1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,160 And it hits me, Oh my gosh, this is a triangle. You 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,919 know, there's extrelation for everything that occurred in the randallsham Pars incident. It 3 00:00:06,919 --> 00:00:11,919 doesn't involve aliens at all. It was completely silent. It comes right over 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,679 our heads. Classic Clny Soulcier, really stunning into clearing. He turned over 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,120 to my father and held his hand, and he looked in his eyes and 6 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:28,120 said, we're not alone. Welcome to podcast UFO for our live show. 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:34,759 We're live every Wednesday at eight pm Eastern Standard Time on podcast ufo dot com. 8 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,000 During the show, feel free to participate live in our chat room, 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:43,640 and don't forget to like us on our very active Facebook page. Hello and 10 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:48,000 welcome to the first show of the year. I'm Martin Willis, your host, 11 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,320 and we have a good one for you this evening. We have repeat 12 00:00:51,399 --> 00:00:55,600 guests, author of The Stocking of the Herd as well as some other books 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,159 on the mysterious San Luis Valley, Christopher O'Brien, and we'll be talking about 14 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:06,400 subjects of his books. Plus we're going to talk about some ancient, possibly 15 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,280 extraterrestrial depictions in art and a lot more. Before our guests, we have 16 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,920 Alejandro Rojas coming up with the UFO News in just a few minutes, and 17 00:01:17,799 --> 00:01:21,280 I have to mention this for a while unfortunately, So pardon me if you've 18 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,680 heard this a couple of times already, but if you've not been able to 19 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:29,120 tune in for the last few weeks. Our shows are now live on podcast 20 00:01:29,359 --> 00:01:33,599 ufo dot com, and we'll be from now on. 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If you're 45 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,919 listening as a podcast, the first hour is always free, and I will 46 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:38,080 talk more about sporting show at the end of the first hour for the hour 47 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,000 listeners. So how are you Alejandro? I am doing well? How are 48 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:46,639 you great? And before we get into the news, I want to talk 49 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:53,120 about this great show. I think it's a great show that you and Lee 50 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:59,719 Spiegel and I did on a Year twenty fifteen in review and that is available 51 00:03:59,759 --> 00:04:06,479 on Open Minds dot tv as well as on this blog scroll on podcast UFO 52 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,360 dot com. I think that was a great show. I really really had 53 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,680 a lot of fun. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. It's always 54 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:18,360 fun to review the cases to debate them. I think that's part of the 55 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,199 fun, is to debate with your friends. You know, people you can 56 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,879 disagree with and sometimes you know, just have different points of view, but 57 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:31,879 still be able to discuss in a civil manner and have fun. And it's 58 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,319 always really fun to look back at the stories of the year because there's always 59 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:42,079 incredible stories that you've forgotten. Yeah, I was. I was surprised because 60 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:44,680 I worked on this for I don't know, like a week or so, 61 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:49,279 just diving through old stories. I really didn't realize how much went on last 62 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,959 year. It was actually quite a bit. M Yeah. And you know, 63 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,639 once it gets like six months old, it gets jumbled in your mind. 64 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,199 Did that happen in twenty twenty fourteen. Earlier in twenty fifteen. You 65 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,439 know, it's hard to remember when something took place, at least for me 66 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:11,439 in my aging mind. But so it's really cool to look back and go, 67 00:05:11,519 --> 00:05:15,480 hey, man, that happened in twenty fifteen. Cool. It deserves 68 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:18,160 more attention, and it's fun to be able to do those shows and bring 69 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,439 focus back on some of these cool things that happened. Yeah, it's it's 70 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:30,040 really amazing how a lot of things like we're interwoven with things that are going 71 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,959 on right now. And I think that's a story we're going to talk about 72 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:38,079 right exactly, all right, So why don't we Can you start out with 73 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,199 that story? I think that's a really an amazing for sure. I was 74 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,959 planning on starting it because I have a couple other sightings not as exciting to 75 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,439 talk about if you want, but yeah, of course they're on the site. 76 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,279 But this one, like you said, weaves into so much of what 77 00:05:51,439 --> 00:05:56,240 happened this year, and it's kind of perfect that it happened at the end 78 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,399 of twenty fifteen. And that is this comment by Hillary Clinton. A few 79 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:05,680 weird and interesting comments by Hillary Clinton. So she visited the editorial board of 80 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,639 the Conway Daily Sun, and they are in Conway, New Hampshire, which 81 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,839 is only forty minutes from where I sit. By the way, you're kidding, 82 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,680 No, I know she was over there meeting. Too bad you weren't 83 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,839 there. You been the UFO expert. I would have jumped right on that. 84 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,319 Yeah, so she was there. I guess she had been there before 85 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:32,319 answering questions. And at the end of the meeting, one of the guys, 86 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:38,360 Damon Steer was his name, a reporter decided to ask her about UFOs. 87 00:06:38,759 --> 00:06:43,639 He wrote that in their editorial board meeting in two thousand and seven that 88 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,399 Clinton had visited and that he had asked her some UFO questions and she seemed 89 00:06:47,439 --> 00:06:50,839 to have fun, you know, joking around and talking to him about it. 90 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:56,120 So when he said he wanted to ask her UFO questions just last week, 91 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,439 she said, yes, I'm gonna get to the bottom of it, 92 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:02,560 meaning that she's going to get to the bottom of UFOs, which, of 93 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:09,480 course it's so this conversation started off pretty interesting. Steers then asked her some 94 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:16,000 questions about her husband's twenty fourteen April twenty fourteen appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live and 95 00:07:16,079 --> 00:07:20,959 Of course, many of the listeners will remember that Jimmy Kimmel asked Clinton about 96 00:07:21,079 --> 00:07:24,959 UFOs, he had some really funny things to say. In fact, he 97 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:28,639 started it off, I probably wouldn't even finish the oath. I would run 98 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,959 to the White House. I demand to see all the class Fight files had 99 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,480 Did you do that? I loved Obama's answer when he asked him that. 100 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:40,000 He said, that is why you will never be president. But it's pretty 101 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,120 funny. Yeah, Bill Clinton says he sort of did. And he goes 102 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,879 on to talk about he looked into roswell An Area fifty one and really didn't 103 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:53,600 find much kind of interesting, and then he just talked about extraterrestrial life and 104 00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:58,120 things like that. So Steers said, you know, what about this? 105 00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:03,160 What about what Clinton said looking into you and Steph And Hillary responded, I 106 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:09,800 think we may have been visited already, we don't know for sure. So 107 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:13,120 she said, yeah, we've been visited by aliens essentially, which is really 108 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,360 an amazing comment for our president's wife, even if you know, long retired 109 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:22,199 and she was not doing anything at all, it's still for her president's wife 110 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:28,000 or former president's wife, I should say, and possibly a future president it's 111 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:33,039 quite a statement. She also said she would look into Area fifty one. 112 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:39,320 Steers does say that she called an area fifty four before correcting herself later on. 113 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,519 And then she said that my chairman, it's well known that he's into 114 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:48,679 UFOs, and that being John Podesta, the chairman of her campaign. He 115 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:54,279 was also Bill Clinton's chief of staff and a counselor to President Obama. But 116 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:58,240 she said, you know, he's really into UFOs. And her quote was, 117 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:01,039 he has made me personally. Heedge, we are going to get the 118 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,039 information out one way or another. Maybe we could have like a task force 119 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:11,519 to go to Area fifty one. So those were her statements. Lee Spiegel 120 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:16,159 asked her, or asked Steers about his conversation, and he said, you 121 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:22,320 know, was this you know what she joking around? And Steers said, 122 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:26,399 yeah, the converse in the conversation, she was just having fun and it 123 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:33,679 was a lighthearted conversation. However, Steers wrote to Spiegel that given her relationship 124 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:39,240 with Podesta and her husband's track record, that she might be sincere about moving 125 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:45,480 forward on UFO disclosures. So, yeah, an interesting conversation. And here's 126 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:50,399 another little titbit that happened Podesta is known for tweeting about UFOs. That's kind 127 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,879 of how he knows. He's known about UFOs, and he's kind of even 128 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:01,120 since he started with Hillary's campaign. The day he's left Bomba's campaign and went 129 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:05,120 to Hillary's campaign, which was in February of twenty fifteen, he said his 130 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:11,519 biggest failure of twenty fourteen was not securing the disclosure of UFO files. Then 131 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,639 he tweeted in September after Hillary Clinton had a Dune an interview with Lena Dunham, 132 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:20,559 he's a great interview, but Lena asked her about aliens next time. 133 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:26,919 And just yesterday in response to I think in response to Lee Spiegel's story, 134 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:39,279 because a writer for Bloomberg Politics, Jennifer Epstein, tweeted the quote that Hillary 135 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,840 about Podesta making him pledge that they're going to get UFO information out, and 136 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,559 John Podesta replied to that tweet and he said just in time for the X 137 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,440 files revival, And just like on all his tweets about UFOs, he put 138 00:10:54,480 --> 00:11:01,120 the hashtag the truth is out there. So yeah, of course everybody's really 139 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:05,879 excited. Lee. It's kind of funny because Lee Spiegel, you know, 140 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,320 who wrote about it, and I think he's partially responsible for the mainstream finally 141 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,799 paying attention to it. He was frustrated that they hadn't yet. But there 142 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,240 are tons of stories about it yesterday and today now all over the place, 143 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:24,480 and he's just been going crazy. He's so upset because the vast majority of 144 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:30,960 these stories have been wrong. So, for instance, the CNN one wrote 145 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,840 that Bill Clinton was on Kimmy Kimmel's show in two thousand and seven, but 146 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,720 no, that's when Steers had asked her questions. But a number of other 147 00:11:39,919 --> 00:11:45,759 inaccuracies in the mainstream media, which we've talked about before. It's just so 148 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:50,360 frustrating. They don't seem to need or feel the need to do their due 149 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:56,279 diligence or even any fact checking whatsoever, which is really sad and wrong because 150 00:11:56,799 --> 00:12:03,000 as a journalist with a work ethic, you know, there's no reason for 151 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,159 any story not to do, you know, checking of your facts and core 152 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,279 that's the first role in journalism, I would imagine. Yep, he's really 153 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:18,000 frustrated about that. So that's been going on. Washington Post, of course, 154 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,480 interviewed Steve Bassett. Bassett had and they quoted who knows he might have 155 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:28,559 said some other things, but he said something about how I forget Hillary was 156 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:35,120 going to be John Podesta is kind of the guy pushing disclosure, and he's 157 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,559 Hillary's the conduit, but that Obama is going to be the disclosure president. 158 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:46,279 And the logic eludes me in all of that, and I really don't see 159 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,320 it. But of course, ever since I've known Bassett, this is a 160 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:54,799 year that disclosure is going to happen. And it didn't happen, you know, 161 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:58,559 ten or so years ago when I first heard him say it, or 162 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,559 any year since. But this is still really exciting at least that the conversation 163 00:13:03,759 --> 00:13:07,200 is going on, that's for sure. I think so, And it's probably 164 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,519 gonna snowball. One of the things I want to ask you now we're kind 165 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:15,600 of eating up a lot of time, almost our whole news time, on 166 00:13:15,639 --> 00:13:18,600 this one thing. But I think it's kind of important, and that is, 167 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,679 what do you think? What in your own mind do you think John 168 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:28,159 Podesta is really up to When he puts that hashtag the tooth is out there, 169 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,320 it's almost like he's trying to joke in a way. That's kind of 170 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,600 how I'm taking it. Are you taking it differently? Well, we know 171 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,679 he's a big X files fan. He had an X files party when he 172 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,879 worked for Clinton at the White House. Grant Cameron, who you know, 173 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:50,679 has a website presidential UFO for years has been trying to get pictures of that 174 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,240 party and he hasn't been able to because supposedly people dressed like X files characters. 175 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,519 Who knows, maybe even Bill and Hillary, which would be great. 176 00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:01,799 But we know he's a big X files fan. He spoke at a Leslie 177 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:07,039 Kane press conference where he said UFO information needs to get out. That was 178 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,320 in two thousand and two. So he's really into UFOs. It's hard to 179 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,320 say. I think as a public figure, he's careful about what he says. 180 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:18,200 I think he's really having fun with the topic. But we really have 181 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:22,679 no insight into his true thoughts about whether there are secrets or not. We 182 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:28,240 know that Bill Clinton looked into whether or not there are UFOs. He's always 183 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,799 he's often had the caveat. You know that it could be that career bureaucrats 184 00:14:33,799 --> 00:14:37,360 are hiding information from him, and they wouldn't be the first president that has 185 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:43,200 been lied to. Of course, back in during while he was President, 186 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,919 Lawrence Rockefeller was trying to get UFO information out and did some research and put 187 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:52,000 together a document. I don't think there's any smoking gun there, but it's 188 00:14:52,039 --> 00:14:56,279 interesting. And Hillary Clinton spoke with were In's Rockefeller and we have some pretty 189 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:01,120 good information to say that they talked about UFOs. So I think Hillary here 190 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,679 was trying to have fun like Obama did on The Kimmel Show, but she's 191 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:09,440 just not as as funny. She doesn't have the yeah, the type of 192 00:15:09,759 --> 00:15:13,240 same type of humor basically exactly, He's really good at it and she's not 193 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:16,039 so much. She fails often when she tries to be funny. So um, 194 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:20,360 So it's really I think it's really hard to say what any of these 195 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:24,279 people really think about the topic. But one thing we do know is, 196 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:28,759 at least especially with Podessa and even with Bill Clinton, that they do think 197 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:31,200 of the topic and that they were open to the idea that there was something 198 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:39,720 more too the UFO topic. Right, well, we've eaten up the whole 199 00:15:39,759 --> 00:15:43,679 fifteen minutes here, but let's touch real quickly on the two sitings, or 200 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,200 at least one siting you were talking about. Yeah, well, yeah, 201 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:50,320 real quick, and I would like to do a little intro for Chris O'Brien. 202 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:52,559 Um, okay, sure, great, way I do it, But 203 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,279 just you want to end with that, yeah, Zach, all right, 204 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,279 sure, yeah, that's great. Yeah. You can read the UFO stows 205 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:03,919 that Open Minds dot Tv. One of them has an interesting video but I 206 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,720 think it might be a reflection from the window. But lots of sightings going 207 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,639 on that Roger Marshes is writing about. But for now, get ready for 208 00:16:12,679 --> 00:16:19,919 your interview with Chris O'Brien on podcast You have Voo. That was it, 209 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:29,120 huh my batman, Chris O'Brien, duck and getle mulation on podcast chect you 210 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,600 later, buddy. That was perfect. Thanks so much, lend and we'll 211 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:34,679 be talking to you next week. Yep, all right, everyone hanging there, 212 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:53,799 We'll be right back after this quick music break with Chris O'Brian. Chris 213 00:16:53,840 --> 00:17:00,639 O'Brien, how are you good? How'd you like that intro? Uh? 214 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:07,920 Yeah, spooky. Well, welcome to the show. You are back. 215 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:11,759 You were on I think I was looking it was back on show number like 216 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:17,160 eighty something and I think we've done possibly one hundred more since then. Well, 217 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,039 so it was a while ago and I had the pleasure of hanging out 218 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,799 with you in Phoenix. I had we just had a lot of laughs. 219 00:17:25,799 --> 00:17:27,680 It was a lot of fun. Yeah, almost a year ago, right, 220 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,279 I think we were talking about people, weren't we. I'm trying to 221 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:37,319 prevariably at these events, Yeah, a lot of people talk gets talked about. 222 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:42,559 Yeah, some colorful people at these events sometimes, and it was it 223 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,799 was quite interesting. Well, you know, listening to Alejandro and you talk 224 00:17:47,839 --> 00:17:52,200 about John Podesta and Hillary and and Clinton. The first thing he did when 225 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:57,200 he got into office was task web Hubble, if you remember, find out 226 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:02,319 two things. Number one are UFO is real? And what do we know? 227 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,000 And number two, who killed JFK. That was his other that's right, 228 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:11,759 I remember that was his other request of his uh his right hand hatchet 229 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:15,400 man Um, who died in I think died in jail, didn't he um 230 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:22,799 Um got out of now then died. Anyway. You know, if anybody 231 00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:27,079 thinks that there's going to be disclosure by the US government, you are fooling 232 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:33,200 yourselves. You're in complete, uh denial of the reality of the situation, 233 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:40,359 which is most UFO secrets, if you will, are probably held in the 234 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:45,440 private sector, aerospace, think tanks, that sort of thing. I don't 235 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:51,880 think um, politicians really have a need to know, even the president. 236 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:59,519 I think it's military and military industrial complex issue. And I don't don't hold 237 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:03,400 your breath, and I'd be willing to to bet somebody as much as you 238 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,799 want, that's not going to happen. Yeah, that's why we're seeing all 239 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:12,279 these other countries release their information to keep the heat off the US. And 240 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:15,759 if somebody, you know, like Russia or China says, well, we 241 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,680 know what the US knows, I seriously doubt it. And they may know 242 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:26,000 some things and they may attempt to embarrass the United States, although I doubt 243 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:30,119 it, but if they do, you know, that's never going to explain 244 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,240 why. Ben Rich, the guy that started the Lockheed skunkworks, said that 245 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:38,319 we have any pretty much anything you can imagine we can do. We've found 246 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:44,599 the you know, we've figured out the formula I think he said, or 247 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,960 the equation rather, and we have the technology to take et home. You 248 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,240 know, comments like that from someone as high powered as a been Rich should 249 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:57,720 really give one pause. And you know, I think it bolsters the whole 250 00:19:57,759 --> 00:20:03,319 idea that, you know, the government doesn't have a need to know about 251 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:07,200 this stuff. It's all the aerospace folks and people that are attempting to back 252 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:12,880 engineer what they think is UFO technology. And that's about all I think really 253 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,319 needs to be said on that subject. But I would be willing to bet 254 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:22,519 anybody any amount of money, Steve Bassett, Stephen Grier, how much you 255 00:20:22,519 --> 00:20:26,720 want to bet. I heard Stephen Greer say in ninety three ninety days, 256 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:32,640 I guarantee it will have us UFO disclosure in ninety days, and that was 257 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,920 twenty two years ago. Well, the only thing I disagree about what you 258 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:45,559 just said is I think that the Air Force, knowing that something is flying 259 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:49,279 around in the skies and they have no control over it, I think that 260 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:57,640 they would have some type of at least compartmentalized, maybe not actively, but 261 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,160 at least some involvement with trying to figure out what this thing is. And 262 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,839 I don't. Well, sure they have information, they have gun camera footage, 263 00:21:06,839 --> 00:21:08,960 they have all sorts of stuff. But you know, let's get real, 264 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:12,519 the more you know about UFOs, the more confused you are. They 265 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:15,440 know a hell of a lot more than we do, so there are a 266 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,720 hell of a lot more confused. And it's probably not the Air Force that's 267 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,839 a repository within the Armed services. I think it's the Navy that probably has 268 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:32,599 the leg up on files and and data. Bobby Inman is an interesting character. 269 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,039 I think your listeners should check into one of the board members of sai 270 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:42,799 C. Of course, he was head of Office of Naval Intelligence and was 271 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:49,240 high up in the Joint Chiefs. Very interesting character. He probably is one 272 00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:52,119 of those people in the know. There's a number of them out there, 273 00:21:53,680 --> 00:22:00,799 you know. I think John Alexander's book gives kind of a nice disinformation version 274 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:08,359 of why UFO information is not really held in the type of high regard that 275 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,559 that one would think. I think that they realize there's absolutely nothing they can 276 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:18,680 do, and it's it's not showing any sort of overt hostilities. So you 277 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:22,359 know, let's just hide our ostrich heads in the sand and keep our little 278 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,279 pink tushies in the air, because worried about it ain't gonna make it go 279 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:27,960 away, and it's not gonna make it any better. I think there is 280 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:33,599 confused, more confused than we are. That's why they're more confused. They 281 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,440 know a little bit more, but that's why they're more confused. Yeah, 282 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:44,240 and I think that is a really good point. I think that it's very, 283 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,559 very possible that no one here on earth really has an answer for what 284 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:56,200 it is, and it may really not Billy Meyer, certainly not Billy Meyer 285 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:03,920 or stand Romanac or Jim Sparks or the honorable Paul Hellyer who likes to quote 286 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:11,480 Jim Sparks. You know, this is a pop culture conundrum, and more 287 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:15,920 and more people are getting their information, their education, their point of view, 288 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:22,279 and their opinions from the internet, from the TV, and it's just 289 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,000 it's, you know, it's a snowball running down a hill, and there's 290 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:29,319 a few of us that want to stand on the top of the hill and 291 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:36,720 watch how culture responds to all this disinformation, misinformation and blatant programming of opinion. 292 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,759 But you know, the I think the bottom line is we'll have disclosure 293 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:51,319 when whomever it is that we're talking about decides to, you know, openly 294 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,200 reveal who they are. And I think they're more terrestrial than we are. 295 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,839 To be honest with you, I don't think we're dealing with anything out there 296 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:03,559 that would come to this violent massage in a totally dysfunctional place. I think 297 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:07,880 we are a virus and the biodiversity of this planet is eminently more attractive to 298 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:15,119 any possible outside influence, then then we are. I think it's anthropomorphic of 299 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,559 us to think we're that important. We're not. It's like Agent Smith and 300 00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:26,440 the Matrix said, you're a virus. You take things over and you kill 301 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,079 everything, and you deplete the resources, and you breed like rabbits, you 302 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:37,319 know, I mean that's how we are. But also I also think that 303 00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:45,400 I do think it's possible that we are being observed in what we do, 304 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,200 even as crazy and chaotic as we are. You know, when it comes 305 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:55,400 to things like i'm UFOs sightings over you know, nuclear weapons and things like 306 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,079 that, it just makes you wonder if that's why I think it's terrestrial, 307 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,559 because they would have vested interest in anything having to do with environmental degradation. 308 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,559 So that's why they showed up and end mass in forty seven at the dawn 309 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,960 of the nuclear age, because we all of a sudden put them in harm's 310 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:21,160 way because they're already here or now are you thinking so I want to hear 311 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,160 more of what your thoughts are in that. Do you think are you speculating 312 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:30,440 that it's possibly another dimension or time travel? What do you think? Well, 313 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,720 you know, it could be. You know, mac Tony's came up 314 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,480 with the term cryptoterrestrial. John Keel came up with the term ultra terrestrial. 315 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:44,039 Fifty percent of all UFO sidings seem to be tied into bodies of water. 316 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,319 I mean, people forget that. There's just countless, hundreds and hundreds and 317 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,400 hundreds of UFO sidings of objects leaving and entering large bodies of water, even 318 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,880 small bodies of water. So how do we know we're not dealing with something 319 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:03,480 subterranean or sub oceanic or as you mentioned, possibly some sort of dimensional capability. 320 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,200 Time travel seems a bit of a stretch, but you know, hey, 321 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,920 you know, you can't factor anything out, and you can't factor anything 322 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,559 in, and maybe all of the above plus aliens from outside the closed system 323 00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:18,079 here, we don't know. And until we do know, you know, 324 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,720 there's there's no point in expecting anybody to, you know, come and solve 325 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,359 all our problems for us and uh, you know, save us from ourselves, 326 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:32,440 or you know, it's just we need to We need to do hard 327 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:37,319 data monitoring. We need to get the science nailed down behind these craft. 328 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:44,160 We need magnetic and gravitational data be great to get to a gamma radiation readings, 329 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,839 UH, some sort of light spectrum with blazed gratings on on analog optical 330 00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:53,799 you know equipment, be great to get some real, real good sixteen K 331 00:26:55,279 --> 00:27:02,680 or four K high speed uh footage you know, ten thousand plush frames per 332 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:07,559 second type type you know, quality images and have it triangulated, have multiple 333 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:11,160 cameras doing this until we get to a point where we can nail down some 334 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:17,880 of the the just nuts and bolts, as it were. You can speculate, 335 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,680 you know, from now until you know the cows get mutulated and don't 336 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,480 come home. It it just doesn't matter, you know. Obviously the military 337 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:30,519 doesn't really have a what appears to be an active interest in these things, 338 00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:33,799 although they are interested. They chase them around. I've seen it with my 339 00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:37,039 own eyes. But how do we know they're not chasing you know, our 340 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:42,960 own technology that's being you know, pranced around and danced around to appear to 341 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,559 be high strange, you know, I mean a lot of this stuff could 342 00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:52,319 be you know, our exotic technology that's being trotted out to gauge response in 343 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,000 the populace. Well, you know, we don't know. Yeah, I'm 344 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,079 thinking a good example of that, I would think is the cash landrum case, 345 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,319 you know, is that was probably something that went awry, you know 346 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,240 with the radiation and everything. Um, but one of the things could be 347 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:17,960 it could be something similar which happened was just a few days later. What's 348 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,000 that? Oh? Did that only happen? I thought that like a year 349 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:26,599 apart, year or two apart or yeah, I don't have my dates straight 350 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,599 right here. But um. One of the things though, going back to 351 00:28:32,319 --> 00:28:34,920 all the different theories that people are talking about, you know, when it 352 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:41,200 comes to some of the craft that people see that will cloak or disappear or 353 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,640 morph into something else. I mean a good friend of mine saw something, 354 00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:53,160 um like a box explode into five lights that did like you know, moved 355 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,440 around and a jet came along and chase it away. And you know, 356 00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:03,599 um, so you hear of all the different things and that absolutely don't make 357 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,359 any sense. And I've said it before in the show that maybe we can't 358 00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,519 even think of what these things are, you know, haven't even um, 359 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:18,079 you know, I've I've I've shared experiences similar where a large light will break 360 00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:25,799 into you know, several lights and then the opposite several lights becoming one light. 361 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:29,039 Um, I've seen that as well. You know, we really don't 362 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:36,839 know what the capabilities of our black projects and black budget, you know, 363 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:44,599 I mean the black budget in this country is trillions of dollars if you start 364 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:47,920 adding it up year after year, and I mean I love it. On 365 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,240 September tenth, the day before nine to eleven, two thousand and one, 366 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:57,960 Donald Rumsfeld announced that four point four trillion dollars were not where they was it 367 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,680 was supposed to be. In appeared that about half of that was missing. 368 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,480 Right of course, you know, the next day the headlines would have been, 369 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:14,039 you know, just banner headlines announcing, you know, the two point 370 00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:18,359 two trillion dollars was missing from a Department of Defense. Yet we had nine 371 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,319 to eleven conveniently on the front pages instead Trump. So you know, there's 372 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:30,839 trains of dollars that are not accounted for. Richard Souder, who is probably 373 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:37,960 one of the top researchers into the underground facility topic, has identified I think 374 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:44,240 at least one hundred and twenty seven known acknowledged underground facilities. Yet he's combed 375 00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:48,759 through every appropriation's bill for the past thirty forty years and has not found one 376 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,880 penny that has been allocated to build these underground facilities, the ones that we 377 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,960 even know about. That's not even talking about the super secret ones obviously or 378 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:03,440 there that we don't we're not aware of whether they're COG facilities, continuation of 379 00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:08,000 government, whether they're you know, it's a vast tunnel system tying together military 380 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:12,079 basis, as some have suggested, mag left trains that travel as a speed 381 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:15,440 of sound, blah blah blah. You know, we don't really know the 382 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:22,640 extent of our of our you know, technological prowess underground. I've been fast 383 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:29,160 on the heels of sources and information about an ancient tunnel system that exists here 384 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,079 down here in the Southwest where I live. I've got a number of very 385 00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:38,079 intriguing stories of including one just near Los Almos, the National Lab there where 386 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:44,960 workers expanding the lab underground broke into an ancient tunnel system. So we really 387 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,880 don't know the extent of our technological capabilities. I know that there's a patent 388 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,359 out there for a nuclear subterine that was I think issued in the mid seventies 389 00:31:55,359 --> 00:32:00,400 that you know, through sediment the thinking, you know, go twenty to 390 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:08,640 thirty miles a day through bedrocks, seven by melting the rock and instead of 391 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,839 having a big pile of refuse shooting out behind it like a conventional diamond tipped 392 00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:19,400 driller, it just melts it and coats it on the tunnel walls as a 393 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,799 as a coating like glass. Do we have these things operating? Imagine the 394 00:32:23,839 --> 00:32:28,440 past forty years? How many miles you could do if you could go even 395 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:30,359 you know, three or four miles a day. How many miles could be 396 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:37,359 honeycombed under this country? You know, there are a lot of areas of 397 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:45,160 research that people don't take the time to dive into, and and you don't 398 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,960 you know, nobody is out there exhausting all more mundane explanations to explain UFOs 399 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,079 and other anomalies. It's much easier just to think we're important enough for something 400 00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:59,599 out there to come here and be responsible for all this stuff. I think 401 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:05,480 it's it's much more complicated. Yeah, I've said that a couple of times. 402 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:09,079 You know, what what makes us so important? If there's life throughout 403 00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:15,880 the universe, why would we be, you know, other than being observed, 404 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,519 you know with curiosity, um, like we would do if we had 405 00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:24,000 the capability of traveling to other life bearing planets. I'm sure we would study 406 00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:30,000 them, But why would be we be so special that there are you know, 407 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:35,279 one hundred thousand sightings a year and say um, and that could very 408 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:38,279 well be that there's one hundred thousand that are unexplained, because only about ten 409 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:44,680 percent of them reported and about ten ten percent to thirty percent they say are 410 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:50,559 unexplained. So if that's true, let's just say roughly thirty two hundred thousand 411 00:33:52,119 --> 00:34:00,279 un you know, undescribable UFOs, unidentifiable UFOs are here per year. Why 412 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:07,960 would they be? Why would we be so special? Exactly? I think 413 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,320 the biodiversity, the wonderful biodiversity on this planet, it has much more of 414 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:22,000 an allure and attraction to potential outsiders than the one species that's making you know, 415 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:24,639 on average of one species extinct the day. You know, three to 416 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:29,880 four hundred species a year that we know of are going extinct because of our 417 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:35,760 rampant degradation of the environment. So, you know, I prefer to be 418 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:42,880 more conservative in my analysis of these things. You know, you're talking to 419 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,880 somebody that has spent many years out in the field as a field investigator, 420 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,480 interviewing people, working with law enforcement, working with rural communities, mostly networking 421 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,039 with other you know, investigators and researchers. Read the books. I've got 422 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:07,679 an extensive library of over a thousand books. Um. I really make an 423 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:13,039 effort to you know, keep up with what I what I consider to be 424 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:17,559 important relevant research. You know. Of course I have to be aware of 425 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:22,000 some of the more outlandish, you know, third phase of moon stuff. 426 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:28,039 I want to see how sophisticated the hoaxes are getting with the CGI work and 427 00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:30,400 and um, you know, to me, it's so laughable that people are 428 00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:37,559 posting on Facebook and other places just blatant well before before you move off a 429 00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,519 third phase of the moon. I like to bust them when I can get 430 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,360 a chance, because they do. You know. There's tons of videos on 431 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:53,559 YouTube and from third phase of the Moon, and I think about ninety five 432 00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:59,760 percent of them are focus just for the listener out there to keep that in 433 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:04,719 mind. And it's a numbers game for them because they have something like two 434 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,440 hundred thousand subscribers, so they're making several thousand dollars a month, so it's 435 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,920 all about money. And that's not to say that there's not real videos on 436 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,960 there. There are real videos that are just accidentally salted, you know, 437 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,639 amongst the dozens and dozens and dozens of ridiculous but well done you know host 438 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,960 videos. You know, the whole idea of you know fifty style of Damski 439 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:40,079 beam ships and billy Meyer beamships and a Damski flying saucers. That is one 440 00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:45,960 of the best things that ever really happened to the world of photographic UFO analysis, 441 00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:52,159 because you can instantly tell if somebody is just going on a you know, 442 00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:55,119 a sign of sort of an idealized cultural meme image of what a UFO 443 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,480 is. And it's very very easy to pick apart inly at just a single 444 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:07,480 glance. The hoaxes, some of them were complicated ones. Um. You 445 00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,880 know, for anyone that it works in videos such as myself. I mean, 446 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:16,039 I'm in the business of producing video and do know a lot about it. 447 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:21,639 Um. There are some telltale signs to look for certain kinds of pixelation. 448 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,159 UM. But you know, again with a super highly compressed YouTube signal 449 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,639 um that has a tendency to hide some of the deficiencies of the hoaxes and 450 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:37,920 it actually aids them. And in depending on the type of hoax it is, 451 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,480 sometimes it's detrimental to the to the to the image as well. There've 452 00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:46,559 been some very good ones. The Jerusalem UH objects shooting off above the Temple 453 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:51,760 of Uh Dome of the Rock. Um, that was very impressive, very 454 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,360 well done, and they came up with two other videos I believe to help 455 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:59,320 support it. It was a hoax, but very well done. A lot 456 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:05,079 of people food and odd over the the Haitian video coming over the beach and 457 00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:07,079 over the palm trees. It's one of the obvious folks, but very very 458 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:12,480 well done. I think there's twenty I can't remember how many millions, So 459 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,280 there's millions and millions of views on that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 460 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,400 I forget a lot of people just you know, still think that that's 461 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,719 real and that's what a real spaceship looks like. Dude. Man, you 462 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,639 know, it's just the whole idea of a pro bono proctologists coming here and 463 00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:32,800 reaming people's real ends out for free. You know, I mean, the 464 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,960 the Proctologist Union should be pretty indignant by now, you know. I mean, 465 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,360 you know, you start stealing business from from particular specialists and you know 466 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,039 there's hell to pay. Um. I did want to say while we were 467 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,320 of the name Billy Myra came up a few times for the listener. By 468 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:57,119 the way, we're on with Chris O'Brien, and if you're listening live, 469 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,840 you know, please jump into the chat room and pose a question if you 470 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,360 have when you have a couple of them up there. I'm going to get 471 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:07,599 too in a little bit, um, but Billy Meyer just came up a 472 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:14,880 minute ago, and I would have adlog that I've written recently on Billy Meyer 473 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,079 and just saying, you know that if there was ever a the world's longest 474 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,599 UFO hoax Award, it should be given to Billy Meyer. Now, on 475 00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:29,639 my website, for three or four years, I had a picture of one 476 00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:34,039 of his UFOs and I didn't even know until Michael Horn contacted me and said, 477 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,159 hey, you don't have a you know, copyright to have that image, 478 00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:38,480 and I hope. I didn't even know I had that image on there. 479 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:45,760 So you know, he made some really good looking UFO videos for the 480 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:51,920 time he did with mostly basically it wasn't videos. Film, big difference. 481 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,599 What's that that's right? Film? Film? Yeah, eight millimeters sixteen millimeter 482 00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:00,480 and you know he used fishing line. It's kind of proven and you know, 483 00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:05,519 you can see a garbage can lid in one of his flying saucers, 484 00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:09,719 and you can actually see in clear, crystal clear pictures of them. You 485 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,840 can see that they were actually plates and things like that. You know, 486 00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:16,559 a lot of household off My favorite was the wedding cake. Oh, yes, 487 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,039 that's the one they had the trash can lid on it. I think 488 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:27,400 pretty sure. Yeah. Oh, Michael Horn, oh man, everybody's least 489 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,199 favorite part of the brass section. Well, you know, I had a 490 00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:36,159 little back and forth after I wrote this blog. I was contacted by someone, 491 00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:38,760 had a little bit of a back and forth and they said that poor 492 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,880 Michael Horne, he really buys into it, he really believes it. And 493 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,360 I don't know, I'm not convinced that it's kind of like a religion that's 494 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:53,519 or a cult that you know, the followers deep in their heart they actually 495 00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:58,760 know, but they stick to it. Anyway. I think that's uh. 496 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:04,320 I think that's what Michael Horn right, And all the prophecies that he claims, 497 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,679 he makes it come true. Of course they were only announced after the 498 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,920 event occurs. Yeah, that's always that's always good to do, I think. 499 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,079 And I posted this on on that blog. And I know we're kind 500 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:21,000 of getting in like a negative area here, but still, UM, it's 501 00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:28,079 interesting on that Yeah, on that blog, I just posed some pictures that 502 00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:31,079 he had in a book and it was for these, um let's see if 503 00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:37,199 I can just find that real quickly. Um, it was for two um 504 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:43,760 girls, that um of aliens that he took. He took pictures of and 505 00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:49,559 um there were actually two women on the Dean Martin Show at the time, 506 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,519 and it was too late by the time he put them in the UM. 507 00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,119 He put them in a book, printed them in a book. So I 508 00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:04,519 think it's kind of interesting when people always have like a backup. And it 509 00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:08,159 was Askett and Nara, that's who it was, and it ended up being 510 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:16,119 Michelle let's see, Michelle Delapha and Susan Lunn from the Dean Martin Show. 511 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,519 And he just blurred the picture and those were the aliens. Now, he 512 00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:24,920 put them in his book, published the book, and then when it came 513 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,719 out that these were indeed, you know, Dean Martin stars, that's when 514 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,599 he came up with the story that men in black came in and changed the 515 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:39,400 pictures and anything. You know, He's just got these great stories that he 516 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:45,679 comes up with and yeah, you know, he looks like a very happy 517 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,440 man and nice man. But I think that you know, he's been getting 518 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,639 money from supporters for years. Yeah, well he has a little bliss. 519 00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:57,960 Bunnies come to his laundry to cook for him, you know, tend his 520 00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,840 garden, you know, hold it when it needs to be held, and 521 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,559 let go and it needs to be let go of. Um. You know, 522 00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:08,519 hey, the guy's got a good gig going. You know, Who's 523 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,360 who am I to argue except to say the guys, you know, a 524 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,480 fraud. That's not to say he hasn't had real experiences. I think early 525 00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:22,000 on in the sixties, I believe in India, if memory serves been correct, 526 00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:27,480 and possibly early on in Switzerland when he became back, that he did 527 00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:30,280 have some real experience. Just but just like the contacts of the fifties, 528 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,039 you know, they just they think they're singled out and that they're special, 529 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:38,920 and they have to keep coming up with news stories, new sidings, new 530 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:44,960 you know, claims. Just like the people in the UFO field that make 531 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,800 their money and pay their bills with their UFO work every six months, they 532 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,679 got to come up with a news story. They have to continually top themselves. 533 00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,400 They have to, you know, make sure that the mirror is big 534 00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:59,280 enough for the size of their heads and their hair dees, and you know, 535 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:05,639 it's it's it's very similar, and I don't have much respect for that 536 00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,079 aspect of the field. In fact, it makes me embarrassed. If everybody, 537 00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:12,800 you know, anybody says, oh, you're here, I want to 538 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,559 introduce you to my friend who's a ufologist, I immediately spanked them and say, 539 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:20,280 don't lump me in with those crazy people, you know, because a 540 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,079 lot of this field is you know, there's a reason why academia and the 541 00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:29,360 scientific community doesn't want to get slimed, because there's a lot of people out 542 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,559 there that don't know their asked from a hole in the ground, People that 543 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,880 write books and are on TV that don't know their asked from a hole in 544 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:44,960 the ground about this subject. They really don't. And you know, people 545 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,480 that buy into, you know, some of these scenarios that Andrew Besageo, 546 00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:52,360 Yes, I was a time traveler at time, but I went back to 547 00:44:52,360 --> 00:45:00,239 the Gettysburg address and as a child, and or Laura Eisenhower and some these 548 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:05,320 people. It's just I can't believe anybody takes this stuff well, you know, 549 00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:14,079 seriously. I think there's also there's also a situation here where people are 550 00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:19,039 not gonna like when I say this, But I think sometimes that and this 551 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:22,440 is not my own thinking totally, but I do when you say something like 552 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:28,320 this, there's like UFO can be a religion. And you know, there's 553 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:35,039 a friend and fan of the show that has talked about this. I've talked 554 00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:39,079 about this with her a few times, and it can kind of be I 555 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:45,559 think that people are always there's a certain segment of society that is always looking 556 00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:52,119 for something, you know. And I don't mean that you know, my 557 00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:53,800 listeners to the show or anything like that. I just mean that there is 558 00:45:53,800 --> 00:46:00,599 a segment out there that is looking sort of lost and looking for something. 559 00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:02,280 And and why is that, Martin, I mean, think about it. 560 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:09,639 Why is that because these these these patriarchal you know, long past their their 561 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:16,840 due time, you know, monolithic religions of Judaeo Christianity in Islam, you 562 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:22,719 know, have subjugated and controlled people with inter mediaries between the individual and in 563 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:29,280 their own divinity and their own connection to spirit. We have all these intermediaries 564 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,840 that are there to control everybody and and it's outmoded. This this whole belief 565 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,360 system of some guy and this guy with a big white beard, you know, 566 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:43,199 passing judgment over and you know, the whether he's in a good mood 567 00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:45,440 in the Old Testament, but a bad mood in the Old Testament or a 568 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,000 better mood in the New Testament. I mean, you know, we really 569 00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:54,119 need to understand that these are outmoded belief systems and people are looking for something, 570 00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:00,559 something more that they can relate to, and you know, ets and 571 00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:05,719 aliens or a perfect substitute. And you're absolutely right. I mean I I 572 00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:08,840 stand up in front of some of my conference audiences and and say, don't 573 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,679 you realize you're you're all sitting there looking at me, and you're in the 574 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,920 pews of the of a new Church of the twenty first century? Can I 575 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,760 get a n Amen? And then there's silence, and I have to yell 576 00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:24,119 brothers and sisters, can I get an amen? And then of course they 577 00:47:24,119 --> 00:47:30,840 start amen Amen. You know, it's like testify. Um, It's obvious 578 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,239 to me. It's not kind of like a religion. It is. It's 579 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,400 a it's a belief system that is evolving into a space age. Uh, 580 00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:45,599 you know benevolent space brothers are coming here to solve all our problems and fix 581 00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:50,960 everything for us. Type myopia. It's just my opic man. That goes 582 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,760 back to at Demski and George van Tassel and Sure Daniel Fry, George Hunt 583 00:47:55,760 --> 00:48:00,639 Williamson. My favorite of those guys was Truman Bethroom. I think his case 584 00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:04,280 may have been real. Can you explain that one? I'm not sure if 585 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,599 I know who that is. Oh, Truman Bethroom and or Rains a little 586 00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:12,719 forth with women, commander of the ship, and he wrote an entire book 587 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,239 of rhyming couplet poetry love poetry to her. Now, if it was a 588 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,400 hoax, you think he'd spend all that time to write a love poem, 589 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,280 that it was a whole book's worth of rhyming couplets to the diminutive commander of 590 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:31,400 the spaceship or Rains. I've done some research in that there's some supportive evidence 591 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:36,239 of the case that are pretty interesting, including some artifacts and other things. 592 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,119 I actually have a signed copy of a border flying saucer that Bethroom signed, 593 00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:46,719 one of my my kind of old I think it's maybe the first book with 594 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,039 the word flying Saucer in the title, I'm not sure. Yeah, definitely 595 00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,360 one of the first couple. So it sounds like you have quite a library. 596 00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,039 Have you been collecting earlier UFO books? Yeah, yeah for many, 597 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:06,320 many many years since way before I got involved to the extent that I am 598 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,639 today, and in books on on all sorts of things, uh, mysterious 599 00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:19,119 locations, you know, the works of Charles fort Um, cryptozoology, the 600 00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:23,400 occult um, all all sorts of mysterious subject matter. I have tons and 601 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:31,440 tons of of of books. Move I bet yeah, books are their hardest. 602 00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:35,480 Some just wrote on the message board you need to do a UFO Hope 603 00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:42,760 show two hours blast on Roswell slides, Project Pegasus and Billy Meyer. That 604 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,000 was I mean, let's talk about Surpo and I mean we can talk Corey 605 00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:53,360 good and like I said before, Beisaggio and and uh some of the just 606 00:49:53,639 --> 00:50:00,639 ridiculous inanities from Alfred Weber, um, some of the bizarre our stuff that 607 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:05,800 David Wilcock comes up with, and David Serreta. I mean, we won't 608 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,760 even talk about Sean, David Morton, um, someone Linda House stuff. 609 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:17,239 It's just it's it's amazing to me that these people get millions of people tuning 610 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,800 in and believing this stuff. That's what you were talking about. The hair 611 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:27,320 due That's why I laughed. Well, I was thinking, Richard Hoagland too 612 00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:32,519 is like the Warren Zevon song and his hair was perfect. Well yeah, 613 00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:36,480 and now now Richard Dolan, Yes, so I'm gonna pick on him too. 614 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,280 No, Richard letting his hair grow. He's he wants to be at 615 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,559 chick Magnet. Yeah, you look pretty free and happy. Last last year 616 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:46,920 at the UFO conference, um that we both were at. Now I am 617 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:52,679 getting a lot of messages up on a message board that people want to talk 618 00:50:52,679 --> 00:50:55,079 about cattle mutilations were almost at the top of the hour. But um, 619 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,239 so I do have I'm gonna if you don't mind, we'll shift gears and 620 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,239 we'll talk a little bit about that. And yeah, I mean, I'm 621 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,840 I'm you know, I hate to sound like a nasare and but I'm just 622 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:12,320 so disgusted by a vast majority of what passes is uphology. You know, 623 00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,000 I just can't help it. I can't help to be down on it. 624 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,880 And it's an embarrassment to be associated with the subject in any way, shape 625 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,599 or form. At times, it really is. You know, I'm getting 626 00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:28,159 tired of of you know. It's like I feel like Rodney Dangerfield's you know, 627 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:35,599 red haired stepchild. You know. It's funny when I talked to a 628 00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:38,599 lot of people that have been at it for as long and longer as you 629 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,880 not all of them, but a lot of them kind of have the same 630 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,760 attitude, you know. And I've heard, you know, someone say, 631 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:51,599 we have to drain the swamp and uthology and a lot of people, you 632 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,519 know, just get burned out. And there was someone I wanted to do 633 00:51:55,079 --> 00:52:00,079 I wanted to talk to the other day. I was looking him up on 634 00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:04,840 the Hopkinsville m Kelly case or whatever it is. You know, way back 635 00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,480 there was someone doing some great research on that. And when I finally got 636 00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:13,559 through people like Kurt Collins that knew of him and all that, he said, 637 00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:15,920 oh, yeah, he left the UFO field and we'll have nothing to 638 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,719 do with it. You know, there are people that just get burned out 639 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:27,039 and have seen the changes. And just spoke with Lee Spiegel yesterday and he 640 00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:29,559 was basically saying kind of saying the same thing. You know, He's been 641 00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,400 added a long time too, since the early seventies, so it does. 642 00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:37,039 It takes the twists and turns. Um. But I think you're right about 643 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:42,719 you know, pop culture does there is um, you know, interaction with 644 00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:46,880 what is pop culture? And and you know, people people haven't in their 645 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:52,119 mind's eye, I think subconsciously what it is that makes them excited and makes 646 00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:55,519 them you know, want to believe. And if they here's something that conforms 647 00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,840 to that sort of unconscious desire, then they give it. They give it 648 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,199 attention, They they feed into it, and it's it's a feedback loop. 649 00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:07,840 And uh, you know, if you start you know, it's what did 650 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,760 Joseph Goebel say? If you say the same lie over and over and over 651 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:15,119 again, people take it as the truth. All right. Since since we're 652 00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:20,760 talking on this, I often times pick on someone you mentioned earlier, and 653 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,960 that's um, doctor Stephen Greer. Now he is an example, um to 654 00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:30,119 me, and I a lot of times I get hate mail when I talk 655 00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:34,239 about this, and that's okay, UM, but he is someone that I 656 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,840 thought started out actually pretty decent and uh, you know, made some really 657 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:45,119 good efforts and uh, but you know he's he's uh, he's someone just 658 00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:47,719 to like what you're talking about. God met Stephen twenty two years ago, 659 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,480 and he was he was a man on a mission. His right hand girl, 660 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:59,119 Friday managing director. Uh. Sherry Adamack was one of my best friends, 661 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:04,119 um after I met her, and um, like I told him twenty 662 00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:07,800 two years ago in front of a bunch of really wealthy, very powerful and 663 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:13,280 influential people. So I'm associated with Laurence Rockefeller others associated with some big East 664 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,960 Coast money. I told him my point point blank, I said, Stephen, 665 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,440 your message is way more important than you are. And he goes, 666 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,280 WHOA we do? And I said, no, no, Stephen, here, 667 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,679 let me say this again. Okay, your message is way more important 668 00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:38,519 than you are. And when you when you start talking megalomania and you know, 669 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:45,199 just rampant egoisticism or whatever the word is, egotism. Uh. And 670 00:54:45,199 --> 00:54:51,159 in all the grandstanding um that goes along with it, you become and and 671 00:54:51,159 --> 00:54:53,480 and intellectual dishonesty. I mean, let's get real, um, you become 672 00:54:53,960 --> 00:55:00,480 a major part of the problem. And you know, I support Stephen vision 673 00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:07,760 and his not so much as message anymore, but I did early on. 674 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:13,039 You know, I can see the importance of trying to get proactive and all 675 00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:16,079 these types of things that he attempts to do, but not lay everybody lay 676 00:55:16,119 --> 00:55:21,400 their hands on the doctor, and he'll be the intermediary to channel the aliens 677 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,039 down. And you know, when you really start interjecting yourself as the lynchpin 678 00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:34,119 for any scenario involving upology except for the with the exception of Ray Stanford, 679 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:42,119 um, you become a highly suspect and uh and compromised. Right And and 680 00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:45,159 Ray, I'm sure he's listening. He say he listens to every show. 681 00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:52,599 I believe really like Ray a lot. Ray is the only person in upology 682 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,920 that really matters as far as I'm concerned. Wow, that's quite a statement. 683 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,360 He's the only one doing doing the work to the extent that it needs 684 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:07,360 to be done. And when he finally decides to reveal you know, years 685 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,159 of analysis that he's been doing, um, it's gonna be a whole whole 686 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:15,880 new ball game. I mean there's gonna be uh. I guess B R 687 00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:22,960 and A R before Ray and after Ray. And I don't say that lightly. 688 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:28,039 I'm not a disciple of Ray. I'm I'm not a m you know, 689 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,400 a true believer of Ray. I don't genuflect at the altar of Ray 690 00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:35,599 I just know good scientific work when I see it. Yeah, and uh, 691 00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:39,599 and Ray is the only person that even comes close to even being in 692 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:46,639 this conversation, right, Yeah, I think he's absolutely brilliant, really and 693 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:52,320 Rock just saying that if you're listening, Ray, But um, all right, 694 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,480 we got I wanted to get into the cattle mutilations. We only have 695 00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:59,199 about four or five minutes left in this um this hour, but so let 696 00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,880 me just post the one question And that was the first question that went up 697 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:09,239 on the message board. Someone wanted an update on your camera Capture UFO data 698 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:15,800 project in the San Luis Valley. Well, like everything, it's three steps 699 00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:21,639 forward, two steps back. We have the gear. We have a team 700 00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:28,920 that's gone ahead and taken our real Shot Manager software, which is the proprietary 701 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,480 software that's Sony released for security cameras. And what they've done is they've they've 702 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:38,360 put it on steroids and supercharged it so that instead of fifteen pixels being the 703 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:45,920 smallest movement on the screen that will be registered as motion, we've gotten it 704 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:51,840 way down to a small packet size. And so there's been some real major 705 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,400 work done in the software. Right now. What we're doing is we're setting 706 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:59,599 up a base station near Alamosa, Colorado, which is in the very center 707 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:05,519 of the valley. We're talking about getting it up on you know, a 708 00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:10,039 fairly high telephone pole that has a special type of apparatus that allows us to 709 00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:14,239 bring the camera down they haven't having to climb up and grab it so that 710 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:19,599 we can clean the bird droppings off, because that's been a problem with these 711 00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:22,360 dome cameras. Birds love to sit on them, and of course they end 712 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,679 up doing their thing on them too and obscuring our view. So it's been 713 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,480 fits and starts. My base station. Guys ran through kind of a rough 714 00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:37,800 summer. His wife was involved in a bad automobile accident and he got called 715 00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,920 out of work town on work, and so we've been kind of put put 716 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:46,280 behind our schedule right now. But there's also talk of working with Leslie Kane 717 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,840 and Mark Rodiger. Of course, Barrel it was a long time from Kufos. 718 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,079 They have a similar type of idea called UFO Data, and we had 719 00:58:55,119 --> 00:59:00,639 him on the Paracash, my radio show in and they seem very working with 720 00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:04,840 us. I've also been in touch with Mark D'Antonio, who is the official 721 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:12,519 digital video analysts for a moufund who's working with Douglas Trumbull in you FOLCATUM. 722 00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,440 That's another possible alliance that we're going to have. UM. I think that 723 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:21,400 we have done quite a bit of research and development work, UM, you 724 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,760 know, in terms of software and and trying to get up you know, 725 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,440 affordable off the shelf equipment. We have all the gear we need, it's 726 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,280 just a matter of of id the you know, ideing the proper locations and 727 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,480 having people there to actually tend to the gear. It's one thing to have 728 00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:38,960 a you know, a bunch of camera set up in a base station. 729 00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:45,440 It's another thing to have a properly banned And so the next thing that we're 730 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:51,199 planning on doing, UM is doing a Kickstarter campaign and getting the necessary operating 731 00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:58,039 funds UM so that we can then boom pay people you know to do things 732 00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:01,000 instead of just relying on their free time. UM. That approach hasn't worked. 733 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,639 So we're going to go to a to a you know, a you 734 01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:08,360 fund me type thing and and UM and have some cash. I think we 735 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:14,960 do have, you know, a very interesting and well thought out idea, 736 01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:19,480 and I think it will attract the kind of public contention and scrutiny. Um 737 01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:23,159 that will you know, enable us to get some funding. Um, it's 738 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,360 not that expensive to do this now in this day and age. Um. 739 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,079 The cameras we have now are almost obsolete. I mean, we're we're just 740 01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:35,559 up at high depth. The real problem in rural areas though is bannedwidth. 741 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,719 And now that the San Luis Valley is finally getting the kind of T two 742 01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:44,519 lines and really good bandwidth, um, now we have recourse. Um. 743 01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:49,880 We're also playing with an idea of having a completely close circuit land, our 744 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,599 own land, um, so that we don't have to rely on the internet. 745 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:59,239 Uh and and possibly allow you know, software to be compromised from outside 746 01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:00,880 and that sort of thing. So we're looking at it. We're looking at 747 01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:07,519 having both a live feed for the cameras and having an internal CLO closed loop 748 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:13,280 system for the three cameras. Yeah, I think you question just came up 749 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,719 on the message board, but I believe you just answered that. Someone was 750 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:22,039 asking how you plan to link the base station's video stream, so I guess 751 01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:24,119 you just answered that. And they also said that you should put an alien 752 01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:30,360 looking scarecrow up on top. Well, we actually have a mechanical owl that 753 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,960 when a bird gets close motion detector goes off, and the owl turns its 754 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,519 head and hoots. Oh my goodness, because that's what you always see like 755 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:43,000 on boats and things when they're trying to keep birds away. Exactly. Wow. 756 01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,519 Great, all right, well we're going to talk an hour or two 757 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:50,559 about with a muncher questions up there about cattle mute relations and all that stuff. 758 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,280 So all right, you can say goodbye to the hour one people. 759 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:59,639 If you would buy our one, people get a subscripcheon for our two. 760 01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:06,079 I'm a no holds barred. That was pretty good. All right. 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