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Hello, everyone, Welcome to the
latest episode of Harvard Comas. This is

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Adam from Wile here with my fantastic, fantabulous co host Dan Valley. We

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have a goal today to keep this
episode under an hour, which is basically

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unfathomable whenever Dan and I are the
ones recording together. While I'm going through

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this introduction, Dan is looking through
our history of episodes to see if we've

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even done that in like the last
few years, and he's shaking his head,

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so I don't think he's going to
find anything. But we are doing

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a mailbag episode. We have a
ton of great questions. We're gonna try

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to get through them all and still
keep it under an hour. Wish us

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luck because we'll probably need it.
So before we get into the questions,

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my favorite question ask is always Dan, how's it going. I am doing

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it fantastic. So I did find
that we published an episode. This goes

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against us kipping it under an hour
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published a fifty six minute episode on
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that was under an hour. It
was a mailbag I can't remember if it

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was a solo mailbag or not though
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round it was it was it was
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that that really doesn't count. So
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continue to find it. But as
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Forget about both of us being on
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there's not been a sub one hour. There's been one sub one hour

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episode. It was a solo one. No, Caitlyn Cooper was on that

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one for the Indiana Pacers in December. We've had two sub one Oh wait,

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nope, you were not. You
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we look, we can't keep going. There's you and I. Let's see

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if we can make history. Then
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round. Everything's good with you,
You're ready, everything's good with me.

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Well, let's do it. Let's
jump right in, going through the discord

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mald bad questions first, This one
comes from demos quol. I apologize if

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I butchered the hell out of that. Does bam at a Bio have a

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legitimate chance for Defensive Player of the
Year given the fact that he's a better

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defensive rating, more defensive wind shares
and opponent points in the paint than Rudy

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Gobert, who is right now considered
the favorite. I would say, yes,

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he has a chance, just because
it feels like this defensive player.

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The race of the year race is
so topsy turvy because the leading candidates have

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all missed so much time. So
I mean, bam Adebayo has only played

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forty four games because he had the
thumb injury that he had to recover from.

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Rudy Gobert's miss time, Draymond Green
is miss time, so on and

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so forth. Personally, I think
that one of the leading Celtics defenders should

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be the front runner right now.
Whether you want to have Robert Williams the

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third or Marcus Smart, you can
make cases for both of them. Smart

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through the versatility, the point of
a tack defense, the off ball defense,

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Williams because he's such a suffocating presence
on the interior. They both spent

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a lot of time on the floor
for a defense that throughout the season has

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been arguably the best in the league, and certainly has been over the last

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few weeks and months because it has
been leaps and bounds better than anyone else.

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So I think BAM has a case
because he's been so impactful when available

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and should theoretically be available during the
stretch run when he's able to make that

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final impression. I don't know that
he's the leading figure right now because he's

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suffering from the same drawback that all
of the typical leaders are suffering from.

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Yeah, and I don't know how
you because Gobert missed most of his time

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with COVID this year, I believe, and he's still played like two hundred

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minutes more than Bam, So the
gap in playing time right now isn't significant.

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But I don't know if the context
under which they missed it matters where

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it's like I wouldn't, I don't
think it should. Well, my whole

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thing is, if we're talking about
the MVP discussion, I'm going to give

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it to Joel Embiad over Kevin Durant
because I'm not even going a factor in

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that. Joel and beat so far
as miss time only with COVID for the

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most part, where Durant miss all
that time with an injury, the gap

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in minutes is obviously bigger. So
perhaps that this is why it's so different.

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I would say Bam has a chance
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likely to finish in the top three. My preference would still be Rudy Gobert

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there, just because I think he
impacts the geometry of the floor more when

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you're looking at it's not just his
ability to send it back or to tur

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shots at the rim, like more
so than Bam out of Baio, who's

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not like this dominant rim protector necessarily
anyway, his their values are so different,

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where Bam is like rooted in versatility
more than any one elite skill.

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I feel like you might even count
he's better. He's the better one on

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one defender. If you've to defend
the honest, you want Bam ten times

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out of ten. But like teams
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near the basket because they're so afraid
of him. And I do think he's

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gotten a little bit or not a
little bit better. I think he's always

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been let's say, undervalued or underestimated
when he is pulled away from the basket.

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So he would be my pick.
But I think you hit on all

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the necessary points where it's there,
doesn't really feel like I know Gobert's the

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consensus favorite, but if someone told
me they voted for Michael Bridges as the

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defensive player of the year, I'd
buy it. So Jaren Jackson, Junior,

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Jannis, there are a ton of
options. And I was actually looking

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at the draft Kings Odds per Vegas
Insider while while you were talking here,

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and at fourteen players are listed.
This is as of March nine, so

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it is a little bit outdated.
Bam Adebayo is not one of the fourteen

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players listed, which I find interesting. Rudy Gobert is a favorite at minus

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one fifty five, followed by Jannis
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Junior at plus nine fifty, Draymond
Green at plus fourteen hundred, Robert Williams

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at plus sixteen hundred, and then
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Jared Alan, Matisse's Tyble DeAndre eight
and Jimmy Butler, Drew Holiday and

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Marcus Smart. I think, I
think it's ridiculous that he's not on there.

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I also get it because he's only
played forty four games, but then

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again, so have some of the
players on that list. Yeah, I

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mean when you're I just said,
like, he's played how many fewer minutes

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than Gobert at this point? He
said, So Bam is at it's in

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forty four games, he's played fourteen
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is at fifty two games sixteen sixty
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games or eight excuse me, than
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on there. You're right, I
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though, if you're better, that's
that's great value because I do think

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there just might be the element of
Rudy Gobert's won at three times already.

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People generally don't not generally, but
there are a lot of people that don't

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like Johannis is more likable than Rudy
Gobert. That's just I don't know that

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that's fair, but Johannis is more
liked ben Gobert. Just when you're looking

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at the perception plus four seventy five
for Yannis, I know Milwaukee's defense is

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struggling. It's not Jannis's fault that
they're struggling. So that's I almost want

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to place a bet on your honest
to win. This really does feel like

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a year though We're just like anyone
could win it because I feel like you

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can easily make a case for Robert
Williams, for Jared Jackson Junior, for

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Gobert, for Yannest, for Draymond
Green because of the value he's shown in

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his absence, especially if he does
come back this this following week and performs

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at a high level. There are
a lot of options. Yeah, he

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Draymond Green with thirty four games and
just one thousand, eighteen minutes. Basically,

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I don't think he has a chance, But this is the awarding.

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You can make a case because it's
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wouldn't personally make that case. I'm
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at someone who does. He wouldn't
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Still, it would shock me if
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thing. And this is the award, and we'll eventually do an awards pod

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the Defensive Player of the Year.
It's the I think it's the only award

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where I just don't even look at
it as having like, if you ask

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me who my favorite is right now, I don't know. If I could

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give you an answer, I'd probably
just the fault to Gobert. I wouldn't

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feel good about it. This question
comes from Ian forty two on Discord and

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it follows a similar line Top five
small forward point of attack defenders who can

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guard positions one through four? So
the way this question is phrased is very

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specific. And Fro who that?
That's Adam? I call Adam Fro.

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If people on the podcast, I
wonder if they know that. But I

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call Adam Fro. I don't know
which is ironic they having the lack of

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hair. Fro came up with a
way to try and like specify this,

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So why why don't you? Yeah, So I looked at deep Ball Index,

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which has defensive play analyzed on so
many different granular levels, from defensive

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roles to versatility indexes to the position
they guard most frequently and all of that.

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So I looked at their positional versatility
metric just showing how frequently players are

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guarding different positions, and only looked
at players they have classified as point of

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attack defenders. The issue here is
that this isn't saying their high quality.

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It's saying that their point of attack
defenders who do guard a lot of positions,

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but like Russell Westbrook is fifth on
this list and has by no means

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played good defense for the Los Angeles
Lakers this year. So I kind of

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wanted to just present the top of
this list and see if we could parse

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out the players we also thought belonged
from a quality standpoint. So the top

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ten, going from most versatile to
least verse Phil again, of these very

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versatile players, Aaron Gordon, Dorian
Finney Smith, Kyle Lowry, Andrew Wiggins,

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Russell Westbrook, Eric Gordon, DeAndre
Hunter, Javonte Green, Norman Powell,

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and Matisse Tyble. And I am
only looking at players with over a

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thousand minutes. So from that list, I think that Gordon is a good

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answer to this question. I think
that Finney Smith is a good answer to

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this question. I think the Tyble
is a phenomenal answer to this question.

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And then going down a little further
on the list, like guys like Drew

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Holiday show up, Fred van Vleet
is an interesting one. Beyond that,

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it seems to be a lot of
guys who get torched in a lot of

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different roles though, right and I
think it's if we were to do this

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like anecdotally, or maybe I think
some of the guys that you might put

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on this list, like a Mchaal
Bridges probably doesn't classify as a point of

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attack defender based on how they he
can do it not the primary role,

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right, so you know him Marcus
Smart, probably the fact that he doesn't

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classify as a point of attack defender
probably just proves that he belongs as the

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answer to this question when looking at
the scope that he covers and looking at

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small forwards specifically because we know it
Smart's not a small forward. That's just

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I would throw that piece of criteria
out the window just because like, positions

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are so fluid at this point,
so non ex and if we're asking for

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guys who are regarding four different positions, then I don't know that their primary

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listed position should truly matter anyway,
right, So I'd be curious to see,

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like the and Bball Index does have
this, They have a wealth of

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information at that site, like the
sort of positional breakdowns of those guys that

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are you know, class fied is
the most versatile, like Matisse Thybel.

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I feel like I never necessarily see
him guard that far up and I'm actually

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looking now, yeah, so he
guards power forwards fifteen percent at a time,

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which is not insignificant, but he's
basically at twenty five plus percent on

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one through threes. So it's interesting
how that distribution impacts that. I would

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say his name, Phinny Smith's,
Gordon and Holiday. I know he doesn't

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defend up a lot, but those
feel like the inclusions that, if you

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were even to say it anecdotally,
that are most likely to come up if

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we remove the if we remove the
point of attack clarification on the ball index.

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The top ten in positional versatility this
season again with a thousand or more

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minutes, Scotty Barnes number one,
Nicholas but two, number two, Jimmy

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Butler three, Aaron Gordon, four, Grant Williams, five, Ogna Nobi,

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Dorian, Phinny Smith, Jaden McDaniels, Josh Hart, and Jay Shawn

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Tate. I can see that most
of those, most of those guys are

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are listed as wing stoppers the BEAU, and that's those guys are going to

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spend more time on force, Like
that's how you get to the reason the

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force, that's how you get to
that quassification. I will say a name

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that I had jotted down because I
did this a completely different way. I

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won't go through my entire list,
and we named a bunch of them already.

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I would just like props because you
think that I despised this player and

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he hasn't played enough minutes this season
to wind up on any of these lists.

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Dylan Brooks is someone who's spraying to
mind for me. That's all I'm

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saying, is it? Ever since
I accused you of being a Dylan Brooks

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hater, you can't stop saying good
things about him. So like, I

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feel like you're overcompensating a little here, but I appreciate that because Dylan Brooks

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deserved it. Kat Alexander asked what
trade offers would the Lakers realistically get for

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a twenty nine year old Anthony Davis
coming coming off the back of an injury

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riddled season. I mean, this
is this is a damn question through and

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through. But I'll just say before
letting you run free here, that I

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don't know that Davis's appeal is going
to be diminished that much if he truly

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has put on the market, because
he's still such a game changing force in

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his twenties. Like the injury history
is really troubling, obviously, but he

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is the kind of player that you
still dream about acquiring, so we might

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we might disagree on that because I
think it's just been proven now and I

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don't want to diminish what he can
do, but you can't build a team

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around him, not a good one. It's just he doesn't have the offensive

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skill set to do that to be
a real featured weapon. We saw it

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in New Orleans, and unless he's
gonna ever play like he did in the

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bubble in twenty twenty, like,
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And that's why the comparisons to Jannis
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you think that don't you think that
that might change if he wasn't playing on

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a team with Lebron James and now
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still see franchises who don't typically have
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test that out enough that I don't
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And that's the perspective that I'm focusing
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demand it. Just because I'm not
placing the blame for the Pelicans never winning

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huge while he was there, But
Drew Holliday then under the circumstances, should

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have been like the quintessential, like
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never got to these exalts and there
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I just think this is not the
Lakers aren't gonna And this is with

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him under contract for long where so
he's two years left that a player option

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worth forty three plus million. You
probably assume he's gonna be coming off his

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age thirty season. Next year's age
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off his age thirty season with that
player option. He probably declines it,

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but you know, you have him
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the Lakers got anywhere near what they
gave up to get him, and I

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actually think what they gave. But
yeah, and I'm going through like teams,

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Yeah, there'd be a bunch of
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Like, who are the teams that
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These are the teams I think.
These are the teams that I thought of

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where it might make sense. So
I thought about Atlanta, build something around

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Clint Capela, Hunter and Picks,
and that would with Trey Young. I

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feel like that makes sense. Seems
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Charlotte, anyone outside of the Melo
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This one's is stretched just they don't
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do it. Dallas pairing with Luca
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was Memphis. I thought about that. But are you giving up Desmond Maine

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to get Anthony Davis when you have
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yes, I and you know how
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Right? Oh? What about?
Okay? This is just as an

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example. I'm not saying, like, would you if you're the Lakers and

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Miami offered you Kyle Lowry, Tyler
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that? Should Miami consider something like
that? Or do you not like bam

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Ad? I don't really like Bamad
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if they can work together, bam
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I just don't know that it's a
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running into diminishing marginal returns. The
a couple of other teams that had at

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least circles for all and I just
refresh the whatever I was on. So

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the Knicks were on there, but
whatever Minnesota because he doesn't like playing Center

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Towns is already there. Those two
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are you giving up to make it
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you're definitely not moving Anthony Edwards.
True the value there, that's gonna

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be tough. Oklahoma City has the
picks. If the Lakers are willing to

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rebuild, we're about New Orleans.
Pair him with Zion Oh, that would

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be great. So just in that
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Would you this is just this is
strictly hypothetical. Would you build something around

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Why Why would you mess with what
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That's the biggest thing. Portland was
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as long as Dames there my dark
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have that I think would make sense
for Toronto, Like that would just be

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are you building around Pascal Siakam?
I could like, just because you have

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so many different options on this team. I look at this and say,

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the only players I'm probably not giving
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Fleet and Og. Those are just
the guys that I'm And if you're really

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Barnes for it, would you give
Okay? So would it take Scotty Barnes

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and Siakham to get Anthony Davis?
I think so, That's kind of what

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I mean that I don't. I
don't think the trade value has gone down

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that much. You're not gonna recoup
what you gave up to get him in

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LA in the first place. We
are still talking about like a guaranteed when

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healthy all star in his twenties,
who has all NBA upside on a yearly

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basis, would you give up?
We are not that far removed from Davis

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being on the periphery of the MVP
conversation. Yes, but if the has

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happened between then and now. But
if there's a bidding war, So if

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you were THRONO know what I mean, if you were thrown, oh,

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you would give up Trent Siakam or
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takes from there. Yeah? Yeah, really mhm. I don't know that.

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I don't know if I would do
it. There's like a chance I

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might like Pascal Siakam more just because
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Davis is clearly the better devender.
Right, maybe maybe that's too spicy.

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Let's move on. That seems like
a good spot to move on from.

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Jay Dobbs ninety four. As if
the Jazz of another unsuccessful postseason first

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slash second round exit, they have
in parentheticals, what do you think the

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front office will do? Please give
a reasonable outcome and an extreme outcome.

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The extreme outcome might be the reasonable
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thing where I'm not sure those are
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anything, like what are you doing
if it's not an extreme move, right?

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Like what if you're making these moves
on the margins, like are you

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going to get rid of like Bogdanovitch? Like is that a needle mover?

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I think to me, you're blowing
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the way out. Oh see,
I would look at it the other way

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around. Donovan Mitchell is the more
valuable player? Are you in the playoffs?

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Agree that Donovan Mitchell is the more
likely to ask out of those or

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at least so it seems the extreme
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two stars and just starting a That
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if you look, if you're trading
Donovan Mitchell to me, you probably might

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as well trade Rudy Gobert if anyone's
going to be willing to take on that

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contract, I think the reasonable outcome
would be Bogdanovich. And now we are

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putting these distant first round picks on
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I don't know what it's right,
I don't The problem is, I

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don't know what it gets you.
You could really use a Jeremy Grant type

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player. You could also use like
you need some backup guards. Is like

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the middle ground. And you can't
even look at moving Mike Conley because that

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defeats the purpose. I mean you
could, but that almost defeats the purpose

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of one of the things that you
need. It just makes the playmaking hierarchy

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that much dinner. So, but
that the reasonable or the I wouldn't even

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say it's reasonable, because if the
jazz decide that they need to do more

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of a whole stale pivot. I
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where they're kind of getting I know
they have excuses and legitimate excuses. I'm

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not using that in a derovatory right
for why they've been eliminated, but it

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gets to a point where it's this
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If you can't make it past the
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So reasonably you could do whatever I
think if you were trying to keep this

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intact and not overreact or do something
nuclear is Bogdanovich. Plus, you can

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trade your twenty twenty six and twenty
twenty eight picks like you. I don't

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know. I don't know who that
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I would trade that much for Jeremy
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Goolbert be quite Demos also asks what
would be the plan for the Warriors to

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integrates What should be the plan for
the Warriors to integrate Moses Moody into the

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rotation because so far he's only been
playing when everyone is out. He's a

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second follow up question about James Weisman, but let's let's stick with the Moody.

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I kind of like what they've been
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he started the other night against Denver. He's played significant minutes when these guys

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have been out, and he's been
paired with the stars so that he's not

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tasked with doing too much, so
that he can show off these these flashes

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of growth, and he's looked like
he's capable of holding his own even at

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this early stage. You know,
Steve Kurr recently mentioned that he's strongly considering

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the possibility of using different starting lineups
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series by series basis in the playoffs, and I would have confidence in him

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to do that at this point because
this Warrior's team does have so many high

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quality players. Now. There was
also, I think it came via the

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Athletic the report about Kerr having internal
pressure to play Jordan poolmore, you know,

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maybe even at Clay Thompson's expense while
he's been struggling. And that was

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before the Saturday night breakout the Thompson
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There's there's a lot of different lineup
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So I like the way that the
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guys Moses Moody and Jonathan cominga chief
among them at the moment because they're they're

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getting chances to play legitimately impactful minutes
in a way that isn't detrimental to the

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team, even if they go through
rookie struggles. So I really wouldn't change

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much. I also don't think that
you can. There's the issue that you

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run into here we've already I think
one of the things you could do is

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say, Moses Moody is going to
be ahead of want Ascano Anderson in the

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rotation, and it seems like we
look at the Bucks game specifically that he

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is. You run into just a
minute's problem. So Draymond Green is going

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to come back. You can cut
all of the elites as minutes. If

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you want to have Draymond take those, then have him eat into some of

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Looney's minutes. So you have cominga
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whose minutes is he taking. You
have to play pool, You have to

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play kids. It would be Wiggins
or like Otto Porter Junior, so he

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didn't play in the Milwaukee game.
So when Otto Porter Junior comes back.

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But even if Otto Porter Junior comes
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down. So I'm with you that
I think the one thing they've done is

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tethering his minutes to certain players makes
a lot of sense. It's gonna have

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to be more of just a situational
decision with his minutes, though, because

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I don't know that you look at
anyone and say unless you're just like you

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could say what you want about Andrew
Wiggins. He's been bad since he also

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break, but then he also has
this huge game against the Bucks on Saturday

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night. So I think you just
keep doing what you're doing. It's just

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it's hard to still guarantee in playing
time. The closest you can come and

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say is gonna say like, we're
gonna call his number before Jtas But even

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look that might and even if you
say we'll give his number, we'll call

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his number before out of Porter Junior, even though Porter Junior can play some

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big man minutes for you, Andrew
go Dollar is going to come back too,

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So are you just gonna not play
Iggy? So I do think that

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you're you're right on the money with
what you said, and I do think

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that you know if push comes to
shove, because there are only so many

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minutes in a game. Unless the
Warriors are just intentionally going to triple overtime

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every time out, which would be
dumb, you have to prioritize Kameno over

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Moody. The other question here on
the Warriors was how do we expect Wiseman's

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role to be and what is his
ceiling? Do you think assistant coach Dayan

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Malosovitch can help him reach his potential? So the first question, I'll just

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say, and I think we both
agree, James Weisman doesn't have a role

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this year. It's just it's not
happening. He'll do nothing this year.

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Yeah, I don't think he should
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he's in the G League now,
that's fine, Like, keep going with

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that. And if you want to
give him garbage time at the NBA level,

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practice time, of course, do
that for sure. If he's healthy,

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his ceiling, I don't know.
I like, I'm not coping to

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watch a ton of college basketball.
He only had three college basketball games last

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year. Look, if he can, if he can show improvement as a

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rebound or and defender, that's his
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He has to get more diverse on
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phrase it, which is where Malasovitch
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credited with working with Nicole Yokich among
other guys. But Nicole Yokis is like

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the why wouldn't Nicole just be the
crowning story. Is he gonna like infuse

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James Watson with a higher understanding of
offense how to move the ball, or

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just give him, like help him
with the top priorities being able to catch

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the ball, which he struggled with
even that as a rookie. But I

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do think he can help. But
and I just don't know if it's gonna

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I do think James Wiseman's potential is
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offense, where it's pick and pop, pick and roll. Maybe he can

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put the ball on the floor a
little bit in space, but I don't

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think you're gonna want to run the
offense through him, work him in the

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post. I don't even know if
I trust him to make a bunch of

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decisions with the ball that Perhaps that's
where Malasovich, though, can make the

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biggest impact is ball control, so
coordination. Let's say that he and then

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like basketball, I hum, I
don't know how. I don't want to

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call it James Wiseman stupid. He's
a smarter basketball player than of people who've

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ever played basketball, probably because he's
made it this far. But I just

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I don't know that when when you
watched him last year and even just knowing

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what he said to be that,
I don't know if you have this player

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who's gonna operate on a higher plane
of existence offensively. I feel like if

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you're the Warriors are kind of hoping
that he turns into like a version of

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DeAndre Ayton in a lot of ways. Yeah, that's that's still dreaming pretty

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big at this point because we just
haven't seen it to the three games in

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college, a handful of games in
the NBA which didn't look very good,

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and then we're evaluating high school tape
again. Yeah. I think if anyone

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is telling you they know what James
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That I just and when are they
gonna work him in though it's like

402
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,440
you we're looking to next season in
year three? That's kind of wild.

403
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:49,400
This is why I have firmly been
advocating for them to trade him when they

404
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,039
can because the stock is only going
to keep going down, and it's not

405
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,720
even through a fault of his own, you know, even if he's developing

406
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,319
on a good schedule. You know, we just we just covered how hard

407
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,079
it is to allocate minutes to Moody
and Kamina, who have already shown that

408
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:07,640
they're way further along in their development
into NBA caliber players. So like at

409
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,119
some point other teams are gonna are
gonna bulk because Wiseman hasn't been on the

410
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,519
floor, even if that's a roster
construction issue and not a hymn issue.

411
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,319
I haven't been wondering, just because
the Warriors are so committed to balancing this

412
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,559
era with the next one. What
what have to happen in the playoffs?

413
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Like how would the playoffs have to
end for them to increase the urgency with

414
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,359
which they would consider trading their younger
guys in future picks. Would it have

415
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,559
to be a first round I think
it's like a first round exit because the

416
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:41,440
West has so much period this year
that like you can very easily explain away

417
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,720
a second round loss. I'm probably
with you, and they might not even

418
00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:49,599
do anything after a first round loss
because they it's like the people that run

419
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,440
that team are just very intent on
we're not mortgaging the future, like we're

420
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,920
going to develop and let's let's be
real. Like they've done an amazing job

421
00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:03,839
of straddling eras, Like they still
have all of the key pieces from the

422
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,759
dynastic version of the Warriors. They're
incorporating Moody, they're incorporating Kuminga whose ceiling

423
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:11,440
looks about as high as he can
jump. They still have Weissman, Jordan

424
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:17,160
Pool looks like an absolute stud.
There's a lot to like about the future

425
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,960
of the Warriors, even while they've
kept everything intact. Like, kudos to

426
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:26,079
that organization because it truly has been
light years ahead. Wow, let's move

427
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:30,839
on to the next discord question.
Jolt the Goat asked after the crackdown on

428
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,160
drifting fouls this season, there's been
a big push to eliminate the take foul

429
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,279
next season. How would you officiate
it? It seems like a gray area

430
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:40,759
foul that would be hard to literally
define in the rule book, so I

431
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:42,839
would imagine it would fall under I
know it when I see it situation.

432
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:45,519
I could see teams having a problem
with that in the heat of the moment.

433
00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:48,920
Also, how would you penalize it
two shots in the ball team technical

434
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,759
just leave it on called and let
the play go on. I think you

435
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:56,240
treat it like a defensive three seconds, but also give a foul to the

436
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,640
player in violation where they do get
the technical foul shot and the ball.

437
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,400
As for how you legislate against it, I think it is ultimately like a

438
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,359
subjective call made by the referees,
and ultimately most calls are subjective. You

439
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:14,279
know, we have a rule book
that identifies what the violation is specifically,

440
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:17,480
but it's still open for interpretation.
You know, the referees do the best

441
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:22,279
job they can of applying that rule
book correctly. But how many times have

442
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,119
we seen, you know, somebody
you know banging away in the post and

443
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:29,680
are they lowering their shoulder? Are
they not? Like is it a charge?

444
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,319
Is it a blocking foul? Like
that's subjectively determined. So I think

445
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:36,839
that, you know, it can't
be as simple as like a clear path

446
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,839
foul because that's such an obvious one
where they're ahead of any of the defenders.

447
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:47,160
But you know, maybe it's something
like if there are fewer players in

448
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,599
a fast break opportunity, if there
are a fewer offensive players down the or

449
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,079
if there are fewer defensive players down
the court than offensive players and it's you

450
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,279
know, a foul as the guy
goes by you, where it's just clearly

451
00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:03,279
an intentional that's the other part of
this that doesn't get recognized, like it's

452
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,319
an intentional foul, you know,
Like most fouls are not intentional, they're

453
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,039
unintentional, they're incidental contact, they're
a violation of the rules. But these

454
00:31:12,079 --> 00:31:17,039
take fouls are guys just grabbing another
player, Like that's pretty fucking intentional.

455
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:21,559
So I don't feel like even if
it's subjective, it's that hard to determine

456
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:26,640
subjectively. Yeah, and I'm with
you. If you were really worried about

457
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,559
discrepancies, you can maybe give the
coaches an extra challenge per game that would

458
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,359
only be able to be used on
that type of foul. But they're just

459
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,440
so obvious and egregious that if if
it's questionable, maybe they won't call it

460
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,519
because it means that they're like going
about making plays in the ball the right

461
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,759
way. But I'm absolutely of the
mind i'd like to the defensive three second

462
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:49,079
penalization type where it's one shot and
the ball plus assess the foul to the

463
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:53,839
player who committed it, but you
have to penalize it at some point because

464
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,039
these plays are just ridiculous and they
break up what should be like some of

465
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:01,720
the most exciting play in basketball in
transition, and also just it kills the

466
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:07,000
flow of the game further there.
So, just like how they've kind of

467
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,400
weeded out some of the gimmicky attempts
to draw fouls and that's been a lot

468
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:16,559
of you know, that's obviously up
to the officials in their own judgment,

469
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:21,400
this can be the same thing.
These are just so egregious that there's less

470
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,160
of a gray area, I feel
like for the most part. And while

471
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,279
we're at it, can we also
get rid of blowing plays dead for shot

472
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:32,519
clock violations when it's a clear rebound
by the defensive team, Like, it's

473
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,000
not that hard to apply an advantage
rule like you see in hockey or in

474
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:43,480
soccer, you know, where there's
a delayed penalty in effect. The only

475
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:47,000
thing though, with that is are
you so you're not assessing the team a

476
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:51,839
shot clock violation. You're letting it
play on because I get that if the

477
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:53,720
ball is in the air, if
the ball is in the air before the

478
00:32:53,720 --> 00:33:00,279
shot clock violation, don't sound the
buzzer, see what happens, and if

479
00:33:00,279 --> 00:33:02,680
it's a rebound by the defensive team, then go for it. I'd be

480
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:07,200
with it. I bet there are
the teams that missed the shot would prefer

481
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,720
the chance to get their defense set. But I totally, I totally understand

482
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,920
that this question comes from Darkwing Duck. Why the hell is Teryll Owens in

483
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,400
front of in the front row of
the King's at Jazz game in March.

484
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,400
I think he was wearing the same
shades as that. That's my quarterback speech.

485
00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:31,279
Why not? I tried to find
out why he was actually at that

486
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:37,880
game. I'm I'm like, there's
a tweet from twenty and twenty where I

487
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,880
think he references the Jazz and he
might be friends with Jordan Clarkson, So

488
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,279
is that why he was there?
That's the only I that seems right.

489
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:50,720
If anyone knows about a history of
Terrell Owens, the Utah, the Jazz,

490
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:52,680
any players on the Jazz, feel
free to add us. But that

491
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:59,400
was truly one of the more felt
like the more random famous cameos from a

492
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,079
from a from a fan. For
all we know, though, he was

493
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,840
just in Utah and felt like attending
a game, Kyler asked, every fan

494
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,800
base seems to think that the media
is biased against their team. Are there

495
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,840
any teams that you feel have a
legitimate case to claim this or are we

496
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:21,599
all just homers? I feel like
we're all just homers. Fan is by

497
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,159
definition, short for the word fanatic, and I think that says a lot

498
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,719
like I don't know that. The
other the other issue that I have here

499
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,800
is like the media is not a
singular entity, right right, So like

500
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,880
certain certain media personalities might be biased
against this specific team, a specific player,

501
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,400
but the media in general is not. Like, let's do what we

502
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:52,119
can to make sure that Detroit Pistons
don't get enough national airtime. I will

503
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:58,679
say the Pistons plus the the Kings, those are two teams that I look

504
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:02,519
at where feels like they're can an
absence of nuance when it comes to coverage

505
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:06,320
that's not team specific, where it's
someone who covers those teams on a day

506
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,880
to day basis. That's not to
loop on media into one, but let's

507
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,480
use the Kings as an example.
We're all in a rush to just troll

508
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,159
them for every single decision they make
because they're the Kings. And then with

509
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:19,639
the or the Thunder would be the
other one. People trolling them for tanking

510
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,440
where it's like there's a real rebuild
going on there if you watch the Thunder

511
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:28,199
at all or paid attention to the
going pretty well, right, So those

512
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,039
are the three teams I would just
single out as that there could stand to

513
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:37,199
be more nuanced. That's fair.
Maybe the Magic too, The Magic would

514
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:39,280
be fair. I also thought about
the Raptors a little bit. They seem

515
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:45,719
to go overlooked still. I know
the Raptors fans think that people believe their

516
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,559
team doesn't exist, and that's an
extreme, but I don't think that's like

517
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,599
born from some misplaced in security.
I think it's legitimately. The Raptors have

518
00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:57,079
been in part because they're not going
to be on national TV a ton because

519
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,119
they are in Canada. But it
also even feel like the title season with

520
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:04,920
Kauai. It just feels like they
want a title within the last half decade

521
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,199
and they're just they feel like a
footnote, which is weird to me.

522
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,880
And they have the best basketball executive
in the business and they still feel like

523
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,880
a footing with you. I think
that's no. I think that's totally fair,

524
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,239
But I mean it's every team's players, every team itself feels like they're

525
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:25,800
bias against it. Yeah, Lebron
James, Los Angeles Lakers, most famous

526
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,840
player in the sport, went on
his crusade about Washed King, and you

527
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,880
know how everyone was doubting the quality
of this year's Lakers team because they were

528
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,000
all saying it was too old and
all that. You know, like,

529
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:45,519
let's let's prove the media wrong.
It's it's everywhere. Is there a team

530
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,639
where you think the fan base will
claim this but they couldn't be more wrong?

531
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:51,719
I guess would have to be the
Lakers. If you think that the

532
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:57,039
Lakers aren't being if you think there's
an agenda against the Lakers, Jake Ass

533
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,599
don't know if it's oh, Jake
Ass. Well, let's say the Cavs

534
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:05,159
continue to slide into the play in
tournament, how good your fans feel about

535
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:09,000
their team moving forward drastically exceeding expectations. Having a stud with Mobiley and Garland

536
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:12,760
is clearly the man in the moment, probably got to be pretty disappointed,

537
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,679
but this year proved they have some
building blocks. Yeah. Absolutely, you

538
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:22,360
still have to be pleased because this
Cavs team has been cursed from an injury

539
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,800
perspective. You know, Darius Garland
is back now, but he missed time.

540
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:29,159
Rajon Rondo is out, Colin Sexton
is out, Jared Allen is out

541
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:32,079
indefinitely. Of course, you're sliding
down the standings, and you should still

542
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:37,599
be very encouraged about having three all
star level players in your lineup already in

543
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,079
Garland, Evan Mobley and Jared Allen, you know, all of whom could

544
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:46,239
have made the All Star team in
the Eastern Conference this season. And I'll

545
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,119
also say the thing that you should
be worried about if you're a cash fan

546
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:55,280
is you don't want them to try
accelerating this reinvention, because it's not really

547
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,360
rebuild anyway. It's a rebuild,
but it's just they're so close. I

548
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,639
would use the word that you don't
want them to over accelerate their position.

549
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:05,519
Me, Carris, the Vert trade
I think was ultimately fine, but you

550
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:07,239
don't want to see them go out
there and make a bunch of rash decisions

551
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,599
this offseason based off the You don't
want them to trade for Anthony Davis.

552
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,000
Maybe you do, I mean they
might start him in point guard, Larry

553
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:19,760
Marketing, Evan Mobley, Jared Allen, throw Dean Wade out there, and

554
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,599
Anthony Davis, there's your lineup,
Kevin Love maybe instead of d Jake did

555
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:27,840
ask another question about the defensive player
you're discussion, but I'm actually gonna get

556
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,679
more in depth on that specific topic
with a guest this coming week, so

557
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,960
I'm gonna leave it. Jake.
It's a really good question, which is

558
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,639
why I'm only teasing it now so
everyone should come back for the next episode

559
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:40,119
in the middle of the week.
Let's move on. We have a couple

560
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:45,480
of Twitter questions. Anthony asked,
could you imagine if the Hornets had Mitchell

561
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:51,320
Robinson? Are we a certified average
team? If you think I'm gonna take

562
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,199
this one just because if you think
Mitchell Robinson is going to be the answer

563
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:58,599
to a lot of what's Allen Charlotte, I'd probably push back. He's not

564
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,440
a good enough rebounder, I think
to fix what's gone on with them,

565
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,480
And yeah, he'd help the interior
defense. I will also argue that they

566
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,840
are still not in the bottom ten
of points allowed per possession when you look

567
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:15,119
at their personnel, their center rotation, that's overachieving. So maybe mister Robinson

568
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:17,639
makes you a lot better. But
that might be the way to phrase it

569
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:21,639
is how Emphy said, Yeah,
you might be a certified average defense the

570
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:27,159
difference between Raking twentieth and sixteen or
something. I will say during one of

571
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:30,480
the earlier questions from the smeilback,
though I couldn't help but think about Ruddy

572
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:36,960
Gobert and Charlotte. How do you
feel about that fit? I think it

573
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,760
would work. I'd be curious to
see how he plays if up tempo with

574
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,079
the melo there. It would be
a change of pace quite literally, given

575
00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:52,320
on Gordon Hayward Reunion and Utah to
get him absolutely absolutely rebuild around Gordon Hayward

576
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:57,599
and Utah. But I kind of
like that pairing if you can, If

577
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:02,400
you can do that while retaining Miles
Bridges, a LaMelo ball, Miles Bridges

578
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:07,719
Rudy Gobert trio is fun. You
also, you have to there's no way

579
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,920
you're getting out of that deal without
giving up, because what is it?

580
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,880
Book night, PJ. Washington,
And then every single pick and swap that

581
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,280
you're held exactly by the way,
You're not gonna have a lot of picks

582
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,079
to trade unless the one to New
York or now it's oad to Atlanta,

583
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:23,960
and that fucking cam Reddish trade was
a disaster. I know he was playing

584
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:29,840
better before he got injured, but
that cam Reddish trade was, by basketball

585
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,679
standards, a catastrophe. That pick
is not going to convey should be Marky.

586
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,599
The one thing that's a good point
here, aside from Rudy Gobert being

587
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:43,119
a quality fit, is I could
see teams worrying about his contract thirty eight

588
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:45,440
point two million next year, forty
one million the year after that, forty

589
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,840
three point eight the year for that, and then a forty six point seven

590
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,679
million dollars player option because during this
span you're gonna get two more years of

591
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:57,199
Lamello on his rookie scale, not
super cheap, but super cheap belt of

592
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,559
what he could cost you. And
then the MAX that he signs is gonna

593
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:04,719
be his first max, so you're
not dealing with a veteran max necessarily.

594
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:09,480
Charlotte might be the team that could
talk itself into not worrying about Rudy Gobert's

595
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,320
contract because their team doesn't have to
be mega expensive, is my point,

596
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,760
until the final two years of his
deal, So food for thought. I

597
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,199
just don't know if they can build. Do you think they could build a

598
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,280
package enticing enough. If let's just
say Utah's wi want to move Gobert if

599
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,920
the season, do you think Charlotte
without Lamello has the assets necessary to peak

600
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,920
if the Jazz still want to win
and you're dang, yeah, it really

601
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:35,920
depends on the motivation that the Jazz
have in blowing Are they blowing it up

602
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,480
or are they like trying to fix
things around Donovan Mitchell with a different lineup

603
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:45,679
construction. If it's the latter,
you need a thirteen probably not yeah,

604
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,880
And it's just like, even if
it's not Terry Rosier, James book Night,

605
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,920
Kai Jones, PJ. Washington like
those are you probably if you're Utah,

606
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,440
you probably want Miles Bridges as part
of that deal. That would be

607
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,280
the I think you're pushing for it
and to be included for sure, And

608
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,440
it would have to be a sign
in trade, so he would want to

609
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,639
have to go to Utah as well, which is just just pointing that out.

610
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:09,679
I'm not inferring anything. This question
comes from Charles who said, we

611
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,480
talked about on the last part when
we were ranking future, but Adam wasn't

612
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:15,599
there, and I think we could
go in deeper this, he says,

613
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:20,960
can Fox, it's a bonus be
the nucleus of the next Great King's team.

614
00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:24,559
This presupposes that there will be a
next Great King's team, and that's

615
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:29,000
a pretty big leap. Oh I
had I had a similar joke cute up

616
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:31,440
about how I was a little confused
by the question because next implies that there

617
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:37,960
has been one that's that's mean and
also untrue. It's media biased against the

618
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:44,599
Kings. There is thus proving thus
proving our answer to the previous question.

619
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:52,239
I still worry about the fit here. I still I still don't know that

620
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:58,639
I like Dearon Fox, who moves
in hyper speed when he's trying to operate

621
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:04,760
slowly, and Montes Sabonis, who
wants to slow things down and operate methodically

622
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,199
within the half court set. I
don't know that I love that fit enough

623
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:15,000
to think that this could turn into
the nucleus of a great team. It

624
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:19,079
helps that Fox has been playing better
since the trade. It helps it Sabonis

625
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:24,039
has been so effective since the trade. But it's also not translating into wins.

626
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,760
I mean, they have the two
wins as we're recording this since the

627
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:36,199
All Star break. So what is
the pathway to future improvement here? Is

628
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:42,320
it? Is it Mitchell blowing up
and becoming an absolute star as a sophomore?

629
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,719
Is it Rishaun Holmes becoming the player
Dan wants him to be? Is

630
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,480
it Dante DiVincenzo going boom? Like? Which free agent is going to come

631
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,519
in and make a big impact here? Are you going to rely on hitting

632
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:58,840
on another draft pick? Like I
just I don't know that this move was

633
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:05,519
a precursor to or so I'm actually
and I was doubting the offensive fit when

634
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:08,119
the trade first happened. After watching
and going through some of their plays together,

635
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:12,119
I'm ultimately fine with it. Fox
has played so well. I think

636
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:17,000
he's moved off. Is still not
excited about it? What's that? Being

637
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:21,440
fine with it is different than being
excited about it. I'm saying, offensively,

638
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,719
you can be excited about it.
They have a one seventeen offensive rating

639
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,480
with those two on the court,
which is an eighty nine percentile, And

640
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:31,000
the fit is not and they don't
haven't I personally, I don't think when

641
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,360
you look on paper, they don't
have enough shooters around them just yet.

642
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,679
So that's the pathway to getting better
on offense. It's defense that's a problem

643
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,119
because Fox has been just as bad
as advertised on that end. I know

644
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:44,360
people want to bang this. A
Bonus is underrated on defense, drum.

645
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,119
If he's your five, you've got
to have like positive defenders in front of

646
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:51,840
him, of which they do not
have very many right now. Devincenzo has

647
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,519
not been that guy for the Buxer
for them. He's coming back from injury.

648
00:44:53,880 --> 00:45:00,559
Justin Holliday is fine, Harrison Barnes
is fine. Davian Mitchell's trying to

649
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:04,000
run through a brick wall, so
he's great. But you need players who

650
00:45:04,039 --> 00:45:07,440
can also provide that type of while
also being more consistent with their offense or

651
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:13,239
at least their drump shot when looking
at Mitchell specifically, that's the path to

652
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,280
building around Fox and sa Bonus.
You need to surround them with high quality

653
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,840
defenders who are not net negatives on
offense. They do not have nearly enough

654
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,239
of those players right now. You
also need one of them, and I'm

655
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,639
looking at Fox for the most part, needs to play better defensively like that

656
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,519
is the That's what makes me uneasy
is that this skews so offense first.

657
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:37,199
Between those two, that's the bigger
issue. How do you flesh out the

658
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,679
team around them, and my answer
would be overall, no, I don't

659
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,280
think this is gonna be the next
great version of the Kings. I think

660
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,639
excused too far offense, and I
also look flat out. I know some

661
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:50,440
people have a lot of respect for
Monty McNair, that's great. I don't

662
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:54,400
trust this organization under Vivek roan Adeve. I didn't trust it before him.

663
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:59,639
But just to be clear, there's
decisions they've made have been questionable enough,

664
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,079
bad enough to where I don't need
to trust them, and I don't,

665
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:07,079
So my answer would be no.
But I will say I am excited about

666
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:12,239
what they can do offensively with Somebotis
and Fox. That's based off just seeing

667
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:14,920
I haven't seen every game they've played
together. Again, I went back and

668
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,679
watched a lot of the plays they
were involved with together, and so I

669
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:22,280
am excited about that. I'll clarify
on my answer. I don't think that

670
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,159
they're going to be like a disastrous
offense or anything like that. I just

671
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:30,239
I don't know that they're good enough
on offense to counterbalance the putridity on defense,

672
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,719
and if you're putting enough shooters around
them that that offense is sustainable.

673
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:39,079
You're just, in all likelihood,
creating more issues to be solved on the

674
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:46,000
defensive end. So I think that
they're talented enough that this could be the

675
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,920
core of a team that sneaks in
at the back end of the Western Conference

676
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,960
playoffs. And that's a huge success
for a Sacramental organization that hasn't been there

677
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,400
in a long time. I don't
know how much higher than that the ceiling

678
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,719
goes. Maybe if they win the
lottery this year. That's what I'm not

679
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,039
It's not the greatest year to win
the lottery though fair enough, so may

680
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:13,239
if they win the lottery next year, because this pairing obviously isn't working.

681
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,679
Like and that's the other thing,
like this is so typical Sacramento that like

682
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:21,760
this the year that it's really bad
the draft. It's like, it's not

683
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:27,719
worth being that bad for we're I
think we're mostly in locks that there.

684
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,599
The one thing I will correct you
is I don't need I think you put

685
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:32,239
it better than I did about the
offense, because I didn't mean to make

686
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,599
it sound like they're terrible on offense. I don't think it's a good fit.

687
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:40,599
Pace wise, it can still work. It requires more pieces those pieces

688
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,639
make the defense even tougher to build. Yeah, I would just say I

689
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,960
think it's already working, so that
I'm like, you still have concerns.

690
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,199
I think theoretically there could be stuff
that crops up, but you have to

691
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,079
keep Harrison Barnes. He's been mission
critical to making these two work. Overall,

692
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:59,800
though the answers no, and it's
not reductant to say it's because it's

693
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:05,320
the but I think defensively, it's
gonna be hard to flesh out this team.

694
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:13,039
Bios we asked how valuable is Tyler
Hero. I mean, I still

695
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:16,440
think that he is quite a valuable
presence for the Heat. He is.

696
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:22,519
He's in the running for what was
that? That was quite the take?

697
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,440
Tyler Hero is valuable to the Heat. How valuable I'm not quite sure.

698
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:29,920
I'm not quite sure what we're going
for here, because like he's averaging he's

699
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,599
averaging twenty five and four. Basically, I'm forty five and four. Report

700
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,440
from Bleach reports Jake Fisher that a
lot of people think he's gonna command the

701
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:44,280
full boat in extension talks. So
do you think he's worth a five year

702
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,000
max and extension talks? Yeah?
I do, I do. I think

703
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:51,599
as a as a change of pace
guard who can operate on and off the

704
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:55,559
ball, who is already demonstrating that
he is an elite scorer with you know,

705
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,480
three point capabilities both off the dribble
and off the catch, whose playmaking

706
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:05,960
skills have been growing year by year. I think he makes sense in that

707
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,480
role. I think he's on the
lower threshold for what a max player should

708
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:15,480
be in today's NBA, but he's
at least there, and I'd be curious

709
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:19,760
to see him in a bigger role. I know the way he plays with

710
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,760
the Heat helps him, but also
he's played at because they've been banged up.

711
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,480
And also, here's the thing,
Miamie just has a bunch of players

712
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:30,079
that get banged up. This is
not Kyle Lowry's old Jimmy Butler has been

713
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,320
injured before bam Adebayo. I feel
like he's had some stuff in the past

714
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:36,639
that one might not be true.
Still, though the Heat are winning the

715
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:39,440
minutes he plays without or they're playing
opponents to basically a net. Even in

716
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:44,199
the minutes he plays without all three
of those players, that's a big deal,

717
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:49,320
an even bigger deal. They're winning
fairly decided even minutes that he and

718
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,800
BAM play without Kyle Lowry and Jimmy
Butler and the other thing. You can't

719
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,719
worry about regression here. But we're
getting to the point where, like this

720
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:01,000
has been his shot diet per b
Ball Index, he has sixth worst three

721
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:05,920
point pull up shot quality in the
league, the sixth worst. He's the

722
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,559
third worst mid range shot quality in
the league. Now, when you look

723
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:13,880
at his efficiency in those areas,
he's shooting almost thirty seven He's shooting thirty

724
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,480
six point seven percent on off the
dribble threes, but on pull up threes.

725
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:20,760
That's on pull up threes, that's
above average. He's shooting forty three

726
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,159
percent for mid range this year,
which is in the sixtieth percentile, also

727
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:29,880
above average. When you have players
who can hit difficult shots at what would

728
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,239
just be above a league average clip, not even relative to the quality of

729
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,360
looks, but just to league average
in general, that's massive. And I

730
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,960
think what you also just talked about, and not enough people are talking about

731
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,719
there's been improvement as a passer there, not just with a willingness, but

732
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,840
like this is not the greatest barometer
for how have you playmakers with brand Ingram's

733
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,159
a great example, if you're making
passes that I can't see in real time

734
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:53,880
or read because I'm just such an
idiot of when it comes to the xs

735
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,840
and owers of basketball. I've noted
like you've made some type of jump when

736
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,639
it's just the simple stuff that than
I could see, then it's okay,

737
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:05,079
five, you made the right pass. But he's made more complicated passes this

738
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,000
year, So I think you're also
right that he probably is on the lower

739
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:12,880
end of what a max contract player
would be based off this season. Though

740
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:16,119
going into extension talks, I absolutely
would not sign if they are offering me

741
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:21,400
less than the max, right,
and he shouldn't. The defense is not

742
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,639
where it needs to be for him
to like truly ascend into that tier,

743
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,280
but the playmaking growth and I really
liked how you put it there. And

744
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:31,119
then you know, I think the
stats you throughout are great and it works

745
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:37,320
from the eye test as well,
because if you watch Tyler hero play as

746
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,599
just purely as a scorer, you
can easily convince yourself that this is a

747
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:46,400
guy who's going to average twenty eight
plus points for a season, right,

748
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,199
and he has the shot making ability
in every area. He makes the tough

749
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,280
shots, he seeks out those shots
when that shot profile eventually improves, which

750
00:51:55,519 --> 00:52:00,280
it typically does as players are moving
into their second contract and are more familiar

751
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,679
with the nuances of NBA defenses in
their own skill set. I could I

752
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,840
could realistically see him factoring into a
scoring title race one year. And like,

753
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,320
this is someone who was a twenty
nine usage this season. That's borderline

754
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,880
superstar level and it's uses and he
only just turned twenty two in January.

755
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,719
And I guess the thing you could
wait, And by the way, it's

756
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,639
not because we just went over all
this. It's not the type of us

757
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,800
is where it gets the balls.
It's not a finishing like big Man.

758
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,679
This is someone who has to plaut
his hands and self creates a good amount.

759
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,800
I guess what you could say is, how does this translate to the

760
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,079
playoffs? He just like the rest
of the Heat team last year, he

761
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:38,719
was pretty bad in the playoffs.
See I get wanting to see how he

762
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:43,000
fares in the postseason if they're healthy
and they have a better team around him.

763
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:46,199
And but he got it done when
in the bubble in twenty twenty he

764
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:49,920
was great. I get that it
was the bubble, but like, this

765
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,639
is not It's not an egregious ask
on his part to want a max contract

766
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:58,239
after this season. It's just it's
the other. The other type of improvement

767
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,400
that I always love to see from
young gunners, which is essentially the role

768
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,159
that he wants to fill and is
capable of filling, is the percentage of

769
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:09,039
their field goals made that are assisted. As a rookie from three point territory

770
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:13,159
seventy eight point four, felled to
seventy two point nine as a sophomore,

771
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,280
and it's down to sixty nine point
eight this season. On two's forty seven

772
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,519
point four percent as a rookie fell
to forty six point zero thirty two point

773
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:25,719
seven this year. He is creating
so many of his own looks and has

774
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:32,119
not sacrificed efficiency even while spiking in
volume. That combination of stats is not

775
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:37,760
easy to come by for young suc
course, and just so we're clear,

776
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,920
like him creating basically a third or
thirty percent of his own three point looks,

777
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,599
that is significant. I know some
people look at that number and it's

778
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:47,679
like, oh, seventy percent of
his three pointers are assisted, Okay,

779
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,719
like's not a lot. Yeah,
And also there's something to be said we've

780
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,880
seen not so I don't want to
use this guy as the example, but

781
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,199
like Andrew Wiggins for so long and
felt like the quintessential guy who is more

782
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:05,880
comfortable operating on ball than off And
look at Russell Westbrook like there's value in

783
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,599
being able to talk between on and
off ball responsibilities, and Tyler Hero can

784
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:15,639
do that. We have two more
questions. This one is well fairly quick,

785
00:54:15,639 --> 00:54:17,559
but I want to see if you
can guess the answer to the different

786
00:54:19,079 --> 00:54:22,280
measures of the best crunch time score. That was the running man Albert asking

787
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:27,480
who has been the best clutch scorer
this season? Now, without any numbers

788
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:30,360
or anything into the equation, if
you were just giving an anecdotal answer,

789
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,079
who would it be? Chris Paula. Chris Paul's like kind of sort of

790
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:37,679
one of the answers in this.
So first I did it buy three different

791
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:43,440
categories impredictable has clutch win probability added. This is not just scoring, but

792
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,000
I thought it was fun to look
at just the macro impact in the clutch.

793
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:47,679
I want to go through the top
five. I just want to see

794
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:52,440
if you can get any names from
that top five. I think you'll get

795
00:54:52,480 --> 00:55:00,719
some of them, but YO,
Kich one Lebron No, I just figured

796
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,280
because he does so much. Yeah, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say

797
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,400
Paul again. Fair he's Paul in
the top five despite the low minutes threshold.

798
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:13,679
No, he is. Paul is
twentieth on the list, which,

799
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,960
again given the minutes threshold, is
probably pretty impressive. Yeah it is Booker.

800
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:22,440
No, he's not in the top
five. You're missing I feel like

801
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:32,360
at least one obvious guy. Hmm, all right, so William No Tatum

802
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:37,880
is not in the top twenty.
I'm all over the place. DeMar derozen

803
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:44,320
is one. Oh, dah,
Steph is dah, Steph is two.

804
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,639
See that surprises me because I've just
I've not gotten the sense that he's closing

805
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,039
that frequently this year, Like not
on the court, they're not playing him

806
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:57,199
and crunch time. No, I
mean like I'm operating as the closer.

807
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:02,400
Yeah, Kyle Kuzma is three.
Never would have guessed that Cam Johnson is

808
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,719
four and Yokich just five. See, I knew there was going to be

809
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,000
a son in there. Then the
other two ways I looked at this,

810
00:56:08,119 --> 00:56:14,000
so we can look at the actual
just scoring and crunch time ear ear respective

811
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,920
of efficiency. Who do you think? The answer is the same, So

812
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,519
who do you think leads the league
and crunch time points scored? I'm gonna

813
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:25,079
go look to Rosen. No,
he neither leads the league in crunch time

814
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:30,000
points scored, nor does he need
points per crunch time appearance if it helps.

815
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,400
If it helps, he is number
two in both categories. So it's

816
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,400
not that I feel I feel better
about that, though, that is a

817
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,480
lie, so obviously Kyle Kuzma,
right, No, it's not the Rosen

818
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:46,519
was second in total crunch time points
he is six and crunch time points per

819
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:53,159
crunch time appearance number one in both
categories. Though. Is Joel embiid all

820
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:58,000
right? There's an MVP case there
for him or something. Yokich is fifth,

821
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:00,199
by the way, in crunch time
points per appearance and fourth in total

822
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,519
crunch time points. John Moran is
in the top three of both of these

823
00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:07,480
categories as well. In case you
care, the final way to look the

824
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,159
final way to look at it,
and I feel like I kind of already

825
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:15,599
gave this one away, but it's
not. It's not. Chris paul I

826
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:19,719
sorted it by players who have appeared
in at least fifteen crunch time games or

827
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,440
games that entered crunch time. So
fifteen crunch time appearance is a usage rate

828
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:27,960
of at least at least twenty five
in those situations, and then sorted it

829
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,039
by true shooting percentage. I want
to see how many you can get off

830
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:34,880
the top five. You better kill
this one. But I'm gonna tell you

831
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,440
right now, I'm not gonna get
I'm not gonna get any at this point.

832
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:40,559
So okay, I feel like I've
I've thrown enough of bad guesses out

833
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:46,360
there already. So Devin Booker is
one, Chris Paul is two, Zach

834
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:51,079
Kilvine Johnson, No, he's not
on there, sorry, Zach Kilvine is

835
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:54,960
three, Kyle Lowry is four,
and demarda Rozen is five. I felt

836
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,760
like you would have gotten three are
sticking together? Do you want to know

837
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,280
who's six? By the way,
and I will be insufferable about this,

838
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:15,480
Neil Kea, Nili Keena Gazing.
Let's say that RJ alright looks really good

839
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:20,119
lately, by the way, really
really good. Him attacking the basket and

840
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:23,400
getting the usage that he is so
much better. It's huge. Final question.

841
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:28,559
Scottie Barnes for Rookie of the Year
that comes from s I wanted.

842
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:35,000
The one thing I want to note
is that he now leads rookies in wind

843
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,440
shares this season, and also wind
shares for fort Wall among rookies that have

844
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,239
actually played a bunch of minutes,
I should say, but he leads all

845
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,039
rookies in total wind shares, he
leads, He's tied for the lead with

846
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:50,360
Mobile and value over replacement player and
he is. They're both high up there

847
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:55,880
in box plus minus they're they're again
tied. I think where I'm at with

848
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,760
this Rookie of the Year race is
that I have no idea because they're all

849
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,840
so good in such different ways too. By the way, I still think

850
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:13,920
it's a two man race between Mobilian
Barnes. I genuinely do not know which

851
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,039
I have leading the race, because
I feel like it changes on a weekly

852
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:22,840
basis. They've both been so ridiculously
impressive, and the second half surge that

853
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:28,159
Barnes is showing off right now is
ridiculous. I personally view Rookie of the

854
00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:32,840
Year as a look at the total
impact that was made throughout a player's first

855
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,280
season, rather than the level that
they reached by the end of the first

856
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:42,880
season or else Kaide Cunningham might have
a legitimate case win. While we've been

857
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:47,039
recording this, I'll be in a
close loss to the Clippers twenty three,

858
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:52,400
nine and ten, another ridiculous performance, because all of a sudden, it

859
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:57,239
feels like he might be jumping over
Mobilian, like maybe he's going to be

860
00:59:57,239 --> 01:00:01,199
the best player from this class long
term. So I think, like,

861
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:07,079
if you made me pick right now, I would go Barnes one, Mobley

862
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:13,400
two, Cunningham three, because Barnes
has been so consistent throughout the year and

863
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:21,719
has like ascended these last few weeks. But Mobley's defense has been abjectively ridiculous

864
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:27,280
all year, granted while playing on
a team that needs him to do a

865
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,280
little bit more on that end.
It's it's so difficult to parse out because

866
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:35,719
I don't want to put down either
of these incredible first year players, and

867
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,559
like you're inherently doing that by not
having both of them at number one.

868
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,079
So the fact that you didn't mention
franz Wagner just proves that you'll watch fucking

869
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:50,079
basketball right absolutely. I will say
the argument for Kade over franz Wagner is

870
01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:52,239
I know that Kate is like was
not as good during the beginning of the

871
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,199
year, he was also injured.
He is more central to what Detroit is

872
01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:59,880
doing, and so like his peak
this season, it's okay to say that

873
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,760
he's been more valuable working than Franz
Wagner spreading with the way the Pistons have

874
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,119
been playing by the way over the
past, like right before the All Star

875
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:10,320
Breaker. So if you want to
put Wagner above him, but it's not

876
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:17,000
what Adams. But I just you
caught shit on Twitter the other day because

877
01:01:17,159 --> 01:01:20,760
first of all, people don't know
who Herb joneses and don't watch Herb Jones.

878
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,159
That's on that's on them, that
fucking whatever, that dumb ass his

879
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:27,880
name ass hats name was, I
can't even remember, so, but I

880
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:30,920
was just trolling you there. So
I have Evan Mobley's of right now because

881
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,679
I do feel like he's the fulcrum
of the defense. I know Jared Allen

882
01:01:35,719 --> 01:01:38,360
does a lot, but they asked
him to do so much, and everything

883
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:45,360
Barnes does feels in an ancillary role. And that's why I would probably if

884
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,159
I'm splitting hairs, I have Mobili
ahead of him. That being said,

885
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,719
we were at the point where I
think I would have just kept saying,

886
01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:55,280
Mobili, We're at the point where
this is going to be a discussion by

887
01:01:55,320 --> 01:02:00,960
the end of this it was a
rookie based purely on post All Star Break

888
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:07,119
performance, and Cunningham might have the
spot over everyone, right, and it's

889
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:09,000
not it's rookie of the Year.
He's not. He's not. If people

890
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,840
don't have him in their top three, I'll totally understand. But he is

891
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,239
by the way to me, he's
clearly going to be the best player in

892
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,159
this draft class. Like that,
I know Evan Mobley is going to be

893
01:02:17,199 --> 01:02:22,239
a transcendent like guy I've I've been
I've said that I think Mobley has best

894
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:28,079
player in the league potential, and
I'm still like Kaid might be might be

895
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:30,000
the best, better than the best
player in the league potential. I don't

896
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:37,079
know how he is incredible. He
is just able to the game is on

897
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:40,239
a street. I also like,
I might I might put Scotty Barnes in

898
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,079
that like, could be the best
player in the league conversation. At this

899
01:02:44,119 --> 01:02:46,000
point, I don't know if I've
seen enough from him as I would view

900
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:51,480
someone like needs to be like the
primary playmaker to be that. Maybe I'm

901
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,800
i don't know just because he's so
I mean again, like leading the Ball

902
01:02:54,840 --> 01:03:00,239
Index's defensive Versatility metric as a rookie
and also be in the positive defender while

903
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:06,960
doing that. What if he is
a defensive Player of the Year candidate scoring

904
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:12,400
twenty points per game in a secondary
role with playmaking chops. I thought he

905
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,760
definitely has secondary playmaking chops. It's
just because Kaden Mobley I feel like,

906
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:20,440
look like they could be folcrams of
the offense. I'm not gonna put a

907
01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:22,760
cap on Barnes's potential, though.
This was a fun mail bag. Was

908
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,800
definitely not under an hour, but
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909
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,760
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01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:34,000
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