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going through the highlights. I read
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guess what I expected it to be. I also want to play some clips

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from Tim. I think Tim dealt
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He gave a shout out to me
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I guess one good thing coming out
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who are a little more sane and
able to control themselves, or at least

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better understanding the other side positions.
So even though I know that Tim is

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not fully on board with us,
we're at least getting I think, better

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understandings. I noticed that he seemed
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not governed in this sort of autocratic
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just gonna play a few clips of
him talking about it, and then we're

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going to dive into the documents.
I thought This was an interesting point here

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where Tim says this, I,
however, have long and this is more

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a JP two thing than a Francis
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must, as a matter of being
intellectually honest, see that there is a

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grossly, vastly different conception of papal
authority. I don't even know if you

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can call it. You can call
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then there was in the Second Christian
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is that the Eastern Orthodox did not
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Second Christian millennium. And I mean, you can prove it a million other

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ways. That's that's the most ready
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of the eleventh century or Groan Gregorian
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Mayandorf Papadacus book, as well as
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with Sharshchensky book, and also from
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After nine hundred years, the Dvornic
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much better insight into the role of
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when I'm Sanctum of Boniface the eighth, and that there's clearly a pretty radical,

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almost you could say revolution in the
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in terms of how it understands itself
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the church. And so these are
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happy to see the other side understanding
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making these things up. This is
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just this new document. Really,
this document follows on a trail of documents

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which we've been talking about for a
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this document. Ultimately, this document, as Tim notes in his time,

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as I've been saying for many actually
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for a twenty twenty five reunion between
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decide with him and the Roman bishop. In order to do that, we

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need the series of documents like the
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There's others as well. There's a
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new Document references. These are all
key texts, and I've read these.

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I haven't read a couple of the
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older. But really the strongest of
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Alexandria admits pretty much most of our
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you know what we called out when
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did multiple podcasts myself, Snack,
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the question logical step of the question, which would be, okay, well,

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if this is the case, then
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as its focus. How can we
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So on the one hand, I
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in this text. It is the
reunion that we've been talking about for so

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many years. You can go back
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eight years ago about this topic where
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to plan an Accuminus reunion. Next
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the Council, and I see up
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last few years detailing this plan as
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they got rated because they were based
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if their site is up and available
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written articles kind of detailing the geopolitical
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website, I had heard this from
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people that I know who we're talking
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multiple confirmations as to why I thought
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we are. So on the one
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element of it. However, what's
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these documents. It's really kind of
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I would have never dreamed the concessions
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when I say that, a lot
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it's not ultimately about true theology.
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geopolitical reasons. And we know that
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power structure in the West, the
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block. They have been behind a
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of the last century, and it's
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money and power and influence into to
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soft power, and we saw the
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academic standpoint, the most important which
is of course the David Wimhoff book about

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Time Life magazine, and John Courtney
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intelligence books cover this as well.
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That's just kind of vindicating the point
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us some props for that, because
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a half ago. Now, what
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of the geopolitical stuff, even I'm
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here, and it's an I guess
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way to do it, because if
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then the next logical step, as
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to explain Vatican One, and that
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this of this paper. A large
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a revisionist understanding a Vatican One of
reinterpreting it. Now before we get into

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that, a lot of the Trads
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clapping back as usual as we can
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document, we don't care literally has
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which is that the concessions and the
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because if they're papally approved, and
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admitting to the historical contradiction, which
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In other words, Francis is essentially
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their admissions, because remember the new
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many places. Then essentially we're having
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that the Vatican One attitude, mindset, approach, et cetera wasn't what

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was going on in the first thousand
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notes here in a second to his
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second millennium, there's no reason why
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And that's precisely the route that they're
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third millennium, developing into a situation
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premissy of the Roman bishop for his
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the patriarchs and bishops in their sphere. So there's this reciprocity which is supposedly

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intended to quote balance out the claims
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kind of walking back. So we
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things like direct universal jurisdiction from Jesus
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you don't have to read it that
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does Vatican one read it? Let's
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going to start with the most glaring
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is one of the strongest that I
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that are pretty pretty wild, But
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institution of the absolute premacy in Peter, we teach and declare that, according

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to the gospel evidence, the primacy
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and direct upon the apostle Peter by
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alone, to whom the Lord called
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were the Christis, son of God, he said to blessed are you,

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Simon Barjona. Thus it was conferred. That's directly from Vatican one. What

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does the new document say, as
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noted the direct divine jurisdiction need not
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as a permanent institution was directly founded
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To Peter. Nor does this term
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source of the Church, as if
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him directly, the opposite of what
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clearly that to be saved you must
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Of course, Cantate Domino repeats that
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Rather, he is the sign of
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the Church, and the instrument through
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is a universal Primate, thus envisaged
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quinnanea of the whole church, that
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divine law can be applied. Now
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So the Roman Catholics are going to
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accept that they're just quoting the objection. While the nineteen ninety one Roman Catholic

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response to this expressed reservations about this
understanding, the CDF Congregation for the Doctrine

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of the Faith, that's the successor
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if you don't know, used similar
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episcopacy and the premiscy are reciprocal to
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or are of divine institution. So, in other words, the initial first

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statement that stuck out to me was
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the document explicitly says that the claim
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a way that thus contradicts Vatican One, the status of this document the new

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document is irrelevant because it means that
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that contradict what the actual text Aboutican
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not whether the document itself is dogmatic. So any Roman Catholic deflecting to the

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magisterial status of this document is distracting
from the obvious Francis is contradicting his own

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church is teaching it Vatican one,
not just by this text, but by

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allowing a revision and new reading and
rewording. Those are the terminologies that are

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used in the new document. Keep
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Grazias, the famous and cyclical of
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If you're a trad I know they
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it actually says that you cannot,
in the light of new historical evidences revise

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and reinterpret dogma. Lamentabiley is another
document that condemns many propositions. Also,

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Lamentabiley said the same thing as Pachndy, that you cannot use the modernist idea

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of new historical evolving revisions to alter
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way they were understood at the time. So the very approach of the document

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itself is a contradiction to Patchendy and
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approach of we could just reread it, reword it, bro got a problem,

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reinterpreted the way that works for you. Man. This is the trick

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of ecumenism, making it all so
ambiguous and dubious that it can be understood

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and reinterpreted however you want. That's
helped bureaucracies and propaganda work. You put

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out general statements. And the iron
here is of course, that this whole

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system is supposed to not be general. The whole point of a dogma is

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to clarify it was unclear. But
what happens in the Romancaloic system inevitably is

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that the dogmas then require another interpretation. We need Bishop Gasser's official interpretation of

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Vatican one. Wait a minute,
I thought Vatican one was the official dogmatic

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statement. Why do we need a
fallible interpretation of the infallible? Oh,

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well, it turns out there's also
another document that was received by pious as

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well about the German bishop's questions of
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brings us up. Oh, that's
the official interpretation. I thought it was

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Gasser. No, it's Bishop Gasser
and the fallible statement of a later pope

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about Vatican one. Those are the
official interpretations. So you see this as

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a never ending, recursive, recursive
spiral of where the thing that was supposed

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to be the thing that settles it
now gets reinterpreted and reworded and revised to

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eventually turn into whatever you need it
to be. This is the old bureaucratic

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trick. This is what they've been
doing forever. Vatican and the whole point

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of the document. Let's keep this
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well, this is just like a
collection of debate Bros arguments. So

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basically the Vatican just wanted to publish
a collection of arguments. No, that's

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not with the purpose of the document. The purpose of this document is to

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analyze the critiques and figure out a
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And it says that multiple times.
So it's almost like, I want,

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like, do people not read the
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the document is not collecting debate bro
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The whole purpose is acumenism. The
last section of the document is new acuminous

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approaches to the papacy, which worked
for all the other groups. That's the

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whole point of Obviously, that's the
point of the document. So we're dealing

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with a bunch of lawyers and a
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that that's not the purpose of the
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because hand wave, it's not infallible. You notice every time we ask these

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people for the infallible list of the
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one. Oh okay, so who
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these general generic criteria, and you
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of PayPal Ecumenical Council statements. Hopefully
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Yeah, so exactly, so the
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it promises. All right, So
let's get into the document and well,

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actually I want to read. Listen
this one other quote from Tim here the

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hand means of demonstrating the point and
if there can be an organic growth or

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whatever you whatever have you between papal
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the second, then conceivably in the
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change embracing popes like JP two,
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I think a lot of youth.
Absolutely true, Absolutely, Francis or even

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Benedict, Benedict even repeated. I
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Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger signed unam seen.
He's the one that signed the Justification Document

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with the Lutherans around the same time
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know. Around that time there was
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about justification which is a notorious,
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tries to make Luther's doctrine somehow acceptable, when, of course we all know

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that Pope Leo at the time totally
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heretic So I mean, it's just
just getting sorry. Scent is by the

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way, the John Paul the second
and cyclical that has to do with the

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role of the Bishop of Rome in
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document is the anniversary of what I'm
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Then you then that was an if
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have to take seriously that even though
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I have luckily reread recently, is
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mutable. How can it be perfectly
it's not. Though, Again, if

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you read Pachindi and if you read
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interpret the documents differently than they were
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and in their meaning. And for
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the trad world, you all know
Pacindi, this is one of the most

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famous and cyclicals of Pius the tenth. Again for trads, he's like the

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last you know sainted Pope, because
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Paul the Second. The whole point
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dogmas do not evolve, the meaning
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modernists in this document is precisely the
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a evolving religious experience that allows us
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the dogmas contrary to the way that
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the whole document goes through the methods, the presuppositions of the modernists, their

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view of dogma being able to be
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even to the point of the Magisterium
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changeable, and the whole document essentially
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Every trad knows this document. Now
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a lamentability and it's the same Pope, and it's called the Syllabus of Errors,

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which if I recall, is attached
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believe Vatican One, you also have
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about, you know, the ascent
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we can revise things based on new
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I think towards the end it gets
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Ever suspected Christ and trusted in the
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the very thing that that document says
we can is a way to read Vatican

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one document. Dogmas, sacraments,
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reality are only interpretations and evolutions of
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the external series of additions to a
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at that the evolution of these things
from a seed form is condemned. The

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organic constitution of the Church is not
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it's s susptible to evolution. Essentially, all of these ideas right, are

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things where it can evolve. Right, the Church must reconcile herself to modern

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scientific progress. Condemned scienteed, progress
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be readjusted condemned again. Pretty much
all Roman Catholics post Novas Orto believe about

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half of the things that are condemned
in LAMENTABILEI. So you can go read

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this for yourself. Of course,
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don't go they don't read this stuff. So those are key points to keep

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in mind for when the Roman Catholics
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sense of these taxes and the wording
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to the actual text here in a
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if it represented new dogmatic teaching on
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in the first Christian millennium when the
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will say tech trarchy was you know
the fins he means pentarchy. I don't

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know where he's I don't know why
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So sometimes the stream glitches. I
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So are we back? Hopefully we're
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later councils, especially the south of
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governed by the Roman bishop in consultation
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as the pentarchy. So it's actually
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So it's not a papal statement,
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of conciliarity and sinidality, which is
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Tim says tetrarchy, he means pentarchy
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be perfectly dogmatic in a crystallized form
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primacy itself, that was not operative. So Tim is wrestling with obviously here

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the things that we've been saying,
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forth, and now that we people
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is actually in the documents. The
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talking about. And you know,
Chi eighty was great in a lot of

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way, but the strongest statement really
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final court of appeals, it is
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conduct the retrial. Then we've got
the statement that other major seeds were also

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appealed to and that the Bishop of
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churches of the East. This is
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we have a double affirmation of this
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coping last week with this one by
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he had that power for the first
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Well, he didn't exercise it.
Wait a minute, so you can't roll

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out all your examples of him exercising
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So Clement goes out the door.
Formula for business goes out the door,

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the misuse of the Kansas Artica goes
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goes out the door. You understand, you can't have both of those things.

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You can't have a potential universal role
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and say, here's all my examples
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Obviously those things can't both be true. It's either one or the other.

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And by the way, if he
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how absurd is that that he's not
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created right. The Roman bishop has
this authority, in this power to universally

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have jurisdiction and solve disputes, but
he just sits back and doesn't do anything

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for a thousand years. Okay,
So you see how stupid the argumentation of

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these people is. They can't even
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when they have actually contradicted themselves.
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the pentarchy. Pentarchy tech tarchy was, you know, the five ce's was

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mainly the first five or six hundred
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didn't even have a college of cardinals
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ended. Yeah, I think it's
I just looked this up either day.

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The first cardinal is mentioned in the
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and I think ten or eleven hundred. I think it's around eleven hundred,

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like ten oh four, eleven oh
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it's in the Papadoccus Minor book.
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I'm just peppering you with I don't
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JP two's fingerprints are all over it
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Yeah, but it's not just foolishness
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Francis. It's actual historical issues that
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admitted. Now again, it's not
just the CHI eighty document with this great

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admission at the bottom here. Last
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the second millennium. It deals with
the barleyam It deals with the uncreated energies,

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basically admitting most of our positions,
not everything, but many of our

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positions, admits the usage of the
forgeries. It admits all the stuff you

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always hear us complaining about, which, by the way, is essentially Rome

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kind of saying okay, yeah,
you guys have a great point here.

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Now, with all of that in
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about Vatican One. Well, that's
the key point here, that's the big

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stumbling block here, And the approach
of the new document is interesting that they

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take some odd routes here. One
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Vatican One was one sided, and
when we get Vatican two. It's an

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attempt to sort of even out this
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collegiality and snidelity. And I mean
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guess, an understandable approach. But
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not even It's almost like it's an
admission of the contradiction. And the approach

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is, let's figure out ways to
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contradiction, you see. So let's
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which the first twenty nine pages is
not it's pretty boring. It's about

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twenty nine pages in toward it actually
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has reiterated several times the invitation of
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way of expressing premiacy. Now,
wait a minute, why do we need

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a new to express it? If
Vatican won is dogma, and why do

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we need a new way of expressing
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idea of new ways to exercise and
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John Paul of the Second noted that
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calling for a pastoral conversion of the
papacy and the central structures of the

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Catholic Church. He acknowledged the excess
of centralization, rather than proving helpful,

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complicates the church in her mission and
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Vatican one's premise is that greater centralization
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ensure the ability of the Roman pontiff
to guard and preserve the tradition that's tanned

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it down without blemish. Why would
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a pastoral conversion of the papacy,
that's bizarre. He especially laments the insufficient

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elaboration of episcopal conferences. Understanding this
openness to dialogue with all believers in Christ,

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making sinidelity a key theme of his
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of sinidelity grounded in the sense of
faith of the people and in the infallible

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in credendo fallible in faith. In
other words, the whole church will not

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apostatize or will not air well.
Okay, but that to me already smacks

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of bizarre wording and terminology given what
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one's pretty pretty brief, concise,
and to the point. It doesn't mince

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words, lays it out right.
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paragraph thirty eight. Catholics have rediscovered
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Catholics. Okay, Now, the
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saying, this document doesn't mean anything. It's just a statement of the debate

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bros arguments against this. It doesn't
mean no, no, this is a

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statement about you. It's not just
a document that collects debate bro arguments against

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Roman Catholics. It's a document that
talks about a whole bunch of stuff.

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In many places, it's talking about
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changing, rewording, revising. Catholics
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New Testament. So, in other
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the Orthodox. In fact, in
Matthew sixteen. Though this sounds like my

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argument that I always bring up,
why the same thing said to Peter appears

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to the whole college in Matthew eighteen. Yeah, exactly. The same statements

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also appear to the other apostles in
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not just given to Peter alone,
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Are given to the entire body of
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just kind of an admission here of
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which is something that the Orthodox are
always arguing. Next, finally, Catholics

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have always been confronted with other views
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petri ministry. In other words,
admitting that Peter didn't just die and establish

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a church at Rome. Peter founded
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this admits that, and it notes
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that another church has taken off from
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Church of Peter and Paul, that
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a fact in the New Testament,
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So, in other words, the
premiacy of Rome, it's fine to

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say that it derives from Peter.
The problem is that there's nothing about Peter

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dying in Rome, or the Church
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by the way, this text admits
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apostolic because of Peter M. Paul. Vatican One actually says Southisk Pastor Returnas

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says that you cannot say that the
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doubly apostolic. You have to say
this is because of Peter alone. And

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yet, as this document admits,
the reason that it's Petrine that the roman

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Sea has sort of singled out is
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But wait a minute, is not
enough. Because he died there In the

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Latin Church, the martyrdom and burial
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the Petrion text and it cites Tertullian. Okay, so what so this is

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proven by Tortullian? Well, Urtullian
says, all kinds of does citing Tertullian

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prove Montanism? Well he this was
before he was a Montanous, So so

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what I mean, it's fine to
talk about early attestations. And even if

401
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we can see that the martyrdom and
burial Peter is the basis for the tradition

402
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of applying the Patrion text to the
Bishop of Rome. It doesn't follow from

403
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that that everything that Peter had or
that there's an infallibility because Peter died.

404
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,960
There you see the leaps that are
made. The reference to scriptural text highlighting

405
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the role of Peter appears as early
as the second secondary phenomena compared to the

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primary practice. So this is citing
one of the ecumenical meetings with Leo.

407
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The correlation between the Bishop Rome and
the Church and the image of Peter,

408
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which had already been implied by some
of his predecessors, became explicit correct.

409
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But we don't see, as the
document later admits, ex opery operato direct

410
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universal autocracy. We just see Peter
beginning to Leo, beginning to link the

411
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sea more and more to Peter himself. That's the point of this admission here,

412
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and that's fine. We wouldn't even
having a problem with this as Orthodox.

413
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Some of this conviction is supported by
the bishops of the Council of Chalcedon

414
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in their approval of Leo's tone to
Flavian. However, uh oh, what

415
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does it mean that Peter has spoken
through Leo? Others observe that Leo's tone

416
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was accepted because it was consistent with
the teachings the serial of Alexandria, the

417
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very thing we always argue to these
people. The Council was careful to underline

418
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Leo's argument with zero cyril. Excuse
me exactly all right? Next forty five?

419
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Oh wait, I just read that
one Orthodox International Orthodox cowth the International

420
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:39,239
Dialogue describes this theological development in the
West as the primacy of the Sea of

421
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Rome as it was under so,
particularly from the fourth century onwards, in

422
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reference to Peter's role amongst the apostles. So notice nothing in this is as

423
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of yet at all claiming anything like
Vatican won. So what we're noticing is

424
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an evolution of the idea, which
is the very thing that we've always said

425
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is Orthodox. Okay, the Orthodox
position has not ever been saying that Peter

426
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:07,199
has no role, or that Rome
was never considered first, or anything like

427
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,039
that. It's a question of what
does it mean to say that Rome was

428
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:14,239
first and that Rome had premiacy.
Does that equate to the claims about it

429
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,960
can win. That's the whole issue. Noticed, this amazing admission the premiacy

430
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:24,880
of the Bishop of Rome among the
bishops was gradually interpreted as a prerogative that

431
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was his because of his successorship to
Peter the First Apostles, This understanding was

432
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:45,519
not adopted in the East, which
had different interpretations. What did she ades

433
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:52,119
say? The Bishop of Rome did
not exercise canonical authority over the churches of

434
00:42:52,159 --> 00:43:07,840
the East. So this cancel out
their attempts at using they're bad examples from

435
00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:12,920
the first five centuries and ephesis and
all of that to prove the very thing

436
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:21,320
that these documents are manting. Isn't
there so Celestine pote Victor over a Quarterdesseminarian

437
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,400
presides in love Clement, all of
these are cancer that it's in other words,

438
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:42,360
of say admitting that these don't prove
that all right, Next is forty

439
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:58,039
nine. This is a statement that
I said earlier, is the power conferred

440
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:01,559
upon Peter direct from Christ. It's
quoting one of the documenical documents saying that

441
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:07,960
it need not be understood as directly
from Christ, which is the contradictory contradiction

442
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:15,079
with the statement in Vatican I.
Even the writers of this realize that's a

443
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:17,079
problem. That's why they say.
The nineteen ninety one a Catholic response to

444
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:22,760
this document said that there's reservations.
Oh but the CDF says no, Actually,

445
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:43,840
it's kind of cool and it works. Next up thirty eight, one

446
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,639
must further pose the question of whether
and to what degree the Roman Catholic Church

447
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:52,239
fundamentally sees the possibility of a form
of communion for non Catholic churches with the

448
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:59,880
pope. I mean, imagine saying
this and not knowing about un I'm sunk.

449
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:07,559
I mean, this is just like
kind of crazy when I'm signing to

450
00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:15,079
them as the thirteen oh two definition
of the One Holy Catholic Roman Catholic Apostolic

451
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:20,159
Church and what's necessary to be saved. Of course, this document doesn't just

452
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:27,559
teach that quote. Furthermore, we
declare, we proclaim, we defined that

453
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it is absolutely necessary for salvation that
every human creature be subject to the Roman

454
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:38,960
Pontiff, clear as they. I
mean, at least the medieval papacy didn't

455
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:45,119
mince words and engage in all this
bureaucratic ambiguity. At least they were clear

456
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:50,519
in what they said. But now
we're at the point where, in all

457
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:55,400
of this historical revision crap, we
can actually just say, let's find a

458
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:01,239
way a new type of union that
allows for people outside of the church explicitly,

459
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:06,880
explicitly rejecting many of the doctrines of
the Romancalloic Church to be in communion.

460
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,719
How do we do that, Well, we figure out a way in

461
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:15,360
which the essence of the petrime ministry
is preserved, and we just kind of

462
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:19,719
redefine it to where you can have
like a fifty percent papacy, a forty

463
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,559
percent papacy awarding communion with eighty percent
papacy. Over here in our church,

464
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,440
Protestants, they are like thirty percent. Literally, that's what this So this

465
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:36,639
document is intended explicitly to explore the
many ways that they might find degrees of

466
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:43,599
communion with the Pope to heal the
wounds of the church. In other words,

467
00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:46,840
it is no longer a question of
being inside or outside the church.

468
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,679
Whereas in Vatican One, for example, you are excommunicated and damned if you

469
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:58,840
reject the Vatican One definitions of the
papacy. Clear as day in the Council

470
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,760
of Trent, if you rejected this
teachings of the Council of Trent, and

471
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:07,039
it's anathemas you are actu communicated and
damned. But now that was a historical

472
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:13,519
reality that could be revised to where
there's degrees of communion that we can find

473
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:19,239
in terms of new unions with the
Roman See this is regarded, this is

474
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:25,800
ridiculous, and obviously the document is
intended to do this. The whole purpose

475
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,079
of the document is to find a
new way to make Vatican One work.

476
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:36,320
That's why the next gigantic chunk of
the document is about figuring out how to

477
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:42,719
understand reword Vatican One. But notice
this is a pretty amazing admission here.

478
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:50,880
We need to figure out a new
way to find communion for non Catholics with

479
00:47:51,159 --> 00:48:01,480
Peter that are other than the canonical
forms of the Middle Ages, in canonical

480
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:07,760
forms other than those in the Middle
Ages. So they understand the embarrassment of

481
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,239
the medieval papacy. They want to
move away from that, and they understand

482
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,320
it. The only way they're going
to get all of these other people who

483
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,559
don't accept this stuff to come into
it is to reword it and revise it.

484
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:34,159
Next is, since the Middle Ages, Catholic theologians have claimed the ministry

485
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,280
of the pope is a direct divine
law. It is directly a power and

486
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:45,239
authority given by God. These ideas
can be traced prior to Vodican one.

487
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,960
Then it goes into the Council of
Florence, which again restates the notion that

488
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:54,239
you have to be in union with
the Roman bishop to be saved. Right,

489
00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:00,760
It reaffirms what when I'm Sanctum says. Then it admits that there was

490
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:06,039
a phenomena of unionism where they began
to allow the Roman or Orthodox to come

491
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:09,800
back, but be Orthodox in terms
of their theology and beliefs, just submit

492
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:17,320
to the pope. But pasta attornis, Vatican one created a new situation proclaiming

493
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:22,920
these ideas. That's dogmas. They
have proved to be a significant obstacle,

494
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:31,079
You think, exactly, so,
how do we find out a way to

495
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:43,280
make it palatable? Well, Ratzinger
says, there is with scripture a phenomena

496
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:49,480
of relecture. I So likewise dogmas
are not to be understood as isolated,

497
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,519
but in a process of dogmatic historical
relecture. This is development of doctrine within

498
00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:00,360
the history of the faith. That
is, this is the insight of like

499
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,679
significance with Vatican One is obvious according
to and then it cites Casper. According

500
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,320
to the Calvary, is such a
re reception revision in other words should put

501
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,760
in does not put into question the
validity of the definitions, but the interpretations.

502
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,360
So we're not gonna get rid of
Vatican One. We're going to reinterpret

503
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:32,239
Vatican One. What a bunch of
scam scammery. Just reinterpret it. I

504
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,800
mean this is essentially what this is
the point of bringing up the units is

505
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,679
like, just do what we did
with the unions. How whatever theology you

506
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:45,599
want, just submit to the Pope. Why would we want to do We

507
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:47,719
don't want to do that. Why
would we want to do that? I

508
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:52,679
mean, does this whole does this
thing look like it actually works? It

509
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,519
looks like a giant mess, and
you want us to join in on this

510
00:50:55,639 --> 00:51:06,320
giant mess. Let's see No.
Sixty one. Okay, the next paragraph

511
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:21,000
is sixty one. The reason I
highlighted this is because now they're proposing a

512
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:27,079
bunch of historical revision based on historical
factors. Oh well, you see,

513
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:30,920
Vatican One had this going on because
of the Franco Prussian War, and there

514
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,800
was this concern about this and that
historical event. And then there's a what's

515
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:44,840
your hermaeutical and principle? You see
a hermineutics of dogma draws attention to the

516
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,719
fact that you must be distinguished between
the formula and the intention, between what

517
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:58,199
is said and what is meant.
The Council of Vatican one wanted to be

518
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:06,000
understood according to the ancient and constant
belief. Oh but that's ignoring the question

519
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:10,199
of whether it just simply contradicts.
And the whole document is essentially admitting that

520
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,480
and saying, so we got to
figure out a new way. New historical

521
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:24,320
investigations allow us to distinguish between the
dogmas as they're stated in what was meant.

522
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:31,280
That's called revision. We can arrive
perhaps at a new assessment of the

523
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:37,239
conciliar definitions. Now that's quoting these
documenical statements, So the ramachealth's going to

524
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,599
say, what doesn't mean to accept
it. The whole point of the document

525
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:51,199
is exploring the ways to make it
work through revision and reinterpretation. This document

526
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:57,079
is an admission of the very critique
that we've made all along. How is

527
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:00,320
this doing anyone any good? When
that we could just reinterpret the documents?

528
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,960
And by the way, if there's
Vatican three, I kid you not.

529
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,400
In the last few weeks we've had
Roman Celtics saying, well, why don't

530
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:12,679
you just wait for Vatican three to
clarify what's unclear and Vatican one and Vatican

531
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:17,840
two, because the clarifications don't clarify, they're subject to the new revisions,

532
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:24,880
you see, So we won't know
Vatican three until we have Vatican four.

533
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:32,320
How stupid this is. This is
preposterous, and the whole thing contradicts lamentabili

534
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,239
and pachindi dominici gragious, which says
that you can't read dogmas as if they're

535
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:44,960
evolving in this way, because it
makes all of them relativized. That means

536
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,519
that Nicea no longer means what Nicia
meant. And by the way, these

537
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:54,199
idiots are consistent with that because they
defend Ustorius. Now remember what a voice

538
00:53:54,199 --> 00:54:01,880
of reasons say, Well, the
grabbilical cope EMPs emersis is done in venable.

539
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:08,599
We know now that before no you
think that, we don't think that

540
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,239
no sour As was a hard thing. It's over you because you want everybody

541
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:24,360
to accept this nonsense to make this
stupid system work. The results of new

542
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:30,679
historical investigations might be the way that
we can make Vatican two work, I

543
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:39,440
mean Vatican one work. Next up, forty five, and so doing the

544
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:44,760
theology of Vatican two developed the teachings
of Vatican one. Well, so you

545
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,360
didn't like what was in Vatican one, bro, just relaxed. There's gonna

546
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:52,679
be a theological development and it'll all
work out when we get the next council.

547
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,559
See, all you people confuse and
want just wait for Vatican three,

548
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:01,480
bro, Just let it dive and
the solutions will come in Vatican three.

549
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,320
Oh and then when we're all confused
and we don't know what Vatican three means,

550
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,960
bro, just wait for Vatican four. Dude, duh. Vatican four

551
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:15,000
will solve everything that we didn't know, which was all the things that we

552
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:19,679
wanted to know in Vatican three.
But when I wait a minute, we

553
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,239
get the Vatican four and we don't
know anything, what do we do?

554
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:29,159
Bro? Duh? Vatican five?
How dumb are you? This is so

555
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,239
ridiculous. I mean, just on
a philosophical level, can none of you

556
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,039
people Roman Catholics out there in your
cult understand this gibberish like that this is

557
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:44,480
not getting you anywhere, Like all
of these documents are admitting the things that

558
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:49,679
we've been saying. Even the very
process of the praxis of trying to make

559
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:54,960
this system work through dialogue and waiting
for the next documentical council, it just

560
00:55:55,079 --> 00:56:00,280
kicks the can down the road,
because then when we have all that and

561
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,199
Vatican three, all these idiots you're
gonna say, we just wait for Vedican

562
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,800
four and do we give Vedican Ford, and then it will be Quel,

563
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:20,880
and then everybody will be cel.
It will be Quell and Cel. Do

564
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:32,960
we you can drive? Do we
give you fifty three? What's the next

565
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:38,360
doozy? The ecumenicity of the decisions
of a council is recognized, their process

566
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:46,000
of reception. Oh so reception is
actually part of Catholic tradition too. Oh

567
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:50,800
you mean the thing that Michael Laughton's
always trying to attack. Oh well,

568
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:55,000
here's your actual documents admitting that reception
is part of your your church's tradition as

569
00:56:55,039 --> 00:57:13,639
well. Uh oh fifty seven.
Fifty seven restates eighty. Between the fourth

570
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:16,119
and seventh centuries, the order of
the taxes. The Pive five patriarchal seas

571
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,119
came to be recognized based on its
sanctioned by the acimunical councils, with the

572
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:25,599
sea of realm occupy in the first
place, exercising and infallible Vatican one jurisdiction.

573
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:31,079
No, a premiacy of honor followed
by concept of Alexandria anok Jerusalem accord

574
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:43,159
to quote canonical tradition now eighty is
an approved Roman Catholic document here citidelity and

575
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:52,400
premacy in the first millennium twenty sixteen. So that's a Roman Catholic document admission,

576
00:57:52,880 --> 00:58:09,360
that's not Loots site the Ortho Brews. No, that's your admission sixty

577
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:28,880
six. The response for Unity saying
recalls Ratzinger. As far as the doctrine

578
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:34,400
of premacy is concerned, Rome must
not require more of the East than was

579
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,880
formulated and lived during the First millennium
exactly, which is not Vatican one.

580
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,280
And how long we've cited this text
all the time. Half the time Roman

581
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:50,119
Catholics think we've made this up,
like Ratzinger didn't actually say that. Right,

582
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,920
Well, if all that's required is
what was practiced in the first millennium,

583
00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:00,280
then Vatican one's not required. That's
the logic of that. You don't

584
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:13,000
see that, How silly are you, guys? Ninety three, As noted

585
00:59:13,039 --> 00:59:19,519
in the Sinality and Primacy in the
First Millennium, Again, the Bishop of

586
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:29,199
Rome did not exercise canonical authority over
the churches of the East exactly Oops sixty

587
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:37,320
eight. While the statements of Ignatius
and Irenaeus relate to the Church of Rome,

588
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,599
the implications of the personal authority of
the bishop Rome were increasingly recognized in

589
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:45,519
the West. In other words,
it evolved, it was not immediate.

590
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:51,079
There in the first, second,
third century now Southeast Cognitum Vatican one,

591
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,840
they teach that it was always there, it didn't evolve. So which is

592
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:00,119
it evolving or always there? We? It was always do will he do?

593
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:02,360
Didn't do we? Okay, well, if he didn't do it,

594
01:00:02,719 --> 01:00:08,000
then the examples that you give aren't
examples of it. He had the poe,

595
01:00:08,239 --> 01:00:19,719
but you don't do we ninety Yeah. Rome must be seen within different

596
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,280
spheres of influence, which made effective
decisions in articulated church tradition. Moreover,

597
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:28,320
the bishop room significant role in the
formation of doctrine such as Leo and Gregory,

598
01:00:28,679 --> 01:00:31,320
was not seen as competing with the
authority of local and regional bishops in

599
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:37,960
the Western Church and synods, but
rather reinforcing it. Well, that's senidality,

600
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:42,599
and that's not Vatican one. Because
Vatican one states very clearly that the

601
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Roman bishop does not have his authority
by virtue of the Synati bishops. He

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does not need to consult them about
dogmatic pronouncements. It's actually condemned if you

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believe that the authority of the Roman
bishop is in any way contingent upon on

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the College of the bishops. That's
condemned. This whole document is framed from

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the vantage point of trying to make
Roman primacy be situated within collegiality. They

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can't both be true. You can't, on the one hand, say that

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he has it's unilateral, but it's
not unilateral. You see. That's the

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point. It's either unilateral or it's
not. So this is admitting that their

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sentidelity even in the West in these
centuries, and not an autocracy. In

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the East, the role of the
bishops of Rome was clearly defined, less

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clearly defined, but grew in importance
during the Great doctrinal Controversies. Yet the

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premiacy was primarily conceived as a precedence. As such, Rome was constantly granted

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presidence to head of sea such as
Antioch and Alexandria, but was not primarily

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viewed in the East as possessing a
special form of authority in all matters.

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Thus the claim that the universal supremacy
and jurisdiction of the Roman bishop being known

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from the earliest days of the church
by all is not true. The apostolic

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canons are brought up Canon thirty four. The bishops of the people of a

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province or region or an ethnos must
recognize the one who is first amongst them,

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the protos, and consider him their
head. They're kephala, and not

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do anything important without his consent.
Each bishop may only do what concerns his

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own diocese and its dependent territories.
This is jurisdiction limitations. And there's nothing

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in this that has anything to do
with exempting the Roman beance. And these

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types of canons are repeated to everyone
the acumenical councils. So this is the

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canonical argument that we always make.
Have we not always made this canonical argument,

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not just from this canon, but
for many canons. Every actumenical council

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has canons that don't make sense about
it. Can one this is this document

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admitting this argument. Let's see one
O one. This is also on Sartica.

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Another admission from Sartica. The procedure
of canonical appeals. The appellate structure

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corresponds more to a final court.
It's worth mentioning that this procedure corresponds more

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to a final court appeal to a
court of cassation. Since the retrial is

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conducted not by Rome but by local
bishops. Canon three of Sardica justifies the

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decision concerning the appeal procedure to the
Sea of Rome on spiritual grounds. Thus,

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the document Court calls a common reception
of the Phocian Council as a starting

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point on ecumenical dialogue. In other
words, yeah, we can begin this

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ecumenical dialogue about the Canons of Sartica
because they weren't a de facto appeal to

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a final court in Rome. That's
why Chi eighty says that appeals were also

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done to other patriarchates, so it's
not the Vatican one pope. Appeals regarding

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disciplinary matters were also made to Constant
and upland other seas. Such appeals were

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always treated in a synotical way,
reaffirming Chiadi referring to Sartica, and it

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01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:13,880
repeats this position from chiad Rare.
All of these appeals were done in a

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synotical way, and not a final
court appeal to the Bishop of Rome.

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The final court of appeal is the
court, not the Bishop of Rome.

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CHI eighty references the criteria for the
reception of a council as acumenical as described

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by the Seventh Ecumenical Council, namely, the symphonia of the heads plural of

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the churches and the cooperation of the
Bishop of Rome and the agreement of the

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other patriarchs. That's snidelity. That
is not the doctrine of Vatican I.

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That is what CHI eighty is admitting. That's symphonia and synodality. That's why

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they're putting together these documents on what
cynodality cynidality. For example, the Church

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of Alexandria and Rome had specific internal
organizational principles different from the other churches.

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This is not necessarily a church dividing
practice. Well, how come Vatican one

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damns anyone that doesn't except Vatican one. Then diversity is not only to be

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accepted, but be welcomed as healthy. Okay, But the trent to from

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01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:57,559
unham sicked them to trent to Vatican
one. There's not much diversity there,

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as Vatican too says concerning the Eastern
churches. Far from bringing an obstacle.

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A diversity of customs and observances adds
to the splendor in this context. With

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reference to the subtitle of Chad,
is it necessary or even desirable that we

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have identical understandings? I mean,
consider the Joint Lutheran Catholic Internal Dialogue International

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Dialogue on the Declaration of the Doctrine
of Justification, which is another contradiction because

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luther is condemned in multiple places in
Denzinger and by Pope Leo for his doctrine

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of justification. Trent explicitly condemns the
Lutheran position on justification, but the Lutheran

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Catholic Dialogue approved by the Pope,
by the way, does not do that.

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In fact that it says it can
be rewarded and re understood. Why

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Because, as this document is proposing, there's a lot of different diversities of

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interpretations and understandings. Isn't that beautiful? Isn't it wonderful the way that we're

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so diverse. This document then moves
on to talk about I'm gonna skip on

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to the final sections deal with the
fact that the purpose of the document is

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in fact ecumenism. It's past.
Let's see son It talks about different types

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of senility at extra at intra fellowship
with the other people who don't accept the

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papacy. How can we figure that? Then it says working and praying together,

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which is a rejection of more tellium
animals, which says that it's apostasy

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01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:55,000
to have liturgical celebrations with other Christians. Doesn't even imagine the papacy going and

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praying and chanting with Buddhists. But
it makes clear that the purpose of this

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document is acumenism, to find a
way to rediscover brotherhood and as we saw,

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reword, revise and reinterpret through new
approaches, particularly the petrin texts and

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the really stumbling block difficulty of Vatican
one. It's very difficult to make clear

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the bishop of the Bishop of Rome
established with his authority by divine law exactly.

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That is difficult, and that's what
Vatican one claims. But hermeneutical clarifications

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can give us a new perspective,
a new interpretation to do what to reread

679
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and rerecept the council. You see
how absurd this is. And when we

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get Vatican three, Vatican three can
reread and recept, and the Vatican four

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01:10:06,279 --> 01:10:17,239
can reread and recept everything else that
came before. What's the purpose of all

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this? A unified, reconciled church
ecumenism, so clear as day. The

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whole purpose of the document is to
allow a revised interpretation and a rewarded interpretation

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of the key stumbling block of Vatican
One, which is what we're always harping

685
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on, because that's clearly the problem, and it's the clearest contradiction. And

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this document is just another admission of
all the points that we've been making,

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and it's another affirmation of what's in
Chiaty and the Alexandria Document, both of

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which are damning. The most damning
is Alexandria. And for those who have

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not read the Alexander Document, I
highly recommend reading it and go and watch

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01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,680
the podcast that we did on it
not too long ago, more than Francis.

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But there's a philosophical natural law,
natural reason, article of undeniability,

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a little pebble beneath all these mattresses
that is undeniable authority has never been worked

693
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:30,680
out in the Roman Catholic Church to
the extent that we insinuate it has.

694
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:34,920
When we thumb our noses at Protestants
and say, now, what an amazing

695
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:42,640
admission from Tim that what's the underlying
issue in all of this, we've never

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gotten a clear dogmatic statement in the
Romancolic Church about authority. If that's true,

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then all of these selling points that
we've heard from the pop apologists over

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the years are not good selling points
because the very thing that's trying to profer

699
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:05,600
to offer to sell their admitting is
not there. Oh well, you see

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01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:12,039
again, Vatican three will define the
notion of authority appropriate to what's missing in

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01:12:12,119 --> 01:12:17,479
Vatican one and Vatican two. The
purpose of Vatican one was, in fact

702
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to define the authority, the jurisdiction, the premissy, the power and the

703
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:34,319
prerogatives of the Bishop of Rome.
But as we can see, there's a

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lot of struggle with this and why
is that? Well, what does Tim

705
01:12:39,399 --> 01:12:45,199
say at the beginning? Suffice it
to say this what Cardinal Couch said in

706
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:55,880
an interview when asked by Vatican News, is it possible to envision for the

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future a shared form of exercise of
the Petrine primacy over all Christians that is

708
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separate from the Church's jurisdiction over the
Latin Church. He responded, Indeed,

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01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:14,920
some ecumenical dialogues suggest a clearer distinction
between the different responsibilities of the Bishop of

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01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:20,000
Rome, in particular what might be
called the Pope's patriarchal ministry within the Western

711
01:13:20,079 --> 01:13:26,560
or Latin Church, and in his
primacial service of unity in the communion of

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all the churches, both Western and
Eastern, parish orphans and retrogrades. I

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:40,479
will read the most important part as
far as I can ascertain it. Thus

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far of the study document to you, I've read part of the most important

715
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,560
part. Will be reading further in
that most important part than I've been yet

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live. So I would initially lay
this thought on you. It's a preliminary

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thought and I'm still working through it. Always tell you, look, I'm

718
01:14:00,279 --> 01:14:05,520
confident about X, I'm not sure
at all about why, or I'm pretty

719
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:15,199
confident about Z. Jay Dyer has
long talked about for at least a year

720
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and a half a plan that has
semi secretly been held harbored close between the

721
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:31,920
Eastern Orthodox leaders and Roman Catholic leaders
for a reunification in twenty twenty five,

722
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and even a document which attests to
this. Today's Vatican Steady Document seems to

723
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lend force to the notion that there
is a planned reunification in view. Maybe

724
01:14:55,199 --> 01:15:03,439
even immediate view, if Die is
right, and that religious doctrinal purity,

725
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:13,520
whether from the RC side or the
EO side, is not the primary impetus

726
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:29,520
for the drafting of the document or
of the conceiving of In the fourth century,

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01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:34,520
Emperor Constantine ended persecutions against Christians and
became a defender of the faith.

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01:15:35,039 --> 01:15:40,479
Barely a decade later, he summoned
all bishops to Nicea in present day Turkey

729
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:45,640
to clarify a controversial issue whether Jesus
was equal to the Father and therefore eternal.

730
01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:50,079
It was the year three twenty five. This was the first ecumenical council

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in history and where the Nicene creed
was established. Twenty twenty five will mark

732
01:15:56,199 --> 01:16:00,159
seventeen hundred years since that event,
and there is already an ecumenical event on

733
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the table that will include Pope Francis
and Patriarch told you, of course,

734
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Folomew, the leader of the Orthodox
Church Bartholemy, proposed to hold it in

735
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Nicea in present day Turkey. The
ruins of the first Ecumenical Senate are there.

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It is a significant event and preparations
have already begun. Initiatives are underway,

737
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:30,000
speeches are being prepared together Patriarch Bartholomew
and Pope Francis have made multiple ecumenical

738
01:16:30,079 --> 01:16:34,640
gestures. In twenty fourteen, when
Pope Francis visited the Holy Land to commemorate

739
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:40,520
the meeting of his predecessors, the
idea of a great event to celebrate Nicia

740
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,640
began to take shape. All right, So there's a lot on this.

741
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,279
Who can go just google it.
There's a whole bunch on this. Now,

742
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:56,119
it doesn't necessarily mean that this will
occur. It just means that they're

743
01:16:56,159 --> 01:17:02,159
floating this and pushing this. Right, So if they do continue to push

744
01:17:02,279 --> 01:17:06,720
this, really this will just cause
a schism in the Orthodox Church to where

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01:17:09,119 --> 01:17:15,720
I don't know, like a percentage
of Libs who follow Bartholomew will run off

746
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:23,399
to Francis. So maybe that'll happen. But they're gonna what they usually do

747
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,079
with this kind of stuff is they
float the ideas and then they look to

748
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:32,800
see how it tracks as to whether
they'll continue to do it anyway. So,

749
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I mean that's the essence of the
document. If you've not read the

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ones that I mentioned today, if
you really want to be studied on the

751
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,640
issue, I highly recommend going and
reading on it. The New document is

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01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:53,720
linked in the show description. It's
called the previously the Roman Bishop. We

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01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,720
go back to the beginning of it. Good grief. There you go,

754
01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:02,800
Bishop of Rome, premacy and senidality
in the ecumenical dialogues and in the responses

755
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:09,079
to the encyclical um scent. I
highly recommend reading the Alexandria document here,

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01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:14,520
highly recommend reading the Chi eighty document
and to really get a clear position of

757
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,800
what the traditional Romancli view was.
I highly recommend reading them. Reading not

758
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:25,039
just Unum sunk Them, but Pachindi, Dominici, gragias, lement of Billy

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01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:30,439
San and Unam sunk them. Those
are all very relevant. We have a

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01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:38,800
super chat from Noah said, does
the toll houses occur prior to death or

761
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:44,199
after death? Toll houses refer to
the soul after death and the return to

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God in terms of leaving the body. Again, you should read the sur

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01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:53,640
from Rose book and it's really good. Eugenia five dollars, thank you so

764
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:57,079
much. Appreciate that snagglebs five dollars, Jay leave them alone, they're already

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01:18:57,159 --> 01:19:03,039
dead. Well, I again appreciate
Tim's honesty here can tell I think these

766
01:19:03,079 --> 01:19:12,640
guys are really really wrestling with what's
admitted in the documents and the status of

767
01:19:14,119 --> 01:19:16,520
by the way, so pastor attorneys
is not the only thing in Vatican Like,

768
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,039
there's more to Vatican One than pastor
returnis that's just a section that's about

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01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:28,159
the pope, right, So there's
also the statements in Southeast Cognitium about the

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role of the papacy as well,
which are maybe not is equal to Vatican

771
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:39,680
One, but they're authoritative interpretations of
the doctrine. So Saudi is Cognitium of

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01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,800
Leo the thirteenth also matters quite a
bit as well, and also read more

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01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,840
talium animos, because it's one of
the clearest contradictions that I can think of,

774
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:53,640
where you have, essentially nineteen twenty
eight the condemnation of inter quote Christian

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01:19:54,279 --> 01:20:01,119
religious services, and how much worse
would it be to have religious uh ceremonious

776
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with Muslims, Hindus, Jews,
Buddhist like Francis did two weeks ago.

777
01:20:15,279 --> 01:20:30,199
Ricky, Yeah, So I wanted
to ask, where where does a Vatican

778
01:20:30,279 --> 01:20:36,239
once say that you can't say Rome
is like as privacy because of both Peter

779
01:20:36,319 --> 01:20:41,199
and Paul, or is it just
like not explicit just saying it's Peter.

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01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:47,600
Uh. It explicitly condemns the position
that if you say that the Roman pontiff

781
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:57,479
derives his power and his authority from
Peter Ample. That's an explicit statement.

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01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:06,800
I think it's somewhere, let me
see. It might be in Denzinger.

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01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:12,279
I haven't looked at this in a
while, but it does condemn the idea

784
01:21:12,399 --> 01:21:16,079
that it's a power that comes that's
shared and you have to say it's only

785
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:21,760
for repeater when you said it might
it might be Insaide's cognitiom. I'm not

786
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:30,439
sure. I haven't looked at it
a long time. Yeah. Another one

787
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:40,199
of the good quotes from the fourth
Laddering Council. It says that, wishing

788
01:21:40,279 --> 01:21:44,840
therefore to remove such a great scandal
from God's Church, we strict the order

789
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:49,399
on the advice of this sacred Council. Uh, that henceforth they do not

790
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:55,159
presume to do such things, but
rather conform themselves like obedient sons to the

791
01:21:55,199 --> 01:22:00,680
Holy Roman Church their mother. So
that's all. Also another contradiction as to

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01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:09,199
what Frances is saying, because he's
now doing like this brotherly thing, when

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01:22:09,279 --> 01:22:13,640
in the past it was the mentality
that they had to, you know,

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01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:23,399
submit like like sons to the supreme
authority of right. So I just wanted

795
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:30,199
to point that out. And another
question that you did touch on about you

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01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:38,600
know that these are just like the
the arguments that are being presented. So

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01:22:39,279 --> 01:22:42,439
the main thing would be that,
I mean, in the new document that

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01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,680
just came out, the main thing
would be that, you know, this

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01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:51,760
simply isn't like the Vatican one church
mindset anymore, Right, That's basically the

800
01:22:51,840 --> 01:23:00,840
whole argument. Yeah, okay,
Now, there's also anathemas that are part

801
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:10,239
of Vatican One, and if you
have the Little Ten Books version, it

802
01:23:10,359 --> 01:23:14,560
has them. So sometimes these things
are hard to find because they're not always

803
01:23:16,039 --> 01:23:23,199
immediately accessible online. But like I
know that the The Ten Books version of

804
01:23:23,279 --> 01:23:27,359
Vatican One has the Vatican one anathemas. I don't see the anathemas on the

805
01:23:27,399 --> 01:23:30,279
Papal Encyclicals website. So let me
let me look for a second here.

806
01:23:31,399 --> 01:23:35,319
Yeah, I got pastor atturnis does
it have the anathemas in it? I

807
01:23:35,359 --> 01:23:41,399
can't remember. They have some of
them, not like outlined, put in

808
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:45,680
the paragraphs, and they don't have
it in English in their website, so

809
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:51,199
you just have to translate it from
the Latin really, Yeah, and so

810
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:57,640
one of the last things that it
says, it says, these definitions of

811
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:02,439
the Roman pontiff are immute in themselves
and not by the consent of the Church.

812
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:06,199
Yeah, yes, exactly. That
was the text that I was saying

813
01:24:06,279 --> 01:24:11,840
that that's the one that condemns the
idea that the pope in any way requires

814
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:16,840
reciprocity from the College of Bishops.
Yeah. And so I was reading Statis

815
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:25,560
cognita and yesterday, and it says
that he has authority over each individual bishop,

816
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:30,319
but not when you know, all
the bishops collectively oppose the pope.

817
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:40,199
And so I was kind of wondering
how that would actually work, and and

818
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:45,239
if it's a contradiction. So that's
also another question. So what do you

819
01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:49,319
think about that? By the way, I think this is the text that

820
01:24:49,359 --> 01:24:55,720
I'm remembering that has it's this book
from Tan Dogmatic Canons and decrees of the

821
01:24:55,760 --> 01:25:00,159
Council of Trent and Vatican one,
plus the decree in the Maculate Conception and

822
01:25:00,199 --> 01:25:05,600
the errors of errors it might be
in even in the Syllabus of errors.

823
01:25:06,359 --> 01:25:10,600
Let me see that one, because
that one, I think mentions Peter and

824
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:15,960
Paul, what was your question again, I'm sorry that Sati's Cognitium says that

825
01:25:16,119 --> 01:25:23,960
the pope has authority over each bishop
individually, but not like if the bishops

826
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:30,399
collectively decide to go against the pope. So I don't know exactly how they

827
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:35,119
square that, since it's the pope
who decides, you know what, you

828
01:25:35,239 --> 01:25:41,880
can actually disagree with. So that's
a good point. I don't know.

829
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:48,680
Yeah, So, so I guess
that was kind of like making a bit

830
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:58,800
of a you know, historical reference
to something like Vigilius maybe, But yeah,

831
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:04,239
that's just something that seems impossible for
it to happen, even though they

832
01:26:04,319 --> 01:26:08,359
say it can. I forgot about
the syllabus of errors. This is a

833
01:26:08,399 --> 01:26:16,439
whole other document with a whole host
of condemned propositions too. Are you linking

834
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:26,439
linking those? I'm looking at them
right now. Okay, all right,

835
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,880
that's fine, appreciate your time.
Yeah, I would like to find that

836
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:39,079
that one text though, where it
says that you cannot say that the premiacy

837
01:26:39,159 --> 01:26:43,560
of Rome is in any way contingent
upon Peter and Paul, which is ironic

838
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,800
because it's the very argument that Irenas
makes. So they try to use that

839
01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:54,560
Arnas text where Arnaus uses Rome as
an example of absolute succession. But Ieronaas

840
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:58,439
says that it's great because of Peter
and Paul. But it's either Sati's cognitium

841
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:04,199
or it's one of the Vatican one
statements. And you specifically cannot say that

842
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:14,800
I think it's a condemned statement in
the anathemas, because actually Vatican one has

843
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,960
anathemas. Let's see it says,
you can download the pdf. Let's see

844
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:28,039
if this works. Do we have
any nerds in the chat that can recall

845
01:27:28,119 --> 01:27:31,279
that tel of her head? Let's
see dogmatic decrease. Let's see. Here

846
01:27:31,359 --> 01:27:44,520
we go decrees the Vatican Council,
pages two eleven to two fifty seven.

847
01:27:49,119 --> 01:28:06,920
That's way too big. Okay,
here's the beginning of Vatican One. Jesus

848
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:14,640
promised to Peter directly by divine institution, that he had full plenary power over

849
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:20,720
the entire church. It is what
is proven by like three classic passages.

850
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:27,800
And then here we go, here's
the canons. If anyone therefore, I'll

851
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,800
say that Peter was not appointed prince
the apostles let him be anathema. Okay,

852
01:28:32,079 --> 01:28:38,319
that's what the new document says.
So does you know what does the

853
01:28:38,399 --> 01:28:44,119
Papal and Cyclicals version does even have
the anathemas. I didn't even see the

854
01:28:44,119 --> 01:29:14,119
anathemas on that one. Let's see
I don't. So this is laid out

855
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:18,399
totally different from this one. Okay, so let's see if we can find

856
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:32,960
it. Whoever succeeds Peter has the
exact same powers as Peter. If anyone

857
01:29:33,039 --> 01:29:39,560
shall say that it is not by
the institution of Christ, by divine right,

858
01:29:40,039 --> 01:29:43,920
that the perpetual successor to Peter have
that universal premiacy, let him be

859
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:47,520
anathema. So you notice that you
don't see these anathemas in a lot of

860
01:29:47,560 --> 01:30:00,800
these translations. If anyone shall say
the Roman Pontiff has the office merely of

861
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:08,359
inspection and not full supreme power of
jurisdiction over every pastor of the church,

862
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:20,439
let him be anathema. Next section
infallibility. Finally, it restates the Council

863
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:26,159
of Florence, the Roman Pontif is
the vicar of Christ. Let's see,

864
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:46,840
Holy Spirit has promised this to Peter. The gift then of never failing faith

865
01:30:47,039 --> 01:30:51,720
was conferred upon Peter and his successors. That's indefectibility. That means that they

866
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:58,000
cannot teach error. That's the point
we always make there. It is directly

867
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:03,800
in the older translation Novatican one.
Here we go. Here's what that guy

868
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:08,079
was just saying. The Roman Pontiff, when he speaks to Ex Cathedra,

869
01:31:09,279 --> 01:31:13,600
is the discharging the office of pastorn
teacher of all Christians by supreme authority.

870
01:31:14,279 --> 01:31:20,199
He possesses that infalliability from Christ.
And therefore the definitions of the Roman Pontiff

871
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:30,119
are irreformable. Excuse me, not
irreformable. On faith and morals are themselves

872
01:31:30,399 --> 01:31:33,760
from the Roman Pontiff infallible and not
by the consent of the Church, and

873
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:42,199
are irreformable. So there's that.
If anyone presumed to contradict this, he

874
01:31:42,319 --> 01:31:49,520
is anathema. That is, you're
out of the church. I know there's

875
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:55,479
a statement that he doesn't derive it
from Peter and Paul, and that you

876
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,640
can't say that it's from Peter M. Paul. So I don't know if

877
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:04,119
I missed it or what. But
Luigi will remember that reference if he's in

878
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:12,279
here. Luigi, are you in
here? If you're in here, you

879
01:32:12,359 --> 01:32:18,600
can remind you where that is.
Let's see. Here's more anathemas. Let's

880
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:38,760
see, because those are canons about
the creation and reason. That's not it.

881
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:23,159
Maybe it's actually a pastor returns.
Let's see, Kah. I don't

882
01:33:23,159 --> 01:33:50,239
want the abridged version. It's just
Latin. They don't make it very easy

883
01:33:50,319 --> 01:33:54,960
to find their documents, you know
what I mean. It's like, why

884
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,920
why wouldn't this be easy to find? If you know this is? Maybe

885
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,640
they were embarrassed to that someone.
They don't want people looking it up.

886
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:27,359
Christian, what's up? I'm mute, dude. You got to unmutement right

887
01:34:27,399 --> 01:34:30,319
there. I can't hear you or
you dropped off, so it's open for

888
01:34:30,399 --> 01:34:38,920
him if anybody else wants to call
ink? Is it cutting out the live

889
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:55,359
stream? Innocent condemned, the innocent, the tenth condemned. The proposition is

890
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,760
that what it is? I know
it's in Danzinger. I don't have Danzinger

891
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:00,560
with me, so I can't look
it up. It's at the other house.

892
01:35:02,119 --> 01:35:05,159
Luigi's in the chat. Do you
know that reference Luigi where it's at?

893
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:10,640
Off the top of my head,
I'm not sure. Yes, I

894
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:19,960
am looking at the chat. Did
it cut out? I can't tell if

895
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:27,920
you guys can see you or not. Maybe I should have looked up Denzinger.

896
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:45,800
That's it. Yeah, it's Denzinger. Okay, Innocent that the tenth

897
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,800
condemned. Saint Peter and Paul are
the two princes of the Church who amount

898
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:54,640
to one or that highest to tenth
in the letter X quote No, No,

899
01:35:54,920 --> 01:36:00,800
Denzinger, nineteen ninety nine. This
isn't a renewal of an error condemned

900
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:02,880
a long time ago by Innocent the
tent that Paul is to be considered the

901
01:36:03,039 --> 01:36:06,640
brother the equal of Peter. There
we go, thank you so, Denzinger,

902
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:13,960
nineteen ninety nine. Denzinger three five
five five. These are considered to

903
01:36:14,039 --> 01:36:19,359
be heretical propositions. It's also restated
though somewhere in the later So it is

904
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:30,680
Holy Office condemnation in Denzinger by Innocent
the tenth. But it's also restated somewhere

905
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,359
else in relationship too, because it
re emerges as a question at the time

906
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:44,199
Aboutican one. Here's somebody writing an
article on it. Okay, okay,

907
01:36:44,279 --> 01:36:47,720
So the statement in Trent that says
it was to Peter alone that Jesus after

908
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:55,720
his resurrection said feed my sheep.
That's stating that it's not Peter and Paul.

909
01:36:58,279 --> 01:37:09,800
And then session four directly to Peter
Session four four directly to Peter Denzinger

910
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:21,840
ten ninety one and Denzinger ten ninety
one again. Anyway, so there's the

911
01:37:23,359 --> 01:37:26,880
thank you to whoever put that out
of the chat. I appreciate that I

912
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,239
don't have Denzinger here. I mean, I guess I could try to look

913
01:37:29,279 --> 01:37:31,760
it up online, but my Dnzinger
is in Tennessee. So I wanta have

914
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:35,680
it with me. Uh trollo mechicano
five dollars. Let god arise, let

915
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:40,520
us mendv scattered, Let those the
agent flee before his face exactly. I

916
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:45,039
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925
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or invade a small village. I'm
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926
01:38:26,119 --> 01:38:30,520
planner, bro, I'm not a
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927
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,039
afraid of or worried about any objections. So you can make whatever objection you

928
01:38:34,079 --> 01:38:36,720
want, for sure, for sure. Yeah. No, I was we

929
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:41,319
were kind of like going back and
forth a little bit, like because I'm

930
01:38:41,359 --> 01:38:45,199
looking at section nine, page eight
of the document and it just seemed like

931
01:38:45,279 --> 01:38:49,479
I'm some of my Roman Catholic bros. Are basically saying like a like,

932
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:53,279
hold on, hold on, can
you tell me the paragraph where that one

933
01:38:53,399 --> 01:38:56,119
is? Yeah? Yeah, for
sure, yeah, section nine, page

934
01:38:56,199 --> 01:39:00,479
eight of the document from the like
Christian Unity Document. I don't know if

935
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:03,720
there's like different page numbers on different
sites. Hold on, hold on,

936
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:12,840
I'm going to it, Okay,
I got you go ahead. Yeah.

937
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:16,000
Yeah. So they're basically saying,
like, what this the purpose of this

938
01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:23,760
document is this synthesis between other Christian
communions. It's like kind of like I

939
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:28,079
was, like I was saying like
if are the example that I used or

940
01:39:28,119 --> 01:39:31,399
the analogy, like if I was
the head of some company or something that

941
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:39,159
wanted to get a summation of all
of like the alphabet people's incoherent like position,

942
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:41,920
and then it's like, oh,
okay, hey, well we want

943
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,399
to dialogue with those You want to
say, those people get them baptized.

944
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:50,159
Let me let's summarize all of their
arguments in an effort to I don't know,

945
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:55,399
somehow reunified down the road. But
that doesn't necessarily mean that me,

946
01:39:55,920 --> 01:40:00,319
as the head of this organization that
summarized or synthesized all of their here in

947
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:04,439
arguments are in agreement with their arguments
or exactly what they're saying, So that

948
01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:10,600
that's what I'm hearing from like the
from like the Catholic side, So that

949
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:13,680
I mean, like, what do
you think specifically about like section nine here

950
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:16,399
and exactly like as far as like
the purpose of this document, yeah,

951
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:19,119
I mean, and to be fair, it does say that this is a

952
01:40:19,279 --> 01:40:26,000
quote harvesting of their fruits of the
recent ecumenical dialogues, but harvesting of their

953
01:40:26,079 --> 01:40:30,359
fruits, the whole purpose of ecumenical
dialogue is reunion. The very end of

954
01:40:30,399 --> 01:40:34,039
the document says that, So the
document saying that the purpose of this document

955
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:40,800
is to find ways to reinterpret Vatican
One, because that's the chief problem.

956
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:44,319
I mean, if it wasn't about
that, then why does the document since

957
01:40:44,359 --> 01:40:46,880
spend so much time on Vatican One, right, Because that's the chief problem.

958
01:40:47,319 --> 01:40:53,359
And then the document ends with talking
about new ways to try to find

959
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:58,079
new types of communion with non Catholics. So, I mean, it's fine

960
01:40:58,119 --> 01:41:01,920
to say that this is a dogma
and we're not saying that this is the

961
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:05,800
official position of the Roman Callot Church. But it doesn't really matter because,

962
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:11,439
like I was pointing out, really
if Francis is affirming this, and it's

963
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:16,760
not just this document, this is
restating what's in Chiad and the Alexandria document.

964
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:20,560
So it's like this is the third
time that we've had a statement.

965
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:26,880
I mean, do you agree that
Chiady and Alexandria are statements of the Roman

966
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:30,159
Calolic Church or not? Yeah?
No, absolutely, absolutely, I have

967
01:41:30,319 --> 01:41:32,720
no I have no disagreement about about
those two documents. I think they can

968
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:39,119
see quite a bit. But it
just it seems like even if like what

969
01:41:39,359 --> 01:41:43,920
this, it seems like in like
I don't know, some Lutheran could have

970
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,079
like basically pull different quotes from what
the Pope is saying and different things,

971
01:41:48,199 --> 01:41:51,920
and and and and then the Vatican
comes and puts all this together. So

972
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:57,119
it doesn't and I can't. I
sound like really a lot like a post

973
01:41:57,199 --> 01:42:00,359
leiner, but like it just it
I can see how you can read this

974
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:04,800
in such a way, whereas it's
like this it to be helpful. The

975
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:10,760
Vatican is going to summarize this in
a way and put it together to be

976
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,920
used in the future. And I
yeah, but the summer it's not just

977
01:42:14,039 --> 01:42:16,800
a summary. It's also a bunch
of admissions. I mean, if it

978
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:20,720
was just it's not just a summary
of the debate bro arguments, right,

979
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:25,880
like I might say, I'm going
to go and collect all the quote minds

980
01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:29,760
of the Protestants against the Orthodox.
Okay, yeah, I mean, I

981
01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:33,039
mean that's not what this document.
It's not that's this document is not only

982
01:42:33,159 --> 01:42:36,439
that. It's partly that, but
it's not only that. It's also saying

983
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:43,399
what are the ways that we can
reword Vatican want? But from the perspective

984
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:46,840
of home though, like because I
can I can see what they're from the

985
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:53,800
perspective of of no one in Roman
Catholic theology can't reword Vatican one. How

986
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:57,920
is that even? In other words, the fact that that's even being discussed

987
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:02,279
isn't even possible. If you're rolling, I don't disagree with you at all,

988
01:43:02,359 --> 01:43:06,880
but like it's still like from from
which perspective are we saying we the

989
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:11,880
only way we can reunify is every
we word Vatican one. It's it may

990
01:43:12,039 --> 01:43:16,279
it's not necessarily the Vatican. Like
did you not did you read the document?

991
01:43:17,399 --> 01:43:20,600
I haven't read every single page.
Okay, so it quotes ratsing or

992
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:27,079
saying we must we mustn't require of
the Orthodox anything more than what was the

993
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:38,079
norm in the first thousand years.
Yep, yeah, I don't Yeah,

994
01:43:38,359 --> 01:43:40,600
yeah, I have no no,
no argument. I mean, look,

995
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,720
there's a lot of different things in
this document. So it does have a

996
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:47,800
lot of citations of the ecumenical dialogues, and I understand that citing those arguments

997
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:53,000
does not mean the Vatican is saying
that that's true. But there's more than

998
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just sighting the arguments. There are
many admissions in the document where they do

999
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say that we can grant this,
we can agree to that. Chad was

1000
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:05,920
right here, Alexander document was right
here. Those are admissions. So regardless

1001
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of the status of this document,
if Francis signs off on this, we

1002
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just read in the decrees the Vatican
I that the Roman bishop cannot approve error

1003
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and he's indefectible, So how could
he approve things like Chiady and Alexandria that

1004
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:30,520
clearly deny Vatican One. I mean, let's take the statement that the document

1005
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said, for example, that it
is possible to read Vatican one in a

1006
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way such that Jesus did not grant
directly to Peter universal jurisdiction by divine right.

1007
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I mean, that was the one
that I put on on Twitter to

1008
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you, and it says it says
this was our working group, the Working

1009
01:44:57,279 --> 01:45:01,319
group Ecumenical Working Group's view in nineteen
ninety one. The Vatican said this is

1010
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a little too far, but then
the CDF said it is possible to read

1011
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it that way. I mean,
is that not a concession to the fact

1012
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:15,239
that it's admitting that that's a contradiction
with Vatican one? Yeah? Yeah,

1013
01:45:15,359 --> 01:45:20,239
I Like I feel like if like
twenty twenty five they come out and start

1014
01:45:20,399 --> 01:45:26,039
like quoting this document until that happens. Okay, but don't you think there's

1015
01:45:26,039 --> 01:45:28,279
a I mean, look, there's
a purpose upon each of these documents.

1016
01:45:28,359 --> 01:45:31,800
Right, so you've got you've got
all of these documents in sequence, and

1017
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:39,720
they're all being cited in this master
document. And I mean you could even

1018
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,439
if you want to take that route, then okay, Look, I'll just

1019
01:45:42,479 --> 01:45:45,640
say that Alexandria and Chiadi are strong. Let's just throw out this document.

1020
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It's basically restating what's in those So
is the Alexandria document not basically emitting our

1021
01:45:51,399 --> 01:45:57,479
point? It seems to be the
case. Yeah, so you can do

1022
01:45:57,560 --> 01:46:00,800
Okay, even if you read this
as just a restatement of those two documents,

1023
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like to me, it's still it
still makes the point. Sure,

1024
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:09,079
sure, Well, I appreciate your
time, man, And yeah, I

1025
01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:12,399
mean, and I appreciate the objection. I like that you you know,

1026
01:46:12,520 --> 01:46:16,439
had had a reasonable non angry objection. But I mean, yeah, I

1027
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:23,960
mean the purpose of these sequential synodal
statements is precisely where they want to go.

1028
01:46:24,119 --> 01:46:26,479
Now, that doesn't mean they're going
to do this in twenty twenty five.

1029
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:30,119
I mean I think that they're going
to test the waters to see if

1030
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:32,119
they think, you know, people
will go along with this, or will

1031
01:46:32,279 --> 01:46:36,600
be like a you know, large
scale reaction against it. But I appreciate

1032
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:40,520
those objections. I think they're you
know, that's a fair, fair objection,

1033
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:58,079
Christian. I mean it's like that
statement that tim right from Cardinal Coke,

1034
01:46:58,199 --> 01:47:01,560
right when Cardinal Coke was explaining what
this document's about. He says,

1035
01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:08,720
yeah, it's a way to find
an ecumenical settlement for Orthodox and non Catholics

1036
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:13,640
to accept the papacy and still remain
Orthodox and non Catholic. I mean,

1037
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:16,760
Cardinal coch says, that's what this
document's about. Well, he doesn't count.

1038
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:18,319
Blah blah blah. Go ahead,
man, you got it. I'm

1039
01:47:18,359 --> 01:47:26,640
mute, Christian, I'm you.
Hey, Jay, it's Christian. I

1040
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:30,239
think I appreciate you. I just
want to send you my love. Also,

1041
01:47:30,399 --> 01:47:33,960
I want to you know, capitalize
on the fact that I you know,

1042
01:47:34,159 --> 01:47:39,760
sometimes after you know, I think
it's some products, some green products.

1043
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:43,000
Uh, you know, I'd get
like a little bit into watching The

1044
01:47:43,079 --> 01:47:47,880
Simpsons, and I just want to
say that the like the Springfield isotopes thing,

1045
01:47:49,239 --> 01:47:54,800
the symbol of the whole city is
like the little the Springfield isotope thing,

1046
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:58,640
right, So it's like a Jewish
symbol of you of you, well,

1047
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,880
the whole Like it's like an did
you know that by giving to our

1048
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:05,720
campaign earlier? We're talking about I'm
not trying to be mean to you,

1049
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:10,439
but what are you talking about?
Man? We're talking about the document from

1050
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:16,119
the papacy. We're not talking about
the symbols and the Simpsons. So let's

1051
01:48:16,159 --> 01:48:20,680
go back to remember, how does
the Cardinal Coke tell us that the purpose

1052
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:26,520
of this document, what's the purpose
of it? Is it possible to envision

1053
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:31,640
for the future a shared form of
exercise of the petrine primacy over all Christendom

1054
01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:36,640
that is separate from the Church's jurisdiction
over the Latin Church. That's the purpose

1055
01:48:36,720 --> 01:48:44,920
responded indeed, so there you go. Cardinal Coke is telling you the purpose

1056
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:47,199
of the document. It's the very
thing that we're saying. No, I

1057
01:48:47,279 --> 01:48:53,239
don't kill it mean that anyway.
I don't see anybody else popping on for

1058
01:48:53,359 --> 01:48:55,159
the topic. You can't. I
don't care about