1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,400 What up? Everyone, Welcome back to the dragon Ball Virgin Podcast. It's 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:10,320 been quite a while and we are here to catch up to dragon Ball Super. 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,599 In the last episode, which was our thirty eighth episode, we caught 4 00:00:14,679 --> 00:00:18,039 up all the way to Vegeta's new form and since then, I believe like 5 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,239 about five chapters have come out, so we covered those chapters today. You 6 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:26,320 got me goes on from animey up War, and of course Ray the dragon 7 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:31,559 Ball Virgin whatep Ray whatep goes in. It's been a long time, but 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,880 happy to be back talking about my original anime, dragon Ball. Yeah, 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:46,640 so there's that, and we're going to also be doing thanks to people suggesting 10 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,920 it in the reviews, so yeah, we do read the reviews. So 11 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,240 if you guys want some leave suggestions, you can do it through the reviews 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,520 of the podcast. And people have been asking where is dragon Ball GT And 13 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,040 we're like, all right, so the anime Virgin, which we do with 14 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,200 Briggs right now, we were doing the Demon Share Virgin. We're gonna take 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:14,000 a break from that as Briggs is doing his own Christmas stuff and we're going 16 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:17,599 to be bringing back the Dragonball version. Seeing how far we get into GT 17 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,519 as well, so you have that looking to look forward to as you wait 18 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:25,879 for anime version to come back. And yeah, we're gonna be starting next 19 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:33,640 week hopefully with the episodes one to sixteen of Dragon Ball GT. And I 20 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,159 think it's called the Black Star dragon Ball Saga. Yeah, black Star dragon 21 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:42,560 Ball Saga. So yeah, for the first time, I'll be watching Dragon 22 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,920 Ball GT through from beginning to end. So that's gonna be interesting for me 23 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:52,519 because I just saw like a bit of bit of episodes before. Yeah, 24 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,879 we will both be virgins in some area. Oh yeah, that's that's pretty 25 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,519 cool now GT. If I can recall, this is said in the future, 26 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:07,959 because the Dragon Ball Super was said not too long after Z ended, 27 00:02:07,039 --> 00:02:14,520 right, so this is this isn't the future. Yes, so you're gonna 28 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,639 have a lot of older characters. Yeah, like future, like beyond Super. 29 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,400 It's it's supposed to be i know, always created before Super, but 30 00:02:22,439 --> 00:02:30,400 it's supposed to be yeah after although like it's not cannon in the sense of 31 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:37,319 it's not considered as cannon as Dragon Ball Super. It's more so like a 32 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:43,319 sequel that people don't take too seriously. It should be interesting because I remember 33 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:47,000 how Z ended and it was so freaking weird when Goku and ub just left. 34 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,840 It's like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna leave my fan, I 35 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,840 gotta train this kid. I'll see everyone later. And you thought, what 36 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,039 a weird way to end Dragon Ball Z. So yeah, curious to know 37 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:04,680 m a situation there. Yeah, No, that's gonna be interesting to see. 38 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,080 But for now, let's talk about the Dragon Ball Super chapters that we're 39 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:14,560 catching up too. So I believe it's seventy five to seventy nine. So 40 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:21,639 the last chapter recovered was when Vegeta just turned super, saying no ultra Ego 41 00:03:22,039 --> 00:03:24,960 Vegeta and we didn't even have a name for it at that time. And 42 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:31,439 now we've saw him fight, which was fucking badass. We saw him lose 43 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:42,400 Gas. The whole backstory happened with Bardoc coming back. Then we had Granola 44 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,840 fighting Gas, losing because he was also tired at this point, Goku keeping 45 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:52,960 Gas busy, and then we finally had Vegeta give Granola the sense of being 46 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:54,960 rather than trying to take the glory from himself, which is, by the 47 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,319 way, a very unegoic thing to do. So what up super Ultra Ego 48 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,759 Vegita what's what's up with that move? So that's interesting, and then um, 49 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:10,120 we get the fight between the latest chats we're dropped today, the fight 50 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:13,599 between Gas and Granola, so we can start from the beginning. Just want 51 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:15,920 to give you a rough outline of what we're gonna be covering. Yeah, 52 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,920 there you go. That's the whole thing, folks. You can leave now 53 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:23,680 now. I'm um. Yeah, what were your thoughts on all this? 54 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,399 Right? You covered it pretty well. We did get to see god of 55 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,199 this What would this be? I know you said ultra you called it ultra 56 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:36,160 ego because that's what he calls himself. Is this God of destruction orm for 57 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:45,079 vegeta um god of destruction form from Aga? He's definitely channeling God destruction power. 58 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,000 Yeah, I so it is. It's associated with that. Yeah, 59 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,720 but we don't know, like there could be. You know, he's not 60 00:04:51,759 --> 00:04:56,360 an official God of destruction. No, there's no formal name for you. 61 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,279 All right, So yeah, I mean we were talking about how bad he 62 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,800 looked last time, and he definitely does. Like again, from an esthetic 63 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:08,240 point of view, he looks pretty cool. And I even like him, 64 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,639 Like I talked about the saying armor, how much I like the saying armor, 65 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:15,720 but if you recall, there's a moment where the same armor breaks and 66 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,600 you just see kind of that jumpsuit thing he wears underneath the like kind of 67 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,879 dark blue jumpsuit, and I think he looks pretty bad as there as well. 68 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:28,480 So as a like again, from it like an esthetic point of view, 69 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:31,920 I think this is the coolest form of Vegita we've seen. Yeah, 70 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,519 I gotta agree with you. I think that this arc was amazing. Vegeta 71 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,839 wise, like the Vegina lovel was great. We're gonna get to it. 72 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,399 There was that one part where it's like the Goku finally gives Vegita to go 73 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:49,079 ahead. Hey, I used up my sense of being you didn't use yours. 74 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:54,199 Go for it, like you know, this is your time to shine, 75 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:58,639 and then he gives it to Granola rather than taking it for himself, 76 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:01,079 and it's like, ah, why what I gotta say, so far into 77 00:06:01,399 --> 00:06:05,319 arc, if we compare Vegeta and Goku, but Geeta has had way more 78 00:06:05,319 --> 00:06:11,839 epic moments. Yeah. So, like you mentioned, we have that fight 79 00:06:11,959 --> 00:06:16,120 between him and Granola to start, which I had to remind myself about Granola, 80 00:06:16,199 --> 00:06:18,759 and I'm like, how did Granola get the strong, and I forgot 81 00:06:18,759 --> 00:06:25,399 it was from the Dragon Balls and we're I think we talked about this again. 82 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:28,439 It was a long time since we've had her last episode, but kind 83 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:31,120 of like the cheapness there that he just wishes to be the strongest person in 84 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,800 the universe, and there it is. It happened. So I forgot all 85 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,920 about that and then I had to remind myself. So yeah, that fight 86 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:46,199 was interesting because at first Granolas like man, the more Vegeta gets kind of 87 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:49,360 takes damage, the stronger he gets, which is a very kind kind of 88 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:56,360 like saying like thing. But then we find out, oh yeah for sure, 89 00:06:56,399 --> 00:07:00,800 because it's this whole new form um and you know, get this interesting 90 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:08,079 battle with um Vegeta using this kind of like Freeza esque like energy bomb like 91 00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:14,480 um again like Freezer used and shooting at Granola. But then we see again 92 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:20,720 Granola is not just going to flop over and surrender like he's able to be 93 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:25,879 resilient. He has that wish, So there's something significant there, and so 94 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:29,040 it was a pretty you know, interesting battle. At first, it looked 95 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:34,399 like Vegeta had the upper hand. Then Granola came in and then that backstory 96 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:40,240 as well with the heaters and how they're trying to locate the dragon balls, 97 00:07:40,279 --> 00:07:44,120 which at the time that was very interesting, right, Like, did you 98 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:50,120 think they would bring Bardoc back into it? I so when they were using 99 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,959 the dragon balls, I thought it was going to be to do a similar 100 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:00,560 wish to what Granola did, but no, I did not see that. 101 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:07,519 Yeah, that was fucking interesting, and I obviously we talked about it a 102 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,079 bit already, but I like the fact that at least, although that wish 103 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:16,480 seems super cheap, right, the reasons why I view it in a forgiving 104 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,839 way is one, you have to pay a sacrifice, so you lose lifespan 105 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:24,319 and stuff like that. It's not just oh sure, yeah you're the strongest 106 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,240 now, no consequences, so you have to pay the consequences. Plus, 107 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:33,039 which I really like, it wasn't our main characters, So you know, 108 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:39,000 enemies are totally cool with using those powers, but you know, because they're 109 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:43,320 they're usually associate antagonists are okay with being cheap because, like you know, 110 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,240 it's even harder for our good guys to overcome it. It just would be 111 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:50,159 stupid if like one of our main guys would do that, but they would 112 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,720 never do it. So for that reason, I give it a pass. 113 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:56,120 But yeah, I know that upset a lot of people. It's like, 114 00:08:56,159 --> 00:08:58,559 what the fuck you just wish to be as strongest? Oh, I know, 115 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,240 yeah, it's and it's funny because we don't really I mean, we 116 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:09,960 get way back then in the movie Garlic Junior wishing to be immortal. But 117 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,639 I don't think anyone's ever wished to be the strongest, Like there have been 118 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:18,120 characters who have alluded to the fact. I think even Vegeta at one point, 119 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,679 didn't he say he wanted to wish to be the strongest, like a 120 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:26,120 long long time ago. But yeah, it's this is I believe the first 121 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:31,519 time it's ever happened. Yeah for sure, unless like maybe like some random 122 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:37,120 movie or something like that, but in the Cannon kind of universe. Yeah 123 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,759 yeah, because yeah, like I said, the only time I remember anything 124 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,600 remotely like this is when Garlic Junior said I wish for immortality, and then 125 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,480 we saw they were flaws to that as well, where sure you could be 126 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,720 like immortal, but it doesn't mean you're gonna be the strongest, and you 127 00:09:50,759 --> 00:09:54,240 could just be like grinded to a pulp and still be alive, but be 128 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:58,799 useless. So there's always flaws. I've noticed with these wishes. They're not 129 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:07,759 always just guaranteed to of course, and it wouldn't. Um. Then there's 130 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:11,919 also so you do agree that this is like the coolest Vegeta's looked, right, 131 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,600 uh, even though it's a little like short lived, like we don't 132 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:20,519 yeah so far, but this will definitely become like a staple in the series, 133 00:10:20,759 --> 00:10:24,840 right unless they just blow past it to another form. But I feel 134 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,440 like we're gonna be seeing this for a while, like we saw all trendstinked 135 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:35,360 with Goku. Yeah, so yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how they 136 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,639 end up bringing like making vegeta relevance going forward. I mean you already it 137 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:46,120 seems like Dragon Ball Super is all about making Goku and Vegeta relevant, Like 138 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:50,320 they just kind of tag back and forth to see he's who's more powerful. 139 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,320 So I feel like this is gonna be a common trend going forward. But 140 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:56,639 yeah, I want to see I was able to sustain this form and um, 141 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:03,919 like just as he learns to train and to fight more in this form, 142 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:09,080 like what his capabilities are, because that's a huge thing in dragon Ball 143 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:13,440 like in general is obviously these people are making wishes to be like the strongest. 144 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,159 That doesn't mean they're actually able to be the strongest, because they need 145 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,960 to be able to know how to train and use these moves. Yeah, 146 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,399 and Vegeta and Goku are just so good at like being willing to put him 147 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:28,240 the work exactly, you know, And so that's that's why they would absolutely 148 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,720 never wish for that because obviously it's short changed. It's like a part of 149 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:35,639 the pride of the warrior, and you know, you don't exactly it's not 150 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:41,559 it's not about just wishing to be the strongest, about the journey getting there, 151 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,360 which which is cool, and being able to take pride in the fact 152 00:11:43,399 --> 00:11:48,720 that it's your strength, like Vegeta's emphasizing it didn't wasn't just granted to him 153 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,399 by a god. It's like his own awakened internal strength. So no, 154 00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:54,240 I love that, But I just wanted to say that, Yes, so 155 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,919 he looks badass, but it's also like in the fight itself, the chapter, 156 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:05,000 the first chapter we're covering in this episode, like that's the most badass 157 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:09,440 he's probably ever been, just just like taking all the pain, loving it, 158 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:16,440 like you know, um using it as fuel. Granola saying he's getting 159 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:20,759 stronger the more damage he takes. Obviously, eventually a backfires because like the 160 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:26,120 dude just absorbs so much damage. But at the same time, it's so 161 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:31,320 awesome seeing him react to it, not even phased. At that one point 162 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,240 where he's about to be killed, He's just like, you know what, 163 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,240 this is supposed to be the faith, the fate of the sayings. Then 164 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,919 I acknowledge it, So I thought that was he was just so epic and 165 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,480 all of that. It was kind of crazy when he was willing to take 166 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:48,440 out the whole planet like that was that was a one moment thing, and 167 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,559 then he goes back to like being less egoic after that. I feel like, 168 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,639 but in that one moment, it's like, bro, like what, 169 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:58,600 you're gonna destroy the planet, You're gonna destroy Kecker, You're gonn destroy yourself? 170 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:01,679 Like what's going on? That was my only weird part. Yeah, 171 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:07,679 for sure, but no, I mean I enjoyed that part and trying to 172 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:16,840 think after that, we get that. I guess the flashback right when Granola 173 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:22,399 was a kid and his mom we learned about like the whole situation with the 174 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:28,600 sayings going to cereal and we get the backstory there. Yeah, is that 175 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:31,720 what happens next? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, we do. We 176 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:35,879 do jump into the back story. It is during the I feel like we 177 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:41,799 get a bit of it during the fight between Granola Mageta and then when Munito 178 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:48,039 steps in, because remember Granola's charging that huge attack, which, like you 179 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,960 know, it's probably will do unparalleled damage or whatever. And then finally Manito 180 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:54,639 appears, He's like, no, bro, you were saved by a saying, 181 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,600 and then we jump into the flashback. Yeah, yeah, because all 182 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,840 along and again I had to go back and remind myself with some of these 183 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:09,639 things. Granola is pissed at the sands because he thought they were like the 184 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:16,000 reason for his um like his parents getting killed, which we find out like 185 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,919 his father was his father was killed by a sand right, thinking back to 186 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:26,200 that flashback one of those apes, his father, I don't even recall seeing 187 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,960 his father, or maybe it wasn't his father, maybe someone who looked like 188 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:31,960 him. There was probably someone of the same race or something. Yeah, 189 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:35,879 but yeah, the U So yeah, so it was it was the actual 190 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,799 heaters who were the ones who killed the mother, and so he has this 191 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:46,279 whole false narrative regarding it was the sands and how like he needs to seek 192 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,120 revenge on them. But then kind of like we've seen this before with with 193 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:54,159 other story arcs, how like there's that false narrative and then it's like with 194 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:58,360 Freeze, and then it's disproven that, you know, Freezer was the one 195 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:03,679 who actually destroyed the planets, So yeah, that's dispelled from that flashback from 196 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:09,960 the Nimeckian like you mentioned, who lived with um with Granola, So that 197 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:16,320 was that eye opening kind of moment for him. And then obviously what ends 198 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:20,360 up happening is they end up kind of having a commonality there of saying, 199 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,679 okay, like the heaters are the ones that we should be sort of directing 200 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:30,240 our attention at based on how evil they are both in the past and present. 201 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,360 And then the sky turns black and then we find out that they have 202 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:39,159 summoned the dragon, which their dragon is pretty interesting because I don't think we've 203 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,000 seen this dragon. Yeah, I think it looks very cool. It definitely 204 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:48,559 reminds me of like the big golden dragon you know, that we saw during 205 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,919 the Tournament of Power in Design a bit. But yeah, I really like 206 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,080 the esthetics of this dragon. It was very cool. I think it's if 207 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:00,320 I had to r rank them, I think this is my favorite, even 208 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:06,600 though out of the smaller dragons, even though the first Schenron is just iconic 209 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:10,320 because he's kind of, you know, the one we're used to. He's 210 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,600 the one who started at all. So yeah, but I do really like 211 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:15,240 the design of this one. It's just so crazy, like there is some 212 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:21,320 crazy moments here. Although I think that this arc is fire overall because I 213 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:23,519 love the Vegeta parts, I love bringing Bardoc back. I think there's so 214 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,080 much to love in this arc. There is some random stuff about it, 215 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,159 which is like you only need two dragon balls, right like that that to 216 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,639 me is still weird, Like you know seven is a journey. Two is 217 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:40,519 like you know that it takes no time potentially. Yeah, it's funny. 218 00:16:40,559 --> 00:16:44,559 I totally forgot about two. But then that makes sense because of how quickly 219 00:16:44,559 --> 00:16:48,559 they're able to like resurrect the dragon. Yeah, she was like, all 220 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:51,279 right, I got one, I just need one more, And I just 221 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,480 forgot that that was the thing there. So that's that is funny, Like 222 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:59,639 there's no like it's still called dragon ball, that's still the root of it. 223 00:16:59,679 --> 00:17:02,960 But that whole like you mentioned the whole journey of what the show was 224 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,839 before it is totally gone now it was just this yo um, how much 225 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,279 powerful can you get to finding these opponents? Like that whole narrative has has 226 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,799 gone. It's no longer that, which is fine. I mean that only 227 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:21,039 lasts so long. Yeah, no, so that's that's another interesting part, 228 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,559 like a change or whatever. But yeah, so let's jump into the to 229 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,680 the bar doc stuff. How crazy is it that we might get to see 230 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:36,319 they're hinting at a Gas versus Bardoc fight. Yeah, like that, that 231 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:41,279 to me is fucking crazy, Like how was Gas way less strong back back 232 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:47,119 then? Or was Bardoc like way stronger than we thought he was? Right? 233 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:51,000 Like imagine, you know, he'd have to be pretty strong because Gas 234 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,480 always seem to be pretty powerful, Like he still seems to be like this 235 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,279 trusted strong guy of the group back then. So I'm just wondering. I 236 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:02,480 can't wait to see how Bardoc won. I appreciated like some of the wholesome, 237 00:18:02,519 --> 00:18:07,599 heartwarming stuff with like Bardoc and Goku. And if you go back to 238 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,799 that chapter, you'll even see like a kid Rabbits. You might have like 239 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,279 skipped over it, but you'll see a cute kid rabbits, and then you 240 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:21,359 see like the mom and dad relationship with with Bardoc, and I really like 241 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:26,599 his character here and how he's you know, he's less badass than the movie 242 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,079 potentially, but you know, it's nice to see him growing as a character 243 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:37,160 here and deciding unilaterally to save Granola and his mom despite the fact that you 244 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,319 know, he's putting himself at risk, his family at risk, going against 245 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:45,880 Freezer the other sayings. So, yeah, it's very interesting side of Bardoc 246 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,000 that I didn't really think we'd see. Yeah, and you are right there. 247 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:56,319 So Bardoc was never mentioned any of the Cannon before, right, he 248 00:18:56,559 --> 00:19:02,880 was. I think he was here. It's more Yeah, I don't know 249 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,799 the exact extent of it, but yeah, the movie is not this in 250 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:12,680 this canon, like this is a different Bardoc than the movie Barnock. Yeah, 251 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,960 but I feel like it was always acknowledged that, you know, he's 252 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:22,039 still Barnock, was still the father. We just are getting more information about 253 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:26,880 what he was actually like in this slashback. And I guess that goes to 254 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,279 show how like a lot of these characters who are like we talked about Brolly 255 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:37,079 and stuff, like, they have just such interesting fan interest like the fans 256 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,759 love that, they want to see more of it, So yeah, maybe 257 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:42,079 we see more of this. We mentioned about like seeing maybe more of Browley 258 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:47,079 in the future, so it should be interesting. You mentioned whether there would 259 00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:53,160 be that potential fight. Wasn't there something mentioned about by being like fairly powerful 260 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:00,799 or sorry not brole Bardock being fair like fairly powerful at the time? When 261 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:07,640 where how is that mentioned? I thought there was something about like like in 262 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,000 these chapters, in these chapters somewhere, Maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe I'm thinking, 263 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,440 Yeah, you'd have to remind me exactly what you mean, because I 264 00:20:14,519 --> 00:20:18,960 mean, you know, he got respect from his friends and family, but 265 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,039 I don't recall like a specific phrase of being like, oh he's super powerful. 266 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,960 Um, but clearly he had the respect of his men, like you 267 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:32,720 see that, and like his fellow warriors, and they chose to let him 268 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,920 do his thing and stay behind. You know. There wasn't like a no, 269 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:37,920 bro, what are you doing? We're all leaving. You gotta leave 270 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,880 too, So yeah, it was it was interesting. Um, Like I 271 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:48,359 said, I liked the wholesome stuff. I like the fact that he associated 272 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,359 his family with Granola's family. So then like you got that growth of his 273 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:56,119 character, him going into help and it almost felt like a prequel to Goku's 274 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,240 adventures because you got him like within the Mechia and then like other people and 275 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:06,880 like helping them out against you know, So it's you see where Goku gets 276 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:15,880 his potential. I don't even want to say this because it's difficult to say 277 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,160 because in the series, like he does hit his head, right, he 278 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:22,920 was in dragon Ball, he was sort of evil and then he hits his 279 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,039 head and then all of a sudden, he's like not that evil guy anymore. 280 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:33,720 But I do feel like he was more the fact that Bardock was his 281 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:37,799 father made him more predisposed to end up like this eventually, right, Yeah, 282 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,480 for sure, Like you see parallels in both of their lives, like 283 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:44,799 you said with the Nemechians and things like that. Yeah, So even if 284 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:49,359 it wasn't all like genetics, like I feel like some of it was genetics 285 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:55,440 and helped helped to make a Goku who he is today, which you see 286 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,279 a lot of his behavior reflected in and now Bardock's behavior. So I was 287 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:06,000 interesting, Um, what what do you want to cover next? Well, 288 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:12,640 there was like once Gas ended up, they wished about the strength they're similar 289 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,920 to what they did with Granola and Gas transformed. I thought, like, 290 00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:25,160 I'm pretty sure they mentioned something like gas can transform or create like weapons out 291 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:30,279 of nothing. So it's interesting kind of the the weapons he uses to try 292 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:33,400 to fight, because it's a little bit different. It's not just like using 293 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,279 strength like how we normally get with characters like using you know, energy waves 294 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,960 or using fists. Like he's actually using some weapons, which, yeah, 295 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:44,920 it was creative. I like the fact that it was creative as well. 296 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,960 Volt Or says in the comments in the chat, I guess for Twitch, 297 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,680 but Jeeta said something about Bardock being low class warrior and so yeah, so 298 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,799 actually there was maybe the opposite of like implying his not as strong as as 299 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:06,279 we'll see that he is against gas. But what's also interesting, which I 300 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:08,599 don't think we mentioned, was Goku didn't even know Bardock was his father, 301 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:11,640 right, and Vegina had to be the one to tell him, like, 302 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,359 yeah, bro, this was your dad. So it's just so interesting how 303 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:21,599 Goku never thought to ask Vegina about his heritage or like his father, and 304 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,880 it was all about you know, it was all Vegina informing him and telling 305 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:32,119 him. So I found that hilarious. Don't get in a flashback to when 306 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,000 um, like Goku was in the incubator, there we get to see Goku's 307 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:40,599 mom, Yes, yes, And I don't think have we seen that yet? 308 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:44,400 I don't think maybe just in the movie, but I don't think so, 309 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,079 because we rewatched the entire series, right, and I think in the 310 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,839 in the special there was that woman he fought along with who looked like her, 311 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,960 Yeah, right, Like they definitely looked similar. But no, I 312 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,200 don't think unless there was like some side stuff or side materials that we haven't 313 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,400 covered. We watched all of the episodes and we haven't come across his mother 314 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,319 yet. Yeah, so that was a cool little like reference there that we 315 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,480 haven't gotten at all. So that's that's pretty interesting. Yeah, and so 316 00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:18,000 that explains why Goku Sam brought it up, like why don't they wish back 317 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:22,519 their fathers? Yeah, Goku didn't even think about his father, so he's 318 00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:26,759 probably not wishing on not like think about wishing him back. And also there 319 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,960 is something to be said about like, you know, let's not wish back 320 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,680 everyone. You know, people did have their time to exist and now it's 321 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,200 like the next generation's turn and it would be weird if like everyone just kept 322 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:42,559 wishing, you know, getting wished back. Yeah, Like we get that 323 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:48,279 great moment in dragon Ball when if you remember when Gohan comes back like his 324 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,759 grandpa and he's like, yeah, I actually enjoy it in this afterlife, 325 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,119 like yeah, it's better than I thought, And like, let's not kind 326 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,119 of ruin things and keep bringing me out for the sake of bringing me back, 327 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:06,319 like just let me be in the kind of like let history be kind 328 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,480 of thing. But again, like dragon Ball totally contradicts that in so many 329 00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:15,400 moments when characters keep getting brought back, but they're usually characters who die, 330 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:19,599 like who die, Like like right there, it's not someone who is being 331 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:25,279 brought back from a long time ago. So yeah, and obviously Goku has 332 00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:30,960 to be an exception because although there were talks about initially Goku not coming back 333 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,160 and then Gohan taking over as like the main character, you know, Goku 334 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:40,160 is dragon Ball and so without you you need him in the story, and 335 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,480 without him you'll see even in GT it's revolving around him, and and the 336 00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:48,119 way they deal with him getting older is just like actually, I'm not gonna 337 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,759 spoil it just in case you don't know anything. I'm not gonna spoil anything, 338 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:55,119 but yeah, so I really like Goku is dragon Ball, and like 339 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,759 Vegeta has become like as important to me as Goku. So yeah, with 340 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,079 them, you gotta bring them back if they die, but hopefully your writing 341 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:08,000 can be good enough that they're not dying too much, right because because that's 342 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,279 the thing. If if they don't die, then it's okay, But if 343 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,559 they keep dying, keep being wished back, it just starts to feel cheap, 344 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,480 right, Yeah, that's interesting. You said Vegeta is just as relevant 345 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:26,279 as Goku at that point, and totally agree, Like, like I would 346 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:32,440 hate it. I would hate it so much if Vegeta fell off like became 347 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,519 like a yamtruck kind of thing now and then Goku just kept advancing on his 348 00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:38,519 own, Like that would suck so hard. So yeah, I think we 349 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:44,839 for me at least dragon Ball Super needs to maintain Vegeta's role in the story 350 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,480 right now. I wished before that Gohans was like not did Gohan didn't fall 351 00:26:49,519 --> 00:26:56,680 off? But now I'm just like appreciative that Vegeta's playing that important role and 352 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,960 I just hope he keeps playing it. And if this arc is any indication 353 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,279 he will keep playing it and he'll sometimes outshine Goku like he's been doing this 354 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:10,680 arc so far. Obviously it's not over, but he's definitely been much more 355 00:27:10,759 --> 00:27:15,279 hype than Goku so far. Yeah, and I would agree that it seems 356 00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:19,519 like what Super has done I would separate itself from Dragon Ball Z. Is 357 00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:23,839 I think dragon Ball Z was still like Goku centered. We get a lot 358 00:27:23,839 --> 00:27:29,519 of Gohan, so you think maybe, like you know, the next series 359 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,279 might be like this handoff too Gohan. But I really think the show has 360 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,799 marketed itself around now Goku and Vegeta. Like I'm sure if you look at 361 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,279 merch now that so much of it is both Goku and Vegeta and it's not 362 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:47,599 just like Goku bay himself, whereas before maybe in Dragon Ball dragon Ball ZA 363 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,039 was more Goku centered. I totally agree that, especially like especially before Vegeta 364 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,680 like shows up right, Yeah, this show is the show is like it 365 00:27:56,839 --> 00:28:00,759 it's about both of them now, it's not just one and exist without the 366 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,839 others. So that's cool because I'd mentioned how Vegeta well, I have to 367 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:07,240 go back now, I forget who I said was my favorite character. But 368 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:11,640 future Trunks, right, was the Future Trunks? Yeah, Future Runs I 369 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,519 think was one, and then I think either Go to A Vegeta was two 370 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:22,000 and the other one would be three. But yeah, like I'm glad because 371 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,559 I loved Vegeta and I want to see him sean. I want to see 372 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:29,119 more attention brought to him. So Toper has given me what I want in 373 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,319 that sense. Shout out to Ultimate Cell in the chat, says, I 374 00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:36,799 didn't think dragon Ball would be today, but yeah, so we are pretty 375 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,400 much right now, gonna be doing it around four pm on Mondays, just 376 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,559 filling in until anime Virgin returns and getting in as much episodes as we can. 377 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,559 So yeah, that is I Ultimate Cell used to used to watch our 378 00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:55,240 old episodes two, but I don't think we had an episode in like months. 379 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,359 So cool to see. Cool to see you back, Ultimate and definitely 380 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:07,599 appropriate name for this podcast. Yeah, so I think we ended up talking 381 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:14,119 about how Granola had that kind of he ended up changing sides when he found 382 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:21,039 out about the history there. The gas ended up coming in and so yeah, 383 00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:26,240 there's that selfless move there where like you said, Goku tells Vegeta to 384 00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:30,960 get the sense of being. But then Vegeta ends up finding the bean which 385 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,559 is in his armor, and he gives it to Granola, which for someone 386 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,039 to think about that, what do you think when because that is the part 387 00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:41,759 we were talking about where Goku is like, all right, Vegeta, I 388 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,599 fucked up, and he did, like you know, he was was not 389 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,880 the best with his use of you know, getting fucked and then using a 390 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,119 sense of being immediately and then um, you know, having to get beat 391 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,880 up pretty much again, and so pretty much he said Vegina, it's your 392 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,559 time to shine, and which just like, really, you're gonna let me 393 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:04,680 do it? And he's like yeah, and then all of that build up 394 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,319 to just give it away. So what did you think about that decision? 395 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,720 I don't like it. You don't like it? Yeah, that's fair, 396 00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:15,880 that's fair. I think that. Yeah, like you said, Goku's handing 397 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,599 it over to Vegeta to shine, So let's see Vegeta shine instead of all 398 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:25,200 let's ultra like you said, ultra ego Vegeta and it should be about him. 399 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:27,559 And then he gives a sense you being for Granola to shine, which 400 00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:32,559 is like inconsistent from what I thought his character would be here in this state 401 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,920 and then like, do I really want to see Granola and Gas fighting each 402 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,079 other? Like that's a good point to strong, very good. I don't. 403 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:45,480 I don't care about either of them. No, that's that's good. 404 00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:51,640 I was also like thinking, Granola versus Gas is just not hype. It's 405 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,440 not one of our main characters. You know, people who are old school 406 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,880 fans don't know either of the characters, right, They've pretty much just been 407 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,039 introduced this arc. And yeah, definitely it's not the best for hype creation. 408 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:10,400 But I did say I do respect Vegeta's decision because it shows that despite 409 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,240 the fact that he's reached this new form, that even pushed Granola to reach 410 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,720 a new level, right, So we didn't mention that. So even though 411 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:22,359 he was the strongest, this version of Ageta actually pushed him to grow even 412 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,799 stronger. So yeah, that's another hype thing about Vegeta's new form. Goku 413 00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:30,839 didn't push him to get stronger, but Vegeta's new form push him to get 414 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:37,079 stronger, and then he unlocked that other eye. So there was that really 415 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:45,599 cool part. But the fact is this arc has been presented as Yo Granola's 416 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:51,680 story, right because we started with him, we figured out his backstory, 417 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,240 his mom was killed by the Heaters, and I feel like Vegeta, who 418 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:04,720 has seeked revenge plenty of times against Goku against Freeza, relates to Granola's need 419 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,279 for revenge, and so is being like a really good guy here and giving 420 00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:13,480 it to him. And I respect that from his character, and I get 421 00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:16,279 that this whole arc has been building up Granola's story, and obviously you want 422 00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:21,519 him to get revenge against the people that killed his mother, but I feel 423 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:24,240 you, man, At the same time, I really as like a fan 424 00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:29,559 of dragon Ball rather than this specific arc, I just really wanted to see 425 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,799 Vegeta just fucking kick ass. Well. You know what, when you put 426 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:37,599 it that way, there, I respect for Jeta a little bit more in 427 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,559 the sense of I'm saying it's not my I don't need to shine all the 428 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,279 time, and I'm gonna let this guy exact his revenge. So when you 429 00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:49,920 put it like that, it's a little bit better. But still there was 430 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,920 that level of disappointment. Yeah, and that's that's for I don't think it's 431 00:32:52,960 --> 00:33:00,039 necessarily story pelling bad, but I think just for generating high ape and giving 432 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,519 the fans what they want. You know, the dark is not over yet. 433 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,599 We'll see what happens, but definitely I think we'd all be more hype 434 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:15,240 to see Vegina versus Gas than Granola versus Gas. But someway or another, 435 00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:17,440 I don't know what it's going to be. Somewhere or another. Granola needs 436 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,799 to get his revenge, so whether it's whether it's just against Elk that he 437 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:28,440 finishes him off or else, or he's actually the one who beats Gas. 438 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,440 But I want to say he won't beat Gas. I want to I want 439 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,680 to say that one of our main characters will beat Gas, and then maybe 440 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,000 Grinola will get to deal with Elik, who actually killed his mom. I 441 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:45,839 want to say that because we shouldn't have a side character beat our main villain, 442 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:50,200 you know, for the arc. Yeah, though it is mentioned near 443 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:59,160 the end there how Gas by using like instant hellaportation, that it's not like 444 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:05,599 he's using it more sloppily than Granola. Yeah, so you do notice there's 445 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:07,159 some flaws in his flight. I do think it's gonna flip though. Yeah. 446 00:34:07,159 --> 00:34:12,079 So this last chapter has led us to believe that Granola has a pretty 447 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,880 good chance. And now he's using oatmeal again like the thing he wears around 448 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,360 his eyes that helps him out, which I think is a good sign because 449 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:25,360 let's say Gas is the strongest on his own, but Granola is getting stronger. 450 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,559 Plus he has this assistant to help him fight, so maybe like together, 451 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,639 they can surpass gap. So there is they are making us think that 452 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:38,320 Granola can win this, but I personally want to say that Granola is not 453 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,320 gonna win and our main character gonna have to beat him. But then Granola 454 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:50,320 might get revenge against Elk or something like that, because yeah, if we 455 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,679 see nothing more from Goquin Magia this arc, I feel like that would be 456 00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:02,480 super unorthodox and a somewhat unsatisfied conclusion to the arc unless they want to do 457 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:07,079 something completely out of right field. And again, it's not going to be 458 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,880 great for the fans. The fans aren't going to care. I also want 459 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,920 to say Valtor said something good into comments, and I love when you guys 460 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,960 comments something that I totally forgot but I wanted to mention and this is one 461 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,719 of those times. So he said Gas could have a few hours left after 462 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,519 the wish for all we know. That's another very interesting concept that we didn't 463 00:35:25,519 --> 00:35:30,320 talk about, so we know that Granola had to give up a bunch of 464 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:36,079 his lifespan in order to get this strong but he chose to do it, 465 00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:40,599 and he knew the consequences. What's going to happen when they find when Gas 466 00:35:40,679 --> 00:35:45,440 finds out that Elik made the wish for him, and then Gas also has 467 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,119 to like sacrifice his lifespan, which we don't know how much. Yeah, 468 00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:55,400 it might even be hours. And Elik was willing to sacrifice him for using 469 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,159 his power and using him as a tool. Right, So there's this whole 470 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:05,880 possibility that Ass could turn on Elik because Elik has been you know, wanting 471 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,079 to not value his life and valuing a victory Moore and value to using him 472 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:14,840 as a tool. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. But Elik 473 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:20,480 is a strategic dude, but a huge scumbag and he definitely needs to get 474 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,320 his just deserts this arc. He's been the shittiest guy of the whole arc. 475 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,679 Yeah, so yeah, maybe there's this other change that we see character 476 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,760 coming over to the other side. So yeah, it is it's totally possible. 477 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,519 I totally get that. Yeah, we'll see, Like I don't I 478 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:42,000 don't know if you know. I do think there needs to be like an 479 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,880 epic fight against gas. I don't think that could be avoided, but I 480 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:53,639 do think I'm looking forward to seeing his reaction to figuring out that his family, 481 00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:58,480 the person he looks up to the most, who thinks he's the closest 482 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:04,159 too, was willing to sacrifice his life just so he'd be a more useful 483 00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,119 tool. If if that's the case. Right, we don't know exactly what 484 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:12,679 the consequences of the wish will be, but that's just the implication because of 485 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,320 the way Granola's wish worked. Yeah, no, it could be. Yeah, 486 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,239 man, I love talking about this, Like it's been so long, 487 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,440 so it's it's cool to be able to talk about Dragon Ball. No, 488 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,559 and this is cool, Like this is the first time I think we talked 489 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:31,840 about an episode or a chapter the day it came out, right, So 490 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,760 we are on the cutting edge right now, Like this just came out today 491 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,199 a few hours ago or no wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, he 492 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:45,039 came out a few hours ago on the viz dot com app, and yeah 493 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:46,320 we read it today and now we're talking about it. So yeah, it's 494 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:52,559 really cool. Yeah for sure. Yeah, I mean, oh yeah, 495 00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,039 shout out to web Cam who says, I'm so happy there's an episode today 496 00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:01,239 with crying faces. Yes, yes, we're happy, you're happy. Yes, 497 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,760 and we're happy. We're hoping that you like GT because that will be 498 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,000 next or not. But like we the OCD and me wants to like at 499 00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:14,840 least try to cover it. Yeah, we want to like and yeah, 500 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,079 like, um, you know, it's cool seeing the Dragon Ball Virgin is 501 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:21,199 still kicking, right. We haven't made new episodes in a while, but 502 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,559 I see there are downloads every day and still people leaving reviews asking when we're 503 00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:29,880 covering GT. So yeah, I appreciate the love, and yeah, that's 504 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,960 part of the reason we wanted to keep going and cover GT for sure. 505 00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,000 Is there anything else you think with these few chapters? I know there weren't 506 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:46,039 many chapters obviously. Well, the interesting thing is that Granola it doesn't seem 507 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:50,519 to be going all out for a while, right, and he's just using 508 00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:53,320 that weapon creation ability, which is unique and cool. You know, we 509 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,360 had some like bugs Bunny moments where he takes the giant mallet and hits Goku 510 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,199 with it, but it turns out that's his actual ability, not the dragon 511 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:07,079 given ubility, and he was using it because he has this sense of pride 512 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,440 which was hinted at before, and he wants to beat Granola and the others 513 00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:17,039 just using his own power that he crafted. Right, But then Granola getting 514 00:39:17,079 --> 00:39:22,800 stronger and teaming out teaming up with Oatmeal again pushes him to the point where 515 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:28,440 Gas views it as a failure. But he has to resort to his new 516 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,559 powers, and then that's where we start to see the fact that he's not 517 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,760 used to them yet kick in right, the whole thing. But Geta was 518 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,559 mentioning when he was fighting against Granola, they're not yet used to their new 519 00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:42,920 powers because they just got him through a cheap way, for lack of a 520 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,920 better way of saying it. So that's interesting, right, Gas is pride. 521 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:53,519 I think there's gonna need to be some Gas Goku more from that, 522 00:39:53,800 --> 00:40:00,239 because we know that he's haunted by Bardoc and gonna have to get that backstory 523 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,320 right. And then I feel like Goku and him will have to have some 524 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,000 more moments because so far he's just been kicking Goku's ass, right, But 525 00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:14,320 because Goku is a relation to Bardoc, the guy who embarrassed him before, 526 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:21,519 I feel like we might get more of Goku versus versus a Gas, So 527 00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:25,559 it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. So many moving parts here, 528 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,840 and I look forward to seeing where it goes. I thought this latest 529 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:37,280 chapter was actually the least interesting, just because, as we mentioned, it 530 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:44,360 was Granola and Gas, right, which to me, I I'm caring more 531 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,599 about Granola than I did before, Like we're learning more about him and stuff 532 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:53,880 like that, but you know, I'd still rather see Vegeta in action and 533 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,519 then Granola. Yeah, And it's tough when you get like this has been 534 00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:02,440 a long series in general since Dragon Ball, and I don't know, I 535 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,960 can't create this super close connection to a character like Granola who was just coming 536 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:14,119 in this arc. Sure you get the backstory, but like, again, 537 00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:19,920 do I really want to see a lot of Granola going forward? Like I 538 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,280 don't know, not necessarily, Like I'd like to see him get his revenge, 539 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:28,480 but I'm not just dying to see more Granola and more backstory more like 540 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:34,400 Yeah, I like. The reason I forgive the Granola focus so far is 541 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,679 because even in the backstory it tied into Bardock, which is like saves that 542 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,280 because I'm like, holy shit, like okay, that's amazing. I love 543 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,239 Bardock. One of my favorite characters bringing him back for more is very interesting. 544 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,719 Right. So the reason why I forgive, or let's say, I'm 545 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,000 not that bothered by the fact that we spend so much time with Granola and 546 00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:00,639 the heaters is because they did a job of tying it into say, in 547 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,800 history to Bardoc to Freeza. You know, they did a good job of 548 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:12,480 tying it into the existing world rather than just let's say, brand new characters 549 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,679 with no connections to the past. Yeah, and the time what the nmeicians 550 00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:21,280 was pretty interesting as well, like getting more contexts about them, even though 551 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:22,960 like, I'm not crazy about the nameicians. It's not like, oh this 552 00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:27,400 is like a part of love about dragon Ball so much, but it is 553 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,599 cool to get more like historical contacts of them. Yea, and weeb Cam 554 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:37,320 was saying how he loves Vegeta's character and he likes him helping Granola and it 555 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,559 reminds him of the namic scene when he asks Gooku to avenge him, and 556 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,440 yeah, like I think Vegeta's so Veggia got a power up, but also 557 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,159 this are Yeah, there's a focus on his character and if we remember, 558 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,440 there's this recurring thing about Vegeta feeling bad for what he did to the Namicians, 559 00:42:55,119 --> 00:43:02,559 and so I feel like here, by helping another endangured race, you 560 00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:07,880 know, it's showing a lot of character growth, and he's become this guy 561 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:14,679 who really wants to help out and mentor the underdogs. And we saw that 562 00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:19,119 when he did it with the others saying from the other universe, and we 563 00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:22,360 saw it with here with Granola, like he's mentoring him at understanding where he's 564 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:27,679 coming from and giving him a chance with the sense of being to earn the 565 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:34,079 revenge that Vegeta really couldn't because priesus like too strong, and that's still out 566 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:40,360 there. So yeah, I'm enjoying the Vegeta focus, but like you said, 567 00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:45,559 I don't want I'm okay with what we got from Granola so far, 568 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:51,639 but I don't want like three chapters focusing on Granola and then just seeing Vegeta 569 00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:53,079 and Goku react, right, Like, I don't want that. You know, 570 00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:58,280 this one was enough. They better become more relevant than the next few 571 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,360 chapters. Oh yeah, and hopefully the next couple of chapters aren't focused on 572 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,880 that fight between them two like Granola and Gas, because I would just be 573 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,599 I don't want to see that being drawn out of Yeah, there's plenty to 574 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:13,760 look forward to. To. What extent is Vegeta's power going to grow and 575 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:19,119 what part is it going to play this arc? Goku, what's he got 576 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,960 to do with gas as Bardock's son, the Bardoc backstory we still need. 577 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,119 There's definitely gonna be the revenge against elk Alick has a coming, like a 578 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,679 hundred percent know that. So there's a lot to look forward to. It's 579 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,119 just going to depend on how they space it out and the speed and pace 580 00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,639 of it. Hopefully they don't drag it out too much. But so far, 581 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,480 I think it's been pretty good. I do want to say, because 582 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,840 you have way more of a scope of anime and longer than I do, 583 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:53,559 like comparatively speaking, because we have been focusing on Vegeta for this these few 584 00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:59,920 episodes or these few chapters. Sorry, where would you rank his transformation as 585 00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:06,079 character compared to like other predominant anime out there? Like? Is he right 586 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,400 near the top in terms of a character who was first you know, one 587 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:16,719 way and then has completely changed into like another. Because because Dragon Ball Z 588 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,159 is so big, I think he stands out as almost like a face for 589 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:28,159 that character. Transformation. But yeah, it just depends on the series because 590 00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:35,159 this is a shown in But then you have more like anime that employee realism 591 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,960 and their transformations might be more subtle, right, And might be it might 592 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,639 be a more character focused than battle focused series. Um, but I do 593 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:51,000 think Vegeta when you think about anime and you think about big transformations, Vegeta 594 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:54,639 is one of the ones that stands out the most among all anime fans. 595 00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,639 Yeah. Yeah, because I'm even thinking of other narratives as well beyond Like, 596 00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:02,760 I'm trying to think I'm a character, and I you know, there 597 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,199 has to be characters that changed. But I'm trying to think of characters that 598 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,199 changed over the course of the story. And honestly, like maybe it's because 599 00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,119 we're just talking about dragon Ball Virgin, but most of them I'm thinking from 600 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:21,440 dragon Ball, I'm thinking Zenitsu, like from Demon Slayer, he changes, 601 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,039 that's not really a spoiler, but he changes a lot over the course of 602 00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:30,199 the series. Um. Yeah, Deku from my hero Academia, Right, 603 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:36,400 he's changing. Um, but did they change from like a serious enemy at 604 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,079 the beginning most of the time? No more. No, it's not that 605 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:45,119 it's not that it's mostly like turning from cry baby to badass, like that 606 00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:51,480 kind of transformation, but no villain to good guy. Um, Naruto has 607 00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:54,159 some good ones. Naruto has some good transformations a villains the good guys. 608 00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:57,360 Again, I don't want to ruin that for you because you haven't watched Naruto 609 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,119 yet, but but even I feel like Naruto is heavily inspired by by dragon 610 00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:08,719 Ball. And you have Naruto's like has an orange jumpsuit and which is very 611 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,800 reminiscent of Goku's clothing. He has blonde hair, like he's super Saian all 612 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:19,679 the time. Like there's just a lot of parallels between Naruto and dragon Ball. 613 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,519 Everything goes back to dragon Ball, it seems, I mean, for 614 00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:30,079 this kind of battle shown in that portrays like a tale of growth of getting 615 00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:35,000 stronger and stronger and fighting tough opponus and then getting stronger like dragon Ball was 616 00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:39,440 definitely a huge pioneer and probably the most important one because there were battle series 617 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:45,119 before this, but most of them were just badass guys being badassed. There 618 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:53,159 wasn't that focus on constantly getting stronger. Yeah, No, I mean definitely, 619 00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:57,960 I've seen it, like from a cultural perspective, when I you know, 620 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,880 go to different places. A lot of people know, like there's a 621 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,159 lot of dragon Ball merch out there. I've noticed even around this time, 622 00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:08,079 going Christmas shopping, a lot of dragon Ball out there in the like cultural 623 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:13,719 ether. So yeah, for sure, Like it's definitely had an impact on 624 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,280 many different things besides just the shown in anime, and it goes beyond anime. 625 00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:22,599 I love it. Like when I would remember in the university, just 626 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:29,360 made a became friends with some dude in one of my classes and figured out 627 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,159 he had like a four star dragon Ball tattoo on his arm, and I'm 628 00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:34,880 like, oh, that's sick, and he's like yeah, bro, Like 629 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,159 I absolutely loved that story. Inspires me every day, And it was just 630 00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:43,440 like in no way we were just like in a class about something completely different. 631 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,199 In no way did I know he'd be into anime, and yet like 632 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,440 dragon Ball changed his life, right, And he's a dude who like constantly 633 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,440 worked out and dragon Ball like motivated him in that way too. I think 634 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:59,079 a lot of people who work out get inspiration from dragon Ball and like try 635 00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:01,960 to get dragon Ball, you know, use the idea of going super sayan 636 00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:07,320 to motivate themselves. So yeah, it's just it goes beyond anime. It's 637 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:13,599 like just a phenomenon that you don't have to be an anime fan to enjoy. 638 00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:19,000 That reminds me remember that really stupid anecdote I gave how I was driving 639 00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:22,760 one time and I was stopped at like a light and this guy walked by 640 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:29,119 and like the Goku outfit with the with the with the like kisim or whatever, 641 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:30,480 and I kind of nodded at him, and he nodded back, and 642 00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:35,880 I'm like, bro, that was probably the stupidest creepiest thing, Like, 643 00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:38,599 yeah, what do you mean stupidest creepiest thing. Well, I just like 644 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,679 I just assumed, like because I like you think, like, yeah, 645 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,760 you think about I thought you were like interested in him, like in a 646 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:54,480 different way, and you have just this pervy smile on your face, just 647 00:49:54,519 --> 00:50:00,159 like yes, yes, no, no, for sure. Yeah. I 648 00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:05,159 think dragon Ball brings a lot of us together. And yeah, and I 649 00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:08,760 think anime is growing big time and a lot more anime are becoming mainstream. 650 00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:14,920 And you could judge this in a way by looking at in rap what kind 651 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,519 of anime are referenced, And it used to be mostly dragon Ball, then 652 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,800 dragon Ball, Naruto and now you have like sometimes more obscure stuff. And 653 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:29,320 yeah, Demon Slayer, like I said, is like broke through in a 654 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:35,559 big way, in a way where it's a Japanese focused thing that a lot 655 00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:38,199 of people were exposed too. So that's bringing in more people into anime. 656 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,440 And yeah, I just feel like animals can get bigger and bigger, and 657 00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:45,920 you know, dragon Ball is a big part of it. But yeah, 658 00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:51,960 now it's just fucking crazy. Like I didn't think in high school that anime 659 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:55,000 would end up being this big. Yeah, you have to definitely share with 660 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,320 me some of those songs that reference dragon Ball. Be curious to listen to 661 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,760 them. Oh yeah, like you could google it. You could google it, 662 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,119 but like, yeah, for sure, I'll I'll look into it. 663 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:12,239 All right. Well, guys, um, you know, the we spend 664 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,039 about a bunch of time here talking about how much we love dragon Ball, 665 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:21,039 so that's sick. But let's remind you, guys that the dragon Ball GT. 666 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,920 Virgin is starting next week with episodes one to sixteen, so pretty much 667 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:31,039 covering the Black Star dragon Ball saga. Look forward to that. I'm very 668 00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:37,400 excited. Ray, are you excited for that? I am. I'm definitely 669 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,159 gonna keep like an open mind. Yeah, and I don't think we can 670 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:45,440 have like yeah, I don't think we could have a huge disappointment because our 671 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,159 expectations are not high. Right, we've measured, you know, like we 672 00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:52,239 don't have like, Yo, this is gonna be the best thing ever. 673 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,639 We've heard the negative stuff said about it. We've heard some pausive stuff. 674 00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:58,800 I get it was said about it. So it'll be interesting going into it 675 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:06,000 with an open mind. And until next time see US based Cowboys Bang