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This is the Baseline discussing the hot
button topics of the NBA. Welcome everybody,

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your tune to the Baseline Callie Warrenshaw
discussing the hot button topics of the

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NBA. And it is uh,
it's done. It's pretty much a rap.

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As we are recording this, we
can finally say goodbye to the NBA

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regular season and hello NBA Playoffs.
But before we get there, we obviously

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have to deal with the NBA play
ins. But you know, listen all

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of the other shows that are out
there, and we love them, no

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disrespect, you know what I'm saying. They're doing their thing while they fixated

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and totally focused on the play ins
and giving previews and stuff. Hey man,

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the Baseline. You know, we
basically make rhythm to our own drums,

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right, We don't take the same
path as everybody else. And so

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obviously we had to throw in a
show that's definitely going to get the mind

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and the fan them perculating. This
is our coveted Baseline Awards show special where

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we get to dig in on the
type of awards we want to see handed

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out, and they will also you
know, dabble in with what we probably

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are going to predict to be the
regular NBA regular season awards that are going

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to be handed out by season's end. But as always, man, special

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shows call for special guests, and
who none better than to do this with

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than the ogs of it right,
the original trifecta, the tress Letches of

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basketball podcasting. Let me first go
ahead and roll out the red carpet to

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my right hand man's www. Dot
shaw Spot satin netpick bicker Hunapi and see

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my man, mister Warren Shaw,
rapping out of Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

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What's good Shaw? I know you
are totally geeked up for this episode.

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You know what it is, man, Year two of the baseline awards were

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coming out here firing on all cylinders, and as you alluded to, no

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disrespect through those out there are doing
the play and stuff. But so your

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content is going to be old and
right, she recorded. So we're trying

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to take a higher in different approach
for this joint and we got our man's

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back up in the building. So
excited, man, here you're two basedline

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awards and what a good friend.
Absolutely, man, and listen, who

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none better than to basically do this
show with. It's it's been a while,

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but my man has been cooking in
the pot like you know what I'm

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saying. I mean, he's been
coming up with succulent flavors for the for

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the basketball ears. And if you
haven't been checking him out lately, oh

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shame on you. But listen,
he needs no introduction quite honestly. I

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mean, his name and his fame
is taller than most even speak of.

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You know what I'm saying. They
should probably have a Marvel Book character ready

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to go for this dude right here, because you know, even the initials

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themselves as badass. But that's our
man, Jabari Davis. You know what

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I'm saying. If you have not
been catching him, man, he's been

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doing wonderful work with iHeartRadio, with
him and his his his his people's producing

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shows. Um, it's it's just
awesome again, man, to have our

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man's back on here in the fold. It's giving me the warm fuzzies.

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What's up, Jay? Hey?
I appreciate you. I appreciate both of

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you guys having me And let me
just say for the record, if they

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need to, you know, if
they need a Kang replacement, you know,

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give me a few months in the
gym. You know you'll put you'll

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put me on a program. We
can make this work. Now, I'm

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happy to be here, always,
always an honor to be here, you

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know, in the baseline with you
guys, and excited about this episode.

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Now, are you excited about the
episode because of what we're going to be

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discussing, or are you excited about
the episode because you just want to make

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sure that there's enough purple and gold? You know what I'm saying draped over

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in the background, you know what
I'm saying in the context of the conversation.

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I don't know. I just I
sense a theme in your neck of

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the woods there, buddy. I
mean, y'all know hard role. Man.

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I love the NBA at large,
but this is Lakers over here.

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Man. I grew up in the
year. I grew up in Los Angeles

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during the showtime Lakers. And that's
just a reminder for anybody that maybe didn't

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hear me when I was a you
know, an honored member of the year

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of this show. So it's always
going to be that. No look for

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fans. I'll just say this for
the record, we could celebrate just a

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little bit, man, Like this
was a rough season. This was a

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rough one. So even though I
don't know if they're going anywhere, I'm

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definitely gonna celebrate along the way.
I'm surprised you ain't got to bodily yacht

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right next like your man, like
your man, Shay Shayn't. I don't

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know anybody who who beyond it quite
like it's either you or Shay Shay.

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But y'all are two of my favorite
lakers. Okay, y'all can speak truth

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to it whenever you feel like it's
so, have at it if you will.

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But as always, man, we
really appreciate everybody for hopping on board

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with this this week. Um as
always be sure to get him my man

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Shawshaw spots NBA get at me a
game fasically the shows Twitter on the NBA

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baseline. Um you can also catch
my man Jabari. You know what I'm

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saying as well too is you know
he has just got a plethora of great

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shows and content on iHeart Radio.
Until we always encourage you guys to not

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obviously check out his fold. I
mean, if you're checking us out,

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you definitely checking out a manager Bari. He um he's he's He's one of

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the originators in this so we always
appreciate him taking the time to come out

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here and help us break down this
this episode Shaw, And I'm really excited

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about this because one, it's a
marker in the road with regards to you

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know, how we look at the
season, the regular season and its totality,

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and I think more importantly as well
too, just give us a little

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bit you know, opportunity, you
know what I'm saying, to kind of

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like take take you know, pull
take, let the hair out a little

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bit, you know what I'm saying, Relax, chill, have some fun

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with it, um, and really
touch on some things that obviously, the

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way that the NBA news cycle operates, there was not enough room or opportunity

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for us to be able to delve
into those things, um, and to

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be able to do it with great
friends and have great content about it.

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Well, you know, as I
said, man, it's it's it's that

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time of the year, um.
And there's a lot of highly debatable conversation

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when it comes to awards specifically.
Well for us, you know, we

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like to have fun, um,
and I think we had a lot of

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great, great fun last year and
kind of creating some of our own awards,

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so to bring in you know,
the distinguished you know, Jamari Davis

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to join us in that in that
conversation. This year should be a lot

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of fun for our fans and listeners, and we'd love to hear what people

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have to say, you know,
after the conversation that's taken place. So

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after you've tuned in and listen to
us for about an hour, you might

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like what we had to say,
and you might now, but we want

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to hear about our hour socialist to
let us know, get get out of

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us on Twitter and Instagram as well. All right, now, before we

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start getting into you know, the
way that we have the show laid out

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for our listeners, we're going to
get into the actual NBA awards first,

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right the who we are giving our
predictions that are going to be uh,

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you know, the trophies are going
to be handed out too, and then

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we'll delve into the baseline awards,
which obviously we are going to have so

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much fun having conversations, got some
lovely topics selected curated for your listening pleasure.

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So that's how we're going to basically
build things out before we do that,

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Jabari man, I know it's been
long overdue, you know for our

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people who really haven't had an opportunity
to keep up with you and all of

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the different projects you're doing. Talk
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your thing over there at my Heart. You know, what have you got

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on the docket? You know the
show's production where people can get at you.

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I want to make sure people know
who you are, what you're about,

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where you're at, everything and stuff
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there's not too often that you were
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this on this stuff, I would
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I'm always appreciative of the opportunity in
times when you do come on. Honestly,

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cal guys, I definitely appreciate it. I don't want to take up

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too much time with this. The
easiest way to find my stuff is Agibari

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Davis NBA on Twitter, uh if
any anywhere you get your podcasts, you

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can check out Miles and Jack Got
Mad Boosts. It's a hell of a

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lot of fun. It's a weekly
podcast for the league that's distributed through iHeart.

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We have all types of fun guests
on there. You know the man,

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the myth, the legend Warren Shaw
has been has been on there,

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you know, talking up y'all Celtics. Um, we may have we may

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have to find a way to get
you to get the entire your crew back,

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you know for the summer, especially
if you guys win it. Let

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you'll let y'all you know, talk
your talk a little bit. But either

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way, um, you know NBA
Finals file, you know, And we

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got a couple of the things in
the work that I can't necessarily get into,

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but definitely appreciate this opportunity absolutely.
So thank you once again for our

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listeners for supporting us. But as
always we encourage you to support our families

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as well too, and that includes
our man Jabari Davis. Be sure to

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get them at Twitter at Jabari Davis
NBA. All right, let's get right

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into it, shaw Jabari. Let's
start talking about who we think going to

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be getting those NBA awards. And
the first one that we're gonna kind of

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you know, sink our teeth into
is going to be the sixth Man the

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Year award. Um. But pretty
you know, pretty nice selection. I

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will have to say, I'm kind
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space. Maybe with the performances of
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different way that we approach and and
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award. But I'm gonna start with
you, Jabari. You know who do

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you have slated to walk away with
that award? Now, I appreciate it.

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I think all the main characters deserve
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they did for their respective teams.
So, you know, like I absolutely

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love what IQ brings in New York, what Norman Powell does for the Clippers,

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and obviously what you know Bobby Portis
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even though he's no longer in the
conversation, I was, I was

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ecstatic, you know that Russ he
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the conversation for a good portion of
the season as well. But ultimately,

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while I think everyone is deserving I
personally, and look for the record,

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the league does not give me your
awards picks. They know better, they

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know damn well better than to do
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I were picking out, would honestly
go with Malcolm brug didn't, uh,

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you know, at least from a
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steadiest and probably the most consistent over
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you know for you know, from
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you know, he's exactly what the
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I was there was a little bit
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I was hating on y'all. I'll
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when y'all when y'all got him to
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thought, man, that's exactly the
piece that they needed. And I think

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that he proved to be that,
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in, night out basis for your
Celtics. Yeah, I'll jump in and

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say, you know, and you
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we have Jabara, they end up
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start off with. This will be
no different. Unfortunately, I guess if

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you're looking for some dissension. My
problem with quickically not a problem, is

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that he started twenty games for the
Knicks, right Brogden could have started for

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Boston, but Mossoula kept him in
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played. Bobby Porters started a lot
of games for the Bucks as well too,

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to circumstance, So I'm not trying
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you're going through the true altruistic aspect
of what the award means, Brogden forty

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four percent from the three point line, you know, almost fifteen points per

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game, as the Jabbari alluded to
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the bench. So and again no
disrespect on those those guys too, but

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I think it's Brogden for sure.
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to disagree with you, guys.
I will those say I think the person

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who's going to come close system will
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And let's not make any bones about
this, had not had not Russell

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Westbrook, you know, come into
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of round out what the roster is
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the playoffs. You can make the
argument that the best player for the Los

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Angeles Clippers was Norman Powell, even
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on Paul George and Kawhi Leonard,
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right and they are the pillars of
the of the Clippers, the most consistent,

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dependable player that Tyron Lewis had in
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got from Russell Westbrook was the play
of normal Powell. You can kind of

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match up the numbers a little bit
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with Malcolm Broaden. The Clippers are
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I don't think that they get there
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exhibited for that team while they were
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So you know, again, I'm
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wouldn't be surprised if normal Powe snuck
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a much closer race than I think
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that Malcolm Brogden had performed through the
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maybe because of what he did in
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total body of work, that's the
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the sixth Man of the Year award. All right, let's go ahead and

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focus our attention to most clutch Player
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this one this year it will be
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the name Shaw, and you let
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walk away with this trophy. Daron
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Demarda Rosen. So at the end
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to is a lot of this is
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in the fourth quarter while Fox and
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that I think it's hard when Kyrie
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another, and now that team he
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Sacramento cannot win the Pacific Division.
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the first time in sixteen years without
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it's a runaway conversation to me,
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think has come on here, especially
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Sw I put a fox Man clutched
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what you got on it? You
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even your boy Kyrie, as you
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moment that he had, you know, but the fact that they didn't even

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make the postseason makes it difficult,
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there for me. The guy that's
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a huge part of what they do
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spectacular for them, And I couldn't
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is the best ability is availability.
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to the levels that the Sacramento Kings
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to spend time speaking about this whole
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that's the reason why I put the
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is availability, and dearon Fox not
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that because that was what was needed
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of season to have. And listen, I'll be remissed if if we even

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have this conversation guys and say,
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out, we're gonna be talking about
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Sacramento Kings, the conquerors. You
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simply because of what they were able
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with head coach Mike Brown. So
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My apologies. Sorry, all right, let's keep it moving. Most Improved

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Player of the Year our fitness Shaw's
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and Jabari is what the f category? So most Improved Player of the

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Year. Shay gillis, y Gilji
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Jalen Brunson, Tyrese Haliburton, Jabari. I'll have you started off, all

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right, So this one you know, I mean all awards, it's it's

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it's subject to like the interpretation of
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we were to go by the actual
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not been paying attention, but if
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in tune. But it's been job
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know, brandon Ingram, you know
Janie wanted a few years before that.

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that ascends to the all NBA level
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that would probably lend itself to SGA
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I wouldn't have any problem with that
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that. But say we were to
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of this award is, then it
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he you know, he you know, he's been in the league,

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you know, so like you know, taking nothing away from you know,

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from these other names, you know, but they're you know, they were

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more considered league average or still developing, uh to basically jumping to truly establishing

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themselves, establishing themselves as a force, and that, in my opinion,

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is along the lines of Jalen Brunson
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go with Laurie marketing, you know, and and and I think he absolutely

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deserves, you know, that love
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up going in that direction. But
for the sake of this show, give

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me Jalen Brunson for what he's done. You're here in New York. We

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knew that he was talented coming out
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thought he would, you know,
like, and we can all be honest,

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like, we don't have to be
we don't all have to be on

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saying like, oh, she told you

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told you. I don't think very
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to be the impact player as a
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one B or whatever you however you
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I don't think a lot of us
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I'd be again, I'd be lying
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the most improvement. So I will
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like I said, I think it
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if it went to SGA or Laurie
Market. Chaw. Do you want me

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to jump in or do you want
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Okay, So you said a mouthful
Jabari. I don't no, no,

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no, in a very good way
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I was going to emphasize. But
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and get that award. I'm like, stand on your principles, Jabbari.

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Jalen Brunson's gonna get the damn award, and you know what, he damn

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well deserves it. Right. There's
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is going to be kind of like
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but this is more of an intangible
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a direction that the NBA is gonna
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evaluate not only those that they are
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award, but also as as a
tool, as as a way to say,

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hey, this is why this person
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When I look at all of these
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are playing for and what they represent. Listen, SGA, by all standards,

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probably should have received Most Improved Player
of the Year like four years in

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a row. Okay, if we're
going he's like, he's like he's a

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he's a candidate like every single year, right, So I'm not at this

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particular point he should be more in
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which is so why this is farcical. But the reason why I would automatically

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give it to Jalen Brunton, while
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The reason why I give it to
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the New York Knicks in their inability
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you look at what Jalen Brunson did
as a Dallas Maverick playing next to Luca

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Docke. Can nobody tell me after
seeing what happened to Julius Randall the season

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previous to what he has given you
this season, and to what you've even

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seen from Jalen Brunson exponentially scoring the
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team a better team with literally the
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to argue, and I'm not taking
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the circumstances by which Jalen Brunson coming
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all of what he did and scoring
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to even legitimize the Knicks as a
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say definitely most approved. He could
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basically like most guys would come in. It's supposed to be the Garfa Knicks

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just tank. But ultimately we have
to give this guy his flowers. He

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basically made people second guess the idea
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to go after Mitchell Donovan and not
get Brunson would have been the greatest injustice

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for the New York Knicks as far
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putting together a contending basketball team.
Oh, you guys were great? Are

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we bringing the easter ham for you? Shaw? In some ways, you

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make me want to change my pick, but no, I will not.

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I think you're one thousand percent correct. I have to acknoledge that because those

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are great points. I think if
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and the numbers that we saw Brunson
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it's still about who did I not
see this ish coming from at all?

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And that's marketing. I'm sorry.
If you would have told me marketing

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it's gonna be twenty five and nine, I would say, get all the

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way the hell out of here,
even on a bad We're gonna give him

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a Legit award. But is he
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Okay, okay, okay, but
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all thought Colin Sexton was going to
come to Utah and cook. We were

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wrong. It was Laura Marking who
said, hold my beer, get the

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hell out of the way. This
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twenty five and nine from where he
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he had a good year in Cleveland
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or the final two years in Chicago. I'm just gonna I'm going that way.

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But your point about how Brunson has
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something and Uli and Julius Randall is
very very very well taken. So I

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couldn't be mad if Jillen Brunson got
the award as well. Good stuff.

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I love it, man, And
we haven't even gotten to our awards,

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you know the end. Listen,
hey, Silver, give us a call

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when you need somebody to to.
You know what I'm saying to tone exactly

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exactly, no hot lines here,
trust me, he would have. He

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would have walk me a long time
ago. But shout out to you know,

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shout out to that, to that
pig, you know, shout out

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to Lowrie Marketing being the first guy. If I'm not mistaken, I think

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I saw this on the timeline.
You know, two over two hundred threes

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and over one hundred ducks and they
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do that. That's and bretty and
pretty damn impressive too. That if if

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the I mean, if the Jazz
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know, he would have had to
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RB, so you know, shout
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One last thing though, I thought
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award to lose, honestly, especially
with him saying twenty and ten, and

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he more or less did that.
But you know, these performances by these

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other guys were just so impactful,
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or fourth. In this conversation,
absolutely your tune to the baseline, Callie

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Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of
the NBA, and we're doing our coveted

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NBA Baseline Awards, sprinkling in with
our predictions for the NBA Regular Season Awards,

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and along with us our special guest
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do with our Managebari Davis, So
be sure to check him out at Jabbar

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Davis NBAUM. Let's go ahead and
get right into the Defensive Player of the

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Year awards, So Brook Lopez,
Jaren Jackson, Junior bam Adebayo Shaw,

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let you go ahead and weigh in
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is hoisting that trophy? The media
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Um like, I think it's a
it's a done deal in that regard.

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I'm not an official member of the
media. So I don't care. I'm

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going with Brook Lopez. I think
he was just so consistent. And yes,

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while he doesn't average three blocks a
game, you know, like Jaren

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Jackson does or whatever what he does
do, he's always, always, we

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talked about this on the show at
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in defending it's just clearly like defending
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He's the lynchpin of what Milwaukee does. And they still have, be honest,

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you know, out there as a
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around defensively, but Lopez allows that
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and more synergetic. And while I
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he's been on our on our list
for a lot of a couple of different

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things, and we want for that
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special year. But to me,
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standpoint, is really really immense.
I'm going on Brook Lopez, all right.

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I'm gonna actually I'm actually pivot here. You mentioned that, you know,

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like the media wants to give you
know who you know, wants to

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give Triple J that award. It's
me, Hi, I'm the problem.

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It's me because I want I want
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looked straight up each of these guys
much like you know, any other categories

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that we've mentioned. You know,
they deserve that, they deserve all the

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love that they've received. And you
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Lopez has been absolutely spectacular, not
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is the lynchpin to you like,
to their schemes in on in most cases.

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because I was so impressed by the
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Within his game, the second and
third efforts, you know, the on

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shot contest, you know, as
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sides, offensive and defensive backboards.
I've never seen him be more, you

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know, more or even as consistent
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on the defensive end as well.
Now, again, you're right, it's

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not just a matter of the total
numbers. Yes, he did lead,

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you know, lead the league with
three blocks per game, but it's it's

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not it's not just a matter of
it's all right, So here's one for

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you. You know, like when
you're watching a game where you say,

407
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like, not all buckets are created
evenly or equally, or not all blocks

408
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or not all insert whatever you want
to say. The the level of impact

409
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that he has on his team,
especially when he's got it going on the

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defensive end, especially when he's got
it going on the backboards, I still

411
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think it's higher than everybody else.
And this is coming as someone that you

412
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know that has has you know,
sworn up and down that Anthony Davis is

413
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the most impactful player on the defensive
end when you really, you know,

414
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factor all these things. I think
Triple j has ascended to that level all

415
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over the court at all times whenever
he's on the court, and you know,

416
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to kel's usual point, availability is
the best ability. If I'm not

417
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mistaken. This is the second most
games played in his career and he's been

418
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fantastic throrout. So that's my somewhat
weak effort to say, let's give it

419
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the Triple Javis time. Yeah,
so I think we can collectively say Bama

420
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to Bayo is out of the picture
for the race, right. This is

421
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really between Brook Lopez and Jaren Jackson
Junior. I'm going to agree with you

422
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:23.440
jabari that Jaren Jackson Junior is going
to probably wind up getting this award.

423
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But I'm gonna say this in respect
of that, I don't think that when

424
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you actually look at the deeper metrics, what brook Lopez has brought to the

425
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table for the Milwaukee Bucks, to
me, would be more deserving of him

426
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being the Defensive Player of the Year. I will say this, right,

427
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:48.240
Jaren Jackson Jr. Has had more
wow moments than brook Lopez. But when

428
00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:51.720
you look at the numbers, when
you read in between the numbers and some

429
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numbers, for example, minutes on
the floor playing with playing you know,

430
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minutes played with foul trouble, how
much you want to bet that that brook

431
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:04.599
Lopez has been far more reliable and
has been better than that of what Jaren

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Jackson Junior represents. So what I'm
saying is is that Jaren Jackson Junior,

433
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for every one wild block he does, mitigates these type of metrics that I

434
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think in any other situation, in
any other circumstance, brook Lopez, if

435
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he is the person that everyone is
looking at and the focal point is on,

436
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:23.599
we would be talking about him be
Defensive Player of the Year. Oh

437
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:26.480
there's also one other thing that I'm
going to throw into this mix. This

438
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is what happens when you play next
to a dominant force like janisat to Kumpo,

439
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:36.519
he essentially ruins the game, right
Because where was it ever that we

440
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.960
said that brook Lopez could evolve in
being the defensive force that he is.

441
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.240
Everyone will still lean on Janni Santa
to Kumpo being the reason that the Milwaukee

442
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.000
Bucks is a top ten defensive team, a top ten defensive team. But

443
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:53.960
again, you look at the numbers, you read the metrics properly, brook

444
00:27:55.039 --> 00:28:00.160
Lopez is directly responsible to allow Jannis
to continue to ascend an MVP conversation,

445
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but more importantly, to maintain the
defensive proudness that the Milwaukee Bucks has shown

446
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.279
us, which is exactly the reason
why the Milwaukee Bucks will continually be a

447
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:15.359
contender as long as those two are
playing next to each other. It's remarkable

448
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:21.440
because you would think that brook Lopez's
game would regress as he's obviously getting older,

449
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and yet he has found another way
to reinvent himself. It may not

450
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matter in the grand context of things
when it comes to the defensive Player of

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the Year, but I do think
that and this will probably be the only

452
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year that he'll get this type of
consideration because this is not going to get

453
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replicated again. But I to me
personally think that this year, specifically,

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it really should go to brook Lopez
given what he has shown us as a

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player in that role, in that
position for that team. He held it

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00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:52.039
down and really again sneaky metrics I
think would wind up putting in any other

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year he would get it. But
Jaren Jackson Jr. Way too many while

458
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moments. You know, I'll say
this, it's not even in rebuttal,

459
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:06.200
it's actually in agreement with you about
brook Lopez in the extended conversation, do

460
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.440
you all remember what brook Lopez was
like when he was when he was a

461
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New Jersey net right, It's like
this is where his game is and and

462
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.960
look, guys can get smarter,
guys can get wiser about the game.

463
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:19.720
They you know, they continue to
work on things, which obviously has When

464
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.759
he added the deep ball, I
never saw that coming. When he added

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00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:27.640
being not just a defensive helper,
being a defensive stalworth, I didn't necessarily

466
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.680
see that coming. But honestly,
kudos to him and props to him.

467
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.839
I recognize that folks are like,
what does this have to do with the

468
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:36.440
award? It's really it was really
just a matter of like as soon as

469
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:37.960
you when you were breaking him down, it was like, you know what,

470
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.599
damn, that dude has had the
back half of his career is better

471
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.279
than the front. The front half
of his career, and not just because

472
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:48.559
of ultimate team success. He is
a significantly better player at this stage.

473
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:51.160
Yeah, I mean, he couldn't
have picked a better partner to to to

474
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:56.559
basically, you know, re redefine
his career as as one of And I'm

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gonna say this. I know that
we can have these kind of conversation later

476
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:02.680
on down the road, and I
know we got the MVP coming up in

477
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:04.519
a second, but I'm gonna say
this, man, we may have to

478
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:11.519
really start talking about brook Lopez being
one of the great centers in NBA history.

479
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.640
Not the greatest. I'm just saying
being in the conversation because that kind

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00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:21.000
of evolution does not happen overnight.
You know what I'm saying that what brook

481
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:26.200
Lopez came into the NBA being an
offensively blessed and a player to then go

482
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:33.000
to being more one of the more
defensively reliable players in the NBA speaks volumes,

483
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.559
you know, and his numbers are
going to measure up to a lot

484
00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:38.480
of other guys that are already in
the Hall of Fame. He's gonna be

485
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:41.839
a Hall of Famer, may not
be first ballot, may not be unanimous,

486
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:45.839
but he's gonna have numbers that are
going to speak to the fact that

487
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.680
he was one of the great centers
that played this game of basketball. And

488
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.960
this is one way that has surely
put him on that path to that conversation.

489
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:56.440
All right, guys, let's get
right into the MVP. Obviously,

490
00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:02.920
it's the three man race. Joel
MBI call the Yokis janisat Sukumbo Jabari.

491
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:04.599
I'll let you lead off on this
one. Who do you think voice in

492
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.480
that trophy? I'm gonna be straight
up with you, guys. I didn't

493
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.960
even do any notes for this one
because I, like most other people,

494
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.039
or like many other people, I
was so sick of the like some a

495
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.799
good portion of the conversation on this
one, you know, over the course

496
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:21.480
of the year. And it wasn't
simply because it wasn't because I don't like

497
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:25.920
debates. It wasn't because I don't
enjoy like these types of back and forth.

498
00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.039
It's because people started throwing dubs on
things and putting all types of things

499
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.680
into the conversation that had nothing to
do with the actual players out there.

500
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.079
So I will I will just say
this straight out. I think Nicola yokis

501
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.119
if he ultimately wins this award,
and I'm not hedging just to be clear,

502
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:44.160
but if he ultimately wins this award, I would not be upset because

503
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.759
I like, I think when people
are throwing out there like, well,

504
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:49.759
no one's ever done it three times
in a year, you know, three

505
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.200
times in a row, or or
not since nineteen eighty six or whatever the

506
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:56.240
case may be, I think that's
kind of bogus because that has nothing to

507
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.160
do with the actual impact, his
actual impact on his team this year.

508
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:05.359
Um, I do not think that
you can discount uh, you know pretty

509
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:07.000
much. You know, wire to
wire. You know, you're running the

510
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:12.440
West regardless of whether the rest is
fantastic. You know, I think that

511
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.559
should be celebrated. Now, I
say all of that to say, I

512
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:19.640
think Jannis is the best player in
the league. So it's difficult for me

513
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:22.599
to look at anybody else other than
that, especially when the Bucks have been

514
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:27.440
great Yannis two has been great.
Yes, you know, did he have

515
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.920
you know, a couple of ups
and downs over the course of the season

516
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.000
when it came to, you know, his scoring. Sure, but they

517
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:36.000
were still finding ways to win,
and specifically because not just you know,

518
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.359
not just do they have a great
team, because he can impact the game

519
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:43.440
on both sides of the court.
I've said all of that to say,

520
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:50.880
Joel Mbing is your MVP, and
you know why, because David he's been

521
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.359
great on both ends. But I
don't know, I don't I don't know

522
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:55.920
what to do anymore, Man,
What else more do I need to do?

523
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.799
I'm sorry to say exactly, exactly, always the bride made, never

524
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.400
the bride. When you know what, God dang it, we're gonna rectify

525
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:07.240
that this year. Give Joel embi
deady m V. I'm not even gonna

526
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:10.400
qualified that because I've already spoken too
long on the subject. Okay, four

527
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:16.680
love it, love it? Well, you know, I get to just

528
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:21.160
more or less re re reiterate what
Jabari has said, only from the from

529
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.440
the man mindset of Jabari was.
I mean, Joel was my preseason MVP,

530
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:28.599
and while he started off the year
a little bit rough, Um and

531
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:30.559
you started to wonder, always're gonna
miss too many games, etcetera, etcetera.

532
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:37.039
Skin with the new Skinnish, the
new rules and minimum sixty five games

533
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.759
for awards that takes place next year. Well, Joel play sixty six this

534
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:45.920
year, so we don't worry about
that. He's qualified. He's a league's

535
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:50.240
leading scorer. And we talk about
wold moments. He's had more wild moments

536
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.359
I think this year than anybody.
And while we talked about this on the

537
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.880
last show, he didn't win it
in this last week, as a lot

538
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:59.000
of people have been trying to say, just because of some more special performances,

539
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.160
it is a total of work.
There is some narrative here, but

540
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.720
similarly, can't be mad if if
Yo kich orianas win it, but to

541
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.320
me it's Joel Embid. Yeah,
I'm the only thing that I'm gonna I'm

542
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:14.320
gonna add to what you guys are
saying is look at the narratives to which

543
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:19.400
we would probably be selecting between yokich
and Embiid. While at Kumpo is rightfully

544
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.480
in this conversation, I think at
the end of it, he just didn't

545
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.480
do enough. There's still no question
if you ask me who the most dominant

546
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.559
player? And then get in the
NBA. In basketball, it's still yannist

547
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:31.599
to Tokompo. That doesn't necessarily mean
that he's the most valuable player. And

548
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:36.280
when I think about value, value
doesn't necessarily mean money. But think about

549
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.760
value like this, How more valuable
is the NBA with the Denver Nuggets being

550
00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:44.119
one of the top teams in the
Western Conference. How more valuable is the

551
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:49.360
NBA when a guy like Joel Embiid, who's basically been part of quote unquote

552
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:53.159
the process, loses a part of
the process where everyone thinks that he is

553
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:55.679
not ready to be a leader,
he's not ready to take the bull by

554
00:34:55.719 --> 00:35:00.239
the horns. Two years in a
row, he's basically watched that award being

555
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.360
given to another big and people say
that that big is actually better than Joel

556
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:08.239
Embiid. And then in this particular
stretch of the season where there are critical

557
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:12.320
moments where we're questioning if he's deserving
of it, he comes out and he

558
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:15.400
shines. He drops two fifty pieces. You know, he becomes arguably one

559
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:20.800
of the more dominant players in basketball, and he elevates the conversation about the

560
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.280
Philadelphia seventy six ers being a valuable
threat for this year's run to the NBA

561
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:29.239
Finals. To me, Joel Embiid, no question, I think is going

562
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:34.199
to wind up getting the MVP Award. But I will say that if not

563
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:38.800
for Nicola yokich the validity of Joel
Embiid getting this award, I don't know

564
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:45.239
if it happens because we're always saying
this is when Joel Embiid has to step

565
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.760
up. Joel Embiad has these tendencies
to flame out, Joel Embiid is too

566
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.480
burnt out, Joel Embiad suffers an
injury. This is not something that's just

567
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:57.159
happening out of thin air. This
has just been what we've seen happen over

568
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.119
the last few seasons during the course
of us trying to push him into the

569
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.840
MVP conversation. I think he finally
gets over the hump, but I'd be

570
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.920
remissed in not making sure that we
cautioned the tale a little bit by telling

571
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:14.519
people, Hey, it's not like
Nicola yoki did not push it to the

572
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:19.920
absolute limit, because he literally averaged
a triple double as a center in the

573
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.360
NBA, so you can imagine what
Joel Embiid had to do. In order

574
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:30.519
to leap frog himself to being the
number one guy. Well said, but

575
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.679
nine point eight assist he didn't get
to ten. Hey, do me a

576
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.039
favor, take that shoe and just
throw it at his head. Man.

577
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:43.679
On that famous Aunt dunk when he
went baseline, what was the shooting percentage

578
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.639
in that game? Warren say that
again? On that famous aunt dunk when

579
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.280
he went baseline on Walton, Now
be what was his shooting percentage in that

580
00:36:50.360 --> 00:37:00.199
game? Long off? You are
tuned to the basse, all right,

581
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:05.039
Kaylee warren Shaw and our special guest
Jabari Davis coming up. Now we get

582
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.599
into the good stuff. Baby.
We got the Baseline Awards, where we

583
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:14.039
basically have our rendition of the proper
awards that should be given out to this

584
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:16.559
game that we love watching the NBA. You don't want to miss out here

585
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:25.639
on the Baseline, we are back
Callie warren Shaw and our special guests Jabari

586
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:30.000
Davis. But he's really not a
guest. He's one of the ogs.

587
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:35.480
He's one of our people's. He
is helping us host the NBA Baseline,

588
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.880
the Baseline NBA Awards, which has
been long overdue. Can't wait for us

589
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:42.039
to get into it. Shaw if
I had drum rolls, I do them.

590
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.360
But you know what I'm saying,
we're pretty much live. We're working

591
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:49.000
with it, yeah, as we
go, so we'll just run with it.

592
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.719
There these times I kind of wish
like I had like Dougie Fresh,

593
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.800
you know, all Roseal, you
know you can really give us stamp it

594
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.840
up a little bit. All right, So let's get right into These are

595
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:07.400
the categories that have been curated by
the fam here the baseline boys. We

596
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.719
think that they should be implemented in
the NBA Regular Season Awards, but that's

597
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:17.239
another conversation for another day. Best
shit Talker. I'm glad Jabari is gonna

598
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:22.400
be our presenter of the award.
Jabari who is the best shit Talker of

599
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.639
the NBA? All Right, So
I love this award, guys, I

600
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:30.519
absolutely love it. I appreciate this
one. So if we're talking about the

601
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.840
best shit talker, this award really
belongs to Patrick Beverley. And here's the

602
00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.800
reason why on that because in Pat
it's kind of like the six Man of

603
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:44.960
the Year award back and beck in
the day, it was the Lou Wood

604
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.400
the lou Williams Award, and before
that it was the Jamal Crawford Award because

605
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.800
those men were built for the award. Anytime you're talking about shit talking in

606
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:57.920
the NBA, it's Pat Beverley,
whether it's taking the camera to the show,

607
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:00.719
you know the should the raffet that
you know the call at the end

608
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.840
of the Boston game, or claiming
you know that his goal was to keep

609
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:08.280
the Lakers out of the postseason and
damn near doing it, or too small

610
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:13.280
and lebron the very next time he
saw the Lakers. It has to be

611
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.880
that I don't really want to even
have a conversation. There's really nobody else

612
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:19.440
in the discussion. But if you
guys want to say somebody else, go

613
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:23.800
ahead and say somebody else. For
me, it's that Ben well done.

614
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:30.760
Nothing enough to say that bev in
a runaway and a slide in in an

615
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:36.679
absolute landslide. Awesome, awesome,
all right? Next, couldn't come up

616
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:43.360
on one, Steven? All right? Next? Next, none of your

617
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:49.199
awards? We got you best Bench
award. Of course Shaw would be the

618
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.000
one that would be presenting this.
Well, you know, I'm just trying

619
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.280
to be I can't following up.
Jabari is a little bit tougher, Steven,

620
00:39:55.320 --> 00:40:00.480
Ai You know, my apologies,
but got you award. So ironically,

621
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:02.880
you know, we're trying to take
this into the same vein of almost

622
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:05.760
like the sixth Man is it is. It gonna be the bench and the

623
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:07.480
scores the most. It's going to
be the bench that has the best net

624
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:12.480
rating. Um. Incidentally it's Phoenix
Suns if for those who who were wondering,

625
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.360
but they're not on my list,
indienda, I actually scored the most

626
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.599
amount of points this year off of
bench. That means their starters are probably

627
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:22.679
not that good. Um, So
I'm gonna actually go three three teams they're

628
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:24.079
gonna put into this clip, the
Clippers, Lakers, and Celtics, and

629
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:27.760
I've actually going with the Clippers.
I think what they did, especially at

630
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:30.400
the trade deadline to solidify that bench. Um, you had Norman Powe who

631
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:35.119
was actually the leading bench scored at
sixteen point sixteen point game. But you

632
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.199
got Bones Highland coming off that bench. You got probly coming off that bench.

633
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.920
This team is a man coming off
that bench. To me, they

634
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.239
are the deepest team where when those
when those starters go out, you're like,

635
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:49.039
ah snap, because you're going to
get just as almost just as much

636
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:51.760
as works as as as when the
starters were in there as well too so,

637
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:53.039
but shout to the Lakers, shout
to the Celtics as well too.

638
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.719
I think those are two very very
deep teams who do a lot with what

639
00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:59.599
they have on their bench roster.
But to me, the Clippers are the

640
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:04.519
best bench tough the bottom, especially
offensively and defensively. Nice one shot,

641
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:08.840
a nice one, any any rebuttal
mister Davis. No, it's tough to

642
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.039
Rebut because the Clippers, like,
I'll pull you right, I'll tell you

643
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:14.440
right now. If they still had
lukear Nords somehow, I mean, it

644
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:15.880
would be an embarrassment of riches.
But I would be saying, like,

645
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:19.320
damn, their second unit, it
might be as good, you know,

646
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.119
across the board. I'm talking about
yo, like average wise uh you know,

647
00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:24.559
to the you know, to their
starters. Cannot argue that at all.

648
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:30.679
Absolutely great choice. All right,
next up, gonna get award.

649
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:38.719
Clearly I'm gonna be the one that's
gonna have um so, no drum roll,

650
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.400
damn it, man, I just
really wish rise that was anyway for

651
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.719
the gone and get award. I'm
gonna give this to my man Ben Simmons.

652
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:52.320
I mean listen and look, there
are a couple of people who we

653
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:54.719
could have thrown up in there,
but they don't need to be named,

654
00:41:55.039 --> 00:42:01.800
right, They could be They could
be co conspirator, unidentified, you know,

655
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:06.320
number one, two, three,
whatever. Ben Simmons, you need

656
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.960
to call him out by his government
name. All right. This is let

657
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:15.199
me tell you something. I don't
want to accuse nobody of anything, but

658
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:21.679
this is clearly an individual who has
really just tapped out of playing the game

659
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.400
of basketball. And quite honestly,
and quite frankly, if I'm the Brooklyn

660
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:30.599
Nets, I'm good with that.
Hey, my man, take a vacation.

661
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:34.679
I'm saying, just just just take
the career off, all right,

662
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:44.119
because just simply just simply put man. It's one thing when a situation occurs

663
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.159
like what happened with Ben Simmons,
where we have been saying for the longest

664
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:50.119
time that he really should not be
the point guard of any basketball team.

665
00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:53.760
You can certainly utilize him because of
his unique skill set and his freakish athletic

666
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:59.679
ability, but he does not have
the temperament and the mentality, especially in

667
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:01.679
this in the NBA, not current
in BA, just in the NBA period

668
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:07.000
where he's going to be able to
lead other men to go out and execute

669
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.519
and compete and win basketball games.
It's very It's the same reason why Joel

670
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:15.639
Embiid, you know, felt some
kind of way. And it's clear that

671
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:19.880
Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and I
can't believe in putting that in the same

672
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:24.039
breath. Kyrie Irving and James Harden
to some degree, all never felt you

673
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:28.760
know, comfortable, you know,
with where his state of mind was going

674
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.719
to be about playing the game of
basketball. Clearly, to me, when

675
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:35.920
you look at the body of work, Ben Simmons has a personal agenda that

676
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:43.400
is counterintuitive, counterintuitive to any basketball
franchise that has a purpose and has you

677
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:45.440
know, a very strict line in
the saying about what they need to do.

678
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.440
He's gonna beat you know, he's
gonna do his own thing, and

679
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.840
I'm fine with that. But it
can't be at the expense you know,

680
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:57.239
of the Brooklyn Nets. It can't
be expensive any other basketball team except for

681
00:43:57.320 --> 00:43:59.719
anyone that's just got money to throw
around and say, you know what,

682
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:01.920
maybe we can use him, maybe
we can figure out a way to rehabilitate,

683
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:07.079
revitalize his career. But as far
as I'm concerned if he if he

684
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.840
if he doesn't play another game of
NBA basketball again, I'm not crying over

685
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.159
it. He then made enough money
that he can get off into other ventures

686
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.639
of his own. What I don't
want is him coming back and pulling the

687
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:22.079
nonsense that he's pulled over the last
couple of seasons and really not take the

688
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:28.079
time necessary to get his act together
to go out and compete and play basketball

689
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.920
like a lot of other guys that
have been trying to do to even get

690
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.920
an opportunity to play in this market
of the NBA. All I'm gonna say

691
00:44:35.079 --> 00:44:37.000
is, obviously we gotta jump.
But is I didn't expect for you to

692
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:42.440
put him out of the league,
So that is, But I think that

693
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:46.239
is. But he just said,
listen, this is my last year,

694
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:50.960
right, like, so well,
you know, at at least at least

695
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.239
you donnas knows, you know,
even though you know he's getting like all

696
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:57.679
of ninety five and everything being given
to him. But I'm just saying,

697
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.159
look, I'll just be quick about
it. I never thought we were going

698
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:06.719
to be here with Ben. Like
I after it all went down in Philly,

699
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:07.800
there was a part of me that
said, like maybe he's you know,

700
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.199
he's you know, maybe he's not
a star, but he's at least

701
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:15.000
still a serviceable guy that you know, that you can depend upon to run

702
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:17.719
an offense and you know, be
an effective high levels you know, an

703
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:21.440
interchangeable defender. Uh, you know, with a you know, with a

704
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:24.000
live body. But I wish that
I could argue with you, cal I

705
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:28.360
think that's where we are and people
and people will listen to this and say,

706
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.280
you guys are going way, you
know, way above and beyond.

707
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.000
He's only twenty six years old.
We've seen this before, We've seen this

708
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.639
movie, and the only thing missing
is that I don't want to be here

709
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:39.719
tweeting like that's the Do you know, do you know why we're at this

710
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:42.519
point? Again? I don't want
to believe it this because we got other

711
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:44.639
awards to get into, But do
you know why we're at this point?

712
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:50.119
At least I am you know what
most other guys with mental health with CTEs,

713
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.840
Guys like Calvin Johnson walked away from
the game at a relatively young age

714
00:45:53.920 --> 00:46:00.400
from playing football right a far more
violent sport, but recognize within himself how

715
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:06.159
short lived an opportunity he has,
how many opportunities has Ben had and has

716
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:09.599
been afforded himself to be able to
take time to do what he needs to

717
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:15.039
do for him to come back and
actually play the game of basketball right,

718
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:21.119
So how many more opportunities before he
recognized properly within himself that I'm not ready

719
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:24.519
to do this. So it's at
the expense of another team paying him money

720
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:29.679
to keep himself away to get right
to me, and just speaks more that

721
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:34.159
he's not taking enough time, he's
not taking enough consideration about what's necessary for

722
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.800
him. And again, I'm not
trying to be harsh, I'm just being

723
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.679
realistic. The purpose of this award
is saying, do I want to see

724
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:45.159
this dude out on the basketball court
come next season? I don't because unless

725
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:49.519
someone tells me differently, what the
Brooklyn Nets told us is they don't want

726
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.159
to see him on the basketball court
for the rest of this season. And

727
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.639
that's a problem. That's a big, big problem, especially with the way

728
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:59.599
that Brooklyn Nets have ended the season
and what they've got lined up playing in

729
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.800
the play offs. Why would we
want to be talking about Ben Simmons come

730
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:07.119
next year when you've got a promising
future with the talent that they've accumulated in

731
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:10.000
this and in the trade deadline.
I don't want Ben Simmons coming in and

732
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:14.599
then all of a sudden we got
this cloud of controversy hanging again. I

733
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:17.199
want to feel good about the Brooklyn
Nets moving forward. All right, let's

734
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:22.840
go right into the mcgiver Award.
I'm shocked by this because I thought Sean

735
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:27.679
would do this one. But Jabari, get out your your your your switchblade

736
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.760
brow show us how this is done. This is the player who does the

737
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:35.320
most at least, so I may
have a surprise for you guys here.

738
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.559
And I'll be honest with you.
When I saw this award category, I

739
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.639
said, all right, hold on
man, They said me up. Because

740
00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:45.199
this is in depended upon the conversation. This could very easily be Oh well,

741
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.320
are you saw you like the Austin
Reeves. Alice Crusoe, you know

742
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:53.480
you'll deal. I think you know, guys like Malcolm Brogden, you are

743
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:57.280
in the same type of conversation he's
not getting He's not getting two awards in

744
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:02.119
this deal here. There's a yeah, there's an obvious reason why I'm bringing

745
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:07.119
you know, I'm mixing it up
a little bit. But the answer to

746
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:12.840
this is Dylan Brooks. Love him
or hate or absolutely hate him. Talk

747
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.639
about the fact that he was thirty
nine, you know, under forty percent

748
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:19.519
from the floor, under thirty three
percent on six attempts a night from deep

749
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:23.000
all of that. You want to
discuss the fact that you know, excuse

750
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:27.199
me, hopefully you can cut that
out. You want to discuss the fact

751
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:30.480
that you know, if you don't
have him on your team, you probably

752
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.800
have a certain amount of contempt for
him. Yep, that's fine, I

753
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:38.360
understand that. But he's also a
starting, main contributor in a lot of

754
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:44.719
different ways to a very good Memphis
team that has shown such resiliency that I

755
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:50.239
quite frankly did not anticipate, especially
with everything they've had going on this year.

756
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:53.679
So for the first year. If
I'm not mistaken, on the baseline,

757
00:48:54.039 --> 00:49:00.960
Dylan Brooks, my Canadian brother in
christ is your it's your guy for

758
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:06.599
this award. I absolutely, I
absolutely love it. Uh. There's a

759
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:10.559
lot of obviously angst and and disdain
for mister Brooks out there, but not

760
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.199
here, not today. On the
baseline, you're doing the most with the

761
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:21.440
least, mister Brooks, and we
applaud you for it. Nice all right.

762
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:25.519
Next up, this looks good on
me, award. I really thought

763
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:30.440
that we were going to give that
to Dylan Brooks, especially when he had

764
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.239
this, especially when he had those
stone Cole Steve Auston moments. Okay,

765
00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.119
should not support that corny to me, And I'll admit I'm old. So

766
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:44.000
like I said that, I'm like, sit down and just go undercut somebody,

767
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:45.559
or do come on? Well,
I listen. First of all,

768
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:51.119
First of all, he he fft
it up with the shorts because yes,

769
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:55.480
because because stone Cole doon't be wearing
those those those all right, We're gonna

770
00:49:55.559 --> 00:50:04.920
keep this relatively pa. Yeah,
so all right, yeah, okay,

771
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:09.280
fair enough, all right, this
all right, this looks good on me.

772
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:14.119
Award best fit on a new team. This one is pretty close,

773
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:16.079
man, because I gotta look at
it in two ways. Shaw. If

774
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:21.679
we were we're determining this based on
who came on board from the beginning to

775
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.079
the end, then I was gonna
I would give it to Laurie market In,

776
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:29.079
you know, marketing. Just to
me, man, like, he

777
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:31.039
looked like he's built to play for
the New York for the Utah Jazz.

778
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:35.440
And I think Danny Ainge is like
God dang it, I didn't struck gold

779
00:50:35.559 --> 00:50:38.440
right like, he's just a happy
dude. Um, if he can replicate

780
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:42.800
this for the you know, for
the following season. But I'm also going

781
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:46.320
to give this award to Michal Bridges
for the Brooklyn Nets, given the circumstance

782
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:50.199
of what happened to him in Phoenix. And I don't think anybody saw this

783
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.960
coming from Micaal Bridges. I think
if the Brooklyn Nets got something, they

784
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:55.760
got a good two way player,
a guy who could probably get you,

785
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:02.079
you know, eighteen twenty points per
game. The offensive explosion that mcaal Bridges

786
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:06.360
basically exhibited since coming over to Brooklyn, and we can, you know,

787
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.800
talk about how he doesn't have any
other talent around him. He basically unsaid,

788
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:15.239
screw you, Devin, screw you
CP three, screw you DeAndre Ayton.

789
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:19.159
I could put the ball in the
basket about as good, if not

790
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.400
better than you dudes on any given
night, if given the opportunity, and

791
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.880
if that is the mentality that Michaal
Bridges is gonna exhibit, especially when we

792
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:30.800
talk about this about the playoffs.
Man, oh man, I'm talking about

793
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:35.400
looking good in Brooklyn. Man,
they might have to start coming up with

794
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:37.159
an album from Michal Bridges out there, boy, like you know, he

795
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.159
may be best, stayes finest by
the time that we finished this conversation,

796
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.400
I'm just gonna jump in real quick. I think that's an excellent pick.

797
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.960
Honestly, Bridges has looked like he
wants to be that dude. Bro,

798
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:52.880
he really wants to be that dude. Like seriously, he's hooping. And

799
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:57.119
they made they clearly made the right
decision by not moving him at the trade

800
00:51:57.159 --> 00:52:00.719
deadline and keeping him and utilizing him
as a building rock of what they're going

801
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:02.440
to do moving in the future.
Um, I think that's an excellent,

802
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:07.159
excellent pick here, mcel Bridges,
one thousand percent absolutely all right. Coming

803
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:09.719
up, we got a few more
that we obviously got to dig into,

804
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:15.719
including Glue Guy of the Year and
y'all must have forgot award, oh the

805
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:19.079
Robbin Award. Yeah we got.
I mean we got a Selentiney Awards to

806
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:22.840
get through. You don't want to
miss out. Keep us locked here on

807
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:35.920
the baseline. We are back Callie
warren Shaw and our special guests Jabari Davis

808
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:43.000
here doing the baseline NBA Awards as
we kind of delve into the categories that

809
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:49.559
we felt are best suited to honor
all of these great NBA players who basically

810
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.840
gave us a great NBA season,
so as we keep things moving along,

811
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:59.679
Shaw glue Guy of the Year,
who is your Elmer's of the NBA.

812
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:05.000
Ironically, at some point if we
we when we immortalize these awards and they

813
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:07.039
do get picked up by the NBA, it will actually be named after Jamond

814
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.719
green Um. I think he's probably
the quintessential glue guy. You know in

815
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:14.840
the NBA history, you know,
in a lot of ways. But for

816
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:15.400
me, you know, to kind
of keep it, keep it, keep

817
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:20.159
the conversation pushing. I really came
down to Jared Vanderbilt and Josh Hart.

818
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.400
Josh Hart really does a lot m
on the the intangible, is one of

819
00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:25.960
the better rebounding guards in the league. But to me, I'm going to

820
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:31.360
go with Vanderbilt. He helped keep
a Utah team together for for a good

821
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:37.440
part and then dramatically, I think
change the the energy we're getting going over

822
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:39.239
to the Lakers. So interesting when
you pick Bridges on the other half of

823
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:42.400
this as well as a guy who
played on two teams this year, I

824
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.880
think what Vanderbilt has done um just
by virtue of a guy who can defend

825
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.920
multiple positions, can not obviously not
a great offensive thread in any capacity,

826
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.199
but just does the dirty work man
and it really really is helpful and impactful

827
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:57.440
for teams, and doesn't complain about
his role. So Jared Vanderbilt, man

828
00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:01.119
who got of the Year? Any
second thoughts the Jabari, Yeah, I

829
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.480
can't argue with that. Look selfishly, you know that I was happy to

830
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.000
pick Vanderbilt because no, like,
like listen, thing, if you just

831
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:09.400
look at the numbers or the box
score on a given night with Jared Vanderbilt,

832
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:12.960
you're not going to necessarily be impressed. There are some where he'll put

833
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:15.719
crooked numbers up across the board,
but there there's a lot of nights where

834
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:16.880
it's like if you're just looking if
your box score, hund, you're not

835
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:21.199
going to see it. You actually
see the impact that he makes out there.

836
00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:23.079
Uh, you know, it's it's
difficult for me to argue with that.

837
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.480
I think, you know, the
same conversation could have been held for

838
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:29.199
you know, Josh Hart, you
know, being second half guys, Uh,

839
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:30.239
you know, like to have tremendous
impact, you know, kind of

840
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.840
alluding to which you know how you
delineated it earlier, Cal as well,

841
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.280
you know second as versus you know, full impact um. But you know,

842
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.239
I also like the point that you
made, you know, to start

843
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:45.960
this. This is a Draymond Green
Award. I cannot think of a better

844
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:51.119
or more solid absolute glue guy in
the history of the league. So if

845
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:52.199
they do it, if the NBA
does bring it in, they need they

846
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.800
need to credit you. And also
you know, name it after Dre.

847
00:54:55.840 --> 00:55:00.960
Hey, they must have forgot about
Dre. I listen to rest, I

848
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:07.039
think we'll look like we'd love to
forget about Drain all right. Coming the

849
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:12.440
next one is we I got next
award player who we think is gonna take

850
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.960
a massive leap next year? Jabari, Who do you have on dot docket?

851
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:17.800
So I actually have a few guys, and this is one of This

852
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:22.239
is actually one of my favorite categories. It's one of the things I miss

853
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:23.559
about you know, you know,
about your being on the baseline with you

854
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:27.760
guys, especially over the course of
the summer when we're kind of projecting and

855
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.199
we're you know, like who's got
next or who's gonna have at you know,

856
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:31.840
a bust out year. You know. So I actually have a few

857
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:36.360
guys. I think Austin Reeves.
I'm gonna get that one out the way

858
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:37.719
right off the bat, because if
you know, for one, I know

859
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:40.599
for a fact that there's a certain
percentage of your over your audience that's gonna

860
00:55:40.599 --> 00:55:43.480
say, what are you saying that? Because it's the Lakers guy. No,

861
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:45.039
go go watch the games that you
know the kid can play, you

862
00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:46.760
know, and I shouldn't go him
the kid. You know, he's in

863
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:49.719
his twenties whatever, but you know, I'm in my forties. So the

864
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.280
kids thought you were gonna I thought
you were gonna say the homie can play.

865
00:55:53.920 --> 00:56:00.039
You know, my dog, my
dog my Alabama or Arkansas dog.

866
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:05.119
No, So he's one of them. Another guy that I expect big things

867
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:07.760
out of next year. I expect
some growth. In particular, it's from

868
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.800
Trey Murphy the third Like, look, man, I will I will openly

869
00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.719
acknowledge that prior to you know,
like you know you're coming in, I

870
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:17.199
didn't. I didn't. I wasn't
familiar with you know, like you insert

871
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:21.559
the shack meme, I wasn't familiar
with your game. I must apologize or

872
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:24.920
whatever the case may be. My
man like what they have there with both

873
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:29.079
he and Herb Jones as a duo, as a tandem. You're like,

874
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:31.400
I'm actually a little bit scary,
you know, like, you know,

875
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:36.280
for them moving forward. But I
expect great things from him. He can

876
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:38.079
play both sides of the ball.
He's shown that he can explode from an

877
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:40.679
offensive perspective and if he gets hot
from deep, you know, you know,

878
00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:43.880
go ahead and watch out. So
I'm excited to see what, you

879
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:45.880
know, what he brings the table
moving forward. But the guy that I've

880
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:50.199
been caping for from the start is
the guy that I'm gonna end it with.

881
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:53.360
It's Big Al Shing Goon. Y'all
know, I love Big Al.

882
00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:57.519
I think that he's going to continue
to work, you know what, r

883
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.199
I p and not really rip,
but you know, shout out to gay

884
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:02.119
Steven Silas And I know he's not
going to be back. I wish him

885
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:06.320
the best and I hope he gets
another opportunity at this level in this league.

886
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:09.039
But moving forward, it I do
think it's going to be pretty clear

887
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:12.800
that Big Al is going to be
a part of what they do there in

888
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.400
Houston as they continue to develop.
Uh you know, you know, he

889
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:20.679
doesn't you know he's not gonna wow
you from an athleticism standpoint, but he'll

890
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.320
be honest with you. He's like
a great value baby Yokis. You remember

891
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:27.239
how Yokis played back in the day, with the footwork, with the balance,

892
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:29.800
with the you know pace, you
know, you know, you're kind

893
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:31.400
of catching you off guard, you
know, in different ways. Being able

894
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:34.679
to put the ball on the floor, being able to distribute, being able

895
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.079
to create for others as well as
himself. Finish around the rim with both

896
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:40.400
hands, finished in the key with
both hands, drop step over each shoulder.

897
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:44.840
I say all of that to say
I'm excited about Big al Shangoon.

898
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:47.360
So that is my trio. But
the name one is big al Right.

899
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:51.760
I'm a man's guy. You got
him on a pedestal, like, I'll

900
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:58.920
be sure. Man, o girl, you're gonna be in the next R

901
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.039
and B sensation, man, watch
watch out for that, all right?

902
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:07.000
Next up the Robin Award Best Second
Option, Shaw, who you have laid

903
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:10.239
out for that award? Man,
This is such an amazing, amazing conversation

904
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:13.400
to have. But again an interest
of time, will just kind of run

905
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:15.920
through the names. Drew Holiday is
not my guy, but Drew Holiday had

906
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:21.679
an amazing year with with with Chris
Middleton just being out what Drew was able

907
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:23.199
to do on both ends. You
know, he had a fifty piece you

908
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.880
know earlier this years, I don't
think as a season kind of closed out

909
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:30.880
and obviously what he does defensively really
really really stepped up as the true number

910
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:32.679
two this year when he really is
supposed to be, I guess the third

911
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:37.679
option for Milwaukee. But Anthony Davis, Jallen Brown, and James Harden.

912
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:42.760
I'm gonna go Anthony Davis had a
hell of a comeback season, but he's

913
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:45.039
not my pick. It's going to
be back to back years for our guy

914
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:49.079
out of Boston. Jallen Brown just
just too much. There were times where

915
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.719
he took over, and especially when
the Celtics struggled in the second half of

916
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:54.039
the season. Here with with Tatum
went unable to find him this shot.

917
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:58.039
Brown was that consistent, even with
the broken face. You know, I'm

918
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:01.320
playing with the Zoro mask. Jaylen
Brown out to me hooped hooped this year

919
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:05.239
and he may still not even make
an All the NBA team just from how

920
00:59:05.320 --> 00:59:07.880
deep things are, you know,
when trumps of the guards and forwards in

921
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:09.679
the wings. But general Brown to
me, man, he hooped his ass

922
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:13.880
off this year, but no disrespect
to Anthony David James Harden as well to

923
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:16.280
two amazing second options on two very
good basketball teams. You know, it's

924
00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:20.760
a little it's kind of ironic show
that the very next award that has to

925
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:23.920
be presented was the y'all must have
Forgot Award, in which our man Jabari

926
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:29.000
is going to get into. And
that type of award really could go either

927
00:59:29.079 --> 00:59:31.159
way right when you slice it,
when you think about someone like Jalen Brown.

928
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:35.320
But the purpose of this award is
comeback Player of the Year. While

929
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.920
Jalen Brown really doesn't need to be
a comeback Player of the Year. His

930
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:42.920
whole attitude this year, and especially
with everything that's circulating on whether or not

931
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.920
he wants to remain a Boston Celtic, he has basically been given people that

932
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:50.840
y'all must have forgot. I'm that
feff and dude, not just Jason Tatum

933
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:54.159
award. Right Like, so,
Jabari, you can speak to who you

934
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:58.079
have slated as y'all must have forgot. I'm just saying that if I had

935
00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.440
to give that award out, I'd
have been given it to Alon Brown.

936
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:04.320
Because he's making people damn well.
Remember there's a reason why the Boss and

937
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.079
Celtics made it to the NBA Finals
last year, and it wasn't just because

938
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:10.920
of Jason Tatum. And this year
he could very well be the quintessential reason

939
01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:15.119
why they may even be able to
repeat that same feat again. If they

940
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:19.480
don't, if they can't get that
type of contribution and play that Jaylen Brown

941
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:23.239
has exhibited all season long. Show
yeah, one percent, So it'll be

942
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:27.480
it'll be great. It's a great
conversation to have a lot of great options,

943
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:29.960
a lot of great players out there, but you know, not letting

944
01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:34.079
the Celtics fandom seep in here really
just really took took a holistic look at

945
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:36.639
it. Still played more games than
a D and everything like that as well

946
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.159
too. So but again Ad was
right up there for me. So I

947
01:00:39.199 --> 01:00:42.400
don't know if we're setting anything up
here, but we'll go ahead and do

948
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.199
the baton pass here to Jabari.
Y'all must have forgot come back player of

949
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:47.800
the year who you got JD.
So you would think I was going there,

950
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:51.519
but I am not. And one
thing I will say about Jaylen Brown,

951
01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:53.800
while he's not necessarily a y'all almost
forgot you know, candidate in my

952
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:57.559
book, I absolutely think he's been
the second you know, he's been the

953
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.559
best second guy. And the reason
why I say that, think about it

954
01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:02.039
like this, Bosson, While they
didn't end up with the best record,

955
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:06.199
they're still one of the best records
in the league. Jason Tatum never really

956
01:01:06.280 --> 01:01:08.960
actually had a chance for the MVP
conversation, and the fact and and and

957
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:13.800
that's not taking anything away from Jason
Tatum. What I'm saying is they get

958
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:16.079
so much from a guy like Jalen
Brown. They get so much from those

959
01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:21.159
other guys that Tatum didn't have to
exert himself and overextend himself over the course

960
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:23.039
of the regular season. And that's
testament to how great Jalen Brown is.

961
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:25.519
But if we're bringing it back to
this, I got two guys in mind

962
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:30.280
for this one as well. Fund
This is gonna be what's up cow.

963
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:37.039
Julius Randall finally has shown my big
adult son, has shown that he deserved

964
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.840
all of those needs, everything,
every last cent of those deals. I

965
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:44.400
look, I will take nothing away. And actually, you know, to

966
01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.000
your credit, cal you mentioned it
earlier, the impact of Jalen Brentson cannot

967
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:49.840
be I think it was you,
and if it was you, Warren and

968
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.079
I took to be a juke York
credit by the impact of Jalen Brnson cannot

969
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.360
be denied. When it comes to
Julius Julius Randall, uh, you know,

970
01:01:55.599 --> 01:02:00.559
returning to form. So I don't
want to I don't want to make

971
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:01.840
it all about like, oh,
well, you just flipped the switch.

972
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:06.480
I think he's in a better spot
right now. He has a running mate

973
01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:09.199
right now. He has running mates
right now, so that's fantastic. Much

974
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:13.440
like the other guy and the guy
that I ultimately would give the award too,

975
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:17.000
but it's a little bit different because
I did not think that this man

976
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:22.599
had this in him. I thought
he had gain left, but I didn't

977
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:25.800
know how much. It's James Harden. I have to give it to Big

978
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:30.679
Jim Harden. You deserve your flowers. You know, we're not talking about

979
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:32.400
the postseason. We're not talking about
you turning into your terrya turn into a

980
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:36.039
pumpkin in the biggest moment of the
post season. We're talking about what you

981
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:38.079
did, of course, of this
regular season, and you absolutely deserve it

982
01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:42.159
as much as much love. If
I was given as we have all given

983
01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:45.719
to Embid over the course of this
conversation, I still think you also have

984
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:47.440
to circle back and say, you
know what, dammit, James Harden was

985
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:52.559
fantastic for his role in what he
was asked to do. He was spectacular.

986
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:57.039
So he is my y'all must have
got comeback Player of the Year for

987
01:02:57.199 --> 01:03:00.199
this. All right, I'm gonna
throw something in real quick with what you're

988
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:04.599
saying, Jabari. Let's keep in
mind that if James Harden does not play

989
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.719
the majority of the games that he
plays, we don't know what version of

990
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:10.719
Joel Embid we would need to see
that we would be seeing on the back

991
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:15.440
end on the back end of this
regular season, right because the knock on

992
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:19.360
Joel Embid is that he's flamed out
because of the burden that he's had to

993
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:23.719
shoulder carrying the basketball team new midway
point, when the team is struggling and

994
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:28.920
gone through extensive losing streaks. This
is actually the first time that we've seen

995
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:34.280
Joel Embiid actually play with a level
of pace and dominance of how he plays

996
01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:37.480
the game, and I think a
lot of that can be contributed to the

997
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:42.760
health and to the resurgence of James
Harden, you know, being a contributor

998
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.840
and really just basically saying, y'all
must have forgotten I can still you know

999
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:52.039
what I'm saying, to step these
emofos to death. It's basically what he's

1000
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:55.119
saying. So let it. Let
it not be overlooked. James Harden's value

1001
01:03:55.159 --> 01:04:00.719
to the Philadelphia seventy six ers again
has made them a lethal combination to make

1002
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.960
a run for the Eastern Conference.
Finally, we got the last award to

1003
01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:10.400
throw out there. This one is
the MVP BT. I mean, of

1004
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:13.239
course we're gonna put some extra letters
in an MVP, you know, it's

1005
01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:17.960
just that's what we do. But
the MVPBT most Valuable Player on a bad

1006
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:28.159
team, it's dame time. All
right. Look listen, this one's a

1007
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:30.599
no brainer. Maybe like last year
where we had a couple of people we

1008
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:35.119
can speak to these things. It's
hard to put it on the Detroit Pistons,

1009
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:38.880
they didn't have Kay Cunningham. You
really can't put it on the Atlanta

1010
01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:42.960
Magine. Actually, you actually have
a promising future the Washington Wizards. Actually

1011
01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:45.440
we're in the playing picture all the
way up until like maybe the last week

1012
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:50.280
and a half of the season.
The Charlotte Hornets is the Charlotte Hornets.

1013
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:56.920
I mean, what more can be
said? You basically saw the Portland Trailblazers

1014
01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:01.119
look like a team that wanted to
compete. They had some flashes, but

1015
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:04.079
then when you really look at that
roster and you really looked at what they

1016
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:09.480
were working with, you just say
to yourself, if Damian Lillard is not

1017
01:05:09.639 --> 01:05:14.159
on this team, how bad would
this Portland Trailblazer team really be? And

1018
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:18.000
minus Anthony Simons is this really would
not be that great of a basketball team.

1019
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:21.199
They'll be decent. You may even
make the argument they'll be competitive,

1020
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:26.159
but I guarantee you that those thirty
three wins that they already have right now

1021
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:30.280
very hard to come by if they
don't have a Damian Lillard. So listen,

1022
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.800
Damian Lillard has proven, without a
shadow of it out that the Portland

1023
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:40.360
Trailblazers need to basically go find him
another landing spot because it's not good for

1024
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:45.320
his career and it's definitely not good
for the Portland Trailblazers. If these two

1025
01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:51.480
guys are still simpatico with each other, something miraculous has to happen to change

1026
01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:57.679
that narrative. But when you look
at this team, the Portland Trailblazers basically

1027
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:02.920
looks like Thanos when he snaps his
fingers. The rest of everyone else's existence

1028
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:08.639
as being viable NBA players and you
know, legitimate players and guys you may

1029
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:13.119
consider moving or whatever the case may
be, suddenly just disappears when on their

1030
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:15.920
rosters and just it's it's amazing,
But that's just how damn good Damian Lillard

1031
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:19.320
is. That doesn't necessarily mean that
as a beautiful thing. That only just

1032
01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:24.920
highlights just how great Damian Lillard kind
of was when he was healthy and before

1033
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:28.960
they decided to shut him down.
Yeah, the only verbot I have,

1034
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:31.320
I guess, is depending on how
bad you think the Dallas Mavericks are,

1035
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:35.920
because they also didn't didn't make the
playoffs. Um, but I think I

1036
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:39.920
looked at this, looked at Portland's
roster and thought they had no chance.

1037
01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:43.000
Thought I was gonna be proven wrong. Even flipped and said, hey,

1038
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:45.800
well, Dame seems going to be
dragging them into the play and kicking and

1039
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:47.599
screaming. Then they had a couple
of ls and they're like, yeah,

1040
01:06:47.639 --> 01:06:51.719
you know what, Tank time,
So which ended Dame time. Unfortunately.

1041
01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:55.480
So I think this is a great
pick, maybe the most obvious of them

1042
01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:58.599
as well too, Jabari. Any
closing thoughts, I mean, it's really

1043
01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:00.360
just simple we kind of discuss just
before the show. For me, with

1044
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:02.960
them, they've been in a rebuild
for what feels like five years. And

1045
01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:08.159
that's not an exaggeration, that's not
hyperbole. They've literally been oh eight,

1046
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:09.840
you know, next year, we're
gonna do this, and you know,

1047
01:07:10.239 --> 01:07:12.960
you know, you know, Dame
still great, and hey, Dave is

1048
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.440
fantastic days one of my favorite players
in the league, straight up like like

1049
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:19.800
like no qualifiers when it comes to
that um And I do respect the fact

1050
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:23.119
that, you know, he's a
grinded out guy. I respect the fact

1051
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:25.119
that, you know, like Portland, they continue to say, we're just

1052
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:28.920
gonna keep we will find a way
as at a certain point, I would

1053
01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:32.679
like to see Damian Lillard play um
meaningful basketball in the postseason at least one

1054
01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:35.239
more time. And that's pretty pretty
much all that come. Yeah, and

1055
01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:40.079
I will just say this, you
don't want to what really makes this look

1056
01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:45.800
bad for the Portland Trailblazers. Danny
Ainge goes to Utah and he completely guts

1057
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:51.519
that basketball team, and yet their
team was what a game or two from

1058
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:56.400
possibly being in a play in you
know what I mean? Like that speaks

1059
01:07:56.440 --> 01:08:01.280
more to the Portland Trailblazer organization and
what they're doing, um as it pertains

1060
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:06.119
to how they are utilizing Damian Lillard
and how they're building around Damian Little.

1061
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:09.760
And that's the reason why I think
now is the time that you really have

1062
01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:14.760
to reconsider this process that you're going
through because Damian Lillard is not gonna is

1063
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:15.479
not gonna want to do it,
and it doesn't need to do it.

1064
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:20.439
But for the sanctity of us watching
the greatness of Damian Lillard, you need

1065
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:28.880
to move them. What I'm hearing, got it, and I'd be hearing

1066
01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:32.840
Danny Ainge we get We'll get out
man, Tony Jones on it. He

1067
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:39.479
owes, he knows. You know
what I'm saying. Absolutely, this has

1068
01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:45.720
been an awesome show. Oh my
god, it's been awesome. Um we

1069
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:48.199
probably have to do another award show, like, you know, maybe for

1070
01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:51.800
the maybe for the NBA playoffs,
just for the sake of getting Jabari on

1071
01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:58.800
here. Because I love shows like
these. Let me know, I'm definitely

1072
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:00.159
a lot of fun man. Yeah, I hope our fence listeners can can

1073
01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:02.479
tap in with us, let us
know, and we always want to know

1074
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:06.199
what some awards would you think of
and maybe make those make those suggestions to

1075
01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:11.079
us as well too, so maybe
we can institute them for the playoff time

1076
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:13.159
as well. But this was a
lot, a lot of fun, as

1077
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:15.920
we alluded to, we didn't I
hope we didn't over promise an under deliver.

1078
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:18.279
I know I had a good time
with my brother's man. So definitely

1079
01:09:18.319 --> 01:09:21.039
tap in here with the baseline awards
you a year after year. Absolutely,

1080
01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:25.520
once again we like to thank you
and yours for hopping on board with us

1081
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:29.720
this week for the baseline. Callie
warren Shaw, our man Jabari Davis,

1082
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.199
we appreciate you guys, enjoy the
play in and the playoffs, and we'll

1083
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:34.680
catch up with you next time