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Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your
host, Cliff Dunning. Hey, Hi,

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don welcome to Destiny. It's good
to see you. And I've got

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a program for you today. We've
got Mike Ricksecker with us. Mike's on

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TV a lot, and he is
kind of a paranormal researcher, and he's

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been on the program before talking about
the Alaskan Triangle, shadow people, missing

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time, things like that. He's
kind a new book, a new book

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out he's talking about time this time. He's talking about the phenomenon of time

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in a new book called Travels through
Time, And this is kind of a

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an interesting subject. I have a
fascination with time, simply because I've been

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hanging out or have been mentored by
a Mayan elder and Native people. Indigenous

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people tend to look at time in
a very different way. They don't necessarily,

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I should say, those who are
still living on the land and their

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ancestors used gaia use the sun and
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of the day to determine time,
determine when things were happening, but not

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in the same manner that we look
at time, which is like, okay,

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it's nine o'clock. I gotta get
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it's lunch six and after six pm
and after its dinner. We are so

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locked into time. It's how our
society runs. And without clocks, without

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an idea of how our day is
progressing through time, we are in serious

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trouble. Our society would collapse.
I mean think about that. Think about

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not having time to be concerned about
getting out of bed. What are you

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going to do during the day,
When are you going to meet people?

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Time is a huge part, an
essential part of how we live in our

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program to day, We're going to
talk about how Native people consider time and

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use time. We will talk about
quirks catch twenty two phenomenon and a number

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of points of view that our ancestors
considered regarding time. Now obviously prior to

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the industrial age, and even before
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gatherers. I laughed because I kind
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funny again they use gaya the earth
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to do things, when to go
back to sleep. It was very sicklick,

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you know, and it gets it's
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the sun's up, you get up, the sun's going down. Perhaps you

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have a dinner, then you go
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it. I think that following time
as closely as we do is a cause

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for illness because you can get crazy, paranoid freaked out about missing time,

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missing appointments, basing your entire life
on time frequencies. And we're gonna talk

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a little bit about distorted time today, as well as what is known as

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bylocation and other travels physical spiritual travels
that are rarely produced now, but it

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makes you question if they were possible
in a previous epoch or that praas it

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was taught by a society like Lemaria, or a more spiritual civilization that was

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very very much in tune with rhythmetic
earth. And just for a minute,

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I want to mention by location.
By location is an interesting term, and

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that means that you're in two places
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of you and this is typically what
we see. A physical aspect of you

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is one place and there's another part
of you that goes to another location and

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people see you. And there's only
a handful of people that have been recorded

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to be able to do this.
Typically these are people who have been meditating

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or in prayer for decades and something
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lot of these gurus, or I
call them avatars. They're known as avatars,

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which are supreme beings that have extreme
control over the mind, over their

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body, over their spirit, and
can disappear and appear on command. The

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two that come to mind are the
avatar Sai Baba. You read about Sai

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Baba, and then my guru,
who is Maharishi mish Yogi. He was

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able to buy locate occasionally and apparently
it's recorded as somewhere. I remember reading

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it about it years ago. And
you know, I mean he he had

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transitioned the physical, not necessarily in
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He meditated for hours and things like
that. I mean, I'm lucky

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to meditate twelve twice a day,
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at night. But these guys have
supreme control of their body. That sounds

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like something out of a cartoon.
But there are there are documents of certain

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special beings in India and in Europe
who are able to buy locate. Now,

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when you can buy locate, obviously
that means you can be in two

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places, communicating with two groups of
people at the same time. We're going

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to hear an example of it in
a second here. But by location is

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something that I was told from my
mentor of mine Elder. The Elder whom

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bots Men and the Maya were very
much in roll of time frequencies, and

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there's a lot of speculation, and
I got a hint of this during my

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time with Whom Bats that you actually
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Now, I don't know if that's
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that is something that we have a
natural gift for. It gets into the

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esoteric arts, and look, science
doesn't really unless you're a parapsychologist. Most

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of the sciences out there just cannot
conceive of that. And because you cannot

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conduct a scientific method, you can't
use the scientific method. Then you can't

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test it to know if it's valid
in that paradigm. You got to step

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away from the orthodoxy when you're talking
about the scientific method. But so Bilow

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is something we're gonna talk about today. I'm gonna play the short audio of

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a Italian priest named Padre Pio who
was able to after many years of meditation

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by locate, and it's been recorded
that he was able to do this.

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It's been documented. This is an
example of a supreme control like these avatars.

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I'm talking about supreme control of your
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your spirit, because it's very likely
that everything has to be in harmony.

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The body has to be in harmony
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spiritual bodies. And there's a whole
science that we're just beginning to understand

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the science of spirituality that can be
at Cashic Records, where these documents on

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how to do by location and time
and maipulation probably lay for YouTube and for

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me to check out. Still challenged
by finding an avenue to the Akashic records,

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and God, we've had so many
people to talk talking about that,

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so you think by now I could
report on my experience tapping into the Akashic

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records, So we don't really know. One of these days, I'm going

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to report on that and I'll get
back to you. Here's a quick audio

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on the life of Padre Pio and
his ability to buy locate. Hello,

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friends or following Padre Pio on this
channel, we present to you a series

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of short stories on the life of
our great saint. Heam was a compution

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fry, a mystic and miracle worker. So do stay tuned to our channel

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to find out more about Padre Pio
and exactly what his intercession can do for

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you or for someone you love.
And our story stems from this. In

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the current chronicles of the monastery of
Saint Giovanni Rotundo, we hear about this

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daily occurrence. Now, first we
have to bear in mind that Padre Pio

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could buy locate so he could be
in other places at the same time as

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he was seen in the monastery.
But listen to this whole case and then

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you decide it's an intrigue in story. This fellow brother, Gio Maria,

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he was a Compucian and also he
was a sacristan of the Holy House of

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Loretto, and he was visiting Saint
Giovanni Rotundo on the twentieth of May and

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nineteen fifty eight, and then he
had a conversation with another Compucian brother,

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and he said to him that Padre
Pio visited our Lady of Loretto or the

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shrine, every evening between seven fifty
and eight fifteen in the evening. So

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it almost seems that Padre Pio was
holding a holy hour in front of our

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Lady of Loreto there at the shrine. And then he added he learned this

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from Padre Raffaelli, who was superior
of San Giovanni Rotundo, when Padre Raffaelli

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was visiting Loretto, so he'd heard
the story then, and Gea Maria clarified

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that according to Father Raffaieli, the
source of the news actually came from Padre

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Pio himself, so somehow he had
been confirmed with Padre Pio. He's sang

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and the monk, that is,
Brother Gia Maria said that several times,

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and it was always at the same
time, at the same hour of the

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evening, he would hear a kind
of to toc and knock in at the

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door of the Santa the Holy House, the Santa Casa in Loretto. So

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he would hear this every evening.
Now, what is the Holy House of

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Loretto, Well, the home.
It's an ancient structure that has been authenticated

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and comes from the time, the
time period in which our lady would have

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lived, the Maduna would have lived. It's been scientifically investigated and a lot

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of things have been proven about it. It matches it has matching foundations have

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been found in a cave in Nazareth, a lady or the Holy Family's hometown,

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and there's an ancient stone altar there
on which Mass would have been celebrated

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right at the beginning of the church. And around this house has been built

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a huge basilica, a sanctuary.
And then Brother jem Maria continues and he

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tells us that one evening when he
was standing before our lady's statue, this

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is in Loretto, and he was
thinking of these recurring signs, and then

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he asked our lady for the following. He put this request to our lady,

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said, if it is true that
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then let him come now, right
now. And he said, at

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that exact moment, he heard a
knocking on the door, the same knocking

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that he had heard so many times
before. It looks like a pretty good

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confirmation. And there was another confirmation. A father, Giostino Gapollo of Lecher

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wanted to hear what Padre Raffaelli,
Father Raffaelli knew about these visits. So

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one evening, when dinner was over
in the monastery and everything had been cleared

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up, and he went over to
Father Raffaeli, who was still there at

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his seat, and he asked him
the following question. Your reverend brother Geo

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Maria, who comes from Loretto,
says Padre Pio goes to the Holy House

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every evening. Put that question to
him, and what response did he get?

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The superior that his father Roughielli replied, smiling, I know, I

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know. So if not a confirmation, he certainly wasn't denying it. But

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Brother Giamuria wanted to return home to
Loretto convinced without any doubts. So before

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he went back to Loretto, why
are you saying his goodbyes to everyone?

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To Padrepio himself, he said,
father, or are you going to come

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to visit the Holy house again?
And the saint began to laugh, not

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in his head. So that's the
evidence we have, and you decide yes

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or no. Was Padrepio visiting Loretto? Was he holding a holy hour every

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evening at Loretto. Another thing we're
going to be talking about today is time

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travel, and we're going to get
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do it? How we time travel? Is it a machine? Is it

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mechanized? Is this something we can
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turn something on and we leave this
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don't know, there's no way to
know, but Mike does bring it up

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in his book today, how it's
done and some of the notions that have

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come across regarding time travel. So
the book we're talking about today is Travels

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through Time Inside the Fourth Dimension,
time Travel and Stacked Time Theory. And

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my guest is Mike Ricksecker. Mike
Ricksecker is in town with a new book

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and he is talking about travel This
new books called Travels Through Time Inside the

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Fourth Dimension, Time Travel and Stacked
Time Theory. I had a chance to

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look at it. It's fascinating.
We've had Mike on the program before.

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We had him on to talk about
the Alaskan Triangle. If you don't know

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who Mike Ricksecker is, he is
what I would consider kind of a paranormal

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researcher, and it has been He's
got a real following in that niche of

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material. He's been on Ancient Aliens
Unexplained, the Travel Channel, and he's

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written a number of books and you
got to check him out. This new

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book, Travels Through Time is fascinating
because it looks on and gives us a

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some interesting details about the ancient past
as well as you know, he's got

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an interesting that focus on some of
the movies that are on time travel.

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So anyhow, Hey Mike, good
to see you man, how are you,

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Cliff Bug? Great to be back
on your show. I always enjoyed

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talk do with you. You know, it's funny because there are a lot

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of really cool movies regarding time travel. I was trying to think of the

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one from the seventies where this guy
builds a machine and he goes back to

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like early early Earth, and there's
been some generations of that where they get

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in a machine and they go way, way, way, way way back.

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But I mean, is that that's
kind of like not the theme of

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the of the book. But what
was your interests? Was it just the

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fact that it's a phenomenon that we
don't have our good grip on. Is

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it something that is something that you've
been interested in for a long time,

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what's the what's the background? Yeah, definitely something I've been interested in for

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a long time. And yeah,
there are a lot of pop culture references

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throughout the book, although it doesn't
you know, you focus on pop culture.

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But it makes those references because I
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we were diving into some of these
deeper concepts, to relate it to something

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that we're familiar with, something that's
a little easier for us to wrap our

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heads around. And pop culture has
done a fantastic job with that. So,

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yeah, my interest, you know, it really goes all the way

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back to pop culture, the nineteen
eighty movies Somewhere in Time. I was

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absolutely fascinated with that movie as a
as a kid. Sorry chrispher Reeve and

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Jane Seymour and chrispher Reeve's character actually
wills his consciousness. He convinces his consciousness

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that he is actually in the year
nineteen twelve when he had been in nineteen

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eighty and is able to go back
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fallen in with her photo. Absolutely
fascinating concept for me. It was something

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that I tried to do as a
kid when I had moved from Massachusetts back

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to Ohio, and I actually almost
had an out of body experience doing that.

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I didn't realize it at the time
as a kid, but essentially reflecting

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back on it, that's that's what
I had almost done. So, Uh,

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this concept and these ideas have always
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the idea and I know we're going
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stack time there something I started reaching
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Alaska trino or something like paranormal research, and something that's always come back that

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some of these things that we are
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have some sort of time relation to
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mentioned out of body experiences. That
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to tap into, but we don't
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wondered if our ancestors perhaps were able
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actually travel around the planet to actually
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you think about that? Yeah?
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at something like the megalithic stone circles
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about stargates could be something that instead
of traveling the cosmos, and I do

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believe that they were able to travel
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could have also been something more localized
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projection consciouness astra projection and be able
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So you know, not the physical
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moving from whether you know, maybe
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that's how knowledge was transferred to that
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definitely had that type of technology.
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at some point, and you can
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a good tutor. There was training
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body is in one location and you
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but it's not the physical body.
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good point to another time period.
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to talk a little bit about Anita. You open at the very beginning of

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the book with the theory of parallel
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it's actually at arch that's been going
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five years ago where there was an
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the more tabloid esque news outlets picked
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the Anita project and to an extent, the ice Cube project down in Antarctica,

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through their new trino research has shown
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in reverse time. And so you
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at this, like there's no empirical
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this is just fanciful. But yet
earlier this year there was a peer reviewed,

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uh you know, scientific paper that
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of Applied Physics, and sure enough, here's what the scientists are saying.

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Yes, uh, this this new
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running in reverse time. So I've
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you know, to me, the
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and I throw the caveat out there. Maybe we're the ones running in reverse

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that we see this, you know, dualistic nature that has been handed down

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to us, you know over the
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so below, as it is in
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by Theodore Theodore's Pelicanos, where you
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and the green, and two different
tracks. And so I've really made an

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interesting connection between this modern scientific research
and are the oldest symbol that we have

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in alchemy the ora borros. Yeah, a little bit about what science found

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in their experiment. Did they get
a flavor of this parallel universe? Was

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it bleeding through? Was it was
there a Was it the neutrinos? Was

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it some cellular connection that they said, wait a minute, that is it,

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that's the parallel Yeah. Well,
the the interesting thing is the neutrinos

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there were acting in complete opposite fashion
of what they were expecting. You know,

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when you're doing neutrino research, usually
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you're you're taking those in and studying
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neutrinos were coming up out of the
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so it was in complete contradiction to
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is this is where their analysis led
them. That's really amazing. Uh wow,

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I wonder how close that is to
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these TV shows. It seems like
there's of time machine series that comes out

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every year on Netflix or something where
they're actually going, Okay, we're going

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to go back, We're going to
go forward. Just the idea of a

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time machine is amazing. In our
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the day, the middle of the
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know, time is a human construct. We use it to Yeah, we

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use it as a tool to,
like you said, keep track of our

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day, to know when to plant
the crops at the right time, and

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know when to show up to our
jobs at the right moment, that sort

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of thing. So it's a tool
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just it's just a human construct.
Albert Einstein even said that time is just

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a stubbornly persistent illusion. And so
when we think of like the river or

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time, you know, there's there's
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trapped within. And so, you
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for a long time, no river
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in this particular scenario with the river, so the thing that's actually keeping it

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flowing are the banks. It's not
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you able to remove the banks from
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just spill out again, the water
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present. Think of like a big
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driving through, maybe the speed limits
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one end to the other, you
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a little store at gas station.
That sort of thing takes you maybe ten

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minutes to drive through this town.
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bit. Let's actually take a plane
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everything. You're able to see the
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all of that all at once.
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time relationship with you now see in
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this is you know, when we're
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really more of your perspective and your
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some body of functioning focus. You

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bring up an interesting topic, which
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how the indigenous people lived without the
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They were so connected to nature,
you know, and they would look at

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the sun known it was a high
the high sun was the middle of the

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day or so forth. But what
do you think I want you to talk

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in a second here about the Australian
dream time. But what do you think

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the effect would be of not having
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it would be a lot more freeing, right, yeah, shelf to work

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whatever, certainly, And I think
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at the universe. And I think
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go down like the et route or
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they are. Just think about the
way that some of these are able to

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travel to us, you know,
not physically, but inter dimensionally. Well,

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they're coming to us from another dimension. Time is in the fourth dimension.

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Again, time doesn't really exist,
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fourth dimension. And we use time
as a tool, which just fascinating in

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and of itself because it makes us
a multidimensional being, our consciousness and the

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fourth dimension, which is inside a
three D physical body. But for them

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to traveler eventually, they would have
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Fit six seventh, et cetera,
which means they are outside the scope of

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time, and so they have the
ability to pick and choose where within that,

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you know, that whole stack of
time they would want to go to

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real quickly, what's you're feeling on
rhythmetic life? In other words, if

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you're not following a clock. This
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If you're a Native American, you're
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your time clock. I guess that's
your way of knowing when you start,

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when you be what you do,
right, what do you think that do

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you think that's something that is part
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you know, like by location.
I go back to my mind and

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mentor and how he talked about his
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playing by train by car, right, Yeah, And I do talk about

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by location in the book with Sister
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what's interesting, I have a I
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actually the mother superior of her convent, and just visited her a couple of

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weeks ago, and I had asked
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of the Port Claires, which is
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Yeah, yeah, great connection.
And she's like, you know, it's

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a it's a fascinating story, but
there are more within the church. So

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this is something that, yeah,
is not uncommon. You don't really think

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of that from like the Catholic Church
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especially back in the day, you
think it was like witchcraft and you know,

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something like that paganistic. But actually
you see this throughout all cultures that

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you have this ability to be able
to buy locate if you're able. I

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think it comes down to being in
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that right for frequency, so you're
able to tune your your body, your

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own personal resonance to the universe,
to gaya, uh, these sorts of

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things. And when you're when you're
more in tune with nature, then you're

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more free to be able to travel
around. Yeah, it's funny. I

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kept coming back to the idea of
moving through space and time without the need

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of technology. But later we'll get
into the UFO UAP phenomenon. Talk a

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little bit about your stacked time theory. I thought that was interesting. This

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is something that you developed over a
period of of personal research. Talk a

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little bit about it. Yeah,
yeah, over the last couple of decades

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here. Yeah, it was.
I mean, it was a notion that

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struck me like a twenty years ago, and so you want to started playing

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around with ideas and concepts you want
if you want to say I did thought

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experiments, sure, okay, you
know, like Einstein there. But it's

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funny because you know, in the
research for it, because it's like,

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okay, let me see if there's
others who have done this type of research,

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and I did come across Einstein here
where we had similar concepts within the

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space time continuum with what he called
the block university sorts of things. So

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I do have to get some credit
to Einstein here, but I took it

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a step further here. You know
where he's he was talking about, you

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know, all time being concurrent within
uh this block universe. Yeah, absolutely

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everything, everything is ever present.
And you mentioned the Aboriginal dream time earlier,

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the same thing with them. They
believe all time was ever present,

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all concurrent. So take we're sitting
This is where I call it a stack.

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Take where you're sitting here right now, and every moment that has happened,

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is happening, and will happen,
are all stacked on top of each

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other like a bunch of photographs.
So each moment is its own photo graph.

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Now, there are occasions in which
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the same frequency. Again, again, everything's energy resonance, frequency, vibration,

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and so two of those moments will
resonate at the same frequency for just

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a moment, and we will get
a glimpse of another point in time.

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So like some of these haunting's ghosts. What we would call it a time

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slip. You know, that's what's
actually happening, is we're actually getting in

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a glimpse because you hear all kinds
of stories of Okay, person saw an

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apparition, but the apparition turned and
looked at them as if they were the

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ghost, which is a really really
fascinating a moment. You're getting in a

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glaz into the past and whoever that
spirit or ghost or apparition is actually getting

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to look into the future. And
so that's what we would call it a

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time slip. It's so funny you
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I have a lot of origins dating
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a photo because they're either dimensional travelers

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or they have actually left their body
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and that's why they're vibrating in a
different frequency and we can't see them.

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But you also bring up what I
call time quarks, which is the catch

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twenty two moment moment where you are
remembering. Talk a little bit about that

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too, because you bring up a
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Time quirks or whatever you want to
call them. Yeah, these are almost

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kind of like I was saying before, where you know, you get a

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glimpse of another another moment of time. In that moment of time is seeing

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you as well. Great example that
people are familiar with the movie The Conjuring,

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which the true story of what happened
at that house is very very different

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than what they showed in the movie. But very good friends, very good

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friends with the oldest daughter Andrew,
and the hauntings at that house occurred for

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ten years and you know, some
more more dramatic than others. And actually

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the big moment that the people you
know talk about is not this you know,

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possession of Carolyn, but actually a
seance had gone bad with the Warrens

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in which Carolyn was thrown backwards and
then the Warrens were thrown out, never

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to step in the house. Again, again very different than the movie.

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But it was a couple of weeks
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her homework. Her mother had been
sleeping and she woke up. She was

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hungry and asked for some coffee.
And because of you know, of course

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that big incident, everyone's kind of
sensitive Okay, we need to take care

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of mom, and so Carolyn,
I'm sorry Andrea went off to do these

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00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:58.760
things for Carolyn. Carolyn sits down
in the parlor area and she's looking off

407
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:00.800
into the dining room, and all
of a sudden morphing in front of her

408
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:07.840
is this scene out of the seventeen
hundreds where there's a woman cooking over the

409
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:09.480
hearth. And this is a fireplace
has been boarded up for a hundred years,

410
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:13.280
but there she is cooking over the
hearth. A couple of kids are

411
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:17.079
running around, and there are two
gentlemen sitting at a table with pewter Stein's

412
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:21.679
and they turn and they look at
Carolyn, and the one gentleman says to

413
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.719
the other, well would you look
at that again, as if Carolyn was

414
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:29.440
the ghost, and then you know, the scene kind of de materialized.

415
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:32.360
So, yeah, this is absolutely
what we would call a time slip in

416
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:36.760
there. Yeah, you're right.
I do mention several of these within the

417
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:40.000
book. Yeah, I want you
to talk another about another one at a

418
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:45.280
place I've been to Versailles, Paris, where there were two women in the

419
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:52.000
nineteen o one that were visiting Versailles
in the gardens and all of a sudden,

420
00:36:52.679 --> 00:37:00.159
everything shifts and they're back in the
seventeen hundreds. I guess watching what

421
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:05.280
was going on? What before you
describe? Mike? What are we doing

422
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:14.239
here? Is this an individual vortex
that is produced from the end somebody's body,

423
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:22.559
mind, spirit? Is it something
that is uh, just like a

424
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:29.119
strange quirk in reality? How does
this occur? Do we have any now?

425
00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:34.239
I believe again all comes down to
frequency resonence vibrations. So the human

426
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:40.440
body resonates anywhere between nine to sixteen
herds, and I think the key is

427
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:45.280
in trying to control, uh,
you know, where that resonance is at.

428
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.719
So you know, we fluctuate.
You know, nobody is you know,

429
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:54.480
at a constant resonance. So as
we walk into an area like this,

430
00:37:54.599 --> 00:38:00.480
it's like the circumstances have to be
completely right. You know. If

431
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.480
we knew precisely what the catalyst was
and what frequency we needed to be on,

432
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.159
we'd be doing this all the time. We'd all be doing it.

433
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:08.800
Yeah, yeah, we'd all be
doing it. I want to go see

434
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:13.119
for SI in the seventeen hundreds,
right, let's go. Yeah, we'd

435
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.559
be doing it all the time.
So, yeah, the conditions have to

436
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:22.599
be right between your own body,
between the location that you're at right now

437
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:28.039
and also the location in the past
or the future. So you're trying to

438
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:32.280
get three things to all sync up. And you might have some good luck

439
00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:37.719
with yourself if you work on him
and you know the area that you're at,

440
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.960
if you're able to tune into that
frequency, so to speak. There

441
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.559
the trick is, you know the
other point in times, you don't necessarily

442
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:51.760
know what that's going to be,
so certainly be challenging. And we again

443
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:54.159
we don't know what the catalysts that
makes it happen, but there are times

444
00:38:54.159 --> 00:39:00.800
where those three things line up and
you're able to see something that's that's interesting.

445
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:07.880
We don't have really any tools,
do we you as a researcher of

446
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:13.599
these these phenomenon. I mean there
used to be there still is, these

447
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:20.920
meters that you can carry that show
high and low frequencies, but that's not

448
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:27.360
going to necessarily help you get into
one of these vortex is. And the

449
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.320
other thing is if you travel into
one, how do you get back right

450
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:35.360
right exactly? And some of these, you know, we know of a

451
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:38.639
lot of disappearances planes, people that
have gone missing kind of work there in

452
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:43.559
the Alaska Triangle, and so how
many of these people never got back?

453
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:52.199
Yeah? Uh, do you think
that the like the famous Caribbean Ocean vortex,

454
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.719
I can't think of it, right
Bermuda triangle triangle. Yeah, that

455
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:01.000
there's a lot of missing time aspects
to that to perhaps there's a huge Some

456
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:07.159
people think there's a huge crystal at
the bottom of the ocean out there that's

457
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.119
well causing this, but who knows. Yeah, I mean I don't know

458
00:40:10.159 --> 00:40:15.519
about the whole you know, large
crystal thing, but I mean basically what's

459
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:20.840
happening in these type of areas is, you know, you have the Earth's

460
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:25.159
core which is spinning molten iron,
so and as that spins, it creates

461
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:30.039
a magnetic field which provideses protection from
the sun and solar flares and things like

462
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:35.800
that. So it's very helpful to
us. But as it passes through the

463
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:37.840
Earth through like the mantle of the
crest and all that, it does interact

464
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.519
with different metals and minerals. So
maybe not a big giant crystal, but

465
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.440
it's interacting with something on the way
up maybe, and maybe it is a

466
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:52.119
crystalline deposit of some sort or some
other metal that it is interacting with and

467
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:57.760
as it passes through that it creates
different EMF fields, and so some locations

468
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.360
in the world are stronger than others, and so like skin Walker Ranch,

469
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.480
Yeah, I believe. Okay,
under the mesa there, you're gonna find

470
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:09.840
some very very high density mineral concentrations
that are helping to power that area and

471
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:14.159
create a lot of this unusual phenomena. Yeah, have you been to skin

472
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.880
Walker. I have. I'm gonna
be out and you taught next week and

473
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:21.559
I'm gonna be seeing those guys.
So you have to actually get permission to

474
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:23.920
go, don't you. You can't
do You can't just show up in My

475
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:27.880
buddy James Keenan who's who's been on
that show and knows all the guys.

476
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.480
He keeps telling, come on a
here, come on here, I'll get

477
00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:32.320
you on, I'll get you onto
the ranch. I'm like, okay,

478
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.519
so one of these dasts, I'll
get out there and we'll do it.

479
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:43.440
Yeah, I've seen enough skin Walker
video and commentary. There's definitely a more

480
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.639
text at play there. There's just
so much weirdness that is going on,

481
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.960
very very strange. Oh. Absolutely, Yeah, it's just a lot of

482
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.880
the evidence coming out of there is
just crazy. But you know, one

483
00:41:53.880 --> 00:42:00.559
of the really fascinating aspects for me
from there that they was right towards the

484
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:05.480
end of this past season when they
were doing the Native American drum circle and

485
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.960
you know, the boom boo,
boom, boo boom, the beating of

486
00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:13.639
the drums and you've got the flear
camera going, and they noticed the heat

487
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:16.679
signature up on top of the mesa
coming from the stone circle. Yeah,

488
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:21.840
to me, that was wow.
That was a nice piece of proof there

489
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:27.280
that yes, there was something that
the ancients did to activate these different stone

490
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.719
circles. I was just saying that
thinking and when you said that they were

491
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:37.400
those drums were activating some trigger.
That would have been funny for somebody to

492
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:43.280
disappear off this. Yeah, it's
not funny, because God help you.

493
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:46.280
If you get if you get transferred
into another dimension, how do you get

494
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:51.480
back? That's exactly Yeah. And
I know you've you've been to many of

495
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:54.360
these places, Cliff, And you
know, last last summer for me,

496
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:59.760
I was out in Ireland and it's
a smaller circle, drum bag and you

497
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:04.920
Dan right in the middle of that. You just talk and you can you

498
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:09.440
can actually hear the vibration that's bouncing
off the stones. So this is a

499
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:15.480
circle that is thousands of years old, and you know it's missing some of

500
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:17.599
the stones, the other stones that
are still there or weather down. Now,

501
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:22.239
imagine this in a heyday when you're
standing in the middle of that circle

502
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:24.960
and you're doing your chanting or you're
drumming or something like that. Oh my

503
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:30.119
gosh, I cannot imagine the energy
that they were creating. When today,

504
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:35.559
with its disheveled state, I can
talk and experience some of it. Yeah,

505
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:39.719
have you been to Avebury in England? The stone circle? Yetta?

506
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:44.440
Yet that will be next year.
I was supposed to be out in Scotland

507
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.000
towards the end of next year.
I'm going to put that on my list

508
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:52.960
here. How was there this past
November last year? And there is definitely

509
00:43:53.039 --> 00:44:00.159
frequencies in play there. I brought
my tri field meter and I picked up

510
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.079
a little bit of energy there.
But there are speculations that there were people

511
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:08.239
moving in and out of reality within
that circle. That's kind of a local

512
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:15.719
lore. So oh yeah, No, I do include like the quot Stonehenge

513
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.960
hippies in the Travels Through Time book, and I see in your on your

514
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.519
bookshelf behind you. You have some
Freddy Silva books there, and yeah,

515
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:30.639
and he yeah, and he notes
the frequencies that have been detected, like

516
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.480
the roll right stones. Yeah,
and the row rits. I mean they're

517
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:38.039
really small weather down now and you're
still able to pick up that that energy

518
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:43.000
that's they're office. Don't so imagine
again back in its heyday what they were

519
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:46.519
able to do with it with those
frequencies heightened. Yeah, it's you've lost

520
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:53.320
so much. These megalithic cultures that
place these monstrosities in circles, these monster

521
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:59.920
large stones and circles and stonehenge.
How in the hell did they make them

522
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:05.480
work? That's the that's the real
key. And you wonder, even though

523
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.519
it's fun to do a drum circle
or something like that, if you're and

524
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:14.079
I keep saying this, if you
trigger something, then what the heck happens?

525
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.079
You know, you watch it or
you you and you made a great

526
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:22.719
point earlier that you know some of
these places people are being lost, cars,

527
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:30.000
planes, entire groups of people are
lost in time. Perhaps we don't

528
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:35.159
know. I love the Alaska Triangle
Stories is an entire village that just completely

529
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.679
disappeared. So yeah, were they
doing a drum circle. We don't know

530
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:45.239
basically when when the village was stumbled
upon, it was like everybody had just

531
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.960
vanished, probably within the last couple
of hours, because there are small fires

532
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.280
that were still dwindling away and things
like that, but there were no tracks

533
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:57.920
leading out of the town to suggest
there's a massive people that had gone.

534
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:06.639
They just vamished. We're gonna take
a short commercial break and allow our sponsors

535
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:12.360
to identify themselves, and we'll be
right back with Mike's Ricksecker talking about his

536
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:54.360
new book, Travels Through Time.
We'll be right back. My guest today

537
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:59.880
is Mike Ricksecker, who has written
a new book called Travels through Time.

538
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:05.719
I mean this is a look at
dimensional travel and what he calls stacked time

539
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:14.360
theory, among other types of traveling
through time. Let's talk a little bit

540
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.719
of science. You have a wonderful
example in here. You call it time

541
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:24.960
dilation. Astronaut Scott Kelly was in
space for a year and when he came

542
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:31.199
back they measured he was actually a
few seconds younger than his brother, so

543
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:37.320
he may have I don't know how
you describe that as time travel or distortion

544
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:45.400
or whatever, but it's it's pretty
interesting to think of that happening outside of

545
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:51.519
Gaya. Yeah, talk about that. Yeah, it is interesting. Yeah,

546
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:55.480
time works a little bit differently as
you get closer to an object.

547
00:47:55.599 --> 00:48:00.480
So you can go to the top
of a mountain here on Earth and you

548
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:02.400
have time is going to work a
little bit differently for you than it does

549
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:07.320
on the surface. So yeah,
they it's just you know, some some

550
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.840
milliseconds and I can't remember exactly what
the numbers were, but but yeah,

551
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:15.679
he spend enough time in space that
he actually ended up being a little bit

552
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:20.679
of a different age than his twin
brother. So it really really fascinating stuff.

553
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:27.920
But I had brought up that particular
phenomena because that in itself is not

554
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:34.000
necessarily time travel, even though it
does play around with our time keeping.

555
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:38.880
But I had brought it up because
there was an individual who he was trying

556
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:44.840
to argue with me on social media
and he said, I just you know,

557
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:51.760
your idea of stack time theory would
basically disqualify gravity and time dilation.

558
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:55.519
I think, again, we're just
talking about perspective because with stack time theory,

559
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.119
when you're taking a look at that
stack of photos, you have to

560
00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:04.679
be outside the fourth dimension. Again, fourth dimension is time is where our

561
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.880
consciousness resides. But if you're a
fifth, sixth, seventh dimension and on

562
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:14.239
time now is just an object to
you, right, so you can see

563
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:19.599
all of those moments at once.
So the difference of somebody being close to

564
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.880
the planet over here somebody else that's
far away from it, it's really irrelevant

565
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:28.480
to you because you're not even in
that dimension. That's why I mentioned that.

566
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:31.800
But but yeah, like theoretical physicists, we'll talk about, well,

567
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:37.199
if we get near a black hole, because you know, time and space

568
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:42.599
bend around a black hole, that
would be like an a natural type of

569
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.480
a time machine. It's like,
well, yeah, we're not getting we're

570
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:50.000
not getting near a time or we're
not getting near a black hole anytime soon.

571
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.320
And if we did, it would
it would destroy us, So it

572
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:58.280
wouldn't even survive. So it's not
even reasonable to think of using a black

573
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:00.320
hole. In a minute, I
want to talk about UAPs and the whole

574
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:07.840
alien question, but so much in
this book to just really grab into talk

575
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:15.480
about dupple Ganger effect because this is
something that I've heard about and uh,

576
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:22.760
you you give an example of a
good the German poet. Uh yeah,

577
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:28.159
what what is the fast name story? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

578
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:31.320
A lot of these dappleganger stories have
really, I believe in misunderstood,

579
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:36.280
and of course over the centuries you
have all the legend in law placed on

580
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:40.159
top of it of these being like
evil twins and things like that. But

581
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:45.679
I think it, yeah, but
I think they're just misunderstood forms of timeslipts.

582
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:50.000
So good time, we'll take his
case. And he talks about it

583
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:54.039
in his book Diktungvarheit or Poetry and
Truth is the English title. Right,

584
00:50:54.280 --> 00:51:00.199
Well, he's uh, he's he's
on the road headed toward Dressenheim, which

585
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.639
is a talent in Germany. It's
having an affair with a young woman and

586
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:07.239
he wants to go visitor and he's
kind of strolling along, lost in thought,

587
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.519
and all of a sudden he notices
on the other side of the road,

588
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:17.039
here is this here's this man in
a gold trimmed gray suit. And

589
00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:22.199
as he turns his head to take
a look at this guy, it just

590
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:27.159
disappears on him. It's just gone
vaporizes, and he's like, oh,

591
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:31.239
when the heck was that and what
happened there? So he continues on his

592
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:37.559
way, years later, he's walking
down the same road in the opposite direction,

593
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:44.039
comes along to that spot where he
had seen that man and realizes as

594
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.280
he's looking down, oh my gosh, I was the man in the gold

595
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:53.239
trimmed gray suit. I had just
seen myself. And it's really fascinating to

596
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.079
think about it, and you know, trying to examine, Okay, what

597
00:51:55.159 --> 00:52:00.639
happened here. So if you do
a Google search of doppelgangers, this story

598
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.719
is going to come up. But
it's not really a doppelganger. Even though

599
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:07.599
he saw himself, you know,
it wasn't like some sort of entity trying

600
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:12.719
to mimic him or something like that. It was truly himself at two different

601
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.880
points in time. I think what
happened here, and I think when we

602
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.119
talk about like real time travel,
it's going to be you know more having

603
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.480
to do the consciousness and trying to
get there would take meditation. And I

604
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.840
think he was drawing along lost in
his thought. We'd do this all the

605
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:29.920
time, you know, we zone
out while we're driving and miss our exit.

606
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:34.280
Right. I think when he was
lost in his thought like that,

607
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:38.519
he had reached at least to a
point in a meditative state where he could

608
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:45.199
recognize his own energy in that location
and was able to get a glimpse of

609
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:49.320
himself at another point in time.
And when he started seeing this guy and

610
00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:52.519
wanted to take a better look at
him, that kind of snapped him out

611
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:59.719
of his meditative state and he lost
the moment there. The double Ganger affect

612
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.920
is it produced by both individuals in
the past and the president in the future

613
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:09.679
looking in. Is it a ship? What's your guests on how it's generated?

614
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:15.159
Yeah, this is a excuse me, It's a sinking up of energy.

615
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:22.400
It's tuning into, you know,
that particular vibration, and sometimes it

616
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.840
doesn't always tune in perfectly. So
another example I have in the book there

617
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:31.559
is of of a young man when
he was a child. He had walked

618
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:36.800
into the kitchen, saw this tall, dark, hooded figure standing there by

619
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:38.920
the kitchen table. Scared him the
death boom. He bolted out of there

620
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:43.639
well, and so he's sinking as
he's growing up. You know, this

621
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:46.079
is a tall, dark shadow figure, that sort of thing. It was

622
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:52.000
scared of it. Years later,
when he's older, he's at the kitchen

623
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.679
table, he's making a sandwich.
He's wearing a hoodie, and all of

624
00:53:54.719 --> 00:54:01.880
a sudden he sees walking through the
doorway this short shadow beam that stops and

625
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:07.159
then boom takes off right back out
the door, and he suddenly realizes then

626
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:10.840
at that moment, like, oh
my god, all these years it was

627
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:15.119
actually me. It was myself.
I was the one standing by the kitchen

628
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.519
table, and I saw myself and
I just saw myself again as a child.

629
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:22.360
What's interesting here is that it only
came off as a shadow rather than

630
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:27.039
like a fully formed being, like
you know, Guta seeing himself, being

631
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:29.599
able to recognize you know, gray
suit, gold trim, all that stuff.

632
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:31.960
For this young man, it was
just a shadow. So it's kind

633
00:54:31.960 --> 00:54:36.400
of like, you know, Cliff, Guys from our generation. People from

634
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.400
our generation will remember like a radio
knob where you actually had to like tune

635
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:43.920
it precisely right, and if you
got right on there, you can hear

636
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:46.599
it all clearly. But if you're
just before, just after that frequency,

637
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:51.159
then it would be fuzzy and staticky. And I think that's what happened with

638
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:53.599
this this young man. He could
tune in enough to see the shape,

639
00:54:54.039 --> 00:55:00.519
but not enough to see it fully
formed. You write a great deal shadow

640
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:05.199
people, Mike, and this is
I think you're one of your specialties.

641
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:13.880
It's almost like, as you call
it, dimensional travel, but we don't

642
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:21.000
know how it's can how it works. It's either we're tripping over something and

643
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.599
it's happening and it's like, you
know, out of the side of your

644
00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:29.559
eye, oh, what is that? I saw something? And then as

645
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:34.519
you're mentioning, you go back,
or you get older and you remember a

646
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:40.599
moment where at that part of in
time, that individual is also looking and

647
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:45.400
go, hey, it looks like
what is that? What the hell?

648
00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:54.320
This is like a part of our
body, mind, and spirit either coming

649
00:55:54.360 --> 00:56:00.519
together at a at the right time
and triggering this, or this is part

650
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:08.280
of the human condition that we're just
not writing down or we're not studying enough.

651
00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:15.719
And perhaps our ancestors, the native
people, understood this and they used

652
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:24.159
it and frequently for whatever. Yeah, and I think our I think the

653
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:29.800
ancients are our ancestors. We're better
in tune to these sorts of things that

654
00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:31.719
they were. They were more in
touch with the universe than we are today.

655
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:36.440
You know, we have this disconnect. Technology has done so many wonderful

656
00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:39.599
things for us. We're able to
you know, have this interview and we're

657
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:44.719
able to travel at great speeds around
the country, able to have, you

658
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:45.719
know, the cell phone in our
hand, all that sort of stuff.

659
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:52.519
Oh wonderful, but it disconnects us
from it disconnects us from nature. It

660
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:57.400
disconnects us from other elements of the
universe that the ancients were able to tap

661
00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:00.400
into and do some really, really
wonderful things. You know, they were

662
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:07.039
able to travel intertimentially see other places
across the cosmos. They were able to

663
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.880
project their consciousness across the world and
be able to see an experience other locations.

664
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:15.280
And we have lost that ability to
be able to do that. And

665
00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:20.920
fortunately we're at a point in time
now where people are starting to explore these

666
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.480
things again, where you know,
for so long it was it was taboo,

667
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:29.679
but now it's become a bit more
accepted these days to reinvestigate these sorts

668
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:35.599
of things. And you know,
you see in some areas where science and

669
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:40.079
metaphysics are coming together, and you
even have you know, guys like Roger

670
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:45.599
Penrose, and I mentioned his work
there in the book where you know he's

671
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:51.199
a he says, hey, I'm
an atheist, but you know there is

672
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:57.159
something here with the consciousness that it
just it doesn't disappear after you die.

673
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:00.760
It goes somewhere into the cosmos.
Now he can't answer where where are the

674
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:05.599
cosmos it goes, But as far
as his research as a scientist, he's

675
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:08.280
like, yeah, there is something
to the consciousness and it does go somewhere

676
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:15.199
else into the cosmos after we pass. So science in the metaphysics are starting

677
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.960
to come back together here a little
bit. Yeah, yeah, I agree

678
00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:22.960
with you. I have been interviewing
people that do touch on the topic.

679
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:27.880
To the best of your ability,
Mike, give us an idea of how

680
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:34.880
our ancestors, indigenous people connected with
the earth didn't have clocks or time mechanisms,

681
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:42.599
would use the ability to go back, go forward. Why why would

682
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.920
they do that? I mean,
is there a growth aspect to it,

683
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:53.760
consciously growing or whatever. It doesn't
feel like this was something that was done

684
00:58:54.039 --> 00:59:00.320
on a regular basis. Maybe the
shaman of a community had the ability and

685
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:04.639
help somebody. But talk a little
bit, just a little bit about this

686
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:15.159
natural inclination to use time as a
shaman. Perhaps, yeah, certainly so,

687
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:19.639
yeah, certainly, not something that
would be done on every day basis.

688
00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:22.639
People had to live and survive.
We need to cultivate the land,

689
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:23.920
we need food, we need the
hunts, we need to build our shelter,

690
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:30.559
that sort of thing. So mostly
we're talking mostly survival, but you

691
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:35.440
know, there were certain elements of
you know, whether they needed it for

692
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:38.039
healing purposes, whether they needed to
try to commune with the gods. I

693
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:42.480
think that was another thing, was
they were looking for a wisdom and guidance

694
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.440
from beyond to help their community because
you had, you know, all of

695
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:52.079
these stories about you know, their
their beginnings of how you know, the

696
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:54.840
gods come and imparted knowledge upon them, and so they could be, uh,

697
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:58.840
you know, stuck in a sticky
situation. Maybe they're experiencing a drought,

698
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:02.000
whatever it may. We want some
wisdom from the god. So let's

699
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:07.280
go ahead and try to commune with
them. And one aspect of that would

700
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:10.199
be we think about it. We
knew our we knew the gods visited us,

701
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:15.679
you know, a thousand years ago. Let's go and travel back because

702
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:20.559
we have this technology, Let's use
that technology to go back a thousand years

703
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:22.119
ago and ask them the question,
how do we make it through this?

704
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:25.599
Particularly good? Yeah, yeah,
it's a good one. Going back and

705
01:00:25.679 --> 01:00:31.920
getting references and things like that.
You've written a great deal about stargates,

706
01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:38.639
and it seems to a lot of
people that these UAPs UFOs, and we

707
01:00:38.800 --> 01:00:45.320
have pictures now of them passing through
stargates. We had a NASA astronomer who

708
01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:51.039
actually took a picture of part of
a ship emerging from what looks like a

709
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:58.880
cloud, but it's actually a visible
stargate in southern California. This looks like

710
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:02.760
a technology if it is, that's
several thousand years in advance of us,

711
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:08.679
doesn't it. Yeah, and this
is a technology that we as a modern

712
01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:14.199
society do not have, and it
could it could always of course, be

713
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:20.480
held in secrets somewhere. You know. We we've heard rumors of a operating

714
01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:24.840
stargate in Egypt area fifty one.
So if it does exist, it's it's

715
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:29.719
in secret today. But this is
not something that you know, we've had

716
01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:34.199
for for very long if we do
have it. But but the ancients appear

717
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:37.440
to have had that, and that's
that's part of We both do tours in

718
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:40.559
Egypt, and that's that's my where
the stargates of ancient Egypt. So it's

719
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:45.000
something that we actively go and explore
there that that they would have had.

720
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:52.199
Yeah. Uh, do you think
are the observing beings in these craft are

721
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:59.280
that sophisticated where they can actually manipulate
time? What's you're feeling on that that's

722
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.079
not the rea? So yeah,
well, you know you you do have

723
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:07.599
some people within the uthology community that
will so these aren't extraterrest shows. These

724
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:10.039
are These are us. These are
time travelers. Yes, thank you for

725
01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:15.960
reminding me that's it's us in the
future. It highly advanced earth lanes who

726
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:21.599
are coming back. I guess right, and they could be. I won't

727
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:24.239
rule that out, but but you
got to take get a step further.

728
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:28.320
If you're going to open that candle
worms, there are other cancel worms that

729
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:30.079
you have to open. So this
is a couple that I've been throwing out

730
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:35.280
here lately. It's like, hey, you know, the human race is

731
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:38.599
to be on a date with destiny
to destroy itself here. So a million

732
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:44.599
years from now, we might not
even exist here on Earth. You got

733
01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:47.840
to think in context here, the
Earth is four point five billion years old.

734
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:52.119
The dinosaurs went extinct sixty five million
years ago, so that's just over

735
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:57.119
one percent of the entire lifespan of
the Earth. So you know, it's

736
01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:00.400
humanity going to stay the rest you
know, the entire are five billion years

737
01:03:00.440 --> 01:03:04.920
that the Earth is still going to
be around until we're destroyed by the Sun,

738
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:12.159
probably not would probably destroy ourselves,
or if the Earth becomes uninhabitable for

739
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:15.760
the human race, hopefully we'll figure
out a way to get off the planet

740
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:21.360
and find some other location that we
can inhabit. So all of that said,

741
01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:23.719
it could be, you know,
a million, a couple million years

742
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:28.199
from now, what have you,
that humans are no longer on Earth,

743
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:32.159
but yet some other extraterrestrial race comes
along and says, oh, this is

744
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:37.199
suitable for us. We can colonize
this planet, and they colonize here,

745
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:42.840
They develop a civilization, develop time
travel technology, and are curious about the

746
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:47.199
Earth's history, so they get into
their time capsule and scoot back to our

747
01:03:47.239 --> 01:03:53.639
modern society. And that could be
what we're seeing is they are native to

748
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:59.320
Earth in the sense that they're living
here, but are actually extraterrestrials from some

749
01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:06.119
other planet, or could even be
another intelligent life form that develops on Earth

750
01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:12.360
millions of years from now and again
develops travel time travel technology and comes back

751
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:14.320
it takes a look at it.
So, yes, these could be time

752
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.320
travelers from Earth, but not necessarily
human. Yeah, you know, it's

753
01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:23.719
funny. You actually have some great
examples of photographs that were taken in different

754
01:04:23.719 --> 01:04:29.920
time periods. There's one from nineteen
forty one and everyone has nineteen forty one

755
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:32.920
clothing on. It's obvious that they's
throughout in the street and here is a

756
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:40.800
guy standing among them with wraparound sunglasses
that probably weren't invented for another forty years,

757
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:45.880
wearing very present nineteen well, I
want to say in nineteen ninety.

758
01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:48.480
But it looks like a self screen
t shirt. Yeah. Yeah, it's

759
01:04:48.519 --> 01:04:53.840
like the guys picked up and been
placed there. I kept thinking, well,

760
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:58.599
this is this is a photo effects. But that's pretty amazing, isn't

761
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:00.960
it. And you know what I'm
talking about. That's a great example I

762
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:03.159
do. Yeah, it's a it's
a time traveling hipster and it was a

763
01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:08.599
legitimate photograph. That's the one that
came out of the the bray Lawn Museum.

764
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:15.519
They're in British Columbia. And yeah, it just I forget the story

765
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:18.280
behind how it suddenly became an Internet
sensation because it's just something that they'd posted

766
01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:21.480
on their site, was you know, part of a collection, and you

767
01:05:21.559 --> 01:05:27.440
know, boom there it is,
right, And I'll kind of rip my

768
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.000
friend Johnny Enoch on that because it
looks like him. I'm like, hey,

769
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:33.840
Johnny, you're Kidadian. You're right. I didn't even think about that

770
01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:39.639
as a resemblance to him. So
there are some people that will say,

771
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:43.320
well, you know, the wrap
around sunglasses, they were a couple that

772
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:45.559
are around, it was, but
they were hard to find. Or even

773
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:48.199
the camera that's in his hand,
it's like, yeah, you know,

774
01:05:48.280 --> 01:05:50.960
Kodak kind of had a camera like
that at that point. But this still

775
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:57.920
looks different. And even the the
shirt that he's wearing. Some people have

776
01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:00.320
said, well, you know,
it's a shirt from the old Montreal Maroons.

777
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.960
It was an NHL team, And
it's like, and I've looked back

778
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:06.920
at the photos of the Montreal Maroons
uniforms, like, yeah, I have,

779
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:12.440
and it's like if they were only
around for a few years, and

780
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:14.920
it's like if it was one of
their univers it had to be like some

781
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.280
alternate jew jersey that they never took
a photo in. Yeah, because I'm

782
01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:24.719
not finding any photo of them in
that particular shirts. His hair, his

783
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:32.119
haircut is even modern. I mean, it's Johnny, it's just Johnny Enoch

784
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:35.920
listening. We're talking about you,
buddy. No, there's all kinds of

785
01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:43.880
photographs where it's like out of place, people in a very old setting,

786
01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:47.840
and it's like, I mean,
I've seen a couple in Nazi Germany during

787
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:56.599
a parade for some reason. And
there's people that look like they came out

788
01:06:56.639 --> 01:07:01.159
of a more modern time period,
very very range, very weird. It

789
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:04.960
is. Yeah, and there might
be some reasonable explanations for some of them,

790
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:09.360
but there are others that you just
that just leave you scratching your head

791
01:07:09.639 --> 01:07:13.239
and yeah, you do wonder are
they some sort of time traveler exactly.

792
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:18.800
The book's called Travels Through Time,
Inside the Fourth Dimension, Time Travel and

793
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:24.679
Stacked Time Theory. My guest is
Mike rick Secker. This book is just

794
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:30.039
coming out and it's a great read, tons of great material, and I

795
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:34.360
suggest you get I think, yeah, it's it's on Amazon. One of

796
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:40.519
the things I want to talk to
you a little bit about is the Akashic

797
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:45.719
Records. We've had a number of
people on the program who are really going

798
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:51.199
to town. We now believe that
the great psychic See or Edgar Casey,

799
01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:57.800
was tapping in to the Akashic Records
and one of the aspects that you bring

800
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:00.519
up, which is fascinating is the
fact, and many of you listening know

801
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:05.320
exactly what I'm going to talk about
is the Akashic Records can go back in

802
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:12.119
time, can deal with present features
in time, and can look to the

803
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:17.000
to the future. Apparently, according
to the Stages, the Akashic Records is

804
01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:25.880
what you can consider a cloud storage
unit for everything that's happened before and present

805
01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:29.920
in the past. Talk a little
bit about accessing, and I gotta tell

806
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:32.000
you this, Mike, I have
had people on there, but I still

807
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:41.079
don't know how to access the It
probably comes to you more often than you

808
01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:44.920
think, Cliff, Yeah, it's
interesting. I just had Emily Harrison of

809
01:08:44.920 --> 01:08:48.119
the Akashic Academy on my show last
night. We had an interesting conversation about

810
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:50.640
all this. So yeah, yeah, it's that idea you have. You

811
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:54.840
know, basically, it's eternal knowledge. All the knowledge of the universe for

812
01:08:54.960 --> 01:09:00.279
all time is present there. And
I find it interesting sometimes when all of

813
01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:04.560
a sudden you know you have and
this was really prevalent back during the eighteen

814
01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:08.479
hundreds, All of a sudden you'd
have like five different inventors all working on

815
01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:10.760
the same thing, even though they
had no connection to each other. It's

816
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:12.840
like, oh, they all come
up with the same idea at the same

817
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:16.880
time they were they were tapping into
something out there, knowledge of the universe

818
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:23.079
that is present. So you know, this is something that would take meditation

819
01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:27.720
to do. And I do not
pretend to be some sort of you know,

820
01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:32.199
great great meditator or what have you. My my fiance will uh definitely

821
01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:36.000
tell you that I need to be
more consistent at it because it's because she

822
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:39.319
does it like twice a day every
day, and she has her last twenty

823
01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:43.520
years and I'm like, yeah,
I did it yesterday and maybe I'll do

824
01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:45.920
it in another three days and then
another week after that. Terrible at it.

825
01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:50.600
But it's you know, those people
that are able to access it,

826
01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:54.960
are able to you know, tap
into, uh, you know, this

827
01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:58.199
knowledge that that is available. And
when you think about okay, you mentioned

828
01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:02.039
cloud computing. If we talk about
you know, simulated universe for a second

829
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:05.800
here, and I don't believe it's
necessarily a computer. I think it's more

830
01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:12.840
organic, biological. But within the
idea of a simulation and you take a

831
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:16.880
computer program, you know, everything
is already there, all the information is

832
01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:20.880
already concurrent within the program, and
it just because we are stuck in the

833
01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:25.560
quote unquote river of time, you
know, we're getting there in a linear

834
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:29.319
fashion. You take like a computer
game like Mario or whatever, when you

835
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:32.920
put the cartridge into the Nintendo system, you know, all the information of

836
01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:36.159
the game is on that cartridge,
but you're playing it out literally. But

837
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:41.920
a programmer who knows how to get
into some of the backdoors or what have

838
01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:46.199
you, you would be able to
access any level within there. And that's

839
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:50.199
kind of what you're doing here with
with the Coshic records, is you're kind

840
01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:56.479
of kind of bypassing or bending some
of the rules of the system that we

841
01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.800
have in place to be able to
tap into some of that information that's out

842
01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:04.359
there. I have always thought that
Tesla was able to use it effectively,

843
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:13.079
but may have brought through back to
the current reality machines that were too advanced,

844
01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:16.359
Like I always give the great examples
of the Warren Cliff Tower that he

845
01:11:16.720 --> 01:11:24.920
believed or his theory was that it
would generate free energy. And when Westinghouse,

846
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:29.199
I think, or I don't know
if it was Westinghouse or Edison discovered

847
01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:30.600
that he was not going to be
able, you know, it wouldn't be

848
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:36.399
charging for for energy. He pulled
his funding and the whole thing selled apart.

849
01:11:38.000 --> 01:11:42.920
Yeah it was JP Morgan j Yeah. Yeah, that's and that's the

850
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.439
real sad story because yeah, Tesla
was tapping. He was tapping into something

851
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:47.720
there. He was way ahead of
his time. And when he was a

852
01:11:47.720 --> 01:11:53.600
younger man back in Serbia, uh, he was astro projecting, so he

853
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:58.840
was he was really connected to the
ethereal plane. And yeah, when you

854
01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:03.159
look at during the Spanish American War
we're talking to eighteen nineties, he had

855
01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:06.359
built what he called an automaton and
basically it was a little submarine, but

856
01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:11.000
it was really like our first drone
and you know, it was controlled by

857
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:14.920
radio waves and he could send it
out there to shoot torpedoes and stuff like

858
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:18.399
that. And you he believed that
it had artificial intelligence to it, that

859
01:12:18.560 --> 01:12:21.239
you know, it would know where
to go, it would know what to

860
01:12:21.279 --> 01:12:25.359
shoot at, when to shoot all
that sort of stuff. And then he

861
01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.600
went further, of course, you
know, given the times you got laughed

862
01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:30.640
at for it, he was like, I can build an automaton of myself

863
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:34.479
that would have the same mannerisms as
me, and make the same decisions as

864
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:40.319
me. Now we're talking robot artificial
intelligence, all of that in the eighteen

865
01:12:40.439 --> 01:12:45.720
nineties. Now with Tesla, he
wasn't aware of the technology that would take

866
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:48.479
to make that. He's thinking,
you know, gears, wheels, radio

867
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:53.479
waves, that sort of thing Silicon
Microchip had. It was far from being

868
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.039
invented yet, I wouldn't be invented
until after he had passed away, But

869
01:12:57.279 --> 01:13:00.399
the idea was still there, so
he was definitely tapped, been into the

870
01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:04.399
ideas. Just the technology to make
it happen wasn't entirely at his disposal yet.

871
01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:10.039
Amazing, Hey, you mentioned AI. Where does AI fit in this?

872
01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:15.560
I mean, this is the new
sweetheart for everybody. Everyone's careering artificial

873
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:20.239
intelligence. I know we've had it
for so long too, just in different

874
01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:27.439
ways. Yeah, you know,
I guess the idea of where AI can

875
01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:30.760
go can get scary because you know, we think of machines taking over the

876
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:35.199
matrix, that sort of thing.
Technology is going to continue to progress.

877
01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:41.199
We just need to be responsible about
it. But like Elon Musk cry and

878
01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:45.399
follow at you know, chat GPT
saying hey slow down, yea, And

879
01:13:45.560 --> 01:13:49.319
that's that's just business. That's just
hey, chat gpt did something my guys

880
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:54.279
haven't yet. I think you're right
slowed down over there, because all chat

881
01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:59.199
gpt does, and Mityokaku even said
something about this a few weeks ago.

882
01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:02.800
It just basically scours the internet,
grabs information and spits it out in a

883
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:09.399
very nicely written format. And I'll
give chat gpt that it writes very very

884
01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:13.840
nicely, but not all the information
is correct. So when this first hit

885
01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:17.840
the news, I'm checking it out
right, So I put in there,

886
01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:20.760
you know things I kind of no
bad, so tell me about Mike rick

887
01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:26.920
Stucker. And half the information that
is spit out was incorrect. It wrote

888
01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:30.119
it very nicely, but it was
half of it was incorrect. And so

889
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:33.880
I was mentioning this on another podcast
a couple of months ago, and the

890
01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:39.159
host you know, decided to put
my name in a chat GPT. She

891
01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:43.680
did it twice and both times it's
spent out different stuff and each time half

892
01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:45.760
of it was correct and the other
half was incorrect, but again wrote it

893
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:49.319
very nicely. So you need to
be really careful with it. Yeah,

894
01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:54.520
I've played with it a little bit. In fact, I've posted some questions

895
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:59.199
and got answers that I put on
Facebook. One was on Atlantis and it's

896
01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:03.760
pretty orthod. It's not They're not
gonna spend anything other than what is currently

897
01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:11.920
society's status. So amazing, Mike
Rick sec I would I would say just

898
01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:16.640
sure, I would just say real
quick, it is a useful tool if

899
01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:20.920
you need something rewritten. I don't
want to completely slam chat GPT no,

900
01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:25.319
no, no, no, it's
they've done a really really nice job of

901
01:15:25.439 --> 01:15:29.800
if you need something written nicely,
they can certainly do that for you,

902
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:32.159
clean things up and make it sound
professionals. So they've done a really good

903
01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:38.159
job with that. No, I
think it's an interesting tool. I don't

904
01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:44.960
know how college professors and teachers are
gonna feel when a kid puts a few

905
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:49.760
words into a search bar and comes
out with three, four or five pages

906
01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:56.840
of beautifully written material. I think
what they're able to do no do now

907
01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:00.920
though, is detect that it's AI
versus human. How they do that,

908
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:09.239
I don't know. But challenge for
teachers, challenge for teachers. Hey,

909
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:14.680
Mike, this is a great book
again as Travels through Time just came out.

910
01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:17.079
You can get it on Amazon.
Where else? Is it available pretty

911
01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:19.720
much everywhere? Right you guys?
Yeah, pretty much everywhere books are sold.

912
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:24.920
Some Barnes and Noble Books a million. They you might have a Brick

913
01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:28.640
and Watar store that is stocking it. If your local store does not,

914
01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:31.520
you can have them order it and
have it sent there. Yeah. So

915
01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:33.720
yeah, I can pretty much get
it anywhere. Of course, my website

916
01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:36.960
Mike Ricksecker dot com. Thank you
for this. Thank you for that,

917
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:42.119
And we don't need to let people
know you're all over the pleasure traveling and

918
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:45.840
you're speaking everywhere. They can get
all that information on your website on the

919
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:49.760
website. Absolutely amazing. Hey,
thanks for your time. Much success on

920
01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:54.680
this book, and we'll see you
again. Man, Absolutely, thank you

921
01:16:54.720 --> 01:17:00.800
so much, Cliff, I really
appreciate it. I was thinking about what

922
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:06.600
we were talking about when it comes
to the UFOUAP phenomenon and the speculation by

923
01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:15.119
Michio Kaku and other physicists who believe
that they may be bending time from their

924
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:24.000
universe to our universe. And be
sure to catch doctor av Lowe next week

925
01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:30.399
on Earth Ages because he basically has
made a profound discovery, and that is

926
01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:35.079
if you remember, he was going
to dredge the Pacific Ocean for what he

927
01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:41.000
believes was a probe, an interstellar
probe to Earth that burned up in our

928
01:17:41.039 --> 01:17:47.359
atmosphere. And he actually, this
is crazy. He actually dredged the ocean

929
01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:54.239
out close to New Guinea Islands in
the Pacific and found I think he's found

930
01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:59.920
fifty different objects, and would you
believe he's analyzed them. And I'll just

931
01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:02.520
kind of let the cat out of
the bag a little bit, so much

932
01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:09.840
more to talk about. Those samples
are an exotic metal, not of our

933
01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:15.520
planet, not of any place in
our Solar system. I think that's what

934
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:20.720
he says. And that's First Contact
and Lobe, I mean, I'm gonna

935
01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:24.680
I'm gonna grill him. So you've
better listening to that program. It's next

936
01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:30.159
Saturday, the ninth of September.
We're gonna talk about everything having to do

937
01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:38.520
with UAPs, why the government is
so resistants to divulge information, and we're

938
01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:42.520
also going to talk about his new
book that's coming out in a few months

939
01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:45.720
called Interstellar, and I gotta tell
you I'm reading it right now. It

940
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:50.520
is fabue less. I mean,
it's really good. I love it.

941
01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:57.560
I love it First Contact. But
getting back to time, if we have

942
01:18:57.760 --> 01:19:04.840
a technology that can bend time,
we can time travel and there are I

943
01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:11.680
mean, come on, there's movies
left and right on bending time, future

944
01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:15.800
civilizations coming back to meet us earthlings
in the distant future, a thousand and

945
01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:21.520
two thousand, a million years in
the future coming back to our time twenty

946
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:25.960
twenty three and saying, hey,
take care of this, take care of

947
01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:30.039
that, take care of this.
There's a program on TV called Travelers.

948
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:35.439
It's on Netflix and they're doing all
kinds of stuff. What are the characters

949
01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:43.199
in the team is manipulating time so
that he can win the horse races,

950
01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:48.600
the Jackpott, the Scratchers. Every
time I turn on an episode, he's

951
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:54.079
winning, like, you know,
fifty eighty one hundred thousand. I think

952
01:19:54.079 --> 01:19:59.039
he's careful not to win like tens
of millions, which is the big blockbuster,

953
01:19:59.199 --> 01:20:02.399
but he wins enough for them to
function. So check that out Travelers.

954
01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:05.640
I really enjoy it. So anyhow, that was fun. Again.

955
01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:13.800
The books travels through Time and the
subtitle is inside the fourth Dimension time travel

956
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:19.680
and stacked time theory. That was
great to talk with Mike and he's out

957
01:20:19.680 --> 01:20:26.239
there. He's really doing stuff.
It's great to see him doing the paranormal,

958
01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:33.880
but it's fitting for Destiny and occasionally
it's fitting for Earth Ancients. Okay,

959
01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:40.960
here's some promo for you. Come
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960
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961
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962
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963
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964
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966
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967
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968
01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:25.640
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973
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974
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982
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It always fills up. It's amazing
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983
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984
01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:50.600
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We don't have the itinerary, but it's

985
01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:55.720
filling up quickly. It's with Muhammad
and some other people. If you want

986
01:22:55.720 --> 01:23:00.680
to join that tour, send me
an email because it we're filling up fast.

987
01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:04.520
I think we're about I want to
say we're seventy five percent full because

988
01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:08.399
we don't take a lot of people. We only take a group. I

989
01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:11.079
think our max is thirty, but
I have to remember, I think it

990
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might be more or less. I
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991
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992
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993
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I want more information. What's it
all about. I don't have the itinerary

994
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yet, but I do know that
we have go Back they Teppi booked in

995
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there. We have Carrahan Teppi,
that new ancient site probably older than twelve

996
01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:44.720
thousand years. We have Darren Kuru. We got a lot. We're packing

997
01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:46.439
a lot in twelve days. Believe
me, it's gonna be a blast.

998
01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:51.359
So send me an email Earth Acients
for You at gmail dot com and I'll

999
01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:56.239
get back to you. And then, of course we're gonna do one more

1000
01:23:56.319 --> 01:23:59.920
Mexico tour. I can't tell you
where it's going to be, but it's

1001
01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:03.439
all about the ancient Maya and you
connect with that, and I'll tell you

1002
01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:09.439
you're change. You're changed. So
tours are fun and I always have good

1003
01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:13.520
people. We have a blast.
Check it out, all right, that's

1004
01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:16.000
it for this program. I want
to thank my guest today, Mike Ricksecker,

1005
01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:20.680
coming to us from Ohio. By
the way, did you know Mike

1006
01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:27.359
makes wine. I think that's amazing. You gotta go to his Facebook pagency

1007
01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:30.159
his wine. He was telling me
about he makes wine. That's very cool.

1008
01:24:30.840 --> 01:24:34.399
So great to have Mike. As
always the team of Ruth Thomas,

1009
01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:42.319
Mark Foster, and Mike Hazel.
You guys make it happen. I appreciate

1010
01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:46.279
your help. Thank you, and
you rock all right. Take care of

1011
01:24:46.359 --> 01:25:02.319
you well and we will talk to
you next time. The