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is on till fight time. This
is Big Fight Weekend. Now here is

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your host, TJ. Reeves.
We get ready for a world title weekend

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that includes a showtime pb SE showdown
involving Roy Leno. You're gonna hear from

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him in a little bit on the
pod, two championship fights on the ESPN

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Top Rank show that is also coming
for this weekend in Stockton, California.

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We're ready to break all of it
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the cheery personality in the inside of
one. Dan Raphael, our insider from

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Big Fight Weekend and his Fight Freaks
Unite substack. I am merely the somewhat

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competent host Dan Rayphael back aboard for
another weekend, and we've got some intriguing

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title fights to go over here on
the program. How are things as we

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get into the preview mound, Things
are good. We got a nice weekend

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coming up. That's it's been a
little been a little sparse last couple of

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weeks. We did of Canello,
but there wasn't a much else that pretty

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much went the way we thought it
would go. So we got some interesting

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fights this weekend. We do some
fifty fifty fights potentially. By the way,

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I should mention that as part of
this weekend, it is my anniversary

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and those that had the under on
the Reeves marriage not lasting twenty seven and

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counting for missus Raeves, God love
her and missus Rayphael, you're approaching like

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number twenty, am I correct?
What have we done right to have women

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that have put up with this for
this long? Rayphael, we just had

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our nineteenth wedding anniversary, but we've
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we're closing and on the big two
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yes, and congratulations to missus Reeves
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antics, including all sports and boxing
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now and let's get into it. Showtime

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PBC card that we're interested in,
which will be for the vacant WBA Junior

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Welterweight title in the main event from
Las Vegas, Role Romero, Rolando Role

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Romero and Ishmael but Rosso Venezuela originally
now fighting out of Miami from everything I

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can tell, all right, so
they will be the twelve round main event.

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This is the fight that obviously had
to be readjusted because of the positive

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drug test of Alberto Pio, who
is now out of the way. So

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Dan, give us more on this
one and we're gonna hear from Rolly Romero

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coming up. Folks stand by Dan's
conversation with him. But Dan first the

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insight on this one and the card, well, Rolly Romero was always the

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A side, if you will,
on this event, even when he was

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going to challenge Playo for the title. You know, he's the bigger name,

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He's got a bigger fan base,
he's the more outspoken guy. You

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know, he's they're fighting in his
hometown, which is Las Vegas. So

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when Alberto Po failed the drug test
for a PEG, the same fertility drug

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that we've discussed many times, that
was the same substance at Connor Ben tested

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positive for, he was disqualified from
the bout. Now, the process that

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the WBA is going through along with
the Nevada Commission, you know, it

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doesn't happen overnight, so it takes
a few weeks, maybe a month or

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longer for them to get to the
bottom line and to determine what they're going

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to do. My understanding is that, and I've talked to some people in

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the Playo camp, is that they
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They claim he was doing it actually
because him and his wife are trying

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to get pregnant, and I guess
it did work. I guess because they're

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having a baby, or maybe they
just had a baby. But in any

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event, even if he did it
for the right reasons, there's a couple

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of issues he had was one he
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he didn't ask for an exemption.
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for all the right reasons, he
theoretically could still have received a benefit from

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using that substance. So anyway,
they're dealing with that. So what the

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WBA did, And you know,
anybody that's known me or listening to me

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or read me for any length of
time know, as I'm sure had my

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issues over the years with the WBA. I mean, I don't need to

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rehash that. I believe in this
case they actually did the right thing amazingly.

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And the reason I say that is
because they didn't want to rush to

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a judgment, as they shouldn't.
They got to go through the process as

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well as then the vat a commission. So what they did was because they're

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out against doing interim titles. And
I've had numerous numerous private conversations and texts,

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exchanges, etc. With Gilberto Mondoza
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the WBA over the last you know, two years about it. I respect

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that they don't want to use the
interim title tag for this fighter for any

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other fight. Okay, that's good. I don't even have a problem using

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interim title if it's for a bonified
reason like this or an injury, but

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okay, be that as it may. So what they have done is they

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have utilized their in recess title,
which means they basically stripped the full world

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title from Puyo. They paid him
an in recess champion as they go through

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the process, which left the title
vacant. So they already had a fight

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set up for for Roli Romero.
So the next guy in line in the

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w BA was Ishmael Barroso, who
already was scheduled to box on this undercard

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to keep him busy and to keep
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they thought he would theoretically fight for
the title after this, so that was

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not a heavy lift to just move
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And PBC and TGB Promotions they actually
have done a tremendous job since the beginning

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of the pandemic to make sure that
if these incidents happened, whether it was

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back then it was really related to
COVID, but now it's pretty much whatever's

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going on is to have a reasonable
backup plan in case something happens to your

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main event, so you don't have
to cancel the card, and you know,

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and everybody pays the price for that. So the main event for Better

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for Worse now was Rolling Ramero versus
Barroso for this vacant title, and the

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winner in the WBA ruling that they
put out is going to have to fight

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O'Hara Davis, who was the next
guy that was supposed to fight for the

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title. They had outlined their their
mandatories back you know, when they went

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through this whole process, back when
the title vacancy was filled in the first

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place. So this fight will take
place, and it's actually, in my

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opinion, not a bad fight.
You know, we all know about Roller

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Rameo. He's a gun slinger,
but he's you know, he can box.

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Also, Barroso is maybe not the
most well known guy. He's an

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older fighter forty years old, but
he's got great punching power and he'll be

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in there to swing it and see
what happens. So from an action standpoint,

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well, I don't necessarily expect that
we're going to see twelve rounds out

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of this thing. I think we
could see some definite entertainment value, let's

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put it like that. So you
know, you can argue, by the

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way TJ the merit of whether Romero
should be involved in a world title fight.

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At this moment, he has not
fought as a junior welterweight. He

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is coming off of a one year
laoffs about fifty weeks layoff, just short

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of one year since his last bout, which was in fact a knockout loss

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in the sixth round against Servante Davis
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That's an argument for a different day, but from an entertainment value.

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As a boxing gan, I am
happy to see Roly Romero back in the

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ring. He's fighting Alberto Play over
the vagant title, I mean for his

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titles. That would be fine.
If he's fighting Barroso for this Veaguan title,

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as long as they follow the rules
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You know, I have no problem
with I think it's going to be

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And this is what I always believe
to be the most important thing when we

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discuss these matters. Is it going
to be an entertaining fight. My answer

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to that is it probably will be. Barroso, as I mentioned, he's

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got twenty four wins and twenty two
knockouts, He's also been knocked out two

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of his three losses, so it's
sort of like, uh, you know,

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knocked the guy out or get knocked
out yourself. He's won four fights

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in a row, you know.
And all I can say is not every

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fight is going to be one verses
two in a super fight, but you

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know, I'll take this and it
tops a pretty decent tripleheader, so we're

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all good. I'm all good with
it. And again we'll hear more from

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Role in just a few moments here
on the podcast. Again, back to

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Barosso, though he has not been
active recently, he only has a couple

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of fights in the last three years. One of them was almost two was

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over two years ago in January of
twenty twenty one, and it was a

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one round fight. And there are
some questions. I've read a couple of

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things about whether he is older than
forty years of age. He is listed

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at forty give or take. Then
again, forty is the new thirty.

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But he's actually fought more recently than
Role did. Role didn't. And again,

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like again, like you said,
how you fall then into being a

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division up, the number one guy, or at least in a title shot

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when you haven't fought since then.
Welcome, Welcome to the organization. So

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anyway, this is what we have. You've mentioned that we're going to have

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some fireworks we think here on this
card. Um certainly, Uh, it

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will be interesting as as the main
event we'll have. We'll have some intrigue

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there as part of that. Do
we want to hear from the man?

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Now you talk to him earlier in
the week. Do you want to hear

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a little bit from Roli Romero?
Well, I you know what he said,

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so we can let the audience here
from him. But why I found

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to be interesting about what? First
of all, Raleigh's a real when you

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when I've interviewed him a few times, He's a sort of like a happy,

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go lucky kind of guy. I'll
give the uh the rating if you're

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listening with your small children. Uh, Raleigh is I mean? I know,

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I I'll be the first woman.
I do drop a couple of bombs

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on the podcast once in a while, I know, but Raleigh makes me

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look like I have a very clean
mouth on me. So Raleigh likes the

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F word, So get used to
it for the next ten or twelve or

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fifteen minutes, however long the interview
ended up going and uh he does take

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uh liberties with his language. But
in any event, he shredded Albert Oquayo

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for the drug usage he got into. He got into, uh, you

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know, thoughts about the Javante fight
that he's coming off of, how he

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would like to have a rematch.
So we'll let the audience here and be

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aware of the f bombs. I
like what you said that you already know

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what he's gonna say. The rest
of us would like to know what Roly

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Romero is gonna say. So let's
listen in now as he gets ready to

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headline for showtime in PBC Saturday.
I'm gonna welcome to the podcast. This

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week we have Roley Romero a role. You've got a big fight coming up

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Saturday night on showtime in the main
event at the Cosmopolitan, your hometown of

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Las Vegas. You're taking on Ishmael
Barroso. I am told it will be

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for the vacant WBA title at one
hundred and forty pounds. You were supposed

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to fight Alberto Pueo for his title
in this fight. He had a positive

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drug test and got stripped of the
title, or is about to get stripped

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or put into recess. The WB, I guess is still going through their

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process, but very quickly. Then, what were your thoughts when you found

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out that your opponent had a positive
drug test? Well, I mean first

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thought sent me and anyone at tests
positive in combat sport or any sport,

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right, it is fucking sad and
there. But like in combat sports where

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like people's actual health is involved,
you know, like like I mean,

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you know, you go play basketball, right, I mean, what's the

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worse it's going to happen now your
knees are gonna hurt, or soccer you

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know you'll turn acl or something,
right, But in boxing people die?

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Are you gonna go test positive?
People at test positive? Should never box

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again? I don't give a fuck. I'm like and I'm like, obviously,

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like there there's there should be let
limits on on on certain things,

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you know, like it's for instance, you know, but like for like

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for like you know, performance enhancers. Oh no, you should never box

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again. Fuck that shit. Listen, I understand what you're no, no,

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no, no, that that's that's
our health, that's people's health.

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So when when you found out about
the change of opponents, you think your

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your your views on what happened with
Playo very clear when you got the word

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that you were going to now be
fighting Ishmael Barroso, who I guess was

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originally supposed to be on your undercard. What were your thoughts about making the

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opponent change just a few weeks ago. I mean I've had opponent's changed like

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like literally day of fight, you
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at this point, you know,
it's like whatever is boxing? Boxing?

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You know? Sure? So what
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mean, I've seen him fight a
few times. He's forty years old,

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he's got four wins in a row. He's record is twenty four to three

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and two. He does have twenty
two knockouts, so he's viewed too many

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as a good puncher. Crack he
can crack. Is that the biggest thing

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for you then? Is the power? Do you have to be wary of?

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He tricky? He does like these
short little like out nor he'll like

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go wide and out nerd like you. He some like zone people fight.

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He to stand there right for a
second. He to throw a short little

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left handing. Yeah, we like
that. So I know he can crack.

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I don't he can crack? Have
you watched much of them before,

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or are you just going on what
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No, no, no, no, I that's from what I see when

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he fought Okay, and so I
again, I guess they haven't made it

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official in terms of announcement as we
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But what is it? I guess
you're gonna be fighting for a world

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title. Well, I mean,
you used to have a WBA interim title.

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I remember we spoke after the WBA
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and I was interested in the viewpoint
of those guys that had been stripped and

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what you were one of the guys
I spoke to when you were sort of

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like not a big deal because your
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was merely a means to put yourself
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It appears now that you're in that
position to fight for a real title

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on Saturday, And so what are
your thoughts about getting a chance, maybe

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not against the reigning champion in playo, but at least for a real title.

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What are your thoughts about that?
Finally, after this length of time,

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I mean, I don't know no
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So I mean I fed his boored. I wanted to be world champion,

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and you know the world champion.
Does it make a difference to you

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that it's not against the reigning champion
that it may be for a vacant title.

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A guy is just a guy,
Okay, it's just a guy is

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just a guy. It's gonna be
your first fight in a couple of weeks,

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less than one year since you had
your pretty significant fight against Travann to

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Tank Davis uh an intriguing fight,
a fight that was highly competitive until he

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did get the knockout victory. I
wonder what was the biggest lessons that you

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took away from that defeat. I
should not have been at thirty five?

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No one, okay? Is that
right? That was a problem making one

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thirty five? I mean I just
shouldn't not have been there more. It's

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two and I try, I try
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that didn't happen, and you felt
what pressure to take it anyway because it

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was a great opportunity. Well,
look, I'm gonna tell you like this,

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how am I gonna call it?
Dude out call it dude out right,

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and I finally get him right him
complaint like, no, I'm gonna

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fight, you know, I'm and
I put everything that I had into you

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know, doing that. You know, so you're at You're at forty to

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stay now for the time at least
for the time being, right, this

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is your new home. I'm going
to forty seven, nine forties just uh,

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you know, just time for me. And it's chilling, and just

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go to forty seven after now,
when you go back and think about your

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fight with Tank, as I mentioned, you were highly competitive in that fight.

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I mean, yeah, you lost
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no means did he walk over you
at all? It was a real no

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no. I'm gonna tell you like
this, like I want every single round,

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and then I gave Tank the fight. Tank did him when I win

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the fight, at it for free. That's true constructive. So what I

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was gonna say to you is that
because of the way that you competed against

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him, however you thought it was
scored. I mean, you know,

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I'm not sure a lot of people
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certainly you won some rounds in the
fight without question. But the point I

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was going to make you roly is
this and a couple of weeks ago he

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had his huge fight with Ryan Garcia
and he's had a much more dominant performance

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against Ryan and then got the knockout
than he did against you. Before he

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got the knockout, it kind of
makes your loss to him age better look

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better. Do you look at it
like that at all? That it's like

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you know, you you you gave
him his best fight. Oh by far?

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I mean I by far going the
best fight. But I mean and

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and like I said that, that
does me not being so I mean,

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I don't want to like it really
compare like you know, obviously styles when

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you fights and stuff like that.
You know, but Ain't did a tremendous

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drop against Ryan, and he had
a good game time for Ryan, and

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it showed you know, yeah,
no doubt about it. Uh when you

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say you weren't one hundred percent for
the fight, is it was there more

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to it than just the fact that
you were struggling to make one hundred and

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thirty five pound weight limit or was
there something else that was giving you issues

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going into the fight with Tank.
It's a few things, but like it

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was, I feel like it was
just more of the way because like I

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just could not be at that weight
class. Okay, that's fair enough,

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trans I've got offers at that weight
class. I'm just like, fuck dash

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shit. But like I said,
like as far as like the Tank was

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Tank, i'man I was planning.
I'm moving up. Anyways, after after

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I fought, after I fought Sparrow, and then it was like, you

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know, I was like, okay, you know, I was like I

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got this opportunity. I was like, okay, I'm gonna fight ye right,

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all stuff right, and I and
then like all the bus got taken

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away, right, So I was
like, you know, I was I

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after after a fight, ye I
knew all the bus are gonna get taken

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with. So I was like,
I'm gonna mandatory for Tank, right,

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So I was like boom, so
if I fight, you know, yegget

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all stuff. But I knew even
after yeat right after you like during the

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fight with jigging out, it's just
like and you get the one waiting at

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a one hundred and forty point one
hundred forty point some shit, right,

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and I'm just like I'm like I'm
like I'm like in the back of just

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like man, fun I feel like
shit with the fight. I was like,

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man, I was like, I
was like, there's no I watched

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the fight where I beat the shit
out. One was like, why do

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I feel like? I was like, right it because my body felt like

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that. Right, And then they
took away the introbus, so I became

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mandatory for for for forderante. I
was like, why don't contacute out?

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Am I really gonna am? I
really gonna say like, I'm not gonna

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fight them. Hell no, I'm
gonna fight this motherfucker. Right. I

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was like, you know, because
like if I say I'm gonna do something,

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I do it. Well, I
was gonna saying you didn't. I

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mean, you may not have felt
great going to the Egot fight, but

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it sure didn't look that way in
terms of watching the fight because you were

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way high on you know, or
winning easily on the cards and then stopped

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him. Yeah, but that's the
same thing with Take Right a Benish album.

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But it doesn't mean I felt great. I feel horrible. I feel

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horrible that whole fight, Like that
whole fight, I felt horrible, and

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I'm just like, so it right, I mean so And then on top

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of that, right, the fight
got delayed, So I didn't fight for

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a damn near a year. Was
like eleven months or something like that,

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and you know what I mean,
And a lot of that, A lot

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of that time was honestly just me
sitting on my ass doing absolutely nothing because

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of it was ten months, by
the way, ten months between the you

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Get fight in the Davis fight.
Yeah, a little a little bit,

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a little bit more in ten months, a little bit more in ten months,

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and you know, I sat down
right and I just didn't do anything

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for a few months because, like
I you know, because I mean the

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obvious reasons. So you know,
I mean I was depressed why the fight

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had got delayed, you know,
because it was just I just felt like

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it was you know, it was
it was fucked up what had happened to

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me? You know. So so
and then I got I got bigger,

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and when I came back to the
camp brow, I'm like forty pounds over

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one thirty five, and I'm just
like what the I'm like, I mean,

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it was just like I was like, you knew I should have I

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knew I should have moved up to
forty you know. Well, you mentioned

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about the layoff between the yggin fight
and the Givanta fight. Now you're coming

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off of a year lay off,
it'll be about fifty weeks or so since

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your last fight against Tank. What
was the reason for this layoff? That?

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Why why didn't you have another fight
maybe at the end of last year

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or a little earlier this year.
Well, I mean I did get offered

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other fight opportunities, you know,
but like it was just like I just

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want with the best one, Okay, that's fair. And then like you

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know, on top of that,
right, the first I really like five

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months after you know, I had
Bidermanta, I just spent all the time

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in my life, right, just
fixing things in my life, and they

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fixed. Now, yeah, yeah, I fixed a lot. I'm glad

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to hear that. I don't know, King, I mean, I don't

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want to pry too much, but
could you man, you mentioned one or

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two things that you were trying to
deal with just uh more from a more

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from like a mature maturity standpoint,
you know, okay, um, and

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just you know, just being just
being an actual man, you know,

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growing becoming more of a man,
you know. Okay, good, I'm

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glad to hear that. And the
maturity you never hurt anybody. I'm gonna

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wrap it up with this the rollie, and I appreciate your time very much

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today. How much would it mean
to you? I mean, look you,

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I know you think you're gonna beat
Barosso, you're gonna win a world

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title. But how much would it
mean to you in the future. How

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much would you desire to have a
rematch with Tank Davis? Because, as

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I said, you probably gave him
his best fight before the sudden ending.

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Man that fights, it's not over
it, It's still gonna's gonna happen again.

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It's gonna have to happen again because
I'm you you really think me,

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I'm gonna just let him get away
with that. Well, for the folks

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that may just be hearing this,
I'm looking at you on a zoom call.

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They'll see that you have a big
smile on your face when you talk

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about the prospect of the Tank rematch. So I know you want that.

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I know you want that exactly all
right, Roley, I'll leave it at

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that, and I want to say
thank you so much for the time.

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I wish a great luck on Saturday
in your fight on Showtime against Ismael and

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Barroso and the best of luck to
you, Thank you, are you bet?

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There you go? The unofficial count
was twenty nine or six hundred and

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three on the f words they're on
that you were warned. Okay, we'll

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see if he can back it up. And again he's got power and has

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got knockouts, and as you mentioned, Barroso has got some power too.

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We'll see what we have in in
that main event and what the future is

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for the winner. Anything else of
note, I know you kind of rolled

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your eyes a little bit looking at
this undercard, but again in fairness,

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they had to adjust it because of
Puyo's failed drug test. But anyway,

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anything else on a card, I
mean, the undercard wasn't adjusted because of

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Puayo. The undercard was adjusted.
Actually Gary Antoine Russell was supposed to be

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on this undercard, but he is
no longer. He was going to fight,

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but any event, they just slipped
him into another opponent, but the

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co feature, which was the opening
fight, they moved up to the co

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feature because of what happened with Gary
Antoine. So in any event, it's

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Rancis Barthelomy who has won titles and
two weight classes. He's trying to win

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a title on a third way class. At some point he will be in

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a junior welterway fight against Omar Warrez
Barthelomy. He's a talented boxer, but

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honestly, I have found him to
be one of the more boring fighters that

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you can never find. He lives
up to the cliche of the Cuban boxer

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unfortunately. I mean again, he's
talented, just not my cup of tea

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at all. I mean, I
don't think he's anybody's cup of tea.

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In his last fight, he got
knocked up by Gary Anton Russell in the

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sixth round. He's now coming back. He's taking on Omar Warres. But

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Rancis is an older fighter at this
point a ton of amateur fights. Thirty

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seven officially and as a Cuban defector. Maybe he's a little older. You

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never can tell. Omar Warres is
more of the younger fighter that could still

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be on the upswing. He's only
twenty three years old, so it's twenty

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three verses thirty seven. He is
fourteen and one with five knockouts. He

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has won three fights in a row. He did lose. I guess you

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could call it an upset at the
time. In twenty twenty one against al

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Rivera. He will lost a majority
ten rounder. He's looked pretty decent since

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he's being some decent guys and guys
like Ryan Carr in Austin Delay. So

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this is sort of like that crossroads
ish kind of fight where you use that

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sort of terminology. If warez It
wants to get to the next level,

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he needs to take care of Barthelomy. Barthelomy is the old war horse trying

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to preserve his carayer, trying to
get another chance. You know, he's

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gonna have to beat this young guy
who doesn't have nearly the level experience that

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he does if he's gonna want to
move on. So from that standpoint,

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that storyline is intriguing. My question
is how's the action going to be in

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the ring, because, like I've
said, Barthelomy could uh, you know,

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put somebody that you know, he
makes watching paint dry look like an

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exciting activity at times. So but
I'll give it a chance. We'll see

409
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what happens with that. The opening
fight as a eliminator in the lightweight division,

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this would be a I don't know
if they're gonna they're not gonna get

411
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,559
the next shot, but it's in
the lightweight division, which is stacked up

412
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:52,880
with a lot of you know,
mandatories and undisputed with Devin against Lomachenko next

413
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:59,640
week at an event that's Beatier Akmadov
against Kenneth Simons Jr. Solid matchup,

414
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,359
I mean not. The biggest name
is Kenneth sims is a guy that if

415
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,759
you've watched Showbox for example, you've
seen him before. He was a really

416
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:08,359
top notch prospect. His record is
nineteen two and one. He's fought some

417
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,599
good guys. He's certainly sparred with
everybody. Got that kind of good amateur

418
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:15,680
background. I thought he was a
superb prospect when I first saw him few

419
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,359
years ago. He hit a couple
of a couple of bumps in the road,

420
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,440
had to draw with Montana Love a
few years ago on Showbox. In

421
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,359
any event, you know, he's
won a bunch of fights in a row

422
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:32,440
since previous upsets against Samuel Tay.
He's now back in business here against Akmadov

423
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,640
on this card. Akmadov was one
of these guys that had a huge amateur

424
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,960
background, and so when you look
at his record he's nine and two with

425
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,519
eight You're like, how was he
this advanced in these types of fights?

426
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:45,640
It's because of that amateur background.
He did have a loss against Mario Barrios

427
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,680
back for a secondary title in twenty
nineteen, a fight that I was at

428
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,480
which I and most people at ringside
thought he got absolutely hose in that fight.

429
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,559
So in my opinion, he should
have a win against Mario Barrios.

430
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,440
He lost a split decision to Alberto
Playo back in August. That was the

431
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,680
fight to decide the vacant title at
that moment, so he lost a very

432
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,400
close fight to playoffs. So he's
also a pretty good boxer. So him

433
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,680
and Sims, again we've said this
before, not the sexiest names, but

434
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,880
this actually is like a more intriguing
fight to me than that co feature we

435
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,759
just mentioned between Barthello, Me and
Oars, because at least Sim's and Akmedoff

436
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,960
sort of like they really still have
a chance to do something. And it's

437
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,359
really one of those kind of fights
where who the heck knows? I mean,

438
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,160
you know, who flip a coin? In my mind, I mean,

439
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,319
is that the smooth boxing of Sims
is the more aggression of Akmedov.

440
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,079
I just have no idea, and
so I am interested. I just hope

441
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,680
I'm still interested after like three or
four rounds, let's hope. So okay,

442
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,559
So there's the showtime PBC card.
Now, speaking to being interested,

443
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,839
I think there's more interest in the
ESPN Top Rank show that will be going

444
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,559
on in Stockton, California, and
that features Jannebec Alim Canoeley. Give me

445
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:53,720
five bonus points. I got it
right this time and they have to correct

446
00:28:53,720 --> 00:29:00,759
me against Stephen Butler for Alim Canoley's
WBO middleweight title. There's also a co

447
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,559
feature world title fight Jason Maloney,
one of the fighting Maloney twins is fighting

448
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:08,240
for the WBO's vacant bannomweight title,
and so we'll go to that fight in

449
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:11,880
a moment. But back to Jannebec. When last we saw him, you

450
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,599
and I really thought and most thought
he was going to dispose of Denzel Bentley

451
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:18,480
of England, but did not do
so, did not knock him out.

452
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,160
As it turns out, that fight
ends up going the route back in November.

453
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:29,160
So Jannebec is back. This is
the headlining fight ken Stephen Butler.

454
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:33,599
Hang in, I guess is the
real question. So thoughts on that one

455
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:38,240
in Northern California for Saturday night,
Dan, Well, we didn't necessarily think

456
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,119
that Denzel Bentley would hang in.
He did show a lot of heart and

457
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,720
he had won some rounds. He
lost, but he you know, he

458
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,799
if there's such a thing as a
good loss, Denzel Bentley certainly had that

459
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:55,039
against Jannebec. So the point is
whatever that you thought about the the knockout

460
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:56,599
run of Jannebec and the guy he
was just you know, the way he

461
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,279
was just you know, smashing guys
up over his last few fights, even

462
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,920
though he hadn't necessarily fought like the
big names like he had you know,

463
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,559
smoked Danny dignam in one round for
the interim title, then was elevated,

464
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:12,200
had battered and you know, knocked
out Hassan d Dam who as was a

465
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,480
former title there beat him up over
eight rounds. Had done the same thing

466
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:19,079
to Rob Brand who also was a
secondary title weather point as he was just

467
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:25,160
running through everybody and some decent names
goes twelve with Bentley, So a lot

468
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,160
of people were sort of down on
him at the very least. He made

469
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,480
the point in that fight against Bentley
that where some people at top rank and

470
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,079
his people that supported him were sort
of saying, you know, he's the

471
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:37,240
boogeyman. Everyone's gonna duck him.
Well, I don't think after the Denzel

472
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,319
Bentley fight anybody who was necessarily looking
to duck him. The problem is,

473
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:45,440
and it's not Jennebec's fault, is
that the middleweight division is garbage right now.

474
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,440
It's just a terrible waste land.
It's barren. It used to be

475
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,319
hot as hell because you had Kenelo
Alvarez and you had an Act of Charlot,

476
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,240
and you had a Triple G.
I mean, there was good fighters

477
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:59,000
patrolling one hundred and sixty pounds.
Demetris Andre was there with a lot of

478
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:00,799
talent, Danny Jake was there with
a lot of talent and winning fights.

479
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,480
He had Sergey Devernchenko that was staying
busy and been sort of significant fights.

480
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,759
At this point, though, you
know Jacobs has moved up, the Serge

481
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:12,000
Devernchenco is moving up for the fight
coming up against Mungi Amonggia moved up.

482
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,799
That's another guy that was in the
weight class. You know, Triple G

483
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,720
as semi retired, Charlo has been
out for two years on an on a

484
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:22,400
goost. Canelos left the division long
ago. So you're left with a barren

485
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,160
wasteline of a weight class where Charlot
has a belt but hasn't fought. Jennebec

486
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,000
has a title but no real big
name opposition. Triple G, you know,

487
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:32,599
vacated his due belts and his you
know, over forty and you know,

488
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:33,440
we don't know if we've seen the
last of them. You know,

489
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,240
they've got ARISONI Lara kicking around.
He's got a fight coming up, but

490
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,680
he's fighting Danny Garcia, who's really
a junior middleweight welter weight. Anyway,

491
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,920
the point is you have Jane Beck
defending the title. He may be the

492
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,880
best name of the act of guys. And I say that with respect to

493
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,799
Charlot, who hasn't fought because of
his own issues not related to his boxing

494
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:56,559
career. So he they basically a
top ranked mandate. Here was okay,

495
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,799
let's just find somebody that's like a
credible opponent that he can know, we

496
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,400
gotta have the guy fight. You
know, we have contractual obligations. He

497
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,240
can't just sit on the sideline.
So they matched him. What was Stephen

498
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,119
Butler and and you know Jennebec,
you know, he was a tremendous amateur.

499
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,079
He's Olympian from Kazakhstan thirteen and O
he's got eight knockouts. But he's

500
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:15,640
again one of these guys a little
bit older with that big amateur career.

501
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:21,359
So they match over with Butler.
Butler is a Canadian fighter who you know,

502
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:23,920
is like I would consider like like
a let's call him in the middle

503
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,519
of there's let's him like a B
minus fighter, maybe a C plus type

504
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,400
fighter. Not terrible, but not
pound for pound type of guy. Won

505
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,920
some fights in a row, but
also every time he stepped up against the

506
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,880
best guys, he's lost. He
got smoked by Royal Royal to Marada in

507
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,359
Japan in five rounds when he challenged
for the WBA belt back in what was

508
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:47,000
the two end of twenty nineteen.
Then in his next fight he also suffered

509
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,720
a knockout lost. This was you
know, in Mexico against you know,

510
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:54,480
an unknown type of guy, and
he's just, uh, he's one of

511
00:32:54,519 --> 00:33:00,480
these guys that he can hang in
probably for some rounds and you get over

512
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:04,039
the hump and beat the bigger names. I have serious questions about that.

513
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,119
So to me, it seems like
Butler is he's there. I'm sure he's

514
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,319
going to give an effort. He
knows it's a big opportunity. Is a

515
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:14,160
second chance to fight for a world
title. I have very, very big

516
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,079
questions of whether you can stand up
to the firepower of Jane Beck. But

517
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:20,920
I had the same thoughts about Denzel
Bentley. We'll see if he can hang

518
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,400
in there for a bit fair enough
and again top rank propping up Jane.

519
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:29,640
By the way, he has been
stopped in all three of his losses,

520
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:32,200
so that's something to file away.
By the way, we'll make betting predictions.

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00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,079
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522
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:40,839
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523
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00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,599
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day on their social media platforms.
We'll make predictions on this fight in Jannebec

526
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:58,240
is a significant favorite to win,
and win by ko we shall see.

527
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:00,680
Butler was very active by the way
in twenty two and fought I think four

528
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,279
times in twenty twenty two, so
let's hear something. Hey, let's hear

529
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,720
it for a fighter at least being
active before he gets a shot here in

530
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:13,039
May of twenty twenty three and the
co feature fight as I mentioned Jason Maloney

531
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:17,320
will fight against an opponent for the
WBO's vacant bannomweight title that I don't know

532
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,800
a lot about. This is why
we rely on you for Vincent Astrolabbio,

533
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,000
tell me more about this one.
The Maloneys again have been entertaining. They're

534
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,960
Australian, so now here's another title
shot for one of the Maloneys. Yeah,

535
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:34,039
listen, the Maloneys are very likable
fighters. They they they're usually in

536
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,800
good fights. Andrews the other one. Of course, he had the three

537
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,159
fights that will probably post. If
people know Andrew it's those three fights he

538
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,920
had against Joshua Franco. In any
event. In the case of Jason Maloney,

539
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,519
who's the twin brother, he's his
only two losses were in world title

540
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:52,320
fights. He got knocked out on
ESPN with just a crunching body shot by

541
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,559
probably the best body puncher in boxing, which is no Yea. In a

542
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:59,320
Way was the former undisputed champion in
the bannom weight division. The reason why

543
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,840
this title is is because when in
a Way became the undisputed champion at the

544
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,039
end of last year, he then
vacated all of the titles to move up

545
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:09,599
to one hundred twenty two pounds where
he will challenge Stephen Fulton for his unified

546
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:15,079
belts this summer. So Maloney is
getting this opportunity which he had fought for

547
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,280
two of those belts against in a
way back in twenty twenty and like I

548
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,000
said, he got knocked down in
the seventh round brutal body shot. His

549
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:22,840
only other defeat came in the World
Boxing Super Serious. Remember they did a

550
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,000
Bandamway tournament. This is back in
twenty eighteen. He suffered a very flow.

551
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:30,880
He could have been champion that night. He suffered a split decision loss

552
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,119
to Emmanuel Rodriguez in your Neck of
the Woods in Orlando, Florida. That

553
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:37,719
was in twenty eighteen. So this
is gonna be his third shot. It's

554
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,159
a vacant title, like I said, because of the fact that in a

555
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:45,159
way vacated the belts. Now Astrolabio, he's a Filipino fighter. He's eighteen

556
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,559
and three with thirteen knockouts. He's
really I mean, his record is really

557
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:53,039
devoid of any notable opposition, with
one exception two fights ago in February of

558
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:58,440
twenty twenty two. He won legitimately. They were in Dubai. He beat

559
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:02,800
by decision A Germo Riggindo now Gerrimo
Riggindo, obviously people know, was a

560
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,880
former bandumweight champion, was the junior
featherweight champion lineal beating Nonito Donaire. Was

561
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,840
a two time gold medal winner.
You know, obviously not my You know,

562
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,320
anybody knows me. There has never
been my cup of tea. But

563
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,880
I can't deny that he's a talented
fighter, obviously, but Astrolabio out of

564
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,280
nowhere. We went there and uh, you know, it was close,

565
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,719
but he dropped Riggindo and that provided
the I believe the difference in terms of

566
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,400
the scoring. If he doesn't get
the knocked down and winds, I leave

567
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,159
as I'm looking it up here.
The scores of that fight with him and

568
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,480
Riggindo were ninety four across the board, so his so would have been a

569
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,360
draw, except he dropped Riggindo in
the eighth round, so that gave him

570
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,599
the margin to score the biggest win
of his career. He's won one fight

571
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,400
since, but that put him very
high up in the different organization rankings,

572
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,760
and so now he he challenges Maloney
for the vacant title, and that is

573
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,320
the other fight on showtime. This
could be, uh, you know,

574
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,039
an interesting fight, I guess.
I mean, they're both guys that come

575
00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,239
to fight, it seems to me, and hopefully we get some fire works

576
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,039
and that one in the winner,
you know, and again in tej in

577
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:07,679
the bandomweight division, which is wide
open because of the relinquishing of all the

578
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,559
titles. You're looking to see Kenna. You know, first of all,

579
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:14,400
who's going to take the belts.
But more importantly, when the winner takes

580
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,800
one of these belts, can they
make a statement in doing so? Can

581
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,920
they give you something that's going to
make a boxing fan remember them be interested

582
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,119
to see them in the future.
This is a great opportunity for Malonea and

583
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:28,000
Astralabio to not only get a title, but to put their stamp on and

584
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:30,320
say watch me. I'm here for
real. I can make a good fight.

585
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,239
I want you to be my fan. I want you to tune in.

586
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,000
So that's what they have in front
of them. It's first and foremost,

587
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,440
you know, complete their dreams of
becoming a world champion. It would

588
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,440
also try to make a statement to
the public that you should watch me if

589
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,480
you want to see a top bandom. We fight and as far as Jason

590
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,519
Maloney, he had that loss to
Naolia and Away, no shame in that

591
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,239
to the monster. Everybody else seems
to get knocked out by that guy.

592
00:37:52,840 --> 00:38:00,800
He did upset Joshua Greer and then
that was in Tulsa Open, Lahoma in

593
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,599
August of twenty twenty one. And
he's won three fights since then, so

594
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:06,639
that including the last two in Melbourne, Australia. So that has set him

595
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,360
into motion for this world title shot. And we'll see what that said.

596
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,960
I didn't. I didn't personally consider
that victory over josh Ogre to be a

597
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,360
big upset, to be quite honest, I mean Greer was, but I

598
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,280
mean night Night Greer was being groomed
right. Night Night's the correct nickname,

599
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,840
right, I'm trying to at that
moment in time, he already had had

600
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,320
suffered a couple of losses, Like
it was. It was not the caliber

601
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,760
of upset had it been, had
it been a couple of few fights earlier,

602
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,440
is all I'm saying. Um,
But that that was a good win

603
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:31,920
for h mean, by the way, that was his rebound win coming off

604
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,159
of the in away knockout loss.
So since that knockout lost in a way.

605
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:40,119
Uh Maloney has won what four fights
in a row to set himself up

606
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:44,320
for this fight, so um,
you know he put himself in a good

607
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,519
position. He fought at home in
Australia. He always love to spot me.

608
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:52,000
I appreciate your I love I love
the fact you repeated exactly what I

609
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,880
just said right after I said it. He's won four fights in a row,

610
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:58,599
and this makes it interesting. Can't
he continue the momentum since I mean

611
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:02,039
he he gains momentum because he had
a good performance on one of the I

612
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:07,039
believe it was the first time that
Devin Hainey and Lomachenko fought in Asia.

613
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,440
He balks on that card and got
a nice win against the former title title

614
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:15,840
challenger Aston Policte. So you know
he's in position. But Australabio's got the

615
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,480
bigger win, I guess against even
an older Rigando. You know, all

616
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:22,800
right, that's why they fight the
fights right line him up and it's probably

617
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,719
a fifty fifty fight as well.
We've got while they might not be the

618
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,039
most massive names, we've got competitive
fights. It looks like anything else from

619
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:35,079
the top rank show that stands out. I know, Gabriel Flores Junior is

620
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,079
on the undercard, and he is
at a real cross roads because he suffered

621
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,880
some losses. He's in northern California, he's stacked in right, this is

622
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,599
hometown. He's gonna something though,
I mean, he's got to show something,

623
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,159
right he does he does. I
mean, you know, to me,

624
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:51,400
he's he's on this card not because
there's a belief that he's going to

625
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,679
become a big name anymore, but
because he is a local fighter that can

626
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,320
help move some tickets. Uh myam, I mean it's a top ranked card,

627
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,000
but I mayam was told anyway that
he's no longer promoted by top rank.

628
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:05,239
They just put him on the show
because they know he can help sell

629
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,159
tickets and all that. The if
there's that, I mean, they always

630
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:09,519
put on some of their their prospects. I mean, that's top rank.

631
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:13,039
They always build up their guys,
so you know, for example, Amado

632
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:15,880
Vargas, who was one of the
fighting sons of Fernando Vargus, the former

633
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,280
junior middleweight champion. He's on the
card. They have to me. Actually,

634
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,960
it's the most interesting name on the
undercard is Ruben Villa, who is

635
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:30,280
a good featherweight contender who fought for
a world title against believe it was against

636
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,400
Navarette, lost, but was off
for a while. He recently signed with

637
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,639
Top Rank. This is the first
fight of that contract, Douse. They

638
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:37,679
look to rebuild him a little bit, bring him back. Featherweights obviously a

639
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,920
very good division right now. Top
Rank is heavily involved in it. He

640
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,639
is managed by Rick Mridgian who does
a lot of business with Top Rank.

641
00:40:45,159 --> 00:40:47,159
You know, he manages Josie Ramirez
and Arnold Barboza, and we've discussed some

642
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,480
of the different fighters that he works
with, so you know, the bigger

643
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,440
fights. Obviously, the main fights
on Televian were the two world title fights.

644
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,639
All right, good enough on those. Let's get to some news of

645
00:40:58,679 --> 00:41:01,360
the week and some nostalgia. But
we're done here. On the preview,

646
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,320
we should make mention we are teasing
that when you are with us for the

647
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,480
recap show, when we recap the
whole weekend, you will hear a Dan

648
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:15,400
one on one interview with Regis pro
Gray, who is obviously in the news

649
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:21,840
has now signed with match Room Boxing, and you are actually reporting something that

650
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,840
is of intrigue and pro Gray.
It kind of ties in to why he

651
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:30,280
wanted to do a multi fight deal
with someone. Pick up what you've learned,

652
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,320
and it kind of dove tails into
your conversation with Regis that we're gonna

653
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,840
play coming off the weekend. So
one of the things TJ, that I

654
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,039
had been hearing even before I had
my interview with Regis, which as we

655
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:45,639
tape this today is on what a
Thursday. I spoke to Regis on Wednesday

656
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,039
of this week, will play the
interview on Sunday night Monday Morning podcast.

657
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,320
But before I had even spoken to
Regis, I had been told and hearing

658
00:41:53,719 --> 00:42:00,440
that the IBF one forty champion,
Sabrillo Matias was in the process of making

659
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,480
a deal to sign with Matrium.
He had been with PBC, who was

660
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:07,039
not under contract. Apparently he was
talking to others and Natrium was about to

661
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:10,679
sign him. And Matrium obviously is
getting involved in one hundred forty poundweight class.

662
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:15,559
I mean they did sign Progress,
They have Hitchens, they have Jack

663
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:20,159
Catterall who they recently signed. So
they're making a move in that very good

664
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:23,320
division where the other fighters that are
of note Ramirez, Tiafimo Lopez, Josh

665
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:29,960
Taylor, et Cetera, Barboza those
guys are with top rank anyway. So

666
00:42:30,639 --> 00:42:32,760
when I was doing the interview with
Regis and people, I'll just tease this

667
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,599
a little bit. I won't give
away all the cont you know, the

668
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:37,280
exact quotes, but you can smart
man, smart man, keep rolling.

669
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,440
But Regis talked about how one of
the things that he was talking to Eddie

670
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,239
hearn about when he was making his
deal to sign with him. Well,

671
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,199
obviously you talk about not only you
know, what's the length of the contract,

672
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,119
what's the money. All that stuff
is you know who am I going

673
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,039
to fight? What what can you
make available to me? What opportunities do

674
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,480
I have? So while again it's
not one hundred percent and you know who

675
00:42:55,519 --> 00:43:00,400
knows it will ultimately come to pass. But he was told that says this

676
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,400
on the interview, that he was
told that they're close assigning Sabrial Mattias and

677
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,039
that because his contract with Matchroom Boxing, obviously the first fight has already been

678
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:12,320
announced and set. That's the Liam
Parow fight that takes place in June in

679
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,360
his hometown of New Orleans. He'll
have a second fight against you know whoever,

680
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:20,000
could be Catterell could be the winner
of a Hitchens Montana Love fight or

681
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:23,199
something else. But he was very
hopeful that Eddie would get the deal done,

682
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,880
Sabrial Matthias would get his fighter too, and then when it comes a

683
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,480
little bit later, you know,
two fights down the road or so,

684
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,639
they will meet each other to unify
the titles. And I have to say

685
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:37,239
to you TJ. Reeves on your
anniversary, that's the kind of fight where

686
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,519
I might have to skip out on
the anniversary dinner to watch that fight because

687
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,440
Sabrial Mattias against Regis program, that's
about as good of an exciting a fight

688
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,800
as you can make in boxing.
I'm not talking about in terms of mega

689
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,320
millions or huge pay per views,
but if you just want to see two

690
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,519
really good fighters go at each other, Yeah, that is a great,

691
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:59,039
great fight. And I hope that
Regis gets that fight. I hope but

692
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:01,000
Tis gets that fight. We'll see
if Eddie can close up the deal.

693
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,239
I'll say this about Eddie. Hearn
uh. You know, he's usually pretty

694
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,199
good when it comes time to get
as he like, as the Brits like

695
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,960
to say, getting it over the
line. I think he's got a you

696
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,400
know, he's got a good track
record when it comes to making these kinds

697
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,639
of deals. But if he can
get that one done and we end up

698
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:21,480
seeing it down the road a couple
of fights from now a Regius Progray against

699
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,119
Surbrilli Mattias that's a hell of a
fight and Progray again, you can maybe

700
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:29,000
question the decision. He split from
lou Debella, right, who you have

701
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:32,760
a long relationship with, and he's
meandered to like Thriller and that whole debacle

702
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,079
that only had a couple of shows
that was that was a one off,

703
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:38,000
that it was a one off.
That's my point. He fought for PBC

704
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,039
as a one off. He's just
kind of meandered. And now he has

705
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:45,880
decided, and probably smartly, so
get with somebody on a multi fight deal,

706
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:52,320
especially if the third fight can be
a massive by his standards payday.

707
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:58,559
So he had, he had the
one off with Thriller, He did the

708
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:02,719
one off with PBC, wh they
were offering him in an additional contract for

709
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,719
three fights. He ended up not
doing that. He ended up signing with

710
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,519
Probellum. That turned out to be
about his uh, you know, unfortunate

711
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:14,519
decision as any of the fighters that
sign what Probellum was because they were out

712
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,639
of business rather quickly. And then
they were taken over by Disrupt, which

713
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:22,199
then, as he explains, he
ended up parting with. But now,

714
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,000
as he said, I feel comfortable. I have my world title, I'm

715
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:27,920
a two time champion, I'm one
of the better names in the weight class.

716
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:30,800
Everything is on track, and he
feels settled. He's happy with the

717
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,159
decision we And again I'll tease a
little bit. I questioned him kind of

718
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,199
hard about the decision making process,
not that I thought he made the wrong

719
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,280
decision, but why he made that
decision because he was also being offered a

720
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,960
very good contract by Top Rank,
PBC was interested, so I wanted to

721
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,000
drill down and sort of what was
the reason specific for to go with Matcham.

722
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,679
My first thought in my mind was, you know, we didn't necessarily

723
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,519
have the level of opponents available to
him that Top Rank did, being that

724
00:45:55,559 --> 00:46:00,199
they have Taylor and Tiefemo and Ramirez
and Barbosa and other good fighters at one

725
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,760
forty, the potential of u Shkoor
Stevenson moving up someday, et cetera,

726
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,679
et cetera. But he listened,
you know, all you can do as

727
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,880
a journalist, as a reporter,
as an Interviewers asked the questions and your

728
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,840
subject gets to answer the question how
they choose to answer it, and you

729
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,400
can push back and follow up.
But Regis explained himself in detail, and

730
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,559
I hope people listen to that interview. Coming up a thunder it on the

731
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:24,000
Recap podcast overnight Sunday into Monday,
and we've teased that one to the max.

732
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,679
We look forward to that. All
right, what else do you have?

733
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,880
You have more reporting about another match
Room show and this involves Alicia baumb

734
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:36,320
Gardner. What have you found out
here about the next fight? Okay?

735
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,639
So this also will have a peripheral
involvement with Regis program and the potential of

736
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:45,280
Sabrill Mattia. So I have confirmed
with multiple sources who are involved in this

737
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,840
that they are planning matchrom a July
fifteenth card in Detroit, which is the

738
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,039
hometown of Alicia bamb Garner, to
defend the undisputed women's junior lightweight title,

739
00:46:55,039 --> 00:47:00,159
which she had of course, last
two fights ago had defeated Mikayla Mayer to

740
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,559
unify three belts. In her most
recent fight, she won the vacant fourth

741
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:07,039
belt to become undisputed. So they're
taking her home again. No opponents set

742
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:09,599
it. Fight's not been formally announced, at least not as of yet.

743
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,480
The undercard co future fight that they're
trying to close up. They're just haggling,

744
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:17,760
i think right now, over some
details on that, but it appears

745
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,239
as though it's a good bet to
happen. Is they signed Matchroom. Did

746
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,199
the undefeated up and coming one hundred
forty pounder Richardson Hitchens, who was an

747
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:31,360
Olympian who had been with Mayweather Promotions
now is with Matchroom to fight Montana Love

748
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,559
who was another Matchroom fighter, you
know who. He's coming off a loss,

749
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:38,320
but it was that crazy disqualification against
Steve Spark when he tossed him out

750
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,800
of the ring. In any event, that's the fight they're looking at for

751
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,119
the undercard, and the reason that's
sort of significant. Number one, it's

752
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:47,039
a good matchup, and number two, the winner of that fight is going

753
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:51,760
to probably put themselves in a pretty
good position to get a chance to fight

754
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,519
Regis program theoretically in the second fight
of Regis's deal if he defeats Liam Paro

755
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,559
in June, which then would theoretically
lead to the Mattist. The point is

756
00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:05,880
they're putting all the blocks in place
for their involvement in one hundred and forty

757
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,519
pounds, So you got Alicia in
the main event. You know, obviously

758
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:13,760
she's one of the best women's fighters
out there, undisputed defending at home.

759
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,880
And then if this nat Room card
also features that undercard fight between Hitchins and

760
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,800
Love, that sets up some big
missiness for the winner. So that is

761
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,360
what's going on with that. And
also, let me add I'm very happy

762
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,039
to see that match Room is going
to have a little bit more activity in

763
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:30,000
the United States because for a little
while there it was looking like not that

764
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:34,679
they had completely abandoned the market,
but so many of their events were either

765
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,599
taking place in the UK or other
places overseas. But the United States is

766
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:44,519
still the biggest boxing market in the
world and they need to be here and

767
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,519
this is an example of that,
and I'm happy they're doing it. Start

768
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:51,800
willing and dealing and making some fights. They are doing that. Speaking of

769
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,440
making fights, all right, this
is interesting. Announced midweek in Australia,

770
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:00,920
Tim Zoo not waiting around for whatever
is going on now with Jamel Charlo,

771
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:04,960
and we'll get into that in a
second. Zoo is gonna fight. Zoo

772
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:10,880
is gonna fight soon He's gonna fight
next month against Carlos Ocampo, interim WBO

773
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,639
one hundred and fifty four pound title
fight. All right, so I watched

774
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:19,679
the press conference for this. He
had some interesting things to say. Your

775
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,119
thoughts here on this, because we
were wanting, hoping for this to be

776
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:30,199
this summer Charlo and Zoo. For
now, it's not Charlo and Zoo.

777
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,840
Listen, I mean it's not Charlo
and Zoo, But I mean Tim Zoo

778
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:38,320
is not going to be held captive
by Jamel Charlo's medical issues. You know,

779
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,400
it is a little disappointing because when
Tim Zoo, you know, first

780
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,440
of all, he was supposed to
fight Charlo in January. Charlo injured the

781
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,440
hand fractured in two places. Was
gonna be out, they said till June.

782
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,960
So he took an interim fight that
was the one where he won the

783
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,320
interim title. One of the rare
examples of an interim title usage that I

784
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:58,679
feel is okay when the champion is
legitimately sidelined with an injury. So he

785
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,360
went into Australia and had the him
coming fight, won that fight by knockout

786
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,840
against Tony Harrison and on Just Show
Times broadcast of that telecast. They did

787
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,360
it from the studio in New York
City. They had Charlo there in the

788
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,440
studio with them and he said he
was fine, everything was on track and

789
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:15,760
had no cast, brace, had
no nothing, said he was fine.

790
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:21,199
It's three it's it's two months later. What's up? Apparently it's apparently it's

791
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,119
not fine, or maybe there's some
other thing that they just haven't closed.

792
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:28,719
The bottom line is Charlot is not
fighting in June and tim Zoo. It's

793
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,119
his career, it's his life life. He wants to defend that interim delta.

794
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:34,840
He wants to make money. He
has a big fan base that will

795
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,519
turn out for him. So his
promoters, No Limit Promotions, George Rose,

796
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:44,960
have done the appropriate thing. They
have scheduled him to fight Carlos Ocampo.

797
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:47,440
It's maybe not the most threatening fight
when you still have the prospect of

798
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,199
the Charlot undisputed fight sitting there,
but it is a credible fight. Ocampo

799
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,719
has just the two losses. He
got smoked in one round several years ago,

800
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,639
a fight I was at that lasted
probably like less time than when I

801
00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,079
went to take a piss before the
fight. When he fought Errol Spence in

802
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:07,239
Frisco text he had smoked and going
around, but in his last fight he

803
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,719
gave a credible performance in a loss, granted, but a credible performance in

804
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,239
a decision against Sebastian Fondora on Showtime. So Showtime is going to have this

805
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,559
fight under the same circumstances as the
last one. They'll do it as a

806
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:23,599
Showtime International, presumably once again in
the studio in New York City, and

807
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:28,519
the fight will take place live in
Australia. It'll be Sunday afternoon Australia time,

808
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,119
it'll be Saturday night prime time in
the United States, and he'll fight

809
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:36,760
Ocampo, and hopefully after that he'll
fight Charlot because eventually, look, I'm

810
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:38,679
not I have no problem giving an
injured fighter or some time to take care

811
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:43,000
of his injury. But at some
point, especially when you're undisputed, the

812
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,440
organizations are gonna come calling and you're
not going to be able to keep those

813
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,800
belts together forever. So Zoo is
next up. But again, he should

814
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,599
be allowed to continue with his career, particularly when he has He's ready,

815
00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:57,480
willing and able, no injuries.
He's got a big fan base, can

816
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,440
make money, there's an interested network
like Showtime in the United States. It's

817
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,880
a pay per view in his home
country of Australia, So you know,

818
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,920
all things considered, you know it
is it a tuna fight? I mean,

819
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,519
I guess you could look at it
like that, but you know what,

820
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:12,760
it's not really because if he doesn't
win the fight, there is no

821
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,480
Charlo fight anyway. So he's got
to keep doing what he's doing. I

822
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:19,119
suspect he'll beat O Campell. Hopefully
it's a good fight to that getting to

823
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:22,079
that point. In the meantime,
Charlot, good luck to him getting redder.

824
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,400
Well, we'll see. Is it
truly the injury? I mean,

825
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,000
there is some belief, and you
do the master job of reporting on this,

826
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:34,760
but there is some belief because you're
you're going on two years that Jemal

827
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,000
Charlo has not fought, Jemel Charlo
has not fought in a year. Connect

828
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,239
the dots on all of this.
Deontay Wilder has fought one time for one

829
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:49,840
round in October and not since.
Errol Spence hasn't fought in a long time.

830
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,159
And there's all the kicking around over
a year, all the kicking around

831
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:55,159
of the undisputed fight. Keith Thurman. One of my guys with the Tamba

832
00:52:55,159 --> 00:53:00,079
Bay area hasn't fought in over a
year, and there is some belief that

833
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:04,800
the guaranteed money is dried up at
least in recent times, and these guys

834
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,480
can't get the money they've been used
to in the short term, so they're

835
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:14,199
just sitting back and until disproven otherwise. That that's quite a roll call that

836
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,760
I just listed of inactive guys that
aren't fighting, and how long does it

837
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,960
take the hand to heal that's incumbent
on Jamil Charlo now to come forward and

838
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:28,039
say what's the timeline on when you're
ready to fight somebody or somebody go ahead.

839
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,800
I do like your embracing of the
conspiracy theory. I guess I don't

840
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,760
know how much of a conspiracy theory
is that when you got that many guys

841
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,159
not fighting that are all under the
same umber, and they admitted missions.

842
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:42,719
I mean, Deontay Wilder admitted on
the record the money is not there for

843
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,079
me to come back. He said
for some of those guys, that is

844
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:49,280
correct, and because they expect a
certain amount. Now if they were willing

845
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,760
to fight for say, you know, two to two and a half million

846
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,679
instead of ten million, then yeah, they could fight. Okay, So

847
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,639
it's not that the money dried up, it's at the money at the level

848
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:02,199
that they expect. The pay per
view market has not done as well as

849
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,880
maybe they would have hoped. The
point is, though, if you examine

850
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,199
each of those and I'm not making
excuses of them, I'm just saying Wilder,

851
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,840
it's clearly a financial thing. He
won, and he's also coming near

852
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,239
the end of his career, so
they want to make the maximum and he

853
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,960
wants to get the biggest fight,
and maybe they're going to do this rumored

854
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,320
event in Saudi Arabia in the fall, you know, with disposed turning and

855
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,400
I'll believe it when I see it. In the case of Charlow in the

856
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:27,960
junior middleweight Charlo Jamil Charlo, he
did have the broken hand. There's I'm

857
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,639
not that that I believe one hundred
percent. Could there have been a setback,

858
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,760
That's very possible. His brother had
the back injury. It has recently

859
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,039
come out in his own stuff that
he was in a custody battle for his

860
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:44,559
children that took a long time.
That's never a positive situation. He did

861
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:49,360
make the announcement that he now has
custody of his five children. I'm sure

862
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,280
that was a big part of his
non boxing life that goes on. That

863
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,559
is obviously, you know, we're
not in his home or his backyard or

864
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:59,440
whatever. There's a lot of issues
there. He certainly has some legal problems.

865
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:04,079
Point is, um, I don't
think the WBC or Charlot's team have

866
00:55:04,159 --> 00:55:07,880
been as transparent as maybe they could
have been. Why that he didn't fight,

867
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,199
not to say that I need every
detail of his private custody battle,

868
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:15,360
and believe me, that's never an
easy situation. But the WBC probably should

869
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:19,679
have done something, I guess so
you can understand it right now. The

870
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,719
WBC, with Jamal Charlo we're talking
about, should do something. They should

871
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,920
say, get in the ring or
we're stripping you. It's been two years.

872
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:29,559
They should their guys a year or
less. And I know you're not

873
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:32,199
saying that, but the WBC should
do something. Coming out he didn't have

874
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,239
a damis fight for the interim title. Who's going to defend it on showtime

875
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,599
coming up later in the summer.
So all I'm saying, though, is

876
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:43,519
the names of the guys you listed
that were extremely inactive, there are reasons

877
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:47,079
per guy for the reason Keith Thurman. I don't even think Heith really wants

878
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,239
to fight anymore, to be honest, or at least not often. There's

879
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,800
a certain price right there. He
didn't get the price. He doesn't want

880
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:57,880
to fight. I have zeroed out
in my mind that Errol wants to fight,

881
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,320
and he just passed the year marker. He's been trying to do this

882
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:07,760
deal with Terrence Crawford. Hopefully his
patience and the lack of activity will mean

883
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,360
that that fight will come to pass, and you just have to hope that

884
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:15,639
when the fight does happen, if
it happens, that the inactivity doesn't show

885
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:20,000
itself or manifest itself in the fight
and become a reason why you say that

886
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:23,119
I have still a little bit of
hope that Spence and Crawford might fight before

887
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:25,400
the year's over, and I might
have a little bit of hope at Zoo

888
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,239
and Jamel Charlo, who were supposed
to have fought in January, can fight

889
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,559
before the end of my calendar twenty
twenty three. Are you saying I have

890
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:37,199
a little hope. I think you
have some hope. I mean I don't

891
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:42,119
don't. I don't have big emotion
about it either. Way, I'm long

892
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:45,119
past the emotional point about Crawford and
Spence. I mean, I've said it

893
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:46,480
a million times. If the fight
happens, I'm thrilled. I can't wait

894
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:50,519
to see it. But I'm not
freaking out about every little activity, every

895
00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:54,159
little conversation, every little detail or
negotiation, or every little fraudulent date that

896
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:59,480
the ring magazine puts out to name
a name on that. All right,

897
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:01,159
couple more real quick, then some
nostalgia on another Tampa Bay guy, my

898
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:07,000
man Winkie. Right in a minute, Joe Joyce has exercised the rematch clause

899
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:10,840
to fight Jalai Zang of China,
who beat him and beat him decisively.

900
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,320
Jang had been rumored in the conversation
to maybe fight Tyson Fury. Here we

901
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,000
go again with false reporting, fake
news. No. Well, but I

902
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,360
mean, okay, so clear it
up for us. What does this mean

903
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:29,800
with Joyce invoking it specifically because Frank
Warren is the promoter of Joyce. Frank

904
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,320
Warren is the promoter, the co
promoter along with Bob Aram and top rank

905
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:37,119
of Tyson Fury. Does this mean
we're getting Joyceon's and Jang? Or is

906
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:40,800
this a little chess and maybe Joe
Joe Joyce is going to get a step

907
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,079
aside so that Fury could fight Jang. What do we make of that?

908
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:47,320
Real quick? That is certainly a
possibility. But the point here is this,

909
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:52,440
Joe Joyce got stopped by him in
April. Joe Joyce had a rematch

910
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,159
language in the contract. Any contract
that has rematch language, you either have

911
00:57:55,239 --> 00:58:00,079
to exercise it, say no,
or just let it expire. But at

912
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:02,880
some point there is a deadline.
So Joe Joyce obviously had a looming deadline.

913
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,400
Certainly he heard the rumors of a
possible of Zang versus Fury fight,

914
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,000
and so he had to make the
decision. He said, I'm invoking my

915
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:14,639
rematch right now. Could he go
back and go to the table and say

916
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,800
I will step aside for X y
Z. I mean, that would be

917
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:21,679
the smart business thing to do,
if you'd rather than just bypass it,

918
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,400
you know, why not get what
you can get? So I would say,

919
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,960
there's a couple. And I actually
been in communication with Terry Lane,

920
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:36,159
who is the promoter of Zang,
about this situation that they want to do

921
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,079
the Fury fight, and that was
obviously a Fury didn't do the Usk fight.

922
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,320
And the word is that he wanted
to fight in July. You know,

923
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,239
who could he fight obviously if he's
fighting Zang. And we talked about

924
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,760
this last week. By the way, we talked about who can a guy

925
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,400
fight? We talked about this with
Canello. Fights have a way of making

926
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,199
fights. We would never would have
said Fury versus Zang. You know,

927
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:58,400
April fourteenth become April fifteenth, it's
a different potball park. He now puts

928
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,760
himself in that position because of a
big victory and an impressive victory against Joe

929
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,960
Joyce. So he emerged as a
possible opponent, and that was something that

930
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,719
was interesting. Remember Frank Warren,
now who, like you said, he

931
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,880
is the promoter of Fury, He's
the promoter of Joe Joyce. He also

932
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,280
now has three options on the next
three fights of Zang based on the Joe

933
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,960
Joyce contract, which was a optional
fight. That's just the making of the

934
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,519
sausage and boxing. You know,
you give up those futures to get the

935
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:25,760
shot. So it is possible that
Joe's looking for a step aside deal.

936
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,599
It's also very possible that Joe is
a proud athlete says, you know what,

937
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,199
I'm gonna go back in there.
I'm gonna beat the zass in the

938
00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:36,360
rematch. We'll see what happens.
I suspect whatever happens, you'll see Joyce

939
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:39,119
versus Zang, you know, probably
end of the summertime if it happens,

940
00:59:39,239 --> 00:59:44,480
or you may see him step aside
and maybe we will get the fight between

941
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,679
Fury and Zang. I know that
the Zang people from talking to Terry,

942
00:59:47,039 --> 00:59:51,719
they want the Fury fight much more
than the Joyce fight because they feel like,

943
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,760
hey, we're gonna beat Joyce again, but we'd much rather have a

944
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,840
chance to fight for the real heavyweight
championship and make way way more money.

945
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,639
Of course, against Tyson Fury,
we have a chance to win that fight

946
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:08,079
also than to take the rematch for
a fraction of the cash whether you win

947
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:10,159
or lose. And you know,
and you gotta fight him again, so

948
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:15,119
you know it. Chess moves our
a plenty in boxing, particularly when it

949
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:20,280
comes to navigating the complicated landscape of
the heavyweight division. All right, and

950
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,920
a little nostalgia to wrap it up, and that is twenty two years ago

951
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:29,960
that Felix Trinidad Tito Trinidad moved up
from one fifty four and wiped out William

952
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:35,039
Joppy at Madison Square Garden. All
right, give me more on it.

953
01:00:35,159 --> 01:00:38,199
You were ringside for this this bad
Boy, and it was quite the atmosphere.

954
01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:42,920
Give me some nostalgia, please.
Well, I have to say that

955
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,119
one of the questions I get asked
most by boxing fans through my time when

956
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:50,760
I talk to them, whether it's
in person, that fights, social media,

957
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,519
what have you. What's the best
atmosphere you've ever been in for a

958
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:55,719
fight. And I've been to a
fortunately, you know, I don't ever

959
01:00:55,719 --> 01:01:00,079
take it for grinn. I've been
to tremendous amount of megafights and there's a

960
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:05,599
few that automatically jumped to mind.
Wimbley Stadium ninety thousand for Klichko Joshua,

961
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,440
the big fight set Floyd Mayweather had
in Las Vegas against Canelo, against Oscar

962
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:13,239
de la Joya, against Manny Pakia, even against Connor McGregor, plenty of

963
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,039
Pachyo fights, Mike Tyson fights him
and Lennox Lewis. You know, I'm

964
01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:20,079
just saying I've been to a lot
of big fights, not bragging, just

965
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:24,599
making the point, but I have
to say among the very best, I

966
01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:31,119
would put it in my Top three
probably was when William Joppy and Felix Trinidad

967
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:35,760
fought at Madison Square Garden. This
was, as you mentioned, Trinidad going

968
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,320
from one fifty four to one sixty
a challenge for the WBA title. It

969
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:45,000
was the second semi final of the
four man middleweight tournament that Don King and

970
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:50,280
HBO put together to crown an undisputed
champion. It was designed to make Trinidad

971
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,119
a superstar, even bigger than he
already had been, but it included William

972
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:57,960
Joppy, was a WBA champion on
one side of the bracket to fight Trinidad.

973
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,719
A fight that had taken place a
month earlier, which was to unify

974
01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:06,000
the IBF title and the WBC title, took place at the Madison Square Garden

975
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:12,000
Theater between Bernard Hopkins and William and
Keith Holmes, a fight that Bernard Hopkins

976
01:02:12,239 --> 01:02:15,639
has expected one to put him himself
in the final and so now it's up

977
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:21,159
to Trinidad and William Joppy did determine
who was gonna face Bernard Hopkins for the

978
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:23,760
undisputed championship. Most people figured that
was going to be the matchup and Trinidad

979
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,719
was going to be the huge favorite. And the plan was he's gonna beat

980
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,440
Choppy, he's gonna beat Bernard,
and he's gonna go up into one seventy

981
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,119
five as he gonna have the megafight
of megafight with Roy Jones Jr. Didn't

982
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:36,400
quite work out that way, but
it looked like it was going to work

983
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,920
out day way and this night because
Madison Square Garden was absolutely un fucking fire

984
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:45,760
that night, unbelievable atmosphere. And
one thing I'll never forget about that is

985
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,559
this. I went to go to
the arena for the early undercard fights,

986
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:51,119
and I walked I was saying,
you know the same hotel I always stay

987
01:02:51,159 --> 01:02:54,559
up, which actually is now closed, believed after twenty something years, across

988
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:59,559
the street from Madison Square Garden.
I was going to the early undercard,

989
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:01,400
but as will know, I collect
a memorabilia, so I actually went over

990
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:06,360
a little earlier to get some programs
and some posters, and then it walked

991
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,280
back across the street to put them
back up in my hotel room, starting

992
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,320
to have to have him there at
ringside all night, and then was going

993
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,400
to walk back over to the arena
to take my seat and cover the undercard.

994
01:03:14,719 --> 01:03:16,280
And this is something that you may
see in your neck of the woods

995
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,360
you go to a big football game, or you go to Middle America to

996
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,440
a big college ball game or something
that you know, you see people tailgating,

997
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,599
right. They have the charcoal girls
out, they're playing the songs,

998
01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:29,039
they got their hats on, they
drinking a beer, they're hanging out.

999
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:31,000
They're having a nice time in the
parking lot before the big game. You

1000
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:37,119
don't see that in Manhattan on Seventh
Avenue. Not usually. No. But

1001
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:39,360
I have to tell you one of
my lasting memories and images of my entire

1002
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:45,639
involvement in covering professional boxing was going
to Madison Square Garden to watch that fight

1003
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,840
and seeing cars parked in front of
Madison Square Garden and the cops were cool

1004
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,440
with it. Maybe maybe they were
Puerto Ricans also and also on the on

1005
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,800
the bandwagon the Fieldix Trinidad. But
they let them do it, and they

1006
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,400
were playing the Puerto Rican know the
I don't know, is it salt some

1007
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:03,559
music with some kind of Puerto Rican
kind of us. The Puerto Rican hip

1008
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,079
hop was starting to come in then
too, in the two thousands. Yeah,

1009
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:11,320
absolutely were. They were outside their
cars right there in front of Penn

1010
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,679
Station and Madison Square garden like you
know, with the back of the car

1011
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,960
opens, waving flags, waving having
drinks in like their paper bags, and

1012
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,119
and I never forget that. So
now the fight is now. I mean,

1013
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:25,960
that was just mind blowing to me. I mean, fucking tailgating on

1014
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:30,320
seventh Abbu in Manhattan at like four
o'clock in the afternoon, like as the

1015
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,840
early undercard is gonna about to start, just wild. So on the night

1016
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,960
of the fight, that was a
Trinidad house that William Joppy, you know,

1017
01:04:36,159 --> 01:04:39,960
he's from Washington, DC, had
fans in the DC area, had

1018
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,360
a few people in the garden rooting
for him. And I have to say,

1019
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,559
you know, we've talked about what's
my best pick I've ever made?

1020
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,039
Which was I always will tell you
was when I picked Tossing Rockman by knockout

1021
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:50,280
over Lennox Lewis in the first fight. I got to come clean and be

1022
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,599
honest because we keep it real here. What was my worst pick I've ever

1023
01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:57,079
made? My worst pick ever made
was probably William Joppy by Trinidad by knocking

1024
01:04:57,079 --> 01:05:00,480
out Trinidad didn't quite work out that
way. I got the knock you got

1025
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:05,960
the knockout part right, right,
Yeah, So the electricity that night was

1026
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:10,800
unparalleled. I mean, and I've
been to pretty much every single fight at

1027
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,960
Madison Square Gardens me and Arena with
a few exceptions, and certainly haven't missed

1028
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,800
anything big for almost twenty five years. And you talk to people that were

1029
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,400
there that also and this was not
a fight I covered. They talked about

1030
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:26,960
it being similar to when Roberto Duran
fought Davy Boy Moore and won the Junior

1031
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,880
middle White title at Madison Square Garden
as just a transformative a moment in their

1032
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,639
life. As far as the crowd, well, for me, it was

1033
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:39,760
like a transformative moment to crowd the
night of William Joppy against against Fieli Trinidad,

1034
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,840
and I swear to God, I
can still hear in my ears the

1035
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,800
air horns that were going off when
Trinidad was beating a living shit out of

1036
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,920
William Joppy that night. It was
a spectacular night. It was a spectacular

1037
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:54,039
fight in terms of the performer.
Not a competitive fight, but in terms

1038
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:58,800
of the performance that Trinidad was like
an absolute killer that night, brutalized and

1039
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,000
just banged around William job He showed
a big heart by the way and did

1040
01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:04,760
everything he could to stay in that
fight. And when William was always was

1041
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,480
a cool guy to deal with and
and I was like joppy um. But

1042
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:13,800
he got absolutely pummeled that night.
He was on the train tracks, brother,

1043
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,559
and the Porto Rican Express was coming
through and you were there. As

1044
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:19,440
I like to say, sometimes you're
the windshield and sometimes you're the bug.

1045
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,559
And on that night, William Job, he was definitely the bug. And

1046
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,599
it was a glorious night. And
when Felix Trinidad knocked him out and climbed

1047
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:30,960
the ring ropes in a victory and
pounded his chest like he always did,

1048
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,719
and was he near you? Just
give me the visual. Was he near

1049
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,039
you in that corner? Was it
across from you when he went up there

1050
01:06:36,159 --> 01:06:40,679
was actually, I find memory serves
it was on the side. You're sort

1051
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:42,800
of in the middle. He's sort
of like off to the to the left

1052
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,079
looking out at the crowd, and
you're right there. But it was a

1053
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:49,360
spectacular moment and it was an unforgettable
night, and it was uh that that

1054
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:55,039
was a glorious night for Puerto Rican
boxing, for Felix Trinidad's career. It's

1055
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:58,000
one of the biggest wins of his
career. To move up like that he

1056
01:06:58,039 --> 01:07:01,480
had done to win that title.
Obviously, lay Ye that year came his

1057
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:04,639
waterloo if you will, in the
you know, he got knocked out and

1058
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:10,159
battered and dominated by Bernard Hopkins in
an upset in a fight we've talked about

1059
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,679
because of the emotion. That night
was two weeks after nine to eleven at

1060
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:16,239
Madison Square Garden in New York after
the attacks, first big sports event in

1061
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,000
the city, I think, one
of the biggest, one of the bigger

1062
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:24,719
sports events in the country really since
the attacks had happened, but a few

1063
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,519
months earlier when he fought, and
don't forget this was like a big deal

1064
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,800
for Don King and HBO to be
able to make this tournament and to get

1065
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,039
all the belts involved. And then
also and back then it was you were

1066
01:07:33,159 --> 01:07:36,840
it was a three belt situation,
not a four belt situation to be undisputed.

1067
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:41,519
They made the Sugar Ray Robinson Trophy
like it was a really huge deal,

1068
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:46,199
and they got all the belts in
and then Trinidad was the guy without

1069
01:07:46,239 --> 01:07:48,679
the belt, but was the star
on the rise, and it was a

1070
01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:53,800
spectacular night. And even all these
years later, I still say one of

1071
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:57,480
the top two or three atmospheres I
have ever been in, challenged only by

1072
01:07:57,559 --> 01:08:03,000
maybe Clitch Go and Joshua, maybe
Mayweather Anhattan, those types of fights,

1073
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:10,239
maybe even Canello versus Billy Joe Saunders
at at and T Stadium with seventy four

1074
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:15,880
thousand all time American indoor record.
But William Joppy getting his getting his just

1075
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:21,880
destroyed by Philis Trinidad with a largely
Puerto Rican crowd was phenomenal. I mean,

1076
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,319
and by the way, as far
as Madison Square Garden fights go,

1077
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:30,359
it's probably just a notch ahead of
being present. Therefore, when Miguel Coto

1078
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,600
exacted the revenge against Antonio Margharito in
their rematch, also at the Garden,

1079
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:39,039
also with a big time Puerto Rican
crowd. Love the Nostalgia. I'll love

1080
01:08:39,079 --> 01:08:43,840
your insight on it. I just
will tease that a couple of days later,

1081
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,479
a few years later, a man
Winky Wright got Felix Trinidad, and

1082
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:53,520
we'll we'll actually talk about that in
the Nostalgia as another tease off the weekend

1083
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,079
here, because that anniversary is a
couple of days from now. I was

1084
01:08:56,119 --> 01:08:59,479
at that fight as we released the
podcast. We'll tell some stories about that

1085
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,000
as well. Listen. Great job. Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're

1086
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:06,520
the bug. Tito was the was
the windshield on that night against Winky.

1087
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,960
He was the bug. Yeah,
he was the bug and Winky put the

1088
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,039
shutout on him and we'll talk more
about that, all right. Great job

1089
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:16,520
with Rolle Romero again. He's in
the showtime PBC main event WBA vacant one

1090
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:23,119
hundred and forty pound title fight again. Janna beck Alim Connooley defends his WBO

1091
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:28,399
middleweight title. Jason Muloney fighting for
the WBO Bannom Weight vacant belt on the

1092
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,319
undercard ESPN Top Ranked show. We
will predict all of those fights, Brother

1093
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:35,960
Raypheel all three of those on the
bet Us Boxing Show Live one Eastern Time

1094
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:41,279
Friday, bet Us platforms including YouTube, Twitter, etc. Find us there

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01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:44,159
even if you find us after the
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01:09:44,199 --> 01:09:45,960
at one find us later on Friday
or on Saturday. There you go,

1097
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:50,479
and whatever happens, we will come
back on this podcast feed with the Fight

1098
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:56,439
Freaks Unit recap off the weekend Sunday
night into Monday with whatever happens in all

1099
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:00,720
of these different title fights. For
now, it is my plus the Regions

1100
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,119
Interview and Regis Regius Program. You'll
hear from him on the show on Sunday.

1101
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:06,600
For now, though it's my anniversary
weekend, it is Mother's Day weekend.

1102
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,359
Please tell me you took care of
missus Raphael on Mother's Day weekend,

1103
01:10:10,399 --> 01:10:12,520
the mother of your child. You
did, you did take care of this,

1104
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,279
You scored work. You're good,
okay, And I don't tell anybody,

1105
01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:19,479
but I got I got a nice
like uh and my wife loves this

1106
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,199
kind of shit. It's like a
basket of like bath supplies, like some

1107
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:28,359
nice soaps and yeah, because they're
gonna end up going and buying it for

1108
01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:30,079
themselves. So you look like you
care because you're taking care of them with

1109
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:35,560
that uses. Now wait a minute, confess you've made that purchase or you

1110
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:41,560
intend to make that purchase before Mother's
Day, that purchase is made it yes,

1111
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,760
it's good, all right, good. I'm just looking out for you

1112
01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:46,199
on scoring this and that the postage
doesn't get screwed up, the mail doesn't

1113
01:10:46,199 --> 01:10:48,760
get screwed up. You're taking care
of on that. Listen, have a

1114
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,560
great weekend, Dan Raphael. We
appreciate it. As always. Let's talk

1115
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:55,520
to you off the Weekend on the
Fight Freak You Night Recap. Sir all

1116
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,279
right man, Happy anniversary. There
is our insider Big Fight Weekend dot com

1117
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:02,479
is Fight Freak You Fight Freaks Unite
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1118
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Again, Followers, subscribe to this
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1119
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as we always do, heading into
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1120
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We preview it on the Big Fight
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1122
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:20,680
with all these title fights. You've
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