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UFO Headquarters. Beautiful headquarters, and welcome to the UFO Headquarters here on Hudson
River Radio. You're one stop shopping for all things UFOs. I am Michael
Warden and of course Linda Zimmerman, who's always enjoys my on the fly intros.
Don't you never know what to expect? Yeah, I don't. I
don't either, I just pick them up. I enjoy one stop shopping for
UFO. Thank you. Yes, and it's I was gonna say it's an
appropriate the day today that we're recording. It's rather cold and we're gonna be
at the chillier portions of the earth I think today in our podcast. Yes,
we're going to the extreme frozen wastelends of the North and South Pole and
a little south of that. But before that, you know how we love
getting mail from listeners and got a particularly good one. Our last episode was
dust Bin of Ufology at least by Brian. Thank you, and someone wrote
to say they've been enjoying the show for a while and how much she resonated
with the dust Bin episode because she had a sighting. I'll mention, I'll
go talk about the sighting in a second in the late nineteen sixties, and
that after that she couldn't get enough. She mentioned flying saucers are real.
Donald Keho the UFO experienced. J Allen Hyatt heinek flying saucers serious business.
Frank Edwards still have my copy from when I was a kid and so on.
So it was good that, you know, people were connecting to that.
But here's her sighting July sixty seven or sixty eight, a Sunday evening.
I was about thirteen years old at the time. I went to fill
the bathtub and close the window shade. This was about six thirty or seven
in the evening and it was still daylight outside. As I looked out the
window, my attention was drawn to a metallic looking oval object in the distance,
moving very slowly from my left field of view toward the right. From
my location on Maple Avenue in matuchein New Jersey, I could see this object
was gliding slowly above the train tracks, power line and tree lines that run
parallel to what was then the Pearl Street parking lot and now High Right condos.
I loved the detail in this Uh yes, you know, you know
exactly where it was, exactly what was happening. I called for my mother
downstairs to come and look. At the same time, another identical object appeared
on the right, moving slowly left toward the other object. They both slowly
came to a stop in front of one another, then simultaneously shot straight up
at such a speed that only streaks of light were visible, similar to the
hyperspace effect we see on you know that was on Star Trek. Both oval,
metallic looking objects had no other features that I could see, and I
had a clear view. Unfortunately, her mother didn't get there in times to
see what I was shouting about. You can just picture this girl screen,
you know, Ma, Ma, yeah, absolutely. But again, these
objects moving, stopping and then shooting straight up not typical aircraft. She said.
She was a attended Franklin Junior High School in Matucheon at the time,
and I guess the following fall, her homeroom teacher had put a photo of
that craft that he had taken in August, so she saw it in July.
He saw it in August, took a picture and posted it on the
bulletin board. She said. Years later, she tried to get in contact
with him to get a copy of the photo, but didn't get a reply.
And then she said there was another incident when her parents' next door neighbor,
a retired policeman, how often do we hear that with cop sightings,
called them to come outside to look at an object above Campbell's School, which
was the next street over from our house. So they came out and she
said there was a round object moved back and forth in a sort of zigzag
motion and took off. And this happened around the same time, so definitely
worth looking into Matuchin area sightings in the late sixties, there might have been
a little wave. And she finishes off this letter with a great short little
more recent sighting. Just a few years ago, she and her husband were
at the Rutgers Agricultural Gardens in East Brunswick, New Jersey, strolling around the
main garden along with other people, when we took a moment to sit on
one of the park benches. The sky was beautiful as we gazed up at
a flock of passing birds. The birds suddenly darted in every direction as in
a panic. Then we saw a black triangle very slowly gliding along as if
following root one south. The triangle was either very small or very high up.
We watched it for a long time until it was out of sight.
The other people in the garden looked at us and each other as if to
say, what was that. So you know how I love animal reactions?
Yes, you do. So even if this was small or up high,
it still affected the birds at whatever distance, And I thought this was nice.
At the end, she said, well, it was nice to share
some of these experiences with people who won't think I'm wearing a tinfoil hat.
Well, you know, we know she's not wearing a tinfoil hat because it's
made out of aluminum. There you go. Did you see her follow up
message that was at the end of the thread. Yes, yeah, you
wanted got me to read that. That one was like okay, So she
wrote back, and I was amazed at this one. One last small item
from my mother, who has since passed. She and her relatives lived in
the high lands of North Carolina. Most of the people. Most of those
people had farm animals like cows and sheep that had to be brought in at
night. She once told me about a neighbor who went up on a meadow
to bring in the sheep when a strange little man walked out of the bushes,
saying something unintelligible. The small man repeatedly tried to touch this neighbor with
a little stick or wand like object. The neighbor ran home terribly frightened,
leaving the sheep, and was accused of being drunk or lazy for making up
such a story. I love the ending of that one too, Yeah,
yeah, yeah, so yeah, so these stories are still there, and
we really appreciate people taking the time to tell us these accounts. That's that's
how we do what we do when people tell us of their accounts. But
yeah, so, matuchein not too far from the Hudson Valley and just great
detailed accounts. So let's take our first break and then go into the deep
freeze. Hudson River Radio dot Com Hudson River Radio dot Com subsidiary of Glacier
Entertainment LLC, blasting the competition in New York's Hudson Valley. Well, Linda,
we're going to go from the Hudson Valley, where it's a little cold
today, to the extremes of the Arctics where it's probably very cold, and
I normally like cold weather, but I think snow burn is in my future.
I don't know. Oh you are kidding. I need I need this
audio burned onto a gold record because you always love the cold. I won't
pinky swear on it yet, but it's it's getting a bit much for me
here. Wow. Wow, this is this is This is probably one of
the most startling statements ever on UFO headquarters. So I mean, I'm already
there. I'm already checked out mentally and on my way to Florida for the
winter. But yes, let's there are some hardy souls out there who go
to the Arctic and the Antarctic. And there was a Reuters an AP news
service article dated July eighth, nineteen sixty five. Scientists at the Argentinian,
British and Chilean Antarctic bases had reports an unusual celestial body hovering on the horizon
and sending geomagnetic instruments wild. That's quite a statement, Okay. These are
scientists at these spaces from three different countries. The object zigzagged, changed color,
made no sound, hovered and was in view for up to twenty minutes.
So I did a little digging and found some references a little more not
a lot on this interestingly, but the Secretary of the Argentine Navy made the
following statement, which was in the newspapers. The Navy garrison in the Argentine
Antarctica aka Deception Island observed on July third, at nineteen forty hours local time,
a giant lens shaped flying object. Solid in appearance, color mostly red
and green, changing occasionally with yellow, blue, white, and orange shades.
The object was moving on a zigzagging trajectory toward the east, but several
times it changed course to the west and north, with varied speeds and no
sound. It passed at an elevation of forty five degrees over the horizon,
distance estimated to be ten to fifteen kilometers from the base. During the maneuvers
performed by the object, witnesses were able to register its tremendous speeds and also
the fact that it hovered motionless for fifteen minutes at an estimated altitude of about
five thousand meters about three miles. The meteorological conditions for the area of the
sighting can be considered to be very good at this time of year, clear
sky, some strato cumulus moon in the last quarter and perfect visibility. The
object was witnessed by the meteorologist together with thirteen members of the garrison and three
Chilean sub officers visiting at the time. The observation lasted for twenty minutes and
photographs of the object were taken. On the afternoon of the same day,
the same object was observed at the Argentine base on South Orkney Island, moving
away toward the northwest, elevation thirty degrees over the horizon, distance estimated at
about ten to fifteen kilometers. The Chilean base also observed the object referred to
a above the afternoon that same day. That's quite a statement. And the
level of detail, the elevation, the you know, the the angle,
the speeds, this is this is a lot to unpack here detail wise.
Yeah, the the shape that was described was interesting too. The lens,
Like, did I hear that? Yeah, I assume that's like a disc.
You know, I'm imagining maybe it's a cop a lens out of binoculars
or something, and it's yeah, double convex, right, That's that's what
I was kind of picturing in my mind. But you know, right,
like a contact lens. And I'm also picturing is it is it a single?
But don't often hear that used to describe these crafts? No, No,
and and there's I have several other passages here, and I think this
is important because these are important officers and scientists making these opposites. It's not
a bunch of soldiers saw lights zip through. I mean, we have very
detailed information here and it was twenty long minutes. This wasn't wow, did
you see that? It's so and they have photos, so there are photos
somewhere. So the Navy Garrison at South Orkney calls attention to the fact of
extreme importance. During the passage of the strange object over that base, two
variometers, working in perfect condition, registered disturbances in the magnetic field that were
recorded on their tapes. So this wasn't a distant star or the planet Venus.
They they missed articles swamp gas that they misinterpreted because they had these variometers.
I had not heard that term. Some sort of magnetic sensing instruments and
big disturbances that were recorded. So they have the data, they have the
tapes to show what was going on. And then we have a very interesting
witness or spokesman, which I'll get to at the end of this segment here.
On the same day, July seventh, nineteen sixty five, the Ministry
of Defense in Santiago, Chile released the contents of their sightings to the press.
The first observation occurred on June eighteenth, and was reported by Commander Mario
Jan Barrera. You might want to hold that in you. Does that ring?
Yeah? Yeah, no, it didn't with me, but it quickly
did when I said, hmm, I should look him up. But we'll
get to that little twist at the end. I have to report today that
at four pm local time was sighted from the space an aerial object luminous intensity
of the first magnitude star, appearing east of the island at sixty degrees elevation,
changing direction to the left in a one hundred and eighty degree turn that's
very interesting to the west, then turning ninety degrees to the right, moving
away to the south following an irregular trajectory at four twenty pm. So already
we have twenty minutes of sightings of an object making ninety and one hundred and
eighty degree rapid terms. And again skies were clear, and there are many
other It goes on and on the Chilean rapport, the Argentine reports going on
and on and wait till I get to Commander Burrera. But so then later
on Barrea gave an a radio interview and he said what we cited was something
real. A solid object which was moving at incredible speeds, performed maneuvers,
emitted a greenish light and caused interference in the electromagnetic instruments of the Argentine base.
Situated close to hours, its red yellow color changed to green and orange.
It was flying at a short distance from the base at an elevation of
forty five degrees, over the north of the island, moving in a zigzag
course. It hovered in mid air after performing one of the maneuvers, remaining
motionless for twenty minutes and then moving away at high speed. We observed this
object through high powered binoculars. I don't believe it could be an airship of
terrestrial manufacture. Okay, so this is a high ranking officer stating this because
he was in the air force. As an officer in the Chilean Air Force,
my knowledge about man made machines gives me absolute conviction that nothing similar exists
on Earth in shape, velocity, and mobility in space. We have ten
color photographs which will be developed in Santiago. As soon as we sighted the
object. We tried to contact by radio the Argentine and English bases, but
such contact was impossible because there was a very strong intence on the radio on
all channels. With the radio useless and under intense emotion. We continue to
observe this thing in space on a clear night without wins. This is one
of the best statements, probably one of the best reports I've ever I've ever
heard, the detail and the credibility of the witness, just by virtue of
his status and explaining you know the I love that part. You know,
he's pretty confident this is not a terrestrial object, absolute conviction, and I
love this. They're trying so as he said, under intense emotion. Aka,
they're all freaking out. Yes, that was the professional way of putting
it. Yes, they're trying to contact the British and the Argentine. Are
you seeing this? All communication is being interfered with, so all the radio
channels are out, there's strong magnetic you know, interference. So this was
just remarkable and I thought Wow, this guy. He went on to be
the head of the Air and Space Museum and they have a statue to him.
But there's a darker side of Mario jan Barrera. He went on to
be the head of the DINA under the brutal dictator Augusto Pinochet seventy three to
ninety. The DINA was the secret police. Basically, they called it Pinochet's
Gestapo, and under his watch, thousands and thousands of people were tortured,
murdered and disappeared. So I think this is the first time we've had a
UFO statement from and essentially a war criminal. So just a little twist.
Neither known of this happened after his sighting, but clearly this was a man
you did not argue with. Uh. Yeah, And I don't see I
don't see someone like him, if indeed he you know, this is what
he really a war criminal. Him being subject to hallucinations or making things up,
you know, it doesn't sound like it would be within a character of
a kind of oh, kind of bad person like that. I guess no
other way. And it didn't help his reputation to say I'm I'm seeing a
little you know, flying saucers around there. Of course this was led,
but you know there was something about that name that I say, I need
to I need to check this guy out. And I was like, uh
oh, but yeah. So even after being the head of the uh the
the Chilean Gestapo, he became head of the Air and Space Museum, and
now there's a statue to him there and people don't think that's appropriate, and
they're probably right. I think so, but I know that's not our topic.
I guess no, it isn't. It isn't, but just ye,
you never know who's going to see a UFO. So I had never seen
that brought up anywhere, any hint of where the of the pictures ever having
been leaked or produced. I kept chasing these that, oh these pictures were
shown, here are this and I can't. I have not been able to
track them down. I'm sure they're out there. Somebody probably has seen them.
But you know, they may be little blobs of green and red color.
But I still like to see those little little blobs. But let's jump
to the North Pole if we can. Let's go to the Canadian Arctic.
Is this just really quickly? Are we going to involve Santa Claus in this
at all. We're in the North Pole. It could be sightings of Santa
Claus. That is a possibility. Sure, yeah, yeah. So are
you familiar with the Canadian territory of none of ut No, it became it
just became a territory in nineteen ninety nine. Basically that whole area like when
hell freeze is over, that's what it's going to look like. It is
barren arctic tundra and where they drop little villages and cities. But yeah,
it's uh, it's cold, it's very cold, but they do it.
There's the largest city and it's about seven thousand people, a caloit. They
do have a Tim Hortons. Are you familiar with Tim Horton's. I am
familiar, Yes, great coffee and donuts. I think it's a Canadian law
that if you're trying to establish a town, you don't need people, but
you must have a Tim Horton's that they will come, right, It's right,
the Tim Hortons and the people will follow, that's right. So we're
going back to November twenty fourth, twenty eighteen, not all that long ago.
Pilots flying on Nola Noor aviation Boeing seven thirty seven from a calowit to
Mary River Mine. I believe those are iron mines. They reported their sighting
to NORAAD, which is the North American Air Defense and also the Canadian version.
I couldn't find a lot about the the sighting, but at eight thirty
pm they saw shining light I mean to red to white that apparently zipped by.
Uh. The the VP Mario Prude home Marco Prude home of Nolan Or
downplayed the whole thing and his brilliant statements that what they had seen could have
been a weather balloon, a meteor, or a rocket, but probably something
natural. Uh okay, that's a great answer. It could have been.
Yeah, yeah, well I'll just throw every possibility out there so that that's
right, right. So yeah, I don't know that trained pilots flying this
route all the time would have reported to NOORAD that, you know, a
meteor or you would hope they were able to rule all that out before they
their careers on the line to report this. So I started looking into a
callow it and there's quite a lot of sightings. Now remember starlink didn't really
start until twenty nineteen, so these are pre starlink sighting September sixteenth, twenty
sixteen. A hiker was looking at the Northern lights. I bet the Northern
lights are amazing. There not far from the Arctic Circle. When a bunch
of starl like lights moving in sequence caught my attention. Then I saw an
airplane flying and when it flew toward the lights, it went out of sight
until it reached the other side of the lights. How does that happen?
Did it go behind a mass? He's seeing the lights and it was a
huge jobjeck, and he flew behind it. That's very unsettling. Suddenly he
saw some bright flashes, and there was several flashes, and I got a
little nervous, so I went to call a cab and my phone started acting
up. So here again UFO electrical electromagnetic interference. Finally the phone started working
again and he took off for home. Now July of twenty eleven, you
can look this up a Calowit is spelled iqaliut. He videoed a daytime sighting.
You can hear him. There are like sixty witnesses like, what the
hell is this? There was a blue light rotating around another stationary blue light.
He ran and got his camcorder. By the time he came out,
it was my higher in the sky, but he did. You know,
you're basically seeing a spot of light, but still you're you know, they
got something on video. Another little community July of two thousand and four,
Davity Cow Charlie of Oh, I'm going to butcher this, thank gluage.
I don't know, saw object hovering and several objects flying and hovering. More
lights were noticed underneath the hovering white lights. So again like that blue light,
there's a central larger object and smaller ones or seemed to be flying around
or in and out of it. They seemed to be retrieving something from the
area, and there were more lights coming out of the big hovering lights.
The speed of the objects coming out of the bright light was too fast for
this world. So there's some weird stuff going on in none of it.
There's now I know people are probably saying it's the underwater alien base or the
hollow Earth. We don't know. So I'm not going to try to explain
something unknown by something else unknown, right, exactly right, as much as
people want to do that. So then there were things in the water as
well, the fury and Heckless straits around Baffin Island. Cruise and ships were
hearing sounds resonating through the hull, so there's some sort of underwater sounds.
November of twenty sixteen, strange noises, pinging, beeping, humming, kind
of sounds like some sort of submarine activity. But the Canadian Air Force actually
scrambled yets. And another thing some somebody mentioned there was a troubling drop in
the number of migrating animals in the in the region, So that's an interesting
animal reaction. Yeah, they're not there where they killed. Were they just
avoiding whatever this activity was And suddenly Canada stopped investigating. Kind of leads me
to believe it was something military, but I don't. I don't know.
And then one last thing I want to talk about before we take our second
break, and you you pick up on more sightings. Now, skeptics say
this is a hoax and a made up story. Other people swear it's documented.
So I'm not saying that this is the absolute truth. You know,
we only go by what we can find written about it. And we're going
back to nineteen thirty to the Inuit village of Anna and Jakuni, Okay,
a fur trapper, Joe LaBelle, goes into this little village. There should
be at least twenty people there. Nobody's there. Nobody. The fires are
still burning, food is still cooking and burned. Everyone's gone, but all
their possessions are still in the homes, and there's no tracks or trails of
where they could have gone. There was even if they made this up.
They made up some great features. There was a child's seal skin coat with
the needle and threads still stuck in it mid stitch, as if someone was
repairing the coat and just suddenly took off. They left all their food,
their guns, everything. So LaBelle didn't want to stay here, you can,
you know, little nervous, what the hell? So he actually got
frostbite and was exhausted hiking to the nearest telegraph to telegraph the Royal Canadian Mounted
Police. They interviewed LaBelle. They headed or out to the lake, and
they stopped to rest at the home of another trapper, Armand Laurent, who
told the RCMP that a couple of days earlier, he and his sons saw
strange lights and a shining object that raced over his property. The object changed
shape from a cylinder to a bullet shape and headed towards a Jacuni lake.
Okay, that's very interesting again if true, And this just sounds too creepy
for words, but it's part of the story. The RCMP gets there,
finds no one also finds the village graveyard that the graves had been opened and
the bodies were removed, and all the headstones were piled into two piles.
So all the living and all the dead of this village were gone. So
people were saying it was a hoax. And this Betty Hill, you know,
if Betty and Barney Hill heard about this, she says it was a
mass alien abduction. I don't know if she was speculating or what, but
I mean, hey, your guess is as good mind as mine. Later,
when the RCMP was asked about this, they denied ever investigating it,
and then somebody produced some investigation document. Oh yeah, actually we did,
and we figured out they all just migrated without their food, clothing, weapons,
possessions, brought their dead bodies with them, suddenly dug them all up,
took the This is just that, this is something you know, nightmares
are made of. So true hoax? I don't know, but there's certainly
enough going on in Nunavut that I think you, me and Brian if your
game, we start a go fund me page for airfare, hotel and Tim
Horton's gift cards. Okay, let's go. I would go up there,
get a cup of coffee, sit around, watch watch for UFOs. So
maybe when the ice melts, which I believe is for like a day and
a half in August. But yeah, wreaky stuff going out at the North
and South Pole where objects are just doing inexplicable maneuvers for decades. So why
don't we take our second break and we can warm up, and then we'll
get back to Mike's exciting conclusion. This is Hudson River Radio dot com,
your local Rockland County station. This is Hudson River Radio dot Com. Okay,
we are back after that break, and what you couldn't hear is,
Brian, we're gonna be taking an air street up to the tundra to look
for UFOs. I don't know how we're gonna get it there, but let's
do it. Yeah, there's no roads, but we can put it on
a ship and for the day and a half that the harbor is ice free.
We can roll the airstream. They make big sleds. Can we put
thigs sleds on it? You know, well, we are going to keep
with our Arctic theme to some extent, and we are going to go to
probably my favorite part of the world, as Linda knows all too well,
this is Scandinavia, in particular Finland. Hello to of our Finnish fans teteva,
email me, write me if you want us to come investigate host us
for a UFO investigation you have please anybody what we do like to hear from
everybody around the world, So please if you are in Scandinavia. A lot
of the stuff that you find is in obviously it's in Finnish or Swedish Norwegian,
so Google Translate isn't necessarily accurate enough to really get good reports. So
a lot of the information that I was reading was it wasn't so great for
that reason. But we do have a lot of interesting things. The first
thing I know we've touched on this in the past is the Buddhist yarvy UFO
flap in the nineteen sixties. It's poudhis yardvy. I'd like that pronunciation very
well, though much better than I would have done. And excuse me.
This is located as a municipality. It's about four hundred and thirty miles north
of Helsinki, and it's just about ninety five miles south of the Arctic Circle.
So it's up there. It's we're much higher, you know, northern
latitude. And it's an interesting because if you go online and look this up,
there's a book which a photographer did. Her name is Maria locke Lax,
and she based it upon. She did a book of photograph she's a
photographer and she based her photographs on a book that her grandfather had written that
she discovered when she went to visit her parents. And this book was written
by it I believe it's soyny Locks. It's Si n I and it's called
pud jarnovin Ufot. And I could not find an English version of that book,
and I don't think you can get the finished one seemed to be out
of print. If I can get one, I could pretend to read it.
I guess maybe I could probably pick out two or three words of page.
But so she found this book about how her town where she grew up
had this UFO flap in the nineteen sixties and kind of like something you would
do or I would do. She just went and knocked on people's doors and
asked, hey, were you there, And sure enough people started to talk
about it, and she started collecting these stories and taking pictures based upon them.
But I'm going to go to some of her words here. Over the
few years I worked on this project, I interviewed several people in the town
and all their accounts were remarkably similar. Colorful lights would follow cars or people
walking home alone. The lights would be silent, pulsating in different colors before
disappearing into the sky. Sometimes bright lights would wake people up in their homes
in the middle of the night and would again vanish without a trace. The
first UFO sightings in the area were made as early as the nineteen twenties,
but because they were, and it's interesting, it seems to be a cultural
throughout the world. It's very similar. Because of fears they would be labeled
as crazy by others, they kept what they saw a secret and wouldn't talk
about it till much much later. So how many more people saw things and
never reported it and took it to their graves? Yeah, one of the
people I interviewed, meaning this is the photographer Maria lo Ox told me.
I remember waking up one night and the room being awash with the most beautiful
colors. I knew it was the aliens, but I wasn't afraid. I
knew they didn't wish me any harm. Although some locals I spoke to were
still visibly scared and cautious of sharing what they had experienced decades ago, others
said the strange lights were a thing that gave them hope, a sign they
hadn't been forgotten. Wow. An interesting sort of statement there, But we've
seen that with our own encounters, even in the Hudson Valley. How many
people report they find it a tremendously positive experience, whereas others have the complete
opposite. You know that it's terrifying, it's scary, and you know,
two people experiencing probably very similar encounters with two very diametrically opposed reactions, And
yeah, I think that's interesting that we hadn't been forgotten. Yes, wow,
yeah, I I would like to find a little bit more about that.
Again, if I can track down a copy of the book, I
can. I do have friends at Helsinki. It's a good reason to go
and have them read the book to me, and there you go. And
that makes it a business trip exactly. Tax deduction, no tax fraud here,
I promise. But they are listening, aren't they always? Now we're
going to go to western Finland and the Gulf of Bothnia in a town called
Pori. Pori, and the Finnish Air Force had a UFO sighting in nineteen
sixty nine April twelfth, nineteen sixty nine during military training exercises, and it's
the only encounter that is acknowledged as having been reported by the actual air force
itself, so they do acknowledge it. Now they reckon They suggest that it
was probably a foreign reconnaissance aircraft. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.
But during the flight at Poori Airport April twelfth, nineteen sixty nine, a
Finish Defense Forces flight controller told a pilot in training, a man named Totamo
Tukeva, to investigate seven air balloons that were floating out approximately fifteen to three
thousand meters above the airport and balloon that's just I guess. The blip on
the radar is what I'm suspecting. They went by air balloons or maybe that's
what they refer to as a target when they have him on the on the
radar. Tukeva reported that the objects were ball or disc shaped, but could
not determine his distance to them. According to the pilot, the objects accelerated
from him away from him at great speed. Undetermined radar images were also later
reported two hundred kilometers away in Vasa. A second pilot and training Yoko Kurnin,
says he heard the radio community communications between flight control and Tukova as well
as observed the objects. According to the Fish Armed Forces magazine Ratavaki, the
April twelfth reports were similar to other cases over bodies of water during ongoing military
training exercises, and of course may have been due to transnational spyplanes or aircraft.
So okay, well, yeah, I mean you have to say that,
but yes, and they thought they were unusual. Yes, And I'll
note, you know, Vasa Pori they're on the western side of Finland,
so they're not on the eastern border where they would have the border with Russia,
where you might expect to encounter more of that type of spy planes.
Although I don't know what kind of operations they were operating back then. The
Russians and so. But it's interesting that they actually had this report. I
found a very cool encounter from Sweden, from a place called ongole Holme.
I think I'm pronouncing that right. I probably am not. It's actually in
the southwest of Suite of Sweden. It's closer to Copenhagen than it is Stockholm.
That's how far down on the bottom of Sweden we are. And the
man who had these sightings is a man named GHOSTA Carlson, and he made
a fortune with bee pollen extracts. So he founded a company that extracted bee
pollen and he made quite a great career from it. Well. In the
nineteen seventies he came forward with a report and said that in May of nineteen
forty six, he was walking from the beach through a forest which had been
planted in the soil to protect the coastlines. We had been on the beach,
He's walking back in land when he noticed a light at the edge of
a clearing. He approached what, from a distance seemed to be a crew
setting up a carousel. Upon entering the site, he reported seeing a disk
sitting on a keel like thin and a pair of retractable legs. Carlson claimed
to have interacted with the crew, one of whom used a device resembling a
chest mounted bellows camera to keep him away. He described the human looking crew
as wearing tight fitting white flight suits with dark boots, belts, hoods,
and earplugs. After witnessing the craft leave, Carlson returned to the clearing to
gather what he believed were discarded artifacts, including a quartz rod. He measured
gouges in the ground that he attributed to the craft, and created sketches that
would later be used to form a UFO memorial at the site. Wow,
I never heard of this mean either, and there is an actual memorial at
the site. You can go there. So he claimed that later in the
year he would have a lot of these strange dreams and the UFO pilot would
communicate ideas to him. He would later tell somebody the driver speaks to me.
I don't know if it's words or thoughts I perceived, but he claims
that these dreams are what spurred him to experiment with pollen as a natural remedy
and start his company. So he attributes his success to a UFOE encounter.
Oh, so he wasn't the bee pollen magnate still afterwards, So after this
encounter, he says, so he never discusses this before nineteen seventy one,
nineteen seventy when he comes forward, he's already established, you know, he's
a you know, well to do. He says that the circular well,
the circular impressions with about fifty feet in diameter, one foot wide and less
than one inch deep. He never found any marks left by a keel or
retractable legs. He claims that he sent the discarded quartz rod to the metaogical
department at Stockholm University without disclosing the provenance of the courts, and that it
came back to be completely mundane. I'm guessing that just means it was from
Earth. I guess. A year later, Carlson erected a monument in the
clearing with the landowner. So there is a there is a monument there.
A Swedish euithologist wrote a book in nineteen ninety five with carl about the end
incident, called the Meeting and the Clearing. That's the English translation. The
author of this book, the co author class Vaughan. Oh, yes,
he's a great guy. Yeah, he came away a little bit. This
disbelieving the encounter but believing Carlson's conviction. Okay, well that's fair. It's
a hard yeah, tough pill to swallow, but he believes it. The
witness believes something happened. Yes, so you know, Carlson maintained that the
events occurred, and that he he said, they might sound like dreams to
others, but that he did they did happen. So again, you take
it for what it's worth. Yes, Klaus Swan is a fabulous investigator and
he has one of the largest He and some others have established one of the
largest UFO libraries in the world. I sent him a couple of my books
an honor to be part of that. You know. Hey, they go
to different countries and pack up cases of these you know, books and get
them shipped. So yeah, he's doing really good work. And I know
he is. I just saw his Facebook post today. He just landed in
the US. He's doing a some sort of UFO documentary, which I hope
will be in a language we can understand. I'm not sure, but yeah,
yeah, I'll have to read that book of and what was in the
what was that the title of that? The title in English is the meeting
and the clearing meeting in the clearing, Okay, I'll have to see if
it's available in English. Well, well, you know, if you come
to Helsinki with us, we can start in Helsinki, take the ferry over
to starf and then we can go visit his library. I'm sure that.
Oh, I'd love to. That would be quite an experience. I would
love to. I'd be like a kid in a candy store. And then
we could do an episode from Scandinavia. We could do all right, We
have all sorts of tax right offs going here. Now. I did find
another interesting one from this is from although northern Germany. It's on the Baltic
Sea next near Denmark, basically very close to Denmark cold enough, yes,
And it's from April of sixteen sixty five. And it's called the air Battle
of Strausund. I've never heard of this one, but it was April of
sixteen sixty five. Six fishermen witnessed an unexplained celestial phenomenon, an aerial battle,
and the skies above the Baltic Sea near Strausund. As evening broke,
a dark gray disc appeared high above the city center. So they report this
battle. There is that much more really talked about it. But they report
seeing some kind of an unexplained aerial phenomenon over the Baltic Sea in sixteen Wow,
that's like our episode we did on all of those sightings from the sixteen
hundreds. Cool. Excellent. A couple more short ones. This one is
actually from the CIA Ailes and it's reported UFO activity in June and July of
nineteen fifty four, and it's uf unidentified objects photographed in Finland during and after
eclipse. And it's taken from the Helsingen Sono matt which is a newspaper,
and it reports several photographs of an unidentified object in the sky. We're taken
in Helsinki during the eclipse on June thirtieth, nineteen fifty four. According to
Informed Circles, a round object which appears on the photographs is not the moon
or a cloud. One photograph differs from the others in that the upper edge
of the object is illuminated, as if the sun were shining on that hard
surface. The center of the object appears as a dark blotch. So,
and there's a couple other report from the next day July twelfth of fifty four,
strange object was photographed in the sky and marian Ahima, sorry, marian
Hymena. That's the capital of the Ulland islands, Marianheim oh klue finish.
It's like an independent series of islands that are part of Finland, but they're
independent, I guess, like a territory. This occurred immediately after the sun
was in full view. Following the eclipse, the cigar shaped object appeared on
several pictures taken consecutively. Then there was another later sighting on by fourteenth of
fifty four, an unidentified oblong object with cytogen ukila flying southwest in the direction
of I'm not even gonna tempt that one. The object, which was flying
very high, appeared gray from the rear and very bright from the side.
The object was in view for several minutes and was flying with the speed of
an ordinary plane. Now those are from Finland. Now there was a sighting
in Norway during that eclipse as well, so now we're having a correlation.
Color motion pictures of unidentified flying objects were obtained by photographer Johnny Bjornolf during the
recent total eclipse of the Sun. The pictures, which are obtained from an
airplane lying at an altitude of forty five hundred meters, showed two shining discs
with condensation trails moving at great speed in the direction opposite of that to the
plane. So I was unable to find anything in a quick search. But
I mean there's color motion pictures of this, yeah, footage out there and
other photographs. Were you able to find any of the I found some which
which might have been but it was hard to Again, some of it's in
finish, and I'm like, I think I know what that means, and
it basically means I don't know what it means. No, you don't know
what it means. Well, and well, if any of our Finnish listeners
out there have access, we would love to see this, yes, definitely.
Now we go to Austria for the same time period. Who a contractor
in how Halloween Austria reported that to the police that he and two other men
cited a strange object in the sky over a ten in mountain shortly after midnight
in June seventh, nineteen fifty four, or not long before the eclipse a
couple of weeks. The object was glowing red and appeared to have a diagonal
streak across it. It seemed to be about three times as large as venus
and moved spasmodically in a vertical and then horizontal direction, and the object was
in view for about two hours. Wow, that's a that's a winner.
Yeah, you know that hard to ascribe that to anything. Yeah, but
the first one we talked about tonight was what twenty minutes, right, and
that I had been doing. Yeah, so I mean two hours now,
this is I thought was interesting. This is also from the CIA nineteen fifty
three. Very interesting. This is all that early Cold War period, and
this is from Copenhagen, July of fifty three. Danish defense authorities take a
serious view of the problem of flying saucers. The military experts are of the
opinion that although most of the observations of flying saucers have turned out to be
astronomical phenomenon, there remain the reports of trained observers, which, among other
things, would seem to indicate that the saucers are dispatched from Soviet bases in
the Arctic Ocean. Okay, interesting take, So they were concerned that these
were possibly However, they go on to talk about that the observations were matching
up with a lot of remote controlled projectiles being traced in the atmosphere over northern
Finland and Sweden, and that those they weren't sure of. So they think
what they were claiming is they suspected they were coming from Soviet bases, okay,
but there was no way to confirm. Is like the ghost rockets.
It might be the ghost they don't call them that in this okay. So
for example, there's an incident which an officer and seven privates from an airfield
in Jutland sighted an object in the air which resembled an aircraft, but which
we moved more rapidly than any known type of aircraft. And these Danish observations
were compared with a number of Norwegian observations which occurred in October of nineteen fifty
two, when, according to the Norwegian Defense Staff and the Norwegian Navy,
an aircraft of unknown design flew over the naval base at Horton at the entrance
to the Oslo Fjord. Another incident, which has pointed out occurred on a
maneuver recently in northern Norway, where the crew of an anti aircraft battery outside
of Bodo Boden observed a mysterious object at great height. A jetplane was set
up, but it was not able to reach the object, which disappeared at
a terrific speed. Doesn't sound Russian to me, No, And then,
of course an expert of the report of the Danish Air Force Command emphasized the
flying saucer traffic over Scandinavia seems to be a fact of great arrow technical interest.
The flying saucer traffic. I love it. And this is from a
CIA report. Yes. And then the last one is Norway. Now we've
talked about or mentioned the Hastelein Norwegian lights, which I'm not really good to
go into. We could do a whole show on Hastelden and that whole sighting.
But this was a item which appeared in a newspaper in Oslo nineteen fifty
nine. Again, the CIA compiled several bright objects were observed in the sky
near Bergen by several persons on the evening of March twelfth, nineteen fifty nine.
According to Berger Storsund near Bergen of Storsen's near Bergen, there were five
of the bright bodies, all which crossed the sky from north to south.
The first object which was first seen at twenty ten hours, took about two
minutes to cross the sky and disappear beneath the horizon. In size and appearance,
it could be compared to the Soviet spootnecks. About five minutes later,
Object number two appeared, later to be followed by object three and four and
five. According to the witness, several of his neighbors also store it,
and his dog, which usually reacts to the presence of aircraft, paid no
attention. The objects were also observed with binoculars. So very interesting, and
there's a course you can find many other sightings post nineteen fifties and sixties,
but I found those interesting that the CIA felt compelled to compile and report them
internally, and then of course now they're made available as part of a huge
information dump that the federal government has done in general, not just on UFOs,
but not a variety of topics. So we could probably spend hours just
talking about the CIA and FBI documents that go into UFO activity. Yeah,
well, clearly, you know they're concerned Cold War, they're concerned about what
the Russians were doing. But I'm sure the Russians had documents thinking it was
the US, right, right, exactly, but yeah, fascinating, fascinating.
So a lot of great stories from a lot of very cold places.
Yes, I think we need a UFO Headquarters International tour of the Scandinavia to
start. Maybe hit you know, some of the finished sites, that Swedish
site, maybe hastle In. Yeah. Oh, I've always wanted to go
there. Yeah, you know, I mean it would be a it would
be a lot of work, but I think we would have we could,
we could suck out. Somebody's got to do it, that's right. Yeah,
it's a tough job, but someone's got to do. We'll take one
for the team, all right. I would Yeah, I would love to
travel and there's so many fascinating sites and send us you know, listen,
if you're in any of these parts of the world or anywhere, we'd love
to hear what your experiences are. Have you seen anything? Have you people
and your members of your family, have your parents or grandparents told you about
things perhaps they saw in the previous decades. Love to hear about that,
because it certainly seems that there's interest in not just the North and South polls,
but in that you know, Arctic area itself. So I would like
to like to hear more about that. Absolutely, so I think we all
need to warm up now, so uh if you want to bring us out.
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