Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host Samantha Fay and I'm
Deb Bowen, and today we're going to take a deeper dive into the ancient
art or science of alchemy. What is it, what did it mean in
the ancient world, and what does it mean to us today. I love
to talk about ALCHEMYDA because I think so much of what we discuss on this
show, whether it's intuition and psychic development are manifesting in magic, really does
have elements of alchemy rolled into it. Oh. I think everything's alchemy.
And this is a gal who only managed to get through chemistry by the grace
of a very kind high school chemistry teacher. Yeah, there you go.
Well, let's talk about what it was. Historically, there were two basic
concepts that described the intent of alchemy. One was that the alchemist wanted to
turn base metal like lead, for example, into gold. And the second
was that the alchemist wanted to discover or create and then use an elixir that
would make him immortal. I mean, those are two pretty amazing things.
Absolutely they are. And before we take a deep dive into those concepts,
there's a third definition of alchemy and its intent that might be closer to the
truth, at least for us today. But before we get there, let's
talk about this history. So according to the Royal Society of Chemistry, the
art of alchemy was passed through centuries from Egypt and Arabia to Greece and Rome,
and then to Central and Western Europe. The word alchemy comes to us
from the Arabic word alchemia al hyphen aimia, which is related to the ancient
Egyptian preparation of what we now call the stone of elixir. The root camea
comes from the Coptic M A h e m, which is related to the
fertile black earth of the Nile River delta. So when we dig into this
word further, we find that hieroglyphically, the word kim describes the dark mystery
of what is called first matter, or the the beginnings of creation. So
basically we have a transliteration of a phrase or a word that morphed and moved
from one culture to another with the idea ultimately of being some mysterious way to
prepare a philosopher's stone or an elixir of eternal life, and somehow or another,
that term goes back even further into the world of the Coptics and connection
to the earth itself, that fertile land that is the Nile River Delta,
with so much food has come from. They call it first matter. Interestingly,
and I found this just fascinating when I started to dig into alchemy.
One of the earliest known alchemists was a woman, and she was known as
Mary or Maria the Jewish Marry, the prophetess Maria the copt As in Coptic
Gospels, and she lives sometime between the first and third centuries AD in Alexandria.
She's considered by some historians to be the first true alchemist in the Western
world. She invented several kinds of chemical apparatus and wrote extensively on the alchymol
process. One of her theories was that metals have a body, soul,
spirit, and gender attributes, and that by combining certain male and female metal
new metals, new entities could be made. Her work has been chronicled by
historians in the fourth, eighth and tenth centuries by Arabic, Byzantine and Greek
historians. So I just find this fascinating that he was this woman who was
considered to be a prophet who was connected to the Coptic sect in Egypt,
who was Jewish in Alexandria, did all of this amazing scientific, basically scientific
work. One of her principles, which has become known as the axiom of
Maria, became a guide for early alchemists. And here's what it says.
Now bear with me, because you hang on here. Her axiom says one
becomes two, two becomes three, and out of the third comes the one
as the fourth. Now I don't think I could do any chemistry with that
sentence. But Carl Young could. Of course he could. I'm already confused
by what you just said. Yeah I was too, But but bear with
me here. I think we're gonna make it make sense, or at least
Carl Young is gonna make it make sense. So Young and his associate Marie
Luise von Franz created an alternative version of Maria's axiom that says, out of
the one comes two, out of the two comes three, and from the
third comes the one is the fourth? All right? That I get?
Okay, I knew you would. It was these concepts that Young used as
the philosophical basis of his theory of individuation. So here's here's the cool thing
about this, and I'll talk more about Carl Young in ament, but he
was so fascinated by alchemy and magic and Toreaux and lots of other things that
in his work as a psychologist, he could see the connection among all of
these pieces to the puzzle, including mythology. That's a whole other episode,
but he could understand how the notion of this desire to create something from nothing
really became a part of who we are in terms of our philosophical and psychological
makeup, which I just think was fascinating. He had on his property when
he got older and built a home that he really wanted, he built a
tower, and up at the top of that tower was where he did all
sorts of experiments and lots of fascinating research. But back to Mary, because
here's an interesting piece of trivia about her. She invented something that became known
a chemical piece of apparatus called a bane bai n hyphen Marie or Mary bath.
It is a contraption. This is how it's described. It is a
contraption that limits the temperature of a container and its contents by exposing the container
to a separate liquid heated to the boiling point, which provides a gentle heat
for the substance being heated. Today we call that bain Marie a double boiler.
That's how I melt chocolate. That's right exactly. We need to think
of another alchemist that most of us don't think of as being an alchemist,
but rather as one of the founding fathers of much of today's modern science,
Sir Isaac Newton. But I think of him as about falling apples and prisms
and refractions of light. When I think of Sir Isaac Newton, I think
of the cover of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon album. Of course
you do, of course I do. But it is estimated that one million
of the ten million words he wrote in his research and personal and professional papers
were about alchemy. He apparently felt he needed to be secretive about some of
his thoughts and works on this topic because he mixed his alcyml knowledge with philosophy
and allegory and flowery image so as to keep himself from being labeled a heretic.
In twenty twenty two, unpublished pages of Newton's notes on Jean Baptiste van
Helmont's book on the Plug in the sixteen hundreds were being auctioned by famous auction
house Bottoms, and in those pages, Newton suggests that the best therapy for
the plague begins with a dead toad. Too much for this episode, but
suffice it to say, it's not a cure. I'd want to try what
I want now. I want to know what you have to do with the
dead toad. There was a lot of stuff that I started reading it and
I thought, I can't talk about this. This is too weird. Did
it involve a double boiler. I don't think so. But he really was
working with some interesting stuff that we would not think of for Newton and all
of his science, you know. So over time, alchemists of the Middle
Ages wanted to find the Philosopher's Stone, which is also called the Stone of
Knowledge. There was there was this idea that there was this one particular rock
made of some kind of metals, some kind of stones, that would give
the owner of the rock the ability to live eternally, to learn everything they
needed to know, and to be able to work with some way to transmute
metals into gold. One of the interesting things about that process of turning things
into gold. That I did not know was that most alchemists of the Middle
Ages believed that all metals were the same substance. There was just one substance,
in varying degrees of that substance, with gold being the most pure and
silver being the second. So what they felt they could do is if they
could could take a piece of metal and in some way take away the impure
metals, what would be left would be pure gold or maybe some gold and
silver. That's what they were hoping that they would be able to find.
Wasn't the Philosopher's stone also connected to immortality in some legends? Well, yes
it was, and so was the notion of the elixir, So it's kind
of both both that whatever that liquid elixir is, and the Philosopher's Stone or
the stone of knowledge. Okay, which would you prefer finding a magical stone
that turns lead into gold or finding a magical stone that makes you immortal.
I'm not sure I want either of them. I think they'd both be more
trouble than their were. Well, I mean, if you had let into
gold, if you had that magical stone, you could do a lot of
good in the world. You could this is true now. The immortality one.
I had a little esoteric crisis as a kid when I was watching Bewitched.
I loved that show, and I wanted to be Bewitched until there was
one episode where it talked about how she was immortal and Darren was not,
and how one day he would grow old and she would still be young.
And I remember being a little girl and thinking, ooh, that's I couldn't
wrap my head around that. And so I wouldn't want to be immortal unless
my loved ones could be too. No, I don't think so. I
think as I have gotten older, I have come more to appreciate the idea
that this doesn't go on forever, and that there's something else and it's time
to go. And I don't mean that in any kind of bad way.
I just went right right, I don't. I just think it's the order
of things that should be. But one of the things that medieval alchemists did
was that they used in their work was they used astronomical signs as alcymol symbols.
So in the early days of this alchemy work, when folks trying to
figure out how their formulas, for example, they used fairly common signs like
I don't know the sign for mercury, for example. Well, as they
became hunted and persecuted, then they needed to invent secret symbols to protect and
preserve their work. So as they were hunted and killed, I went into
hiding, Charlatan's and impostors took over, extorting money from the common folk for
remedies and promises of potent elixirs. Basically, here we have the snake old
salesman coming along and taking over, and not only doing terrible things to poor
people who were hoping for some kind of cure or financial help. So bad
things were happening, but it was also but a blight on the name of
the true researchers who were trying to do this work. And then comes the
age of reason. So in the seventeen hundreds, early scientists attempted to sort
what they considered valid advances in chemistry or pharmacology or medicine from this quackery and
what they termed magic. Hear how the word gets played here as something really
negative. M see what happens yep. And on one hand, I can
appreciate and respect the work of the scientist who said, wait, wait,
wait, wait. Wait, there's some valid research going on here, and
we're learning some important things and they're getting some good things for people. At
the same time, there are these quacks over here doing this stuff, and
that magic stuff is weird, and we need to separate these out. So
when the Age of Reason tried to separate true science from magic science, the
results, of course were that true magic was discredited and shoved into darkness.
And interestingly, at the turn of the twentieth century, it was that psychologist
who was not a hard scientist who brought alchemy to mind again and went back
to Carl Young. We want to talk about him a minute. Sure,
First I just want to say I can I can kind of understand why science
wasn't that way because you had the Charlatans and the snake oil salespeople like you
mentioned. But if you look at some of the magicians we've researched on this
show, look at John D. Queen Elizabeths, the first court astrologer who
partnered up with his psychic friend and created the Enokian alphabet from channeling and magical
spells. You know, he kind of went south to remember when the angels
supposedly told him and his psychic partner that they had to swap wives. Alistair
Crowley got addicted to heroin and did all sorts of weird stuff. I don't
know. I mean, I can kind of understand where they're coming from.
I think too. Yeah, it's sad. I wish that we could hold
two truths inside our head at the same time. But I don't know.
I don't know either, But yes, it is sad. And that was
to think about this. This was even in a time when there wasn't the
mass media that we have today, So it probably took a while for that
sorting of the positif folks doing real work and the charlatan's doing their work,
probably took a while for that to sort itself out as it made its way
across Europe. Yeah, that's very very true. Okay, But back to
Young. He was interested in alchemy for two main reasons. First, he
wanted to learn if there were historic parallels to his own discoveries about humanity's unconscious
psychic life, and the second reason was an attempt to understand a series of
related dreams, one of which he wrote about in his autobiography Memories, Dreams
and Reflections. He says, before I discovered alchemy. I had a series
of dreams which dealt with the same theme. Beside my house stood another,
that is to say, another wing or nix, which was strange to me.
Each time I would wonder in my dream why I did not know this
house although it had apparently always been there. The strange part of the house
revealed its meaning. Finally, the unknown wing of the house was a part
of my personality and aspect of myself. Young said that this part of the
dream was unconscious and would later prove to be representative of his interest in the
study of medieval alchemy. And that's true. If you ever have a dream
that you're in your house and you discover a room or a wing like Young
did in your home, and you're like, wait, I've lived here for
fifteen twenty twenty five years, how could I not know this was here.
I think we've all had that dream. It's pretty common. It means that
there's something you're unconscious is trying to tell me, and it means, you
know, girl, it's time to meditate, basically, because it means something's
trying to come to your conscious mind. It's always a good thing. I
have had those kind of dreams repeatedly over the years. Can't just stop and
tell one of them. Because I had one way. I lived in a
it was a whole different house, and it was an ivy color covered Tudor
mansion. And then you know, there's statues, those famous little figurines of
birds made of like porcelain and bisk and things. And I have pondered that
dream over and over again for many years. But in another dream, I
was in an old country farmhouse that's what we would call a shotgun house,
and that you could see straight down a hallway from the front door to the
back door, and there was a staircase going up on the side of the
hallway. And in this dream, there is a box on a table in
that hallway, up against the staircase. And I walk in the front door,
and I walk over to the box and I look down in it,
and there is my wonderful Merlin, my Merlin, the cat. It was
horrible. It was a horrible dream, and it came several times, and
it took me a long time to realize that what was happening in that dream
was in fact that I had lost a part of myself, that that part
of me that Young talks about representative of his interest in the study of medieval
alchemy. Well, I had lost my magic because I had lost my merlin.
Oh interesting, Wow, that's deep. I think your first dream is
more positive though. Oh I felt it. Well, you might feel that
way, but you don't have my phone of birds. Well, I was
just going to say, you've had a lifelong fear of birds, and the
fact that they were statues in that dream. I feel as you're subconscious trying
to tell you that you're, you know, working on solidifying and facing this
fear so that it's not a fluent, living thing in your subconscious anymore.
Well, I think that's probably true, and it did. My fear of
birds did lesson after that dream, But it was it was a very cold
dream. It was very emotionless. That's all I knowed to just describe it.
But in any case, I think that Young's comments about us finding parts
of ourselves in new houses or in new wings of our house is absolutely a
part of his alchymol discovery. I agree. He says that he received more
clarity about this need to research alchemy in another dream in nineteen twenty six,
and in this dream he was being held captive in the seventeenth century, and
he says, not until much later did I realize that the dream referred to
alchemy. For that sign adis reached its height in the seventeenth century. Young
believed that alchemy was a symbolic representation of the individuation process, and he had
two particularly astute comments about his work with alchemy, and one he said,
grounded in the natural philosophy of the Middle Ages, alchemy formed the bridge on
the one hand, into the past to gnosticism and on the other end of
the future to the modern psychology of the unconscious. Wow. I never really
thought about alchemy that way that it's connect because gnosticism does have a lot of
magic in it, but it also has a lot of subconscious work. One
of the one of my favorite quotes that Jesus said in one of the Gnostic
Gospels is if you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth
will free you. If you do not bring forth what is within you,
what you do not bring forth will destroy you. That sounds exactly like Young's
quotes about you know, shadow work, where he says if you do not
bring forth what is uh in your unconscious, it will destroy you and you
will call it fate. Absolutely. Yeah. He also said, only after
I had familiarized myself with alchemy did I realize that the unconscious is a process
and that the psyche is transformed or developed by the relationship of the ego to
the contents of the unconscious. Okay, can we break that down? Yeah,
I'm working on it. What does that mean? He says that the
unconscious mind is a process rather than I think, and that the psyche is
transformed or developed even by its relationship to the ego and the contents of the
unconscious. So basically, that part of us that is our psyche, that
is that part of us, that is that comprehensive body that holds our unconscious,
conscious and subconscious mind, our ego and our id is created as a
in connection to the ego and its relationship to the unconscious. Kinda reminds me
of the show we did on the binary soul doctrine. What does does how
we're always trying to reconcile these two sides of ourselves. Absolutely? Yeah.
Interesting. All right, let's take a quick break, and then when we
come back, we're going to talk about how alchemy transformed through young into how
we're dealing with it and looking at it today. We'll be right back.
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All right, dev Do you want to talk about where how alchemy is
being transformed since young into more modern times? Absolutely so. Richard Kaniff,
writing in the Smithsonian Magazine, reports that the topic of alchemy was so scorned
for most of the twentieth century that any academic who dad mention it was eyed
as a quote lunatic. However, by the nineteen eighties, the tide had
finally turned and research was undertaken that examined the secretive but metaphoric language of the
alchemist. According to Coniference Smithsonian, he says that one example is quote a
text that describes a cold dragon who creeps in and out of the caves,
But that was code for salt peter, which is really potassium nitrate, a
crystalline substance found on cave walls that taste cool to the tongue. I just
love the poetry that he's describing here of alchemy. Isn't that lovely? It
is? It really is. Lawrence Principate, a chemist and science historian at
John Hopkins University, cobbled together obscure text and scraps of seventeenth century laboratory notebooks
to reconstruct a recipe to grow a quote Philosopher's tree from a seed of gold.
Suposedly, this tree was a precursor to the more celebrated and elusive Philosopher's
stone, which would be able to transmute metal into gold. The use of
gold to make more gold would have seemed entirely logical to alchemists, like using
germs of wheat to grow an entire field of wheat Principe mixed specially prepared mercury
and gold into a buttery lump at the bottom of a flask. Then he
buried the seal flask in a heated sand bath in a laboratory. One morning,
he came into the lab to discover, to his quote utter disbelief,
that the flask was filled with a glittering and fully formed tree of gold.
The mixture of metals had grown upward into a structure resembling coral or the branching
canopies of a tree, minus the leaves. So in conduct this research,
Principe and other historians were able to determine that alchemists used sound experiment process and
procedures and reported genuine results. As the study of alchemy, both historically and
today continues, we might better think of scientific change as an alchymol rather than
a rapid process. So I think for me, as I was reading this
and trying to process what was happening here. Again, I don't understand the
science of how that happened. I don't get that, nor do I get
why there was a mixture of gold and mercury. I don't know what that
was about. But something grew somehow or another, this tree branch, this
thing sort of like an arm of coraal grew, but over a period of
time, it wasn't that it was instant. And I think one of lessons
for me this is just deb talking here, is that when we think of
the alcymal process today, think of the patience and the time and the willingness
to experiment and try so many things and trust processes over time, beginning back
in this you know, this in Egypt many years ago is so different than
the way we are in the world today. We are so instant society that
the process of being patient and waiting and watching something in a flask grow from
a heated sand bath to become something different is probably totally foreign to our way
of thinking today. True, but if you apply that patience to what Young
was saying, it helps us to be kinder to ourselves. If it takes
that long for the for the subconscious, for example, to alchemize into our
consciousness, then we need to be more patient with ourselves and the inner growth
and healing we're trying to do. Absolutely true, exactly, And for me,
that's part of what so fascinates me and fascinated the scholars of the Middle
Ages. You know, who wouldn't want, as we talked earlier, at
least on a surface level, to own the Philosopher's stone, the elixir of
life. I'm not sure about that one, but folks really would have wanted
that, and particularly you can think about that during the plagues. Who wouldn't
have wanted that during the plagues? Right? But you know, as Young
points out, alchemy, it's so much more than this turning metal into gold.
It's so much more than creating some kind of an elixir. It's about
that deep connection to ourselves and to other people. You know, Paul Kualo,
I never can pronounce his name properly, Am I saying it right?
Oh? Well? Paulocoelo, who wrote that brilliant little book called The Alchemist.
It's a book that we used to ask our students to read. I
still think everybody ought to read it. It's what he writes about alchemy.
We are travelers on a cosmic journey, stardust swirling and dancing in the eddies
and whirlpools of infinity. Life is eternal. We have stopped for a moment
to encounter each other, to meet, to love, to share this is
a precious moment. It is a little parenthesis in eternity. It is unknowable
that this true magic among us is what makes alchemy so alluring. It's that
inability to know what is that makes this so fascinating to us even today.
And so perhaps, like the question for the Holy Grail, the search for
the alchymol process, that's what really matters. The search matters, he wrote,
And when you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to
achieve it. I love that too, And I think you and I are
physical embodiments of proving that. I mean, we've been able to manifest beautiful,
wonderful things in our lives. And I think we've been able to take
the metal, you know, the base idea of something we want to create,
and turn it into gold. And applying this again to young, I
think we can take the metal of say a bad lesson or a difficult journey
of our trek, through this voyage called life, and through time and patience
and healing and reflection, turn it into gold. But you know, I
was listening to a podcast on aliens, you know, because that's what I
like to do, and they had this guest on and he was kind of
boring, to be honest, But I swear every time you're drawing to listen
to something, you should just see it through to the end, because it
means there's a little nugget of gold in there for you. And for some
reason, I just kept feeling like I needed to hear this guy out.
And he said something that was really interesting. He said. They asked him,
you know, do you think we're going through disclosure? Do you think
we're going to know the answers? And he said, I don't know.
He said, I really think all of this stuff in this paranormal, supernatural
world we're interested in, whether it's magic or alchemy, or aliens or unsolved
mysteries. He said, I think it's a gift from the universe. I
think it's a Cohen. And I really thought about that and he and the
interviewer was like, what do you mean, and he said, well,
you know, a Cohen is a it's a zen Buddhist meditation practice. It's
an unanswerable riddle that you're supposed to reflect on because it clears your mind.
And he said, I think the universe gives us these these cohens, these
things that we can't answer, because it's in seeking the answer that we understand
ourselves. I never really thought about all this big stuff you and I contemplate
and discuss on this show is one big Cohen have you. I've never used
that phrase for it, but golly, is that not right? Yeah?
I mean alchemy and the Holy Grail and the Philosopher's Stone and magic and the
elixir of life and and and and and those unanswerable questions are what's so important
to me in so many ways is knowing that, one day, as Rilka
said, I may live into the answers. Yeah, but right now I'm
happy to blanket myself and the questions me too, Yeah, me too,
because they're fun and contemplate. You know, sometimes just contemplation for the sake
of contemplation is wonderful and fun for me. And that's kind of where I
see us being, at least for bit on this journey through magic and alchemy.
Is that the contemplation is the journey, exactly, the journey, the
quest the mentors, the helpers, the friends, the testers, the challengers
that you meet all along the path, it's all part of it. I
sure hope folks have enjoyed being on this journey with us through this alchymal discussion.
Do you think of yourself as an alchemist? I'd like to No,
really, have you been able? Okay, I'm just gonna put it all
out there, deb Do you think you've been able to take shit that's been
handed to you and turn it into gold? I don't know about turning it
into gold, but maybe maybe silver. Yes, I do, Samantha,
I do too, So you're an alchemist. I'm an alchemist. Wouldn't you
like to be an alchemist with us? We're all alchemists. Yeah, we've
all turned just stuff into something so much more in our lives, and I
think that's a that's a really good way of looking at it. Sam I
do think that we can take gold and turn it back into metal, though,
and not not to be a little want part of as we wrap up
the show, but I think it's important if you recognize and honor and accept
that you are magical, that you're a divine co creator, and that you
can to be an alchemist. You also have to accept that if you can
alchemize things, you can alchemize them into a positive or negative, which is
why it is crucial that we maintain a vigilance about our interior world. Our
inner thoughts are in our emotions and our inner feelings about ourselves and how we're
looking at ourselves, talking about ourselves, treating ourselves. I think that's really
important. I think it is too and not going back into taking stuff.
Although although some of those other metals are also important. Where the alchemist of
old thought of this high art key, some of those other metals are also
important for us to have, so I think that they are pieces of the
Alcomol puzzle as well. And you know, one of the things that that
I have done consciously since the first of the year is that I have sat
in just silence. And I don't mean just like, oh, I'm going
to meditate now. I mean to just sit in silence and let whatever thoughts
bubble up, bubble up, and know that there's a reason for them,
and then I go and jop them down. And I think it's that process
of trusting that information that comes. I've heard that tone for so long now
that I recognize it when it shows up, and that has been a big
help to me in giving myself permission to just be because I can be a
to do list. Queen, you know, and to just sit for a
few minutes and just let things simmer in that Bain Marie as we learned.
You know, I think that's an important part for me, is to just
be with it for a bit. But you also said something important, because
so much of our societal thinking of meditation is clearing the mind. No mind,
no thought, and that's really not what we talk about when we talk
about being vigilant of your interior world. It is what you just said.
It's sitting and allowing the thoughts to come right otherwise they're going to have to
pop through. You know, our subconscious is always trying to talk to us,
and if it can't talk to us in meditation or when we're daydreaming and
letting our mind wander, it's going to try and talk to us in our
dreams. But if we're so stressed that we're suppressing our dream recall, well,
how else is the subconscious going to talk to you? It's going to
show up through bodily pains and aches. Right, So if you can listen
to your subconscious right away through that interior pause in your day or night to
meditate and just let those thoughts come, you're gonna start alchemizing. See what
I did there a whole lot faster. But yes, and but I don't
know that faster is better. I think it's a process. No, you're
right, faster is not better. And I knew you're gonna bite me when
I said that word. What I meant was I'd rather get the message from
my subconscious through meditation than through bodily eggs and pains. Oh, absolutely,
absolutely true. Don't you think there are stages of how the brain tries to
talk to us. I mean, our subconscious tries to talk to us.
Oh, I do. And I think it tries and symbols, and it
tries in dreams, and it tries coincidence. And the more we ignore it,
the louder it gets. Oh absolutely, I'd still keep coming back to
that. One of the funniest scenes ever in a movie was the scene where
a double door gets the glasses of Mead to knock the Doursleys on the head
to get them to pay attention, and they won't do it. They just
sit there with these glasses banging on their head. And I think, you
know, we do that a lot as people. We you know, something's
banging on our head and we're just pretending it's not there, and that doesn't
get us anyway or teach us anything. So I do think that our subconscious
will continue to do that until we get it. Yeah. I agree,
the universe is conspiring to help us, but we have to help back.
Yes, we have to. We have to listen and observe and be patient.
That's right, Samantha. And then and then the alchemy happens. Yes.
Well, we hope you guys have enjoyed this show. We really have
enjoyed talking about alchemy and magic and Carl Jung and chemistry. Oh my goodness,
deb you you sure did plan a heavy show for us. Guys.
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