WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:21.000 Good morning, friends and friends, I am Julio Pérez and this is the 2 00:00:21.199 --> 00:00:27.640 train of life, a radio adventure along the routes of the heart. I 3 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:32.960 want to invite you to travel with me and dream together in a better world, 4 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:38.359 a different world where men and women of good will can live in peace 5 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:45.679 and freedom. The train of life is a magaxine of good news and hope. 6 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:54.039 This is a radio time specially designed for people like you and like so 7 00:00:54.159 --> 00:00:59.920 many truth seekers, of the only truth that can make us authentic free come 8 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:08.640 I invite you to travel with us on the safest train of all, which 9 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:17.719 will definitely take you to safe harbour. This is the train of life. 10 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:55.799 Mother. Good morning, Spain. Good morning, friends and friends, welcome 11 00:01:56.040 --> 00:02:01.159 to this fast- moving train as life itself, the fascinating adventure of life 12 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:09.159 seen and felt through a train like life this living parable. Thirty years later, 13 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:15.319 here we continue with more than 1, 600 programs under way. The 14 00:02:15.400 --> 00:03:15.439 train of life goes on. Here we go. Come with me. You 15 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:21.520 can sell your soul to the devil. You' re selling your soul. 16 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:29.879 These days he thought of those who certainly sell their soul to the devil explicitly, 17 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:37.639 but also of those who do it implicitly, without even noticing themselves, 18 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:44.000 in many cases, that they are mortgaged their lives for all eternity. And 19 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:49.879 this is no joke. In universal literature, this topic has been discussed on 20 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:54.360 several occasions. The most famous works in this regard, among others, are 21 00:03:55.080 --> 00:04:00.159 Fausto de Goeth, the Lord of the Rings, also of Tolkin and, 22 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:04.240 of course, the portrait of Dorian Grey, of Oscar Walde. Selling the 23 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:08.680 soul to the devil is also, in some way, a metaphor about giving 24 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:13.400 material importance to what it does not deserve at the cost of what it does 25 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.800 deserve. The soul represents being and what is obtained in exchange for selling it 26 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:25.519 is to have or obtain something wealth or possessions or status. Many people are 27 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:29.879 hungry for power, fame, wealth, among many other human ambitions and from 28 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:32.639 what we see and hear, we realize that such people are willing to all, 29 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:38.240 in many cases, in order to achieve what they propose and it is 30 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:46.199 really disturbing, besides extremely dangerous to enter into the deep throat of the devil, 31 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:53.680 flirting with witchcraft, sorceries and satanic covenants that de facto imprison souls of 32 00:04:53.720 --> 00:05:00.519 infinity of many unwary who choose immediate pleasure and temporary success in exchange for the 33 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:11.360 loss of their precious souls. This may seem incredible at this point in a 34 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:18.079 world as sophisticated as Ours and increasingly cautious of consciousness. Unfortunately, however, 35 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:26.959 in these last times we observe with greater intensity the seduction of thousands of people 36 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:35.040 fascinated by this sinister mephistopheles understand, the same devil who is even able to 37 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:41.839 offer to the own children of God, as the case of Balaam, all 38 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:46.959 the kingdoms of this world in exchange for a sick desire for supreme worship to 39 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:54.879 his person. One of the most biblical, more paradigmatic cases found in the 40 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:58.800 scriptures is that of Judas Iscariot, who was made to lose his soul by 41 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:04.600 the greedy obsession of stealing and making easy money at a cost of betraying God 42 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:10.079 ’ s own son. When Jesus said that the thief has come to steal, 43 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:15.000 kill and destroy, he was perfectly describing the same satan who has become 44 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:19.800 the wicked thief of the precious souls of human beings that we are made in 45 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:28.279 the image and likeness of God. But what is extraordinary is what declares Jesus 46 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:32.279 himself in this very scripture. But I have come that you may have life 47 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:41.959 and that you may have it abundantly Jesus gives us eternal life by sincere trust 48 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:46.720 in his person and, moreover, offers us an abundant life. This means 49 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:51.079 the pleroma or fullness of the Holy Spirit, which gives us the true spiritual 50 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:58.199 power to live a Christian life, victorious and enjoy a new identity and the 51 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.839 abundant riches of his grace. This yes, which is a life with purpose 52 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:28.720 and a safe destiny. The sky, the train of life. Life, 53 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:39.319 ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this master car of the train of life, 54 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:43.639 and I say masterful because it is a place. Those who are tuned to 55 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:47.759 us have entered epically into the magisterial wagon of the train of life, because 56 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:54.040 any of our friends are welcomed. This is a popular train, as our 57 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:59.160 friend Luis Alfredo says. This is a popular train. It' s everyone 58 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:03.199 ' s train. No one is excluded here. It' s an inclusive 59 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.639 train. All good men and women have a place here in this train of 60 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:13.959 life. Thirty years later, he said one thousand six hundred more programs we 61 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:16.920 already exceeded two thousand six hundred, which there is nae. Thirty years, 62 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:20.040 for five years, two three- hour weekly editions of the train of life. 63 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:24.800 And, well, the rest of the years, because every week and 64 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:30.959 at the point of the appointment, we always meet with thousands of people throughout 65 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.240 the Spanish geography. But what' s also interesting is that we have a 66 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:41.399 lot of hours, also about six zero hours of radio over them in the 67 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.279 magazine of the train of life. Well, I don' t remember I 68 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:50.320 worked with Luis del Olmo in zero wave, in the various zero wave work 69 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:54.320 teams that we worked in several, in various sections, and also with Julia 70 00:08:54.399 --> 00:09:01.240 Otero and other local programs and among others, tough from the last years of 71 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:05.919 the nineties and they gave him the doctor one and cause without having studied journalism. 72 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:09.960 Well, I' ve studied journalism, but of course the bachelor' 73 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:16.759 s degree, because it requires more intensity. But they gave him doctor honoris 74 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.759 cause for his presence on the radio. Well, I don' t ask 75 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.840 that much. Nor do I compare myself with the great master of radio journalists, 76 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:30.440 as Luis del Olmo has been. I still live a man really very, 77 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.320 very good person, at least in the deal that I knew, and 78 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.240 besides, a professional like the cup of a pine that marked the path of 79 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:45.159 the Creo, the radio talk and many more things. But well, at 80 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:50.519 least I think that de facto we could be considered worthy of being present on 81 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.480 the waves. Our team, my whole team, here we are, too. 82 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.480 This morning, we' ll be with Victor Minoni, sesca flat gumá 83 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:03.080 look. We need a book growing more together, a guide for couples today. 84 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:09.840 This book has been written by Esther Martínez la Vera, the psychologist and 85 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.840 professor of the University Rovira de Virgilli, here in Tarragona, of Evolutionary Psychology, 86 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:20.639 and Eduardo Brasier, a senior journalist and pastor, a man who has 87 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:22.559 really marked the path. He was for many years the director of Youth for 88 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:28.039 Christ, also a couple who have really contributed a lot to the evangelical world, 89 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:33.159 to the Christian faith and here a book by Esther Martínez with Eduardo Braciel, 90 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.720 but Victor Mironis sesca flatagumá make an explosive combination in the sense. This 91 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:46.639 work contains ten different chapters of theoretical and psychological. Theological application supported in biblical 92 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:52.120 accounts with Eduardo Brasier the first part with ester and then with Victoris It is 93 00:10:52.200 --> 00:11:01.000 practical dynamics to develop and internalize concepts of family, couple, life. Listen 94 00:11:01.120 --> 00:11:05.240 to the book. I' ve been doing a quick reading of the book 95 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.759 and I tell you one thing. This book had to be studied in universities. 96 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:11.279 I' m telling you for real. Hey, for the book building 97 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:18.639 and then the contribution so rich. Well, growing up more together with Victor 98 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:20.840 miron sesca human plan, we' ve been able to gather all four of 99 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.360 them for their chores. But we have captured the attention of Victor and sesca 100 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:30.720 that we will have them online by zool and also of course, through the 101 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:37.200 waves in many Spanish cities on the train of life. We then have a 102 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:41.320 meeting with our friend, clinical psychologist Daniel Garso a, a man already so 103 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:48.039 experienced and who brings us a lot every time he talks to us solving disagreements 104 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:50.159 and family or conflicts eh, but we' re going to solve problems. 105 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:56.799 Here they make us a very positive proposal and a road map and many aspects 106 00:11:56.799 --> 00:12:01.679 of landscapes of family life with victor seskai Esther and Eduardo Brasier. But now 107 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:07.440 we have the clinical psychologist solving disagreements and family conflicts, Daniel Gaso, you 108 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:11.879 know that he is wise and so precise that he enlightens us with so many 109 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.200 questions. Well, then, let' s see him give us tools to 110 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:20.720 get out of some traffic jam than anyone else we have a partner or family, 111 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:26.279 there on the train of life. And then we had the pleasure of 112 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:31.679 having a communication these days with Alfonso Guevara. He is pastor, even dean 113 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:39.519 of pastors, professor in many theological faculties and very good writer. Pastors have 114 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.679 to read two of their free, fleshly shepherds and the life of the shepherd, 115 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:46.759 who are magnificent. We talked about that a little bit, too. 116 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:50.120 But the presentation of his book, a book that has caught my attention by 117 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:56.279 the title so simple but so powerful. Jesus in everything, Jesus in everything? 118 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:00.039 And He puts thirteen aspects of life, where Jesus is or is not 119 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.919 Jesus in everything or Jesus in nothing. But the title draws my attention a 120 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:11.000 lot, but the quality, let' s say literary, of Alfonso' 121 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.080 s pen deserves the attention of this book, which is very good. It 122 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:18.240 ' s a book that impacts Jesus on everything. He will tell us a 123 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:20.840 little about his things, his books, his trajectory, and especially about this 124 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:26.080 international presentation of Jesus in everything. Alfonso guevara here on the train of life. 125 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:33.559 Good music, good company and many more things. Here we go. 126 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:39.840 You can send your message through our Facebook. Through our Facebook, entering three 127 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:46.159 double months. Stop the train of life. Point is the train of life? 128 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.360 Point is remember that in this way you collaborate with us. Tell us 129 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:56.240 your impressions, ask us and participate actively. We want to meet you. 130 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:01.480 We want to meet you. Use our website three times of great points by 131 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:05.879 train of life, together is and follow us, through Facebook, through photos. 132 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:22.960 I' m going to do whatever it is, whatever source house, 133 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:28.120 I' m not going to do what they want me to be. Even 134 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:33.200 if the world moves from me. I want to be, I want to 135 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:39.519 be one more, a drinking roper, of water, of fernal life, 136 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:48.720 of calf fuck. I gave myself early to live with is the one I 137 00:14:48.960 --> 00:15:01.840 copied it with about two and I tend to live. That big man pesangs 138 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:16.120 the morgues. I also give myself so to love my not to die goats 139 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:22.600 to your love. That' s not what it looks like. When I 140 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:33.519 pass I see tori as well you sing to your love onc does not know 141 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:39.360 when you marry, but of the life that I stay with you, I 142 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:43.960 prefer it. I don' t have, I don' t want moms 143 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.519 love Conndali home gets in my head and in the challenge no longer thought wrong. 144 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.639 I can' t, because I' m going to be alone in 145 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:56.879 your living room, because you can' t give and as here, I 146 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:56.919 ' m going to take her, see you happy and she' ll bring 147 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:03.720 us back. He just wants to do what his father wants you to do, 148 00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:08.000 what you want nothing. My will dies in my heart. He prefers 149 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.519 that you want to do what you want, whatever it is. That that 150 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:17.120 was said, I will not do what they want, that I am man, 151 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:22.720 that we do not sell you I want you to be a glass, 152 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:33.360 a glass to go from drinking as from the life of I will offer to 153 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:41.080 them and I enjoy living to heaven. God your path entrusted to this. 154 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:55.000 I enjoy living if I always expect to think, but death you see it 155 00:16:55.879 --> 00:17:07.640 ' s inside. I' m also going to sea issues as I open 156 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:11.680 up to love is that, it doesn' t know that much happens. 157 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:22.680 But this one, as you know Saint Love, is so, you do 158 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:30.680 not know or Saint, but this one that is worth one and I do 159 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:40.400 not find myself. You know who the tom As galas bar is, this 160 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:52.839 Amon jass Carolina leaves the group. Luis has left the group. How they 161 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:56.799 left the Chatting group. The steering wheel produces an incessant drip of victims. 162 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:00.880 Thirty- eight percent of fatal accidents are due to a distraction behind the wheel. 163 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.799 Ninety- nine percent of your attention isn' t enough. Directorate- 164 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.279 General for Traffic, Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. We' 165 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.759 re right next to you You deserve to be a cat. We' re 166 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:15.359 going to support myself with every show of support for a battered woman. The 167 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:21.599 exit from your situation is a little closer. Tell him they call, but 168 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:25.200 you say that. If there' s a way out of gender- based 169 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:29.160 violence, it' s thanks to you. Government of San Juan invests 180 170 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:33.720 euros a month in suffering. Alberto invests 200 euros in extortion. Carlos invests 171 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:40.119 150 euros in kidnappings. Every time you pay you' re investing in extortion 172 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:44.960 mobs or quitting. Help them out don' t invest in suffering against trafficking 173 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.880 in women. The Government of Spain is aware of this. If you want 174 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:53.759 to visit our website www wble. Stop the train of life? Stop the 175 00:18:53.839 --> 00:19:26.160 train of life? Port ulti p proyecto. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, 176 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:30.559 we are already in a station with good friends. It has been said that 177 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:36.880 a happy and lasting marriage is the result of an intentional work, walking together 178 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:41.680 together beside the creator of marriage, creator with capital. Hey, I was 179 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:47.240 reading this book, doing a quick reading of the book, and I' 180 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:48.680 ll tell you one thing when I read the book. Aside from there are 181 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:53.599 mountains of books related to family, couples, conjugal life, etcetera, etcetera. 182 00:19:55.319 --> 00:20:03.319 But with four people like Esther Martínez, he psychotized them from evolutionary psychology 183 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.839 and professor of Eduardo Brasil University, journalist, senior pastor, a very experienced 184 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:12.200 man, Victor Mirón, as well as pastor, also counselor, family, 185 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:18.079 master in therapy, family, presidents of family, family together with sesca flatagomá 186 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:25.880 that is iDen de lo iDen and with the trajectory the experience that they have 187 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:30.000 been bringing since the 1990s, with more intensity ninety I tell you are thirty 188 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:36.960 - two years that with an unstoppable intensity, they created the Ministry of Family 189 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.599 Family, when in Spain, in our communities, the issue was barely addressed 190 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:49.200 in an orderly way and marriages were prepared to give the passage of marriage liaison 191 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:53.319 and other such things that have been taking place in these years. They were 192 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:59.680 pioneers in this case Victor Isheska and Bueno and they have given us some books 193 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.839 like this combined with other authors as well. But these books, this book 194 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:10.359 of these four, I would say characters. Allow me to review it yesterday 195 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:17.680 of these days, which I was reading and was saying this Treaty would have 196 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:21.519 to be given in universities, at least in Christian universities, but in others. 197 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:29.799 They don' t want to, because it' s an architecture about 198 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:33.920 preventing, working, correcting, strengthening conjugal life, family life, relational life. 199 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:37.160 This book is good. Really. I' m not saying that because 200 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:41.799 they' re my friends who are, who are also very close in my 201 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.759 heart, but it' s true. When things are the way they are, 202 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:48.119 believe me, they must be valued. A gria for today' s 203 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:55.079 couples growing more together. This is the book that editorial clie already has for 204 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:57.960 sale, that is, they can directly in the bookstores of the cities in 205 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:04.160 question or editorial cli on their platform. And I welcome my friends. Victor 206 00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:11.519 Mirón Sethka Plana Guma, good morning dears, how about good? Days out, 207 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.720 how' s it going? We' re fine, if I' 208 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:18.079 m going to introduce myself. You made us guys. Well, yeah, 209 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:19.400 well, but it' s true, it' s not true. I 210 00:22:19.480 --> 00:22:23.920 ' m telling you the truth. Well, I see glowing. Uh, 211 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:27.440 yeah, yeah, well, it' ll be, it' ll be, 212 00:22:27.440 --> 00:22:30.319 it' ll be the light. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah? 213 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:33.559 Well, yeah, yeah, it' s not true. Listen to 214 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:37.160 such a long- awaited book. This was almost the birth of the donkey. 215 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:42.039 Not with this book, good, and of the mountains and mountains. 216 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:48.440 And if the donkeys take so many, turn up. I' ve never 217 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:51.359 looked like one, but that' s a big wall. Yeah, yeah, 218 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:55.039 yeah, well, yeah, it' s been elaborate man. It 219 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:59.880 has cost us time because, in fact, and long ago we had to 220 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:06.480 write and sometimes it takes a push from someone to be able to write truth, 221 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.839 but it also thinks it was managed before the pandemic. And the pandemic 222 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:18.880 has shaken us all, it has delayed everything. So, this book should 223 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:23.519 have come out possibly just a year ago and the pandemic on top of that 224 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.359 I' ve been a long birth. The pandemic has made it even longer 225 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:33.519 also Julio, a book written to four humans. Yeah, well, four, 226 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.759 four, four by four, sixteen hands that we have two each difficult 227 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:41.839 is more. It' s not agile bread like when you do write one. 228 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:45.880 No, although, on the other hand, it can and is much 229 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:52.880 richer working together, also with Eduardo Ester has been very, very, very, 230 00:23:53.039 --> 00:24:00.039 very constructive Pa for everyone. We' ve all learned from the four 231 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:03.680 of us and it' s been great working together really and easily. Grace, 232 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:08.960 well, there are several elements, a good friendship, but also that 233 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:15.359 you have lectured many together, you have done workshops forums and many things. 234 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:18.839 And that' s also a very, very important contribution to describing, that 235 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:25.480 it' s not easy to write with four hands, it' s difficult, 236 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:30.000 I say to agree, but here they interact several things that are perfect 237 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.599 for a book like this. The topic of theoretical and psychological, the theoretical 238 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:37.400 and psychological contribution of what is family, good marriage, begins with marriage and 239 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:41.119 becomes a family From a moment on, the theological application supports giving in biblical 240 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:48.359 accounts that I have loved. The characters that appear at every scene in the 241 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.759 house, we' ll talk about it a little bit. This is also 242 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:59.480 our friend, Eduardo Brasier, as a good theologian and pastor, and well, 243 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:04.119 you are also pastors, but practical dynamics in order to develop and internalize 244 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:07.599 these concepts. And that' s where you get into action. Well, 245 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:12.799 you get in the rag with a lot of questions. So the truth is 246 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:18.599 that this book I have said and I would say it again in the end, 247 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:22.599 this book is a book to be studied in theological faculties, at least, 248 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:29.160 uh it would be good in the faculties of the country, to be 249 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.799 worked. So you' re actually looking out for it, you said. 250 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:38.559 There are many books and it is true, fortunately, that speak of the 251 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.759 relationship of couple, marriage, family, etcetera. But I dare say that 252 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:48.160 this is unique in the sense that you have well mentioned, it is not 253 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.680 a book that is not only in the psychological or relational part, but that 254 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:59.960 there is a book to give tools, to put into action what you have 255 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:07.519 read. And even more so if you are a Christian, for it gives 256 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:12.319 you even examples in the Bible from which we can learn and realize that what 257 00:26:12.640 --> 00:26:18.559 is happening today, because it was also happening many years ago, that we 258 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.240 are not living something new in a sense as seen, the basics, and 259 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:30.039 that everything has its solution and its path to improvement and enrichment. Yes, 260 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:36.400 yes, well, it' s good to think about the position marriages insist 261 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:41.920 on each section. This is genius, because it' s a practical bet. 262 00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:48.720 After reading, for example, we entered the chapter. First, there 263 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.240 is good, obviously, you have to read the book, because it has 264 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.440 a lot of enjundia. Together at the entrance we' ll get in what 265 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.640 ' s going on. We' re already in through a house and what 266 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.559 ' s going on in that driveway. Well, at that entrance what we 267 00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:11.839 got in. We enter with great enthusiasm, we enter with expectations, with 268 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.279 great desire. But when we get in, we don' t just come 269 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:23.039 in, but we also get the backpack that we carry behind each of our 270 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.720 families, what we' ve learned from family. Each one leads to his 271 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.440 expectation, his idea of family, because it is in which he lived, 272 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.319 for good or for evil and for both. Second, also your life experiences 273 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:38.839 before, also your illusions truth and all this, and who is it? 274 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:42.599 Who is it? He as a person. And all this makes a potyptoti 275 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:48.480 not that comes in with all the illusion and comes in with our suitcases inside 276 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.039 the house. And then, there, we have to get to know each 277 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.640 other and start seeing the first situations. And I think that' s interesting, 278 00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:00.759 being able to talk and be able to have a good start, because 279 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:07.839 a good start, although it' s not determining true, but it always 280 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:11.559 helps to have a good development afterwards. And how many times in the start 281 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.960 is when many have failed because they do not realize the importance of preparing to 282 00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:22.119 enter this new building. And if you' ve seen the metaphor we' 283 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:30.759 ve used is the metaphor of a house, in the different situations or rooms 284 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:36.079 that may be in an apartment, in a house, then we get this 285 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.240 idea of this metaphor to move around the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 286 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:47.799 The truth is that I have gone through the house with this book and 287 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.960 if you talk about all the questions, at least as far as I know 288 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.480 or have seen or heard from my pastoral experience that you live from another angle, 289 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:04.319 I say you deal with plans, all the potential situations that can be 290 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:08.519 given and the most complex, even many of the most complex. We got 291 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.279 to the living room together and that' s where we' re entering another 292 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:18.599 phase. Right. Yes, In fact, in every stay of the House 293 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:26.599 we address the basic, basic and most important issues of the relationship. For 294 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:33.039 example, together in the living room is the subject of communication. It gives 295 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:41.440 a sense of relaxation when you sit on the sofa and it is a good 296 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:47.079 place to communicate, to come to the heart, to listen, to share 297 00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:52.319 how one feels to share what one expects, desires or is saddened or concerned 298 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:57.079 about. The living room is the place where we address here the issue as 299 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:03.559 important and basic as the topic of communication, communication. We would be like 300 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.039 blood to life, to publication, to couple, to marriage, to everything 301 00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:15.480 we do. We communicate, we communicate desires, we communicate anger, we 302 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:21.400 communicate joy, we communicate sadness, we express ourselves to all kinds of communication 303 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:27.839 movements. Then that' s having that time to be able to talk quietly, 304 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:33.640 having a coffee or whatever it takes or a sherry according to ball or 305 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.799 s or whatever it takes, but power in that time to relax and be 306 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:42.720 able to talk and be able to contrast some things. There it can come 307 00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:48.319 out, because I know some of the issues that it touches to ester is 308 00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.319 precisely the almost ill- treatment. Sometimes, because there is a lot of 309 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:59.200 abuse at the psychological level as well. So, things like that go down 310 00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:06.359 and then, like you said, each area has a counseling section, which 311 00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:11.079 is our part, and that' s where the Armariage Position system is that 312 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.559 in the end as GPS, GPS, you say steal where you' re 313 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.319 the most from the car, because here the idea was the same, which 314 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.200 is a little bit of coaching yourself, that is, where we were with 315 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.400 this topic, where we' re in communication, and the next question is 316 00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.519 where and where we want to go. So, interact the two of you 317 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.799 and be able to come to a conclusion, if possible. We try to 318 00:31:33.880 --> 00:31:38.640 reach the end that of everything you have read flash they reach some points of 319 00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:45.279 action, to specific aspects, as that communication. That is the living room 320 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.880 yes and you also talk about the real dangers, the danger of infidelity, 321 00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:53.599 the repercussions of a separation in the life of our children, violence and abuse, 322 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:59.559 fleeing from n egocentrism, seeking protection, going and the body, the 323 00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:06.839 danger of family disintegration, etcetera. There are things in each section very important 324 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.960 to probe and meditate, already to take into account. We arrived in the 325 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:16.319 kitchen, the spouses cooks of family relationships. There' s a lot of 326 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:21.880 cloth in there. Not in the kitchen, the Marster Sheff of the best 327 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:27.920 of all, but the fabric, because there we talk about roles. What 328 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:32.160 does, what, the payatis, macaroni and all that and it' s 329 00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:37.039 already out of here you don' t get what' s so important, 330 00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:40.559 no and how many fights, arguments and misunderstandings of valuable roles. No, 331 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:46.720 it looks like the kitchen' s good. This waste is now, fortunately, 332 00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:51.720 I' m seeing July lately that more men than women enter the kitchen. 333 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it' s me going in to bite, 334 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.079 I' m in. Yeah, that' s right. I' 335 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.720 m still yours Victor. But, but, but, but, but, 336 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:05.599 the but, the truth is that there are many men now, all of 337 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:08.920 me for my children, my son- in- law, are more cooks 338 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:10.640 than my daughter- in- law and me and my daughter at home. 339 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.240 Yeah, actually. Yeah, yeah,' cause because they' re born, 340 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:17.640 they' re born Let' s go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 341 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:21.720 yeah? That' s right. Not good, whoever we intend in 342 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:27.000 this chapter, the three or the six. Well, I say the three 343 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:31.279 of you, the six Esther Edward and Victorio, the four of you, 344 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:35.519 not the six of you. I don' t even know how to tell 345 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.720 is to talk about roles, not how important, which is that everyone is 346 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:44.960 in the right place in the relationship. No and do whatever you do by 347 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.839 giving a hundred percent, because if there is no correct understanding of roles, 348 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:55.240 there are recriminations. One seems to be working more than the other and it 349 00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:00.599 is a discussion that leads nowhere and rather, what they do is distance the 350 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:07.240 relationship. Then we played this topic in depth at the Council. There is 351 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:15.000 a very concrete case and we think that we give good tools to work on 352 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.199 this issue of roles, that it is very important to work it and go 353 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:23.760 into the hall earlier when we enter the marriage, to be able to talk 354 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:29.039 about this topic very clearly and not on the way, although good if it 355 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:30.000 has not been done, because it was going on the way. It' 356 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:37.800 s always good to do it at one time or another, but especially when 357 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.440 the relationship starts how interesting and we keep going around the house. And there 358 00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:45.039 is a moment that I like very much because we confront or face our inner 359 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:52.079 life together in front of the mirror, as we are truly individually as well 360 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.599 as as as a couple. And then there are many aspects of the imperative 361 00:34:54.679 --> 00:35:00.480 need to live slowly and also the necessary wit the temple of the spirit, 362 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:05.800 both emotions. Then he talks a lot about the inner life, about our 363 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.800 need to make an introspection about us. That' s not much of a 364 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:15.039 normal deal, is it? There is no less and less in our circles, 365 00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:22.840 sometimes to Christians that we super- spiritualize everything, and it seems that 366 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:32.119 a Christian person cannot have ambiguous feelings or cannot have difficult situations as in his 367 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:37.360 or her area. No, and that relates to spirituality And it' s 368 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:43.559 a big mistake, because in ours we are formed of emotions and emotions is 369 00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.719 like an inner passage that we all carry. No, it' s hard 370 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.119 to get in there. Some are more extroverted and others less. But worked 371 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:59.400 emotions. It' s important to look at one thing I wanted to tell 372 00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:07.079 you before, but also the cases, the welcome home, which is our 373 00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:14.039 part, are real cases. These are cases that we have worked through our 374 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:19.679 time, but I would say basically since the last decade and they would almost 375 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.119 say the last few years. They' re very real cases. What happens 376 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:29.840 is that we have changed the scenario and the names and all the truth, 377 00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:36.400 but they are cases that we have attended in our personal counseling, in situations 378 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:40.239 that have presented themselves. And it is curious because in every chapter that, 379 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:45.719 as I say, as we have said these three sections, ours, which 380 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.840 is that of the Council. It is curious because, for example, on 381 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.079 the subject of communication, the case we are dealing with, as Victor said, 382 00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.159 is a real case, but it is that we could here. But 383 00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.199 in a real case it is that the vast majority great majority who come to 384 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:07.159 a consultation for a topic of bad communication is that we all look very much 385 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:12.719 alike, is that it differs little, there is a different environment, obviously, 386 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:16.079 but what is the basis. I say this because sometimes we can think 387 00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:22.199 that only this happens to me and this is like very dramatic, and it 388 00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:25.000 ' s dramatic if I don' t look for a solution, if I 389 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.840 don' t look for tools to help me. But we have to know 390 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:34.519 that we all look a lot alike, that we are working on the same 391 00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:38.800 boat, to say, somehow and wishing to go to the same place and 392 00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:44.719 we need tools. That' s why, when we play, we take 393 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.280 a case in the communication case, it' s good for everyone. It 394 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:52.000 serves everyone, because in what tools are given to help a better communication to 395 00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:58.519 all marriages, that we read this chapter, we have better, worse communication. 396 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.039 Something' s gonna fill us up real sure. Yeah,' cause 397 00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:06.760 we look alike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have similar similarities, 398 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:12.079 no doubt and we come to a very interesting point together in the bedroom. 399 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:16.320 This I if anyone has heard speak well and clearly of this is to you 400 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:22.719 and especially good to both, but especially to Victor who enters into matter to 401 00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:29.960 good break taboos. I knew at this point, no more, no more, 402 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:35.679 there is no place. But this conjugating the verb love in all its 403 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.800 times and seeing or loving in sexuality among other things, et cetera, et 404 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:45.760 cetera. There are many very important distances here. This theme is how important 405 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:52.440 you give it together in the bedroom. Well, it' s vital to 406 00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:58.559 look at this weekend. We were giving weekends these retreats or wedding meetings and 407 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:04.840 we talked about that topic and we said that the sexual relationship in the couple 408 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:09.840 is the thermometer of the relationship. There are people who say we have sex 409 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:15.840 because we are going to increase our partner relationship. Not the intimacy that there 410 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:22.280 is and expressed in a sexual way between the two. It tells us whether 411 00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.000 there is a fever or no fever in this marriage, whether it works or 412 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:31.599 not. Because it is the freest and deepest action that is involved all that 413 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:37.239 we are. The sexual relationship is global. I mean, there' s 414 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.559 my thought, there' s my feelings, there' s my body, 415 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:45.519 of course, but there' s also my social aspect, the expression, 416 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.360 and there' s also my spirituality. That' s not all out of 417 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.519 relationships. That' s why it' s important that when we have relationships, 418 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:57.639 be it with the person we love and with an expression like the end 419 00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:02.119 of a good communication, as you know when you put communication, you want 420 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.280 to review a word, you put a few points of admiration. That would 421 00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.440 be the idea of sexuality in the relationship, which goes through different stages. 422 00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:15.159 Imagine how much fun, because each one carries his own fantasies and all this 423 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:19.559 sometimes bothers us more, it does not help us to have a good intimacy. 424 00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.559 That is why it seems to us to be a very key, very 425 00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:27.679 key aspect. There are many couples who don' t have relationships or some 426 00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.559 who just look for a relationship. It' s, if this was a 427 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:34.920 triangle, love. In fact, if that would be one of the cleaters 428 00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:39.239 and one of the sides, the other would be the aspect of friendship of 429 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:45.719 companionship and the other would also be well understood love, but I don' 430 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:51.000 t know. We think it' s basic and I have to say in 431 00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:54.519 this section, in the welcome to the bedroom, Esther touches it in a 432 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:59.800 masterful way. She has the most psychological part, but in a masterful way, 433 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:07.079 because of techniques. There are lots of technical books on how to have 434 00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.119 sex in every way, in every style and in every position, but of 435 00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:15.400 love of love, tenderness, respect, when there is sexual relationship, this 436 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:21.840 is another song and in this chapter just what we do as Eduardo who speaks 437 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.400 of Solomon and the Shulamite, is not very beautiful beautiful relationship. I mean, 438 00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:34.599 I think we have a very good understanding in this chapter of what love 439 00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:37.880 is, what tenderness is, what passion is, what sex is, and 440 00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:44.800 what sexual relationship also entails and carries the relationship. We always quote to cease 441 00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.960 Luis, the one of Narnia' s chronicles, because he has fantastic phrases. 442 00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:53.239 Besides man writes, but says pleasure is an invention of God, not 443 00:41:53.239 --> 00:42:00.960 of the Devil, and of Christians we sometimes think this is something. Pleasure 444 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.159 is an invention of God and not of the Devil. The Devil has spoiled 445 00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:08.320 it, but Lord God has designed it for our enjoyment And then, my 446 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:15.079 great professor, Dr Hendriks or Bard Hendris, who instructed me in all this. 447 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:22.079 He always said Victor. We are not to be ashamed of what God 448 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.800 was not ashamed of in that, I repeat the phrase is in the book. 449 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:31.599 We should not be ashamed to speak of what God was not ashamed to 450 00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:35.679 create. So, let' s talk in a way. If anyone can 451 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.559 speak well of the sexual relationship, of the intimacy between a man and a 452 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:43.559 woman in marriage. They' re an isthion, because we know the one 453 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.519 who designed it out of obedience. Therefore, there is the chapter to read 454 00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:51.440 them all and the example of chalomon going to his humintad is precious. In 455 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:53.320 addition, the singing of the songs, which is a book of sexual relations, 456 00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:59.199 is a book in the purest and noblest sense the word, but intentionally 457 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.519 clear you can look you can spiritualize, yes, but you have spiritualized it 458 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:06.960 in order not to recognize your reality. Also Yes, yes, exact, 459 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:10.000 exact It is a book of love in its pure essence. But in addition 460 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:15.000 to the hormonal question and sexual desire and the differences between men and women, 461 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:17.320 the way of organizing life and thoughts, there I understand that Esther works it, 462 00:43:19.360 --> 00:43:21.840 no, because in the states of mind there are also hormonal alterations, 463 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:28.199 let' s say the sluggishness, the apathy and so many, here there 464 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:35.599 is punch cloth to learn and catch up. It talks about reproduction and birth 465 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:42.079 control, which is also interesting. These themes sometimes in our homes, in 466 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:45.760 our comforts we do not touch much or nothing. Yes, yes, yes, 467 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:51.360 there is also a chapter, there is a very important section on adopted 468 00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:57.079 children and the subject of mind control. But we come to a moment that 469 00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:01.519 can also go unnoticed, but that is the u used or the cause of 470 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:07.800 many conflicts in the Conjugal life or in the family together in the office, 471 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:13.000 which is the administrative life of the couple. This issue is important to talk 472 00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.559 to us a little bit about. Well, it' s a topic, 473 00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:27.559 as you well said too, that carries its pressure when we live together and 474 00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:32.760 when each one has or comes also with the idea of individual or personal. 475 00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:38.360 When we get married and have a project in common, we have to agree 476 00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:44.079 on many things and on one of them and basics, the economy, how 477 00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:52.000 we spend, how we invest, how we keep it and how we give 478 00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:54.920 tools and suggestions on how to grow more together. In this topic do not 479 00:44:55.000 --> 00:45:00.239 notice that always laid motive, although we are passing by home, is always 480 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:06.039 growing, but not growing but growing more together, for example, in money. 481 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.360 What is happening and what we have seen for a long time, which 482 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:15.960 we are also doing and presenting the seminar of orientation to marriage, which is 483 00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:20.639 the seminar of preparation for those who are to be married, and we always 484 00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:24.480 talk to them about the money, then we say, and here also the 485 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:30.079 topic of budgets, that the money is to be spent according to an agreed 486 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.400 budget of the couple. But we always say that every money that comes into 487 00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.280 the house is family money and today it is done the opposite. You have 488 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:43.320 a common expense account and you each have your own account, your own income, 489 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:45.679 and you don' t account for anyone, anything, anyone, not 490 00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:50.079 least the couple or their husband or wife for what you' re earning. 491 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.559 So this is no longer a growth according to our judgment, it is no 492 00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:59.599 longer a growth. Together there is something all together, but then the other 493 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.639 thing, each one goes his own way and we believe that this does not 494 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:07.119 help us. More points have to be made. Any money that comes into 495 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:13.039 the house, the family money must be managed and it must be managed under 496 00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.760 a budget that must be agreed earlier by the couple. That' s where 497 00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:21.000 the issues go, and the case study also goes in a tense situation on 498 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:25.639 this money issue, which in this section, in the July office, in 499 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:32.599 a place where one' s trust with the other is evidenced to touch money, 500 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:42.360 trust, transparency, there' s nothing to hide. What I receive 501 00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.880 and what you receive, as Victor said, is from the common family fund. 502 00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:58.320 And it seems that on the economic issue trust brings us problems. And 503 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:00.480 it is the place, I repeat, where it is said this justly. 504 00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:06.880 Yes, yes, yes, Wow, How much I want to recommend to 505 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:13.800 our listeners the book that is already released the publication of editorial clie In in 506 00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:19.000 the voice and pens of Victor Mirons Esparranama, Esther Martínez, Eduardo Brasier, 507 00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:25.440 a great quartet good, complement each other in everything by growing more together a 508 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.960 guide for couples today and we are addressing nothing a section, the succinct of 509 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:36.119 each of the ten chapters that the book has and we talked about this, 510 00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:42.079 but we move on to the chapter together on the terrace. There is the 511 00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:47.719 time of a place for emotions, emotionality and emotion, with its highs and 512 00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:52.039 lows, in human life, true, also in the couple, in the 513 00:47:52.119 --> 00:48:00.119 family. And as this also affects us, it is not but also in 514 00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:07.119 the body, to say, emotions also affect us the idea of knowing how 515 00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:19.199 to accept ourselves in this area. And also, because there is just one 516 00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.880 issue and that is not very important, that is to be faced, that 517 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:30.159 is the intermittent explosive disorder, which is now in these very defined disorders. 518 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.840 Then she plays it well, because sometimes there are people who are explosive and 519 00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.199 copio porrazo, they are quiet of a brin and it explodes not and of 520 00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:43.840 course, the other one is surprised what happens here and then the terrace does 521 00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:49.519 not know whether to go out to look the neighbor or to throw you on 522 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.639 the terrace, then she plays well is it plays it in a fantastic way. 523 00:48:54.800 --> 00:49:02.079 Not how the unexpected that happens every day in life can dislodge us and 524 00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:10.320 how we react, how we control this and be able to speak things in 525 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:15.719 a calm and serene way. Also here Eduardo, I think it is in 526 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:24.400 this chapter that speaks yes of a marriage night. Yes, Eduardo, in 527 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:30.519 all the chapters, Eduardo has an ease, a gift to extract from the 528 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:37.840 Bible a couple and place it in the theme that we are touching, that 529 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:45.119 we ourselves that hallucinated and enjoyed a lot when together we shared what each one 530 00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:50.639 contributed from Eduardo, we learned a lot because, especially those that we have, 531 00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.480 because the good not, the good custom, the need to get close 532 00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:59.079 to the Bible and learn from it. There are many couples in situation, 533 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:06.920 so you are in all these rooms that we are commenting on, and Eduardo 534 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:12.519 gives them to us in a fantastic way. Really. That' s why 535 00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.360 I noticed if he married anonymously and I named, according to my imagination, 536 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:23.760 Victor. No, no, no good. I put the character Peter, 537 00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:30.239 who seems to pass from that as if he were an individualistic man who does 538 00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:32.719 not appear good, but appears Jesus healthy to the mother- in- law 539 00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:37.159 of Peter was married. He also lived in Capernaun Jesus was staying in his 540 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:43.199 house, his wife attended him and Peter was a very emotional, very, 541 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:49.320 very characteristically, very powerful or very angry guy. So and so. But 542 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.639 the addition is very charismatic at the same time, but very emotional. If 543 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:59.280 you see him in tre showsent in the series, Pedro fights in the sense 544 00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:01.719 of disco with others, but in depth, that is, he is very 545 00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:07.960 emotional. Very this is the character and I imagined here in this scene he 546 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:12.719 and his wife, So, in good suggestions we will go to is. 547 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:20.039 In our case, for example, when we do welcome, we decide welcome 548 00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.920 home, it' s like we' re doing an orientation, a counseling, 549 00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:29.480 but with a coffee in between, that is, a formal thing but, 550 00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:34.800 but then we always present if you see if we do as a summary 551 00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.840 of the point, for example, in this case it' s how we 552 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.920 express our emotions. There' s a summary of the point. Then we 553 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:44.639 put ourselves on the scene, that is, we present them to a couple 554 00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:47.480 in this case, because they happen, I think it is Raúl Isabel and 555 00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:52.280 they have a situation. Then we describe it, the situation and then, 556 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:58.719 focusing on the orientation and saying so, they enter our house, so to 557 00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:05.360 speak, in our office, our counseling, and then we focus on them, 558 00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:07.519 we talk to them, that is, it is the first interaction, 559 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:10.320 which is what brings them, which is the situation they have. We therefore 560 00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:16.320 try to ask questions and guide them in their situation and propose some concrete solutions. 561 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.199 No one leaves cured, because this is a session and it would take 562 00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:28.199 more, but more or less. Here too we give guidelines in all the 563 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:32.960 councils so that some counselors can follow some of these guidelines and find themselves in 564 00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:40.159 situations similar to those in front of them. And then the MPS will come. 565 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:45.480 No marriage, so where are you, then you have to communicate. 566 00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:51.000 You' re here. We' ll know if they work or not. 567 00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.480 If we apply them. Sure, sure, okay, sure, so that 568 00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:59.440 ' s when they have real courage we get here. If we get there, 569 00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:04.039 don' t go ahead. Not that I say we usually end counseling, 570 00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:07.559 because we give them some Bible principles or the word of God that we 571 00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:14.639 want advice that normally will come from proverbs other places that can apply them if 572 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:19.119 they are Christians, for we usually end up asking God to intervene in this 573 00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:24.360 area, if we don' t always suggest at the end in the MPS 574 00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:29.519 that if it is appropriate for them to talk to God regarding that subject, 575 00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:35.679 if we always try to lead them to a situation also profound of making decisions 576 00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:39.800 and presenting it if they are believers And if not, then also that they 577 00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:45.000 discover it and see that God is much more interested in them, in their 578 00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:46.280 health and committed to their health and happiness than themselves, and I think that 579 00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:51.480 is important. I very much like chapter eight together in the Community, which 580 00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:55.119 there are several aspects and even seen of some philosophical ideas within what is necessary 581 00:53:55.199 --> 00:54:01.480 spirituality and the sense of belonging to the Community, also to the community of 582 00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:07.280 the local church, as a host community also in the solidarity, social humanitarian 583 00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:14.039 part, which are in the adn of all, also we. But this 584 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:19.320 is the issue of the relationship of the family, of the couple with the 585 00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:27.559 community, in the community of faith is also important our good yes and so 586 00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:31.559 important that we have put it. I do not think that all couples, 587 00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:38.400 all of them who say no, also need support and also to feel part 588 00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:52.079 of others who are in the same process as we in the Community. We 589 00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:57.239 find this, other couples, other marriages, other families from which I can 590 00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:04.639 learn, from which I can even ask the Council and the Community. It 591 00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.159 ' s also where one of the roads is, not the only one, 592 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:16.519 where I get it, too. There we are all exposed together in a 593 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:23.320 recognition of God that he created us and it is something that we also do 594 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:30.960 together as marriage, going to the Church or to the Community and where we 595 00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:37.199 can, in some way, express our needs also before God and others. 596 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:43.519 We can be of help to other marriages, with our testimony, with our 597 00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:50.760 example, with our way of life, and we also encourage them in this 598 00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:52.800 that now I remember well the case of study, but it seems to me 599 00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:58.159 that it is a couple that is a little isolated and one of the themes 600 00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:01.639 that we present to them is that they are also part of the Community and 601 00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:07.079 we also launch the idea of groups of marriages that they find themselves, not 602 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.480 because people lack friendship and lack good friendships, those groups of marriages that sometimes 603 00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:14.719 form in comedies just for example. Now it is only an example giving home 604 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:22.119 to take this book and read it among several marriages totally and comment because, 605 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:30.239 in fact, the questions of the maris Position syste matrimony position exist, because 606 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:34.800 it is intended for this can be individual level or can be applied calmly in 607 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.199 a group profile more or less if the one who coordinates the group has a 608 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:40.840 minimum of experience and but rather contact us that we will tell you how truth. 609 00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.239 But that can be applied to you like this, is serir, the 610 00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:47.320 idea that you don' t just live that you a marriage. You are 611 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.920 not alone on an island that you are Robins are Crusoe, that you are 612 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:53.400 alone there, on an island that is called society, but quite the opposite. 613 00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:59.000 Work with others and live with others. This book can, if you 614 00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:01.599 can, forgive me. This book can be used as you say, but 615 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:07.360 very pertinently in groups. By chapters he said da has a subject to work 616 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:12.760 it in perfect groups, that is, that we encourage our listeners that if 617 00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:16.559 they are going to achieve it either in their life groups or in their local 618 00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:20.800 churches, they can propose it. Yes it is eska yes. I wasn 619 00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:25.519 ' t going to mention just in this chapter where Edward speaks of here the 620 00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:32.280 epistilation of this marriage that had a common project, as marriage, apart from 621 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:37.320 the purpose of personal life of each one, a common project and a spirit 622 00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:43.760 of tremendous service to the Community and we see how God uses them, his 623 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:47.440 gifts to bless so many people things, to use his house, his house 624 00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:57.679 and it is four continents when we see them where vanbren open is always an 625 00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.800 example for all trini In addition, they have the paradigm that we can see 626 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:07.480 in many things here the and Priscilla is also the role of women in life, 627 00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:12.880 not that of men and women are among equals in the dynamics of life. 628 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:16.480 So, I' ll bet you' ll see that that' s 629 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:19.519 coming to an end. Or not, no no no? Don' t 630 00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:21.920 you? Don' t you? Not true of us. No this no, 631 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.679 no, no I had not sent it my that I am saying at 632 00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:29.800 that time, at that time book It was that time because when we speak 633 00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:31.079 of here the pristion, that is to say who is one and who is 634 00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:34.920 another. Almost, of course, they' re both going to one. 635 00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:39.000 Not that I have a very bad joke Julio, well, I point out 636 00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:45.760 to me here and I point to Seska here the prisoner, the pool is 637 00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:51.159 oval, but visually it looks better here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 638 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:52.719 yeah, yeah, hey, no, but it' s important. Words 639 00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:57.920 are not casual. In the new Testament and more at the time when it 640 00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:04.480 was written, giving preference, clear in Roman culture, there was another disposition 641 00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:08.480 also in the Greek Roman culture at the time, but in what is the 642 00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:15.480 Christian atmosphere and the religious atmosphere, this was almost marginalized. Not the woman 643 00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:21.039 with the lead. The woman, then, is not casual, it is 644 00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:22.639 not random that to the Tuntun who writes it Paul. Paul knows what he 645 00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:27.880 writes again and again Here he had it, that is, it means when 646 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:32.360 in the family relationship or Conyugal the roles of each one are affected, of 647 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:37.719 course, but that perhaps, the woman has a natural role in some aspects 648 00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:43.000 that the man does not have in communication or in something and that then one 649 00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:46.320 does not feel minus, valued or complexed, that is, well the woman 650 00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:53.239 seems to mean this, it is important to also discover this. Yeah. 651 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:57.320 Besides, in the case, yes, I can do a quick digression. 652 00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.639 In the case of the two of them, it can be seen that here 653 01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:06.119 it was more Jewish. When there is an emperor who applauded them, who 654 01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:10.360 expels the Jews, expels them. Aquila was Jewish, but it seems that 655 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:15.719 Priscilla came from a well- Roman house because of the fact that it was 656 01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:19.480 a large house and it is seen that she was the owner, that see, 657 01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:23.440 then she was a highly prepared and high society woman. Then here we 658 01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:30.000 can begin to elaborate. A lot of this researched and it seems that this 659 01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:35.320 one goes around the topics and the important thing is that each one carried the 660 01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:38.960 strong part of each one that was perfectly complemented and together they were a bomb. 661 01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:42.599 Yes, ma' am, yes, the truth is, yes, 662 01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:45.960 well, we' re already moving towards the end, together, to the 663 01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:50.039 end. This is a self- assertion. Not cohabitation for years, not 664 01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:57.719 clauding, not giving up and adjusting pieces in the puzzle is spoken of the 665 01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:01.679 indispensable tenderness always until the end as a recurring experience, the empty nest, 666 01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:05.920 etcetera, etcetera. And then the example of hugging and Sara that did become 667 01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:09.320 old, not together. And besides, waiting for great, great things of 668 01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:15.840 God. No. I think I' m leaving here. I think we 669 01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:21.320 ' re all four of us, because we' ve been married for a 670 01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:23.480 few years now. I don' t know if it' s forty- 671 01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:27.360 thirty- one years, forty- seven, forty- seven. We and 672 01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:30.400 we project here, say, together, it continues to grow together, to 673 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.719 where, to the end. Not as there is a song of the divo 674 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:39.559 that we love about this musical group that also sings these patterns, that one 675 01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:45.320 will die by the covid the one that was part of the Spanish one, 676 01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:50.599 precisely of them by death. But there' s a song that says to 677 01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:53.760 my end. Says I promise you love, until my end, I mean, 678 01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:57.920 not until mine? Since I die and I don' t, he 679 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.400 can' t promise you anymore, no, but even mine can? It 680 01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:06.400 ' s a beautiful song to hear as a marriage. And well, there 681 01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:08.880 it is until the end, until the end, and of course there will 682 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.519 be my faces. Yeah, yeah, and then we get case yeah. 683 01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:19.039 I' m saying that the case we' re presenting is curious, because 684 01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:28.719 it' s a case of an older marriage that we don' t know 685 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:31.880 if they' re going to meet or not, but they pose, they 686 01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:35.519 ' ve grown older, the kids have gone home and now it says good, 687 01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:35.519 and now what we do and how we' re going to stand. 688 01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:42.039 But each has different interests. We have respected each other more or less dearly 689 01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:45.519 so far, but why we do not know different paths and without being great 690 01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:51.760 things, without making great external mistakes. The big mistake is that they don 691 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:53.880 ' t want to make it to the end together. So it' s 692 01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:59.320 a curious approach, with no happy ending or either because we don' t 693 01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:02.920 know how. As the story has ended, but there it is reflected that 694 01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:07.199 it is a situation that occurs a lot in people of a similar age to 695 01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:12.840 ours. Yes, well, yes, we do give guidance. And the 696 01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:15.840 last chapter, and it' s another good thing, the last chapter is 697 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:21.440 very endearing. Together in our memories, Seska' s parents, Victor' 698 01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:24.559 s parents, Edward' s parents and Esther' s parents, and each 699 01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:30.320 of us knew practically everyone except Edward' s and Esther' s, of 700 01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:37.119 course, as well as yours. And the truth is that you portray him 701 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:44.679 there and let him know that you would be good to see. I think 702 01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:49.440 it' s a book It' s like our last memories. Not the 703 01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.400 book, the book as our last memories. So to speak. And the 704 01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:58.159 last chapter is a way that we say the four, honor our parents in 705 01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:04.000 some way and explain, because the testimony, the story or something that stood 706 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:11.679 out in his life and that splashed us so much, because we wanted to 707 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:17.519 put it on a role and make it public so that God also used it, 708 01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:24.559 because there are four stories, that of our parents wou very powerful, 709 01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:27.480 very powerful. All the stories are powerful and I' ve been careful sometimes 710 01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:32.559 when you put them on a paper you realize how intense this life has been. 711 01:04:32.679 --> 01:04:39.679 No, but in our case we are very happy to have put this 712 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:46.320 chapter at the end and honor our parents is called the beautiful thing that we 713 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:50.880 all have memories and we must be together in our memories also share them. 714 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:58.320 But here the subject, if you' ve read it and if we tell 715 01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:00.239 people, it' s a whole different chapter. There' s no Maria 716 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:03.519 here, Exposition Syster. There' s nothing here about all this, there 717 01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:09.679 ' s no more, there' s no counseling. Here' s the 718 01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:14.360 idea of honoring. And besides, when we start, notice that first Seska 719 01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:18.559 ' s parents start, that' s the fidelity to sharing their faith and 720 01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:24.039 that' s what you know pretty well. They were my spiritual godfathers. 721 01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:27.239 Or yes, I did live it up close for that, that' s 722 01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:30.719 why. But the interesting thing is then come my parents who, without knowing 723 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.960 it, they were faithful in opening their home in the disciple, that is, 724 01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:40.320 among other people, the ones my parents welcomed were Seska' s parents, 725 01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:45.639 and there we met in our childhood for it, for them, not 726 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:48.519 for our parents. There' s a connection there. But then you go 727 01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.599 next to Eduardo, who is not, because he is linked to this one. 728 01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:57.559 But if you look if it' s the one with the ester there, 729 01:05:57.719 --> 01:05:59.119 you' ll see that we' re going out, too. I 730 01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:02.199 go out because and well, Esther' s father and my father were very, 731 01:06:02.400 --> 01:06:08.599 very, very friends and today I was going to spend the holidays right 732 01:06:08.599 --> 01:06:12.159 in the village, all the quality, where was the father of this pastor 733 01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:15.800 who was in the end you did not have the tru and there we established 734 01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:18.639 a childhood friendship. So here are some links that have now been translated into 735 01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:24.039 the future, after so many years of working together, it has been translated, 736 01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:27.800 therefore, into this book and above all into something very important, that 737 01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:31.880 we have not only grown in age in relation, but also this book has 738 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:36.400 helped us to grow more together as brothers and as friends. And I think 739 01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:42.039 this is one for us. The best result has been to deepen our friendship 740 01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:45.280 with Eduardo and with this one we do have a lot of how beautiful, 741 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:47.920 well, they are magnificent, the truth that yes. Besides, they' 742 01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:51.480 re on such a rich trajectory. He doesn' t hear what a quartet, 743 01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:58.559 which is that to enjoy it, yes danger is yes, no no, 744 01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:01.119 but you have brought us many things. Thank you so much with so 745 01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:09.599 much fervor and enthusiasm and that spark that conveys essence of life hears. I 746 01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:15.079 know that, in addition to the fact that this book is going to be 747 01:07:15.119 --> 01:07:17.119 presented in different forums shortly here in Barcelona, you have a meeting for grandparents. 748 01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:19.880 We' re talking about grandparents that I want to be there. I 749 01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:25.039 also don' t know if you can have copies of the book at that 750 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:31.360 meeting. Well, we would have to talk about it possibly clearly to see 751 01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:38.360 we don' t want to shadow the speaker who gives the talk at this 752 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:44.079 meeting, that that Felix Ortiz, who is going to talk about how if 753 01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:46.719 we know, you know the world in which your grandchildren live, and then 754 01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:53.039 he' s going to talk to us about this and he' s going 755 01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:53.639 to bring a book that talks about values and very good and we' re 756 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.320 going to promote it. Maybe we' ll leave this one there if someone 757 01:07:56.440 --> 01:08:01.079 wants and asks us, we' ll talk it over with the organizers if 758 01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.239 they let us have this book. There is one thing also in the book 759 01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:11.920 below, in the entry biography there is also an email. We' ve 760 01:08:12.039 --> 01:08:18.039 put only one is mine. If people want to contact us to give their 761 01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:24.520 opinion or ask for more books, or I don' t know more than 762 01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:30.439 to give, apart from the editorial, also give a moment' s contact 763 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:32.880 with someone so they can write or tell us some opinion that we would like. 764 01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:38.199 Those who have received it. I think even at the beginning of everything 765 01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:41.840 they' ve received or read, because they can give us your opinion. 766 01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:49.000 Your testimony. Yeah, well, it' s on the page, well 767 01:08:50.119 --> 01:09:00.800 after our presentation, what before the dedication is there, I think it' 768 01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:04.600 s created and if he' s not in the edition we' ve done 769 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:08.159 here so yours isn' t. But yes, yes, he will be. 770 01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:11.800 Yeah, perfect. If I remember, you remember me, you say 771 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:20.319 it in a loud voice. There I suddenly see interesting, wait. Victor, 772 01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:33.960 yes, Victor throws family to family. Point is Victor robbing to steal 773 01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:44.640 that family stuff. There are two family doses to families. Point It' 774 01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:46.720 s there is good, of course. Yeah. I also don' t 775 01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:48.920 know if you want us to give you a cell phone. Yeah, yeah, 776 01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:54.359 but I know it' s hard to aim, but I' m 777 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:58.239 going to repeat it several times. Is it six, six, seven, 778 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:08.800 six, zero, five, seven, four, four? Repeat, six, 779 01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:16.159 six, seven, six, zero, five, seven, four, 780 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:23.399 four? Books can' t order in bookstores. I guess they' re 781 01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:30.760 coming out now,' cause the book came out this week 22nd before yesterday 782 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.079 Tuesday. Then he' s gonna get to the bookstores. You can ask. 783 01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:35.199 If they don' t, if they don' t have it yet, 784 01:10:35.199 --> 01:10:36.680 they' ll ask for it. Cliel will put it, because in 785 01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:43.720 all its distributors, both here and in Hispanoamerica or in the United States, 786 01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:48.600 in the distributors that have at Hispanic level, and also those that want to 787 01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:55.319 ask us, because they can write to Víctor Arroba from family to family, 788 01:10:55.880 --> 01:11:00.720 it is or call us to mobile the six, seven, six, five, 789 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:03.119 seven, four, four. Great. Well, nothing, and that 790 01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:09.439 ' s all right Well, thank you very much for giving us all this 791 01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:11.359 time we' ve done a tour of the house. We' ve come 792 01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:14.600 from start to finish, but well, we' ve been tiptoeing. Uh, 793 01:11:15.319 --> 01:11:18.319 because we picked a little thing that went here, there' s a 794 01:11:18.319 --> 01:11:19.880 lot of loyalty. You don' t have to spoil. Of course, 795 01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:23.439 of course. Of course, you have to read it. This is not 796 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:27.520 a book that is enjoyed, uh honestly, and it' s more, 797 01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:30.960 I think it provides us with a whole guide, a road map to work 798 01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:34.399 it out, at group level, at the personal level. It' s 799 01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:36.720 a very rich book. This book doesn' t have to go unnoticed. 800 01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:43.399 Ladies and gentlemen, growing more together a guide for today' s couples in 801 01:11:43.479 --> 01:11:48.279 the feathers of Victor Seska Exter and Edward as well. Well, thank you 802 01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:53.199 so much for being with us You hear, thank you as always, thanks 803 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:56.600 to us. A very strong hug, my friends, for our support. 804 01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:08.880 Bye, that' s blessed, Chao, your place will do to me 805 01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:30.279 until God wants it. Today you' ll know story rides finally we' 806 01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:44.920 ve never been so sure of love. Like this and without condition my rando 807 01:12:45.439 --> 01:13:00.000 my love you. I swear to you to take away forever our friend, 808 01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:29.279 love in green, being Macifora kills When I keep Mangosta, tune in the 809 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:41.680 best that' s ever happened to me. I' ve seen you for 810 01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:49.279 the first time and it' s hand in hand. It' s what 811 01:13:50.000 --> 01:14:12.880 love always dreams to be bad always the background well the brother ours, how 812 01:14:13.560 --> 01:15:30.560 much I love you and enough you and also two name to or choose the 813 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:34.279 perfect song for the dance of your wedding day can cost a lot, but 814 01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:40.159 choosing it while you drive can cost you to step on the accelerator without realizing 815 01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:44.479 it, cost an accident, cost a call to the emergency service, cost 816 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:47.079 the loss of some friend and cost a feeling of guilt. This song can 817 01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:49.520 end up costing a lot and be the most expensive song in the world. 818 01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:55.960 A small decision can trigger consequences for everyone. Directorate- General for Traffic, 819 01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:00.680 Ministry of the Interior, Government of Spain. The discography indicates in effect that 820 01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:04.840 after birth, he may have problems of integration or difficulties in exercising professions of 821 01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:11.479 responsibility and even situations in which his physical integrity or life is endangered. But 822 01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:13.920 what' s it about, doctor, you' re gonna have a little 823 01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:16.159 girl. Discrimination against women in society results in abuse, injustice and ill- 824 01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:23.920 treatment. Don' t let him in. Act with Amnesty Org Amnesty International. 825 01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:29.640 Spain is Europe' s most vulnerable country to climate change. Climate change 826 01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:33.640 caused by you saving energy would save us these headlines. It uses energy- 827 01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:39.359 class, energy- efficient and electric bulbs. Change your habits so the weather 828 01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:47.960 doesn' t change. Ecologists in Action org Ministry of Environment, Travel on 829 01:16:48.279 --> 01:17:10.239 the train of life. Ladies and gentlemen, here we are in the colors 830 01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:19.439 of life, sometimes ochre colors also that speak of conflicts, but that have 831 01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:27.800 the resolution of conflicts, that have the answer. That' s how the 832 01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:32.680 doctor prescribes a medical indication and we don' t throw it away then. 833 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:39.000 Of course, the problem will perhaps continue to cronify or worsen, but here 834 01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:45.479 it resolves disagreements and family conflicts. This is something we also need to learn. 835 01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:50.239 It seems that we know everything, even those who have training in different 836 01:17:50.359 --> 01:17:56.880 fields we do not believe ourselves, perhaps unconsciously. I do not say that 837 01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:04.199 some consciously self- sufficient and no. We do not have to relearn and 838 01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:11.479 learn humility and also assertiveness and communication. One of the points of reference by 839 01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:15.560 which the temporal periods in the way of life of today' s society are 840 01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:21.159 measured are the different holiday periods, especially distributed throughout the year, winter holidays 841 01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:28.760 or spring holidays and also summer holidays. They are usually the three moments in 842 01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:34.520 which families intensify their coexistence, including contact with those cousins with whom we do 843 01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:39.319 not usually contact in the rest of the year, or those guys who live 844 01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:43.159 far away and with whom we do not relate more than at Christmas or Summer, 845 01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:46.920 for example. In any case there is an equation that is written in 846 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:53.560 our family life over and over again on repeated occasions, holidays, more extraordinary 847 01:18:53.560 --> 01:19:00.359 expenses, more family reunions, conflicts equal to conflicts in the worst cases of 848 01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:09.199 disagreements, disagreements and other uncomfortable situations, family conflicts, disagreements, disagreements and 849 01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:13.000 diverse situations. Perhaps because, in many cases, the most intense contact they 850 01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:18.840 produce on vacation, coupled with the widespread stress that this extraordinary consumption of family 851 01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:27.960 time produces in these periods act as triggers. It seems that since we do 852 01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:31.600 not see ourselves so intensely there, it seems that there comes a moment that 853 01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:36.640 comes out all the good and not so good and bring out conflicts and disagreements 854 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:41.640 that have been in lethargy throughout the year. We wondered if it might be 855 01:19:42.359 --> 01:19:46.119 interesting to resolve some family misalignments so we wouldn' t find them the following 856 01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:53.840 year. That is why today the issue is resolving disagreements and family conflicts with 857 01:19:53.960 --> 01:20:00.680 the clinical century Daniel gaso here in the colors of life. Good morning, 858 01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:04.720 dear, dear friend, dear, Daniel, Good morning, Julio and all 859 01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:08.720 those who listen to us as always a pleasure to get on the train. 860 01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:15.199 We talked about this issue by resolving disagreements and family conflicts. Today, perhaps 861 01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:19.079 first of all, we should ask ourselves, Daniel, what exactly is a 862 01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:23.279 disagreement, although we seem to know well, I don' t know if 863 01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:24.479 we know so well. Yeah, yeah, that' s right. It 864 01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:28.000 ' s true July. Sometimes we think we' re clear, but it 865 01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:34.600 ' s not really that clear definitely that the image we would like would be 866 01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:40.560 a distant or peaceful horizon, without experience, without conflict, in the middle 867 01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:45.720 of an idyllic landscape, etcetera. It is a very reassuring and very desirable 868 01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:49.840 vision. But what makes us grow and develop, become what we are and 869 01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:57.439 perhaps make ourselves even worthy of that holiday print are the problems and overcoming those 870 01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:01.199 problems, especially when those problems are in the family environment, there is no 871 01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:10.079 place for greater growth. There are yung that most perfect for growth and development 872 01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:15.239 both personal and group as well as family environment. It is also true that 873 01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:19.199 not all problems. Not all conflicts and disagreements have brought with them great achievements 874 01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:24.520 and growths, or everything has to be said, so it is then what 875 01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:30.439 transforms a problem or conflict into something harmful, into a good tool, perhaps 876 01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:33.840 that favors personal growth, because in the end that would be the exact desirable, 877 01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:41.680 because look. I believe that the difference is in the way we face 878 01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:45.800 it or overcome it, that is, that the key would be in how 879 01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:50.439 to define well what we understand by disagreements helps us not to fall into some 880 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:55.319 traps, for example, considering that conflict itself is a bad thing and that 881 01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:59.520 is why the best option is to avoid it. At all costs. There 882 01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:05.079 are people who live in constant tension all day long and all day long to 883 01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:12.840 avoid conflicts. And that' s our solution. Nor does that mean that 884 01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:15.760 we do not face the problem or the problems. So, let' s 885 01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:17.880 not fix them. And so, what we do is to continue to experience 886 01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:24.720 the consequences of that problem because we do not face it, because our goal, 887 01:22:25.560 --> 01:22:29.920 we think, is to avoid it. It also helps us to avoid 888 01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:32.880 thinking about having a clear definition, to avoid thinking that the person has something 889 01:22:33.039 --> 01:22:39.520 against us, because we are the conflict and not the specific situation or attitude. 890 01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:43.600 What it does, because it makes us live every aspect, to negotiate 891 01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:48.520 or every agreement, to agree as an attack on our person, as something 892 01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:53.640 personal and not as an option of change to improve the situation, which is 893 01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:57.920 really what a conflict must be. Therefore, it would be, because it 894 01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:04.560 would be the situation of discordance or disagreement that exists between the tendencies, thoughts, 895 01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:11.640 ideas, etc, interest or interests of someone and the impositions or external 896 01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:15.079 impositions. That' s what would be in conflict. Sure, well, 897 01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:18.479 well, it' s a very clear definition. Conflicts are bad or family 898 01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:27.239 problems are unwanted, surely not, but bad. Or they contain something, 899 01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:33.039 something positive in the background, because, as the famous song says, depends 900 01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:39.359 on whether we are willing to work and manage them or not. It' 901 01:23:39.439 --> 01:23:42.840 s a conflict. It' s bad if we' re willing to just 902 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.279 run away from him. That' s sure to be bad. That' 903 01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:47.960 s not good, it' s not positive, because they don' t 904 01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:53.119 generate growth or anything. It only generates flight and escape the crisis, conflict 905 01:23:53.199 --> 01:23:58.319 or problem has the name that it presents itself as a place of growth and 906 01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:02.800 personal and group advancement, part of a perfect, fantastic opportunity to learn or, 907 01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:11.159 to face and manage future problems also in other groups, making us more 908 01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:15.600 autonomous and assertive. That is what is really a conflict and therefore that is 909 01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:18.079 not a bad thing, it is a good thing. In that sense, 910 01:24:18.960 --> 01:24:24.720 they become bad when, therefore, when conflicts are avoided or badly solved, 911 01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:29.960 in reality, our culture educates us. It' s funny, Julio, 912 01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:34.560 because he' s a partner He was thinking that our culture educates us to 913 01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:38.960 manage happiness or well- being, but not to manage adversity and disappointment. 914 01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:45.159 It' s funny, but we are a culture that is used and educated 915 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:53.439 to manage happiness and comfort, so we grow by developing very little tolerance to 916 01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:57.680 disappointment and conflict in relationships, especially, in other words, we generally have 917 01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:04.840 or have very thin skin. We don' t realize that, but since 918 01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:12.439 we' re not used to not having let' s say it like that, 919 01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:15.600 we obsess focusing on what we don' t have and disfocusing on how 920 01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:18.239 much we do have. And we' re not talking about material things. 921 01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:23.560 I also refer to the emotional and relational fields. For example, I don 922 01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:26.479 ' t have enough admiration, I don' t have enough success. I 923 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:29.800 don' t think I' m feeling well. Don' t you think 924 01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:32.000 enough about me et cetera, et cetera? Many times if we focus on 925 01:25:32.199 --> 01:25:38.000 what I don' t have, many times the typical family conflicts remain in 926 01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:44.840 time because we strive to maintain a sort of internal warehouse where we keep all 927 01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:46.880 the things that others have done wrong with us. It is that masters to 928 01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:50.920 do we bring it up to date in maintenance is perfectly up to date. 929 01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:56.439 However, we forget to keep abreast of all the things that others do for 930 01:25:56.520 --> 01:26:01.119 us and do not even think about the record of all the things that we 931 01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:09.119 ourselves do wrong with others. That would probably help us put things a little 932 01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:14.279 bit more into perspective and what the situation is. Perhaps we couldn' t 933 01:26:14.359 --> 01:26:17.640 possibly have the conflict so serious or so difficult or so complicated. Or we 934 01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:23.000 wouldn' t see that what others have done to us or we are so 935 01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:27.520 serious, because we would see that we have done wrong to others in many 936 01:26:28.479 --> 01:26:30.119 things, and at the same time, those others who have done us wrong 937 01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:33.079 are many of the caphons have also done good things to us. Okay, 938 01:26:33.520 --> 01:26:41.600 yeah, yeah, yeah, geez, how many, how many questions we 939 01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:46.039 unravel and how many aspects of a question of disagreements and conflicts to find guidelines. 940 01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:51.119 First do an analysis, as Daniel Gasso, the psychologist, is doing 941 01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:58.000 about the nature of conflicts, and then we' ll look at some guidelines. 942 01:26:58.119 --> 01:27:00.439 Let us also speak first of the conflicts, that is, Daniel, 943 01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:05.039 those situations that involve me and another all are, in essence, very similar 944 01:27:05.159 --> 01:27:11.079 really so that all are solved more or less the same way or very similar, 945 01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:16.119 because the truth is that, although they are very similar in many things, 946 01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:21.640 all the conflict between them people have very, very, very similar components 947 01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:28.439 in many aspects. But there is no standard conflict or list of conflicts. 948 01:27:29.479 --> 01:27:34.600 But it is true that there are alarms and behaviors that can be potentially conflicting. 949 01:27:34.840 --> 01:27:43.199 For example, inflexibility. That produces safe conflict, insubmission by system or 950 01:27:43.800 --> 01:27:46.680 not as the first answer for everything. Okay, I don' t want 951 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:50.239 to, I don' t want to, I don' t like anything. 952 01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:56.479 It is worth the absolute not without reason, that is, no, 953 01:27:56.800 --> 01:28:01.720 but without reason, because isolation that is another of the things that favors conflict, 954 01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:08.199 the overprotection attention there, especially the parents, the overprotection or the paternalistic 955 01:28:08.720 --> 01:28:15.000 attitudes and control here in the first area, in the first aspect, the 956 01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:20.800 overprotection of the children. We have already said this many times when I overprotect 957 01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:25.319 my son, although I do so with all my heart to prevent him from 958 01:28:25.399 --> 01:28:29.880 actually suffering the message he receives is te. I consider it so inept that 959 01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:31.279 I have to do it for you, because I know you will do it 960 01:28:31.279 --> 01:28:35.399 wrong. Let us think a lot about that, above all and of course, 961 01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:40.880 that creates conflict situations. Then, paternalistic attitudes, which can be with 962 01:28:41.920 --> 01:28:49.720 groups with employees, among senior employees, among family and acquaintance groups and friends, 963 01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:55.760 etcetera. Taking a paternalistic attitude is neither the solution nor the attitude of 964 01:28:55.760 --> 01:29:00.479 that control, especially in the area of the family and specifically in marriage, 965 01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:06.039 nor do things favor. Then they have more selflessness or indifference. That' 966 01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:11.560 s the opposite side. If control is on one side, disinterest or indifference 967 01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:18.920 is on the other. Both sides are drawbacks and generate conflicts and lack of 968 01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:23.600 response. Of course, it is, that is, to know the difference 969 01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:29.239 between interpersonal thermoflict and what internal conflict is very important. It is very common 970 01:29:29.359 --> 01:29:34.199 to find problems of self- esteem, depression and social adaptation, academic problems, 971 01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:39.720 etc, for example, in adolescent children, in young people who occur 972 01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:45.000 after a avoided or poorly solved family conflict. That also happens sometimes we think 973 01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:50.760 or we focus with good is that our son, our daughter, has a 974 01:29:51.319 --> 01:29:55.600 bad result. It is very close to what could be defined as school failure. 975 01:29:56.039 --> 01:29:58.800 He' s suspended a lot of GOP subjects, etcetera. And we 976 01:29:58.920 --> 01:30:02.840 often don' t want to focus on solving that. But perhaps the trigger 977 01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:08.920 of that has nothing to do with anything in the school or academic arena. 978 01:30:09.359 --> 01:30:12.680 Sometimes it is a conflict at the family level, at the rational level, 979 01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:15.640 that is poorly closed, that has not been closed well and that brings such 980 01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:20.600 repercussions. All of this implies that when a conflict is not properly treated, 981 01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:27.760 this is what makes it internalized. I would even say that even in many 982 01:30:27.880 --> 01:30:32.520 cases, hiding inside the person and going out when there is like a crash, 983 01:30:32.800 --> 01:30:38.319 when there is another situation that triggers it. Well, we' re 984 01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:41.800 moving on. But what happens to adults exactly the same thing happens, because 985 01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:48.319 it really does, especially in family conflicts. In the adult field. It 986 01:30:48.439 --> 01:30:54.920 is important to keep in mind that if an emotional reaction to a conflict that 987 01:30:55.039 --> 01:30:59.800 seems to always seem out of place or exaggerated or disorbited. In many cases, 988 01:31:00.239 --> 01:31:03.920 what it is doing is to show that there is a misunderstanding of the 989 01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:11.119 problem or the accumulated discomfort of previous conflicts that have not been resolved. I 990 01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:15.399 mean, often the problem is that we lack information. It' s really 991 01:31:15.399 --> 01:31:18.399 not a lack of information about something. In this case we must be patient 992 01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:24.920 and not be carried away by the reaction of the other, as it has 993 01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:30.039 little to do with the conflict situation itself. How emotionally emotionally? More economical 994 01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:36.359 is to deal with and talk many times about the emotional economy, the most 995 01:31:36.399 --> 01:31:42.439 economic, emotionally, is to try to help the other to truly express what 996 01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:46.439 is hurting him of the situation and what he thinks we are asking, demanding 997 01:31:46.520 --> 01:31:53.720 or demanding, rather than entering directly into the Tennis Party. But for you, 998 01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:56.960 but note, for me, the best thing we can do is stop 999 01:31:57.159 --> 01:31:58.760 for a moment, I think, and lose the person. Please explain to 1000 01:32:00.039 --> 01:32:04.039 me what something can really do so that you can explain to me what you 1001 01:32:04.039 --> 01:32:06.520 are understanding, what I ask of you, what I demand of you, 1002 01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:11.840 what I demand of you, etcetera, etcetera. And let' s talk 1003 01:32:11.960 --> 01:32:15.600 about that explains what' s going on in here. Well, how could 1004 01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:23.359 we also prevent such conflicts and within the family. Daniel, because the first 1005 01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:27.800 thing we should forget in July is that you have the objective of avoiding the 1006 01:32:27.920 --> 01:32:30.119 presence of conflicts in the family. As we said at the beginning, it 1007 01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:35.760 is impossible and I would dare say that it would almost be insane. A 1008 01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:41.359 family with no conflict is a scenario where there are no disagreements or disagreements, 1009 01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:46.079 and that can only mean two things. Basically or there is no communication, 1010 01:32:46.760 --> 01:32:53.239 on the one hand, and we live just by sharing space, either there 1011 01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:58.319 is someone who imposes his vision and everyone else is banned and devastated and neither 1012 01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:03.520 of the assumptions will be an emotional or relationally healthy scenario. I mean, 1013 01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:09.079 it can be these two things. Either, on the one hand, communication 1014 01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:14.039 is null and void we simply share space, or there is someone who dictates 1015 01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:16.279 what is done here, what I say and nothing else, without any other 1016 01:33:16.279 --> 01:33:20.079 kind of nuance And obviously, there are no conflicts, because there is no 1017 01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:27.800 one who dares to raise his voice and decide disagree. Then we need to 1018 01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:31.560 strive to be consistent with our way of acting and speaking. We cannot wait 1019 01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:35.800 for the other to be consistent to be us. Then, it is best 1020 01:33:35.960 --> 01:33:41.920 to have the initiative of being coherent in things. We must move forward with 1021 01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:46.800 that initiative. Being patient helps tolerance and respect for others. Let' s 1022 01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:50.760 remember the best way to demand respect is by giving the first thing. It 1023 01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:57.520 is so clear and this is plagued in the same scriptures. Worthy of making 1024 01:33:57.640 --> 01:34:01.880 you be plagued with that one and behaving to others. Like you would want 1025 01:34:01.960 --> 01:34:06.399 the others to do with you. That' s not a religious principle, 1026 01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:11.760 it' s a principle of life. It really is a principle of life 1027 01:34:11.800 --> 01:34:15.199 to listen with a attention seeking not to misunderstand. We do that many times, 1028 01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:19.880 not to interpret, but to interpret. But whenever we interpret without asking 1029 01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:27.680 for sufficient clarification or having enough information, we end up misinterpreting and, as 1030 01:34:27.680 --> 01:34:31.800 we always say, trying to put them in each other' s shoes no 1031 01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:35.920 matter how loaded we seem to be. But even if you think you' 1032 01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:40.600 re right, try to put yourself in each other' s shoes, because 1033 01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:45.680 you may find that he also has a lot of other important things, to 1034 01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:51.520 maintain clear values and rules that do not lead to confusion and are respected by 1035 01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:56.479 all of us, the first at home, we maintain values, in principles 1036 01:34:57.279 --> 01:35:00.239 and rules that we must all respect and as they are clear, because there 1037 01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:05.479 is no doubt to learn to take the initiative in problems, for example, 1038 01:35:06.119 --> 01:35:11.720 trying to solve them and provide solutions, that is, as the famous phrase 1039 01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:13.039 says, either you are part of the solution or you are part of the 1040 01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:16.960 problem. Let us remember that disagreements and conflicts or we are reactive, that 1041 01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:20.159 we have talked about on other occasions. Or we' re very reactive. 1042 01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:24.800 Or we' re proactive, I mean, we' re looking. Let 1043 01:35:24.880 --> 01:35:28.399 us not be guided by what others have done to us or have told us, 1044 01:35:28.680 --> 01:35:34.239 but we take the initiative to act in search of solutions. And that 1045 01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:42.039 simply depends on a decision that we make or decide to react, or say 1046 01:35:43.159 --> 01:35:46.239 or act then show our affection for others with our attitude. That' s 1047 01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:53.159 important. There' s no distance a good hug can' t cover. 1048 01:35:53.920 --> 01:35:58.600 That' s the truth, and more in the family environment, to LaBar 1049 01:35:58.680 --> 01:36:01.239 when some family member looked, so that' s not just for fathers or 1050 01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:11.359 mothers. We have to learn to show admiration to people and say it many 1051 01:36:11.439 --> 01:36:15.520 times and we always tend to say what they' re doing wrong, and 1052 01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:18.920 we do there' s a fasis in what they' re doing wrong, 1053 01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:24.279 but because at least in the same proportion we don' t tell them what 1054 01:36:24.319 --> 01:36:28.520 they' re doing right and we congratulate ourselves or congratulate them on that then 1055 01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:30.800 get used to and ask forgiveness for mistakes. Another important thing in maintaining family 1056 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:36.960 conversations and time of cohabitation in a systematic way, that is to say to 1057 01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:41.239 keep it always present. I do not mean that we have to do that 1058 01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:45.600 every day from eight to eight or forty- five, but that we systematically 1059 01:36:45.720 --> 01:36:50.640 keep in mind that in our minds we need to have or not to have 1060 01:36:50.720 --> 01:36:57.000 closed the day without having had a small time of communication, creating situations of 1061 01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:00.960 family fun. It is also important to take care of the environment and at 1062 01:37:01.039 --> 01:37:06.760 the individual level and to avoid charging us and giving the store of bad records 1063 01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:12.319 that then explode when it is teleno to overflow and there is an uncontrolled explosion 1064 01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:16.000 or emotional ventilation, that is to say, to keep the accounts short, 1065 01:37:16.359 --> 01:37:19.680 not to wait to give our warehouse and when it is ready to be crowded, 1066 01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:25.680 at the point of exposure, then to open the door and to leave 1067 01:37:25.760 --> 01:37:30.039 all the horse riding above, well, and how many things to prevent conflicts 1068 01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:36.079 in the family area, how many practical guidelines our friend Daniel is giving us 1069 01:37:36.119 --> 01:37:43.720 this morning and how we could avoid reaching also an emotional explosion situation, also 1070 01:37:43.880 --> 01:37:49.039 that could happen, because yes, it is true that this happens many times, 1071 01:37:49.479 --> 01:37:49.720 precisely because we said before, because we kept in the warehouse for a 1072 01:37:49.720 --> 01:37:55.520 long time. We try to avoid conflicts, because we misunderstand what a conflict 1073 01:37:55.600 --> 01:38:00.479 is, we misinterpret the situation, we try to avoid it until we believe 1074 01:38:00.560 --> 01:38:02.520 that we are already bursting, because we can no longer. First of all, 1075 01:38:02.600 --> 01:38:09.479 we should make a small effort to reflect on a question that may seem 1076 01:38:09.520 --> 01:38:14.359 obvious to many of Julio' s listeners to ask them what is really going 1077 01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:19.800 on. Many times, the problem is not that we are upset because someone 1078 01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:25.880 forgot, maybe bring the drink to the family scene or anything else like that 1079 01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:30.399 or someone forgets to bring the desserts or whatever they forgot, put them in 1080 01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:34.239 the fridge or whatever, but because it is the person who almost always forgets 1081 01:38:34.359 --> 01:38:40.239 and already did it to us last year. That' s what generates the 1082 01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:45.079 problem, the discomfort in us. We' re not really if that happens. 1083 01:38:45.119 --> 01:38:48.720 We are not really reacting to something that happened to what happened now, 1084 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:56.920 but something that happened a year ago and that we kept in our warehouse of 1085 01:38:56.960 --> 01:39:00.319 unresolved conflicts and grievances. But the real problem with what' s happened is 1086 01:39:00.399 --> 01:39:05.840 that we don' t have enough booze for everyone. Or that desserts aren 1087 01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:10.680 ' t in the fridge and that' s, in fact, what we 1088 01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:17.479 should focus on now the present, without adding to last year' s outstanding 1089 01:39:18.119 --> 01:39:23.560 resentment, because that should have been closed a year ago. One of the 1090 01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:30.039 things that can help us first to think about not maintaining that activity, because 1091 01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:35.039 that attitude stigmatizes people, frames us, typifies us and that is not interesting. 1092 01:39:36.159 --> 01:39:41.199 But one of the things that can help us is also to work individually 1093 01:39:41.319 --> 01:39:46.000 to develop the habit of acting preventively. What I mean, because when I 1094 01:39:46.359 --> 01:39:51.359 feel a little charged and my call of grievances, it starts to get my 1095 01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:56.800 attention, that is, I start getting more irritable normal for anything, etcetera, 1096 01:39:57.039 --> 01:40:00.079 etcetera. It may be a list of the things my family has done 1097 01:40:00.159 --> 01:40:05.760 for me in recent times. It is up to each the period to be 1098 01:40:05.840 --> 01:40:09.479 taken into account. Of course, that' s up to everyone, but 1099 01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:13.119 we all see that I know the last year, for example, and also 1100 01:40:13.239 --> 01:40:16.199 an honest list. Of course, being honest about all the things I' 1101 01:40:16.359 --> 01:40:24.319 ve done wrong with those people. Once with both lists present us and remember 1102 01:40:24.439 --> 01:40:29.279 that the presence to see the two lists, that is, of the things 1103 01:40:29.359 --> 01:40:32.119 that they have done well for me and the things that I have done wrong 1104 01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:40.039 for them, proves that we are imperfect people, all that we love each 1105 01:40:40.680 --> 01:40:46.039 other imperfectly, and that helps us to be a little more tolerant of the 1106 01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:50.239 cases, the things that we have done wrong with us. And most likely, 1107 01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:56.199 in view of those two lists, if we are already crafting to abuse 1108 01:40:56.600 --> 01:41:00.319 the Christ, it would be to draw up a third list of things that 1109 01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:04.880 others have done wrong with us, it will end up looking smaller or less 1110 01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:10.199 serious. I mean, let' s end up with the list of grievances. 1111 01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:13.399 Let' s do it in the end. First let us keep two 1112 01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:17.560 other things in mind, and surely when we look at the third list we 1113 01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:18.760 will say clearly, because the truth is that it is not so important. 1114 01:41:20.279 --> 01:41:29.159 This reflection is also interesting, but prejudiced attitudes and judgments of intent are other 1115 01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:34.640 factors that also trigger family problems. No Daniel, for in fact, so 1116 01:41:34.760 --> 01:41:42.479 it is many times we judge the intentions of others even without having enough information 1117 01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:46.640 about what has happened in their inner world. If we judge the other person 1118 01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:50.760 ' s intentions and rely on it in that judgment that we have made, 1119 01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:57.079 without further information to plan the relationship with the other, we run the risk 1120 01:41:57.199 --> 01:42:02.439 of answering and reacting to the intentions that we believe the other has and we 1121 01:42:02.520 --> 01:42:08.880 lose sight of our true objectives and we are certain to be wrong in addition, 1122 01:42:09.239 --> 01:42:12.840 because none of us has the ability to be within the other person' 1123 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:15.720 s mind and heart. In this way we can bequeath to being aggressive or 1124 01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:19.520 passive, that is, if they have done something that hurt us and we 1125 01:42:19.680 --> 01:42:24.800 think they have done it with good intentions, we can be tempted to let 1126 01:42:24.880 --> 01:42:27.279 it go, that is, excused, say well, well, we are 1127 01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:30.039 not going to have to talk about it and not say anything. But instead, 1128 01:42:30.359 --> 01:42:34.039 we feel hurt and upset. And that' s where it goes to 1129 01:42:34.079 --> 01:42:38.319 the grievance store. Why, because we don' t treat him. But 1130 01:42:38.479 --> 01:42:42.000 if we judge, for example, that they have done it with bad intent, 1131 01:42:42.479 --> 01:42:48.439 we will attack their evil in quotation marks and not the facts, and 1132 01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:54.399 then how we will be rather aggressive hostile. Wanting the other to recognize how 1133 01:42:54.520 --> 01:43:00.079 wrong he is and submit completely to my wishes can be an emotional goal to 1134 01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:05.800 compensate for the humiliation we have felt. But that' s really the purpose. 1135 01:43:06.319 --> 01:43:10.199 That' s what we have to do. It makes sense that there 1136 01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:14.399 ' s a winner and a loser. This solves the conflict, because the 1137 01:43:14.479 --> 01:43:17.199 loser is not going to stay or he' s going to confirm himself to 1138 01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:23.000 be the loser, he' s going to save his loss and come out 1139 01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:25.279 another time. That is, the solution is not that there is an entrepreneurial 1140 01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:27.920 winner. I won because I' m right. You' ve lost because 1141 01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:31.439 you don' t have it good, because maybe on that occasion you do, 1142 01:43:32.880 --> 01:43:33.760 but it' s the keeper and that doesn' t solve anything. 1143 01:43:34.319 --> 01:43:41.560 One thing we can do to keep our family relationships healthy, to consider how 1144 01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:46.039 much we know our relatives and to gather information about them, their illusions, 1145 01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:48.920 their desertions, their tastes, their dreams, their struggles, etcetera, etcetera. 1146 01:43:50.159 --> 01:43:54.760 A patient Julio, if I may be, I' ll comment on 1147 01:43:54.880 --> 01:43:58.319 a patient I asked permission to. Of course, he previously prepared a questionnaire 1148 01:43:58.439 --> 01:44:02.560 that he did in these days of family meetings and meetings to do to others. 1149 01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:09.840 And I challenged him to focus on others because this felt hurt, something 1150 01:44:09.880 --> 01:44:14.239 wronged, and I threw away the challenge of focusing on others and focusing on 1151 01:44:14.359 --> 01:44:18.159 knowing them rather than focusing on what they have done wrong there. To you 1152 01:44:19.399 --> 01:44:24.640 and if you allow me to share some of those questions, not all because 1153 01:44:24.720 --> 01:44:28.920 I was smart that he did, it was very long and really very interesting, 1154 01:44:29.479 --> 01:44:35.399 but some because in the end those encounters became something really fun and it 1155 01:44:35.920 --> 01:44:42.119 was kind of a family game and it was a very rewarding experience for everyone. 1156 01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:46.119 For example, one of the questions was what is your favorite food and 1157 01:44:46.239 --> 01:44:51.039 what is the least you like that you would never eat in life. Second 1158 01:44:51.159 --> 01:44:55.800 thing, you didn' t do what you would have liked to do. 1159 01:44:56.279 --> 01:45:00.840 Another thing, what would have been the mistake you' ve made, that 1160 01:45:00.920 --> 01:45:06.359 made you redder is worth it. I' m going to be perhaps paused 1161 01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:12.279 to take note of those who want a little bit to apply those questions or 1162 01:45:12.279 --> 01:45:15.279 variations of those. Another thing, what you would like to devote more time 1163 01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:20.600 to, what a hobby you would have liked to have and that, in 1164 01:45:20.600 --> 01:45:25.199 the end you haven' t had. How do you look from here ten 1165 01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:31.880 years, how would you like to see what has been the best or the 1166 01:45:31.960 --> 01:45:39.600 best times of your life, what values more of a few people, what 1167 01:45:40.760 --> 01:45:45.479 is your best virtue and your worst flaw, what superpower would you like to 1168 01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:49.279 have? I find this especially amusing. What super power would you like if 1169 01:45:49.399 --> 01:45:55.760 you were an animal, what animal would you be, What is the mood 1170 01:45:55.880 --> 01:46:00.760 you like least, the one you like the most, type of person would 1171 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:05.399 be afraid of. What' s the biggest crazy thing you' ve ever 1172 01:46:05.399 --> 01:46:12.039 done. What would be a good title for your biography, your autobiography. 1173 01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:18.439 What most people should think about you and it' s not true. I 1174 01:46:18.520 --> 01:46:23.000 mean things you think most people think about you, but you know it' 1175 01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:27.479 s not entirely true. How you would describe yourself with the phrase. I 1176 01:46:27.560 --> 01:46:29.840 ' m trying to describe you with a sentence. That' s a good 1177 01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:33.359 game. So I encourage those who listen to us to try to ask those 1178 01:46:33.439 --> 01:46:39.840 questions as if it were a family game and they will see that it is 1179 01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:45.239 really fun and uplifting. That' s good, how interesting I was asking 1180 01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:51.520 myself those same questions every time I was reading them and how you would describe 1181 01:46:51.520 --> 01:46:57.760 yourself with a good phrase, as a realistic dreamer. And that' s 1182 01:46:57.920 --> 01:47:01.079 a good definition, fantastic, description and besides, I totally believe it. 1183 01:47:01.920 --> 01:47:04.680 Yes, yes, yes and well And to measure here you are talking, 1184 01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:12.760 because it is a very interesting self test, very interesting to put the mirror 1185 01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:19.439 in front of us and perhaps to resituate ourselves in some things truth, these 1186 01:47:19.439 --> 01:47:25.399 yes, that is how it helps us now to situate ourselves and also to 1187 01:47:25.680 --> 01:47:31.920 know that others also feel, need, think, experience and that they are, 1188 01:47:32.119 --> 01:47:38.920 like us, imperfect and that we have learned to live with that imperfection, 1189 01:47:38.920 --> 01:47:40.000 even to celebrate it because so one. It doesn' t feel like 1190 01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:44.119 a weirdo, just like that. If we are sincere and honest, we 1191 01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:48.560 realize that discovering that we are surrounded by imperfect people like ourselves, who face 1192 01:47:48.640 --> 01:47:55.079 the same conflicts and problems. That will help us to fulfill a principle that 1193 01:47:55.079 --> 01:47:58.880 is also the gospels. To laugh with those who laugh and cry with those 1194 01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:01.600 who pray to him. That is how he is friend, ladies and gentlemen, 1195 01:48:02.119 --> 01:48:08.039 because we are already pleased to bid farewell to our good friend Daniel, 1196 01:48:08.600 --> 01:48:12.960 a very affectionate hug, equally a very strong hug of Julio until always, 1197 01:48:35.800 --> 01:49:12.600 friend, you even always travel on the train of life. I miss you 1198 01:49:12.720 --> 01:49:19.520 already, and you' re still home. I don' t know if 1199 01:49:19.640 --> 01:49:28.359 what happens to me happens to you. You tell me everything, even if 1200 01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:38.359 you' re quiet because a look says more than a word, I already 1201 01:49:38.359 --> 01:49:46.520 miss you, even if you' re so close, there' s still 1202 01:49:46.520 --> 01:49:55.960 the bed hot and scrambled. We said everything, we didn' t say 1203 01:49:56.199 --> 01:50:04.319 anything, we never argued, but we got angry. Take the sorrows you 1204 01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:15.840 ' ve kept from the past, take the joy you lived here by my 1205 01:50:15.119 --> 01:50:24.199 side, take away the pad of resignation that doesn' t make po, 1206 01:50:25.199 --> 01:50:31.880 take away the many, the excuses and the pretext And before crossing the door, 1207 01:50:33.880 --> 01:50:53.159 if you want it to go well, save me a space to leave 1208 01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:56.399 me too and I already miss you. It wasn' t a threat. 1209 01:50:57.920 --> 01:51:04.840 You didn' t miss dreams and we were far away. We told each 1210 01:51:06.319 --> 01:51:14.560 other everything and we said nothing, we never argued, but they don' 1211 01:51:14.560 --> 01:51:24.479 t look for rage. Take me the pains you kept from passing takes you 1212 01:51:24.640 --> 01:51:33.600 the alevia that you lived here to look at Take the letter of Renon and 1213 01:51:33.840 --> 01:51:44.399 that you have given us up, Take away the many fibre excuses of these 1214 01:51:44.680 --> 01:51:54.359 and before crossing the door, if you want it to go well, keep 1215 01:51:54.600 --> 01:52:06.279 me slowly to go also to leave it also every day, same from home, 1216 01:52:06.680 --> 01:52:13.000 from work to home, to the hospital, to the cemetery. More 1217 01:52:13.079 --> 01:52:15.439 than seventy percent of accidents at work are road accidents, to the hirio, 1218 01:52:15.640 --> 01:52:19.199 on returning from work and routine does not protect you from them. Your most 1219 01:52:19.319 --> 01:52:24.159 urgent job is to stay alive On your part, General Traffic Directorate, Ministry 1220 01:52:24.239 --> 01:52:28.159 of the Interior, Government of Spain, the project to study in the United 1221 01:52:28.199 --> 01:52:30.760 States and teach them how to play football are Emilio and Raúl and one of 1222 01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:34.840 them has schizophrenia, but their dreams, like those of anyone, have no 1223 01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:39.359 limits. Let' s not put them on us. Integration is always the 1224 01:52:39.439 --> 01:52:44.159 best response for the social inclusion of people with mental health problems. Ministry of 1225 01:52:44.279 --> 01:52:47.680 Health, Social Services for Equality, Government of Spain. Juan invests 180 euros 1226 01:52:47.760 --> 01:52:54.239 a month in suffering. Alberto invests 200 euros in extortion. Carlos invests 150 1227 01:52:54.319 --> 01:52:59.840 euros in kidnappings. Every time you pay you' re investing in extortion mafias 1228 01:53:00.399 --> 01:53:03.520 quitting, helping them out, don' t invest in suffering against trafficking in 1229 01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:08.520 women. A Government of Spain is aware of this. If you want to 1230 01:53:08.800 --> 01:53:14.439 visit our website, the www. The train of life, of life is 1231 01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:26.560 much or good, because we go there we go there I already have my 1232 01:53:26.720 --> 01:53:33.079 half, is waiting for my warning and Alfonso Guevara is yes. That' 1233 01:53:33.159 --> 01:53:36.359 s where we got him in the bud. Well, I' ll tell 1234 01:53:36.439 --> 01:53:42.359 you who Alfonso Guevara is. Alfonso Guevara has been in the pastoral ministry for 1235 01:53:42.439 --> 01:53:45.439 forty- one years. There is nah has served in the pastorate in California 1236 01:53:45.520 --> 01:53:50.119 and Miami and has now begun posturing a herd in Texas, Dallas. He 1237 01:53:50.239 --> 01:53:56.000 ' s a man who opens roads and well, he' s a very 1238 01:53:56.000 --> 01:53:59.319 experienced pastor. Also, a man with a shepherd’ s heart and has 1239 01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:03.000 written very well about this. He has worked in the Christian publishing world and 1240 01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:10.199 is the author of books that pastors can read with great interest. A great 1241 01:54:10.279 --> 01:54:15.640 book of truth that does win the prize because the book really deserves it for 1242 01:54:15.720 --> 01:54:21.840 its contributions to the pastoral ministry and the life of the pastor. How not 1243 01:54:23.399 --> 01:54:27.199 for everyone you know. I know that now there are many more pastors or 1244 01:54:27.319 --> 01:54:31.840 women of pastors or elders, of Christian communities who are listening to us already 1245 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:40.439 take note, do not take note. And the truth is that there is 1246 01:54:40.920 --> 01:54:45.720 all that, because I remind you, this is what Alfonso Guevara has written 1247 01:54:45.800 --> 01:54:53.000 in recent years. Alfonso has given conferences workshops and many, training thousands of 1248 01:54:53.119 --> 01:54:58.920 pastors and leaders in institutes, theological seminars and so on, in summits and 1249 01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:02.680 pastoral conferences. Today he is presenting us with a good book, a book 1250 01:55:02.760 --> 01:55:08.680 also very striking and with the style that characterizes him literary, that he writes 1251 01:55:08.680 --> 01:55:12.000 well. And you know when someone writes well, if they don' t 1252 01:55:12.560 --> 01:55:16.199 write very well, I omit, I don' t say anything, but 1253 01:55:16.199 --> 01:55:18.960 when they write well it' s worth it, because the narrative involves you. 1254 01:55:19.079 --> 01:55:24.640 Not then. Today we are presented with his recent book Jesus in a 1255 01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:29.079 whole proposal to give Lord Jesus the place that our lives deserve, and he 1256 01:55:29.239 --> 01:55:33.640 wants to highlight the centrality and supremacy of Christ in us. I believe it 1257 01:55:33.720 --> 01:55:39.359 is the Lordship of Christ, in short, that he wants to propose to 1258 01:55:39.359 --> 01:55:43.640 us. Alfonso, hey, thanks for the early morning I made you do. 1259 01:55:43.880 --> 01:55:49.359 Alfonso, well, I' m on a run now of getting up 1260 01:55:49.479 --> 01:55:56.880 early because on these trips I' m constantly making flights from here to South 1261 01:55:57.039 --> 01:56:00.079 America, for example, you have to get up now without days, as 1262 01:56:01.279 --> 01:56:06.760 I say, but well, a pleasure to be with you Julio and you 1263 01:56:06.840 --> 01:56:10.680 listen clearly yes, with great pleasure. Alfonso hears, well, well, 1264 01:56:12.640 --> 01:56:15.920 before we talk about this work, of this new publication so interesting, jesus 1265 01:56:16.920 --> 01:56:23.640 in everything let' s recapitulate a little. I have spoken of your pastoral 1266 01:56:23.800 --> 01:56:28.800 performance, your accumulated pastoral experience. You come from a pastoral family. True, 1267 01:56:29.279 --> 01:56:33.279 yes, I had the privilege, the enormous privilege of being born in 1268 01:56:34.720 --> 01:56:41.159 a Christian home. My parents, I am a native of Cuba, and 1269 01:56:41.239 --> 01:56:46.000 my parents in Cuba in the 1950s were students of a seminary there. Then 1270 01:56:46.039 --> 01:56:56.159 they were teachers, they founded a work near Havana and, as everyone should 1271 01:56:56.199 --> 01:57:01.000 know, the communist dictatorship in Cuba became fierce and good in the mid- 1272 01:57:01.239 --> 01:57:06.359 sixties, they ordered all the churches in Cuba to be closed, of all 1273 01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:14.920 the confessions and they banned meetings in houses also in public. So, in 1274 01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:19.159 the middle of all that, well, many pastors were imprisoned in what I 1275 01:57:19.239 --> 01:57:25.960 call the Cuban bullag. Other shepherds were shot for the sake of Christ. 1276 01:57:26.159 --> 01:57:33.039 That is nothing strange in Spain, since in Spain too in the 1950s there 1277 01:57:33.479 --> 01:57:42.319 was a lot of persecution and when we arrived in Spain there was still persecution 1278 01:57:42.439 --> 01:57:45.119 for the church. So I lived it in a certain way. No, 1279 01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:50.199 then that' s my background. My parents decided and felt like staying in 1280 01:57:50.760 --> 01:57:55.560 Spain or going to Spain as missionaries. There they founded work that is to 1281 01:57:55.640 --> 01:58:02.359 this day and then I came here to the United States. If your parents 1282 01:58:02.399 --> 01:58:11.359 were missionaries in Madrid, it is true that they founded a work together with 1283 01:58:11.439 --> 01:58:17.760 another American missionary and to this day, in fact, two or three pastors 1284 01:58:18.439 --> 01:58:21.880 have already passed, but the pastor who is there now we are friends of 1285 01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:28.520 all life. Well, friend, yours, Gonzalo Soriano, man, we 1286 01:58:28.720 --> 01:58:33.319 know very well that you do. Yeah, well, that' s too 1287 01:58:33.319 --> 01:58:40.960 much. Mode my background, up to there, I even went to Spain, 1288 01:58:41.640 --> 01:58:46.319 how interesting he hears, when you see the trajectory of men and women, 1289 01:58:47.680 --> 01:58:53.720 so we celebrate them recently. We were talking about here was with this 1290 01:58:53.720 --> 01:59:00.760 pastor, who is the president of the Bible Seminary Mody in Chicago, also 1291 01:59:00.880 --> 01:59:08.640 that the whole family were in Spain, also sea Llove also his parents came 1292 01:59:08.720 --> 01:59:12.920 from the United States. They settled in Spain, in the Spain of the 1293 01:59:13.079 --> 01:59:20.000 seventy- sixty- seventies and still lived part of the backs of the Franco 1294 01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:23.720 dictatorship. In fact, they have now been on television here in Catalonia, 1295 01:59:24.439 --> 01:59:30.800 a documentary of the Church persecuted in Spain during Francoism, which suffered well. 1296 01:59:30.079 --> 01:59:35.960 In fact, there were shootings at the beginning of Tilano coco who was a 1297 01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:45.880 friend of this one, of this philosopher so well known that he was, 1298 01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:47.279 came out in the film for the duration of the war. The truth is 1299 01:59:47.399 --> 01:59:54.560 that he was also shot because he was accused of false truths. No, 1300 01:59:55.279 --> 01:59:58.920 and then that is to say that here the Church also has its history, 1301 01:59:59.359 --> 02:00:05.800 its small history of sufferings because of the Gospel, then he good when we 1302 02:00:05.880 --> 02:00:12.319 arrive the churches, when I tell this to people who ask me also of 1303 02:00:12.359 --> 02:00:15.640 my background in my travel through Latin America and all places, but when we 1304 02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:19.520 arrived in Spain, to the churches, they did not have posters outside, 1305 02:00:20.039 --> 02:00:27.479 they were not allowed and the Government, that the Government of the Catholic Church, 1306 02:00:27.880 --> 02:00:30.560 was the same thing, they controlled who came in and who went out. 1307 02:00:31.439 --> 02:00:36.680 That was it. We lived that and yes, that was Spain for 1308 02:00:38.920 --> 02:00:45.199 us from the late sixties to the mid- 1970s. This is how I 1309 02:00:45.239 --> 02:00:49.479 also referred to Miguel de unamuno, who was a person who approached Protestantism and 1310 02:00:49.760 --> 02:00:55.199 had, in fact, his intimate diary book of an amuno, one of 1311 02:00:55.279 --> 02:00:59.920 the last that I read with great attention. He spoke and had his advice. 1312 02:01:00.319 --> 02:01:03.800 He was and friend, friend to Tirano, or shot by the Taru 1313 02:01:04.800 --> 02:01:09.840 and so many others. Well, better times have come for us, thank 1314 02:01:09.880 --> 02:01:15.680 God, and we also celebrate it, but your long experience and that of 1315 02:01:15.800 --> 02:01:19.159 your parents is very much reflected in these books shepherds of flesh and bone, 1316 02:01:19.520 --> 02:01:24.800 which had an EP Awards award and also the life of the pastor Give us 1317 02:01:24.840 --> 02:01:30.159 a note of these books for us, for those who are that emerging generation. 1318 02:01:31.199 --> 02:01:35.840 Well, there' s a lot of people in the question. First, 1319 02:01:35.960 --> 02:01:42.560 how long it took me to write the first book. I didn' 1320 02:01:42.640 --> 02:01:47.119 t say good in a symbolic way. I mean, it took me forty 1321 02:01:47.359 --> 02:01:50.680 - one years to write wolf. Now there are forty- one helpers of 1322 02:01:51.239 --> 02:02:00.920 ministry and combined shepherding. Those books are the fruit of all pastoral and ministerial 1323 02:02:00.039 --> 02:02:06.560 experiences and I must clarify that those books, what is there, are not 1324 02:02:06.720 --> 02:02:15.159 batallites as we say. They are not very practical leadership teachings aimed at pastoral 1325 02:02:15.279 --> 02:02:20.920 care and already, as I say, in many conferences with pastors, after 1326 02:02:21.039 --> 02:02:26.520 a while in the ministry you get the thick skin with which you understand this, 1327 02:02:27.520 --> 02:02:36.039 you will know what I mean. No. Then I gave lectures workshops 1328 02:02:36.159 --> 02:02:40.680 everywhere and people came after and said good, j that' s what you 1329 02:02:40.720 --> 02:02:45.079 said is in your book. Right, I used to say in which book. 1330 02:02:45.640 --> 02:02:47.119 No, no, what you said is in your book. Then it 1331 02:02:47.439 --> 02:02:54.439 became clear to me that I had to write about what I was talking about, 1332 02:02:55.680 --> 02:02:59.880 what I was living as a pastor. I had very good friends. 1333 02:03:00.720 --> 02:03:05.800 One of them also some that you know well Catalan, the lyceum encouraged me 1334 02:03:06.000 --> 02:03:14.079 all the time to write. Then write and his wife also great friends. 1335 02:03:15.399 --> 02:03:21.800 So from there came all this, to translate into experience, to embody all 1336 02:03:21.920 --> 02:03:28.439 these very practical principles of leadership that I am a very pragmatic person in that 1337 02:03:28.520 --> 02:03:40.039 sense and has apparently helped reality. It has already helped thousands and thousands of 1338 02:03:40.279 --> 02:03:46.119 pastors and leaders throughout Spanish- speaking countries, but not just Hispanic. The 1339 02:03:46.199 --> 02:03:53.159 book has been translated into two languages. It has been translated into Portuguese and 1340 02:03:53.279 --> 02:03:58.520 has also been translated into Korean. This caught my attention, because whoever wanted 1341 02:03:58.600 --> 02:04:04.840 to translate the book into Korean told me this has to be read by pastors 1342 02:04:04.960 --> 02:04:12.520 friends of mine in Korea and I said but seriously says yes. Yeah. 1343 02:04:12.920 --> 02:04:21.079 Then it became clear to me that the problem, the challenge of the shepherds 1344 02:04:21.239 --> 02:04:29.279 is the same in any culture, what changes is the language. So, 1345 02:04:30.079 --> 02:04:33.199 that' s where all this and the books came from, too. Well, 1346 02:04:33.279 --> 02:04:38.319 as the title says well in the first no shepherds of flesh and blood 1347 02:04:39.079 --> 02:04:43.279 that, by the way, I was with you in a program there years 1348 02:04:43.359 --> 02:04:50.840 ago, taking Barcelona and we were talking about this and the title, because 1349 02:04:51.000 --> 02:04:54.119 it speaks clearly, as I say, of the guts of the book. 1350 02:04:55.439 --> 02:05:00.439 But it has to be said that there are shepherds who are not fleshly Hues 1351 02:05:01.319 --> 02:05:05.560 Then, when you see by the media, by television, a shepherd who 1352 02:05:05.680 --> 02:05:14.399 has a perfect hairstyle, a Armani suit, nothing against Armani, a family 1353 02:05:14.560 --> 02:05:19.439 presents the image of a perfect family, perfect children, perfect marriage. None 1354 02:05:19.560 --> 02:05:25.960 of that, it' s true. Our marriages, our children, our 1355 02:05:26.000 --> 02:05:30.520 families are not perfect. So the book talks about all this, these two 1356 02:05:30.680 --> 02:05:36.159 books, and it makes it good and I do it in an intimate way, 1357 02:05:36.279 --> 02:05:42.640 that is, without tongue hairs, but with very practical things that they 1358 02:05:42.760 --> 02:05:45.479 can use. Me. He has found many shepherds who have told me to 1359 02:05:45.479 --> 02:05:48.560 flee. If I had read this 20 years ago, I wouldn' t 1360 02:05:49.159 --> 02:05:53.199 have saved a lot of fuss in my ministry. Yes, yes, I 1361 02:05:53.439 --> 02:05:57.760 do, sir, that' s why we recommend those who have now joined 1362 02:05:57.840 --> 02:06:02.319 our tuning. Alfonso Guevara, with whom we are talking, Pastor Alfonso Guevara, 1363 02:06:03.479 --> 02:06:10.399 also his book Previous books shepherds of flesh and bone, who was winner 1364 02:06:10.479 --> 02:06:15.159 of the prize know. You can get it and then recently also from home 1365 02:06:15.279 --> 02:06:20.600 creation. I was looking at the pastor' s life on Google now. 1366 02:06:21.039 --> 02:06:26.399 I think that' s what Alfonso said right now, books like these. 1367 02:06:27.239 --> 02:06:30.680 If they are read, I am also a pastor of forty years of ministry 1368 02:06:31.720 --> 02:06:35.239 and I think I will be able to contribute something. But if I had 1369 02:06:35.319 --> 02:06:42.359 read books like these, like the one Alfonso gave us, I think he 1370 02:06:42.399 --> 02:06:48.520 would have helped me avoid many headaches a few years ago. Truly remember the 1371 02:06:48.640 --> 02:06:53.199 life of the shepherd is one of the last, also in the series of 1372 02:06:53.279 --> 02:06:57.800 shepherds of flesh and bone and the life of the shepherd. But now let 1373 02:06:57.880 --> 02:07:02.840 ' s go to what there is another more quick mention, which is this 1374 02:07:02.960 --> 02:07:10.359 ancient, but not outdated commandments. Yes, this is a book that I 1375 02:07:10.479 --> 02:07:16.319 self published in Spain, I distributed Bible society my friend Gonzalo and they are 1376 02:07:16.359 --> 02:07:20.720 at once in due. There are old bookstores in Spain, but not old 1377 02:07:20.720 --> 02:07:25.199 - fashioned. This is to talk about another day in July, because it 1378 02:07:25.319 --> 02:07:28.079 has a lot of marine fabric. Yeah, yeah, well. I' 1379 02:07:28.079 --> 02:07:30.239 ll get back to you. I am a member of the Board of Directors 1380 02:07:30.479 --> 02:07:33.880 of the Bible Society and I believe I have seen it. I think I 1381 02:07:34.119 --> 02:07:41.960 ' ve seen him there, in the sayings, in the Bible society bookshop. 1382 02:07:42.039 --> 02:07:45.319 But, well, let' s be interesting, ancient, expect antiquated 1383 02:07:45.039 --> 02:07:51.479 phenomena, wow. Well, let' s go to this recent publication Jesus 1384 02:07:51.640 --> 02:08:01.039 in everything, how this book responds to in this culture that wants to erase 1385 02:08:01.159 --> 02:08:07.680 the name of Jesus tries it at all costs, but you can' t 1386 02:08:07.760 --> 02:08:11.399 all how this publication responds to it. Well, this is nothing new, 1387 02:08:11.880 --> 02:08:18.199 especially in the context where I have now lived for the last forty- two 1388 02:08:18.279 --> 02:08:24.279 years and before because I came here to the United States with my father and 1389 02:08:24.479 --> 02:08:30.279 my family. But it' s nothing new. I repeat, in this 1390 02:08:30.279 --> 02:08:35.319 context, where I live in American culture as Hispanic, I run into all 1391 02:08:35.319 --> 02:08:41.159 this, not because it is palpable, but here it is nothing new. 1392 02:08:41.520 --> 02:08:52.239 Here I remember in the late sixties, even seventy, when John Lennon said 1393 02:08:52.359 --> 02:08:58.399 they were more famous than Jesus, and that' s where they started. 1394 02:09:00.199 --> 02:09:09.680 There began that dialectic and that attempt to overshadow Christianity, to cast aside the 1395 02:09:09.800 --> 02:09:13.039 name of Jesus, and there, in a sense, the dechristianization of American 1396 02:09:13.159 --> 02:09:22.319 culture also began before that. And, therefore, the rest of the world, 1397 02:09:22.479 --> 02:09:26.319 because everything that happens here leaks, whether you like it or not, 1398 02:09:26.640 --> 02:09:31.880 the rest of the world has come out very good things, but horrible, 1399 02:09:31.279 --> 02:09:37.279 terrible things have also come out. So, and of course, it' 1400 02:09:39.039 --> 02:09:43.880 s very curious to have people in Spain like Levic' s American burgers and 1401 02:09:45.000 --> 02:09:50.399 jeans, for example, but they hate a lot of things about Yankees and 1402 02:09:50.479 --> 02:10:03.560 American culture. But all that anti- gods and anti- Jesus has been 1403 02:10:03.640 --> 02:10:09.359 permeating the culture here and has also filtered into angelic churches and people' s 1404 02:10:09.479 --> 02:10:16.520 psyches. People think that here, this is a Christian country onhalli or nothing 1405 02:10:16.600 --> 02:10:22.760 to see. This is already an anti- God atheistic country, when you 1406 02:10:24.159 --> 02:10:28.479 already have sixty- five billion abortions since abortion was legalized, this ceased to 1407 02:10:28.560 --> 02:10:33.840 be a Christian country a long time ago. Let' s not fool ourselves. 1408 02:10:33.880 --> 02:10:41.319 So all that, all that has influenced people' s mentality, even 1409 02:10:41.319 --> 02:10:46.479 sneaked into the church. That' s why and I' m talking about 1410 02:10:46.560 --> 02:10:50.680 Hispanic churches too because it' s what my job is with my colleagues, 1411 02:10:52.279 --> 02:11:00.680 my Hispanic compatriots here and here. Hence the tremendous need to talk about Jesus. 1412 02:11:01.239 --> 02:11:09.159 We are not surprised by the fact that there are so many people, 1413 02:11:09.079 --> 02:11:16.720 billions who have neither read nor heard of Jesus. And good Spain, that 1414 02:11:16.800 --> 02:11:20.640 at one time there were blows to the chest that it was a religious and 1415 02:11:20.720 --> 02:11:26.520 Christian country. I remember going with my father to the Canary Islands in the 1416 02:11:26.560 --> 02:11:31.039 year seventy- seven- four seventy- five, to an evangelistic campaign there 1417 02:11:31.880 --> 02:11:41.560 and going and witnessing in the streets and asking such questions and people, as 1418 02:11:41.640 --> 02:11:46.199 I had not heard clear, had fled Jesus at Christmas Holy Week, but 1419 02:11:46.600 --> 02:11:50.720 I had no idea who Jesus was and what he represented and what he had 1420 02:11:50.039 --> 02:11:58.159 done. So, bringing this to the present, is that I write this 1421 02:11:58.279 --> 02:12:07.600 book right now. Why, because Jesus Jesus has put it on the periphery, 1422 02:12:07.800 --> 02:12:15.520 the periphery of many areas, because there I speak. I have thirteen 1423 02:12:15.680 --> 02:12:24.319 chapters in the book and the book I intentionally wrote it that way. The 1424 02:12:24.399 --> 02:12:30.239 first chapter to give you an idea of Jesus in the beginning. And it 1425 02:12:30.399 --> 02:12:33.880 is for that, for it is necessary to talk about Genesis one and John 1426 02:12:35.039 --> 02:12:37.279 one. Jesus in the beginning, he is the creator, but the last 1427 02:12:37.399 --> 02:12:43.479 chapter is Jesus in the end. The interesting thing about this is that Jesus 1428 02:12:43.560 --> 02:12:48.159 promised us that he would be with us until the end. So, between 1429 02:12:48.399 --> 02:12:54.640 the beginning and the end there is what we call a whole life, a 1430 02:12:54.760 --> 02:13:00.520 whole existence. And I speak of that precisely and how Jesus is and can 1431 02:13:00.640 --> 02:13:07.560 be involved in our entire existence from beginning to end. And it is that, 1432 02:13:07.279 --> 02:13:11.600 for example, you go to a cemetery and there, on the tombstone, 1433 02:13:13.119 --> 02:13:16.319 you will see the name of the person, the date of birth and 1434 02:13:16.439 --> 02:13:20.640 the date of death. And between one date and the other there' s 1435 02:13:20.640 --> 02:13:24.760 a little ray. That rayita, that raita is very significant, because that 1436 02:13:24.840 --> 02:13:31.640 rayita means a lifetime between the beginning and the end. Then, from there 1437 02:13:31.760 --> 02:13:41.840 I am developing and we will talk here more because questions will arise and I 1438 02:13:43.119 --> 02:13:50.840 also wrote the book because I am in daily need of more of Jesus. 1439 02:13:52.199 --> 02:13:56.439 I recognize it, I need it, and therefore the world also desperately needs 1440 02:13:56.600 --> 02:14:03.880 the prsons, the power, the word and the presence of Jesus. Person, 1441 02:14:05.319 --> 02:14:09.279 power, word, presence of Jesus and how they see him there in 1442 02:14:09.359 --> 02:14:13.920 the announcement. My proposal is that no and it is clear, Jesus in 1443 02:14:15.640 --> 02:14:18.159 everything or Jesus in nothing. He' s the lord of everything or the 1444 02:14:18.239 --> 02:14:22.960 lord of nothing. There' s no half- inks. How interesting he 1445 02:14:24.720 --> 02:14:30.960 hears what synthesis you have made, because really hearing Alfonso Guevara, our interviewee 1446 02:14:31.279 --> 02:14:35.920 and author of these books, pastor writer, too, I say, a 1447 02:14:35.000 --> 02:14:41.960 very experienced pastor. That is why he has the authority to advance us these 1448 02:14:43.000 --> 02:14:43.680 books of shepherds of flesh and blood. The life of the shepherd, but 1449 02:14:45.600 --> 02:14:48.880 now with the last book, Jesus in all or the contrast, Jesus in 1450 02:14:48.880 --> 02:14:54.039 nothing, in those thirteen chapters, Jesus in the beginning, Jesus in the 1451 02:14:54.039 --> 02:14:58.000 family, Jesus in the marriage, Jesus in the needy, Jesus in sickness, 1452 02:14:58.119 --> 02:15:01.279 Jesus in the work, Jesus in the center, Jesus in the boat, 1453 02:15:01.760 --> 02:15:05.960 Jesus in the cross, Jesus in the believer, Jesus in the resurrection, 1454 02:15:05.119 --> 02:15:09.800 Jesus in his second avenue and Jesus in the end. I the truth 1455 02:15:09.920 --> 02:15:16.319 that, knowing your literary style as you write, that you write, you 1456 02:15:16.159 --> 02:15:22.520 are so descriptive writing and I believe that readers will enjoy it, I have 1457 02:15:22.640 --> 02:15:26.359 seemed like a glimpse into the whole trajectory, as you have said, of 1458 02:15:26.479 --> 02:15:33.600 a life Jesus in everything is Jesus is the centrality of Jesus as you say 1459 02:15:33.239 --> 02:15:37.760 and the supremacy of Jesus in the Lordship, of Jesus in so many areas 1460 02:15:37.840 --> 02:15:43.039 of our life. You mean that right truth, that' s right. 1461 02:15:43.840 --> 02:15:52.359 When I refer to the centrality of Jesus, to the centrality of Christ, 1462 02:15:52.800 --> 02:15:58.239 I mean that he has the divine right to be at the center of our 1463 02:15:58.359 --> 02:16:05.359 lives and of our particular worlds, and also of the Church, because, 1464 02:16:07.199 --> 02:16:13.079 if we invoke him as our lord, he has that right to be at 1465 02:16:13.159 --> 02:16:16.680 the center of our lives and at the center of the Church. But, 1466 02:16:16.800 --> 02:16:26.279 as I said earlier, Jesus is on the periphery many times in our lives 1467 02:16:26.359 --> 02:16:33.959 and in the life of the Church. Because I must clarify and emphasize Jesus 1468 02:16:35.159 --> 02:16:41.239 is not a display ornament, because sometimes we put Jesus on a shelf as 1469 02:16:41.319 --> 02:16:46.680 if he were a little garden figurine and for others to admire. But no, 1470 02:16:46.840 --> 02:16:52.760 no, He' s not an ornament. Jesus is also not an 1471 02:16:52.920 --> 02:17:01.879 emergency accessory. The typical hotel announcement that I go a lot from the emergency 1472 02:17:01.239 --> 02:17:07.159 hose only breaks in case of fire and seems to pretend that Lord Jesus is 1473 02:17:07.239 --> 02:17:13.479 used only in case of emergency. No. No, it' s not 1474 02:17:13.479 --> 02:17:18.319 an emergency accessory. Jesus is also not the genius of the lamp because in 1475 02:17:18.479 --> 02:17:26.239 recent years Jesus has presented himself as that genius of the lamp they see Christ 1476 02:17:26.079 --> 02:17:31.200 and all the problems are going to end, it is not true, come 1477 02:17:31.680 --> 02:17:37.079 to Christ and the money will come out of your ears, it is not 1478 02:17:37.239 --> 02:17:45.879 true. Brutal materialism has been presented with that nefarious doctrine of prosperity. God 1479 02:17:45.959 --> 02:17:50.920 wants to prosper him. No doubt about it. The apostle John says so, 1480 02:17:50.159 --> 02:17:56.680 but this is not the genius of the lamp that we can use at 1481 02:17:56.760 --> 02:18:03.399 our whim Jesus is not a pet of companionship either, for look now I 1482 02:18:03.520 --> 02:18:07.799 am lonely, for I will summon the Lord Lord come this way that I 1483 02:18:07.959 --> 02:18:11.000 feel alone bored. No. No, no, no, Jesus is the 1484 02:18:11.079 --> 02:18:16.440 lord. He has to be in the center or not. One out of 1485 02:18:16.440 --> 02:18:24.520 two. That' s the WOW approach. Yes, there is certainly a 1486 02:18:24.559 --> 02:18:28.840 fraudulent discourse of Jesus. In some cases there are not few who have adulterated 1487 02:18:28.920 --> 02:18:33.639 the truth, the Gospel, but the truth persists. And besides, this 1488 02:18:33.680 --> 02:18:39.319 approach so transparent, so crystalline Jesus in everything and with those aspects that Alfonso 1489 02:18:39.399 --> 02:18:46.040 Guevara proposes to us, in his book Jesus. In every editorial an illito. 1490 02:18:46.200 --> 02:18:48.559 You can get it from the Lee platform, but it' s already 1491 02:18:48.600 --> 02:18:56.319 in the evangelical bookstores available Well, it' s still hot out there, 1492 02:18:58.520 --> 02:19:00.719 it' s out there in Spain. I understand what' s coming right 1493 02:19:01.360 --> 02:19:09.239 before Christmas. And man who in good weather, because he asked in Colombia 1494 02:19:09.319 --> 02:19:15.799 this week that he was with booksellers and also with shepherds, told him to 1495 02:19:15.799 --> 02:19:18.639 see Christmas. It is about who, for Jesus, that is, is 1496 02:19:18.760 --> 02:19:28.639 celebrating Jesus’ birthday. What a better gift to say, so put this 1497 02:19:28.719 --> 02:19:33.680 book under the tree to someone, because the idea I present also is that 1498 02:19:35.479 --> 02:19:43.200 sometimes we cut ourselves in evangelizing very cut or we dare not speak to that 1499 02:19:43.280 --> 02:19:48.799 neighbor, that neighbor or that co- worker in the office or at work 1500 02:19:48.040 --> 02:19:54.360 at the supermarket. And good, but the book can serve as a bridge. 1501 02:19:54.520 --> 02:19:58.159 I mean, look. Take this book because it is written not only 1502 02:19:58.200 --> 02:20:03.159 for the believer, but I wrote it thinking of the unbelievers who have not 1503 02:20:03.319 --> 02:20:09.959 read and need to hear the Gospel Jesus and is the bridge. It is 1504 02:20:11.079 --> 02:20:15.680 a good excuse to present the Gospel as a Christmas gift. That' s 1505 02:20:15.760 --> 02:20:18.120 an idea, uh, yeah, perfect, perfect. I was going to 1506 02:20:18.200 --> 02:20:24.200 ask you is answering how this book can help unbelievers in Jesus. And I 1507 02:20:24.239 --> 02:20:28.920 think the content, the focus and what you' re saying is perfect and 1508 02:20:28.920 --> 02:20:33.159 better. At Christmas, everyone' s good. Christmas. Jesus saw the 1509 02:20:33.239 --> 02:20:39.840 aroma of Christmas and the inevitably fills everything and people look. We organize gospel 1510 02:20:39.920 --> 02:20:45.319 music concerts that we have here in Barcelona on December 18th, and the people 1511 02:20:45.799 --> 02:20:50.319 that at other times of the year, not even if everything that surrounds at 1512 02:20:50.399 --> 02:20:56.360 Christmas and has to do with Jesus, many people pay attention. A book 1513 02:20:56.440 --> 02:21:01.239 It is a good tool because we also give things away, we give ourselves 1514 02:21:01.239 --> 02:21:03.879 Jesus in everything. Besides, I tell you that thing, besides the content 1515 02:21:03.920 --> 02:21:07.799 I can imagine, knowing your way of writing so magnificent that I like it. 1516 02:21:09.840 --> 02:21:13.440 Jesus in everything is a book that has a lot, a title that 1517 02:21:13.719 --> 02:21:18.760 I also have hook, if it responds to our expectations, for he hears 1518 02:21:18.760 --> 02:21:24.360 magnificent at Christmas. Jesus in everything, Alfonso Guevara' s book of ouilit 1519 02:21:24.440 --> 02:21:28.399 publishing already on the platform or a hi has it unavailable, but we will 1520 02:21:28.479 --> 02:21:33.000 also be able to find it in the evangelical bookstores of Spain. Already in 1521 02:21:33.200 --> 02:21:37.600 a few weeks before Christmas. Let' s try and track him down. 1522 02:21:37.680 --> 02:21:41.280 I want to get it. I have an advance of the book, but 1523 02:21:41.440 --> 02:21:48.159 I want to have it and read it with great affection, because I am 1524 02:21:48.239 --> 02:21:52.840 a passionate central Christ and I like it when things are explained well. Hey, 1525 02:21:52.040 --> 02:21:56.799 that' s good, Alfonso, to be able to talk to you 1526 02:21:56.799 --> 02:22:01.760 from Dallas. There, you' re there for a while opening a new 1527 02:22:01.760 --> 02:22:07.200 church. It' s not from Austin. Austistin is perfect. Austin is 1528 02:22:07.440 --> 02:22:11.920 the state capital, but well, we' re close to Dallas. I 1529 02:22:11.920 --> 02:22:16.079 ' m two and a half hours from Houston, three hours south and San 1530 02:22:16.120 --> 02:22:20.159 Antonio an hour and a half. I mean, Austin is at the center 1531 02:22:20.440 --> 02:22:28.120 of this great state. Texas is the size of France. It is a 1532 02:22:28.200 --> 02:22:33.959 very large state and there you are performing pastoral work also right now. Yeah, 1533 02:22:35.360 --> 02:22:41.239 well, I do a few things. I am director of pastoral care 1534 02:22:41.360 --> 02:22:46.399 and ministerial ethics of an association of pastors here in the city between twenty and 1535 02:22:46.959 --> 02:22:52.879 thirty churches or pastors. I also teach in a hermeneutic Bible institute. Next 1536 02:22:52.920 --> 02:22:58.559 year I' ll teach or biletics. In case it' s little above 1537 02:22:58.639 --> 02:23:05.760 everything I do, my wife and I are involved in a plantation and I 1538 02:23:05.799 --> 02:23:09.280 was telling her a new play and we' re there borrowing to say it. 1539 02:23:09.319 --> 02:23:15.680 So, this is an Anglo- Saxon church that wanted to start a 1540 02:23:15.680 --> 02:23:20.319 Hispanic ministry and we are there since January. We started there with them a 1541 02:23:20.440 --> 02:23:24.600 small group was eight nine. Now we' re thirty- thirty. We 1542 02:23:24.719 --> 02:23:30.200 baptized four in July and the idea is to leave a pastoral couple there. 1543 02:23:31.360 --> 02:23:37.920 And also, because I have my own ministry, which is to the pastors, 1544 02:23:37.120 --> 02:23:41.559 and that is why I travel to all the world managing lectures workshops. 1545 02:23:41.719 --> 02:23:48.639 I was in Ecuador and Colombia this week and on Thursday that comes except again 1546 02:23:48.719 --> 02:23:54.200 for Colombia, in another part of Colombia. I' ll be there with 1547 02:23:54.360 --> 02:23:58.600 pastors in a church, the largest presumptarian church in Latin America. It' 1548 02:23:58.920 --> 02:24:03.879 s there near Cali back and the other weekend I' m going to El 1549 02:24:05.000 --> 02:24:07.319 Salvador with two thousand brothers who are going to be there. I will be 1550 02:24:07.360 --> 02:24:11.959 administering in the Church of God of Prophecy which has its convention, that is, 1551 02:24:11.120 --> 02:24:18.680 my ministry, is pastoral renewal. It' s the name of the 1552 02:24:18.680 --> 02:24:22.319 Ministry is interdenominational, as you can hear, and we' re like this. 1553 02:24:22.479 --> 02:24:33.440 Everywhere. I must tell you that I hope to see you personally in 1554 02:24:35.079 --> 02:24:39.079 April I will be with my colleague Gonzalo for the Madrils, but we have 1555 02:24:41.360 --> 02:24:43.920 planned a tour there for catalun star with pastors churches. So I' ll 1556 02:24:43.959 --> 02:24:46.799 give it to you. In April it will be the enchanted thing. If 1557 02:24:46.920 --> 02:24:52.280 you could be with us around here for a weekend, it would be great 1558 02:24:52.360 --> 02:24:56.959 to be clear to you. And the truth is that if what blessing you 1559 02:24:56.040 --> 02:25:03.120 can enjoy all the gathering of your is such a fruitful experience and, besides, 1560 02:25:03.319 --> 02:25:07.559 your way of communicating, which is so pleasant. Therefore, the truth 1561 02:25:07.159 --> 02:25:13.200 celebrates that God renews your strength and carries it in your soul. That' 1562 02:25:13.280 --> 02:25:18.159 s clear. It' s and when you carry it in your soul it 1563 02:25:18.239 --> 02:25:22.840 ' s that I had a very special mentor. He was my hero, 1564 02:25:22.520 --> 02:25:28.600 He literally gave his life for the work in Spain, my father, my 1565 02:25:28.719 --> 02:25:37.879 parent. That' s why I trained myself to see him give his life 1566 02:25:37.040 --> 02:25:45.639 to a Latin American in the late 1960s and 1970s in Spain. If today 1567 02:25:45.680 --> 02:25:50.440 you still feel discrimination with Latin Americans, don' t see you well, 1568 02:25:50.840 --> 02:25:56.719 you know in the seventies it was fierce, but God gave him a special 1569 02:25:56.879 --> 02:26:03.520 grace to win Spanish, because there were no Latin Americans in Spain, there 1570 02:26:03.520 --> 02:26:09.600 were almost then. This one. That' s why I come from that 1571 02:26:09.000 --> 02:26:18.959 ministerial wealth and of course I just think I' ve followed your steps and 1572 02:26:20.040 --> 02:26:26.319 followed your ministry at this level, globally, I' m an extension of 1573 02:26:26.440 --> 02:26:30.799 what was my parent. As simple as that, as simple as that, 1574 02:26:31.399 --> 02:26:37.399 he hears infinitely grateful to your father for that contribution, as we told him 1575 02:26:37.520 --> 02:26:41.760 to love Llove recently, and a whole life given and watered here, besides 1576 02:26:41.879 --> 02:26:46.079 a good job, a magnificent job. I believe that the name of many 1577 02:26:46.639 --> 02:26:52.520 Spaniards, we want to thank people and characters like your father, people like 1578 02:26:52.559 --> 02:26:58.639 you, thanks for investing so much and of such good quality in our country. 1579 02:26:58.959 --> 02:27:03.040 And thank you, Alfonso. A privilege for me every time I return 1580 02:27:03.399 --> 02:27:11.639 to Spain is literally the motherland. Although I' m Cuban, I have 1581 02:27:11.639 --> 02:27:16.680 Spanish blood. On both sides, my great- grandparents, on both sides, 1582 02:27:18.479 --> 02:27:22.159 were Spanish and of course, many people look at me and tell me, 1583 02:27:22.079 --> 02:27:26.479 but you don' t, you don' t, you look Cuban, 1584 02:27:26.479 --> 02:27:28.559 because they have one idea of the Cuban of another. Well, in 1585 02:27:28.639 --> 02:27:31.799 Cuba we were of all colors and flavors. What happens is that my ancestors 1586 02:27:31.920 --> 02:27:39.959 were Asturians and Galicians. And this is the physiognomy of what my ancestors were 1587 02:27:39.959 --> 02:27:45.680 like. Then that blood runs through my veins. Every time I go to 1588 02:27:45.680 --> 02:27:52.959 Asturias, I feel at home, but I am Cuban and I will die 1589 02:27:52.959 --> 02:27:58.000 Cuban. Yes, sir, but in a friend I wrote the other day 1590 02:27:58.079 --> 02:28:01.559 with him there in Madrid, and he says hey you forgot your z and 1591 02:28:01.680 --> 02:28:07.399 I say no. I can speak to you as a Castizo Madridman, but 1592 02:28:07.399 --> 02:28:13.680 I' m Cuban, I' m faithful to my people, so this 1593 02:28:13.719 --> 02:28:16.920 one and then he tells me and how we' re going to talk to 1594 02:28:16.920 --> 02:28:20.760 people about lava feet. Well, with a chotis then when he realizes that 1595 02:28:20.879 --> 02:28:26.719 I know Spanish culture to the core, then he fell. And well, 1596 02:28:26.799 --> 02:28:33.879 OK, OK, I' m so pretty, Alfonso Guevara, dear friend, 1597 02:28:33.040 --> 02:28:39.079 I' m sending you a very affectionate hug and thank you endlessly that 1598 02:28:39.239 --> 02:28:41.000 you' ve been with us There you' ve already stuck to the early 1599 02:28:41.000 --> 02:28:43.399 morning so you can be with us this morning. A hug is with great 1600 02:28:43.520 --> 02:28:50.920 pleasure and a hug to all now always see you soon. Chao the train 1601 02:28:52.120 --> 02:28:58.479 of life, an exciting journey along the routes of the heart, an unforgettable 1602 02:28:58.479 --> 02:29:13.959 trip at the rhythm of trem We have arrived at the end of the tour. 1603 02:29:15.120 --> 02:29:20.440 Ladies and gentlemen, remember that evangelical churches exist throughout Spain. In general, 1604 02:29:20.879 --> 02:29:26.799 the vast majority of the evangelical churches of Spain, about five, zero 1605 02:29:26.799 --> 02:29:35.360 centers evangelical churches with a common connection that characterizes us, but with liturgies a 1606 02:29:35.760 --> 02:29:41.239 little differentiated in the ultic practice, but that there we are with open doors. 1607 02:29:41.680 --> 02:29:46.479 They are places of friendship and peace, usually, but of blessing. 1608 02:29:48.879 --> 02:29:52.879 Believe me who is in the Christian and magenic communities, for people of all 1609 02:29:52.000 --> 02:29:56.639 social backgrounds, as you can imagine in a multi- ethnic, multiracial, 1610 02:30:00.840 --> 02:30:05.760 multicultural community and, evidently, where there are people of all human social classes, 1611 02:30:07.040 --> 02:30:11.920 of all disciplines that you can imagine and that we meet. There we 1612 02:30:11.000 --> 02:30:16.520 meet and share, we worship, we already recognize the greatness of God together, 1613 02:30:16.840 --> 02:30:20.200 we really like to sing to Protestants, to the Emangenics, We very 1614 02:30:20.280 --> 02:30:26.079 much like singing is the expression of freedom. Hence the African- American chants 1615 02:30:26.680 --> 02:30:31.760 of the slavery of chanting was a form of emancipation, for that is in 1616 02:30:31.840 --> 02:30:37.479 the soul- matter of Protestantism. Chanting as an expression of worship of God 1617 02:30:37.520 --> 02:30:43.280 and gratitude. And also good reflection on the Bible, which is not an 1618 02:30:43.440 --> 02:30:50.200 inspiration for life in all orders. And then fraternization, to interact with each 1619 02:30:50.280 --> 02:30:56.959 other, to help and bless us and also to communicate this message to so 1620 02:30:56.719 --> 02:31:01.079 many others so that they can receive it in time before it is too late. 1621 02:31:01.360 --> 02:31:05.079 Don' t remember you can write me to Julio Pérez Arroba. The 1622 02:31:05.200 --> 02:31:07.040 train of life. Point is for any query. In fact, it is 1623 02:31:07.079 --> 02:31:11.079 done by people or suggestion or a book this, that, a proposal, 1624 02:31:11.639 --> 02:31:18.520 a suggestion, sometimes a well- received criticism, because Julio Pérez throws the 1625 02:31:18.559 --> 02:31:22.399 train of life. Point is you can write me there with pleasure. I 1626 02:31:22.440 --> 02:31:28.200 will answer them for today nothing more and nothing less. Ladies and gentlemen, 1627 02:31:28.959 --> 02:31:56.840 Julio Pérez has always spoken to you: the evangelical churches are a place of 1628 02:31:56.280 --> 02:32:03.680 peace and friendship. You can freely attend the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood 1629 02:32:03.760 --> 02:32:07.079 or your population. You' ll be very welcome.