WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.360 --> 00:00:07.200 Hey, good evening everyone. Wherever you're listening from Lagos, abujaa New York, 2 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:12.599 wherever you're listening from, Welcome to the spaces with me Klu. This 3 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:16.440 is the money space with me and over in the next two or three hours, 4 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:20.559 we're going to be talking money, the economy, finance. How do 5 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:25.640 those topics affect your wallet? Won't make it personal to you. Want to 6 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:32.840 educate as well as oblip leave you better off when you came in. Today, 7 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:37.520 we have she said, a special edition. I have the guys from 8 00:00:37.799 --> 00:00:45.320 a budgeted and if you know them Budgeted and Tracker. They've been doing excellent 9 00:00:45.520 --> 00:00:51.640 work in Nigerian public space, tracking where your money, your tax money is 10 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:57.119 going to giving you be good in fut graphics, what the government, what 11 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:03.240 the subnationals, what the local governments are doing with your money. I follow 12 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:04.879 them and if you guys listen to me, I always say follow Tracker. 13 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:08.079 They're here on the space. You can see them right there. Follow them. 14 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:15.480 What they do is they go in and they allocations made by the governments 15 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:19.439 to sub national to the federal government and they track it to the actual implementation 16 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:25.480 stage. Has it been done, Where did the money go to? What 17 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:29.680 has happened so far. That's what they do. So that's just your own 18 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:37.480 way of putting pressure right and ensuring that the tact that you're paying is judiciously 19 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.359 use. You know, we currently do complaints. You know, complaints are 20 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:47.680 just hot air and we someone might not want to go out the streets. 21 00:01:47.760 --> 00:01:52.319 I get it. But when you look at folks like Tracker, they're doing 22 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:56.480 the job for you and all they want from you is to spread the information. 23 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:04.799 If more tax spenders know that when a budget is passed, the ordinary 24 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:09.159 line is going to track the implementation, there's going to be better commitments to 25 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:15.560 invest that money appropriately. So the least you can do, guys is to 26 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:20.639 follow them, retweet, also help them. If you live in the local 27 00:02:20.680 --> 00:02:23.240 government and it's the project there, go and take pictures and send to them 28 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:27.960 and say, hey, this is my local government. This project was appropriate 29 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:31.680 in the budget. It hasn't been done. That's your own way of being 30 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:37.639 Susan. I've got mistablished to go as a listener. I've also got Tracker 31 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.159 as a listener. I really want to get them on board to the space. 32 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:44.759 So guys, best request to speak, I'll add you. We can 33 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:47.400 do our introductions and we can get right onto the top of the day. 34 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:53.199 We're talking the State of the State report. If you just go on my 35 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:58.840 handle, I posted the link to the report. Also go to budget its 36 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:05.199 handle you can also get the link to the report as well. It's very 37 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:12.240 detailed, lots of infographic talking about health I g r GDP, how the 38 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:16.240 states are essentially do it and I like it because it's subnational. We most 39 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:20.759 of times tend to focus on the federal government, right, but this is 40 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:24.479 subnational, so we're also focusing on the states per se. Right, what 41 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:30.360 are the states doing with the funds? That's essentially why I want to bring 42 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:34.599 them in for us to talk. I essentially know what's happening in our own 43 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:39.000 states. So's say, Lucia will serve about that. Let me have you 44 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:44.719 just owe me to use yourself tell us about budget it and tracker and don't 45 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.560 want to take it from there. Welcome sir, Thank you so much, 46 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:53.759 and thanks so much for doing this. Really excited that active citizens, private 47 00:03:53.800 --> 00:04:02.520 citizen and take the initiative and the primacy and importance to our work and we 48 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:10.240 use their space and their platforms to distribute it effectively. I will just share 49 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:14.000 a little bit about budgets. A few people here might not at our house, 50 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:16.879 and people you might not even know about us. But we started twenty 51 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:24.360 levels measures that we're learning from around twelve years focused on civic engagement, physical 52 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:30.959 accountability, public sector efficiency. These three click our elements of our work. 53 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:36.480 Our work is to engage disease and ensuring that have the required information to work 54 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:42.360 over and accountable. Is to show them a part of physical accountability, which 55 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:46.600 means they can be the most using information that we about here that being able 56 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:50.000 to do to go over the accounts. And so this should efficiency we create 57 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:59.519 about the public resources. Most efficiency spends that would require CISS because significant demands 58 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:05.879 of that system we have worked. We work in five key areas. One 59 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:11.519 is budget access and research and anybody that knows about budget chunk of that we 60 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.319 work on public projects. That's like a major goal, that's our major role. 61 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:20.160 We also work on service liby management, which is tracker ensuring that road, 62 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:26.480 schools, hospitals, clinics, whatever is built and trap that to the 63 00:05:26.680 --> 00:05:30.600 end and constantly bringing it into the awareness of public servants. Our third is 64 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:36.639 a natural resource governance and private financing, which we just reworked. Still resent 65 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:43.800 so We also care about funds and doing NPC considerate on private privating goods as 66 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:47.920 we know. Then we also work private financing as a team make sure that 67 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:53.319 funds are accountable in our regard. The fourth part of our work is focused 68 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:57.720 on strengthening the health systems. We care a lot about healthcare, so we 69 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:02.439 build a platform called PC Track Adu Whole that I would share the links all 70 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:11.000 of these platforms as we go along the way. So PT we created this 71 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:17.879 platform to build conversation as much as possible around the pro primari of the system. 72 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:24.240 And the last part decision engagement super governments some governments that we think going 73 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:29.480 to be efficient and one before looking we help them to improve their work and 74 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:32.360 engagement with citizens. So that's gonna be sormary. We have our faces not 75 00:06:32.439 --> 00:06:41.480 just in Nigeria, gardens, librarians, Senega also a small output West international 76 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:47.519 team soa too. Just the quick one for you, right, is what 77 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:49.759 you guys do in the other countries. It is the thing that you do 78 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:53.199 in Nigeria, Like if you're in Senegas, it's the same thing you do 79 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:56.879 there, like you track the governments first, almost the same thing or is 80 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:05.120 different? Do you remember Mary. For so most of the other countries it's 81 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:11.279 three years and so we just we we take it all year to understand the 82 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.279 space. So we don't do program for a year, we try and do 83 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:19.600 something citizens engagement and weather's aby. But we're still doing that in Senegal and 84 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:26.959 in US correctly, I'm super in Ghana for osmoland healthcare and natural a results 85 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:31.959 confidence. In Libraria, it's gonna health care and public projects, whereas in 86 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:40.439 see we're certain watch running the uses. And so it's not what fit size 87 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:48.399 approach gotcha? What about just gonna common air or on track? I mean 88 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:51.680 I'm a big fan, like I said, I mean the hugish fan. 89 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.040 I mean, that's a story I can tell I who want to say where 90 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:58.000 it does. A particular guy was the legal state where he would go and 91 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:03.639 print out what his loocal government got on allocation because it's all right, he 92 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.439 can print it out and he will go and pace that allocation all over look 93 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.160 at good men, and after I do a first laugh at him, after 94 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:16.360 I pull that way to this guy gets in one hundred million a month or 95 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:18.879 one hundred of a month, they put her to ask questions. He got 96 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.519 to the stage where lookal man will be like, hey, go ahead and 97 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:24.439 fix this road. Then you have to come and cause trouble here. Just 98 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:30.839 the simple act of printing out the allocation. See these things work. Don't 99 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.000 treve away and say to never work with wasting our time. It worked to 100 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.559 hold you to the account with data, which is what track is doing. 101 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.200 The track's come on here, use yourself. Just let us know what you 102 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:50.399 do as well. My name is currently that track car. Thank you so 103 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:58.720 much. You did so we see you talk about our work. Thank you 104 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:03.519 so much, and I agree with what you say. We recently wearing there 105 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:11.360 was a guy from Cano that told us that he knew a guy personally who 106 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:16.159 was who used to criticize the government in Canoe and do all the criticisms and 107 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:20.679 they not pay attention to him. But once he signed up. Instead they're 108 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.399 using the FA advocations that his goa government was getting. I think it was 109 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:31.960 Surrealdy decided to say that he was using numbers that figures to back up what 110 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.639 he's saying, and what he was saying was true. And they had to 111 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:37.840 call him much as I do, and I called him that, come you 112 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:41.960 this one, what are you talking about? What exactly do you want us 113 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:46.759 to do for you and will add you to one of this environment broke beneficial. 114 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.360 So it's one of those things where you say that people think that oh, 115 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:56.320 there's the governments to score up everything as there's nothing we can do, 116 00:09:56.960 --> 00:10:01.120 but actually did this and we say that politicalpus. They're online, whether you 117 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:05.000 want to use online or offline and books, they're line, they're seen and 118 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:09.039 when they see that, you're not just shouting oh they are still o money 119 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:13.600 their courage. You are using data and figures you have, You're using facts 120 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:18.159 to back up what you're saying. They start to pick interest and sometimes it's 121 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:22.559 a it's a long it's a journey that takes a I like to say it's 122 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.360 the journey, not it's a match or not disperence. So it does not 123 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.039 mean that way you talk today to change. But they start listening and they 124 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.960 start knowing that somebody is monitoring them, and so it forms the besom of 125 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:39.759 your decisions with many rooms where they will be like somebody called us for our 126 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:45.440 agency and we're like, they receive their letter, they will like us to 127 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:48.679 cover. They will give us all the information we want because we have been 128 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:52.519 seeing you online or the way you have been attacking dispeople dont to do comman 129 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:58.000 attackers, and so we say that it's if it's more like a class action 130 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:05.799 from cities. Everybody is putting the yeah, yeah and for the yeah and 131 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.960 every day we're way to get the government to listen to us more and equally, 132 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:11.799 if it's only ten percent of what we're asking them to do, their 133 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:18.919 name too, that is going to go a long way for us moving like 134 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:24.200 that. Well said yeah, well said I will. We all have to 135 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:26.519 do something I can, and I know many folks complain, but they don't 136 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.159 want to go out. I get it, you know, But just follow 137 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:35.480 tracker see the project that they are tracking. Retweeted that's it. If you 138 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:37.480 have a local government or you see your road, it's not being done. 139 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.679 Take a picture, send to them. Go to your budget, pull off 140 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:46.679 what the governments are going to invest in. Track that project yourself in your 141 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.720 own local government. Take a picture. Send It works, guys, it 142 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.000 does work. So let's complain small action put their feet to the fire. 143 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.120 It does work. But should let me come back to you. Let's talk 144 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:03.080 about the State of the States Report. What's it all about? Highlighted? 145 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.080 What are you guys trying to achieve the report, and how long had the 146 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.600 guys on this report and are you actually getting traction with what you're achieved when 147 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:16.120 you published the first one? All right, maybe i'll beg that you is 148 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:24.080 a guy and the part of the listeners is incosent. Maybe look for him 149 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.519 and maybe she requests because our head always searched, and I'm sure he will 150 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:35.919 be justice than me, but I can get a little bit of Around fifteen 151 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.519 as well, we started to work on state up states and it was clair 152 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:45.799 towards then prepared to was simple. There was a challenge in getting state budgets 153 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:50.919 stated back then it went for the album of our staff arrested in trying to 154 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:56.720 get state budgets. I think it was in down to the state. And 155 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.399 so whenever we ask questions about budgets, people just don't want to ask house. 156 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.600 So we said, okay, since we don't have still budgets, we 157 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:09.080 who start at least starts a physical performance rating to check what is the viability 158 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.759 of a state when we be seeing we look at the states, are we 159 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:16.679 studying that that state has the financial almost so just we signed shocks or what 160 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:22.039 are vulnerabilities of the state and look at the physical terms like budgets, IDR, 161 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:26.879 revenue, spendature. We're spending so much, we spend too small. 162 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:31.080 I wasn't quality of their spaying. So we sat in twenty and fifteen so 163 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:35.840 put it with the by Gates Foundation to been back in US since then and 164 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.840 the work has been simple brand seats and the physical health and performance of states. 165 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:46.200 And we've seen between the methodologists at least I from the iterational about metallology 166 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:52.440 we were and World Bank and the World Bank we work on validating the metadology 167 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:56.240 together. So we go to the old the Borough process of ensuring that mythologist 168 00:13:56.320 --> 00:14:01.320 is so. So that's the second part of the work. And the interesting 169 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.200 part is that we've had issues. We stayed but I remember the state of 170 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:09.159 stay for the last year there was a government in southwest maybe distaclosess videos and 171 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.919 he went on a hun. It filled us on the IDR figures and we're 172 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:18.639 just saying that we didn't implore an IDR figure from the head. We used 173 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.799 what you have in your statements. I mean you could declay anything to the 174 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.519 NBS, but we were working with World Vehicle was in your O detailed report. 175 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:31.000 So we've had it stays commending us taking like a badge of fun or 176 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.840 something that's push back and like else that this does not represent fact what we 177 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:37.399 said. This is our methodology and this is what we do. And I 178 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:43.080 think in the old purpose is that it was it was more and more important, 179 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:48.559 it was more useful when the OI price shops happened in twenty fifteen. 180 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:54.960 I mean it was already sharp after literally forteing thing became everything pronounced and states 181 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.080 now felt in a lot of states, I mean twenty four out of Telsey 182 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:03.519 states and not able to be startares for a period of six months. So 183 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:09.559 it was clear that state ability is a big issue. So national physical health 184 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:13.840 is a piggish in the country. The further government and princes we are out 185 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:18.039 of busical boris we have business a sovereign or states have limited the patulities in 186 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:26.159 the winness. And in recent times it's the performance who tells this. You 187 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:31.960 know, the most excellent deb will be reprised with the valuable which remodized, 188 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:35.320 expenstance being evaluated and some other insights like that. But I think the best 189 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:39.000 person that would give an insight well in the state of states in a who 190 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:43.320 sent who's ahead of research and it's right here, so it's got the flow, 191 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:46.559 the mandate, go for it. And he talked to us about this 192 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:50.240 reports. Right, what you we look at? Why is it important? 193 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:56.759 It starts off with physical sustainability? What does that actually mean? All right? 194 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:00.720 Cool? But I think we also be on the report itself. We 195 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:07.720 also also do thematic analysis. So over the years we've looked at experts report 196 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.159 what it is. It's sad that I'm broken down ways to stay too in 197 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.559 terms of expert what that state probility is. In terms of investing in health, 198 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:19.720 we've looked at productivity about state. We took at operational costs of state. 199 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:22.679 So beyond those to the ranking. That's what we have like to to 200 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:29.399 an eight hundred world peace and every state, because we also dive everything to 201 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.639 what exactly we should be looking at. This year was about investment in health 202 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:38.600 and that was the tally for national productivity and leave all right, thanks so 203 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:47.120 much. I asked that white health. But if thanks mister, I mean 204 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:53.320 fortuation. I mean a man, Avery blew out your work on Twitter around 205 00:16:53.440 --> 00:17:00.000 you know, finance, and I'm happy to participate and also speak. I 206 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:07.799 know earlier on the show, I've spoken about the days of state or states 207 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:11.880 where it was difficult for us to get actual data to work with, and 208 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:15.440 we have to rely on, you know, budgets and as you know, 209 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:21.640 with budgets, objects are just projections or you know how governments tend to raise 210 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:26.920 and you know, spend revenue, and the budgets do not really give you 211 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:33.680 two pictures of our government is spending resources. It shows you know, a 212 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.680 snipers of our intends resources. But of course you cannot spend what you do 213 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:42.680 not have. And so by twenty twenty, when states began to release their 214 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:49.160 financial statements, he gave us a real opportunity to now look exactly at what 215 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:53.119 states were prioritizing. You asked the question earlier, and what we try to 216 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:59.119 look at when we try to measure the physical source and ability of states summary 217 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.079 is just check the viability of states. So if these skids were to exist 218 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:10.200 theoretically as independent states, how would they say we they run bankrupt or would 219 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:15.960 they be able to run the states with what they're able to generate internalier skates? 220 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:21.960 What does this get sustability profile of these states look like? And so 221 00:18:22.119 --> 00:18:26.880 you know, we have to actuate the methodology three times now we want theta 222 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:33.720 available. So currently we have about five h indexes that we used to measure 223 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:38.519 the states. At the first index speekly index A, we try to steal 224 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:44.839 our skates. Are you know, able to their operating expenses, which what 225 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:49.759 they are only able to generate internal what we generally called idea. And when 226 00:18:49.839 --> 00:18:55.240 we look at opreating expenses, we are looking at the personal cost, that's 227 00:18:55.319 --> 00:19:00.960 what they pay their salaries, what if pay has you know, pension another 228 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:06.759 benefits. We look at over heads. Of course, what our head costs 229 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:11.039 unally forms the very critical component of the cost of running you know, government. 230 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:15.400 And certainly we look at the interest on loans because as you know, 231 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:23.720 uh, the loads are usually not reputable or reputable transfers, meaning that regardless 232 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:29.759 of over much you end, you must you know, service boots and pay 233 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:33.799 them back when they had to. And so the interest you know you look 234 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:40.119 play on those loans form your prettiness pens. So whether you like it or 235 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:45.720 not, yeah, you must facialaries, you must pay patients, you know, 236 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:49.640 even if now space have made it optional to pay patients and salaries. 237 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:53.039 But ideally, whether you like it or not, you most facialarities. You 238 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:59.480 must be patients, You must you know around government as its may. And 239 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.200 then you most service loads. You can decide whether this year there's not enough 240 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:08.000 money to build the road or building school and am in government who still road? 241 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:12.200 But these other components are work form operating expenses. So we try to 242 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:18.200 say in that indexing, how the capacity of the states to meet that must 243 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:23.000 do? Which is operating expenses, which what you're to generate internal as if 244 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:29.000 you don't add what comes from differal governments as fedal transfers, whether it start 245 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:33.839 to try a location, or whether it's deficit, or whether for states that 246 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:38.640 are all producing, whether it's the teteen percent drive vision for twenty years, 247 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:45.440 where there are things like the Parish Fund, Paris Fond, Paris Club reform, 248 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:52.200 or tailouts that are being into states, all these categorized as federal transfers 249 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:56.359 to the states. For the second index, we now say, okay, 250 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:03.559 outside your idea, if it not add the transfers that you know I had 251 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:10.359 mentioned, and you add ins and brands you know which its benefit from me 252 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:15.880 each here how do how does how are you able to build your pretty expenses 253 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:22.599 and your loan repayments obligations with your total rebion, is it enough right to 254 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:29.400 medio operating expenses and your loan repayment. That's index sorry escaped and in the 255 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:34.480 A one which is basically how we try to see how states are growing their 256 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:41.240 ir ye ony, so what efforts have still made right in the last twelve 257 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.240 months to grow your idea and so we we try to also let your stage 258 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:52.720 in that regard. Therefore index see the indexes. I try to look at 259 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:56.759 the tax stability of the skids and will try to marry for you know, 260 00:21:57.000 --> 00:22:03.880 small index is to make it a composite index. We look at what the 261 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:10.240 you know, what it gets to GDPs, what it gets to revenue is 262 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:17.799 what gets service to revenues. And then what the personnel post you as a 263 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:22.440 percentage of the revenue is I need to be shopping at customs for wanting it? 264 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:30.319 You know, sixty as sixty percent of the stage revenue was used you 265 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.920 know for personnel posts, and so you are left want doing So what is 266 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:38.759 left for you, you know, to service your head? What is left 267 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:44.079 for you to you know, to use to send this your debts which is 268 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:47.559 your interest from your loose then you know, turn on top of what is 269 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:52.039 left of your capital expended as you sort of issue a sense of where states 270 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.720 are, you know what the standings of states are in that regard. That's 271 00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:03.279 what let me ask you for you for your hop of we try to see 272 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:10.359 how prioritizing capital expended over their recurrence. I'll give it to you, okay. 273 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:12.799 And that's the first question. Right when we have the states performance on 274 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:18.799 Index A, I see Legos versna O going and a number one, two, 275 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:22.680 three, four five. So does it mean that that means that Legos 276 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:27.960 based on what does that fiscal What does it mean if I see Legos as 277 00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:33.880 zero point six three and at one point six what doesn't mean Yes, what 278 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:40.960 it means is that LEGS was able to raise enough revenues internal that's their idea 279 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:47.720 are such that they required only sixty three percent the point six of that your 280 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:56.440 total revenue to service the pretty expen able to really enough to reach the opting 281 00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:06.000 extent like Zambar by your start for restance Tafar wid one and plenty times was 282 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:11.880 gered internally to meets it. It's a Britain expense. So that tells you 283 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:15.960 that this state we need to do. You know it from meats. It's 284 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.920 a pretty expense, not an out top of the other things like go aheads 285 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:25.680 or the mount of epics as that's why you say that was on stage all 286 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:29.880 the many particular is just to be salaries. The channel they willing to go 287 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.200 to, you know, generation of revenues. If you don't add you know 288 00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:37.720 what comes from the feral events as federal transfers like when you go to ind 289 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:45.200 XP, we'd see to like for the XP even after you know the federal 290 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:52.839 trans first the idea and you know grants and grants. You know that's put 291 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:59.279 together. What's you're not enough to take care of your plating expenses and your 292 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:06.119 feeling say that a still to get it from parts of their loans and in 293 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:14.519 types of hapics borrowings you know was needed to perform their capital expend may be 294 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:19.559 so index big capitals index as only I g R index B is I G 295 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:34.079 can what you're able to do, which is your yeah transfers or maybe how 296 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:41.519 that is a motive in your pretty expenses and your own payments. Very interesting. 297 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:45.599 Let me pick a state here, point in state in index A is 298 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:49.680 nowhere. It's a point still doesn't show up really anywhere and index A. 299 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:55.720 When you go to index B point is number two the er point four four. 300 00:25:56.440 --> 00:25:59.880 So what does that mean that that points it is borrowing or have the 301 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.680 What does that mean that when the stage is there? Legos point of what 302 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:12.440 that means got in lots from UH, from back and from infant brands. 303 00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:17.279 I was able to generation not to be able to take care of his operating 304 00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:21.640 expenses. Alternatively, what that means, but it can also be is that 305 00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:27.160 he was able to grow it IDR. It did increase his operating expense. 306 00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:32.599 So it's it said that you are trying to re use your person expense or 307 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:37.599 you're grain your IDR to be able to beat your preating expense. Makes makes 308 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:41.559 sense to me. It makes sense to me. So I'm sorry, We're 309 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.440 gonna do a bit of this. Then I want to go into the state 310 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.640 by stage your mind. Just the last points on this the I g R 311 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:55.359 figure itself just want attached itself would of course shoe Legos really fasted the normal 312 00:26:56.480 --> 00:27:00.559 corporate right. But I like to trage guys did when you at the I 313 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:04.839 g R to the GDP and when you attached the IG at the GDP, 314 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:12.759 we now have rivers Quara go go on in and so that's I know rivers 315 00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:18.000 I really about Quara. So you are saying that why is Quara? They're 316 00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:22.599 number two? Let's talk about Quara. So we you're looking at the idea 317 00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:33.240 is you look sing the capacity of the economy? Right, so basically you're 318 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.319 looking at as as an economy, what are you able to generate from the 319 00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:42.480 economy? Activity is happening in that your economic and so why the fingers very 320 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:48.920 new? It is because even need a lot of citizens happening in some cases 321 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:56.079 you call in most cases their users legs because in the way these ones don't 322 00:27:56.119 --> 00:28:00.039 find their way to you know, the compact of these states, the men 323 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:04.039 who gets this money from, whether it's the access fands, you know, 324 00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:08.720 whether it is the market to men, whether is you know, the transporters, 325 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:15.319 care riders. But then there's no channels for that. One need to 326 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.480 find this way to be comfers of these states. And so regardless of the 327 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:25.000 want to more economic activities in that state, if you mental is what the 328 00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:27.799 states is then put to bake, you know, whether as tax or non 329 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:33.759 tax reven you know, it doesn't mismatch, It doesn't tell you you're not 330 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:41.240 able to see how those economic activities have translated into more revenues for these states. 331 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:44.759 So if you look at it from that lens, you begin to see 332 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:49.359 areas where states need to improve in terms of, you know, adequately or 333 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:55.240 efficiently collecting. Now I'm not going to use acting collecting because as it is 334 00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.640 a lot of people already paying. You know, again the appeal to your 335 00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:04.599 own true. You know, also governments, we now need to reform around 336 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:11.920 how efficiently collect you know, these revenues. And you know I would now 337 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:18.359 use that scene in solving a lot of this society problems that exist. Let 338 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.559 me bring let me bring Tracker back in here, and is there is there 339 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:27.400 a relationship with this figures where we have gdpop a capital per state ranking and 340 00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:36.599 the she said the efficiency of the state government in implementing projects. Do we 341 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:41.119 see a correlation for instance, it's quir tracker. Do you see that quaratitis? 342 00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:47.119 Is she now implementing this projects on the budget? Does that show up? 343 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.720 But do we see state don't make a lot of I g R but 344 00:29:49.960 --> 00:30:00.400 projects don't get done track dony correlations on that really have the full bits that 345 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:06.960 because we do not track stay fund their projects? And why because the information 346 00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:11.400 is not readily available, so if we wanted to get information on the projects 347 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:18.839 that states are to implements every year, we have to start lobbying from each 348 00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:23.720 state every state to get the data. So we always focus our efforts on 349 00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:30.200 the projects that is readily available to the public, which is deferer our goverment 350 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:36.880 projects. But sometimes this also these data also reflects some things that we see. 351 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:42.640 For instance, we are launching our twenty two project tracking report on November 352 00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:52.039 eight and we'll be able to also comprehensively review what sectors receive the most allocation 353 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:56.440 even though they are federal government implemented projects in the state. And for instance 354 00:30:56.519 --> 00:31:00.519 where it's did like Parra, we thought that there were no education projects in 355 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:06.920 the years, so they are about three hundred projects are none in ste education 356 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.640 and so we have some states that also there a lot like Embody as well. 357 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:17.680 In our track in terram we've seen that a big issue that the state 358 00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.400 has the people have his access to clean water, probably because of the terrain 359 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:27.200 of the states, and there are no water related projects in their constituency projects 360 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:38.920 about yes, this is annoying. We also want to put the sectors are 361 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:47.759 not necessarily further governments possibility when there when their interventions like this from the federal 362 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:52.440 governments, they should prioritize what the pay the pain points of these states. 363 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:59.039 So for this one saying the states apacity to for their ideas out to meet 364 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:04.559 their expenses or their capital expecting, but we cannot release it because we don't 365 00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:09.160 really track national projects. And actually, lads killed you will be traptured a 366 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:14.559 projects. What you just said. So in the Bonnie State, lots of 367 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:19.240 projects, but no water project, which is the pain point of the citizens 368 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:24.119 of the Borne state. But the state is building is gonna spend fifty million 369 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:32.079 United States dollars on an airport. Fifty million United States dollars on an airport, 370 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:35.480 just put it out. Then again you talked about Koara, you said 371 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:44.200 there was no education. Could just touch on that again. So project project 372 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:51.920 projects, there are no projects on education. We have qui aletes us to 373 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.519 conclude they have no projects on the education and you know you One of the 374 00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:00.519 things we found out also is that for environment projects, there's a lot of 375 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:06.319 emphasis on environment projects for all the states. So it's like the fragile government 376 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.039 even with the capital projects. Now before we didn't used to see a lot 377 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:14.319 of environment projects in the capital projects just used to be being the saidiapist, 378 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:19.519 but in the last four or five years environment projects have been really sticky seeping 379 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:25.400 in into the largpis. So you have that the federal government is funding lesson 380 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:32.720 grants to cooperative societies with a dread MILLIAD and even the budgets line items, 381 00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.799 it's very obscure. You don't you don't know where exactly being discourse, where 382 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.599 is it going to. So these are some of the issues that we have 383 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.640 been able to be points that we'll be talking about also in the reports that 384 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:53.599 we launching. Okay and the last one back. Yeah. I've also done 385 00:33:54.039 --> 00:34:00.799 some more around or just you hoping to bally tries to look out how better 386 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:07.880 to accurately and consistently project and spain you know, revenues as the casting we've 387 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:15.039 seen that there's a weak correlation between you know, fabilibility of revenues and implementation 388 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:21.840 of projects. Government often to spend on things that the prioritize oft times than 389 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:30.360 knows when you see the re implementation of projects that directly affect the masters and 390 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.760 the excuse you would often get from government is that you know, revenues are 391 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:38.559 not availing. But we found out that in practice, governments would always find 392 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:45.039 money to spend on whatever it is it's considers priority. If it's an airport 393 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:49.000 like you had mentioned earlier, it would build it. If it's an international 394 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.159 conference center, he would find money to build it. If it's not an 395 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:57.599 international worship center, he will always find money to build it. So when 396 00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:01.599 you usually get the excuses is into school that the child of the woman who 397 00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.400 or in the health care center than the child of woman who beneficial. I 398 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:12.800 mean, look at what the last with the last administration, because the federal 399 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:19.199 mental bat twenty one in your narr to build the the clinic in the state 400 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:24.719 house cleaning. And if you look at the national primary development, that is 401 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:30.239 you know something, the responsibility of taking care of over two thousand primary of 402 00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:37.079 the federation humilatively project for that was not that one. So what was that 403 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:46.960 Probably you look at the primary across board, the lock left to be desired. 404 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.880 We have to say it again because you're saying, you're saying it very 405 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.880 fast. People didn't already hear you. What you're saying is that the funds 406 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:05.360 are located to build one hospital for the president was more than the funds used 407 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:09.880 to build half those across the federation. Could you just figures again one more 408 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:20.679 time, please said this clinic the think relatively it was over twenty one billion 409 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:28.320 NAR and the project the National Primarial Care Developments Basins he got many agency startled 410 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:35.159 with responsibility of teaching to over thirty thousand primarier incidents, you know, across 411 00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.960 the letter bread of the federation. Relatively. Their project wasn't up to the 412 00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:45.800 Coplex project wasn't up to twenty one billion. Wow. But that clinic was 413 00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:51.000 conditionioned you know, by the last president when left office. Now for the 414 00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:57.159 clinic to the state of primarial care centers right across the letter bread of the 415 00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:02.519 federation. And that tells you what that government prioritize. If we won't look 416 00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:08.760 at healthcare and so that is what we see replicates across school It would insert 417 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:14.760 you to know that, you know, for some states, and I'll use 418 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.800 one states, you know as an example, an ambrasket. We looked at 419 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:24.920 the budget executive because I'm not trying to move away from saying project performance because 420 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.400 you're spending money does not mean that you have performed. So let's use the 421 00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:34.639 world execution. If you look at the project execution Ambra in twenty twenty one, 422 00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:40.480 you would see that he spent with and apple what was appropeted for for 423 00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:45.719 the airports in the year, you know, in the twenty twenty twenty twenty 424 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:50.400 one year. So if you want to look at what was allocated to the 425 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:57.280 state's primary of KARE development or it was less than twenty percent of their CAPEX 426 00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:02.280 project and for the airport it was about you know, that was spent for 427 00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:09.280 the projects for the primarialk development part was less than five hundred million, and 428 00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:14.920 if you look at the implementation it was still loss up to twenty percent. 429 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:21.480 So you cannot now say that it is your family not to spend that so 430 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:29.840 that you prioritize airport over the the healthcare of you, you know, twards 431 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:36.519 three millions that you have in your states. So it's largely the prioritization problem 432 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:43.559 more than it is problem. So in effect just became a number of states 433 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:51.239 spent more by a number by proportion on an airport than they spent to educate 434 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.559 the students of a number of states. This is a choice that the states 435 00:38:53.679 --> 00:39:00.639 made to spend more on an airport than the indication of this is the same 436 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.920 with their boring and all that. I mean, it's it goes back to 437 00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:07.880 remember when mister Shaw had comes on a space and the question was the Nigeria 438 00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:14.239 have a spending or revenue problem? And I always say Nigeria has a spending 439 00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:17.159 problem, not a revenue And if you give as the facts and the numbers 440 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:22.559 to back it up, Nigeria has a spending problem. It's a choice to 441 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:28.239 spend it at the airport than the divisional children. And we make that choice 442 00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.480 every quarter. Do we do it? And then we say there's no revenues. 443 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:37.440 So the facts and figures guys have, this debate is settled. We 444 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:42.119 have a spending problem in Nigeria, not really a revenue problem, but we've 445 00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.480 got more revenues. Would build a bigger airport. That's what I'm I hear. 446 00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:49.880 It's a show just to come up with if I dive into the states 447 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.880 by states, performance don't want to highlight a few states. You mentioned that 448 00:39:53.039 --> 00:40:00.920 this report was based on health. Why health? I'm still it's not there 449 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:08.960 asking me to take that question any if shows not why health? Oh okay, 450 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:14.000 maybe, but I would just say we're going to a different semantic view 451 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:17.639 of first I was telling to principles not a news strategy, and the part 452 00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:23.760 about new strategies to social sector accountability. We're really really people, so just 453 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:30.239 for accountability. So we wanted to look at health and education and were more 454 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:35.599 specific. Second was also because we were looking about health, say that you 455 00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:42.360 know, would treat health like a social experts whereas small an investment in terms 456 00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:46.159 of productivity of countries to say we're invest the roads, which is school school 457 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:53.079 with the big courts. That health is also like infest when to keep it 458 00:40:53.159 --> 00:41:00.199 out. So but both a different things that I said, experts, productivity, 459 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:06.559 investments in education. I think this time we just feel like with the 460 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.159 open leveling fallout, we have to assuming much more the health. But you 461 00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:15.920 have better than you know, please go ahead. And I don't want to 462 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:17.800 go into two states. I want to do two states or three, but 463 00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:21.559 two states on my Margaine, just go ahead, yeah, thank you. 464 00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.400 So I mean really decided to look for, you know, the magic area. 465 00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:30.800 You know that also speaks to you know, a lot of the interest 466 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.880 of persons in office at moments now. Anybody butment now will tell you that 467 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.239 they have a revenue from publand. You know, they are trying to see 468 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:43.440 how they can reach revenues. Is not enough revenue two you know, spend 469 00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.400 on govern many programs and projects. But what they feel to see is that 470 00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:57.039 there's a direct correlation eversed from correlation between health and educational outcomes and economic development. 471 00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:04.320 Economy as a kiss me I studies are right for countries that have better 472 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:08.440 additional outcomes, better health outcomes. You know you you would see that, 473 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:15.039 you know that correlation between between that and the economic growth, and so you 474 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:22.679 cannot tax you know, basic composition. You can only tackle population that is 475 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:28.440 healthy enough to look for fine work and work. And so if you if 476 00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.320 you maintain it, focus on elth you do not see all the other contribute 477 00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:37.000 factors that you know add to productivity. If you look at your numbers to 478 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:42.320 be after the last count which was twenty twenty one when the unism close and 479 00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:46.159 it or something was done, one in every ten child born in this country 480 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:53.199 does not leave to see their fit paty. If you look at our montality 481 00:42:53.400 --> 00:43:00.639 as a kiss name, seventy percent of Nigerian women right, you know suffar 482 00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:08.599 from during pregnancy so far from anemia which is a low iron out and often 483 00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:16.719 times than not that's what is usually you know, glantly responsible for hemorrhage, 484 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:22.400 who's part of their marriage, which are fully dilegates of pregnant with and so 485 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.920 these things keep happening and you're not looking for a way to address these things. 486 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:34.280 Flags women who in a lot of you know, communities across at the 487 00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:37.800 Federation, rural communities you know, have often also found themselves to be bread 488 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:47.000 bringers of their woods have lost during child So there's a strong correlation between health, 489 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:52.960 nutrition, education, and economic development. And so states needs to begin 490 00:43:53.159 --> 00:44:00.760 to see that investments in these areas over time, would you know, results 491 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:06.679 in a productive population that you cannot tax, you know, raised revenue speech 492 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:12.039 you have maybe a primary you know purpose are coming into official at the moment. 493 00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.280 So, I mean, that's a good point. I've never looked at 494 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:21.920 health as tying health into what's it called economic growth. Was at education but 495 00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:24.599 not really help. So if you could emphasize that your persession has just mean 496 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.679 to me that health itself should also being as an investment, not just education 497 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.559 in terms of growing geper capital of the state. So good point. You 498 00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:40.960 raised the India Not to be honest, look that way before Okay, it 499 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:45.159 was it was it was. I mean, it was sort of estimated that 500 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:51.079 if we're not able to address I pola when it happened, right, and 501 00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:53.679 he was able to ten gates our health system, we would have lost two 502 00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:59.760 percent of ati pula as well as I tell you I Bula was addressed. 503 00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:07.880 I mean this sort of this is outbreaks are usually identified at the both called 504 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:15.199 primary instances because local centers, when these outbreaks have many communities, that's our 505 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:20.840 such respondents these kinds of cases. And so if this centers do not have 506 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:27.199 your pass into detect you know, to prevent and respond to these outfits just 507 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:30.400 you know, just sort of this is outreks, you know spread you know, 508 00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:37.760 am the population and in lockdown like you have only twenty twenty becomes giving 509 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.800 it and so what happens you're economy in light of that. So that's why 510 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:47.360 it's important that states movement prioritize the health security. That a very very strong 511 00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:53.679 link between your capacity to respond to detects you know, this is out bricks, 512 00:45:54.199 --> 00:46:00.280 you know, is and your economy as as the case for that. 513 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:02.559 Goscha, Okay, so let's I think I have track it back. Let 514 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:06.719 let's let's talk about some states. I want to talk about of course I'm 515 00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:08.039 biased. I want to talk about abbas state. I want to talk about 516 00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:13.679 legal state where I live. Just to highlight the report itself before we go 517 00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.440 to the etho, grapra is a part. But if you look at at 518 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:21.480 the person I see here is overall this clup of man's rank of fifteen out 519 00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:25.760 of toty six, he says death sustainability rank thirty out of toy six. 520 00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.679 So does that mean that in terms of death sustainability abias real in the bad 521 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:50.800 spot where thirty out of is that's what it means? An okay, Still 522 00:46:54.360 --> 00:47:02.039 at recommend their treasholds from right amilidress or so for like the personnel cost to 523 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:07.519 revenue, it's recommended that it should not be money. Your personal costs should 524 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:12.159 not be more than you're more than sixty percent of your revenue you'll get to 525 00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:15.320 to our revenue to should not be more two hundred percent. So we have 526 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:25.159 that those pressures for the four different indexes. But looking at the profiles of 527 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:29.800 the states, what we want to choose to focus on, you know, 528 00:47:30.679 --> 00:47:34.159 beyond the ranking needs to be eble to look at states that you know have 529 00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:39.639 a large quantum of dollar denomilated dates and situated that within the current for a 530 00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:45.679 next change regime, and our usually goals. For instance, because the diferentate 531 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:52.480 of legal states as it is as Stember it's pressed twenty twenty two was more 532 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:58.280 than accumulating four in dates of twenty four skids and so by the dollar you 533 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:04.440 know are losing its value from four forty uh nina to seven seven one Maraghan 534 00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:12.960 we destroyed because it's without even acquiring any actional dollar nominated dates and grows orieeds 535 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.880 by more than three hundred billion, and so at that sort of tells you 536 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:23.159 that post games, you know that a week having appetize for acquiring the large 537 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:30.440 nominated dates, they would might need to check it, especially within the context 538 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:40.800 of the current foreign exchange and the five states there are legals do cross river 539 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:49.840 and bou and that's correct, what is about going in? What is crossing? 540 00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:58.360 And if they do ask cru what's doing for five hundreds to the three 541 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:04.440 millions foreign? Yet does this include like they are still where is the money 542 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:10.840 going? To have an answer where the foreign debts she is going to? 543 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:16.039 You will have a sense. So we do not have this sense and this 544 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:21.960 is not just the mostly with the state problems. We do not have the 545 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:28.920 sense of what exactly exactly you know this foreign loans are used for except for 546 00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:32.000 the project type loans. There are some projectid loans that isn't that's okay, 547 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:38.519 we're getting again for specific projects, but more broadly a lot of times to 548 00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:47.400 borrowing and not time to specific puget SOS can borrow to buy pass house of 549 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:53.639 our several members. The States can borrow to build an international center if that's 550 00:49:53.679 --> 00:50:00.159 what because of that bird and that's a problem borrow to one de agreement citizens 551 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:07.719 as we have seen in the number of kids found the organization. But I 552 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:14.440 appened to go out, you know, Christmas is to on the relig needs 553 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:23.159 obvious. I wish start to be issue around prioritization because if he allowed answer 554 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:29.039 a little bit of that, please go ahead, so I know for all 555 00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:39.639 the public for legacy of SA Yeah that questions to get treasure, I didn't 556 00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:45.119 I find in the top three for the name said the top five. So 557 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.079 they've been there for Cadler. I mean it was the every five years. 558 00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:55.320 They also had some boring that they took previously pre verified period for Zia Watersking 559 00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:00.199 project. I know that if you remember, there was a spark in the 560 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:07.599 National Assembly between the former Senator Shows Sunny and the periods governor on the victory. 561 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.559 Because let's not forget that for every foreign death is eight six must be 562 00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:17.719 approved by the National Assembly. So there was a pushback that some of the 563 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:22.559 said it doesn't not pushed back that the lincol shields and I think that was 564 00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:29.679 part of the sparking their polletic but also took some side. If you look 565 00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:34.559 at the numbers to some sizeable look foreign debt and then some of them was 566 00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:39.760 from the Islamic Bank, some of them from from the If you also look 567 00:51:39.800 --> 00:51:47.679 at Legos Legos as traditionally always adding for that world bank that pform that bout 568 00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.480 is the one that's stund in reserving. What not yet understanding with bounty borrows 569 00:51:52.679 --> 00:52:00.199 because most not realize that they co bit stones end in ethets even if for 570 00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:06.440 federal location is when shared in the shad that traditional revenue, they don't they 571 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:10.119 don't get their power of the revenue in effects. So definitely were huge cost, 572 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:15.039 huge impacts on their on their on their repayments because they would have to 573 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:20.159 be playing back in there. So it's really very important and instructive that the 574 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:25.559 pay seasons extra atension because I may state not borrows so much improving in ferndand 575 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:30.840 and maybe it's something of short there, but they have to play back quickly 576 00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:35.519 or high interest suits. There will be challenges for a new government that comes 577 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:39.199 into play to be able to perform at all. And that's where the silent 578 00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:45.239 resign field powers are banded because state page they will not do to but I 579 00:52:45.360 --> 00:53:10.760 invested even do that was from the less sea to get rivers are quite from 580 00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:15.599 a do anymore. These are all oil goes in states. I get it, 581 00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:20.079 But what's can I do with forty one billion? This is total death 582 00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:23.440 now across the both local and foreign. It will be interesting to see what 583 00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.239 they did with this. With this one. It's I can say, yes, 584 00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:31.000 put foreign a local. We've gotten a good bang for our book. 585 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:39.159 Say yeah, uh interesting? Where are they talk about again? Now? 586 00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:43.679 Was on the total revenue growth. Now we're talking about the death's talk about 587 00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:49.519 about revenue and again talk on the infographics the subnationals together total revenue growth. 588 00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:53.320 This is one I'm in able to pickure mine on bayas the state has gotten 589 00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:58.800 the total that is number one to the top total revenue grow to the two 590 00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:04.239 percent. What I did see when when you talk about bios states in terms 591 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:12.480 of their y with fact and the very very low down. So what's happened 592 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:22.719 small small polis the states? You know? Perhaps why do you think why 593 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:28.840 so there are revenues from kuror cannot form the states without them borrowing. I 594 00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:35.719 mean that they're like maybe treatable in bios and if I consider yeah, thank 595 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:40.840 you, so I mean a biostrastic it's all of the revenue you know, 596 00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:47.320 comes from center azation they did. They're not doing too well on the internal 597 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:57.119 generative revenue. They also have a relatively high operating expense and so that's why. 598 00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:02.800 So what action due to to the proof is largely you know, dependence 599 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:09.559 on what the books as center rivas and they are made the tith you know 600 00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:20.519 that uh tiven de ambition. We considered idea because if there was resource control, 601 00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:28.119 probably that money that should have approved to the states if these companies were 602 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:35.159 dealing directly with the stip. But our methodology does not allow us consider the 603 00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:43.800 transfers because we think it's often no, it's no bestot of yours that you 604 00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:50.119 are helding that much it's just by the fact that you have all on the 605 00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:53.760 nature grounds that you have bele fitting from that getting percent. So at this 606 00:55:53.920 --> 00:56:00.800 point, maybe later on when we think that the posting or also codes, 607 00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:05.559 we can't do that, so you know, but at this point in time, 608 00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:08.719 they're not able to consider that. As you know, part of the 609 00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:15.280 idea. And so what you nowsy is that these states had or has a 610 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:22.000 very high dependence on flat revenue or federal transfers. So in the year like 611 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:28.239 coping for Restance where the taps were shot, is that that happens when you 612 00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:32.920 want here it is it's like by us that would have been bankrupt because you 613 00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:39.599 know, there wasn't going to revenues from oil activities to one the borjet of 614 00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:46.480 that particulars. And so one of the key messaging we always have here on 615 00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:53.400 yeah, is that states you know, need to you know develop or improve 616 00:56:53.480 --> 00:57:04.159 their domestic resource mobilization capacity to win themselves of the dependence on our federal transfers. 617 00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:10.039 And something that went with it, I mean a man pretty previous administration 618 00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:15.760 of any conversation from my high rest German. I mean, they're joining a 619 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:24.320 lot of reforms around uh, the attacked regimm you know considerably when the last 620 00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:29.440 few years, I mean, you mentioned something that's struck me. That's the 621 00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:35.960 tax the tax goal of the states. He's sort of that he wants a 622 00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:43.079 great to the point where he would attend fact meetings out of respect and I'm 623 00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:45.840 not a lout of necessity. And so what that tells is that the animo 624 00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:50.559 states, he's sort of that he wants to be able to throw the revenues 625 00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:54.960 internality point where whatever comes from fact he's seen as an additional right that you 626 00:57:55.039 --> 00:58:00.039 can now use to even know that you know, but programs, and I 627 00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:07.599 think that that's something that everything is aspired. Listen, look at track. 628 00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:13.039 How are you guys able to track projects in serie varieing states like by Elsa 629 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:15.679 that they have to go on the boat or even states like the desert states 630 00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:20.559 like your Big Way have to go like miles on a camel to local government. 631 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:25.159 How hard does this and do you need citizens to basically assist you in 632 00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:30.639 tracking these projects and have to reach places. It's something that you think would 633 00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:35.880 make your job more should we say easier in quote if you've got that citizens 634 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:45.840 porter or something like that. We currently have the program called Community Champions program, 635 00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:52.039 which are basically chairs across state, six states and the city about one 636 00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:59.400 four hundred and ten years and ten people. So we have state officers who 637 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:02.519 directly are the ones that are going to travel the projects, and the state 638 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:08.079 officers collaborate with community champions. So for areas, for instance, we've had 639 00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:16.679 able in Cartina and Kevin. In some places that are in security very rife 640 00:59:16.880 --> 00:59:23.119 in some local governments, people who leave their work community champions that we trust 641 00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:29.880 because when we board there's a lot of embodying going on and some periodic trainings 642 00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:35.920 stay at the ones that give us this information and some ways we verify this 643 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.840 information to know that okay, yes this is correct, then that is what 644 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:45.400 we use. So we we where we are even distructured about work is to 645 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:52.480 have a situation whereby we don't have state officers anymore, that the citizens who 646 00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:58.239 are going to be the ones doing this tracking, doing this feedback and doing 647 00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:01.000 this report is that all we would us do is just give them that platform 648 01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:08.440 to be able to put So we just recently revamped our mobile app and it 649 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:13.920 is currently on bios, on app Store, and on play Store. It's 650 01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:17.199 called Track and Mobile. So if you download the app and you pick your 651 01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:22.159 state or your local government. But you are going to see the projects the 652 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:27.480 furtherer government projects around you in your states and your local government, and you 653 01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:32.239 can clip on that clip on the projects and given comments and also have pictures 654 01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:37.480 to say, oh this are this and this is the objects. And also 655 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:42.039 we have a place where you can submit needs. So if there's something that 656 01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:47.000 your community or your local government's needs, you can just give put out the 657 01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:51.840 information supported by pictures, or if you don't have pictures, that is also 658 01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:57.000 fine and we will take it off and send it to the stakeholders. We 659 01:00:57.079 --> 01:01:04.800 are also working on onboarding government to use the app and need to see the 660 01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:10.760 common as government so when they are object or projects or needs to come to 661 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.760 from people in their complaces or their local government, they are going to be 662 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:22.960 seeing the directly. The look I just all on the app. Like if 663 01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:25.599 I have my app and go to my village, I can look for the 664 01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:30.280 nearest federals in my local government, go there, take pictures, track it 665 01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:37.159 them just because I can do that myself. Yes, that is very important, 666 01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:39.480 so you can do that, guys. I want to let you speak. 667 01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:42.679 I know if you guys have been waiting to speak. But last question, 668 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.480 I do have you speak. I'm looking at the chart here it says 669 01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:52.559 total educational spending capital. Number one seat is niger seat. The last sea 670 01:01:52.679 --> 01:01:57.719 here is you'll be I can understand you'll be insurgency. But the second last 671 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:04.360 seat is equity. How does a cut state the number of professors have the 672 01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:07.880 last and the maderation that spends on educational capital and then of course not just 673 01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:13.480 states prop to them. I don't number one thing in terms of total educations, 674 01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:22.960 right, And I remember with those states last year, he did them 675 01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:28.039 like a bomb, you know, when we had very you know, released 676 01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:35.159 in data to say that they were spending less than four hundreds narrow capital on 677 01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:40.880 you know, on education and healthcare. And after you know, the reports, 678 01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.079 and this is credit to the kids, you know, they reached out 679 01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:49.639 to see how you know, they would be able to prioritize the states more. 680 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:52.039 But what I got from the since I go from all of that conversation 681 01:02:52.719 --> 01:03:00.559 was that were not really pay attention. So the impact of the decisions only 682 01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:06.800 indicators like this, and so the mom in their faces, the more I'm 683 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:10.639 able to pay attention to this, and I want the greats about a locating 684 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:17.079 resources two areas. You know that the large extents will improve, uh, 685 01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:24.119 realize our livelihood of the new that you know, the theself because a lot 686 01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:29.679 of times they're not able to draw these linkages, you know when they are 687 01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:37.239 when the dishion making is happening an around resource and vocation. So I don't 688 01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:42.519 think he would be different in the place of the entity with the benefit of 689 01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:46.599 hindsight that they would never say that of the truth what we actually spent in 690 01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:52.280 the years you know that was this, so that that would be my response 691 01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:57.840 to that question. So I'm do you know what to be to be able 692 01:03:57.880 --> 01:04:08.199 to ask you afinitey of the lastic moment? What's the government at times? 693 01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:14.599 For the president of this government right, they want to do as prioritizing you 694 01:04:14.719 --> 01:04:18.920 know, the very bigaro sausages of these kids in areas. That's how potential 695 01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:26.880 to improve their lives and livelihood of the people. Just gotcha point while taking 696 01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:29.679 let me try the flock open now to folks. I want to ask quessions 697 01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:32.239 thank you so much for which I know few. You've got the flow. 698 01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:42.320 Please go ahead, sir mister a right, go ahead, so you've got 699 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:46.079 the floor. Go ahead if you're not ready. I'm going to get free 700 01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:55.480 free. So if I could get one of our team members world, maybe 701 01:04:55.519 --> 01:05:04.000 it will request to speak about God spend one of us Cora and I think 702 01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:10.480 any hosts your co host a look, make you guys co hosts, so 703 01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:15.880 you can just bring them on board. Yeah, and the fairy question, 704 01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:21.639 so let's let us get a let me get free debray b the grat b 705 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:28.400 if you can go ahead on the me. Thank you so much. Allo, 706 01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:32.679 everyone high, the high, mister Inni, tracker Io and the rest 707 01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:38.599 the listeners. So I work with projects, so I'm just here to provide 708 01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:44.039 support and maybe just gave a little bit of more context, just like any 709 01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:48.920 said, you know your question relating to the curiosity, I mean you're curious 710 01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:54.119 curiosity as to why he wasn't spending how much education. So in a lot 711 01:05:54.159 --> 01:06:00.840 of states, I think are not or state governors have a a challenge. 712 01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:04.400 And this was something that was said, you know, almost explicitly by the 713 01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:09.559 chairman of the Nigeria Governors Forum during the Just Health Salo states, you know 714 01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:13.960 you have political considerations as to where your money or to go. Are you 715 01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:18.960 going to try to please your in quotes loyalists and you know, lobbyists and 716 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:24.159 people close to you, or are you going to please the people in general? 717 01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:30.159 Are you going to prioritize investments that have long term horizons or are you 718 01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:33.039 going to prioritize investments that have short term horizons? And really it's been coming 719 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:40.079 up in the comments you and any end stibig I've been making over the course 720 01:06:40.199 --> 01:06:45.280 of this conversation. But I like our listeners to really understand that these are 721 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:50.440 essentially political questions. Every decision that a governor takes or does not take relating 722 01:06:50.480 --> 01:06:56.400 to infrastructure, education, health, water sanitation is a political decision, and 723 01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:00.920 ordinarily stay houses of Assembly, you know, who are the on boatsmen or 724 01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:05.039 the oversized body ought to query and critique this. You know, you should 725 01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:10.760 say, looking at school enrollment, looking at infant mortality, we say that 726 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:14.679 our state is either following or rising. Why you're not doing X? You 727 01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:19.280 know, But these conversations usually never arise because of the nature of politics in 728 01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:25.039 Nigeria. So I think I'll just alieve that. Thank you, excellent good 729 01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:28.760 point, A good point on that. Let's get the agreed name. But 730 01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:38.079 I get right you go flow, you know, I think right here, 731 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:45.159 Yes, I mean apologize, yeah, agree with everyone. My lad is 732 01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:50.559 young. I a the g IP department for booget and very goodly. I 733 01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:54.639 want to say thank you very much for doing this, for giving us the 734 01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:59.760 you know, blending us your platform to also speak ableout things will be very 735 01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:05.280 about and also the work that we do and ensuring that transparence and accountability is 736 01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:11.519 the bane of governance and one of those tools that we use to ensure that 737 01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:16.039 we get transparence and accountability in governmance. This goes froent platform. Just like 738 01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:23.319 Ms Shaw said, I compliments the track patfrol and what this does basically to 739 01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:30.079 show you exactly what the government is spending on project and I was paid to 740 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:32.319 an MDA, and I was paid to an agency, and I was built 741 01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:39.720 to a private contractor that was spay doing business whatever you basically shows you you 742 01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:44.279 know these transactions and allows you to be able to track them and are currently 743 01:08:44.439 --> 01:08:46.680 One of the things that we're trying to do is to trans sie uh. 744 01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:50.560 You know. Part of the analysis that we've done is to analyze so how 745 01:08:50.720 --> 01:08:56.920 much exactly is going to private own companies, how much is going to interview 746 01:08:57.039 --> 01:09:00.279 laws, how much is going to you know, how much are the countrys 747 01:09:00.319 --> 01:09:03.159 are being done with those descriptions, because I mean we've seen a lot of 748 01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:10.600 things involved us towards payment by intradial government and all of the things that you 749 01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:15.039 know, makes this very interesting is that currently we're even doing the Fellowship program 750 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:20.560 where we have journal two of journalists you know, using strict resources on the 751 01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:27.119 platform to tell investigative stories. So they follow this stone from how much was 752 01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:32.039 paid to under studying way exactly at the beneficial hollness of these organizations our exerty 753 01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:36.159 company, where there are do process in place when this particular contrast has been 754 01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:42.399 because we understand that from some of the things that we're seeing an example that 755 01:09:42.760 --> 01:10:00.439 which I'm not to see the government for companies the net of our own realize 756 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:04.479 that sometimes at the square right. But then, I mean, one thing 757 01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:09.640 that makes this in the first thing is because from this central of you know, 758 01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:13.560 the cultuarial platform where we get all the data sets that goes to the 759 01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:17.000 girlfriend platform, what we've seen is that they also have started been more attention. 760 01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:23.760 For example, where we had forty percent of our you know, payments 761 01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:28.920 that had scriptures from the last analysis went down to to just just as just 762 01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:32.319 five percent of those pumas we have descriptions. So what we've seen is that 763 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:36.880 then people are starting to pay more attention to distance and that they're starting to 764 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:42.479 ask more questions as towards how their funds are. The steps and the one 765 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:46.880 thing that I mean beloved always appos how do you manage so much you know, 766 01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:50.159 so much data set that you know it doesn't get confused. And what 767 01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:55.920 we've done is we've aggregated you know, platforms ware. You can direct through 768 01:10:56.079 --> 01:10:59.880 from that platform, paralyze the data, use the data for anything you wants 769 01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:02.720 to do. And to get this platform only just need to do this w 770 01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:10.560 good, go spend. What we what we're trying to do is rus next. 771 01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:14.800 People know that there is a place where you can see how much comment 772 01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:19.039 is straining I mean from from not just being a project. What's going to 773 01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:24.920 payment as it will? Thank you very much, good points. Good points. 774 01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:28.720 I thought on that princess family take above states with here all the time, 775 01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:31.199 So good point. King got the floor, Go ahead, King Austin, 776 01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:39.600 all right, this is a beautiful platform. I was really really really 777 01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:47.600 hard working when I heard the other speaking speaking about in speaking about the primary 778 01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:57.439 health centers the states there in how you know government prioritize a needless to speak 779 01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:02.840 projects, you know, leave our primary health centers in history, but I 780 01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:09.199 wanted to I would like to ask questions along that line, and I need 781 01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:16.279 more education. I would like to know who is response responsible for primary health 782 01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:24.600 pas centers and what is it that we can do to ensure that you know, 783 01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:30.239 primary health centers and developed. I am from Inmo States and from away 784 01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:35.800 Animal States, and my primary health center is in shambles, completely in shambles, 785 01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:41.800 and I've been trying to get answers to answer to this question, who 786 01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:46.640 is responsible for primary centers and what can be done to to ensure that you 787 01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:50.920 know? In local government like my my my place does not have just work, 788 01:12:51.439 --> 01:12:58.800 but multiple that have functionally. Thank you very much, so any you 789 01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:04.159 want to say that that is asking who is responsible? Is another federal government, 790 01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:06.880 I mean federal medical. It doesn't have a better in front of it. 791 01:13:08.039 --> 01:13:16.880 Who wants to take We are the state government and responsible for that right 792 01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:26.520 for the primaries in this seat being a directing which is where we have the 793 01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:31.720 fe sees and all that the states and the states are distal speeches at the 794 01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:39.359 General speeches a number state gofference as well. So basically the federal government, 795 01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:44.560 I mean the m PC right now is in charge of the region. Our 796 01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:47.840 policies are not insured. That's thinking of memental compliance at this points. You 797 01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:53.039 know, in terms of taking care of those primary health case censers, they 798 01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:58.399 are basically responsibility of the statement. MM. So that's another question. Give 799 01:13:58.439 --> 01:14:06.039 answer. Yeah, it's probably just coming up. So he was asking what 800 01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:12.279 can be done. The idea is that the way you have a primary of 801 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:15.039 your center that exactly of the pervieal of these states. Maybe you would have 802 01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:21.800 a local government being in charge of providing personnel, but it is overwhelmingly under 803 01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:28.079 the authority and scope of the states, the Statehouse of Assembly, the executive 804 01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:34.039 secretaries of the various primary health care and development agencies or healthcare boards. You 805 01:14:34.119 --> 01:14:40.680 know, these are institutions, the executive government himself, the Commissioner for healthynessities. 806 01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:44.720 These are the people that should be approached, that should be questioned. 807 01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:47.560 You know, speak to your representatives a hard time. We need to have 808 01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:53.399 real life discussions about what to do. Yes, we can talk about these 809 01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:57.840 issues, but going into the field, what is it like? So you 810 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:02.239 know that because over sights is you know, joined by the State House of 811 01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:06.680 Assembly monitoring and oversights. That's one place to start. The State House of 812 01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:12.439 Assembly, you're elective and representative. You know the chairman of the Health Committee, 813 01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:15.000 for instance. These are people you can write, you can come under, 814 01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:18.119 you know, a group of concerned individuals, or you know, go 815 01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:23.960 through civil society organizations that are working on health projects in your area. And 816 01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:28.279 you can even float in private members. They will on private they will in 817 01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:32.640 your partner to increase the number of your environment healthcare centers in your stage. 818 01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:38.359 But I mean these are the points of contact, if I would say, 819 01:15:38.720 --> 01:15:44.520 basically the starting points where citizens need to ask questions for Supermo, citizens need 820 01:15:44.600 --> 01:15:49.720 to ask questions where you know an attraction can watch maker and super super good 821 01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:58.720 good call, let me go and roll in here, go ahead, Are 822 01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:06.560 ladies, gentlemen of any more given me the opportunity to unlet my voice and 823 01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:16.399 thanking budgets and the cruel for what you're doing tracking the the expenditures revenues of 824 01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:24.199 states all across the country. I think I'm just my sucess here is I'm 825 01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:28.119 not an economist as a disclaimer, so I don't I don't plan to do 826 01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:32.680 anything pertaining to as a as a citizen of the country. I think I'm 827 01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:41.079 not concerned basically about how we want to practice the American system of government, 828 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:45.760 and we do not practice the letter. I've never seen the state in the 829 01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:51.119 United States going to the federal government every month to panhandle to beg the federal 830 01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:56.479 government and to give them marked salary, a wage like doing my jour, 831 01:16:57.039 --> 01:17:05.520 which I consider as a semposcal federalism. We have to truly practice federalism so 832 01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:12.520 that everybody can sort out their own resources, I mean, like their own 833 01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:16.560 revenues and things like that. But I think that's just the autistic. Part 834 01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:24.119 of what I'm really concerned about, also is that maturity of the state and 835 01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:30.239 government are not responsible because of political experience. It Once they get into the 836 01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:34.159 government, the first thing they do is to take care of their cronies. 837 01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:41.960 But you know, like on those days, for instance, just how many 838 01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:47.520 hubs for the states legilators the same thing the federal government, what do they 839 01:17:47.600 --> 01:17:53.960 need that of those cons that money could have been diverted into something else, 840 01:17:55.279 --> 01:18:00.520 like when we're talking about the primary healthcare center, uh, the education from 841 01:18:00.800 --> 01:18:05.039 primary to such borg to taser institutions. You don't have money for your barney 842 01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:14.840 assue means of promising for our legislators, what are we doing? I mean, 843 01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:18.520 these are the questions that are being asked over and over again that we 844 01:18:18.800 --> 01:18:30.479 have misplaced by orgies as both states, federal and local government. So if 845 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:35.760 we do not take all these things into accounts and really evaluate how we govern 846 01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:41.720 ourselves, would definitely come back over and over again to talk about this alas 847 01:18:41.840 --> 01:18:48.840 this inefficiency of government. I'm doing a good job tracking all of these things, 848 01:18:48.920 --> 01:18:54.079 but mind, I want you guys to also, you know intensively your 849 01:18:54.119 --> 01:19:01.560 ets in calling them out more often than what you're doing. Yeah, Ron, 850 01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:12.159 it's well said, well said. I'm well said. No, I 851 01:19:12.239 --> 01:19:14.720 mean, well, I'm on your side. I mean, imagine if we 852 01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:16.199 didn't have these guys, if we didn't have Tracker. We didn't have but 853 01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:19.319 we didn't have all these folks on social media, we didn't have Twitter. 854 01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:24.039 Imagine what would have been happening to then we know where I'm trying to buy 855 01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:27.720 stubs because of social media. Now we're going to second steps. They won't 856 01:19:27.720 --> 01:19:30.359 say, let's don't track the allocation in the past World War projects. You're 857 01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:34.359 located the budget posted when he goes, nothing happens. Years ago we had 858 01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:39.479 to go for the go for war win fall. They said it was twelve 859 01:19:39.560 --> 01:19:42.920 billion. No one knows because no one tracked it. No one has any 860 01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:46.000 report. There's nothing today it can happen. At least will know what was 861 01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:49.560 spend. We can just go to opek online and give up Nigeria and we'll 862 01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:55.479 have to wor Nigeria's So we're going from that darkness. There's light in the 863 01:19:55.560 --> 01:20:00.880 tunnel, there's FOI Now I think citizens in social to do good. This 864 01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:04.039 is doing good. This is basically no social good. This is our own 865 01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:09.800 quote unquote way to protest. If you don't have money, at least spend 866 01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:13.600 on the poor. I know everyone is grazy in the United States. Remember 867 01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:17.119 in the United States, Congress was had a stinger opression by the FBI when 868 01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:20.840 we're buying hammers from a thousand dollars and both for like a talent doors as 869 01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:26.640 well, and the FBI went to Congress did a sting or members of Congress 870 01:20:26.760 --> 01:20:30.359 and exposed it and so this died down. So now just are not more 871 01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:32.520 corrupt. It's just that in the West, their institutions are a bit more 872 01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:38.520 powerful, you kindly just go as a congressman there and then have some budget 873 01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:41.199 and just take the money and put in your fridge. They will arrest you. 874 01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:45.119 But here you seeing that there's this humility of consequence. You know, 875 01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:47.399 you do whatever you want to do, nothing happens, so you know you 876 01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.640 do it again, and if you keep doing again until something happens. So 877 01:20:50.960 --> 01:20:54.520 I'm on your side, sir, thanks much for commenting. Don't Yeah, 878 01:20:54.520 --> 01:21:05.479 I got your sir, eBay dog you wan Hebeke came met Yeah, nobody. 879 01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:14.279 I mean I'm looking for and I don't know. I think it is 880 01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:25.760 more question since the numbers numbers and the number of generating ant has three building 881 01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:34.279 and taking don't invind a numbers early. It is my kid on the job. 882 01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:42.000 And then I see and then also didn't mind that I also have to 883 01:21:42.039 --> 01:21:48.600 be in a number state and gating taxing video. You don't think it's the 884 01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:58.880 case. I think that's is it in the condition or many and most possibly 885 01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:48.199 the question is I think I got you the experts, I hear, the 886 01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:53.600 experts I hear, But my ticket is I g r A is a record 887 01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:58.880 of the inefficiency of the government, not the record of the weld that could 888 01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:01.000 be collected. So if you look at the IGI report, you see states 889 01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:05.920 like you' be doing better than a number. Ub is in a war zone 890 01:23:06.479 --> 01:23:11.239 doing better than a number Ubi. And I'm not just not an insult to 891 01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:14.720 the folks in Yubi, but like you said, the largest marketing were in 892 01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:18.359 Africa only tries in a number and Navy, So how can you be be 893 01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:25.319 doing more a number? But Yuba is more efficient in collecting igr that's what's 894 01:23:25.399 --> 01:23:28.800 going on. And what is this efficiency? What's this IGRR? If you 895 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:32.039 take away DP that you collect from the salary, that's the easy one. 896 01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:36.760 You have got to track commas and then tax commas. So Yuba is able 897 01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:42.119 to track and tax commas better a number and it's not rocket science. Anything 898 01:23:42.279 --> 01:23:45.960 paid in cash is lost. If you go to a number on that bridgehead, 899 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:47.439 what do you see happening there? They'll stop people, Hey, pay 900 01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:51.600 your ticket, you give them cash, they give you sticker. Once it's 901 01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:58.600 in cash is lost. That same you can have a little sticker QR code 902 01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:02.720 on every boss where the local government guy can scan your QR code and know 903 01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:06.600 if you have paid for that day and that payment you can make and make 904 01:24:06.640 --> 01:24:14.239 that made online to the state government and you totally eliminate out or taker just 905 01:24:14.319 --> 01:24:17.359 the QR code the Gerban wake up, scan his QR code. He makes 906 01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:21.039 the payment, then I says, driving, look at guys, come scanner 907 01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:25.920 in QR code and covering he has paid the difference no cash. If you 908 01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:30.319 did that, you get a trillion in revenues across Nigeria. So igr does 909 01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:34.159 not mean as the reporter here is not the reporter, correct, But I 910 01:24:34.640 --> 01:24:41.000 tracked the efficiency of the government in that state to track revenues, to track 911 01:24:41.079 --> 01:24:44.840 commers as a tax. Don't only track the wealth because if he did, 912 01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:46.800 you will not be hard on the number. I mean, I'm going to 913 01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:50.399 trouble to flow to the guys in the tracker and a focusing padgets to say 914 01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:55.119 what's their own take? Is asked the question what's your own? Guys don't 915 01:24:55.159 --> 01:25:01.600 take as well? I mean the election, So what did you have on 916 01:25:01.800 --> 01:25:08.760 this? I mean, once elections are there one a most strives to consolutely 917 01:25:08.920 --> 01:25:13.760 power and how do you do that? Or you you know, did this 918 01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:20.159 much of my elections like that of collection of revenues from these market your mobilized 919 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:27.920 boys, you know, to inputs, your your wote that you're the one 920 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:31.079 in church of this parks you do that, Okay, what the w is 921 01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:38.199 braised in those places and you said, aspecting those guys because if you really 922 01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:43.119 want that, so colls revenues from those pieces, you have the entire instrumental 923 01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:49.199 speits to mobilize, you know, structures of frameworks. Expect similar Shasic college. 924 01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:55.119 Most times the guys who call it if you if you check the guys 925 01:25:55.159 --> 01:26:17.760 who are really able to pack the impacts on your packet. H true, 926 01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:21.680 I mean that's just that's not not not more to add. Look at Legosty, 927 01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:26.800 we say Lego city has got the biggest ig I didn't Legosty before the 928 01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:30.279 long when the army was there. Once that Legosa did well was this single 929 01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:35.479 college is ts C Lego long term ago tsa type account where even if you're 930 01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:39.399 paying for legos work, so you're paying for last month, you go to 931 01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:44.720 the bank and you pay before legos to you just they collect cash. But 932 01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:47.439 now you go to the bank and you pay. And that's that was the 933 01:26:47.560 --> 01:26:50.600 way of let's it enter the bank. If it's in the bank, we 934 01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:55.920 can then track it. Once you collect cash for anything, whether it's in 935 01:26:56.000 --> 01:27:00.319 America, or Nigeria. That cash is lost once you collect cash, trust 936 01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:03.359 me. So when once that cash is funible, it can't go anywhere. 937 01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:09.680 There's aty today is shoes. You can you can do your transactions without cash 938 01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:14.439 with SMS, even without a band. There's no excuse. Everyone has a 939 01:27:14.479 --> 01:27:16.119 phone. If you don't have a phone, you can do SMS. You 940 01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:19.520 don't have a bad account, you can make payments. So there's no excuse 941 01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:24.680 for any state, in any localment to be cutting cash from anybody. None. 942 01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:28.800 It's just in case we want to see the bit of it and give 943 01:27:28.840 --> 01:27:32.039 to their friends. But shure you've got the flowster, We'll still got track, 944 01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:34.920 We'll still got bullets it. And we're talking about the still the Steeds 945 01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:40.399 report. Talking about the report. You've heard them explain how they come about 946 01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:43.960 it. And we're trying to now ask questions if you guys have on how 947 01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:46.279 you guys can participate in the google they're doing. But I should go for 948 01:27:46.399 --> 01:28:10.279 it to question is this mister Innis who says sorry you have famous it's pronouncing 949 01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:15.039 you know the day? Is this I noticed when you say that, miss 950 01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:24.720 that's the problem with prior prior prioritization that get prioritization of what should be done. 951 01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:33.479 Now you notice the states that doesn't have good hospitals, good God of 952 01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:43.399 money are beauty church. The states that doesn't have good schools always has money 953 01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:51.039 to buy jyps for traditional rulers, keeps for also perseably members. How can 954 01:28:51.319 --> 01:29:04.199 we really emphasize that priority should be priority, what should be parity, what 955 01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:15.880 everything how to be created in social First of all, we don't care whether 956 01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:17.800 your revenue is big or small. Our business was being a good ship, 957 01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:24.239 our pictures was being good because before our schools was being okay. If you 958 01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:30.319 don't have money left, but you don't buy a car before hospital, you 959 01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:39.920 don't buy route for traditional arena before fixing our schools. You do bot a 960 01:29:40.119 --> 01:29:46.800 broadfall and what is it called? And training before making sure that we have 961 01:29:46.920 --> 01:29:53.159 medical equipments. This would give me and thinking that everybody was to this before 962 01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:56.600 you come do this. You know, I don't know if there's anything like 963 01:29:56.720 --> 01:30:00.880 that on ground one for that because we don't make it. Stay sticks as 964 01:30:02.520 --> 01:30:09.560 what I ask you, I want to okay, I think I'd like to 965 01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:15.239 speak on that. And that's one of the reasons why we do not superatize 966 01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:20.079 project tracking and one of the things we do is simplic education. Honestly, 967 01:30:20.319 --> 01:30:26.600 it's said too weak if a lot of times will be going to communities, 968 01:30:27.279 --> 01:30:34.920 and many times politicians also invest in what they feel will buy them good will 969 01:30:34.920 --> 01:30:42.239 you want and what they feel will get them re elected in the sacond way. 970 01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:48.359 People are also always looking for the quickest remote they can get. So 971 01:30:48.520 --> 01:30:53.319 if you go to your community as a politician, and you'll ask them, 972 01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:57.920 and we've seen a lot of instances like this, do you want to school, 973 01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:01.800 do you want us to renovate your health center? Or do you want 974 01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:09.960 any environment projects where we can share some cash and share some branding matches or 975 01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:15.000 so I'm telling you more than half of the people in that room who pick 976 01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:21.880 the environment projects. And that is why we've be's saying that environment projects take 977 01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:28.319 the kick when it comes to a lot of distance educational and health. There 978 01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:35.640 are investments that they do not guarantee quick returns. There are investments that the 979 01:31:35.760 --> 01:31:42.720 retails might take more than five years before you start see you, and so 980 01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:47.680 that is not enough time for impolitician that is a long time panditician who need 981 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:53.920 to good for either the next election cycle or at least need something to keep 982 01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:58.439 him in the good graces of people. So I think another thing we need 983 01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:05.520 to beyond us plan worry for the government to prioritize this spending. The government 984 01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:11.520 also want something that give them in office. So if there is if there 985 01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:15.560 is a what is it called, if there's a joint voice of citizens that 986 01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:19.119 this is what we want, trust me, it will actually be done. 987 01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:24.479 They are way to prioritize that that post. That is why you see that 988 01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:31.279 there's a lot of funding for traditional leaders for recently communic religious leaders. Why 989 01:32:31.359 --> 01:32:39.079 because the people vote vote sway. They would swear over words, community things 990 01:32:39.199 --> 01:32:42.359 and the decision of the communities, so they try to in by them. 991 01:32:42.479 --> 01:32:47.479 If the people did not have power, politicians will try to be settling input 992 01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:54.199 traditional leaders or community leaders or what have you, or usual leaders. So 993 01:32:54.359 --> 01:32:57.680 because so it is what if people are asking for that, they will give 994 01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:00.359 you. Basically that your your community is see for this, they'll give you 995 01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:02.800 this. If a committing request for that, they'll give you that. We 996 01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:08.399 have a situation in a body. I think it's good. The place is 997 01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:11.079 gone. I don't want to I don't know how to pronounce it. I'm 998 01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:16.159 something where the community has been suffering from They had a very bad room their 999 01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:20.960 talk for many years and in this last election side we had to educate them 1000 01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:25.960 that this is something that you have to tell your elected leaders that this is 1001 01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:29.720 a priority or you're not going to vote for them. It wasn't two waiting 1002 01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:32.760 if we tell this politician that you have to give us this or not vote 1003 01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:35.520 for you. But if we see the vote and in consit is going to 1004 01:33:35.600 --> 01:33:42.800 the letter community. But they're still to their chances and the politician actually aside 1005 01:33:42.840 --> 01:33:46.640 them, they give them demode. So we tried to say that even as 1006 01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:50.279 citizens, a lot of a lot of times we are shortsighted. And it's 1007 01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:55.800 also maybe because of the prevalence of the probactaries. I'd rather pick something that 1008 01:33:55.960 --> 01:34:03.520 I get right now, maybe five thousand our cash over and where I'm locating 1009 01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:08.199 and exactly where I'm not directed to remove. So there is this before the 1010 01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:13.720 educational constant. It's a big problem. But I think that puma also have 1011 01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:16.640 to come from these citizens. It is what the citizens demand that the government 1012 01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:20.840 is also going to prioritize. Thank you. To the point is if you 1013 01:34:20.920 --> 01:34:26.359 don't talk, if you don't put pressure, they'll build airport if you put 1014 01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:30.920 pressure, they'll put water pipes. You want water, talk that you want 1015 01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:33.800 water if you don't build their airport. True, you've put the floors and 1016 01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:45.239 go ahead. Job. It's a nice space. I have to come in. 1017 01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:51.520 Beautiful work you're doing all the especially giving and we've all been advocating for 1018 01:34:51.760 --> 01:35:01.760 some love transparency idea the government. Yeah, I listened to I listened to 1019 01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:06.640 Bastia's submission. I also listen to the restaurants from trying to first of all, 1020 01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:14.239 let's stop that appreciates you. This is something we needed, This is 1021 01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:19.640 something we are orgentially needed. You know. You know, the centralization of 1022 01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:30.000 demands on the Federal Republic or on the government of the federation is usually overburdened. 1023 01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:33.640 You understand. Nigerians just go out most of the times to critter the 1024 01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:40.760 federation rather than actually looking into the estates, you know, looking into their 1025 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:44.560 local governments, you know, undergrass roots et cetera. So, yeah, 1026 01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:50.640 this is very very welcome developments because now it's opens up a whole lots, 1027 01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:57.159 you know, in terms of little details that we often overlook as people. 1028 01:35:57.279 --> 01:35:59.840 You know, we now know who to address, who to question you. 1029 01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:09.640 You can also you know, with the live feedbacks or the prioritizing prioritizing updates 1030 01:36:09.720 --> 01:36:13.880 on feedbacks regarding projects that have been awarded. You know, the people can 1031 01:36:13.880 --> 01:36:19.960 actually give scuse with regards to this and particularly know whom to question should things 1032 01:36:20.119 --> 01:36:27.199 goes south. Yeah, So that's that's one very credible advancement. Then, 1033 01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:31.760 as regarding what Virtue asked, I'll still have to take us back to the 1034 01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:38.359 rule of law. I think if the rule of law is more realis more 1035 01:36:38.479 --> 01:36:43.199 rigid, is more more steady, more practicable, than a whole lot of 1036 01:36:44.479 --> 01:36:49.399 uh misappropriation would be put into check. Yeah. And another thing, as 1037 01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:54.880 track I had mentioned, is the concerns of the people. You know, 1038 01:36:55.000 --> 01:37:00.239 you actually have to be indicating where it's speech in you for you know, 1039 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:03.319 people to be away, yet it's pitching you here and willed to address it, 1040 01:37:04.239 --> 01:37:09.239 you understand. So yeah, that that's very very necessary. As adizing 1041 01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:17.159 uh allocating, it's just so sad like dragon that are given those facts regarding 1042 01:37:17.239 --> 01:37:21.800 their education is not future prioritize because people look forward to returns and to be 1043 01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:26.439 honest, when we've been an education for critism and you look at an aggregan 1044 01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:30.319 system and you ask yourself how many graduates can they actually humble? How many 1045 01:37:30.520 --> 01:37:35.840 graduates can they actually engage? So most times when you come up with education, 1046 01:37:36.039 --> 01:37:40.439 it's like, uh, that's something that's not priority. Well, in 1047 01:37:40.640 --> 01:37:46.279 real sense, it's actually is key priority alongside healthcare. Yeah, so I 1048 01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:51.279 also I checked out that that's from the draft of paid so much. Let 1049 01:37:51.319 --> 01:37:59.720 me get you to land true go ahead? Yeah, okay, Actually those 1050 01:38:00.239 --> 01:38:03.920 from the track of page. And I saw projects you know that I'm ongoing. 1051 01:38:04.039 --> 01:38:12.199 For instance, I saw education empowerment programs for people regarding officially in both 1052 01:38:12.319 --> 01:38:16.079 operations and things like that. Yeah, that's pretty cool, but it's also 1053 01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:20.399 gonna be real nice if we can get feedbacks on this project. You see, 1054 01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:25.920 most times in Nigeria, to be honest, our news are not usually 1055 01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:30.640 complete. It's always news. Use news. News needs that then follow ups 1056 01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:35.359 very very minimum. Is like a situation where we need news and then we 1057 01:38:35.479 --> 01:38:39.680 actually have to fix dates with people and call them back and say, hey, 1058 01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:42.800 we fixed the dates with you. How far with this project? Like 1059 01:38:43.239 --> 01:38:46.279 what have you achieved in terms of better men for likely food of people and 1060 01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:51.159 the interfederation? So yeah, I would commend, but then yeah, we 1061 01:38:51.279 --> 01:38:57.439 need to fiedbacks, We need recurrent updates to we get matters not just updates 1062 01:38:57.479 --> 01:39:03.039 are where the stand, but you know physical effects regarding the standard of life 1063 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:08.880 around where they've been implemented. You know, advancements and so and so. 1064 01:39:10.279 --> 01:39:14.680 Thank you, good points there, I hear you. Thanks for pull. 1065 01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:16.239 No, guys, what about testaments to go and go? Let the track 1066 01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:19.319 guys go and Georgia weekends about less than Testaments to go and then will call 1067 01:39:19.399 --> 01:39:23.560 today. So let me get I'm I'm at the floor right here, go 1068 01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:25.520 for it. I mean, I mean, are you are you an old 1069 01:39:25.600 --> 01:39:29.600 boy? It was like you're an animates guy. I'm mean go ahead. 1070 01:39:30.279 --> 01:40:02.119 Oh h h yeah, it's you. So my own question because I'm more 1071 01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:10.960 over you know, I mean, I'm not an advocate of states if you're 1072 01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:15.960 opin their own governors in your own states particular like become see if we really 1073 01:40:16.079 --> 01:40:20.399 get attention to the states, we know that that's where most of the collective 1074 01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:27.680 efforts are mentally to be experienced. But we are not paying attention to the 1075 01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:30.680 state. And sometimes if I see people comment, I will just be laughing. 1076 01:40:32.039 --> 01:40:34.920 We are joking with a lot of things. Now, my own question 1077 01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:43.000 is easy that because I would say something I won't try and said earlier that 1078 01:40:43.319 --> 01:40:47.720 people believe that, Okay, educational heralds are long term through the people always 1079 01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:51.479 are okay, okay, it's something I want to see that immediately, so 1080 01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:56.119 I know people are always okay. I want to get it done. I 1081 01:40:56.239 --> 01:41:00.399 want what can I get from this, you know, political or right now, 1082 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:05.720 because I cant term for the fact that something actually for instance, I 1083 01:41:05.840 --> 01:41:12.520 know the colleague of mind Mingle and I grew up legers and negress that you 1084 01:41:12.600 --> 01:41:17.399 know, we never even have anything to work in the stake at for something 1085 01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:23.279 actually put on some thely you know, and I can vouch for like almost 1086 01:41:23.399 --> 01:41:28.079 like twenty people ten people who are trying to went through the secondary school and 1087 01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:33.319 you know, proceed to the state university across the Nigeria institution. All they 1088 01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:38.279 need to like is, you know, maintain a good rate and they get 1089 01:41:38.439 --> 01:41:42.319 paid for their school fee. I mean just for them to you know, 1090 01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:46.119 focus on their study and really come up with good Really as long as you 1091 01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:49.399 can come up with good rate, you know, to have the tendency to 1092 01:41:49.800 --> 01:41:54.359 really key into something of the beneficial for you as a farm. Because I 1093 01:41:54.439 --> 01:42:00.159 have the forstance throughout my mind, you know, unerstic you know they is 1094 01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:06.680 every year get paid. During my time that was almost and it's more like 1095 01:42:06.760 --> 01:42:12.479 a rainbowment. As long as you know you get it on marriage into exams. 1096 01:42:12.520 --> 01:42:17.760 And that is for the states across all the federation as long as you 1097 01:42:17.800 --> 01:42:23.600 are illegalship. Let me tell you this simple act is a long term investment. 1098 01:42:24.560 --> 01:42:28.760 The governors or the state government doesn't have to go and needs people to 1099 01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:34.319 know that this is what they need to do. But surely we fail to 1100 01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:42.680 understand something now that they tends it by many politicians knows that these people, 1101 01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:46.800 they know the way of the people. They don't even need to go to 1102 01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:53.600 that place. Yeah they can actually ask, but they need to be visionary 1103 01:42:53.720 --> 01:43:00.119 themselves about certain projects they have to bring to a place. What particular thing 1104 01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:03.439 is that people need and don't want to really develop that place. And I 1105 01:43:03.479 --> 01:43:08.880 can tell you, for instance, in most of the community now that you 1106 01:43:09.079 --> 01:43:15.720 can virtually see or have someone while in every household who is doing is trying 1107 01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:19.760 to pull the second person in that family out. So it's it's more I 1108 01:43:19.880 --> 01:43:28.000 still prioritize human development, even if governments can be able to put more of 1109 01:43:28.119 --> 01:43:33.159 your effort in that human mean human developments. You know all, I believe 1110 01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:38.960 that's so many things change. So how are these people funny? Who are 1111 01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:43.560 the templates? I wish they they're going to use to run each of the 1112 01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:49.079 states. We can't do something, you know, I meant, I mean, 1113 01:43:49.119 --> 01:43:54.439 I'll be sure to get your question. Are you are you asking the 1114 01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:58.479 tempic for the governors or the elected? Who does declared? If you can 1115 01:43:58.520 --> 01:44:14.680 give me one? But is that? What is that for us to answer? 1116 01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:30.800 Is that? Okay? Okay? What I got from that was in 1117 01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:34.920 terms of tracking their promises. And I'm sure if I'm if I got that 1118 01:44:35.079 --> 01:44:40.079 right. If if a god says I'm going to build the road as a 1119 01:44:40.159 --> 01:44:44.159 promise and he gets into office, I don't usually look at a problems, 1120 01:44:44.159 --> 01:44:47.520 look at the budgets he has said he wants to he implements or the pursy 1121 01:44:47.600 --> 01:44:51.079 formulates to implement his promise. If you don't see that, that's the first 1122 01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:55.279 thing that you know, Okay, this is already off. If you compare 1123 01:44:55.680 --> 01:44:59.920 specifically, if you compare the go and download the whole agenda of the president, 1124 01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:02.199 compare what is said about that? Can we did a space so they 1125 01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:06.119 we did, we wrote about it. Compare that with the budget that has 1126 01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:12.079 been released right now. There's no correlation with the building a huge housing stock. 1127 01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:15.279 We did the coupling the benchmark from the oil pride. It's so different 1128 01:45:15.840 --> 01:45:19.760 what was in the whole agenda and what's in this budget right now. So 1129 01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:23.760 maybe that's what you're saying. But I'm just just agreeing with you that we 1130 01:45:23.880 --> 01:45:26.640 have you have to hope put to account at the very beginning. If bo 1131 01:45:26.760 --> 01:45:30.640 gets away with saying things, I'm not doing it, we suffer. So 1132 01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:32.239 in a way, I'm agreeing with your noney. You've got the flow noney 1133 01:45:32.359 --> 01:45:39.159 line of money. Hey, go for it. Got about how about fifty 1134 01:45:39.199 --> 01:46:02.239 minutes ago? Go ahead, talk about I think of that politics. Politics 1135 01:46:02.279 --> 01:46:05.840 are actually different. It's it's it's the game on its own, like for 1136 01:46:05.960 --> 01:46:11.039 the kids. One number of state man numbers is one very funny state that 1137 01:46:11.039 --> 01:46:15.239 I remember visiting. And so they are trying babbles Oliver back and somebody actually 1138 01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:17.720 walked out to me and said, I had two people holding back. I 1139 01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:23.560 never believed back on the interior, but I got to understand that they are. 1140 01:46:23.680 --> 01:46:27.439 They are different. Whose politics have been relayed in these states, like 1141 01:46:27.560 --> 01:46:31.439 for example, my Anambrasty. They are setting people that are only setting markets, 1142 01:46:32.000 --> 01:46:38.560 that collect revenues from those markets, and those people have voice that work 1143 01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:43.720 for them. Not when it comes to elections. Those people that collect those 1144 01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:46.960 money, I can bet you that they are always the first people to go 1145 01:46:47.119 --> 01:46:51.800 to pulling units to boot. They are end meetings because that's social believing. 1146 01:46:53.239 --> 01:46:57.520 So any governor that comes in actually knows that is how these things work, 1147 01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:19.279 these persons and deliver about that for me. If then because question for you, 1148 01:47:19.880 --> 01:47:26.119 question question, question for question for you, questions for you, questions 1149 01:47:26.159 --> 01:47:30.479 for you, just to asking when people you wants to go this happened, 1150 01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:54.560 Yeah, this happened, this event. Yeah, people, I'm asking you. 1151 01:47:55.039 --> 01:48:00.760 I'm asking about my money. I'm asking about the how the the parks 1152 01:48:00.920 --> 01:48:04.560 paid the folks in power. I'm asked what I'm asked aboubout the I know 1153 01:48:04.600 --> 01:48:10.319 about the tax an amateur for walking, you have to pay poll tax. 1154 01:48:10.439 --> 01:48:15.000 I get that. I'm asking that when people was the governor, where people 1155 01:48:15.079 --> 01:48:20.239 going around most parks to collect money to give to the government. Yes, 1156 01:48:26.199 --> 01:49:00.439 actual money, money money. Person has to be able to trying to think 1157 01:49:00.520 --> 01:49:06.960 that you're thinking about re election. Yeah, when we're talking about the artising 1158 01:49:08.039 --> 01:49:14.159 that and I think the mentality of the people have actually the politics and I 1159 01:49:14.239 --> 01:49:24.840 remember having a meeting and we have to do it beauty center, church center, 1160 01:49:28.319 --> 01:49:42.119 just that you have to give to travel difficult actually because it was just 1161 01:49:42.520 --> 01:49:49.000 center. The big hospital there is your facilities project that was actually none. 1162 01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:53.920 I will ask the question, why would you offer trut in the church and 1163 01:49:54.039 --> 01:49:57.760 the health center. Don't you like you do? If you don't, let 1164 01:49:57.920 --> 01:50:05.079 me let let let let let me learn. I know, I know I 1165 01:50:05.239 --> 01:50:10.560 got you, I got you. I must saying you opened, I must 1166 01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:15.079 say you offered. I'm saying that if you tell a Nigerian church or money, 1167 01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:17.800 if you choose money, you're a devil. So it's a wrong choice. 1168 01:50:17.960 --> 01:50:21.520 That's making a joke right there that if you're asking Nigerian to choose to 1169 01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:26.520 church and going anywhere, if you choose you after that is you're a devil 1170 01:50:26.600 --> 01:50:30.359 worshiper. So it's in a way if you have such school or what I 1171 01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:34.560 want to include church everyone, it's like when they get married, they tell 1172 01:50:34.600 --> 01:50:38.079 the girl to go and take one and they put dollars, they put the 1173 01:50:38.199 --> 01:50:41.000 arrange, they put your I don't pick one, and the girl gonna pick 1174 01:50:41.079 --> 01:50:44.199 bible from the whole pile. You know, if you don't pick Bible, 1175 01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:46.640 why you say that your marriage is not going to be all that you you 1176 01:50:46.680 --> 01:51:03.760 know? So wonder head. Yeah, but let's let's drill this down. 1177 01:51:04.119 --> 01:51:11.880 But Lego state right has more of an entrenched pack. If you see this 1178 01:51:12.039 --> 01:51:17.039 Agborough packed collection thing, anyway, they clean the top a bit to where 1179 01:51:17.079 --> 01:51:21.119 it is now. I still insist that if you use technology, because who 1180 01:51:21.159 --> 01:51:25.960 is pain? The people are pain. If you use technology, you can 1181 01:51:26.039 --> 01:51:30.840 get around this motor pack whatever whatever whatever. Like I said, there's little 1182 01:51:30.279 --> 01:51:34.920 QR code where you receive all payments. I'm not saying you should not pay. 1183 01:51:35.800 --> 01:51:40.479 You can actually tell the person that you can pay, but you can 1184 01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:44.119 get ten percent or twenty percent or whatever it is collected. You can't do 1185 01:51:44.279 --> 01:51:47.520 that. But the point is that we all know that ninety percent is gone, 1186 01:51:47.720 --> 01:51:51.520 not I from ten percent. So that's my point. I agree with 1187 01:51:51.720 --> 01:51:56.199 the collector. Okay, if you collect a media will give you ten percent 1188 01:51:56.520 --> 01:52:01.600 or that's enough for you. But to say your best date is making more 1189 01:52:01.720 --> 01:52:06.000 idea than number states, on the face of it is a joke and we 1190 01:52:06.119 --> 01:52:13.439 all know it. So that's it's fun. Number to six that okay, 1191 01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:36.680 unity and antech an tech using tech, I mean we have tech. So 1192 01:52:36.800 --> 01:52:43.680 you thanks so much, guys. Thanks welmost running up, I've got think 1193 01:52:44.119 --> 01:52:47.560 think right. Your hand is up to go ahead. We've got about go 1194 01:52:47.560 --> 01:52:51.720 ahead. Think right, and now on the floor for the think good for 1195 01:52:51.880 --> 01:53:01.039 go ahead. Your holder is very looser. Think think. Let me get 1196 01:53:01.079 --> 01:53:10.239 Google Google go ahead. Okay, thank you, yeah, thank you very 1197 01:53:11.840 --> 01:53:17.119 space really happy. I'm always happy to talk about the country that comes from. 1198 01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:26.239 For I would like to just make a few comments and asking you a 1199 01:53:26.279 --> 01:53:29.720 few questions, but I'll be very brief. First of all, is the 1200 01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:35.760 role of insurance in the Nigerian economy, what it makes use at this point, 1201 01:53:36.239 --> 01:53:42.560 seeing how businesses are collapsing and closing, to actually look at recapitalizing the 1202 01:53:42.640 --> 01:53:47.520 insurance industry to see how we can we need to get some of the challenges 1203 01:53:47.600 --> 01:53:54.199 that businesses are facing, and of course the three of the capital for other 1204 01:53:54.359 --> 01:54:03.119 things that once. Secondly, look at the possibility of accountability that is not 1205 01:54:03.239 --> 01:54:08.560 within our power, but I think work to the largest and if we can 1206 01:54:08.680 --> 01:54:14.159 get more Nigerians to get involved with I won't say politics, although you cannot 1207 01:54:14.199 --> 01:54:17.479 separate politics from the economy, and that's why it was political economy before. 1208 01:54:17.560 --> 01:54:21.960 Now it's through this. If long get the politics right, weever difficult to 1209 01:54:23.039 --> 01:54:28.000 get the economy and getting politics rights doing things are gone in Nigeria. Now. 1210 01:54:28.319 --> 01:54:31.279 We cannot abandon the country. We just have to keep doing our best. 1211 01:54:31.359 --> 01:54:34.800 And how do we do our best? I think we should create a 1212 01:54:34.880 --> 01:54:40.119 mechanism to let the police gupers know that they have to be accountable to the 1213 01:54:40.199 --> 01:54:45.840 people. They have to make sure that the public office is held for public 1214 01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:50.079 books. Okay. I don't know whether polician answers together to talk about the 1215 01:54:50.119 --> 01:54:55.000 average Nigeria. I don't know whether as they start together to ask themselves, 1216 01:54:55.359 --> 01:54:58.079 how do we put people out of poverty? And when I say that, 1217 01:54:58.479 --> 01:55:08.239 I mean genuinely because most about to get on the table. You know about 1218 01:55:08.600 --> 01:55:13.960 more important things like health and education and things. So how to improve the 1219 01:55:14.000 --> 01:55:17.920 quality of life and the great new realities people? That is what through in 1220 01:55:18.000 --> 01:55:24.439 responsible countries. So to be honest with you Google, to be honest to 1221 01:55:24.439 --> 01:55:28.760 shoot Google right. I think politicians everywhere are the same. I've never seen 1222 01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:34.319 a political system. I know in America they collect bribes. THEO in America 1223 01:55:34.439 --> 01:55:41.640 collect bribes. Partians collect bribe. They get into office quote unquote average guys, 1224 01:55:41.960 --> 01:55:45.520 they leave multi million years. But the difference, I think again is 1225 01:55:45.560 --> 01:55:51.720 the institutionality of how America works. How if you are caught with dollars in 1226 01:55:51.840 --> 01:55:57.560 your bader on video, you are dolf. That's a difference there. And 1227 01:55:57.680 --> 01:56:00.279 yet you can collect lobbing, you can take being with the collars. They're 1228 01:56:00.279 --> 01:56:03.439 really cause of their own bride. They call it law being right. But 1229 01:56:03.760 --> 01:56:09.399 if you are caught with free with dollars in your fridge, you have don't 1230 01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:12.439 here, you cannot you can be seen. They said, if you show 1231 01:56:12.520 --> 01:56:15.760 us a video or people taking money from the CB and vote, But who 1232 01:56:15.840 --> 01:56:20.239 said what he said? So it was the voters that said this. If 1233 01:56:20.279 --> 01:56:24.800 you show us a video of the guy taking doors from there and the guy 1234 01:56:24.960 --> 01:56:29.880 true Treu went to CBN and took to the trade trillion ay because you guys 1235 01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:33.800 told so. I don't think it's the difference is they take if you do 1236 01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:39.000 stuff there, you are done for. Here you're not done for. So 1237 01:56:39.199 --> 01:56:43.239 if I was, if I was a politician, why wouldn't I print tonsarde 1238 01:56:43.279 --> 01:56:47.279 trillion? If I'm the president tomorrow, I will print one hundred trillion and 1239 01:56:47.680 --> 01:56:51.680 start to spend you guys can be crying, I will spend it in this 1240 01:56:51.960 --> 01:56:55.640 this then arrest me that I didn't build the road, but I'll build the 1241 01:56:55.720 --> 01:56:58.119 roads and the rest. So this is the thing about Nigeria. You know, 1242 01:56:58.239 --> 01:57:01.640 we we want to copy, you know, but we don't have institutions. 1243 01:57:01.680 --> 01:57:05.279 Today. I'm a bit afraid. Today in Nigeria is the day we 1244 01:57:05.439 --> 01:57:10.439 arrestaurant that has mount Then I would say, oh, but this person did 1245 01:57:10.520 --> 01:57:12.239 this, Now what happened to him? Well, that person did this? 1246 01:57:12.319 --> 01:57:14.840 Now what happened to him? They have to say, oh, that was 1247 01:57:14.920 --> 01:57:17.680 because of I want to see what will happen? How will ravel or rap? 1248 01:57:17.760 --> 01:57:20.079 Most of these things would have said that. Okay, in the country 1249 01:57:20.479 --> 01:57:28.560 where you know the impunity is, it's this this incentive, this incentive. 1250 01:57:29.079 --> 01:57:34.439 If you want to invest in the country where contracts are not should we say 1251 01:57:34.560 --> 01:57:39.640 adhere to where the particular class can do and don't do. It's a big, 1252 01:57:39.720 --> 01:57:43.359 big, big risk for you. Where you can invest money and tomorrow 1253 01:57:43.439 --> 01:57:45.439 the government can create a new law. Not in the new law just close 1254 01:57:45.479 --> 01:57:49.840 down the business by feat why would you invest? And this is the point 1255 01:57:49.880 --> 01:57:53.760 you're making yoursel on the second part, you know, So it is the 1256 01:57:53.920 --> 01:57:58.840 insurance against governments. The insurance when it's government insurance, I ensure your visits 1257 01:57:58.840 --> 01:58:01.399 that youve government persed new policy, will pay you back. That's a very 1258 01:58:01.479 --> 01:58:06.560 very good insurance policy to ensure your this against government's policy. But they are 1259 01:58:06.560 --> 01:58:12.000 apart from that. Nas don't buy insurance. We have life insurance insurance. 1260 01:58:12.239 --> 01:58:15.159 Just buy auto because by police, they don't buy life insurance. It fair 1261 01:58:15.239 --> 01:58:19.000 to pray and hope that they will not die. We're all going to die, 1262 01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:23.399 but nobody buys life insurance. That means it's so simple they're going to 1263 01:58:23.439 --> 01:58:26.920 die. Since in the age buy life insurance when you're younger. Once you 1264 01:58:27.039 --> 01:58:30.880 buy life insurance, you instantly have that access. Insurance is the only product 1265 01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:38.079 that you can pay in Nyra and get a million guaranteed god ran seed. 1266 01:58:38.680 --> 01:58:41.479 But no one does it because if you buy life insurance, that means you 1267 01:58:41.560 --> 01:58:43.760 have print that you die, and we don't put that. We want to 1268 01:58:44.159 --> 01:58:47.239 live in a name and well we laugh, but that's how we look at 1269 01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:51.399 it. Don't write it will, don't do estate planet because you are inviting 1270 01:58:51.439 --> 01:58:55.399 a demonl of debt to your heart. That isn't that will. So let's 1271 01:58:55.439 --> 01:58:57.760 us hold. So we have to change a bit of mind. It's not 1272 01:58:57.840 --> 01:59:01.520 to hold the governments account, but this the individual Nigeria and has got to 1273 01:59:01.600 --> 01:59:06.279 be a bit more to demand more and our own selves change our own selves. 1274 01:59:06.359 --> 01:59:10.520 Might not to say government did this, goverment did that? Our own 1275 01:59:10.600 --> 01:59:13.479 selves. You know what are we doing about ourselves? We are the ones 1276 01:59:13.520 --> 01:59:15.760 that said stake the money from the CB and we'll see votes for you I 1277 01:59:15.800 --> 01:59:30.920 need from the CPN. So let's just get the last folks here. We 1278 01:59:30.039 --> 01:59:35.239 hold the spaces. We hold the spaces every Sunday, seven pm, wet 1279 01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:39.880 up again time. All things being equal, next week we're gonna do FX. 1280 01:59:39.920 --> 01:59:42.600 We're gonna do. That's what we're gonna do. Export, all things 1281 01:59:43.079 --> 01:59:45.199 being equal, let me the last one. So I'm going on to these 1282 01:59:45.239 --> 01:59:47.680 they track our folks to go and just kill it. This so the last 1283 01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:51.000 things we're going to be. I wasn't I go to go ahead, I 1284 01:59:51.159 --> 02:00:03.279 go to sorry all the time. And the measures gross domestic happiness not all 1285 02:00:03.359 --> 02:00:09.479 these idea atys. And it was so fascinating as the financing to see how 1286 02:00:09.560 --> 02:00:15.000 long we start thinking about gross domestic happiness the country financially developed there. So 1287 02:00:15.119 --> 02:00:19.079 I was not from delta states. So I was looking at that idea and 1288 02:00:19.159 --> 02:00:23.640 I was saying, well, look at the auto sets. They didn't do 1289 02:00:23.960 --> 02:00:27.600 more, they didn't do bad. Then I looked at the gates I had 1290 02:00:27.800 --> 02:00:32.800 stuck, and I remember gross domestic happiness we have. Delata State is arguably 1291 02:00:33.239 --> 02:00:38.640 one of the states with the highest depressed people. So one of those idea, 1292 02:00:38.720 --> 02:00:43.840 I was saying, a bunch of concom both stories. We are depressing 1293 02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:46.920 Auto states. Nothing books, no road works. I look at our track. 1294 02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:53.640 Let them do more. Starting Juta states did nothing nothing, absolutely books. 1295 02:00:53.680 --> 02:00:59.239 So maybe idea is not a good measure of things of the canomic development. 1296 02:00:59.600 --> 02:01:03.199 Maybe you start going to all those countries to see how the major growth 1297 02:01:03.279 --> 02:01:13.880 domestic happiness to really development. Because of the economists, I need to speak 1298 02:01:14.680 --> 02:01:21.640 what you're doing, do you because they've decided growth domestic happiness versus idea. 1299 02:01:23.159 --> 02:01:29.880 I just wanted to I think I don't know, I've just exaggerated it. 1300 02:01:30.279 --> 02:01:35.000 But our deaths, it's thinking us and mismanagement like it's sad. Anyways, 1301 02:01:36.359 --> 02:01:40.840 thank you, and not to not to put what on your butan comments, 1302 02:01:40.840 --> 02:01:44.239 but that's not a country. All this quote and quote not remember will say 1303 02:01:44.319 --> 02:01:46.920 quids of trouble. But Butan is a unique country. You know, small 1304 02:01:47.640 --> 02:01:54.119 tighten it very esoteric, so I would understand why they would call the happiness. 1305 02:01:54.479 --> 02:01:59.000 I mean, GDP is one of the many ways you can measure economic 1306 02:01:59.079 --> 02:02:01.399 growth. That's g N right. You can measure water supply like Tracker has 1307 02:02:01.479 --> 02:02:05.000 done. I'm sorry reporters don't the states of state that focuses on health. 1308 02:02:05.359 --> 02:02:10.680 And he did mention that you know, looking at health and education as investments. 1309 02:02:11.199 --> 02:02:15.520 I just look at educations and investments and helpers cost. But you need 1310 02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:18.800 to saying, listen, health and education. I really do know the stimulants, 1311 02:02:19.000 --> 02:02:23.760 you know, the things that you put that put that allow that state 1312 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:27.439 to then grow and develop. So we have still like a kitty not investing 1313 02:02:27.439 --> 02:02:30.479 in education. That's what's coming up now in a row. So I get 1314 02:02:30.560 --> 02:02:32.760 to a point completely, and I want maybe someone from Tracker can come up 1315 02:02:33.039 --> 02:02:38.279 and answer the point about data state and not being tracked as from data don't 1316 02:02:38.319 --> 02:02:42.439 look good lots of income, but I think there are number three in terms 1317 02:02:42.479 --> 02:02:47.199 of the ostability, and the data balanches is not balancing. So I know, 1318 02:02:47.239 --> 02:02:51.720 if I'm any or Tracker or anyone from girls give us a point about 1319 02:02:51.760 --> 02:02:59.800 the data states that will maybe closed the space out on them. Anyone trying 1320 02:02:59.840 --> 02:03:03.399 to up I would like something from but I say track out, you know, 1321 02:03:03.479 --> 02:03:11.960 anyone, just give us a word on on data. No one taking 1322 02:03:13.439 --> 02:03:46.079 once you need Thanks for your film, Yeah, commune, like you said, 1323 02:03:56.119 --> 02:04:00.960 I think you went off in it is dropped off. So let me 1324 02:04:00.039 --> 02:04:09.960 miss solution. Yea question. I think the point she was making was that 1325 02:04:10.279 --> 02:04:14.840 she went to Bhutan and they were tracking across domestic happiness. I think over 1326 02:04:14.840 --> 02:04:18.920 all points is that just focusing on GDP or I g R might not capture 1327 02:04:18.960 --> 02:04:24.399 the full spectrum of how the society is living. You know, I could 1328 02:04:24.439 --> 02:04:28.680 have a very very high GDP and be unhappy. Then she went specific that 1329 02:04:28.880 --> 02:04:32.399 in Delta State, Delta folks are unhappy. They have a lot of revenue. 1330 02:04:32.439 --> 02:04:38.239 IG is high, but debt is high to set trackers normally tracking Delta 1331 02:04:38.359 --> 02:04:41.960 State. Those are the comments around there. I've got a shown back, 1332 02:04:41.960 --> 02:04:56.760 I've got you. You're gonna take it off, please go ahead. What's 1333 02:04:56.800 --> 02:05:00.840 the difference. What's the difference to us? Tell us difference that we could 1334 02:05:00.840 --> 02:05:05.800 follow. Okay, So growth national income measures how much people earn, you 1335 02:05:05.920 --> 02:05:11.960 know, on our average, how much is earned by you know, all 1336 02:05:12.039 --> 02:05:16.000 the number of workers and later outputs in a particular country, as opposed to 1337 02:05:16.399 --> 02:05:21.680 roothmestic for aucts that looks at so these are very simplifying definitions and opposed to 1338 02:05:21.800 --> 02:05:27.479 gly looks at how much has been produced and how much it is worth. 1339 02:05:28.239 --> 02:05:32.079 So I get you know, her issue with aloys looking at GDP and you 1340 02:05:32.159 --> 02:05:35.479 know, to a real large extent, a lot of scholarship has been trying 1341 02:05:35.520 --> 02:05:40.159 to move away from GDD. One of the reasons being that, you know, 1342 02:05:40.600 --> 02:05:45.000 growth has been said having limits for technical conversations the day. So the 1343 02:05:45.399 --> 02:05:53.039 idea is for citizens to really define what they want and this is what federalism 1344 02:05:53.439 --> 02:05:58.960 was meant to answer. Someone mentioned this earlier that when we practicing the ideas, 1345 02:05:58.960 --> 02:06:00.960 speaking about of the realis really think about a different Back in our history. 1346 02:06:01.000 --> 02:06:05.520 You say that all the states in Niger were creations of military governments. 1347 02:06:05.920 --> 02:06:11.840 There were not creations of symphony of civilian governments. So for me, that's 1348 02:06:11.960 --> 02:06:16.359 kind of interesting to say that would Nigeria be in Nigeria today if we did 1349 02:06:16.399 --> 02:06:20.319 not have you know, a military government that could create states of fiat, 1350 02:06:20.760 --> 02:06:26.159 you know, if we had to go through a constitutional process of creating states. 1351 02:06:26.319 --> 02:06:30.359 You know, this is not talk of like the midwords gnagion becoming a 1352 02:06:30.520 --> 02:06:32.319 becoming itself from the southwest. But you know, the States has really not 1353 02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:38.960 then today. So citizens need to be able to define for themselves what they 1354 02:06:39.079 --> 02:06:43.199 want, what is their future, what is their destiny? And it's meant 1355 02:06:43.319 --> 02:06:47.439 to be particulated through political parties. Physical parties are meant to be aggregations of 1356 02:06:47.640 --> 02:06:53.359 interest that are taking a step further and vira office you know, and you 1357 02:06:53.479 --> 02:07:00.399 know, and perhaps through appointmenticine what have you? So in an should like 1358 02:07:00.560 --> 02:07:06.600 sound saying that how do Deltons see themselves? Where do they see themselves being 1359 02:07:06.960 --> 02:07:13.760 in the next few years? And what type of politics or how can politics 1360 02:07:13.800 --> 02:07:16.640 answer that question? I think that's where, you know, the conversation needs 1361 02:07:16.640 --> 02:07:20.600 to start from. When be through political parties, would it be through campaigns, 1362 02:07:20.680 --> 02:07:26.920 will it be through advocacy? The issue is actually about advocating interests and 1363 02:07:27.000 --> 02:07:30.560 then going forward in that in that direction answers the question. It's just a 1364 02:07:30.680 --> 02:07:35.560 conversation starts with I think I think a great conversation to have around that. 1365 02:07:35.680 --> 02:07:44.560 She hits her points, yeah, shows back on that. Okay, So 1366 02:07:44.920 --> 02:07:47.680 guys, I'm going to go on called the day. Sadly, I think 1367 02:07:47.720 --> 02:08:03.239 we think look an iPhone, iPhone fifteen. Do you got to put the 1368 02:08:03.359 --> 02:08:09.880 rich and powerful? Yeah, yeah, I'm just thinking that so much down 1369 02:08:09.960 --> 02:08:13.960 to first thank you specifically for most in the space, and like I believe 1370 02:08:13.000 --> 02:08:18.039 that you don't grade work, go back to more people to us. Our 1371 02:08:18.119 --> 02:08:24.960 interests is the same play that public resources should work for the people and issuing 1372 02:08:24.199 --> 02:08:30.159 improve the quality of life. That's just all our mission that people should take 1373 02:08:30.279 --> 02:08:35.119 information and we certain to cover accountable. How ISBIS as you know we have 1374 02:08:37.479 --> 02:08:41.880 but it has like two fifty to sixty thousand followers. The reason more people 1375 02:08:41.920 --> 02:08:46.319 can hear our message follow the information we again, because that's only in the 1376 02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:50.199 way I don't know we can do the working punctry. We know we have 1377 02:08:50.880 --> 02:08:54.439 elections, we know we have sh nity list, but the only one is 1378 02:08:54.479 --> 02:08:56.720 that whatever we have right now, we have to make it work for us. 1379 02:08:56.880 --> 02:09:46.000 Because you can see that. Thank you sir. Just let me just 1380 02:09:46.079 --> 02:09:48.159 thank everyone of your team from Tracker to you, to everyone that has come 1381 02:09:48.279 --> 02:09:52.840 up here to speak and ask the questions. We do. Appreciated. We 1382 02:09:52.039 --> 02:09:56.960 are we have to be a data driven you know consumer, right and will 1383 02:09:56.000 --> 02:10:00.560 have to be the driven voters. And that's the whole idea. We have 1384 02:10:00.680 --> 02:10:05.880 to move from the complaints right to following up this GUIDs with data. You 1385 02:10:05.000 --> 02:10:09.680 have been given money to spend, Where did you spend it? You have 1386 02:10:09.840 --> 02:10:11.279 been giving the plan, you said you're going to do this, have you 1387 02:10:11.439 --> 02:10:16.399 done it? Why are you not spending money education when we have more money 1388 02:10:16.439 --> 02:10:20.880 than the other state. Why is that state not spending money on schools and 1389 02:10:20.000 --> 02:10:22.920 the other states in our region are spending money on schools. We have to 1390 02:10:24.039 --> 02:10:26.920 ask these questions to the politicians. We can't get angry. We have to 1391 02:10:28.119 --> 02:10:31.840 ask them and demand an answer, and what they don't answer, we go 1392 02:10:31.000 --> 02:10:35.560 vote for someone else. That's how it should be. We've got to hold 1393 02:10:35.039 --> 02:10:41.399 people to account, and it's always important that we hold people to account. 1394 02:10:41.479 --> 02:10:46.720 So don't complaints, don't say it's all over, don't despair, because in 1395 02:10:46.760 --> 02:10:48.600 the end, it's only here, this only in case we have right. 1396 02:10:50.000 --> 02:10:52.640 So that's basically it. So, guys, thank you so much for spending 1397 02:10:52.720 --> 02:10:56.800 time with us this evening A said, we're always here every Sunday, set 1398 02:10:56.840 --> 02:11:01.760 Opinion. We're talking money, their counting personal finance, and we're also trying 1399 02:11:01.760 --> 02:11:05.920 to make it personal, to break down that language to how we can understand 1400 02:11:05.920 --> 02:11:09.119 what's going on. We've heard a lot happening all through the week. The 1401 02:11:09.319 --> 02:11:11.920 four Ks, the plans that they have for the Forks are borrowing. Hopefully 1402 02:11:11.960 --> 02:11:16.159 we can talk about that as the months come ahead. But we also to 1403 02:11:16.279 --> 02:11:20.119 leave you it's more information that you came into the space, so you can 1404 02:11:20.199 --> 02:11:26.319 have those conversations and perhaps share with the show makers that you know, so 1405 02:11:26.640 --> 02:11:30.279 change can start to happen, right we have to grab it and we have 1406 02:11:30.399 --> 02:11:33.600 to change the narrative around the country. So Nadal, thank you so much, 1407 02:11:33.960 --> 02:11:37.159 but it's tracking the rest of the team. Shout you guys. Thanks 1408 02:11:37.199 --> 02:11:41.119 everyone that has listening today. I'll see you guys next week. Have a 1409 02:11:41.159 --> 02:11:48.239 good one and bye. Thank you so much, thank you very welcome. 1410 02:11:48.199 --> 02:11:48.960 Thank you Da