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Howdy and welcome to the Three True
Outcomes Baseball podcasts, presented by Baseball Prospectives.

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I'm your host Ian left Quiz and
joining me as always, it's Ben

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Murphy. Ben. How are you
doing. I'm doing well. Ian.

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How are you joining us from our
nation's capital. Its Jared Wise. Jared,

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how are you doing? I'm doing
great? Thanks. Thanks. We

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had to get this train on the
station because, you know, a lot

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of trades, a lot of free
agent signings, what have you. You

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know, it's been kind of the
busiest Oh wait, sorry, sorry,

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that's basketball. Sorry, totally confused
in baseball. Nothing has happened for two

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weeks. Was exciting, right,
It's very said for baseball that basketball is

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like literally more exciting when there's no
games going on. Um. Yeah,

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So we're gonna break that down a
little bit um where it delights to be

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back. Fair warning, this one
may not have a ton of course you

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content in it, but we'll try
to load it up first, and then

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we'll talk a little bit about the
All Star Game, a little bit about

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some of the news that has been
coming out of baseball in the last week

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or so, and then get out
of here. But before that, let

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me turn it over to the mailback. Captain Jared, how's the mailback?

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Let's looking a little idea in But
we got one, only one in the

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weeks that we were gone. Well
that's not us, But what is that

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one? The question comes from Jacob, who would like us to evaluate a

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trade he made recently. He traded
away Anthony Rendon, Aaron Nola, Mamma,

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Mike Siroca, brass stripling, Jacob
Webb, and Harrison Bader and got

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back Cody Bellinger Luke Weaver in a
round thirty six pick. What do you

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think of that deal? So it's
a lot going on, right, There's

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a lot? Yeah, yeah,
So what this is is kind of the

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four nickels for a quarter trade,
except one of the nickels is like a

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twenty cent piece and one of them
is maybe a die. But you know,

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whatever, the analogy is, where
is the twenty ten piece counterfeit or

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better than a nickel? I don't
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about Funny, it does sound counterfeit
since well, you know, yeah,

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you can venmo me the results of
this trade later. But what, like

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what I think we're asking here is
whether the difference between Anthony Randon and Cody

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Bellinger is worth the remainder of this
trade. Yeah, cool, because we

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always talk about consolidating and trying to
get the best player in the deal,

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and I think we'd all agree that
Cody Bellinger's best player in the deal.

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But it's a lot to give up
for Coody Bellinger, right right, And

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you know, I I I think
it is kind of a little bit dependent

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on how many keepers you have,
right and a little bit on how you

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feel about some of these pictures in
particular. You know, I would say

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certainly Jacob Webb and Harrison Bader are
probably more one year picks. It's starting

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to look like especially a debater,
but it kind of breaks down to Aaron

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Ola, Mikesaroka, and Ross Stripling
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so you know, breaking down player
right player Mike Saroka is out over his

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skis, but he appears to have
the knack for a pitching and you know,

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I think we are talking like long
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almost completely lost it, but he
had it, and Ross Stripling is probably

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a number two, number three starter
on the Dodgers, which is probably the

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most frustrating organization in which to own
sat starter. You know, I think

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the Dodgers and the Astros are probably
the two teams where I've pretty much in

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my head devalued all of their starters
around or two at this point outside of

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you know, the actual ass is
that because it seems like they get good

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performance out of their pictures. Yeah, performance, I would say, the

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challenge of the uncertainty of having them
in the playoffs in particular. Yeah,

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so it's usage, especially down stretch. Yeah, you know, I think

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Ross Stripling is somebody who inherently moves
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a reliever, which is not the
worst thing in the world to have,

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and he'll help you during the season, but um, it's kind of child

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they you know, those teams both
have so much talent at this point,

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although a lot of it's vaporized on
Houston this year. But u you know,

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with the Dodgers, I think getting
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That said, you know, I
would rather have Nolan Siroca over we

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Faver, and I think it's pretty
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One of the things I've been noticing. You know, Fangraphs released their mid

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season Top fifty or I guess fifty
futures this week, which was interesting.

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Baseball Perspectives released their obviously minor league
update, which I thought was fascinating as

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well. Both great, but focusing
on Fangraphs for a moment, they did

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a draft of the top fifty players
in Top thirty players in Baseball, and

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what a lot of the commenters noticed
was that twenty eight and twenty ninety year

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olds in the twenty twelve draft,
the last draft they did, were like

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just tanked, even if they were
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And you know, I think people
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could hit the cliff. So I
think there is a chance they had Balinger.

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It's worth a lot more than the
rendown. Yeah, which is you

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know all that to say, I
think I would personally rather the rend down

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no Lass Heroka side, but you
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from. Put it that way.
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have the Balinger side. But I'm
surprised because I expected you also took him

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down on the Balinger side. I
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redown alone would be enough for me. But I think, I guess the

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performance difference is big enough that I
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a better hitter today, and he's
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years younger, m So obviously the
other players are good. I also took

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a second to look up Jacob's team. This is for n L three forty,

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and he's in last place, so
he's sort of rebuilding, and it

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seems like, um, this is
a good rebuilding kind of trade, consolidating

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your talent, and um, I'm
assuming since it's a public league that you

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know, it's a normal hard thirteen
keeper system. But even if he can't

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fill up those slots, he can
trade him for you know, early UM

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draft picks next spring and keep building
that way. So yeah, we Luke

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Weaver is certainly more than a flyer. He deserves mentioned as a definitely something

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of a keeper starter. That's the
guy that I asked about that you said

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has like shoulder and elbow problems.
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um on his way back, but
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down for Tommy John surgery in a
month as well. Yeah, but you

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know pures. Yeah, but I
think I'm gonna bet on the one that's

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already had arm issues like recently to
be more likely. I guess what I

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would be betting on is that Siroca
and Nola are strong enough that it's giving

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up a lot. But right like
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I think any quality pitcher is a
little less valuable to you. Yeah,

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so you know, I see where
this is coming from. It's probably a

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good example of a win win both
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And yeah, I think since we
can obviously see it either side good fair

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trade. Yeah, and I think, um, you know, not to

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pivot from this, but next few
weeks are going to be trade season,

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so you know, if you have
any other trades that you'd like us to

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evaluate, either privately or publicly,
feel free to send them to us.

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What is their email address, Baseball
Perspectives dot com. Thank you mail.

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Yeah, you're welcome. I was
gonna bring up the Fangraft's series on the

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next podcast if we needed something,
because we've got so much content for this

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one. I was wondering what you
thought of their Wander Franco position. Um,

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wander Franco who was drafted? I
want to say fourth. I don't

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have it pulled up, but it
was eighth. Okay, it was like

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extremely high low. I was wondering
if he thought he should be picked like

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zero, Like, yeah, he
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he'd be the first. Yeah.
So this is um and their conceit was

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value over the next ten years team
irrespective, I believe, which actually makes

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it a really good analog for sports
sheet. So yeah, doesn't because yeah

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yeah, and they threw out the
contract as well, so it doesn't matter

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what their current contract with us.
Yeah. Um, you know again,

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I think to me it felt a
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like I think Juan Soto, we're
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Yeah, there were players of an
equal age with kind of a stronger performance

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record in the mater leagues. Yeah, I mean he went eight, so

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basically everybody else was still there.
Yes, I know, Soto went sixteen,

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Vladito went eighteen. I thought it
was interesting. Fernando Tatis went before.

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Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Um, I can see it.

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You know. I think Keith Law
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and he's looking pretty good right now. I do think Fernando Tatis is

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a little out over his skis performance
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that is kind of not supported by
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already Stadcast type metrics, So you
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he's extremely exciting, so you know, you can only the hype train only

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goes so far down. But um, this might be the high watermark for

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drafting for Natatas And the next is
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I think in this case, the
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agree with it, that Anthony Randolin
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He remains the most underrated player except
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guess we could link to this,
but he was taken forth right, he

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was one fifth? Okay, so
who was taken forth Culdy Belinger. Yeah,

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Cuddy Milinger is pretty good. Yeah, I guess that would suggest directly

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that's right. Um, but yeah, I think that was where a lot

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of people, I think flag that
as good as Rondon is, it's a

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little too aggressive on him. Yeah, which I agree, you know,

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he's I don't think he's that much
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wasn't a draft of fifth and the
mock draft this offseason either. I was

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pretty surprised to see Matt Chapman at
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sort of assumed that I'm ignorant and
or wrong, but curious to hear as

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Matt Chapman at thirteen weird like guys
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but especially Juan Soto, Vladito,
Yeah, Sander Barts, Aaron Judge,

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Arles Correa. I think, like, um, you know, I

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think you could argue some plays.
I think Match Chapman has definitely helped himself

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this year, and us who specifically
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offseason do not feel great about Match
Happen in this moment. Gotcha. Um,

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you know, I think it's defensible. I don't think it's depicted at

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any any of us would make,
but right, I think you could defend

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it. Maybe not for scoresheet.
Yeah, although the one thing I like

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about Match Happen score sheet is he's
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Yeah. Is it gonna be choice
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mean one of the like if you
see the way that shortstop. You know,

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I guess shortstop offenses on their eyes, shortstops are going to hit over

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one hundred ops plus this year.
Um you know, I think there's a

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kind of not the third base isn't
two, but it looks like Chapman has

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the best rating, like kind of
going away at third base. Oh,

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Aaronauto is close, but after the
two of them, it's traps Shaw and

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then pretty big drop off. So
I don't think we're gonna worry too much

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about trappashaws defensive rating in the future. Um yeah, Uh, not a

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great moment, but um yeah,
I don't have a huge problem with match

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happen being there in real life and
certainly non scoresheet cool. Um yeah,

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any any other takeaways? We didn't
have this in their rundown, such as

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it is. But you know,
no I asked the questions us, thinking

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all right, uh, maybe he
can compare it to the mock draft next

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time. Run. Yeah, it's
interesting to see how players moved. If

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you have any questions about that,
we'll take those too. Yeah, hit

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us with your hot takes about it. Um So. In the meantime,

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this this week, we baseball has
been off for most of the week,

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although I did really appreciate that.
You know, I opened up the you

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know, my scoreboard about twenty minutes
into the return of baseball yesterday and the

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Worlds had already given up nine runs. Yeah, I want to say in

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the top of the our sitting shoo. Yeah. Yeah. So you know,

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at some level, um, you
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teens really did come at the second
half with like a brand new fresh start.

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Look, it's not their fault.
Dylan Bunny was pitching and he was

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hurt. They immediately put him on
the I l yeah, they it took

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for them to come up with the
injury. I assume they put them on

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with fatigue, Like fatigue, they're
fatigue of watching him pitch. Yeah,

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whip clash. Um. Now,
I you know, I don't know that

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we had the greatest of off seasons
in terms of prognostication, but Dylan Bundy

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is trash. Looks about as good
as Jerickson. So far as trash,

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those are true for our belt.
Um. But yeah, so we had

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the All Star break, um,
including the Futures Game, which unfortunately I

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have not watched yet, so I
may have some takes in the next two

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weeks. But I doubted. I
did watch. For what it's worth,

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I did watch the California League All
Star Game. Why did you watch all

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Star game earlier? Earlier this month? But time? Yeah, so,

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I you know, I'm not not
crazy evens like the hipster of features game

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watching, like the features games to
mainstream. So there's an interesting thing.

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There's an interesting thing about the minor
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pose yeah, because they don't watch
them. Yeah, then those of you

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who don't watch minor league all Star
games may not know. But but for

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me, a person who watches minor
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interesting thing that you may not know
is that minor league All Star games are

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kind of the rosters are picked kind
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games are like based on the player
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Nice, which is you know,
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all twenty five year olds in the
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they're having a good season and they
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the like every minor league All Star
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and two. It's like it was
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last record. Yeah. Nice.
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was a pretty good Um, that's
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You know, a lot of talent, a lot of talent in both leagues.

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Um. Yeah, but that's not
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leaves us with the All Star Game
and the Homer and Derby, So we

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can talk about the All Star Game
quickly. Whatever we think of the All

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Star Game. It was disappointing,
but it went really quickly that you finished,

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I think an under three hours.
I didn't hear that. Actually,

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all right, well you won't be
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I watched the All Star Game,
it was actually kind of exciting because I

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was watching to see if they would
acknowledge the existence of John Means. They

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did not, But like the whole
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like are they gonna pan to him? Is he gonna warm up?

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Is there any like what are the
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that are gonna have to happen for
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is the game gonna have to go
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somewhere around the board there would be
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Means gets into the game. Who's
who is John Means? John Means business,

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He's the Orioles lone All Star representative
because only what Troy Mancini was truly

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snubbed um, But yes, he's
John Means is one of the best pitchers

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in the American League if you go
by r and don't look at any other

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statistic whatsoever. But going by r
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in the American League who has not
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doesn't have enough innings. But that
acide, he's one of the best pictures

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in the American League. So we
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he'll certainly be in the league and
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doubt in my mind, no doubt. Okay, I mean if you projected

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out yeah, or you know,
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was sorry, We've done talking about
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The All Star breaks like a time
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season and see, like what's going
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follow baseball that much anymore, I
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news page and there's a story that
says Red's in new territory heading into deadline

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and the like above. The full
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and the club are in a position
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I was like, oh, that's
interesting. The Reds are in contention,

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and so that I pull up the
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they should be doing better. Okay, Oh yeah, they're okay,

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but like, come on, yeah, Reds in position to add to their

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you know, not as bad as
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why won't you let them have this? Because it's insane. It's a

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really bad decision. They should sell. Yeah, it's criminal. Um,

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they could sell them make the playoffs
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on like random bounces to break their
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Um. The last time we talked
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really well, and you guys promised
me it was just because they had beaten

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up on the Orioles. But they're
still doing really well. That's kind of

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exciting. Yeah, they have.
They did beat the Orioles a lot.

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Yeah, I remember, we don't
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most home runs at this point in
the season in major league history. Nice,

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all of them off the Orioles.
Surprisingly. I know that's not true

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because I saw another news story about
sorry all but five yes, so yeah,

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where it Trevor Bauer has given up
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plate appearances by Max Kepler? Is
that right? Yea, yes, it's

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pretty hilarious. I can't imagine he's
happy about that. Has he tweeted about

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it? That's what it really is. That's how you know. It's like

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burning his It's like keeping him up
at night. He's like four a m.

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Tweets about Yeah. No, but
if some woman or asks him at

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lied about it, he'll he'll tweet
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Yeah. So that leaves the home
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thing that all of us watched.
And if if you said to me,

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I didn't, I didn't watch.
I just know about what happened. Sorry,

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I hate to discappline, but you
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during the derby, weren't you?
I guess about nothing maybe, but I

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wasn't watching. That's what night?
Was it again? That's fair? Okay?

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Which night was? I can tell
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Monday night? Uh? Was it
Monday night? Oh? I don't think

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I was doing anything Monday night.
I was just not so so while you

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get your schedule in order, that's
it. H Now the Homer Derby has

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become the most exciting part of the
All Star Game. And I am shocked

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by this because they did a really
good job. There was nothing I liked

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less. Yeah. Yeah, they
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U. I heard some people complaining
about how like V Junior should have

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won and they need to figure out
a better way to like fix the elimination

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part of it. What do you
guys think? Do you think the like

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bracket style is good? I think
the bracket style is a little goofy,

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But you know, I think the
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you know, top four, top
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But you know, I don't care
too much. Brackets work, it

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adds, it adds. Uh you
know the walk off in every round?

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Yeah? Yeah, I mean yeah, I think I don't think it matters.

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I think anyone really carries who wins, and I think Blad is what

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everyone remembers. So it worked.
Yeah. I heard some other people talking

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about that. How like, um, a few years back in New York.

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I think it was when like Josh
Hamilton went on a tear and then

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like didn't end up winning because like
nobody talks about anything except like, oh,

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Josh Hamilton was so entertaining. So
yeah, the thing that got me,

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of course was, um, which
you know, I'm not the first

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to point this out. Um,
you know the record for Homer runs hitting

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around in the Homer Derby was broken? Was it four times? Um?

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Yeah, there might be a problem
with the ball. It's gonna put that

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out there. Problem. Seems like
it's working just fine. Are we going

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to segue what Verlanders said? Because
I totally want to talk about with Verlanderson

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I wasn't, but go ahead.
So, as I understand, I've only

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heard the quote, like reread a
couple of times. He basically just like

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dressed down MLB, like how can
you possibly say that there's nothing with the

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ball? And if there is,
it's like not you're doing right? Uh?

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I just thought I was like,
oh, this is excellent. This

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is like clearly a guy that's gotten
to the point in his career where he's

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like definitely not going to give any
flips about whatever the commission commissioner thinks when

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he hears this and is saying what
everybody's thinking. Has there been any like

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official response or they're just gonna like
ignore it and hope it goes away.

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official response. Rob Brandfred said that he

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was going to commission a study.
Did you look into it? Nice?

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Did you tell him you could just
look online and all the studies people have

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already done. No, I was
I was joking, unfortunately, he says.

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He says that he says that there
is an issue with the ball,

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but it was not intentional. M
so completely accident. Cool right, right?

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And obviously the problem is, of
course that their hands are tied and

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they cannot possibly in any way make
new baseballs between now and the agency,

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they you know, baseballs do not
exist. How does one make a baseball?

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Even and if there were somebody making
baseballs it's certainly nobody that MLB has

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any kind of contact with, let
alone control over. Yeah. Um,

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I don't know. Have we talked
if anyone like thinks there are too many

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home runs? I'm out two minds. I don't. It doesn't really really

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bother me to be perfectly candid.
Some of the other stuff an slar to

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it is kind of taking a little
enjoyment away. But the home runs themselves,

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I don't know that's true. I
don't think I'm necessarily opposed to the

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home runs. It gets the oriels
and the news. That's something No,

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I don't think so I mean called
me Dave, I don't. I don't

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know if I necessarily believe that it
was intentional. I just or at least

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not from like an owner's where.
I think it's hard. It's hard for

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me to believe that the owners would
get together and be like, you know

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what, they're all just a little
bit they're not. I agree that the

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owners didn't like get together. I
think it's more like the commissioner like left

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a sticky note on somebody's door that
was like Homer's good or whatever. Um.

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So I haven't looked into it,
obviously, but my sense from what

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I heard is that the overall run
environment hasn't changed, it's just redistributed the

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way that runs are scored. Is
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So I think there's like something to
think about in terms of like is

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the game you want to watch?
That? Like that, I think is

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why you hear old school sports writers
grumpy about this that like, you know,

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doubles and sac flies are going the
way of the Dodo. Yeah.

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I mean I would say it's not
only old school sports writers. I you

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know, I believe on effectively wild
the host of them out said too many

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homers they're taking the stance. Huh. It's like, yeah, I don't

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know. It's like it seems to
me like the people who are gonna watch

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baseball are gonna watch regardless of the
people who aren't aren't and this isn't going

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to move the need for people.
Yeah. Um, And so my thoughts

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on the was this intentional thing?
I kind of agree with you it wasn't

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intentional, but they sure haven't stopped
it. Yeah, And I don't think

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it's that hard. I think they
could have done it that they wanted to,

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so on some level, okay,
you can say it wasn't intentional,

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but like, yeah, but it's
hard to imagine the powers that be changing

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anything once the season has started.
Like that seems very not what baseball does.

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No, that's true except in twenty
fifteen when they chased all the balls

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in the first place. Uh yeah, so but yes, no, I

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hear you. But you know,
in between I would say twenty and eighteen

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and twenty nineteen, like this didn't
start in the off season. Sure,

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so, um you know anyway,
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that, you Ben, you had
an article that you wanted to bring up

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and talk about a little bit right
today, Oh about the one about the

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labor Yeah. Um, yeah,
So you know, I was in the

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process of getting need to talk about
baseball and trying to become more informed about

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the goings on and found a piece
I don't remember. I think it might

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have been on It's on USA today. It was today. It was written

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by Bob Nightingale. Um, yeah, you know, right, we can

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just get into so basically, the
thing that was interesting to me is there's

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a bunch of players quoted in the
thing is basically saying we're ready for a

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strike if that's what it takes to
get the I guess, financial and contractual

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stuff free structured to meet our expectations, and they're basically acknowledging that the economics

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of the game as currently constructed mean
that young players are underpaid relative to their

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value. And for a while that
was fine because the veteran MLB players,

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when they hit free agency would basically
get rewarded for what they had done and

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not what they were going to do. And then all the teams sort of

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collectively evolved to the point where they're
like, wait, that's kind of dumb.

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Why would we do that instead of
just bringing in more young players that

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are undervalued, And they started doing
that, and so then all the old

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players are like, hey, wait
a second, why is all the young

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players so undervalued? And so,
as I understand it, now, they're

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talking about trying to make it so
that the younger players get something closer to

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what they deserve, I guess.
And obviously there's some consternation about teams not

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signing free agents and especially players that
I guess had some type of draft pick

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compensation attached to them. Right there
was it Kimbroll and Kaikol this past offseason?

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Is that right that like both went
unsigned? For much longer than anybody

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thought they should be based on talent. And I thought it was really interesting

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for two reasons. The first was
it seemed to me like the first time

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that I could remember reading quotes by
players that acknowledged the manifestation of like the

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current CBA and did it in a
way that acknowledged what the actual motivation was

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for the teams to be Like,
Okay, we realized that because of the

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way that you know, players pre
ARB and then like pre free agency are

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paid, it means that you know, those are a relative bargain for the

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teams, and so the teams are
going to you know, shift their resources

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accordingly, Whereas before, like all
the complaining that I've ever heard was just

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like you know, why aren't you
paying us, or like you know,

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we're not getting what we're worth or
whatever else. M And then they were

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very So that was the first thing. It's just like they seem to finally

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have realized like, oh, they're
doing this because it's in their best interest.

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And not only that, but it's
because of the CBA that we all

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agree to. Yeah, and just
to cut in here from Clayton Kershaw,

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yeah, said our free agency structure
and our salary structure is that teams have

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a right not to pay guys when
they're getting older. The analytics stay to

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pay guys in their prime the younger
guys. So if that's not going to

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happen anymore, we've got to find
a way to get these guys paid during

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their peak years if they're not going
to be rewarded on the way out.

408
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:14.159
Yeah, which I think is what
you were saying, Yeah, exactly,

409
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.360
Yeah, no, that's a good
quote, thank you. And the second

410
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:23.159
thing was that they were so directly
brazen about making it clear that they were

411
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:30.159
preparing to strike basically, not in
a I mean, I guess partially in

412
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.400
like a threatening way, but in
a like we realized that this is the

413
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:39.840
reality of what we will probably have
to do because of the circumstances of like

414
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:45.119
the leverage that doesn't really exist the
way that they would want it to without

415
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.519
striking. Essentially, at least that's
how I read it, And so I'd

416
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.599
be curious to hear not just that
first point, but also like for that

417
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:54.840
second point, what you guys think
in terms of you know, I guess

418
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:58.880
from my perspective, like this is
the first time I've heard them say those

419
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:05.320
things, those two things so directly, but it also makes me wonder what's

420
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.880
going to happen. And you know, the first one sort of points to

421
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.719
like, oh, maybe we'll get
a CBA that makes a little bit more

422
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:16.440
sense in terms of fewer perverse or
unintended consequences, and that to me is

423
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like a good thing. But then
the second thing is sort of like,

424
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well are the players if the players
end up striking, is that really going

425
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:35.000
to lead to like a constructive set
of negotiations or not? And like maybe

426
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:37.719
they really have no choice, so
maybe it doesn't matter. But anyway,

427
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:43.440
I'll stopperamibly. Now, what do
you guys think? I'm Jared, Uh

428
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.719
yeah, I mean it was interesting
to hear it. I think it's a

429
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:52.039
lot of cheap talk. I think
that my biggest concern right now is that

430
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:57.559
anything to make these kinds of changes
is going to be a rather significant change

431
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.559
to how things operate. I think
I don't think I personally see a little

432
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:06.079
tweak that would fix any of this. And I haven't heard any plans being

433
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:09.159
floated, not that plans need to
be floated publicly necessarily, but it worries

434
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:14.280
me a little bit that I haven't
heard any plans that seem viable being discussed

435
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:15.760
right now, and I think that
has to happen sooner rather than later.

436
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:21.599
And without that, to me,
that suggests that we might be heading for

437
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:27.840
a strike or something bad. Yeah, And you know, it is interesting

438
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:32.239
to me that what you are saying
is kind of coming true, that the

439
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:39.039
owners and the players Association have kind
of negotiated on clampdown on first year players,

440
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:46.920
you know, have not really paid
minor leaguers, have instituted restrictions on

441
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:51.840
the bonus pools and the draft and
the international draft and the international market,

442
00:36:52.079 --> 00:37:01.000
and now owners are not and you
know, teams are not kind of paying

443
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:05.960
older free agents as much. And
all of this is rational, but you

444
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.239
see the money leaching away from the
system and from the players, and there's

445
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:15.280
no place where they can get recompense
right now, right especially since they do

446
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:23.719
not have a cap unlike other sports
where they kind of can peg their revenue

447
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:30.360
to kind of the revenue of the
game. You know, And I think,

448
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.519
you know, labor law, not
my expertise, but I think that's

449
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:37.760
kind of been the issue. Is
that sure, there's no salary cap,

450
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:44.679
but there's also no salary floor.
And you know, this is a lot

451
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:50.119
of a lot of the ramifications you're
seeing are from that. But it has

452
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:58.239
been interesting, like reading this article
in concert with watching the most exciting professional

453
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:04.559
sports offseason of all time lay out
one sport away and you know, as

454
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.880
as a primary baseball fan, but
at this point, I would say almost

455
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:13.320
dual sport fan. You know,
I was kind of wondering, like,

456
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:17.400
is this even possible? I think
there are some serious structural issues with baseball

457
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:22.280
that would kind of prevent this.
And you know, I would say a

458
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.519
couple of things. If you're not
familiar with basketball, a lot of what

459
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:29.079
you're seeing in basketball, this kind
of player empowerment era is just the result

460
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:36.480
of perverse consequence where basketball players are
not paid the top end of their salary

461
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:43.440
and so do not really use salary
as a measuring stick to choose where to

462
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:50.119
go, and therefore choose their destinations
based on other factors more or less.

463
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:54.559
But you know, there is also
a much more limited minor league system.

464
00:38:54.559 --> 00:39:01.000
There's a much more limited apprenticeship in
basketball. There's you know, there's no

465
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:07.159
baseball player who can provide like a
quarter of the war of the best basketball

466
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:15.400
players that you know, Lebron,
James Arianas not Decopo could are probably like

467
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:19.920
thirty War players, or especially if
you double the length of the season,

468
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.519
would be like forty to fifty War
players. And you know, there's just

469
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:29.960
not that kind like you can't make
that up through transactions. You could only

470
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.760
make that up through volume. So
there, I think there are some like

471
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:40.119
real differences. But I think what
you're also seeing is this drive to shorter

472
00:39:40.159 --> 00:39:45.440
contracts and to player empowerment, none
of which was intentional, have kind of

473
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:51.119
led to a more exciting game.
And two, I would say players being

474
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:58.639
awarded more, perhaps at the cost
of this top echelon talent, has kind

475
00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:04.719
of brought up the um the value
of the median player and the marshal player.

476
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.679
Yeah, why do you think it's
a more exciting game offseason? Right?

477
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:13.639
Just as okay? Yeah, structure, Yeah, I don't think the

478
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.920
game it's like on the court changes, right, it's like right, right,

479
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:21.679
I mean there is you know.
The one other thing is that kind

480
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:27.559
of analytics kind of point that turts
basketball like should be more exciting and forwards

481
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:39.440
baseball being more boring. But that's
kind of on the old stuff. Yeah,

482
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:43.039
I don't know as much as you
do about the NBA, but it's

483
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:50.039
definitely been more interesting to me more
recently. And I don't really love the

484
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:58.760
like big picture like um implications and
justification for like a salary floor in a

485
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:05.199
salary cap for individual players and stuff
like that, but it is fascinating to

486
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:10.239
see how teams end up spending some
of that money that might have gone to

487
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:15.119
make sure that the very best players
are paid with their worth to like the

488
00:41:15.159 --> 00:41:17.239
middle tier players, and then you've
got like, and I don't have any

489
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:20.199
good examples off the top of my
head, but you probably do. I

490
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.400
like, players that end up making
way more money than you would have expected

491
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:28.320
because the teams have this money to
spend and they're not really competing based on

492
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:30.800
money for the very best players,
so they end up competing based on money

493
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:35.440
for the like mid level players,
and then sort of like inflates the contracts

494
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:39.880
for all those players as the you
know, competition ramps up for them,

495
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:45.039
you know, from like a financial
perspective instead of anything else. Or those

496
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:51.519
players are looking to like join forces
with the very best players who have exercised

497
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.000
their agency in a way that lends
them in the destination that they like as

498
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:58.239
opposed to with the contract that they
like, because the contract would be the

499
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:01.039
same you know, in so many
different places, right, and in basketball,

500
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:05.800
you don't know the counterfactual, right, So I don't really know exactly

501
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:12.079
how much like Marcus Morris would be
paid if he was a if there was

502
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:16.000
no salary cap and no restrictions on
salary. But just in a you know,

503
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:21.599
in a baseball like world. But
I do feel like the middle class

504
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.840
player is better treated and the better
and player is better treated in basketball than

505
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:30.039
baseball at this point. And I
do feel like more money is flowing towards

506
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:36.920
players at their peaks. Uh.
You know, restricted free agency is a

507
00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:44.800
really interesting concept that basketball has that
sometimes completely uh you know, deflates the

508
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:50.719
market for those players, sometimes against
those players vastly overpaid, kind of running

509
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.280
the roulette wheel there. Um,
but you know, junking arbitration replacement the

510
00:42:54.440 --> 00:43:00.480
restricted free agency might be interesting.
I think shorter contracts allows for a little

511
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:08.400
more movement, perhaps at the expense
of overall salary. You know. The

512
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:15.519
thirteen year, three hundred million dollar
contract is really fascinating, But it feels

513
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:21.760
you know, and you know,
agreed to and you know, in this

514
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:25.239
libertarian world, it is a contract
that has agreed Tom, But you know,

515
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:32.800
I don't know how that is serving
everybody right now, and you know,

516
00:43:32.960 --> 00:43:39.920
especially if it's coming at the cost
of buyers downline making money. Yeah,

517
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:44.880
so I guess to make sure we're
still focused on baseball and curse shared

518
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:51.840
from your like economics perspective, Like, what do you think what do you

519
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:59.159
think is like the most likely outcome
if you assume that the CBA gets renegotiated

520
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.800
in a way that is maybe a
little bit more balanced in terms of the

521
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:08.280
player's perspective, and like, what
would you think is the best solution?

522
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:13.360
So, like what will happen and
what should happen? Do you have any

523
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:16.320
thoughts about either of those? Gosh, those are big questions. I don't

524
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:22.119
know. I think that I do
think that after the new CBA, more

525
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.360
money is going to go to younger
players. I think it just pretty much

526
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:31.000
has to at this point. I
mean, how much is going to change,

527
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:35.159
I don't know, But I don't
see any way that that both SAIDs

528
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.719
get out of this without funneling a
little bit more towards the younger players.

529
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:42.360
I think it's going to happen no
matter what in terms of what should happen.

530
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:46.559
I don't know if I've an answered
for that, because there's a lot

531
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:50.199
of different things to keep in mind. I don't know that there is one

532
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.599
right answer here, necessarily, and
I think it requires some hard thought about

533
00:44:53.639 --> 00:45:00.880
what you want to optimize, and
you know, thinking about all sorts of

534
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:05.960
things like the development system. I
think we'd all agree that players need,

535
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.199
generally speaking, need a little bit
more time developed baseball and basketball. How

536
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.239
do you how do you keep that
in mind? How to keep the incentives

537
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:14.679
for teams to develop their own players
if they're going to go away more quickly.

538
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:19.440
That's something to keep in mind.
Is it necessarily a good thing for

539
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.320
the middle class players to getting more
money at the expense of the top class

540
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:27.960
players? Maybe? I don't know
that That raises some philosophical and probably political

541
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:31.559
questions too. I don't know how
I feel about that necessarily. So so

542
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:35.159
I don't know. You know,
do you want do you want more fluidity

543
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.880
like in basketball now where you know, it seems like more players are switching

544
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.079
teams more easily. Is that a
good thing? I don't know. Maybe

545
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.400
maybe not for baseball. I could
argue that maybe it's not as good right

546
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:52.360
and maybe it's an aesthetic preference rather
than right. I think I got all

547
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.360
for change, and I think a
lot of change should happen, but it

548
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:59.760
requires I don't think there's any real
way to know what happens. Requires a

549
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:04.000
lot of thought and an estimation about
what the ramifications of any change are.

550
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:10.480
Yeah, but you know, I
think the thing I would most like to

551
00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:19.559
see it is probably more money going
back to the players versus the honors,

552
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.400
because I don't see any of the
long term trends being in their favor with

553
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:30.079
the current CBO. Yeah, the
players in baseball? Yeah, do you

554
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:37.119
think do you think the next CBA
needs to track the total, like whatever

555
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:43.800
average annual value of the like the
players salaries and contrast that against the like

556
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:49.960
annual revenues in order for that to
happen. No, No, I don't

557
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.800
think that's the only way, but
it's it's a way that I could think

558
00:46:52.840 --> 00:47:02.599
of pretty quickly, So you know
it's a way, right, Yeah.

559
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:05.800
I mean I think where all of
us probably would be in favor of more

560
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:07.199
money going to the players. The
question is how do you make that happen.

561
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:09.559
It's not like the owners are just
like yeah, sure, that sounds

562
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:15.559
like a good idea. Yeah,
I mean that's why this trick happens,

563
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:20.880
right, right, And I would
say, just as fans, I think

564
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:24.000
more money going to players makes a
more interesting game, So that that would

565
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.840
be my cards on the table.
Other than it's the right thing to do,

566
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:36.480
I also think it is generally better
for the game. That's fair.

567
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:43.840
I don't think I disagree that.
Yeah. Um, as part of this

568
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:49.400
and when we're talking Ian, I
pulled up like NBA's homepage to learn that

569
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:54.880
there's a really big trade that's probably
about to happen, but you probably already

570
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:57.960
know about. I don't know.
No, I do. I do not

571
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:00.960
Houston, Houston, I'm a city. Oh yes, yeah, sorry,

572
00:48:01.039 --> 00:48:06.760
yeah I do. This was we're
recording this on Friday, Yeah, Saturday,

573
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.480
Saturday. Yeah. Did it break
yesterday? Yeah? I did break

574
00:48:08.519 --> 00:48:13.119
us. Yeah. I've been busy
because my family is visiting, so I

575
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:17.480
haven't been on the internet much at
all. I was like, that's I

576
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:23.519
mean, that makes an already exciting
offseason even more exciting obviously. But yeah,

577
00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:27.519
and you know, I think again
for people who aren't familiar with the

578
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.440
NBA as a contract thing, So
this is Russell Westbrook and Chris Paul who

579
00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:36.599
are declining stars. It would be
I don't know that I can think of

580
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:40.480
a great analog, but maybe like
three years from now Manny Machado being traded

581
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:46.960
for Bryce Harper more than three,
right, but yeah, but I would

582
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:52.239
say exiting their prime, so three
to five, um. And you know

583
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:59.159
the reason why this happened in basketball
is, uh, the salary cap restricts

584
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:04.719
the choice with the teams. So
basically Oklahoma City could only trade to two

585
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:13.480
teams and Miami, and they were
or they were interested in trading to two

586
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:20.000
teams Miami and Houston, and Miami
had to do far too much roster manipulation

587
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:24.639
in order to get stay under the
cap. And so Russell Westbrook and Chris

588
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:30.559
Paul have identical contracts because their maximum
contracts and they're measured against the cap,

589
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.159
so they are identical, and so
they were able to be traded for each

590
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:38.800
other. It was kind of a
trade of I guess necessity almost or convenience,

591
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:45.199
which is the kind of thing like
you don't have those forces in baseball,

592
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:49.199
you don't have those restrictions for good
or ill. I think you could

593
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:57.440
argue perhaps from a like player empowerment
standpoint restriction those restrictions limit the players.

594
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:04.000
I do think it makes like dealing
with constraints generally makes a more entertaining product,

595
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:08.519
and Jem, you know, I
agree with that. My concern is,

596
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.639
like, all that rational for why
that trade went down doesn't sound like

597
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:17.119
something that would be enjoyable from like
maybe like a typical baseball fan experience,

598
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:22.199
like Manny Machado is chraded for Bryce
Harbor because of like the four other contract

599
00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:27.079
things and various exemptions and whatever.
Like. Yeah, I think like I

600
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:29.679
think sort of think that's fun from
like, oh, that's the kind of

601
00:50:29.679 --> 00:50:32.800
like simulation game I would like to
play, but from like watching baseball perspective,

602
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:36.599
I don't know, Yeah, I
don't know what the deal there.

603
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:39.199
So I guess the other thing would
be that in this hypothetical world, Manny

604
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:44.480
Machado and Bryce Harbor both requested trades
for reason or other, So that is

605
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:46.960
the empowerment, right, it comes
at the cost of their salary. But

606
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:55.079
they both kind of said we want
out of here. And you know,

607
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:59.679
I think that's the thing that keeps
that is keeping basketball afloat in terms of

608
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:04.320
excite meant you know, in the
off season. Um, but you know,

609
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:07.280
I don't know that it could be
mimicked by baseball and keeping it afloat

610
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:14.960
as an understatement though, Yeah,
like the NBA is dominating sports news at

611
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:20.119
a time when I mean baseball is
the only uh you know, game in

612
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:24.079
season right now amongst the big floor. But you know, I think anybody's

613
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:30.000
talking about hockey or football. Um. Yeah, but do you think this

614
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.440
is just gonna be like a two
week stretch of basketball news? Yeah?

615
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:37.079
On some level. Yeah, but
like Major League Baseball would kill for a

616
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:44.159
two weeks stretch like this, Like
you know, I don't know. Yeah,

617
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:45.800
they've never had two weeks like this, and you know, I don't

618
00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:50.159
think there could even be two weeks
like this, Um and right, and

619
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.840
like baseball saying this is good,
this is what we want to push for.

620
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.159
How do we get here? Will
lead to just a rafter on a

621
00:51:55.199 --> 00:52:01.719
intend of consequences. Yeah, but
um, you know, um, it's

622
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:07.239
it's interesting. It's just a lot
to think about a process, and obviously

623
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:15.119
we have no say over any of
it. So speak to yourself or anything

624
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:19.280
else on this topic. No,
I'm all right, I'm talked up.

625
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:23.480
Okay, Well that's good to hear. In that case, what is the

626
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:28.360
best thing you saw this week?
Am I going first? Um So?

627
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:30.519
I actually I kept a list because
it's been more than a week and I'm

628
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:35.719
bad at remember these things. But
most of these things are recent. So

629
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.039
I'll just give a couple of quick
hits that didn't fit the best thing,

630
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:43.840
and we'll talk about them in too
much detail, but we can dive into

631
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.440
any of them if you guys want. Um So, Homer Dew was on

632
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:51.519
there. We already talked about that. The Women's World Cup was on there.

633
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:52.199
I don't know if we want to
dive into that or not. Maybe

634
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:58.679
one of you will mention that more
recently, the Angels threw a no hitter

635
00:52:58.840 --> 00:53:01.920
was it last night or the night
before, for which was pretty cool.

636
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:08.119
We had talked briefly offline about,
you know, the tragedy that happened with

637
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:15.280
one of their players, and anyway, I just thought the timingness was cool.

638
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:17.639
So I don't know if you wanted
to, Yeah, well, I

639
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.119
guess just to say, you know, one interesting thing that happens with score

640
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:27.719
sheet or any fantasy sport, as
you end up with transference over some players

641
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.920
who are end up feeling like lines
of stats or more than lines of stats,

642
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:34.159
and a lot of that is to
say, like, you know,

643
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:37.920
this is extremely far down the list
of tragedies you know that resulted from this.

644
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:42.599
But we had Tyler Skaggs on two
of our teams. We've had him

645
00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:46.199
on teams like every year we drafted
him. We drafted him pretty consistently,

646
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:51.119
and you know, like in that
sense, I feel like score sheet was

647
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:58.480
our window or like you know,
it was our way into understanding him and

648
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:04.199
you know, his work and then
I guess who he was, uh,

649
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:07.519
you know, and so on some
level, you know, it hit us

650
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:14.719
hard because of this like stupid game
that we paid too much for. Um.

651
00:54:14.760 --> 00:54:21.880
But you know, I think to
the degree that it like we were

652
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:25.880
able to feel his impact through this, through this, I think it was

653
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.480
um, you know, it's a
blessing. And to have seen what happened

654
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:38.199
in that first game back was yeah, just you know, really something extraordinary.

655
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:43.840
Yeah. Um. So to other
small ones and then I'll tell you

656
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:49.320
the actual one. UM so much
on the basis of sex with my wife,

657
00:54:49.360 --> 00:54:55.320
which was interesting. It's about Ruth
Bidder Ginsburg and I I don't think

658
00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:00.639
I knew anything about her really like
five years ago. And then as part

659
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:01.639
of some of the coaching that I
do with some of the college women.

660
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:06.199
I'd learned more about her because there's
a few of them they are big fans

661
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:10.639
of her. And then you know, recently the Supreme Court turned over one

662
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:15.599
of the justices. I had learned
more about her then, and then of

663
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:20.400
course I learned even more watching the
movie. The movie is interesting. It

664
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:25.679
sort of made me reappreciate There's like
parts of it where they show like parenting

665
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:30.400
stuff, which is now like the
lens through which I see things. Primarily,

666
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:36.079
I was like, holy cow,
what is it like to be like

667
00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:40.639
Ruth Bader Ginsburg's daughter. But I
want to spoil the movie. You'll get

668
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:46.239
to see it for yourself. And
then there was a cool frisbee thing.

669
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:52.119
The team that I kept in the
summertime is like a co ed team that

670
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:57.079
was founded a few years ago trying
to do work in our community around gender

671
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:00.760
equity and stuff like that. And
the season's looking really good, which is

672
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:02.679
really exciting. And we had our
first tournament and we won, which was

673
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:07.800
like the first time we'd ever really
won a tournament. It's not like the

674
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.519
tournament really means anything. It's just
like a harbinger of good things coming,

675
00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:15.639
So that was cool. We also
got this cool I'll show it to you

676
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:21.239
guys U. I'll describe it so
that the people who are obviously just listening

677
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:22.880
to the podcast. So the tournament
is called Motown throw Down, and they

678
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.960
gave us this still kid yourself,
nobody's listening to the podcast. Okay,

679
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:32.679
Well, so they gave this like
vinyl that says Moto go on it.

680
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:44.119
It's apparently a film like Houston record. The only tracks listed are Saturday Night

681
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:52.719
Sunday Morning and says it's from the
album Ready to Roll, and it's got

682
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:58.639
like the different sections listed. Anyway, So the best thing I saw this

683
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:07.519
week was related to my daughter,
because that's how everything goes. She started

684
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:12.119
using utensils, which is like a
fairly like innocuous thing, but it's like

685
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.239
also kind of fascinating. It's just
you know, it's like one of those

686
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:22.199
little things you're like, that's it's
like compelling to watch her learn, I

687
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:25.079
guess, and so like it was
one of those like little tiny milestones you're

688
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:29.840
like, watch her. She's always
been fascinated with like watching us, even

689
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:35.239
of course she eats with her hands
because it's so easy and like why wouldn't

690
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:40.119
you if you could socially acceptable?
But yeah, it's like she's coming up

691
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:45.320
on eighteen months, so it's not
like amazing, but it's a little bit

692
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:52.519
notable. And that's why I don't
end up watching homoonder Reason stuff like that,

693
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:57.960
because we're hanging out and going on
walks and all that kind of jazz.

694
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:04.159
So anyway, that sounds touching,
And I will say, you know,

695
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:09.840
I can't remember when I learned to
use utensils, but what I like

696
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:14.719
admire most about myself is that I
kind of just, for some reason,

697
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:19.719
like stuck with my initial the initial
way that I hold a utensil. It

698
00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:24.760
just never really improved it. So
I do have like baby utensil? Can

699
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:28.599
I tell you the same way I
was. Actually, my brothers were yelling

700
00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.840
at me because apparently I don't know
how to eat salad, Like I'm not

701
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:34.199
capable of eating salad with the fork, So that doesn't science me at all.

702
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:39.000
Yeah, you just grab it for
dear life and then you stab y,

703
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:45.559
don't. I don't see what the
uh? She can't She can't tell

704
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:47.800
the difference between a spoon and a
fork when she's holding them, So you

705
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:52.239
have to like point out to her
that the spoon would stab things and then

706
00:58:53.039 --> 00:59:08.199
scoop things. It's pretty adorable,
honest. Anyway, Um, always exciting.

707
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:13.519
I guess I guess saw that next
because I don't have anything exciting,

708
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:19.920
so I'll take that little anchor or
the bill worry burry everything. Um the

709
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:22.559
yeah, I mean, you know, certainly, the things I saw that

710
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:27.119
were the best things I saw were
the things everybody else saw in basketball and

711
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:31.800
soccer and you know sport. Um. So just personally went to a couple

712
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:38.800
of concerts this week, both of
which were very exciting to me. One

713
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:42.960
of them one of my favorite bands
I've seen for a very long time called

714
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:50.000
Those Compesinos, who were I saw
for the eighth time now, which was

715
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:55.920
I know that's distressing. Um.
So. The one thing I will say

716
00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:02.840
about the Los Campesinos concert is they
managed to have burned off like all of

717
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:07.599
their casual fans at this point because
they just made it, you know,

718
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:09.880
to the other end of the hype
cycle where everyone else is like a die

719
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:15.280
hard or you know gone, which
for good or ill for them, but

720
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:21.400
for like it. Um. They
are a kind of loud, kind of

721
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:28.039
punky band and a lot of chanting
and everyone knows the words, so you

722
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:31.440
get there. And I would say
the way I've described it is it's as

723
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:36.840
close to being in the supporter section
of a soccer match as I have ever

724
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:42.880
been a lot of marks. You
have to hit a lot of chances going

725
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:45.280
on the whole time. And the
particular reason I bring this up, and

726
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.000
Jared can vouch for me, is
before the kind I was looking up some

727
01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:55.800
lyrics and I ended up on genius
dot com um to uh, you know,

728
01:00:55.840 --> 01:01:00.639
take a look at their lyrics,
their lyrics and their lyricist, Gareth

729
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:08.239
is um focused on Well, it
turns out he's focused on one major topic,

730
01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:12.920
really, and uh, you know, I've always thought of them as

731
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:17.159
kind of airs, a little bit
to the Smiths and you know, balanced

732
01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:27.119
Maastune and that kind of um like
witty lyrical um, you know, witty,

733
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:31.360
clever lyrics, perhaps replacing the casual
racism of these, said Morsy,

734
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:37.800
with slightly better um politics. But
uh, you know, I was looking

735
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:45.559
and you know, are these songs
about love? Are they about existential sadness

736
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:51.000
and crisis? Sure, but they're
focused on one major topic, and that

737
01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:58.119
topic is how many soccer references he
can squeeze into the game into a lyric

738
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:00.960
before before it ends, so you
know, if you ever, if you

739
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:04.400
go to their genius dot com page, you can find this for yourself.

740
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:13.079
Basically, all their lyrics are soccer
puns, which I admire, and you

741
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:20.000
know, I think giving yourself to
a lifetime of following sport is about the

742
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:22.159
noblest pursuit you can and perhaps that
is why I relate to them so much.

743
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:24.760
It is not the best thing I
saw this week, however, because

744
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:28.840
I also went to another concert,
and this one I did not expect to

745
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:35.559
like as much as I did.
I went to see the artist Liz Fair,

746
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:40.920
who you may remember from let's say
the nineties, from such times as

747
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:47.760
the nineties, and I will say
I had become much more of a liszt

748
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:51.440
Fair fan in the past couple of
years. Obviously is why I got there,

749
01:02:52.000 --> 01:03:00.880
but I was still surprised at how
relevant and current the song sound today

750
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:07.679
and listening to her it made me
realize how much, you know, I

751
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:12.920
would say, both the raves and
whatever pans there were about her, like

752
01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:17.800
how much she had to deal with
in nineteen ninety five being like seen as

753
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:22.760
the like I don't know, I
want to say like crude woman, like

754
01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:28.800
you know, she's she doesn't care, she has no boundaries, and like

755
01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:32.119
people saying that appreciatively, like no, no, this is just what is

756
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:37.159
happening and hearing it in two thousand
and nine, twenty nineteen, probably in

757
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:42.679
two thousand and nine as well.
You know, I guess in the in

758
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:45.920
the times in which we live,
and it's like, oh this is this

759
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:55.199
feels so current and so on message, and it was just the right music

760
01:03:55.280 --> 01:04:00.199
that we should have been listening to
this whole time, rather than dismissing or

761
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:05.159
being like, isn't it amazing that
an actual girl can write music? Um

762
01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:11.920
or you know whatever it was that
we were hearing back then. So if

763
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:14.840
you have not dragged out Exile and
Guy Bill in a very long time,

764
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:19.920
I'll stick that on tonight. You'll
enjoy it. So you're saying mistimed her

765
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:26.440
Window Bay a decade or more.
Yeah, I would say that, But

766
01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:32.519
I would also say that every third
indie artist now sounds like her, so

767
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.519
she will not be lacking for support
acts for the rest of her life.

768
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:39.440
With that, Jared, what is
the best thing you saw this week?

769
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:42.840
It's also a concert? It wasn't
this week, but it's it's also a

770
01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:46.440
concert. It's it's kind of like
your story, except um, the opposite.

771
01:04:46.480 --> 01:04:49.800
Maybe I don't know what the right
Sure, well, I think what

772
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:54.840
we're saying is like the relevant and
most critically acclaimed artists of the of their

773
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:57.639
era, right, yes, I
think, yeah, that's that's what I

774
01:04:58.119 --> 01:05:00.679
would go with. I mean,
so like the I think you know was

775
01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:02.719
the Woman's World Cup, But when
I'm talking about this is the concerts.

776
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:09.920
A few weeks ago and I got
roped into that. We had someone visiting

777
01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:14.400
from like our Colorado state office,
and she was in town and somebody else

778
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:15.880
was so staying out with her,
but that fell through Sona. So it's

779
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:19.440
like me and this one other person
and we were just gonna get a couple

780
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:21.960
of drinks after work, and we
left a little early. It was like

781
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:27.599
four thirty four forty five, and
we went to this bar just completely packed.

782
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:29.639
Could not find a see day where
went to like a second bar,

783
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:32.119
just absolutely there was no one had
to go to like three or four different

784
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:34.119
bars before I found somewhere where we
could go. I was like, I

785
01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:38.199
don't understand, why is it so
credit? It's way too early for like

786
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:41.440
us to not people to go anywhere. And then this girl from out of

787
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:45.320
town was like, well, like
there's a concert at a Capital One arena.

788
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:46.519
I was like, okay, I
mean, I guess that makes sense,

789
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:49.360
but still like this is this kind
of that's who could possibly be paying

790
01:05:49.360 --> 01:05:54.119
there? And and then so she
told me, she told us, and

791
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:56.679
and I was like, well,
so at this point, we had a

792
01:05:56.719 --> 01:06:00.599
couple, you know, to drink, and it divulged in this game like

793
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:02.320
well, well, I guess you
know, if you'd go, I'd go.

794
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:04.320
I'm not saying i'd go by myself, but like, if you guys

795
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:06.800
want to go, I'd go.
And I mean whatever, like if you

796
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:09.559
guys want to do a final,
I'll tag along. I'm not saying we

797
01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:11.960
should go. And we sort of
like daring, daring each other to do

798
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.880
this. So so just a few
minutes after the concert was starting, we

799
01:06:15.119 --> 01:06:16.559
uh, we went by there,
and then we end up scalping some tickets

800
01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:20.559
because it was like mostly sold out
and there were three of us, but

801
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:24.840
there weren't three seats together at the
scalper head, so we had to get

802
01:06:24.880 --> 01:06:27.639
two together and a one seat somewhere
else. And then we decided that three

803
01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:30.320
of us would just all stand in
the two seats, which as someone who

804
01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:36.800
like doesn't love um humors contact,
yeah, like that was not exactly what

805
01:06:36.880 --> 01:06:39.679
I was looking forward to. I
mean, you know, you know they

806
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:42.639
were, Um, I guess it
helped. They're attective, and I'm like

807
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:45.760
that evensid like just the factor being
next to people's like we could maybe not

808
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:46.320
do this, but like now we're
like at this point, we got to

809
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:48.719
do it. And then we rush
in and um. You know something that

810
01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:53.840
should have tipped me off is like
as I was walking the men's restrooms,

811
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:57.239
most of them were closed off and
turned into women's restrooms. Like it didn't

812
01:06:57.239 --> 01:06:59.000
register to me. I was like, oh, I just I At first

813
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.400
I thought it was like the men's
room like wasn't functioning. I didn't understand,

814
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:04.559
like why In hindsight, now I
get why they legally they just turned

815
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:10.880
into the moon's rest room. And
so we went and concert just like we

816
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:14.199
got there just a starting blew.
My mind stood up. The whole time

817
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.639
was like dancing, throwing Mahodians in
the air. It was is incredible.

818
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:23.119
It was um new kids on the
Block, Debbie Gibson, Tiffany Salton,

819
01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:28.320
Peppa and Naughty by Nature in concert
and I'm not not really concert person,

820
01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:31.280
but one of the best concerts of
my life. Just just absolutely stating.

821
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:35.159
I don't know if like it had
meeting and the way that Ian talks about

822
01:07:35.440 --> 01:07:42.119
Liz fair heaving meeting necessarily, but
like what struck meat was that that what

823
01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:45.159
was fun about this was everybody was
just there to have a good time.

824
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:46.119
And everyone was like, you know
what, like I'm gonna have a good

825
01:07:46.159 --> 01:07:49.239
time tonight. There was like no
pretension on that level of anything other than

826
01:07:49.400 --> 01:07:53.480
we're having We're gonna have a blast. It doesn't matter like which artist is

827
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:55.480
singing, he doesn't matter what song
it is. There was a time where

828
01:07:55.519 --> 01:07:59.599
like new kids just went into this
like essentially like eighties and nineties Karayankee,

829
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.559
and they were songs from like very
various other artists like who who knows when

830
01:08:02.679 --> 01:08:04.920
no one they had like five different
groups on the bill. They were saying

831
01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:08.079
songs from some other group, but
like no one cared. They were songs

832
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:10.000
every knew, like you know,
we're gonna have fun. Every good time.

833
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:14.639
It was like credibly like overly produced
concert that like you know, there

834
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.119
were platforms going up and coming down
and people appearing out of nowhere and you

835
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:20.159
know, new kids going to the
crowd and shaking people's hands and kissing,

836
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:23.479
and it was like it was incredible. It's just like everyone's having such a

837
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:25.560
good time. It was a blast. I loved it. Could not recommend

838
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:30.720
it highly enough. That's amazing.
So also, not as many people know

839
01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:34.319
Dibbie Gibson's they should. Dibby Getson
is awesome and everybody should love her music.

840
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:36.840
Yeah, well that's what I was
gonna say. It was it was

841
01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:40.760
Debbie Gibson the start, Like who
was the star of this for you?

842
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:43.159
Well, for me, that's what
sold it from me. I mean,

843
01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:45.439
look, I probably would have gotten
no matter what. But the fact that

844
01:08:45.479 --> 01:08:46.600
Dibbie Gibson says, like, you
know, I loved Debbie Gibson, this

845
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:49.880
is this is I'm like, I'm
sold. I mean I didn't, you

846
01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:51.960
know, I didn't really knew.
I knew a couple of New Kids songs,

847
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:54.880
but I was I wasn't. This
is gonna be hard to believe.

848
01:08:54.920 --> 01:09:00.880
I wasn't really huge new Kids on
the Block things. And obviously obviously I

849
01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:05.000
love Tippany's I Think We're Alone Now. I shouldn't have been more than two

850
01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:09.720
Salt and Pepper or Naughty by Nature
Stungs and that's all they got to play,

851
01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:15.359
but it was still fun. Sure, Um okay, rankly, I

852
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:21.479
think we're alone now, uh Tommy
James Rubby News. Yeah, if Tommy

853
01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:26.680
James is always going to be first
for me and then okay, okay.

854
01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.800
I have had I have long had
the thought that every generation gets the I

855
01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:33.159
think we're alone now that they deserve. But what's the current one. Then

856
01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:47.079
we don't deserve anything that's fair?
The uh, well, Tommy James went

857
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:53.479
to number whatever. Right, the
Ruby the Ruby News went to number one,

858
01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:57.800
I believe in the seventies. Right
did really good at number one.

859
01:09:58.199 --> 01:10:03.520
I believe it was h surprisingly uh
highly on the pop charts. And then

860
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:13.960
obviously Tiffany Yeah, um it is
a loud version and there's yes, Girls

861
01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:18.479
Aloud. That was a great version. I don't think I've heard it.

862
01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:20.840
I'm gonna listen to that and then
I'm gonna listen to this fair But first

863
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:28.199
then you listen to Girls a Love
Aloud is you know, the best girl

864
01:10:28.239 --> 01:10:36.000
band of the ever ever that's a
bold state not not not band filled with

865
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:42.199
women, but you know of the
like Spice Girl, and Generation Spice Girls

866
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:48.920
had a movie. Yeah, now
that's true. Um wow, but I

867
01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:54.199
think we're alone now one of the
various songs ever written, no doubt in

868
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:58.880
my mind. Uh yeah. The
Rubens went to number forty five on the

869
01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:01.399
charts, which is still surprisingly high. Yeah. Not number one though,

870
01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:10.159
and Girls Will I went to number
four in the UK, which is not

871
01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:16.239
as high as this course Sound of
the Underground, but high nonetheless. Um

872
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:24.800
yeah, and uh my, yeah, I just hope you had an amazing

873
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:32.159
time and that you are in fact
hay right sure, am Okay. On

874
01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:36.159
that note, I think we have
spent enough time. Hopefully we'll move back

875
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:40.520
with us something of a trade deadline
special. Please send your trades, if

876
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:43.640
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877
01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:46.720
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878
01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:53.439
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879
01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:58.840
on air for you. Please send
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880
01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:00.000
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881
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:04.319
behalf of Ben Murphy and Jon Wise, I'm me left Woods. Thanks again

882
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:05.159
and have a great day.