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This is Later with Lee Matthews,
The Lee Matthews Podcast more what you Hear

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weekday afternoons on the Drive. Nancy
Greens is an award winning legal commentator,

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victims rights advocate, broadcast journalists,
a New York Times bestselling author of four

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books. She appears regularly on ABC's
twenty twenty Nightline, Fox News, Daily

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Mail, and Manie Moore. She's
got a new podcast out on the iHeartRadio

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app and everywhere you get podcasts,
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nancy,

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we enjoy your morning features every day
I gather in the podcast. You're gonna

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get a little deeper in the weeds. Yes, we do. And first

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of all, thank you for inviting
me. I've got nothing but wonderful memories

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of Oklahoma City. We went on
an RV trip across the country, my

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husband, myself and the two children, and we went through Oklahoma City and

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the people there were amazing. Thank
you, Thank you for mentioning crime Stories.

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It is not only a podcast with
you on iHeart, we just moved

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it to the TV screen on MSM
that start to field the network. And

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I'm just thrilled to be with you
today and I'm thrilled to be part of

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iHeart some of the stories. What
are they that you're going to be taking

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on on crime stories with Nancy Grace. Well, we cover crimes of the

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day, especially crimes where I believe
we can make a difference. For instance,

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we have been covering the two Kansas
moms that were carjacked and murdered over

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what a custody dispute, and believe
it or not, the purpose seems to

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be a we can grandma slash mother
in law who orchestrated the entire double murder

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so she could get custody of the
grandchildren insane. I'm working on the case

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of Shade Robinson, a teen girl
in college who went on the first day

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with the son of a Milwaukee millionaire
and she was murdered. Trying to help

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her mother work through shah Day's murder
and get justice for her. Of course,

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I'm on the Brian Coburger case,
the Idaho quadruples play as we seek

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justice in that My mission as a
crime victim myself is to help find missing

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people, especially children, and help
solve unsolved homicide. When that case broke,

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the one you just referred to about
the troubled mother trying to reconnect with

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her children and murdered by what appears
to be a plot that was worked out

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by her evil mother in law.
The first thing that occurred to me,

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Nancy, was all the poor children, Now, what's going to happen to

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them? Because their only guardian at
the time is now in jail. Oh

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my stars, can you believe that
the custody I believe is going to end

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up with the father, the biological
father, who was in rehab at the

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time. Okay, so that's that's
not helping anything. But he's in rehab,

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and then you've got the bio parent, the mother. That's how it's

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going to play out. I hope
these children do not end up in foster

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care. You and me both crime
stories with Nancy Grace. You know her

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from many things, not only the
four books she's written, but ABC's twenty

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twenty Nightline, Fox News and now
on Doctor Phil's network. That's going to

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be a great fit for you.
Well, I'll tell you what, Doctor

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Phil and I go way way back. I love doctor Phil. I love

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his wife, Robin. Oh my
goodness, that little lady is a dynamo.

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I love her, and they've been
very kind to me. Over the

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years and I'm thrilled to be part
of that. I heeart helps us the

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staff here at Crime Stories, get
the word out about missing people, about

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fallen officers killed in the line of
duty, what we can do to help

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crime victims, and I'm just so
grateful for that opportunity. Crime Stories with

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Nancy Grace the podcast heard on the
iHeartRadio app. You hear her morning features

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on this station as well, and
also now about to be on the Doctor

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Film Network with Crime Stories with Nancy
Grace. One thing I've noticed covering these

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stories, Nancy, when the officials
are very tight lipped, when the officials

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are not letting things out, are
being very quiet about things, they usually

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know something they're trying not to tip
their deck of suspect, is what I

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gather. But usually that's what I
say on my radio program is Okay,

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we're not hearing a lot for a
reason because they know. I think that

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typically that's true or as And this
is no affront to law enforcement because I

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am from a law enforcement background.
I was a felony prosecutor for ten years

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in inter city Atlanta, handling nothing
so violent crime, and for years before

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that, I was a fed so
I support our police and to what you're

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saying, yes, I believe for
the most part they don't say anything because

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they're about to make an arrest or
they don't want to tip off someone of

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the investigation. And sometimes they don't
know what the haze is going on.

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Nobody knows that they can't figure it
out. Perfect example is Delphi where Liberty

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and Abbey were abducted off of the
trestle Bridge and then murdered, and that's

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through no thought of the police.
They were doing everything they could. It

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just took a long period of time
to figure out the local pharmacy tech did

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it or so police say, we'll
see when that goes to trial, But

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that took a long time to unravel, and to their credit, it's kind

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of amazing. We understand and this
will be born out at trial. I

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believe that between the two girls was
a bullet somewhere on the crime scene where

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their bodies were found. They were
not shot, we don't believe, but

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why was there a bullet That bullet
had cycled through a gun, not shot

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by a gun cycled through like you
know, you're showing off and you put

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a bullet in there and you cycle
it through and he dropped it. That

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bullet matched up to a gun of
the pharmacy text. Now that took some

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police work right there. Oh yeah, they did it because the bullet had

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not been they know, and sometimes
they don't have They don't have any idea.

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The bullet had not been fired,
so there wasn't a lot of telltale

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grooves that they could match up.
But just with the have it being racked

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through the slide, they were able
to find enough distinguishing markings to match that.

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No, what you know what that
taught me something. I've done plenty

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of shooting cases, murderers agasoul and
I have striation marks on the bullet,

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which you know, it's like a
fingerprint. It goes back to only one

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gun, one gun only. I
didn't know until this case that when you

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cycle or racket a bullet, it
also leaves a mark. I did not

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know that. Now I do,
Thanks Heaven, and you will too if

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you listen to Crime Stories with Nancy
Grace the podcast. I got to ask,

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Nancy, you've been on both sides
of the system. What are your

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thoughts on our current federal justice system. Well, let me use the word

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I don't allow my sixteen year old
twins to say it suck. But it's

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not just the beds. I mean, we spend money, millions, billions

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of dollars on so many things in
our government. But with a burgeoning population,

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doesn't anybody get that the criminal population
is rising as well? And to

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use a revolving door to let purpse
out of jail, to go right back

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out and re offend, it's crazy. And I don't know what it's going

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to take a stick of dynamite,
you know where for cover? I don't

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know. I guess it's going to
take one of their children or wives to

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be murdered before it hits home.
It happened to me. My fiancee was

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murdered when I was in college studying
Shakespeare in literature. I know what it

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feels like, and I don't want
anyone to feel that way. It's happening

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more and more and more with repeat
offenders. So until Congress and the President,

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whoever they may be, I hate
Republicans and I hate dumb crat they

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all live. Until they understand our
crime problem, it's going to rise.

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Crime will rise again. We need
rehab centers, addiction centers, and more

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correction facilities. Aka Jails Crime Stories
with Nancy Grace. You'll hear it on

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the iHeartRadio Appen everywhere you get podcast. Watch for the television version on Doctor

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Phil's network. We thank you for
joining us well, thank you so much,

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and good morning, I Come Diddy. Thanks for listening to Later with

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