1 00:00:10,359 --> 00:00:48,799 The Paranormal Project Radio Show. Carry your hosts Scott Allen and Christina Bowen. 2 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Paranormal Project Radio Show. I am 3 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,840 your host Scott Allen and Christina is off for the right. We have actually 4 00:01:02,399 --> 00:01:08,120 pre recorded this episode because my son has a band concert and he's ten years 5 00:01:08,159 --> 00:01:12,159 old and I wasn't gonna miss it for anything. So our guest today was 6 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,640 gracious enough to come in a few days ahead of time record the show for 7 00:01:15,719 --> 00:01:21,159 us. Next week will also be a recorded show because we are going to 8 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,319 San Antonio for the Lone Star Para Con, so we will be there and 9 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,640 so a couple of weeks of recorded shows and then we're right back at it 10 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:34,719 again. So our guest today is Lauren Hellickson. And for those of you 11 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:40,040 who don't know who Lauren is, you may have seen her beautiful crystal crystal 12 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:45,280 pods out and about in the in the ghost hunters world, and I'm going 13 00:01:45,359 --> 00:01:47,640 to bring her out here in just a second. We're going to chat about 14 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,640 that and how she got into all of this metaphysical ghost hunting stuff. And 15 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,159 I was really you know, I knew she was going to be on the 16 00:01:55,159 --> 00:01:57,519 show. Christina booked for a while back, and then I was lucky enough 17 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:01,719 to meet her in Salem, Massachusetts at the Salem Para cons So we had 18 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,280 a nice time to chat about all of these things and I got to see 19 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,960 her beautiful pods in person. So, without further ado, come on out, 20 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:14,039 Lauren. How are you? Lauren? So I'm I'm so great. 21 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,879 How it's so good to be here, and how are you? I'm doing 22 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,719 great. Thank you so much for rushing back and being on the show with 23 00:02:22,759 --> 00:02:24,319 me today. You know, like all this stuff that happens behind the scenes, 24 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,319 but it's all good, it's all good. We did it. We 25 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,599 did it, We did it. So I have to ask you before we 26 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:35,360 get into all this stuff because I'm really I'm really excited to talk to you 27 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,439 about your stuff. But you are going to be doing something at Haunted Hillview 28 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:44,719 Manor in Pennsylvania, right, you have something's going on? Is it a 29 00:02:44,759 --> 00:02:50,960 class? It's in July, and it's it's exciting because it's my first it's 30 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:57,159 my first like sort of feature event where I get to be like the face 31 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,319 of the event, and I'm very excited about it because I've always Yeah, 32 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:07,080 I'm super super excited. I started a workshop this year. I build the 33 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,639 crystal pods, and I had recently put a video on YouTube about how you 34 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:16,680 could build your own proximity sensor. If you know for a very you know, 35 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,560 it's like under fifty dollars, you could build your own. It's really 36 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,360 easy, just to sort of show people that you don't have to have all 37 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,879 of this money in order to buy all sorts of fancy equipment to sort of 38 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,080 explore the unknown. So it's just a little step in the direction of empowering 39 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,520 people. But I turned it into a workshop, so I will travel and 40 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:44,120 I'll bring They're called prox kits, so it's a kit that I put together 41 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:50,240 for you that you are able to learn about the internal components, the circuitry 42 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,400 on the inside, and how the proximity works. Because all of the proximity 43 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,039 sensors work in the exact same way, doesn't matter what their name is, 44 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:00,960 doesn't matter what the prices, if it's a rempod, if it's a crystal 45 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,719 pod, they all work in the same way. And then this way, 46 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:09,479 you don't have to know how to solder, you don't have to glue anything. 47 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:15,680 You don't have to know you know the inner workings of circuitry to build 48 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,199 this and you end up with a really cool piece of equipment that you can 49 00:04:19,319 --> 00:04:25,879 use, you know, however you want. And by no means my first 50 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:30,600 workshop, but definitely my first sort of like feature is going to be at 51 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,560 Hillview Manor in July, and I'm so excited. I love him exciting. 52 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:36,600 So if they get one of these kids, they don't have to do any 53 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,120 of that. It comes with all the circuity and everything together and then what 54 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:43,839 they just put it together or so. Yeah, so in the workshop, 55 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,920 the kid that you get is something that I make the kits, I pre 56 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,839 drill all the holes, I bring all the tools that you're going to need 57 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:58,959 and they What a lot of people don't understand is both the rempod, the 58 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:10,279 crystal pod, any any trigger alarm, proximity sensor that detects electromagnetic radiation are 59 00:05:10,439 --> 00:05:18,959 all modified from either a trigger alarm or a theoremon musical instrument. Which that's 60 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,680 a super fun fact if if you're not familiar with what a theoremon is. 61 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:27,759 They were there were very popular between like the twenties and the fifties. You've 62 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:33,480 heard them a lot in really like old school horror horror movies but it's it's 63 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:44,120 like that stuff. Yeah, and it was actually modified because how it works 64 00:05:44,199 --> 00:05:49,240 is it works with the humans, with the human with you humans with the 65 00:05:49,279 --> 00:06:02,079 bodies naturally naturally radiating electromagnetic radio because we emit electromagnetic radiation. And it has 66 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:10,360 two antennas. One antenna is the tone and the other antenna is volume, 67 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:14,839 and so you you switch around the tone, you do the volume, and 68 00:06:14,879 --> 00:06:20,920 it's this it's very cool to watch. But DOS which is the DOS rempod, 69 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:25,720 the black with the red top, it's a circle all the different lights 70 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:36,279 actually just took that instrument and created what we know is the rempod. And 71 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:44,319 yeah, and it is. You can buy Junior Theorem and kits on Amazon 72 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:48,759 and you can you know, make your own DOS rempod in that way. 73 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:54,399 All the components are the exact same. They just manufacture the circuit boards themselves 74 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,319 now. But uh, mine the Crystal pod it's a it's just a modified 75 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:03,360 trigger alarm. So it's an alarm that you hang over your doorknob, metal 76 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:06,480 doorknob, and if somebody were to come up to the door from the other 77 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:14,040 side, it detects their radiation and it sets it off. And I just 78 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,000 I know isn't it so fun? And I just modified it and designed the 79 00:07:19,959 --> 00:07:26,800 art that goes around it and used just more like materials, Like you know, 80 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,560 I practice a lot of I have a lot of spiritual practices, so 81 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,879 I wanted to incorporate that mysticism into it as well. So I have all 82 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:43,120 of the elements, well at least earth, fire, air, and water 83 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:48,279 all incorporated into each pod. So it has that sort of mystical occult vibe 84 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:55,800 from like the roots of paranormal and then it has the more technical circuitry and 85 00:07:55,839 --> 00:08:00,519 electronics on the inside. So that's that's where that all came. So the 86 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:05,040 prox kits are that alarm that I have pre drilled. I bring you all 87 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:07,720 the tools, and I was able to create a way that you can build 88 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:11,920 it without using you know, glue or soldering or anything. And so I 89 00:08:13,079 --> 00:08:16,439 walk you through the steps on how to build it yourself, and then we 90 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:18,800 like decorate them and things like that too. But in the process you learn 91 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:22,759 all this, you learn how it works, you learn why it works, 92 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:26,639 and and you get to build one. And it's the coolest thing. Does 93 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,519 do yours light up? I don't remember if they light up? They do? 94 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,480 They do I've put mine too far away. I'm gonna grab this one. 95 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,960 There it is, okay, here we go, I'm back. I 96 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:41,000 knew usually I have like a pile next to me, but yeah, they 97 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,480 do, so they the these ones are for the vendor. The vendor show 98 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:50,000 pods always have like a little like limited edition thing on them. They come 99 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:54,120 with special pricing. But their power lights are these this bright purple so that 100 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,960 if you're using it, you know, somebody doesn't kick it over because they 101 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,960 can see it because it's this se like bright level lights. But yeah, 102 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,000 the lights on top and when you plug in, it has a removable antenna. 103 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:07,759 But when you plug in the antenna, then if it triggers, it 104 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:13,039 makes sound and light. Oh look at that it lights up on top. 105 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,720 How great is that? And I love that? Just beautiful And it opens 106 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:22,480 up or is that just a decoration. Nope, it opens up because you 107 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:28,960 have access to it. It's fully rechargeable and then everything's insulated and it comes 108 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:35,600 with a charging cable on top too. But I'm a big because it's amazing 109 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:41,440 to me that and this isn't any kind of slight because it's you really have 110 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:48,080 to know about electrical components and things like that to know how these things are 111 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:54,840 made. And for me, the lack of transparency in paranormal equipment is really 112 00:09:54,879 --> 00:10:01,120 bothersome to me. We have a lot of people in the paranormal community that 113 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,759 really really want to tackle this industry with, you know, a science forward 114 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,960 mindset, and when you don't know how your equipment works, that is a 115 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:18,159 massive factor in your data collection. So if you're using something like a rempod 116 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:22,080 and it's beeping and you're writing it down that it beeped on your data, 117 00:10:22,519 --> 00:10:26,879 well, why did it beep? Oh? Because the electromagnetic radiation. How 118 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:33,240 does that know that it's electromagnetic radiation? How what is inside of here that 119 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,840 it is able to interact and be triggered. So there's all these questions that 120 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:41,639 are kind of left unanswered right right because the lack of transparency, and there's 121 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,960 a lot of pieces of equipment out there that it's like, oh, the 122 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:50,039 green light lit up, why did it light up? Well because something and 123 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,759 it's sort of left to this nobody wants to say, I don't know, 124 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:58,480 but I don't know is like the biggest superpower that you can have, because 125 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:03,039 then that opens up so many to let's find out if nobody says, I 126 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:09,200 don't know, how are we going to learn anything? So that we don't 127 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:13,440 know, I mean, we don't know that that's going on. So the 128 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,639 most that I can do is like show you this is why, and this 129 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:22,600 is in. These are the different ways. Because if you know that when 130 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:26,720 you turn this on the completed circuit, that happens because a nine bolt battery 131 00:11:26,799 --> 00:11:31,480 is plugged into this circuit board and this and this and this mean this and 132 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:35,679 it is radiating six to seven inches, you know, outside of its parameters, 133 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:43,039 and it's radiating radio frequency rate waves and because you have electromagnetic radiation, 134 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,440 you can interact with it. However, the moon has electromagnetic radiation. Why 135 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:50,720 isn't the moon set? So when you're able to learn all of these things 136 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:56,399 about a piece of equipment, your your data is more thorough and you can 137 00:11:56,519 --> 00:11:58,679 experiment better. Because I'm not going to say this is going to detect ghost 138 00:12:00,039 --> 00:12:05,639 because it detects so much, but it's just another If that were the only 139 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,320 thing it detected, it would be brilliant. But we know there's other things 140 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,679 that I wish man that's yeah, But when we don't know what ghosts are, 141 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,840 but what are they? Their energy. I don't know. I mean, 142 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,639 what are they I don't know. You know, it's all theory, 143 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:24,320 it's all theory, and there's so much secrecy and because it's it's pseudoscience and 144 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,120 it's theory, and we have to be open to not knowing because we don't 145 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:33,879 know. Nobody knows, and I don't know that we will really no, 146 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,679 I mean maybe not in our lifetime, you know, you know, just 147 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,440 I know this isn't this isn't a Crystal pod or rempod issue. But you 148 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,360 know, when you go somewhere and you get this incredible EVP where you can 149 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:50,679 hear them talking, it's almost like you're tapping into another era, right, 150 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:52,759 You've been on these you've been to these places. I think I had mentioned 151 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:56,960 it the other day. We're in that common shadow was talking about Madison seminary 152 00:12:56,759 --> 00:13:01,679 and I could hear them talking about, oh, I've got all these mouths 153 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:07,000 to feed and changing the bed. And they weren't talking to me, you 154 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:09,639 know, they weren't. They were just having But it was like I was 155 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:15,120 listening in on something that happens, almost like time travel, something that happened, 156 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:18,240 And who's to say it's not And who's to say that there isn't this 157 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,960 little like wormhole where you can just hear I don't know, or is it 158 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,000 energy that's on a you know, we call it like a tape, but 159 00:13:26,159 --> 00:13:30,840 but but it's not a tape. And how are we hearing that? How 160 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,639 are we how are we able to get that energy onto a recorder? And 161 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:39,919 that's why can't we do it consistency? And why can't we do it consistency? 162 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:43,120 And why does it happen here and over here? Not so much? 163 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:48,480 You know, I don't know if I told you. Christina and I were 164 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:52,000 doing a show two or three weeks ago, and after the show was over, 165 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:58,679 I went on to to clean up the audio a little bit, and 166 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:03,559 a voice came through and said, Hi, Scott, Oh did you send 167 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,279 that? Did you? I think did I put in the chat? In 168 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,720 the chat or something? I think it was. I was like, I 169 00:14:07,759 --> 00:14:11,120 was a gholst playing in the other room and I heard it. Yeah, 170 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:11,960 yeah, yeah, you said that. Yeah, And you know what, 171 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,960 No, I think that was a different one. That was that was we 172 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,360 got a lot of EVPs. Well that's okay. You know what, there's 173 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:20,120 there's an instrument that I'm going to be doing soon that I do want to 174 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,919 talk to you about because I want you to be Oh, you know, 175 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,919 I'm all in and I and I feel like it happens when you least expected. 176 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,840 We weren't investigating. The voice came from her house. It came from 177 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,039 it was on her track. Because we're able to separate the all the tracks 178 00:14:37,039 --> 00:14:39,600 out, so today I'll be able to listen to my track and your track 179 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,440 independence. Oh oh, got it? Okay, you know what I mean. 180 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:46,879 Don't tell me if anything is in mine. Okay, I'll just post 181 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:52,399 it on Facebook. Let me just find out and then I can decide if 182 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,919 I want to hear it or not. But it was on Christina's track and 183 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,120 the voice was it was the craziest thing, Hi Scott, And it was 184 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:07,879 just talked right over her. Huh. Now, how and why and where 185 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:11,639 do they come from? And why does that happen? Well, you know, 186 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,720 theoretically, so as I just try as I try to answer this the 187 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:20,639 best way that I can, because I can't help myself. I love I 188 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:26,840 love that that question specifically, I love, but I also factor that in 189 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:39,360 when it comes to visual though too, but definitely sound and I'm like trying 190 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,399 to be so calculated. I don't want a word vomit everything, because I 191 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,039 know, like if I'm working on things, I need to be careful about 192 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:48,600 just what I'm just throwing out in the ether all the time until I'm done 193 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:56,279 working on it. I'm doing a lot of work and experimentation around static electricity, 194 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:04,679 but then also to like sound frequency and air pressure, and a big 195 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:11,039 theory that I have when it comes to the presence of static and paranormal phenomena 196 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,840 is, yes, static is very prevalent when it's quiet out or not quiet 197 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:18,320 when it's dry out, and that I totally get. And it's more difficult 198 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,720 to generate static if it's high humidity and things like that. But that's that's 199 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:23,799 not the way that I'm thinking about static. All of those are factors that 200 00:16:23,799 --> 00:16:29,600 I'm taking into consideration. But like how static is produced, the passing of 201 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,759 bodies, the transfer of electrons. You have to discharge it. The electrons 202 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:42,679 need to be even. Every atom has to have an equal number of electrons 203 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:48,399 and protons, And sorry, I didn't know the answers, so I just 204 00:16:48,399 --> 00:16:53,000 figured it suffer with it. There's there's like protons, neutrons, electrons, 205 00:16:53,240 --> 00:17:00,440 and when when there are more of one, you create this this electrical discharge. 206 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:11,519 And for me when it comes to EVPs sometimes visually, for me personally, 207 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:19,880 I don't. I don't think that quote unquote intelligent hauntings are ghosts. 208 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:27,119 I don't think that John from the eighteen hundreds is intelligently haunting anything. But 209 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:33,400 I do think that residual hauntings are very real and the intelligent hauntings that we 210 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:41,319 experience are something completely different. Okay, and yeah, do you know what? 211 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,279 I now? Do you think you know what? Or do you think 212 00:17:42,319 --> 00:17:49,559 you have a hunch on what? I am very enthralled by the idea of 213 00:17:51,799 --> 00:17:57,839 different dimensions of existence, and I think that sometimes when we experience something that 214 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:06,359 seems like an intelligent phenomena, it's not old Bob from eighteen hundreds. It 215 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:15,400 could be a different existence in a different dimension that's peeking through some sort of 216 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:21,200 veil or portal. Things start to get so funny when I have to listen, 217 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:26,319 I get it. I get it because Okay, let's just let's let's 218 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:29,920 look at this differently. And I love that we're having this conversation. This 219 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:34,440 is good. So you and I today, we're living today, right, 220 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:37,960 we're living at now, We're living at yesterday, last year, we're living 221 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,240 at one hundred years ago. We're living at one hundred years from now. 222 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:44,279 All right, But let's just figure one hundred years from now, someone is 223 00:18:44,319 --> 00:18:47,960 on a rampod and they say, who are these not a rampod on a 224 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:52,200 recorder? Is your recorder? And the one hundred years they're going to be 225 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:55,440 Yeah, they'll be great. But they're gonna hear you and I talking about 226 00:18:55,480 --> 00:19:03,440 this. Now. Does that mean that they're hearing us today like right now, 227 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:10,160 they're listening to us at a different time, because that's what it's interesting. 228 00:19:10,839 --> 00:19:15,319 But here's what's interesting though, because it's not on those moments when we 229 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:21,880 have someone come and say something to us that we call quote unquote intelligent. 230 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,839 Maybe they're not from back then, Maybe they're from do you know what I 231 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:33,880 mean? Like they us. So if somebody hears this conversation that we're happening 232 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,519 in some way a thousand years from now, yeah, and that could either 233 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,880 be and this is what I think residual residual hauntings could be time slips. 234 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:48,880 Intelligent hauntings could be different dimension a thousand years from now. If they're hearing 235 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,319 us, it's in the same dimension it's a time slip, but the time 236 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:59,400 slip means like that they're listening to the past, which is what I think 237 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,920 a residual haunting is. It's almost like these echoes, but it could also 238 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,720 be happening at the exact same time. But we're not communicating together. But 239 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:10,599 we're not communicating to each other, right, we're just able to observe. 240 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:17,200 Yeah, And who's to say too that some of that residual like unexplained residual 241 00:20:17,279 --> 00:20:22,799 haunting phenomena couldn't be us seeing a thousand years into the future. But we're 242 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:26,640 just observing. It's just an observance because time is always happening all at once. 243 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,279 It's not this straight line that we think it is. Our brains just 244 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:32,799 can't comprehend the fact that it's all just a big, huge jumble of everything 245 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:36,839 and it's all happening all at once. I and I'm going to say it's 246 00:20:36,839 --> 00:20:41,759 all happening all at once a billion times over until time ends, because it's 247 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:45,880 always happening, all at once, always happening on what's always happening, all 248 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,319 one's always happening all what's always happening, you know what I mean? So 249 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:57,839 intelligent hauntings, I think could possibly be communication from a different dimension of people 250 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:03,799 who have access. So there's an interesting creator on It's so funny. I 251 00:21:03,839 --> 00:21:06,039 have a group of friends that when we say we saw something on TikTok, 252 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:11,400 we say I read an article. I read an article, and it's this. 253 00:21:11,599 --> 00:21:17,440 It's an interesting way to explain multiple dimensions. So it's like I am 254 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,759 in one dimension and I'm looking at a Yeah, I'm in a fourth dimension. 255 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:26,160 I'm looking at third dimension. Third dimension is going to look like this 256 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,480 to me, but to those in this dimension, it's going to look like 257 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:33,039 the world. It's going to look like everything that we have here, because 258 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:37,839 that's that's what we know. But to me, it's this flat and they 259 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:47,599 can't comprehend me because I do not fit on this dimension because it is flat. 260 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:53,559 But to them it's this whole existence. Yes, yes, so now 261 00:21:53,599 --> 00:22:00,160 they might they might not be able to I'm going to need to communicate with 262 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,319 them in a way that they're going to be able to comprehend me. So 263 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,880 why wouldn't I act like if I'm able to communicate, why wouldn't I just 264 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,599 be like, oh, it's John from the eighteen hundreds, Just for experimentation 265 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,440 reasons. Cool, I'm communicating with this other dimension right now, but I 266 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,200 have to make sure that I communicate them in a way that they can understand, 267 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,319 otherwise they're not going to understand. And it's interesting too. I'm not 268 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,319 a religious person in any way, shape or form, but it's even in 269 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:30,200 religious texts of like these greater beings not being able to communicate with humans because 270 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:36,799 they're like fucking heads'll explode because the comprehension isn't there. So this isn't a 271 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:42,680 new idea. So when you have an intelligent haunting, what's to say it's 272 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:48,279 not just this practice in communication with us by these beings that we wouldn't be 273 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:52,599 able to comprehend unless they communicated with us in the way that we best understood. 274 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:59,279 And with that acting like they're Bob from the eighteen hundreds to make content 275 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:04,559 and think about it, you know, if people if we're communicating with people 276 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:10,319 in an intelligent way, at let's just use this haunted location, any haunted 277 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:17,039 location, and we can hear them communicating with us and answering our questions. 278 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:23,839 If it were truly them in the past, well, then how are they 279 00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:27,240 hearing us? Are they just standing in their dining room, going, I 280 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:30,880 hear a voice, Okay, yes, do you know what I mean? 281 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:36,480 Like, we don't know how we have this. We want to humanize so 282 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:40,599 deeply everything we come in contact with. We do it with animals, We 283 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,519 do it with trees, we do it with stuffed animals, we do it 284 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:48,599 with spoons. Like I mean, I have had a bowl of peanuts, 285 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:51,720 and I don't want to leave one peanut by itself. It's going to be 286 00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:56,400 lonely, so I'll just gorge myself with that one last peanuts. You know, 287 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:04,960 it is in our nature to try to relate to everything, and I 288 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:11,599 think that's humans by design, Like we're supposed to be compassionate about everything, 289 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,759 even though sometimes we're not. We're supposed to feel for trees and the earth, 290 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:21,359 even though we have definitely gotten away from that. So of course we're 291 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:26,759 going to humanize something that isn't quite able to explain itself. We're going to 292 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,640 treat it. Now, don't get me wrong. You should treat a you 293 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:37,640 should treat a dead plant with respect. So obviously I don't know what ghosts 294 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,079 are. So anytime I walk into a location that's deemed haunted, I'm gonna 295 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:51,359 be respectful, but I try not to humanize. I try not to think 296 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:59,279 inanimate objects. I try because I feel that it starts to really muddy up 297 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:04,039 the research and data collection of it. But I'm also not going to cuss 298 00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:08,200 out a space to try to get, you know, something negative. I'm 299 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:15,640 not going to say touch me or you know, prove yourself, because that's 300 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,960 just not what I'm in it for. But I also don't think that we're 301 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,519 communicating in the way that is understandable to what we're trying to communicate with. 302 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:32,599 And I think that's sort of why the paranormal field is developing so slowly, 303 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:40,960 because we're just treating it like we're just talking to friends. And I don't 304 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000 want to get too heavy into that because I don't I don't want to discourage 305 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,599 people or think that I'm telling people that they're wrong. They're they're not because 306 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,559 we don't know. They could be people. It could be dead John from 307 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:53,880 the eighteen hundreds walking around going what is this B're talking about? It's really 308 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,240 me, But I'm just coming from it from a different point of view because 309 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:06,480 it's so necessary that we have research in different ways, and I need to 310 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:11,799 come at it from this point, because it's necessary to have a well rounded 311 00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:17,880 and and look at it this way, because I sometimes we'll have this conversation 312 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,440 with people about mediumship, right, well, why do you get what you 313 00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:22,759 get? Or how do you Well, first of all, I don't know. 314 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,720 I mean my experiment by the way you're going to I can't wait. 315 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,920 I can't wait, and we will talk, but I don't know. But 316 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,799 here's what I do think, And this is just what I think. If 317 00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:41,200 you have a dog and you blow a dog whistle, your dog can hear 318 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,920 it, streak can hear it. You can't hear it. Your friends can't 319 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,200 hear it. That doesn't mean that that whistle isn't blowing. It's just at 320 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:56,799 a frequency that is we cannot comprehend. Now what if? What if these 321 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,680 different realms of existence are all right here? They're not up on a cloud 322 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,240 plane a harp somewhere. They're I mean, they're like right here. And 323 00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:11,519 that's why sometimes you can feel them. Sometimes certain people can tune into that 324 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:19,160 frequency and get a message. Sometimes equipment can just lucky enough to kind of 325 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:25,559 you just grasp a piece of that, you know, just a piece of 326 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:30,680 it. Yes, and but it's all right here. Right now on different 327 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,559 frequencies, and we're just a different channel on the station. That's it. 328 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,920 You know, the the AM dial. There's a there's a song playing, 329 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,759 but if you're on FM, you're not going to hear it. Not just 330 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,279 that, but if you're not in the town where the song is playing, 331 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:47,319 you're also not going to hear it. You're also not going to hear it. 332 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:49,559 But might be on the same you might be on the exact same station, 333 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,640 why you're too far away from the tower, or you're playing a different 334 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,920 it's a different station. You know, one oh five point seven in Cleveland, 335 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:03,440 it's going to be different than one of five point seven in uh Ontario. 336 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:07,680 Yes, and we have a one oh five point seven here. Yeah, 337 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,279 and it's different. Yeah, and not just that too. One o 338 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,880 five point seven from when I was little it's way different than one oh five 339 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,599 point seven now. Yes, So there's there is that's and and a lot 340 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:25,240 of that too with the whole like why I think we all have an ability 341 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,759 to sense. I think it one depends greatly on how it's you know, 342 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:41,319 when it's discovered, how it's nurtured your your life sort of path. The 343 00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:42,359 different things that have happened in your life? You know what I mean, 344 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,960 it's it's not but because and and the the reason why I say that is 345 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:55,359 like I would never claim to have any kind of abilities, but when if 346 00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:59,039 I'm at a location, I mean I I can, I can, I 347 00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:07,599 can feel like energy or we were at the Collingwood Arts Center and the medium 348 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,200 Christopher Lee Jensen, who who's absolutely I don't know if you're familiar with Christopher 349 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:15,920 Lee He's I don't. He's let me make sure that I'm saying his last 350 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,319 name is. I like to just insert my own way to say people's name. 351 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:27,000 Sometimes I'm going to be at the Bell Mansion and Nick Simons from twenty 352 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:30,920 eight days later, I was on a podcast and I called him Nick Simmons 353 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,839 and I mortified. So Nick Simons for twenty eight days haunted. You got 354 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,359 it, Yeah, twenty eight days haunted. So that was me making up 355 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,119 for it. But I call it sence. I don't. I'm one of 356 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:48,200 those like read and I make up how words are said. But he Janssen, 357 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,240 I'm still probably saying it wrong. Chrisphiley Jansen, he's he's incredible, 358 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,119 and we were walking around and he's he goes in this room and he's like, 359 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,799 there is there's a there's a woman here and she's not supposed to be 360 00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:00,680 here. And he was just really confused and whatever. And we've kept walking 361 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,240 and we're walking, and we're walking, and we get back to the home 362 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,799 base and I just like quietly asked him. I was like, was she 363 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,240 following us? And he stopped and he was like, she was following us 364 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:12,559 for a little bit. And I was like, I swear to you the 365 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,720 reason why I was so far behind everybody because I felt like I was waiting 366 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,039 for somebody to catch up with us. And he was like, for a 367 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,480 little bit, she was following us up until like the dome or whatever. 368 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:26,079 And that was kind of when I had stopped feeling her following us. But 369 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,960 it didn't I didn't feel a woman. I didn't feel anything. I just 370 00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:36,240 had that natural reaction to slow down to make sure who was behind us could 371 00:30:36,279 --> 00:30:41,039 catch up. And there was nobody behind us, and so, and that's 372 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:45,240 that's not an uncommon feeling. You know, if you walk into a room 373 00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:49,720 and it's tense, you know, maybe a fight just happened. We all 374 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,039 have that. There's like a running joke of everybody's like, well, I'm 375 00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:56,559 an en path. No shit, most of us are, unless you're a 376 00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:04,319 sociopath. Unless you're a sociopath. Like, we all have empathy. That's 377 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:11,000 why you humanize, that's why. So if you have that that need to 378 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,880 want to humanize a ghost, to want a ghost to like you, to 379 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,559 want it to pick you, you have empathy. And you can feel the 380 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,319 anger, you can feel the sadness in a place, you can feel the 381 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:26,119 happiness in a place. It doesn't necessarily mean you're a medium, but we 382 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,160 all are able to tap into that. And then for somebody like you, 383 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,480 you just know where the dials located. For some people like Dana, she 384 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,519 was just you know, Dana Striker was just born with it. And she 385 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:41,680 was like as She's like, I don't I don't really know how I developed 386 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,119 it. Just one day I was like, oh shit, just you know, 387 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,079 dead seeing dead people's normal, you know. And yeah, and even 388 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,240 then, and even then, it's different than that, because the reason I 389 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:57,680 didn't really open up to this until I was like fifty was because I watched 390 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:02,160 Ghost and Sick and it wasn't like that. It's not like, oh I 391 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,279 see dead people. I don't see that. Pepy yeah, I've learned to 392 00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:10,160 shut it off in such a way like what it got really bad, and 393 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,759 then then I was able to control it. And I don't get any of 394 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:16,400 that. Now. I'll go into a haunted place and unless I'm looking for 395 00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:20,359 it, I don't get it unless you're like, yes, well you know 396 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,720 where the dial is. I know where the dial is. Literally literally. 397 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,680 I worked with a woman, she's a shaman, and that's what she did. 398 00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:30,119 She says, you need to learn to shut it off. She says, 399 00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:34,079 put your hand out and there's a dial there. Turn the dial all 400 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,759 the way to the lepipade. Now it's off, yep. And you can 401 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,000 turn it up as high as you want it to go when you need it. 402 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,440 And I don't do a reading and sit there and go like this, 403 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,759 and you know, you just it's all intention. But you know, I 404 00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:49,319 think that intention is there. It just it's just shut off. I don't 405 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,319 go into haunted places. Oh and you're not like overwhelmed by it. Well, 406 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:59,559 and you there's a lot of different practices that you you do have to 407 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,200 turn it up or turn it down. I mean even with professions. You 408 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,359 if you're a if you're a therapist, sometimes you have to turn off your 409 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,720 therapy button when you're hanging out with your friends, you know what I mean, 410 00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:13,559 so that you're not just like I'm an a therapy you and I love 411 00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:17,079 I love the dial, and that the shaman taught you that I used to 412 00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:23,160 work with a shamanic practitioner was that when I was in when I owned like 413 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:29,519 a yoga practitioner space and we would have shamanic healing circles. And I'm a 414 00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:32,920 reiki master as well, so I used to help and assist. And one 415 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,319 of the biggest things that she would teach when it came to other practitioners was 416 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:45,400 just find something that you can because a big thing in reiki or any kind 417 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,920 of energy work is that if you don't know how to shut it off, 418 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,960 you will become so drained because you're like a light bulb all the time. 419 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:57,039 So she was like, you know, find something that you really connect with 420 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,319 that you can, you know, turn it on and turn it off. 421 00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:02,839 In my and mine wasn't a dial. Mine was ironman hands, you know 422 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,880 how in when he would turn on his hands, he'd go and it would 423 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,480 go and then he would fly himself away. That's what I always did. 424 00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:15,280 So before I would rub him together and I'd go like, that's how I 425 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,519 would start. And it was always really funny. Well and it's so funny, 426 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:22,199 you say no, but it's you know, it's really interesting because I 427 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,360 remember, oh god, this is going back over twenty years ago. I 428 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,360 remember. I mean, I think you knew, right, I was a 429 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,559 funeral director for a long time. I was a funeral director. And did 430 00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:34,280 I know that. I don't know if or not, now you do. 431 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:37,639 I owned three funeral homes and I started working in the funeral home when I 432 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:43,559 was sixteen years old, and I built one from the ground up that was 433 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:46,079 haunted as hell. There was an old mansion there, you know, years 434 00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:50,320 ago, and that's a whole other show, but there. I remember sitting 435 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,760 in my office one day and I was freezing. It was a cold, 436 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,400 wintery day, and even though we had good windows and everything, it was 437 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,719 just, you know, I can't warm up in the winter. And I'm 438 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,360 sitting like this, and all of a sudden, I'm like, WHOA, 439 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:09,679 what's this? And I could feel this huge ball of energy and I can 440 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,920 move it and shape it and slide it, and I thought, this is 441 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,360 the coolest thing. And so you know, I can go like this, 442 00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:20,760 boom, it's on, now it's off. You know what I mean. 443 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,360 You can literally just turn it on and turn it off. It's like, 444 00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:24,480 I don't know how you do that. I don't even know it. Can't 445 00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:28,480 prove it, but I'm telling you that's how it feels. You can feel 446 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,159 the energy coming from Oh my gosh. Yes, and absolutely I didn't know 447 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,519 anyone else that could do that. In fact, the woman that worked for 448 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,119 me, I brought her up into my office and I said, listen, 449 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,639 I got this weird thing, go like this, go like you know, 450 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,000 and she's like, you're out of your mind, just like just just gid. 451 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,599 I'm going back to how I get it. No, that was but 452 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,599 that's how it started. I mean, no other things, but that was 453 00:35:52,639 --> 00:35:58,039 the first physical thing that I said, this is really weird. What is 454 00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:02,280 this? And I spent the next twenty years saying maybe I'm psychic or something, 455 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,360 because like weird stuff would happen, you know, I would get stuff 456 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,079 like promonitions and things, but never for a million years that I think I 457 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:12,840 was a medium. And I really didn't even think I was psychic. I 458 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,039 was waiting for someone to tell me because I'm skeptical, you know which is 459 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:21,800 which? Funny it is? It is like wait for the validation. But 460 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,159 it's like nobody knows you better than you. Listen, ghosts were talking to 461 00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:29,039 me on the radio, kind of like the show the other night. I 462 00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:31,440 was all the time, and it was always the same one, didn't matter 463 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:37,239 where I was. And I still said, this isn't real. The shaman 464 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,639 is telling me, listen, no, you're a medium. I'm like, 465 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,280 no, I'm not. I was a medium twenty years ago. Now I'm 466 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,880 a large I am not a medium, you know, no, no, 467 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,159 but I yeah, And people who watch the show, I've heard that joke 468 00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:52,760 at least five times, so none of they're just rolling their eyes right now. 469 00:36:53,159 --> 00:37:01,239 But I know there's no There was no chance that this was real. 470 00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:07,000 There was There was none. And it took me another two years of like 471 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,440 practicing with people, what do you mean you understand what I'm telling you? 472 00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,840 Like how will you get how are you getting what's in my head? Like 473 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,559 where is that coming from? Finally, I you know, you start trusting 474 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:21,199 it. It takes a long time, Oh, because I am skeptical. 475 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,920 Because I'm skeptical mm hmm, yeah, I mean I believe in yourself before 476 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,639 anybody else is going to well, and you know what, I'm skeptical of 477 00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:32,440 others too. It's not that I don't trust others, but it's like, 478 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:39,559 you know how everybody who's never been on an investigation thinks they're run like ghost 479 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:43,639 adventures. You know, it's like, oh my god, everything's crazy, 480 00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:45,440 you know what I mean. They go on these things they've never been on. 481 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:47,880 They go on their first public ghost hut and everything. There's a lot 482 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,239 of people that have gone on lots of ghost hunts that do that. Yeah, 483 00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,280 yeah, you know. But I feel like it's that way with mediums 484 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,920 too, you know what I mean when they when they know someone who does 485 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:05,440 this, they tend to hype. Everybody has it. Yeah, and everybody 486 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,360 does have it a little bit, but I mean they hYP oh no, 487 00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:12,400 no, no, I mean I mean like it's it's it's it's tough sometimes 488 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,280 because yes, everybody, and this isn't to be an elitist or anything. 489 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:22,559 No. I feel very uncomfortable calling myself a paranormal investigator. But I've come 490 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:28,480 I've come across so many. You know, everybody's a medium, everybody's a 491 00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:34,239 psychic, everybody's a demonologist. Every I mean, I've met demonologists who are 492 00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:40,119 twenty years old, and I'm like, how do you know what a demonologist 493 00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:44,920 is? How they took that online class? And that's the thing. But 494 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:50,599 I'm just like, there's now I you know, I've been friends with Dave 495 00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:54,880 Juliano for you know, just the good he sells my my Crystal pods, 496 00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:59,159 and so him and I have had a lot of conversations just about that too. 497 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,519 He's like, you know, he's like, I get uncomfortable calling myself 498 00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:07,480 a demonologist and he's been doing it like for like one hundred years. Sorry, 499 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,679 David, I love you, but like you know, and I'm just 500 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,800 you have these people that are very young. And it's not to say that 501 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,519 you cannot accomplish things when you're young. You have so much time to accomplish 502 00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:23,280 everything being young, and that's so amazing. But when you have somebody who's 503 00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:27,800 nineteen twenty years old and they're like, I'm a demonologist, animal medium, 504 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,239 I'm a psychic, and I'm a seasoned paranormal investigator, and I'm just like, 505 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,079 yes, that's about it. Yeah, I vote for it. I 506 00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,559 started a paranormal investigating when I was twelve, you know, and It's like 507 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:47,000 I've been interested in ghosts since I was little, but I'm not saying that 508 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:55,599 I've been a paranormal investigator for thirty years. I start my career when I 509 00:39:55,639 --> 00:40:06,800 started working in the industry that I'm saying my career was in and so yeah, 510 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,719 I get what you're saying. It's also interesting too, with you being 511 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:15,519 a male psychic medium, which I always appreciate because it's another sort of stereotype 512 00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:22,400 too that every woman in the paranormal must be a medium. They're all mediums. 513 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,679 All of them are mediums, and a lot of them are dark. 514 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,719 And I don't mean like just the way they dressed, the way they A 515 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,920 lot of people. Everybody wears black in the paranormal. I'm like, I'm 516 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,679 in cream, and that's okay. You're wearing a turtleneck. That's I'm wearing 517 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,679 because I'm cold, I'm wearing I'm wearing. There's a little black on this, 518 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,440 but this is the only black on my outfit. I'm wearing brains. 519 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:45,840 Generally speaking, I don't wear, you know, I don't I don't dress 520 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,920 like that. I don't wear you know, I have is black, but 521 00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,320 like you mean dark, Like, what do you mean like foreboding dark. 522 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:59,519 I think no, I don't mean evil. No, I don't mean evils 523 00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:04,000 that I canancy no, no, no no. I think that it's a 524 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:09,119 sense of that's what people expect. You got to wear the dark clothing. 525 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,000 It's I want to say it's an act, because I'm not saying that their 526 00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:17,559 mediumship is an act, but I feel like the presentation of it is an 527 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:23,519 act. I think there are some really incredible mediums who are famous, who 528 00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:28,800 are famous who it's all performance hard Oh yeah, no, no, yeah, 529 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,400 you're right. I mean that doesn't mean they're not good, but they 530 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,199 carry it to a different level because they think that's what people expect. And 531 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,519 I mean there is a level of theatrics that does have to come with being 532 00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:43,400 on television. You know. I hate to break it to everybody when they're 533 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,000 all just like Jamie's fake no shit, y'all, Like there it is. 534 00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:52,119 It is mostly acting. You will see on all of their IMDb profiles that 535 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:54,599 they are actors. I was in Drama Club. You bet your ass. 536 00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:57,360 If anybody's like, do you want to be on this show? But you 537 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,239 know you're gonna have to act it up a little bit. Fuck yeah, 538 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,480 I will let's go, let's go. I don't think I'll lie. I 539 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:05,800 don't blatantly lie, but I'll act like that thing that wasn't scary. I'll 540 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,960 act like it's scary if you want me to. Sure, it's acting, 541 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,280 but it's like so there's a level of that that goes to it. But 542 00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,800 it's this stereotype that does bother me because then being a woman in the paranormal 543 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,760 industry, it's more like, oh, do you do this? Do you 544 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,159 do that? You? Are you a psychic? No? I'm not. 545 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,559 Are you this? No? Are you this? No? Are you a 546 00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:30,719 witch? I mean yeah, I practice. Oh good, she's a witch. 547 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:36,199 Okay, she's a witch. And it's like, yeah, that's not 548 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,880 so I stopped sort of like putting it out there that I practice. You 549 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:45,559 know that that's my That's like to be a demonologist, you're required to be 550 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:50,679 a Catholic. And it's like there's a lot of people that study demonology that 551 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,280 are not like practicing Catholics. They understand that, but there's there's demons in 552 00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:01,880 every belief system and you know, but like the stereotype, yes, so 553 00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:08,960 that is why I will dress very bright, you know, I try not 554 00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:14,360 to talk too much about like witchcraft, even though I mean it's very it's 555 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,320 very prevalent. I mean, I'm probably a witch, but I a lot 556 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,880 of the stuff gets sort of pushed under the rug because it's like, well, 557 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:30,480 it's not interesting that you're a woman who builds and develops equipment, which 558 00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:36,199 I very fascinating. I think it's fascinating. And I know we've went completely 559 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,639 off topic, and I apologize that. I know I do that a lot. 560 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:42,960 I'm sorry we did. We just kind of went off but fantastic it 561 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,519 is. I and I love this, but I feel like you know what 562 00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:50,000 I do and what you do and the whole paranormal thing in between. There's 563 00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:53,519 some commonalities and it's common in that we don't understand it. And I'll be 564 00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:57,280 the first one to tell you that I don't understand what I do or why 565 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,119 I do it or how I do it. I just know this somehow how 566 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:05,039 I can kind of like tune in and figure it out. And it's such 567 00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:09,039 a helpful tool. Yeah, but I don't trust it alone. I don't, 568 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,599 you know what I mean. You know, I like having the equipment 569 00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,119 to back it up, you know I do, And I will never you 570 00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:19,480 know, even like in her reading. People will say to me, what 571 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,800 are my guide's names? Like, I don't know. I could tell you, 572 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,280 friend and Jeff, I have no idea because you can't verify that. 573 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,280 I'm not going to tell you something that you know, I may get that 574 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:36,800 name in my head. That means nothing, nothing unless you can if it's 575 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,039 not evidential, and you can verify that, like I tell you, oh 576 00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:43,639 my god, your grandmother's here and her name is Rose and she was a 577 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,280 nurse and she you know, Oh my god, you're right, that is 578 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,159 my grandmother. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, sure, I'll 579 00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,199 give you that, but not not like what's you know, what was I 580 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,679 in a past? Not something that could possibly not even exist. That's a 581 00:44:55,679 --> 00:45:00,480 little harder, That's exactly it. And I just be to just be frank. 582 00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:06,719 You know, hey, guys might not exist. Well, you know 583 00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:12,519 there's something that exists, because you know what I mean, But what is 584 00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:16,119 it? I think our idea of it may them be completely off. Yeah, 585 00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:21,880 oh no, for sure, but it's the idea. Feeling is not 586 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,599 fact. And even though I firmly believe in my deepest souls of souls that 587 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,400 we're not we're not alone, there is there are other powers that be there 588 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:37,239 are things happening that we are not aware of on a spiritual level, because 589 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:42,519 it's not something that's provable. It's just on my general belief and the beliefs 590 00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:46,960 of millions of other people, billions of other people. But it's still what 591 00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:52,639 if it's not because we don't actually know. It could be nothing, It 592 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:57,079 could be all psychosis, even though I don't believe that, do you know 593 00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,920 what I mean? But it has to be It has to be recognized that 594 00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:06,559 it could be nothing, even though I don't believe it's nothing. It has 595 00:46:06,639 --> 00:46:10,079 to be recognized that the possibility is there. And that is how you have 596 00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:15,159 to conduct research. It has to be the possibility that you are not psychic, 597 00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:21,920 even though we don't believe that, we believe that you are. It 598 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,400 has to have the possibility and you have to treat it like you could not 599 00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:28,679 be. And then that's where the validation comes in. And then that's where 600 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:34,719 the other experimentation and all of those things. If you if you studied everything 601 00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,320 under the assumption that it could be nothing, you're going to have so much 602 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:45,679 more data because we're not just depending on our belief in it. That's right, 603 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:51,000 that's right, and people will do that, Oh it must be this 604 00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:54,400 that you know. They don't they don't prove anything, you know, Mediums 605 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,480 do it. Ghost hunters do it, you know, because we want to 606 00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,559 believe it. We want it to be paranormal. If we go out into 607 00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:05,239 the field and we get you know, X, Y or Z, we 608 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,960 want it to be and so we tend to shut that part of it down, 609 00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:10,800 yep, and then we deliver it like it's fact. Well it's fat. 610 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,719 But I'll say this too, and I may get shot for this, 611 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,360 But I feel like most ghost hunters are not No, I hope not please 612 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,400 people, but I feel like most people who go out and ghost hunt and 613 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,119 do paranormal investigating, they're not scientific about it anyway. They're just going to 614 00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,480 fine. They just want to be social and that's it. And they get 615 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,800 a voice and they don't take it too seriously. They know they get a 616 00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:37,679 get it and that's perfectly. Oh my god, that and that's amazing and 617 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,119 I love that. And those people are sometimes the most fun to hunt with 618 00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:44,679 because there is no expectation and you could just like hang out and everybody's having 619 00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:49,159 a great time and sometimes whatever, Sometimes you have the most amazing personal experience. 620 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,239 And that's all it has to be. It's just an amazing personal experience 621 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,599 and a story. I used to go home and go through like three hours 622 00:47:55,639 --> 00:48:02,239 of like oh dude, and now nope, I can report if I'm doing 623 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,880 an experiment and that's it. I don't. I barely even investigate. I 624 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,679 just I'm like, here's the experiments that I want to do. Here are 625 00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:10,800 the places that I want to do them. They're going to be about twenty 626 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,360 minutes each. I'll go ahead and I'll videotape it and then that's it. 627 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,559 Everything else, I'm just going to see what I feel. It's going to 628 00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:20,920 be fun fun. I think it's great. Yeah, I think it's great. 629 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,960 So I would love for you because I know we do tend to ramble 630 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:31,199 on here able to know where they can get your pods, and I have 631 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:39,719 to tell you, yeah, so right now online. The amethyst version of 632 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:45,800 the Crystal Pod is available on the ghost Hunter store dot com. I you 633 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,960 have to put THEE in right the ghost the ghost Hunter Store. Yep, 634 00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:53,639 yeap as, I'm just like, right, actually put this in here, 635 00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:57,559 so you hang on one minute. I'm going to put it right at the 636 00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:05,559 bottom. Of the store, the ghost Hunter Store Www. Dottore dot com, 637 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,639 and soon in probably the next two to three weeks, we are releasing 638 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:17,000 a new version, so you'll be able to get the amethyst and we're doing 639 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:24,840 a total like tuxedo version where it's all black and all black stones, So 640 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,880 we'll have the amethyst pod and then we'll have the all black you know, 641 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,480 back in black pod on the ghost Hunter Store. On my website, you 642 00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:40,239 can order a custom designed pod, so anything that you want. If you 643 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:44,960 follow me on any of my social media's, you'll probably see I just released 644 00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:50,239 the pictures for a crystal pod that I built for Becky and Dallentine. She 645 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:55,079 has like almost eight hundred thousand followers on TikTok and hers is on the top. 646 00:49:55,119 --> 00:50:00,280 It's a spirit board and it has ruby's and garnet and it's beautiful if 647 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,239 I do say so. But so I'm doing custom crystal pods on my website. 648 00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:09,039 Customs start at one hundred and fifty dollars the amethyst pods on the ghost 649 00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:14,639 Hunter Store or one hundred and twenty And when I go to vendor shows. 650 00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:21,480 My first vendor show the twenty eight Days Haunted event at the Bell Mansion in 651 00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:25,000 Fort Wayne, Indiana. That is next weekend, the twentieth, nineteenth, 652 00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:34,000 and twentieth. I will have vendor show pods and my static meters, which 653 00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:37,079 is a brand new piece of equipment. But the vendor show pods I retail 654 00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:42,199 at shows in person only. You cannot order these. You cannot pre order 655 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:47,000 these ninety dollars a pod. So it's fantastic. Yes, So I do 656 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:52,000 ninety dollars at my vendor shows. I have to say you can't pre order, 657 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:54,039 and you can't order because I'll have people that like, I don't know, 658 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,840 really want them, and I'm like, I get it. I do, 659 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,159 but it has to be in person, on the day, at the 660 00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:05,079 moment. Yes, on the day, in the moment, in the person. 661 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,280 And this weekend I have a build workshop, so if you want to 662 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,440 learn how to build them. I teamed up with the Cleveland Haunt Club in 663 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,239 Avon. Like, although this isn't coming out until next Wednesday, so don't 664 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,920 worry about that, it's over, it's over. The workshop was so great. 665 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,960 Oh, this show's coming out after that. Sorry, folks, already 666 00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:29,960 get your hopes al up. But this weekend, the twentieth, I'll be 667 00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:34,599 at the Bell Mansion, and then they can also find my schedule, my 668 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,440 workshop schedule, my appearance schedule. I'm going to be doing some talks. 669 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,519 I'm going to be doing some lectures coming up this season in twenty twenty four, 670 00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:46,000 and I'm still booking. But that's all on my website, Lauren Haunts, 671 00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:52,079 Lauren haunts dot com, Lauren haunts dot com. All right, l 672 00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,119 a u r Ian Hantsah, oh, and you've got it. You've got 673 00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:58,199 it right there on your name. Yep. I put it, I put 674 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,679 it. I put it just so people see it. Have you been to 675 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,559 the Bell before? Is this your first? I have, yes. I 676 00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:07,360 love the Bell Well that's what I did an event there with with Dana and 677 00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:13,679 Christina and Kathy last year, and I do like it. It's just such 678 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:19,320 a beautiful building. It's gorgeous, absolutely beautiful. It's gorgeously gorgeous. Yep. 679 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,440 Yeah, I'm very very excited for that. There is a there is 680 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,239 a ghost hunt for the event. There's a VIP party the night before, 681 00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:29,400 so it's gonna be a really good time. The whole cast of twenty eight 682 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:35,159 Days Haunted is there, so that's gonna be really really fun, very great 683 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,159 off my vendor show season. So I think that's great. And and you 684 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,920 are Am I going to see you? Am I going to see you in 685 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,639 Heilby Manor with the Psychic Farah? No, you're not there for the Psychic 686 00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:51,559 Fair. I might just come because I want to try to attend events that 687 00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:55,679 I'm not working so that I can just have fun. Not that my vendor. 688 00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,199 For that, I've never I'm anxious to do that. I have a 689 00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:05,000 call with Carrie this this week. I'm hopefully planning a nice ghost hunt that 690 00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,960 I can I bring a whole bunch of my friends too, so that'll be 691 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,679 you and I chatted about that. So yeah, we chat about that. 692 00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:13,599 That would be a really good time. I've never been. It is, 693 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,320 it's so I love that location. It's huge. It's even on like a 694 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:23,599 haunted hill, like it's just really so, it's so cool and it's huge, 695 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,760 and it's pretty haunted, pretty haunted. They get a lot of it. 696 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,960 I will say. I have my investigation there on YouTube and we did 697 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:42,599 get a pretty substantial EVP and some very controversial I've been working with the flashlight 698 00:53:42,679 --> 00:53:46,519 method because I'm building a piece of equipment that improves it. Second Lauren. 699 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,360 Lauren, we're coming to a hard stop on this show and I hate to 700 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,079 do this. These hours go by so bad, but stay on the line 701 00:53:53,079 --> 00:53:55,639 because I want to chat with you. Thanks for joining us this week. 702 00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:59,719 Everyone. We will see you next week right here on The Paranormal Project. 703 00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:05,800 Have a great night, everybody. Take care. You've been listening to The 704 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:17,559 Paranormal Project radio show with Scott Allen and Christina Bowet. Be sure to subscribe 705 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:21,760 so you don't miss the next episode. While you're there, leave us a 706 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,199 rating and review. We'll be back next week with more exciting guests. Now, 707 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,599 go out there and explore the Paranormal