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Get some facts and come back and
Seebee. Get some facts and come back

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and Seebee. Don't throw out salaries
or other things. Get some facts and

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come back and Seebee. You can't
handle the true now told our players you

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need a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats

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in here. Looking in the mirror, I look good. I got my

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extra bands on, I got my
other shoes. Be a doll. We

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don't need no meals. We don't
need no cats. We need more dogs.

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Way out a detain why you're not
That day we weren't good. There's

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no sense of asking me things about
the game. I'm telling you. We

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laid an egg. So I'm not
gonna break it down for you. He

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sucks. He sucked, but we
laid an egg. That's all I have

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to say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna break it down for

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you. Nothing went well for us. It's on us. We have to

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figure it out everyway, eh Jodan
the final hour of the program. Hope

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I'm Matt Shepard and Trent Bally is
our producer today. I know we've got

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the text line open. Before you
want to get to that, we were

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just we had left off in Casey
mishead lines last night. Tigers lose to

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the Twins five to three, Casey
Meis goes on the IL and Tyler Mott

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signs a one year deal with the
Red Wings. It's pretty basic about what's

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going on right now. We talked
briefly a little baseball earlier, but we're

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into the football mode right now,
and we were talking about how this NFC

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North could possibly shake out and the
keys for the lines and what they did

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in the offseason to justify I think
people even outside Detroit and Michigan, justify

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the belief of why this team is
good enough to repeat as division champions,

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to repeat as a playoff contender,
and what many people feel like they should

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be getting to the super Bowl.
It's the next step, right, I

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mean people feel like there's a logical
step. You make it this point,

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then the next step has to be
at least one step further. I've never

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been a proponent of that. Ever, I don't believe just because you look

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when Peyton Manning won his first Super
Bowl against the Bears, did the Bears

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make it the next year? No? They did not. Now you might

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feel like that's too much of a
different scenario, but I truly believe that

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just because you reach it one year
doesn't mean you automatically get there the next

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year or kick the door in now, Buffalo Bills would have won a Super

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Bowl by now, right. How
about the Eagles from two seasons ago to

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last year? Dada? What about
the Panthers when they lost a Kurt Warner?

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Heck, the Panthers when they went
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think the next year shift. They
started zero to five that season in twenty

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sixteen. Wow, yeah, it's
I don't think it's just the logical next

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stuff for us. I think it's
fair to expect it. And here's here's

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the caveat. I mean, you
got to too healthy. But the caveat

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is this, The Lions did it
with a young corps, and that corps

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has remained intact. But what Trent
and I were talking about just before the

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break is the three things they really
needed that are big concern yours in mind.

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I say this collectively our big concern
for the Lions going into the off

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season. Uh oh, did they
miss their window because their offensive coordinator is

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going to be named a head coach
somewhere? No, he stayed, how

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will this team address its biggest weakness
its secondary? Well they did by getting

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a pretty damn good one in Carlton
Davis and by drafting two highly thought of

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cornerbacks, Terry Arnold from Alabama,
who nobody thought would be there for Detroit

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and Anus Rakestraw from Missouri, who
the Lions tell us we can only take

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him at their word. I suppose
tell us was their second rated cornerback on

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their board, and nonetheless, at
any rate, it's two SEC corners,

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and what do we know about SEC
corners? Well, yeah, I guess

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I mean again, Occuda is a
big ten corner. I'm not sure what

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we mean by that. Why Why
is Aha Clinton Dix Green Bay twenty fourteen

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Alabama corner? How's that working out? It was all right for a minute.

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I guess My point is just that
seems like Brad Holmes knows what he's

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he knows what he's after, he
knows what he wants, and he's got

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three years of a body of work
now where I'll trust it. Yeah,

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me too, But that's that's a
different argument. I'll take Brad Holmes's two

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eyes of talent over quote unquote and
SEC corner. That's all that's fair.

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Because when when you say SEC corner
at what's the cutoff for an SC?

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What if it's a Kentucky corner?
What if it's a Vanderbilt corner? They're

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both SEC guys right? To me
that that doesn't mean as much. I

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think the Big twelves a passing league, right has been for a long time.

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So you would think anybody who comes
out of there who's a first team

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All American, who's a really good
player? Anybody who comes out of there

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who turns your head, You're like, whoa this dude? Is it right?

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Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State. He
was a high draft pick by the

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Cleveland Browns back in twenty fourteen.
He was traded to Pittsburgh two years after

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he was drafted. It was ninth
overall. I would think that would have

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made a lot of people in Cleveland
pretty damn happy. Let's keep it local.

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You're a big spartan guy. How
good do you think Trey Wayns was

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at MSU? Awesome? No flies
on damn right? He was the eleventh

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overall pick I believe by the Minnesota
Vikings in twenty fifteen. How did his

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professional career turn out? Solid?
But not? He was not anything special?

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Yeah, he was just a guy. Do we think that Vernon Hargroves,

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the third who played in the SEC
at Florida, turned out to be

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a really good player at least eleventh
overall. Call back from earlier too.

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I mean Terry Fair went to Tennessee
and I did check on it. He

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was the twentieth overall pick. Twentieth
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between eighteen and twenty three, I
didn't know exactly when, and he was

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drafted ahead of Randy Moss. I
guess my point is just this. I

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have to be very careful because I've
seen it and you've seen it too often,

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where we get giddy over a guy
and immediately we insert them into a

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starting lineup at it at a position
like that, and that position's hard,

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at a position like that, and
we think automatically they're going to be successful.

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I think we've got to prepare ourselves. I hope I'm dead wrong here.

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I think we've got to prepare ourselves
for a learning curve that as talented

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as this young man may be,
and he is that many scouts can't be

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wrong. Okay, but there were
a lot of teams that passed too.

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A young man like this who's accomplished
as much he did at the collegiate level,

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in the most highly respected conference at
the collegiate level, for the highest

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respected coach at the collegiate level,
drafted by a guy you and I both

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trust because of his track record in
Brad Holmes, coached by a guy like

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Dan Campbell, and others who we
have seen the results from right, All

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those things add up to a plus. This is where the culture is so

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important. Yeah, it all adds
up to a win. Win, There's

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no doubt about it. I just
don't want to get too carried away because

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I expect him to have some slip
ups and that's okay. That doesn't make

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him a bad pick. It just
means that he is going to have to

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learn some things. We'll get to
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I look for something that is challenging
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I know when I pay the money, I'm going to get the best bargain

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I judge a lot of courses on
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if you want the complete package,
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the argument that Saint Ives is in
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and I want to get to some
text here, but I have to

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give you this real quick. This
is so funny. It was a really

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clever feature on SSI dot Com.
They went to a lot of the players

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on the PGA Tour and they said, when's the last time you had to

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pay to play golf? These guys
can go just about anywhere and get it

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comped. They'd love to go to
Tullymore Saint Ives. I can promise you

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that because it's a hell of a
challenge. But they asked them when's the

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last time you had to pay?
Stuart Sink said Pebble Beach twenty twenty with

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my son, so four years ago. For four years. And it's not

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like the only time they play is
on the PGA Tour, all right,

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So for four years that dude has
gone without paying any greens fees. Keegan

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Bradley, I just paid twenty seven
bucks for mini golf with my kids.

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Thanks Keegan, that wasn't the question. Jason Day said, every time I

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play Mount Vernon back home, I
pay a cart fee. Oh you pay

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twenty bucks. You pay a cart
fee twenty bucks. Adam Scott said I

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paid fifty five bucks Australian last January
at a public course. That's not a

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bad deal. Ryan Palmer said,
I took my son to play Pebble beachs

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last Thanksgiving. Wow, I know
exactly what that cost. Like, he's

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surprised that he's got a This is
what it's almost like. Politicians. Ask

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a politician how much is a wolf
of bread? How much is a box

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of cereal? They can't tell you, right. The running theme here is

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every answer is last January, last
Thanksgiving. It's been a minute for all

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these guys. Imagine having those resources
at your disposal. Yeah, it's incredible.

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Jordan Speed said, I'm not sure
about a Greens fee, but I

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paid for a four person pro am
at full rate at a corn Ferry event

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in Arlington near my house. This
is the best one of them all,

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Trent, listen to this. Matt
Kocher, who unfortunately was seen as a

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little bit of a cheap skate because
he kind of sure changed his caddy on

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a couple of different occasions, he
said this, Hum, it would have

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to be before college. I think
probably the mid nineteen nineties. Yeah,

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that's what at a round of golf
cost back then. Are you kidding me?

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That's outrageous. I've got a buddy
who's been in sales for his entire

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life. He's never had a car
payment. He's never had a car payment

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because it's his company pays for his
car. I think it's awesome. I'm

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not jealous. I'm happy for him. I think it's great. He doesn't

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know what it's like to pay X
amount one hundred dollars a month for a

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car payment. Yeah, that's what
you call a distorted perception of reality.

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To put it lightly, Probably the
best answer was Aaron Badley. He said

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last year, and I was happy
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Yeah, you know who's going to
be reading this, people like you

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and I who pay for it all
the time. For Matt Coocher to go

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ah, probably, I mean,
do me a favor, Matt, I

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mean, no one can really check
this a lot. Do me a favor,

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and humorous and exaggerate just a little
bit. Perhaps maybe something along the

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line say, oh yeah, last
year, I think I played a public

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course with a buddy of mine.
I think I did nineteen nineties. Yeah,

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I mean almost anything would have been
a better response than saying you haven't

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paid for golf in thirty years.
I mean, that is ridiculous for the

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common man to hear that. Kevin
Streielman said I paid a cart fee to

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play in a US Open, qualifier
recently. That was a first for me.

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Oh, first time you had to
pay. Huh, Welcome to the

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club again. Not being jealous or
anything with these guys, but these guys

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make millions of dollars playing the game
you and I play on the weekend if

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we're lucky as paying customers. Yeah, and in Michigan we're doing it for

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five decent months if we're lucky,
Okay, some of us. If you're

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playing, depending on the course,
you're saving up a little bit, right,

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you're excited, you're fired up.
These guys make millions of dollars to

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do this. They get an additional
hundreds of thous well into six figures for

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the sponsors that they have. And
they're telling us they're not having to pay

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for any type of golf even when
they're not playing on the PGA Tour,

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Because what are those what are those
courses saying? Are you kidding me?

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I would love to have Jason Day
out of my course? Can I get

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a picture? Go right ahead?
Right? And it's an added bonus if

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they have a good thing or two
to say about your course afterwards. Right,

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can't I give it? Right?
Can you give us a like?

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Exactly? Right? That's so funny. That is a great story idea though.

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I mean it just really it really
is. I mean, that was

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one of the more enjoyable stories that
I saw. I just I was so

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interested to hear what they had to
say because I really thought, naively,

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I thought maybe they were a little
bit like you and I. Hey,

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if I'm not playing at this track
the Travelers or I'm not playing the Rocket

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Mortgage Classic and I'm playing on a
week off, yeah I gotta pay.

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I guess they don't. It wasn't
a huge sample size, but it was

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big enough for me to get a
laugh out of it. Let's get to

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some texts you can text us at
sports Radio to twenty one thousand. We

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did have that conversation about the cornerbacks
and how the Lions have addressed that need,

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which is great. But I'm going
to try and keep it in perspective

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and not get too far ahead of
myself. I expect things from Terry on

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Arnold. I expect him to start. I expect us Rakestraw to be a

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contributor and a key one, and
I think they're both going to help Detroit's

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secondary that was an issue a year
ago that hopefully will become a strength this

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year. But I'm trying to keep
it in perspective. So I know.

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We got a couple other names texted
to us. Who are they? Bryant

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Westrook number five overall, jeff Alkouda
number three as we talked about, but

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shep quickly before we hit a break
here. I think this is in response

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to you and I calling Justin Jefferson
the best player in the NFC North.

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This texter says, give me Sewell
over Jefferson all day. Receivers don't win

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titles. Offensive line and quarterbacks do. I think that's good point. That's

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a great point. That's the first
name I thought of when you said Justin

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Jefferson. I thought Penny Suol,
but I didn't want to be too much

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of a homer. I love the
answer, though, and gotta love the

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attitude because you know me, I
love building from the inside out. Quick

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at Ferris dot edu. You received
the video of the dude in the arena

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when this song comes on, Trent, I have not so this guy is

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sitting by himself and it's he's not
the most masculine dude out there. Okay,

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he doesn't look like he's a former
athlete, but that's who cares,

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right But the bottom I'm just trying
to give you a description. And so

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he's got the black room glasses,
he's got the hair that looks a little

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bit dated, the outfit that looks
a little dated, and he's just kind

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of sitting by himself. I don't
know how the camera caught him, but

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this song comes out and he goes
absolutely nuts and starts breaking out of his

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shell, dancing up and down the
aisle talking to people, you know,

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mouthing the words to the bon Jovi
song, and it's an absolute classic.

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Now, he could have been a
plant, right, It could have been

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planted there and then they just happen
to catch him. But either way,

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whether it's planet or not, it's
hysterical and it's it's a lot of fun

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to watch. If you can possibly
find it, I don't know how you

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would, but if you can possibly
find it's it's really good stuff. I

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want to get to I want to
finish up some of the text. I

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know there's just some names, but
you and I were talking, Trent and

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I were talking about the cornerbacks for
the Lions in how they're going to be

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hopefully helping this defense get better,
helping this team in general get better.

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And I want to make sure we
get anybody who took the time to send

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in some texts, We want to
make sure that they're able to get those

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Reds. So give me just a
couple of the other names and then we'll

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move on. Yeah, I already
gave you Brian Westbrook and Jeff Okuda unfortunately,

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but do you know who Brian Restbook
is by the way, Yes?

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You know? Okay, So in
case people don't know, I think he

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was the fifth overall pick out of
Texas. Yes, Now, he did

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not necessarily have your typical cornerback build. He looked like he was more of

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a safety. He was a big, strong kid, but he was He

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had high grades coming out of the
Longhorn's football program, and he just did

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not work in Detroit, which I
guess really shouldn't surprise many of us at

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all. Okay, continue, Well, someone does bring up and I think

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this is a good point, Sauce
Gardner fourth overall. That's the flip side,

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right, that's an example of it
working out. Yeah, I think

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it's I'm glad they did that.
I'm not saying, please if it came

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across like I'm saying it's a dangerous
position to take super high, I'm not.

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I think it's a it's a vital
position. I'm what I'm saying is

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I want to and Sauce Gardner's at
Detroit or I want to make sure that

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we are understanding that it can be
a very difficult transition, that's all.

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And some people shep call cornerback the
most difficult position to play in the entire

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sport. So I think you're concern, for lack of a better term,

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as well founded. Yeah, I
wouldn't say I don't think it's the most

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difficult. I think quarterback is the
most difficult. The amount of things I

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don't know. If you saw a
recent interview with Tom Brady, it's fascinating,

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simply fascinating that while while you and
I, while Trent and I look

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at it was successful if he completed
the play, if he completed the pass,

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quarterbacks look at it like was I
reading it properly? Was it the

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right thing to do to make the
pass in the first place. That's one

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of the biggest challenges you walk it. It's hard to put into words For

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people who don't play the position.
I would strongly encourage you to go back

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and try to find it. Just
it happened within the last month. Tom

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Brady and the interview where he's explaining
the success of the position, where he

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is making the call going up to
the line of scrimmage, looking at the

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various things, the various reads,
changing the protection, changing the protection from

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the backfield, as well again reading
the defense, knowing their tendencies, knowing

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what play he has, knowing what
he can audible into. Then as he

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drops back, another read takes place. He sees that they were disguising something.

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He had to go to a certain
place, and then he had to

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put the ball in a certain place
for his receiver to make the play.

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Those are all the things before the
play is actually completed. And I'm not

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really doing it justice. It is
simply spectacular. Yeah, you want to

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talk about multitasking. Oh fulkus.
Yeah, I'm not saying corner is easy.

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It's not. None of it is
easy. Not one position on the

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field of play, in my mind, is easy. All I'm saying is

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at a cornerback position, whether you're
man to man or whether your zone,

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your your reads are much less than
what a quarterback has to do. So

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I think quarterback is the most difficult
position. I think I think corner is

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a very hard position to transition into
from college to the pro. And my

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guess would be the offensive tackle.
I think those are the three hardest.

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Again, I'm I never played them
at the NFL level, so I'm I'm

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basing it off of what coaches and
players have told me in the past.

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And the reason it's tackle is because
there is a certain guy inside. There's

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a certain guy, a fast the
fastest guy you've faced, you know,

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going from college to the pro,
the fastest guy you faced about to come

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at you. You've got twists,
you've got stunts, you've got clubs.

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All these guys doing what they're trying
to do to get to your quarterback,

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and you're doing everything you can without
clutching, grabbing, holding, understanding you

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know, the line of scrimmage call
that was made by the center listening to

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what the quarterback is doing. There's
making sure you don't go downfield too or

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whatever, all those things, and
you're doing it against guys who were two

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hundred and seventy pounds and stronger.
So I think that's I think that's part

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of the reason I think tackle might
be for me the second hardest, and

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then cornerback for sure, but whatever, I mean, look, those were

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good. That's a good example Sauce
Gardner of how a guy was drafted highly

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and he was successful I love that
again, not not the cornerbacks can't be

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successful. I'm hoping Terry on Arnold. I loved them at Alabama. I

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love the pick. I have high
expectations for him, just like he has

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of himself and the coaching staff and
all fans do for him. I'm just

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telling you, I want to be
sure to give this kid a little bit

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of wiggle room because I know it's
going to be challenging. And are we

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aut of text or are we're all
set? Yeah, we're all set.

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Okay, good, let me get
to this. This is and it's funny

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because one of the Texas just before
the break, brought up Trent said Justin

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Jefferson best wide reserve, best player
in the division, which made me pause

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for an extended period of time,
saying I never looked at it like that.

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Originally I would have said Penny soool, but I didn't want to be

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a homer And be quite honestly,
I mean, when you're when you're looking

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at an offensive lineman, are you
viewing them as the can they be the

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best player in their division? If
you're an offensive lineman, I don't care

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who you are. You can tell
me till you're blue in the face that

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you love linemen, you don't watch
them very often. You are watching the

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football. And that's okay. I'm
not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying

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it's hard for us to truly judge
offensive linemen because the only time we're recognizing

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them is if they're getting a penalty
called. Well, and also, shep

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there is that flavor of fan out
there that just kind of looks at stats,

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and that's what. Offensive linemen don't
have stats, right, Well,

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they have pressures, there's metrics and
stuff. Yeah, they're a metrics,

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but you and I have to dig
really deep to find them right, right,

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They're not as easily accessible you and
I can just look, Hey,

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you know, Justin Jefferson had nine
rocks for one hundred and thirty yards and

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two touchdowns. That's a hell of
a day. But we can't tell that

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Penney Sewel didn't allow any pressures because
we don't know what's determined as a pressure

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and not and we're too busy watching
the football go down the field rather than

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watch number fifty eight keep his quarterback
clean. Right, And not to say

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this is the biggest indicator, but
I mean, offensive linemen are often the

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unsung hero. You don't see many
kids running around wearing a Frank Ragnew jersey.

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You see him wearing Jamison Williams or
Amen Ross Saint Brown. How many

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kids did you grow up with when
you said, hey, what position do

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you play? Hey man, I'm
the center, I'm the right guard.

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I'm excited about it. You're not. They want the ball, Yeah,

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they want the ball. My oldest
son was a guard in high school.

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He was a big, strong kid. I loved it. I think I

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thought it was great, and they
were really successful. His team went to

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the state semi finals and division and
I think they were Division one. But

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anyway, bottom line is, I've
always watched the lineman. I've always watched

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guards. If their head pops up, it's generally a pass. If it

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stays down, it's a run.
That's kind of where I begin, because

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you can get fooled by play fakes
and so on and so forth from the

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quarterback. So I try as best
I can to watch the interior part of

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the offensive line. Folks. It's
I mean, football can be really difficult

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to follow. It can, and
when you're watching the interior of the offensive

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line, are you're noticing the wide
receivers. Are you noticing the tight end?

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You can't watch every position, so
I understand why a lot of people

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aren't watching the offensive line. I
just thought that text was fantastic when somebody

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said I think Penne Sewel is the
best, and I applaud that. I

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applaud that Texter for challenging me on
that, and look at it. It's

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not I don't think you need to
tear one down to prop the other up,

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if you know what I'm saying,
And if you think Penney Sewell is

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the best player in the NFC North, I got no issue with that.

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I am just simply looking at it
from I mean, I watched Nick Mullins

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almost beat the Lions last season when
they were trying to clinch the NFC North

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because Justin Jefferson was going nuclear.
It's not a matter of Rene Sewell's not

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close to number one. It's just
I think Justin Jefferson is as good as

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they get a soul to that point. But then you qualified it by saying,

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look, I mean we're talking about
you know, you hesitate to use

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skill positions, but you know the
guys who are responsible for putting up some

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points like that, so I get
it. But I again I applaud the

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Texter for thinking that way too,
because I think more football fans need to

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take that into consideration. But but
speaking of Penny School, there was a

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recent poll done where it's they were
looking at the offensive tackle rankings. I

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mean, this is where football stays
top mind awareness, right, I mean

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it's it's always in your face,
because there are so many different things to

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talk about. Oh yeah, when
it comes to football and rankings. Last

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year, the number one offense of
tackle going into last season was Trent Williams

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and then Lane Johnson. I remember
Philly was coming off of Super Bowl appearance.

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Johnson got a lot of love,
and rightfully so. Pennay Seul was

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ranked the tenth best tackle in the
league that was going into last season.

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This year, I don't know why. I'm not saying he doesn't belong there,

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but I do believe Trent Williams,
who is ranked number one is again

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it's based off reputation. Last year
did a really good job against guys like

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Micah Parsons and Miles Garrett and the
like. And he's made eleven of the

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past twelve Pro Bowls, so there
is something to be said, for a

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man who has done it as consistently
well as Trent Williams has in what will

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be a Hall of Fame career,
He's the number one ranked tackle. Number

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two is Penny Seel And what they
write about him as a profile is that

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he's the biggest threat to the top
spot, that he's already one of the

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elite tackles in the game, a
first team All Pro last year allowed just

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And here's this is Trent. You
and I were just talking about this.

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How do you decipher those statistics that
are most important? We'll hear you go

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ready. Sewell allowed just one sack
in six hundred and forty three pass blocking

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snaps last season. That doesn't jump
out at you on Twitter or social media

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or even in the game notes.
It's not in anybody's postgame article. It's

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something you've got to dig deep for. It's something you probably don't even notice

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unless you're told, because I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, Chef.

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I feel like Sewell almost has some
of that element where he's were numb

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to his greatness and how yeah stable
and consistent he is. He's awesome,

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right, He's so good, he's
almost boring, right, He's Scottie Scheffler

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in golf, so consistent and so
good. So the article continues and says,

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the best rate tackle in the league
last year allowed Just not there's another

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one ready. Nineteen pressures while playing
seventeen games. Domination dominating performance. In

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other words, the pressure rate per
drop back is three percent. Jared Goff

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does not have to worry when he
looks to his right the hair on the

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back of his neck is not standing
up because Penny Sewell is anchoring the right

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side. How many people give the
Lions on line credit as they should.

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It's the anchor of this team.
Panney Seules, the spearhead, the figurehead

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of that offensive line. Thinks he's
twenty three years old, barely scratching the

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NFL surface of his career, and
he's a superstar. He is. He's

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a superstar in the NFL. Would
you recognize him if he were walking down

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the streets of Grand Rapids. You
would look at him and say, my

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goodness, what a big man.
Right, you'd say that dude, I

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wouldn't want to mess with that guy. He's a bad cat. But I

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don't know if people would recognize him, not from a superstar status, and

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I want to get to the pole
question and the results of yesterday's pole question.

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So we've got one for you today. It's a pretty simple one.

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Is it time to start questioning the
iSER plan, not bailan, just question

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it, yes or no. You
can vote as often as you want on

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Axes and Bros, on Twitter or
on X Yesterday we asked you this which

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team has had the better free agent
signing period? Is it the Red Wings,

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the Pistons or neither? Trent Belly. What are the final results of

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yesterday's poll question? More than half
of you are less than please you say

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neither. Fifty five percent of people
who voted say neither. Red Wings got

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twenty nine percent of the vote.
Pistons excuse me, sixteen percent. So

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all in all, Chef, I
think that speaks to people's impatience, and

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people are starting to get a little
upset, and rightfully so, with the

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lack of a splash in the offseason
for teams that really have I mean,

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neither one of these teams made the
playoffs in years. Here's my only question

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with that. You tell me that
not you, but I mean fans tell

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me all the time free agents aren't
going to come here. What's your expectation.

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See, I don't buy that.
I don't either don't buy that.

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I don't buy that they won't come
here. I think you have to give

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them a winning environment. I think
I think you have to give them a

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little bit of a belief and you've
got to sell that to them. Not

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every organization has to sell it.
It comes automatically with the territory. I

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think you have to sell it here
in Detroit. How many players would want

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to play for Dan Campbell Rad Holmes, Right, but they're not coaching or

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running the Red Wings or the Pistons. Right. But I'm just saying Detroit

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as the destination to your point.
Yeah, it's not always about the city

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in the weather. Yeah, Kevin
Zeitler is one of the top interior alignment

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and he wanted to come here.
It's good stuff. Hey, Trent,

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