 01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:20.199 define you'll let you think we're funny here. Tommy is a stand up comic. 1572 01:43:21.279 --> 01:43:25.319 He is one sick best and he has a party every year at his 1573 01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:30.800 house and he has a band called the Old Geeesus And every year I have 1574 01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:34.680 three of these and it's to sing uh. You know, sweet Caroline, 1575 01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:38.479 I knew you're going to say that. How do I know that not going? 1576 01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:45.000 Neil you gotta go, and Neil you gotta go. And if he 1577 01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:49.239 has about maybe like eighty people there. They all go nuts and uh and 1578 01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:53.840 my wife's standing there just shaking a head as usual. Yeah, you know, 1579 01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:57.800 that's what they do when we do what we do. Yeah, all 1580 01:43:57.880 --> 01:44:00.840 right, So we won't see you guys on money Day or Thursday. We'll 1581 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:04.840 see you the following Monday. We're going to be out in Indy. Come 1582 01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:11.640 and see us out in Indy. I believe ten thousand and two. You 1583 01:44:11.720 --> 01:44:14.239 got it right, ten thousand and two. You're gonna be able to pick 1584 01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:16.039 up one of these bad boys right here. The pizza cutas will be with 1585 01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:30.199 us, don't you worry. They will where we meet. Not only will 1586 01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:32.279 that cut a regular part, it'll cut out Sicilian, it'll call it Grandma. 1587 01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:35.079 So don't worry about it. Broel like pizza will send you a pizza 1588 01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:39.600 cuta. You got it. We definitely will tell you what. All right, 1589 01:44:39.680 --> 01:44:43.800 guys, we'll miss ship. Maybe we'll have a good time. Cat, 1590 01:44:43.880 --> 01:44:45.560 thanks for coming on. Really appreciate it. I appreciate it too. 1591 01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:50.159 It's but a great night. Thank you very very much. It really quick, 1592 01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:54.960 did you did you see this? Really quick? We're gonna see that 1593 01:44:56.239 --> 01:45:00.119 somebody. Somebody was arrested pullet. Somebody stole the boat. We're gonna go 1594 01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:05.159 on in August. Somebody stalled the boat. The email is in the getting 1595 01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:11.000 Salty in Salty Dog email sent to us, like where'd they take it? 1596 01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:15.760 Right? They fucking m rand it up on the land. How the hell 1597 01:45:15.840 --> 01:45:17.720 did they get it? How did they get the things started? Like? 1598 01:45:17.800 --> 01:45:21.239 What the Helliday? Go? Read the thing in the email? Why did 1599 01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:27.199 that happen last night? Yeah? I can't it's hilarious compliments of peewee in 1600 01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:30.279 the chat. Well he said it to me. I can't even make that. 1601 01:45:30.199 --> 01:45:32.960 That's crazy, man. All right, ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen, 1602 01:45:33.079 --> 01:45:41.560 lady, until we see you a week from Monday. From Monday, all 1603 01:45:41.680 --> 01:45:43.640 right, hey, cat cap, thank you. We'll see it the big 1604 01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:45.239 one. Everybody. You got it, all right, guys, he's the 1605 01:45:45.279 --> 01:45:47.159 top floor. Good. I thank you,