WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.399 --> 00:00:08.199 Hudson River Radio dot com. This is Travis Walton and you are listening to 2 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:24.280 UFO Headquarters. Beautiful headquarters, and welcome to the UFO Headquarters here on Hudson 3 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:29.960 River Radio. You're one stop shopping for all things UFOs. I am Michael 4 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:35.920 Warden and of course Linda Zimmerman, who's always enjoys my on the fly intros. 5 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:40.079 Don't you never know what to expect? Yeah, I don't. I 6 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:44.920 don't either, I just pick them up. I enjoy one stop shopping for 7 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:50.679 UFO. Thank you. Yes, and it's I was gonna say it's an 8 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:55.320 appropriate the day today that we're recording. It's rather cold and we're gonna be 9 00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:00.280 at the chillier portions of the earth I think today in our podcast. Yes, 10 00:01:00.439 --> 00:01:07.040 we're going to the extreme frozen wastelends of the North and South Pole and 11 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:12.640 a little south of that. But before that, you know how we love 12 00:01:12.719 --> 00:01:19.599 getting mail from listeners and got a particularly good one. Our last episode was 13 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:27.480 dust Bin of Ufology at least by Brian. Thank you, and someone wrote 14 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:34.079 to say they've been enjoying the show for a while and how much she resonated 15 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:38.640 with the dust Bin episode because she had a sighting. I'll mention, I'll 16 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:45.000 go talk about the sighting in a second in the late nineteen sixties, and 17 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:52.200 that after that she couldn't get enough. She mentioned flying saucers are real. 18 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:57.959 Donald Keho the UFO experienced. J Allen Hyatt heinek flying saucers serious business. 19 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.959 Frank Edwards still have my copy from when I was a kid and so on. 20 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:08.280 So it was good that, you know, people were connecting to that. 21 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:15.280 But here's her sighting July sixty seven or sixty eight, a Sunday evening. 22 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:20.360 I was about thirteen years old at the time. I went to fill 23 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:24.400 the bathtub and close the window shade. This was about six thirty or seven 24 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:29.840 in the evening and it was still daylight outside. As I looked out the 25 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:35.560 window, my attention was drawn to a metallic looking oval object in the distance, 26 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:43.039 moving very slowly from my left field of view toward the right. From 27 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:49.759 my location on Maple Avenue in matuchein New Jersey, I could see this object 28 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.960 was gliding slowly above the train tracks, power line and tree lines that run 29 00:02:54.080 --> 00:03:00.960 parallel to what was then the Pearl Street parking lot and now High Right condos. 30 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:05.039 I loved the detail in this Uh yes, you know, you know 31 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.960 exactly where it was, exactly what was happening. I called for my mother 32 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:15.560 downstairs to come and look. At the same time, another identical object appeared 33 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:22.520 on the right, moving slowly left toward the other object. They both slowly 34 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:30.240 came to a stop in front of one another, then simultaneously shot straight up 35 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:35.719 at such a speed that only streaks of light were visible, similar to the 36 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:42.560 hyperspace effect we see on you know that was on Star Trek. Both oval, 37 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:47.120 metallic looking objects had no other features that I could see, and I 38 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:52.919 had a clear view. Unfortunately, her mother didn't get there in times to 39 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.719 see what I was shouting about. You can just picture this girl screen, 40 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:00.159 you know, Ma, Ma, yeah, absolutely. But again, these 41 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:10.560 objects moving, stopping and then shooting straight up not typical aircraft. She said. 42 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:15.120 She was a attended Franklin Junior High School in Matucheon at the time, 43 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:24.959 and I guess the following fall, her homeroom teacher had put a photo of 44 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:30.680 that craft that he had taken in August, so she saw it in July. 45 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:34.000 He saw it in August, took a picture and posted it on the 46 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:39.639 bulletin board. She said. Years later, she tried to get in contact 47 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:43.279 with him to get a copy of the photo, but didn't get a reply. 48 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:48.959 And then she said there was another incident when her parents' next door neighbor, 49 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:54.040 a retired policeman, how often do we hear that with cop sightings, 50 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:00.399 called them to come outside to look at an object above Campbell's School, which 51 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:06.839 was the next street over from our house. So they came out and she 52 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:14.480 said there was a round object moved back and forth in a sort of zigzag 53 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:19.319 motion and took off. And this happened around the same time, so definitely 54 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:26.879 worth looking into Matuchin area sightings in the late sixties, there might have been 55 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:33.319 a little wave. And she finishes off this letter with a great short little 56 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:40.680 more recent sighting. Just a few years ago, she and her husband were 57 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:46.959 at the Rutgers Agricultural Gardens in East Brunswick, New Jersey, strolling around the 58 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:51.920 main garden along with other people, when we took a moment to sit on 59 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:57.319 one of the park benches. The sky was beautiful as we gazed up at 60 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:03.040 a flock of passing birds. The birds suddenly darted in every direction as in 61 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:11.600 a panic. Then we saw a black triangle very slowly gliding along as if 62 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:16.639 following root one south. The triangle was either very small or very high up. 63 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:21.079 We watched it for a long time until it was out of sight. 64 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:26.240 The other people in the garden looked at us and each other as if to 65 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:30.920 say, what was that. So you know how I love animal reactions? 66 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:35.720 Yes, you do. So even if this was small or up high, 67 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:45.720 it still affected the birds at whatever distance, And I thought this was nice. 68 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:47.040 At the end, she said, well, it was nice to share 69 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:51.759 some of these experiences with people who won't think I'm wearing a tinfoil hat. 70 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:58.920 Well, you know, we know she's not wearing a tinfoil hat because it's 71 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:03.879 made out of aluminum. There you go. Did you see her follow up 72 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:10.120 message that was at the end of the thread. Yes, yeah, you 73 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:13.480 wanted got me to read that. That one was like okay, So she 74 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.959 wrote back, and I was amazed at this one. One last small item 75 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.759 from my mother, who has since passed. She and her relatives lived in 76 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:26.959 the high lands of North Carolina. Most of the people. Most of those 77 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.000 people had farm animals like cows and sheep that had to be brought in at 78 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.480 night. She once told me about a neighbor who went up on a meadow 79 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:36.839 to bring in the sheep when a strange little man walked out of the bushes, 80 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:43.160 saying something unintelligible. The small man repeatedly tried to touch this neighbor with 81 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:46.879 a little stick or wand like object. The neighbor ran home terribly frightened, 82 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:51.040 leaving the sheep, and was accused of being drunk or lazy for making up 83 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:55.600 such a story. I love the ending of that one too, Yeah, 84 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:00.920 yeah, yeah, so yeah, so these stories are still there, and 85 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:05.839 we really appreciate people taking the time to tell us these accounts. That's that's 86 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:11.000 how we do what we do when people tell us of their accounts. But 87 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:18.240 yeah, so, matuchein not too far from the Hudson Valley and just great 88 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:26.480 detailed accounts. So let's take our first break and then go into the deep 89 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:37.519 freeze. Hudson River Radio dot Com Hudson River Radio dot Com subsidiary of Glacier 90 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:48.360 Entertainment LLC, blasting the competition in New York's Hudson Valley. Well, Linda, 91 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.399 we're going to go from the Hudson Valley, where it's a little cold 92 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:56.840 today, to the extremes of the Arctics where it's probably very cold, and 93 00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:01.039 I normally like cold weather, but I think snow burn is in my future. 94 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:03.879 I don't know. Oh you are kidding. I need I need this 95 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:13.080 audio burned onto a gold record because you always love the cold. I won't 96 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:16.240 pinky swear on it yet, but it's it's getting a bit much for me 97 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.799 here. Wow. Wow, this is this is This is probably one of 98 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:26.639 the most startling statements ever on UFO headquarters. So I mean, I'm already 99 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.720 there. I'm already checked out mentally and on my way to Florida for the 100 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:37.200 winter. But yes, let's there are some hardy souls out there who go 101 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:45.360 to the Arctic and the Antarctic. And there was a Reuters an AP news 102 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:54.519 service article dated July eighth, nineteen sixty five. Scientists at the Argentinian, 103 00:09:54.000 --> 00:10:03.720 British and Chilean Antarctic bases had reports an unusual celestial body hovering on the horizon 104 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:13.919 and sending geomagnetic instruments wild. That's quite a statement, Okay. These are 105 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:22.799 scientists at these spaces from three different countries. The object zigzagged, changed color, 106 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:28.559 made no sound, hovered and was in view for up to twenty minutes. 107 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.879 So I did a little digging and found some references a little more not 108 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:46.120 a lot on this interestingly, but the Secretary of the Argentine Navy made the 109 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:52.559 following statement, which was in the newspapers. The Navy garrison in the Argentine 110 00:10:52.840 --> 00:11:03.720 Antarctica aka Deception Island observed on July third, at nineteen forty hours local time, 111 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:11.320 a giant lens shaped flying object. Solid in appearance, color mostly red 112 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:16.279 and green, changing occasionally with yellow, blue, white, and orange shades. 113 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:22.159 The object was moving on a zigzagging trajectory toward the east, but several 114 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:28.240 times it changed course to the west and north, with varied speeds and no 115 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:33.720 sound. It passed at an elevation of forty five degrees over the horizon, 116 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:41.840 distance estimated to be ten to fifteen kilometers from the base. During the maneuvers 117 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:50.039 performed by the object, witnesses were able to register its tremendous speeds and also 118 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:58.279 the fact that it hovered motionless for fifteen minutes at an estimated altitude of about 119 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:05.960 five thousand meters about three miles. The meteorological conditions for the area of the 120 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:11.039 sighting can be considered to be very good at this time of year, clear 121 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:16.480 sky, some strato cumulus moon in the last quarter and perfect visibility. The 122 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:24.559 object was witnessed by the meteorologist together with thirteen members of the garrison and three 123 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:33.559 Chilean sub officers visiting at the time. The observation lasted for twenty minutes and 124 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:39.799 photographs of the object were taken. On the afternoon of the same day, 125 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:46.600 the same object was observed at the Argentine base on South Orkney Island, moving 126 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:52.320 away toward the northwest, elevation thirty degrees over the horizon, distance estimated at 127 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:58.759 about ten to fifteen kilometers. The Chilean base also observed the object referred to 128 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:05.840 a above the afternoon that same day. That's quite a statement. And the 129 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:11.679 level of detail, the elevation, the you know, the the angle, 130 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:16.519 the speeds, this is this is a lot to unpack here detail wise. 131 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:22.080 Yeah, the the shape that was described was interesting too. The lens, 132 00:13:22.279 --> 00:13:26.320 Like, did I hear that? Yeah, I assume that's like a disc. 133 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.080 You know, I'm imagining maybe it's a cop a lens out of binoculars 134 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:37.559 or something, and it's yeah, double convex, right, That's that's what 135 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:43.120 I was kind of picturing in my mind. But you know, right, 136 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.759 like a contact lens. And I'm also picturing is it is it a single? 137 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:52.240 But don't often hear that used to describe these crafts? No, No, 138 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.879 and and there's I have several other passages here, and I think this 139 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:05.720 is important because these are important officers and scientists making these opposites. It's not 140 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:11.679 a bunch of soldiers saw lights zip through. I mean, we have very 141 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:18.200 detailed information here and it was twenty long minutes. This wasn't wow, did 142 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:24.519 you see that? It's so and they have photos, so there are photos 143 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:33.480 somewhere. So the Navy Garrison at South Orkney calls attention to the fact of 144 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:41.120 extreme importance. During the passage of the strange object over that base, two 145 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:48.440 variometers, working in perfect condition, registered disturbances in the magnetic field that were 146 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:56.960 recorded on their tapes. So this wasn't a distant star or the planet Venus. 147 00:14:58.200 --> 00:15:07.559 They they missed articles swamp gas that they misinterpreted because they had these variometers. 148 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:15.679 I had not heard that term. Some sort of magnetic sensing instruments and 149 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.480 big disturbances that were recorded. So they have the data, they have the 150 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:28.240 tapes to show what was going on. And then we have a very interesting 151 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:33.039 witness or spokesman, which I'll get to at the end of this segment here. 152 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:39.159 On the same day, July seventh, nineteen sixty five, the Ministry 153 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:46.519 of Defense in Santiago, Chile released the contents of their sightings to the press. 154 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:54.840 The first observation occurred on June eighteenth, and was reported by Commander Mario 155 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:58.919 Jan Barrera. You might want to hold that in you. Does that ring? 156 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.840 Yeah? Yeah, no, it didn't with me, but it quickly 157 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:07.799 did when I said, hmm, I should look him up. But we'll 158 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:12.399 get to that little twist at the end. I have to report today that 159 00:16:12.440 --> 00:16:18.519 at four pm local time was sighted from the space an aerial object luminous intensity 160 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:25.159 of the first magnitude star, appearing east of the island at sixty degrees elevation, 161 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:30.600 changing direction to the left in a one hundred and eighty degree turn that's 162 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:37.000 very interesting to the west, then turning ninety degrees to the right, moving 163 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:41.600 away to the south following an irregular trajectory at four twenty pm. So already 164 00:16:41.639 --> 00:16:48.279 we have twenty minutes of sightings of an object making ninety and one hundred and 165 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:56.360 eighty degree rapid terms. And again skies were clear, and there are many 166 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:03.320 other It goes on and on the Chilean rapport, the Argentine reports going on 167 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:12.960 and on and wait till I get to Commander Burrera. But so then later 168 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:22.640 on Barrea gave an a radio interview and he said what we cited was something 169 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:30.640 real. A solid object which was moving at incredible speeds, performed maneuvers, 170 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:37.759 emitted a greenish light and caused interference in the electromagnetic instruments of the Argentine base. 171 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:45.160 Situated close to hours, its red yellow color changed to green and orange. 172 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.359 It was flying at a short distance from the base at an elevation of 173 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:53.240 forty five degrees, over the north of the island, moving in a zigzag 174 00:17:53.359 --> 00:18:00.839 course. It hovered in mid air after performing one of the maneuvers, remaining 175 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:08.640 motionless for twenty minutes and then moving away at high speed. We observed this 176 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:15.960 object through high powered binoculars. I don't believe it could be an airship of 177 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:22.720 terrestrial manufacture. Okay, so this is a high ranking officer stating this because 178 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.440 he was in the air force. As an officer in the Chilean Air Force, 179 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:33.680 my knowledge about man made machines gives me absolute conviction that nothing similar exists 180 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:41.480 on Earth in shape, velocity, and mobility in space. We have ten 181 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:47.880 color photographs which will be developed in Santiago. As soon as we sighted the 182 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:53.720 object. We tried to contact by radio the Argentine and English bases, but 183 00:18:53.920 --> 00:19:02.240 such contact was impossible because there was a very strong intence on the radio on 184 00:19:02.519 --> 00:19:10.759 all channels. With the radio useless and under intense emotion. We continue to 185 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:17.720 observe this thing in space on a clear night without wins. This is one 186 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:22.880 of the best statements, probably one of the best reports I've ever I've ever 187 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:26.480 heard, the detail and the credibility of the witness, just by virtue of 188 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:32.000 his status and explaining you know the I love that part. You know, 189 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:38.000 he's pretty confident this is not a terrestrial object, absolute conviction, and I 190 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:45.519 love this. They're trying so as he said, under intense emotion. Aka, 191 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:49.960 they're all freaking out. Yes, that was the professional way of putting 192 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:55.799 it. Yes, they're trying to contact the British and the Argentine. Are 193 00:19:55.839 --> 00:20:02.759 you seeing this? All communication is being interfered with, so all the radio 194 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:10.720 channels are out, there's strong magnetic you know, interference. So this was 195 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:15.319 just remarkable and I thought Wow, this guy. He went on to be 196 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.400 the head of the Air and Space Museum and they have a statue to him. 197 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:26.359 But there's a darker side of Mario jan Barrera. He went on to 198 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:34.000 be the head of the DINA under the brutal dictator Augusto Pinochet seventy three to 199 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:40.920 ninety. The DINA was the secret police. Basically, they called it Pinochet's 200 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:48.720 Gestapo, and under his watch, thousands and thousands of people were tortured, 201 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:53.319 murdered and disappeared. So I think this is the first time we've had a 202 00:20:53.640 --> 00:21:02.440 UFO statement from and essentially a war criminal. So just a little twist. 203 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:07.519 Neither known of this happened after his sighting, but clearly this was a man 204 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:14.000 you did not argue with. Uh. Yeah, And I don't see I 205 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:17.720 don't see someone like him, if indeed he you know, this is what 206 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:22.519 he really a war criminal. Him being subject to hallucinations or making things up, 207 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:26.119 you know, it doesn't sound like it would be within a character of 208 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:30.519 a kind of oh, kind of bad person like that. I guess no 209 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:34.640 other way. And it didn't help his reputation to say I'm I'm seeing a 210 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:40.400 little you know, flying saucers around there. Of course this was led, 211 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:45.680 but you know there was something about that name that I say, I need 212 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:47.920 to I need to check this guy out. And I was like, uh 213 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:52.640 oh, but yeah. So even after being the head of the uh the 214 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:57.880 the Chilean Gestapo, he became head of the Air and Space Museum, and 215 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:03.799 now there's a statue to him there and people don't think that's appropriate, and 216 00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:10.400 they're probably right. I think so, but I know that's not our topic. 217 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:14.519 I guess no, it isn't. It isn't, but just ye, 218 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:18.960 you never know who's going to see a UFO. So I had never seen 219 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:25.960 that brought up anywhere, any hint of where the of the pictures ever having 220 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:33.400 been leaked or produced. I kept chasing these that, oh these pictures were 221 00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:37.000 shown, here are this and I can't. I have not been able to 222 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:41.920 track them down. I'm sure they're out there. Somebody probably has seen them. 223 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.279 But you know, they may be little blobs of green and red color. 224 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:52.839 But I still like to see those little little blobs. But let's jump 225 00:22:53.000 --> 00:23:00.720 to the North Pole if we can. Let's go to the Canadian Arctic. 226 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.839 Is this just really quickly? Are we going to involve Santa Claus in this 227 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.759 at all. We're in the North Pole. It could be sightings of Santa 228 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:15.440 Claus. That is a possibility. Sure, yeah, yeah. So are 229 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:23.400 you familiar with the Canadian territory of none of ut No, it became it 230 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:30.839 just became a territory in nineteen ninety nine. Basically that whole area like when 231 00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:34.799 hell freeze is over, that's what it's going to look like. It is 232 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:47.039 barren arctic tundra and where they drop little villages and cities. But yeah, 233 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:52.440 it's uh, it's cold, it's very cold, but they do it. 234 00:23:52.119 --> 00:24:00.519 There's the largest city and it's about seven thousand people, a caloit. They 235 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:04.759 do have a Tim Hortons. Are you familiar with Tim Horton's. I am 236 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:11.119 familiar, Yes, great coffee and donuts. I think it's a Canadian law 237 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:15.680 that if you're trying to establish a town, you don't need people, but 238 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.359 you must have a Tim Horton's that they will come, right, It's right, 239 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:23.559 the Tim Hortons and the people will follow, that's right. So we're 240 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:29.720 going back to November twenty fourth, twenty eighteen, not all that long ago. 241 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:37.359 Pilots flying on Nola Noor aviation Boeing seven thirty seven from a calowit to 242 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:44.759 Mary River Mine. I believe those are iron mines. They reported their sighting 243 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:49.319 to NORAAD, which is the North American Air Defense and also the Canadian version. 244 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:56.720 I couldn't find a lot about the the sighting, but at eight thirty 245 00:24:56.799 --> 00:25:04.480 pm they saw shining light I mean to red to white that apparently zipped by. 246 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:14.759 Uh. The the VP Mario Prude home Marco Prude home of Nolan Or 247 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:22.839 downplayed the whole thing and his brilliant statements that what they had seen could have 248 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.960 been a weather balloon, a meteor, or a rocket, but probably something 249 00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:33.319 natural. Uh okay, that's a great answer. It could have been. 250 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:41.119 Yeah, yeah, well I'll just throw every possibility out there so that that's 251 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:48.000 right, right. So yeah, I don't know that trained pilots flying this 252 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:53.240 route all the time would have reported to NOORAD that, you know, a 253 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:59.880 meteor or you would hope they were able to rule all that out before they 254 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:04.799 their careers on the line to report this. So I started looking into a 255 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:11.759 callow it and there's quite a lot of sightings. Now remember starlink didn't really 256 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:21.279 start until twenty nineteen, so these are pre starlink sighting September sixteenth, twenty 257 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:26.279 sixteen. A hiker was looking at the Northern lights. I bet the Northern 258 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:33.319 lights are amazing. There not far from the Arctic Circle. When a bunch 259 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:41.559 of starl like lights moving in sequence caught my attention. Then I saw an 260 00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:48.200 airplane flying and when it flew toward the lights, it went out of sight 261 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:55.400 until it reached the other side of the lights. How does that happen? 262 00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.720 Did it go behind a mass? He's seeing the lights and it was a 263 00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:04.960 huge jobjeck, and he flew behind it. That's very unsettling. Suddenly he 264 00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:11.799 saw some bright flashes, and there was several flashes, and I got a 265 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:17.559 little nervous, so I went to call a cab and my phone started acting 266 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:26.440 up. So here again UFO electrical electromagnetic interference. Finally the phone started working 267 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:33.440 again and he took off for home. Now July of twenty eleven, you 268 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:44.559 can look this up a Calowit is spelled iqaliut. He videoed a daytime sighting. 269 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.720 You can hear him. There are like sixty witnesses like, what the 270 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:55.640 hell is this? There was a blue light rotating around another stationary blue light. 271 00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.279 He ran and got his camcorder. By the time he came out, 272 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.200 it was my higher in the sky, but he did. You know, 273 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.839 you're basically seeing a spot of light, but still you're you know, they 274 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:15.960 got something on video. Another little community July of two thousand and four, 275 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:25.559 Davity Cow Charlie of Oh, I'm going to butcher this, thank gluage. 276 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:33.079 I don't know, saw object hovering and several objects flying and hovering. More 277 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:38.960 lights were noticed underneath the hovering white lights. So again like that blue light, 278 00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:45.200 there's a central larger object and smaller ones or seemed to be flying around 279 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:49.759 or in and out of it. They seemed to be retrieving something from the 280 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:56.119 area, and there were more lights coming out of the big hovering lights. 281 00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:00.839 The speed of the objects coming out of the bright light was too fast for 282 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:07.599 this world. So there's some weird stuff going on in none of it. 283 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:12.240 There's now I know people are probably saying it's the underwater alien base or the 284 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:18.119 hollow Earth. We don't know. So I'm not going to try to explain 285 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:23.039 something unknown by something else unknown, right, exactly right, as much as 286 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:29.680 people want to do that. So then there were things in the water as 287 00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:37.480 well, the fury and Heckless straits around Baffin Island. Cruise and ships were 288 00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:44.279 hearing sounds resonating through the hull, so there's some sort of underwater sounds. 289 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:51.319 November of twenty sixteen, strange noises, pinging, beeping, humming, kind 290 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:59.119 of sounds like some sort of submarine activity. But the Canadian Air Force actually 291 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:07.160 scrambled yets. And another thing some somebody mentioned there was a troubling drop in 292 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:15.960 the number of migrating animals in the in the region, So that's an interesting 293 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:22.640 animal reaction. Yeah, they're not there where they killed. Were they just 294 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:33.519 avoiding whatever this activity was And suddenly Canada stopped investigating. Kind of leads me 295 00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.960 to believe it was something military, but I don't. I don't know. 296 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:44.720 And then one last thing I want to talk about before we take our second 297 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:51.319 break, and you you pick up on more sightings. Now, skeptics say 298 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:56.799 this is a hoax and a made up story. Other people swear it's documented. 299 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:02.839 So I'm not saying that this is the absolute truth. You know, 300 00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:07.400 we only go by what we can find written about it. And we're going 301 00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:15.480 back to nineteen thirty to the Inuit village of Anna and Jakuni, Okay, 302 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:22.519 a fur trapper, Joe LaBelle, goes into this little village. There should 303 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:27.200 be at least twenty people there. Nobody's there. Nobody. The fires are 304 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:33.839 still burning, food is still cooking and burned. Everyone's gone, but all 305 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:37.680 their possessions are still in the homes, and there's no tracks or trails of 306 00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:42.599 where they could have gone. There was even if they made this up. 307 00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:48.599 They made up some great features. There was a child's seal skin coat with 308 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:53.160 the needle and threads still stuck in it mid stitch, as if someone was 309 00:31:53.839 --> 00:32:00.400 repairing the coat and just suddenly took off. They left all their food, 310 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:07.200 their guns, everything. So LaBelle didn't want to stay here, you can, 311 00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:14.440 you know, little nervous, what the hell? So he actually got 312 00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:22.920 frostbite and was exhausted hiking to the nearest telegraph to telegraph the Royal Canadian Mounted 313 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:29.519 Police. They interviewed LaBelle. They headed or out to the lake, and 314 00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:35.799 they stopped to rest at the home of another trapper, Armand Laurent, who 315 00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:40.319 told the RCMP that a couple of days earlier, he and his sons saw 316 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:49.759 strange lights and a shining object that raced over his property. The object changed 317 00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:55.839 shape from a cylinder to a bullet shape and headed towards a Jacuni lake. 318 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:04.160 Okay, that's very interesting again if true, And this just sounds too creepy 319 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.759 for words, but it's part of the story. The RCMP gets there, 320 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:16.359 finds no one also finds the village graveyard that the graves had been opened and 321 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:22.799 the bodies were removed, and all the headstones were piled into two piles. 322 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:30.759 So all the living and all the dead of this village were gone. So 323 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:35.279 people were saying it was a hoax. And this Betty Hill, you know, 324 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.319 if Betty and Barney Hill heard about this, she says it was a 325 00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:43.519 mass alien abduction. I don't know if she was speculating or what, but 326 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.799 I mean, hey, your guess is as good mind as mine. Later, 327 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:53.200 when the RCMP was asked about this, they denied ever investigating it, 328 00:33:53.799 --> 00:34:00.319 and then somebody produced some investigation document. Oh yeah, actually we did, 329 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:06.599 and we figured out they all just migrated without their food, clothing, weapons, 330 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:13.920 possessions, brought their dead bodies with them, suddenly dug them all up, 331 00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:19.039 took the This is just that, this is something you know, nightmares 332 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:24.719 are made of. So true hoax? I don't know, but there's certainly 333 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:30.280 enough going on in Nunavut that I think you, me and Brian if your 334 00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:37.440 game, we start a go fund me page for airfare, hotel and Tim 335 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:43.400 Horton's gift cards. Okay, let's go. I would go up there, 336 00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:49.159 get a cup of coffee, sit around, watch watch for UFOs. So 337 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.079 maybe when the ice melts, which I believe is for like a day and 338 00:34:52.119 --> 00:35:01.960 a half in August. But yeah, wreaky stuff going out at the North 339 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:13.400 and South Pole where objects are just doing inexplicable maneuvers for decades. So why 340 00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:16.800 don't we take our second break and we can warm up, and then we'll 341 00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:23.280 get back to Mike's exciting conclusion. This is Hudson River Radio dot com, 342 00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:43.599 your local Rockland County station. This is Hudson River Radio dot Com. Okay, 343 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.880 we are back after that break, and what you couldn't hear is, 344 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:52.280 Brian, we're gonna be taking an air street up to the tundra to look 345 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:54.360 for UFOs. I don't know how we're gonna get it there, but let's 346 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:58.559 do it. Yeah, there's no roads, but we can put it on 347 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.679 a ship and for the day and a half that the harbor is ice free. 348 00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:07.639 We can roll the airstream. They make big sleds. Can we put 349 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:13.880 thigs sleds on it? You know, well, we are going to keep 350 00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:15.559 with our Arctic theme to some extent, and we are going to go to 351 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:20.840 probably my favorite part of the world, as Linda knows all too well, 352 00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:25.880 this is Scandinavia, in particular Finland. Hello to of our Finnish fans teteva, 353 00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.719 email me, write me if you want us to come investigate host us 354 00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:37.000 for a UFO investigation you have please anybody what we do like to hear from 355 00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:42.639 everybody around the world, So please if you are in Scandinavia. A lot 356 00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:46.079 of the stuff that you find is in obviously it's in Finnish or Swedish Norwegian, 357 00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:52.519 so Google Translate isn't necessarily accurate enough to really get good reports. So 358 00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:59.360 a lot of the information that I was reading was it wasn't so great for 359 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:01.280 that reason. But we do have a lot of interesting things. The first 360 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:07.280 thing I know we've touched on this in the past is the Buddhist yarvy UFO 361 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:13.840 flap in the nineteen sixties. It's poudhis yardvy. I'd like that pronunciation very 362 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.320 well, though much better than I would have done. And excuse me. 363 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:22.920 This is located as a municipality. It's about four hundred and thirty miles north 364 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:29.559 of Helsinki, and it's just about ninety five miles south of the Arctic Circle. 365 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:34.199 So it's up there. It's we're much higher, you know, northern 366 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:38.159 latitude. And it's an interesting because if you go online and look this up, 367 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:44.760 there's a book which a photographer did. Her name is Maria locke Lax, 368 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:47.519 and she based it upon. She did a book of photograph she's a 369 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:54.639 photographer and she based her photographs on a book that her grandfather had written that 370 00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:59.119 she discovered when she went to visit her parents. And this book was written 371 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:04.360 by it I believe it's soyny Locks. It's Si n I and it's called 372 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:10.800 pud jarnovin Ufot. And I could not find an English version of that book, 373 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.079 and I don't think you can get the finished one seemed to be out 374 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.880 of print. If I can get one, I could pretend to read it. 375 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.360 I guess maybe I could probably pick out two or three words of page. 376 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:28.960 But so she found this book about how her town where she grew up 377 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:34.079 had this UFO flap in the nineteen sixties and kind of like something you would 378 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.239 do or I would do. She just went and knocked on people's doors and 379 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:43.519 asked, hey, were you there, And sure enough people started to talk 380 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:49.079 about it, and she started collecting these stories and taking pictures based upon them. 381 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:52.639 But I'm going to go to some of her words here. Over the 382 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:57.079 few years I worked on this project, I interviewed several people in the town 383 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:02.480 and all their accounts were remarkably similar. Colorful lights would follow cars or people 384 00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:07.960 walking home alone. The lights would be silent, pulsating in different colors before 385 00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:14.880 disappearing into the sky. Sometimes bright lights would wake people up in their homes 386 00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:20.480 in the middle of the night and would again vanish without a trace. The 387 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.239 first UFO sightings in the area were made as early as the nineteen twenties, 388 00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:30.320 but because they were, and it's interesting, it seems to be a cultural 389 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:34.199 throughout the world. It's very similar. Because of fears they would be labeled 390 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:38.320 as crazy by others, they kept what they saw a secret and wouldn't talk 391 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:44.000 about it till much much later. So how many more people saw things and 392 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.679 never reported it and took it to their graves? Yeah, one of the 393 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.960 people I interviewed, meaning this is the photographer Maria lo Ox told me. 394 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:58.000 I remember waking up one night and the room being awash with the most beautiful 395 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:02.519 colors. I knew it was the aliens, but I wasn't afraid. I 396 00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:07.199 knew they didn't wish me any harm. Although some locals I spoke to were 397 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:13.880 still visibly scared and cautious of sharing what they had experienced decades ago, others 398 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:17.119 said the strange lights were a thing that gave them hope, a sign they 399 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:27.280 hadn't been forgotten. Wow. An interesting sort of statement there, But we've 400 00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:29.960 seen that with our own encounters, even in the Hudson Valley. How many 401 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:37.440 people report they find it a tremendously positive experience, whereas others have the complete 402 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:43.079 opposite. You know that it's terrifying, it's scary, and you know, 403 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:51.079 two people experiencing probably very similar encounters with two very diametrically opposed reactions, And 404 00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:57.320 yeah, I think that's interesting that we hadn't been forgotten. Yes, wow, 405 00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:02.199 yeah, I I would like to find a little bit more about that. 406 00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:06.440 Again, if I can track down a copy of the book, I 407 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.000 can. I do have friends at Helsinki. It's a good reason to go 408 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:15.960 and have them read the book to me, and there you go. And 409 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:22.559 that makes it a business trip exactly. Tax deduction, no tax fraud here, 410 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:29.559 I promise. But they are listening, aren't they always? Now we're 411 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:35.119 going to go to western Finland and the Gulf of Bothnia in a town called 412 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.920 Pori. Pori, and the Finnish Air Force had a UFO sighting in nineteen 413 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:46.639 sixty nine April twelfth, nineteen sixty nine during military training exercises, and it's 414 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:54.000 the only encounter that is acknowledged as having been reported by the actual air force 415 00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:59.480 itself, so they do acknowledge it. Now they reckon They suggest that it 416 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:05.239 was probably a foreign reconnaissance aircraft. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. 417 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:12.239 But during the flight at Poori Airport April twelfth, nineteen sixty nine, a 418 00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:17.800 Finish Defense Forces flight controller told a pilot in training, a man named Totamo 419 00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:25.239 Tukeva, to investigate seven air balloons that were floating out approximately fifteen to three 420 00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:29.800 thousand meters above the airport and balloon that's just I guess. The blip on 421 00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:34.960 the radar is what I'm suspecting. They went by air balloons or maybe that's 422 00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.440 what they refer to as a target when they have him on the on the 423 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:44.599 radar. Tukeva reported that the objects were ball or disc shaped, but could 424 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.400 not determine his distance to them. According to the pilot, the objects accelerated 425 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:54.360 from him away from him at great speed. Undetermined radar images were also later 426 00:42:54.440 --> 00:43:01.360 reported two hundred kilometers away in Vasa. A second pilot and training Yoko Kurnin, 427 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:08.239 says he heard the radio community communications between flight control and Tukova as well 428 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:15.199 as observed the objects. According to the Fish Armed Forces magazine Ratavaki, the 429 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:22.639 April twelfth reports were similar to other cases over bodies of water during ongoing military 430 00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:28.719 training exercises, and of course may have been due to transnational spyplanes or aircraft. 431 00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.000 So okay, well, yeah, I mean you have to say that, 432 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:38.440 but yes, and they thought they were unusual. Yes, And I'll 433 00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:43.199 note, you know, Vasa Pori they're on the western side of Finland, 434 00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.199 so they're not on the eastern border where they would have the border with Russia, 435 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:51.039 where you might expect to encounter more of that type of spy planes. 436 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:54.159 Although I don't know what kind of operations they were operating back then. The 437 00:43:54.239 --> 00:44:00.159 Russians and so. But it's interesting that they actually had this report. I 438 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:06.000 found a very cool encounter from Sweden, from a place called ongole Holme. 439 00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:10.679 I think I'm pronouncing that right. I probably am not. It's actually in 440 00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:15.639 the southwest of Suite of Sweden. It's closer to Copenhagen than it is Stockholm. 441 00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:22.199 That's how far down on the bottom of Sweden we are. And the 442 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:30.719 man who had these sightings is a man named GHOSTA Carlson, and he made 443 00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:37.320 a fortune with bee pollen extracts. So he founded a company that extracted bee 444 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:42.920 pollen and he made quite a great career from it. Well. In the 445 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:49.480 nineteen seventies he came forward with a report and said that in May of nineteen 446 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:54.559 forty six, he was walking from the beach through a forest which had been 447 00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:59.159 planted in the soil to protect the coastlines. We had been on the beach, 448 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.159 He's walking back in land when he noticed a light at the edge of 449 00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:07.079 a clearing. He approached what, from a distance seemed to be a crew 450 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:14.800 setting up a carousel. Upon entering the site, he reported seeing a disk 451 00:45:15.199 --> 00:45:21.679 sitting on a keel like thin and a pair of retractable legs. Carlson claimed 452 00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.880 to have interacted with the crew, one of whom used a device resembling a 453 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:32.480 chest mounted bellows camera to keep him away. He described the human looking crew 454 00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:39.440 as wearing tight fitting white flight suits with dark boots, belts, hoods, 455 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:45.559 and earplugs. After witnessing the craft leave, Carlson returned to the clearing to 456 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:52.880 gather what he believed were discarded artifacts, including a quartz rod. He measured 457 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:59.280 gouges in the ground that he attributed to the craft, and created sketches that 458 00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:05.119 would later be used to form a UFO memorial at the site. Wow, 459 00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:09.400 I never heard of this mean either, and there is an actual memorial at 460 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:14.599 the site. You can go there. So he claimed that later in the 461 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:20.960 year he would have a lot of these strange dreams and the UFO pilot would 462 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:25.840 communicate ideas to him. He would later tell somebody the driver speaks to me. 463 00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:30.760 I don't know if it's words or thoughts I perceived, but he claims 464 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:36.960 that these dreams are what spurred him to experiment with pollen as a natural remedy 465 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:43.599 and start his company. So he attributes his success to a UFOE encounter. 466 00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:51.880 Oh, so he wasn't the bee pollen magnate still afterwards, So after this 467 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:58.280 encounter, he says, so he never discusses this before nineteen seventy one, 468 00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.599 nineteen seventy when he comes forward, he's already established, you know, he's 469 00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:07.760 a you know, well to do. He says that the circular well, 470 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:14.320 the circular impressions with about fifty feet in diameter, one foot wide and less 471 00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:19.880 than one inch deep. He never found any marks left by a keel or 472 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:29.079 retractable legs. He claims that he sent the discarded quartz rod to the metaogical 473 00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:36.599 department at Stockholm University without disclosing the provenance of the courts, and that it 474 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:40.079 came back to be completely mundane. I'm guessing that just means it was from 475 00:47:40.119 --> 00:47:47.000 Earth. I guess. A year later, Carlson erected a monument in the 476 00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:54.440 clearing with the landowner. So there is a there is a monument there. 477 00:47:55.400 --> 00:48:00.000 A Swedish euithologist wrote a book in nineteen ninety five with carl about the end 478 00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:07.519 incident, called the Meeting and the Clearing. That's the English translation. The 479 00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.679 author of this book, the co author class Vaughan. Oh, yes, 480 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:17.000 he's a great guy. Yeah, he came away a little bit. This 481 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:25.079 disbelieving the encounter but believing Carlson's conviction. Okay, well that's fair. It's 482 00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:30.800 a hard yeah, tough pill to swallow, but he believes it. The 483 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:38.239 witness believes something happened. Yes, so you know, Carlson maintained that the 484 00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:43.000 events occurred, and that he he said, they might sound like dreams to 485 00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:46.920 others, but that he did they did happen. So again, you take 486 00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:53.599 it for what it's worth. Yes, Klaus Swan is a fabulous investigator and 487 00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:59.960 he has one of the largest He and some others have established one of the 488 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:07.960 largest UFO libraries in the world. I sent him a couple of my books 489 00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:13.719 an honor to be part of that. You know. Hey, they go 490 00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:20.320 to different countries and pack up cases of these you know, books and get 491 00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:23.840 them shipped. So yeah, he's doing really good work. And I know 492 00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:28.400 he is. I just saw his Facebook post today. He just landed in 493 00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:34.480 the US. He's doing a some sort of UFO documentary, which I hope 494 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:39.719 will be in a language we can understand. I'm not sure, but yeah, 495 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.679 yeah, I'll have to read that book of and what was in the 496 00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:49.559 what was that the title of that? The title in English is the meeting 497 00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.679 and the clearing meeting in the clearing, Okay, I'll have to see if 498 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:55.679 it's available in English. Well, well, you know, if you come 499 00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.679 to Helsinki with us, we can start in Helsinki, take the ferry over 500 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.400 to starf and then we can go visit his library. I'm sure that. 501 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:07.119 Oh, I'd love to. That would be quite an experience. I would 502 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:09.519 love to. I'd be like a kid in a candy store. And then 503 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:15.719 we could do an episode from Scandinavia. We could do all right, We 504 00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:21.000 have all sorts of tax right offs going here. Now. I did find 505 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.760 another interesting one from this is from although northern Germany. It's on the Baltic 506 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:30.320 Sea next near Denmark, basically very close to Denmark cold enough, yes, 507 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:35.440 And it's from April of sixteen sixty five. And it's called the air Battle 508 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:39.599 of Strausund. I've never heard of this one, but it was April of 509 00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:47.159 sixteen sixty five. Six fishermen witnessed an unexplained celestial phenomenon, an aerial battle, 510 00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:52.039 and the skies above the Baltic Sea near Strausund. As evening broke, 511 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:59.400 a dark gray disc appeared high above the city center. So they report this 512 00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:02.039 battle. There is that much more really talked about it. But they report 513 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:08.239 seeing some kind of an unexplained aerial phenomenon over the Baltic Sea in sixteen Wow, 514 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:14.719 that's like our episode we did on all of those sightings from the sixteen 515 00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:21.360 hundreds. Cool. Excellent. A couple more short ones. This one is 516 00:51:21.559 --> 00:51:30.000 actually from the CIA Ailes and it's reported UFO activity in June and July of 517 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:38.480 nineteen fifty four, and it's uf unidentified objects photographed in Finland during and after 518 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:44.000 eclipse. And it's taken from the Helsingen Sono matt which is a newspaper, 519 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:50.039 and it reports several photographs of an unidentified object in the sky. We're taken 520 00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:55.480 in Helsinki during the eclipse on June thirtieth, nineteen fifty four. According to 521 00:51:55.519 --> 00:52:01.119 Informed Circles, a round object which appears on the photographs is not the moon 522 00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:07.079 or a cloud. One photograph differs from the others in that the upper edge 523 00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:12.159 of the object is illuminated, as if the sun were shining on that hard 524 00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:17.880 surface. The center of the object appears as a dark blotch. So, 525 00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:22.800 and there's a couple other report from the next day July twelfth of fifty four, 526 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:29.920 strange object was photographed in the sky and marian Ahima, sorry, marian 527 00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:37.960 Hymena. That's the capital of the Ulland islands, Marianheim oh klue finish. 528 00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:42.280 It's like an independent series of islands that are part of Finland, but they're 529 00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:47.280 independent, I guess, like a territory. This occurred immediately after the sun 530 00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:52.760 was in full view. Following the eclipse, the cigar shaped object appeared on 531 00:52:52.840 --> 00:53:00.840 several pictures taken consecutively. Then there was another later sighting on by fourteenth of 532 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:07.039 fifty four, an unidentified oblong object with cytogen ukila flying southwest in the direction 533 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:12.280 of I'm not even gonna tempt that one. The object, which was flying 534 00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:16.079 very high, appeared gray from the rear and very bright from the side. 535 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.880 The object was in view for several minutes and was flying with the speed of 536 00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:29.480 an ordinary plane. Now those are from Finland. Now there was a sighting 537 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:36.920 in Norway during that eclipse as well, so now we're having a correlation. 538 00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:45.320 Color motion pictures of unidentified flying objects were obtained by photographer Johnny Bjornolf during the 539 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:47.719 recent total eclipse of the Sun. The pictures, which are obtained from an 540 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:54.760 airplane lying at an altitude of forty five hundred meters, showed two shining discs 541 00:53:55.239 --> 00:54:01.159 with condensation trails moving at great speed in the direction opposite of that to the 542 00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:06.840 plane. So I was unable to find anything in a quick search. But 543 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:13.480 I mean there's color motion pictures of this, yeah, footage out there and 544 00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:17.719 other photographs. Were you able to find any of the I found some which 545 00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.639 which might have been but it was hard to Again, some of it's in 546 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.679 finish, and I'm like, I think I know what that means, and 547 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.320 it basically means I don't know what it means. No, you don't know 548 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:32.599 what it means. Well, and well, if any of our Finnish listeners 549 00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:37.760 out there have access, we would love to see this, yes, definitely. 550 00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:45.760 Now we go to Austria for the same time period. Who a contractor 551 00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:52.800 in how Halloween Austria reported that to the police that he and two other men 552 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:58.119 cited a strange object in the sky over a ten in mountain shortly after midnight 553 00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:00.599 in June seventh, nineteen fifty four, or not long before the eclipse a 554 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:05.800 couple of weeks. The object was glowing red and appeared to have a diagonal 555 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:10.000 streak across it. It seemed to be about three times as large as venus 556 00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:16.960 and moved spasmodically in a vertical and then horizontal direction, and the object was 557 00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:24.679 in view for about two hours. Wow, that's a that's a winner. 558 00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:32.320 Yeah, you know that hard to ascribe that to anything. Yeah, but 559 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:36.880 the first one we talked about tonight was what twenty minutes, right, and 560 00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:42.239 that I had been doing. Yeah, so I mean two hours now, 561 00:55:42.280 --> 00:55:45.239 this is I thought was interesting. This is also from the CIA nineteen fifty 562 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:51.559 three. Very interesting. This is all that early Cold War period, and 563 00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:57.559 this is from Copenhagen, July of fifty three. Danish defense authorities take a 564 00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:01.679 serious view of the problem of flying saucers. The military experts are of the 565 00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:07.599 opinion that although most of the observations of flying saucers have turned out to be 566 00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:14.559 astronomical phenomenon, there remain the reports of trained observers, which, among other 567 00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:20.440 things, would seem to indicate that the saucers are dispatched from Soviet bases in 568 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:27.400 the Arctic Ocean. Okay, interesting take, So they were concerned that these 569 00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:31.719 were possibly However, they go on to talk about that the observations were matching 570 00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:37.719 up with a lot of remote controlled projectiles being traced in the atmosphere over northern 571 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:45.199 Finland and Sweden, and that those they weren't sure of. So they think 572 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:50.920 what they were claiming is they suspected they were coming from Soviet bases, okay, 573 00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.800 but there was no way to confirm. Is like the ghost rockets. 574 00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:00.400 It might be the ghost they don't call them that in this okay. So 575 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:07.760 for example, there's an incident which an officer and seven privates from an airfield 576 00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:12.760 in Jutland sighted an object in the air which resembled an aircraft, but which 577 00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:20.000 we moved more rapidly than any known type of aircraft. And these Danish observations 578 00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:24.679 were compared with a number of Norwegian observations which occurred in October of nineteen fifty 579 00:57:24.679 --> 00:57:30.239 two, when, according to the Norwegian Defense Staff and the Norwegian Navy, 580 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:36.119 an aircraft of unknown design flew over the naval base at Horton at the entrance 581 00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:40.719 to the Oslo Fjord. Another incident, which has pointed out occurred on a 582 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:46.639 maneuver recently in northern Norway, where the crew of an anti aircraft battery outside 583 00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:53.559 of Bodo Boden observed a mysterious object at great height. A jetplane was set 584 00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:59.079 up, but it was not able to reach the object, which disappeared at 585 00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:04.679 a terrific speed. Doesn't sound Russian to me, No, And then, 586 00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:07.639 of course an expert of the report of the Danish Air Force Command emphasized the 587 00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:17.119 flying saucer traffic over Scandinavia seems to be a fact of great arrow technical interest. 588 00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:22.159 The flying saucer traffic. I love it. And this is from a 589 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:28.519 CIA report. Yes. And then the last one is Norway. Now we've 590 00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:34.280 talked about or mentioned the Hastelein Norwegian lights, which I'm not really good to 591 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:37.199 go into. We could do a whole show on Hastelden and that whole sighting. 592 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:43.280 But this was a item which appeared in a newspaper in Oslo nineteen fifty 593 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:47.639 nine. Again, the CIA compiled several bright objects were observed in the sky 594 00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:52.880 near Bergen by several persons on the evening of March twelfth, nineteen fifty nine. 595 00:58:54.480 --> 00:59:02.159 According to Berger Storsund near Bergen of Storsen's near Bergen, there were five 596 00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:07.599 of the bright bodies, all which crossed the sky from north to south. 597 00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:13.000 The first object which was first seen at twenty ten hours, took about two 598 00:59:13.039 --> 00:59:17.239 minutes to cross the sky and disappear beneath the horizon. In size and appearance, 599 00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:22.960 it could be compared to the Soviet spootnecks. About five minutes later, 600 00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:28.719 Object number two appeared, later to be followed by object three and four and 601 00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:32.920 five. According to the witness, several of his neighbors also store it, 602 00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:40.679 and his dog, which usually reacts to the presence of aircraft, paid no 603 00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:52.199 attention. The objects were also observed with binoculars. So very interesting, and 604 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:58.079 there's a course you can find many other sightings post nineteen fifties and sixties, 605 00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:04.559 but I found those interesting that the CIA felt compelled to compile and report them 606 01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:07.960 internally, and then of course now they're made available as part of a huge 607 01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:14.079 information dump that the federal government has done in general, not just on UFOs, 608 01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:17.159 but not a variety of topics. So we could probably spend hours just 609 01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:23.679 talking about the CIA and FBI documents that go into UFO activity. Yeah, 610 01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:30.400 well, clearly, you know they're concerned Cold War, they're concerned about what 611 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:37.519 the Russians were doing. But I'm sure the Russians had documents thinking it was 612 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:45.840 the US, right, right, exactly, but yeah, fascinating, fascinating. 613 01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:49.480 So a lot of great stories from a lot of very cold places. 614 01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:55.360 Yes, I think we need a UFO Headquarters International tour of the Scandinavia to 615 01:00:55.480 --> 01:01:00.360 start. Maybe hit you know, some of the finished sites, that Swedish 616 01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:05.079 site, maybe hastle In. Yeah. Oh, I've always wanted to go 617 01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:07.880 there. Yeah, you know, I mean it would be a it would 618 01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:10.079 be a lot of work, but I think we would have we could, 619 01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:13.760 we could suck out. Somebody's got to do it, that's right. Yeah, 620 01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:15.800 it's a tough job, but someone's got to do. We'll take one 621 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:22.159 for the team, all right. I would Yeah, I would love to 622 01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:29.440 travel and there's so many fascinating sites and send us you know, listen, 623 01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:32.039 if you're in any of these parts of the world or anywhere, we'd love 624 01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:37.519 to hear what your experiences are. Have you seen anything? Have you people 625 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.639 and your members of your family, have your parents or grandparents told you about 626 01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:45.719 things perhaps they saw in the previous decades. Love to hear about that, 627 01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:50.960 because it certainly seems that there's interest in not just the North and South polls, 628 01:01:50.960 --> 01:01:53.840 but in that you know, Arctic area itself. So I would like 629 01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:59.360 to like to hear more about that. Absolutely, so I think we all 630 01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:04.039 need to warm up now, so uh if you want to bring us out. 631 01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:07.440 So, once again, everybody, thank you for joining us here on 632 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:12.719 UFO Headquarters. You have headquarters on Hudson River Radio. We appreciate your patronage. 633 01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:15.320 If you are new to us, binge listen to us. If you 634 01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:17.800 have been listening to us for a while, thank you for your continued support. 635 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:22.440 Hudson Riverradio dot com. Your dad likes us.