WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.240 Hello, my friends across the fruited and rooted plain. It's time for the 2 00:00:05.280 --> 00:00:10.800 Gardening Simplified Show with Stacey Hervella, me Rick Weist, and our engineer and 3 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:17.160 producer Adrianna Robinson coming to you from the beautiful studio A here at proven Winter's 4 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:21.079 color Choice shrubs. Okay, Stacey, it's Thanksgiving time. Time to eat? 5 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:26.640 Yay. You know. I was reflecting on the writing of Michael Poland 6 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:32.679 and his famous quote eat food, not too much, mostly plants, and 7 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:36.679 I say, grow more plants to eat, especially if kids are around. 8 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:40.159 Grow them in containers. If you have to grow them in containers. I 9 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:45.280 like vegetables. Maybe it's because I worked on a muck farm as a kid. 10 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:49.240 A muckfarm. A muck farm, what's muckfarm? A muckfarm is black 11 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:54.759 pad type dirt where we planted and pulled onions, dill radishes. To this 12 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:59.039 day, I love rutt and celery and celery, that big sealery growing area. 13 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:02.759 Any time you got the muck, Yeah, exactly. So it's the 14 00:01:03.039 --> 00:01:07.760 essential aromatic oils that accumulate and plant leaves, and it produces the flavors of 15 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:17.000 vegetables. Think of basil or a reagano also as herbs. Of course, 16 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:22.560 radishes, carrots, bell peppers, cucumbers, snappeas, celery. They're more 17 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:27.400 delicious to eat raw. I do not like cooked culiflower, by the way, 18 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:30.359 I don't really like it rare, but you know what, I can 19 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:34.560 always eat it roasted. Oh, roasty cauliflower is pretty great. And then, 20 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:40.280 of course potatoes are beets. They're better cooked than eating them raw. 21 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:42.280 I make a raw beet salad, but it's shredded. You know, no 22 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:47.400 one's like biting into a beat like an apple or anything. My favorites, 23 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:52.560 oddly enough, are green peppers and celery. And I'll share with you the 24 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:57.480 story the battle of Boor and Cool. The Battle of boorn Cool was between 25 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.239 me and my parents. My parents were in Decale before it was cool to 26 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:08.879 be in Decale, and the Dutch have this very peculiar way of making food 27 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:15.800 at night. We would have born coal or now they call it stump pot, 28 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:21.680 and essentially what they do is they cook kale and mix it with potatoes. 29 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:28.439 As a kid, I revolted. There was no way that there was 30 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:30.919 no way that I was going to eat that. And like I said that, 31 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:36.479 you know, my parents were Dutch and the Dutch have this peculiar thing 32 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:40.360 where you eat born coal or stump pot for dinner and then you eat chocolate 33 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:45.960 for breakfast. We would get something called hoggle slog, which is just like 34 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:49.960 sprinkles all over toasts. So you know, it was strange. But the 35 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.520 point here is that it's biologically proven that as we get older, our taste 36 00:02:53.560 --> 00:03:00.280 buds evolve and decrease in number. I guess what I'm saying is, I'm 37 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:08.000 papa to a grandson, Max, who just voraciously eats vegetables. Peppers, 38 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:15.120 you know, you name it, kiwed beans, green zebra, tomatoes, 39 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.560 just non a cucumber. It's amazing to watch. But for most kids, 40 00:03:19.599 --> 00:03:23.280 the bitter taste of vegetables, they kind of revolt against them until you become 41 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:27.919 an adult. It's true, kids can be very polarized on vegetables. But 42 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:31.719 you know, I do think that things are improving since the time that you 43 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:36.319 or I were kids. You know, back then, everybody cooked vegetables to 44 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:39.759 within an inch of their life, right. Everything was just boiled and you 45 00:03:39.759 --> 00:03:45.039 know, terrible or just canned. And nowadays, I think, you know, 46 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:47.360 people are so much more educated about cooking vegetables in a way that makes 47 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:52.599 them taste good, makes them nutritious. You can get pretty much any vegetable 48 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:57.080 any day of the year fresh and so well. Yes, kids are always 49 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.719 going to be more sensitive to bitter flavors and that kind of thing. I 50 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.800 think that the future is brighter for kids and vegetables than it ever was in 51 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:05.759 the past. I think so too, And I think we have to remember 52 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:12.159 that kids operate based on instinct. It's just like the deer browsing through your 53 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:16.839 landscape, Okay, and if it's bitter, it almost tastes as though it's 54 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:21.279 kind of toxic, and so they have to build up this. They have 55 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:27.480 to build up this taste through repeated exposure. But getting there, I guess, 56 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:31.759 is a little bit tough. And then in addition to that, I 57 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:40.480 have found that kids associate sweets, cake, ice cream, et cetera with 58 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:44.199 good times. Yeah that's true. Yeah, and so you've got all that 59 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:50.600 battling against you. But you can make vegetables taste, make vegetables more tasty 60 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:57.040 for kids to get them to eat it. I think kids sometimes view junk 61 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:02.319 food as a reward and vegetables as a chore. Trying to break that cycle 62 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:08.639 is it can be difficult. Let me give you a limerick that I wrote 63 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:12.879 on this subject. There was a young man straightened out when told to eat 64 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.000 veggies, would pout. With many appeals, he would force down his meals, 65 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:19.920 and soon he began to sprout. Now old, he still likes his 66 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:26.360 sweets. Yeah, I'm talking about myself. Succumbs to temptations with treats. 67 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:30.480 Sugar plums dance in his head. He now eats vegetables instead, resigned a 68 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:35.519 chewing on raw beats. Time and life changed his station. Veggies no longer 69 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:41.480 cause agitation. I thought there was a place called Cole Robbie. Now I 70 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:46.040 slice it and dip it in was sabi. I just need a vegucation. 71 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:51.360 Ah, well, you know, it's just important. And the other thing 72 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:56.480 that I wanted to point out, and that I have found with kids is 73 00:05:56.519 --> 00:06:02.240 that if they're surrounded by gardeners or surround buy a vegetable garden from a young 74 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:09.279 age, they tend to they tend to appreciate vegetables. Yeah. I think 75 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:15.040 it makes a huge difference to actually see the vegetables growing and to think of 76 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.600 them less is something off a shelf and something that is actually growing. And 77 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:23.759 you know, a red tomato and a plastic container is one thing, but 78 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:28.920 a beautiful ripe tomato on a vine on a beautiful summer day is quite another. 79 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:31.560 And as kids get more curious about that kind of thing, then you 80 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:34.800 know, it kind of opens up their world. And that's what I found. 81 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:39.560 If Max can go into the garden and pick a pepper or a cucumber, 82 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:44.959 bring it inside and wash it, he enjoys getting it. It's a 83 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:47.800 great feeling. It's a feeling you never outgrow, whether you're four years old 84 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:55.560 or much older. So cook to try to reduce bitterness. I know when 85 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.399 I discovered maple syrup on Brussels sprouts, it changed my life. I did 86 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:04.560 put veggies on pizza, for example, dips, and then repetition. I 87 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:10.839 mean, think of us as adults coffee or beer or dark chocolate. There 88 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:15.800 was repetition involved to acquire a taste, and I think the same applies two 89 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:20.560 kids. Yeah, do you have a favorite vegetable to eat? I could 90 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:25.560 probably be better off telling you the vegetables I don't like to eat. The 91 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:28.720 vegetables I do like to eat because I do well. You know, I 92 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:32.519 grew up my dad owned a produce store and was very passionate about fresh produce. 93 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:35.959 So even though I grew up in the seventies and eighties, yeah, 94 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:40.959 we had fresh vegetables. We never had canned or frozen vegetables in the house. 95 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.639 Ever. We always had fresh vegetables and he was a fan of cooking 96 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:48.319 them minimally. So we always had like, really good, high quality vegetables 97 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:53.319 ever since I was a kid, and so I've actually always really liked vegetables. 98 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:56.639 Cauliflower, I've been a little on the fence on that's probably one that's 99 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:00.319 not my absolute favorite, although I do like it. You know, good 100 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:03.639 Indian potato and couliflower dish. It's hard to beat. And like I said, 101 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:09.040 I do like to roast it. But I don't really love cooked green 102 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:13.319 peppers really, I love them raw. I like green peppers anyway. I 103 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:15.959 can get when you said you like green peppers and celery. Those are two 104 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.879 of the most polarizing vegetables and they're like your two favorites. Well, actually, 105 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:24.680 my favorite, if push came to shovel and I had to tell you 106 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:30.360 what my favorite is, especially during the holidays and Thanksgiving, it would be 107 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.039 green bean casserole. Oh well, that's a fair bit more than a vegetable. 108 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:37.120 But you got mushrooms in there, some onions, vegetables in there, 109 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:39.799 it counts. Yeah, yeah, green bean casserole. I mean, talk 110 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:45.879 about taste buds. By the way, another thing for people who have me 111 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:52.399 on their Christmas list for me, the wasabi and soy sauce almonds. Oh 112 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:56.440 as a snack. Have you had those? I have not had those, 113 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:01.480 but I am a big fan of the wassabi peas. Oh oh yeah, 114 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:03.960 those are delicious. Yeah, that's great stuff, great stuff. And I 115 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:09.200 was thinking also about deep fried maple leaves. So in Minot City, Japan, 116 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:16.000 they use a tempura butter coating on these on these maple leaves, so 117 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:22.360 it's flour, egg, yolks, and cold water and they deep fry them, 118 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:26.159 and wow, I guess it's supposed to be absolutely delicious. So I 119 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.519 would love to add that to the menu for Thanksgiving. Oh are you going 120 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.080 to try it? I might? Okay, really freak out your guests this 121 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:39.399 year. Well, I'm hungry, so let's take a break. And then 122 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.200 after the break we are going to move to plants on Trial and see what 123 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:48.759 Stacey has on her mind today. Here on the Gardening Simplified show, stay 124 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:56.960 tuned, proven winners. Colored Choice Shrubs cares about your success in the garden. 125 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.639 That's why we trial and test all of shrubs for eight to ten years, 126 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:05.320 making sure they outperform everything else on the market. Look for them and 127 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:11.440 the distinctive white container at your local garden center. Greeting's Gardening friends, and 128 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:15.679 welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. You know we ended the last segment. 129 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.519 You were talking Rick about deep fried maple leaves, which is something that 130 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:26.159 they make in Japan, and the Japanese word for maple is momiji. And 131 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:31.200 I happen to have a friend who is Japanese and I was visiting Japan with 132 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:33.840 her in fall, and so we're talking about maple leaves, and of course 133 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:41.279 Japanese maples are understandably everywhere in Japan, and they have that very distinctive five 134 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:45.960 lobed leaf. And so as a kid in Japan, you give your friend 135 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.960 a momiji, like you smack him on the back and if it leaves a 136 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:54.759 handprint, you gave him a momiji a maple leaf. Excellent. So I'm 137 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:58.799 going to make sure to explain that first before I do it to something you 138 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:01.919 might want to do that while you serve them your deep fried maple leaves to 139 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:07.320 make up for it. So there's a little fun fact to get us started. 140 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.840 And so today it's time for Plants on Trial. We're going to talk 141 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:15.399 about one of the three hundred and twenty five plus Proven Winter's Color Choice shrubs. 142 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.960 You know, I always have fun trying to relate it to the topic, 143 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:22.320 And of course today's topic, being just before Thanksgiving, is vegetables, 144 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.240 and it is not vegetables, so I'll say that right off the bat, 145 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:30.200 this is not a plant that you're going to eat. We do have some 146 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.440 edible plants in the Proven Winter's Color Choice line, most of these are not 147 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:37.480 really going to be on the market abundantly until next year at the earliest. 148 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:43.559 For example, we have a beautiful, fabulous, amazing new BlackBerry which would 149 00:11:43.600 --> 00:11:46.320 not be ready now to summer fruit, but called Taste of Heaven. It's 150 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:50.320 really interesting and we'll certainly be talking about that in the future on the show. 151 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:54.879 But I couldn't tie it into the edibles. But I did tie it 152 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.399 in to today's show in two ways. The plant on trial is Arctic Fire 153 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:03.759 yellow Dot, and the two reasons we're covering it today Number one is because 154 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.879 it's a plant that I am extremely grateful for and in the spirit of Thanksgiving. 155 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:11.360 And two, it's going to look amazing on your holiday table as a 156 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:13.799 decoration. You won't be eating it, no one will be. No on 157 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:18.279 the twigs not toxic if they do. But we don't recommend it, but 158 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:26.440 it's a great plant for holiday decor now. It is a selection of our 159 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:30.759 native red twig dogwood. So the red twig dogwood is you know, if 160 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:35.399 you live anywhere pretty much in most of the eastern US, say north of 161 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:41.440 about North Carolina, red twig dogwood is one of the most ubiquitous roadside plants 162 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:46.399 that I can think of. I mean clipped some yesterday. It grows everywhere, 163 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.840 and I was looking at a grove of them outside my mom's window, 164 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.759 thinking I need to prune those. I'd like those for gres. Well, 165 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:54.759 we're going to get into some fruiting, some pruning tips. So yes, 166 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.840 they are a plant that does benefit from pruning, for sure. But they're 167 00:13:00.240 --> 00:13:03.639 ubiquitous. And even though you might not notice them for the most part of 168 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:07.799 the year, by the time the foliage starts dropping in autumn, they are 169 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:11.559 very noticeable. And that's because the red color. It's called red twig dogwood. 170 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:16.919 The red color on their stems doesn't really develop until it gets cold out 171 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:22.120 and you really see it now. It's very similar with Arctic fire yellow, 172 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.080 which sounds funny because it is a red twig dogwood, but it's a yellow 173 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.320 red twig dogwood, so it's a yellow twig dogwood. But then people might 174 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:31.799 not know what you're talking about it. But it is a corn of cericia, 175 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:37.039 and this is very confusing. Cornis cericia are native beautiful red osure dogwoods, 176 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:41.200 and people also call it and similarly, you know, it doesn't really 177 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:46.919 look like much until about October the foliage starts to drop, it gets colder, 178 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:52.320 and then the stems just turn this amazing bright yellow color. I noticed 179 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:56.320 that in the garden center in pots. Those stems bring sunshine to your life. 180 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:01.519 I mean they have got so bright, are really really bright, and 181 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.759 I think, you know, as ubiquitous and wonderful and reliable as red twig 182 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:09.000 dogwood is, it's really nice to have something that's a little bit different than 183 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:11.559 red twig. You know, the red is great, but one of the 184 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:13.960 things about the red, you know, it can look a little bit dark 185 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:18.480 in the landscape depending on where you have it planted, whereas the yellow, 186 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:20.399 whether you have it free standing with nothing behind it, or you've got it 187 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:26.279 up against something to you know, get that contrast. It is definitely the 188 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:33.759 thing to brighten up your landscape fall winter and into early spring. So it 189 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:37.120 is otherwise, you know, Besides, the color of the stems grows pretty 190 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:41.000 much just like the other ones. It's going to do well in sort of 191 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:45.639 more wet soils, which is how they grow naturally. Now I have had 192 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:48.279 good success growing them in my very sandy soil. They're not going to grow 193 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:52.360 as fast, which can be a good thing because some of these plants are 194 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.919 quite vigorous. Now, Arctic Fire Yellow only going to reach about four to 195 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:58.279 five feet tall and about six feet wide, which is, you know, 196 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:03.720 probably about two thirds the size of your you know, average one. That 197 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.279 before we introduce the Arctic Fire series, which of course is more dwarf. 198 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:11.879 And of course I'm glad because it is a native plant. You know, 199 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:16.240 I love my native plants. The foliage supports all sorts of different larva of 200 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:20.279 caterpillars, all sorts of caterpillars, larva of butterflies and moths, and just 201 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:24.840 generally looks great if you let it flower, attracts a ton of pollinators. 202 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:28.840 Now, a lot of people don't actually see their red twig dogwood's flower because 203 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:33.919 they've pruned them, So most people don't even think about them as a flowering 204 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:39.639 plant. But you can prune them in such a way that they will actually 205 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:41.480 still flower. Now you're talking about the ones that you saw outside your mom's 206 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.679 room. Now. The thing about red twig dogwood that a lot of people 207 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:48.679 and this is true of yellow twig dogwood so Arctic fire yellow as well, 208 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:56.799 is that if you do not prune it, you will lose the color because 209 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:02.679 as those stems get more mature, they take on quirky, more bark like 210 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:07.480 cells, and that completely obscures the color. So basically, you really don't 211 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.120 want stems if you're growing it for color. Now, if you don't care 212 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.759 about the color, let it do its thing. It'll be fine, The 213 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:18.200 plant will be fine. We're again we're talking about human desires here. You 214 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.840 don't want any stems on it that are much more than three years old. 215 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:26.000 Yeah, I agree. Yeah, the plant responds incredibly to pruning. I 216 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.159 think it's easy to grow, and you want to be pruning it because it 217 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.320 just responds really well with beautiful, colorful branch. And you know, the 218 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:38.399 nice thing about pruning it is that the prunings are actually useful because you can 219 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:42.120 bring them inside and use them in holiday tocrror or use them outside. And 220 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.480 that was something you know, when I was a rooftop gardener that we did 221 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:48.720 on all of the properties that we took care of, is make arrangements of 222 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.240 red and yellow twigged dogwood, painted stems, birch stems, stuff like that 223 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:57.519 to just bring some interest to the landscape in the off season. So the 224 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:02.559 nice thing is that, yes, you should keep your red twig or yellow 225 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:07.160 twig dog with two three year old and younger stems, but you can do 226 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.920 that pruning now without harming the plant at all, and then take the stems 227 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:15.640 that you're pruning out use them, and then the plant is all the better 228 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.480 for it. So it's kind of like a real win win situation. It's 229 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:22.880 ideal for it and ideal in Christmas containers. The plant itself is a very 230 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:29.039 very hardy plant. Oh yeah, hardy from USDA Zone two, Zone two 231 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:33.079 that is very cold, that's much colder than we need anywhere in the continental 232 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:36.119 US. I'm glad I brought that up. Do I get a Mini Moto 233 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:38.200 on the back? What was that? A momiji? A momiji on the 234 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.519 back for that one. No, I won't give you a momiji. But 235 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.200 yeah, hardy to USDA Zone two. So that's very very cold tolerant. 236 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:49.640 Now, as is often the case with very very hardy plants, there is 237 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:55.039 a trade off on heat tolerance, and it's only heat tolerant through about usdasone 238 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:59.880 seven, So anywhere much warmer than that it's really going to struggle for. 239 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.160 Fortunately, but that still covers a really wide, you know, portion of 240 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:07.640 the country. And you know you mentioned the hardiness and winter containers. That 241 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:10.240 means this is one of those plants that if you were to go to your 242 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:14.720 garden center and find some and you just want to put the plant in your 243 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:18.480 containers, it's going to survive just fine all through winter and then come spring 244 00:18:18.519 --> 00:18:21.839 you'll be able to take it out of that container, replace it with some 245 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:25.960 daffodils, some fun spring stuff, and then go ahead and plant that in 246 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.079 your garden. So it's a really versatile plant, and you know you can 247 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:34.720 you can cut so much off it. Yeah, Stacy's talking about Arctic fire 248 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:41.960 yellow dog wood, and you can get the details at Gardening Simplified on air 249 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:45.559 dot com. I think the perfect plant in the landscape. And by the 250 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:48.839 way, Stacy with this plant love planting blue flowers in front of it, 251 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:52.720 maybe in peta or something like that. That's a nice idea because yeah, 252 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:53.799 nep er, you know, woul also be nice carry out to us. 253 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:56.240 Yeah, because that's going to be blooming and fall when they're going to start 254 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.640 taking on their color. It is dear resistant, always good news for you 255 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.119 and me, and I know a lot of our listeners as well, so 256 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:07.119 good dear resistance on this plant. Like I said, it does prefer wetter 257 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:10.799 soil, but you might find if you grow it in drier conditions like I 258 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:15.319 do, it just stays more contained. Lives just fine. But it's not 259 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.119 going to get as big and vigorous, and it's not really going to sucker, 260 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:19.279 because this is a plant that does sucker a bit. Now I have 261 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:23.200 found that mostly stays within sort of the plant body. It's not suckering you're 262 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:27.119 six feet away from the main parent. But all the better because if it 263 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:30.400 does grow where you don't want it to grow, you just take out those 264 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.480 stems and use them in your holiday to core and I don't consider it invasive 265 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:37.640 that way. It's not invasive. As a matter of fact. What you 266 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:44.880 can do is just accept compliments on its robust growth. Yes, and its 267 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:48.640 ability to withstand all these different conditions is why it is so ubiquitous in commercial 268 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:55.400 landscapes in residential landscapes. But it's really nice that it offers us this other 269 00:19:55.519 --> 00:20:00.240 thing, this hand or homegrown backyard decoration. If you're not a vegetable gardener, 270 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.119 you can still put something homegrown on your holiday table. And I will 271 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:07.079 give you four seasons of interest that much hard to beat, that can't beat. 272 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:11.240 So that's arctic fire, yellow, red twig dogwood. I know that 273 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:14.440 sounds like a little bit of a contradiction of terms, but trust us, 274 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:15.960 it's amazing. It's a beautiful plant and you can find out more about it 275 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:19.480 at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com. We're going to take a little break. 276 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:22.920 When we come back, we're opening up that garden mail bag, so please 277 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:32.720 stay tuned. At proven Winner's color Choice, we've got a shrub for every 278 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:37.200 taste and every space. Whether you're looking for an easycare rose and unforgettable hydrangea 279 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.440 or something new and unique. You can be confident that the shrubs and the 280 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.480 white containers have been trialed and tested for your success. Look for them at 281 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:51.799 your local garden center. Greetening's Gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening 282 00:20:51.880 --> 00:20:55.519 Simplified Show. Ricky pulled something out on the break here. Yeah, and 283 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:59.880 now we've got a rhody dundron branch and a tulip bulb accompanying us in the 284 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:06.319 studio. Here. I cut this rhododendron branch from my neighbor's rhododendron before coming 285 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:10.720 here, just joking off the back of mine. If you have rhododendrons, 286 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:15.240 just a public service note, and that is they should have big fat bugs 287 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.839 on them this time of the year. If they don't, you're doing something 288 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.799 wrong in my opinion, or the rhododendron is very unhappy and you're going to 289 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.880 need to take some steps to change up exactly. And then tulip bulbs. 290 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:32.119 This is what tulip bulbs should look like this time of the year. You 291 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:37.640 should have roots begin growing out of the basil plate at the base. So 292 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:41.640 you want roots starting to grow out of this tulip bulb and that's the point. 293 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:45.279 Plant them deep enough. You want to plant them deep enough in a 294 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:51.160 well drained soil so that prior to the ground freezing hard, they can develop 295 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:53.160 these roots. Then in spring when they start to grow, they're good to 296 00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:56.160 go. Your tulips will be good. They got a little head start. 297 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:00.680 And just a reminder here we are it is Thanksgiving week. It is not 298 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:04.079 too late to plant bulbs. So I find that Thanksgiving weekend is always the 299 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:08.640 perfect time to plant any bulbs I have managed to accumulate over the previous weeks, 300 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:11.799 whether I've picked them up on sale, still plenty of times. So 301 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:17.960 definitely if you get the opportunity you're out there putting up Christmas lights or whatever, 302 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:21.640 don't forget you can still plant those bulbs well, as you know. 303 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:25.079 One of the ways we try to simplify gardening for you here on the Gardening 304 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:30.400 Simplified Show is by answering your garden questions. And you can reach us if 305 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.519 you have a garden question at help HLP at Gardeningsimplified on Air dot com, 306 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.839 or just visit Gardening Simplified on Air dot com. There's a contact form there 307 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:42.079 and we have some interesting questions today. Yeah, it's really good. Victoria 308 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:45.440 writes to us. I recently discovered your show on YouTube and I love it. 309 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:51.000 Thank you very much, Victoria. I've been reading about jumping worms and 310 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:55.680 I'm really concerned which you talk about invasive species and how to deal with them. 311 00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:59.559 I'm new to gardening and I really want to create a welcoming environment for 312 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:03.599 a while life. But it seems like an uphill battle. Jumping worms. 313 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.759 Yeah, jumping worms. So thank you so much for your question, Victoria. 314 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:08.920 I want to say I can't talk about all invasive species in general, 315 00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:14.039 that's a lot, but I can speak to, of course, jumping worms, 316 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:15.799 and I'll get to that. But I do want to talk about what 317 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:19.559 you said about it seems like an uphill battle, and I get that, 318 00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.920 And you know, I think that gardening can sometimes start to feel like, 319 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:26.599 what's the point, What's the purpose? Why am I doing all of this? 320 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:30.119 You know, everything feels very discouraging. But you know, I think 321 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:36.160 that for myself, one thing that has really helped to change that from it 322 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:40.119 feeling like an uphill battle to feeling like an opportunity is to do a ton 323 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:44.519 of research. And the more that I learn about where I garden, the 324 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:47.200 plants that I garden with the challenges that I face. It. It's like 325 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:52.440 we talk about IPM Integrated Pest management a lot. By diving in and learning 326 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:56.799 more about the problems, you are arming yourself for that battle, that uphill 327 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:03.000 battle. I agree, research, but also make some mistakes. Yeah, 328 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:07.079 that's how you learn. I've learned by making mistakes. And in this case 329 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:11.359 with Victoria and these jumping worms which we have heard about, Yeah, I 330 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:15.200 mean it's like ominous. I don't blame her for being worried or concerned. 331 00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:21.799 It's it's like, this is your final worming. Yeah, you're jumping worms. 332 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:23.920 And they sound really scary jumping worms, but they don't jump out of 333 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:26.799 the soil. They're not going to like, you know, freak out while 334 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.240 you're out there having your morning coffee. Now they inch their way in. 335 00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:38.440 But I am I'm going to drop a little bomb on the audience here because 336 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:45.680 most people don't realize this, but in the northern part basically north of Pennsylvania 337 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:49.599 of North America, we do not have any native earthworms. They were all 338 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:56.039 destroyed by the last glacier about ten thousand years ago. They so we don't 339 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:03.279 see what you call global warming worming global. Yes, so, so ten 340 00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:07.440 thousand years ago, all of our native earthworms went extinct, and all of 341 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:12.599 the earthworms that you know, we've grown up seeing and learning about in our 342 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:18.799 backyards if you live basically again north of Pennsylvania, are invasive species that came 343 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:23.160 in with you know, early settlers, colonists bringing in food. They came 344 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:29.000 in on the ships. And it kind of turns this whole notion that you 345 00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:32.319 know, we've been hearing since we were kids about earthworms are so good and 346 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:36.400 the more earthworms in your soil, the better your soil is. When in 347 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:40.799 fact we are talking whether it's a jumping worm or your nightcrawlers or whatever worm 348 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:45.519 you are seeing in your backyard, those are actually introduced and sometimes, as 349 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:49.640 in the case of jumping worms, invasive species post glacier worms. Yes, 350 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:55.079 th to global worming. Okay, yeah, so the glacier wiped them all 351 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.839 out. They didn't come back, and now we have all of these invaders. 352 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:03.279 So now to get to the so basically in terms of the garden, 353 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:10.599 in terms of residential environments, having earthworms is not really a problem. It's 354 00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.799 okay, they do in fact, you know, break stuff down in the 355 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:17.799 soil and add more organic matter. They do have some benefit, but in 356 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:22.599 the forests and in natural areas it can be quite a different situation. They 357 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.880 cycle through nutrients more quickly, so that can make it more difficult for certain 358 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:33.480 native plants who have very close symbiotic relationships with the soil to thrive. It 359 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:40.160 changes the soil chemistry, it changes the texture. It has caused problems for 360 00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:44.279 things like salamanders, one of my personal favorite creatures and something I always look 361 00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:48.640 forward to seeing in spring birds. It causes all sorts of problems. And 362 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:55.400 so again we're looking at a difference between home and nature, so it is 363 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:57.880 important to understand what you're dealing with. And so we'll move on to the 364 00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:02.880 jumping worms, which yes, or a problem in backyards, but are actually 365 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.559 unfortunately found in natural areas as well. So they're a bit smaller than probably 366 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.440 most of our worms that we commonly encounter when we're gardening, and they're called 367 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:17.880 jumping worms because they move with like a really vigorous, snakelike movement. If 368 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:23.000 they're disturbed, they're aggressive, they're aggressively wormy, and they there's a couple 369 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.519 of other characteristics that you can look for, and I will post some links 370 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:30.599 of course at Gardening Simplified on air dot com. But this is what I 371 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.720 mean when when I say you have to research and arm yourself with the knowledge 372 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:37.079 of what you're facing so that you know you know. Of course, if 373 00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:41.160 you're concerned you've heard about jumping worms, then you need to look up pictures 374 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.799 of them and know what to look for, so that if you do have 375 00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:47.480 them in your garden and you're out there next spring digging, then you know 376 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:51.720 what you're dealing with, and that helps you feel more in control of the 377 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.400 situation and you know how you're resolving it. Essentially, you have to be 378 00:27:55.400 --> 00:28:00.960 a bookworm. You have to be an internet worm. Good luck probably finding 379 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.720 a lot of information about jumping worms and books these days. So it's a 380 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:07.359 good idea to be able to recognize them so you can tell if they're a 381 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.240 problem. And they are pretty much entrenched across the Midwest right now as well 382 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:15.559 as through the south, Northeast and southeast as well. Now if you know 383 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:22.000 you have them, you can There aren't that many control methods, and that's 384 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:23.759 what Victoria was asking, is like, how do I control these if they're 385 00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:27.880 in my yard? There aren't really very many things you can do. One 386 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.240 thing you can do if you know that you have jumping worms is you can 387 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.960 make a mixture of a gallon of water and a third of a cup, 388 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:40.640 which is a lot of freshly ground mustard seed. And you can get mustard 389 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:45.559 seed pretty inexpensively at a lot of like Indian groceries. So you don't have 390 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:47.759 to go and get that little thing at you know, the grocery store that 391 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:51.480 costs seven dollars. You can get something less expensive. Grind that up, 392 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.519 mix it together, pour that into the area, and you'll know you have 393 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.119 jumping worms. It has like a coffee ground. They give your soil of 394 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.799 coffee grounds like texture that will cause them all to come to the surface. 395 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.720 You can scrape them right up and toss them out. Now you only want 396 00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:10.400 to do this, however, during the growing season, so basically like late 397 00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:14.440 spring through early fall, because jumping worm adults don't actually survive our winter. 398 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:19.000 They're an annual worm. Oh my, that's heart that's heartworming, right, 399 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:23.960 So the adults all die, but they leave their cocoons in the soil and 400 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.000 then they hatch out in spring and so it goes on. They actually do 401 00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:33.960 not have to mate to have cocoons, a viable youth, viable young worms. 402 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.000 It's just weird. Yeah, that's it's not uncommon. Aphians do that 403 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:42.160 as well. It's called parthenogenesis. And I actually just read something that a 404 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:47.839 fish and an aquarium just gave birth through parthenogenesis too. So it's a wild 405 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:49.640 world out there. But the other thing that you should know if you know 406 00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:55.319 that you have jumping worms is do not give plants to your friends. And 407 00:29:55.359 --> 00:29:57.200 I know that's kind of a heartbreak. That's something that we gardeners love to 408 00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:02.279 do, is to share our plants. But anytime of the year you could 409 00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:06.200 have those cocoons in there. They're almost impossible to tell because they're soil colored. 410 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:10.400 And so until the jumping worm issue is resolved, or you know that 411 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:12.920 your friend also has jumping worms and you're not moving anything from one place to 412 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:19.400 another, that would be another recommendation I would have for if you have jumping 413 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.880 worms. Wow, do the birds like them? I'm going to hope that 414 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.440 the birds like them. I mean, this time of the year, I'll 415 00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:30.160 till leaves into the soil and then next spring there's all kinds of earth worms 416 00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.680 and I just love it. I think it's great for my soil. But 417 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:36.880 the birds love the worms. Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna assume they'd 418 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.680 eat jumping worms. I'm sure they would eat jumping worms if they can get 419 00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:42.319 them. But you know, they probably are going to go burrow down into 420 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:45.279 the soil and not be you know, on top, unless it's one of 421 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:49.000 those after arrain situations when all the worms come out. So that's probably more 422 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.160 than any of you wanted to hear about jumping worms. But I thought it 423 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.119 was actually quite interesting if you want more resources or all the information that I 424 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:00.200 just shared, Gardenings Simplified on air. Now we have to take a little 425 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.960 break. When we come back, we've got a special guest for branching news. 426 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:11.000 You aren't going to want to miss that. Sub Stay tuned. The 427 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:15.720 Gardening Simplified Show is brought to you by Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. Our 428 00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:19.960 award winning flowering shrubs in evergreens have been trialed and tested for your success so 429 00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:25.440 you enjoy more beauty and less work. Look for Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs 430 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:30.240 and the distinctive white container at your local garden center. Welcome back to the 431 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.519 Gardening Simplified Show. It's time for branching news. No, it's not breaking 432 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:38.359 news, but we don't make this stuff up. And today I'm excited we 433 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.839 get an opportunity to talk to Lisa Rose. Lisa is an herbalist, a 434 00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:49.039 forager, an urban farmer, a writer with a background in anthropology and a 435 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:55.720 professional focus on community health. She's gathered her food, farming and wild plant 436 00:31:55.799 --> 00:32:00.880 knowledge for many people and many different places, all across the world. I 437 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:06.440 guess you could call it a delicious journey. Lisa's written three books. I 438 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:12.519 have read some of them, one of them Midwest Foraging, another one Midwest 439 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:19.440 Medicinal Plants, and now Urban Foraging, which Stacy I'm very interested in getting 440 00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:23.240 into because having spent time in places like New York City or whatever, I'm 441 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:28.200 not quite sure how you're going to forage for food, but I guess Lisa 442 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:31.240 is going to let us know. Lisa, Welcome to the Gardening Simplified Show. 443 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:36.920 Rick, It is so lovely to be reunited. Excited to be here. 444 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:39.880 I have known Lisa for a number of years. She was on a 445 00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:45.599 previous program with me Stacy, and I remember one time I caught a cold 446 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:50.480 and Lisa talked to me out of Vick's vapo rub. She just told me 447 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.519 how to get some needles off a pine tree and steam or boil them. 448 00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:58.079 And I tried it and it worked, and it cleared my sinuses, and 449 00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.839 I was hooked on this whole thing. You know, Plants, as we 450 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:07.119 know, are magical. They have a whole variety of values. They bring 451 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.039 to the world, not just for our ecosystems, but for help and for 452 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.440 beauty. So I'm lucky to have helped you a little bit with the cold, 453 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.880 and from there a flot our friendship and blossoms. I guess you could 454 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:22.839 say you got it. Now teach me eth no botany. What is eth 455 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:29.960 no botany is a really fancy academic word for simply the study of how humans 456 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.880 have used and worked with plants across times and across states. And so for 457 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.920 me, my love of plants came, you know, when I was very 458 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.519 young, being out in the garden with my mom. We're from Plint, 459 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:43.079 originally moved over to the west side of the state. It was lucky enough 460 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.359 to be, you know, just a stone's throw from Lake Michigan. And 461 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.839 so, you know, plants of all and just the natural world has always 462 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.440 been a strong part of my life. And from that point of curiosity, 463 00:33:54.519 --> 00:34:00.319 I've always been interested in how people across the world have related to to the 464 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.799 natural spaces around them, the botany, the plants around them for food and 465 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.719 medicine, So not just current day people like me and you, but also 466 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:13.280 past, past cultures and past uh, past histories and past you know, 467 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.960 are past as a species for for thousands of years. So that's my damn 468 00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:27.960 well, Lisa so Ethnobotany is essentially the relationship or the interrelations between people and 469 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.599 plants, which is something we talk about often here on The Gardening Simplified Show. 470 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.639 At the core of it, that's, you know, that really is 471 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:40.639 what it is. And I think that I'm never without a day that I 472 00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:45.239 don't find and learn something new about a different a different way. Somebody relates 473 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:49.519 to plants a different way, a culture uses plants and works with plants, 474 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.440 or even understands plants. So that's, like I said, at the center 475 00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:58.159 of my work in yours as well. So in your most recent book, 476 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:05.400 Urban Foraging, you teach us that for city dwellers, finding ingredients for dinner 477 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:09.440 may be as easy as stepping outside into the green way. Give us some 478 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:15.320 examples on that, how do I do that in New York City or Lincoln, 479 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:20.760 Nebraska, or Los Angeles? How do we do that? Yeah? 480 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:24.400 Well, urban foraging really is the next step and continuation of the work that 481 00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:28.320 you've known me to be, you know, to teach and to bring you 482 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.639 know, to communities into people that you step outside and you are in nature. 483 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:36.280 Nature is all around this. You don't have to go to a national 484 00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:42.119 park or to you know, an exotic locale to make that immediate connection with 485 00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:47.679 nature. And so urban foraging really is a part is two folds to help 486 00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:52.679 bring and inspire people outside of their urban skates. If you are in New 487 00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:54.840 York City. You know, for the past couple of years, my office 488 00:35:54.880 --> 00:36:00.039 had been in New York City, so I was co located, getting outside 489 00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:06.440 with with the my neighborhood around my office and connecting people with with plants and 490 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.800 their their area to just say, look, just open your eyes and start 491 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:15.519 to understand that nature is around us. Now, there's a second half to 492 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:24.039 that. It's understanding plant ecosystems, watersheds contamination that we frequently have in our 493 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:29.159 cities. So that's the other half of how do we understand the current state 494 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:37.639 of our landscapes? How can we really take steps to bring help back into 495 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.719 our city scapes. And so it's this real treat us, I think in 496 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.840 my own way to inspire people to make that connection that plants are outside your 497 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:51.880 doorsteps in you know, outside towards central parks. Can central parks be your 498 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.639 green grocer? Can you be gathering everything for a meal? Not only is 499 00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.079 that not you know, feasible from a plant you be perspective, it would 500 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:05.079 be unethical, right or from a volume perspective. So it's more of a 501 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.920 jumping off place to say, hey, we are connected to nature and in 502 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:15.679 our cities, especially where there's some of the most I want to say the 503 00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:22.320 word, you know, degraded lands, abused lands, and certainly urban communities 504 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.960 that we feel left behind and our rest felt communities. It's really also a 505 00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.400 story of hope that we can reconnect to the land that's outside our door and 506 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:37.400 reconnect to the source of our health and really have that be a hope and 507 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:40.639 a way forward. Stacy, you lived for some time in New York City. 508 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.320 Did cross your mind to go out there and do some urban foraging? 509 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:50.400 I mean I didn't, but I definitely I mean as someone who loves and 510 00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.320 you know, has some understanding of plants. You know, there were certainly 511 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:58.159 times where I would walk by and something and just say, oh, you 512 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:02.079 know what about people don't realize that's edible or you know, there's so many 513 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:07.880 things that people just think of as weeds that are actually pretty choice edibles. 514 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.840 And it doesn't have to be as urban as New York City. I mean, 515 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:14.480 certainly here in West Michigan we have a lot of those that we could 516 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:15.800 get. And you know, one of the things I'm really interested in, 517 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:24.159 Lisa, is how urban foraging can help to in some small way mitigate the 518 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:29.159 spread of invasive plants, because so much of it is things like harvesting fruit 519 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:35.280 from eli agnes that helps to prevent the spread. Yeah, well, I 520 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.400 think that that's it's a reprise. So one. I'm glad that you can 521 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:42.559 make that connection, have it, you know, as a New York City 522 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.159 dweller, to be able to see, you know, see the potential and 523 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:49.960 that you know that those those edible plants and those plants allies or around us 524 00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:54.159 in the city. I think when we look at I think what it gives 525 00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:59.880 us a jumping off place to have a conversation of what is a healthy ecosystem. 526 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.119 Right, it's bigger than invasive species. It says, okay, what 527 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:08.920 do we really need here to have a system that has a healthy watershed, 528 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:13.559 a healthy you know, how do we look at the built environment in general? 529 00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:15.920 What are we you know, just I think and at that's at the 530 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:21.320 planning level perhaps, But then as a community gardener, right, what can 531 00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:27.440 I do with outside my windows, windowsills to affect pollinators, to plant container 532 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.840 gardens? If I have a community garden space, you know, just down 533 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:36.199 the street or within my block and my neighborhood association, how can we consider 534 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.440 you know, working with the wild plants. And then also maybe take it 535 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:44.440 one step further to add you know, I think of it as how do 536 00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:49.920 we add versus combat? Right? Because when we add and have this this 537 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:58.360 regenerative, this generative approach to design, it has I feel a compounding effect 538 00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.000 of in terms of, you know, how do we add fruit trees into 539 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:06.239 the space, or how do we consider like looking at the land where do 540 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:09.719 we have the basis plants? What have we planted previously that might not be 541 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:15.719 suited for you know, in terms of the soil or if it's you know, 542 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.599 uh they you know, if we talk about autum olives that you mentioned. 543 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.239 How do we how do we eat the fruit or recognize that that is 544 00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:30.079 a way of managing our plant community? Right? So I think it's it's 545 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:37.480 again that it's it's sprout the conversation to say, okay, what how do 546 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:45.559 we really look deeply at what a healthy ecosystem can be and then add those 547 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:50.679 things in, right, and then that will just start like a healthy compost 548 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:54.840 pile that requires the layers and the integration and the turning and getting things to 549 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:59.840 the right temperature. It's we've all heard of slow food in my world. 550 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.280 It's like I start to think of it that is slow gardening. Right. 551 00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:07.960 How do we start to really slow things down and start to understand by first 552 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:15.280 paying attention? Right, because that's one of our biggest abilities as gardeners to 553 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:20.280 pay attention naturalists, you know, we read the landscape. How do we 554 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:23.840 start to get outside again? Before you gather anything and put it in your 555 00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:30.320 mouth, you need to know what it is, right, all right, 556 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:35.079 So this is not just a philosophical, you know, discussion, This is 557 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.519 really also prat text and quite practical. You know, you get outside your 558 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.320 front door, you need to know where you are you need to be able 559 00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.800 to understand, you know what, the basics of botany and then also not 560 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:51.679 to over it like we started with the word ethnobotany. I really feel that 561 00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:59.039 foraging and community gardening democratizes plant knowledge. Right, this is not just a 562 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:02.559 way this is this is this is a way humans have lived as long as 563 00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:07.039 we've been on the planet. Right. That's that's a great point, it 564 00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:12.320 really is. And and Lisa, following you through the years and again we're 565 00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:15.920 talking to Lisa Rose. Uh. Two beautiful books that I have read, 566 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:23.159 Midwest Foraging and Midwest Medicinal Plants now Lisa's new book Urban Foraging, and uh, 567 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.480 Lisa along the lines of where you were going with that. You know, 568 00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:31.960 I have found from following you reading your books that many of these plants 569 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:37.800 that were foraging for in society we consider to be wheat. It's like, 570 00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:45.360 take me to your weader dandelions, right or one that one that totally gets 571 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:51.400 me that I cannot handle is nettles are oh, can't handle it. I 572 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:52.960 got you there. I heard, I saw where you were going. I 573 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:59.480 mean, are these stinging nettles, Lisa? And we're going to consume them? 574 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:00.840 You know? And I think that you hit on it. It's like, 575 00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:05.880 these are the great secrets of health, hiding in plans right, right, 576 00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.400 and not only hiding in plain sight. But they've been, you know, 577 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.440 they've been, they've been. They're the dastardly demons in our gardens. 578 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:20.000 When in the actuality they each have, say, roles in the soils. 579 00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.559 Right, there's a reason they're there, good, bad or otherwise. Right. 580 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:27.880 And then also they have tremendous health benefits. And you know, you 581 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.440 mentioned the stinging nettles, very high in plant protein. Everybody knows nettles, 582 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:36.360 especially if your kid, brother or sister pushed you off your bike into the 583 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:40.800 ditch, you know, along along the roadside, right, you've fallen in 584 00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:45.079 them and you've gotten to you know. And they're distributed on different species across 585 00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:51.320 all of the United North America, United States and into Europe. But historically, 586 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:55.079 and they nettles have been used as a cordage to make you know, 587 00:43:55.119 --> 00:44:00.239 to make roapes make spread. And it's highly nutritious, high end plant proteins 588 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:05.400 high and magnesium high, in calcium high. You know, it's it really 589 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.800 puts spinage to shame. If you start to look at the nutritional value side 590 00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:13.199 by side, and so again I all we talked at the beginning. To 591 00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.960 understand the landscape, you need to gather nettles from a place that has a 592 00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:22.159 clean water source. Generally you'll find them in you know, a drainage ditch 593 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:27.480 area or you know, alongside a creek or a stream bed. But you 594 00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:32.360 really need to have that base knowledge to say, okay, what's the water 595 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:36.480 source? Can I you know, can I harvest these netles? And how 596 00:44:36.519 --> 00:44:40.039 to make those really good decisions that once upon a time used to be. 597 00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.360 You know, how we fed our families during the war, during the Second 598 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:51.519 War, netles huge staples in France and into Italy and Germany when people had 599 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.440 nothing else to eat because of food shortages. Right, So these these are 600 00:44:54.559 --> 00:45:00.559 really it seems trendy and kind of new and even new age in some ways 601 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:06.599 when you talk about herbal medicine. But again the ethnobotanist in me says, 602 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:10.079 look, these these plants have had a history and a history of use with 603 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:15.960 humans, a relationship with humans across time and across space. How can we 604 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:21.519 refine those traditions and bring them into our lives. And honestly, it's not 605 00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.920 just about the plate of salads that you might get you know, from gathering 606 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:29.360 your dandelions or violets, but you get I think, with a more deep 607 00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:34.559 emotional connection to nourishing yourself. And again just that pride. You know, 608 00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:38.280 when you watch kids pick tomatoes off off of a you know, tomato vine 609 00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:43.199 that they've grown in their own gardens. The same happens, you know, 610 00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:47.400 when you watch kids pick dandelion leaves and dress their salads with you know, 611 00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:54.800 dandelion flowers and violet flowers, or steam nettles, or have fun banging each 612 00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.639 other up with nettle branches in the fields. You know, I guess right, 613 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:05.119 well, watched with my kids with kids in the school gardens and whatnot. 614 00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:09.800 There's something about it too that reminds us how to be playful right outside. 615 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:14.000 In our first segment, Lisa, we did talk about vegetables and we 616 00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:20.400 talked about the bitter nature of some vegetables and why kids, many kids have 617 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:24.920 difficulty eating vegetables. Cake, ice cream, that type of thing are synonymous 618 00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:30.480 with good times and parties and that sort of thing. But how do we 619 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.679 get them to eat their vegetables? And of course part of it, yes, 620 00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:39.280 is education, education, and looking at something in a different light. 621 00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:45.519 Yeah, And I love that you bring that up because it is about exposure. 622 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:50.239 You know, our standard American diet has two flavors you mentioned, one 623 00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:54.440 which is sweet and the other is salty. Now, I love a glazed 624 00:46:54.480 --> 00:47:00.000 doughnut like the next girl. Okay, And I love, you know, 625 00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:06.639 my salt and vinegar potato chips. But I also know that there my body 626 00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:12.000 knows because I can recognize this because I know when I need to have my 627 00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:16.679 bitter salad greens, my end dies, my ridipo right, my dandalion leaves. 628 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:22.760 In some cases, I need to add you know, some doc you 629 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:28.280 know, some medicinal bitter greens to my diet of my stomach s upset. 630 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:35.880 And I think that our bodies know how to use all five flavors. It's 631 00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.000 just a matter of having exposure and then integrating that into our day to day 632 00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:45.119 diet. And we've come so far from that using those wild plants and having 633 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:52.960 such overprocessed salty food that we just don't know how to go forward right with 634 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:57.880 with those new flavors. Well, speaking of going forward, so what is 635 00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:02.519 your advice, aside from getting your book for someone who wants to start getting 636 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:07.480 into foraging, you know, and understanding that that first step, you know, 637 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:14.800 identifying what you are seeing is the hardest in many ways to start to 638 00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:16.920 acquire, you know, that breadth of knowledge. What's your advice for someone 639 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:22.639 to kind of get, you know, their first foray into foraging. So 640 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:27.840 for anybody interested in starting out as a beginner, all of my books, 641 00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:32.679 all my forging field guides really provide a methodology and a framework to to thinking 642 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:37.599 about how to begin foraging right in a very easy and accessible way. First 643 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:43.440 and foremost, I always love people to start with stepping outside their front door 644 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.599 and really just take a walk, choose a path forward. Perhaps it's around 645 00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:52.119 the block, perhaps it's down the street and back. Perhaps it's you know, 646 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.639 to your children's school. If you drop kids off at school, maybe 647 00:48:54.639 --> 00:49:00.119 you walk around the school the school yard and start bring along a paper and 648 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:04.880 pen, and start to notice what the landscape is. If you're if you're 649 00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:09.320 a gardener, you're actually even one step ahead because you already have a space 650 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:15.559 that grows plants that can that invariably may already have wild plants in them that 651 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:21.360 we might qualify as weeds. Right, So there's this noticing practice that has 652 00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:29.440 is first and foremost important to start to practice and to adopt as a forger. 653 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:31.920 Of course, as a gardener, you know the importance of also noticing 654 00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:38.440 seasonal patterns, right, and changes in the landscape across the year. So 655 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:45.719 having this this new way of looking at the world, you'll start to observe 656 00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:50.840 and notice what grows when if you start to take the same route over and 657 00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:53.639 over again as a very you know, I think of a farmer who walks 658 00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:59.880 their field every day, right, They know every inch of that land in 659 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:04.119 side and out forward, backward and from winter until the next winter. Right. 660 00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.119 So just to start this as a practice to get to know the land 661 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:13.320 that you're at. And one of those considerations then also is to understand, 662 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:17.239 okay, how has this land been used over time? So something I've talked 663 00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:22.599 about is safety. Right, getting to know the historical use of land is 664 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:28.400 quite important, regardless of rural, suburban or urban landscapes. Right, there 665 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:34.840 are content, there are things to be careful of, everything from railroad tracks 666 00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:42.320 to easements to super fun sites you know, gas stations right, Just all 667 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.960 again, being a girl from Flint, these are things that are in my 668 00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:50.480 awareness all the time. And it doesn't mean that you can't go ahead and 669 00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:55.199 you practice what you preach. Lisa, because Stacey, Lisa and I met 670 00:50:55.320 --> 00:51:01.519 a number of years ago as runners, and I would in in races that 671 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:08.719 she was more interested in veering off into the brush because she spotted something then 672 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:14.880 uh and eventually you'd get to the finish line. So you even did foraging 673 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.639 while we were out there running, yep. I you know, admittedly I 674 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:23.000 have been told I'd be much faster if I didn't snack and forage along the 675 00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:27.920 way. But you know, I am just somebody that's quite practical and if 676 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.239 I'm gonna go out for twenty miles, I may as well put acorns in 677 00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:36.119 my pocket sometimes my running bra. You know, I just not on crab 678 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.519 apples. You know, you know again, you gotta you gotta, you 679 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:47.159 gotta use your resources strategically, right and you know I think that again though, 680 00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:52.719 being mindful of where together is really again that crucial step, right, 681 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:59.679 and it's it then comes down to logic and common sense. Once you start 682 00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:02.000 to know your plants, you know, if they're crab apples in the city 683 00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:07.280 or you know, off for those that are familiar with Grand Rapids, let's 684 00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.840 say, you know, off of off of the trails over in some of 685 00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:15.159 the more industrial areas. I'll say, like let's say Chicago Drive. You 686 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.559 know, if I can't across an old wild apple tree, I'd most likely 687 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:21.719 would snack on it. I'm not saying anybody else if they're not comfortable with 688 00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:28.199 that should But if it was a root, maybe like the yellow duck in 689 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:32.239 that same you know, let's say, same blighted field out on Chicago Drive 690 00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:38.480 or Nettles, I might choose to not harvest there if I didn't need to 691 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:44.360 or snack, you know, from plants in that same same blighted field, 692 00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.480 because I understand, you know, if a plant takes up minerals and we 693 00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:52.880 eat it for its minerals, like let's say spinach nettles, those same plants 694 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:58.960 will have a high uptake of things like lead, So have a high uptake 695 00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:04.360 of things like thee So that's a little different from the fruit parts of a 696 00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:08.440 tree. Right. So these are these as you start to become aware and 697 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:13.440 think about those plant parts that are edible. Of course, my biggest rule 698 00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:15.920 is don't put anything in your mouth that you don't know what it is, 699 00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:22.239 right, That's what we teach kids. That doesn't work, and it doesn't 700 00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:30.320 always work exactly. We're talking to Lisa Rose again. Three beautiful books, 701 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:36.360 Midwest Foraging, Midwest Medicinal Plants, and now Urban Foraging. Lisa, we 702 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:39.199 have just a moment left here. I wanted to ask you for our listeners 703 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:45.920 and our viewers with urban foraging, Can you give us three plants in the 704 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:50.679 city that maybe are tops on the list for you, and one of them 705 00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:58.199 cannot be nettles or dandelions. So top three in urban foraging. Okay, 706 00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.559 top three in urban foraging. That's that's easy, but but difficult. So 707 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:07.159 the first one is going to be mulberry. Across North America. The mulberry, 708 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.960 which is not native to uh to the United States, it's to North 709 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:17.760 America, is all over our urban scapes and the fruit is amazing in June. 710 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:23.760 It's one of my favorite first early summer berries to harvest. I make 711 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:30.559 jam, I make ties, love Love love. The mulberries super easy to 712 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:35.880 identify. Once you can identify it, it's not easy. It's not confusable 713 00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:42.239 with you know, a later a later berry like pulp or buckthorn berries. 714 00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:47.079 Right, So, mulberry is one of my fave O savea fay numbers along 715 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:55.800 with what's number two is one of my yes. Dinko has been commonly used 716 00:54:55.840 --> 00:55:04.000 well, it's for urban environments, very tolerance of growing conditions. It grows 717 00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:09.239 and has been planted by landscape architects all over many, many, many cities. 718 00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:15.760 And not only can the fruits be used, the nuts of the fruits 719 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:19.880 when they're available, but also the leaves for teas. And right now in 720 00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:25.079 late fall is a wonderful time to gather the leaves of the ginko. Then 721 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:31.880 my third one is acorns from the oak tree. And you know we've got 722 00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:37.760 a lot of disease threatening our oak trees across North America. They the acorns 723 00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:45.639 have provided humans nutritious plant carbohydrates for thousands of years. It's one of my 724 00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:50.519 I like to call it a gateway foraging herb. When you come to my 725 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:54.119 house and it's a football game on, I'll set the bowl of acorns down. 726 00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:59.360 You'll probably be asked to help shell the acorns while I maybe make up 727 00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:05.760 a forage cocktail for game day. And by far, the oak trees is 728 00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:12.320 near and dear to me is one of my favorite trees and provider of food 729 00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:17.760 in our landscape. I got to ask you real quickly foraged cocktail. Oh 730 00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:22.519 yes, and if you don't know my ability to forage plants for cocktails, 731 00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:27.320 we might want to come back for a new episode. Let's do that. 732 00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:32.159 Let's do that. I want to hear about these foraged cocktails. Her name 733 00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:37.320 is Lisa Rose. Three beautiful books, Midwest Foraging, Midwest Medicinal Plants, 734 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:43.960 and now Urban Foraging. Lisa, it's always a treat to talk to you 735 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:45.480 and all the best. And yeah, I'd like to take you up on 736 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:52.880 that. Let's talk about cocktail foraging, sometimes foraging in person, because it's 737 00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.360 been way too long, mister Weiss, So I look forward to seeing you 738 00:56:55.440 --> 00:57:00.000 soon. Sounds great. Thanks so much, Lisa, Thanks Lisa, Thank 739 00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:04.880 you both. I appreciate you and your love for plants. Well, you 740 00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.760 know, I don't know if there's a much better way to spend the next 741 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:10.559 couple months of the off season then learning about foraging so when everything starts growing 742 00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:14.760 again, you're ready to go. So that's what I'm going to do. 743 00:57:14.840 --> 00:57:16.199 And we thank you for listening. Thank you, Rick, thanks Adriana, 744 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:20.079 of course, thanks to our guest Lisa, and thank you all for listening. 745 00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:22.719 We hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving and a wonderful week ahead.