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Now. It's odd that I have Mike Swanson right back on the following week,
because he's usually every other Thursday now, But Mike Swanson is back with
us, and why well, he's joining Carmine Sabastano, and we're gonna have
a three way conversation here regarding something that does come up in the JFK assassination
community as well, although we're not going to focus really on the Kennedy assassination
tonight. Instead, we're gonna be talking about the murder, you know,
those untimely deaths. Why it has somebody died, why it is somebody got
killed at a convenient time, et cetera, et cetera. We're going to
focus on one of the names that always comes up on that list, and
I do mean always sam Gy and Kanna, that's right, the guy who's
always described as the godfather of New Orleans, the godfather of the entire South.
Some people try to make it sound like he's the guy running everything.
Oh excuse me, Chicago, right, Sorry, sorry, I stepped over
there. I stepped over into Marcello territory there accidentally. But gan Conna comes
up and he's Chicago. Of course, Marcello is the guy from New Orleans.
But anyway, point is that people make statements like that and mix things
up and present it as fact. And they want to tell you that sam
Gy and Kanna, you know, exactly, die of natural causes, which
is true. But a lot of people say that that was because he might
have spilled the beans regarding the mafia's connection to the Kennedy assassination. And they'll
put him, Marcello and Trapicante into that box and say, look, here's
three guys. They ran stuff, and they were running stuff, and if
anybody was responsible, it's these three guys. And oops, some people turned
up dead. Now, Trapacante didn't turn up dead for a long time.
Yeah, something worth noting yes, definitely something worth noting. And you know
Marcello, well, that's an interesting thing because the battle with the Kennedys in
general, the problem where he gets deported to what was the Guatemala yep,
you know, warring with the RFK as the attorney general and the crackdown on
the mob and oops, they wanted to get their casinos back, like I
said, and all of a sudden, it's a totally convoluted discussion. Anyway,
we're going to talk about mister g and Connor tonight and the circumstances surrounding
his death. And Carmine has some information that will be brand new to most
listeners. I'm certain of that. Anyway, Before we go there, Mike
Swanson Wallstreet Window dot Com, of course, being the no go to Wallstreet
Window dot Com, the author of the War State as well as Why the
Vietnam War and a bunch of other books. But those are the two that
I highly recommend. Mike. First, how you doing tonight? I'm looking
forward to this discussion that you and I are not actually the featured presenter here,
but along for the ride. How you doing tonight, Mike? I'm
doing good. Yeah. Carmon's really dug up some interesting new information, There's
no doubt about it. And these deaths that occurred, the g and Connor
murder, it really shook people up when had happened that we're into the Kennedy
assassination back then and congressional investigators and so forth. Because of the timing of
it. Yeah. Coincidentally, I happen to have, you know, the
YouTube shuffle on and May Brussels shows came up on my YouTube shuffle, and
uh, just so happened. She was talking about the different Uh well,
she would just say mobsters directly, and that was usually her term. Uh,
you know, mobsters and Nazis and uh whatever, Oh my May Brussels
show, thank you, good night, ladies and gentlemen. Uh. Constantly
with the Nazis, constantly with the mobsters. And I'm not saying May Brussell
was entirely wrong, but it just so happens. She was talking about this
at a certain point, and I found it interesting, Uh how somebody who
you know, was using open source stuff to do their research, was putting
pieces together and trying to assemble a puzzle. And later on the way that
a lot of people who claim that you know, the mafia is certainly a
key player in the murder of John F. Kennedy. They don't have evidence
to tie them to it. Usually they have lots of suspicion. They've got
lots of likely suspects and all that, but lots of names come up,
and of course, gee, mob guy's turning up dead. Surprised, aren't
you? Uh? Anyway, it's a funny thing, kind of parcel of
the mafia deal. It possibility you could the course of events. Lifespans are
not long if you sign on just saying I mean, it's just like you
mentioned, he is a white whale in the mafia community to live to natural
causes death. Yeah, a guy who was Yeah, a guy who was
around long enough to uh be tied to indeed, yes, uh, you
know, some interesting intrigues during the Kennedy administration. But then, of course
he's also around long enough to uh be on the same boat when the PI
agents, the undercover FBI agents decided to use the same boat that was used
in the abscam sting h and Donnie Brasco is doing his thing. Traypicconte gets
on the boat that the abscam guys got on that they used the FBI used
the same boat. That's a true story, and I always find that funny
in the movie Donnie Brasco. But Carmine, you know what I'm referring to
here, that's a pretty long line as far as being around and being a
powerful guy in the underworld to serve not a lot of old time Besides him,
I'd say a Cardo and a couple others, Well, they'll live on
as advisors or as bosses for longer a bunt the time we'll regain the position
of boss. But it's you don't see a lot of them make it to
their fifty sixties and seventies. Yeah, I mean, outside of that,
there's some guys who never make the headlines, who stay in you know,
say hero and trafficking for thirty forty years, But it's because they never made
the headlines, you know. Yeah, and jen Conna was definitely one that
made the headlines and got the attention of the DOJ early in the fifties from
how brazy he was, how I mean, he did things in my opinion
that were impressive as far as you know who he was going up again,
So it's Sam Jenkanna versus the FBI and I actually read one file where they
had to do a survey on the over one hundred fake aliases he had used
to try to put all these people together as being the same person. Well,
okay, fair enough, Yeah, Mike, go ahead. Oh I'm
just said, goodness, it's all yeah, No, it's Look, it
gets elaborate sometimes when you when you have to get deep into things, it
gets kind of elaborate. Okay. Anyway, Carmie, So where should we
begin? I think we should almost begin with the murder itself, right,
the shocking news that comes out. When did that happen? When did he
die? Let's begin there and talk about how people ran with it for a
moment before you get into I don't know the facts and sure, well,
yeah we can do that, and then I'll try to do a little biographic
material on him, and then yeah, we get into the deeper parts of
the murder and some of the new evidence. Right, So let's begin with
the murder. Right, this happened when exactly. I'm sure you have the
notes in front of you. June nineteenth, nineteen seventy five. He was
shot to death in the basement was an Oak Park, Illinois home by an
unknown killer. And that's another interesting thing. As much as there have been
people and organizations like the CIA blamed for this death, it's unsolved. Right,
It's still officially unsolved. And next year is the fiftieth year it would
be unsolved. So there you have it. But he's okay now. At
the time of his death, what would you say his position in the world
was okay? Exactly? Well, according to from what I've read about him,
and as I discussed with you, from some of the sources and the
not only the documentary sources, but some of the biographic sources I've had a
chance to speak with, he was living in a nice home in Oak Park.
He was still exercising control over some illegal operations, but he was not
the boss. The boss at the time was being advised by Tonia Cardo and
in essence was a Cardo, but Joey Upa was being primed to become the
boss. Now Tonia Cardo'll go into a little bit later. But he was
Giencana's mentor. He was the guy back in the Capone gang that rose up
and basically when he rose, gien Conna rose with him. And eventually when
he quote unquote retired, gien Conna became boss. So at that time in
seventy five, he's you know, he doesn't really have he's kind of as
we'll learn later the States in some of the files, he's a threat basically
because he's an old boss who no one can really control or exercise authority over.
Because he was a boss, no one wanted to confront him because they
knew that he wouldn't back down, right. But at the same time,
he doesn't have any official power, but he still has, you know,
like a mafia bodyguard. He still has people. He's still operating rackets.
He's he's involved, but he's sort of I don't know if you could say
he was independent of them, but it was he was in a sort of
intermediate position. Right now, Here's the interesting part about that they have.
If you have longevity in that business, right that means that you have some
very deep loyalties with people that have solidly made money with you, if they
haven't gone to prison and hadn't been you know, busted out one way or
another. Those are some loyal people that are usually there if they've been with
you over the long haul. And this is the kind of thing that he
had is that sort of loyalty that was outside of just this is the boss,
this is the structure, this is the guy who you got to kick
up to. It went well beyond that, because he had for years had
developed relationships with people in a lot of places, not just in the you
know, the mafia proper, let's say, but all across the criminal underworld.
And indeed he had you know, had to have obviously run across people
in certain government agencies and things like this, not saying that he was,
you know, a collaborator with government agencies per se, but who knows.
But the thing is, these people now know him, they know what his
behaviors are like, they're they're used to him, and he's had a long
standing position, right, So that's a little bit different than somebody who's like,
you know, on the rise, who's out there, you know,
needing to prove something, having to hold onto a position of power, having
to their way through things, their politics are done. They just have now
the establishment of their own personal network, not necessarily based solely on the supposed
or alleged proper structure of LaCOSA nostra. It goes well beyond that. Now,
would you say that's an accurate statement. Yeah. And what is I
think notable too that will come to see as we discuss it more is it's
not wholly proven, but it appears to me at least to be a possibility
that if you look at the manner in which people were dying, instead of
it being connected to the Kennedy case, I think that certain mafia figures died
because they were connected to Jinkanna and they were loyalists. Well, but I
think was that the case, right, Johnny Rosselli, Well, Johnny rozsell
I think the possibilities as far as that goes, would be Richard Kine who
was killed in seventy three, Johnny Rosselli who was killed in seventy six,
and Charles Nicoletti who was killed in seventy seven less than six months after Rizzelle,
or roughly over six months. But all four of those men served GenCon
in a close personal capacity. Roselli was his fixer, He set up all
of his stuff in Las Vegas. They had state friends, and they worked
together on the Castro plots. Right now, I don't think that that has
anything to do but that's just one of the many things they did together.
So and Nicoletti was a similar situation. He was Sam's enforcer. He was
the one who collected for him when he got put in jail in sixty five.
He was a trusted, close friend, and Nicoletti, unlike everybody else
says will come to learn, was the only person whoever had a problem with
a cargo and the bosses for killing for what he believed they killed Sam.
Nicoletti was convinced right because, as we'll come to understand, he learned that
he, in an unintended way, was kind of connected to a situation around
it. Now, these names may sound extremely familiar to somebody who's followed the
Kennedy case for many years for many reasons, but one of the key reasons
might be because it comes up in the narrative given by James Sutton, who
is also known as James Files, who you know, on the sixtieth anniversary
was apparently threatening to show up on the Knowll and show people exactly where he
was standing allegedly right, which I found funny. Mike, Do you remember
that going on when we were in Dallas, that there was the rumor James
Files is going to come out and stand on the Knowll. Yeah, I
did that if people were joking or or if it was for real, you
know, but he didn't show up either way, thank god, as far
as I know, he didn't show up. But there was this very serious
talk that he was going to show up. And again, I agree with
you. I don't know if it was a joke or but it was repeated
a lot, let's say. Anyway, but Files claims to be somebody who
came from Chicago was part of that. And a lot of people with or
without Files have tried to put a gun in Nicoletti's hands in Dealey Plaza.
The problem is Nicoletti is in Chicago being investigated for a murderer at the time.
Yeah, kind of had eyes on him elsewhere. And yeah, but
anyway, gee, that sounds familiar to Karma. So okay, where do
we begin? I guess we should begin now with the biography to get people
an ida in case they've just heard the name and are not sure and just
go, oh, yeah the mob boss and I start throwing some of those
guys to a little bit about each of those those gentlemen that we mentioned as
well, absolutely go right in. Okay, So Salvatory Momo Ginkana was born
during nineteen hundred and eight on the southwest side of Chicago's literally after his parents
arrived in a series of Italian immigration waves had begun during the eighteen sixties.
A young Sam would join various local gangs until the nineteen twenties, when he
developed associations with the criminal syndicate of al Capone. He served as a driver,
we're an enforcer in the component organization until his formal acceptance into Chicago Mafia.
Among the nineteen forties, he aligned himself with Tony Big Tuna Accardo,
and by the end of the next decade, following Akato's retirement, Sam ruled
over the entire Chicago mafia and surrounded himself with infamous allies. He utilized fixer
Johnny Handsome John Rozilli to increase his nationwide gambling rackets. Charles typewriter Nicoletti enforced
Momo's will and managed projects in his absence. Dominic Butchi Blasi was his secretary
and bodyguard, and Richard Scalzetti Kane was Momo's driver and corrupt police official.
Now really quickly, Garmine, just to give people an idea of the diverse
type of business we're talking about here among these gentlemen collectively. This range is
everywhere from your very typical, you know, typically standard mob type stuff in
Chicago, all the way to show business, all the way into literally entertainment.
Yeah, he was dating Judith Campbell exter, he was dating what was
it, the m one of the Maguire sisters. Oh yeah, but not
just in his uh you know, let's call it his social life, but
I mean in his business. He was doing this, Yeah, Johnny ROSSELLI
yeah, was out there trying to represent the interests of the mob. Right.
Uh. You know, there's even the possibility that these guys had little
interests in people like Elvis Presley, uh, you know, and so on
and so forth. Now I can't prove that, but uh it is said
and does seem to have some reliable uh reliable information connected to it. Uh
and and Hollywood and the mafia. This is something that's gone on. But
he also have the Vegas uh you know, interests, so on and so
forth. But it's so diverse that it goes all the way from there to
the castro plots right where. Indeed, just like we read in the uh
you know, the Wonderful Assassination Guide, hiring criminals in order to facilitate certain
things, you know, when they already have established business contacts. Well,
it made sense to get some of these guys who might have been running casinos
in Cuba, you know, under the regime previous to Castro, to maybe
involve them in the get Castro projects. Now, there are some people that
say, well, that was the whole thing. There was a really popular
book there for a little bit that went out there and said it was all
about Cuba, right, it was all about the mob wanted their casinos back
in Cuba, and the only way that they were going to get that is
to kill Kennedy and so on and so on. A completely ludicrous idea,
but you know, the American publican buy it because they don't necessarily understand how
these things were flowing or do flow even to this day. So anyway back
to it, that's a pretty diverse set of business interests, wouldn't you say,
Carmer. Yeah, and that's just some of them. You know,
those are five notables that I found, But yeah, he worked with dozens
of people and dozens of prochas. One interesting one that I mentioned in the
article that's in the references is that he had a cousin, I believe distant
cousin, but it could have been the Direction who was serving in the Illinois
legislature during nineteen sixty three and he was trying to get him to become a
ward captain. Insho pushed out the old ward captain, but that durw an
investigation and they found out what he was doing. So someone so I think
just to consider that for a moment, all the people who you are and
say, oh, you know, they had long planned this, even gian
Connor was kind of busy during nineteen sixty three with other stuff. You know,
unless the sort of plan comes out or documents of a mob plan.
I mean, we've discussed this before. I can understand Jack Ruby. That
makes sense. Mafia connections. You know, he got pushed out of Chicago
and the rackets. He's a minor player, He's easily manipulated. Sure,
the mafia could have I've had a part in Lee Harvey Oswald's death. Oh
yeah, but that doesn't mean they killed jfk Well, and there you go,
okay, and you could in some ways connect you know, you could
connect Ruby to g and Kanna, right, yeah, so you know,
there you go that's it. No, that's not it. He was a
loser. He got pushed out of town. Yeah, if you would have
been strong, jen Kanna would want him to stay, he would have kept
him right. So he was good at but he was still a useful guy
and could oh yeah later on sure. Yeah, but you know, but
here we go. Okay, so Ruby is connected to him as well.
It's not just the Files connection and so on in Castro. No, no,
no, James Files. Smith has nothing to do with any of this.
These people are all legitimate, now, you know, besides Ruby,
but these others are more legitimate gangsters who actually have a real record. They
but it's like with Roselli. People try to work Roselle into some sort of
daily plaza scenario and that doesn't work either because he's at the desert and hotel
under FBI surveillance. Another thing is that Giencanna, Roselli, Nicoletti, most
of them were either under police or FBI surveillance most of the time at the
time in fact. And you know, and the funny thing is they also
try and transform uh you know, uh, this guy's the dawn of what
did they say, the dawn of Hollywood or the don Roselli, he's the
dawn of this or the he was the don or nothing. He was a
good middleman that was able to get things done. It was like a multi
state coppo. Yeah, and that's and that is useful, and I get
it. But this is not a guy who was like running anything. And
that's the funny thing about Giancanna, where you know, again, like you
said, he's not exactly running the show at the time. Anyway, let's
get back to it. You've laid out part of this, and I just
wanted to, you know, just note the diversity and the very interesting,
widespread reasons why this guy could be everywhere doing everything. But now you need
to actually connect him to the assassination. But but anyhow, let's get back
to his assassinad Okay. Interestingly, all of those men I had mentioned besides
Dominic Blasi, were killed in gangland style murders which occurred from nineteen seventy three
to nineteen seventy seven. Cain, who aided Gincana before and following the period,
Sam fled the United States in nineteen sixty six from prosecution, was shot
down with all other patrons in set a restaurant by massed men in Chicago mid
nineteen seventy three. Johnny Rosselli's body was found in pieces within an industrial drum
floating in a Florida Bay amongst nineteen seventy six, and Nicoletti was shot and
left in a burning car in the spring of nineteen seventy seven. The FBI
later quietly investigated Nicolette's murder, and criminal informant statements blame his death on conflicts
with Tony Jacardo, who had remained a force in the underworld following Guiacana's absence.
Each were Gincana loyalists, but only one person was spared the seeming wrath
the Chicago outfit using motive, means and opportunity. When regarding a crime whose
details are in dispute and finding new evidence to form reasonable conclusions is the matter
at hand. Today. I have brought some new evidence for consideration that I
and I would contend when we apply it to other facts from the crime scene,
witness statements, and using the aforementioned requirements, it allows us to provide
answers to the question of who killed sam Gy and Kana. The first wish,
first thing I wish to offer is the popular and unlikely motives that we
have often heard. So the first and probable motive for attacking Sam Giancana was
we can easily roll out as robbery because gen Kana's body, according to investigators,
had fourteen hundred dollars in his pants pocket after being discovered, the most
basic act that thief would undertake was checking in for money and jewelry, and
both are still present after the assassin that fled the crime scene was not ransacked
or valuables, and easier targets or greater financial gain were present across Chicago.
Thus, I would submit this was not a robbery gone wrong, A popular
motive that some of proposed in books and films, would blame the Central Intelligence
Agency for gen Conna's murder. He is among the mafia notables in contact with
officials that also included Johnny Roselli, Santo Trafficante, and Jenkanna under the alias
Sam Gold. The contacts were made by the CIA's Office of Security, using
multiple agents and officers seeking a means to assassinate Fidel Castro. However, the
involvement of Giencanna and Trafficante was limited to some planning and would not bear any
useful operational material, but Rozzelli would continue supporting the plots after Gancana and Trafficante
had left. Yet, even Rozzelli, similar to his criminal superiors, had
no real use in exacting a plot against Fidel Castro. Nevertheless, many believe
the agency was responsible for gene Conna's death because of these associations. However,
there was no reason to kill Gancana because he did not possess an eminent threat.
It had no information regarding the plots beyond his For that, I would
say, for that reason, I want people to understand he was a threat
for other reasons. But for the Castro plots, there was no imminent threat,
and no information regarding the plots beyond his limited participation or what Roselli might
relate to him, was available. I would note the press by the early
nineteen seventy five, far before he was killed, had begun to reveal the
Castro plots, while congressional investigators pursued of effect possible. Sam was called to
testify later that year, but he was killed prior to the date of his
testimony. Those who might assume this was another reason for the CIA to be
responsible may not have consulted several of his former testimonies and his response to questions
posed by multiple Department of Justice and Congressional officials. He would respond, often
by invoking his Fifth Amendment right and in some cases laughing at their attempts to
force him to reply. Throughout the nineteen fifties and sixties, There's one instance
where Robert F. Kennedy calls him a little girl for laughing, or says
he laughs like a little girl because he laughed at them. I thought little
girls laugh, mister Jack, Yeah, yeah, right, go ahead.
Sorry. So despite offers of immunity, years of surveillance, and threats of
spending his life in jail, Sam did not relent and kept his criminal secrets
to himself. Additionally, the CIA had years of opportunities to kill Jancana if
they wished to demise amid the later sixties until nineteen seventy four, when he
was eluding some officials within Latin American countries. If the agency truly wished to
remove Sam, they had stations in every country he visited, an agent's in
the field, they would have the perfect atmosphere to carry out a deadly clandestine
act. It provided literal and political distance and possibly amenable foreign investigators. This
period abroad generated several potential chances for Momo to have a quote accident happened,
as is prescribed in some of the older agency's peb Success operational files. Yet
nothing ever happened to jan Conna when it would have been most opportune for intelligence
officials, and this would support they were not responsible for his death. Consider
that Giancana was a threat where he lived to his enemies, but those who
killed him only acted months after his return to America. Should officials that have
wished to eliminate him, they could have done at any time, but his
enemies in Chicago had to wait for him to return, right, Okay.
Now that's usually the key though, is that they say, well, look,
he was about to testify. That's why they had to get rid of
him, because he was going to finally spill stuff. And no, he
hadn't spilled it before, but now he was finally. What evidence do we
have that there was going to be anything different from his usual elusive behavior that
you described. I don't think we have any you know, no, So
you know, maybe he was being shut down, but not by the agency,
and not because of the threat of the testimony, that makes no sense.
Fatter Well, and I agree with you, And I think that a
little fact that people, you know, when they say that it was because
he was going to testify was the reason they had to kill him, they
don't realize that if if you look into the record, Johnny Roselli, who
knew more about the plots, testified five days after jin Kinna died. Yeah,
so he would have been killed. Well, or if that's what they
were doing, I mean, if they were going to make sure nobody was
going to testify, the guy who knew the most would have found the person
to eliminate, not gen Conna. Well, alternatively, Roselli would have gotten
the message. Okay, oh yeah, there you go too. Yeah,
if Zella would have thought for a moment that anything to do with it.
Yeah, if Sam was being shut down for talking about this, I better
reconsider what I'm about to say. H And that happens all the time.
Okay, Well, when it comes to these guys testifying, is that suddenly
somebody changes their mind. I mean, you know, even if you look
back at that whole thing with Gotti, right and the guy who uh you
know, was going to testify against him in court over a car accident.
If you remember, all of a sudden he figures out this is John and
his memory goes blank. Right, they get a message that this might not
be a good idea to talk and be a real shame if something bad were
to happen. It's sad that that happened to Sam. You know, he
was about ready to talk about some of these things you're about ready to go
talk about. If I was you, I'm just saying I'd think about that,
and that could be a friendly face coming to you to give you a
warning. So yeah, so the CIA needed to get him for the testimony
just doesn't work. That's not a viable reasoning for why he was killed.
You don't have any evidence that backs it up to say that that's what the
deal was. I mean, that's all I'm saying. Yeah, but please
continue because this is an interesting timeline. But a lot of people say,
Nope, they had to kill him because he was going to go testify,
And I go, yeah, but that doesn't make any sense because he's already
proven that he's elusive, gives you know, pleads, the fifth does stuff
like this. He dances around and he's given some testimony already, and they
offered him immunity before and he's refused it. That's the other thing is that
he was also offered immunity people that thought that he might have something to offer
regarding the Kennedy case. He was offered immunity in that case, like if
you have something on this, we'll, you know, give you a pass
here. And you know this is speculation, but from what I've read about
him, he was a fairly proud man if he thought that he could get
them to put on paper that he had killed the president and they would have
to publish it and nothing would happen to him, right, I have a
feeling he would have done that. This is a guarantee that you will go
down in history if you are the mob guy who killed the president and you
can't do nothing about it. I got a minute, Yeah, and they
gave you immunity deal. Yeah no, so just yeah, please continue.
Okay, So where were we? Yeah? So the means I think we
yeah, the timing, the timing Rosellus, Oh yeah, okay, so
yeah, they were they were awaiting him back in Chicago, right, So
the means by which was killed also defy usual methods and have no and the
agency has no inside person with fore knowledge of the crime scene Gencanna's habits,
his schedule, or his full trust. Only the FBI had him under the
sort of surveillance that would provide that right, only the FBI if and I
don't think the FBI did it, Okay, I did have the information of
what was going on in his life to know those things. So it has
to be someone close to him personally. It can't just be some as they
were, as the rap song and Young Guns say, some geek off the
street. Can't be some geek off the street. It has to be someone
who actually is close to him. Now, why does that make sense,
Carmine, Because tell me the circumstances. When he dies, he's like making
breakfast, there's nobody else around, and yes, what how do you know?
Well? Okay, so okay, So the Chicago outfit this will lead
into into your question. So the outfit, in my opinion, had distinct
and officially recorded motives to eliminate Giancanna before his extensive criminal reputation and connections might
allow him to regain lost power in Chicago. Giancana, according to FBI investigative
documents, was considered a threat to Tony Ycardo's power. As we stated before,
Sam's former boss and mentor, and he was bringing renewed attention to the
mob. That's the reason why he originally was displaced. They were afraid the
Justice Department just wouldn't let up in the sixties, what the Kennedys had started,
the Johnson administration continued and the FBI began to surveil him everywhere, planting
bugs and Barsi'd go to. He wasn't going to get away, so the
mob basically said you half step aside, which drove him out of the country
because he knew they'd just started to try to prosecute him and he wasn't going
to testify. So Giancanna was allegedly also romancing a different mobster's wife and had
discussed possibly regaining more of his former criminal territory. This information alone does not
implicate the mafia, but establishes, with some evidence, more reasonable motivations to
kill Giancanna that do not require speculation. Giancanna was a rightfully paranoid man that
was under government surveillance almost constant leader in portions of his life due to his
criminal undertakings, but to get close to him, as we said, required
a trusted friend with the right weapon. Public information regarding the origin of the
Gencana murder weapon has been limited, and not until the more recent JFK records
releases did such information emerge. Following the twenty seventeen GfK releases, there was
so much information a process I had to start archiving files with just a basic
description and possible use. After one thousands of such files, I then had
to make folders to organize the files with added in infation and set them aside
to process morphiles. Right, and let's not forget let's not forget here that
if you're somebody who's considering killing Sam g and Connam, and you know,
he knew he was under surveillance constantly. I mean to the point of he
was literally when they were putting new undercover guys on him, he knew about
it, and he would approach them himself. One of my favorite things that
actually read in the FBI documents, they were complaining that he said that he
was always under surveillance. Because he's not always under surveillance. It's like,
okay, guys five days a week. Yeah, But anyway, he would
literally approach some of these that FBI guys. So all right, so he
knew it. Other people on the street knew it. So here's your problem.
You know that you're constantly under surveillance. That means government eyes are on
this guy. That means somebody going to try and get up close to him
and kill him is going to be seen by the people that are surveilling him.
Yes, so you know, should have been seen. So it gets
weird here because yeah, that currently weren't surveilling in that most important time period
apparently, yes. But again this is because and I'm telling you, this
guy's cooking breakfast by the way, you know, but like night snack,
which one to call it, almost but either way. Uh so, you
know, and he's not accompanied by anybody. He's not in the middle of
anything. This isn't, you know, spark steakhouse. Okay, all right,
go ahead, Okay. So, So, like I said, after
going through all of that and still trying to organize all of it, one
of the files that I had put aside years ago that I was that I
finally came back to that I knew was worthwhile and helped me dig into more
of this was something about Giancana's murder weapon. So the weapon used to kill
Sam Giancanna was a twenty two automatic pistol equipped with a silencer. But this
weapon was one of a pair that was purchased by an unknown criminal from the
Ta Miami Shop in Florida amidst nineteen sixty five. The gun business was regarded
by the FBI later as a dummy corporation that did illegal arms trades with criminals
and Cuban exiles. The other pistol related to the Giancana weapon was used in
the still unsolved murder of Outfit associate August Maniaci, a murder whose prime suspects
were gangster Paul Shiro being the shooter and his driver, Charles Nicoletti. This
would confirm to the This would conform to the hit squads that Nicoletti was leading
at the time that's available in other documents in the course of the sixties and
seventies in which he oversaw and planned murders and shows assassins. Yet a key
piece of information is the weapons are in the possession of the Chicago Outfit at
the time of Giancana and Maniaci's later death right, so we can establish where
the means emerged. Not the CIA, but the Mafia provided the weapon used
to kill Sam Gancana. Right so, Giancana's driver and bodyguard, Dominic Blasi,
has been deemed by some the murderer over several years based on known circumstances,
but now definitive answer was possible. However, after reviewing the evidence and
more recent available FBI documents, I must agree with that assessment. The suspect
pool, based on witness statements, official surveillance, and access to the weapon
is quite limited. Of those criminal suspects, only Blazi knew Giancana's home well,
was present at the crime scene just before the murder, where Giancana had
been cooking, which consumes precious time. As Chuck mentioned in the Small Window,
he can be killed unobserved, and this would mean he had to turn
his back to whomever was there when he did so. Dominic Blazi was a
trusted friend and Sam had no reason to suspens in his life. Among the
details known to the killer was the sound proofing within the basement ceiling, a
loud air conditioner upstairs, a recessed door that partially obstructed the view from upstairs,
and the basement exit to leave unseen while some factors might not conceal the
sound of gunfire, with the addition of a silencer as we know is used
and a loud television that appears to be what occurred, the suspect leaves unseen
out the back before Genecana's body is discovered, less than thirty minutes from the
last time he's seen alive. Yet the role of Dominic Blasi has been overshadowed
by claim of agency responsibility and was hidden in some instances by the FBI.
Unknown to the Chicago outfit was that Blasi had made several contacts with the Bureau
and his status as a criminal informant. While most of the information Blasi offered
the FBI regarded sam Jenkana and himself, it appears he was loyal to summon
the mafia, but not its leader. The Bureau had concealed the murder weapon
information from the public to likely protect their source of useful information, and in
doing so have kept its association to be revealed to the public. Blasi,
when later suspected and questioned, would not testify about the death of Giancana to
a grand jury, further cementing the Chicago Syndicate's role in sam Jiancana's death were
reports from three FBI criminal informants that stay quote, the word is still out.
He Jiancana had it coming and a cardo ayupa and the rest of the
people are satisfied with a job well done. Okay, the Bureau's source.
I'm sorry, go ahead. I just want to stop you for a second
and ask Mike, do you have any thoughts thus far on this? Mike?
Uh, I mean, I'm just listening to what Karma's saying. He's
going into good detail on it. No, it's excellent. And of course
the other thing that people bring up about this is the manner in which he
was shot and all this kind of thing that this was a message being sent.
And here's the thing that's sort of flair. That kind of a thing
not something the agency does. Now, some people might argue that, well,
the agency hired the mob to do it. But you know, here
we go once again. Yeah, I would answer to that the Roselle thing.
Then why didn't Roselle die? Right? Right? So they're going to
cut everybody off before they can testify. Then, like you all said earlier,
though, what's the reason. What was he going to say of course
he's dead, so we don't know. But is there any reason to think
he was going to say something that was so important that they would have to
eliminate him, Well, you know, I doubt it. Well I agree
with that assessment because I know you guys have looked at him fairly extensively,
and I've looked over the castro plots, documents, all the stages, you
know, Phase one, two and three, and you know, we even
contributed to some of the stuff on phase three on the show to show you
know, new documents and things. So it's not a question of that it
was going on. I'm sure it was going on, but the mafia was
gone before Phase one was even halfway through. They knew they had the poison
pill, all the nonsense that they had suggested, and it turned out really
just to be what's funny is is the people don't ever The only thing that
might be a motive to want to kill Giancana was that he blackmailed the CIA
because he had spied on Judith Campbell Exner legally with sound sound equipment and they
were going to charge him for that. But Giancanna said, oh yeah,
well then I'll tell everybody about the Castro plots. So they had to get
Bobby Kennedy to give the okay for the DOJ to get rid of that indictment.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and no, I think the government
was just like, just get him away from us. He's a problem,
he's got Anything he does is going to have strengths, no way to deal
with it. And here's the other problem is earlier on in the timeline.
If you're the CIA, this guy is already an issue long before his death.
You got a decade here, Yeah, at least where he could have
make an accident happen, you know. And and if you would have gotten
rid of him in you know, sixty five, Uh, nobody would have
thought about it because nobody knew about any of this stuff yet, it would
have just you know, you make that look like an accident, make that
look like something else, right, And look, it's a it's a dangerous
business. It's a you got a high fatality rate, you know, in
that point, especially in all the other countries too. As soon as he
goes to a country where it's not there isn't a real strong central government,
you can make all sorts of things happen, right, You could just make
him. You know that, then you could make him the victim of guess
what, a robbery, a random robbery where they just happened to kill the
mob guy. And as you said about the signature, that is true too.
Only usually professional criminals. Are people wanting to stand out give that many
shots as a message? Right? And what was just killing someone to What
are we talking about specifically, Carma? I just for the listener who doesn't
know the mafia, the mafia hit men, certain hit men. Yeah,
but you would would try to be flamboyant in the way that they killed someone,
right in this than wanted to go under the radar like the agency would
if they were trying to kill something. Right in this case, what are
we talking about? Because what happened here? Oh he was shot. He
was shot I believe once or five times from behind something like that, Yeah,
and then turned over. He was shot at an ordan amount of times,
right, more than more than necessary. One shot to where to his
head would have killed him, right. I mean, look, a couple
of sometimes you got to you gotta tap at twenty two a couple of times
because it's a light, you know, Okay, But the thing is a
couple of times in the back of the head with the twenty two. You
should be done. But no, this guy was turned over and then shot
in the mouth. All right, so uh yeah, this doesn't look good.
Uh, this looks like again, not an agency kill. You know,
the agency is more of the personality of let's shoot him with an ice
bullet because that'll melt yeah, you know, you know, yeah seven,
But I mean the agency is more more like it, like I said,
let's shoot him with an ice bullet or something, because the projectile will melt
away. That'll be the end of it. There'll be a hole and no
projectile that far. You know what, just dose, somebody falls down the
stairs something like that. You know, older guys fall down the stairs,
right exactly, or you know that's actually one straight out of the manual,
like the hilariasis. Yeah he fell out the window, yeah exactly. No,
he fell out the window. Was his neck broken before he fell out
the window? Maybe? But it's okay. Uh yeah. Well, and
I think once you you know, you had the the long standing information and
a lot of the information that it's likely rested upon Blasi. But once that
once I was able to close that window down to less than a half an
hour while Giancana's cooking. Another thing that I that I noticed when I was
looking over the case file, it was there was no smoke in the basement.
M hm, So that food couldn't have been cooking that long, right,
he didn't, you know what I mean? So you give ten minutes
for the preparation nobody else is you're gonna tell me that someone wandered in in
a twenty minute window to the back of sam g and Conna's and killed him
and was able to vanish with no one seeing him or hearing it. Right.
And here's the other thing, is all these circumstances lead you to believe
that this is somebody that got you know, they didn't break in suddenly bust
in the place and you know, and go shooting it up. It wasn't
one of the things too. I was gonna just say real quickly. THEFI
I mentioned that when they wanted to get a temperature amongst the underworld basically to
see what they thought. There was no talk of revenge from anybody but Nicolotti.
See, and there you have it again, right, because why is
there no cross talk like that? Because it's known what happen. Yeah,
Because somebody from on high gave the order. That's what they actually said.
And they talk about how you know if they mentioned Blasi, and they say,
if Blasi got the order, he had no choice. It doesn't matter
if you're his friend, it doesn't matter anything. You have to do what
your ordered to do. That's it. And like I said, your friends
are the most likely suspects, because again, who's going to be you know,
who's he turning his back on while he's at the stove, right,
Yeah, seriously, his bodyguard, his driver, you know, his longtime
friend, his friend, somebody who came by that he had an appointment with
that you know, they don't write down things in an appointment book. But
he's gonna come by and I have a chat with him. Okay, fine,
I'm cooking some eggs. Let's talk. Uh, and you know so,
and there's no struggle, there's no well and then he didn't take it
by I mean, I'm not saying that Blasi always because Joe Prizio, the
caretaker and his wife, you know, something like they're important people to the
mob or anything, right, But he left and didn't say anything. Right.
That's just strikes me as odd that in that small brief window we were
just talking about. Blasi just wandered away, didn't notice that anything, you
know, just I guess I'll leave now right before this happens. Yeah,
well, of course. Anyway, please continue on though, because this is
this is the most interesting and okay, yeah, yeah, So the Bureau
files stated it had to be someone that was had the complete confidence of g
and Kanna to be able to get close enough to kill him. And everyone
should note that all this was hidden, like all these all these Bureau files
were sealed in the JFK files. In my opinion, they had nothing to
do with the I mean beyond I think the way the Bureau was able to
hide them was it was via Exner and because there was talk in part of
one page of the file of Exner, who was connected to the JFK case,
right, got deep sixth Yeah, when you have people that are common
between two individuals, you're tracking them on one half, you can't have them
disappear and okay, we can't talk about them now. So this is where
the problem is, right, And it's not because they were you know,
oh, clearly this is a cover up for the Kennedy assassination. No,
it's because he had a couple of common associates in common. This is what
the thing is. And there's more to it than that too, because don't
forget, what does everybody else bring up to when they start talking about Chicago.
Well, the Chicago mafia helped the Kennedy steal the election? You know
that that whole story too, right? Yeah? Yeah, So you know,
look, is it a truth that there were people in the Chicago outfit
that knew some of Kennedy's people and did they have friends in common? Did
they have this one lover in common? Yeah, that's what I'm saying here.
So that's enough right there to deep six this because you don't want to
be talking about well, you know, meanwhile, this associate is going to
see the president or whoever. Right, So yeah, that's exactly what happened,
So please continue. Okay. Yeah, So, like I said that,
one of the big things the FBI noticed, and one of the things
I think that helps cement to Blasi as being our suspect, is that they
had that, you know, beyond all the other circumstances, and beyond that
he was the only one president in the window, and beyond that he left
without saying anyone that he was among those who didn't bid revenge. If Blasi
was this true ally, this true friend, why didn't he do what Nicoletti
did? And the FBI will go on in later documents that I cite in
the article to think that perhaps Nicoletti was killed because he was a Junkana loyalist,
which is which makes me think that there's the possibility not for the JFK
case, but for the death of each of those loyal lists because of their
connection to Jana. Right, anybody who's going to complain about this now has
got to go as well, because they weren't along. And that's the thing.
It's it's not because they don't care what happened. It's because they have
an explanation in HND. Because what happens when a mob guy is killed and
nobody saw it coming, right, it's not an authorized hit. It's not
knowing what happened. These guys run around for a little bit going what the
hell happened? First of all, you can see it in the wiretaps.
You see it in the communications. They call each other up on the phone,
Hey do you know what happened over there? I mean, this is
the way it goes, this didn't happen in the case of Giancana dying.
There weren't people making these inquiries. Hey, does anybody know what happened over
there? No? No, and now and then that there was no talk
of revo. What I think is interesting too, is is I think Roselli,
in his own way, he wasn't as bold as Nicoletti. He didn't
try to confront a Carter or say it was wrong and that no, you
know, whoever did Sam was wrong for killing him. I think that Rosselli.
If you notice Roselli retired in seventy five, right, I think Rozelli
just stepped back. He didn't want to be next. Well, but that's
the thing. Unfortunately it didn't matter where he went. Well, but there
you go. Look, I mean, once it's signed and sealed. But
that was his attempt to say, you know what, all right, fine,
I'm I'm done here. Okay, No, I'm not a threat to
anybody because I'm out. And that was the move there. So really this
leads me more to believe in everything you're laying out, plus other things I
know are showing me. This is more about, you know, what a
threat was gotten rid of because of the hierarchy on the street. That's how
it was about move the entire Genkana infrastructure, which required Caine's death, which
Cain could have been the first step. Once Giancana was dead, then they
had to rely on the most powerful loyalists, Roselli and Nicoletti. Roselli backs
off, he retires, and then he's killed. The next year, Nicoletti
presses the issue. I think Nicoletti pressed it too. I don't know if
he maybe he knew the actual person who bought them, but I have a
feeling Nicoletti might have found out later on that the partner gun that killed Sam
was the one he used on another job that they might have come from.
I mean, if anybody had a shot to know where it came from.
He was the guy in charge of assassinations the mob, right, So but
clearly if he's complaining about it, he wasn't in on it, and they
kind of almost linked him in a sick way to it by using it for
the Maniaci murder, Which is another problem here where purposely almost somebody will do
that, I mean, and these guys will turn around and use the same
gun, so that you got a ballistic connection I've heard of this before where
that's done on purpose, you know, where it's like, well, we're
trying. Oh, I'm sure there were used another Yeah, they both weapons
have been used. I'm sure in prior I had been sixty five, So
for ten years these guns were probably in use in various crimes. Well,
either that or they sit around waiting for something that you want to connect us
or something special. Yeah, you know, and that's the thing. You
got this thing. You know it's a murder weapon, all right, so
you keep this. This is how murder weapons get discovered. How come this
guy held outrun by it? I'm looking as we're speaking that I found a
newspaper article about Rosselli. And I'm not going to read the whole thing to
you, but it's it's a Miami newspaper nineteen seventy six, and just the
first paragraph says that the killers of John Rosselli gave him the traditional gang laying
farewell drink. Then they strangled him and shot him in the belly so that
abdominal gases would not cause us by to float. But they miscalculated. He
suffered from the sema, which created pockets in his body anyway, and that
lifted the the gallon fifty five gallon oil drum that they put them in in
the surface of the of the bay, and that's how he was discovered.
But evidently they when they did the atops, they were able to figure out
that they gave him, that he drank something and he was shot in the
belly and strangled. Well, I don't that doesn't sound like CIA stuff either.
No, but you know, being shot in the belly and strangled and
the people be that close to you that are doing this to you. Well,
and a lot of people think that they chop them up so that they
can separate, you know, identifying marks in this kind. Truth is,
it's actually the methodology you just described. There a completely intact body, especially
if you don't disrupt the the abdominal cavity will blow up because, like like
you said, the gases in there begin to expand from i'm the action of
decay. And a lot of times, you know, these bodies they turn
up a little while later, they seem to float to the surface later if
they're not, you know, really really heavily weighted down. Well, a
shortcut is make sure that you don't have an inflatable area a bladder, so
to speak, that inflates. Afterwards, you get rid of the body you
disturb that you can't inflate. It's not going to become a flotation device basically,
And here's here's another paragraph for you. There are indications that the seventy
one year old Roselle was prepared for his last treat He was a poor to
have spurned the advice of a Washington lawyer to stay under cover because because he
felt his time was running out for medical reasons. The fisima, Well,
look, I can tell you that even if you listen to, like say,
Sammy the Bull as a podcast, right, Sammy the Bullgravalla, you
listen to him talk about some of the circumstances where he had to go get
rid of somebody he knew. A lot of times, there's a little bit
of a ritualistic thing that goes on. Look, we were always friends.
I'm here to kill you. They will sit, have a final drink,
have a little talk. Hey, listen, do me a favor. Don't
shoot me in the face. You know, stuff like this goes on.
Literally, it's true story. I know it sounds hollywood ish and a lot
of things are exaggerated. In Hollywood. But there are stories all the time
about this kind of thing, So that's believable as well. Somebody could have
very easily. I mean, even if you watch the Sopranos, right when
when they decide to get rid of you know, bumping saroh there on the
boat, what do they do. They all get a drink. They all
get a shot at tequila. I think, right, what's interesting now that
you bring that up. I mean, this is just in the side.
It doesn't, you know, prove anything in and of itself. But when
Deep Paricio just before he left Giancana and Blasi alone, Blazi had been bothering
him for a glass of sky. Okay, well, so Blosi was in
the mood to drink right before whatever happened. That jen kind of happened.
Well, if you ever notice though it's a common trope. You can see
it again evidenced in these Hollywood movies. But it's a real life thing about
like if you remember in The Godfather, here how a drink? Now tell
your Godfather? What's going on? The idea of you have a shot of
liquor before you deal with something significant. The shot you know a little bit
of a little bit of alcohol before you're gonna get shot or you gotta go
kill somebody, Okay, it says the story. The paragraph later on a
quote. Examiners found a small amount of alcohol in Result's body, about the
equivalent of one drink. Right, Investigators learned that he hadn't had anything to
drink at home that morning, Nor is any evidence that he stopped at a
bar after leaving. Yeah, that tells me that a friend probably killed him
and sat there. He said, Look, it's sad you're not leaving you
alive. Okay, but tell them I'm sorry. Go ahead. Oh,
the last paragraph stop of the story. But former CI director William Colby,
while meeting the agency enlist of Riselli and g and Conna in an unfulfilled plot
against Castro, he said, I can guarantee you see he had nothing to
do with their deaths in this instance. I do believe this CIA director.
Well, Kobe was one of the rare, more honest ones who actually revealed
some of the CIA secrets to Congress when he didn't have to, as opposed
to Dulles and others who were forced kolby himself. You know, he had
a strange death too. That not that is very strange if I were gonna
if I have to place a bet on Sam g and Connor or William Colby
being killed by the CIA, Sam and Conna, I gotta tell you that.
Look, you see the big difference here though, Okay, Roselle ends
up in a drum chopped up. Toby has an accident on a boat,
okay, which obviously must have been a suicide jackson, which you know because
I'll tell you anytime I'm suicidal, I'm going to row a boat out by
myself. And I know, come on, you know this is the big
difference here. Okay, that's what happens. Okay, So that's what a
c I A murder looks like, you know, not saying that I know
for sure about quothetically hypothetically looking at the murder guy. That's the way to
do it, hypothetically. And yeah, we're backed by certain agency documentation that
says this is how you do it, by the way, but nothing in
uh the the uh you know, assassination guy talks about making sending a message,
making a point of it. No, in fact, that's the exact
opposite what that That's why, as you know, we've we've said before and
not just reiterated that that's why this death. You know, I'm glad we've
been able to contribute some more information so we have a better picture of a
better answer with more evidence. But ultimately, one of the big reasons why
this wasn't ever likely a CIA death is because it attracts attention. As I've
said before, James Bond is the worst spy in the history of spies because
he attracts attention. Everybody. The guy in the back of the room,
the little fat guy with a house drink. Everybody knows this guy's name,
Everybody knows what he drinks when he comes into the bar and he has a
crowd gathered around him. This is not the five or I six guy you
want to hire. Okay, you know, so that's the that's the piano
player right now, the guy who's who's really the I five, I six
guys pushing a broom? Okay, you know what I mean, that's what
he's all about. I mean the word clandestine means something, Yeah, it
does, it actually does. So all right, so car am I,
where where's Let's let's bring this to a to a head, if you will,
because I think this is a worthy discussion. But again people jump the
conclusions and they you know, confabulate things there together and they make these composites
out of stuff. You're sending a message that's not the CIASMO. You know,
you're able to get in with a guy at a very particular time.
He got a very suspicious individual who's coming in and out, who doesn't even
bitch about it afterwards, looks to me like, you know, yeah,
he what else can you do when you have all the facts of the crime
scene pointing to one person, only one person has access and the fore knowledge.
Oh another thing that they had to have fore knowledge to know there was
a recessed door that was partially closed that obstructed the body's view from the stairs.
So they even knew that at certain point the stairs you could see the
body. So if they just pulled this recess stor just a little bit farther
to be harder, and it would take a little longer to find him.
Yeah, So you had to have intricate knowledge of the gien Kanna home.
You had to have intricate knowledge that Sam always left the back door and locked
all a certain time. You had to know you could come and go through
the back without being seen. You had to know that the air conditioner was
loud, that there was soundproofing. It's too much to be a quinn.
Someone has to know these things, and there's only a couple of people that
do. And Dominic Blasi is the only enforcer who is present with him during
the short window of roughly twenty minutes, right and again and again, when
you have the associated weapons, right, I mean, you know, come
on, yeah, when the weapons come from the mob, when there's no
talk of revenge, when a Cardo and Ayuba are pleased by a job well
done, quote well done, right, right, so you know they're not
sending thank you notes to the CIA for a job well done. Yes,
same, yeah, okay, anyway, well and and like we discussed earlier,
Ny, I think Johnny Roselli really turns it for me. Were people
who want to say it's it's not because if they were going to kill someone,
they would have killed the person with the most intelligence, and that was
Johnny. They would have taken him out before he could testify. Not Gana
Jenkanna was a threat to the mob, the Chicago Mafia, and a Cardo
had to deal with him quickly because if they didn't Let's say that he would
have been successful and he'd started to regain some of his territory, and then
people like Rosselli and Nicoletti went hard to back him. They could push out
Akrdo and whoever he wanted to be the successor exactly. So there you have
it, U. It looks like the means, the motive, and the
opportunity all seemed to fall elsewhere, not with the agency, not with the
you know, the FBI or whatever. You don't have a government agency here
behaving like this, I'm just saying. And clearly, even though there's a
guy that you know, was mixed in with people who worked with government agencies,
that is not his primary job. And again the aftermath, the way
people behave, Like I said, if it was something that they were blindsided
by because the agency took care of this guy, you would have seen the
static of what the hell just happened to our guy, Sam, You know
what I mean? You would well, And I just wanted to mention too,
you know, as you guys, when we brought up Johnny Roselli's murder,
that wouldn't have just been a Chicago thing. They would have needed permission
from trafficante or the order had to come from traffic Conte to take out Johnny
Roselli. That's in his territory, Yeah exactly, because you can't be doing
that when it's somebody, Yeah exactly, it's outside of Chicago. So this
goes beyond a Cardo to go get Rosselli if you want to, Yeah,
if you want to take out all of his which is crazy that they're still
trying. I mean, I don't we can't say for sure about Rosselli,
but certainly Giencanna and certainly Nicolette. But to me, it amazes me that
they were still killing people in seventy seven and Sam was dead in seventy five.
Yeah, right, And look, there's a lot of reasons why somebody
might have wanted to try and get rid of these guys. Anyway. Okay,
so there's many possible motives, but you know, what looks good,
looks good. So anyways, what else, excuse me, what else do
we need to know? Carmine and Mike, do you have any final questions
here? Oh? No, you're doing a good job covering at all.
Okay, So I'm glad you guys help The audience enjoyed it, and yeah,
I will We'll let you know. I'm probably gonna work more on this
case. It's definitely, you know, try to find out every little bit
that I possibly can, try to expand what we know as much as possible.
But it certainly it's a step in the right direction. And you know,
now we actually know where the murder weapon came from, which I think
opens up you know, all the other mob connections and why the FBI hit
it, which shouldn't be overlooked as well. Once again, the FBI is
hiding illegal activities by its informants because it doesn't want them associated with the bureau,
right right, And as I said, it's not just about the mafia
here, it's about any organized situation. The Klan comes to mind first,
but it's not the only two places this goes on. I would even say
that some of the violence that erupted among activists, even the you know,
like let's just go with the Black Panthers and the various you know, organizations
that were connected to that, and you have some violence going back and forth
here. The FBI doesn't want you to know that some of these guys were
their people, you know, who were participating in this anyway, So all
that having been put out there, what is the link that they can go
to at tepok tpaak dot com, which, by the way stands for two
Princes and a King, which happens to be the title of Carmine's book,
which is a concise review of three assassinations from the nineteen sixties, which I
didn't mention before but need to mention it now. And I recommend that book
as well, just like I recommend Mike's books. But at teapoktpaak dot com,
what is the headline of the article there? I'm going to put in
the show notes for you guys out there to follow along and read afterwards.
But what is it comline? It's the Death and Time of a Gangster Part
two. There you go, and it was a part two years in the
making because they were the original one, I believe twenty sixteen or seventeen about
Johnny Rozselli. Just another unsolved mafia murder that people always attribute some link to
the DFK case. There you go, and look, you had to put
the files aside, and it took a little time to get back to it,
and you ended up with a big stack of stuff. So sometimes these
things take time and definitely well worth the wait. So more to come,
slowly but surely exactly. I got to wait through them. More to come
and who knows what else is in the files but tpaak dot com and once
again the the what is the title of the article again the Death in Times
of a Gangster? The Death and Times of a Gangster Part two, And
like I said, I have that noted and I already have the links there.
I put it in the live Chatroomadochelli dot com, thanks, which you
can always roll back, but it'll also be in the show notes with this
podcast meanwhile, and in there, yeah, oh, I just want to
say real quick in there at the end of the article and the references are
all the NARA numbers. All you have to do is just copy and paste
that number into Google and it'll take you to the National Archives. You can
whatever. I don't have a link, you can look at yourself. There
you go, so you can examine the documentation for yourself, because he's given
you the NAR references. Anyway, Mike Swatson, again, glad to have
you along. I know you didn't put much in on this one, but
this was definitely educational. I would say, how do you feel about it?
I enjoyed this, and I think Carmi did some solid work here to
put a realistic context and spin on this thing that people speculate about regarding the
Kennedy case all the time. What do you think about it, Mike?
Oh, for sure, I think it's well worth people's time to go back
and listen to this show. Hopefully it'll be you know, archived on the
internet. People will do that because, as you said, it's something that
comes up quite free, these deaths that happened to Ginkan and Rosselli and a
few others in the nineteen seventies, right, And it's always a guarantee that
these guys are on the list of inconvenient deaths. I see it every week.
Every week I see this, and they try to put one hundred and
fifty people on there, and some of them didn't die until nineteen eighty six,
but you know, they needed to get him out of the way anyway.
Yeah, those generational hit squads. Apparently generational hit squads. That's hilarious.
Perfect. But you know what, sometimes you can read articles like that
at Wall Street window dot com because it's not just about Wall Street but but
not that often occasionally Carmine contributes over there, so you never know. But
anyway, be in the no go to Wallstreet Window dot Com. And although
Mike is not going to write about this kind of stuff in his book on
Vietnam, you know, who knows, maybe one day he'll consult Carmine or
collaborate with Carmine on his is a definitive JFK book that I imagine that Swanson
could write about, you know, a few years from now, what he's
done with his Vietnam series. But here I am telling you what to write
next, Mike, what do you think of that? Well, they need
to come out there you go, and it'd be great to see that.
Look, I love the way Mike writes. So again The War State and
Why the Vietnam War both books I recommend by Michael Swanson, Wallstreet Window dot
Com. Sorry I studied stuttered there, Wallstreet Window dot Com the website and
Carmine Sabistano. Two Princes and a King okay again, the concise review of
three assassinations from the nineteen sixties, the two princes being, of course JFK
and HARFK, and the King being doctor Martin Luther King Junior and obviously Carmine
you know somehow crams that all into one book, but you can definitely check
that out. I recommend that as well. So there you have at Carline
Sabastano and Mike Swanson with me here on a Thursday. And I think this
qualifies as a We used to call this Sinister History Night on the Ocelly Effect,
but uh, maybe we'll get to another myths episode soon and who knows
what else we might do next. So no matter who has history, yeah,
it does. So no matter who you are, where you are,
when you are, remember this. Uh. And I'm glad that Mike Swanson
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