WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:07.679 The Clouds Authenticity Podcast. Michael Flynn is a professor of philosophy and history and 2 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:13.800 author of Visions of Atlantis. Michael, thanks for being here. Oh, 3 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:18.960 thank you so much. I appreciate it. Yeah, I've been very interested 4 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:23.519 to have you on because the topic of Atlantis, there's a few people out 5 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:30.160 there talking about it, but I don't think there's anybody that's really profoundly describing 6 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:35.600 and going into details the way that you really do. So it's very awesome 7 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:40.479 to me. But can you tell me what got you interested in Atlantis? 8 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:46.520 I wish I knew, you know, I was just your pretty run of 9 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:51.200 the mill, you know, a jink professor of history and philosophy, and 10 00:00:52.479 --> 00:00:57.119 to be honest, just one day, I think I was just reading you 11 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:03.480 know, ignotious donal Lee's The Anti Deiluvian World, which you know as a 12 00:01:03.519 --> 00:01:08.359 classic from the nineteenth century, one of the I still think one of the 13 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:14.719 most interesting investigations of the topic. And you know, like most people, 14 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:19.359 I think I was aware of it. You know, I think it's seeped 15 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:25.159 into pop culture to such a degree that even people that you know, necessarily 16 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:30.159 don't believe in it have been familiar with, you know, the Lost Continent 17 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.239 or Lost island, however you want to describe it, of Atlantis. But 18 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:42.640 really it was that book that peaud my curiosity because it started to seem much 19 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:48.159 less like a you know, fictional account than something totally lost on us that 20 00:01:48.280 --> 00:01:53.079 people were trying to piece together with whatever evidence they had. And so that 21 00:01:53.159 --> 00:02:00.159 led me down a probably seven or eight year almost full time investigation, this 22 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:04.760 while I was still working, and then later I stopped teaching for about three 23 00:02:04.799 --> 00:02:08.759 years just to fully investigate the subject. And you know, I was quite 24 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:17.000 surprised what I found, because you know, it's commonly thought that this entire 25 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:24.479 story was created by say Plato, and that there's no source before this that 26 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:28.840 mentions Atlantis, which is one of the main critiques, which you know, 27 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:32.319 turns out not to be true. And of course, you know Plato, 28 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:38.400 according to his account in Timaeus and Critias, is two dialogues from around three 29 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:44.840 hundred and sixty PC. The chain of custody, if you will, of 30 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:49.240 the story, you know, ultimately goes back to Egypt, because that's where 31 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:57.360 Plato's distant relative Solon allegedly traveled, and he spoke to the temple priests at 32 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.479 Sayus, who told him. Let us tell you the story of Atlantis, 33 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:06.719 because we keep longer records than you Greeks, and you know, I think 34 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:10.639 a lot of people would really do themselves a favor just to reread Plato's dialogues, 35 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:16.879 not a secondary source talking about it, but actually read what Plato said 36 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:23.479 that the Egyptians told so long. And it's quite interesting because here you have 37 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:28.439 the description of a celestial body hitting the earth, some sort of comet, 38 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.080 you know, which people like Graham Hancock and others have you know, repopularized 39 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:38.240 today by you know, way of evidence from nano diamond deposits and you know, 40 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:43.759 flood patterns in the Americas and whatnot. But here you have, in 41 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:49.879 three hundred and sixty BC, a Greek philosopher whose you know, reputation precedes 42 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:54.840 him describing a story of a celestial body hitting the earth around nine thousand, 43 00:03:54.960 --> 00:04:00.800 six hundred BC and ending the civilization of Atlantis, which again is a quite 44 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:06.719 fascinating date because mainstream science would tell you that that's when, you know, 45 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:12.039 the Holocene period basically begin as the Younger dry as you know, ended and 46 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:16.199 we came out of the Final Ice Age, if you will, and you 47 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:23.759 know, the other things that really shocked me were as I started to exhaust 48 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:35.079 historical evidence from Mediterranean, Indian, Egyptian sources on the subject, it led 49 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:40.720 me to some more I guess you would say experimental sources, which would be 50 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:46.959 remote viewing clairvoyance. And you know, I was of course aware that the 51 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:51.399 average person generally is taught from an early age if they grow up in the 52 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:56.639 Western world, that none of these things hold any water, which is of 53 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.959 course hilarious because you know, the United States government has been using remote view 54 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:06.800 for forty five years to great effect, and they absolutely understand it's real clairvoyance. 55 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:14.680 It's a tricky case because anybody can go into a so called trance and 56 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:18.279 say I had had a bad slafe in Atlanta's and this is what it looked 57 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:21.959 like. But I was interested in who were the first people to do that, 58 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:27.560 and who were the most reliable people. For example, I picked you 59 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:32.360 know, Edgar Casey, because Edgar Casey of his you know, nearly fifteen 60 00:05:32.439 --> 00:05:40.839 thousand readings that he gave in a medically supervised near coma state, a hypnagogic 61 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:44.360 trance that wasn't just you know, sitting on his couch. He was in 62 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:49.360 a state near death, according to medical doctors who witnessed it. You know, 63 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:58.120 edgar Casey was mainly concerned in the early nineteen twenties and thirties with medical 64 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:02.279 diagnoses, so he wouldn't diagnosed people without seeing them, and those people would 65 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:08.920 later get help based on his recommendations. And there's hundreds, if not thousands 66 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:14.560 of sworn testimonies, you know, testing to his abilities. It's not my 67 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:18.439 imagination, it's not fiction. There's fifteen thousand transcripts that i've you know, 68 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:26.240 read through, and in those transcripts, occasionally he would mention Atlantis at a 69 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:30.079 time when you know, very few people were really talking about it in the 70 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:38.240 nineteen thirties in Virginia Beach to his you know, devoutly Christian friends and clients 71 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:43.079 who were coming to visit him for past life readings or medical readings and things 72 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:47.720 like this, and so those were really interesting because, you know, a 73 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:51.639 man who in his own waking life, by his own emission, had absolutely 74 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:59.439 no knowledge or interest in Egyptology or geology or even Atlantis, found himself when 75 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.240 he would waigh up and read what he said in a you know, thirty 76 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:09.399 minute trans session, he was quite surprised and it actually changed his life because 77 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:16.240 he was raised about Baptist and he suddenly describes things like reincarnation. He describes 78 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:23.160 the soul of Jesus being one of the first incarnations in Atlantis, which contradicted 79 00:07:23.199 --> 00:07:26.600 a lot of his congregations beliefs, and you know, led them to really 80 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:31.279 study this subject more. And what's really curious is that at a time when 81 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.600 almost no one could have known some of these things that I mentioned in the 82 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:40.279 book, dates of extinctions, river beds that had never been discovered, he 83 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.839 was talking about it, you know, and that to me is heart evidence, 84 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:47.240 regardless of how it's gleaned. You know, if a man in a 85 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:54.560 trance, real or imagined, describes accurately a you know, river system in 86 00:07:55.120 --> 00:08:01.399 west central Africa that no one in the world had discovered, and describes it 87 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.839 accurately and describes where it started and where it ended, and then in nineteen 88 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:09.120 eighty six, space Shuttle imaging actually discovers that it's real. I mean, 89 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.399 that's a data point, you know. And so the book, you know, 90 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:20.399 I call it Visions of Atlantis because it's not just historical accounts of Atlantis, 91 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.000 but it's also literally you know, hypnogogically channeled accounts or visions, if 92 00:08:24.040 --> 00:08:28.680 you will, of what life could have been like, you know, using 93 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:35.360 people like Edgar Casey, using another kid named Frederick Oliver, who wrote a 94 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:41.360 channel The Claire Audience book that he claims was dictated to him by voices in 95 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:46.600 his head, which again I mean myself on the surface, when I'm reading 96 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.039 these things, I'm a very skeptical person. So I just look at, 97 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:54.600 well, what did this book say? You know, let's just pretend it 98 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.000 wasn't channel Let's just say it was a really smart seventeen year old kid in 99 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.519 eighteen eighty four writing a novel about Atlantis. Well what does he say? 100 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.360 And if you read the whole thing as I have, it's four hundred pages, 101 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:11.799 it's almost impossible that, I mean, there's only a couple possibilities. 102 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:16.559 A. It is a truly channeled account. B. This is a child 103 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.799 who was as intelligent as Nikola Tesla three. It was a secret contributor. 104 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:26.440 But then why was it not published in his lifetime? And why did he 105 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:31.600 himself know things that no one could have known in eighteen eighty four, you 106 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.519 know, And so these were the things that I really wanted to do to 107 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:41.120 separate this book from the you know, thousands of books written on Atlantis that 108 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:48.080 seemed to me to have reached a dead end in terms of the research the 109 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:52.000 sources. I had seen a lot of people just repeating the same sources, 110 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:58.480 the same sources, or I had seen the field compartmentalized, where it's this 111 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.120 is a book just about clairvoyant visions of Atlantis, you know, and here's 112 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:09.600 a book quote unquote just on the hard science of Atlantis. Whereas I thought 113 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:16.639 a more holistic approach would suit the subject and kind of bring people from both 114 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:20.200 sides together to see that, Hey, look, there is an actual science, 115 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:24.279 you know, as Dean Rayden would explain to you, and you know, 116 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:28.879 Stanford University and the Institute of Noetic Science is that. Yeah. Actually, 117 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:33.159 clairvoyance is real. It's very rare, it's hard to develop, but 118 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:37.519 it is real. Remote viewing is real, that's undeniable. Psychic archaeology has 119 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.519 proven to you know, lead to discoveries. Stephen Schwartz's proof in that in 120 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:46.480 his excellent work. I mean, it's just that the mainstream never engages with 121 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:52.639 that, and it's an important part of the story because we're dealing with the 122 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:58.399 subject that, according to Plato's account himself, is over you know, twelve 123 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.559 thousand year years old by this point, So it's not going to be something 124 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:09.399 where you're going to find necessarily an Atlantean potshard at the bottom of the Atlantic, 125 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:16.279 but you might find megalithic remains of the final and breakaway cultures after the 126 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:22.840 final destruction, which I would argue Giza would be a prime example of that. 127 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:31.159 Well, that is fascinating. I mean, I don't know very much 128 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.399 on this topic. I remember growing up my grandmother had tons of works by 129 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:43.440 Edgar Casey and that was my first exposure to stuff like that. So naturally, 130 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:48.519 being a young child, I was remaining curious about his work and it 131 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:52.399 just seemed like he was spot on about so many topics. But apart from 132 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:58.039 that, in present times, my main exposure would have been people like Barbara 133 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:03.679 hand Klaud speaking about these lations, or most recently we have Sarah Brestman caused 134 00:12:03.720 --> 00:12:09.240 me with her work, you know, and people always ask me where chit, 135 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:11.519 Like, hey, can you regress me to Atlantism? Like no, 136 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:16.919 I can't do that, Like I can't suggest to you where you would go 137 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:22.000 in a regression. So you know, it's interesting, but people do have 138 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:28.919 this subconscious need to know about that time period, and that in itself suggests 139 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.360 to me that it's a real tangible thing, if nothing else. And I 140 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.240 have to ask you this question, why do you think there is an attempt 141 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:41.440 to control the narrative on this topic? Well, you know, it's I 142 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:52.600 think I wouldn't say that there's a necessarily concerted or centralized conspiracy to suppress this 143 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:58.720 specific topic. I would just say that the weight of you know, the 144 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:03.399 way academia works. I mean, as a person who used to you know, 145 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:07.279 work in that field full time, you know, not even to take 146 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:11.039 a subject like Atlanta. Let's just take a subject like the possible, you 147 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:16.039 know, an alternative ending, let's say to World War Two. You know. 148 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:20.159 So, you know, the FBI releases their declassified files on Hitler that 149 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:26.080 show very good evidence that you know, the FBI was tracking him in Argentina 150 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:30.000 for a decade after the end of the war. You know. Again, 151 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:33.279 not my opinion, that's what the FBI files say. But have I seen 152 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:39.759 you know, college textbooks or college professors that taught me update that. No, 153 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.480 it's still he died in the bunker, and that's it. You know, 154 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:46.960 which again is a story that began with Hugh Trevor Roper, who was 155 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.399 a medieval you know, historian who was assigned to write the official you know, 156 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:56.639 history of the Third Reich many years after the fact, based on interviews 157 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:05.759 with Nazis I wouldn't consider the most reliable sources and you know, your investigations. 158 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:11.799 So it's like that's a mainstream subject, World War Two, that's fairly 159 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.200 contemporary. You know, you're talking only seventy five eighty years ago, and 160 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.240 that's a narrative that we can't challenge, you know, or people that have 161 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:26.279 you know, alternative views of you know, other you know, medieval history. 162 00:14:26.279 --> 00:14:31.519 It gets even more difficult to challenge the established narrative of this is what 163 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:33.440 it was like during feudalism, and it's like, well, new evidence suggests, 164 00:14:33.440 --> 00:14:37.960 nope, no, we don't want so when you're dealing with the subject 165 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:46.440 that basically nobody knows anything about except from extremely ancient records and deduction, I 166 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:52.480 think it's much easier just to say, well, we know that it wasn't 167 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:56.440 real, instead of saying, yeah, you know, this actually could be 168 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:01.320 real and there could have been a highly event. Civilization was utterly or almost 169 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:05.840 utterly destroyed, and you know, the sands of time have covered that up 170 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:11.120 and only left us with let's say, megalithic architecture, which you know has 171 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:16.879 changed and been weathered and warped, and you know withstood dozens, if not 172 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.240 hundreds of other cultures that have you know, used it for certain purposes, 173 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.720 like say Giza Plateau. And so it's just easier to say, well, 174 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:30.639 you know that was just built for Kufu as a tomb. And you know, 175 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.799 again I asked people, well, there's no evidence of that. That's 176 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:39.519 as fantastical as the Atlanteans built. And in fact, that's more fantastical because 177 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:45.159 it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't resemble a tomb. It is complicated 178 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.720 on a level that makes absolutely no sense if it were to and that would 179 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:52.120 be like discovering the Pentagon and saying, well, there's a box somewhere in 180 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.960 the Pentagon that's squares, so it must have been a tomb for the president 181 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.320 that they had. You know, it's like, no, it was a 182 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:00.960 very different subject. It's very different structure. Then, you know, the 183 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:03.840 one thing left after ten thousand years, Let's say, if indeed it was 184 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:08.720 as old as Edgar Casey said it was, which was you know, completed 185 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:15.519 in ten thousand, three hundred and ninety pc by the descendants of Atlantis. 186 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:21.679 So I think it's you know, a function of the way the game works 187 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:26.960 is people would rather say something's not true than admit they don't know. You 188 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:33.759 know, there's this push I've noticed with academics for certainty, and particularly with 189 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.360 the quote unquote scientists these days. You know, that's unfortunately not how science 190 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:41.519 works. It's the opposite of science, or science is supposed to be by 191 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:47.480 definition, hypothetical, in tentative and based on you know, preponderance of evidence 192 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:51.440 towards a new working theory, not some monolithic This is the way it is 193 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:55.679 forever. But unfortunately, you know, in the last i'd say thirty forty 194 00:16:55.759 --> 00:17:00.080 years with the subject of Atlantis from my research looking at the intent, I 195 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.160 are historical record of everyone to my knowledge who talked about it. It wasn't 196 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:08.480 treated this way until you know, really like forty years ago. It started 197 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:12.039 to change, and in thirty years ago it started to get more and more 198 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:15.839 just kind of you know, discussed as a fantasy, and particularly recently, 199 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:23.079 while there's been this huge outflowing of renewed interests from the popular level, there's 200 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:26.799 been a as you've seen, you know, I'm sure with Graham Hancock and 201 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:34.279 the pushback from the Dusty Academy, I mean they hate him because number one, 202 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:40.079 he doesn't have a PhD you know, from Oxford, and he didn't 203 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:42.000 spend a lot of money, and you know, keep that game going. 204 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:47.839 And it also shows them just absolutely how flawed their own reasoning could be. 205 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.279 You know, and there's people that I mean, that's a culture more than 206 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:53.880 an institution. I've noticed that as well. You know, you don't really 207 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:59.480 go to Oxford because you're going to read better books or have better classes. 208 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:02.559 You go there, so you could say you went to Oxford, and therefore 209 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:06.160 your opinion carries more weight than you know, a guy like me who used 210 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.200 to work at a bar and you know, moonlight as a professor on the 211 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:12.759 weekends. But you know, I still have my master's degree, I've still 212 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:17.720 read thousands of books. I would say the evidence speaks for itself. You 213 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:22.480 know, anybody can do the work. And you know, to my great 214 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:26.160 surprise, you know, some of the best researchers on the subject were not 215 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:30.680 traditional academicians, you know, naishas Donnelly was a congressman and a friend of 216 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.400 Abraham Lincoln, and he wrote still one of the best books on Atlantis. 217 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:40.960 You know, he wasn't an egyptologist. Edgar Casey was a Sunday school teacher 218 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:44.799 and a guy who gave medical readings for thousands of people to help them. 219 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.200 He wasn't an egyptologist. Most of the things he said turn out to be 220 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:55.880 true about archaeology. And so it's interesting, you know, because I liked 221 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:00.440 the way the book came out at the end, because you've got you know, 222 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:04.680 traditional high level sources, the Mahabarata, turin King's List, the usual 223 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.400 you know, kind of dusty tomes that everybody talks about. But then you 224 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:15.400 see like how average people talked about it, how people in the thirties talked 225 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.400 about it, how people who got psychic greetings discussed it, and how it 226 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:23.799 affected their lives. And then you know how actual people that were not in 227 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:33.480 the field of atlantology ended up discovering things that supported things that they themselves would 228 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:41.240 never have put together with the bigger piece of the Atlantean puzzle because they weren't 229 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:45.880 looking for it. You know, Like, for example, there was a 230 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:52.240 researcher in the nineteen fifties and sixties, a guy named Maurice Ewing, and 231 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:57.960 he did a really one of the first full scale surveys of the mid Atlantic 232 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:04.200 Ridge, which it's self was discovered in eighteen seventy seven. And it's really 233 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:10.480 interesting because again it just shows you how different people were in terms of considering 234 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.799 these things. You know, in eighteen seventy seven, for example, the 235 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:19.039 Challenger, which was a very primitive, you know, sale basically a sale 236 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:22.279 ship. I'm not sure if it had steam power as well, but it 237 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:26.759 was a sailing ship, you know, a three masses sailing ship that discovered 238 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:30.279 the mid Atlantic Ridge on an expedition, and then later the Dolphin and the 239 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:34.440 Porpoise other ships confirmed it. And you know, the first thing that the 240 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:38.160 researchers, these were some of the best oceanographers in the world at the time, 241 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:42.480 the first thing these people said when they discovered the mid Atlantic Ridge off 242 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:48.880 of the Azores was they wrote an article that I found I've never seen anybody 243 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.000 site this article. You know, it took me a long time to dig 244 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:56.880 this one up, but it was an article I think in Scientific American and 245 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:00.680 you know, published in eighteen seventy seven seven, and the title of the 246 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:07.880 article is Glimpses of Atlantis, and they subscribe to the catastrophic explanation of ice 247 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.720 age flooding, and they said, as the New America was forming, it's 248 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.960 likely that the old Atlantis was sinking. And it appears that the story Solon 249 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:19.519 told Plato, you know, by way of Critius et cetera, et cetera, 250 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:23.640 indeed was true. So when they found the mid Atlantic Ridge in eighteen 251 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:30.039 seventy seven, they had basically said, mainstream scientists, we found Atlantis. 252 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:37.799 Now it's interesting because today, you know, National Geographic and Scientific American, 253 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.200 all they do is write pieces about how if you believe that you're crazy, 254 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:45.799 you know. So the book was as much about showing what this could have 255 00:21:45.839 --> 00:21:53.319 been as showing how the whole game works in academia. How just because people 256 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:59.920 today with fancy newspapers and fancy journals tell you you're crazy, well that's not 257 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:04.160 what they said one hundred and fifty years ago. In fact, the smartest 258 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:08.240 people in the Enlightenment, including you know, gion Rinaldo Carley, who was 259 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:12.519 a friend of Voltaire's, in a polymath, he figured it out in the 260 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:18.720 seventeen hundreds. You know, Albert Einstein was friends with Charles Hapgood, who 261 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:22.640 was a researcher into ancient maps. You know, when nobody believed him, 262 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:26.799 Albert Einstein wrote him a letter of recommendation. Tesla got a recommendation and a 263 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.880 life reading from Edgar Casey. You know. So it's like this idea that 264 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:37.799 only crazy people who you know meditate with you know, incense and you know 265 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:42.480 a Ouiji board are into Atlantis is really not true. And of course, 266 00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:48.240 when you strip away the ad Hominem attack aspect of the investigation, you're really 267 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:53.359 left with exactly what you would expect to find if it were real, which 268 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:57.640 is, okay, we have a mid Atlantic ridge, you know, the 269 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:04.440 Atlantic Ocean, which again the Atlantic Ocean where Atlantis was, according to Plato, 270 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:08.519 you know, has a mid Atlantic ridge. It's not just an empty 271 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:15.880 basin. And Plato said basically that the high point of the mid Atlantic ridge, 272 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:21.079 where the Azores chains are now is where Atlantis was. And then Frederick 273 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:26.920 Oliver, who in eighteen eighty two eighteen eighty four drew a channeled sketch of 274 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:33.359 what the final island would have looked like after multiple destructions. When no one 275 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:36.960 knew what that bottom of the Atlantic actually looked like. It had not been 276 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:41.759 contoured by a satellite, and it turns out to confirm what modern satellite imaging 277 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:47.279 says that part of the Azores Basin looks like. So it's like, well, 278 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:51.200 if that's not evidence, I mean, I don't know what would be. 279 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:56.400 You know, because steel doesn't last twelve thousand years, the glass doesn't 280 00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:02.359 last twelve thousand years. Megalithic architecture does us, but it's difficult to date 281 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:04.640 it. And in the case of say the Great Pyramid, you know, 282 00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:11.039 the inscriptions which allegedly were on the limestone casings have all been removed. So 283 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.559 it's like, we don't have a lot. And so I understand people's frustration. 284 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:22.559 But until perhaps you know, the famed Hall of Records, or you 285 00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:26.480 know, a crystal skull that we can decode with a computer, or something 286 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:33.559 is revealed to the world, it's kind of like the extraterrestrial question, where 287 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:37.000 it's like there appears to be a preponderance of evidence, there appear to be 288 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:42.880 people obfuscating the truth, but until the masses are shown on CNN, you 289 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:48.039 know, the bodies under right Patterson Airfield in a you know, pink liquid 290 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:52.160 with the glass case. They're not going to believe it. And so I 291 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:56.160 never set out to prove anything. I just set out to show people that, 292 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:00.799 look, this is a really fascinating story and it's not that fantastical, 293 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:06.559 you know, And the same thing could happen to us right now if we 294 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:11.200 were faced with say, a you know, two kilometer wide comment or something 295 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:18.720 you know, similar to that, Well, shit, you could not have 296 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:27.000 given a better answer to that question. It's very interesting because I guess you've 297 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:33.160 managed to find so much information, both channeled accounts and physical evidence, and 298 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:38.519 yet you're really just sifting through a very small amount of information because it wasn't 299 00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:42.920 the majority of it destroyed at one point, like everything that we know, 300 00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:48.400 the majority of information that we have in the history books has been destroyed. 301 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.759 So we're all feeling from a very small reserve of information. But oh my 302 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:59.559 god, I mean you have to think, you know, people always talk 303 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:06.000 about the destruction singular of the Library of Alexandria, but really there were three 304 00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:11.119 destructions, you know, the first under Julius Caesar, when he set the 305 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:18.039 docks on fire trying to save Cleopatra, his seventeen year old lover from her 306 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:26.359 crazy brother in a civil war which caught the the you know megale Bibliotheke I 307 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.720 guess they called it in Greek caught that part of a library on fire and 308 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:34.160 destroyed the majority of you know, ancient records at the time. And then 309 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:40.680 you know, four hundred years later, you have I believe it's Emperor Theodosius 310 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.480 the First, who you know, decides there's only going to be one version 311 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:48.200 of Christianity, which the Roman Empire has adopted at that point, and he 312 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:55.680 ordered the specific destruction and dismantling and probably theft to the Vatican you know archives 313 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.200 at that time or whatever they were. You know, we're storing things at 314 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:03.720 that time in Rome. And then the third was under one of the first 315 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.920 Islamic armies that occupied and they destroyed the final I think the Serapium was the 316 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.400 final piece that they destroyed. So I mean you're talking about you know, 317 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:17.119 millions of scrolls, millions of archives, millions of books from all over the 318 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:22.480 world. And it's really interesting because you know, edgar Casey had one reading 319 00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.119 on the Library of Alexandria that I've never seen anybody site. It really was 320 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:34.000 difficult to find and He said that the material that later was put in that 321 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:41.400 physical building from say the time of you know, the Potolemaic dynasty, after 322 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:45.200 Alexander the Great, when they started to really collate all the material from the 323 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:49.319 Mediterranean into one spot. Because Ptolemy was really interested in that. Apparently he 324 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:56.640 used to steal books from ships that docked at Alexandria. Is the anecdotal evidence 325 00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:57.799 that he would He would say, oh, I just going to make a 326 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:00.319 copy, and then the cap and said, can I got that book back 327 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.160 now? And that's how you amassed so many books, is one of the 328 00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:11.720 ways people say. But Edgar Casey said that the material that was destroyed had 329 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:18.559 been accumulated from ten thousand BC after the fall of Atlantis, and so we 330 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:25.160 can only imagine what was destroyed in that or I would argue locked away in 331 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:30.680 Rome where it's probably still, you know, in some archive that I'm sure 332 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.480 somebody knows, you know. Allegedly, according to a friend of mine who 333 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.799 I think had a friend who knew Dolores Ken and when she was still alive, 334 00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:45.039 she allegedly told his friend that she got a private tour of the Vatican 335 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:52.359 and saw unbelievable amounts of unknown Egyptian artifacts and things like this because she was 336 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.599 interested in Atlantis, and the tour guide kind of did it on the on 337 00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.480 the on the low after hours because he knew she was famous. And I 338 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:07.680 think she was doing a reading there and or regressions there, and you know, 339 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.319 he even said like, yeah, we can't, you know, we 340 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:15.240 can never disclose what we really have because it would upset you know, not 341 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:19.440 just Christians, but the whole balance of history. So I think I think 342 00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.000 that story is probably true. I mean, whether it's true or not, 343 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:26.400 the fact remains that, you know, we're lucky to even have access to 344 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:33.039 Plato and Aristotle. You know, we're very lucky, and we're very lucky 345 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:37.759 to have, you know, the records that the Arabs preserved during their occupation 346 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.240 of Spain, because a lot of those were not even known until you know, 347 00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:47.000 fifteen hundred, you know, after Columbus basically set sail, and they 348 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:51.680 started to rediscover these texts after the Ray Conquista. And so you're absolutely right, 349 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.559 man. It's it's like, it's a lot of information to me, 350 00:29:55.720 --> 00:30:02.640 but it's probably point zero zero zero one percent of the potential historical record that's 351 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:11.920 just gone. Yeah, it is. It's It's always been a big driving 352 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:15.279 force in my thinking because I wonder how many people have lived and died and 353 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.759 they had all this information about topics like this and they just they never wrote 354 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:25.319 it down or something, you know, or you know how it's just interesting 355 00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:29.359 how everything that we know right now in the way that society is, is 356 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:37.000 so similar. There's so many parallels to the Atlantean civilization, and yet it's 357 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:42.720 really hard for people to grasp the idea because there just isn't this information that's 358 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:48.160 in the mainstream, you know, right, And I guess that's the way 359 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:51.880 it goes with conditioning. That's why it's called conditioning, because they only want 360 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:56.480 us to be who they want us to be, you know, for control 361 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:02.200 purposes. But sure, you know what to ask you? Oh go ahead, 362 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:04.599 Oh you go ahead. No, I was going to ask you. 363 00:31:04.480 --> 00:31:07.880 You know, if the information in your book became household knowledge, how do 364 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:15.759 you think that would change society? Well, you know, I guess it's 365 00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:25.119 kind of like with these you know, revelations on extraterrestrial influence in humanity. 366 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:30.759 You know, I think it's pretty clear to mom and pop in you know, 367 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.799 Dayton, Ohio, watching the six o'clock news or something that well, 368 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:40.200 you can't just say this is all make believe, you know, this isn't 369 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:45.599 just X files or something like the government is admitting, yeah, we've recovered 370 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.799 bodies and craft, but like we're not going to really tell you much. 371 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.359 But they've admitted that, which again, whether you think that's just info or 372 00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:59.000 that it's still an admission from the unfortunately, you know, the central authorities 373 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:04.680 that you know, most people believe, and you know the world hasn't ended, 374 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.599 People haven't jumped out of buildings, the Vatican hasn't burned down. I 375 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:13.200 think it's going to be the same with Atlantis because I think as time goes 376 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:21.559 on, more and more things just by the nature of the way history works. 377 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:25.480 You know, when Graham Hancock wrote Fingerprints of the Gods, go Beckley, 378 00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:29.640 Tempe hadn't even been discovered. You know, it wouldn't be discovered for 379 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:35.240 another you know, eight ten, twelve years, and when it was discovered, 380 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:37.000 it's like, okay, now do you believe him? You know that 381 00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:42.039 there could have been an eventsivilization then thousand years ago, and then it's like 382 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.559 it just keeps going. You know. The Gonum Padang, a pyramid in 383 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:50.000 you know, Java, which nobody knows it could be as much as twenty 384 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.839 thousand years old. And then they find a mine, you know that recently, 385 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:59.119 you know, going back fifty five thousand years. And then I saw 386 00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.680 something else that we have to push the date of Harminid's back, because we 387 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:08.400 found a flint in you know, upper Ethiopia that is a million years old. 388 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:14.319 And it's like it just keeps getting older and weirder. And you know, 389 00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:19.480 they know that people were domesticating crops in the Amazon ten thousand years ago, 390 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.599 that that has to change. But it's like, you know, I 391 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:30.400 think it's not so much like going to be a shocking revelation or anything, 392 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:36.440 because I mean, the pyramid exists. It's existed, it's been able to 393 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.839 be visited for thousands of years, and yet we can't construct it. There's 394 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:45.000 no explanation of how it was built. And people just seem to kind of, 395 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:50.960 you know, keep watching the game and eating hot dogs and drinking beer 396 00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.759 like the world ends. So I think that you know, short of finding 397 00:33:54.839 --> 00:34:00.279 like I said, some sort of you know, I don't know, piece 398 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:06.759 of technology that's somehow still functional or as edgre Casey and many others have said, 399 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:12.639 a sealed hall of records that has some sort of decipherable script that literally 400 00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:19.719 explains the history of this culture and leads to more discoveries. I don't know. 401 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:22.599 I don't know if there's going to be any kind of like aha moment. 402 00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:27.719 I think at this point, people are so infantilized and so desensitized to 403 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:34.760 novelty, just through social media and just the crazy unraveling of daily world events, 404 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:39.159 that nothing is shocking. You know. It's like that great Jane's Addiction 405 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:44.559 album, Nothing is shocked. It's true. I mean, I think that's 406 00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:45.639 why I think I say in the book, you know you could find a 407 00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:51.880 VHS a TOF and you know Rata, who Casey said, built the pyramid. 408 00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:55.280 You know you can find a VHS put it in and shows and building. 409 00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.360 I don't think anybody would care. I think people are just trying to, 410 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:07.039 you know, buy milk and put gas in their car. Yeah, 411 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:13.639 you are spot on there with the infantilization and the desensitizing of people. That's 412 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:19.639 really what it has come down to. And yet whenever I start talking to 413 00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:22.599 people about stuff like this, and I say, you know, the way 414 00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.280 things are going right now, it's not hard to believe that the way that 415 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:30.519 a civilization like Atlantis was destroyed could have been as a result of AI and 416 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.519 we're going in that same direction. They look at me with the butts and 417 00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:36.559 they say, oh, you're one of those crazy folks, aren't you. 418 00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:40.400 And I'm like, what, Yeah, Well, you know, that's really 419 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:45.880 interesting because you know, of course, in the book, not to give 420 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:47.800 too much away, because I would love people to read it and you know, 421 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.480 and tell me what they think. You know, I have a very 422 00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:57.480 thick skin, and I always appreciate feedback. But you know, of course 423 00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:01.719 I had to investigate a couple of the alleged reasons. You know. You 424 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:07.199 know, in Edgar Casey's account, there's three destructions that span you know, 425 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.360 enormous amounts of time, one in fifty thousand BC, one in twenty eight 426 00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:15.880 thousand BC, which you know, whittled a much larger continent into the final 427 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:21.480 island in the third iteration, which would have been the story Plato received, 428 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:27.400 would have been the third iteration of Atlantis. And you know, in Casey's 429 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.880 account, one of the destructions was technologically caused, you know, by a 430 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:39.000 misapplication of a extremely powerful technology akin to the Death Star on a terrestrial level 431 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.760 in Barbrahan Klow's account, which again I always tell people, you know, 432 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:51.280 the reason I focus so much on these early early channelers was because they had 433 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:53.679 no precedent, so they had nobody to copy. And as much as I 434 00:36:53.719 --> 00:37:00.079 respect people like Barbarahan Klow and Philis Schlemmer and other you know channelers from the 435 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.079 seventies, eighties and nineties, there's no way I could prove to a skeptic 436 00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:08.440 that they didn't just read or were subconsciously influenced by Sayega Casey or other things. 437 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:14.360 But I still include them because they even predicted things that, to answer 438 00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:16.800 your question, are kind of happening now. Like, for example, Barbaraha 439 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:22.559 and klowd wrote a book called The Atlantis Signet. It's a very weird book 440 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:30.800 from nineteen ninety one or two. Now think about this. She said that 441 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:40.400 she's channeling her past life as a scientist who works in a photon laboratory that's 442 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:47.880 run by an extraterrestrial from the Pleiades named Haton, and he's a basically transhumanist 443 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:59.360 alien scientist king who does not like humanity, and his goal is to implant 444 00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:04.159 well, she says in twenty one thousand BC, is her timeline. This 445 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.840 had already been done, that the human race had or whatever was around at 446 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:12.639 that time, you know, members of different cultures, Atlanteans, people in 447 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.519 Memoria, perhaps, I don't know. She doesn't go into much detail on 448 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:19.320 that, but she says that the people had been in This is in nineteen 449 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.679 ninety two. She says this. She says the people had been implanted with 450 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:27.400 crystal implants to make them all think alike, and the goal was to create 451 00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:34.000 a one basically well, she says it the new World Order centered on Atlantis, 452 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.760 run by plead and scientist gang named Haton, And she says that once 453 00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:49.480 everybody was chipped with the crystal implant and tracked, that Haton wanted to This 454 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:52.039 is very bizarre and again how would I prove this? But according to Barbarahan 455 00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:55.559 and Cloud, the center of the Earth is not a ball of magma. 456 00:38:55.599 --> 00:39:01.199 It's an actual semi molten iron crystal. That's how she describes it. Now, 457 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:06.320 again I'm not a geologist, I'm just reporting what she said. She 458 00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:16.599 said that that destruction was a result of this scientist king deciding okay, now 459 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:22.159 it's time, and he wanted to quote unquote strike the crystal with some sort 460 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:30.280 of technology that would basically instantly reentrain all humanity to be in sync with his 461 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:37.360 agenda, which was an extraterrestrial agenda, and in doing so, it completely 462 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:44.719 backfired and caused some sort of chaotic resonance wave that emerged from the center of 463 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:50.599 the Earth and basically sucked down that portion of the Earth and precipitated a global 464 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:57.480 cataclysm. Now again, who the hell knows, But what's interesting is that 465 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:02.039 she's describing an agenda that we're watching unfold right now, and she described that 466 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:07.719 in nineteen ninety two, and very few people besides maybe, like I mean, 467 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:12.119 David I debuted that year. So it's like, that's a really interesting 468 00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:15.639 data point to me that she basically predicted and she called it the New World 469 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:19.920 Order, which, of course George Bush had already given that speech in nineteen 470 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.639 ninety ninety one. I believe the New World Order speech. But it's interesting 471 00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:29.440 because it still wasn't widely talked about outside of say, Bill Cooper's circles and 472 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:34.199 things like this. But you know, that was interesting because that explained one 473 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.800 explanation of, say, how this could have been destroyed, you know, 474 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:45.440 and in Casey's case, the Towy Stone overcharged and basically did the same thing. 475 00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:47.840 And it's hard to say, like, were they both talking about the 476 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:52.320 same thing. I don't know. Casey doesn't describe a scientist king he describes 477 00:40:52.360 --> 00:41:00.880 a scientist who accidentally overturned a power source on the Principal Island, so you 478 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.320 know. And then the final destruction case you never mentions what caused it. 479 00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.760 I go to Plato for that one, because he describes a comet, and 480 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:14.239 because there seems to be some evidence that a comet did hit the Earth, 481 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.440 probably on the North Atlantic ice sheet around that time, because there's not a 482 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.840 great explanation for the rapid flooding you know that happened. So I'm just an 483 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:29.000 open minded person. I don't have an agenda. I personally don't care if 484 00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:34.960 we, you know, find or don't find it as cool as it would 485 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:38.519 be. It's not something I think that's you should approach that way. I 486 00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:45.519 think when you when you approach a topic with I'm gonna do this, that's 487 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.159 really not scientific. And so I really spent a lot of time writing this 488 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.039 book to see what was real and what was not real. You know, 489 00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.880 I did not want to prove to myself that Atlantis was real. I actually 490 00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:02.960 discovered that there's more evidence that it did exist than not through a very honest, 491 00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:08.519 objective, seven year investigation. You know where I would be lying if 492 00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:15.239 I said I don't believe that Atlantis existed, because there's too much evidence to 493 00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:21.719 suggest that it did. And it actually logically makes sense, and it explains 494 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:27.360 a lot of what human beings, who anatomically have been the same for a 495 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.480 quarter of a million years, had been doing for the first you know, 496 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:37.079 one hundred thousand plus of those years, which mainstream quote unquote science doesn't have 497 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:40.000 any explanation. It's nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. And then one 498 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:45.119 hundred and ninety five thousand years later, Sumiria Pyramids. Yeah, arah, 499 00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:46.840 blah blah blah blah. It's like, well that doesn't make any sense. 500 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.039 Well, God bless your ability to jump down a rabbit hole. Man, 501 00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:00.760 You jumped all the way down it for seven ye that's the only way to 502 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.360 go. You got to go all in, and you got to you got 503 00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:07.719 to just I always tell people. I told them all my students. I 504 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:10.840 still teach you if you really want to be a historian. You know, 505 00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:15.480 I'm not a scientist. I'm not a geologist. I'm not a clairvoyant. 506 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:17.559 I've never had a past life reading. I'm a historian. That's my job. 507 00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:21.039 But if you really want to be a historian, you got to go 508 00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:24.440 outside of what most people think historians do. You got to really get in 509 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:30.599 there and look at every goddamn thing that has ever been said about the subject. 510 00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:34.000 You know, my advisor used to tell me that, you know, 511 00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:40.239 newspapers anecdotes an old lady at a coffee shop that's just as valuable, often 512 00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:45.119 as it might lead you to something you'll never believe, you know, And 513 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:49.800 you know, I don't quote old ladies that I met at coffee shops that 514 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.840 you know, heard something about Atlantis. But it's been so fascinating to see 515 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:59.000 the influx of letters and emails, you know, since this book, which 516 00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:04.400 you know, went to number one best seller it's strangely in ancient Egyptian history 517 00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:08.880 category, which again I find not surprising, because the story of Atlantis is 518 00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:15.519 the story of Egypt. By their own admission, and a colleague of mine, 519 00:44:15.920 --> 00:44:22.480 Rob Nyland, who's friends with the egyptologist Manu Sifzada, he just gave 520 00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:28.719 a presentation where he deciphered with the help of a German colleague, I believe 521 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:36.519 a you know, temple script that he argues even describes Atlantis in detail that 522 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:42.119 nobody has really been able to refute yet. So it's like this idea that 523 00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:47.679 it comes from Plato. Even Plato says it's like it. Just when anytime 524 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:52.119 I hear people say that, it's like, then you haven't even read the 525 00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:55.559 first paragraph of the dialogue because he tells you where it comes from. And 526 00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:00.840 then if Edgar Casey is telling you after the final destruction of Atlantis, the 527 00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:06.400 Atlanteans migrated to three parts of the world, and one of them was Giza. 528 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:10.159 And then you look at like Robert Bovall's research and it's like, well, 529 00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:15.360 the three pyramids appear to be aligned to ten four hundred and fifty BC. 530 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:17.800 Okay, that's when Edgar Casey said the pyramids were, you know, 531 00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.360 starting to be built. That's when Plato said Atlantis was basically about to be 532 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:28.760 destroyed, give or take five hundred years. That's when you know the younger 533 00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.880 dry has ended. That's when Maurice Ewing says, you know, we can't 534 00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:37.920 explain why there was freshwater diatoms that you know, we're probably above water in 535 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:45.039 ten thousand BC in the mid Atlantic. That's when you know all these other 536 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:50.199 stories from the other places. Edgar Casey said, the Atlanteans went like the 537 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:53.360 Yucaton that produced the Maya, which later produced you know, the Aztecs. 538 00:45:54.440 --> 00:46:00.840 Even their own stories suggest that Atlantis was real. So it's like either Edgar 539 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:07.960 Casey was a you know, bullshit artist, which I go to great lengths 540 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:13.000 to show in the book. All the people that tried to debunk him. 541 00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:20.039 A Harvard psychologist lived with him, a psychiatrist lived with him. All of 542 00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:23.320 them went specifically too debunk him, and later came out saying, you know, 543 00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:29.519 we cannot explain this. This is a truly aberrant person who actually has 544 00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:35.960 the ability to remote diagnose not just illnesses, but find missing objects and know 545 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.559 things that no one could know, non local information. And that's documented, 546 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.519 and I show that whole story in the book. It's like a sub chapter 547 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:50.880 of the book is how his powers work. But I think at the end 548 00:46:50.880 --> 00:46:54.639 of the day, it was, you know, something I did for me. 549 00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:58.920 You know, even though the book, to my great surprise, sold 550 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:04.119 thousands of copies and has become something of a career for me, I never 551 00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:07.360 set out to write a book for anybody. You know, I didn't. 552 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.800 I didn't care if one person wrote. I just said, I want to 553 00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:16.039 know, and I'm going to write the best goddamn book on this subject for 554 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:21.320 me. And if one other person likes it, great, But this is 555 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:25.159 for me. And like a crazy person, sometimes when I'm traveling and I 556 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:30.440 have a lot of books, I'll reread my own book and I'll find new 557 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:36.559 things every time, which to me is the sign that I actually did the 558 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:38.800 work. You know, that it does stand the test of time, and 559 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:45.360 I think it's, you know, been a really enjoyable thing. But it's 560 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:51.760 kind of something that after seven years I can say, all right, that's 561 00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:59.000 done, you know, now onto the next. Well, I can't wait 562 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:04.840 to see what you're coming with next, Michael, me too. Yeah, 563 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.199 but I really appreciate it, man, And I've actually got to get going 564 00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:14.559 now. I'm still teaching on the clock officially here. But you know, 565 00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:19.480 I really I encourage people. You know, it's on Kindle Unlimited. If 566 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.440 you don't want to, you know, purchase it. You can read it 567 00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.119 for free on Kindle Unlimited if you have that service. On Amazon preview it 568 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:31.559 and if you're interested in some of the sources and other researchers that are interested 569 00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:37.480 in this. You can go to my website Michael leflem one word l E 570 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:43.000 f l e M dot com and there's a lot of great resources there, 571 00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:50.960 and you know, other interviews and even copies of you know, public in 572 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.920 the public sphere books from the nineteenth and early twentieth century that might be tricky 573 00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:59.760 to find, and you can read those. I uploaded some great links. 574 00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:04.920 But you know, it's a collaborative effort. It's something I couldn't have done 575 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.119 without the work of you know, great researchers that you know, come hundreds 576 00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:10.760 of years before me, going back all the way to Plato. He was 577 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:15.000 very brave to put that out there. In his time, he was you 578 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.079 know, ridiculed by some of his Greek contemporaries. And you know, it's 579 00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.039 nothing new if you do anything. You know, Tesla was ridiculed. You 580 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:28.239 know, would anybody today say that Nicola Tesla's an idiot? No, but 581 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:34.280 many people at the time did, you know, so I obviously, you 582 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:38.079 know, I'm aware that certain people think this subject is is silly, but 583 00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:44.400 generally those people don't know anything, and so I'm not really you know, 584 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:50.440 I'm more concerned with other experts in the field who perhaps have found, you 585 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:55.719 know, additional or contradictory evidence. I'm actually always excited when somebody says, 586 00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:00.000 hey, you know that thing he said that actually might not be true, 587 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.320 but here's a better way to look at it. That actually excites me. 588 00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:10.599 You know. I actually really do not like authors that just blanketly say this 589 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:15.440 is the way it is, and if you disagree with this, dating you're 590 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:17.280 crazy, you know. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people like that. 591 00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:23.320 Their ego gets involved. If the you know, reshot structure is not Atlantis, 592 00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:27.119 signed, sealed and delivered, then go to hell. It's like, 593 00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:30.920 well, Atlantis was an empire according to Plato and all other sources, so 594 00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:34.960 you're goun to find traces of it in different places. You know. That's 595 00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:38.880 why I never say Atlantis as a single location. You know, there's the 596 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:44.480 British Empire, then there's London. Doesn't mean they're the same, you know, 597 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:46.559 I think. So what I suggest to people is, you know, 598 00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:53.880 just keep an open mind and imagine looking for the British Empire in the year 599 00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:01.000 twelve thousand and twenty two. What are you gonna find. It's gonna be 600 00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:06.719 very difficult, and we don't even build megalithic architecture anymore, so there might 601 00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:14.480 be no evidence of our current conversation ever again in the future. And does 602 00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:17.800 that mean we're fake. No, it just means that it's very difficult to 603 00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:22.920 say anything with authority. But it's just as stupid to say it's all fake 604 00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:31.360 that I cannot abide. I agree with you, Michael, thanks for being 605 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:37.800 on the Boundless Authenticity podcast. Absolutely man, and I wish you the best 606 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:42.079 brother. Same to you.