WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:10.480 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys are your favorites, 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:20.839 so light say subscribe and rade it. I'm stuck and me listening, oh 3 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:29.160 watching, Lim always keep it swatching. And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and 4 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:33.079 James Boobo Fay, Hey Bobs, how you doing? Man? All right? 5 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:35.840 How are you doing? Cliff? Pretty good? Pretty good, Just 6 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:38.240 cruising along at the end of my day, doing a podcast with some of 7 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:44.039 my best friends. So everything's looking down. Guys, who's that Matt Pruitt 8 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:50.359 and Bobo of course? All right, Hey Bobs, we're pretty excited. 9 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:52.600 Why don't you let's get us into the guests. Man, this is too 10 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:56.240 good to talk anything else about. Yeah, I've heard of this guys. 11 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:58.960 Uh, you know, I heard about him for a while ago, but 12 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:03.840 I don't remember the details ory thing. But yeah, our illustrious producer Matt 13 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:08.680 Pruitt actually got in touch with him and it was pretty shocking to hear that's 14 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.439 who that. When I heard he said he got ahold of him, I 15 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.480 was like, Wow, that's nuts. So Matt tell us tell us how 16 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:15.760 you got ahold of him? Yeah, it was really funny. One of 17 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:19.879 our beloved members. One of our Patreon members had reached out to me and 18 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:23.319 said, hey, I understand you know, we live in the same town. 19 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.000 We should meet up and have lunch talk squatch. And no one's ever 20 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:29.200 accused me of not talking enough, so I was like, oh, I 21 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:32.959 had an opportunity to go talk, you know. So we're hanging out and 22 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:36.519 making small talk. And I'd asked him like, what got you into interested 23 00:01:36.560 --> 00:01:38.480 in the subject, and he said, well, I was always kind of 24 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:41.879 interested. But I met a guy here in Nashville who had seen one and 25 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:44.519 I was like, well, that's cool, and he said yeah, he 26 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:49.159 was actually an elk hunter and a guide in Colorado. And I was like, 27 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.400 oh, that's really interesting and he said yeah, he watched it through 28 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:56.040 binoculars for a few minutes, and I immediately recognized the story because I was 29 00:01:56.040 --> 00:02:00.760 always a big fan of the writings of a researcher from Kansas named Keith Foster, 30 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:05.680 and he actually worked with a number of elk hunters and people that were 31 00:02:05.719 --> 00:02:09.280 prominent in that community in Colorado to put together a lot of information about Sasquatch 32 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:13.680 sidings there. And then there was a journalist for the Denver Post named Theo 33 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:15.840 Stein who had written this. So I immediately I just took a chance with 34 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:19.919 this guy and I said, Hey, is this friend of yours? Is 35 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.240 his name Jeff die Singer? And he was like, yeah, how did 36 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:23.759 you know that? And I was like, I got a pretty good memory 37 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:29.120 man for sasquatch related stuff, and so to learn that he lived here in 38 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:31.639 the same area as I do, I reached out and we had a great 39 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:35.560 conversation, and I thought, we've got to get him on the podcast. 40 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:38.960 And so I know you guys are somewhat familiar with the story, but I'm 41 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:44.039 going to let Jeff tell it, so you guys can host the conversation and 42 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:47.080 I'm all here for it. All right, good score pro So welcome Jeff, 43 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:51.199 thanks so much for coming on. Hey, thank you guys, Hey, 44 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:57.199 Joe, Hey, Bobo. I will say this to just begin that 45 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:04.400 I have never done a podcast on this ever. I've done a bunch of 46 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:12.199 podcast on elk hunting and backcountry bow hunting and and shooting professional archery but in 47 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:16.400 the military stuff, but I've never done this, so so this will be 48 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:20.840 a first for me. Yeah, us too, We've never had you on 49 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:25.800 this. It'll be great. Yeah, this will be fund you condense your 50 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:30.639 like what you usually say on a on a podcast about hunting, kind of 51 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:34.919 kind of gave us a prettif inch on you like what your what your qualifications 52 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:38.240 in the woods are. Sure. I grew up here in middle Tennessee, 53 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:43.599 small town, grew up hunting, uh, you know, mostly small game, 54 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:47.879 that kind of stuff. Grew up hunting a place that y'all are probably 55 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:53.719 familiar with. I heard of called Land between the Lakes. Never once in 56 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:59.879 my life have I ever thought about Bigfoot, especially all the time I spent 57 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:04.199 down there as a kid. And then, you know, after high school, 58 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:06.960 I went to the military. I was a part of the seventy fifth 59 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:13.400 Special Forces out of Fort Benning. Been deployed in South and Central America, 60 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:19.040 Africa, over in the Middle East. So did that, and I was 61 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:24.360 with a QRF, a Quick Reaction Force team, so if people got in 62 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:26.759 trouble, it was our job to go and get them out and that sort 63 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:30.600 of thing. I was a part of Somalia where I was you know, 64 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:34.120 wounded three times over there. And so anyway, I got out, went 65 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:39.800 to college in Oklahoma, played a little baseball there, and then after college 66 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:46.040 I came back to Nashville, and played music professionally for about three years. 67 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:50.720 What'd you play. I'm a piano player by trade. Yeah, I've been 68 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:56.240 doing that my whole life. But and I'm it's weird because you know, 69 00:04:56.319 --> 00:05:00.800 of course Nashville is a country vibe and all of that. But I grew 70 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:04.279 up playing a lot of blues, Southern Almond Brothers, that kind of stuff. 71 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:10.160 Those were my influences. And anyway, when I was on the road, 72 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:15.439 I would always go out to Colorado and go elk hunt. And one 73 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:18.480 year, the year before I got out of the music business, I had 74 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:25.519 called in this bull elk and had shot him with a recurved bow, and 75 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.920 I thought I was the only person in the world. And I'm down there, 76 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:32.319 you know, quarnering and skinning this thing. And I was about six 77 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:38.920 miles in I was backpacked bow hunting, and this was probably like ninety five, 78 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:44.600 maybe ninety six, somewhere in there, and this cowboy rode up on 79 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.360 a horse with like two mules out of nowhere and scared the snot out of 80 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:53.879 me and ended up being the owner of one of the largest outfitters in the 81 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:58.240 country, really is Pike's Peak Outfitters. And he said he'd set up on 82 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.319 the mountain and watched that whole thing, and he goes, you ever want 83 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.839 a job, call me, And by Georgie the next year, I've had 84 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:09.759 enough of the music business, and and so I called him and kind of 85 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:15.399 escaped out to Colorado and and started guiding full time. So and you know, 86 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:19.160 did that in the fall, and then they also had a wilderness program 87 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:25.879 and was an instructor there during the summer and and you know, book tunts 88 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:28.879 and that sort of thing. So I was I was only one of two 89 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:33.399 guys that were full time there when everybody else was seasonal. And so I 90 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:39.800 spent literally probably three hundred days a year out you know, in the outside. 91 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:45.199 So so yeah, and then you know that brings that brings us to 92 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:48.759 when when the sighting happened? Really, you know, so, uh, 93 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:53.560 before we do go onto that, how did you take Dicky Bett's death? 94 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:56.920 By the way, Uh, guitarist for the Almen Brothers. Do you want 95 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:01.399 me to be honest? Not a huge Dickey fan. He was the mean 96 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:04.240 one of the bunch, you know. I got to say, I've never 97 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:09.439 seen a picture of him smile. Good player, no great player, great 98 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:12.839 player, But I mean when you're playing beside Dwayne Almand. I mean, 99 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:18.360 does it get much better than Dwayne? Really? But I will say this, 100 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:23.639 Dicky's a heck of a songwriter and a heck of a player, and 101 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:29.319 I'm sure that his fans are sad. And of course, you know, 102 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:33.439 half of the Allman Brothers are gone now, but as far as the band 103 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:39.399 is concerned, most all of them are gone. Really, But I didn't 104 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:42.680 take it too hard, not when Dicky died. So gosh, well, 105 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:45.240 you mentioned that's the timely sort of thing. I wanted to ask about that. 106 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:47.279 Why had a chance? So okay, so let's get get back to 107 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:53.120 the big foot thing, which I guess is important for this podcast before your 108 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:57.000 encounter, which we'll get to in just a moment. How much credence or 109 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:59.759 how much thought ever went into the big foot thing at all? Was? 110 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:05.000 He wrote? Zero? It was just nonsense, this background garbage noise that 111 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.759 you've been hearing about probably most of your life. Never really thought about it, 112 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.720 that's kind of thing. The only time that Bigfoot ever came up in 113 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:16.000 my life. And this is gonna sound bad because I should have probably researched 114 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:18.800 this. But when I was a kid, maybe twelve thirteen years old. 115 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:26.439 There was a movie now and this is y'all might can help me with this. 116 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:30.240 But I remember in the movie they'd put out like this electric fence out 117 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.559 in the middle of nowhere, and this thing was breaking all the barriers. 118 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:37.240 And I had gone to see that, and you know, when I walked 119 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:39.279 out of that, I was like, Oh, that's crazy there. You 120 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:45.080 know, those things don't aren't real what you're about. Oh so if I 121 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:48.600 was so seventy seven, i'd have been ten. So probably seventy eight, 122 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:52.960 seventy nine. Maybe that's a Probably that Sasquatch one where all the guys going 123 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:56.759 that that horse train out into the woods. Get Yes, that's it, 124 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:58.840 Yeah, that one. What is it? We have a poster of it 125 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.480 on staves in the museum a Sasquatch. It's called Sasquatch the Legend of Bigfoot. 126 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.159 There you go, yeah, thank you, Matt Pruitt. Sasquatch the 127 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:09.360 Legend of Bigfoot. Yeah, nineteen sixty eight or something like that, or 128 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:15.440 I mean nineteen seventy six rather yeah, so yeah, I was like nine, 129 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:20.600 nine or ten. Yeah, So anyway, I saw that, and 130 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:24.240 you know, had no credence towards that at all, like, you know, 131 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:28.679 I'm in Tennessee. You know that's it's a big old hoax. And 132 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:33.000 I don't know that you even really see sasquatch in that movie. And so 133 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:39.399 I never believed in anything like that ever. So you know, even when 134 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:43.919 I got to the Mountains of Colorado, I just nobody ever brought it up, 135 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:50.440 and you know, and I honestly never thought about it. So well, 136 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:54.320 then let's let's go into your sighting. What's the context? What were 137 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:58.039 you doing out there? When was this? You know, all that sort 138 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:01.000 of stuff kind of lead us up to a walk us through it. So 139 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:07.039 and I'm sorry, I am so unprepared. I did a report right after 140 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:11.159 the right after I had the second sighting, So that report on the BFRO 141 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:15.200 will tell you. I want to say. It was like ninety eight. 142 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:20.440 Maybe I had been guiding for a couple of years, had won Colorado Guide 143 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.320 of the Year the year before, I do remember that, and so we 144 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:30.080 me and the head guide that summer had found a spot on the backside of 145 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:35.519 PAC's Peak back in the wilderness area there that summer and had found just a 146 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:41.440 bunch of elk, and so he and I decided that two weeks prior to 147 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:45.200 season, we would go in, take a couple of the new guys and 148 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.559 set up some wall tents and you know, corrals for the horses. Because 149 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.840 it was my horse. It was probably about a three and a half four 150 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.960 hour ride by horse. And so we'd gone in and you know a couple 151 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:01.799 of weeks prior to the season, and by that time I had clients that 152 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:05.200 repeat clients, so they had hunted with me in years, you know, 153 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:09.840 a couple of years passed and he had definitely had repeat clients, and so 154 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:13.960 we're like, man, let's let's give these guys a great hunt. And 155 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:18.159 so we took me and him, Bob Gorman. We had we each had 156 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:26.039 two clients and then we had a cook slash, a wrangler. He took 157 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:30.679 care of the horses and stuff. And so the day the clients get in 158 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:39.159 we have so four six we had seven horses and probably eight mules to pack 159 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:43.080 everybody stuff in on and all of that for a seven day hunt. And 160 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:48.600 each client had an elk tag and each client had a deer tag, and 161 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.759 one of my clients actually had a bear tag. So we went in that 162 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.919 you know, we went in on a Saturday. We got there Saturday afternoon 163 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.960 and got it. Everybody settled, and you know, the cook did his 164 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:07.399 thing and just had a great afternoon and evening riding in. And next morning 165 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:13.600 we get up and we killed three elk right away, three bulls, and 166 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:18.080 we're having like, we're like, holy cow, this is amazing. I 167 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:20.639 don't know if you've ever done that or not, but when you kill an 168 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.480 elk, it's it's an all day process, really, and so when you 169 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:30.080 kill three elk, it's really an all day process. And so you know, 170 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:33.559 we didn't finish till late at night. And then the next day my 171 00:12:33.639 --> 00:12:37.639 other client who didn't kill he and I went out by ourselves while the rest 172 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:43.960 of them went meal dier honey, and my client killed a bull that morning 173 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.960 about nine o'clock. Well, so we start working on that elk and we 174 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:52.600 get back, well, the other three guys had already killed a mule dinner. 175 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.120 I'm like, holy cow. They're like, we're having a like the 176 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:01.919 best time ever, you know. And so anyway, the next morning we 177 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.679 get up and my client kills a mule deer and we went back to one 178 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:09.240 of the gut piles, and that afternoon he shot a bear. So in 179 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:13.960 three days we had killed you know, four four deer and a bear. 180 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:20.000 I mean, it was just the most amazing thing. And so it was 181 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:24.679 on a Wednesday, Wednesday or Thursday, and we decided that we were going 182 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.720 to pack the meat out, and where the wrench was was close to a 183 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:33.519 town called Cripple Creek. They're on the back side of Pike's Pee. And 184 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.679 so we were like, let's let's pack out in the morning or you know, 185 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:41.720 whenever. We get everything packed and ready to go, and we'll go 186 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:45.799 back to the ranch. We'll get the meat hung in the coolers and all 187 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:48.080 that, and get the hides and the heads taken care of, and then 188 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:52.679 we'll go spend a couple of nights in Cripple Creek and have fun. And 189 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.960 everybody was up for that, and so that's that was the plan. So 190 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:03.559 by the time we got off our gear and everything situated and horses ready and 191 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.799 every you know, meat and heads and all that, by the time we 192 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.159 got ready to go, it was it was probably one or two o'clock in 193 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:18.200 the afternoon. And so we're coming back and we're about more than halfway back 194 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:24.159 to the trailhead where the trucks and the horse trailers were at and we're coming 195 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:31.559 along the side of this mountain and on the trail it does like almost a 196 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:37.960 ninety degree loop, if you will, like a horse shoe. And so 197 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:41.440 I'm in the lead. I've got two or three pack animals, and then 198 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:46.960 we've got the four clients just on horses, and then we've got the cook 199 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.720 and he's probably got a couple of pack animals, and then the head gud 200 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:56.360 Bob was riding drag and he's got the rest of the meals. He's got 201 00:14:56.399 --> 00:15:03.559 probably six meals with him. So we're in this horseshoe and I get through 202 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:09.720 the horseshoe and my horse just started acting crazy, like he wouldn't go anywhere. 203 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.519 He was like trotting, like just his front feet, like he was 204 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:18.360 trying to stemp out something. And so Bob's on the other side of me, 205 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.960 not fifty yards, and we're looking at each other and he's like, 206 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.279 what's going on. I said, man must be a bear or a mountain 207 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.600 lion or something. I said, he smells something, cause I mean I'd 208 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:35.679 had that horse's and parades and nothing really bothered that horse. And so Bob's 209 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:37.600 like, we'll get off and lead him on up the trail, and so 210 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:43.080 where we were at it was pretty steep grade right there, and so instead 211 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.519 of getting off on the downhill side, because I'm only five to nine so 212 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:50.720 I'm not real tall, so I got off on the right side of the 213 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:56.240 horse on the upside of the mountain. And as soon as I got off, 214 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:03.600 this thing burst between everybody down this valley. And I'll be honest with 215 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.360 you, the only thing I really saw was like a head and the shoulders, 216 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.279 and I'm I'm going, is that a bear? Like? What is 217 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:15.960 that? Is that a bear? And this thing is so fast, so 218 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:21.960 fast didn't make a noise, like like you could hear the pine vals like 219 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:26.440 you know when you're running on them, but like it wasn't any crunching or 220 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:30.639 any sticks breaking or anything like this. I mean, it was like full 221 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:37.559 speed down this mountain. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and 222 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:47.720 Bobo will be right back after these messages. And so all these guys are 223 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:52.240 freaking out, and I'm thinking bear, I'm like, is that a bear? 224 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.159 Like? You know? Because all I could I could barely see over 225 00:16:55.200 --> 00:17:00.639 the saddle where I was at. And so anyway, my horse starts acting 226 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:06.240 weird. So, you know, twenty thirty seconds, maybe a minute later, 227 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.000 everything kind of calms down. I get back on my horse and off 228 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:14.559 we go, and I'm asking Bob. I'm like, man, I've never 229 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:17.359 seen a bear do that. And Bob goes, that was no bear. 230 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:19.720 I'm like, what do you mean? That wasn't no bear. Well, 231 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:26.359 the clients right away started yelling bigfoot, and I'm like, what bigfoot? 232 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:29.880 Like, that's not a thing. Come on, that was a bear, 233 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.839 man, No, come on as a bear, and Bob goes, dude, 234 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:37.559 it was on two legs. And I'm like, are you kidding me? 235 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.759 Like, no way. So I was still doubting what I saw because 236 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:47.559 I didn't I didn't get a clear, clean look at it. So anyway, 237 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:53.640 we get back up to the horse trailers and the wrangler has the big 238 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:59.680 horse trailer and then I have a horse trailer, and then we had somebody 239 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:03.359 meet us down there to pick up the clients. Well, we got every 240 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.039 the clients got picked up, and we never really had a conversation at all 241 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:11.799 with them, you know, unloading horses and geared meat and all that kind 242 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:17.440 of stuff, and so it was just me and the wrangler and Bob there 243 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:21.599 and we're getting everything loaded up and the Wrangler's like, dude, that was 244 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:25.759 bigfoot. I'm like, man, there's I said. It's not even real. 245 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:27.880 Man, Like, come on, And so Bob gets in the truck 246 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:33.200 with me and we've got probably about an hour drive back to where we're going, 247 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:38.000 and we're going up the mountain and Bob's like, man, I've heard 248 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:41.079 people talk about that thing, but I've never, ever in my life, 249 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:45.759 ever thought i'd see one. And he'd been doing he'd been guiding. He 250 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:49.519 was probably in his sixties then, and I mean this guy had been guiding 251 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:53.240 since he was thirty, so I mean he's got thirty years out there and 252 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:59.920 had never seen this thing. And so one of Bob's big things was, 253 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.039 look, when we get back to the ranch, we don't talk about it. 254 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.079 We like this never happened. And I'm like, what are you talking 255 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:11.200 about? He goes, man, what if it gets out that we saw 256 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:15.200 a bigfoot? He's like and it gets out like big time. And this 257 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.880 was way before like social media and all that match, right, and so, 258 00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:22.440 and what was I mean back then, we were getting like all the 259 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:29.599 good write ups and like Western Horsemen and you know bow Hunting magazine, North 260 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:33.559 American Hunting Magazine, and so his big thing was don't say a word. 261 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.960 I'm like, no worries by me. You know, I'm not gonna say 262 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:45.519 anything. So I never paid any attention. And so fast forward almost a 263 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:52.519 year to the day, almost it's opening season. So I've got two brothers 264 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.759 that are coming in from Michigan that had hunted with me the year before, 265 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:00.000 and so they had booked another hunt with me. So everybody comes in on 266 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:04.359 a Saturday, and not that it matters, but when you're a new guide, 267 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.279 these people show up, you kind of mingle with them. And if 268 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:11.599 you hit it off with somebody and they like you and you like them, 269 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.759 that's who you got. Well, I was in a position where I didn't 270 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:18.960 have to do that anymore. I had to repeat customers, and I knew 271 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.960 who was coming in, and I know what they liked and what they didn't 272 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:26.400 like, that sort of thing, and so you know, I'm just kind 273 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.039 of sitting there at the lodge and I'm mingling with people and I'm waiting for 274 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.000 my guys to get there from the airport. And I get a phone call 275 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:38.200 from the two brothers saying that their dad had passed away and that they weren't 276 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:42.480 going to be able to make it. And so this was like nine o'clock 277 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:48.440 at night, and so by that time all the other clients had been taken. 278 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:52.400 So here I'm left with not having any clients for the for the week. 279 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:56.279 And so I go to the owner and the head guide and I said, 280 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:59.680 Hey, do you guys want me to stick around this week? I 281 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:02.319 said, I have an elk tag in my pocket. I'd love to go 282 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:04.440 hunt. And Bob goes, where are you going to go hunt? I 283 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:07.640 said, probably down there. We had that great hunt last year. And 284 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:10.559 Bob goes, I don't know if i'd go down there. I'm like, 285 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:15.039 come on, man, really, And so anyway, the next morning, 286 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:18.359 I get up and I go to the trail head and so I hike in. 287 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:21.519 You know, I have a backpack, got my bow, and I 288 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:23.839 even took a fishing ride because it's a couple of beaver ponds down there that 289 00:21:23.920 --> 00:21:26.599 have brook troiling in them. And you know, I was just going to 290 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:30.559 do it up for a week and have fun. And if I'd killed one, 291 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:33.759 i'd hiked out and come grab my horse and packed it out, and 292 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.279 it'd been a lot easier you know that way. So anyway, I hike 293 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.680 in there that afternoon, and I get in there, you know, fairly 294 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:45.640 late in the afternoon, probably three o'clock or so, because it takes me 295 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:49.119 about five hours to get in there, walk in five or six, and 296 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:52.319 I get in there, and I set up a tent, and I'm at 297 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:59.359 the very last beaver pond. And where this place is located, to the 298 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:04.640 south is this big, huge ridge that goes on for like two miles. 299 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:11.240 It's just solid rock and it's probably a couple thousand feet tall, like the 300 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:15.240 only way anybody's going up or down that way. You'd have to be a 301 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.960 professional rock climber to do that. But there's this valley that comes out of 302 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:26.000 it, and it's meadows with aspen and it's just like the perfect little cubby 303 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:30.240 hole for elk, and there's lots of water in there. And so I'm 304 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:36.000 at the very last beaver pond and caught a couple of brookies and cooked those 305 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:38.759 up, and the elk were bugling, and I mean, it was just 306 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:44.359 a perfect night. And so I get up the next morning and make some 307 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:49.519 coffee, and I hear the elk bugling, and so I go up and 308 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:53.359 I passed a couple of these beaver ponds. Is I'm headed kind of up 309 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:59.319 towards the cliffs, and to the right there's an outcrop in there. So 310 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:02.799 I crawled up on the outcropping and I was gonna wait for the sun to 311 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:06.799 come up. And during all this, like I said the elk word, 312 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.240 screaming and bugling and doing everything, and I was so excited, like like, 313 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:15.599 I was having so much fun. And so the sun's starting to come 314 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.279 up a little bit, and to where I can use my binoculars. Now, 315 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:26.359 when you're guiding, binoculars is your number one friend. I mean, 316 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:30.079 if you don't have binoculars, you're you're gonna miss so much out there in 317 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:37.240 that big country that's out there. And so we had become sponsored by all 318 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:42.119 these different manufacturers, like you know, we were sponsored by Rocky Boots and 319 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:48.960 you know, Real Tree camouflage, and but one of our best and biggest 320 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:55.839 sponsors was Seiss Binoculars. And it was kind of before Sarovsky had come out 321 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:59.680 and become big and all that. So Seiss was as good as it gets, 322 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:03.200 when you know, it was as good as it got during that period 323 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.480 or whatever. And so I had a pair of ten by fifty Zeiss and 324 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:14.920 when you're guiding on just a regular hunt, you were in those binoculars probably 325 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:18.960 eighty percent of the time, so you know, and then with all my 326 00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:25.640 training and stuff in the military, there's a way to glass areas and especially 327 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.200 if you're looking for you know, enemy guys and all that, and it 328 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:33.200 pertains the same way basically to Honey. So anyway, I'm up on this 329 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.839 out cropping and it's daylight, it's getting daylight, and so I hear an 330 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:42.200 elp bugle, and I would you know, I'd get my binoculars up and 331 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:47.200 oh, there he is. He's three hundred yards away. And another one 332 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:49.960 would bugle, and you know, he's five hundred yards away. And all 333 00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.599 in all, there was probably seven or eight different bulls than this herd of 334 00:24:53.640 --> 00:25:00.640 elk, and they were just scattered all along this like meadow area. So 335 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:04.240 anyway, I heard just bugled down by where my tent was, and my 336 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:08.440 tent was probably about three hundred and fifty four hundred george away, and so 337 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:12.519 I just glassed down there and it bugled again, and I realized that he 338 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:17.000 was closer to me than my tent. So I'm kind of working the glass 339 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:22.039 back up towards me, and I'm hitting these beaver ponds. You can see 340 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:26.279 these beaver ponds, and I noticed this thing in this beaver pine. Like 341 00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:30.279 I said, man, those elk are down there wallowing in those beaver ponds. 342 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:33.799 And so I'm, you know, it's right at first light, and 343 00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:37.880 so I'm, you know, I'm really focused on what's going on down there, 344 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.240 because I could get to those elk fairly quick, you know, if 345 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:47.079 I wanted to. And so I'm looking at this beaver pond and then all 346 00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:52.400 of a sudden, this thing raises up out of this pond and I'm like, 347 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.480 holy cow, like, what in the world is this? So then 348 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:02.799 it gets out of the beaver pond, and right away I'm thinking, Okay, 349 00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:07.559 that's the bigfoot that they're talking about. I'm freaked out inside a little 350 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.200 bit because, I mean, nobody, if you've never seen one, I 351 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:15.440 mean, you don't know till you know, right, I mean, I 352 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.440 don't know how else to explain that. I Mean, you know, we 353 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.640 can say there's aliens, but until you see one, you don't know how 354 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:26.759 you're going to react, especially with a big foot or a sasquatch. So 355 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:33.799 this thing gets out and he kind of shakes off a little bit, and 356 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.839 man, I am like zooming in on this thing, and he's probably about 357 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:44.680 one hundred and fifty yards out, so with ten by fifty s ice like, 358 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:49.000 I can see this thing blinking, you know. And my first thought 359 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:55.799 really wasn't you know, oh my gosh, oh my gosh or whatever. 360 00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:02.000 My first thought was, this is a monster. And if he comes at 361 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:06.160 you, and I'm hunting with a recurved bow like the Indians used to do, 362 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.720 I'm like, if this thing comes at you, you're gonna have one 363 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.279 shot. That's it. Did you have a sight on? No? I 364 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:19.960 still don't even, like, even to this day, I don't carry a 365 00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:25.400 gun in the woods. It's not an ego thing. I've seen too many 366 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:32.279 people carry firearms and shoot animals that they think they're getting attacked by that. 367 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.440 If you had just used a calm head, it wouldn't have happened, you 368 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:42.119 know kind of thing. So I'm not. I don't claim to be something 369 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.440 I'm not or anything. I just never have. I mean, I'm holding 370 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.960 a bow in my hand, so you know, if I can't get something 371 00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:55.039 to stop by me shooting it with an arrow, you know, and I've 372 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:57.119 had some close calls, you know, up in Alaska, I had a 373 00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:03.559 close call. I've had one mountain lion experience that was kind of a weird 374 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.440 thing. But you know, in all my years of doing this, I've 375 00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:12.680 been doing this for over thirty years, and you know, I'm just I've 376 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:17.960 never put myself in a position to where I felt like I needed to carry 377 00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:23.920 for arm. So but so anyway, this thing kind of he's kind of 378 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:27.599 shaking the water off of him. I guess you would say, not like 379 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.960 a dog, but you know, there's like one arm and then the other 380 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:37.519 arm. And while he's doing this, I am noticing that, like this 381 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:44.759 thing is built like anything I've never seen. Like the forearms were massive, 382 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:49.480 the hands were massive. I mean, the legs were like like, man, 383 00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:53.200 you know, looking back in a calm area, I'm like, man, 384 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:56.319 I wish I had legs like that, you know. I mean, 385 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:02.079 this thing was just for a reacher or whatever you want to call it. 386 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:07.960 I mean, this thing was in peak physical condition. And so I'm sitting 387 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:15.319 there watching it and he's kind of turned. I'm I'm sitting facing to the 388 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:21.759 to the northeast. That's kind of where he's at but he's facing more north 389 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:26.720 than east, and he hasn't I don't he hasn't seen me, at least 390 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:32.920 I don't think he had. And he turns. And when you're when you're 391 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:37.119 in a when you're in glass like that ten by fifty binoculars like that, 392 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.839 when he turns and looks up towards me, you think he's looking you through 393 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.839 your soul, you know, when in fact, he's probably looking past me, 394 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:48.839 or he could have been looking at me. I don't know, but 395 00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.480 through the binoculars, it was like he was looking through my soul. But 396 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:59.480 he didn't look he didn't look scary though, I mean, he looked to 397 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.920 me more man like. Then you know, people describe gorillas or whatever. 398 00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:08.240 And we'll get back to Keith Foster, because he did a drawing that was 399 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:14.559 just amazing. I mean it was so spot on. And so I'm sitting 400 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:18.880 here and this thing doesn't appear to be a threat to me, and so 401 00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:22.640 I kind of you know, I'm at a twelve, and so now I'm 402 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.119 at like a ten, and I'm thinking strategy more than anything else, Like 403 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.319 if he comes at me, what are you gonna do? Da da da 404 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:34.079 da that kind of thing, and but I'm getting to watch him and he's 405 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:40.440 just middling around this beaver pond, and you know, I watched him mess 406 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:44.599 with his face, like he touched his face. I'm watching his eyes blink, 407 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.680 you know. At one time he reached down to get like a clump 408 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:55.519 of mud off his leg, which was kind of different. And so then 409 00:30:55.559 --> 00:31:00.000 he turns and he walks north towards my camp, and he's having to go 410 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:06.720 up this hill, and so he gets kind of cross side heeling, if 411 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:11.680 you will, and he gets about even with my tent, and he squats 412 00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:17.359 down like he's using the bathroom, and he's looking right at my camp and 413 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:22.440 he's just sitting there and he's watching my tent. And so I've already decided 414 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:26.000 that once he crosses that hill, I'm going to give it about ten minutes. 415 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.519 If he doesn't come back, I'm going to go down there and grab 416 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.799 my gear and I'm getting out, because I mean, he was scary enough 417 00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.240 that I didn't want to be in there by myself with him. I don't 418 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:42.839 care how many Elko's in there. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with 419 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:52.480 Cliff and Bobo will be right back after these messages. So Anyway, he 420 00:31:52.559 --> 00:32:00.680 sat there probably about two or three minutes, and he gets ups and he 421 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.920 goes up and over the hill. And so, like I said, I 422 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.599 waited ten or fifteen minutes, and I crawled down off that rock that I 423 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.799 was on, and I ran down to my camp and I quickly packed it. 424 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.200 And it took me about five or six hours to get in there, 425 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:20.079 and it took me about three and a half to get out. So I 426 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.799 basically ran or jogged all the way back to the car or the truck, 427 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:32.519 and so yeah, I mean the whole episode of seeing this thing was probably 428 00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:38.759 about ten minutes long. And once I get back to the vehicle, of 429 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:43.319 course, coming out of there, I was totally paranoid, like it's this 430 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.359 thing following me, Like you know what happens he jumps out blah blah blah, 431 00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:51.440 and so you know, this total state of paranoia hiking out of there 432 00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:57.079 and running and you know, just almost killing myself to get out. And 433 00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:02.279 so I get to the truck and immediately I go to the ranch and it's 434 00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:08.599 probably gosh, I don't know, it's probably around lunchtime, maybe at one 435 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:14.200 o'clock, and so everybody's out hunting, like there's no guides there, there's 436 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:20.880 no clients there, but the owner was there, Gary Jordan, and I 437 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.119 go into Gary's office and he's like, man, did you kill one? 438 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.599 Did you come to get the horses? And I'm like no, Gary, 439 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.960 I said, you know that thing that happened to us last year with me 440 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.079 and Bob and the coat, And he goes, yeah, I said, 441 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:36.079 I saw this thing up close. And he goes, what are you talking 442 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:39.279 about. I said, I watched him for ten minutes this morning and he's 443 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:43.079 like, no, you didn't. He goes, it was a bear. 444 00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:46.039 I said, Gary, I have how many bears have I got it on? 445 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:51.759 I had up to that point, I'd killed probably me personally, had 446 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.079 probably killed like five bears, but I had got it on probably twenty five 447 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.680 or thirty by that time. So I know what a bear is, you 448 00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.279 know. And that's what I'm telling Gary. I'm like, that was no 449 00:34:02.440 --> 00:34:07.160 bear, man. I'm like that, I don't know what it is, 450 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:13.599 you know. And like I said, I'd never researched sasquatch or Bigfoot, 451 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:20.800 didn't have any knowledge of any of that, and so I didn't have anything 452 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:23.599 like nowadays you hear people go, well, it's a mix between a man 453 00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:28.360 and an ape or a monkey or something. I didn't have that. I 454 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:34.320 was like, it was one of the best built men, Harry people that 455 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:38.280 And I came up with like Neanderthal, because that's what I think of Neanderthal 456 00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.599 would look like. And that's what I told Gary, and Gary goes, 457 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:46.400 well, he goes, you're obviously shook. And I had an apartment down 458 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:51.679 in Colorado Springs at the time, and he goes, you need to go 459 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.239 home and spend a couple of days and come on back up here Friday night 460 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:58.920 and let's get back on the saddle and start guiding again. I'm like, 461 00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:04.000 okay. So I go down there, and I do have a computer at 462 00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.960 the time, and I get on there and I google Bigfoot or Sasquatch, 463 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:14.840 and I start seeing all this stuff. And it's the first time of me 464 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:19.760 seeing the Patty film. And this thing looked a lot like Patty, except 465 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:25.440 the mail version. And because it was a mail and so anyway, I 466 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:30.679 come across the BFRO website. Didn't know they even had a thing like that, 467 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.440 and it said, hey, if you've had a sighting or whatever, 468 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:40.199 please tell us. So I sat there for like two hours typing, and 469 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:44.559 I would like, you know, like I'm going, is this too much 470 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:49.440 information? Not enough information? You know, blah blah blah whatever. And 471 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.599 it's on like a Wednesday. No, it's not even that. It's on 472 00:35:52.719 --> 00:36:00.679 like a Monday or Tuesday. And so I write my story and tell what 473 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:05.079 happened, you know, both accounts, the first one and then this last 474 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:09.480 one, and I write on there you know, this happened yesterday. And 475 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:15.639 I submitted it. Well, within like less than an hour, I get 476 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:22.320 a call from Matt Moneymaker. Oh how was that? I had no clue 477 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.800 who he was. Like, he goes, hi, am Matt Moneymaker and 478 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:30.039 you know President bf R own Boom, and he goes, tell me about 479 00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:35.280 your story. And I'm like, okay, you know, and he's like, 480 00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:38.239 can we if I get a guys out there, can you know, 481 00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:42.000 can we come and look? And I'm like, I said, well, 482 00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:44.639 I'm a full time guy, and I said, if you got somebody out 483 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:46.480 here that the only way I'd do that is if they came in the next 484 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:51.679 day or two. Well, by George, that night, I get a 485 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:55.599 phone call and to my for my life, I can't think of the name 486 00:36:55.639 --> 00:37:02.000 of these two guys. One of them's name was Jim and maybe y'all can 487 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:06.360 help me with this. But he and I don't know if he was just 488 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.480 telling me a story or what, but he had said that he at one 489 00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:15.840 time he had set like the highest altitude sky diving record or something, and 490 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:22.159 his name was Jeff something. I took him in there and we looked around, 491 00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:28.159 and sure enough, we found prints around that beaver pond. And up 492 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:31.719 until a couple of years ago, I actually had a copy of that casting 493 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.800 and or had the original cast really and through a divorce and all that and 494 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:45.119 moving, I have no idea where it's at. But so anyway, so 495 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:50.920 that happened, and shortly after that, man I started getting phone calls from 496 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:55.599 all kinds of people. And what was one of the weirdest things that happened 497 00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.440 to me was I get a call from this guy like I didn't and he 498 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:04.280 goes, hey, is your address blah blah blah blah, and I'm going 499 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.000 yeah, he goes, good, at four o'clock today, you're going to 500 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.599 receive a package. He goes, I'll see you there at like five o'clock. 501 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:13.840 I'm like, who are you? He goes, I got this coming 502 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:15.159 to you. He goes, I got to know if this is what you 503 00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:21.840 saw. And it was the original copy of I want to say, Memorial 504 00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:27.079 Day footage where the people were in the boat and the and the bigfoot runs 505 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:31.199 across the side hill and then jumps that big gully. It was that footage. 506 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:35.800 And I'm going, well, who are you, like, where did 507 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.519 you like, are you CIA or FBI or something? You know, because 508 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:42.800 I've worked with those guys when I was, you know, in the military. 509 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:47.320 I'm like, this is some CIA FBI stuff going on here. And 510 00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:52.039 so he actually I told him, I said, man, I don't have 511 00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.719 a VCR. He said, he brought a VCR with him and we hooked 512 00:38:54.719 --> 00:39:00.639 it up to my TV and watched it. And I'm going, well, 513 00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.639 the one I saw wasn't quite as big as that. I mean, the 514 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.960 one I saw was probably like seven foot maybe. I mean, he wouldn't 515 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:13.360 know. It wasn't like ten twelve foot or whatever something like that. He 516 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:19.119 wasn't. I mean, seven foot's pretty big. But I mean this dude, 517 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:23.039 this thing I saw was just jacked up. I mean just every part 518 00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:29.800 of his body was just muscled up. And so when this thing jumped that 519 00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:32.159 gully, I was like, I could totally believe that, and he goes, 520 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:36.000 what do you mean, I said, the way these things are built, 521 00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:39.239 I said, I said, he could have probably jumped up on that 522 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:45.360 rock outcome cropping and ate me for you know, breakfast that morning, and 523 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:50.840 just the way he was built. And so after that, I really, 524 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:58.159 I never really had any more interaction. It didn't really change the way I 525 00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:02.400 felt in the woods. And I think the reason being is that, for 526 00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.039 lack of a better word, was a peaceful encounter. You know, I 527 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:10.239 didn't feel like this thing was going to eat me or tear me apart or 528 00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:17.519 any of that. And you know, and I was fascinated by how it 529 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.440 looked and all that. But you know, weeks and months following that, 530 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:28.760 I kept thinking that, you know, that thing probably watched me walk right 531 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:34.480 by him, because I followed that series of beaver ponds going up to that 532 00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:38.400 rock out cropping, and so that kind of set me on edge a little 533 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:45.480 bit. But you know, I never had any ill will or bad feelings 534 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:51.440 or you know, anything like that towards towards what I saw, and so 535 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.079 you know, I carried on as normal. You know, I still guided, 536 00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:59.920 I still hunted, but hoping that maybe i'd see another one something, 537 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.280 you know, because it was just cool. So now I'm not going to 538 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:07.639 tell you that coming out of a mountain, you know, and you're six 539 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:12.639 miles from your vehicle and your own foot and it's dark, you don't think 540 00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:16.559 about that because you do. But you know, as far as ever being 541 00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:23.199 scared or you know, beyond being able to do whatever, and just never 542 00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:28.440 happened for me. So well, at the end of the day, I 543 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.199 mean, if they're real, they were real before you saw them too, 544 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:35.960 So what why should anything change? Right? Could you describe how it moved 545 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.239 asarng as you said, it shook, It shook itself dry when it got 546 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.079 out of the water. Yeah, you know, so like when you get 547 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:45.519 out of the shower, you know how you might take say the right arm 548 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:49.119 and you and you kind of brush your left arm just to get the excess 549 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.639 water off. Yea, it's kind of like that. Was it just to 550 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:54.880 the arms or did it do it's all over the body too. He kind 551 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:59.920 of like from the shoulder to probably the mid forearm. He kind of did 552 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:05.840 that, and then he did it like where his belly would be like there, 553 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:10.079 and he like his thighs and then he bent down and was picking like 554 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:15.320 I assumed it was a clump of dirt or mud or something since he had 555 00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.320 been in that beaver pond, and like he was picking something off his leg, 556 00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:23.679 like mud or or something like that. And so that's that was the 557 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:29.159 when he got out of the beaver pond there. How about the eyes you 558 00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:32.760 said you saw the you saw the eyes through the did Yeah? I don't 559 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:37.960 know if you did. I did. I send you a copy or a 560 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:45.119 photograph, Matt, of the drawing that Keith did. No, I don't 561 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:46.360 have that, but I'm going to try to search for it right now while 562 00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.440 we're talking to it, and I'll send it to you. Oh that'd be 563 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:57.639 great. Yeah. So, I mean this thing, it looked ninety eight 564 00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:04.599 percent human to me, with the exception that it had a lot of hair. 565 00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:08.039 So I mean, it kind of had like a everybody says a crowned 566 00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:13.280 head like, but it was it was more like a domed kind of rounded 567 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:17.000 head. His nose was almost like that of a person, you know, 568 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:23.719 a little flatter against his against his face. But his lips were I mean, 569 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:30.119 can you use the word normal, but I mean they were normal for 570 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:35.599 what I was looking at. I guess. And the eyes just looked they 571 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:39.360 looked like our eyes, really, I mean, you know they there wasn't 572 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:44.960 anything crazy about on. Could you see the whites there? No? I 573 00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.280 couldn't. No, I didn't see it that good. But I couldn't tell 574 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:52.960 when it was blinking because the whole forehead would move when he blinked. So 575 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:57.760 did it blink like a human like I've heard they don't blink very much compared 576 00:43:57.800 --> 00:44:00.440 to humans like they they don't blink his office A lot of people have reported 577 00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:04.840 did you notice that? No? I mean as far as how many times 578 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:08.800 he blinked or whatever, not really, but I do recall that he blinked. 579 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:14.199 And the reason I do is because he had like this above his eyes 580 00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:16.599 was like a brow line kind of thing, but it wasn't like huge, 581 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:22.039 But when he did blink, that brow line would move and you can see 582 00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:27.440 that, And so that's that's how I know he was blinking like fat. 583 00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.000 There was fat up in there, not just like the bony brow. It 584 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:35.480 was like like a fat depositive or something. You think maybe, I mean, 585 00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:40.440 you ever seen those old guys that have like the unibrow kind of kind 586 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:45.239 of look like that, except it protruded a little bit, So you know, 587 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:47.400 I don't know if that was just like a unibrow kind of thing where 588 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:52.719 if that was a part of his you know, muscular makeup. I'm not 589 00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.760 sure, but I do know that when he blinked, that whole section moved, 590 00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.480 and you know, I didn't notice that he didn't have much of a 591 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.800 neck on him. How is the body proportions like limb legs and comparison, 592 00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:08.760 like a human was like longer his legs, and his arms weren't proportional to 593 00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:14.039 his body, like his arms were longer than normal. I don't know that 594 00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:19.719 they came down to his knees, but they definitely hung lower than what a 595 00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:24.199 person's would. But I could tell that like his torso was the bigger part 596 00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:31.360 because his legs were so massive, like just so massive, and so his 597 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:37.440 legs were smaller than the rest of his body. I guess is the best 598 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.559 way to say that. I don't know any way describe that, I guess. 599 00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:45.960 So I guess his torso from his waist up was bigger or taller than 600 00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:50.519 from the waist down. So I don't know if that makes the arms look 601 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:55.840 different or not. So stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with clipp and 602 00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:08.039 Bobo will be right back after these messages. The hands big hands, and 603 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:16.119 I mean full on massive, massive hands, because I noticed his hand when 604 00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:22.239 he reached down to pick whatever was on his leg. Off, I noticed 605 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.079 that his hand like was as big as his leg, if that makes sense, 606 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:29.760 Like it was huge. Did it seem proportional to the size of the 607 00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.840 body or is it a bigger in proportion or smaller in proportion? I think 608 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.320 it was proportional. I do think they were probably proportional, because I mean 609 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:45.639 this thing, I mean even making a reference to like I don't know the 610 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:51.599 body of the actor of Arnold Schwarzeninger. Yeah, thank you Arnold's I mean, 611 00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.280 as far as his physicality was, he was all that and then so 612 00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:02.280 like had you know, I couldn't actually see the six pack, you know, 613 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.639 abs, but I mean you could tell that it was just built. 614 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:13.760 I mean, this thing was just built to live there. It was it 615 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:19.599 was unreal. How about hairlict and coloration. So he was between like so 616 00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.119 when the when he when he did that side, he'll he kind of got 617 00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:28.000 up into where the sun was finally cresting over the mountain a little bit and 618 00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.519 up until that point he looked brown to me. But then when he hit 619 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:36.159 the sunshine, the sunlight a little bit, it kind of almost had like 620 00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:38.480 a reddish tint to it. So I don't know if that was just the 621 00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:45.800 sun reflecting off his brown hair. But the hair was pretty proportional. I 622 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:52.639 mean, you know, it wasn't like long, stragglely something crazy like you 623 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:58.920 see in some of these movies. I mean, it was pretty I don't 624 00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:04.239 want to use the word man or groomed, but I mean, you know, 625 00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:09.519 his face probably had maybe an inch or half inch hair, and his 626 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:15.679 head probably the same, and then around his neck was had like a almost 627 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:20.719 like a maine kind of like you could his hair started getting longer at his 628 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:27.320 in his chest, in his arms, and so his hands were didn't have 629 00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.559 any hair on at all, like you know, especially the palm of his 630 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:36.559 hand had no hair at all. So and it was it was like a 631 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:40.360 and I haven't thought about this in forever, but I remember it was like 632 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:45.239 a baseball, mit is what it looked like to me. What color was 633 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:52.400 the skin almost like a almost like a grayish black color, more gray, 634 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.719 I think, so it was like a weathered I remember it being like this 635 00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.519 weathered look. I've heard reports of people who have said, I've spoken to 636 00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:04.320 people actually who like yourself, who had seen them very close or through binoculars 637 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.119 or something like that, and they commented about how the face look weathered. 638 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:12.559 They did use the weather just like you did, but they also use things 639 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.039 like wrinkled and old, leathery, and like, did they have any of 640 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:22.519 that kind of characteristic to it, like in desperate need of moisturizer? Yeah, 641 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.639 no, because he, the one I saw, had like quite a 642 00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:30.760 bit of hair on his face. The only place void of hair was kind 643 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.719 of around his lips, in his nose, and then the rest of it, 644 00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:37.519 you know, was pretty hairy. But it was weird because it looked 645 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:43.480 almost groomed, like if he'd gone if you'd gone to a barber and had 646 00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:50.079 it shaved to a certain length or something. But what what I looked at 647 00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:53.480 didn't appear to be old at all. No, I sent Matt the picture. 648 00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:59.079 I mean, that's exactly what what you're looking at is exactly what I 649 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:04.039 saw exactly. I mean, so if you look at that picture, I 650 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.119 mean, I don't know if you could age that or not. I mean, 651 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.960 thirties forties I mean not old enough to be like an old withered man 652 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.000 kind of thing, you know. And for the people listening who are members, 653 00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:17.480 I guess we'll go ahead and put that on the on the Patreon. 654 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:22.440 Is that right foru? It? Yeah, I'll post that there and yeah, 655 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.400 Bobo, I sent it to the group. Text oh, text email, 656 00:50:27.559 --> 00:50:30.599 Jeff, you mentioned earlier when you first put your eyes on this thing, 657 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:36.679 you were actually looking for an elk bugling? Was there was there an 658 00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.519 elk in the area or was the thing making that noise? No, there 659 00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:44.199 was elk, because there was elk everywhere. There must have been. Yeah, 660 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.840 there must have been probably, and I don't want to exaggerate, but 661 00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:52.920 at least seventy five to one hundred elk in that little valley. Wow. 662 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:59.239 Yeah. So I can't say that he was making that noise because i'd heard 663 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:04.320 all kinds elk that morning and actually had glassed up two or three that were 664 00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:08.119 bugling. So I was just up there trying to figure out which one I 665 00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:14.079 was about to go after. So do you have photographs of the original cast 666 00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:20.079 that you mentioned? I don't. I don't have any, but you know, 667 00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:27.079 I think I think my sister might have one, because I moved back 668 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:31.320 to Nashville for a short stint, and I had it sitting on a coffee 669 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:36.360 table, and she took a picture with it. So I'll get with her 670 00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:38.800 and see if she has it, and if it does, I'll certainly afford 671 00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:45.599 it to you guys. But I remember the dimensions of it, so it 672 00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:52.079 was it was probably somewhere between sixteen and eighteen inches long, and it was 673 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:59.000 the width of my hand and then some so probably I'm guessing four or five 674 00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.159 inches wide. Made me. You're the perfect guy to ask. I mean, 675 00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:07.000 boat hunters, and you're a guy, so you've chopped up tons of 676 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.639 animals. If you think it's seven foot tall, how much you think it 677 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:17.599 weighed? That's a great question. So the way the way I would probably 678 00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:23.639 approach that is, we know Shaquille O'Neill is seven to right, and Shaquille 679 00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:31.519 probably weighs three hundred three h five something like that. Maybe I'm guessing this 680 00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:39.719 thing was probably because of how muscular it was, because you know, muscle 681 00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:45.440 weighs more than fat. Anyway, I'm guessing, if I had to be 682 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:51.159 accurate, probably somewhere between three fifty and five hundred, because Shack's about three 683 00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:55.119 fifty. Yeah, so then this thing probably had to be at least you 684 00:52:55.159 --> 00:53:00.079 know, four to five hundred. Then there's no way at weighed eight one 685 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:05.000 hundred or one thousand pounds. I just that'd be hard to say for me, 686 00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:12.039 but I'm guessing probably on the high end, probably five hundreds after the 687 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.960 sighting and and the realization, after your two sightings, and your realization that 688 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.280 like, oh they smoked, these things are actually out there, These things 689 00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:22.599 are real. I have looking back at your previous guide experience and all the 690 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.559 time you spent in the mountains, do you think you might have ever been 691 00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:30.159 close to one before that and you just didn't know because they weren't on the 692 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:35.519 radar? You know what? I do think I have and it's only one 693 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:42.320 one or two occasions because somebody else had asked me that. So when you're 694 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:46.480 when you're hunting elk, elk put out a smell that you can if there's 695 00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:52.400 especially if there's a bunch of them during the mating season, a bull elk 696 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:58.039 will will urinate on himself and and he'll get in what we call walls, 697 00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:02.119 which is they dig out of and it'll kind of that has water, and 698 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:07.119 they'll make mud out of it, and they'll get in there and they'll coat 699 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:12.079 themselves in this mud because an elk will spend more time. A lot of 700 00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.079 people don't know this, but elka spend more time trying to stay cool than 701 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:21.079 he will anything else. And so by kicking himself with his mud and all 702 00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.599 that, it helps him stay cool. And so during the mating season, 703 00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:28.280 what an elk do. He'll get in there and he'll start wallowing and doing 704 00:54:28.280 --> 00:54:31.199 all that. And while he's doing that, he'll urinate in the mud on 705 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:38.039 himself. And so when the rut occurs, it usually goes on somewhere between 706 00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:45.000 anywhere from twenty five to forty days long. So you're thinking that this thing 707 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:47.519 is doing this, you know, at two or three four times a day, 708 00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:53.880 and so that creates a smell. So it gives you that musky smell. 709 00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:58.480 And so a lot of times when you're hunting and you're down when of 710 00:54:58.519 --> 00:55:04.199 an elk, you can smell long before you ever seen them. And there 711 00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:10.639 had been a couple times that the stitch has come over us and you're going, 712 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:15.400 that's not like, man, that is the grossest smelling elk I've ever 713 00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:19.480 smelled, you know, And in the back of your mind going, you 714 00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:23.719 know that don't even smell like an elk, and so so not knowing one 715 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:28.760 hundred percent, you know, if I had, I would say probably, 716 00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:34.920 just because I think I've smelled them before. So yeah, probably. Did 717 00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:39.719 you talk about finding that gutted or female elk the cowk that was gutted that 718 00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:44.119 you didn't see the actual antle that you heard it? Yeah, I was 719 00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:45.920 gonna say, like, there's there's some really cool stuff that happened in the 720 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.000 aftermath of all that that I think would be great for the member section that 721 00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:53.280 involved some of those things and some tracks and some sounds that I think you 722 00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:57.119 guys would love to hear, and I know our members would too. All 723 00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:59.119 right, well why do we do that? Then? Why don't we skid 724 00:55:59.159 --> 00:56:02.639 out all over to the member Because if there's follow up things and other unusual 725 00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.400 finds and observations in the area, I'd like to hear about those, and 726 00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:08.920 I'm sure our members would as well, And of course are any of our 727 00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:12.559 regular listeners. If you want to be a member, it's just five bucks 728 00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:16.039 a month and you get an extra hour of content every single week as well 729 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:22.039 as the regular episode with zero commercials at all, No commercials, no advertisements, 730 00:56:22.159 --> 00:56:25.960 just our beautiful voices in your earballs there. So if you want to 731 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.800 do that, be a member. Go to the Bigfoot and Beyond podcast dot 732 00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.880 com website, hit the membership link, and then I'll tell you everything you 733 00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.679 need to know. All right, folks, Well, thanks a lot of 734 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:38.920 Jeff Desich for joining us. It's really important you know that we have, 735 00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:45.039 you know, qualified eyewitnesses. I mean disguis. I mean we're talking about 736 00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.480 a guy that's one outfit of the Year for Colorado. I mean, so 737 00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:53.199 this guy's an expert. So I appreciate his uh an applaud his candor and 738 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:58.119 honesty and bravery to come forward. So thank you, Jeff, and until 739 00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:07.239 next week, y'all keep it squatching. Thanks for listening to this week's episode 740 00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.760 of Bigfoot and Beyond. If you liked what you heard, please rate and 741 00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:15.599 review us on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you get your podcasts, 742 00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:20.719 and follow us on Facebook and Instagram at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. You 743 00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:24.159 can find us on Twitter at Bigfoot and Beyond that's an N in the middle, 744 00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:30.559 and tweet us your thoughts and questions with the hashtag Bigfoot and beyond,