What up? Everyone, Welcome back to the dragon Ball Virgin Podcast. It's
been quite a while and we are here to catch up to dragon Ball Super.
In the last episode, which was our thirty eighth episode, we caught
up all the way to Vegeta's new form and since then, I believe like
about five chapters have come out, so we covered those chapters today. You
got me goes on from animey up War, and of course Ray the dragon
Ball Virgin whatep Ray whatep goes in. It's been a long time, but
happy to be back talking about my original anime, dragon Ball. Yeah,
so there's that, and we're going to also be doing thanks to people suggesting
it in the reviews, so yeah, we do read the reviews. So
if you guys want some leave suggestions, you can do it through the reviews
of the podcast. And people have been asking where is dragon Ball GT And
we're like, all right, so the anime Virgin, which we do with
Briggs right now, we were doing the Demon Share Virgin. We're gonna take
a break from that as Briggs is doing his own Christmas stuff and we're going
to be bringing back the Dragonball version. Seeing how far we get into GT
as well, so you have that looking to look forward to as you wait
for anime version to come back. And yeah, we're gonna be starting next
week hopefully with the episodes one to sixteen of Dragon Ball GT. And I
think it's called the Black Star dragon Ball Saga. Yeah, black Star dragon
Ball Saga. So yeah, for the first time, I'll be watching Dragon
Ball GT through from beginning to end. So that's gonna be interesting for me
because I just saw like a bit of bit of episodes before. Yeah,
we will both be virgins in some area. Oh yeah, that's that's pretty
cool now GT. If I can recall, this is said in the future,
because the Dragon Ball Super was said not too long after Z ended,
right, so this is this isn't the future. Yes, so you're gonna
have a lot of older characters. Yeah, like future, like beyond Super.
It's it's supposed to be i know, always created before Super, but
it's supposed to be yeah after although like it's not cannon in the sense of
it's not considered as cannon as Dragon Ball Super. It's more so like a
sequel that people don't take too seriously. It should be interesting because I remember
how Z ended and it was so freaking weird when Goku and ub just left.
It's like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna leave my fan, I
gotta train this kid. I'll see everyone later. And you thought, what
a weird way to end Dragon Ball Z. So yeah, curious to know
m a situation there. Yeah, No, that's gonna be interesting to see.
But for now, let's talk about the Dragon Ball Super chapters that we're
catching up too. So I believe it's seventy five to seventy nine. So
the last chapter recovered was when Vegeta just turned super, saying no ultra Ego
Vegeta and we didn't even have a name for it at that time. And
now we've saw him fight, which was fucking badass. We saw him lose
Gas. The whole backstory happened with Bardoc coming back. Then we had Granola
fighting Gas, losing because he was also tired at this point, Goku keeping
Gas busy, and then we finally had Vegeta give Granola the sense of being
rather than trying to take the glory from himself, which is, by the
way, a very unegoic thing to do. So what up super Ultra Ego
Vegita what's what's up with that move? So that's interesting, and then um,
we get the fight between the latest chats we're dropped today, the fight
between Gas and Granola, so we can start from the beginning. Just want
to give you a rough outline of what we're gonna be covering. Yeah,
there you go. That's the whole thing, folks. You can leave now
now. I'm um. Yeah, what were your thoughts on all this?
Right? You covered it pretty well. We did get to see god of
this What would this be? I know you said ultra you called it ultra
ego because that's what he calls himself. Is this God of destruction orm for
vegeta um god of destruction form from Aga? He's definitely channeling God destruction power.
Yeah, I so it is. It's associated with that. Yeah,
but we don't know, like there could be. You know, he's not
an official God of destruction. No, there's no formal name for you.
All right, So yeah, I mean we were talking about how bad he
looked last time, and he definitely does. Like again, from an esthetic
point of view, he looks pretty cool. And I even like him,
Like I talked about the saying armor, how much I like the saying armor,
but if you recall, there's a moment where the same armor breaks and
you just see kind of that jumpsuit thing he wears underneath the like kind of
dark blue jumpsuit, and I think he looks pretty bad as there as well.
So as a like again, from it like an esthetic point of view,
I think this is the coolest form of Vegita we've seen. Yeah,
I gotta agree with you. I think that this arc was amazing. Vegeta
wise, like the Vegina lovel was great. We're gonna get to it.
There was that one part where it's like the Goku finally gives Vegita to go
ahead. Hey, I used up my sense of being you didn't use yours.
Go for it, like you know, this is your time to shine,
and then he gives it to Granola rather than taking it for himself,
and it's like, ah, why what I gotta say, so far into
arc, if we compare Vegeta and Goku, but Geeta has had way more
epic moments. Yeah. So, like you mentioned, we have that fight
between him and Granola to start, which I had to remind myself about Granola,
and I'm like, how did Granola get the strong, and I forgot
it was from the Dragon Balls and we're I think we talked about this again.
It was a long time since we've had her last episode, but kind
of like the cheapness there that he just wishes to be the strongest person in
the universe, and there it is. It happened. So I forgot all
about that and then I had to remind myself. So yeah, that fight
was interesting because at first Granolas like man, the more Vegeta gets kind of
takes damage, the stronger he gets, which is a very kind kind of
like saying like thing. But then we find out, oh yeah for sure,
because it's this whole new form um and you know, get this interesting
battle with um Vegeta using this kind of like Freeza esque like energy bomb like
um again like Freezer used and shooting at Granola. But then we see again
Granola is not just going to flop over and surrender like he's able to be
resilient. He has that wish, So there's something significant there, and so
it was a pretty you know, interesting battle. At first, it looked
like Vegeta had the upper hand. Then Granola came in and then that backstory
as well with the heaters and how they're trying to locate the dragon balls,
which at the time that was very interesting, right, Like, did you
think they would bring Bardoc back into it? I so when they were using
the dragon balls, I thought it was going to be to do a similar
wish to what Granola did, but no, I did not see that.
Yeah, that was fucking interesting, and I obviously we talked about it a
bit already, but I like the fact that at least, although that wish
seems super cheap, right, the reasons why I view it in a forgiving
way is one, you have to pay a sacrifice, so you lose lifespan
and stuff like that. It's not just oh sure, yeah you're the strongest
now, no consequences, so you have to pay the consequences. Plus,
which I really like, it wasn't our main characters, So you know,
enemies are totally cool with using those powers, but you know, because they're
they're usually associate antagonists are okay with being cheap because, like you know,
it's even harder for our good guys to overcome it. It just would be
stupid if like one of our main guys would do that, but they would
never do it. So for that reason, I give it a pass.
But yeah, I know that upset a lot of people. It's like,
what the fuck you just wish to be as strongest? Oh, I know,
yeah, it's and it's funny because we don't really I mean, we
get way back then in the movie Garlic Junior wishing to be immortal. But
I don't think anyone's ever wished to be the strongest, Like there have been
characters who have alluded to the fact. I think even Vegeta at one point,
didn't he say he wanted to wish to be the strongest, like a
long long time ago. But yeah, it's this is I believe the first
time it's ever happened. Yeah for sure, unless like maybe like some random
movie or something like that, but in the Cannon kind of universe. Yeah
yeah, because yeah, like I said, the only time I remember anything
remotely like this is when Garlic Junior said I wish for immortality, and then
we saw they were flaws to that as well, where sure you could be
like immortal, but it doesn't mean you're gonna be the strongest, and you
could just be like grinded to a pulp and still be alive, but be
useless. So there's always flaws. I've noticed with these wishes. They're not
always just guaranteed to of course, and it wouldn't. Um. Then there's
also so you do agree that this is like the coolest Vegeta's looked, right,
uh, even though it's a little like short lived, like we don't
yeah so far, but this will definitely become like a staple in the series,
right unless they just blow past it to another form. But I feel
like we're gonna be seeing this for a while, like we saw all trendstinked
with Goku. Yeah, so yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how they
end up bringing like making vegeta relevance going forward. I mean you already it
seems like Dragon Ball Super is all about making Goku and Vegeta relevant, Like
they just kind of tag back and forth to see he's who's more powerful.
So I feel like this is gonna be a common trend going forward. But
yeah, I want to see I was able to sustain this form and um,
like just as he learns to train and to fight more in this form,
like what his capabilities are, because that's a huge thing in dragon Ball
like in general is obviously these people are making wishes to be like the strongest.
That doesn't mean they're actually able to be the strongest, because they need
to be able to know how to train and use these moves. Yeah,
and Vegeta and Goku are just so good at like being willing to put him
the work exactly, you know, And so that's that's why they would absolutely
never wish for that because obviously it's short changed. It's like a part of
the pride of the warrior, and you know, you don't exactly it's not
it's not about just wishing to be the strongest, about the journey getting there,
which which is cool, and being able to take pride in the fact
that it's your strength, like Vegeta's emphasizing it didn't wasn't just granted to him
by a god. It's like his own awakened internal strength. So no,
I love that, But I just wanted to say that, Yes, so
he looks badass, but it's also like in the fight itself, the chapter,
the first chapter we're covering in this episode, like that's the most badass
he's probably ever been, just just like taking all the pain, loving it,
like you know, um using it as fuel. Granola saying he's getting
stronger the more damage he takes. Obviously, eventually a backfires because like the
dude just absorbs so much damage. But at the same time, it's so
awesome seeing him react to it, not even phased. At that one point
where he's about to be killed, He's just like, you know what,
this is supposed to be the faith, the fate of the sayings. Then
I acknowledge it, So I thought that was he was just so epic and
all of that. It was kind of crazy when he was willing to take
out the whole planet like that was that was a one moment thing, and
then he goes back to like being less egoic after that. I feel like,
but in that one moment, it's like, bro, like what,
you're gonna destroy the planet, You're gonna destroy Kecker, You're gonn destroy yourself?
Like what's going on? That was my only weird part. Yeah,
for sure, but no, I mean I enjoyed that part and trying to
think after that, we get that. I guess the flashback right when Granola
was a kid and his mom we learned about like the whole situation with the
sayings going to cereal and we get the backstory there. Yeah, is that
what happens next? Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, we do. We
do jump into the back story. It is during the I feel like we
get a bit of it during the fight between Granola Mageta and then when Munito
steps in, because remember Granola's charging that huge attack, which, like you
know, it's probably will do unparalleled damage or whatever. And then finally Manito
appears, He's like, no, bro, you were saved by a saying,
and then we jump into the flashback. Yeah, yeah, because all
along and again I had to go back and remind myself with some of these
things. Granola is pissed at the sands because he thought they were like the
reason for his um like his parents getting killed, which we find out like
his father was his father was killed by a sand right, thinking back to
that flashback one of those apes, his father, I don't even recall seeing
his father, or maybe it wasn't his father, maybe someone who looked like
him. There was probably someone of the same race or something. Yeah,
but yeah, the U So yeah, so it was it was the actual
heaters who were the ones who killed the mother, and so he has this
whole false narrative regarding it was the sands and how like he needs to seek
revenge on them. But then kind of like we've seen this before with with
other story arcs, how like there's that false narrative and then it's like with
Freeze, and then it's disproven that, you know, Freezer was the one
who actually destroyed the planets, So yeah, that's dispelled from that flashback from
the Nimeckian like you mentioned, who lived with um with Granola, So that
was that eye opening kind of moment for him. And then obviously what ends
up happening is they end up kind of having a commonality there of saying,
okay, like the heaters are the ones that we should be sort of directing
our attention at based on how evil they are both in the past and present.
And then the sky turns black and then we find out that they have
summoned the dragon, which their dragon is pretty interesting because I don't think we've
seen this dragon. Yeah, I think it looks very cool. It definitely
reminds me of like the big golden dragon you know, that we saw during
the Tournament of Power in Design a bit. But yeah, I really like
the esthetics of this dragon. It was very cool. I think it's if
I had to r rank them, I think this is my favorite, even
though out of the smaller dragons, even though the first Schenron is just iconic
because he's kind of, you know, the one we're used to. He's
the one who started at all. So yeah, but I do really like
the design of this one. It's just so crazy, like there is some
crazy moments here. Although I think that this arc is fire overall because I
love the Vegeta parts, I love bringing Bardoc back. I think there's so
much to love in this arc. There is some random stuff about it,
which is like you only need two dragon balls, right like that that to
me is still weird, Like you know seven is a journey. Two is
like you know that it takes no time potentially. Yeah, it's funny.
I totally forgot about two. But then that makes sense because of how quickly
they're able to like resurrect the dragon. Yeah, she was like, all
right, I got one, I just need one more, And I just
forgot that that was the thing there. So that's that is funny, Like
there's no like it's still called dragon ball, that's still the root of it.
But that whole like you mentioned the whole journey of what the show was
before it is totally gone now it was just this yo um, how much
powerful can you get to finding these opponents? Like that whole narrative has has
gone. It's no longer that, which is fine. I mean that only
lasts so long. Yeah, no, so that's that's another interesting part,
like a change or whatever. But yeah, so let's jump into the to
the bar doc stuff. How crazy is it that we might get to see
they're hinting at a Gas versus Bardoc fight. Yeah, like that, that
to me is fucking crazy, Like how was Gas way less strong back back
then? Or was Bardoc like way stronger than we thought he was? Right?
Like imagine, you know, he'd have to be pretty strong because Gas
always seem to be pretty powerful, Like he still seems to be like this
trusted strong guy of the group back then. So I'm just wondering. I
can't wait to see how Bardoc won. I appreciated like some of the wholesome,
heartwarming stuff with like Bardoc and Goku. And if you go back to
that chapter, you'll even see like a kid Rabbits. You might have like
skipped over it, but you'll see a cute kid rabbits, and then you
see like the mom and dad relationship with with Bardoc, and I really like
his character here and how he's you know, he's less badass than the movie
potentially, but you know, it's nice to see him growing as a character
here and deciding unilaterally to save Granola and his mom despite the fact that you
know, he's putting himself at risk, his family at risk, going against
Freezer the other sayings. So, yeah, it's very interesting side of Bardoc
that I didn't really think we'd see. Yeah, and you are right there.
So Bardoc was never mentioned any of the Cannon before, right, he
was. I think he was here. It's more Yeah, I don't know
the exact extent of it, but yeah, the movie is not this in
this canon, like this is a different Bardoc than the movie Barnock. Yeah,
but I feel like it was always acknowledged that, you know, he's
still Barnock, was still the father. We just are getting more information about
what he was actually like in this slashback. And I guess that goes to
show how like a lot of these characters who are like we talked about Brolly
and stuff, like, they have just such interesting fan interest like the fans
love that, they want to see more of it, So yeah, maybe
we see more of this. We mentioned about like seeing maybe more of Browley
in the future, so it should be interesting. You mentioned whether there would
be that potential fight. Wasn't there something mentioned about by being like fairly powerful
or sorry not brole Bardock being fair like fairly powerful at the time? When
where how is that mentioned? I thought there was something about like like in
these chapters, in these chapters somewhere, Maybe I'm mistaken. Maybe I'm thinking,
Yeah, you'd have to remind me exactly what you mean, because I
mean, you know, he got respect from his friends and family, but
I don't recall like a specific phrase of being like, oh he's super powerful.
Um, but clearly he had the respect of his men, like you
see that, and like his fellow warriors, and they chose to let him
do his thing and stay behind. You know. There wasn't like a no,
bro, what are you doing? We're all leaving. You gotta leave
too, So yeah, it was it was interesting. Um, Like I
said, I liked the wholesome stuff. I like the fact that he associated
his family with Granola's family. So then like you got that growth of his
character, him going into help and it almost felt like a prequel to Goku's
adventures because you got him like within the Mechia and then like other people and
like helping them out against you know, So it's you see where Goku gets
his potential. I don't even want to say this because it's difficult to say
because in the series, like he does hit his head, right, he
was in dragon Ball, he was sort of evil and then he hits his
head and then all of a sudden, he's like not that evil guy anymore.
But I do feel like he was more the fact that Bardock was his
father made him more predisposed to end up like this eventually, right, Yeah,
for sure, Like you see parallels in both of their lives, like
you said with the Nemechians and things like that. Yeah, So even if
it wasn't all like genetics, like I feel like some of it was genetics
and helped helped to make a Goku who he is today, which you see
a lot of his behavior reflected in and now Bardock's behavior. So I was
interesting, Um, what what do you want to cover next? Well,
there was like once Gas ended up, they wished about the strength they're similar
to what they did with Granola and Gas transformed. I thought, like,
I'm pretty sure they mentioned something like gas can transform or create like weapons out
of nothing. So it's interesting kind of the the weapons he uses to try
to fight, because it's a little bit different. It's not just like using
strength like how we normally get with characters like using you know, energy waves
or using fists. Like he's actually using some weapons, which, yeah,
it was creative. I like the fact that it was creative as well.
Volt Or says in the comments in the chat, I guess for Twitch,
but Jeeta said something about Bardock being low class warrior and so yeah, so
actually there was maybe the opposite of like implying his not as strong as as
we'll see that he is against gas. But what's also interesting, which I
don't think we mentioned, was Goku didn't even know Bardock was his father,
right, and Vegina had to be the one to tell him, like,
yeah, bro, this was your dad. So it's just so interesting how
Goku never thought to ask Vegina about his heritage or like his father, and
it was all about you know, it was all Vegina informing him and telling
him. So I found that hilarious. Don't get in a flashback to when
um, like Goku was in the incubator, there we get to see Goku's
mom, Yes, yes, And I don't think have we seen that yet?
I don't think maybe just in the movie, but I don't think so,
because we rewatched the entire series, right, and I think in the
in the special there was that woman he fought along with who looked like her,
Yeah, right, Like they definitely looked similar. But no, I
don't think unless there was like some side stuff or side materials that we haven't
covered. We watched all of the episodes and we haven't come across his mother
yet. Yeah, so that was a cool little like reference there that we
haven't gotten at all. So that's that's pretty interesting. Yeah, and so
that explains why Goku Sam brought it up, like why don't they wish back
their fathers? Yeah, Goku didn't even think about his father, so he's
probably not wishing on not like think about wishing him back. And also there
is something to be said about like, you know, let's not wish back
everyone. You know, people did have their time to exist and now it's
like the next generation's turn and it would be weird if like everyone just kept
wishing, you know, getting wished back. Yeah, Like we get that
great moment in dragon Ball when if you remember when Gohan comes back like his
grandpa and he's like, yeah, I actually enjoy it in this afterlife,
like yeah, it's better than I thought, And like, let's not kind
of ruin things and keep bringing me out for the sake of bringing me back,
like just let me be in the kind of like let history be kind
of thing. But again, like dragon Ball totally contradicts that in so many
moments when characters keep getting brought back, but they're usually characters who die,
like who die, Like like right there, it's not someone who is being
brought back from a long time ago. So yeah, and obviously Goku has
to be an exception because although there were talks about initially Goku not coming back
and then Gohan taking over as like the main character, you know, Goku
is dragon Ball and so without you you need him in the story, and
without him you'll see even in GT it's revolving around him, and and the
way they deal with him getting older is just like actually, I'm not gonna
spoil it just in case you don't know anything. I'm not gonna spoil anything,
but yeah, so I really like Goku is dragon Ball, and like
Vegeta has become like as important to me as Goku. So yeah, with
them, you gotta bring them back if they die, but hopefully your writing
can be good enough that they're not dying too much, right because because that's
the thing. If if they don't die, then it's okay, But if
they keep dying, keep being wished back, it just starts to feel cheap,
right, Yeah, that's interesting. You said Vegeta is just as relevant
as Goku at that point, and totally agree, Like, like I would
hate it. I would hate it so much if Vegeta fell off like became
like a yamtruck kind of thing now and then Goku just kept advancing on his
own, Like that would suck so hard. So yeah, I think we
for me at least dragon Ball Super needs to maintain Vegeta's role in the story
right now. I wished before that Gohans was like not did Gohan didn't fall
off? But now I'm just like appreciative that Vegeta's playing that important role and
I just hope he keeps playing it. And if this arc is any indication
he will keep playing it and he'll sometimes outshine Goku like he's been doing this
arc so far. Obviously it's not over, but he's definitely been much more
hype than Goku so far. Yeah, and I would agree that it seems
like what Super has done I would separate itself from Dragon Ball Z. Is
I think dragon Ball Z was still like Goku centered. We get a lot
of Gohan, so you think maybe, like you know, the next series
might be like this handoff too Gohan. But I really think the show has
marketed itself around now Goku and Vegeta. Like I'm sure if you look at
merch now that so much of it is both Goku and Vegeta and it's not
just like Goku bay himself, whereas before maybe in Dragon Ball dragon Ball ZA
was more Goku centered. I totally agree that, especially like especially before Vegeta
like shows up right, Yeah, this show is the show is like it
it's about both of them now, it's not just one and exist without the
others. So that's cool because I'd mentioned how Vegeta well, I have to
go back now, I forget who I said was my favorite character. But
future Trunks, right, was the Future Trunks? Yeah, Future Runs I
think was one, and then I think either Go to A Vegeta was two
and the other one would be three. But yeah, like I'm glad because
I loved Vegeta and I want to see him sean. I want to see
more attention brought to him. So Toper has given me what I want in
that sense. Shout out to Ultimate Cell in the chat, says, I
didn't think dragon Ball would be today, but yeah, so we are pretty
much right now, gonna be doing it around four pm on Mondays, just
filling in until anime Virgin returns and getting in as much episodes as we can.
So yeah, that is I Ultimate Cell used to used to watch our
old episodes two, but I don't think we had an episode in like months.
So cool to see. Cool to see you back, Ultimate and definitely
appropriate name for this podcast. Yeah, so I think we ended up talking
about how Granola had that kind of he ended up changing sides when he found
out about the history there. The gas ended up coming in and so yeah,
there's that selfless move there where like you said, Goku tells Vegeta to
get the sense of being. But then Vegeta ends up finding the bean which
is in his armor, and he gives it to Granola, which for someone
to think about that, what do you think when because that is the part
we were talking about where Goku is like, all right, Vegeta, I
fucked up, and he did, like you know, he was was not
the best with his use of you know, getting fucked and then using a
sense of being immediately and then um, you know, having to get beat
up pretty much again, and so pretty much he said Vegina, it's your
time to shine, and which just like, really, you're gonna let me
do it? And he's like yeah, and then all of that build up
to just give it away. So what did you think about that decision?
I don't like it. You don't like it? Yeah, that's fair,
that's fair. I think that. Yeah, like you said, Goku's handing
it over to Vegeta to shine, So let's see Vegeta shine instead of all
let's ultra like you said, ultra ego Vegeta and it should be about him.
And then he gives a sense you being for Granola to shine, which
is like inconsistent from what I thought his character would be here in this state
and then like, do I really want to see Granola and Gas fighting each
other? Like that's a good point to strong, very good. I don't.
I don't care about either of them. No, that's that's good.
I was also like thinking, Granola versus Gas is just not hype. It's
not one of our main characters. You know, people who are old school
fans don't know either of the characters, right, They've pretty much just been
introduced this arc. And yeah, definitely it's not the best for hype creation.
But I did say I do respect Vegeta's decision because it shows that despite
the fact that he's reached this new form, that even pushed Granola to reach
a new level, right, So we didn't mention that. So even though
he was the strongest, this version of Ageta actually pushed him to grow even
stronger. So yeah, that's another hype thing about Vegeta's new form. Goku
didn't push him to get stronger, but Vegeta's new form push him to get
stronger, and then he unlocked that other eye. So there was that really
cool part. But the fact is this arc has been presented as Yo Granola's
story, right because we started with him, we figured out his backstory,
his mom was killed by the Heaters, and I feel like Vegeta, who
has seeked revenge plenty of times against Goku against Freeza, relates to Granola's need
for revenge, and so is being like a really good guy here and giving
it to him. And I respect that from his character, and I get
that this whole arc has been building up Granola's story, and obviously you want
him to get revenge against the people that killed his mother, but I feel
you, man, At the same time, I really as like a fan
of dragon Ball rather than this specific arc, I just really wanted to see
Vegeta just fucking kick ass. Well. You know what, when you put
it that way, there, I respect for Jeta a little bit more in
the sense of I'm saying it's not my I don't need to shine all the
time, and I'm gonna let this guy exact his revenge. So when you
put it like that, it's a little bit better. But still there was
that level of disappointment. Yeah, and that's that's for I don't think it's
necessarily story pelling bad, but I think just for generating high ape and giving
the fans what they want. You know, the dark is not over yet.
We'll see what happens, but definitely I think we'd all be more hype
to see Vegina versus Gas than Granola versus Gas. But someway or another,
I don't know what it's going to be. Somewhere or another. Granola needs
to get his revenge, so whether it's whether it's just against Elk that he
finishes him off or else, or he's actually the one who beats Gas.
But I want to say he won't beat Gas. I want to I want
to say that one of our main characters will beat Gas, and then maybe
Grinola will get to deal with Elik, who actually killed his mom. I
want to say that because we shouldn't have a side character beat our main villain,
you know, for the arc. Yeah, though it is mentioned near
the end there how Gas by using like instant hellaportation, that it's not like
he's using it more sloppily than Granola. Yeah, so you do notice there's
some flaws in his flight. I do think it's gonna flip though. Yeah.
So this last chapter has led us to believe that Granola has a pretty
good chance. And now he's using oatmeal again like the thing he wears around
his eyes that helps him out, which I think is a good sign because
let's say Gas is the strongest on his own, but Granola is getting stronger.
Plus he has this assistant to help him fight, so maybe like together,
they can surpass gap. So there is they are making us think that
Granola can win this, but I personally want to say that Granola is not
gonna win and our main character gonna have to beat him. But then Granola
might get revenge against Elk or something like that, because yeah, if we
see nothing more from Goquin Magia this arc, I feel like that would be
super unorthodox and a somewhat unsatisfied conclusion to the arc unless they want to do
something completely out of right field. And again, it's not going to be
great for the fans. The fans aren't going to care. I also want
to say Valtor said something good into comments, and I love when you guys
comments something that I totally forgot but I wanted to mention and this is one
of those times. So he said Gas could have a few hours left after
the wish for all we know. That's another very interesting concept that we didn't
talk about, so we know that Granola had to give up a bunch of
his lifespan in order to get this strong but he chose to do it,
and he knew the consequences. What's going to happen when they find when Gas
finds out that Elik made the wish for him, and then Gas also has
to like sacrifice his lifespan, which we don't know how much. Yeah,
it might even be hours. And Elik was willing to sacrifice him for using
his power and using him as a tool. Right, So there's this whole
possibility that Ass could turn on Elik because Elik has been you know, wanting
to not value his life and valuing a victory Moore and value to using him
as a tool. So it'll be interesting to see what happens. But Elik
is a strategic dude, but a huge scumbag and he definitely needs to get
his just deserts this arc. He's been the shittiest guy of the whole arc.
Yeah, so yeah, maybe there's this other change that we see character
coming over to the other side. So yeah, it is it's totally possible.
I totally get that. Yeah, we'll see, Like I don't I
don't know if you know. I do think there needs to be like an
epic fight against gas. I don't think that could be avoided, but I
do think I'm looking forward to seeing his reaction to figuring out that his family,
the person he looks up to the most, who thinks he's the closest
too, was willing to sacrifice his life just so he'd be a more useful
tool. If if that's the case. Right, we don't know exactly what
the consequences of the wish will be, but that's just the implication because of
the way Granola's wish worked. Yeah, no, it could be. Yeah,
man, I love talking about this, Like it's been so long,
so it's it's cool to be able to talk about Dragon Ball. No,
and this is cool, Like this is the first time I think we talked
about an episode or a chapter the day it came out, right, So
we are on the cutting edge right now, Like this just came out today
a few hours ago or no wait, yeah, yeah, yeah, he
came out a few hours ago on the viz dot com app, and yeah
we read it today and now we're talking about it. So yeah, it's
really cool. Yeah for sure. Yeah, I mean, oh yeah,
shout out to web Cam who says, I'm so happy there's an episode today
with crying faces. Yes, yes, we're happy, you're happy. Yes,
and we're happy. We're hoping that you like GT because that will be
next or not. But like we the OCD and me wants to like at
least try to cover it. Yeah, we want to like and yeah,
like, um, you know, it's cool seeing the Dragon Ball Virgin is
still kicking, right. We haven't made new episodes in a while, but
I see there are downloads every day and still people leaving reviews asking when we're
covering GT. So yeah, I appreciate the love, and yeah, that's
part of the reason we wanted to keep going and cover GT for sure.
Is there anything else you think with these few chapters? I know there weren't
many chapters obviously. Well, the interesting thing is that Granola it doesn't seem
to be going all out for a while, right, and he's just using
that weapon creation ability, which is unique and cool. You know, we
had some like bugs Bunny moments where he takes the giant mallet and hits Goku
with it, but it turns out that's his actual ability, not the dragon
given ubility, and he was using it because he has this sense of pride
which was hinted at before, and he wants to beat Granola and the others
just using his own power that he crafted. Right, But then Granola getting
stronger and teaming out teaming up with Oatmeal again pushes him to the point where
Gas views it as a failure. But he has to resort to his new
powers, and then that's where we start to see the fact that he's not
used to them yet kick in right, the whole thing. But Geta was
mentioning when he was fighting against Granola, they're not yet used to their new
powers because they just got him through a cheap way, for lack of a
better way of saying it. So that's interesting, right, Gas is pride.
I think there's gonna need to be some Gas Goku more from that,
because we know that he's haunted by Bardoc and gonna have to get that backstory
right. And then I feel like Goku and him will have to have some
more moments because so far he's just been kicking Goku's ass, right, But
because Goku is a relation to Bardoc, the guy who embarrassed him before,
I feel like we might get more of Goku versus versus a Gas, So
it'll be interesting to see how that plays out. So many moving parts here,
and I look forward to seeing where it goes. I thought this latest
chapter was actually the least interesting, just because, as we mentioned, it
was Granola and Gas, right, which to me, I I'm caring more
about Granola than I did before, Like we're learning more about him and stuff
like that, but you know, I'd still rather see Vegeta in action and
then Granola. Yeah, And it's tough when you get like this has been
a long series in general since Dragon Ball, and I don't know, I
can't create this super close connection to a character like Granola who was just coming
in this arc. Sure you get the backstory, but like, again,
do I really want to see a lot of Granola going forward? Like I
don't know, not necessarily, Like I'd like to see him get his revenge,
but I'm not just dying to see more Granola and more backstory more like
Yeah, I like. The reason I forgive the Granola focus so far is
because even in the backstory it tied into Bardock, which is like saves that
because I'm like, holy shit, like okay, that's amazing. I love
Bardock. One of my favorite characters bringing him back for more is very interesting.
Right. So the reason why I forgive, or let's say, I'm
not that bothered by the fact that we spend so much time with Granola and
the heaters is because they did a job of tying it into say, in
history to Bardoc to Freeza. You know, they did a good job of
tying it into the existing world rather than just let's say, brand new characters
with no connections to the past. Yeah, and the time what the nmeicians
was pretty interesting as well, like getting more contexts about them, even though
like, I'm not crazy about the nameicians. It's not like, oh this
is like a part of love about dragon Ball so much, but it is
cool to get more like historical contacts of them. Yea, and weeb Cam
was saying how he loves Vegeta's character and he likes him helping Granola and it
reminds him of the namic scene when he asks Gooku to avenge him, and
yeah, like I think Vegeta's so Veggia got a power up, but also
this are Yeah, there's a focus on his character and if we remember,
there's this recurring thing about Vegeta feeling bad for what he did to the Namicians,
and so I feel like here, by helping another endangured race, you
know, it's showing a lot of character growth, and he's become this guy
who really wants to help out and mentor the underdogs. And we saw that
when he did it with the others saying from the other universe, and we
saw it with here with Granola, like he's mentoring him at understanding where he's
coming from and giving him a chance with the sense of being to earn the
revenge that Vegeta really couldn't because priesus like too strong, and that's still out
there. So yeah, I'm enjoying the Vegeta focus, but like you said,
I don't want I'm okay with what we got from Granola so far,
but I don't want like three chapters focusing on Granola and then just seeing Vegeta
and Goku react, right, Like, I don't want that. You know,
this one was enough. They better become more relevant than the next few
chapters. Oh yeah, and hopefully the next couple of chapters aren't focused on
that fight between them two like Granola and Gas, because I would just be
I don't want to see that being drawn out of Yeah, there's plenty to
look forward to. To. What extent is Vegeta's power going to grow and
what part is it going to play this arc? Goku, what's he got
to do with gas as Bardock's son, the Bardoc backstory we still need.
There's definitely gonna be the revenge against elk Alick has a coming, like a
hundred percent know that. So there's a lot to look forward to. It's
just going to depend on how they space it out and the speed and pace
of it. Hopefully they don't drag it out too much. But so far,
I think it's been pretty good. I do want to say, because
you have way more of a scope of anime and longer than I do,
like comparatively speaking, because we have been focusing on Vegeta for this these few
episodes or these few chapters. Sorry, where would you rank his transformation as
character compared to like other predominant anime out there? Like? Is he right
near the top in terms of a character who was first you know, one
way and then has completely changed into like another. Because because Dragon Ball Z
is so big, I think he stands out as almost like a face for
that character. Transformation. But yeah, it just depends on the series because
this is a shown in But then you have more like anime that employee realism
and their transformations might be more subtle, right, And might be it might
be a more character focused than battle focused series. Um, but I do
think Vegeta when you think about anime and you think about big transformations, Vegeta
is one of the ones that stands out the most among all anime fans.
Yeah. Yeah, because I'm even thinking of other narratives as well beyond Like,
I'm trying to think I'm a character, and I you know, there
has to be characters that changed. But I'm trying to think of characters that
changed over the course of the story. And honestly, like maybe it's because
we're just talking about dragon Ball Virgin, but most of them I'm thinking from
dragon Ball, I'm thinking Zenitsu, like from Demon Slayer, he changes,
that's not really a spoiler, but he changes a lot over the course of
the series. Um. Yeah, Deku from my hero Academia, Right,
he's changing. Um, but did they change from like a serious enemy at
the beginning most of the time? No more. No, it's not that
it's not that it's mostly like turning from cry baby to badass, like that
kind of transformation, but no villain to good guy. Um, Naruto has
some good ones. Naruto has some good transformations a villains the good guys.
Again, I don't want to ruin that for you because you haven't watched Naruto
yet, but but even I feel like Naruto is heavily inspired by by dragon
Ball. And you have Naruto's like has an orange jumpsuit and which is very
reminiscent of Goku's clothing. He has blonde hair, like he's super Saian all
the time. Like there's just a lot of parallels between Naruto and dragon Ball.
Everything goes back to dragon Ball, it seems, I mean, for
this kind of battle shown in that portrays like a tale of growth of getting
stronger and stronger and fighting tough opponus and then getting stronger like dragon Ball was
definitely a huge pioneer and probably the most important one because there were battle series
before this, but most of them were just badass guys being badassed. There
wasn't that focus on constantly getting stronger. Yeah, No, I mean definitely,
I've seen it, like from a cultural perspective, when I you know,
go to different places. A lot of people know, like there's a
lot of dragon Ball merch out there. I've noticed even around this time,
going Christmas shopping, a lot of dragon Ball out there in the like cultural
ether. So yeah, for sure, Like it's definitely had an impact on
many different things besides just the shown in anime, and it goes beyond anime.
I love it. Like when I would remember in the university, just
made a became friends with some dude in one of my classes and figured out
he had like a four star dragon Ball tattoo on his arm, and I'm
like, oh, that's sick, and he's like yeah, bro, Like
I absolutely loved that story. Inspires me every day, And it was just
like in no way we were just like in a class about something completely different.
In no way did I know he'd be into anime, and yet like
dragon Ball changed his life, right, And he's a dude who like constantly
worked out and dragon Ball like motivated him in that way too. I think
a lot of people who work out get inspiration from dragon Ball and like try
to get dragon Ball, you know, use the idea of going super sayan
to motivate themselves. So yeah, it's just it goes beyond anime. It's
like just a phenomenon that you don't have to be an anime fan to enjoy.
That reminds me remember that really stupid anecdote I gave how I was driving
one time and I was stopped at like a light and this guy walked by
and like the Goku outfit with the with the with the like kisim or whatever,
and I kind of nodded at him, and he nodded back, and
I'm like, bro, that was probably the stupidest creepiest thing, Like,
yeah, what do you mean stupidest creepiest thing. Well, I just like
I just assumed, like because I like you think, like, yeah,
you think about I thought you were like interested in him, like in a
different way, and you have just this pervy smile on your face, just
like yes, yes, no, no, for sure. Yeah. I
think dragon Ball brings a lot of us together. And yeah, and I
think anime is growing big time and a lot more anime are becoming mainstream.
And you could judge this in a way by looking at in rap what kind
of anime are referenced, And it used to be mostly dragon Ball, then
dragon Ball, Naruto and now you have like sometimes more obscure stuff. And
yeah, Demon Slayer, like I said, is like broke through in a
big way, in a way where it's a Japanese focused thing that a lot
of people were exposed too. So that's bringing in more people into anime.
And yeah, I just feel like animals can get bigger and bigger, and
you know, dragon Ball is a big part of it. But yeah,
now it's just fucking crazy. Like I didn't think in high school that anime
would end up being this big. Yeah, you have to definitely share with
me some of those songs that reference dragon Ball. Be curious to listen to
them. Oh yeah, like you could google it. You could google it,
but like, yeah, for sure, I'll I'll look into it.
All right. Well, guys, um, you know, the we spend
about a bunch of time here talking about how much we love dragon Ball,
so that's sick. But let's remind you, guys that the dragon Ball GT.
Virgin is starting next week with episodes one to sixteen, so pretty much
covering the Black Star dragon Ball saga. Look forward to that. I'm very
excited. Ray, are you excited for that? I am. I'm definitely
gonna keep like an open mind. Yeah, and I don't think we can
have like yeah, I don't think we could have a huge disappointment because our
expectations are not high. Right, we've measured, you know, like we
don't have like, Yo, this is gonna be the best thing ever.
We've heard the negative stuff said about it. We've heard some pausive stuff.
I get it was said about it. So it'll be interesting going into it
with an open mind. And until next time see US based Cowboys Bang