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week's episode of Follow Vans. The
original air date on this one is April

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the eleventh, nineteen fifty and the
title is the Nylon Murder Case. Yeah

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ba show that gets excited that.
Oh why don't you both stop? I

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won't have your two fighting, you
understand, Yeah, only why you brought

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her in with us? I'll never
know. There must be so many things

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you never know, dearie whapick only
loom. There she goes again, starting

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in I had that phony accent and
that phony blonde hair. The girl Caros.

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Now that's enough, both of you. Listen to me. She's such

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a Doris. Yeah, you know, I like the way you've been operating.

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Why thanks, you look good,
you talk good, and you've managed

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to crash a lot of society parties. It paid off. Well, well,

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we've been able to fence the stuff
you've left at, Doris. But

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what do we get for it?
Oh? Ye, half of what?

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It's worse. Well, so let's
skip that kind of petty stuff. What

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are we doingstead, I've got something
big on the fire, very big.

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That's the reason you imported this.
I sure wish she leap pole LOOMI a

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lot now, Doris. I've told
you. I'm sorry, Grace, but

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look, let me do one more
job, will you. What's that?

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There's a blonde man cope belonging to
a Missus Williams that I want by myself.

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It'll be a cinch to grab.
And I wanted missus Marilyn Williams.

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That's right. Oh, you can
never get into her house. Why it's

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guarded better than fort No, I've
got away all right to try it?

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Okay, go ahead, show,
go ahead. Maybe you'll get caught and

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then Grace and I wouldn't be bothered
with you all that, did it?

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Grace? What's she doing here?
Oh? Is she? And what do

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we need this baby faced dame for
Taylor? Grace? Doris? Yeah,

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this baby faced dame is Sally Joe
Russell. What I've told you that we

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were going to branch out and we're
going to need her. I brought it

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here because she's wanted, not by
me, no, now, not by

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you, by the police for murder. All right, come on, come

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on, what are you waiting for. Let's get this traffic moving, Get

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that car over, no parking on
the street. Hey, hey lady,

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look out, look out. All
right, all right, let me throw

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here, let me throw this hurt
pretty bad, oh shore, I guess

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I'll take care of her. She
ran right in front of your car and

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short, Yeah, I couldn't help
hit her. I stopped shar No,

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I know. All right, Back
up, everybody. I'm gonna carry this

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girl into that big house there and
phone for an ambulance. All right,

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all right, back up, give
me someone room. I'm coming through.

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Yes, I know you know?
Do you? That's fine? You know

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what's that supposed to do? Make
me happy? I don't know? You

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know, you don't know. Fine
satisfaction I'm getting from you, your district

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attorney, fighting crime as you're responsible. I'm only responsible for saying that guilty

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individuals are convicted. I don't trade
words with me. Markham, I've got

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connections, good political connections, as
you well know. Yes, I've been

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victimized. All my friends have been
victimized. There's a well organized gang of

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thieves operation. You're doing nothing about
it. I want something done. Yes,

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I know you do. Well,
then do something about it. Or

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you're here about it? Goodbye?
Do something about it just like that?

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Fine? Fine, well that's speaking. This is Markham Vans. Oh well,

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my friend, things can't be that
bad. That is a matter of

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opinion. I'm having some pressure to
put on me, and I don't know

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exactly what to do about it.
Can I help listen? Vance? Yes,

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there's been a series of robberies of
socially prominent people in this city.

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Generally, furs, jewelry and any
cash lying around have been taken. Yes,

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the robberies, in most cases have
taken place while parties were going on.

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According to my information, it's possible
that one or several of the female

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guests are part of an organized gang. Can you do anything about this?

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Vance? You certainly haven't given me
too much to work on. I've never

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stopped you before as it bother you. Now. On the contrary, it

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gives me added incentive that's good.
You seem to think a female gang is

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operating. Well, then the idea
for me is to lam all I can

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say Vans is happy. Shea Shane
likeness coat, Grace. Ye, get

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a look at the bag. Pretty
dark I always wanted too good? But

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whoever's wearing it? If you asked
me, and nobody's asked to Southern,

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I've been a lot of you before
you get started. Okay, we've got

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some things to talk over. Hu. Look, Doris, Yeah, I

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let you pull that job where you
got the coat, but from now on,

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no more working solo. Well,
I thought I did a pretty clever

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job. I pretended to get hit
by a car, was carried into missus

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William's house, and then while the
cop was phoning for an ambulance, I

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grabbed the coat and went out the
French windows. Seems to me the cop

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could describe you pretty well. But
of co's what would little o me?

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No, he Lito, you would
now nothing. Kept my arm over my

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face when he carried me into the
house. I wore a blond wig.

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Oh fine description he'll be able to
give. Oh you probably did something stupid,

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darling, Grace. I've taken all
I can from this name. I'm

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gonna tear apot little by back on
the trap. Oh, let go all

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right out, that's my name on
our face, you little I ever get

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this gun out of my bag?
Over there? Y you that gun?

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No there, all right now,
both of you, I said, stopping,

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I mean stop. She trying to
kill me, she trying to shop

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me. I'm gonna stand there and
get scalped all right. No, I

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won't have any more of this fix. You're gonna stop once and for all,

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because we've got a job to do. Job all three of us are

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needed for. Yeah, and it's
a big job, the biggest we've ever

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tried. Now listen to me.
I'll listen, Grace. But are you

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sure you and I couldn't do this
job alone? Oh? How many more

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times do I have to push these
pedals? Please continue, Missus Williams.

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It is excellent for the kid you
already I can see an improvement. I'm

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tired push these pedals, knowing no
places and my idea of fun. Oh

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oh, give me a massage,
Floretta. Yes, Missus Williams, if

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you will come over here to the
table and lie down, best suggesting you've

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made all day? Ah that is
fine. No, I cover you with

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this shit and I work on your
shoulders first. Mm hmmm mm hm ah,

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hand me that box of chocolates,
Florette. Oh but missus Williams,

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you'll figure I've got to give you
something to work off, don't I chocolates?

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Please? Well? Are you?
Thank you? Good? Mm hmm.

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I wonder if the police found that
girl told my fur coat we were

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the third. I'm sure try.
Oh who could that? I find out?

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I will be right that I have
to hurry on my account. I'm

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enjoying my shof Well who watch it? For it? I do not know

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yet? Yes whoa man outside?
His name is Final Events. The butler

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told him you appear, so he
came up again Final Events. M He

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is private investigator. He read about
your coat being stolen, and he wishes

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to talk to you about it.
Oh yes, my damn coming by all

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men, m coming along, Missus
Williams. I'm violent. How do you

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doing, mister vern chocolate? No? Thank you? You don't mind if

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I go right ahead, Missus Williams, your for a coulte was stolen.

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A woman affaked an accident was carried
in here, and she took the cold

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and disappear while the policeman was calling
for an ambulance. You're ready about newspapers?

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Yes? Will you tell me what
the woman looked like? I'm the

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slightest sure. Policeman tied her into
my room, left her there to make

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the phone call. By time he
came to tell me I had company,

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she she had vanished. I see, I thought perhaps you might be of

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some help, but apparently I was
wrong. I'm sure. How can I

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get to something to make up for
her? Oh? Thank you very much.

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I have my massages at the club. Oh, venture is something I

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didn't tell the police, and maybe
you'd like to know. Yes, No,

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a woman, whoever she was,
took a pair of stocking, as

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it belonged to me. In addition
to the coat, she left a souvenir

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one torn stocking of her own.
She left one stocking here. Well,

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I'll have Floretta get it for you
if you like it. Rip, but

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it might mean something to you.
It's certainly mike, missus Williams. When

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she left her one stocking, our
thief made her one mistake. Sit down,

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advance, glad to see you,
Thank you, Markam. I dropped

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in to report a little progress in
the case you asked me to work on.

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How little very at the moment.
But look at this stocking here all

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right, looks just like a stocking
to me, it's ripped. But what's

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its supposed to tell me? I'll
tell you what it tells me. It

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will help me describe the girl who
stole Missus Williams fur coat, and who

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might well be part of the gang
that you're looking for. Please go ahead

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and do your describing. The girl
is slender, tall, particularly fastidious about

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her clothes, as a disciplined mind, and as a brunette. I believe

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you know that from this stocking it's
true. Notice the length of the stocking

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marker man beside, yes, it's
marked eleven. That's very large. Indicates

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the wearer had a large foot.
And so I believe she's tall. And

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what's this about being fastidious in her
dress? She took the time to steal

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a pair of stockings from Missus William's
room, even though she was in a

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hurry to get out, because she
didn't want to be seen on the street

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with a ripped stocking. Uh huh? And why is she a brunette?

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Because the policeman who picked her up
said she was a blonde. The woman

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was careful to shield her face.
The blonde hair was obviously used as a

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decoy. I agree with everything so
far, But you claim she has a

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well disciplined mind. Yes, how
can you possibly say that? The fact

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that she left only the ripped stocking
at missus William's house, Markham, she

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took with her the other stocking she
was wearing what good will one stocking?

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Door? And how does that explain
that she had an orderly and well trained

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mind. I'll let you know as
soon as I know whether I'm right or

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not. At the moment, I'm
going to see whether or not I can

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find her. And only one thing
disturbs me about that, and that is

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I haven't the slightest idea where to
look. Well, Doris, that's a

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very pretty fire, don't you think
if you like fires? Beautiful fire I

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haven't seen. I did a modifying
job, not I'll never get it under

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control. Would you like to know
why I think it's a pretty fire?

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No? Especially I have a pretty
good idea you have now? Who will

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ever guess it? Sally someday?
Why don't you both stop? This is

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no time for fighting. We should
be celebrating. Why that fire means we're

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out of the pennyandy business of stealing
furs and jewelry and selling them the fences.

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Oh, we're in a new business, a big business, the three

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of us, crazy darling. Like
I said once before when you mentioned the

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three of us, it always occurs
to lead the door, including one two

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minutes. This is just your attorney, Markham. The case we're working on

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Cancerns, a series of robberies and
wealthy homes done, we believe, by

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a group of women. Final Vans
is working on case, but his only

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result so far is a description he
has of one of the members of the

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gang. The description obtained from a
ripped nylon stocking. The last day or

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so is resulted in no new developments. The gang is still active, we

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believe, although we don't know how
or where it might be. Yes,

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sir mister Apple will see you now, miss No, thank you. You

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wait here, Sallie showing up,
Grace. I'll wait right here, honey,

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I've got me a magazine and all. Oh hello, mister Raban,

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come in, come in. She's
done all right, well as our enterprise

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concluded. Successfully, Oh yes,
yes, quite good fire, very good

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fire, glad you liked it.
Now there remains only one little detail,

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a matter. Oh judge just a
momently, yes, will you want anything

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more tonight, mister Rabbot? I
know you can leave now if you like.

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Thank you, good night, good
night, my secretary. So I

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imagine, mister Rabbett, I was
about to say that there remained only one

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detail of that little job we did
for you. You gave us a deposit.

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We set the fire, you'll collect
the insurance. Now we want our

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money. Twenty thousand was the balance
was in? Oh no, don't get

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cute. Is there something you think
you might do a body if I refuse

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to pay you the rest of the
money, don't forget you committed the crime

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you arranged for me to do it. Yes, I wonder how you'd ever

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prove that good day? I said, good day? Just wait one moment,

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would you please, mister Abbott?
What do you want me to wait

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for? You'll find out? Sally, ya come in here a minute?

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Will you shown up? Wi you? What is it? Hi? Sally?

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Yeah? Yes, mister Abbott doesn't
think he has to pay us the

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money he promised for setting the fire. Oh he doesn't convince him, Sally,

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Oh look here neither of you can
threaten me. I could put you

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both a gun. I don't think
he's convinced. Sally, he's talking about

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putting us in jail. He is
well at Claire, wasn't he the silliest

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man. Abbot's office was on the
second floor of this building. Vance it's

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easier to walk up and wait for
the elevator. It's fine with me,

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Marcolm. You've been shot twice e
and the cleaning woman found him dead.

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That's right. Our homicide department checked
with his secretary, but after telling us

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that there were two women in the
office when she left, and mentioning some

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other minor details, she got hysterical. All I hope is that one of

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the girls fits the description I gave
you, Markholm, the one I got

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from the ripped nylon stocking vans.
This is one of the few times you

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were completely wrong. Of course,
it's possible the two women in the office

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had nothing to do with our gang
of of that matter, with the shooting.

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But neither of them, according to
the secretary, looked even remotely like

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the woman you described. That's nice
and complicating, if not exactly complimentary.

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One thing more, Markham did the
secretary know either of the two women in

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the office. No, And here's
a strange thing. She said they were

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obviously there by appointment, but she
never called them. Yeah, let's go

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ahead, Hello Collins, Hello Colins, mister Vans, and I want to

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go into mister Abbot's private office.
Well, Grid ahead, day and the

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body has been removed, but nothing's
been touched. The homicide men left everything

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the wad world by the puzzled expression
Vans, the women were here by appointment,

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but the secretary didn't make the appointment, and means something might I want

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to take a look at Abbott's desk
there it is what are you looking for?

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A book with telephone numbers? Private
phone numbers? If there is such

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a thing, and there certainly should
be there generally is. Yes, here

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we are the book, but it
seems should be blinking. Wait a minute,

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as you were going through those pages, I thought I saw some writing

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toward the middle of the book.
Go backab would your Van's answer? I

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hope you're right. It might be
a very important thing if you were their

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Vans right there on that page.
Oh yes, five phone numbers, no

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names or addresses, just five numbers. Well, what do we do now?

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Now we do two things, Markham. We call every one of those

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numbers, and we hope one of
them will lead us to those two women.

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Wait a minute, well, who
are you? Hello? My name

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is Vance Final Vans. May I
come? Thank you? What do you

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want some information? May I sit
down? Thank you? You are taken

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awful for granted? Yes, don't
I Your name is Grace Dolling, isn't

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it? I found your phone number? Do you think there's a reward for

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returning it? The only reward I
expect is satisfaction, I think. Oh

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company, come in please. My
name is Vance. I'm glad to see

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you, very glad, tall,
dark, slimber, very well dressed.

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Oh what's with this individual? Grace? What does he want? I don't

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know, but I'm going to find
out fast. Now. Look, you

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forced yourself in here? Was yourself
to leave off killer? Sally? I

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don't. We've got company. I
don't care who we got to get her

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going over? She'll never we'll forever
more. How are you? Oh sir?

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Well that was a quick transition if
ever I saw one. He look,

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Vance, don't make me get tough. Oh this is my house.

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You've got no right here? I
good sir, you out and be perfectly

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justified. You know that, don't
you. I also know you're big enough

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to do it. I'd hate to
think you mean anything personal in that remark.

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You are a hats right there on
the table. Vance, goodbye.

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Sorry your visit was so short and
uneventful. Don't be silly, miss Dilling.

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I got everything I came here for. How are you making out with

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that window? Vance? I can
handle it. I think the trick is

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to do it without making too much
noise. All three of the women are

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downstairs. I know we saw them
through the window. I got down here

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as soon as I could out to
your phone me. This window would squeak,

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wouldn't I don't think anybody heard it. Go on into the room,

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Vance as while I was shaking.
I'm practically yeah, yeah, come on

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in, Marcom. I'll give you
a hand. There we are made it.

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Here's a flash by Vance. All
the beam of the dress a drawer

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that's at Markham. Now, if
we're in the right room, the room

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of the girl called Doris, this
case is almost over. This is her

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room, all right. There are
a couple of letters to Doris tailor this

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address. There's a single bed in
the room, so she stays here alone.

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I'm proud of you, Markham.
Now look for some stockings. Stockings,

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Yes, they won't be in this
drawer. What's in this box?

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It looks like the stocking box my
wife has at home. That's what it

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is. I told you the girl
had a well disciplined mind. Stocking box

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proves it. Six pair of stockings, Markham, None of them knew and

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all of them rolled up. This
roll looks larger to me than the others.

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That's what I was hoping to find. Unroll at Markham and you'll find

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three stockings, not two. Well, that doesn't prove these girls are the

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ones we're looking for, but it's
enough to set the stage for a little

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scene I think you'll enjoy. Doris, you know good double Cross and Dane.

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This is the time you get it. Get out of my room,

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Sally, get out, but you'll
stay in here permanently. Look at this,

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No, look at it. What's
that in your other hand. It's

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a knife, sweetheart, and it's
gonna be all yours in a minute.

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So you were gonna tip the cops
off to me? Were you too?

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You're gonna tell him I killed Abbott? What are you talking about? Stop

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playing innocent? A kid brought this
note back, said somebody in his house

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gave it to him to take the
headquarters. He described you crazy kid said

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he lost the car fare you gave
and came back for more. I saw

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the note was addressed to the cops, so I opened it and read it.

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I never wrote any letter. This
is a trick. That's your story.

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Grace isn't here to protect you.
Now. This is the last stop

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for you. Kid. You get
off right here, You get away from

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me. Don't come nit me with
that knife. You would ride on the

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whole set up. Would you tell
him all about you and me and Grace

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and the jobs we pulled and try
and cop up? Please so they go

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easy on you. I didn't I
tell you. Sure, that's what you

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say. Okay, I'll play your
way. Go ahead, break up the

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house, keep throwing lamps. I'll
remember that. Do you can't walk back

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much further, Doris, this is
something I wanted to do for a low

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Oh my hair, you nick do
hair me? Would you show you kill

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hire your stop it? Oh Markholm, there are two thirds of the beginning.

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When Grace comes back, we'll pick
her up and then I'll tell you

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how a stocking gave this young lady
away, or, in other words,

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how the host turned on her.
To begin with Markholm. When Doris left

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Missus William's house, she took with
her one stocking. You want to know

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why, I certainly do. That's
the general idea of this, isn't it?

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After all? The case is over. I have my confessions. Grace

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and her gang not only killed Abbott
but were responsible for all those society robberies.

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Now tell me about this Doris.
You remember I said she had a

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well disciplined mind. Yes, she
was in a hurry at Missus William's house,

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but she remembered to take the one
good stocking with her. Why.

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That's where I came in on it. Why remember, because she had another

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pair the same shade and quality at
her house. Most women buy two pair

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of stockings of the same shade and
quality, so that if anything happens to

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one stocking, they have a pair
and a replacement for that pair. Ollo.

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Yes, yes, I do know. Doris thought of that, even

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when she was in a hurry to
leave a William's house with Missus Williams for

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a coat. Right now, we
get on a little further, we found

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five numbers in Abbott's book. You
called all five. Found a legitimate connection

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between Abbot and four of the numbers. So I went to call on the

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name and address of the fifth.
I know you did, But what happened

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there that let you set the trap? I found there was a big feud

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going on between Doris and Sallie New
Doris wasn't at Abbot's office. The secretary

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didn't describe her, remember, So
I thought of the note idea, hired

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a neighborhood boy and told him what
story to tell Sally when he brought the

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note back to the house who wrote
that note, My secretary Ellen got a

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big kick out of it too.
Well. I guess there's nothing more to

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tell you, Marcolm, except that
finding that third nylon and dr stocking box

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after you and I climbed in the
window confirmed my theories. We were there

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later when Sally brought in Ellen's note. That's right, you actually broke the

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case. After we got to the
top of the ladder. Yes, after

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we got to the top of the
ladder, we came to the end of

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the nylon murder case. Welcome back. There are a number of things I

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have to say about this episode.
First of all, let's just be clear

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that in committing breaking and entering,
Vance literally called the da over to hold

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the ladder to be his accomplice.
I mean, this type of thing is

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not beneath or typical radio private Eye. But maybe give the district attorney a

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little bit of plausible deniability by not
directly involving him in your crimes. I

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did find it curious that Vance was
sure that the thief was a brunette because

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she had been wearing a blonde wig. Don't redheads exist in this world?

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Or are they just so rare in
the Filo Vans universe that it's not even

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considered because redheads make up two percent
of the population. Although Fillo Vans isn't

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the only crime show to pretend that
the choice in hair is blonde or brunette,

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which is kind of a weird approach. As much as I hate to

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agree with Sally, she did have
a point. What exactly did Doris add

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to the new Arson for Higher business
model? I guess I've Arson for Hire

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has probably never been described as a
business model, But be that as it

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may, Grace was the one who
made the contacts and made the plans,

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and Sally was the person who set
the fires and was the gun toting psychopathic

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enforcer. There's no practical job in
this for Doris, for presence, just

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sets up cat fights between her and
Sally. Well that plus, I guess

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having three people involved makes it same
for like a gang than two, although

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you know, as I look into
it, there's not a numerical limit on

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how many members you have to have
to have a criminal gang. But my

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position is if you don't have enough
criminals to play a bridge game, you

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don't really have a gang. You
have three gals up to no good,

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not an organized gang. As Markham
said, and speaking of Markham, it

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was interesting to have him acknowledge what
his appropriate role was, which is prosecuting

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criminals. But it seems in that
conversation with the citizen that he was trying

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to have it both ways. If
you're going to be the district attorney that

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micromanages every single homicide investigation or any
major crime investigation, you can't complain when

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prominent citizens lean on you for action
and pretend that, oh, I'm just

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a district attorney. I don't actually
do anything other than prosecute another thing.

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I actually think that Sally as this
Southern bell guntoting psychopath wasn't interesting idea.

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They made a weird decision in having
her not actually be a Southern Bell but

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the accent be a fake. And
this is something I think that we talked

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about it way back in the Rumba
murder case, where sometimes this show has

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people use fake accents for no reason. It might make sense for her to

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use a fake accent around Filo Vans, around her own criminal associates. It

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doesn't make a like a sense.
However, on a positive note, I

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do want to praise missus Williams credo
when she was talking to her trainer and

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offered the reason for eating chocolates that
she needed something for her trainer to burn

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off. I think that is a
perfectly reasonable eplanation and a lot of us

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can identify with it. All right, listener comments and feedback now, and

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we have a comment from Stephen who
writes, my wife sometimes listens to my

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podcast in the background. As soon
as they discovered the body, she said,

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the secretary did it. I told
her the secretary hadn't been given a

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motive. I then told her how
I thought the murder was committed. A

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few minutes later, I had to
tell her I was wrong. Markham had

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just suggested my solution, and Markham
is never right. Markham and I were

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wrong about the method and my wife
was right about the killer. Well,

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thanks so much, Stephen. As
much as I like to dunk on Markham,

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the fact is, even when you
have a solid side character, whether

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you're talking about Watson from Sherlock Holmes
or Mark Donovan from Frank Race or Brooksie

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from What George did It? Or
fill Us from Michael Shane, anytimes some

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character who is not the detective suggest
your solution, you know that you were

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wrong because they're not the star of
the show. But what exception to this

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are those programs that tried to be
smarter by having the police be right from

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the beginning. Sometimes, yeah,
when you hear your solution from the side

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character, you know that that is
generally not it. Then we have a

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comment from Mark on YouTube who writes, thank you for all you've done for

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me as I'm approaching seventy and wouldn't
know facebook from Tick Tacto. Well,

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thank you so much, Mark.
Then there's a comment, this one was

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left on the Twicehold Tale episode.
Thank you for sharing this I never want

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these recordings to be forgotten. It's
such a window into the past on so

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many different levels. Well, thank
you so much. Just tone appreciate your

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the Henderson Matter, where counters with
the Adjustment Agency. Yeah you see,

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mister dollars like this. I've been
over in Jackson Hole for five days now

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hunting duck. We were way in
and I didn't hear about Henderson's death until

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I got back yesterday. Ah.
Now, oh, look, mister Dollar,

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I don't know what reflection this will
have on your attitude toward this case.

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But two days before I left,
mister Henderson telephoned me here in Great

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Falls. He said he wanted to
change the beneficiary on his policy. In

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other words, he was going to
cut his wife out. Yes, I

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suppose, so I know they weren't
getting along. They'd been talk of divorce,

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yes, I guess. So.
Huh did he name a new beneficiary?

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Yes, a school teacher and culver
name until the Knickerbocker. Everybody calls

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her Maddie. What was his connection
with her? None that I know of.

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I think it was just a name
from the throw in until he could

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decide on another beneficiary. Or why
he didn't have Mannie Knickerbark just a school

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teacher. Everybody knows her. He
was awful mad when he talked to me

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that day. I could tell it
in his voice. Now here's what might

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interest you just a little more.
The day I left in my hunting trip,

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mister Henderson phoned me again. He
said, to never mind, missus

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Henderson was still his beneficiary. Had
you changed the policies yet? No?

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Are you sure it was Henderson a
telephone? I think it was him.

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Do you remember when you got the
call? Somewhere around noon? A little

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later. I guess he died between
twelve thirty and one. It must have

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been just before he fell out the
window. He phoned your long distance from

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cover. Yes, or well.
He was supposed to have been in the

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hotel all morning, so he had
to phone from his room. But you

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can check that, can't you.
She'd be surprised how hard it is to

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check simple things like that around the
Beaute Hotel. Did you know Henderson very

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well, mister Thurber, He was
a customer. I wrote a lot of

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insurance for him now his wife?
Oh yes, I hope you'll be with

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