WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:26.359 Toby bell Ringer. Welcome to bat Flip and Nerds. Hello and welcome to 2 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:29.760 Backwards and Nerds in Facebook podcast with Chris Chris. I am your host this 3 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:35.000 evening, Russell Leesome. I am joined by two of our other contributors to 4 00:00:35.039 --> 00:00:40.240 get into the deep and discussive nature of close to postseason baseball and what is 5 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:44.520 going to happen in these final few weeks to decide who's going to make the 6 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.920 playoffs, who are going to be the MVPs and the cy Youngs. So 7 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:52.079 of course I'm going to come straight away to Rob Neveras to give us an 8 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:57.719 opinion. How are you Rob? An opinion on how I am? Yeah, 9 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:03.560 my opinion is I quite like that I'm fair to good. So I'll 10 00:01:03.599 --> 00:01:11.319 go with fair to good. And the other man, the other statsman within 11 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:15.920 the BfN crew, Darius Austin, how are you? I'm good? Am 12 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:19.599 I allowed to disagree with Rob's opinion about how he is? Or I think 13 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.079 you can. I think the point of a podcast is maybe that people do 14 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:26.480 do a bit of disagreeing and don't just kind of agree with everything that everybody 15 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:32.840 says. Dreadful take from Rob, I'll tell you at the end of the 16 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:38.040 podcast, t Rob is okay, So, as I let off, I 17 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:42.000 think we are very much into this final stretch of the baseball season, and 18 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:48.280 that means that the playoff races is what is on the lips of everybody. 19 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:53.760 The AL is pretty much looking down to a position where we've got what three 20 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.640 teams pretty much dead, sir, two teams in a close position, and 21 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.239 then a few other teams getting close to it. So maybe we're looking now 22 00:02:01.319 --> 00:02:07.120 what six from seven? Darius? Would you agree? I agree? Yes, 23 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:12.680 the central is done. Finally, painful experience for rulers concluded. Oh, 24 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:17.759 yes, the Guardian Angel did not do their work. The Guardians waiver 25 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:23.159 claims didn't come through for them. Yeah, the Twins have limped their way 26 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.919 over the line there pretty much, so that's done. You know, the 27 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:30.960 raising Orioles are getting in in some order. So yeah, it's down to 28 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.840 the Astros, Mariners, Rangers, and Blue Jays. One of them is 29 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:38.039 not going to make it. And at this point you've probably probably been on 30 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:39.719 the Astros, but you know, there are only a couple of games ahead, 31 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:43.319 so I think all still to play for in the West there, and 32 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:47.159 obviously the Blue Jays and Mariners have the same record right now, So it's 33 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:53.199 yeah that that last pot should be pretty fun. I think wait, hang 34 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:54.159 on, hang on, you said one of them is not going to make 35 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:59.159 it. Yeah, I'm trying to do the maths here. Sure, surely 36 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.800 they could all make it because the raising the ARA is one of the most 37 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:08.560 getting the world card. There's three wild cards. Yeah, yeah, but 38 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:17.879 yeah, horribly misunderstanding baseball. So one of those three AO West teams is 39 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:23.439 winning the out West. I'm pretty confident about the Orangers of the Rays are 40 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:24.919 taking one of the wild card spots. So you've got two wild card spots 41 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:30.960 left, two West teams, so the Blue Jays might take it. I 42 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:34.639 agreed, the blue Jays might get in there, but there is a very 43 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:38.400 good chance that we have after the beginning of the season where it was all 44 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:40.439 at least, there is a very good chance we could end up with Astro's 45 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:44.879 Rangers and Mariners, which I think actually probably would be the funny way of 46 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:49.800 doing it, right, I've understood this correct have I would be an interesting 47 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:52.319 way if it comes out. They're pretty much what they're all. They're all 48 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:57.599 eighty wins right now, the Rangers, so yeah, yeah, the Rangers 49 00:03:57.599 --> 00:03:59.759 have played one for your game. But they all have eighty wins. Yeah, 50 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:01.759 and asterroids rety too. Yeah. Yeah, so so one might not 51 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.919 miss out in the West. That's valid comment. When I said one of 52 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:09.240 them is going out, I was including the budgets in that calculation, right, 53 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:14.800 Okay, removed, Thank you, You may continue. But yeah, 54 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:19.519 so let's let's let's quickly a Pine on the Ale Central which does look done 55 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:25.399 and Dust did. It's very weird. I've obviously followed this closer than probably 56 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:29.920 most people have as a Guardians fan, to watch them kind of give up 57 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:31.160 then be like, oh, we only have to spend a little bit of 58 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:36.680 money here and we can actually maybe get something worthwhile, or at least spoil 59 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:42.759 other people's chances of taking these players. Maybe the fact that they were just 60 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.279 willing to go after the players in Minnesota wouldn't have them. But they did 61 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:50.160 well in the first series against Minnesota, then did okay in a series against 62 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:56.000 Los against the Dodgers, and then just got absolutely hammered in a couple of 63 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.600 games against it the Twins, and then from there on you're just like, 64 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:05.319 okay, onto the next season of a level of ineptitude. Is there something 65 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:10.439 to say about the Twins for this postseason. They're not going to face the 66 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:15.319 Yankees, which is like, I'm now oddly thinking that like our Twins and 67 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:18.279 outside bets to do it all now because they are going to make a postseason 68 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:24.040 without having to face the Yankee. I mean, probably my favorite ongoing postseason 69 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:29.000 storyline is the Twins having lost eighteen consecutive postseason games in a row, most 70 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:32.120 of which have been to the Yankees. They haven't won a playoff games since 71 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:35.199 two thousand and four, I think it is, even though they've been in 72 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:40.879 the playoffs obviously a few times since then. So it is an impressive record 73 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:42.800 and it's one of those where I'm like, I feel bad for them, 74 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.519 but also it would be quite funny if they made the playoffs and didn't win 75 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.319 a game again. Yeah, the rotation is, you know, it's good 76 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:55.959 now. The pitching is they kind of fixed it. Podcast Hero Joe Ryan's 77 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:58.959 fallen off a little bit, but Pablo Lopez has been great. Sonny Gray 78 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:03.879 has been great. You have some questions about the lineup. You know, 79 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.800 there's been some hot streaks in that, but do we really know if Royce 80 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:13.160 Lewis is a superstar? Max Kepler goes very hot old Carlus Gray as a 81 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.639 playoff stud, but he's been dreadful. It could end up being a pretty 82 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:21.120 lifeless lineup in the in the postseason. I could easily see that happening. 83 00:06:23.040 --> 00:06:25.639 And then Buckston is hurt again and hasn't been that good when it's been on 84 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:30.839 the field. So you know, I wouldn't bet on them, but it 85 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.480 would be nice to see them win a playoff game. I think that would 86 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:39.920 be nice for Twins fans. Robbert shaking his head, don't they've not learned. 87 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.240 I think they've not earned that win. I think it's what Robin is 88 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:46.000 getting at. Yeah. No, they're a bunch of busses. No, 89 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.439 no, because they're gonna be likely all likelihood playing the Raise in the in 90 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:51.439 the get right, no weight, So they're going to be playing Oh I 91 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:56.560 have this is too complicated for me. I'm not gonna lie right So who 92 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:05.600 as I'm right now, the Twins would be playing the second best wild card? 93 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:12.000 Is that right? No? I am't what clue. So it is 94 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.959 three will face so they'll play the bottom. The Twins will play the worst 95 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:20.480 wild card team, right, Okay, okay, fine? All right? 96 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:23.399 Then? Yes, so they are allowed to win some games. I thought 97 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:25.879 they might be playing the Rays, but they probably won't be playing the Rays. 98 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:28.639 They're probably going to be playing an A worst team or the Blue Jays. 99 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:31.040 Go a yeah, given the competition of like, what's obviously going to 100 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:34.480 happen for whether as of right now? Yeah, okay, the race finished 101 00:07:34.560 --> 00:07:40.560 first in the division in fact, no, actually, right now going on 102 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.800 live, the Rays are playing the Twins, and the Twins just leveled it 103 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.040 up. So yes, grew them. I don't want them to win a 104 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.680 single game. They can. They can carry on their their great, big 105 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:54.879 fun postseason. Whatever that was kaykl is winning? How was that? Who 106 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:59.959 knew Gallas Kaikol was alive before today? This is ridiculous. The only reason 107 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:03.000 why I knew Dren's Clarker was alive before today it was because he got very 108 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:07.600 close to doing a brigging no hitter or no hitter a few weeks back, 109 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:11.519 commenting on it. Literally lost it within two minutes I think of me commenting 110 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:16.759 on it. But yeah, so that's obviously a central is pretty much done 111 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:22.160 and dusted. I don't know the tiebreaker actually, I'm just looking at the 112 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:24.040 wild card. I assume it's in order, and which looks like the Mariners 113 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:28.160 have the tiebreaker over the Blue Jays, but I'm not sure if that's yes. 114 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:33.000 Sadly, we no longer have Game one sixty three, which is our 115 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:41.039 whole delightful entropy. The tracker that was done by J Jappy in the past 116 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:45.639 was ruined in twenty twenty two once they changed to the twelve round wild card 117 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:48.080 system. But yes, so as who said, at least pretty much looks 118 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:54.080 like the Raisin and the Orioles have got that wrapped up. It's just deciding 119 00:08:54.120 --> 00:09:00.679 who basically takes the winning record and who goes down there's probably the world card 120 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:05.679 team and then has to kind of be away for most of the postseason and 121 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:09.919 run. Darius, are you making any predictions one way or the other there 122 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:15.000 about whether the Rays or the Orioles will finish up. I'm always going to 123 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.200 take the team that's already got the position. You know, the Orioles have 124 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:24.879 continued to play pretty good baseball, which has managed to keep the lead there. 125 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.759 And yeah, I think you know, at this point in the season, 126 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.559 I think you just have to bet on the Orioles that just having the 127 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:33.360 wins in the bank accounts for a lot when you've got this few games to 128 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:37.320 play, So we'll see how it goes. Obviously, the Raiser are also 129 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:41.000 approaching a point where they don't have a ton to play for as well, 130 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:43.240 so we'll see what it's like. You know, if the gap is still 131 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:46.440 the same in a week or so, are they're really going to keep pushing 132 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:48.240 it this harder or are they just gonna be like, you know what, 133 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.480 we're the top wild card, let's take it. And it could be interesting 134 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.399 because those two teams could be the only one the Twins get as well, 135 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:01.200 couldn't actually line up there players fall the pictures for the postseason where it's obviously 136 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.440 as we get to it, like the Astros, the Blue Jays, the 137 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:09.559 Rangers, and the Mariners are potentially going to have to play for every single 138 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:13.320 game that's left, so it could be having to put out top pictures in 139 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:18.120 Games one sixty one and games want sixty two. Yeah, but I mean, 140 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.240 like, what are the Rays going to do? Is Zach Lintel or 141 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:24.759 Erasmo Ramirez? I mean, there's nothing left there, There is nothing left 142 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:28.960 to line up. I mean, yeah, fine, okay, we're gonna 143 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:31.759 We're gonna point Zach Efflyn and Tyler Glass now at the beginning of it. 144 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:33.519 But yeah, is that it? I mean there's nothing, there's not much 145 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.559 rotation to do that. You only need to win two games in the World 146 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:41.399 cald Series. So well, good job where he got two pictures. Has 147 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.720 been pretty good, doesn't he. I mean I don't believe it, but 148 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.200 he has been pretty good, been good, but losinging every time? Yes, 149 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:52.159 absolutely, Yeah, I will also question, like you do have Savali 150 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:56.639 as well. I know he's not looked particularly good in the few games that 151 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:01.240 he's played for no tampery here, but his underlying numbers are much better for 152 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:09.159 you than they were. Quickly everything, Yes, so one of those returned 153 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.919 to the year, return to them a little bit dun and dusted this weekend 154 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.080 because the Rays and the Orioles have a four game series, which that that 155 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:24.919 is that is essentially the decided that division. I think, yeah, if 156 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:28.639 if the Orioles win that series, then yeah, that's so. Yeah, 157 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:35.200 we'll see. So that takes us obviously then too. Let's obviously the Blue 158 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:37.720 Jays have a chance, but we'll talk about them in relation with the other 159 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:43.480 wild card teams. Let's quickly talk down about but all West as just have 160 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:48.720 a two game lead. They did just lose a couple of games to the 161 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:58.360 Athletics, which is always an amusing one to to see. But Pancrass has 162 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.679 them at like ninety five percent chance of making the playoffs, whereas it has 163 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:05.480 like the Rangers and the Mariners both at like seventy. Do you really think 164 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:11.559 that they're that much better that like a two game lead basically almost makes them 165 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:16.679 a dead sirt to either win the division or make a playoff spot. I 166 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:22.639 would say probably yes. Actually, I think the Rangers have just pulled out 167 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.679 of their absolute nose dive. I still don't particularly believe in the Mariners. 168 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:31.639 If you look at that Astro's team and line it up man for man against 169 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:37.559 the opposition, you would be hard pressed to pick another team. Yet, 170 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:39.559 you know, the middle of field for the Rangers are looking very good. 171 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:45.399 But as a complete team, you know, the Mariners can't hit without Julio, 172 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.360 and the Rangers have a bunch of old guys, are all hurt pitching, 173 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:54.200 Like the Astros may not have star power, but they are solid on 174 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:58.360 both and you know solid teams. I think you know they're all rounder. 175 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.080 It tends to be a little bit better. I like their bullpen more than 176 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:05.279 I like either bullpen of the oppositions, and you know, you know late 177 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.639 in seasons where you're you're scratching for every win, I think a bullpen makes 178 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:13.000 a difference. So yeah, I think it's fair that you look at the 179 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:18.200 Astros team, which is full thorough, thorough breed. You know, it's 180 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.799 it's been there, it's done it, it's it's got that that pedigree. 181 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:24.200 And I think if you had to look at that lot and say who's gonna 182 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:28.440 Who's gonna blow this, it's least likely to be the Astros. So yeah, 183 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:33.639 I'm happy to say the Astros should be firm favorites. I will also 184 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:39.480 say that the Astros play six more against Kansas City. I just I just 185 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:46.080 already one hundred and one. I think loss Royals, yes, just a 186 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:52.559 big part of that arts calculation. Yeah, the schedules are definitely in the 187 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.759 favor of the As. The Mariners. My word, they do have Oakland 188 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:00.639 still, but they've got the Dodgers next, then Oakland, then Texas, 189 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:05.480 then Houston then Texas. It's gonna be it's gonna be fun last ten days. 190 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.919 But yeah, the same night, if you look at like the Blue 191 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:15.399 Jays. They've obviously there in the series right now with Texas, so two 192 00:14:15.440 --> 00:14:22.159 more games against them, then Boston Yankees raised Yankees raised. So not the 193 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.240 fact that obviously Boston and the Yankees are really competing, but they're both teams 194 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:31.080 that are in around five hundred and in some regards would probably wouldn't mind stuff 195 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.120 in the Blue Jays to stop them making the playoffs. So and then the 196 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:41.559 Raids, which as as we've kind of alluded to, might not be playing 197 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:46.080 at one hundred percent or could be still trying to push for that that seat, 198 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.679 that number one seat to give them the extra break. So I'm gonna 199 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.519 put you on spot Rob and Darius, I'll give my thoughts as well. 200 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.080 Who who are the two wild who are the three slots going to? Who 201 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.039 you get him winning the Ale West? And who are you given the other 202 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:07.919 two wild card spots? Two? All right, first, I am having 203 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:16.120 a wild cards as raised Rangers Mariners in the order. And you think so 204 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:20.559 that means you think that the Astroids will win the AL West. Yeah, 205 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.320 Socas will win the AL West, and unfortunately that Blue Jay's running is just 206 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:28.159 a bit tough for them. Darius said, he just sweep the Raise rangularly. 207 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:33.360 I think I think the Range is gonna blow it like that. I 208 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:37.200 think Seattle's gonna use those seven games and overtake them. I don't know why 209 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:39.879 I got a feeling. I mean, I partly know why, because the 210 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:45.759 Rangers have started to look a lot more shaky than they were a doll DISCUSSI 211 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:50.440 has hurt, now evolves these probably hurt and still pitching. The rest of 212 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:56.879 the pitching is falling apart. Yeah, I think I think Seattle's going to 213 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:02.240 do it. Well, I'll toss out the other one then I'll I'll say 214 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:03.480 that the Blue Jays and the Rangers will make it. The Astis will win 215 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:08.720 the division, and the Mariners will will will fall short. Well on going 216 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:15.559 covered, all the bases are covered unless us blow it. Yeah, true, 217 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:21.039 I've gotta be honest. If the Astros had nine games against the Athletics 218 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:25.240 and Royals in the last twenty and they don't win it, then I don't 219 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:29.440 really know what they're doing. No, No, to be honest, losing 220 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:33.799 those first two against the Ads is pretty shocking. But yeah, it's very 221 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.639 on astros, isn't it. Jogging or Astroids would never have done this, 222 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:42.159 getting shut out by the A's in a key playoff for contention games down the 223 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:48.320 stretch. Yeah, all right, let's move on to the NL, where 224 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:53.679 we have the Braves, who have actually clinched their spot. They are still 225 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:57.200 the only team that's actually confirmed to the postseason, aren't they. Everybody else 226 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:00.559 can still theoretically be catched. They can win the division tonight. I think 227 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.039 technically if they win in the Phillies lose, I think they can they can 228 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:07.599 win it. I might be wrong, but I think that they can take 229 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.599 They can clinch the sixteen games up and they've only got seventeen to play. 230 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.559 M Yeah, so yes, the Braves. The Braves are there, the 231 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:23.079 Dodgers are there, The Brewers are pretty much certain to be there. They 232 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:27.160 could potentially be caught by the clubs, but I don't think that's likely. 233 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:32.880 So we've got like our three division winners. I don't think anybody's really going 234 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:40.839 to disagree they're wrong, Darius, No, no arguments, No arguments there, 235 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:44.559 well, no, no, no, no. It's not beyond the 236 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:48.319 realms that the Cubs could push the Brewers into a wild card. It's definitely 237 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:52.599 possible. I just don't think they will no, no, no, but 238 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:56.279 I mean you've got the same difference in games there as the Rays and the 239 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.799 Orioles currently have. I don't know. If they played each other again, 240 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.559 I would imagine they probably do the way they've they've shared your do, but 241 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:06.440 not till the final series. So so that that could be one to watch 242 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:08.960 because if they play three games, there's there's four games between them right now. 243 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.240 It really only needs the Cubs to pick up a game in between, 244 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:17.799 and yeah, it's possible. So I'm I'm not all I'm not sold on 245 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:22.000 the Brewers winning that division yet. Okay, but you probably sold on both 246 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.440 of them making the postseason. Oh yes, they will both make the postseason. 247 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.640 Yet, so if we put that, and I think if we're saying 248 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.160 that, you're probably also sold on the Phillies making the postseason. Yes, 249 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:40.559 yeah, yeah, I think I think there's Yeah, there's not enough time 250 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:45.400 left for the police to play it. So unlike then al situation NL situations, 251 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:52.920 we now have four goes into one for for that final wildcard spot. 252 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:57.839 The theo were hot and they're not, and then maybe hot and then not 253 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:03.240 again. The diet who have seemingly just plodded along with them mediocrity for most 254 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:10.160 of the season, the Marlins with the utterly unpredictable record of how on earth 255 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:14.880 they're actually here I still quite don't understand in baseball, and the Reds, 256 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:19.680 who obviously have being probably one of the most entertaining teams in baseball this year 257 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:26.839 but still have just injuries and lack of probably high end players. Is it's 258 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:32.559 probably just gonna hurt them. Darius, Do you do you want to pick 259 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:36.000 one of those four and give me an idea on what you think their chances 260 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:45.319 are. Yeah, there's a lot of just not very baseball things. I 261 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:51.799 just I think probably if I was going to pick, I like the Diamondbacks 262 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:57.640 the best. Yeah, the Marlins are just the bad baseball team. I 263 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:02.240 think, you know, not even I think the Giants are a five hundred 264 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:04.799 team. I think the Reds are probably five hundred team. I think the 265 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:10.920 Marlins are not. And now Arises not hitting four hundred, it's fall apart. 266 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:18.079 But yeah, I just there's a lot of mediocrity here, and I 267 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:21.680 guess that I could go either way. So yeah, I'm gonna put the 268 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:27.039 Diamondbacks in. I don't think the Marlins are going to do it. Yeah, 269 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:30.640 I don't think Giants are can do it, so yeah, give me 270 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:37.480 the Backs. Roll we think about the Marlins and the Giants is that they 271 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:42.400 have the exact same record, yet for some reason, the Giants feel like 272 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:47.480 they have a chance because they're a little bit more serious, but the Marlins. 273 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:51.200 Marlins feel like a punchline, which I'm terribly sorry if Marlins fans out 274 00:20:51.200 --> 00:20:56.799 there. There is something odd about the Marlins that it just feels like it 275 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:03.559 shouldn't really be happening. So it's probably d Backs by default, but they're 276 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:10.039 going to get dicked by whoever they face or should do. It feels like 277 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:11.480 it feels like I like the d Backs for it. It feels fun, 278 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.279 it feels like it's part of this season. They feel like they've been a 279 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.039 real story this season, So I guess I would. I would like to 280 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:23.400 see them there. I think the Pirates are the ones that I think I'm 281 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:29.839 not saying they're going to make it. Honestly. I saw the Pirates play 282 00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.720 The Razors year in person, at the point where the Pirates are at their 283 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:37.720 absolute peak, and to think, after that long run, they've just become 284 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.160 such a pile of crap. That's the thing that really sort of upsets me 285 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:47.400 about this this NL race, because it was absolutely possible for the Pirates to 286 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:51.920 be borderline okay enough to have a proper run at this yet they've still managed 287 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:56.880 to fail it. So if I had to pick a team, I still 288 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:00.200 I'm looking at the Giants, and I can't look beyond the Giants. I 289 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:04.839 think there's there's real a bit more pedigree there than the Diamondbacks. Plus I 290 00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:07.720 think they're they're starting to look a little nicer over the last couple of weeks. 291 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.839 The hitting has got a bit better, They've got some of the their 292 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:15.319 old guys back, and yeah, Okay, as a wild choice, I 293 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:21.759 think I might take the Giants over the Diamondbacks. Nice. I like it. 294 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:25.680 Yeah, it's a really weird one because obviously when we have the twenty 295 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:27.960 twenty season, there was this whole chat about, oh what they put sixteen 296 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:33.160 teams in the playoffs and you ended up somebody without like a positive record getting 297 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:36.119 to the playoffs. I think on the NL center, I think this this 298 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:40.440 final wild card, it's going to be like eighty three eighty four wins, 299 00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:45.599 which is like pretty naff to be getting into the playoffs. And this shows 300 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:52.119 you kind of the back end why I think the twelve team system is not 301 00:22:52.240 --> 00:23:00.279 the greatest because you are rewarding mediocrity and you are then allowing somebody who's kind 302 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.799 of nap to make it into the postseason. Like, hey, we're going 303 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:07.799 to get to what I'm getting at is there's the possibility of like a Cincinnati 304 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:14.960 Minnesota World Series like we had back in or was it Darius when the Giants 305 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:19.440 went against the Royals. Were they both wildcard teams like twenty fourteen? Yeah, 306 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:22.000 yes, yeah, they are both teams, and now we can have 307 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:25.880 even worset wild card teams. Obviously Minnesota on a wild card team, but 308 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.960 they're probably going to have the worst record out of any of those things. 309 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:32.440 Obviously, we don't know if this is going to happen. That was the 310 00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:34.160 year the Royals kept sweeping people as well. I wasn't it like the wild 311 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.039 card and they went to the playoffs and the Life and they swept the Orioles. 312 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.000 Who else was the Angels? Wasn't it that was the Trouts onny playoff? 313 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.799 Yeah? I think, and yeah they got they got. Yes, 314 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:49.440 that was the They played baseball the way it should be played. Put the 315 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:55.759 ball in play and make stuff happen. It's defensive outfield of all time. 316 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:00.599 So this is all you knew. Yes, Oh, just to continue our 317 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.720 trend, I'm going to spice it up. I think the I think I'm 318 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:10.240 gonna go with Cincinnati. I'm gonna gonna take a bed on just kind of 319 00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:15.599 like this, this young, maybe kind of interesting team is going to pull 320 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:18.000 something out of their ass for the final few games. I was looking to 321 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:23.720 see, like who has like an easier or a harsher like run in and 322 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:27.640 definitely like the Marlins probably have like the hardest running, which for me then 323 00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:34.680 puts them into the difficulty and the Reds potentially have like the best running. 324 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:38.960 Obviously, we don't know how these things play out, but they've got to 325 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:44.319 finish off a series against Detroit and then they've got the Reds. Looks like 326 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:45.480 a list of teams are nothing to play for, it doesn't it? Yeah, 327 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:48.319 exactly, They've got the Mets, then they've got the Twins, the 328 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:53.359 Pirates, the Guardians, and the Cardinals. So either already in or already 329 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:57.079 out. Yeah, John's got by seven Morgans, the Dodgers, which, 330 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:02.119 yeah, maybe the Dodges we have I think to play for. Yeah, 331 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:04.880 they're not going to catch the Atlanta and they're not going to be caught by 332 00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:11.759 anyone in the NS. So yeah, so that seeds. So yeah, 333 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:17.880 that's where I'm going to go there. So that gives us our kind of 334 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:21.240 idea of what we think the playoff pitch is going to look at like before 335 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:26.519 we jump to having some discussions about who we think could be winning some awards. 336 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:30.000 At the end of this season, I have a game I'd like to 337 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.799 play with Rob and Darius here and you at home can participate with this game. 338 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:38.839 Adam Wayne Right. It's currently sat at one hundred and ninety nine wins. 339 00:25:40.440 --> 00:25:45.960 He has the opportunity to play three more games this season. Their games, 340 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:51.359 I think will be against the I looked it up now and I've completely 341 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:56.000 forgotten the world and Russell. The games will be against the Brewers, probably 342 00:25:56.039 --> 00:26:03.519 the Padres, and probably the Threats. So he's got to play Brewers, 343 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:11.680 Hardres, ad Reds. Let's start with Darius will Adam Wayne Right. Get 344 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:18.759 it's two hundredth win? Yes or no? I think yes, but only 345 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:23.200 because there is like no other thing left for the Cardinals to do this season 346 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:30.519 except forget. Adam Wayne Right is two hundredth wins. Yeah, it's been 347 00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.160 a dreadful, dreadful season. I'm sure he wishes that he had just retired 348 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:41.359 with Yuddy and Albert, because yeah, it's really like just ruined what was 349 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.079 otherwise a fantastic career. Just absolutely miserable. Not a major league, major 350 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.720 league season. No. But at the same time, one of these three 351 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.920 games, surely he can just go five innings and the Cards offense can get 352 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:59.559 it together and get him the win. Surely it's all happened if we had 353 00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:02.240 enough to time, because let's face it, we didn't prepare well enough for 354 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:04.039 this, we probably could have worked out like who he was likely to be 355 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:08.680 up against, and I think that probably would make a difference to my answer. 356 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:11.880 So I'm going to cop out and say, you mean you mean which 357 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:18.319 starting pictures He's say single. Yeah, So I has him against Freddie Peralta 358 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:23.319 for the Brewers game and Pedro Avila for the Padres game, and that's winnable 359 00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:29.039 since the early game is kind of too far down to kind of really predict. 360 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:37.279 Okay, I'm gonna go with I l with carf Strain running to first 361 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:44.319 to cover a ground out there to cap off the cardinal citizen. Yep, 362 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:51.119 absolutely he gets He gets carried off the field screaming and crying happy happy, 363 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:56.200 Oh Rob, you you are. You are a pure delight to give us 364 00:27:56.200 --> 00:28:00.640 such such a methodology of his kind of career, Poten actually finishing. Yeah. 365 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.400 Is Adam Wain right the worst of any of those pictures this season? 366 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:10.680 Yes, obviously he is probably the worst picture and magically gress what this isn't 367 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:15.359 by some measures, but baseball it's weird and you know, pedro Via is 368 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:22.640 not like you, darvish, so win that game. I think it is 369 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:25.480 fair that we do need to tell our listeners that Adam wain writes r A 370 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:32.359 four the season is seven point nine five, So yes, it isn't striking 371 00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:36.359 out under five per nine. It's like it looks like it looks like a 372 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:40.960 dead ball era strikeout right or something. It's yeah. I think it's the 373 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:44.839 best bet is to to pitch him in an innings of relief when it's a 374 00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.079 tide game is probably his best bet. Let's let's let's get him on in 375 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.680 the Ballpenn that that is his best chance of getting this children at the win. 376 00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.000 I think not starting games is certainly not in his Wheelhouse right now, 377 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:57.400 I was about to say, like I was now about to look its been 378 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:03.119 cut. Has he actually pitched in real since like his first and second season, 379 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:06.279 because I know he debuted as a reliever, as he've pitched any games 380 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:08.599 in relief in between. I think he has, but maybe because of like 381 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:17.440 an injury or an open situation. But yes, no, yeah, I 382 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:22.279 think I'm going to be a party poop party pooper here. I think I 383 00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:26.880 I've seen him play this year, and while this year being kind of a 384 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.200 rough thing, was saying, I've watched him play the team essay against teams 385 00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.640 GB in the WBC and compared to some of the pitchers which the GB team 386 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:40.200 faced afterwards, he made some of those GB players look like major league players 387 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:45.920 and some of the what he's thrown this year, it's clear that he's not 388 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:52.680 good enough. Like there's he's only still on this Cardinals team because they actually 389 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:55.920 don't have anything to play for his Darius has said, and Robert said, 390 00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:03.480 but he is, yeah, putting like a detrimental kind of like finishing finish 391 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.359 on his career effectively to try and get back two hundredth win. Well, 392 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:11.640 I don't think he has really anything else to actually like play for it is 393 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:18.279 an awful consideration. Sorry to interrupt, but so let's let's say Adam Wainwright 394 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.759 like loses, he's a terrible and he's lost every single game that he's started, 395 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:26.880 and he starts every fifth day. That would be thirty two games. 396 00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.279 Now, let's say half of those were his fault and a half won't. 397 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:40.079 If we add fifteen games to the Cardinals Cardinal's total, I mean, they're 398 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:41.720 still crap, but you know they're they're there, you know. Like, 399 00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:48.119 let's so if if Wainwright was only kept culpable for half of his terrible starts, 400 00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:51.519 he's he's only pitched twenty games this season. He's not pitched the full 401 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.960 season. But okay, so add ten to that and they are still in 402 00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:00.039 the conversation. Potentially, Yeah, I think it's not an unreasonable thing to 403 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:06.440 day. My only next, my final question for this is if he doesn't 404 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:10.039 get to two hundred at the end of the season, is he still a 405 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:15.400 Cardinal at the start of the next season. You can't do that. He's 406 00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:22.279 a royal. Wayne Wright and Grenky in Kansas City. Yes, like that 407 00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:26.279 they hold hands and they pay. I mean, we should say that Wayne 408 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.960 only needed five wins at the start of this season to get to two hundred, 409 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.200 so that's that's what's happened this year. Wins are a flawed stat but 410 00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:38.200 in this particular extreme, I think it is indicative of how the season has 411 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.759 gone. What's to be fair? If he does go to Kansas City, 412 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:45.799 he can join the likes of like Jordan Lyles and Zach Gncree with like, 413 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.720 what if they got sixteen and fifteen losses so far after the season each, 414 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.839 I think they lead them they lead the league and losses. I was looking 415 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:59.359 at this earlier on more looking at how bad Emmanuel Basset has done if looking 416 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:05.039 at Kansas City. But yes, we'll move on to hopefully more uplifting topics 417 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:13.200 in which will obviously make us upset many fans from different teams. But let's 418 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:19.759 have a quick discussion on some cy Young and some MVPs. The AL MVP 419 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:28.279 show Yotani. Okay, that's done, Yeah, the NL MVP Darius is 420 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.880 it now? Mookie bets to lose? Like has he has? He passed 421 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.279 a kunar enough from like a war perspective that, like the people, the 422 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:42.440 voters would probably go with him, even though a Kuna has put up the 423 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:47.480 flashy stolen based numbers. I think I think people are still going to be 424 00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:52.480 a bit seduced. We've moved a long way past the you see some of 425 00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.119 these things circulated sometimes, like every now and again, I'll see one of 426 00:32:54.160 --> 00:32:57.680 these post pop up on Twitter or Facebook asie, and it will be like, 427 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.680 oh, look at you know, Roger Clemens lost this cy Young Award 428 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:06.720 and he had like six more war and one hundred more strikeouts, but the 429 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.279 other guy went twenty three and three, and so he won the cy Young 430 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:14.119 even though Roger Clemons was like unhittable. I think I still one with Barteto 431 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.119 Cologne and somebody the other day. I kin't remember who it was, but 432 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:22.160 anyway, Barteto Klein on the song point being, I think we're not there 433 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:25.440 anymore. But I'm not sure that people have quite calibrated for stolen bases, 434 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:30.200 and it is very fun, and as a person who likes stolen basis, 435 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:32.920 I'm glad that a Kunia is perhaps going to steal seventy. But also it 436 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:38.839 doesn't matter that much, like it matters much more that Murky Betts is slugging 437 00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:43.920 twenty points higher than Ronald Kuna than it does. That Ronald Keun stolen sixty 438 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:49.519 five bases. That is hard to think about in terms of a value perspective, 439 00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.480 but that's what war was for, and stealing a bunch of bases is 440 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:58.599 not that valuable. So I think people are still going to care more than 441 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:02.160 they should, and therefore I don't think Bets is far enough ahead for it 442 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:09.559 to matter. Is something else that's kind of historically been discounted in this is 443 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.360 Bets is a better defender than a Kunia, a significantly better defender than a 444 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:22.079 Kuna. In fact, than Kunia has negative defensive output according to most systems. 445 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:27.239 We're still in the position where this isn't accounted for enough in MVP voting. 446 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:30.639 Yeah, Mike Petrella had a good thread the other day with some of 447 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:35.920 like a kun just just just horrendous like losing the ball in the sun type 448 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.280 players, just stuff that should be automatic outs that aren't. And he keeps 449 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.559 having these players. I think Mike had four or five in the thread of 450 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.199 like the same type of player that's just like you know, made ninety nine 451 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.840 times out of one hundred, and a Kunya keeps missing these easy players and 452 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.280 that's why his defensive stats again ding so badly, whereas Mookie Betts is like, 453 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:58.480 can you play shortstop after not playing it for ten years? And he's 454 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:01.679 like, yeah, no, Probbs, I'll do it. But that's pretty 455 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.960 people, that's my tiebreaker. Yeah, that's what It's the same thing to 456 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.239 do. And yeah, I don't think we're going to talk about that as 457 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:12.840 much as the ACU stolen base thing either, but they should because it's pretty 458 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:15.400 insane that he can just do that at the drop of a hat and be 459 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.719 like a respectable major league shortstop, which is about the hardest thing you can 460 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:25.440 do defensively, Rob Do you have any any thoughts? Are we are we 461 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:30.280 being too harsh on on Freddie Freeman? Does he discover more more of a 462 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:37.880 discussion here or not? Really? Freddie Freddy's Freddy's there through through grinding stats 463 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.320 out rather than being particularly special at anything. In particularly, he's not got 464 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.519 the most of like anything, you know, so the obvious counting stats like 465 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.639 he's not he's not got the home runs, he's not got the stolen bases, 466 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.280 he's not got the defense, he's not got you know, and and 467 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:58.440 so so for me, it really is down to Mookie versus Akun. Yeah, 468 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:07.000 Muki Betts is I think under underappreciated, which is weird for a player 469 00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:14.079 who has played for the Red Sox and the Dodgers. But if ever man 470 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.280 sort of skirted underneath. He's he had a quiet start to the season, 471 00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:21.639 and he's come on strong and he's he's he's he's come on a bit later. 472 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:23.559 But well we're not. We've not really had much cause to talk about 473 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:30.360 Mookie. What is MVP? And I think part of MVP is being a 474 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.599 talisman, And you can't doubt that Ronald Kuna Jr. Is the talisman of 475 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:40.159 that team, like he's brought the X factor to it far more than this 476 00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:45.480 year Muki has. Now, Mukie Betts probably should have won, you know, 477 00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:47.480 without mister Trout in the in the discussion, he probably should have won 478 00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.719 a couple of MVP MVPs before this point, more than he has, you 479 00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:57.079 know, but pure star power, like he is on the pulse. He's 480 00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.400 doing what is popular now, which is hit and dingers and and stealing basses. 481 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:06.079 Is Ronald Akuner And I said a minute ago, my tie break here 482 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:10.760 if I'm considering them drawn is yes, absolutely, Mookie Betts playing multiple positions 483 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.239 was special, and I do like Mokie Bets Brett, and I think Mookie 484 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.440 Betts is the best player in the league. However, this year, I 485 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:21.840 think what has been spectacular. The guy who has made the most of what 486 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:24.239 is going on out there is Ronald Kunas Jr. Off the back of an 487 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:28.360 injury, and I think I think he looks fantastic. So I'll take a 488 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.400 Kunya. I'll take a Kuniars my MVP, and I think most most voters 489 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:37.440 will will lean that way. I would be very surprised if if Ronald doesn't 490 00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:42.960 doesn't take it. Darius, I'll give you a small platform if you would 491 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.599 like to go on it here. Obviously, bang Grafts and Baseball Reference have 492 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:53.880 Mookie Bets up by about one win on RONALDA. Kunier. Base All Perspectors 493 00:37:53.880 --> 00:38:00.440 severely disagrees. Baseball Perspectors has a Kunar about three and a half is better 494 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:04.639 than anybody else in baseball this year at like eight points three and everybody else 495 00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:10.360 down in the in the in the five terroristry of high fives. Any any 496 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:15.400 insight, but why? Obviously it does come from the deserved runs aspect, 497 00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:22.199 which I do understand from like a kind of a more in depth machine learning 498 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:25.960 and mathematical kind of like approach to this kind of the model does obviously seem 499 00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:35.800 to prefer Akunya's actual output to to Bets. Yeah, I think it is 500 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:40.519 hard to like pass DRC because it's doing things that are immensely complicated. I 501 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:46.239 think there are seventeen different underlying models within DRC don't make up the components, 502 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:51.159 so it's really difficult to just be like, oh, this is why I 503 00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:55.039 think it believes in Akunya's batting average a lot more than Bets. Is is 504 00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:59.960 one component of it, certainly in terms of how many singles us to say 505 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.280 to hit, it's got a pretty significant advantage of there. And it thinks 506 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.480 he should have hit a few more home runs than Betts. Does that I'll 507 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.280 deserved home runs for a Ken. He's actually forty six. So if you 508 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.920 think in statline is impressive now, then I don't think we'd be having this 509 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.880 conversation if Ken you had forty six runs. So's that's doing a lot of 510 00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:21.679 the work there. And yeah, as a result, he's got like a 511 00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:27.400 DRC plus twenty points higher than Betts. Hence the no contest. I will 512 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:30.159 speak up for Freddie Freeman as well, who again not that high in DRC, 513 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.079 but he might hit sixty doubles, which is not a thing that happens 514 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.559 very often, only happened six times in Major League history of blue So that 515 00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:42.320 is a pretty cool thing that he's doing right now. I also kind of 516 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:45.440 hope he steals twenty bases because I did tell somebody at the start of the 517 00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:46.880 year that he was going to steal twenty basis. I can't remember who might 518 00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:52.000 have been James Holden. Shout out to James. Fancy league, and he's 519 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.719 got two to go and Freddie Freeman is not fast. This is a cool 520 00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:58.280 thing because, like I think a lot of people should be doing what Freddy 521 00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.119 Freeman is doing. If you are a SMA art base runner, you can 522 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:04.360 take advantage of these rules and steal a bunch of basses. And he's always 523 00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:06.559 been kind of good at this, and he's just kind of extended it with 524 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:08.800 the new rules. So I just think it would be free, pretty fun, 525 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:14.840 if not particularly quick. Thirty three year old ended up stealing twenty basis 526 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:19.440 anyway, and that I think is exactly why Matt Olson isn't in the conversation, 527 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:23.239 because he has made no effort to steal any basis whatsoever. Other than 528 00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.519 that he is he's right with sorry, He's made one effort to steal but 529 00:40:27.639 --> 00:40:31.000 a base and he did it. Other than that, he you know, 530 00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:36.079 he's to to toe with these guys. He's a crap defender who's hit a 531 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:38.199 bunch of dingers and quite well. Otherwise other than that, you know, 532 00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:42.199 he hasn't got this. He hasn't got the steals, which which is what's 533 00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:45.920 leaving him at the competition. Yeah. I probably started this about how steelstone 534 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:50.440 matter and we've turned to Mattison's not in the conversation. But it's the only 535 00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:52.760 difference. It's the difference the evening. I'll be interesting to see with matt 536 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.880 Alson when it comes to the end of the season. Is like he currently 537 00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:02.239 like leads the RBIs by like twenty plus over I think like Alonso or Tucker 538 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:07.719 or whatever for the whole like the so if he kind of continues that, 539 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.320 I haven't looked in the details to see how much of like a historical difference 540 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.880 that actually is between like the first and second, but it's a it's a 541 00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:16.840 pretty much like when you get your big slugger and they get put in the 542 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:22.559 right spot on a good hitting team, how many more rivis you can get 543 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:27.519 than than elsewhere. Okay, so I think we kind of decided it's obviously 544 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.760 it's there's still a couple of weeks left that can really make our minds here. 545 00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:34.280 But I think I think it's fair probably to go with either of them 546 00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:37.159 right now. I think you could you could come up with a valid reason 547 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.679 to go for Bets or a Kunia. Let's switch it up to I think 548 00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:45.880 the pitching world, which is a little bit different in whether like there are 549 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:52.400 actually some outright leaders or if this really comes down to how you actually value 550 00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:59.360 pitching. So Rob, do you want to start talking us through like the 551 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.760 the al picture of you? Have you had a look to see whether you 552 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.880 think that it should be Garrett Cole or Kevin Gaussman, or Sonny Gray or 553 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:14.920 even Zach Evelyn himself. I think a lot of it comes down to it's 554 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:19.119 it's pitched, isn't it is the separator? You know, there's some there's 555 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.880 some really good pictures here. I think Kevin Gausman does sit on top at 556 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.199 the moment if you're looking by a war, and I think that's that is 557 00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:30.639 fair maybe not pitch quite as much as some of the others, but you 558 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:36.039 know, Sonny Gray's almost almost gone gone the same as him. But you 559 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:42.559 know, it's such a thing for the AL SI Young this year. I 560 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:46.280 don't really think there's anyone particularly standing out and running ahead. There's nobody to 561 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:49.599 look out there and think, my god, that guy was the guy you 562 00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.199 did not want to face this year. You know, I've seen all of 563 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:57.000 these guys look pretty susceptible at points. You know that none of these guys 564 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.519 are shut down scary guys, and I think you'd probably say similar for the 565 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.159 NL. But you know, yeah, find Kevin Gaussman's you know, he's 566 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.320 he's winning in the war, and I think that's that's probably fair. You 567 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:14.559 know, It's the difference is there's some wins separating it in the in the 568 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:17.360 NL, but for the AL it's all very homogeneous. You know, roller 569 00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:21.400 dice, a couple of good starts from any one of them, and you've 570 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.559 you've got a bit of a difference there. So yeah, right now, 571 00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.559 Kevin Gayossman could be any of the other guys in in two games time. 572 00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.440 Darius, you are you agreeing that this is a pretty kind of shotgun scatter 573 00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:37.400 cut approach. We could be seeing some very different votes from the writers when 574 00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:42.079 we get to see this, like as the other ones discussed as potentials for 575 00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:46.960 like Pablo lopezz or even from Bavaldez, like even Logan Gilbert maybe or George 576 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:51.320 Kirby, like they are all these are all people that in and around this 577 00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.719 discusion. Yeah, I think George Kirby might have lost the old school vote 578 00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:00.360 recently. Yeah, with his com I really like George Kerry an incredible war 579 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:06.000 great great, great control. I feel like this is one of those ones 580 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:07.840 I kind of boy it CHERI it was. You remember in this RUSS a 581 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:12.840 few years back when it was like Cluber versus Felix, and it really came 582 00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:15.960 down to like the last week of the season and Felix hadn't absolute stinker and 583 00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:20.679 Cluber pitchggm, I think, and that was the difference basically because they were 584 00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:22.800 like that. I think I think this might be one of those races like 585 00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:24.920 if Cole goes out and throws a complete game shout out in the next couple 586 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:29.719 of weeks, then it's like, Okay, it's done though that kind of 587 00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:31.760 thing, Or if if Gassman you know, pitches a gem in the key 588 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:37.480 playoff race game for a Toronto, then then he might have sealed the deal. 589 00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:40.079 But there is no you know, I don't look at anything and go 590 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:45.760 this is the guy. I think it's it's cold for me right now. 591 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:49.559 In the al he has got the earnings advantage, he's kept the runs off 592 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:52.760 the board. The Yankees have kind of sucked it up, and you know, 593 00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.159 he hasn't really got dragged into that. And yeah, it's not really 594 00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.880 been like sort of vintage super impressive cold. The strike outside down a bit, 595 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.079 but you know, he's still he's just a guy. He's a guy 596 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.480 we don't get very much anymore that you can give the ball to thirty two 597 00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:12.280 thirty three times and he's just going to go out and be your ace. 598 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.840 And I think in a season with absent alternatives, that kind of makes him 599 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.119 the guy that people are going to go to. But I could used to 600 00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:23.159 see it being Gassman, especially if he does pitch well in these these key 601 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:28.599 few weeks for the Joys. Yeah, I think coul has the chance to 602 00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:31.800 breach that two hundred innings mark, which I think is that once you do 603 00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:37.440 that and you have a below three R three r A. It's very hard 604 00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:40.239 for some people that think to look beyond those figures to go to somebody else, 605 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:45.719 even if they have like potentially a better better fits or better kind of 606 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:52.840 like more advanced interpretations of like the pitcher's performance. Yeah. I also feel 607 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:59.119 like in these cases where it is just so close, I don't mind if 608 00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:01.440 people just want to go to the who actually kept the runs off the board, 609 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:06.119 Like I know it's not just the picture, but all right, boomer, 610 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.000 if you can't, if you can't separate the guys properly with the other 611 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:13.400 metrics, then just pick the guy who had the eara and the staff a 612 00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.519 runbaar, like, yeah, the guy wanted it most with the most grit, 613 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:21.519 right, Yeah. Okay, So just just before we move on to 614 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:25.719 the AL how many cy Young votes somebody people to the NL, how many 615 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:30.199 signing votes or what do you think is the highest position someone will put Felix 616 00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:35.039 Batista on a on a cy Young vote given the fact that, like how 617 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.039 well he has actually performed as a reliever this year, I think it would 618 00:46:39.079 --> 00:46:44.440 have been higher if not for the injury. I think if we've kept pitching 619 00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:46.599 the way was, I could see somebody put him like third. Yeah, 620 00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:51.800 I think it might be fifth. Now, I don't think he gets a 621 00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:55.000 vote. I think an Orio spet right, it gives him a vote. 622 00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:58.679 Do they do that, many of them? I don't think they know what 623 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:05.039 they're looking at there, so they're so afraid. And I think it's five 624 00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:12.679 five. It's three for the rookie of the years, isn't it. Yeah, 625 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:20.480 it's ten and there's five better pictures him. Yeah, I don't think 626 00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.920 he gets a vote gets because of the injury. Let me let me very 627 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:28.039 clear, he deserves some recognition. I don't think he gets a vote. 628 00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:30.840 Before we get to the NL hiss, Brett tell you what's available on the 629 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:37.719 website this week. Hi, this is the Oakland Ace contribute to Brett Walker 630 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:42.039 here and thank you very much to the guys for having me on the podcast. 631 00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:46.239 We've got some great articles on the website this week. Already on Monday, 632 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:52.719 our Cubston Tributes Sir Sean Guests published a piece about how the residents of 633 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:57.079 Rigley Fields are skill in the hunks for a playoff spot as we entered these 634 00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:01.719 last few weeks of a regular season. On Tuesday, our Braves contributors Charlie 635 00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:08.559 Deets published the latest in his weekly series of articles called Last Week in Atlanta. 636 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:15.599 On Wednesday, Darius and I publish the latest in the weekly MLB Rivalry 637 00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:20.960 series, and this week it's looking at the rivalry between the Oakland A's and 638 00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:27.360 the San Francisco Giants, otherwise known as the Bay Bridge Series. And on 639 00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:32.159 Saturday, it's going to be the latest in the Great British Fancy Baseball Super 640 00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:37.400 League arsicals, looking at Week two of the playoffs. Finally, i'd like 641 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:42.960 to encourage anyone who's listening to get in touch with us if you have opinions 642 00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:46.960 about your MLB team or baseball in general and would like to write for us, 643 00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:51.320 We would love to hear from you. All you have to do is 644 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.800 click on the right for us link at the top of the website, or 645 00:48:54.840 --> 00:49:02.000 you can just go directly to backflips and nerds dot com, fold slash contribute 646 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:07.719 hyphen here and once again, thank you very much, good guys for having 647 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:14.639 me on the podcast. Okay, so let's quickly move on to the National 648 00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:22.239 League. Then Jack Wheeler, you've got Zack Wheeler. I think Kimbo Spencer 649 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.119 Strider, isn't it? Well, it is, but then you've got frigging 650 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.639 like Snell and Steel with like two and a half of r a's that are 651 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:35.159 gonna gonna pick up. Like I think, especially with Steel potentially could be 652 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:38.719 leading with wins and having a two and a half e r A. I 653 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:44.880 think they're still gonna be good, that they're going to lean towards him, 654 00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:50.960 especially when Wheeler and Steel is quite good. I just don't know that. 655 00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:58.239 Yes, he's he's a long yeah, absolutely sorry, Cubs fans. He's 656 00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:02.519 a long reliever who's who's walked into a bit of luck. I think he 657 00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:07.920 still has like a subcoving three like fip and so, like he's only got 658 00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:09.519 two pitches, Like, how is he doing this? It doesn't make any 659 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:15.599 sense. Like, guys, absolutely twenty fifteen, I'm all with you. 660 00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:21.079 This guy is he's challenging press Archer this year makes no sense. I do 661 00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:23.280 not believe it. I do not believe it. Slider, what do you 662 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:29.599 think Spencer Strider is strong? What? Well, he's pretty much a slider 663 00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:31.320 fastball guy. I mean it's like the best fastball you've ever seen in your 664 00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:36.559 life's got mustache, has got a great mustache. There you go, there's 665 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:40.920 the third pitch. This is a funny one because I feel like Strider and 666 00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:46.079 Wheeler are like obviously the guys it should be, but they have given up 667 00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:52.559 a lot of runs. Like Strider's fastball is several different pitches, right, 668 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:57.800 it's not, it's not it's not a fastball. It's a fastball with nuance, 669 00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.519 isn't it. It's just like a forcing with ridiculous amounts of movement. 670 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:06.079 Yeah, exactly. You know, if it goes left, that's one pitch. 671 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:07.239 If it goes right, that is as good as another pitch. In 672 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.599 my mind, Steel isn't doing that. Like, hey, it's a good 673 00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:15.880 fastball, don't get me wrong, but it's not a Spencer Strider like almost 674 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:21.440 like a like a knuckle fastball, Like it's got insane movement the way it 675 00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:23.159 goes. I just don't see that. With Steel, I don't believe it, 676 00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:27.840 Whereas whereas with with Strider, I do, Like I can see it, 677 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.880 and I can look at that, and I can say I could I 678 00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:34.239 could not even I would. I would fall on the floor even thinking about 679 00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:37.440 where that ball's going, Whereas with Steel, I know I couldn't hit it, 680 00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:42.760 but like I could like follow its trajectory like they see miles apart to 681 00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:46.599 me, they see miles apart. Yeah, I think this is going to 682 00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:51.400 be similar to the alp that like we haven't even mentioned, like Zac Gallen, 683 00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.760 or even like Loan Web that I think of all both have like reasonable 684 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:59.840 chances of people thinking that they're they're good, like if they if they have 685 00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:04.840 three two or three games might make a massive difference in skewing the mind of 686 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:10.639 the voters. I'm not having Blake's now hard pass. It's now I can 687 00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:15.599 I can understand. Like I think the the other parts of the peripherals, 688 00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:20.679 like the he walks, probably too much for some of the old school voters 689 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:25.679 to ever even think about him doing well, even though his strikeout rate compensates 690 00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:30.039 for that to a large degree. Yeah, I do. I do have 691 00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:31.840 an issue, a bit of an issue with the innings. I felt like 692 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:37.639 this the year he won it as well over Verlander, like he's you know, 693 00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:42.320 made the bullpen pitch a lot more innings than some of these other guys. 694 00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:45.360 You know, it's what is he twenty six, twenty seven innings behind 695 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:51.880 Gallen, And I think the year he won over Verlander, he like Verlander 696 00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:54.159 pitched like fifty or sixty or anything. He's thirty innings. He was like 697 00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:59.119 an entire reliever. He's there was thirty innings behind, Like, yeah, 698 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:04.199 he's a thirty Are you being inefficient and walking a bunch of guys like you 699 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.559 are making somebody else after come into games a lot? And I think that 700 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:13.840 should count for something. Yeah, definitely, I think I was really interesting. 701 00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:17.440 I want Logan Webb to have some good starts but the Giant to be 702 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:22.480 crap so we can have the interesting discussion of can a picture with a losing 703 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:29.599 record win the cy Young because he has a ten and twelve record right now, 704 00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.320 but has pitched one hundred and ninety three innings, which is obviously Gallen 705 00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:37.320 is a kind one hundred and eighty seven and two thirds. No one else 706 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:46.760 is who's up there is in like the one eighties. So yeah, he's 707 00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:51.400 on eleven and ten and one hundred and eighty one innings, so he's got 708 00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:55.039 to shout, yeah, Felix, what was Felix with the year he won? 709 00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:59.360 Because he didn't get any he's thirteen and twelve the year he won. 710 00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.519 Sorry, yeah, yeah, and that was like that was like the first 711 00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:07.199 big like all picture with thirteen wins on the Cion, wasn't it. I 712 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:14.559 don't think that Gray seven and seven he didn't win like there was nothing, 713 00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:16.639 wasn't it. It wasn't it Like two months he was pitching really well. 714 00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:21.440 He just didn't like the Twins never won any of his games. It's really 715 00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:27.519 weird. He started as many games as anyone. Yeah, fair played, 716 00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:31.079 Sonny Gray. Great season. Yeah, I would like is Webb has got 717 00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:35.400 it in there, like he could, you know, throw a couple of 718 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.559 complete games over the last few weeks as the Giants suck it off on the 719 00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:45.920 way out of the playoffs. It's possible he is starting in course tomorrow, 720 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:50.079 I think. So we'll see how that came. He might be the only 721 00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:52.000 picture in with a shout that you know, at the top end, that 722 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:57.960 has realistically got a chance of hitting two hundred things. Oh yeah, he's 723 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.960 going to pitch two hundred things borrowing some horrific events. It might. Yeah, 724 00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:05.079 there's a lot of the rest of them won't. Yeah, almost nobody 725 00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:10.039 will. Because Zach Gallon might, Sandy's I don't think Framboro is going to 726 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:15.159 get there. Gallon might. Gallan's got a good shout, But other than 727 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:22.280 that, probably yeah, probably about it. Yeah, yeah, Is that 728 00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:28.519 a new look for a full season. I'm going to find out anyway. 729 00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:36.000 Continue, But yes, so I think that kind of gives us that do 730 00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:40.039 we want a quick flash in the pan on our rookies? Can we do? 731 00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:45.880 We really think it goes? Is a difficult decision. Here are we 732 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:52.199 Corbyn, Carroll and Gonna Henderson? Is there any anybody else out there who's 733 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:58.840 making a case in either of these Rookie of the Year campaigns? Just kind 734 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:04.440 of have a quick check and guess I've forgotten somebody? Who else is there? 735 00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:08.320 Yeah? Yeah, I mean, you know, like Kato saying it's 736 00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:13.119 been very good, but I always feel like it's cheating. Yeah, this 737 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:15.800 is the same way that I had earlier end of the season. I was 738 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:20.559 definitely talking about Yashida winning Rookie of the Year because I was just like, 739 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:23.800 he should just come over and be ye And it's not close. It's like 740 00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:28.000 Carol still went a lot better. Yeah, it's called off a bit. 741 00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.079 I'm trying to refresh my memory and whatever I'm looking at it telling me that 742 00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:35.840 Will Myers is the favorite. So I think I might be looking at the 743 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:39.119 wrong thing. Yeah, well here we go year. Is that wrong? 744 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.880 Has anybody had a weirder like range of opinions that people have had about him 745 00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:49.760 than Will Myers, because Rose fans were like so mad when Will Myers got 746 00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:52.440 dealt he was like the next the second Coming, and now it's like the 747 00:56:52.480 --> 00:57:00.800 Redstone want Will Myers? Like what a weird career. I think it's fairly 748 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:05.000 fairly locked up, isn't it. It's a gunna Henderson and Corbyn Carrol? 749 00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.880 I mean, really, isn't an awful lot behind them? No? I 750 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:14.480 think there'll be some hat tips to Davis Schneider with his kind of utterly ludicrous 751 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.599 first twenty five and maybe forty five games if he continues on this. I 752 00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.199 believe it. This tear what you don't believe somebody who has a five hundred 753 00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:27.360 op in a eight hundred and fifteen sludging grob You don't believe that that is 754 00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:31.920 that Bonzian level performance. Sorry, he also has a twenty eight percent strikeout 755 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:37.840 rate. I think he's this year's Schwindel stroke menesis. He's the guy this 756 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.199 year. There's one every year, and I think it's him. It should 757 00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:45.480 have been col Reagan's in the all but he forgot to start the season until 758 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:49.360 he got traded to the Royals. But if he'd pitched like that, oh 759 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:51.719 yeah, he definitely would have been Actually, he probably would have been so 760 00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:54.679 young. There's a part there's a I'm looking at the fan grass list and 761 00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.960 there's a part of this list which kind of really kind of depresses me slightly 762 00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.519 as a as a Cleveland fan. There's a point where it goes Nolan Jones, 763 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:05.280 Bonelia, Will Belts, Will Benson, and I'm like, well, 764 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:12.320 they should have all been Cleveland players. Nolan Jones have been great. Yeah, 765 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.239 this is a thing like he was never going to be a third baseman 766 00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:17.039 at Cleveland because Ramirez was there, but they put him in the outfield, 767 00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:22.559 and well maybe just he wanted to give a play outfield and courts where But 768 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:29.679 also, can I just shout out Patrick Bailey? Yes, who has been 769 00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:34.239 unbelievable for the Giants. I'm currently worth the three point one war in the 770 00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:38.880 eighty four games. It is all like framing and don't run on Patrick Bailey 771 00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:43.519 either, Like every morning I wake up to another Patrick Bailey throwing and runner 772 00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:46.679 out of highlight. Unbelievabul But yeah, I don't know where the Giants would 773 00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:50.960 be if Bailey hadn't come up and been this good, because it probably wouldn't 774 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:54.840 be where they are now, all right, So that takes us I think 775 00:58:54.840 --> 00:59:00.239 through most of those rewards there should we switch up to our two good? 776 00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:04.199 Too bad? Rob? Do you want to start us off with a good? 777 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:12.280 My good? Is Yankees fans? And I mean that entirely on Ironically, 778 00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:17.719 the Yankees fans are dealing with what is potentially losing season. It's not 779 00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:22.159 at the moment, but it is a bad, bad season for them for 780 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:23.760 the first time in a long time. And I, if I'm honest, 781 00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:29.679 I've been in the in on Twitter, looking for the comments, looking for 782 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:34.199 the rage, and if they've been dealing with it quite well. I mean, 783 00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.400 yeah, there's there's been a lot of like we're the worst, worst, 784 00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:39.800 worst hard put fan base ever. There's been a bit of that, 785 00:59:40.239 --> 00:59:45.480 but they've they've taken their lumps. It was I think it was at its 786 00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:52.960 at its most evident when Brandon Law had his post postgame interview about being whilst 787 00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:58.119 the Yankees were beinging the Rays left, right, and center, he said 788 00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:00.960 something along lines of they're not a team that are competing. We've got to 789 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:04.719 focus on the fact that we are a competitive team. And I went. 790 01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:07.320 I went straight to the comments, thinking, right, this is gonna be 791 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:10.719 fun, and what I found was a lot of magnanimous Yankees fans saying, 792 01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:14.199 you know what, He's right, fair play, all right, we'll be 793 01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:16.480 back next year, you know. And I was like, Okay, you 794 01:00:16.519 --> 01:00:20.599 know what, fair play. Credit where it's due. This team has taking 795 01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:25.360 its lumps a lot better than I thought it would, So hats off Yankees 796 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:30.280 fans. Good job at being decent losers, which is not something that's in 797 01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:34.239 your wheelhouse because you don't do a norful lot. But yeah, well done. 798 01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.079 I'm impressed. You have surprised me by how well you have dealt with 799 01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:43.440 us. So we'll done, Yankees losers, Darius, what is your good? 800 01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:47.719 What's my good? So many choices I've been to sign, Just try 801 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:52.719 and decide what to pick all the good things that have been happening in Major 802 01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:57.800 League Baseball. You know what I'm I think I think Trey turn turning it 803 01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:00.280 around. It's been a highlight for me, Like just been on an unbelievable 804 01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:05.559 tear. I kind of like this whole thing that he and Harper have done 805 01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:08.119 where they just seem to be like we're all in with the Phillies and their 806 01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:13.280 fans like, we love Philadelphia, We're here for you, and you know, 807 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:17.239 it seems like they're they're really embracing it. It's a nice relationship they've 808 01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:21.480 got there. And then the Phillies fans can be vociferous at times, but 809 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:23.719 I think it also means they love their guys if they get the love back, 810 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:29.159 you know. And yeah, it's been quite gratifying because I quite like 811 01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:31.159 watching turn of play. Has been a fun player over the years, and 812 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:36.119 it was a bit depressing watching him not really get it going and Philly. 813 01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:40.280 So the fact that he's been on complete fire. I think seven home runs 814 01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:45.239 are ready this month. Turning his season around has been has been quite good 815 01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.239 to see. So hopefully more of the same in the playoffs. And yeah, 816 01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:51.360 just good to see him back. Yeah, I've got a whole hot 817 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.320 love to see him. Would love to see him treated to the braves and 818 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:59.519 seeing if they went, like from loving him to full effigy and how quickly 819 01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:06.679 that would Yeah, I think that the turner turnaround. Obviously, we turn 820 01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:12.880 around the turnaround, thank you obviously with the moment where obviously people are now 821 01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:15.440 stamping it from when the Phillies fans just gave him like a massive like evation 822 01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:22.159 and out of kind of like nowhere to kind of and maybe what that's done, 823 01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:25.519 I don't want to give two months credence to that compared to maybe what's 824 01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:29.920 happened in other places. But hey, maybe if Yankees fans gave Joey Gallo 825 01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:31.800 like a big round of applause at some point to try and get his like 826 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:37.440 to help him out, who knows what can happen. But when when he's 827 01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:43.280 gone from basically what in August, he had a twenty games span in August, 828 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:47.480 whereas Weber was two twenty. Since then, he's his last twenty games 829 01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:54.719 span, he has a wober of five forty three. So it's like we 830 01:02:54.880 --> 01:03:00.639 just quickly also mentioned that when it comes to motivating trade to the day he 831 01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:05.639 signed his contract, I don't know what happened that day, but I will 832 01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.800 say that his child was born exactly nine months later, So you know, 833 01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:16.079 here's a motivation. Rob. I went there, this is a good time 834 01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:28.519 for a break. Ah. Yeah, you've kind of you've stolen my you've 835 01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:32.760 stolen my one of my good Darius. I'm kind of like very disappointed that 836 01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:37.519 he did the plotted places I wanted a highlight with somebody who's in that rookie 837 01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:42.760 campaign, which we're probably not actually going to really talk about too much, 838 01:03:43.239 --> 01:03:51.679 but like James Altman has just had like this solid season LA and I think 839 01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:55.159 he was one of many players that coming into this season I thought of as 840 01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:02.960 like a fourth outfielder, that he'd he'd hit well in minor league baseball. 841 01:04:03.239 --> 01:04:06.800 It's not get anything kind of like wrong about that, but when he when 842 01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:11.480 he came up, I was very much of this idea of this is what 843 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:15.320 like the Dodgers are putting out. It felt like part of their cheaping out 844 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.719 tactic and getting under the luxury tax. And he's shown me wrong, Like 845 01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:25.599 he's proved to be a very competent major league player, whether it stays because 846 01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:30.280 I really don't like the plus thirty percent strikeout rate, but that's what he 847 01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:32.119 did in the minors, and he hit well, and he's a defensively solid 848 01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:34.800 player. But I just think he's one of those players that just hasn't been 849 01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:39.679 I don't know if he's been talked about enough. He's just he still is 850 01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:42.280 overshadowed on that team, even the robbe seeing on that kind of like there 851 01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:46.400 haven't been like the stars. People don't think about maybe that Dodgers lineup has 852 01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:50.159 starsted as it used to be, and they were obviously poor to start this 853 01:04:50.199 --> 01:04:55.599 season, and I've just kind of kind of done well from a bit afterwards, 854 01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:59.239 and it's just kind of sat outside the media's perview to be like, 855 01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:02.239 oh, the Dodgers are it again. Yeah, that's how a lot of 856 01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:04.119 us, I don't know, that's how I've seen now that I feel like 857 01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:06.719 a lot of other places have discussed about it. They kind of just the 858 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:10.920 Dodgers are good. Yeah, fine, we'll move on. So yeah, 859 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:15.840 I think he's just somebody who's worth like highlighting something good that's actually happened. 860 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:26.960 Darius Storney was bad. I want to give you a bad, I don't 861 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:32.199 know good question Go to Rob. I'm still deciding. I've got one. 862 01:05:33.639 --> 01:05:40.159 I've got two. My first one is Stephen Strasburg Debarkle. What their hell 863 01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:43.400 is going on there? I mean, it's just own goal after own goal 864 01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:47.679 from the Nationals. They're leaking that they're going to have a special retirement thing 865 01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:50.679 for him and then inviting him and you know, saying we're looking forward to 866 01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:58.239 seeing him at a spring training like the guy is so injured, so broken, 867 01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:02.000 he's he is a person with accessibility needs now who may not be able 868 01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:04.800 to pick his children up, like he has nerve damage to the point that 869 01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:09.800 he might not be able to open a you know, open a jar in 870 01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:14.400 the future. Like he has real, real damaged body from what he's been 871 01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:20.639 doing. And the Nationals, it would appear, have spotted that all of 872 01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:24.360 a sudden, they're not going to get their insurance pay out for him, 873 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:30.840 so are going to drag him through through through the bushes to have this this 874 01:06:30.920 --> 01:06:33.840 awful end to a season where they they're going up paying this guy the money. 875 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:38.320 Either way, what they should have done is paid him his money, 876 01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:43.440 let him go on his way, had the ceremony, celebrated how wonderful the 877 01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:47.840 World Series has been, and finished finished his career in style. Instead they 878 01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:56.159 have they have own gold massively. And I think it's fairly fairly disgusting the 879 01:06:56.159 --> 01:07:00.320 way they've treated him. Quite frankly, I'm not I'm not I'm not a 880 01:07:00.320 --> 01:07:04.679 fan of what the Nationals have done here. It's it's been pretty pretty openly 881 01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:13.519 awful. Yeah, I feel there's not much kind of like more to be 882 01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:19.039 added to that. It's not a particularly it's it's never great obviously to kind 883 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:26.559 of see a player go through injury to the point where it actually hinders them 884 01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:31.320 from their actual real life. Like the rational sports is a very bizarre set 885 01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:38.440 of circumstances in that where that is like allowed, like there's no there's no 886 01:07:38.559 --> 01:07:43.719 other you would never you have the is it is it OSHA in America or 887 01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:46.119 whatever, you'd have The people in the health and safety would be like, 888 01:07:46.280 --> 01:07:50.360 excuse me, what the people can get like by by doing their work and 889 01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:56.320 do irreparable damage to their body. I don't think this is like this is 890 01:07:56.440 --> 01:08:01.239 right, but yeah, obviously like the second occupational health, Yeah, it's 891 01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:08.559 it is a tough one to watch and just to see what's going on obviously 892 01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:13.639 with then with Washington like extending like the manager and the general manager, and 893 01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:16.199 obviously with all these other things going on, it's like some smoking mirrors that 894 01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:26.079 just makes the whole thing seem particularly distasteful to me. Darius, if you 895 01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:30.960 got your bad or shall I take one first? You still, I mean, 896 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:33.359 you know, we don't have to talk about it a lot. Who 897 01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:40.840 you are. Urius obviously has been arrested for domestic violence. Second incident in 898 01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.720 his career. We don't have all the details, we don't know what's happing 899 01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:53.399 suspension. Mostly I just want to say that we, I think collectively have 900 01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:56.239 this tendency to be like, what are the Dodgers going to do with their 901 01:08:56.239 --> 01:09:00.560 pitching staff for w how is this going to impact? And it's free agency, 902 01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:03.520 and maybe we should not do that and instead remember that there is somebody 903 01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:08.319 who's had domestic violence committed against them, and you know, think about that 904 01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:12.119 person, and you know, we can deal with that other stuff later on, 905 01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:15.720 but it's not really that important whether anybody signs urius and free agency or 906 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:19.920 whatever. So that's why I have said about that. Yeah, yeah, 907 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:28.039 no, that's a good one. Back to maybe some more just baseball moaning. 908 01:09:29.680 --> 01:09:32.279 I kind of want to talk about Emmanuel class A, like he's not 909 01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:39.279 had a good season for Cleveland. He may be leading baseball in saves with 910 01:09:39.479 --> 01:09:42.680 with with forty, but that's because every single Cleveland game is like a one 911 01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:45.600 or a three run game because Cleveland don't score runs and don't really give up 912 01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:50.079 runs, so and they're probably going to have a pretty historic one run game 913 01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:54.560 percentage of games being wondering games from at the end of the season, but 914 01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:02.279 he's blown it quite often this season. He has he has lost like nine 915 01:10:02.359 --> 01:10:08.520 games this season. He's still sat there with like what I think is I 916 01:10:08.560 --> 01:10:12.920 think he's bad. He's a three point one yr right, if that makes 917 01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:15.760 sense. This is where I'm moaning from the fact that kind of like he's 918 01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:19.560 supposed to be like one of the best like relievers in baseball and and he's 919 01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:26.399 just kind of been a bit na this season and maybe maybe if this is 920 01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:29.239 bad, I should be quite happy. Because this is bad, it's still 921 01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:32.479 kind of like very good, but for somebody who seemed to have kind of 922 01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:36.640 really nailed down coming in at that moment, getting having his clean inning, 923 01:10:36.800 --> 01:10:41.840 coming in and doing a lot of damage. Like he's just he's not looked 924 01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:47.800 like anywhere near the player that we've seen like historically, and his like it's 925 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:53.880 walk great is up, strikeout rate is down. It's just it's just been 926 01:10:54.119 --> 01:11:00.359 a little depressing to watch. And the Cleveland I mean, I'm not Cleveland 927 01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:05.159 fans, so if I'm completely honest, I really don't care. But but 928 01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:11.399 you know, you can decry your pretty good reliever or alike. I mean, 929 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:14.399 as bads go, this is a lame Russell. This is lame. 930 01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:17.920 He is he is a good reliever who's having a not quite as good years 931 01:11:18.079 --> 01:11:20.920 as we think he's available too, So come on, man, you're better 932 01:11:20.960 --> 01:11:25.000 than this. Well, I was just thinking that he's potentially going to have, 933 01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:29.880 like he's going to have the most losses as the leads lead leading save 934 01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:36.479 picture in like MLB history. So I obviously losses don't well started don't really 935 01:11:36.479 --> 01:11:41.239 matter, but to relievers they do matter because that's actually like you're the one 936 01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:45.039 who trade him for Jaalen Beaks. Yeah, I'm gonna pass on that one. 937 01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:51.560 There we go. Yeah, I'm waiting for the next the next Rule 938 01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:56.840 five drafts so we can pick somebody else up out out of nowhere that should 939 01:11:56.840 --> 01:11:59.640 have been should have been kept by one of the good teams to one another, 940 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:04.760 Trevor Stephen Laura, all right, well bring us back for the good 941 01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:11.880 Julio. Who doesn't love Julio? I had a chance to watch an awful 942 01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:16.600 lot of who Julio over the week because the man raise and there's just you 943 01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:20.880 know what, like if you want to pick a poster boy for baseball, 944 01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:25.239 here is your man. Like. He had a very slow start of the 945 01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:27.439 year, but he has come. I think we can all agree it is 946 01:12:27.479 --> 01:12:30.319 pretty much Pique Julio right now, like this is this is what we hoped 947 01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:35.640 for. And the guy looks the part like I have never seen anybody look 948 01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:41.079 as comfortable chasing down a ball in center field. I'm not saying he's the 949 01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:44.199 best at chasing down a ball in center field, but as it's happening, 950 01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:46.079 I'm looking at him and thinking, Yeah, this guy's got it absolutely Now 951 01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:49.600 your kiamas Jackie Bradley Jr. Is probably catch more balls than he does. 952 01:12:49.760 --> 01:12:54.319 But he just looks, looks the part. And then he stands up and 953 01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:58.159 he flashes those those green eyes to the camera and you think, yes, 954 01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:02.199 this man has absolutely every bit you need for faceive baseball superstar. If he's 955 01:13:02.279 --> 01:13:05.079 not on, the next m will be the show cover. I think something's 956 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:10.560 gone horribly wrong. This guy is absolutely electric. I think he's the He's 957 01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:12.880 that top outfielder, Like, I don't think you could trade for a better 958 01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:16.199 outfielder in baseball right now. I think he is is absolutely spot on. 959 01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:19.319 He's got the future of all futures come in. He's got the big contract, 960 01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:25.439 he's got the looks. I'm I've been I've been excited to watch Julio 961 01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:30.640 and he hit one of the most ludicrously high and he went over the b 962 01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:32.680 ring in the trop and hit the sea ring, which, let me tell 963 01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:35.960 you that that is impressive. That is very very impressive to hit a ball 964 01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:42.479 that hard. So I mean Julio's Hulio is just coming into his stride now, 965 01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:45.199 Like, watch out for the next couple of years. This guy is 966 01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:47.640 gonna be. This guy is going to be the absolute balls. He is 967 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:56.279 incredible. He's something else. Yeah right, No, No, I like 968 01:13:56.560 --> 01:14:00.000 obviously, like he's just didn't a territory act to the phrase absolute balls, 969 01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:09.000 really absolutely balls. No, he's obviously a phenomenal player, and there's kind 970 01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:12.359 of he is one of those players that's definitely hopefully you don't want him to 971 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:16.079 be carrying the Mariners on his back, maybe like Griffy Junior deal or any 972 01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:20.840 Chero deal. But like when they have that sort of talismanic player, it 973 01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:26.920 makes you even as like a neutral, they're a team that like you will 974 01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:30.439 go and watch or cap some of their games because it's actually like worthwhile, 975 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:36.680 worthwhile. So that is really pretty too. I have a slight crush on 976 01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:45.039 Julio I'm not gonna lie why slight yes, slight, yeah, I'm I'm 977 01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:50.840 definitely of the I still think that Seattle should be getting ready to blow out 978 01:14:50.840 --> 01:14:58.039 the market and bring Shatani up to I'm sorry, you can't have the two 979 01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:03.199 guys in one team. That's too much. My my, dreus. He 980 01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:11.239 got another good Yeah, this is just a cool stat. Jose l two 981 01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:17.279 by a ninth inning homer on Monday, I think it was last week. 982 01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:20.760 And then he hit a homer in each of the first three innings the following 983 01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:25.760 day, which made him the first player ever to homer in four consecutive innings. 984 01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:30.359 Just pretty I did not know that that's good, And just generally, 985 01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:32.520 I think, like I kind of think, you know, basically, it's 986 01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:34.960 more fun when you've got the big boss, right, and I feel like 987 01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:40.720 the Astroids and the big boss and Alto Bay well he's the little boss. 988 01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:45.119 But still I think, you know, having a fully operational Astros roster in 989 01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:47.319 the playoffs kind of makes it feel a bit more like a thing, you 990 01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:51.600 know. I feel like that would be more excited with the Astros in the 991 01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:55.800 playoffs. I don't necessarily want the Asterrois to win the playoffs. But you 992 01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:59.560 know, the fully functioning astrois in the playoffs makes it feel like an event. 993 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:02.880 So that's that's good. Hopefully you can stay because he's had some trouble 994 01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:06.760 with that this season. Imagine how much more fun he would be if he 995 01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:11.920 didn't have that buzzer stuck to us Just a few years ago, Rob, 996 01:16:11.960 --> 01:16:15.520 I thought we were done making people mad today. Sorry, sorry, break 997 01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:21.720 sorry, we this is a This is not a platform for spending telling out 998 01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:27.600 John Boy media fake news. Bob, I still love the fun that they've 999 01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:30.159 basically tried to distance themselves that from like as much as possible, given the 1000 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:34.560 fact that they were one hundred percent the proposers are pushing that out, that 1001 01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:39.439 narrative out there, which is basically, I'm just going on record of saying 1002 01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:42.800 I'm not going against John Boy in case they mute us and then put something 1003 01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:49.000 over our lip lips. So no, Russell slanders John Boy on podcast to 1004 01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:57.640 breakdown. Rob doesn't because after if there are things that I'm going to go 1005 01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:00.960 down for, that's fine. I'll take that one. And the fact that 1006 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:06.800 like that the Astros aren't actually that bad and that people need to get over 1007 01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:15.520 it. Yeah, No, the good is actually we've kind of likely talked 1008 01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:18.800 about the player beforehand, but Nolan Jones, I've just watched him, like 1009 01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:24.479 after I've watched a couple of games against Colorado just for times of being awake 1010 01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:29.239 or whatever and seen actually him playing well one of those times where for me, 1011 01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:31.000 he was one of the first few kind of like prospects when I got 1012 01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:35.760 into like following like Cleveland, and I've seen them like get drafted and go 1013 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:39.439 like all through the system and you're like, oh, like they're gonna be 1014 01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:42.359 amazing, and it didn't pan out, and then it didn't pan out at 1015 01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:45.840 Cleveland. It's now gone around a few places and it's kind of sat well 1016 01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:49.520 at a Colorado and seeing kind of him kind of do well. It's just 1017 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:54.319 it's just almost it's just a nice thing to to actually kind of like to 1018 01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:57.640 happen for players like all of these kind of prospects that if you do kind 1019 01:17:57.640 --> 01:18:00.600 of end up looking at them and maybe kind of liking them, and you've 1020 01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:03.000 got to realize that not all of them are probably going to end up on 1021 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:05.479 your team, if not, like most of them are even maybe not even 1022 01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:09.439 going to make it to the majors. So them doing it, but doing 1023 01:18:09.439 --> 01:18:12.199 it on another team is still it's still a it's a fun thing to kind 1024 01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:16.920 of see. And obviously him throwing like the fastest outfield assist in like five 1025 01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:23.239 years the other day was a great one to watch, and with the commentary 1026 01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:26.720 team being like, why do they keep on doing it because he's got like 1027 01:18:26.880 --> 01:18:30.680 fourteen our field assists like this season or something like that, it's just it's 1028 01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:34.279 it's great to see someone like a career actually progress, even if it isn't 1029 01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:47.079 just the the sleepy town of Denver, Colorado hashtag Rockies decent social media. 1030 01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:50.479 Then I think that's the best I can say about them. You've got a 1031 01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:57.199 laugh for your crist as. We were like purple, Yeah, yeah, 1032 01:18:57.199 --> 01:19:02.159 we like the color purple obviously, but that's just a good film. Those 1033 01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:08.560 are the band Purple. I think, just to go a little bit inside 1034 01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:12.319 Bafflet's nerves for a second. Obviously, we've been working on a series of 1035 01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:15.720 articles to come out there talking about rivalries, and a couple of the people 1036 01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.800 we know who are Rocky fans were suggesting that the best thing they can do 1037 01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:25.600 for a rivalry is Rocky fans versus Rocky fans or Rocky fans versus Dick Bonfort. 1038 01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:29.279 It's no one can be your rival if no one actually cares about you. 1039 01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:35.640 I don't feel like doing a second round of bad to Day. I 1040 01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:41.000 feel like, rather, you have you got something that you want to to 1041 01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:45.279 to end the episode on. So it's like a sweet bad okay. So 1042 01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:49.239 I don't like It's it's it's rules discourse. I don't like the balanced schedule 1043 01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:54.439 as much as I thought I would. I miss the Red Sox, and 1044 01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:58.760 I miss the Yankees, and I miss the Blue Jays. Now the Rays 1045 01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:00.000 are playing the Blue Jays and all a lot in the last couple of weeks. 1046 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:02.760 I'm sure that I'll come back a bit. But like I used to 1047 01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:06.840 know who was starting any given night for those teams, and I used to 1048 01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:11.000 look at who was in the outfield and be like, yes, that guy, 1049 01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:13.439 that guy, that guy, And you know what, I don't have 1050 01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:16.960 that anymore because they're spread out a little bit. And I was a vociferous 1051 01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:20.439 fan of the balance schedule, wherever I got to see a little bit of 1052 01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:27.800 everybody else. But you know what, I miss seeing the Toronto Blue Jays. 1053 01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:30.760 I miss being angry at the fact that Kevin Kiermier plays for them, 1054 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:34.079 and you know what, I just might get as much as thought I would. 1055 01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:36.960 So that's a little bit sad, careful ways to wish for people. 1056 01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:43.159 That's that's the moral of this episode, or this bit got a quick bad, 1057 01:20:43.199 --> 01:20:45.840 Darius will do two quick ones, then I've got all quick bad. 1058 01:20:45.880 --> 01:20:50.520 I just feel bad for Mike Saroka, who has gone back on the injured 1059 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:54.760 list with forum information. Let's say you don't it doesn't need surgery, but 1060 01:20:55.960 --> 01:21:00.399 it does feel a bit cursed. And you know, the guy his major 1061 01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:04.840 league debut at twenty and he was Rookie of the Year runner up at twenty 1062 01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:10.359 one, and since then it's just been, you know, disaster after disaster, 1063 01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:13.800 multiple akiddies, tears, worked his way all the way back, made 1064 01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:15.920 a few starts this season, and now he's back on the injured list again. 1065 01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:18.319 And I just hope that, you know, one day he can come 1066 01:21:18.319 --> 01:21:24.520 back and picture normal major league season, because it's been it's been a while, 1067 01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:28.560 So get well soon, Mike, if it makes you feel better at 1068 01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:30.479 all, he's earned more money already than you. The three of us together, 1069 01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:34.920 we'll make in our entire lives. Yeah, that's great. I don't 1070 01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:44.159 care anymore. Screw you, thank you for putting us, putting us in 1071 01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:50.680 our in our place. Rob. Yeah, I did have one, and 1072 01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:56.760 my mind has completely gone blank. I don't know it was hastened to Mingez 1073 01:21:56.840 --> 01:21:58.960 or whatever. It looks like he's come up, he was going to do 1074 01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:00.920 well. Now he's injured, probably out for the season, maybe a bit 1075 01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:05.359 of next season, like you're saying, Rob, the Yankees fans have managed 1076 01:22:05.399 --> 01:22:11.159 to take losing particularly well, but I don't think they've taken this information particularly 1077 01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:15.119 well, as it was maybe one of the bright spots in in this season. 1078 01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:16.560 But the same way it works, it's just never allowed to see like 1079 01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:21.479 any player kind of take injuries. Really, but somebody who's kind of highly 1080 01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:28.039 kind of like counted probably been maybe the most overrated prospect of all time, 1081 01:22:28.119 --> 01:22:34.359 even if he's actually like stillay, very good prospect. Just what Mkevin my 1082 01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:39.039 Tan Yeah, yeah, I think he was the most overrated prospect. Yeah, 1083 01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:45.119 okay, yeah, you wonder Franco, Yeah he should, he should, 1084 01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:48.399 he should not be named, but yeah, no, it's it's just 1085 01:22:48.439 --> 01:22:50.760 not good obviously for them to come up and kind of have their moment in 1086 01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:55.520 the sun and really be a bright spot for the team and looking like he 1087 01:22:55.560 --> 01:22:58.520 could be somebody that they can all kind of like get behind for quite good 1088 01:22:58.520 --> 01:23:03.600 and then be being jaded. It's not great. I have an update. 1089 01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:08.319 The fewest pictures to ever throw two hundred inks in a full Major league season 1090 01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:12.600 is four in twenty twenty one, so we probably will have a new record 1091 01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:17.640 this year, assuming that it is just Web and Coal and Gallon. That's 1092 01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:23.640 interesting because Sandy's done and there's nobody else above one eighty years there. Bramberg 1093 01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:26.600 could, but I think you'd have to have three long ish starts, and 1094 01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:29.359 you've got to assume the astroids are probably not going to push him if they 1095 01:23:29.399 --> 01:23:34.199 don't have to. Okay, okay, Well on that little stats bomb to 1096 01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:40.920 finish us off. It's been a delight to chat to you gents about baseball. 1097 01:23:40.960 --> 01:23:45.199 I hope all our listeners have enjoyed it. Darius, I'm assuming there's 1098 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:49.560 plenty of stolen based content coming from you at Baseball's Prospectives. You've got get 1099 01:23:49.560 --> 01:23:55.760 close to a season review on how the rules have maybe played out. I'm 1100 01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:58.079 not doing any stolen based content at the moment, actually, but you should 1101 01:23:58.079 --> 01:24:01.800 still go to Baseball prospectives. In fact, Russell Carlton has written about baseball, 1102 01:24:02.319 --> 01:24:05.920 about Star and Basis today at BP, so do read Russell's and they 1103 01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:12.600 did all the great content over at BP and check out our great depth charts 1104 01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:18.079 which I am still managing. Rob. Will we have any written material from 1105 01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:23.920 you in the not too distant future or ever? I mean sure, why 1106 01:24:23.960 --> 01:24:29.039 not? Let's say yes, and there should be something from me in the 1107 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:31.920 not in future as well. I've been dabbling with a couple of statistical things, 1108 01:24:32.439 --> 01:24:38.319 more just looking into the very bizarre nature of this Cleveland season in comparison 1109 01:24:38.359 --> 01:24:42.800 to kind of what's happening for all the other teams in baseball. But yes 1110 01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:45.479 you have. Obviously you can find our stuff on the website at bat Flips 1111 01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:48.760 and Nerds dot com. You can find us at Twitter at bat Flips, 1112 01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:54.000 Underscored Nerds. Thank you very much, Jens Well, speak to you soon. 1113 01:24:55.880 --> 01:25:28.079 Yeah, hello, and welcome to Backflips and Nerds, the Baseball podcast 1114 01:25:28.079 --> 01:25:30.920 with a British twist. I am your host this evening, Russell Eatum Russell 1115 01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:38.399 Eatum. Well put it at the end, Yeah, the one goes back. 1116 01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:41.079 I don't even say my own name, did Lord