WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:05.160 This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:10.560 sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:12.720 --> 00:00:17.160 Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm Tanya, and together we are Crimes and 4 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:38.119 Consequences, a true crime podcast. Hi, everybody, Welcome to this week's 5 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:42.880 episode of Crimes and Consequences. I am Talia. This is my lovely co 6 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:48.479 host, Tanya. We are excited to have you back here with us this 7 00:00:48.520 --> 00:00:52.759 week, and we want to thank True Crime Daily for hosting us on oir 8 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:58.079 YouTube channel, and for all those listening, whatever their favorite podcast is, 9 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:04.840 we want to thank you for listening. 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And for 19 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:49.920 those that don't know, Tany and I are lawyers and we like true crime 20 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.680 exactly and food, yes, and we sometimes combine the two, but not 21 00:01:53.799 --> 00:02:00.840 here. And I like vodka but not right now. Yeah. So this 22 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:07.719 is again a really interesting story. This story takes place in the island of 23 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:13.080 Oahu. It's in Hawaii. Yeah you knew that. Yes, okay. 24 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:19.520 It's the third largest island there and is dubbed the Heart of Hawaii. I've 25 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:22.360 always wanted to go. I had a chance to go, and I don't 26 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:25.960 want to go. Why it was nine hour flight ooh and five hour time 27 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:30.759 difference. Oh, I still would have went lazy, Yeah, I know. 28 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:37.000 Okay. Anyway, this island is home at to golden beaches. I 29 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:42.280 mean, it's Hawaii, miles of untamed waters and plenty to do and see. 30 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:49.360 The story takes place in nineteen eighty two, and there's this illusion of 31 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:55.400 safety on the island, but this was shattered when nineteen year old Lisa Ao 32 00:02:55.919 --> 00:03:05.479 mysteriously disappeared. And this story has continued to haunt Hawaii for almost forty years. 33 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:07.759 So I'm gonna give you a little background, okay, okay. On 34 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:14.919 July twenty fifth of nineteen sixty two, sixty two, Chester and Patrise Patrise 35 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:21.680 sorry Ao welcome their daughter Lisa into the world. Chester was a mechanic and 36 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:28.479 Patrise was a waitress. They raised Lisa and she had ended up having two 37 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:35.879 other younger siblings in a multi cultural home. Chester was Chinese and her mother, 38 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:40.840 Lisa's mother, Patrise, was Hawaiian. But this story actually takes place 39 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:46.800 in nineteen eighty two, and this is when Lisa is nineteen years old and 40 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:52.159 she's, you know, transitioning from being a child into adulthood. Except now 41 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.080 it's like twenty nine. Yeah, and when you do that, yeah, 42 00:03:54.199 --> 00:04:00.400 back then you could say that. But and her life came to a tragic 43 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:05.560 again. In nineteen eighty Lisa graduated from a Catholic school called mary Knolls. 44 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:14.120 She then, after the summer, spent eight months getting a certificate as a 45 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:19.120 hairdresser for the Trendsetter Beauty College. She ended up getting a job as a 46 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:29.879 hairdresser and she worked at a place called Susan Beer's Salant, and eventually there 47 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:34.639 she met a coworker named Candy Mainz, and she decided, you know what, 48 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:39.680 I want to move out. Oh, move out of mom and Dan's 49 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.279 house. Yes, okay, I want to be on my own. So 50 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:47.920 she moves in with Candy Mainz in kaalua oahou. I think that's right. 51 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:53.959 At the time, she was dating a man named Doug Holmes. Now, 52 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:58.839 Doug was a student. He was twenty three years old and he went to 53 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:03.160 the university why. He was studying to be an engineer. He lived in 54 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:11.160 the dorms there, which ended up being about thirty minutes away from Lisa's apartment. 55 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:15.360 They met at a restaurant when he was a server. Oh, they 56 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:21.920 hit it off. That's cute. It's cute. On January eighteenth, Lisa 57 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:28.240 got her driver's license. She just got it. Just got her driver's license, 58 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:31.319 and her father helped her buy her first car. It was in nineteen 59 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:36.439 seventy six brown Toyota. I don't know what make it was, but it 60 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:44.120 was a It was a Brown Toyota. So she's got she'd only been working 61 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:47.600 at the salon for five weeks. Just moved in with Candy, just got 62 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:53.879 her license, just got a car, and she is ready to take on 63 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:59.800 the world. Thank you, you're welcome. It's January twenty first and this 64 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:03.360 nineteen eighty two, and it started like any other day for Lisa. She 65 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:10.759 woke up, got herself ready, drove to the Susan Beer salon. Her 66 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:14.879 shift ended at nine pm, but she had to like clean up the station 67 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:21.199 around her, and so it was roughly about nine forty five pm when she 68 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:27.959 was done cleaning up everything and ready to go outside and leave, ready to 69 00:06:28.000 --> 00:06:32.639 go, but there was torrential rains. So on the part of the island 70 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:38.439 that they're at, it's it's kind of like there's I don't know if it's 71 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:43.199 a mountain or a hill, forgive me, but one side gets like a 72 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.439 little bit of like gets blasted, and the other side doesn't get as much 73 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:53.759 rain. So she's on the side that she's getting there getting blasted and it's 74 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:59.079 not like a normal storm. It's bad. She calls her mom and she 75 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:01.639 says, you know, I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna go visit my boyfriend 76 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:08.920 Dog and his sister, Kristen. I'm gonna go to Kristen's house and that 77 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:15.000 is in my Kiki. It's about a thirty minute drive and she's gonna go 78 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:18.040 have dinner with them, and her mom is like he's out in the storm. 79 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:21.600 You just gotta let your license. Yeah, two days ago, Like, 80 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:27.480 no, she's gonna take on the storm. And back then in Hawaii 81 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:31.560 that like the roads are winding and they didn't have a lot of barriers, 82 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:39.639 so there's a lot of mud slides and rocks falling. Yeah, and it's 83 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:44.399 I mean torrential rain. But Lisa's gotta see, you know, she's determined. 84 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:48.120 I'm gonna see her boyfriend. Right, So her mom says, don't 85 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:54.439 do it, but she went anyway. Before she met her boyfriend dog at 86 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:59.480 his sister's apartment, Kristen's, Lisa stopped to a grocery store and she got 87 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.040 a Pokey bar Oh yeah, Pokey bowls mm hmm, yeah, this is 88 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:07.639 a eighty two. Well I only saw my first Pokey bowl like four years 89 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.439 ago. Finally made its way over here, right, and she got it 90 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:16.439 to share with Kristin and Doug. She's at the store. She wrote a 91 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:20.839 check for two dollars and eighty cents for the poke bowl and made her way 92 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:28.079 to Kristen's apartment. She drove down what's called Poll Highway to get there, 93 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:33.320 and it's considered a very dangerous highway because I told you there are rocks falling 94 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.759 and mud slides, and they didn't have the rail guards at the time. 95 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:41.639 That would be terris. I don't like driving. I didn't even drive. 96 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:48.519 I can't even drive in Michigan at night, in my own town without being 97 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:56.279 nervous, let alone that. So she reached Kristen's Christen's apartment and kristin, 98 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:01.080 Doug, and Lisa. They all ate anteladas that Kristen had made. Oh 99 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:07.480 yeah, we've loved food, love food, and the poke bowl that Lisa 100 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:13.960 bought. It was around midnight and Lisa called a roommate, Candy, to 101 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:20.559 let her know she was leaving soon, both her and dog. This is 102 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.360 where it gets a little like of her different reports on exactly how it went 103 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.399 done. But both her and dog ended up leaving around the same time. 104 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:37.200 Doug got into his car and we're talking. It's about twelve forty five am, 105 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:39.320 and he's gonna head back to the dorm. But we know that Lisa 106 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:46.240 left first. I don't know if it was thirty seconds earlier, one minute, 107 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:52.159 but I know that she left first. Unfortunately, only one of them 108 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:58.320 would make it, and it would take ten days for the truth to be 109 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:07.240 discovered what happened to the other one, which is obviously Lisa. The next 110 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.639 day, her roommate Candy wakes up and there's no Lisa, and Lisa has 111 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:16.600 called her remember right, yeah, I'm coming home. And they worked together 112 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:22.440 and Lisa didn't show up for work. So by mid afternoon, Candy calls 113 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:28.919 Lisa's mom and dad and tells them I don't know where Lisa is. In 114 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:35.720 they start panicking, of course, right. The first person they call is 115 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:41.919 Doug, and Doug tells them I saw Lisa like twelve forty five am. 116 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:48.480 She was on her way home. I haven't heard from her. And then 117 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:54.759 like they they're just freaking out because there was that massive storm, right, 118 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:01.600 And Doug offers to go and onto the roads and look for Lisa and her 119 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:05.480 car. Maybe she got in an accident, and I believe her parents were 120 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:11.440 calling the hospitals, but I'm not one hundred percent sure, Doug. They're 121 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:16.720 all thinking she had car problems or an accident, like I said, because 122 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:22.639 of the storm, and she's just such a new driver. So Doug leaves 123 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:28.799 the University of Hawaii and he starts searching the roads. He knows the path 124 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.679 that she's probably gonna take because it's an island, so there's only so many, 125 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:37.600 so many roads roads, and this is so cheap. He knows that 126 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:46.919 she's probably taking the Holly Highway. He's driving and he sees her car on 127 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:52.559 Polly Highway, on the side of the road in mana mana wheela, mana 128 00:11:52.559 --> 00:12:00.480 WHEELI mana WHEELI mona WHEELI. It's near the Khalua. So sorry, I 129 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:05.480 know it's not klukay. I studied these I tried these words so hard and 130 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:11.600 I had it. But it's near driving and he notices it's abandoned. It's 131 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:15.679 on the side of the road and there's this nineteen seventy six Toyota and it's 132 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:20.519 the same car that Lisa had just bought. It's only three miles from her 133 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:28.480 apartment, and it's ten miles from Kristen's apartment where he last saw her. 134 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:33.399 When Doug got to the car, there's no Lisa. But there are some 135 00:12:33.480 --> 00:12:39.679 really bizarre things at that in that car, like some clues her lights were 136 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:45.240 still on, her windshield, wipers were still going. Oh, that's kind 137 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.360 of that's weird. That's right, weird. Yeah, Like this has been 138 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:56.720 now twelve hours. The driver's side window was rolled down halfway and the floor 139 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:01.759 of her car because of the rain, had two to three inches of water 140 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:07.000 in it. But it's the driver's side is drenched because that's where the window 141 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:15.440 was down. But what's weird is on top of the driver's side seat was 142 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.879 her purse and it was dry. It was dry. It was dry. 143 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.919 There's no water in it. There's two to three inches of water on the 144 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:31.360 floor of her car, her seat is soaked, but her purse is dry. 145 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.360 That's right. Her keys and her wallet were still in the car. 146 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:43.840 Obviously, Doug is freaking out and he goes to the nearest phone booth or 147 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:50.200 phone, and he calls the Honolulu Police Department. Within minutes, the area 148 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:56.000 is surrounded by officers and they start taking a deeper look into Lisa's car. 149 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:03.440 This is really interesting. Her car was wiped clean of all forensic evidence. 150 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:11.840 No fingerprints, not hers, nobody's fingerprints, nothing. Hmmm, it is 151 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:22.080 completely wipe clean. They found they found a couple like partial fingerprints, but 152 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:28.799 not even enough to even be partial. Like this car had been totally totally 153 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:35.840 someone tried to clean it on all of it its evidence. There were no 154 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:39.480 fibers. They couldn't find any fibers at the scene. They couldn't find anything 155 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:46.440 that would lead them, like forensically to who did this or where lisas. 156 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:52.399 But then it's nineteen eighty two. So what's interesting is two police officers separately 157 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:58.039 had driven by that her abandoned car during the storm, but they never bothered 158 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:07.919 to like check and see if the driver needed help. That look, that's 159 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:15.480 her, that's her, like old lady, not your naughty look. Doug 160 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:22.440 told them everything about what happened the night before and how Lisa had never made 161 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:28.000 it home. It was at this point that Lisa Ou was officially reported missing, 162 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:35.559 and within hours missing person posters were posted everywhere her family and her friends 163 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:41.120 and the whole community. I believe they put together like one hundred thousand flyers, 164 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:45.120 and I'm not making it up. I read that someplace. I read 165 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:46.600 some place it was one hundred. I read another place there was one hundred 166 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:50.440 thousand, But it was a lot. It's a big difference, right too. 167 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.759 But it was a lot, and they were spread around the island. 168 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:03.039 The analysis of Lisa's car showed all those you know, kind of bizarre clues, 169 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:11.120 and the question becomes why was her window partially down? Right, And 170 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:18.480 why was her purse is dry? Why her keys are still in it? 171 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:26.600 So if her car, like her car physically worked, but so like even 172 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.639 if it for some reason stopped, why would she leave her purse behind? 173 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.759 Yeah, that wouldn't make any sound like if you're gonna go out on foot, 174 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:37.840 like stop, you're gonna, well, you're gonna it's a crucial rain, 175 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:41.279 you're gonna sit there and we are not going out in a storm. 176 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:48.039 No, so they found but they so they found that very interesting. And 177 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:52.519 another thing they noticed is that Lisa's driver's license was missing. Oh that's weird 178 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:59.279 too, like why why is her driver's license missing? And her windows rolled 179 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:07.519 down? Partly yes, it appeared to the investigators that her purse had been 180 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:12.359 put back into the car after the rain had stopped. Oh that would make 181 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:18.039 sense, right, but who? Right? Why? Why? Important question? 182 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:22.160 Why'd they take it to begin with? They didn't take anything from it? 183 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:30.160 Maybe her license right right? The rolldown of the window, you know, 184 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.200 makes it appear as if she rolled it down to talk to somebody, 185 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.319 right, right? Okay, there were so many questions and no answers. 186 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:44.039 These investigators they knew they had to act fast. It's it's an you know, 187 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:48.480 it's an island, and people are freaking out. So her missing person 188 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:53.920 posters are posted all over Oahu and the news picks us up. This's a 189 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:59.680 big story. I mean it's it's a very big story. And as I 190 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:04.359 told you, the local community came together. There were hundreds of volunteers that 191 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:11.839 they closed their shops to go look for her and look on all the land 192 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:19.119 around. But days past and days past and days past, and all these 193 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:26.799 searches with hundreds of people grew fruitless. They there was no Lisa, and 194 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:33.759 obviously it's looking bleaker and bleaker as every day goes by. Yeah, I 195 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:38.559 mean it's you know, her poor parents, they loved her so much, 196 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:44.400 and her siblings, her mother and father. They did an interview with the 197 00:18:44.480 --> 00:18:48.440 media and they said, quote, thank you, not enough. Everyone wants 198 00:18:48.480 --> 00:18:52.359 to help so much. The support has just been great end quote. And 199 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.640 they're bawling during it. They're just well, wouldn't you of course I would 200 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:03.880 be, And you could just tell they're exhausted, drained. It was just 201 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:11.279 it was horrible. But then on January thirty first, nineteen eighty two, 202 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:19.160 the search for Lisa was called off because her body was found this man was 203 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:30.279 walking his dog on Tannilis Drive and it's it's you'll see a picture. We're 204 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:34.359 posting a picture. He noticed a foul smell. He traced the smell to 205 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:41.319 an embankment, and he walked about ten feet down the embankment, and about 206 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:47.599 twenty five feet thirty feet from there he saw there was tall grass and there 207 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:52.720 was a nude woman. And it's like a ravine, okay, and there 208 00:19:52.799 --> 00:20:00.519 she is. Lisa, faced down, naked, spent ten days in Hawaii 209 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:08.240 in the grass. She was nude, and witnesses reported that it looked like 210 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:14.839 she'd just been like dumped, okay, over the side of the road, 211 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:21.319 down the ravine, like haphazardly like anything, and then fell because it's it's 212 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:29.880 an embankment, okay, so she's just like moving. Lisa had been officially 213 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:36.599 missing for ten days and her body was in an advanced state of decomposition due 214 00:20:36.599 --> 00:20:41.240 to being out in the elements for so long, and the Honolulu Police Department 215 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:47.079 immediately transferred her case from a missing person from the Missing Person's Unit to the 216 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:56.279 Homicide Division. Lisa's body was found roughly three miles from Kristen's place and ten 217 00:20:56.319 --> 00:21:02.759 miles from her car. And if you're remember, her car was about three 218 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:07.200 miles from her place, yeah, right, right, so it was like 219 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:12.839 in the opposite direct direction, so it was all switched. She wasn't yah 220 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:18.160 found near where her car was. She was found closer to Kristen's place. 221 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:25.359 Her body was taken away by the medical examiner, and of course, you 222 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:27.599 know, it was prepared for an autopsy, and her family's given the news, 223 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:33.519 and her boyfriend and they're all upset. Of course, she was just 224 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.480 nineteen years old, I know, and as you as you heard me, 225 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:45.759 she just started like her path of sighting party, you're like fifty years old 226 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:52.440 and looking for nursing home. Soon, due to the level of decomposition, 227 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:59.039 the Honolulu Medical Examiner was unable to determine the cause of death. Lisa had 228 00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:07.440 to be identified through dental records and they found her class ring on her finger. 229 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:12.799 The medical examiner ruled out suicide, which seems pretty obvious when you're naked 230 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:18.640 in an by in a ravine, right, I mean, come on right. 231 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:25.720 Hysteria basically ripped through the community like wildfire, and there was so much 232 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:33.079 pressure on the Honolulu Police Department to catch whoever did this. One of the 233 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:38.880 key elements in Lisa's case was a missing driver's license, and that's when rumors 234 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:48.799 began swirling that a police officer or someone posing as a police officer had pulled 235 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.480 Lisa over that night. Oh, like maybe she was speeding or something, 236 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.599 and then they asked for her. She wasn't doing anything wrong and they just 237 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:03.720 pulled her over because the creek. That's right, right, yes, So 238 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:10.079 that would be make sense why she would lower her window and give somebody a 239 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:15.240 license, right. A witness reported seeing Lisa's car on the side of the 240 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:22.119 road at about one forty five am. That's about an hour after she left 241 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:27.759 Kristen's apartment and said goodbye to Doug. Well, all these rumors are just 242 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:37.119 rumors, they did end up having some weight to them. The rumors brought 243 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:44.119 something very dark and disturbing to light. In the months before Lisa disappeared and 244 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.799 was killed, young women had reported that a man in an unmarked police car 245 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.960 posing it as an officer, would pull him over on the highway and this 246 00:23:55.039 --> 00:24:00.799 man will try to assault these women before leaving them in the car. Now, 247 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:07.000 so this is what's interesting. At the time. In Hawaii, a 248 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:12.880 lot of police officers had unmarked cars, so they look like regular cars. 249 00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:18.839 They weren't, you know, didn't say Honolulu Police or whatever. And they 250 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:22.720 would put these blue lights and they're grill of a car, and we have 251 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:30.039 a picture of this, and the blue lights would flash to like indicate that 252 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.960 you need to pull over, but it's a normal car. Yeah, hmm, 253 00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:40.240 this seems really unsafe. Well they changed that policy. Yeah, but 254 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:45.440 I can't imagine because people can purchase these blue flashing right at the time, 255 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:49.880 could purchase blue flashing lights. So a lot of officers wouldn't use the regular 256 00:24:49.880 --> 00:24:53.920 patrol cars. They if they're off duty, they would put them in their 257 00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:57.319 own cars and then just I don't know, decide to go ahead and pull 258 00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:03.000 somebody over for shifts and giggles. No, I'm just kidding. I don't 259 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:04.640 know, because they were committing cracks. Yes, of course. Yes, 260 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:08.720 you're always a police officer, of course, just like you're always a lawyer. 261 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:15.440 Hm. Unfortunately, many people believe this is what happened to Lisa. 262 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:22.039 I mean, given the number of reports that occurred about from women saying somebody, 263 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:26.599 you know, somebody posing as a police officer or being a police officer, 264 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.160 had tried to moless them, and the fact her window was down and 265 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:36.359 her license was gone. Okay, the police are thinking, hmmm, maybe 266 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:45.240 maybe it's one of one of us. Their first suspect person of interest, 267 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:51.880 they focused on a man, an officer named Thomas Byrne. Two years prior, 268 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:56.319 in nineteen eighty he'd been charged with he had a fourteen year old in 269 00:25:56.359 --> 00:26:04.039 his car and he was doing police ride along, okay, and he sexually 270 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:12.160 molested her carrying the police ride along. He ended up being convicted in nineteen 271 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:18.880 eighty one for something and he got probation and he was suspended for five days, 272 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:22.640 for five days, for five days. Yeah, yeah, that was 273 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.160 a hell of a punishment for fourteen year old girl. Wow. And then 274 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:29.599 he was allowed to go back. I mean, is that fucked up? 275 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.519 That's fucked up? Yeah? Oh, extremely, extremely, like we really 276 00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:37.599 had to do therapy though, oh okay, had to do therapy. Was 277 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:45.480 on probation. He was questioned first and he admitted that that night he had 278 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.559 pulled over a woman on Polly Highway, which is the same highway that Lisa 279 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:57.119 was driving down. And then he said he went to a party and then 280 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:03.400 he went help. Okay. A woman came forward and said she'd been pulled 281 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:10.599 over by him. And she said she'd been pulled over, and then they 282 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:15.240 showed her a lineup of people that had pulled her over because he wasn't supposed 283 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.279 to be working and he's going to like a party. Yeah, Like what 284 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:21.720 are you doing, dude? Like what are you just being weird? Just 285 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:26.119 being weird? And she identified him as the person that pulled her over. 286 00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:34.359 And they actually brought in some dogs to sniff for evidence. But these dogs 287 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:41.240 weren't really trained for exactly what I mean. They weren't looking for cadavers. 288 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.640 I don't if maybe the scent of Lisa or something I can't remember, but 289 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:52.279 they did focus on his car, but I don't remember exactly if it was 290 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:55.640 a sense of Lisa, but they didn't maybe if she had been in his 291 00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:59.880 car or something like that, but they weren't when I was doing research on 292 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:03.839 that. They weren't really trained for that, So they don't know. If 293 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.559 it's a coincidence, they don't know it, they don't know. It doesn't 294 00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.799 matter because in the end they decided he didn't have anything to do with it. 295 00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:18.519 In January of nineteen eighty two, Bert Corneille was assigned to the criminal 296 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:23.079 investigations. He was assigned to the Criminal Investigations Division of the Honolulu Police Department, 297 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:29.319 and he was assigned to Lisa's case. From the start, he did 298 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:34.440 not believe the cop theory. He just something it just his gut told him 299 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:40.160 no. And this man ends up being in the case for forty years. 300 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:48.200 Wow. And in the months that follow he he is looking through everything because 301 00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:56.400 he believes that the Honolulu Police Department didn't do a really good job. As 302 00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:59.400 a matter of fact, he thinks they did a shit job of just being 303 00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:03.200 honest. That's you know. He decides to retrace all of Lisa's steps. 304 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:10.759 Okay, He first visits the Susan Beers salon where Lisa worked, and made 305 00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:12.480 his way to the grocery store where she went and got the Pokey bowl. 306 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.519 You know what he found out there? What he found out that when Lisa 307 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:22.920 got the poke bowl, she wrote a check, remember I told you, 308 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:26.359 yeah, two dollars and eighty cents, and they asked her for her license 309 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:30.759 and she was in such a hurry she didn't get it back. She didn't 310 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:36.440 get it back. Oh that's where her license was. Oh no, this 311 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:41.480 just puts a wrench in all the theories right, right, So that months 312 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:45.720 later is where he found Lisa's license. The grocery store still had it. 313 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.519 He's like, hmm, I mean, he was just shocked that the police 314 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.440 went there, went there, hadn't gone there. Yeah, she was just 315 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:03.079 in a rush. And so now he really believed this is not the police. 316 00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:10.279 Thanks to his diligent work and is his determination, he was able to 317 00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:18.359 uncover more clues and talk to more witnesses, all missed by the Honolulu Police 318 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:25.079 Department. And because of this, that's the whole reason that her case probably 319 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:30.319 wasn't solved, because they just did such a crappy job. So Bert is 320 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:37.200 talking to locals and he's put in touch with Charlotte Kamaka. She delivered newspapers 321 00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:45.359 and this is according to the Hawaii News Now well she Charlotte later testified before 322 00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:51.119 grand jury about what she saw on Tannalists drive in the hours after Lisa went 323 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:56.559 missing. She said she was on her regular route at about two thirty am. 324 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:02.240 In the police records, she said a man drove past her in a 325 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:11.920 blue car with a female passenger who appeared to be asleep or unconscious. Charlotte 326 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:18.359 would also tell the grand jury. What alerted me was her head fell when 327 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:23.279 the car made a turn. Her head just fell. Later, she said 328 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:30.400 that she got a look at the driver as he turned and drove out, 329 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.799 but it just wasn't enough for her to actually be able to identify who it 330 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:44.400 was, and the female passenger was just gone. So I think when the 331 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.880 driver turned she maybe slumped over. Yeah, she just slumped over exactly. 332 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.640 So Charlotte was never able to identify the man, and she would also state 333 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:04.160 to detect a state that detectives did ask her for her number to talk to 334 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.599 her about what she saw, but they never followed up with her. They 335 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.119 only talked to her one time, and she felt like what she had to 336 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:19.200 say was pretty important. It wasn't until Bert began digging further that he got 337 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:23.759 the full story. So it was Charlotte that actually reached out to the police 338 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:29.640 and they never really interviewed her. It was only until when Burt saw her 339 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:35.039 name like in the notes, that he got all the sexual information. And 340 00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.759 this wasn't the only witness account that Bert was able to obtain along with speaking 341 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:44.359 to Charlotte or Charlotte, I don't know, Charlotte. I think the part 342 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:46.960 called her both names, but no, he said Charlotte. Oh. Good 343 00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:54.079 Bert also spoke to Thomas Thornberg. He was a security guard at the apartments 344 00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:59.720 where Lisa was last seen alive, and that was Kristen's apartment. Now, 345 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:05.720 according to the security guard, mister Thomas, he heard a couple arguing around 346 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:10.480 eleven pm, and then he saw Lisa leaving the apartment complex in her car, 347 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:20.559 and then minutes later he saw Doug following after her. Now this account 348 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:23.680 messes with the timeline that Doug gates, right, because Doug stated that the 349 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:30.279 two left at twelve about twelve forty five, And I don't know if Kristen 350 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.920 was asleep by then, right, That's why I was like, why don't 351 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.680 we ask Kristen. Yeah, I never found anything that talked about Kristen's version 352 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.319 of the timeline. So maybe, I mean, yeah, it's it's a 353 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:49.799 weekday and it's late, so I would have been asleep probably probably maybe unless 354 00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.319 I was in my twenties. Yeah, that'll probably be away. Yeah, 355 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:59.720 anyway, from the start, Doug was a suspect obviously, right, I 356 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.480 mean, serious crimes are committed by someone close to the victim. We all 357 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:08.119 know that. But if Doug was responsible, what would be his motive? 358 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:15.800 Right, I'm not trying to be insensitive, but if you want to kill 359 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:20.480 your girlfriend, why are you going to go out follow her in the torrential 360 00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.760 rain, have her pulled over inside of the road, or even that's the 361 00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.320 day you picked to kill her in the torrential rain. Like, I'm not 362 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:31.599 not trying to be insensitive. I mean they just had dinner and she wasn't 363 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:37.400 pregnant. You know, they don't, They didn't have a history of domestic 364 00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.679 violence. There was no money, no money. He's just a student and 365 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:45.320 she's a hairdresser, right, so why follower and go through all that? 366 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:51.639 That's a lot of trouble to get her out of the car? Driver like 367 00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:55.760 ten miles bring a purse back during a storm? Right, Yeah, that 368 00:34:55.760 --> 00:35:00.280 doesn't make a lot of sense. And usually the heat of passion is during 369 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:06.480 the heat of passion and not so anyway, I'm just saying I don't know, 370 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:15.719 but Doug would later fail to detect test dog, no dog, come 371 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:22.280 on, nervous, Yeah, well I would be nervous. Nervous would be 372 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.039 like no, I yes, my name is Selene, would be like fail, 373 00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.960 It's not I know I would have been nervous as hell. Doug told 374 00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:38.239 investigators that the reason why he failed is because he felt responsible for her murder, 375 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:44.480 because he should have never let somebody that he loved who only had been 376 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:50.199 driving for two days, drive in that storm. Yeah, he can't do 377 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.960 that though, I mean, you can't do that, but you would feel 378 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:58.639 guilty. Of course. That's why he's saying. In his mind, he 379 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:02.840 feels responsible, and that's why he failed the tests. I mean, they 380 00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:07.559 pressed him further, and they thought that he was on the brink of confessing 381 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.880 because he kept saying, I feel so guilty, I feel so guilty. 382 00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:16.000 But he just later on said I shouldn't let her drive home in those conditions. 383 00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:22.679 But he did admit to officers that he was trying to end the relationship. 384 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.320 He said, I'm going to college, I'm getting educated, because he 385 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:31.800 was going to be an engineer, while Lisa was more or less staying still 386 00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:36.119 with her education, and in his mind, she's just going to be a 387 00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.079 hairdresser, and that wasn't wasn't good enough, wasn't good enough for him. 388 00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:47.679 A few sources also mentioned that when Doug found Lisa's car abandoned, attending officers 389 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:55.559 did not scratch marks on his face. H but nothing ever came of that 390 00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:04.360 without any evidence or confession. Doug was never formally charged in Lisa's case, 391 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:12.840 but many people still believe that he's a prime suspect he did it. But 392 00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.599 it it's kind of weak. It just I mean, there's no indication, 393 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:21.239 like, Okay, so you break up with her. I mean people break 394 00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:22.519 up every day, right, They don't have to kill somebody. They don't 395 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.840 have to kill somebody to break up with them. Them on the road, 396 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:30.159 have them pull out, and so let's just let's just talk this out. 397 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:35.719 Lisa's driving. We all know she left first and then he left. There's 398 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.599 pouring rain. What made her pull over to the side of the road. 399 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:45.119 How would she know that it was dog flashing? Right? They didn't have 400 00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.920 cell phones, so she wouldn't. No, that's true. See my point, 401 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:59.239 Right, Lisa was buried with her family not knowing what happened. But 402 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:04.440 this case is not I mean, they are a heartbroken. A year after 403 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:09.440 Lisa was buried, her remains were exhumed and sent to a corner in Los 404 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:16.760 Angeles. Wow. It was believed by her family and other people that the 405 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:22.679 Honolulu Medical Examiner had missed vital clues and pieces of evidence in their autopsy, 406 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:29.000 and they hold his second opinion. Her family basically could provide them with more 407 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:34.960 answers. While the exhumation is how you say it, I think so sounds 408 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:40.880 good. M was taking place for colonel He left the Honolulu Police Department and 409 00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.000 Lisa's family hired him to be a private detective. Oh, he like left 410 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:50.559 the police left. I'm out of whatever the hell is going on here. 411 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.639 The result of the second autopsy came in, but they weren't what people were 412 00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:02.400 expecting. According to the Hawaiian us Now, which ran a really long article 413 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:09.880 on Lisa's case, when they exhumed the body, this is so messed up. 414 00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:15.400 It was still she'd been buried in a casket, in the body bag 415 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:20.559 the corner. Yeah, in a body bag. It was a close casket 416 00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:22.760 and they just never took her out of the body bag, and she the 417 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:30.360 corner hadn't washed her body and there was they found dirt, twigs and leaves 418 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:36.239 in the body bag. So basically how she got picked up was wow, 419 00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:39.760 how she was this is terrible, But she was picked up like basically putting 420 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:45.719 a body bag and buried. I mean you have dirt, twigs and leaves 421 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:50.119 in the body bag. I've never heard of something like this Like that to 422 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.800 me is so disrespectful, Like can you imagine it? And then what kind 423 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.320 of job did they do, right, Like did they even pick any of 424 00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.599 it out to like did they even highly examined her rights? That's what I'm 425 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:06.159 wondering, Like they're just it doesn't sound like it right, right, they 426 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.559 got to take her out of the body bag to examiner, I think you 427 00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:13.360 were you just put her right back in, so I mean then maybe the 428 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.079 I mean maybe I'm sure the examiner. But there's her right back in with 429 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:22.199 all the I am and irritated right now. This is such a shitty job. 430 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.920 I was her parents would be so fucking pissed, right they Yeah, 431 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:32.440 I'd be beside myself. Well, and part of the Honolulu Police Department was 432 00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:36.400 upset too. I mean you have to remember this was the medical examiner that 433 00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.440 did that. Wasn't pleased, and everybody was appalled. They're just furious. 434 00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:45.280 I mean, that just shows the incompetence, right. So, the Los 435 00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:52.679 Angeles Corner did not make the report public after the second autopsy, but they 436 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:58.639 did release to the media that due to the advanced state of decomposition. It 437 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:04.760 meant that making an incan collusions were difficult, so they couldn't figure out how 438 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:08.079 she died either. But that does tell you a few things. There's no 439 00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:17.199 bullet holes, right, There's no cut yeah from being stabbed, no broken 440 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:25.159 bones from being strangled. Hmm. But I mean that doesn't mean she wasn't. 441 00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.960 But she could have done, could have been smothered, mothered, or 442 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.920 she could have been strangled. I mean, but she you know, nothing, 443 00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.000 nothing that broke her bones, nothing, No bullets, no bullet wounds, 444 00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:46.559 things like that. But I hate this horrible. The incompetence does not 445 00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:54.280 stop there. There's more. Over the years, many people wanted to help 446 00:41:54.320 --> 00:42:01.800 the family out, and they wanted to do other autopsies, and they wanted 447 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:08.760 at least access to Lisa's remains to conduct independent exams because technology is advancing. 448 00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:15.800 That's true, right, There's one problem now, I knows where half of 449 00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:19.119 her her remains are are all. I write a couple of articles. Some 450 00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:23.320 said all of the remains, some said her skull and what yeah, vertebrae, 451 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:28.400 They're just gone. There's pieces missing, missing. I believe it's her 452 00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:31.880 whole body. Missing from when they exhumed her. Are you kidding me? 453 00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:38.480 No, I'm not fucking kidding you, Ilu. The Honolulu Police Department says 454 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:44.280 that it remains. It's his school and jawbone are with so that's that's what's 455 00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:49.199 missing. But I did read other parts I said more or other articles that 456 00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.920 said more. They said they're at the Honolulu Medical Examiner's office, while the 457 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:58.239 Medical Examiner's Office is admit that they were put in Lisa's coffin, but there 458 00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:05.519 weren't Lisa's coffin, so nobody else. Oh my god, this is terrible. 459 00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:10.119 Isn't that horrible? Like I feel so bad for her family, Like 460 00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:16.159 it's not she wasn't ideal, right, like like nobody gives a ship trash 461 00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:20.920 or whatever. You just put at someplace whatever, whatever. The chain of 462 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:28.400 costy paperwork and other vital procedures weren't carried out properly. Well, the only 463 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:34.239 way to find her remains was to dig up the grave once again. Yeah, 464 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:40.480 and it wasn't there. Her skull wasn't found there. There's one Well, 465 00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:44.119 I'm sorry I shouldn't say that. They didn't end up doing it a 466 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.079 second time? My bad, they didn't they didn't. They did not. 467 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:54.920 There's one less clue in Lisa's case, and it involves an officer who was 468 00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:00.920 told to lie before grand jury because they did have a grand jury to try 469 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:06.159 to see if there was enough evidence against that one police officer. I told 470 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:13.159 you so, the happy one. Yes, yeah, yes, Thomas Byrne. 471 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:19.280 Yes, who, by the way, did sue media outlets and stuff 472 00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.360 for defamation. Oh whoops. But they ended up dropping it. It didn't 473 00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:28.440 go anywhere. That's all I know is it didn't go anywhere. My opinion, 474 00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.920 Well, yeah, he was charged, convicted. Yes, I'm just 475 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:35.920 saying it's not defamation if it's my opinion. No, it's just her opinion. 476 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.440 Allegedly it was allegedly he was creepy, Yes, but he was convicted. 477 00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:44.039 And this is in nineteen eighty two. I don't even think that he 478 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:47.960 is. It might not even be alive anymore. According to Hawaiian News Now, 479 00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:52.960 on the night Lisa disappeared in nineteen eighty two, officer Michael Rathfeld, 480 00:44:53.320 --> 00:45:00.159 I believe that's how you pronounce it. Raffled was directing traffic in Mana Weeli 481 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:06.880 on a wheelie and the reason why he was directing traffic is because there was 482 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:12.559 a month's light, so he was helping people go by. And he said 483 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:20.760 he didn't see Lisa's car, okay, because that he testified to I'll get 484 00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:25.320 to that. So that's that's the according to him, he was asked to 485 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:31.199 lie to the grand jury, telling them that he did in fact see Lisa's 486 00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:37.639 car and then he saw a patrol officers standing at the car. But he 487 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:43.239 never went through his testimony and he was hypnotized, and during hypnosis he did 488 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:50.280 not confirm that he saw Lisa's car with a police officer by it. It's 489 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:55.400 never been revealed exactly who told him to lie or why they wanted to lie. 490 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.079 Why would you want to lie and say it was right police officer? 491 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:06.039 But it does bring like a whole lot of questions. And I read an 492 00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:10.480 article he is still alive and he said that if there was any new information 493 00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:15.280 that came out, he would be willing to say exactly the same thing that 494 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.400 he was told to lie. And I don't know why. We don't know 495 00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:23.119 who he was lying for. Yeah, but I think this time he would 496 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:29.440 come out and say it if there is a like if he was sub peanut, 497 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:37.199 right, So why would a Honolulu police officer be told to lie to 498 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:43.400 your injury. What's the motive? Why point the finger at a patrol officer? 499 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:47.639 I don't know. Doing a cover up, it's a conspiracy. It 500 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:52.639 is something, it's something messed up. So there's so many more, there 501 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:57.320 more questions and answers in this case. And I hate doing these cases where 502 00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.840 I don't have the answers for you. The investigation was pretty much doomed from 503 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:05.639 the start because of just how slappy. Yeah, I mean, it was 504 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:09.280 just sloppy. Lisa's parents, Chester and Patrise. They ended up getting divorced 505 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:15.119 in nineteen ninety because the murder of Lisa just for them apart. Oh that's 506 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:21.519 heartbreaking, Yeah, and just never knowing happened to their daughter. It just 507 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:25.119 they could never be the family they once were. And many of the key 508 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:31.280 witnesses have passed away since then, I mean a lot of them. Doug 509 00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:39.199 Holmes, he moved to Australia. In twenty eighteen. The Honolulu Police Department 510 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:44.920 created a cold case unit and Lisa's case has been more than ever since. 511 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:50.679 In a statement by them police chief, her name is Susan, but Ballard 512 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:55.239 stated in twenty nineteen, well cold case detectives are looking for anything that may 513 00:47:55.280 --> 00:48:00.400 have been overlooked at the time, or whether new technology can provide information. 514 00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:06.800 Relationships shift over the years, and it's not uncommon for people to want to 515 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:13.760 clear their conscience. One individual, yeah, so anyway, that's the end 516 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:21.960 of that quote. The only individual that we know for sure that knows what 517 00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:27.880 happened, she stated, was miss Lisa Au. But there's one other person 518 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.840 there is, yeah, the person that did it. Oh yeah, of 519 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:36.239 course, yeah, you're right. There's two people who know. Yeah. 520 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:42.960 So Bert Corneil, the one that was originally worked for the police and then 521 00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.159 was hired as a private detective. He not lives in Florida, but he 522 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:51.000 continues to investigate Lisa's case and he's like, I'm ready for action if anything 523 00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:54.039 comes up. He's older now, obviously, but he's ready to go. 524 00:48:54.199 --> 00:49:00.440 He said. The case has haunted him throughout his entire career and he vows 525 00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:07.079 to see it through to the very end. While Lisa's boyfriend Doug has been 526 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:13.000 a potential suspect, there's never been any evidence brought to light to show that 527 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:19.000 he did it, so is it him. He moved to Australia by the 528 00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:24.400 way he lives in Australia. Was it somebody impersonating a police officer. Some 529 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:31.960 people suspect that Lisa was perhaps a victim of the Honolulu strangler, who they 530 00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:38.440 know operated from nineteen eighty five to nineteen eighty six, but maybe it was 531 00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:42.800 a little bit earlier, right right, I mean, that's just when they 532 00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:46.639 know that he did. And so I started going down a rabbit hole about 533 00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:52.119 so that might be another story that we going to do soon. Yeah, 534 00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:57.079 he strangled women, and the first one they know of is nineteen eighty five, 535 00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:02.880 but that doesn't mean that's the first one. First order he committed. 536 00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:08.880 Again, experts aren't able even when the technology they have now to because they 537 00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.639 didn't have give any evidence. They don't have anything. They don't have anything. 538 00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:17.119 There was nothing, probably even collected fingerprints, and they don't even have 539 00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:22.920 her skull and job bone. I hate this. I hate unsolved cases. 540 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:28.519 They're just heartbreaking. Lisa's younger sister, she was twelve years younger than Lisa. 541 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.000 She was seven at the time, but she loved her big sister. 542 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:37.079 Her name was may Lee. She told the Hawaii News now quote, my 543 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:43.880 parents are gone and they now know what happened now, just the living want 544 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.239 to know. A lot of our family and friends close to us still want 545 00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:53.840 to know. So anybody that has any information can contact the Honolulu Police Department 546 00:50:53.920 --> 00:51:00.159 and their number is eight eight five two nine three one one one. Even 547 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:06.519 if you think it's insignificant, I mean they're desperate for a break in this 548 00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.599 case, they need a break. Oh this is just isn't crazy? Yes, 549 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:16.760 you know, statistically when it's raining or there's storms, there's less crimes 550 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.679 committed because it sucks outside, right right. We just did a Patreon episode 551 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:28.639 last month about a couple who was murdered during a storm in Florida. Yeah, 552 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:34.000 yeah, like that's all I remember. It was during a wasn't it 553 00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.960 wasn't It wasn't a hurricane, but it was it was tropical storm. Yeah, 554 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:38.400 it was a tropical storm in Florida. They were in the keys. 555 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:45.280 So I think somebody would come out. Yeah, so you think like, 556 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.559 yeah, you think everybody's going to stay home and stay out of the storm. 557 00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:53.039 But oh, I wonder what happened to Lisa. No, I feel 558 00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:58.760 like I mean somebody because I don't know why she would pull over otherwise and 559 00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:00.800 roll down or if it was her boyfriend. Wouldn't she rolled down her window 560 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:05.280 all the way or wouldn't you just get out or not get out and have 561 00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:07.719 them get in? Have them get in? Yeah? Right? Why would 562 00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:10.239 you just roll down your window a little bit for your boyfriend? Right? 563 00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:14.079 Or if you're mad, you're like, fuck, you go leave me alone 564 00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:17.480 and drive off like you wouldn't even stop, right, I I am? 565 00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:22.039 And then there's no signs of a struggle in the car. And why was 566 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:27.599 her purse dry? Why was her purse somebody came back and put it back 567 00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:31.159 when the rain stops. I don't know. They risked bringing her purse back. 568 00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:34.880 That doesn't make any sense. Why would they do that? I don't 569 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.719 know. I'm I'm my mind is going one hundred miles a minute, and 570 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:42.760 I have maybe it happened, right, I don't know. I don't have 571 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.360 the answer. I wish we did. I know, poor Lisa, poor 572 00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:50.360 Lisa and her family. I know her parents are respect to them. Yeah, 573 00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:52.800 that's just I know. My heart goes out to her whole family. 574 00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:59.960 Having an unsolved murder in your family, someone you know, I can't imagine, 575 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.320 and you ever get over it? Right? I mean, no matter 576 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:06.960 what I think, any kind of crime like that. I don't know Doug 577 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:09.880 have scratches on its face, but then I don't know they could have. 578 00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:15.519 That's true. I don't know they shaving. I don't know who knows. 579 00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:20.639 But anyway, okay, I want to think True Crime Daily for hosting us, 580 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:22.440 and I want to thank all of you guys for watching us. We 581 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:27.280 appreciate you, every single one of you. 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