The Paranormal Project Radio Show. Carry your hosts Scott Allen and Christina Bowen.
Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Paranormal Project Radio Show. I am
your host Scott Allen and Christina is off for the right. We have actually
pre recorded this episode because my son has a band concert and he's ten years
old and I wasn't gonna miss it for anything. So our guest today was
gracious enough to come in a few days ahead of time record the show for
us. Next week will also be a recorded show because we are going to
San Antonio for the Lone Star Para Con, so we will be there and
so a couple of weeks of recorded shows and then we're right back at it
again. So our guest today is Lauren Hellickson. And for those of you
who don't know who Lauren is, you may have seen her beautiful crystal crystal
pods out and about in the in the ghost hunters world, and I'm going
to bring her out here in just a second. We're going to chat about
that and how she got into all of this metaphysical ghost hunting stuff. And
I was really you know, I knew she was going to be on the
show. Christina booked for a while back, and then I was lucky enough
to meet her in Salem, Massachusetts at the Salem Para cons So we had
a nice time to chat about all of these things and I got to see
her beautiful pods in person. So, without further ado, come on out,
Lauren. How are you? Lauren? So I'm I'm so great.
How it's so good to be here, and how are you? I'm doing
great. Thank you so much for rushing back and being on the show with
me today. You know, like all this stuff that happens behind the scenes,
but it's all good, it's all good. We did it. We
did it, We did it. So I have to ask you before we
get into all this stuff because I'm really I'm really excited to talk to you
about your stuff. But you are going to be doing something at Haunted Hillview
Manor in Pennsylvania, right, you have something's going on? Is it a
class? It's in July, and it's it's exciting because it's my first it's
my first like sort of feature event where I get to be like the face
of the event, and I'm very excited about it because I've always Yeah,
I'm super super excited. I started a workshop this year. I build the
crystal pods, and I had recently put a video on YouTube about how you
could build your own proximity sensor. If you know for a very you know,
it's like under fifty dollars, you could build your own. It's really
easy, just to sort of show people that you don't have to have all
of this money in order to buy all sorts of fancy equipment to sort of
explore the unknown. So it's just a little step in the direction of empowering
people. But I turned it into a workshop, so I will travel and
I'll bring They're called prox kits, so it's a kit that I put together
for you that you are able to learn about the internal components, the circuitry
on the inside, and how the proximity works. Because all of the proximity
sensors work in the exact same way, doesn't matter what their name is,
doesn't matter what the prices, if it's a rempod, if it's a crystal
pod, they all work in the same way. And then this way,
you don't have to know how to solder, you don't have to glue anything.
You don't have to know you know the inner workings of circuitry to build
this and you end up with a really cool piece of equipment that you can
use, you know, however you want. And by no means my first
workshop, but definitely my first sort of like feature is going to be at
Hillview Manor in July, and I'm so excited. I love him exciting.
So if they get one of these kids, they don't have to do any
of that. It comes with all the circuity and everything together and then what
they just put it together or so. Yeah, so in the workshop,
the kid that you get is something that I make the kits, I pre
drill all the holes, I bring all the tools that you're going to need
and they What a lot of people don't understand is both the rempod, the
crystal pod, any any trigger alarm, proximity sensor that detects electromagnetic radiation are
all modified from either a trigger alarm or a theoremon musical instrument. Which that's
a super fun fact if if you're not familiar with what a theoremon is.
They were there were very popular between like the twenties and the fifties. You've
heard them a lot in really like old school horror horror movies but it's it's
like that stuff. Yeah, and it was actually modified because how it works
is it works with the humans, with the human with you humans with the
bodies naturally naturally radiating electromagnetic radio because we emit electromagnetic radiation. And it has
two antennas. One antenna is the tone and the other antenna is volume,
and so you you switch around the tone, you do the volume, and
it's this it's very cool to watch. But DOS which is the DOS rempod,
the black with the red top, it's a circle all the different lights
actually just took that instrument and created what we know is the rempod. And
yeah, and it is. You can buy Junior Theorem and kits on Amazon
and you can you know, make your own DOS rempod in that way.
All the components are the exact same. They just manufacture the circuit boards themselves
now. But uh, mine the Crystal pod it's a it's just a modified
trigger alarm. So it's an alarm that you hang over your doorknob, metal
doorknob, and if somebody were to come up to the door from the other
side, it detects their radiation and it sets it off. And I just
I know isn't it so fun? And I just modified it and designed the
art that goes around it and used just more like materials, Like you know,
I practice a lot of I have a lot of spiritual practices, so
I wanted to incorporate that mysticism into it as well. So I have all
of the elements, well at least earth, fire, air, and water
all incorporated into each pod. So it has that sort of mystical occult vibe
from like the roots of paranormal and then it has the more technical circuitry and
electronics on the inside. So that's that's where that all came. So the
prox kits are that alarm that I have pre drilled. I bring you all
the tools, and I was able to create a way that you can build
it without using you know, glue or soldering or anything. And so I
walk you through the steps on how to build it yourself, and then we
like decorate them and things like that too. But in the process you learn
all this, you learn how it works, you learn why it works,
and and you get to build one. And it's the coolest thing. Does
do yours light up? I don't remember if they light up? They do?
They do I've put mine too far away. I'm gonna grab this one.
There it is, okay, here we go, I'm back. I
knew usually I have like a pile next to me, but yeah, they
do, so they the these ones are for the vendor. The vendor show
pods always have like a little like limited edition thing on them. They come
with special pricing. But their power lights are these this bright purple so that
if you're using it, you know, somebody doesn't kick it over because they
can see it because it's this se like bright level lights. But yeah,
the lights on top and when you plug in, it has a removable antenna.
But when you plug in the antenna, then if it triggers, it
makes sound and light. Oh look at that it lights up on top.
How great is that? And I love that? Just beautiful And it opens
up or is that just a decoration. Nope, it opens up because you
have access to it. It's fully rechargeable and then everything's insulated and it comes
with a charging cable on top too. But I'm a big because it's amazing
to me that and this isn't any kind of slight because it's you really have
to know about electrical components and things like that to know how these things are
made. And for me, the lack of transparency in paranormal equipment is really
bothersome to me. We have a lot of people in the paranormal community that
really really want to tackle this industry with, you know, a science forward
mindset, and when you don't know how your equipment works, that is a
massive factor in your data collection. So if you're using something like a rempod
and it's beeping and you're writing it down that it beeped on your data,
well, why did it beep? Oh? Because the electromagnetic radiation. How
does that know that it's electromagnetic radiation? How what is inside of here that
it is able to interact and be triggered. So there's all these questions that
are kind of left unanswered right right because the lack of transparency, and there's
a lot of pieces of equipment out there that it's like, oh, the
green light lit up, why did it light up? Well because something and
it's sort of left to this nobody wants to say, I don't know,
but I don't know is like the biggest superpower that you can have, because
then that opens up so many to let's find out if nobody says, I
don't know, how are we going to learn anything? So that we don't
know, I mean, we don't know that that's going on. So the
most that I can do is like show you this is why, and this
is in. These are the different ways. Because if you know that when
you turn this on the completed circuit, that happens because a nine bolt battery
is plugged into this circuit board and this and this and this mean this and
it is radiating six to seven inches, you know, outside of its parameters,
and it's radiating radio frequency rate waves and because you have electromagnetic radiation,
you can interact with it. However, the moon has electromagnetic radiation. Why
isn't the moon set? So when you're able to learn all of these things
about a piece of equipment, your your data is more thorough and you can
experiment better. Because I'm not going to say this is going to detect ghost
because it detects so much, but it's just another If that were the only
thing it detected, it would be brilliant. But we know there's other things
that I wish man that's yeah, But when we don't know what ghosts are,
but what are they? Their energy. I don't know. I mean,
what are they I don't know. You know, it's all theory,
it's all theory, and there's so much secrecy and because it's it's pseudoscience and
it's theory, and we have to be open to not knowing because we don't
know. Nobody knows, and I don't know that we will really no,
I mean maybe not in our lifetime, you know, you know, just
I know this isn't this isn't a Crystal pod or rempod issue. But you
know, when you go somewhere and you get this incredible EVP where you can
hear them talking, it's almost like you're tapping into another era, right,
You've been on these you've been to these places. I think I had mentioned
it the other day. We're in that common shadow was talking about Madison seminary
and I could hear them talking about, oh, I've got all these mouths
to feed and changing the bed. And they weren't talking to me, you
know, they weren't. They were just having But it was like I was
listening in on something that happens, almost like time travel, something that happened,
And who's to say it's not And who's to say that there isn't this
little like wormhole where you can just hear I don't know, or is it
energy that's on a you know, we call it like a tape, but
but but it's not a tape. And how are we hearing that? How
are we how are we able to get that energy onto a recorder? And
that's why can't we do it consistency? And why can't we do it consistency?
And why does it happen here and over here? Not so much?
You know, I don't know if I told you. Christina and I were
doing a show two or three weeks ago, and after the show was over,
I went on to to clean up the audio a little bit, and
a voice came through and said, Hi, Scott, Oh did you send
that? Did you? I think did I put in the chat? In
the chat or something? I think it was. I was like, I
was a gholst playing in the other room and I heard it. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, you said that. Yeah, And you know what,
No, I think that was a different one. That was that was we
got a lot of EVPs. Well that's okay. You know what, there's
there's an instrument that I'm going to be doing soon that I do want to
talk to you about because I want you to be Oh, you know,
I'm all in and I and I feel like it happens when you least expected.
We weren't investigating. The voice came from her house. It came from
it was on her track. Because we're able to separate the all the tracks
out, so today I'll be able to listen to my track and your track
independence. Oh oh, got it? Okay, you know what I mean.
Don't tell me if anything is in mine. Okay, I'll just post
it on Facebook. Let me just find out and then I can decide if
I want to hear it or not. But it was on Christina's track and
the voice was it was the craziest thing, Hi Scott, And it was
just talked right over her. Huh. Now, how and why and where
do they come from? And why does that happen? Well, you know,
theoretically, so as I just try as I try to answer this the
best way that I can, because I can't help myself. I love I
love that that question specifically, I love, but I also factor that in
when it comes to visual though too, but definitely sound and I'm like trying
to be so calculated. I don't want a word vomit everything, because I
know, like if I'm working on things, I need to be careful about
just what I'm just throwing out in the ether all the time until I'm done
working on it. I'm doing a lot of work and experimentation around static electricity,
but then also to like sound frequency and air pressure, and a big
theory that I have when it comes to the presence of static and paranormal phenomena
is, yes, static is very prevalent when it's quiet out or not quiet
when it's dry out, and that I totally get. And it's more difficult
to generate static if it's high humidity and things like that. But that's that's
not the way that I'm thinking about static. All of those are factors that
I'm taking into consideration. But like how static is produced, the passing of
bodies, the transfer of electrons. You have to discharge it. The electrons
need to be even. Every atom has to have an equal number of electrons
and protons, And sorry, I didn't know the answers, so I just
figured it suffer with it. There's there's like protons, neutrons, electrons,
and when when there are more of one, you create this this electrical discharge.
And for me when it comes to EVPs sometimes visually, for me personally,
I don't. I don't think that quote unquote intelligent hauntings are ghosts.
I don't think that John from the eighteen hundreds is intelligently haunting anything. But
I do think that residual hauntings are very real and the intelligent hauntings that we
experience are something completely different. Okay, and yeah, do you know what?
I now? Do you think you know what? Or do you think
you have a hunch on what? I am very enthralled by the idea of
different dimensions of existence, and I think that sometimes when we experience something that
seems like an intelligent phenomena, it's not old Bob from eighteen hundreds. It
could be a different existence in a different dimension that's peeking through some sort of
veil or portal. Things start to get so funny when I have to listen,
I get it. I get it because Okay, let's just let's let's
look at this differently. And I love that we're having this conversation. This
is good. So you and I today, we're living today, right,
we're living at now, We're living at yesterday, last year, we're living
at one hundred years ago. We're living at one hundred years from now.
All right, But let's just figure one hundred years from now, someone is
on a rampod and they say, who are these not a rampod on a
recorder? Is your recorder? And the one hundred years they're going to be
Yeah, they'll be great. But they're gonna hear you and I talking about
this. Now. Does that mean that they're hearing us today like right now,
they're listening to us at a different time, because that's what it's interesting.
But here's what's interesting though, because it's not on those moments when we
have someone come and say something to us that we call quote unquote intelligent.
Maybe they're not from back then, Maybe they're from do you know what I
mean? Like they us. So if somebody hears this conversation that we're happening
in some way a thousand years from now, yeah, and that could either
be and this is what I think residual residual hauntings could be time slips.
Intelligent hauntings could be different dimension a thousand years from now. If they're hearing
us, it's in the same dimension it's a time slip, but the time
slip means like that they're listening to the past, which is what I think
a residual haunting is. It's almost like these echoes, but it could also
be happening at the exact same time. But we're not communicating together. But
we're not communicating to each other, right, we're just able to observe.
Yeah, And who's to say too that some of that residual like unexplained residual
haunting phenomena couldn't be us seeing a thousand years into the future. But we're
just observing. It's just an observance because time is always happening all at once.
It's not this straight line that we think it is. Our brains just
can't comprehend the fact that it's all just a big, huge jumble of everything
and it's all happening all at once. I and I'm going to say it's
all happening all at once a billion times over until time ends, because it's
always happening, all at once, always happening on what's always happening, all
one's always happening all what's always happening, you know what I mean? So
intelligent hauntings, I think could possibly be communication from a different dimension of people
who have access. So there's an interesting creator on It's so funny. I
have a group of friends that when we say we saw something on TikTok,
we say I read an article. I read an article, and it's this.
It's an interesting way to explain multiple dimensions. So it's like I am
in one dimension and I'm looking at a Yeah, I'm in a fourth dimension.
I'm looking at third dimension. Third dimension is going to look like this
to me, but to those in this dimension, it's going to look like
the world. It's going to look like everything that we have here, because
that's that's what we know. But to me, it's this flat and they
can't comprehend me because I do not fit on this dimension because it is flat.
But to them it's this whole existence. Yes, yes, so now
they might they might not be able to I'm going to need to communicate with
them in a way that they're going to be able to comprehend me. So
why wouldn't I act like if I'm able to communicate, why wouldn't I just
be like, oh, it's John from the eighteen hundreds, Just for experimentation
reasons. Cool, I'm communicating with this other dimension right now, but I
have to make sure that I communicate them in a way that they can understand,
otherwise they're not going to understand. And it's interesting too. I'm not
a religious person in any way, shape or form, but it's even in
religious texts of like these greater beings not being able to communicate with humans because
they're like fucking heads'll explode because the comprehension isn't there. So this isn't a
new idea. So when you have an intelligent haunting, what's to say it's
not just this practice in communication with us by these beings that we wouldn't be
able to comprehend unless they communicated with us in the way that we best understood.
And with that acting like they're Bob from the eighteen hundreds to make content
and think about it, you know, if people if we're communicating with people
in an intelligent way, at let's just use this haunted location, any haunted
location, and we can hear them communicating with us and answering our questions.
If it were truly them in the past, well, then how are they
hearing us? Are they just standing in their dining room, going, I
hear a voice, Okay, yes, do you know what I mean?
Like, we don't know how we have this. We want to humanize so
deeply everything we come in contact with. We do it with animals, We
do it with trees, we do it with stuffed animals, we do it
with spoons. Like I mean, I have had a bowl of peanuts,
and I don't want to leave one peanut by itself. It's going to be
lonely, so I'll just gorge myself with that one last peanuts. You know,
it is in our nature to try to relate to everything, and I
think that's humans by design, Like we're supposed to be compassionate about everything,
even though sometimes we're not. We're supposed to feel for trees and the earth,
even though we have definitely gotten away from that. So of course we're
going to humanize something that isn't quite able to explain itself. We're going to
treat it. Now, don't get me wrong. You should treat a you
should treat a dead plant with respect. So obviously I don't know what ghosts
are. So anytime I walk into a location that's deemed haunted, I'm gonna
be respectful, but I try not to humanize. I try not to think
inanimate objects. I try because I feel that it starts to really muddy up
the research and data collection of it. But I'm also not going to cuss
out a space to try to get, you know, something negative. I'm
not going to say touch me or you know, prove yourself, because that's
just not what I'm in it for. But I also don't think that we're
communicating in the way that is understandable to what we're trying to communicate with.
And I think that's sort of why the paranormal field is developing so slowly,
because we're just treating it like we're just talking to friends. And I don't
want to get too heavy into that because I don't I don't want to discourage
people or think that I'm telling people that they're wrong. They're they're not because
we don't know. They could be people. It could be dead John from
the eighteen hundreds walking around going what is this B're talking about? It's really
me, But I'm just coming from it from a different point of view because
it's so necessary that we have research in different ways, and I need to
come at it from this point, because it's necessary to have a well rounded
and and look at it this way, because I sometimes we'll have this conversation
with people about mediumship, right, well, why do you get what you
get? Or how do you Well, first of all, I don't know.
I mean my experiment by the way you're going to I can't wait.
I can't wait, and we will talk, but I don't know. But
here's what I do think, And this is just what I think. If
you have a dog and you blow a dog whistle, your dog can hear
it, streak can hear it. You can't hear it. Your friends can't
hear it. That doesn't mean that that whistle isn't blowing. It's just at
a frequency that is we cannot comprehend. Now what if? What if these
different realms of existence are all right here? They're not up on a cloud
plane a harp somewhere. They're I mean, they're like right here. And
that's why sometimes you can feel them. Sometimes certain people can tune into that
frequency and get a message. Sometimes equipment can just lucky enough to kind of
you just grasp a piece of that, you know, just a piece of
it. Yes, and but it's all right here. Right now on different
frequencies, and we're just a different channel on the station. That's it.
You know, the the AM dial. There's a there's a song playing,
but if you're on FM, you're not going to hear it. Not just
that, but if you're not in the town where the song is playing,
you're also not going to hear it. You're also not going to hear it.
But might be on the same you might be on the exact same station,
why you're too far away from the tower, or you're playing a different
it's a different station. You know, one oh five point seven in Cleveland,
it's going to be different than one of five point seven in uh Ontario.
Yes, and we have a one oh five point seven here. Yeah,
and it's different. Yeah, and not just that too. One o
five point seven from when I was little it's way different than one oh five
point seven now. Yes, So there's there is that's and and a lot
of that too with the whole like why I think we all have an ability
to sense. I think it one depends greatly on how it's you know,
when it's discovered, how it's nurtured your your life sort of path. The
different things that have happened in your life? You know what I mean,
it's it's not but because and and the the reason why I say that is
like I would never claim to have any kind of abilities, but when if
I'm at a location, I mean I I can, I can, I
can feel like energy or we were at the Collingwood Arts Center and the medium
Christopher Lee Jensen, who who's absolutely I don't know if you're familiar with Christopher
Lee He's I don't. He's let me make sure that I'm saying his last
name is. I like to just insert my own way to say people's name.
Sometimes I'm going to be at the Bell Mansion and Nick Simons from twenty
eight days later, I was on a podcast and I called him Nick Simmons
and I mortified. So Nick Simons for twenty eight days haunted. You got
it, Yeah, twenty eight days haunted. So that was me making up
for it. But I call it sence. I don't. I'm one of
those like read and I make up how words are said. But he Janssen,
I'm still probably saying it wrong. Chrisphiley Jansen, he's he's incredible,
and we were walking around and he's he goes in this room and he's like,
there is there's a there's a woman here and she's not supposed to be
here. And he was just really confused and whatever. And we've kept walking
and we're walking, and we're walking, and we get back to the home
base and I just like quietly asked him. I was like, was she
following us? And he stopped and he was like, she was following us
for a little bit. And I was like, I swear to you the
reason why I was so far behind everybody because I felt like I was waiting
for somebody to catch up with us. And he was like, for a
little bit, she was following us up until like the dome or whatever.
And that was kind of when I had stopped feeling her following us. But
it didn't I didn't feel a woman. I didn't feel anything. I just
had that natural reaction to slow down to make sure who was behind us could
catch up. And there was nobody behind us, and so, and that's
that's not an uncommon feeling. You know, if you walk into a room
and it's tense, you know, maybe a fight just happened. We all
have that. There's like a running joke of everybody's like, well, I'm
an en path. No shit, most of us are, unless you're a
sociopath. Unless you're a sociopath. Like, we all have empathy. That's
why you humanize, that's why. So if you have that that need to
want to humanize a ghost, to want a ghost to like you, to
want it to pick you, you have empathy. And you can feel the
anger, you can feel the sadness in a place, you can feel the
happiness in a place. It doesn't necessarily mean you're a medium, but we
all are able to tap into that. And then for somebody like you,
you just know where the dials located. For some people like Dana, she
was just you know, Dana Striker was just born with it. And she
was like as She's like, I don't I don't really know how I developed
it. Just one day I was like, oh shit, just you know,
dead seeing dead people's normal, you know. And yeah, and even
then, and even then, it's different than that, because the reason I
didn't really open up to this until I was like fifty was because I watched
Ghost and Sick and it wasn't like that. It's not like, oh I
see dead people. I don't see that. Pepy yeah, I've learned to
shut it off in such a way like what it got really bad, and
then then I was able to control it. And I don't get any of
that. Now. I'll go into a haunted place and unless I'm looking for
it, I don't get it unless you're like, yes, well you know
where the dial is. I know where the dial is. Literally literally.
I worked with a woman, she's a shaman, and that's what she did.
She says, you need to learn to shut it off. She says,
put your hand out and there's a dial there. Turn the dial all
the way to the lepipade. Now it's off, yep. And you can
turn it up as high as you want it to go when you need it.
And I don't do a reading and sit there and go like this,
and you know, you just it's all intention. But you know, I
think that intention is there. It just it's just shut off. I don't
go into haunted places. Oh and you're not like overwhelmed by it. Well,
and you there's a lot of different practices that you you do have to
turn it up or turn it down. I mean even with professions. You
if you're a if you're a therapist, sometimes you have to turn off your
therapy button when you're hanging out with your friends, you know what I mean,
so that you're not just like I'm an a therapy you and I love
I love the dial, and that the shaman taught you that I used to
work with a shamanic practitioner was that when I was in when I owned like
a yoga practitioner space and we would have shamanic healing circles. And I'm a
reiki master as well, so I used to help and assist. And one
of the biggest things that she would teach when it came to other practitioners was
just find something that you can because a big thing in reiki or any kind
of energy work is that if you don't know how to shut it off,
you will become so drained because you're like a light bulb all the time.
So she was like, you know, find something that you really connect with
that you can, you know, turn it on and turn it off.
In my and mine wasn't a dial. Mine was ironman hands, you know
how in when he would turn on his hands, he'd go and it would
go and then he would fly himself away. That's what I always did.
So before I would rub him together and I'd go like, that's how I
would start. And it was always really funny. Well and it's so funny,
you say no, but it's you know, it's really interesting because I
remember, oh god, this is going back over twenty years ago. I
remember. I mean, I think you knew, right, I was a
funeral director for a long time. I was a funeral director. And did
I know that. I don't know if or not, now you do.
I owned three funeral homes and I started working in the funeral home when I
was sixteen years old, and I built one from the ground up that was
haunted as hell. There was an old mansion there, you know, years
ago, and that's a whole other show, but there. I remember sitting
in my office one day and I was freezing. It was a cold,
wintery day, and even though we had good windows and everything, it was
just, you know, I can't warm up in the winter. And I'm
sitting like this, and all of a sudden, I'm like, WHOA,
what's this? And I could feel this huge ball of energy and I can
move it and shape it and slide it, and I thought, this is
the coolest thing. And so you know, I can go like this,
boom, it's on, now it's off. You know what I mean.
You can literally just turn it on and turn it off. It's like,
I don't know how you do that. I don't even know it. Can't
prove it, but I'm telling you that's how it feels. You can feel
the energy coming from Oh my gosh. Yes, and absolutely I didn't know
anyone else that could do that. In fact, the woman that worked for
me, I brought her up into my office and I said, listen,
I got this weird thing, go like this, go like you know,
and she's like, you're out of your mind, just like just just gid.
I'm going back to how I get it. No, that was but
that's how it started. I mean, no other things, but that was
the first physical thing that I said, this is really weird. What is
this? And I spent the next twenty years saying maybe I'm psychic or something,
because like weird stuff would happen, you know, I would get stuff
like promonitions and things, but never for a million years that I think I
was a medium. And I really didn't even think I was psychic. I
was waiting for someone to tell me because I'm skeptical, you know which is
which? Funny it is? It is like wait for the validation. But
it's like nobody knows you better than you. Listen, ghosts were talking to
me on the radio, kind of like the show the other night. I
was all the time, and it was always the same one, didn't matter
where I was. And I still said, this isn't real. The shaman
is telling me, listen, no, you're a medium. I'm like,
no, I'm not. I was a medium twenty years ago. Now I'm
a large I am not a medium, you know, no, no,
but I yeah, And people who watch the show, I've heard that joke
at least five times, so none of they're just rolling their eyes right now.
But I know there's no There was no chance that this was real.
There was There was none. And it took me another two years of like
practicing with people, what do you mean you understand what I'm telling you?
Like how will you get how are you getting what's in my head? Like
where is that coming from? Finally, I you know, you start trusting
it. It takes a long time, Oh, because I am skeptical.
Because I'm skeptical mm hmm, yeah, I mean I believe in yourself before
anybody else is going to well, and you know what, I'm skeptical of
others too. It's not that I don't trust others, but it's like,
you know how everybody who's never been on an investigation thinks they're run like ghost
adventures. You know, it's like, oh my god, everything's crazy,
you know what I mean. They go on these things they've never been on.
They go on their first public ghost hut and everything. There's a lot
of people that have gone on lots of ghost hunts that do that. Yeah,
yeah, you know. But I feel like it's that way with mediums
too, you know what I mean when they when they know someone who does
this, they tend to hype. Everybody has it. Yeah, and everybody
does have it a little bit, but I mean they hYP oh no,
no, no, I mean I mean like it's it's it's it's tough sometimes
because yes, everybody, and this isn't to be an elitist or anything.
No. I feel very uncomfortable calling myself a paranormal investigator. But I've come
I've come across so many. You know, everybody's a medium, everybody's a
psychic, everybody's a demonologist. Every I mean, I've met demonologists who are
twenty years old, and I'm like, how do you know what a demonologist
is? How they took that online class? And that's the thing. But
I'm just like, there's now I you know, I've been friends with Dave
Juliano for you know, just the good he sells my my Crystal pods,
and so him and I have had a lot of conversations just about that too.
He's like, you know, he's like, I get uncomfortable calling myself
a demonologist and he's been doing it like for like one hundred years. Sorry,
David, I love you, but like you know, and I'm just
you have these people that are very young. And it's not to say that
you cannot accomplish things when you're young. You have so much time to accomplish
everything being young, and that's so amazing. But when you have somebody who's
nineteen twenty years old and they're like, I'm a demonologist, animal medium,
I'm a psychic, and I'm a seasoned paranormal investigator, and I'm just like,
yes, that's about it. Yeah, I vote for it. I
started a paranormal investigating when I was twelve, you know, and It's like
I've been interested in ghosts since I was little, but I'm not saying that
I've been a paranormal investigator for thirty years. I start my career when I
started working in the industry that I'm saying my career was in and so yeah,
I get what you're saying. It's also interesting too, with you being
a male psychic medium, which I always appreciate because it's another sort of stereotype
too that every woman in the paranormal must be a medium. They're all mediums.
All of them are mediums, and a lot of them are dark.
And I don't mean like just the way they dressed, the way they A
lot of people. Everybody wears black in the paranormal. I'm like, I'm
in cream, and that's okay. You're wearing a turtleneck. That's I'm wearing
because I'm cold, I'm wearing I'm wearing. There's a little black on this,
but this is the only black on my outfit. I'm wearing brains.
Generally speaking, I don't wear, you know, I don't I don't dress
like that. I don't wear you know, I have is black, but
like you mean dark, Like, what do you mean like foreboding dark.
I think no, I don't mean evil. No, I don't mean evils
that I canancy no, no, no no. I think that it's a
sense of that's what people expect. You got to wear the dark clothing.
It's I want to say it's an act, because I'm not saying that their
mediumship is an act, but I feel like the presentation of it is an
act. I think there are some really incredible mediums who are famous, who
are famous who it's all performance hard Oh yeah, no, no, yeah,
you're right. I mean that doesn't mean they're not good, but they
carry it to a different level because they think that's what people expect. And
I mean there is a level of theatrics that does have to come with being
on television. You know. I hate to break it to everybody when they're
all just like Jamie's fake no shit, y'all, Like there it is.
It is mostly acting. You will see on all of their IMDb profiles that
they are actors. I was in Drama Club. You bet your ass.
If anybody's like, do you want to be on this show? But you
know you're gonna have to act it up a little bit. Fuck yeah,
I will let's go, let's go. I don't think I'll lie. I
don't blatantly lie, but I'll act like that thing that wasn't scary. I'll
act like it's scary if you want me to. Sure, it's acting,
but it's like so there's a level of that that goes to it. But
it's this stereotype that does bother me because then being a woman in the paranormal
industry, it's more like, oh, do you do this? Do you
do that? You? Are you a psychic? No? I'm not.
Are you this? No? Are you this? No? Are you a
witch? I mean yeah, I practice. Oh good, she's a witch.
Okay, she's a witch. And it's like, yeah, that's not
so I stopped sort of like putting it out there that I practice. You
know that that's my That's like to be a demonologist, you're required to be
a Catholic. And it's like there's a lot of people that study demonology that
are not like practicing Catholics. They understand that, but there's there's demons in
every belief system and you know, but like the stereotype, yes, so
that is why I will dress very bright, you know, I try not
to talk too much about like witchcraft, even though I mean it's very it's
very prevalent. I mean, I'm probably a witch, but I a lot
of the stuff gets sort of pushed under the rug because it's like, well,
it's not interesting that you're a woman who builds and develops equipment, which
I very fascinating. I think it's fascinating. And I know we've went completely
off topic, and I apologize that. I know I do that a lot.
I'm sorry we did. We just kind of went off but fantastic it
is. I and I love this, but I feel like you know what
I do and what you do and the whole paranormal thing in between. There's
some commonalities and it's common in that we don't understand it. And I'll be
the first one to tell you that I don't understand what I do or why
I do it or how I do it. I just know this somehow how
I can kind of like tune in and figure it out. And it's such
a helpful tool. Yeah, but I don't trust it alone. I don't,
you know what I mean. You know, I like having the equipment
to back it up, you know I do, And I will never you
know, even like in her reading. People will say to me, what
are my guide's names? Like, I don't know. I could tell you,
friend and Jeff, I have no idea because you can't verify that.
I'm not going to tell you something that you know, I may get that
name in my head. That means nothing, nothing unless you can if it's
not evidential, and you can verify that, like I tell you, oh
my god, your grandmother's here and her name is Rose and she was a
nurse and she you know, Oh my god, you're right, that is
my grandmother. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, sure, I'll
give you that, but not not like what's you know, what was I
in a past? Not something that could possibly not even exist. That's a
little harder, That's exactly it. And I just be to just be frank.
You know, hey, guys might not exist. Well, you know
there's something that exists, because you know what I mean, But what is
it? I think our idea of it may them be completely off. Yeah,
oh no, for sure, but it's the idea. Feeling is not
fact. And even though I firmly believe in my deepest souls of souls that
we're not we're not alone, there is there are other powers that be there
are things happening that we are not aware of on a spiritual level, because
it's not something that's provable. It's just on my general belief and the beliefs
of millions of other people, billions of other people. But it's still what
if it's not because we don't actually know. It could be nothing, It
could be all psychosis, even though I don't believe that, do you know
what I mean? But it has to be It has to be recognized that
it could be nothing, even though I don't believe it's nothing. It has
to be recognized that the possibility is there. And that is how you have
to conduct research. It has to be the possibility that you are not psychic,
even though we don't believe that, we believe that you are. It
has to have the possibility and you have to treat it like you could not
be. And then that's where the validation comes in. And then that's where
the other experimentation and all of those things. If you if you studied everything
under the assumption that it could be nothing, you're going to have so much
more data because we're not just depending on our belief in it. That's right,
that's right, and people will do that, Oh it must be this
that you know. They don't they don't prove anything, you know, Mediums
do it. Ghost hunters do it, you know, because we want to
believe it. We want it to be paranormal. If we go out into
the field and we get you know, X, Y or Z, we
want it to be and so we tend to shut that part of it down,
yep, and then we deliver it like it's fact. Well it's fat.
But I'll say this too, and I may get shot for this,
But I feel like most ghost hunters are not No, I hope not please
people, but I feel like most people who go out and ghost hunt and
do paranormal investigating, they're not scientific about it anyway. They're just going to
fine. They just want to be social and that's it. And they get
a voice and they don't take it too seriously. They know they get a
get it and that's perfectly. Oh my god, that and that's amazing and
I love that. And those people are sometimes the most fun to hunt with
because there is no expectation and you could just like hang out and everybody's having
a great time and sometimes whatever, Sometimes you have the most amazing personal experience.
And that's all it has to be. It's just an amazing personal experience
and a story. I used to go home and go through like three hours
of like oh dude, and now nope, I can report if I'm doing
an experiment and that's it. I don't. I barely even investigate. I
just I'm like, here's the experiments that I want to do. Here are
the places that I want to do them. They're going to be about twenty
minutes each. I'll go ahead and I'll videotape it and then that's it.
Everything else, I'm just going to see what I feel. It's going to
be fun fun. I think it's great. Yeah, I think it's great.
So I would love for you because I know we do tend to ramble
on here able to know where they can get your pods, and I have
to tell you, yeah, so right now online. The amethyst version of
the Crystal Pod is available on the ghost Hunter store dot com. I you
have to put THEE in right the ghost the ghost Hunter Store. Yep,
yeap as, I'm just like, right, actually put this in here,
so you hang on one minute. I'm going to put it right at the
bottom. Of the store, the ghost Hunter Store Www. Dottore dot com,
and soon in probably the next two to three weeks, we are releasing
a new version, so you'll be able to get the amethyst and we're doing
a total like tuxedo version where it's all black and all black stones, So
we'll have the amethyst pod and then we'll have the all black you know,
back in black pod on the ghost Hunter Store. On my website, you
can order a custom designed pod, so anything that you want. If you
follow me on any of my social media's, you'll probably see I just released
the pictures for a crystal pod that I built for Becky and Dallentine. She
has like almost eight hundred thousand followers on TikTok and hers is on the top.
It's a spirit board and it has ruby's and garnet and it's beautiful if
I do say so. But so I'm doing custom crystal pods on my website.
Customs start at one hundred and fifty dollars the amethyst pods on the ghost
Hunter Store or one hundred and twenty And when I go to vendor shows.
My first vendor show the twenty eight Days Haunted event at the Bell Mansion in
Fort Wayne, Indiana. That is next weekend, the twentieth, nineteenth,
and twentieth. I will have vendor show pods and my static meters, which
is a brand new piece of equipment. But the vendor show pods I retail
at shows in person only. You cannot order these. You cannot pre order
these ninety dollars a pod. So it's fantastic. Yes, So I do
ninety dollars at my vendor shows. I have to say you can't pre order,
and you can't order because I'll have people that like, I don't know,
really want them, and I'm like, I get it. I do,
but it has to be in person, on the day, at the
moment. Yes, on the day, in the moment, in the person.
And this weekend I have a build workshop, so if you want to
learn how to build them. I teamed up with the Cleveland Haunt Club in
Avon. Like, although this isn't coming out until next Wednesday, so don't
worry about that, it's over, it's over. The workshop was so great.
Oh, this show's coming out after that. Sorry, folks, already
get your hopes al up. But this weekend, the twentieth, I'll be
at the Bell Mansion, and then they can also find my schedule, my
workshop schedule, my appearance schedule. I'm going to be doing some talks.
I'm going to be doing some lectures coming up this season in twenty twenty four,
and I'm still booking. But that's all on my website, Lauren Haunts,
Lauren haunts dot com, Lauren haunts dot com. All right, l
a u r Ian Hantsah, oh, and you've got it. You've got
it right there on your name. Yep. I put it, I put
it. I put it just so people see it. Have you been to
the Bell before? Is this your first? I have, yes. I
love the Bell Well that's what I did an event there with with Dana and
Christina and Kathy last year, and I do like it. It's just such
a beautiful building. It's gorgeous, absolutely beautiful. It's gorgeously gorgeous. Yep.
Yeah, I'm very very excited for that. There is a there is
a ghost hunt for the event. There's a VIP party the night before,
so it's gonna be a really good time. The whole cast of twenty eight
Days Haunted is there, so that's gonna be really really fun, very great
off my vendor show season. So I think that's great. And and you
are Am I going to see you? Am I going to see you in
Heilby Manor with the Psychic Farah? No, you're not there for the Psychic
Fair. I might just come because I want to try to attend events that
I'm not working so that I can just have fun. Not that my vendor.
For that, I've never I'm anxious to do that. I have a
call with Carrie this this week. I'm hopefully planning a nice ghost hunt that
I can I bring a whole bunch of my friends too, so that'll be
you and I chatted about that. So yeah, we chat about that.
That would be a really good time. I've never been. It is,
it's so I love that location. It's huge. It's even on like a
haunted hill, like it's just really so, it's so cool and it's huge,
and it's pretty haunted, pretty haunted. They get a lot of it.
I will say. I have my investigation there on YouTube and we did
get a pretty substantial EVP and some very controversial I've been working with the flashlight
method because I'm building a piece of equipment that improves it. Second Lauren.
Lauren, we're coming to a hard stop on this show and I hate to
do this. These hours go by so bad, but stay on the line
because I want to chat with you. Thanks for joining us this week.
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