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can sell your soul to the devil. You' re selling your soul.
These days he thought of those who certainly sell their soul to the devil explicitly,
but also of those who do it implicitly, without even noticing themselves,
in many cases, that they are mortgaged their lives for all eternity. And
this is no joke. In universal literature, this topic has been discussed on
several occasions. The most famous works in this regard, among others, are
Fausto de Goeth, the Lord of the Rings, also of Tolkin and,
of course, the portrait of Dorian Grey, of Oscar Walde. Selling the
soul to the devil is also, in some way, a metaphor about giving
material importance to what it does not deserve at the cost of what it does
deserve. The soul represents being and what is obtained in exchange for selling it
is to have or obtain something wealth or possessions or status. Many people are
hungry for power, fame, wealth, among many other human ambitions and from
what we see and hear, we realize that such people are willing to all,
in many cases, in order to achieve what they propose and it is
really disturbing, besides extremely dangerous to enter into the deep throat of the devil,
flirting with witchcraft, sorceries and satanic covenants that de facto imprison souls of
infinity of many unwary who choose immediate pleasure and temporary success in exchange for the
loss of their precious souls. This may seem incredible at this point in a
world as sophisticated as Ours and increasingly cautious of consciousness. Unfortunately, however,
in these last times we observe with greater intensity the seduction of thousands of people
fascinated by this sinister mephistopheles understand, the same devil who is even able to
offer to the own children of God, as the case of Balaam, all
the kingdoms of this world in exchange for a sick desire for supreme worship to
his person. One of the most biblical, more paradigmatic cases found in the
scriptures is that of Judas Iscariot, who was made to lose his soul by
the greedy obsession of stealing and making easy money at a cost of betraying God
’ s own son. When Jesus said that the thief has come to steal,
kill and destroy, he was perfectly describing the same satan who has become
the wicked thief of the precious souls of human beings that we are made in
the image and likeness of God. But what is extraordinary is what declares Jesus
himself in this very scripture. But I have come that you may have life
and that you may have it abundantly Jesus gives us eternal life by sincere trust
in his person and, moreover, offers us an abundant life. This means
the pleroma or fullness of the Holy Spirit, which gives us the true spiritual
power to live a Christian life, victorious and enjoy a new identity and the
abundant riches of his grace. This yes, which is a life with purpose
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the Spanish geography. But what' s also interesting is that we have a
lot of hours, also about six zero hours of radio over them in the
magazine of the train of life. Well, I don' t remember I
worked with Luis del Olmo in zero wave, in the various zero wave work
teams that we worked in several, in various sections, and also with Julia
Otero and other local programs and among others, tough from the last years of
the nineties and they gave him the doctor one and cause without having studied journalism.
Well, I' ve studied journalism, but of course the bachelor'
s degree, because it requires more intensity. But they gave him doctor honoris
cause for his presence on the radio. Well, I don' t ask
that much. Nor do I compare myself with the great master of radio journalists,
as Luis del Olmo has been. I still live a man really very,
very good person, at least in the deal that I knew, and
besides, a professional like the cup of a pine that marked the path of
the Creo, the radio talk and many more things. But well, at
least I think that de facto we could be considered worthy of being present on
the waves. Our team, my whole team, here we are, too.
This morning, we' ll be with Victor Minoni, sesca flat gumá
look. We need a book growing more together, a guide for couples today.
This book has been written by Esther Martínez la Vera, the psychologist and
professor of the University Rovira de Virgilli, here in Tarragona, of Evolutionary Psychology,
and Eduardo Brasier, a senior journalist and pastor, a man who has
really marked the path. He was for many years the director of Youth for
Christ, also a couple who have really contributed a lot to the evangelical world,
to the Christian faith and here a book by Esther Martínez with Eduardo Braciel,
but Victor Mironis sesca flatagumá make an explosive combination in the sense. This
work contains ten different chapters of theoretical and psychological. Theological application supported in biblical
accounts with Eduardo Brasier the first part with ester and then with Victoris It is
practical dynamics to develop and internalize concepts of family, couple, life. Listen
to the book. I' ve been doing a quick reading of the book
and I tell you one thing. This book had to be studied in universities.
I' m telling you for real. Hey, for the book building
and then the contribution so rich. Well, growing up more together with Victor
miron sesca human plan, we' ve been able to gather all four of
them for their chores. But we have captured the attention of Victor and sesca
that we will have them online by zool and also of course, through the
waves in many Spanish cities on the train of life. We then have a
meeting with our friend, clinical psychologist Daniel Garso a, a man already so
experienced and who brings us a lot every time he talks to us solving disagreements
and family or conflicts eh, but we' re going to solve problems.
Here they make us a very positive proposal and a road map and many aspects
of landscapes of family life with victor seskai Esther and Eduardo Brasier. But now
we have the clinical psychologist solving disagreements and family conflicts, Daniel Gaso, you
know that he is wise and so precise that he enlightens us with so many
questions. Well, then, let' s see him give us tools to
get out of some traffic jam than anyone else we have a partner or family,
there on the train of life. And then we had the pleasure of
having a communication these days with Alfonso Guevara. He is pastor, even dean
of pastors, professor in many theological faculties and very good writer. Pastors have
to read two of their free, fleshly shepherds and the life of the shepherd,
who are magnificent. We talked about that a little bit, too.
But the presentation of his book, a book that has caught my attention by
the title so simple but so powerful. Jesus in everything, Jesus in everything?
And He puts thirteen aspects of life, where Jesus is or is not
Jesus in everything or Jesus in nothing. But the title draws my attention a
lot, but the quality, let' s say literary, of Alfonso'
s pen deserves the attention of this book, which is very good. It
' s a book that impacts Jesus on everything. He will tell us a
little about his things, his books, his trajectory, and especially about this
international presentation of Jesus in everything. Alfonso guevara here on the train of life.
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we are already in a station with good friends. It has been said that
a happy and lasting marriage is the result of an intentional work, walking together
together beside the creator of marriage, creator with capital. Hey, I was
reading this book, doing a quick reading of the book, and I'
ll tell you one thing when I read the book. Aside from there are
mountains of books related to family, couples, conjugal life, etcetera, etcetera.
But with four people like Esther Martínez, he psychotized them from evolutionary psychology
and professor of Eduardo Brasil University, journalist, senior pastor, a very experienced
man, Victor Mirón, as well as pastor, also counselor, family,
master in therapy, family, presidents of family, family together with sesca flatagomá
that is iDen de lo iDen and with the trajectory the experience that they have
been bringing since the 1990s, with more intensity ninety I tell you are thirty
- two years that with an unstoppable intensity, they created the Ministry of Family
Family, when in Spain, in our communities, the issue was barely addressed
in an orderly way and marriages were prepared to give the passage of marriage liaison
and other such things that have been taking place in these years. They were
pioneers in this case Victor Isheska and Bueno and they have given us some books
like this combined with other authors as well. But these books, this book
of these four, I would say characters. Allow me to review it yesterday
of these days, which I was reading and was saying this Treaty would have
to be given in universities, at least in Christian universities, but in others.
They don' t want to, because it' s an architecture about
preventing, working, correcting, strengthening conjugal life, family life, relational life.
This book is good. Really. I' m not saying that because
they' re my friends who are, who are also very close in my
heart, but it' s true. When things are the way they are,
believe me, they must be valued. A gria for today' s
couples growing more together. This is the book that editorial clie already has for
sale, that is, they can directly in the bookstores of the cities in
question or editorial cli on their platform. And I welcome my friends. Victor
Mirón Sethka Plana Guma, good morning dears, how about good? Days out,
how' s it going? We' re fine, if I'
m going to introduce myself. You made us guys. Well, yeah,
well, but it' s true, it' s not true. I
' m telling you the truth. Well, I see glowing. Uh,
yeah, yeah, well, it' ll be, it' ll be,
it' ll be the light. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah?
Well, yeah, yeah, it' s not true. Listen to
such a long- awaited book. This was almost the birth of the donkey.
Not with this book, good, and of the mountains and mountains.
And if the donkeys take so many, turn up. I' ve never
looked like one, but that' s a big wall. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, well, yeah, it' s been elaborate man. It
has cost us time because, in fact, and long ago we had to
write and sometimes it takes a push from someone to be able to write truth,
but it also thinks it was managed before the pandemic. And the pandemic
has shaken us all, it has delayed everything. So, this book should
have come out possibly just a year ago and the pandemic on top of that
I' ve been a long birth. The pandemic has made it even longer
also Julio, a book written to four humans. Yeah, well, four,
four, four by four, sixteen hands that we have two each difficult
is more. It' s not agile bread like when you do write one.
No, although, on the other hand, it can and is much
richer working together, also with Eduardo Ester has been very, very, very,
very constructive Pa for everyone. We' ve all learned from the four
of us and it' s been great working together really and easily. Grace,
well, there are several elements, a good friendship, but also that
you have lectured many together, you have done workshops forums and many things.
And that' s also a very, very important contribution to describing, that
it' s not easy to write with four hands, it' s difficult,
I say to agree, but here they interact several things that are perfect
for a book like this. The topic of theoretical and psychological, the theoretical
and psychological contribution of what is family, good marriage, begins with marriage and
becomes a family From a moment on, the theological application supports giving in biblical
accounts that I have loved. The characters that appear at every scene in the
house, we' ll talk about it a little bit. This is also
our friend, Eduardo Brasier, as a good theologian and pastor, and well,
you are also pastors, but practical dynamics in order to develop and internalize
these concepts. And that' s where you get into action. Well,
you get in the rag with a lot of questions. So the truth is
that this book I have said and I would say it again in the end,
this book is a book to be studied in theological faculties, at least,
uh it would be good in the faculties of the country, to be
worked. So you' re actually looking out for it, you said.
There are many books and it is true, fortunately, that speak of the
relationship of couple, marriage, family, etcetera. But I dare say that
this is unique in the sense that you have well mentioned, it is not
a book that is not only in the psychological or relational part, but that
there is a book to give tools, to put into action what you have
read. And even more so if you are a Christian, for it gives
you even examples in the Bible from which we can learn and realize that what
is happening today, because it was also happening many years ago, that we
are not living something new in a sense as seen, the basics, and
that everything has its solution and its path to improvement and enrichment. Yes,
yes, well, it' s good to think about the position marriages insist
on each section. This is genius, because it' s a practical bet.
After reading, for example, we entered the chapter. First, there
is good, obviously, you have to read the book, because it has
a lot of enjundia. Together at the entrance we' ll get in what
' s going on. We' re already in through a house and what
' s going on in that driveway. Well, at that entrance what we
got in. We enter with great enthusiasm, we enter with expectations, with
great desire. But when we get in, we don' t just come
in, but we also get the backpack that we carry behind each of our
families, what we' ve learned from family. Each one leads to his
expectation, his idea of family, because it is in which he lived,
for good or for evil and for both. Second, also your life experiences
before, also your illusions truth and all this, and who is it?
Who is it? He as a person. And all this makes a potyptoti
not that comes in with all the illusion and comes in with our suitcases inside
the house. And then, there, we have to get to know each
other and start seeing the first situations. And I think that' s interesting,
being able to talk and be able to have a good start, because
a good start, although it' s not determining true, but it always
helps to have a good development afterwards. And how many times in the start
is when many have failed because they do not realize the importance of preparing to
enter this new building. And if you' ve seen the metaphor we'
ve used is the metaphor of a house, in the different situations or rooms
that may be in an apartment, in a house, then we get this
idea of this metaphor to move around the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The truth is that I have gone through the house with this book and
if you talk about all the questions, at least as far as I know
or have seen or heard from my pastoral experience that you live from another angle,
I say you deal with plans, all the potential situations that can be
given and the most complex, even many of the most complex. We got
to the living room together and that' s where we' re entering another
phase. Right. Yes, In fact, in every stay of the House
we address the basic, basic and most important issues of the relationship. For
example, together in the living room is the subject of communication. It gives
a sense of relaxation when you sit on the sofa and it is a good
place to communicate, to come to the heart, to listen, to share
how one feels to share what one expects, desires or is saddened or concerned
about. The living room is the place where we address here the issue as
important and basic as the topic of communication, communication. We would be like
blood to life, to publication, to couple, to marriage, to everything
we do. We communicate, we communicate desires, we communicate anger, we
communicate joy, we communicate sadness, we express ourselves to all kinds of communication
movements. Then that' s having that time to be able to talk quietly,
having a coffee or whatever it takes or a sherry according to ball or
s or whatever it takes, but power in that time to relax and be
able to talk and be able to contrast some things. There it can come
out, because I know some of the issues that it touches to ester is
precisely the almost ill- treatment. Sometimes, because there is a lot of
abuse at the psychological level as well. So, things like that go down
and then, like you said, each area has a counseling section, which
is our part, and that' s where the Armariage Position system is that
in the end as GPS, GPS, you say steal where you' re
the most from the car, because here the idea was the same, which
is a little bit of coaching yourself, that is, where we were with
this topic, where we' re in communication, and the next question is
where and where we want to go. So, interact the two of you
and be able to come to a conclusion, if possible. We try to
reach the end that of everything you have read flash they reach some points of
action, to specific aspects, as that communication. That is the living room
yes and you also talk about the real dangers, the danger of infidelity,
the repercussions of a separation in the life of our children, violence and abuse,
fleeing from n egocentrism, seeking protection, going and the body, the
danger of family disintegration, etcetera. There are things in each section very important
to probe and meditate, already to take into account. We arrived in the
kitchen, the spouses cooks of family relationships. There' s a lot of
cloth in there. Not in the kitchen, the Marster Sheff of the best
of all, but the fabric, because there we talk about roles. What
does, what, the payatis, macaroni and all that and it' s
already out of here you don' t get what' s so important,
no and how many fights, arguments and misunderstandings of valuable roles. No,
it looks like the kitchen' s good. This waste is now, fortunately,
I' m seeing July lately that more men than women enter the kitchen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it' s me going in to bite,
I' m in. Yeah, that' s right. I'
m still yours Victor. But, but, but, but, but,
the but, the truth is that there are many men now, all of
me for my children, my son- in- law, are more cooks
than my daughter- in- law and me and my daughter at home.
Yeah, actually. Yeah, yeah,' cause because they' re born,
they' re born Let' s go. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah? That' s right. Not good, whoever we intend in
this chapter, the three or the six. Well, I say the three
of you, the six Esther Edward and Victorio, the four of you,
not the six of you. I don' t even know how to tell
is to talk about roles, not how important, which is that everyone is
in the right place in the relationship. No and do whatever you do by
giving a hundred percent, because if there is no correct understanding of roles,
there are recriminations. One seems to be working more than the other and it
is a discussion that leads nowhere and rather, what they do is distance the
relationship. Then we played this topic in depth at the Council. There is
a very concrete case and we think that we give good tools to work on
this issue of roles, that it is very important to work it and go
into the hall earlier when we enter the marriage, to be able to talk
about this topic very clearly and not on the way, although good if it
has not been done, because it was going on the way. It'
s always good to do it at one time or another, but especially when
the relationship starts how interesting and we keep going around the house. And there
is a moment that I like very much because we confront or face our inner
life together in front of the mirror, as we are truly individually as well
as as as a couple. And then there are many aspects of the imperative
need to live slowly and also the necessary wit the temple of the spirit,
both emotions. Then he talks a lot about the inner life, about our
need to make an introspection about us. That' s not much of a
normal deal, is it? There is no less and less in our circles,
sometimes to Christians that we super- spiritualize everything, and it seems that
a Christian person cannot have ambiguous feelings or cannot have difficult situations as in his
or her area. No, and that relates to spirituality And it' s
a big mistake, because in ours we are formed of emotions and emotions is
like an inner passage that we all carry. No, it' s hard
to get in there. Some are more extroverted and others less. But worked
emotions. It' s important to look at one thing I wanted to tell
you before, but also the cases, the welcome home, which is our
part, are real cases. These are cases that we have worked through our
time, but I would say basically since the last decade and they would almost
say the last few years. They' re very real cases. What happens
is that we have changed the scenario and the names and all the truth,
but they are cases that we have attended in our personal counseling, in situations
that have presented themselves. And it is curious because in every chapter that,
as I say, as we have said these three sections, ours, which
is that of the Council. It is curious because, for example, on
the subject of communication, the case we are dealing with, as Victor said,
is a real case, but it is that we could here. But
in a real case it is that the vast majority great majority who come to
a consultation for a topic of bad communication is that we all look very much
alike, is that it differs little, there is a different environment, obviously,
but what is the basis. I say this because sometimes we can think
that only this happens to me and this is like very dramatic, and it
' s dramatic if I don' t look for a solution, if I
don' t look for tools to help me. But we have to know
that we all look a lot alike, that we are working on the same
boat, to say, somehow and wishing to go to the same place and
we need tools. That' s why, when we play, we take
a case in the communication case, it' s good for everyone. It
serves everyone, because in what tools are given to help a better communication to
all marriages, that we read this chapter, we have better, worse communication.
Something' s gonna fill us up real sure. Yeah,' cause
we look alike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We have similar similarities,
no doubt and we come to a very interesting point together in the bedroom.
This I if anyone has heard speak well and clearly of this is to you
and especially good to both, but especially to Victor who enters into matter to
good break taboos. I knew at this point, no more, no more,
there is no place. But this conjugating the verb love in all its
times and seeing or loving in sexuality among other things, et cetera, et
cetera. There are many very important distances here. This theme is how important
you give it together in the bedroom. Well, it' s vital to
look at this weekend. We were giving weekends these retreats or wedding meetings and
we talked about that topic and we said that the sexual relationship in the couple
is the thermometer of the relationship. There are people who say we have sex
because we are going to increase our partner relationship. Not the intimacy that there
is and expressed in a sexual way between the two. It tells us whether
there is a fever or no fever in this marriage, whether it works or
not. Because it is the freest and deepest action that is involved all that
we are. The sexual relationship is global. I mean, there' s
my thought, there' s my feelings, there' s my body,
of course, but there' s also my social aspect, the expression,
and there' s also my spirituality. That' s not all out of
relationships. That' s why it' s important that when we have relationships,
be it with the person we love and with an expression like the end
of a good communication, as you know when you put communication, you want
to review a word, you put a few points of admiration. That would
be the idea of sexuality in the relationship, which goes through different stages.
Imagine how much fun, because each one carries his own fantasies and all this
sometimes bothers us more, it does not help us to have a good intimacy.
That is why it seems to us to be a very key, very
key aspect. There are many couples who don' t have relationships or some
who just look for a relationship. It' s, if this was a
triangle, love. In fact, if that would be one of the cleaters
and one of the sides, the other would be the aspect of friendship of
companionship and the other would also be well understood love, but I don'
t know. We think it' s basic and I have to say in
this section, in the welcome to the bedroom, Esther touches it in a
masterful way. She has the most psychological part, but in a masterful way,
because of techniques. There are lots of technical books on how to have
sex in every way, in every style and in every position, but of
love of love, tenderness, respect, when there is sexual relationship, this
is another song and in this chapter just what we do as Eduardo who speaks
of Solomon and the Shulamite, is not very beautiful beautiful relationship. I mean,
I think we have a very good understanding in this chapter of what love
is, what tenderness is, what passion is, what sex is, and
what sexual relationship also entails and carries the relationship. We always quote to cease
Luis, the one of Narnia' s chronicles, because he has fantastic phrases.
Besides man writes, but says pleasure is an invention of God, not
of the Devil, and of Christians we sometimes think this is something. Pleasure
is an invention of God and not of the Devil. The Devil has spoiled
it, but Lord God has designed it for our enjoyment And then, my
great professor, Dr Hendriks or Bard Hendris, who instructed me in all this.
He always said Victor. We are not to be ashamed of what God
was not ashamed of in that, I repeat the phrase is in the book.
We should not be ashamed to speak of what God was not ashamed to
create. So, let' s talk in a way. If anyone can
speak well of the sexual relationship, of the intimacy between a man and a
woman in marriage. They' re an isthion, because we know the one
who designed it out of obedience. Therefore, there is the chapter to read
them all and the example of chalomon going to his humintad is precious. In
addition, the singing of the songs, which is a book of sexual relations,
is a book in the purest and noblest sense the word, but intentionally
clear you can look you can spiritualize, yes, but you have spiritualized it
in order not to recognize your reality. Also Yes, yes, exact,
exact It is a book of love in its pure essence. But in addition
to the hormonal question and sexual desire and the differences between men and women,
the way of organizing life and thoughts, there I understand that Esther works it,
no, because in the states of mind there are also hormonal alterations,
let' s say the sluggishness, the apathy and so many, here there
is punch cloth to learn and catch up. It talks about reproduction and birth
control, which is also interesting. These themes sometimes in our homes, in
our comforts we do not touch much or nothing. Yes, yes, yes,
there is also a chapter, there is a very important section on adopted
children and the subject of mind control. But we come to a moment that
can also go unnoticed, but that is the u used or the cause of
many conflicts in the Conjugal life or in the family together in the office,
which is the administrative life of the couple. This issue is important to talk
to us a little bit about. Well, it' s a topic,
as you well said too, that carries its pressure when we live together and
when each one has or comes also with the idea of individual or personal.
When we get married and have a project in common, we have to agree
on many things and on one of them and basics, the economy, how
we spend, how we invest, how we keep it and how we give
tools and suggestions on how to grow more together. In this topic do not
notice that always laid motive, although we are passing by home, is always
growing, but not growing but growing more together, for example, in money.
What is happening and what we have seen for a long time, which
we are also doing and presenting the seminar of orientation to marriage, which is
the seminar of preparation for those who are to be married, and we always
talk to them about the money, then we say, and here also the
topic of budgets, that the money is to be spent according to an agreed
budget of the couple. But we always say that every money that comes into
the house is family money and today it is done the opposite. You have
a common expense account and you each have your own account, your own income,
and you don' t account for anyone, anything, anyone, not
least the couple or their husband or wife for what you' re earning.
So this is no longer a growth according to our judgment, it is no
longer a growth. Together there is something all together, but then the other
thing, each one goes his own way and we believe that this does not
help us. More points have to be made. Any money that comes into
the house, the family money must be managed and it must be managed under
a budget that must be agreed earlier by the couple. That' s where
the issues go, and the case study also goes in a tense situation on
this money issue, which in this section, in the July office, in
a place where one' s trust with the other is evidenced to touch money,
trust, transparency, there' s nothing to hide. What I receive
and what you receive, as Victor said, is from the common family fund.
And it seems that on the economic issue trust brings us problems. And
it is the place, I repeat, where it is said this justly.
Yes, yes, yes, Wow, How much I want to recommend to
our listeners the book that is already released the publication of editorial clie In in
the voice and pens of Victor Mirons Esparranama, Esther Martínez, Eduardo Brasier,
a great quartet good, complement each other in everything by growing more together a
guide for couples today and we are addressing nothing a section, the succinct of
each of the ten chapters that the book has and we talked about this,
but we move on to the chapter together on the terrace. There is the
time of a place for emotions, emotionality and emotion, with its highs and
lows, in human life, true, also in the couple, in the
family. And as this also affects us, it is not but also in
the body, to say, emotions also affect us the idea of knowing how
to accept ourselves in this area. And also, because there is just one
issue and that is not very important, that is to be faced, that
is the intermittent explosive disorder, which is now in these very defined disorders.
Then she plays it well, because sometimes there are people who are explosive and
copio porrazo, they are quiet of a brin and it explodes not and of
course, the other one is surprised what happens here and then the terrace does
not know whether to go out to look the neighbor or to throw you on
the terrace, then she plays well is it plays it in a fantastic way.
Not how the unexpected that happens every day in life can dislodge us and
how we react, how we control this and be able to speak things in
a calm and serene way. Also here Eduardo, I think it is in
this chapter that speaks yes of a marriage night. Yes, Eduardo, in
all the chapters, Eduardo has an ease, a gift to extract from the
Bible a couple and place it in the theme that we are touching, that
we ourselves that hallucinated and enjoyed a lot when together we shared what each one
contributed from Eduardo, we learned a lot because, especially those that we have,
because the good not, the good custom, the need to get close
to the Bible and learn from it. There are many couples in situation,
so you are in all these rooms that we are commenting on, and Eduardo
gives them to us in a fantastic way. Really. That' s why
I noticed if he married anonymously and I named, according to my imagination,
Victor. No, no, no good. I put the character Peter,
who seems to pass from that as if he were an individualistic man who does
not appear good, but appears Jesus healthy to the mother- in- law
of Peter was married. He also lived in Capernaun Jesus was staying in his
house, his wife attended him and Peter was a very emotional, very,
very characteristically, very powerful or very angry guy. So and so. But
the addition is very charismatic at the same time, but very emotional. If
you see him in tre showsent in the series, Pedro fights in the sense
of disco with others, but in depth, that is, he is very
emotional. Very this is the character and I imagined here in this scene he
and his wife, So, in good suggestions we will go to is.
In our case, for example, when we do welcome, we decide welcome
home, it' s like we' re doing an orientation, a counseling,
but with a coffee in between, that is, a formal thing but,
but then we always present if you see if we do as a summary
of the point, for example, in this case it' s how we
express our emotions. There' s a summary of the point. Then we
put ourselves on the scene, that is, we present them to a couple
in this case, because they happen, I think it is Raúl Isabel and
they have a situation. Then we describe it, the situation and then,
focusing on the orientation and saying so, they enter our house, so to
speak, in our office, our counseling, and then we focus on them,
we talk to them, that is, it is the first interaction,
which is what brings them, which is the situation they have. We therefore
try to ask questions and guide them in their situation and propose some concrete solutions.
No one leaves cured, because this is a session and it would take
more, but more or less. Here too we give guidelines in all the
councils so that some counselors can follow some of these guidelines and find themselves in
situations similar to those in front of them. And then the MPS will come.
No marriage, so where are you, then you have to communicate.
You' re here. We' ll know if they work or not.
If we apply them. Sure, sure, okay, sure, so that
' s when they have real courage we get here. If we get there,
don' t go ahead. Not that I say we usually end counseling,
because we give them some Bible principles or the word of God that we
want advice that normally will come from proverbs other places that can apply them if
they are Christians, for we usually end up asking God to intervene in this
area, if we don' t always suggest at the end in the MPS
that if it is appropriate for them to talk to God regarding that subject,
if we always try to lead them to a situation also profound of making decisions
and presenting it if they are believers And if not, then also that they
discover it and see that God is much more interested in them, in their
health and committed to their health and happiness than themselves, and I think that
is important. I very much like chapter eight together in the Community, which
there are several aspects and even seen of some philosophical ideas within what is necessary
spirituality and the sense of belonging to the Community, also to the community of
the local church, as a host community also in the solidarity, social humanitarian
part, which are in the adn of all, also we. But this
is the issue of the relationship of the family, of the couple with the
community, in the community of faith is also important our good yes and so
important that we have put it. I do not think that all couples,
all of them who say no, also need support and also to feel part
of others who are in the same process as we in the Community. We
find this, other couples, other marriages, other families from which I can
learn, from which I can even ask the Council and the Community. It
' s also where one of the roads is, not the only one,
where I get it, too. There we are all exposed together in a
recognition of God that he created us and it is something that we also do
together as marriage, going to the Church or to the Community and where we
can, in some way, express our needs also before God and others.
We can be of help to other marriages, with our testimony, with our
example, with our way of life, and we also encourage them in this
that now I remember well the case of study, but it seems to me
that it is a couple that is a little isolated and one of the themes
that we present to them is that they are also part of the Community and
we also launch the idea of groups of marriages that they find themselves, not
because people lack friendship and lack good friendships, those groups of marriages that sometimes
form in comedies just for example. Now it is only an example giving home
to take this book and read it among several marriages totally and comment because,
in fact, the questions of the maris Position syste matrimony position exist, because
it is intended for this can be individual level or can be applied calmly in
a group profile more or less if the one who coordinates the group has a
minimum of experience and but rather contact us that we will tell you how truth.
But that can be applied to you like this, is serir, the
idea that you don' t just live that you a marriage. You are
not alone on an island that you are Robins are Crusoe, that you are
alone there, on an island that is called society, but quite the opposite.
Work with others and live with others. This book can, if you
can, forgive me. This book can be used as you say, but
very pertinently in groups. By chapters he said da has a subject to work
it in perfect groups, that is, that we encourage our listeners that if
they are going to achieve it either in their life groups or in their local
churches, they can propose it. Yes it is eska yes. I wasn
' t going to mention just in this chapter where Edward speaks of here the
epistilation of this marriage that had a common project, as marriage, apart from
the purpose of personal life of each one, a common project and a spirit
of tremendous service to the Community and we see how God uses them, his
gifts to bless so many people things, to use his house, his house
and it is four continents when we see them where vanbren open is always an
example for all trini In addition, they have the paradigm that we can see
in many things here the and Priscilla is also the role of women in life,
not that of men and women are among equals in the dynamics of life.
So, I' ll bet you' ll see that that' s
coming to an end. Or not, no no no? Don' t
you? Don' t you? Not true of us. No this no,
no, no I had not sent it my that I am saying at
that time, at that time book It was that time because when we speak
of here the pristion, that is to say who is one and who is
another. Almost, of course, they' re both going to one.
Not that I have a very bad joke Julio, well, I point out
to me here and I point to Seska here the prisoner, the pool is
oval, but visually it looks better here. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, hey, no, but it' s important. Words
are not casual. In the new Testament and more at the time when it
was written, giving preference, clear in Roman culture, there was another disposition
also in the Greek Roman culture at the time, but in what is the
Christian atmosphere and the religious atmosphere, this was almost marginalized. Not the woman
with the lead. The woman, then, is not casual, it is
not random that to the Tuntun who writes it Paul. Paul knows what he
writes again and again Here he had it, that is, it means when
in the family relationship or Conyugal the roles of each one are affected, of
course, but that perhaps, the woman has a natural role in some aspects
that the man does not have in communication or in something and that then one
does not feel minus, valued or complexed, that is, well the woman
seems to mean this, it is important to also discover this. Yeah.
Besides, in the case, yes, I can do a quick digression.
In the case of the two of them, it can be seen that here
it was more Jewish. When there is an emperor who applauded them, who
expels the Jews, expels them. Aquila was Jewish, but it seems that
Priscilla came from a well- Roman house because of the fact that it was
a large house and it is seen that she was the owner, that see,
then she was a highly prepared and high society woman. Then here we
can begin to elaborate. A lot of this researched and it seems that this
one goes around the topics and the important thing is that each one carried the
strong part of each one that was perfectly complemented and together they were a bomb.
Yes, ma' am, yes, the truth is, yes,
well, we' re already moving towards the end, together, to the
end. This is a self- assertion. Not cohabitation for years, not
clauding, not giving up and adjusting pieces in the puzzle is spoken of the
indispensable tenderness always until the end as a recurring experience, the empty nest,
etcetera, etcetera. And then the example of hugging and Sara that did become
old, not together. And besides, waiting for great, great things of
God. No. I think I' m leaving here. I think we
' re all four of us, because we' ve been married for a
few years now. I don' t know if it' s forty-
thirty- one years, forty- seven, forty- seven. We and
we project here, say, together, it continues to grow together, to
where, to the end. Not as there is a song of the divo
that we love about this musical group that also sings these patterns, that one
will die by the covid the one that was part of the Spanish one,
precisely of them by death. But there' s a song that says to
my end. Says I promise you love, until my end, I mean,
not until mine? Since I die and I don' t, he
can' t promise you anymore, no, but even mine can? It
' s a beautiful song to hear as a marriage. And well, there
it is until the end, until the end, and of course there will
be my faces. Yeah, yeah, and then we get case yeah.
I' m saying that the case we' re presenting is curious, because
it' s a case of an older marriage that we don' t know
if they' re going to meet or not, but they pose, they
' ve grown older, the kids have gone home and now it says good,
and now what we do and how we' re going to stand.
But each has different interests. We have respected each other more or less dearly
so far, but why we do not know different paths and without being great
things, without making great external mistakes. The big mistake is that they don
' t want to make it to the end together. So it' s
a curious approach, with no happy ending or either because we don' t
know how. As the story has ended, but there it is reflected that
it is a situation that occurs a lot in people of a similar age to
ours. Yes, well, yes, we do give guidance. And the
last chapter, and it' s another good thing, the last chapter is
very endearing. Together in our memories, Seska' s parents, Victor'
s parents, Edward' s parents and Esther' s parents, and each
of us knew practically everyone except Edward' s and Esther' s, of
course, as well as yours. And the truth is that you portray him
there and let him know that you would be good to see. I think
it' s a book It' s like our last memories. Not the
book, the book as our last memories. So to speak. And the
last chapter is a way that we say the four, honor our parents in
some way and explain, because the testimony, the story or something that stood
out in his life and that splashed us so much, because we wanted to
put it on a role and make it public so that God also used it,
because there are four stories, that of our parents wou very powerful,
very powerful. All the stories are powerful and I' ve been careful sometimes
when you put them on a paper you realize how intense this life has been.
No, but in our case we are very happy to have put this
chapter at the end and honor our parents is called the beautiful thing that we
all have memories and we must be together in our memories also share them.
But here the subject, if you' ve read it and if we tell
people, it' s a whole different chapter. There' s no Maria
here, Exposition Syster. There' s nothing here about all this, there
' s no more, there' s no counseling. Here' s the
idea of honoring. And besides, when we start, notice that first Seska
' s parents start, that' s the fidelity to sharing their faith and
that' s what you know pretty well. They were my spiritual godfathers.
Or yes, I did live it up close for that, that' s
why. But the interesting thing is then come my parents who, without knowing
it, they were faithful in opening their home in the disciple, that is,
among other people, the ones my parents welcomed were Seska' s parents,
and there we met in our childhood for it, for them, not
for our parents. There' s a connection there. But then you go
next to Eduardo, who is not, because he is linked to this one.
But if you look if it' s the one with the ester there,
you' ll see that we' re going out, too. I
go out because and well, Esther' s father and my father were very,
very, very friends and today I was going to spend the holidays right
in the village, all the quality, where was the father of this pastor
who was in the end you did not have the tru and there we established
a childhood friendship. So here are some links that have now been translated into
the future, after so many years of working together, it has been translated,
therefore, into this book and above all into something very important, that
we have not only grown in age in relation, but also this book has
helped us to grow more together as brothers and as friends. And I think
this is one for us. The best result has been to deepen our friendship
with Eduardo and with this one we do have a lot of how beautiful,
well, they are magnificent, the truth that yes. Besides, they'
re on such a rich trajectory. He doesn' t hear what a quartet,
which is that to enjoy it, yes danger is yes, no no,
but you have brought us many things. Thank you so much with so
much fervor and enthusiasm and that spark that conveys essence of life hears. I
know that, in addition to the fact that this book is going to be
presented in different forums shortly here in Barcelona, you have a meeting for grandparents.
We' re talking about grandparents that I want to be there. I
also don' t know if you can have copies of the book at that
meeting. Well, we would have to talk about it possibly clearly to see
we don' t want to shadow the speaker who gives the talk at this
meeting, that that Felix Ortiz, who is going to talk about how if
we know, you know the world in which your grandchildren live, and then
he' s going to talk to us about this and he' s going
to bring a book that talks about values and very good and we' re
going to promote it. Maybe we' ll leave this one there if someone
wants and asks us, we' ll talk it over with the organizers if
they let us have this book. There is one thing also in the book
below, in the entry biography there is also an email. We' ve
put only one is mine. If people want to contact us to give their
opinion or ask for more books, or I don' t know more than
to give, apart from the editorial, also give a moment' s contact
with someone so they can write or tell us some opinion that we would like.
Those who have received it. I think even at the beginning of everything
they' ve received or read, because they can give us your opinion.
Your testimony. Yeah, well, it' s on the page, well
after our presentation, what before the dedication is there, I think it'
s created and if he' s not in the edition we' ve done
here so yours isn' t. But yes, yes, he will be.
Yeah, perfect. If I remember, you remember me, you say
it in a loud voice. There I suddenly see interesting, wait. Victor,
yes, Victor throws family to family. Point is Victor robbing to steal
that family stuff. There are two family doses to families. Point It'
s there is good, of course. Yeah. I also don' t
know if you want us to give you a cell phone. Yeah, yeah,
but I know it' s hard to aim, but I' m
going to repeat it several times. Is it six, six, seven,
six, zero, five, seven, four, four? Repeat, six,
six, seven, six, zero, five, seven, four,
four? Books can' t order in bookstores. I guess they' re
coming out now,' cause the book came out this week 22nd before yesterday
Tuesday. Then he' s gonna get to the bookstores. You can ask.
If they don' t, if they don' t have it yet,
they' ll ask for it. Cliel will put it, because in
all its distributors, both here and in Hispanoamerica or in the United States,
in the distributors that have at Hispanic level, and also those that want to
ask us, because they can write to Víctor Arroba from family to family,
it is or call us to mobile the six, seven, six, five,
seven, four, four. Great. Well, nothing, and that
' s all right Well, thank you very much for giving us all this
time we' ve done a tour of the house. We' ve come
from start to finish, but well, we' ve been tiptoeing. Uh,
because we picked a little thing that went here, there' s a
lot of loyalty. You don' t have to spoil. Of course,
of course. Of course, you have to read it. This is not
a book that is enjoyed, uh honestly, and it' s more,
I think it provides us with a whole guide, a road map to work
it out, at group level, at the personal level. It' s
a very rich book. This book doesn' t have to go unnoticed.
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the train of life. Ladies and gentlemen, here we are in the colors
of life, sometimes ochre colors also that speak of conflicts, but that have
the resolution of conflicts, that have the answer. That' s how the
doctor prescribes a medical indication and we don' t throw it away then.
Of course, the problem will perhaps continue to cronify or worsen, but here
it resolves disagreements and family conflicts. This is something we also need to learn.
It seems that we know everything, even those who have training in different
fields we do not believe ourselves, perhaps unconsciously. I do not say that
some consciously self- sufficient and no. We do not have to relearn and
learn humility and also assertiveness and communication. One of the points of reference by
which the temporal periods in the way of life of today' s society are
measured are the different holiday periods, especially distributed throughout the year, winter holidays
or spring holidays and also summer holidays. They are usually the three moments in
which families intensify their coexistence, including contact with those cousins with whom we do
not usually contact in the rest of the year, or those guys who live
far away and with whom we do not relate more than at Christmas or Summer,
for example. In any case there is an equation that is written in
our family life over and over again on repeated occasions, holidays, more extraordinary
expenses, more family reunions, conflicts equal to conflicts in the worst cases of
disagreements, disagreements and other uncomfortable situations, family conflicts, disagreements, disagreements and
diverse situations. Perhaps because, in many cases, the most intense contact they
produce on vacation, coupled with the widespread stress that this extraordinary consumption of family
time produces in these periods act as triggers. It seems that since we do
not see ourselves so intensely there, it seems that there comes a moment that
comes out all the good and not so good and bring out conflicts and disagreements
that have been in lethargy throughout the year. We wondered if it might be
interesting to resolve some family misalignments so we wouldn' t find them the following
year. That is why today the issue is resolving disagreements and family conflicts with
the clinical century Daniel gaso here in the colors of life. Good morning,
dear, dear friend, dear, Daniel, Good morning, Julio and all
those who listen to us as always a pleasure to get on the train.
We talked about this issue by resolving disagreements and family conflicts. Today, perhaps
first of all, we should ask ourselves, Daniel, what exactly is a
disagreement, although we seem to know well, I don' t know if
we know so well. Yeah, yeah, that' s right. It
' s true July. Sometimes we think we' re clear, but it
' s not really that clear definitely that the image we would like would be
a distant or peaceful horizon, without experience, without conflict, in the middle
of an idyllic landscape, etcetera. It is a very reassuring and very desirable
vision. But what makes us grow and develop, become what we are and
perhaps make ourselves even worthy of that holiday print are the problems and overcoming those
problems, especially when those problems are in the family environment, there is no
place for greater growth. There are yung that most perfect for growth and development
both personal and group as well as family environment. It is also true that
not all problems. Not all conflicts and disagreements have brought with them great achievements
and growths, or everything has to be said, so it is then what
transforms a problem or conflict into something harmful, into a good tool, perhaps
that favors personal growth, because in the end that would be the exact desirable,
because look. I believe that the difference is in the way we face
it or overcome it, that is, that the key would be in how
to define well what we understand by disagreements helps us not to fall into some
traps, for example, considering that conflict itself is a bad thing and that
is why the best option is to avoid it. At all costs. There
are people who live in constant tension all day long and all day long to
avoid conflicts. And that' s our solution. Nor does that mean that
we do not face the problem or the problems. So, let' s
not fix them. And so, what we do is to continue to experience
the consequences of that problem because we do not face it, because our goal,
we think, is to avoid it. It also helps us to avoid
thinking about having a clear definition, to avoid thinking that the person has something
against us, because we are the conflict and not the specific situation or attitude.
What it does, because it makes us live every aspect, to negotiate
or every agreement, to agree as an attack on our person, as something
personal and not as an option of change to improve the situation, which is
really what a conflict must be. Therefore, it would be, because it
would be the situation of discordance or disagreement that exists between the tendencies, thoughts,
ideas, etc, interest or interests of someone and the impositions or external
impositions. That' s what would be in conflict. Sure, well,
well, it' s a very clear definition. Conflicts are bad or family
problems are unwanted, surely not, but bad. Or they contain something,
something positive in the background, because, as the famous song says, depends
on whether we are willing to work and manage them or not. It'
s a conflict. It' s bad if we' re willing to just
run away from him. That' s sure to be bad. That'
s not good, it' s not positive, because they don' t
generate growth or anything. It only generates flight and escape the crisis, conflict
or problem has the name that it presents itself as a place of growth and
personal and group advancement, part of a perfect, fantastic opportunity to learn or,
to face and manage future problems also in other groups, making us more
autonomous and assertive. That is what is really a conflict and therefore that is
not a bad thing, it is a good thing. In that sense,
they become bad when, therefore, when conflicts are avoided or badly solved,
in reality, our culture educates us. It' s funny, Julio,
because he' s a partner He was thinking that our culture educates us to
manage happiness or well- being, but not to manage adversity and disappointment.
It' s funny, but we are a culture that is used and educated
to manage happiness and comfort, so we grow by developing very little tolerance to
disappointment and conflict in relationships, especially, in other words, we generally have
or have very thin skin. We don' t realize that, but since
we' re not used to not having let' s say it like that,
we obsess focusing on what we don' t have and disfocusing on how
much we do have. And we' re not talking about material things.
I also refer to the emotional and relational fields. For example, I don
' t have enough admiration, I don' t have enough success. I
don' t think I' m feeling well. Don' t you think
enough about me et cetera, et cetera? Many times if we focus on
what I don' t have, many times the typical family conflicts remain in
time because we strive to maintain a sort of internal warehouse where we keep all
the things that others have done wrong with us. It is that masters to
do we bring it up to date in maintenance is perfectly up to date.
However, we forget to keep abreast of all the things that others do for
us and do not even think about the record of all the things that we
ourselves do wrong with others. That would probably help us put things a little
bit more into perspective and what the situation is. Perhaps we couldn' t
possibly have the conflict so serious or so difficult or so complicated. Or we
wouldn' t see that what others have done to us or we are so
serious, because we would see that we have done wrong to others in many
things, and at the same time, those others who have done us wrong
are many of the caphons have also done good things to us. Okay,
yeah, yeah, yeah, geez, how many, how many questions we
unravel and how many aspects of a question of disagreements and conflicts to find guidelines.
First do an analysis, as Daniel Gasso, the psychologist, is doing
about the nature of conflicts, and then we' ll look at some guidelines.
Let us also speak first of the conflicts, that is, Daniel,
those situations that involve me and another all are, in essence, very similar
really so that all are solved more or less the same way or very similar,
because the truth is that, although they are very similar in many things,
all the conflict between them people have very, very, very similar components
in many aspects. But there is no standard conflict or list of conflicts.
But it is true that there are alarms and behaviors that can be potentially conflicting.
For example, inflexibility. That produces safe conflict, insubmission by system or
not as the first answer for everything. Okay, I don' t want
to, I don' t want to, I don' t like anything.
It is worth the absolute not without reason, that is, no,
but without reason, because isolation that is another of the things that favors conflict,
the overprotection attention there, especially the parents, the overprotection or the paternalistic
attitudes and control here in the first area, in the first aspect, the
overprotection of the children. We have already said this many times when I overprotect
my son, although I do so with all my heart to prevent him from
actually suffering the message he receives is te. I consider it so inept that
I have to do it for you, because I know you will do it
wrong. Let us think a lot about that, above all and of course,
that creates conflict situations. Then, paternalistic attitudes, which can be with
groups with employees, among senior employees, among family and acquaintance groups and friends,
etcetera. Taking a paternalistic attitude is neither the solution nor the attitude of
that control, especially in the area of the family and specifically in marriage,
nor do things favor. Then they have more selflessness or indifference. That'
s the opposite side. If control is on one side, disinterest or indifference
is on the other. Both sides are drawbacks and generate conflicts and lack of
response. Of course, it is, that is, to know the difference
between interpersonal thermoflict and what internal conflict is very important. It is very common
to find problems of self- esteem, depression and social adaptation, academic problems,
etc, for example, in adolescent children, in young people who occur
after a avoided or poorly solved family conflict. That also happens sometimes we think
or we focus with good is that our son, our daughter, has a
bad result. It is very close to what could be defined as school failure.
He' s suspended a lot of GOP subjects, etcetera. And we
often don' t want to focus on solving that. But perhaps the trigger
of that has nothing to do with anything in the school or academic arena.
Sometimes it is a conflict at the family level, at the rational level,
that is poorly closed, that has not been closed well and that brings such
repercussions. All of this implies that when a conflict is not properly treated,
this is what makes it internalized. I would even say that even in many
cases, hiding inside the person and going out when there is like a crash,
when there is another situation that triggers it. Well, we' re
moving on. But what happens to adults exactly the same thing happens, because
it really does, especially in family conflicts. In the adult field. It
is important to keep in mind that if an emotional reaction to a conflict that
seems to always seem out of place or exaggerated or disorbited. In many cases,
what it is doing is to show that there is a misunderstanding of the
problem or the accumulated discomfort of previous conflicts that have not been resolved. I
mean, often the problem is that we lack information. It' s really
not a lack of information about something. In this case we must be patient
and not be carried away by the reaction of the other, as it has
little to do with the conflict situation itself. How emotionally emotionally? More economical
is to deal with and talk many times about the emotional economy, the most
economic, emotionally, is to try to help the other to truly express what
is hurting him of the situation and what he thinks we are asking, demanding
or demanding, rather than entering directly into the Tennis Party. But for you,
but note, for me, the best thing we can do is stop
for a moment, I think, and lose the person. Please explain to
me what something can really do so that you can explain to me what you
are understanding, what I ask of you, what I demand of you,
what I demand of you, etcetera, etcetera. And let' s talk
about that explains what' s going on in here. Well, how could
we also prevent such conflicts and within the family. Daniel, because the first
thing we should forget in July is that you have the objective of avoiding the
presence of conflicts in the family. As we said at the beginning, it
is impossible and I would dare say that it would almost be insane. A
family with no conflict is a scenario where there are no disagreements or disagreements,
and that can only mean two things. Basically or there is no communication,
on the one hand, and we live just by sharing space, either there
is someone who imposes his vision and everyone else is banned and devastated and neither
of the assumptions will be an emotional or relationally healthy scenario. I mean,
it can be these two things. Either, on the one hand, communication
is null and void we simply share space, or there is someone who dictates
what is done here, what I say and nothing else, without any other
kind of nuance And obviously, there are no conflicts, because there is no
one who dares to raise his voice and decide disagree. Then we need to
strive to be consistent with our way of acting and speaking. We cannot wait
for the other to be consistent to be us. Then, it is best
to have the initiative of being coherent in things. We must move forward with
that initiative. Being patient helps tolerance and respect for others. Let' s
remember the best way to demand respect is by giving the first thing. It
is so clear and this is plagued in the same scriptures. Worthy of making
you be plagued with that one and behaving to others. Like you would want
the others to do with you. That' s not a religious principle,
it' s a principle of life. It really is a principle of life
to listen with a attention seeking not to misunderstand. We do that many times,
not to interpret, but to interpret. But whenever we interpret without asking
for sufficient clarification or having enough information, we end up misinterpreting and, as
we always say, trying to put them in each other' s shoes no
matter how loaded we seem to be. But even if you think you'
re right, try to put yourself in each other' s shoes, because
you may find that he also has a lot of other important things, to
maintain clear values and rules that do not lead to confusion and are respected by
all of us, the first at home, we maintain values, in principles
and rules that we must all respect and as they are clear, because there
is no doubt to learn to take the initiative in problems, for example,
trying to solve them and provide solutions, that is, as the famous phrase
says, either you are part of the solution or you are part of the
problem. Let us remember that disagreements and conflicts or we are reactive, that
we have talked about on other occasions. Or we' re very reactive.
Or we' re proactive, I mean, we' re looking. Let
us not be guided by what others have done to us or have told us,
but we take the initiative to act in search of solutions. And that
simply depends on a decision that we make or decide to react, or say
or act then show our affection for others with our attitude. That' s
important. There' s no distance a good hug can' t cover.
That' s the truth, and more in the family environment, to LaBar
when some family member looked, so that' s not just for fathers or
mothers. We have to learn to show admiration to people and say it many
times and we always tend to say what they' re doing wrong, and
we do there' s a fasis in what they' re doing wrong,
but because at least in the same proportion we don' t tell them what
they' re doing right and we congratulate ourselves or congratulate them on that then
get used to and ask forgiveness for mistakes. Another important thing in maintaining family
conversations and time of cohabitation in a systematic way, that is to say to
keep it always present. I do not mean that we have to do that
every day from eight to eight or forty- five, but that we systematically
keep in mind that in our minds we need to have or not to have
closed the day without having had a small time of communication, creating situations of
family fun. It is also important to take care of the environment and at
the individual level and to avoid charging us and giving the store of bad records
that then explode when it is teleno to overflow and there is an uncontrolled explosion
or emotional ventilation, that is to say, to keep the accounts short,
not to wait to give our warehouse and when it is ready to be crowded,
at the point of exposure, then to open the door and to leave
all the horse riding above, well, and how many things to prevent conflicts
in the family area, how many practical guidelines our friend Daniel is giving us
this morning and how we could avoid reaching also an emotional explosion situation, also
that could happen, because yes, it is true that this happens many times,
precisely because we said before, because we kept in the warehouse for a
long time. We try to avoid conflicts, because we misunderstand what a conflict
is, we misinterpret the situation, we try to avoid it until we believe
that we are already bursting, because we can no longer. First of all,
we should make a small effort to reflect on a question that may seem
obvious to many of Julio' s listeners to ask them what is really going
on. Many times, the problem is not that we are upset because someone
forgot, maybe bring the drink to the family scene or anything else like that
or someone forgets to bring the desserts or whatever they forgot, put them in
the fridge or whatever, but because it is the person who almost always forgets
and already did it to us last year. That' s what generates the
problem, the discomfort in us. We' re not really if that happens.
We are not really reacting to something that happened to what happened now,
but something that happened a year ago and that we kept in our warehouse of
unresolved conflicts and grievances. But the real problem with what' s happened is
that we don' t have enough booze for everyone. Or that desserts aren
' t in the fridge and that' s, in fact, what we
should focus on now the present, without adding to last year' s outstanding
resentment, because that should have been closed a year ago. One of the
things that can help us first to think about not maintaining that activity, because
that attitude stigmatizes people, frames us, typifies us and that is not interesting.
But one of the things that can help us is also to work individually
to develop the habit of acting preventively. What I mean, because when I
feel a little charged and my call of grievances, it starts to get my
attention, that is, I start getting more irritable normal for anything, etcetera,
etcetera. It may be a list of the things my family has done
for me in recent times. It is up to each the period to be
taken into account. Of course, that' s up to everyone, but
we all see that I know the last year, for example, and also
an honest list. Of course, being honest about all the things I'
ve done wrong with those people. Once with both lists present us and remember
that the presence to see the two lists, that is, of the things
that they have done well for me and the things that I have done wrong
for them, proves that we are imperfect people, all that we love each
other imperfectly, and that helps us to be a little more tolerant of the
cases, the things that we have done wrong with us. And most likely,
in view of those two lists, if we are already crafting to abuse
the Christ, it would be to draw up a third list of things that
others have done wrong with us, it will end up looking smaller or less
serious. I mean, let' s end up with the list of grievances.
Let' s do it in the end. First let us keep two
other things in mind, and surely when we look at the third list we
will say clearly, because the truth is that it is not so important.
This reflection is also interesting, but prejudiced attitudes and judgments of intent are other
factors that also trigger family problems. No Daniel, for in fact, so
it is many times we judge the intentions of others even without having enough information
about what has happened in their inner world. If we judge the other person
' s intentions and rely on it in that judgment that we have made,
without further information to plan the relationship with the other, we run the risk
of answering and reacting to the intentions that we believe the other has and we
lose sight of our true objectives and we are certain to be wrong in addition,
because none of us has the ability to be within the other person'
s mind and heart. In this way we can bequeath to being aggressive or
passive, that is, if they have done something that hurt us and we
think they have done it with good intentions, we can be tempted to let
it go, that is, excused, say well, well, we are
not going to have to talk about it and not say anything. But instead,
we feel hurt and upset. And that' s where it goes to
the grievance store. Why, because we don' t treat him. But
if we judge, for example, that they have done it with bad intent,
we will attack their evil in quotation marks and not the facts, and
then how we will be rather aggressive hostile. Wanting the other to recognize how
wrong he is and submit completely to my wishes can be an emotional goal to
compensate for the humiliation we have felt. But that' s really the purpose.
That' s what we have to do. It makes sense that there
' s a winner and a loser. This solves the conflict, because the
loser is not going to stay or he' s going to confirm himself to
be the loser, he' s going to save his loss and come out
another time. That is, the solution is not that there is an entrepreneurial
winner. I won because I' m right. You' ve lost because
you don' t have it good, because maybe on that occasion you do,
but it' s the keeper and that doesn' t solve anything.
One thing we can do to keep our family relationships healthy, to consider how
much we know our relatives and to gather information about them, their illusions,
their desertions, their tastes, their dreams, their struggles, etcetera, etcetera.
A patient Julio, if I may be, I' ll comment on
a patient I asked permission to. Of course, he previously prepared a questionnaire
that he did in these days of family meetings and meetings to do to others.
And I challenged him to focus on others because this felt hurt, something
wronged, and I threw away the challenge of focusing on others and focusing on
knowing them rather than focusing on what they have done wrong there. To you
and if you allow me to share some of those questions, not all because
I was smart that he did, it was very long and really very interesting,
but some because in the end those encounters became something really fun and it
was kind of a family game and it was a very rewarding experience for everyone.
For example, one of the questions was what is your favorite food and
what is the least you like that you would never eat in life. Second
thing, you didn' t do what you would have liked to do.
Another thing, what would have been the mistake you' ve made, that
made you redder is worth it. I' m going to be perhaps paused
to take note of those who want a little bit to apply those questions or
variations of those. Another thing, what you would like to devote more time
to, what a hobby you would have liked to have and that, in
the end you haven' t had. How do you look from here ten
years, how would you like to see what has been the best or the
best times of your life, what values more of a few people, what
is your best virtue and your worst flaw, what superpower would you like to
have? I find this especially amusing. What super power would you like if
you were an animal, what animal would you be, What is the mood
you like least, the one you like the most, type of person would
be afraid of. What' s the biggest crazy thing you' ve ever
done. What would be a good title for your biography, your autobiography.
What most people should think about you and it' s not true. I
mean things you think most people think about you, but you know it'
s not entirely true. How you would describe yourself with the phrase. I
' m trying to describe you with a sentence. That' s a good
game. So I encourage those who listen to us to try to ask those
questions as if it were a family game and they will see that it is
really fun and uplifting. That' s good, how interesting I was asking
myself those same questions every time I was reading them and how you would describe
yourself with a good phrase, as a realistic dreamer. And that' s
a good definition, fantastic, description and besides, I totally believe it.
Yes, yes, yes and well And to measure here you are talking,
because it is a very interesting self test, very interesting to put the mirror
in front of us and perhaps to resituate ourselves in some things truth, these
yes, that is how it helps us now to situate ourselves and also to
know that others also feel, need, think, experience and that they are,
like us, imperfect and that we have learned to live with that imperfection,
even to celebrate it because so one. It doesn' t feel like
a weirdo, just like that. If we are sincere and honest, we
realize that discovering that we are surrounded by imperfect people like ourselves, who face
the same conflicts and problems. That will help us to fulfill a principle that
is also the gospels. To laugh with those who laugh and cry with those
who pray to him. That is how he is friend, ladies and gentlemen,
because we are already pleased to bid farewell to our good friend Daniel,
a very affectionate hug, equally a very strong hug of Julio until always,
friend, you even always travel on the train of life. I miss you
already, and you' re still home. I don' t know if
what happens to me happens to you. You tell me everything, even if
you' re quiet because a look says more than a word, I already
miss you, even if you' re so close, there' s still
the bed hot and scrambled. We said everything, we didn' t say
anything, we never argued, but we got angry. Take the sorrows you
' ve kept from the past, take the joy you lived here by my
side, take away the pad of resignation that doesn' t make po,
take away the many, the excuses and the pretext And before crossing the door,
if you want it to go well, save me a space to leave
me too and I already miss you. It wasn' t a threat.
You didn' t miss dreams and we were far away. We told each
other everything and we said nothing, we never argued, but they don'
t look for rage. Take me the pains you kept from passing takes you
the alevia that you lived here to look at Take the letter of Renon and
that you have given us up, Take away the many fibre excuses of these
and before crossing the door, if you want it to go well, keep
me slowly to go also to leave it also every day, same from home,
from work to home, to the hospital, to the cemetery. More
than seventy percent of accidents at work are road accidents, to the hirio,
on returning from work and routine does not protect you from them. Your most
urgent job is to stay alive On your part, General Traffic Directorate, Ministry
of the Interior, Government of Spain, the project to study in the United
States and teach them how to play football are Emilio and Raúl and one of
them has schizophrenia, but their dreams, like those of anyone, have no
limits. Let' s not put them on us. Integration is always the
best response for the social inclusion of people with mental health problems. Ministry of
Health, Social Services for Equality, Government of Spain. Juan invests 180 euros
a month in suffering. Alberto invests 200 euros in extortion. Carlos invests 150
euros in kidnappings. Every time you pay you' re investing in extortion mafias
quitting, helping them out, don' t invest in suffering against trafficking in
women. A Government of Spain is aware of this. If you want to
visit our website, the www. The train of life, of life is
much or good, because we go there we go there I already have my
half, is waiting for my warning and Alfonso Guevara is yes. That'
s where we got him in the bud. Well, I' ll tell
you who Alfonso Guevara is. Alfonso Guevara has been in the pastoral ministry for
forty- one years. There is nah has served in the pastorate in California
and Miami and has now begun posturing a herd in Texas, Dallas. He
' s a man who opens roads and well, he' s a very
experienced pastor. Also, a man with a shepherd’ s heart and has
written very well about this. He has worked in the Christian publishing world and
is the author of books that pastors can read with great interest. A great
book of truth that does win the prize because the book really deserves it for
its contributions to the pastoral ministry and the life of the pastor. How not
for everyone you know. I know that now there are many more pastors or
women of pastors or elders, of Christian communities who are listening to us already
take note, do not take note. And the truth is that there is
all that, because I remind you, this is what Alfonso Guevara has written
in recent years. Alfonso has given conferences workshops and many, training thousands of
pastors and leaders in institutes, theological seminars and so on, in summits and
pastoral conferences. Today he is presenting us with a good book, a book
also very striking and with the style that characterizes him literary, that he writes
well. And you know when someone writes well, if they don' t
write very well, I omit, I don' t say anything, but
when they write well it' s worth it, because the narrative involves you.
Not then. Today we are presented with his recent book Jesus in a
whole proposal to give Lord Jesus the place that our lives deserve, and he
wants to highlight the centrality and supremacy of Christ in us. I believe it
is the Lordship of Christ, in short, that he wants to propose to
us. Alfonso, hey, thanks for the early morning I made you do.
Alfonso, well, I' m on a run now of getting up
early because on these trips I' m constantly making flights from here to South
America, for example, you have to get up now without days, as
I say, but well, a pleasure to be with you Julio and you
listen clearly yes, with great pleasure. Alfonso hears, well, well,
before we talk about this work, of this new publication so interesting, jesus
in everything let' s recapitulate a little. I have spoken of your pastoral
performance, your accumulated pastoral experience. You come from a pastoral family. True,
yes, I had the privilege, the enormous privilege of being born in
a Christian home. My parents, I am a native of Cuba, and
my parents in Cuba in the 1950s were students of a seminary there. Then
they were teachers, they founded a work near Havana and, as everyone should
know, the communist dictatorship in Cuba became fierce and good in the mid-
sixties, they ordered all the churches in Cuba to be closed, of all
the confessions and they banned meetings in houses also in public. So, in
the middle of all that, well, many pastors were imprisoned in what I
call the Cuban bullag. Other shepherds were shot for the sake of Christ.
That is nothing strange in Spain, since in Spain too in the 1950s there
was a lot of persecution and when we arrived in Spain there was still persecution
for the church. So I lived it in a certain way. No,
then that' s my background. My parents decided and felt like staying in
Spain or going to Spain as missionaries. There they founded work that is to
this day and then I came here to the United States. If your parents
were missionaries in Madrid, it is true that they founded a work together with
another American missionary and to this day, in fact, two or three pastors
have already passed, but the pastor who is there now we are friends of
all life. Well, friend, yours, Gonzalo Soriano, man, we
know very well that you do. Yeah, well, that' s too
much. Mode my background, up to there, I even went to Spain,
how interesting he hears, when you see the trajectory of men and women,
so we celebrate them recently. We were talking about here was with this
pastor, who is the president of the Bible Seminary Mody in Chicago, also
that the whole family were in Spain, also sea Llove also his parents came
from the United States. They settled in Spain, in the Spain of the
seventy- sixty- seventies and still lived part of the backs of the Franco
dictatorship. In fact, they have now been on television here in Catalonia,
a documentary of the Church persecuted in Spain during Francoism, which suffered well.
In fact, there were shootings at the beginning of Tilano coco who was a
friend of this one, of this philosopher so well known that he was,
came out in the film for the duration of the war. The truth is
that he was also shot because he was accused of false truths. No,
and then that is to say that here the Church also has its history,
its small history of sufferings because of the Gospel, then he good when we
arrive the churches, when I tell this to people who ask me also of
my background in my travel through Latin America and all places, but when we
arrived in Spain, to the churches, they did not have posters outside,
they were not allowed and the Government, that the Government of the Catholic Church,
was the same thing, they controlled who came in and who went out.
That was it. We lived that and yes, that was Spain for
us from the late sixties to the mid- 1970s. This is how I
also referred to Miguel de unamuno, who was a person who approached Protestantism and
had, in fact, his intimate diary book of an amuno, one of
the last that I read with great attention. He spoke and had his advice.
He was and friend, friend to Tirano, or shot by the Taru
and so many others. Well, better times have come for us, thank
God, and we also celebrate it, but your long experience and that of
your parents is very much reflected in these books shepherds of flesh and bone,
which had an EP Awards award and also the life of the pastor Give us
a note of these books for us, for those who are that emerging generation.
Well, there' s a lot of people in the question. First,
how long it took me to write the first book. I didn'
t say good in a symbolic way. I mean, it took me forty
- one years to write wolf. Now there are forty- one helpers of
ministry and combined shepherding. Those books are the fruit of all pastoral and ministerial
experiences and I must clarify that those books, what is there, are not
batallites as we say. They are not very practical leadership teachings aimed at pastoral
care and already, as I say, in many conferences with pastors, after
a while in the ministry you get the thick skin with which you understand this,
you will know what I mean. No. Then I gave lectures workshops
everywhere and people came after and said good, j that' s what you
said is in your book. Right, I used to say in which book.
No, no, what you said is in your book. Then it
became clear to me that I had to write about what I was talking about,
what I was living as a pastor. I had very good friends.
One of them also some that you know well Catalan, the lyceum encouraged me
all the time to write. Then write and his wife also great friends.
So from there came all this, to translate into experience, to embody all
these very practical principles of leadership that I am a very pragmatic person in that
sense and has apparently helped reality. It has already helped thousands and thousands of
pastors and leaders throughout Spanish- speaking countries, but not just Hispanic. The
book has been translated into two languages. It has been translated into Portuguese and
has also been translated into Korean. This caught my attention, because whoever wanted
to translate the book into Korean told me this has to be read by pastors
friends of mine in Korea and I said but seriously says yes. Yeah.
Then it became clear to me that the problem, the challenge of the shepherds
is the same in any culture, what changes is the language. So,
that' s where all this and the books came from, too. Well,
as the title says well in the first no shepherds of flesh and blood
that, by the way, I was with you in a program there years
ago, taking Barcelona and we were talking about this and the title, because
it speaks clearly, as I say, of the guts of the book.
But it has to be said that there are shepherds who are not fleshly Hues
Then, when you see by the media, by television, a shepherd who
has a perfect hairstyle, a Armani suit, nothing against Armani, a family
presents the image of a perfect family, perfect children, perfect marriage. None
of that, it' s true. Our marriages, our children, our
families are not perfect. So the book talks about all this, these two
books, and it makes it good and I do it in an intimate way,
that is, without tongue hairs, but with very practical things that they
can use. Me. He has found many shepherds who have told me to
flee. If I had read this 20 years ago, I wouldn' t
have saved a lot of fuss in my ministry. Yes, yes, I
do, sir, that' s why we recommend those who have now joined
our tuning. Alfonso Guevara, with whom we are talking, Pastor Alfonso Guevara,
also his book Previous books shepherds of flesh and bone, who was winner
of the prize know. You can get it and then recently also from home
creation. I was looking at the pastor' s life on Google now.
I think that' s what Alfonso said right now, books like these.
If they are read, I am also a pastor of forty years of ministry
and I think I will be able to contribute something. But if I had
read books like these, like the one Alfonso gave us, I think he
would have helped me avoid many headaches a few years ago. Truly remember the
life of the shepherd is one of the last, also in the series of
shepherds of flesh and bone and the life of the shepherd. But now let
' s go to what there is another more quick mention, which is this
ancient, but not outdated commandments. Yes, this is a book that I
self published in Spain, I distributed Bible society my friend Gonzalo and they are
at once in due. There are old bookstores in Spain, but not old
- fashioned. This is to talk about another day in July, because it
has a lot of marine fabric. Yeah, yeah, well. I'
ll get back to you. I am a member of the Board of Directors
of the Bible Society and I believe I have seen it. I think I
' ve seen him there, in the sayings, in the Bible society bookshop.
But, well, let' s be interesting, ancient, expect antiquated
phenomena, wow. Well, let' s go to this recent publication Jesus
in everything, how this book responds to in this culture that wants to erase
the name of Jesus tries it at all costs, but you can' t
all how this publication responds to it. Well, this is nothing new,
especially in the context where I have now lived for the last forty- two
years and before because I came here to the United States with my father and
my family. But it' s nothing new. I repeat, in this
context, where I live in American culture as Hispanic, I run into all
this, not because it is palpable, but here it is nothing new.
Here I remember in the late sixties, even seventy, when John Lennon said
they were more famous than Jesus, and that' s where they started.
There began that dialectic and that attempt to overshadow Christianity, to cast aside the
name of Jesus, and there, in a sense, the dechristianization of American
culture also began before that. And, therefore, the rest of the world,
because everything that happens here leaks, whether you like it or not,
the rest of the world has come out very good things, but horrible,
terrible things have also come out. So, and of course, it'
s very curious to have people in Spain like Levic' s American burgers and
jeans, for example, but they hate a lot of things about Yankees and
American culture. But all that anti- gods and anti- Jesus has been
permeating the culture here and has also filtered into angelic churches and people' s
psyches. People think that here, this is a Christian country onhalli or nothing
to see. This is already an anti- God atheistic country, when you
already have sixty- five billion abortions since abortion was legalized, this ceased to
be a Christian country a long time ago. Let' s not fool ourselves.
So all that, all that has influenced people' s mentality, even
sneaked into the church. That' s why and I' m talking about
Hispanic churches too because it' s what my job is with my colleagues,
my Hispanic compatriots here and here. Hence the tremendous need to talk about Jesus.
We are not surprised by the fact that there are so many people,
billions who have neither read nor heard of Jesus. And good Spain, that
at one time there were blows to the chest that it was a religious and
Christian country. I remember going with my father to the Canary Islands in the
year seventy- seven- four seventy- five, to an evangelistic campaign there
and going and witnessing in the streets and asking such questions and people, as
I had not heard clear, had fled Jesus at Christmas Holy Week, but
I had no idea who Jesus was and what he represented and what he had
done. So, bringing this to the present, is that I write this
book right now. Why, because Jesus Jesus has put it on the periphery,
the periphery of many areas, because there I speak. I have thirteen
chapters in the book and the book I intentionally wrote it that way. The
first chapter to give you an idea of Jesus in the beginning. And it
is for that, for it is necessary to talk about Genesis one and John
one. Jesus in the beginning, he is the creator, but the last
chapter is Jesus in the end. The interesting thing about this is that Jesus
promised us that he would be with us until the end. So, between
the beginning and the end there is what we call a whole life, a
whole existence. And I speak of that precisely and how Jesus is and can
be involved in our entire existence from beginning to end. And it is that,
for example, you go to a cemetery and there, on the tombstone,
you will see the name of the person, the date of birth and
the date of death. And between one date and the other there' s
a little ray. That rayita, that raita is very significant, because that
rayita means a lifetime between the beginning and the end. Then, from there
I am developing and we will talk here more because questions will arise and I
also wrote the book because I am in daily need of more of Jesus.
I recognize it, I need it, and therefore the world also desperately needs
the prsons, the power, the word and the presence of Jesus. Person,
power, word, presence of Jesus and how they see him there in
the announcement. My proposal is that no and it is clear, Jesus in
everything or Jesus in nothing. He' s the lord of everything or the
lord of nothing. There' s no half- inks. How interesting he
hears what synthesis you have made, because really hearing Alfonso Guevara, our interviewee
and author of these books, pastor writer, too, I say, a
very experienced pastor. That is why he has the authority to advance us these
books of shepherds of flesh and blood. The life of the shepherd, but
now with the last book, Jesus in all or the contrast, Jesus in
nothing, in those thirteen chapters, Jesus in the beginning, Jesus in the
family, Jesus in the marriage, Jesus in the needy, Jesus in sickness,
Jesus in the work, Jesus in the center, Jesus in the boat,
Jesus in the cross, Jesus in the believer, Jesus in the resurrection,
Jesus in his second avenue and Jesus in the end. I the truth
that, knowing your literary style as you write, that you write, you
are so descriptive writing and I believe that readers will enjoy it, I have
seemed like a glimpse into the whole trajectory, as you have said, of
a life Jesus in everything is Jesus is the centrality of Jesus as you say
and the supremacy of Jesus in the Lordship, of Jesus in so many areas
of our life. You mean that right truth, that' s right.
When I refer to the centrality of Jesus, to the centrality of Christ,
I mean that he has the divine right to be at the center of our
lives and of our particular worlds, and also of the Church, because,
if we invoke him as our lord, he has that right to be at
the center of our lives and at the center of the Church. But,
as I said earlier, Jesus is on the periphery many times in our lives
and in the life of the Church. Because I must clarify and emphasize Jesus
is not a display ornament, because sometimes we put Jesus on a shelf as
if he were a little garden figurine and for others to admire. But no,
no, He' s not an ornament. Jesus is also not an
emergency accessory. The typical hotel announcement that I go a lot from the emergency
hose only breaks in case of fire and seems to pretend that Lord Jesus is
used only in case of emergency. No. No, it' s not
an emergency accessory. Jesus is also not the genius of the lamp because in
recent years Jesus has presented himself as that genius of the lamp they see Christ
and all the problems are going to end, it is not true, come
to Christ and the money will come out of your ears, it is not
true. Brutal materialism has been presented with that nefarious doctrine of prosperity. God
wants to prosper him. No doubt about it. The apostle John says so,
but this is not the genius of the lamp that we can use at
our whim Jesus is not a pet of companionship either, for look now I
am lonely, for I will summon the Lord Lord come this way that I
feel alone bored. No. No, no, no, Jesus is the
lord. He has to be in the center or not. One out of
two. That' s the WOW approach. Yes, there is certainly a
fraudulent discourse of Jesus. In some cases there are not few who have adulterated
the truth, the Gospel, but the truth persists. And besides, this
approach so transparent, so crystalline Jesus in everything and with those aspects that Alfonso
Guevara proposes to us, in his book Jesus. In every editorial an illito.
You can get it from the Lee platform, but it' s already
in the evangelical bookstores available Well, it' s still hot out there,
it' s out there in Spain. I understand what' s coming right
before Christmas. And man who in good weather, because he asked in Colombia
this week that he was with booksellers and also with shepherds, told him to
see Christmas. It is about who, for Jesus, that is, is
celebrating Jesus’ birthday. What a better gift to say, so put this
book under the tree to someone, because the idea I present also is that
sometimes we cut ourselves in evangelizing very cut or we dare not speak to that
neighbor, that neighbor or that co- worker in the office or at work
at the supermarket. And good, but the book can serve as a bridge.
I mean, look. Take this book because it is written not only
for the believer, but I wrote it thinking of the unbelievers who have not
read and need to hear the Gospel Jesus and is the bridge. It is
a good excuse to present the Gospel as a Christmas gift. That' s
an idea, uh, yeah, perfect, perfect. I was going to
ask you is answering how this book can help unbelievers in Jesus. And I
think the content, the focus and what you' re saying is perfect and
better. At Christmas, everyone' s good. Christmas. Jesus saw the
aroma of Christmas and the inevitably fills everything and people look. We organize gospel
music concerts that we have here in Barcelona on December 18th, and the people
that at other times of the year, not even if everything that surrounds at
Christmas and has to do with Jesus, many people pay attention. A book
It is a good tool because we also give things away, we give ourselves
Jesus in everything. Besides, I tell you that thing, besides the content
I can imagine, knowing your way of writing so magnificent that I like it.
Jesus in everything is a book that has a lot, a title that
I also have hook, if it responds to our expectations, for he hears
magnificent at Christmas. Jesus in everything, Alfonso Guevara' s book of ouilit
publishing already on the platform or a hi has it unavailable, but we will
also be able to find it in the evangelical bookstores of Spain. Already in
a few weeks before Christmas. Let' s try and track him down.
I want to get it. I have an advance of the book, but
I want to have it and read it with great affection, because I am
a passionate central Christ and I like it when things are explained well. Hey,
that' s good, Alfonso, to be able to talk to you
from Dallas. There, you' re there for a while opening a new
church. It' s not from Austin. Austistin is perfect. Austin is
the state capital, but well, we' re close to Dallas. I
' m two and a half hours from Houston, three hours south and San
Antonio an hour and a half. I mean, Austin is at the center
of this great state. Texas is the size of France. It is a
very large state and there you are performing pastoral work also right now. Yeah,
well, I do a few things. I am director of pastoral care
and ministerial ethics of an association of pastors here in the city between twenty and
thirty churches or pastors. I also teach in a hermeneutic Bible institute. Next
year I' ll teach or biletics. In case it' s little above
everything I do, my wife and I are involved in a plantation and I
was telling her a new play and we' re there borrowing to say it.
So, this is an Anglo- Saxon church that wanted to start a
Hispanic ministry and we are there since January. We started there with them a
small group was eight nine. Now we' re thirty- thirty. We
baptized four in July and the idea is to leave a pastoral couple there.
And also, because I have my own ministry, which is to the pastors,
and that is why I travel to all the world managing lectures workshops.
I was in Ecuador and Colombia this week and on Thursday that comes except again
for Colombia, in another part of Colombia. I' ll be there with
pastors in a church, the largest presumptarian church in Latin America. It'
s there near Cali back and the other weekend I' m going to El
Salvador with two thousand brothers who are going to be there. I will be
administering in the Church of God of Prophecy which has its convention, that is,
my ministry, is pastoral renewal. It' s the name of the
Ministry is interdenominational, as you can hear, and we' re like this.
Everywhere. I must tell you that I hope to see you personally in
April I will be with my colleague Gonzalo for the Madrils, but we have
planned a tour there for catalun star with pastors churches. So I' ll
give it to you. In April it will be the enchanted thing. If
you could be with us around here for a weekend, it would be great
to be clear to you. And the truth is that if what blessing you
can enjoy all the gathering of your is such a fruitful experience and, besides,
your way of communicating, which is so pleasant. Therefore, the truth
celebrates that God renews your strength and carries it in your soul. That'
s clear. It' s and when you carry it in your soul it
' s that I had a very special mentor. He was my hero,
He literally gave his life for the work in Spain, my father, my
parent. That' s why I trained myself to see him give his life
to a Latin American in the late 1960s and 1970s in Spain. If today
you still feel discrimination with Latin Americans, don' t see you well,
you know in the seventies it was fierce, but God gave him a special
grace to win Spanish, because there were no Latin Americans in Spain, there
were almost then. This one. That' s why I come from that
ministerial wealth and of course I just think I' ve followed your steps and
followed your ministry at this level, globally, I' m an extension of
what was my parent. As simple as that, as simple as that,
he hears infinitely grateful to your father for that contribution, as we told him
to love Llove recently, and a whole life given and watered here, besides
a good job, a magnificent job. I believe that the name of many
Spaniards, we want to thank people and characters like your father, people like
you, thanks for investing so much and of such good quality in our country.
And thank you, Alfonso. A privilege for me every time I return
to Spain is literally the motherland. Although I' m Cuban, I have
Spanish blood. On both sides, my great- grandparents, on both sides,
were Spanish and of course, many people look at me and tell me,
but you don' t, you don' t, you look Cuban,
because they have one idea of the Cuban of another. Well, in
Cuba we were of all colors and flavors. What happens is that my ancestors
were Asturians and Galicians. And this is the physiognomy of what my ancestors were
like. Then that blood runs through my veins. Every time I go to
Asturias, I feel at home, but I am Cuban and I will die
Cuban. Yes, sir, but in a friend I wrote the other day
with him there in Madrid, and he says hey you forgot your z and
I say no. I can speak to you as a Castizo Madridman, but
I' m Cuban, I' m faithful to my people, so this
one and then he tells me and how we' re going to talk to
people about lava feet. Well, with a chotis then when he realizes that
I know Spanish culture to the core, then he fell. And well,
OK, OK, I' m so pretty, Alfonso Guevara, dear friend,
I' m sending you a very affectionate hug and thank you endlessly that
you' ve been with us There you' ve already stuck to the early
morning so you can be with us this morning. A hug is with great
pleasure and a hug to all now always see you soon. Chao the train
of life, an exciting journey along the routes of the heart, an unforgettable
trip at the rhythm of trem We have arrived at the end of the tour.
Ladies and gentlemen, remember that evangelical churches exist throughout Spain. In general,
the vast majority of the evangelical churches of Spain, about five, zero
centers evangelical churches with a common connection that characterizes us, but with liturgies a
little differentiated in the ultic practice, but that there we are with open doors.
They are places of friendship and peace, usually, but of blessing.
Believe me who is in the Christian and magenic communities, for people of all
social backgrounds, as you can imagine in a multi- ethnic, multiracial,
multicultural community and, evidently, where there are people of all human social classes,
of all disciplines that you can imagine and that we meet. There we
meet and share, we worship, we already recognize the greatness of God together,
we really like to sing to Protestants, to the Emangenics, We very
much like singing is the expression of freedom. Hence the African- American chants
of the slavery of chanting was a form of emancipation, for that is in
the soul- matter of Protestantism. Chanting as an expression of worship of God
and gratitude. And also good reflection on the Bible, which is not an
inspiration for life in all orders. And then fraternization, to interact with each
other, to help and bless us and also to communicate this message to so
many others so that they can receive it in time before it is too late.
Don' t remember you can write me to Julio Pérez Arroba. The
train of life. Point is for any query. In fact, it is
done by people or suggestion or a book this, that, a proposal,
a suggestion, sometimes a well- received criticism, because Julio Pérez throws the
train of life. Point is you can write me there with pleasure. I
will answer them for today nothing more and nothing less. Ladies and gentlemen,
Julio Pérez has always spoken to you: the evangelical churches are a place of
peace and friendship. You can freely attend the nearest evangelical church in your neighborhood
or your population. You' ll be very welcome.