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Mmm, Hello, it's Tuesday,
March thirty, first, twenty fifteen.

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You're listening to the Giant Bomb Cast. Now that you know the date and

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the name of the show, I'm
gonna rattle off all the people sitting in

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this room. I'm Brad Shoemaker.
That's Jeff Gersman. Hello, Hi,

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you see again, I just throw
a little gravel into it. I don't

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know, it's Tuesday. It's Tuesday. That kind of thing. Yeah,

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there's not that much to it.
It is a little rough on your but

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yeah, eventually, Drew Scandal,
let me hear your gravelly void? Hey

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who going? Wow, that was
actually a lot more accomplished. I'm pretty

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used to doing solid snakes, so
oh okay, Yeah, you've put in

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your time in the booth. Oh
it's some more. That's pretty That's a

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pretty good David Hayter. I'm gonna
have to say, Jason a striker,

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Yeah, that wasn't bad. Damn
man, I feel out classed an DJ.

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Yeah, are you doing bread?
Everybody's gonna grow out some mean chops

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now, all right, baby,
Yeah, the big Bopper is gonna be

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back after the break. How Yeah, spinning platters daddy? Oh see,

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it's not got it? Yeah,
you got it. It's just a bunch

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of professionals in here. Uh Jeff, hello, Hi, Since we are

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Dan less today, oh yeah,
we all feel like I feel like this

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is damn. I wasn't necessarily going
in that direction, but all right,

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no, I miss Moss all as
how you really feel I saw enough of

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them over a wrestlingmannya though. Oh
sure, also he was all over television.

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I was gonna say, I feel
like Dan not being here is now

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the only acceptable circumstance in which we
can actually discuss wrestling. Okay, yeah,

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sure? Does anybody disagree with that? I follows Mania on Twitter.

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That's how I consumed it. I
didn't even do that. I spent most

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of yesterday morning thinking to myself,
should I just pay them the ten bucks

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and get the month and watch WrestleMania
tonight? Right, be part of this

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cultural moment. That's the cheapest way
to do it. Like if the pay

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per view out right, it's like
seventy I know that, I mean,

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I know it's the most sensible thing, but it's like it's more like,

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do I really want to spend the
four hours or whatever on this thing?

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Oh? Four to try six?
Wait, really, there was a two

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hour pregame thing, and then so
the first hour was just them recapping all

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the matches, which is like,
you know, it would be useful in

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your circumstances because you wouldn't know why
anyone was fighting except for Roman Reigns.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
then in the hour two they actually had

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the first two matches of the show
were a technically part of the pre show,

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which is in the in this era
of them controlling their own streaming destiny

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is just kind of insane. The
reason they do it is because those that

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hour is only on their streaming thing, not on pay per view. They're

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trying to come up with different ways
to incentivize people to stop paying the sixty

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five dollars and start paying the ten
dollars. Why would they want to do

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that, I guess of the tens
they're not splitting it with yeah, with

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with you know. Ever, so
like Direct TV dropped their pay per views,

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huh, they don't carry WWE on
on Direct TV anymore. Once they

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launched this network, they were like, we're not going to let you use

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our platform to advertise your replacement platform. Sure, so fuck off. Basically,

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so, yeah, it's I don't
know all that stuff has gotten even

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weirders as they have now had a
full year of their own just about a

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full year of their own network.
But are those pre show matches a bunch

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of like second and third stringers and
nobody cares about? I mean, like

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the bulk of the show is a
bunch of second and third stringers that nobody

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cares about. Like the tragic thing
is that there were people in those first

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two matches that are like really fucking
good, Like, man, these guys

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should be in the main event and
not necessarily stowed away in this twenty man

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battle royal or this like tag team
match. Constant good these days? Though,

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is it? Is it skill in
the ring? Is its skill on

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the microphone? Is it all the
above? Like what's the to me?

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It's all the above, But I
tend to like personally, I favor skill

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on the microphone over skill in the
ring. I always have I watch wrestling

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like it's reverse porn. Wait,
okay, okay, you care about the

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storyline. I really care about the
action. I care, you know,

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watch mostly about the storyline. I'm
actually just the opposite, Like I couldn't

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care less about the storyline. Really, Yeah, Like you should be watching

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Japanese wrestling or something, and and
I have been a lot more recently,

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and I've been loving it, Like
I've been getting back into wrestling because of

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Japanese, Like you're you're actually into
the technique of the grappling and stuff like

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that. Yeah, really, I
think that stuff's fascinating. And I like

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the kind of the set up,
the big spots that they go. For

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sure. I like that stuff a
lot, and and I like appreciate the

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art to a certain extent, But
at this point when it comes to w

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W E anyway, like that stuff's
all fine, and at this point,

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like I'm mostly just like, how
are they going to advance the storyline?

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What's going to be the cool moment? What are the cool moment's going to

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be? And what are the storyline
beats that are going to advance this thing?

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Which is why I'm frustrated all the
time because the writing has been subpar.

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Yeah did did the years wrestle may
need to do anything to change your

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mind? Not really, No,
you know, there's some cool stuff,

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Like there's definitely some some really good
moments like of wrestling in the show.

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For sure, there's some yeah,
really cool, cool spots, but that

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it seems like they're really well,
they're still like relying heavily on nostalgia.

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Like they brought out like d X
versus nWo shit like that, and then

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we should have been like a great
moment. But like, okay, god,

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damn it, all right, I
don't know if I should open these

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channel worms, but here we are. Okay. So, uh, the

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nWo in in today's sense, when
you think about them, it's whole Coogan,

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Kevin Nash, and Scott Hall.
Wait, like in the world of

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wrestling, in the storylines of wrestling, does that organization still exist? No,

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but but nostalgically, like if you
think about it, it's those three.

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Everyone they added after that kind of
like whatever, like we've swept those

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that that's like for laughing at of
like when WCW did a bunch of dumb

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shit and then in the nineties and
two thousands of like, oh, I

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remember when everyone was in the nWo. You think about it as those three.

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So they had a moment they had
a match where Triple H was wrestling

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Sting, who had never been in
the WWW before. Big deal. Uh

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yeah, sure, yeah, he's
fifty five. Sting is it's not that

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big of a deal. It's just
kind of a weird thing at this anyway,

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we kind of we kind of went
down the memory lane with staying on

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upf on Friday. Oh my god. Yes, but his transition from like

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blonde like surfer looking dude. So
like they had a ready made moment for

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RoboCop to come out at WrestleMania and
actually save the fucking day. Anyway,

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so they had a Triple H and
Sting wrestling, which you know they get

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Sting in there, Like it would
have made more sensence on some level to

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havenim wrestled the Undertaker because they were
both kind of like the stalwarts of their

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respective organizations and all that stuff.
But Triple H is a fine surrogate for

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that stuff. Also, I thought
he was running the biz. Now I

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didn't know he's still wrestled. I
mean typically he's he's like the he's like

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the Vince McMahon character. Him and
Stephanie McMahon now play Vince McMahon. Okay,

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basically they're the authority figure years to
come out and say we're gonna screw

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over uh And and you know,
Triple H is about forty five, I

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think, and he can still he
can still out wrestle most of the active

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wrestlers that they have. I think
it's better at conveying a storyline, but

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it's better on the microphone. Like
just you know, he can he can

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sell a storyline and sell a match
better than I think a lot of the

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people they have, which, yeah, it's probably a problem. He's definitely

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more interested, not interested, but
like involved in the business end, Like

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we'll see him once or twice a
year. Yeah, okay when it comes

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to wrestling, I just assume once
you put the suit on, you were

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just kind of behind the scenes or
something. Yet they try to make wrestle

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made a big deal. So so
they the back up the backdrop for this

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story somehow became WWE Versus w CW, neglecting obviously that the part where Sting

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continued to wrestle after the fall of
WCW, he just didn't do it for

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WWE. So like they basically erase
like his whole history with TNA, which

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is another organization that like whatever,
There's been some some great people that have

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come through there, but like they
are trying the Jarrett Yeah, yeah,

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like Jeff Jarrett's real real moneymakers.
So it became this like like they they've

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been so focused on nostalgia with the
launch of their network. One of their

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new series or one of their original
series has been the Monday Night Wars where

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they revisit basically what was the hottest
period creatively and ratings wise for the wrestling

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business when both of these companies were
going head to head right up until Vince

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McMahon bought out WCW and then owned
both sides of the equations and then at

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a head to head when like they're
both two separate entities, they were both

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on at the same time spot,
so it was a ratings battle. Yeah,

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they weren't wrestling each other, Oh
okay, yeah so yeah, yeah,

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so it was like business. It
was like they were stealing each other's

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stars and trying to create like it
became a very heated thing that led to

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like some of the best wrestling that
has ever happened in this country because every

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week was yeah, they had to
stop themselves, everybody out each totally.

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Every fifteen minutes was sweeps week.
They were looking at quarter hour bakedowns and

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we're like, well, this segment
sucked when you do this, and you

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know, it was that kind of
tinkering that probably led to WCW totally imploding.

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Also one of the reasons if I'm
wrong, but like the last time

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I paid attention to wrestling, which
was like the eighties to the mid nineties,

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Like WCW was kind of a nobody
for a long time, right,

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Yeah, they were always seemed like
the also ran to the WWS the thing.

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They're the weird southern territory that didn't
have Hule Coogan. And depending on

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where you lived and what you were
into, like you know, like I

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you know, growing up, I
knew one guy who was a WCW guy,

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and he was ridiculous. He was
also the turbographics guy. So he's

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the guy who he was double with
the Keats Like probably I feel I feel

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like exactly Simpsons references are a little
played out in the twenty first century.

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But he's lived in Shelbyville, that's
what you're saying. Yeah, more or

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he was the off brand guy.
Yeah, okay, you know, like

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whatever, and you're kid in the
eighties, like whole Cogan was the thing.

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Oh yeah, you're just like who
the like even though they had history

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together prior, like you didn't know
that you saw sting and went, why

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is there a guy who looks like
a bootleg Ultimate Warrior? You know,

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And it's just that's perspective, like
the reality is obviously far different. But

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you know, like, yes,
WCW was not WWF, but when they

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got a Monday night show in the
early nineties and you know what this is,

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they built a whole documentary series voiced
by Keith David about that very topic,

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and yeah, it is. It
is. Yeah, it's really good

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watch. But it's super well worn
territory that like everyone kind of knows all

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of the front, all that stuff
inside and out at this point if you're

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still following wrestling, because it's been
beat into you over the years. So

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this match also served as a so
served to the surrogate for ww E versus

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WCW. SO at some point as
the match was going on, and this

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is like spoiler territory for WrestleMania,
I guess they had Degeneration X the members

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thereof run down to the ring to
try to help Triple H as as they

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were the wc the WWF faction that
had Triple H's back back then, to

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which then the nWo came out to
support Sting like Hall and Nash, Hall

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and Nash and Hulk Cogan. Okay, Hollywood, Hulk Cogan. I mean

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he didn't have time to grow the
stubble, but sure he was in the

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Black and White brother But the other
thing that they've done by constantly talking about

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this era of wrestling is talk about
how Hall and Nash are best friends with

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Triple h like in fucking separable up
and down the road over the years they

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were the click, they did the
curtain call, like like the things that

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have been established about the nature of
their real life relationship is such that when

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the two of them come down to
ringside and and fucking tand Sting his bat

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and help Sting out in this fight, you're just like, this is the

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dumbest fucking thing in the world.
And we're saying not a lot of thought

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was put into this, this this
story beat. I'm saying, yes,

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not enough thought was put into how
that was going to come on, or

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maybe I am overthinking it, because
it seemed like a lot of people were

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like yay and just took it as
just like a weird nostalgia thing. So

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they needed like one line where they
turned on Triple Age. Yeah, like

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some sort of sentence that like sets
it up or something, but instead they

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just came out. They thought that
you time, and like on some level,

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those two organizations that were basically responses
to one another and in their own

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weird way coming together and having it
out was like a fun little nostalgia moment.

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But for me, it was like
totally destroyed by like the reality of

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the situation. You just look at
it and go like, there's no like,

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this doesn't work in any fucking way, shape or form. I've been

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there, We've done that. They
keep retreading it, and it's just it's

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kind of getting old. I would
much rather have them focus on a new

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talent. Yeah, that too,
I mean it was like a fun little

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you know, like it's a four
hour show. They certainly have room for

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the old guys there too, Like
they I feel like they feel like they

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try to serve all masters of this
and they end up sucking up. Will

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you guys make it sound like the
new talents maybe nothing to write home about?

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I mean, yeah, there are
certainly, you know, everyone's kind of

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got room to grow, but there
are people that you look at and go

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like, you know, they're just
about there. These you know, these

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guys are you know, with a
better writing backing them up or a slightly

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better vocal performance here and there on
the microphone, like they wouldn't have a

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problem. But the writing's not.
I feel the writing is not what it

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needs to be, and I feel
the promo performances are not where they need

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to be to actually for those younger
guys to kind of get over, as

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it were, go back and watch
some Mucho Man promo reels. Yeah,

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so he got inducted into the Hall
of Famous year, So there was a

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fair amount of that, Oh isn't
that a big Yeah, deals, they're

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like a really uncomfortable situation. Yeah, so with him, like he was

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in the video game not that long
ago, so they got a working relationship

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okay there, and it kind of
sprung out of that. It was the

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same deal with like Ultimate Warrior and
they patched those stuff up a Lundra blaze

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to some extent, like yeah,
they it seems like that there's there's been

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a real like olive branch mentality at
ww E when it comes to like reaching

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out to these people that you know, may have wronged the company twenty years

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ago or something like that. It's
like, ah, you know, we

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turned out fine. Everything's fine pretty
much, especially the ones who were dead.

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Yeah. Also, Triple H's entrance
was like a big product place scion

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for the Terminator. I've lost track
of the number of emails that came in

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just saying literally just like one sentence, just like, ask Jeff about Triple

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H's entrance. It's dumb. It
was, wasn't I have no idea what

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it was? This whole like weird
shots of San Francisco and like weird terminator

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vision stuff that led to a bunch
of terminators being out on stage Like this

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was like a straight up silver Was
this an actual like Terminator Genesis tie ins?

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Yeah? The rest of many a
logo on the set was done in

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the terminator font for the whole show. And Arnold Schwarzenegger got inducted into the

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Celebrity wing of the Hall of Fame
this year, so it was like this

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whole big desperate tie in thing,
and they had him raise up out of

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the ground and he had a you
know, his like big crown and all

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this other stuff, and he's holding
like six terminator skulls, okay, and

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then he dropped kind of sounds cool, but it just wasn't the the application

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being the trip late wrestled six terminators
to death. Yeah pretty much. Uh.

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And then also so that's the moment
where like, man, they should

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have had RoboCop to come out,
because boy, RoboCop versus terminator. Yeah,

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this is an ideas not been fully
explored. So you know, like

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that stuff just comes off like a
cheap marketing tie in. It's like their

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biggest show of the year, one
of their you know, one of the

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whether you like it or not,
one of their biggest stars. Like the

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like them cheapening it by making it
a big dumb terminator thing. I think

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it sucks for their own brands.
It's the thing you just look at it

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and go like, this is your
biggest show of the year, Like this

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isn't you think about the size and
scope of some of the other entrances they've

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done in years past, Like this
just just it was It was a little

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sad for me that that that's where
they're going with it. Demand drove a

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tank sounds a little embarrassing. Fake
Russian drove a tank. A Bulgarian who

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was a Russian sympathizer drove a tank
to the ring. That was pretty awesome.

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Coo, Okay, I don't know. I feel like there's so much

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history, like the Russians, I
were to try to start watching wrestling,

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I wouldn't be able to, like, yeah it was things like that nWo

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thing would have been completely lost on
Yeah, totally totally and probably just like

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like, it was weird seeing all
these people on Twitter talking about the Rock.

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Yeah, like going like, oh, the Rock's back, like the

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Rock this and that, because to
me, in my mind, the Rock

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is still like the Johnny Come Lately
of the like Steve Auston era that came

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in after the guys who actually are
wrestling, who are like Macho Man and

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Wholegan. I'm just saying that's how
that's how like rooted in the past.

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I am sure, yeah, definitely. But yeah, when when they talk

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about the past of wrestling now,
they talk about the quote unquote Attitude era,

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which is where The Rock made his
bones and where right where Steve Auston

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was king and he's still arguably like
one of the biggest draws. Yeah,

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I mean, he's a huge movie
star. He's hosting Saturday Night Love,

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He's like doing a ton of stuff. Should you say, The Rock is

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like the biggest breakout star that's ever
come out of wrestling. Yeah, yeah,

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with all the movies. Yeah,
I mean, The Rock doesn't need

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to come back to wrestling. He's
got his own thing going on that is

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like separate from that. He makes
a lot of movies, like hul Cogan

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made a lot of bad movies.
And you know, hul Cogan is definitely

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like a cultural touchstone, uh in
a in a huge way, maybe even

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more recognizable than The Rock and some
certain in some situations, but you look

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at him and go, oh,
that's the wrestling guy where he's like the

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Rock. It's like, oh,
he's the guy from the Fast and the

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Furious movies, you know, or
or the President of the United States quoted

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his catchphrase. Yeah, yeah,
that's true. Tho he did it for

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wrestling. I think really, I
think it was specifically Barak. Yeah,

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I think that that was specifically they
did that on an episode of Raw.

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Really yeah, wow, I think
he might be right. All Right,

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I'm glad we have this talk because
it's much like Drew, I feel like

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I've got more out of the last
ten minutes of talking to you guys than

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I would have have four hours.
But yeah, but in terms of just

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like catching up on storylines, the
one thing that they are really good slash

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really frustratingly annoying about is constantly reminding
you about things that just happened, Like

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think about like, Okay, every
Monday they put on a three hour television

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show minus commercials. It's about two
ten and by the end of hour two

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they are already telling you, in
case you miss it, here's the thing

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that happened in the first twenty minutes
of the show. And recapping is that

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just filler? Is it just stretching
for time? Yeah? I think I

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think that's part of it. But
also I like they do that so often,

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and and you know, they have
a whole hour of television that recaps

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all their storyline stuff before every pay
per view for to serve that same the

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same purpose, so you can think
at any time, Yeah, so I

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think they have zero faith in their
audience, okay, uh, and and

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to remember anything, ever, like
they they only reference things older than six

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months, like very rarely when it
suits them, Like there's this real like

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you get the impression that they think
that their entire audience has like the memory

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of a goldfish, which maybe they're
maybe they're right. I don't actually know.

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I don't actually know, right,
but it's one of those like frustrating

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things. It's just like this show
shouldn't be this long, and you you

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bog it down with all this bullshit, and yeah, I'm not gonna watch.

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No, I'm not either. I
was about to ask, like if

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I stigned up now, is it
still on there? But it's always on

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there? Totally, yes, definitely. I don't you know. All that

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stuff is like that that network is
actually a really good deal, and I'm

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it sounds like it. I'm like
a hair away from like not watching any

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of the current stuff but keeping that
subscription just to watch the bad, old

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dumb stuff that I really like from
the nineties. It's not like it's like

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that thing sounds like such a good
deal and so well put together that it

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makes me wish I liked wrestling more. Yeah, so I can enjoy it

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because or or you know, it
makes me wish other like the other thing,

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like the types of programming fit into
that, yeah, like if they

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did it for all kinds of things
like that, Like UFC has something that's

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like not entirely unlike it, but
it's not enough and and even this isn't

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enough yet because they still have their
television deals in place, so like the

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you know, the episode of television
that's on this Monday night won't be there

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on that network for thirty days.
Talk about Raw, Yeah, it blows

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my mind. Like I saw Dan
was posting photos on Twitter a few hours

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ago of like like yeah, you'd
launch on then going ahead and Raw it's

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like just came from WrestleMania, Like
do you have to be some kind of

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out of control masochists want to go
back to another wrestling event? I mean

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the very next night. Yeah,
well that's crazy. So and what are

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they even gonna do? It's like
how do they follow up their gala like

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once again events. That's the beautiful
thing about this specific episode of Raw the

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Monday after day after WrestleMania, Like
they never stop. They go fifty two

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weeks a year, like they don't
take a week off. But if they

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had to have something that was close
to a season finale slash season opener,

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this is it. Oh interesting,
So WrestleMania is theoretically like closing the door

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on on some storylines, potentially creating
some new options for feuds and other things

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down the line, and it's a
place like this raw is a place for

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them to say here's someone new who
wow, who is coming to the company,

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or hasn't been on television in eight
months because they broke their neck or

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you know, like this is this
is actually like a big installment of this

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ship kind of kind of clean slate
total. Well, yeah, not as

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clean as you want it. Yeah, they never do quite as much as

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you think. But it's not just
a continuation of last night. It's like,

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yeah, it's actually some new stuff. Definitely some loose ends, but

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yeah, really that's a big opening, just a constant like giving you a

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little bit of what you want so
you keep coming back. Well, I

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don't know, like I think the
problem they run into now and I think

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they've they've loosely acknowledged it to some
extent, but like so they they don't

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produce a product that's as edgy as
it was back when they were competing with

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WCW. Right now, the program
is rated PG. They don't bleed like

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they used to. The last night
is something of an exception. Somebody get

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it hard way, Yeah it looked
like it and then they basically, uh,

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it's it's not as edge as it
used to be, and now they

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have to serve all these different demographics
as a public company, and they have

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to basically have a show that makes
sense for toy sponsors and merchandise and all

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this other stuff. So they need
to have stars that are kid friendly,

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and then they need to try to
have stars that appeal to as many different

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segments as possible. It's why they
had someone like RAYM Stereo Junior in there

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for so long because like, well, I mean he he's like he's been

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fantastic over the years, Like maybe
not as fast as it used to be,

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but like huge in the Latino demographic, they had the Great Kali,

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who was this giant Indian guy who
couldn't move for shit, was boring as

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hell, but he was basically royalty
in his home country, So it made

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sense for them to have someone like
that on the roster. Like it's this

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very naked approach to it. When
it comes to that, I think they

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could probably be smarter about it than
they have been. But they're a business

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and they're trying to appeal to different
segments and as a result, they're not

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super serving any one slice of their
audience. So you have the people that

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have been there since the turn of
the century who are just pissed because it

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seems watered down compared to that,
and you have people that are into it

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now. There are kids and just
like all these different people that are trying

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to be served and it's it's a
like whatever, Like I'm you know,

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I don't think they're doing a great
job of it, but I think that

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they have an impossible fucking problem to
solve, So I will continue to be

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fascinated by this from the outside perspective. Totally with you. That's a smart

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place to be, Like, I
think that, you know, do not

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interest yourself fascinating business to observe from
afar, like zero interest in consuming the

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product. The thing that happened in
the nineties was that the behind the scenes

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contract end of things often became more
interesting than the in ring the television action.

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And for me, that's still the
draw. So I'm interested in this

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weird fucking business. And then I
watched the and it's the fucking worst.

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It's the worst. It's the same
way fucking people are about fucking comic books

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and Star Wars and even video games, to where it's like all I can

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do is look at it and go
like, man, this could have been

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better. I can think of eight
ways I would and it's just like what

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thing? Who the fuck am I? Oh god, damn it. I

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hate it. It seems like the
evonline of television. It never stops.

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Just once you're in, you're all
the way in, and then like you

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know, and then you have occasionally
come to that realization of just like,

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actually, there's like much better product
out there. Yeah, that's the thing.

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Like, Jason is not the only
one I've heard talking about Japanese wrestling,

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and you mentioned T and A.
I know there's some other like Lucha

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Underground, tons of weird regional regional
stuff. And then WWE has their own

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competitor, n XT that they only
broadcast on their streaming network, which is

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like their developmental league sort of.
But it's kind of breaking out of that

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shell in a really awkward way to
kind of become the thing like if you

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care about in ring product, actual
wrestling, they don't necessarily spend as much

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time on like storyline bullshit, and
that's becoming like the thing that I think

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a lot of the older wrestling fans
are starting to gravitate towards. So you

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would want to think that they would
eventually figure it out and try to have

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different shows to serve those different segments
instead of just cramming it all into one.

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Right, But that's probably better for
everybody, right if you can specialize,

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and yeah, I think so serve
more audiences. It's something they've tried

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to do in the past and failed
at. But I don't know. They

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announced like a slate of new programming
for the network as part of WrestleMania,

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and it's like they're doing punked Oh
yeah, with like Bad Grandpa and with

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but like Jeff Tremaine from Jackasses producing
it, like Jerry Springer is going to

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host a show Too Hot for TV
and Seth Green is doing an animated series

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that will be Yeah, that'll be
And this is all just on. Yeah,

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00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:44.480
it's all just on. They're just
like they're doing original programming. They're

406
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:47.599
going all out, well give them
that weird. Yeah, it's a crazy

407
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:51.119
it's a crazy fucking thing they're doing
and it has been for a long time.

408
00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:52.720
YEA fascinating. Like I said,
I'm glad we had this talk.

409
00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:57.079
I feel informed now. Yeah,
let's never talk about it every Okay,

410
00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:00.799
sold, I'll see you in a
year, all right, not to give

411
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:06.240
anybody whiplash, I know, going
from wrestling video games, like what two

412
00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:11.319
topics could be more further from each
other exactly and seriously just like zero,

413
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:14.400
like I think that the only two
people that like both things are in this

414
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:18.720
room. Yeah, but let's talk
about him, Jeff. Okay, there's

415
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.720
one game out this week that matters. All right, Well that sounds dismissive.

416
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:26.480
Every game that comes out matters.
Yeah, I yeah, are there

417
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:29.319
other games coming out, but there
are not a lot of releases this week,

418
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:32.880
is what I meant coming verge.
Yes, it should be out by

419
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:36.799
the time you hear this. Uh
yeah, are close to it and close

420
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.880
to it and depending on can be
a little Yeah, just on the PS

421
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:42.839
four it's still coming to the Vita
as a crossby thing and a little bit

422
00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.200
and then PCs like a couple of
months out or something. A month or

423
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.200
two of them, I think,
the developer said the developer developing guy.

424
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:53.519
Yeah, yes, it is a
hell of a game. Yeah, I

425
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.400
really really enjoyed it. It's uh, you know, it's an action adventure,

426
00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:02.039
it's an inventory kind of game.
It's a Metroid vein. Yet there

427
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:04.720
you go, I know, you
greet your teeth a little bit when you

428
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:07.279
say that. It's just so succinct
it is. I just feel like it

429
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:11.359
just gets as a people can do
better. That's the thing that gets me

430
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.240
about the term, like, like
there should be a term that sums up

431
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.559
these types of games because it's a
very specific things, like it's a progression

432
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:23.759
constrained, ability driven action game.
Sure, yeah, I don't a little

433
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:29.519
mouthy. Yeah yeah, Like you
know graph paper maps, which this has

434
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:33.319
explicitly some of some some games of
this type have dispensed with the grid,

435
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.359
but they still have the map.
Oh this is the grid. Yeah yeah.

436
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.160
And it's you know, like this
game seems to be going like that.

437
00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:41.279
It's the really interesting thing about it, and I think a lot of

438
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:47.279
people will initially dismiss it as a
result or be super super psyched by it.

439
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:49.680
Excuse me, is that the game
seems to be going out of its

440
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:55.119
way to look like Metroid. Yes, like maybe a little bit more than

441
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:59.680
I would like. Sure gets a
little too tile based to like, or

442
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.519
maybe it's more that some of the
tiles look a little too Metroid. Yeah.

443
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:04.839
You know, it's like you've got
enemies that are crawling around the platforms

444
00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:07.920
like the ones from Metroid. I
don't I don't even mind that so much.

445
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.519
It's just like every level looks like
it's built out of actual blocks,

446
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:12.720
you know, like, which is
very Metroid one like Minecraft or I think,

447
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.440
yeah, I think what it is
is that, like even even Super

448
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:19.440
Metroid, when they got a little
more horsepower, they they themselves tried to

449
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.799
move away from that a little bit, you know, yeah, like the

450
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.759
environment's levels and Super Metroid are a
little more organic looking in some spots.

451
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:30.079
Yeah, this this looks like you
know, you you load it up and

452
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:30.960
you're like, oh, I need
to run to the left first, right

453
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:33.559
because it's Metroid, And sure enough, you need to run the left first.

454
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:40.680
But there's no morph ball exactly.
So that's kind of the thing is

455
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.240
they get you a number of different
ways, Like it feels like a bit

456
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:45.799
of a rope adope. Like the
game sets you up by saying, like,

457
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:48.920
you know what this game is,
Look at this thing. It's totally

458
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:52.720
Metroid. Where's the fucking various suit? What are we doing? But as

459
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:57.200
it goes, it's so quickly diverges
from the weapons and like motion like like

460
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:03.440
abilities and can like concepts of Metroid
Uh that I think that it actually works

461
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.880
in its favor that it does look
like Metroid so much because as as you

462
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.119
go down the path of ability upgrades, you just get ship. You're just

463
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.680
like, what the fun like this, This isn't a more fault like you

464
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.640
know, it actually works really well
to help set it apart. Yeah,

465
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.880
it definitely sets certain expectations and then
just like flip flips those expectations. The

466
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.960
abilities you get in this game are
are not one to one maps to to

467
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.599
Metroid stuff, and you know they'll
serve similar purposes. You know, they're

468
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:33.839
like, at some point you're gonna
need to jump higher, at some point

469
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:36.720
you're gonna need to get up somewhere
and do something. You know that at

470
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.799
some point you'll need to get through
half hight little obstacles that you know,

471
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.920
if you could roll up into a
ball boy, that would be an easy

472
00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:45.160
way to get through. You know, they're solving Metroid style problems with an

473
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:49.559
entirely different set of abilities, and
I think that's cool. There are a

474
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:52.640
ton of different weapons in the game. They're not all useful, at least

475
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.240
in my experience, it sounds like
they're not all critical either. No,

476
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:57.920
definitely like it sounds like you can
finish the game without finding like, yeah,

477
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.079
as I there are several I think
as of this recording that I have

478
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.759
not found yet, and that's kind
of exciting because like I've I'm like two

479
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:10.119
three hours in the game, and
there's not a lot of like like in

480
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.759
Metroid there were resilient missile pickups because
because they gave you so little, they

481
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.880
could afford to put like a ton
of them in the environment, and this

482
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:21.039
is lacking that. But knowing that
there's a bunch of actual meaningful weapons out

483
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:25.119
there that are hard to find is
like potentially more gratifying in a way.

484
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:26.480
It's like when you actually uncover one
of those things, like it's going to

485
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.759
give you something real, right,
Yeah, And generally speaking, there are

486
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.359
notes in the game, so you're
you're finding text that doesn't necessarily doesn't know

487
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:40.160
well, let's say it doesn't necessarily
at first glance, have like a gameplay

488
00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:45.720
purpose, and you'll find like the
equivalent of like a Zelda like pieces of

489
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:48.720
Heart thing. You know, like
there there are health pickups, but then

490
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.640
there are fractional health pickups. You
need six of these equal one. So

491
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:56.599
I've definitely like spend a long time
puzzling out like how the fuck do I

492
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.480
get over there? And then finally
got over there only to discover like,

493
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.160
oh, it's one sixth of a
health upgrade. God damn it. You

494
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.119
know, like like you do run
into some cases where or not every single

495
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:11.200
pickup is the thing you're looking for. But yeah, there are a lot

496
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.319
of weapons, there are a lot
of movement abilities. It's got a pretty

497
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:19.119
good story to it that twists in
a couple of interesting ways. There's like

498
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:22.720
just enough story to it to kind
of keep you moving, I think,

499
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.799
And it's this the story generally,
I think is welcome. I suspect that

500
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:33.400
as multiple endings, but I haven't
necessarily, I've only seen one ending.

501
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:37.240
Are there specific like branching like player
choice type moments or is it no?

502
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.759
No. When you finish the game, it actually pops up like your stats

503
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:48.559
and they'll say time to complete number
of deaths, item item collection, and

504
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:52.880
map collection, and if your your
numbers are in a certain range, the

505
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:57.559
color of the number will change.
So my map was ninety seven percent when

506
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.079
I finished, it was a different
color and all the other ones, but

507
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.640
it took me nineteen hours to finish, so that color you know like that

508
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:07.200
one wasn't lit. I suspect if
you do certain things and manipulate those certain

509
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:10.440
those numbers in different ways and finish
the game, that you'll get something a

510
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:15.119
little different. I love that you
don't know that though, Like I think

511
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:19.039
this game. It was really fun
for me to see the Giant Bomb wiki

512
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:22.799
page be as sparse as it currently
is, because I just know that in

513
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.759
a few months time that thing is
going to be huge. Yeah, here's

514
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:30.000
all the stuff you can There's there's
crazy shit in that game, Like,

515
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:35.119
you know, there's stuff on top
of you know, the action adventure side

516
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.880
of things, Like some of the
secrets are uncovered in like really fascinating ways

517
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:42.960
that you don't see in too many
other games. Right, there's like one

518
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.759
in particular I can think of without
without having seen most of the late game

519
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:49.440
stuff that you're talking about. Like
it almost makes me wonder if this is

520
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:51.839
sort of an answer to that email
from a couple of weeks ago about what

521
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:57.279
is the next Fezzy? Like games
that basically contain mechanical elements that they're completely

522
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.960
different than what they appear to be. There's stuff in this game. It's

523
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.319
been so fun watching you and Dan
kind of compare things, like, you

524
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.000
know, comparing maps on each other's
screen, like you know, oh you

525
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:08.519
found that weapon. Where the hell
did you get that? It's been so

526
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.720
refreshing. Yeah, like that.
That's kind of the thing with like,

527
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:14.000
you know, all the weapons aren't
on the critical path and stuff like that.

528
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.599
It seems like there's a lot of
yet discussion. He and I finished

529
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:20.680
the game with different sets of weapons. That's awesome. You know, there

530
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.720
was stuff that he had that I
hadn't found, and vice versa, and

531
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:24.000
just like, holy shit, like
where did you all? Right? Okay,

532
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:27.519
I need to go back and get
this. I guess I can't remember

533
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:32.240
a time when I've seen people in
this office more excited to talk about comparing

534
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:37.359
their experiences. Yeah, and in
a positive way. The last time I've

535
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.839
seen it was like me and Vinny
with Dark Souls or something. It's like

536
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:44.279
it's got that level of discoverability to
it. Yes, it seems like on

537
00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:46.720
a different scale, I think.
But yeah, absolutely, and it's uh,

538
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:52.240
yeah, it is a lot of
fun to uncover that stuff and get

539
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.000
in there. The game is not
like world crushingly difficult. You know,

540
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.680
there's a hard mode that you know
makes it see just take more damage.

541
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.119
I didn't find that to be like
balanced in a way that I found all

542
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:05.720
that fun. But uh, in
normal, would you know you die as

543
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.960
a Yeah, yeah, I hit
my first boss this morning that I actually

544
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:09.800
died. It was the third boss. Yeah, it killed me a couple

545
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:13.960
of times. But like, this
is a snap judgment based on that experience.

546
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:15.920
But it was hard because I wasn't
really thinking about how to use what

547
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:19.599
I had already picked up exactly like
I was trying to beat it just by

548
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.239
like jumping to dodge shots and shooting
it in its weak point. And then

549
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:27.079
after the second death, I was
like, all right, this seems overly

550
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:30.079
harsh. And then I used some
of the stuff I had, like non

551
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:31.440
weapons stuff, you know, and
I was like, oh, that's what

552
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.760
they wanted me to do. That
was not apparent until I tried that,

553
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:37.360
and that made it totally manageable with
that stuff. To me that it seems

554
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:40.960
really smart. Yeah, I think
the again, you know, first impression

555
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.199
type thing, but I think the
hack tool or the glitch addressed disruptor or

556
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.519
whatever it's called, the thing that
you use to hack things is like,

557
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:52.320
that's what makes that game for me
so far, Yeah, it's it's trying

558
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:54.760
a cool looking tool. It's like
something you can try in any situation and

559
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:59.760
see if it'll you know, it's
like just platforms that appear out of thing.

560
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:01.519
Yeah, like creating a platform platforms
I don't know where, making enemies

561
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:06.679
behave differently or drop different things,
or just like all the weird little variations

562
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:08.599
you can put on everything by by
just spraying that hack being emailed over the

563
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:15.119
place. Yeah, it's it's cool. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a

564
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:16.960
lot of fun and and I think
it looks really nice. It's uh,

565
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.519
it seems deliberate and and it's yeah
in its style, you know, and

566
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.199
and you know, I think there
there would definitely be some people that are

567
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:28.360
looking at it and just go like, oh great, another fucking retro platform

568
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:32.760
or like who cares? And I
think that's like oftentimes that is a valid

569
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:37.800
perspective. I think we're we're getting
overserved, yeah, those types of games.

570
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.960
But I think this one in particular, like that stuff feels deliberate enough

571
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.159
to where uh it works. Yeah. The way they marry it with like

572
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:49.760
you know, the layer effects on
top of that graphical style that yeah,

573
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:52.400
never be possible on old machines totally, and and there's just like mechanical stuff

574
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:57.679
that you know comes from you know, Sprite Flicker and some of the other

575
00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:59.599
you know, like they're hiding a
lot of weird secrets in that game.

576
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:04.320
And it works like in the guise
of things that were technical problems on s

577
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.840
or whatever. It's smart. I
think what you said about it's subverting your

578
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.920
expectations applies also to the to the
looking totally stuff. Yeah. Yeah,

579
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.119
soundtrack too, like music, it's
layd enough to where it it sounds a

580
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:21.199
little more modern. Yeah, Like
you start off going like, oh,

581
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:22.920
did they really just compose this whole
thing with a square wave or whatever,

582
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:27.119
but then yeah, they start layering
things in that, like you said,

583
00:36:27.159 --> 00:36:30.840
yeah, much much more contemporary.
Like I just hit an area that's got

584
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:35.440
music that has like kind of fake
synth vocals in it just sound like really

585
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:37.199
eerie in a way. Nice.
Yeah, Like it's really cool stuff.

586
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:43.360
Yeah, yeah, it's a it's
a It is a wonderful game. Yeah.

587
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.719
I had a really good time with
it. It seems really cool so

588
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:46.840
far. It's it's too bad they
didn't get it out on all the where

589
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:51.960
heat didn't get it out on all
the platforms at once, but probably has

590
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:54.639
something to do with their only being
one primary developer. Yeah. Yeah,

591
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:59.440
it's just just PS four for now, yep. And I guess it's crossed

592
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.480
by with v so if you bought
it on PS four, when they eventually

593
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:06.519
do roll out Vita, it'll just
click in or something. It seems like

594
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:08.159
it would be a really good Vita
game. Yeah, and so yeah,

595
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:12.039
so I started playing Ori, like
that seems to be like, that's kind

596
00:37:12.039 --> 00:37:14.639
of going to be the comparison.
I think people like I wanted to finish

597
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:16.719
this because I started this and then
Or came out while I was already playing

598
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:20.519
this, and I thought, well, I'm gonna finish this before I start

599
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:23.719
on another game that's in the similar
space. Yeah, I don't. I

600
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:27.400
don't know that I like Ori.
Really, I'm having a hard time.

601
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.320
Were you a meat boy guy?
Yeah? I mean I didn't go nuts

602
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:36.360
for it. I didn't, you
know, like I got a long way

603
00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:38.719
through it, but I didn't.
I wasn't like completing every secret secret world

604
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.960
along the way and doing all the
super hard shit. So yeah, I

605
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:45.760
don't know, just like mechanically,
like I think Or looks really nice,

606
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:51.119
but just mechanically, I'm not it's
not clicking with me yet. That's understandable.

607
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:52.480
Like, I fucking love meat Boy, you know, I finished it

608
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.920
and everything, and I really enjoyed
the stuff that Or asks you to do.

609
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.280
The the ridiculous chains of wall,
jumps around obstacles without touching the ground

610
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:02.880
and right, stuff like that.
Like it's just stylistically it's very different.

611
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:07.599
Yeah, it's like shooting at things, you know, Like like it's the

612
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:12.400
trappings are certainly similar, but it's
it's not like it's more of a platformer,

613
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.039
whereas Acting Verge is much more well, I'm sure there's plenty of platforming

614
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:20.639
stuff in there, but it's largely
based on the types of weapons you're getting

615
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.119
and shooting at enemies and killing them
with different types of weapons and stuff,

616
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:28.159
whereas like or barely has a weapon, you know. Yeah, it's much

617
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.199
more about platforming around things. Yeah. Yeah, very different sensibilities. But

618
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.519
like I've mentioned in the quickly,
look, I think it's cool that like

619
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:38.880
there's this very specific genre, the
Metroidvania or whatever. It's like birthing these

620
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:42.880
like pretty divergent types of games at
this point, you know, right,

621
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:45.559
Yeah, you know, I think
a lot of people. I think that's

622
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:49.280
a that's a fantastic style. When
those types of games are at their peak

623
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:51.800
like that, it's they're hard to
beat. Yeah, you know, totally

624
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.239
for just compared to just like standard
platformer, which where it doesn't have stakes

625
00:38:55.239 --> 00:39:00.000
and doesn't have you know, like
there's no aggressions. Yeah, yeah,

626
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:01.760
you know, I think when that
style of game is done well, like

627
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:06.360
there's you know, it's it's one
of the greatest genres out there, totally.

628
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:07.880
And I feel I feel like we
went years and years after Symphony of

629
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.760
the Night, like you know,
there were the handheld Castlevania, but beyond

630
00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:14.960
that, like at least I was
sitting there scratching my head going like why

631
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.400
is nobody else making these games?
Like man? Yeah, then Shadow Complex

632
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:20.599
happened and that was like a good
kind of like you know, light in

633
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:22.599
the Darkness or whatever for that genre. But then that came and went,

634
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:27.159
and they still weren't many others after
that. So it feels like now we're

635
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.599
finally getting to a point where like
the people that want to play those games

636
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:34.079
are clearly just saying fuck it and
making them well yeah exactly. That's that's

637
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.840
the thing is I think that the
thing that happens, like you saw that

638
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:38.880
stuff coming on the PC, you
know, and and now that's more and

639
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:44.719
more of that stuff is making it
to steam, and now more and more

640
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:46.519
of that stuff is also making it
to consoles. So like that stuff is

641
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:50.519
now getting an audience that maybe it
didn't get before. I think that's just

642
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.440
a factor of you know, the
self publishing model become viable and just you

643
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:57.840
know, like this sort of thing
finally working as a business. Uh,

644
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.480
you know, it's it's easier for
those sorts of games to get out and

645
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:02.599
find an audience. Sure, you
know, acting versions and just something you're

646
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:07.440
going to some guy's website to download. You know, it's fucking part of

647
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:12.119
the PS four spring sale and all
you know, it's like it's got marketing

648
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:14.719
behind it. And and I'm sure
like you know, just the PC releases

649
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:16.039
what he was aiming for initially,
and yeah, I think of it,

650
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.159
and they wanted to bring it under
their wing and they did. Yeah,

651
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:22.440
I think that's that's exactly what happened. But yeah, it's great, you

652
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:23.960
know the Microsoft let or you coming
out day and date on PC and like

653
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:29.400
Sony's only holding this better. Who
knows what the actual business reason is but

654
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.559
but but the PC of release of
this will only trail a month or two

655
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:35.239
behind. Yeah, so it's kind
of getting out there too as big an

656
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.800
audience as as possible. Yeah,
I I recommend it. You know,

657
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:42.039
if you if you've ever liked that
type of game, Uh, you know,

658
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:43.760
I think if you know, obviously, I think they're going to be

659
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:46.639
people that just don't click with that
style, the visual style, or even

660
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:51.639
just like generally that style of game. And this is very much one of

661
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:53.760
those games. But damn, it's
good. It's it's it was a lot

662
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:58.280
of fun. Glad it turned out
as as well as it did. Yeah,

663
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:00.760
it's been a hell of a year
for games so far, I think.

664
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.079
Yeah, I was just speaking from
my own personal tastes finally getting there.

665
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:07.679
But like, I feel like the
narrative that we somewhat created for ourselves

666
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.840
at the end of last year was
like, I was a shitty year,

667
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:14.159
Like the game of the year is
gonna be hard to get through, uh

668
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:16.199
and come up with a list of, you know, ten games, whereas

669
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.440
this year, like I've played like
five games already, four or five games

670
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.280
that I could see putting on a
top ten list. Yeah, like what

671
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:25.840
what would what's your what's your what
gives a preview? What's what's like Dying

672
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:30.840
Light, Grow Home, Ori,
blood Borne and now Acting Verge pending playing

673
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.320
more of that, Like I think
those are all fantastic fucking games, Like

674
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:39.280
obviously don't appeal to everybody. I
would probably say Acting Verge and and Grow

675
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:42.880
Home or probably the two for me
that that on that list that Oh did

676
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.719
you actually play some Grown Yeah,
game's pretty fucking great. But but yeah,

677
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:47.519
I mean there's a lot of stuff
out there to the peels to a

678
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.039
lot of different people. Uh,
to be you know, three months into

679
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.559
the year and say like I've played
almost half a dozen really truly great games

680
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.119
already, Like that's pretty exciting.
Yeah, because I'm looking at it and

681
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:00.599
going like, oh man, I
had a field hard line, Like it's

682
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.400
been kind of a weird year for
games. Yeah, we've we've been playing

683
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:09.079
slightly different gigs, I guess.
So it's comforting though with all the delays.

684
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:13.440
Yeah, that's betting on so far
this year totally. Also, most

685
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:15.360
most of that, most of those
I rattled off not big ten pole games

686
00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:20.280
either, you know, a lot
of small stuff. There's anything I think

687
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.320
it's the games that are the ten
poles that are in trouble, Like,

688
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:23.880
that's the stuff that you know,
it's getting delayed and becoming out weird,

689
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:27.639
you know, like that's great.
Yeah, that's the dicey stuff and just

690
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.280
kind of running the same treadmill.
Yeah, over, I hold that a

691
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:31.639
lot of hope for the stuff that
we that are unknowns, you know,

692
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:35.000
like acting for it, like we
knew that was coming, but we didn't

693
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:37.119
really know it. To me,
Yeah, I kind of deliberately didn't play

694
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.320
it before. You know, I
had a couple of opportunities, Like last

695
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.840
year, right before three there was
an event that I saw it and watch

696
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:46.519
someone walk around for a little bit
more, and I looked at it and

697
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.599
said, that's probably gonna be all
right. I don't want to see any

698
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:52.639
more of it, and then just
kind of didn't didn't get near it.

699
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:58.800
So yeah, good times. Yeah
for everyone. Did you play anything else?

700
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.920
What else is going on? Well, you know, there's been stuff

701
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:08.480
I've been messing around with. Uh
Asteroids Outpost came out in her Access.

702
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:14.119
I think we I think we talked
about that game when it got announced here

703
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:15.559
on this show. I can't remember. It seems like the sort of news

704
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:21.559
story we would pick up because because
they took asteroids and turned it into a

705
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:27.119
survival like you know, survival game
or something, mind the asteroids and build

706
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:30.599
up your I don't know what the
fuck that game is going to be when

707
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:34.559
they're done with it. It's just
such a we we recorded a quick look

708
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.480
that maybe people I want to look
at because it's just I can't make fucking

709
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:42.079
heads or tails. Was at least
functioning today as opposed to Friday, when

710
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.079
it kind of it wasn't. So
we recorded the quick look Monday about one

711
00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:51.079
pm. According to the Steam list
of updates, they had already patched it

712
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.800
twice that day. Wow, so
rapid rapid iteration of stuff. They're you

713
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:58.760
know, yanking out whole systems and
going like, clearly this needs to rethink.

714
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:00.679
We're going to take out the stealing
system, and we have a bounty

715
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:04.719
system where're working on, you know, like stuff like that. But it's

716
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:08.000
a multiplayer like sixty four player to
a server game. You stake acclaim and

717
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:12.039
then you build a base there and
you can mine asteroids, and I guess

718
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:15.719
theoretically you could go take asteroids from
other players or you know, do something

719
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:17.679
like that, and you have an
assault rifle to gun each other down with.

720
00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:22.320
I guess, but I haven't been
able to find other players. I

721
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:27.760
hit the map key and nothing happens. So yeah, I it's I don't

722
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:32.280
know what the fuck it is super
early it is, it is super early.

723
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:37.199
Like I don't want to necessarily pass
judgment on this game beyond like the

724
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:44.920
concept of the Asteroid's name appearing on
this weird space survival game and like how

725
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:50.159
far away it is from actual Asteroids
and Asteroids Deluxe? Would you rather have

726
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.280
just had a new Asteroids though?
Because what is you know, like,

727
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:57.800
what's that like? I mean some
kind of like I don't know, you

728
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.440
know, that's like Superstartusts kind of
did that exactly. And I don't necessarily

729
00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:04.320
have a lot of love for that
game, you know. It's yeah,

730
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.639
totally, like I don't. I
don't think that there's a way to make

731
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:12.239
a game that is a solid homage
to original Asteroids that people would necessarily want

732
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:14.960
to play in this day and age. What if it was vector graphics,

733
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.880
I mean, yeah, sure you
could do stuff like that, or you

734
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:21.280
know, you could say, like, well, let's look at what pac

735
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:24.280
Man ceed X does for pac man, and how do we apply some of

736
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:29.079
those ideas to Asteroids. I'm not
saying that there's zero way to come up

737
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:36.679
with a compelling Asteroids game, but
I don't know, like what, like,

738
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:38.400
how did they get to this point
looking at that thing? I don't

739
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:42.599
know that anybody knows. It's just
like it's like the other shoe to the

740
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.880
tempest stuff that's been going on of
just like what the fuck is a Tari?

741
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:52.559
They're published, They're clearly a publisher
because they're listed as the publish exactly

742
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.320
like they're publishing this Asteroids game and
you know, trying like sending seasoned assists

743
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.760
to Jeff mentor over t XK,
like you know, they're they're definitely like

744
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.880
doing stuff with their old properties,
but like, you know, what,

745
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:07.960
what what is it the right stuff? Yeah? I don't know. I

746
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.920
don't know. I guess, like
what do you do if you're Atari in

747
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:14.079
this day and age? Anyway?
Like that's just such a weird. So

748
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:20.239
who's developing this? I think they're
not listed as having done anything else on

749
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.760
Steam, but I don't know what
the backstory on the developer is. This

750
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:27.559
is a weird curiosity. Yeah,
yeah, I can't I can't help but

751
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.480
follow it to a certain extent,
which I guess is like, like I

752
00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.559
was saying, like that's the benefit
of them naming it asteroids is there would

753
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.679
be like another dime a dozen one
of these fucking games. But now I'm

754
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:38.320
looking at it and going like what
the fuck they knew what they were doing?

755
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:42.199
Why? You know? Which is
that a good or a bad thing?

756
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:45.159
That's the value of those ips you
can't resist? Sure, Yeah,

757
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.280
yeah, I guess and they know
it. Uh yeah, yeah, so

758
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:52.239
iro that I played a little bit
of Dirty Bomb, which is in some

759
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:54.960
kind of closed beta right now.
Brink dudes, right, yeah, it's

760
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.079
a free to play. It's a
free to play Brink. You know.

761
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.599
It's like that type of objective based
game with like load out cards that you

762
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:05.599
have to like hope you get the
right card that's got the right stuff on

763
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.840
it, and that's that stuff doesn't
look so hot, So I hang on.

764
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:13.280
They keep billing that thing as a
return to form for those guys,

765
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.119
would you know, from when they
made like Sill stop Watch Mode, if

766
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:19.159
they made wolf Et and all that
stuff, and they kind of the uh

767
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:23.400
huh, the pitches for for Dirty
Bond that I keep hearing that was yeah,

768
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.400
but that was the that was Brink, right, I mean Brink was

769
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:32.039
also I don't know, those modes
like that objective based thing. Yeah.

770
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:37.079
Yeah, like that Brink falls writing
line with their past work. I think,

771
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.239
you know, does this have any
of the mobility stuff of Brink,

772
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:44.360
the parkour or the sliding and vaulting
and stuff like that. Doesn't I don't,

773
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:46.960
No. I watched the b roll
of it and I didn't see any

774
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:52.039
I don't think so, Okay,
it feels more just like you know,

775
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:57.480
right mouse button, left, mouse
button on the shooting and that sort of

776
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.599
stuff. Like it's definitely iron sights
and that sort of thing, but it's

777
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:01.960
objectives, you know. It's like, oh, go attack this objective and

778
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.480
now stop these guys from getting here, and everybody got tickets, you know,

779
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:08.760
or whatever it is. And then
for a bunch of free to play

780
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:12.760
hooks. It's like it's it's like
the concepts of Brink with a new graphical

781
00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:15.599
style and then a bunch of free
to play hooks thrown in along the way.

782
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:17.440
Like that's a super reductive way of
looking at it. And I'm sure

783
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:21.360
that there's nuance there that I didn't
get out of the few matches I played.

784
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.760
But that's that's my kind of initial
impression, all right, is that

785
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:30.920
it's that kind of objective based team
shooter. Are you floating on a garbage

786
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.039
trash island or are you trying to
get to one? Sadly, I have

787
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:38.519
not seen a garbage trash island or
anything any kind of future cities. It's

788
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:43.119
not the water world yeah in this
game, so I don't know that they're

789
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.679
doing that aspect of it. But
they've got character. It's gets class based,

790
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.760
so you know, it's like you
want to play as sky Hammer and

791
00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:52.159
he's got two abilities that I think
it's sky Ham, right, I've been

792
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.360
making that up. I don't think
I made that up because he leap out

793
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:57.360
of the sky with the hammer.
No, you can call it smash the

794
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.320
grounds, like oh okay, so
it's more of a figurative hammer. Yeah,

795
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:02.079
yeah, Okay, by hammer they
mean missiles. Yeah, all right,

796
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:06.400
but you know he's got assault rifle
pistol and you know, like like

797
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:08.679
they're at least on the default load
out that I saw, and then they

798
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:13.239
have like multiple tiers of cards for
the load out cards and you can earn

799
00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.360
currency by packs of cars like this
that element of it, and I don't

800
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:19.519
know, like I just keep looking
at the thing going like that's I don't

801
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.440
maybe not my thing. All right, they got a great name. It

802
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:25.920
is a great name. Dirty bomb
is a great name for dirty video is

803
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.039
a great name for a video game
or anything. Yeah, totally, it's

804
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:34.800
a great name for like a drink. Yeah, you're first born, Yeah,

805
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:38.000
meat, little dirty bomb, dirty
bomb shoemaker. Yep, that's ye,

806
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:43.960
coming soon into a No, never
mind, let's move on. Jason,

807
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:51.440
has your Blood Born four five?
Told me about burns in something like

808
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:52.519
that? Those are the bosses,
right they called blood Point? Yes?

809
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.199
Yes? Uh yeah, Wait are
the bosses called the blood Born? No?

810
00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:00.400
No, no, man, that
would be really fucking cheesy. So

811
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.679
I think, yeah, yeah,
everything is opposed to all the other super

812
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:09.000
serious, fucking occult shit hats.
So five bosses, Yeah, five bosses

813
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:14.000
game. Game is not grabbing me
as much as you know, like a

814
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.320
slar Souls game. I think it
might be a little bit of just souls

815
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:22.679
fatigue wasn't too terribly long ago,
and this is definitely like a kind of

816
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:28.280
a leaner, meaner, you know, souls experience, uh, which that's

817
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.679
a positive thing. Going for it, I think, but it's the lack

818
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:34.719
of shield kind of more active combat
stuff, Like it's intriguing and it takes

819
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.400
some getting used to, especially if
you're used to using a shield. Does

820
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:39.000
it feel like a huge difference.
It is a big Yeah, it definitely

821
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:43.440
is. Yea, yeah, I
mean, well if you used a shield,

822
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:46.840
it's a huge difference kind of like
if you mean it's a difference in

823
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:50.480
like you didn't like the Dark Souls
games, but it will make you like

824
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.480
this. No, I don't think. No, not at all. Okay,

825
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:53.360
not at all, Yeah, not
at all. You're really just kind

826
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:58.679
of replacing your defense with an offensive
like evade if that makes any sense.

827
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:01.079
It doesn't like it doesn't. It
doesn't gun sort of serve as a shield

828
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.639
kind of well yeah, yeah,
small kind of way, so you can

829
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:07.199
parry things, you know, with
the guns. It sort of fills the

830
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:09.840
same role. Yeah, but it's
it is. It absolutely is the same

831
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:15.400
kind of game with relatively minor differences. Like if you hated Dark Souls,

832
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.000
I will stand by this, you
will not like blood Borne. Yeah,

833
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:20.800
it's it's very much in that in
that same vein. So what if I

834
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.760
like thinking about it, Well,
what if you, if you, I

835
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:28.320
guess, like that's the thing is, I think about every one of these

836
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:31.159
games will come out. I don't
think it's an it just like every one

837
00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:35.039
of them fails to grab me in
more or less the same way and right

838
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:38.079
around the same time. Yeah,
yeah, I can see that in a

839
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:43.880
lot of ways. This this game
is a little a little more lenient I

840
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.119
think, so a little more in
certain aspects. But at the same time,

841
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:51.400
they've really try and force you to
like learn that game to begin with

842
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:53.000
before it, you know, because
it takes a while to get insight before

843
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.960
you can like start leveling up and
everything like that. So they really focus

844
00:51:57.039 --> 00:52:00.840
on learning the mechanics. Yeah,
but I think after that it tends to

845
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:02.840
get a little bit easier. There's
no real destriment to dying so much as

846
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:07.280
just losing your blood sharks. Yeah, I mean in the sense that they

847
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.400
took out the hollowed stuff. Yeah, so there's a few things that kind

848
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:13.880
of make it. There's some like
just quality life improvements, I guess.

849
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.159
So I don't know, it still
is KG with like here's how this system

850
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:20.039
works. So yeah, absolutely,
like that is I mean, yeah,

851
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.480
that is core to that series and
all the people out there, Like when

852
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.119
the Daily Embargo came up, that's
said like, oh, it's the most

853
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.559
accessible one yet I was like,
what are you talking. It's like,

854
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:29.960
no, I think you just know
what to look for in these games better

855
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:32.360
because it's just as obscure. Do
you think that that's something that they felt

856
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.239
very strongly about out of the gate
with Demon Souls that was like a big

857
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:38.320
part of that game, or do
you think that this is something they fell

858
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:42.000
into. It's hard to say.
I don't know. I mean from what

859
00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:46.679
from what I know about these games
is that they could probably draw some kind

860
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:52.079
of asking Forge comparison is that they
they subvert a lot of what people came

861
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:53.920
to expect from the third person.
So, yeah, you're right about the

862
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:59.880
genre. You're right about the thus
Lee I think would probably be really into

863
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:05.079
you, uh again, stub burding
your expectation and not telling you about it.

864
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.440
You know, Miyazaki, the main
guy, has been out there saying

865
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:09.800
like, you know, he prefers
that style of storytelling where it doesn't spell

866
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:12.960
everything out, you know, and
it kind of leaves you in the dark,

867
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:16.039
like mechanically, mechanically, that's the
thing for me. It's like storyline

868
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:19.159
like whatever. Yeah, like you
know, pick a style, stick to

869
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.239
it like whatever. That makes total
sense. So my my understanding of the

870
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:24.400
arc of Demon Souls. And I'm
sure people write in and correct this,

871
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:28.280
but is that like people were importing
it out of Japan, and I think

872
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.360
there was maybe an Asian release,
like you know how they'll you'll get like

873
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:34.559
the non japan specific like Asian release
that I think has English in it.

874
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.880
Yeah, English instructure. I think
it not always it was something like that

875
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:43.039
where like you know, Demon Souls
was a like an actual true sleeper hit

876
00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.000
right, yeah, like or maybe
even hit is I remember I Vinnie get

877
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.519
getting it right in the office and
like and the rest of us going to

878
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:52.039
pay this for a few hours.
Yeah, we could maybe do a quick

879
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:53.360
look at yeah, and the rest
of us so I can watch that quickly.

880
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:55.719
Yeah, So I think this is
how this works. And every other

881
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:59.280
rest of us is looking at it
and go like what the fly are you

882
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:00.599
playing it? I can look at
and just go like, yep, that's

883
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.719
from software. A bunch of games
that you look at and go like nah,

884
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.960
right, So, which is a
sad when they make mech games because

885
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:09.559
you look at him go mans look
cool, but boy, I don't want

886
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:14.599
to play these games. Three Dot
Game Heroes. Yeah, now that's a

887
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:16.639
game. That's a damn ass game. I might say that the rest of

888
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:21.679
the from Software catalog holds nothing for
me. Let some of the early Armory

889
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:23.159
Courts stuff I get into, Yeah, more recent stuff, that's But to

890
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.679
answer your question, I don't know
if it was. I can't answer the

891
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:30.199
chicken and egg part of that question
because like Demon Souls came out and was

892
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.559
a sleeper thing, and you know, people very like rapidly exchange information online

893
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:37.239
trying to figure it out and stuff
because there were no resources out there.

894
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.800
And I don't know if like the
rest of the series just picked that up

895
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:44.159
and ran with it, or if
that was their intention from the get go.

896
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.320
But based on what a lot of
people say, we could go back

897
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:52.079
and look at like Kingsfield stuff like
that and see the similarities and like the

898
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.639
seeds of because Kingsfield was total fucking
nonsense. Yeah that's what I like.

899
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:59.400
I remember getting those games in the
office when they were coming out and just

900
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.840
going like, what fuck man,
who would want to play this clunky ass

901
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:07.840
shit? Right? Uh? Yeah, totally Like yeah, it's it's like

902
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.760
it's it's weird and funny to me
that like From Software has become like this

903
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:15.360
revered developer after all these years of
like cranking out shit. Yeah, like

904
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:19.039
I just look at it, like, man, what like totally in the

905
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:22.639
PlayStation one era, that name was
just like you're synonymous with things I wanted

906
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:23.880
nothing to do with, Yeah,
and whatever, Like, there are certain

907
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:28.440
games that they've done along the years
that I think people have gravitated different some

908
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:30.280
of the mex stuff. Yeah,
and like Otogi is really revered, right,

909
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:35.280
some stuff like this. Not to
say that they haven't had games that

910
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:39.960
caught on before, but man,
they caught on with real specific crowds and

911
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:45.960
in a lot of ways became like
we're not that immediately distinguishable from the from

912
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:52.199
stuff that was awful, like their
system. Yeah, I can see.

913
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:54.719
That's fascinating, you know. Yeah, like this one seems like kind of

914
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:59.519
the jumping off point where finally is
sort of mainstream. Like I'm really curious

915
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:01.360
to see what the sales figures are
like for this thing. There there are

916
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:05.360
enough PS fours out there that you
know, it could sell quite well if

917
00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:09.239
the audience is there. But yeah, like yes, to answer your questions,

918
00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:12.519
in a very roundabout way, like, yeah, there are stats that

919
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.280
they don't explain at all their items. You get that, like, you

920
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.639
know, all the item descriptions,
just like souls are like written in the

921
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:22.159
like the style of the characters speech, right, and it's a bunch of

922
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.480
lore based stuff that doesn't really tell
you. It's real vague. It's not

923
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.719
like, hey man, this is
plus ten to your ship. No,

924
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.320
no, no, it's it's well, you know, the stats stuff is

925
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:32.000
fairly well presented, but more like
you just get a bunch of items and

926
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:35.159
you have no idea where to take
them or what you do with them or

927
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.719
stat bonuses. They're like, you
know, listening like in a letter format

928
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.119
is like what the fuck does it
be mean? And this hand thing,

929
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:44.280
I have no idea. And so
even when you understand the stats scaling from

930
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:46.360
souls, like I'm using a weapon
now that has a B on arcane,

931
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:52.239
and yet I put three points into
arcane yesterday and the weapon damage didn't change

932
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:53.119
at all. It didn't change.
So it's like, I know how the

933
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:57.400
system works wired, what's going on
here? I'm not. Yeah, there's

934
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.920
a few things I'm just not getting
about the game, like the lack of

935
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.239
variety, I think, but in
particular especially the weapon variety. You know,

936
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.360
like that stuff seems really kind of
light and stripped down, and I

937
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:12.119
think maybe that might be a good
reason for people to get onto this one.

938
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:15.840
It's not as overwhelming. Yeah,
there are fewer options in the combat

939
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:19.280
here, so you kind of just
fall into what they want you to do

940
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:22.679
more naturally. Sure, I heard
somebody say that maybe it was Dark Souls

941
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:27.320
one or two, but one of
those games had thirty nine weapons. But

942
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.639
yeah, that sounds totally believable.
Absolutely seems like a lot. It depends

943
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:34.000
on what they are. If it's
like eight of them are swords, then

944
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:36.719
yeah, a lot of those would
be weight and stuff, then maybe they're

945
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:38.440
not that different. But especially what
I'm saying, Yeah, the thing about

946
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:40.719
Dark Souls is a lot of the
weapons, and even a lot of the

947
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:44.559
best weapons, you would never see
unless you knew exactly what to do to

948
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.440
get them. Like sure, like
the last time I played Dark Souls,

949
00:57:47.519 --> 00:57:51.840
the sword I ended up using was
you basically have to kill the first NPC

950
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.480
vendor you ever meet in the game, And if you didn't know to kill

951
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:58.159
that guy to get that sword,
you probably would never do it, you

952
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:00.320
know, Yeah, because he sells
you stuff. You know, it's if

953
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:01.400
I killed this guy, he won't
be here to sell me things anymore.

954
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.360
But if you know he has that
sword, you can go for it like

955
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:07.800
a lot of the Maybe he's two
hundred. Maybe Bloodborne has thirty nine including

956
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:12.480
transformations. Thirty nine sounds high for
what I've seen of blood Born, Oh

957
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:15.239
including transformations. Oh then they yes, that could be right. So if

958
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:17.480
it's like I thought, it was
like more little more than a dozen or

959
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:21.519
something, Yeah, that sounds about
right. I think they have an achievement

960
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:23.079
for getting all the weapons in the
game, and they list them. But

961
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:27.239
I'm pretty deep in and I've got
like eight or nine weapons now that sounds

962
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:29.880
yeah, pretty good, close to
ten. I just recently got this mace

963
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:34.280
which has lightning power. Yeah.
Do you know the dudes that actually puts

964
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.519
you in a sack and bring you
down to that assholes? Dude, spend

965
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:39.199
some time down there. There's some
really cool so I haven't been back there

966
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:42.760
since they stole me and put me
there. Go for it, and I

967
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:45.480
got out of there as fast as
I could. And there's there's a badass

968
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:47.719
mason there, so you don't switch
up with the l one. It actually

969
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:52.639
coats your weapon and lightning so that
the arcane actually really factors in it.

970
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:54.760
And now I'm kind of kicking myself
in the ass because it's like I've been

971
00:58:54.760 --> 00:59:00.440
putting everything into you know, skill
the hand one and there's no specking.

972
00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:01.400
So it's like, shit, I
really want to use the space, but

973
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:05.159
it's it's a little too late.
Yeah, you're kind of back to like

974
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:07.400
the you know, my first play
through of Dark Souls one where you couldn't

975
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.519
respect my character build was a complete
fucking joke at the end, Yes,

976
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:14.119
because because you're gonna end up rerolling
at some point. But it sucks that

977
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.360
it's I'm like, you know,
ten fifteen, maybe twenty hours into this

978
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:20.840
already and it's like, oh shit, I fucked up. Yeah what do

979
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:23.159
I do? Know? I know
what you mean, but I have you

980
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:27.559
seen have you seen Ludwig's Holy Blade? Yeah? Just check that thing out.

981
00:59:27.639 --> 00:59:30.559
Yeah, that's the thing that as
the two handed sword. Like to

982
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:32.679
kind of go back to Jees's questions
about the like the faster play style and

983
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:36.159
stuff like that thing, it's basically, you know, they've got the transforming

984
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.760
weapon thing. This thing is like
a regular size sword and the sheath or

985
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:43.000
the scabbard or whatever on your back
is just a bigger fucking blade for it.

986
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:45.760
Oh okay, so when you want
to transform it, you just jammed

987
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:47.159
the sword into that and then pull
it back around and now it's a great

988
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:50.960
sword. Like it's just an huge
sword. But it's like a two hand

989
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:52.440
kerk camera. Let me tell you. I know, I know, but

990
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:55.000
but it is great. But the
thing about it is that I never used

991
00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:59.199
great swords and dark souls like.
I was always a one hand and shield

992
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:00.880
type guy. The first thing I
went for and d Solos two is that

993
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.800
that great story, right, So
so like this game, since their shield

994
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.400
is not an option and I don't
use the firearms that much. Like getting

995
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:10.199
into this thing and learning how to
use a great sword properly, it's actually

996
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:13.920
super gratifying, you know. Just
it's like, here's a totally different type

997
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:16.199
of weapon that I've never used and
it's got it's also got insane thrust damage

998
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:21.639
on it. So it's made me. It's made me think about ways to

999
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:23.039
use the different movesets in different ways. You know. It's like, oh,

1000
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:24.800
I want to be slashing all the
time. I want to get a

1001
01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:28.239
thrust or two in there, because
that's extra damage. Yeah, that's why

1002
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.519
the like being able to switch you
know, the styles like on the fly,

1003
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:34.159
like in a combo, like a
hitting R one then L one and

1004
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:37.320
then like back to R one or
something like that. Like in the case

1005
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:39.679
of a Kurr Pink Kirkcammer, you
do like an overhead swing with your sword

1006
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:43.880
which is quick, and then you
do on one well, so do an

1007
01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:46.960
overhead uh smash with your hammer,
which is actually pretty quick, and then

1008
01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:51.000
it'll do it a huge thrust as
well. So it's actually like a super

1009
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:55.480
quick, effective, high damaging combo
that you know works in a two handed

1010
01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:00.719
with Yeah, Kirk camera is fucking
great. It looks pretty rights. It's

1011
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:02.599
the best I'll give you that.
It is. It is a fucking gravestone

1012
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:07.320
on your back that you can turn
into a big hammer. You just put

1013
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:09.320
your sword in and it. Yeah, it's it's If you want to argue

1014
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:14.559
for Kirkhammer as best new weapon of
the year, I will back you on

1015
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:16.760
that. It's in there. I
can I can kind of identify with you

1016
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:20.480
in terms of feeling a little bit
of fatigue on this stuff. Like it

1017
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:22.360
you know, it's a great game, Like I'm really enjoying playing through it.

1018
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:27.199
I'm super deep in at this point, but uh, there's a little

1019
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:29.960
element of kind of been there,
done that with it. Maybe they're just

1020
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:31.840
maybe it's just been so many of
these games in a fairly short period of

1021
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:35.159
time. It could be. It's
a part of it is you know,

1022
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:37.280
you mentioned, you know, killing
that that vendor and getting that cool less

1023
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:42.440
weapon like right away in the game, and I'm not seeing anything like that

1024
01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:46.280
in this. Like it's like there's
less personality I think, and there's less

1025
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:50.599
mystery less stuff to discover. Maybe
yeah, a little bit of that,

1026
01:01:51.199 --> 01:01:54.440
or it's all super well hidden.
That very well could be. I don't

1027
01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:58.079
know, Like I've seen a little
bit. I was really curious to see

1028
01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:00.079
what those super hardcore Souls fan bases
response to this was going to be.

1029
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:02.840
And I feel like I've seen a
fair amount of people saying like, yeah,

1030
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:05.599
I powered through it as soon as
it came out, and I don't

1031
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.280
really want to play through it again
immediately, Yeah, because because there are

1032
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:13.000
so many fewer possibilities for how you
play it and stuff like that, Like

1033
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.360
it seems like it is streamlines.
So maybe you could say it's more accessible

1034
01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:19.440
in that sense, like there's less
there's a little bit less stuf to like

1035
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:22.280
mess up on, or a little
bit less room for variations. You're just

1036
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:23.920
kind of going to do the thing
they want you to do in terms of

1037
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:27.800
the way you play it. But
then that does limit like subsequent replays,

1038
01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:30.519
you know, yeah, quite a
bit. Ultimately, I'm still to get

1039
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:32.719
it. Yeah, Yeah, I'm
gonna play it all the way through totally.

1040
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:37.000
Yeah, We'll see how how much
staying power it has. You messed

1041
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:39.159
with Chalice dungeons at all, not
as of yet. Like I generated the

1042
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:43.599
one that we did in that quickly, yeah, which my understanding is that

1043
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:45.840
thing is always identical for everybody,
the first first one, that first one.

1044
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:49.960
So and I've got enough to make
a second Chalice now, I think,

1045
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.079
okay, But yeah, I haven't
messed with those two terribly much.

1046
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:54.639
I pulled up a YouTube video over
the weekend looking at that stuff, and

1047
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:59.719
there seems to be an insane amount
of depth in generating those random Chalice dungeons,

1048
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:01.800
and I hope that that kind of
fills that void of a variety.

1049
01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:05.840
Yeah, Like I found like a
Reddit post that breaks down just this.

1050
01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:08.559
It was actually just a bunch of
random seeds for the genera or the random

1051
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:12.280
dungeons. You know, it's like
put in this seed to get this weapon

1052
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:14.840
and then this will be the boss
at the end. So it seems like

1053
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.280
there's a big like list of bosses
that could show up in your dungeon,

1054
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:21.519
and they kind of mix and match
them in different ways and like they're so

1055
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:23.920
they're basically lost an uncanny variance of
all the weapons in the game, or

1056
01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:28.719
a bunch of the weapons, and
you can find those weapons in different Chalice

1057
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:30.800
dungeons. Okay, so that was
the point of this post. It was

1058
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:32.559
like, use this seed and that's
how you get this weapon and get that

1059
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:36.760
weapon. So there seems to be
a decent amount of replay value there,

1060
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:38.559
I hope. So I really do
I beat the I beat the entirety of

1061
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:40.840
that Chalice dungeon that we messed with
on the quick look, it's like the

1062
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:44.639
all three levels and like every level
as a boss, and the last boss

1063
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:47.199
is pretty tough. So would you
get what'd you get? Nothing super notable

1064
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:51.719
out of that? Actually what I
got was another Chalice oh to generate another

1065
01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:54.000
dungeon with. So yeah, there
is that stuff that it is maybe a

1066
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:59.400
little bit grindy. But I finally
got out of the city in that game

1067
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:00.960
and the environment to start changing up
a little bit, a little bit,

1068
01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:05.239
like they do some time of day
stuff in that game that I wasn't expecting,

1069
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:11.440
which I found that location based.
I guess then like not necessarily there's

1070
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:13.760
global stuff in there, like they've
never done that in those games before,

1071
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:15.559
And like the time was always static, you know, the world, the

1072
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:18.119
world was really diverse and interesting,
but everything was just kind of what it

1073
01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:21.400
was when you saw it. And
like there's actual and there's some element of

1074
01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:25.880
time progressing in this game, which
kind of helps make the world feel a

1075
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:28.719
little bit more alive. Do these
games have any sense? Like it was

1076
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:31.199
just Demon Souls that had the whole
like world status, like it's pure white

1077
01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:36.519
stuff has gone. So I mean, you know, if you want always

1078
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:42.800
seem like an interesting concept. Yeah, but that was like like where all

1079
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:45.679
these games are baffling. That thing
in particular was a complete other layer of

1080
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.960
fucking insane on top of that.
Like even even when me and Vinnie,

1081
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:53.880
when Vinnie watched me play through that
game last year, and people had had

1082
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.159
like five years to bang on that
game and understand it. Like I still

1083
01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:00.760
felt like most people could barely explain
how the world tendencies suff worked. And

1084
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.000
also in a lot of cases,
world tendency was based on what the entire

1085
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:06.159
player base was doing, right,
So once that dwindled, like that was

1086
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.840
you know, you saw, like
it was Atlas that published emails here,

1087
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:12.199
right, they would issue press releases
saying like, hey, we were going

1088
01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:15.559
to shut down the servers, but
hey, instead we decided to make the

1089
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:17.800
world tendency pure white. Yeah,
it's like, hey, it's pure white

1090
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:20.039
for the weekend, go nuts,
but but you know, the next pee

1091
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:24.639
weekend. Right, But even even
when the player base was healthier, there

1092
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:27.280
was only so much to you as
an individual could do to influence the world

1093
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:30.320
tendency because it was subject to everybody. So yeah, they've they've got rid

1094
01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:32.440
of stuff like that. So I
guess in that sense, blood Borne is

1095
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:36.800
a little bit less crazy for new
players. But the you know, the

1096
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:41.159
core loop of like die over and
over and over, yeah, and keep

1097
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:44.039
playing through the same part over and
over and over until you beat it slowly

1098
01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:45.719
getting better and better. Yeah,
like you feel yourself getting better. And

1099
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:50.039
for people who find that rewarding,
like that's still there. But if you

1100
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:54.280
hate repeating the same thing and frustrating
to you, yep, it's still preval

1101
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:57.000
If the idea of playing through the
same five to ten minutes stretch of level

1102
01:05:57.280 --> 01:06:00.480
against the same enemies like six or
eight times in a row, right,

1103
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:01.880
you know, as you bash your
head against the boss over and over,

1104
01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:06.519
if that sounds deplorable, like you're
not gonna be Yeah, it's a game

1105
01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:10.519
that requires patience, yes, patience
in the extreme, yes, patience and

1106
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:15.000
perseverance and repetition absolutely definitely. Yeah, but it's it's really good. It's

1107
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:17.840
really well made. But yeah,
I really am curious what they're going to

1108
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:20.840
do after this, because you know, a lot a lot of people like

1109
01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:24.800
saw this as like after Dark Souls
too, was kind of a relative disappointment.

1110
01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:27.280
A lot of people saw this as
like, yeah, like, oh,

1111
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:29.519
this is the Gamezak he's really been
working on. This is going to

1112
01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:31.920
be the second coming of Souls.
And that's exactly yea my conception going in.

1113
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:35.199
And it's really good, but it
you know, and it changes something

1114
01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:39.159
like it moves some knobs back and
forth, but it doesn't like completely rewrite

1115
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:42.079
the book or anything. So I
don't know what they'll do. I mean,

1116
01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.920
it's only been four of these games, like you know, expecting a

1117
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:46.679
full rewrite of the book when there's
only been this many, you know,

1118
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:49.559
like you talk about fatigue and stuff
like that, but I think that's probably

1119
01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:53.920
a testament to the staying power and
replayability of the previous games. Yeah,

1120
01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:56.239
yeah, because they stick with people, and you have people that are doing

1121
01:06:56.280 --> 01:06:59.800
all these different runs and just like
playing it entirely different ways and covering new

1122
01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:03.159
shit. Uh, and it makes
them feel like they have much longer legs

1123
01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:08.519
than the average game. You know, it's like compared to like not to

1124
01:07:08.679 --> 01:07:11.599
just fucking dog pile on it all
the time. But like look at Battlefield

1125
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:14.280
Hardline. You know, it's a
campaign you can play in a couple of

1126
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:16.719
days if you play it at all, and then the multiplayer is what it

1127
01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:19.639
is, and you there's no there's
not that much to talk about there.

1128
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:23.079
Yeah, you know, like no
one's gonna go like, hey man,

1129
01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:26.960
I just uncovered this amazing new thing, you know, like you know,

1130
01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:32.360
the typical game is fully presented,
every little bit rough you know, explained

1131
01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:35.000
for you know, for better or
worse. So yeah, I mean,

1132
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:39.960
you know, like the fatigue is
a weird thing to think about. Without

1133
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:43.320
these games, it's not like they're
releasing more than one a year in most

1134
01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:45.840
cases, I think then rereleasing Dark
Souls too, and this sort of stuff

1135
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:49.679
like that's where it starts to get
like, okay, you know, but

1136
01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:53.079
they probably need to do that,
And I mean, right, say,

1137
01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:55.760
what you want about me is hockey. He is obviously a guy that can

1138
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:59.360
think outside the box. Yeah,
so I'd love to see him like take

1139
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:01.480
yet another ninety degree terms. Oh
that's what I mean, Like if he'll

1140
01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:04.800
make another like quote unquote Souls game
after this, or if he will branch

1141
01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:08.880
off and do something that's super different
though, yeah, like like when when

1142
01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:14.000
do they, like when do they
pivot from this into something even crazier?

1143
01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:16.079
Like is there a way for them
to do this again? Right and and

1144
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:20.800
have people kind of fall in love
with an entirely new thing that is still

1145
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.199
attracting the same types of players.
I guess, I don't know, like

1146
01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:27.680
that's that's maybe that's a weird thing
to put on anyone, but well,

1147
01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:30.640
actually, to be fair, I
mean it's probably a foregoing conclusion that there

1148
01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:33.239
will be like a Dar Souls three, because I think these games are just

1149
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:35.800
keep getting bigger and bigger. But
the question is like, will he keep

1150
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:40.960
running that ship or you know,
will he just kind of let this team

1151
01:08:41.079 --> 01:08:44.439
go with that idea? Yeah,
and move on to something else? Right?

1152
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:48.800
I don't know, but yeah,
that game's games really good for sure?

1153
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:53.039
I agree. Uh. Are you
playing anything else? Uh? Played

1154
01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:59.159
a little bit of Tokei Din?
Yeah, okay, do you like Monster

1155
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:00.880
Hunter? Tell me that was pretty
good. That was a pretty good fac

1156
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:05.000
simile like a Japanese male voice actor. So this is straight up Monster Hunter

1157
01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:11.279
cross. Uh, Dynasty Warriors.
So that's the same on megapor stuff.

1158
01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:15.479
Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, feeling we were gonna lose pregnant pause

1159
01:09:15.520 --> 01:09:17.800
after Cross. I was like,
what's the other thing he's gonna say?

1160
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:20.399
That might be great? And then
you said Dynasty Warriors, and then I

1161
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:24.319
almost threw up. So you played
a little bit of this one of his

1162
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:28.039
first release, uh, a couple
of years ago, something like oh god,

1163
01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:32.920
straight up steals the Monster Hunter formula. Uh. So it's considerably more

1164
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:35.960
fast paced. Let's just say it
like when you describe it like that,

1165
01:09:36.680 --> 01:09:40.680
Yeah, it doesn't take all of
the nuance and like skill out of the

1166
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:45.960
combat and you just like go on
these quests. Fucking this quest is mashed

1167
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:50.000
the square button pretty much, but
it addresses some things that people have issues

1168
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:53.399
with and master under. You know, there's a lock on camera. Now

1169
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:58.000
you can target specific body parts and
you have to knock them off and like

1170
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:01.800
purify them before you're able to actually
do damage to the monster. So this

1171
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:06.199
new version ad like pretty much doubled
the amount of bosses and uh and enemies

1172
01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:10.840
over the previous over the previous Yeah, token is this a completely new game

1173
01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:14.039
or to like release with more stuff
in it? So the Monster Hunter,

1174
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:17.600
like sque games really like to just
put out a core based game and then

1175
01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:21.119
like a year or two later,
add an expansion of sorts where they just

1176
01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:25.720
add additional content. Not a true
sequel by anything by any means. But

1177
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:30.000
yeah, this is in the in
the in the same vein so so it's

1178
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:34.800
a continuation of the original story with
a lot of the same characters, uh,

1179
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:39.039
a lot of the same weapons.
They added like three new weapons,

1180
01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:42.560
I think. But I'm not ready
to sign off quite yet. I want

1181
01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:46.479
to play a little bit more before
we do the quick look. But yeah,

1182
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:49.640
we'll see how how that goes.
If do do you think that like

1183
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:54.239
it fills a certain void purely just
by virtue of being on a console,

1184
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:57.119
Like you know, Monster Hunter is
purely handheld at this point. Yeah,

1185
01:10:57.159 --> 01:10:59.760
truly, And this is coming out
on p S four N and Vita,

1186
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:03.319
Cross Crossed, Save and Play.
Like just like looking at what they do

1187
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.119
with like the you know, the
art design and like the scale of the

1188
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:10.479
encounter is even from the little eyeflight
of of Monster Hunter on a handheld,

1189
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:13.680
like thinking about what they could do
with that on a PC or a modern

1190
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:16.960
console. It's like, monsters are
fucking huge and you could just do some

1191
01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:20.920
really like bombastic stuff. Yeah,
you know, you've got like a megaforce

1192
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.720
involved. So yeah, like everything
is a spectacle, you know, just

1193
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:28.159
normal attacks, you know, all
the all the enemies. So that's like

1194
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:33.079
visually appealing. That's kind of fun. But yeah, it's it's still still

1195
01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:36.279
Monster Hunter, which which I love, Yeah, which I love, but

1196
01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:40.960
it doesn't have the things that I
love. So I'm trying to come at

1197
01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:43.199
this at a different approach. See
w what it goes. So it's not

1198
01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:45.159
necessarily like that. They even like
streamlined it in a way that will make

1199
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:48.279
it more appealing to people that don't
necessarily like Monster Hunter. They took the

1200
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:51.199
basic loop of Monster Hunter, like
you start off in a village and get

1201
01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:55.000
the same kind of quest, same
everything there, and then they kind of

1202
01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:57.800
sped up and changed up the combat
a little bit. Are the areas all

1203
01:11:57.880 --> 01:12:02.359
numbered? Yeah? All right?
Oh say boy understood, they're all segmented

1204
01:12:02.439 --> 01:12:08.920
like that? And yeah, all
right, drew Yo Video Games? Yeah

1205
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:14.920
got any Yeah she got Halo.
Okay. I played some more Halo,

1206
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:17.479
which one the Master Chief collection.
I played it online and it kind of

1207
01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:20.960
worked. It kind of worked.
Did a humongous patch. Do you know

1208
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:24.680
if that's the patch that they were
supposedly beta testing with people? I think

1209
01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:28.720
that is, yes, that patch. Yeah it worked. Yeah, I

1210
01:12:28.840 --> 01:12:31.079
was, you know, just matchmaking, waited for a minute and then got

1211
01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:34.720
back in. Do you have a
posse? I've not actually tried it with

1212
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:39.600
my my crew. I was just
rolling solo for a while, and to

1213
01:12:39.680 --> 01:12:43.439
be fair, the solo stuff,
which is what was working the best for

1214
01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:47.640
me back when it was still kind
of worked. But I think the biggest

1215
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:53.359
change that thing does is you no
longer get into a match and then roll

1216
01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:56.640
into the next match with the same
people. Really, they just dump you

1217
01:12:56.800 --> 01:12:59.640
right back to the beginning of the
menu. Thought, wasn't that one of

1218
01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:01.159
the big excelling points was like,
oh, you can get your party together.

1219
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:06.039
Probably what's been screwing them up,
But I mean that's Halo games have

1220
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:08.600
been like that in the past.
So all you have to do is just

1221
01:13:08.720 --> 01:13:13.960
hit you know, search again when
you when you're done, and uh,

1222
01:13:14.680 --> 01:13:15.840
yeah, people are playing it.
I don't think. I don't know if

1223
01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:18.960
a lot of people are playing it, but I matched fairly quickly, and

1224
01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:24.279
uh yeah, that's they've got it
packed in with Xbox ones at this point?

1225
01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:27.239
Is that yeah I saw some cases
that is that just across the board

1226
01:13:27.319 --> 01:13:30.039
now or I'm not sure. I
was looking at it. I don't don't

1227
01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:32.720
ask me why or nothing. Oh
you know, I to like go make

1228
01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:35.800
the virtual purchase of that fast and
furious thing. So I found myself on

1229
01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:40.600
Xbox dot com and that was one
of the things they were trying to push

1230
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:43.479
on people, was like, hey, it comes with four Halo games,

1231
01:13:43.520 --> 01:13:45.840
and I'm like, yo, great, they might as well salvage something from

1232
01:13:45.840 --> 01:13:48.039
the investment they made and like say, hey, we got to pack in

1233
01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:53.920
now. Sure sure. I have
not tried co op yet. Over over

1234
01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:57.039
the internet, just campaign co op, I mean, get you correct?

1235
01:13:57.159 --> 01:14:01.119
Yeah, and uh, I you
know, I've gotten sporadic reports from people

1236
01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:03.199
saying like, oh, I'm still
busted, but you know who knows.

1237
01:14:04.239 --> 01:14:08.960
Uh. In my experience, it
has been a little better. Also have

1238
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:12.720
been like, uh, let's see
last week I dipped, I've been dipping

1239
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:15.399
into Sonic stuff. Yes, I
played. It's a fucking dark path.

1240
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:20.800
Yeah, weird. Yeah, I
don't know. I liked Freedom Planet.

1241
01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:27.720
It's an interesting games actually a decent
game. Yeah, it's not totally Sonic.

1242
01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:30.239
It is very much Sonic conspired,
sure, but it's got some different

1243
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:33.359
things going for it. I don't
know. Check out the quick click uh

1244
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:38.720
and uh. I been playing a
little puzzle and dragons on my telephone.

1245
01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:43.359
Yeah, alright, let's dish many
stuff going. Are you? Are you

1246
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:46.159
an avid player? Not anymore,
like I hit a brick wall with that

1247
01:14:46.279 --> 01:14:51.039
as far as like the pay stuff. But yeah, So I had played

1248
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:56.720
it months ago, maybe even like
a year ago, because I heard about

1249
01:14:56.720 --> 01:14:59.279
like, oh, it's the biggest
game in Japan everyone plays on the phones

1250
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:01.560
now, And I looked at it
and just did not get it at all.

1251
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:06.119
But then a few months ago I
started playing Monster Strike and kind of

1252
01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:09.720
got into that a little bit.
I still don't really understand what's going on

1253
01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:15.359
there, but then I decided with
the Nintendo News to get back into or

1254
01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:19.880
to give Puzzling Dragon another shot.
And it's compared to Monster Strike, it's

1255
01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:25.560
a lot simpler. Sure is it
just match three? It is? Well,

1256
01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:30.399
so it's that is the that is
the the core of it. Yes,

1257
01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:32.119
it's not like The Jeweled Like you
don't have to switch. You can

1258
01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:38.199
like take the piece and move it
anywhere you want. And it's turn based,

1259
01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:42.760
so that uses up a turn and
you can see above your enemies how

1260
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:46.239
many turns you have left to move
until they go. So like you could

1261
01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:50.560
potentially set up, like, you
know, a five banger and then hit

1262
01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:55.159
it before the monster's turn. So
it's a lot like setting up como combos

1263
01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:58.680
and stuff. I imagine that in
high level play, and this is one

1264
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:01.359
of those games that you could play
just casually and then there are people that

1265
01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:06.239
go absolutely nuts and learn about a
high level play. You could probably get

1266
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:10.159
real good at setting up combos and
stuff. I did start looking at guides

1267
01:16:10.199 --> 01:16:12.920
for this, just like Evolution guides. Do you check up my team?

1268
01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:15.720
Look who's on my team read it
off. Wow, Wow, who's that?

1269
01:16:15.239 --> 01:16:21.079
Uh? Uh? Bat fucking Batman? What they had a crossover on

1270
01:16:21.199 --> 01:16:25.159
your Okay, I got Batman in
my fuzzle and Dragons? Is this in

1271
01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:27.720
like core P and D. It's
not like, yeah, like P and

1272
01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:30.560
D and like a DC Comics edition
or anything like that. No, they

1273
01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:33.680
just yeah, they just throw it
through a bunch of Batman characters. Like

1274
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:42.279
Monster Strike, you have characters on
your team and you level them up and

1275
01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:45.920
fuse them with other monsters that you
gain by going through dungeons. Uh,

1276
01:16:46.399 --> 01:16:50.520
that stuff is still a little fuzzy
to me. I don't really know how

1277
01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:55.920
that works. Like do you want
to combine two people together? Uh?

1278
01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:58.640
Do you want to just like do
you want to sell one? Do you

1279
01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:02.439
want to absorb the guy you just
got for XP? Like? I still

1280
01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:04.920
don't really get that, but we
can we can talk about that, Okay.

1281
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:09.880
Typically you want to combine, yeah, to eventually get them stronger and

1282
01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:13.479
stronger. But what if I get
one that's a higher level than my main

1283
01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:16.000
dude? Do I combine my main
dude and the higher level guy? Eat

1284
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:20.079
the fucking thing? Which one?
Look at a guy? Show me,

1285
01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:24.439
show me the guys and we'll talk
about it. Okay, sang on is

1286
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:27.399
what is the Nintendo theme to win
the thing announced? What's the actual name

1287
01:17:27.439 --> 01:17:30.560
of that? It's like Puzzling Dragons
Mario Edition? Is that what it is?

1288
01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:32.520
Is that only on three DSA I
think that's the case. Yeah,

1289
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:35.119
so I mean for now, Yeah, I mean, who knows what will

1290
01:17:35.159 --> 01:17:39.640
happen? But uh well no,
because the gung Ho owns Puzzling Dragons right

1291
01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:43.359
like DNA is not gonna be able
to put out a game. Hey,

1292
01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:46.760
you know who knows weird business business. Anyway, the reason I ask is,

1293
01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:49.199
are you saying that that is just
going to be a three DS game

1294
01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:53.880
of what you're describing, but with
Mario characters seems as such? Yeah,

1295
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:57.359
because maybe I should. But also
maybe that's why I wanted to look at

1296
01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:00.000
it. Maybe I want to play
that. But also Puzzling there's I think

1297
01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:04.960
Core Puzzling Dragons is also coming.
Yeah. Yeah, Puzzling Dragons Z came

1298
01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:08.600
out on three DS in Japan.
Are those not the same box? I

1299
01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:11.279
wanted? I thought those were contained
in the same package. Maybe maybe they

1300
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:15.359
are. Maybe maybe they're rereleasing that
game in the States and adding Mario or

1301
01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:18.199
rereleasing that game and adding Mario to
it. I think that might be the

1302
01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:21.279
case. There's there's a whole lot
of number. I don't know, Okay,

1303
01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:24.119
I don't. I actually don't have
the answer. I don't think that's

1304
01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:26.880
the case anymore. Like I'm looking
at these web pages, like, I'm

1305
01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:32.439
not sure if you're saying it's matched
three ish plus dungeon crawling plus Mario characters,

1306
01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:35.359
it's I mean, it's not really
dungeon crawling. Yeah, you go

1307
01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:39.680
through it like a wave of enemies. Okay, Essentially, I don't know

1308
01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:43.039
if you're leveling up monsters and throwing
them into stuff at some point, that

1309
01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:45.760
just sounds like there's gonna be a
whole lot of Yoshis in this fucking game.

1310
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:47.880
And I'm not sure if all in
there are already eggs. Yeah,

1311
01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:53.840
yeah, yeah. It isn't Pokemon? Was it Pokemon Shuffle? Isn't that

1312
01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:57.039
just puzzling dragons? Also, I
don't know. Yeah, I downloaded that.

1313
01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:00.680
That's like free now have a tough
free for some reason, It's just

1314
01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:02.960
a match game, isn't it.
I don't think. I don't. I

1315
01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:06.239
don't know. Match games are fun
than dragons? Is good bread? Yeah?

1316
01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:10.119
All right, maybe just check it
out. Maybe you want to match

1317
01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:16.479
a water type gem to fight a
fire type monster. The hot tip right

1318
01:19:16.560 --> 01:19:23.359
there. Wow, I want to
be the very best matching. I want

1319
01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:26.239
to be the very best of matching, I believe in. All Right,

1320
01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:30.520
Okay, I can put the two
things together that that'll look the same and

1321
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:33.479
they'll like chatter. Give me some
points. I can do that, Jeff,

1322
01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:36.920
I wanted to know how that Fort's
a fast and furious thing is alright.

1323
01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:41.600
I downloaded it but didn't actually play
it. There are screenshots in it

1324
01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:45.079
that make it look hilarious, yeah, in that it has some fast and

1325
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:50.600
furious characters. Story in it really
lines of dialogue from the cast at that

1326
01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:55.520
movie, like on screen text or
something. So okay. My fear was

1327
01:19:55.680 --> 01:19:58.600
that they think I could have been
looking at the wrong screens. But yeahn't.

1328
01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:00.279
Yeah, because it's only you know, it's a free thing. I

1329
01:20:00.319 --> 01:20:02.039
mean, it will be ten bucks
eventually. But my fear was, you

1330
01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:04.279
know, that's a free thing.
So all they did was model the cars

1331
01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:08.439
from a movie and that's it.
But it sounds like that they have created

1332
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:12.359
above it. It sounds like this
weird shit in there. So yeah,

1333
01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:15.119
all I know for sure is that
I read that the achievement points flow fast

1334
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:18.239
and furious out of that thing.
Sure, yeah, why not. I

1335
01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:23.319
live my life two hundred and fifty
points at a time. I don't really

1336
01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:25.720
care about fast furious, but I
kind of wouldn't check that thing out.

1337
01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:28.840
Yeah, I mean whatever, like
force rising, like it's a solid engine,

1338
01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:30.840
the driving is good, like you
know, you just that in a

1339
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:34.159
smaller form sounds okay. It's like
a good way to check out for's the

1340
01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:38.399
horizon too, sure, and kind
of see how it looks and out runs

1341
01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:41.840
and if you like playing it,
yeah, yeah, yeah, I think

1342
01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:44.199
that could. Yeah, it seems
like a good demo for that stuff.

1343
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:46.479
If nothing else weird the movie tie
and stuff. Depending on how you feel

1344
01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:49.359
about product placement and all that,
you know, maybe I don't know,

1345
01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:55.079
I have I have or me a
near undying love for the Fast and Furious

1346
01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:59.880
overrides my ikey feelings of product integration. So well, when it's free,

1347
01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:02.479
who cares? And yeah yeah if
they're getting it away or if it's you

1348
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:05.279
know, it's like the Burger King
games were what five dollars a piece something

1349
01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:09.760
like that, like that's acceptable.
I don't know, I've got I've got

1350
01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:15.239
a certain fondness for the really naked, just like blatant Dan Mac Global Gladiators

1351
01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:16.720
man, like advert games, Let's
do this, Like is that is that

1352
01:21:16.800 --> 01:21:19.399
a valid term? Advert game?
Yeah? But yeah, but the Cool

1353
01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:23.920
Spot was a dope game. I
mean that was that was an actual video

1354
01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:30.199
game. What else was sour Patch
kids? The game world? I heard?

1355
01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:33.840
I heard that was all right,
I know method man like sour Patch

1356
01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:40.720
and you know he had some raps
to bust the world gone south? About

1357
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:45.239
said kids? Uh yeah, I
don't. I'm trying to think, like,

1358
01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:47.760
what else has existed in that in
that vein? Is that a genre?

1359
01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:53.760
Crash crash course hell discovered? Okay, fucking weird connect thing. That

1360
01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:58.920
thing is a nightmare, that's that
Thing's a fucking hell escape checks quests checks

1361
01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:02.159
quest Ye, huge one. I
would be in a favor of more stuff

1362
01:22:02.159 --> 01:22:04.800
like that. I mean, there's
there's straight of McDonald land. There was

1363
01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:10.479
another one of those. There's Yo
Anoid. You've got a product a shill

1364
01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:12.800
and make a game out of a
little spot. Yeah but yeah, cool

1365
01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:16.479
Spot, makeup make a makeup game
that's bad but good. Yeah, don't

1366
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:19.640
don't just make a bad game.
Yeah, make a game that's like fun

1367
01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:23.159
bad. Yeah, at least it's
hilarious. Yes, badness, yes,

1368
01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:27.039
developers Brad's lane, but just foot
down. Yeah, I've I've thrown down

1369
01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:31.800
the gallant issue, the challenge.
I'm issuing a challenge to good makers of

1370
01:22:31.880 --> 01:22:35.159
products that need to be advertised.
They're the ones that needed fun games.

1371
01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:39.319
Yo Annoid too. Yeah, why
can't we get here? Why can't we

1372
01:22:39.399 --> 01:22:43.279
get to that point? It needs
to re release of Yo Nooid one because

1373
01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:45.119
we keep avoiding it. Yeah?
Yeah, well there's that. I read

1374
01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:47.760
some stuff about them. There were
stuff about the Nooid that it went weird,

1375
01:22:48.439 --> 01:22:51.239
went bad. Yeah, I went
real weird and they abandoned it as

1376
01:22:51.279 --> 01:22:54.520
a result. Yes, right,
I don't think the Noid will ever come

1377
01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:58.199
back. You can go go read
on Wikipedia about what happened with the Nooid.

1378
01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:00.199
But that's not I wasn't there.
Oh it's not their fault. But

1379
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:03.239
they can't go back to it after
what happened, Okay, what I don't

1380
01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:09.199
remember. It was some there was
some crime. Yeah, someone someone became

1381
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:14.920
unhealthily obsessed with Annoid or like afraid
of thenoid or something like a real PRIs.

1382
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:16.680
Yes, yes, and I believe
some real world crime, and I

1383
01:23:16.800 --> 01:23:20.279
believe there were there were, there
were some people were hurt, if I'm

1384
01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:24.840
not mistaken. They dress up like
the no nothing like that. Nothing.

1385
01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:28.039
They play rock paper scissors with pizzas
at the end of the level like Yo

1386
01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:31.880
Nooid did. I don't, No, it's a shame. This is homework

1387
01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:34.399
for us if you want, well, I don't. I don't want to

1388
01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:38.279
speak out of term because I don't
remember the specific chain of events. Yeah.

1389
01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:41.119
I just remember there was something fucked
up about that was related to the

1390
01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:44.359
noise, and it made gave them
cold feet when it came to Thennoid promotion.

1391
01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:46.439
Yes, I really, okay,
I have to go look it up

1392
01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:50.119
now. That Yo Anoid game was
just a game with Ninja's in it or

1393
01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:53.760
something when it came out in Japan, like they just wait really through.

1394
01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:57.039
Yeah, Capcom released that game in
Japan and then they fucking put the nooid

1395
01:23:57.159 --> 01:24:01.159
in it. Incredible and fucking put
pizzas in it. Just they just dokey

1396
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:06.239
dokey panicked. Really yeah. Wow. To be fair, the noise seems

1397
01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:12.560
like something Japanese people would be into. I think, yeah, people people

1398
01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:18.159
of all ages nationalities want to avoid
the noid equally probably pizzas universal. Well

1399
01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:23.560
that's food for thought. Now it's
time for the news. Time for the

1400
01:24:23.640 --> 01:24:28.239
news. Hang on, Maybe I
should Maybe I should learn this episode's lesson.

1401
01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:30.960
Time for the news, Time for
the news, Time for the news.

1402
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:36.640
It's okay, broadening my skill set
here. Who was looking forward to

1403
01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:42.159
playing the Legend of Zelda on WEU
this year? I fucking bad. Fuck

1404
01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:45.520
you don't blame me, man,
give it to me. I started getting

1405
01:24:45.560 --> 01:24:48.239
really aggro. I'm sorry, don't
get back to fucking work on it.

1406
01:24:48.359 --> 01:24:51.600
I'm sorry that I've escalated the situation. Jesus Christ, Brad, It's just

1407
01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:57.319
a water temple. Just finish it
and put it out. Uh. Nintendo

1408
01:24:57.560 --> 01:25:02.399
has come out and said, effectively
the upshot here is they're saying, don't

1409
01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:05.039
expect it this year. They didn't
flat out say it, but they're saying

1410
01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:11.520
I think anyone really was expecting it. I can't how long has been since

1411
01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:15.039
they were talking about it. It's
been it was last year. Three showed

1412
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:15.880
that a little little bit. Yeah, they showed that bit at the Game

1413
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:20.079
Awards right back, and then I
guess it was I don't know. I

1414
01:25:20.199 --> 01:25:25.439
figured, like, typically if if
they're showing actual footage of a game at

1415
01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:28.159
a certain point, it's safe to
expect that like a year later, it'll

1416
01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:30.920
be out. No, remember the
first time they showed like Twilight. Unless

1417
01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:33.239
you're saying the rules, If you're
saying the rules don't apply to Zelda,

1418
01:25:33.279 --> 01:25:35.840
then that's a different story. I
don't think they applied to Zelda. Yeah,

1419
01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:39.319
yeah, Like you know, the
typical marking cycle is like, oh,

1420
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:42.039
they're showing footage this holiday, it'll
be out next time. They've goten

1421
01:25:42.039 --> 01:25:45.199
to a point where they were talking
about the legend of Zelda just often enough

1422
01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:46.560
to where you were like, Okay, this is starting to ramp up a

1423
01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:50.840
little bit. It's coming together.
But the quote is that they ever explicitly

1424
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:54.439
said for sure that it was coming
the right right, So yeah, yeah,

1425
01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:56.720
I know that they they hadn't said
for sure. And then the quote

1426
01:25:57.119 --> 01:26:00.039
is that they are they are quote
no longer making a twenty team release their

1427
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:05.119
number one priority. Sure yeah,
yeah, I mean, you know tech

1428
01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:11.199
all the time, you need obviously
making good. But actually ag al Numa

1429
01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:15.119
got out there and uh and talked
about some of the specifics in kind of

1430
01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:17.159
an interesting way where he was saying
that, like, you know, because

1431
01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:20.039
you know, the whole thing is
though it's more open, it's less linear,

1432
01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:25.600
like they're trying to broaden Zelda a
little bit. But he says that

1433
01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:29.760
the team has discovered several new possibilities
for the game that they haven't thought of

1434
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:33.199
until they got into developing this somewhat
new titles, just like walk in one

1435
01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:36.479
day and go, guys, what
if we did a second quest? Because

1436
01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:44.119
that's exactly what happened. Okay,
you know, as as the primary developer

1437
01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:45.800
on the Celtic game, I can
confirm, Okay, great, it's exactly

1438
01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:50.239
what happened. I mean, like
you know that from any other company,

1439
01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:55.039
I would almost treat that as just
some like some marketing spiel, like not

1440
01:26:55.159 --> 01:26:59.920
so carefully disguised as like the kind
of developers intermost thoughts about their products.

1441
01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:01.880
Sure, but coming from him,
like I actually want to take it at

1442
01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:04.800
face value, it's like, oh, they maybe they really do have new

1443
01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:08.279
ideas that are just coming to light
as they're making this game, and they

1444
01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:12.399
haven't necessarily made a lot of games
in this style before, So that's what

1445
01:27:12.479 --> 01:27:15.039
I mean. Yeah, Like,
like working in this slightly different framework for

1446
01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:19.960
his Elda game is like giving him
a much creative inspiration or something that's certainly

1447
01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:24.079
the hope. Yeah, I mean, let's let's hope it's like something like

1448
01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:27.159
exciting and someone just didn't show up
and go, guys, we really do

1449
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:29.760
need fast travel in this game,
when like, well, it's gonna take

1450
01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:31.319
it most implement like wolf fuck,
yes, I got it. Yeah,

1451
01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:36.279
I don't know. Trying to find
the best excerpt of his message to read.

1452
01:27:39.159 --> 01:27:40.920
Oh, you know what, I'm
sorry. The other upshot of this

1453
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:42.840
is that it's not going to be
any three this year either. Yes,

1454
01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:44.840
that was the other thing. They
said they won't show it at E three,

1455
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:48.159
So that's that is pretty disappointing in
the treehouse, I guess not damn

1456
01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:50.239
it. That's a shame. But
if it's not coming out this year,

1457
01:27:50.319 --> 01:27:54.199
then not showing it at E three
isn't the most catastrophic thing. Ever.

1458
01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:57.159
It's not like it'll be your last
chance to see it before it's out.

1459
01:27:57.199 --> 01:27:59.800
But the thing I want to mention
is he does he points out in this

1460
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:01.399
message that he did say at the
Game Awards that it would be out in

1461
01:28:01.439 --> 01:28:04.840
twenty five. Okay, all right, so they had they had gone on

1462
01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:10.800
record with that before, So this
was a pretty significant change, but an

1463
01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:15.239
actual delay then Yeah, but he's
so. In this message, he says,

1464
01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:18.319
in these last three months, as
the team has experienced firsthand the freedom

1465
01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:24.319
of exploration that hasn't existed in any
Zelda game to date, we've discovered several

1466
01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:28.880
new possibilities for this game as we
have What if you could gather plants,

1467
01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:31.560
they said, like turn them in
the potions? Maybe? I just I

1468
01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:35.479
hope it. I hope it's like
something totally like actually world shattering and not

1469
01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:40.000
just something that's bit's been in every
other open world game. That's what I

1470
01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:43.079
like. Oh wait, what if
you could climb these watch towers and then

1471
01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:45.880
like kill the mobeling at the top
and take it over, and then you

1472
01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:50.199
could like fast travel between the watchtowers. All Right, As we've worked turned

1473
01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:54.760
these possibilities into reality, new ideas
have continued to spring forth, and it

1474
01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:58.159
now feels like we have the potential
to create something that exceeds even my own

1475
01:28:58.239 --> 01:29:01.000
expectations. Cool, that's kind of
the main upshot of the whole thing.

1476
01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:04.279
Should do that? Yeah, if
it really is going to lead to that

1477
01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:08.239
much more interesting a game than by
all means, take the time you need.

1478
01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:11.439
But you're right, you know,
nothing at E three this year.

1479
01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:16.319
So Zelda is submerging for the foreseeable
future. All right, media, blackout

1480
01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:21.199
sea bottom floor of the water Temple
until they're done. Yep, pretty much.

1481
01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:25.359
You know. Obviously this has led
to all kinds of speculation about like,

1482
01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:28.039
oh, they're going to pull a
Twilight Princess and just move it to

1483
01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:31.520
n X console. I'm not saying
I agree. I'm saying a lot of

1484
01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:35.520
people are saying that that's dumb,
you know, because like I will,

1485
01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:40.439
okay, that's a huge logic leap, yes, because if you think about

1486
01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:45.039
like what they've said about their next
platform. They've said, hey, we're

1487
01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:47.039
making one, we're thinking about it, right, we will have more news

1488
01:29:47.159 --> 01:29:51.399
next year, right. That doesn't
mean it's shipping next year. Like,

1489
01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:55.920
they have plenty of time to get
a Zelda game out before that thing comes

1490
01:29:55.960 --> 01:29:59.000
out. If they push it to
that thing, then that's not twenty sixteen,

1491
01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:01.520
that's twenty seventeen. Totally eighteen,
I don't know. Also, the

1492
01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:04.159
way of things these days is to
put it out on the WU as normal,

1493
01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:06.640
and then when the new platform comes
out totally you know, a couple

1494
01:30:06.640 --> 01:30:12.399
of years later, release a gussied
up for and awesome and sell it again.

1495
01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:16.800
Yeah. Uh vr. I'm trying
not to get my hopes up too

1496
01:30:16.880 --> 01:30:20.600
much for this game, but I'm
having a hard time because I would really

1497
01:30:20.680 --> 01:30:24.479
like to love the Zelda game again. It's been a while, it's been

1498
01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:27.319
a Yes, what was the last
one for you? I mean, uh,

1499
01:30:27.560 --> 01:30:30.000
you know the last three D S
one obviously was great. Yeah,

1500
01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:31.840
prior to that, like, I'm
not a big three D Zelda guy at

1501
01:30:31.880 --> 01:30:35.640
all, so I've been linked to
the past. Was Wow, that is

1502
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:39.840
a very long time, very long
time since I was in love with this.

1503
01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:42.680
Yeah. Yeah, it was Docerina
and wind Waker for me, or

1504
01:30:42.680 --> 01:30:45.960
the last two that really on the
console that really hit home totally. So

1505
01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:48.560
God damn. I hope that they
nail what they're going for with this.

1506
01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:54.039
Uh. And they're talking a big
game. Yeah yeah, I mean,

1507
01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:57.840
let's hope that this comes together,
you know, like the idea of them

1508
01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:00.880
taking this thing in new direction,
like great, that's exactly what it needs.

1509
01:31:02.279 --> 01:31:04.920
Uh. So you just do you
think Holiday twenty sixteen? Yeah,

1510
01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:08.199
Like, you can't launch this ELD
the game not at a holiday, right,

1511
01:31:08.560 --> 01:31:11.479
I mean you could, but I
you know, I don't think that

1512
01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:15.800
that makes sense. Yeah, flag
Day, Flag Day? Why not flag

1513
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:17.800
day? It's fair? Yeah?
Why not? Sure? Why not?

1514
01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:21.640
Indeed? Uh, you know what
game is coming out this year? And

1515
01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:27.479
I don't believe you. I don't
think anything is. I'm really sure everything

1516
01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:30.039
got delayed. Okay, that's the
last of it. Well, Microsoft says

1517
01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:33.640
Halo five is coming out October twenty
seven. Okay, you're ready for that,

1518
01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:36.399
jo, I'll let you catch your
breath. Yep. Does that work

1519
01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:40.039
out for you? Yeah, that'll
work. Yeah. They kept doing all

1520
01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:45.880
these like countdowns for like Halo stuff, like they hunt the truth what was

1521
01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:49.079
a arg type? Yeah, But
every time I kept seeing the countdown,

1522
01:31:49.159 --> 01:31:50.880
all I could think was like,
what is that the count out of the

1523
01:31:50.920 --> 01:32:00.359
next fucking patch? Come on?
Yeah? I don't know. I wonder

1524
01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:05.439
how many people feel burned by Halo
at this point because of the Master Chief

1525
01:32:05.479 --> 01:32:08.600
collection. I don't think the people
that are like, yeah, the people

1526
01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:10.359
that are like died in the woold, like whatever, who cares, they'll

1527
01:32:10.399 --> 01:32:13.640
happily get Halo five. But I
just wonder if there are people out there

1528
01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:15.479
that are that are like a little
bit like, yeah, man, fucking

1529
01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:17.800
Halo. They fucked me over the
last time. I guess I could see

1530
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:20.520
that, but like, I feel
like the audience for the Master Chief collection

1531
01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:25.199
was is already the died in the
wool. Yeah, Halo like at some

1532
01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:27.600
point of votique, they're they're there
no matter what. I guess, like

1533
01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:31.399
they want Halo five more than anybody
probably, right, Yeah, and multiplayer

1534
01:32:31.479 --> 01:32:36.000
Bay just seemed really fascinating. Yeah, people people seem to respond really positively

1535
01:32:36.039 --> 01:32:40.560
to that thing, especially after because
they changed a lot of things about it.

1536
01:32:41.199 --> 01:32:43.239
But then again, they also changed
a lot of things about Halo four,

1537
01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:46.920
and I kind of assumed that just
meant like the the outcry about Halo

1538
01:32:47.000 --> 01:32:50.680
four made me assume that people just
didn't want Halo to change, But this

1539
01:32:50.960 --> 01:32:54.479
makes it seem more like they just
didn't like the way Halo four changed.

1540
01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:58.720
Yeah, because five is doing in
some some different stuff and people seem to

1541
01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:02.680
really like it so far, so
hopefully that stuff works out. Yeah,

1542
01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:08.760
Halo ford just felt like change.
Halo five feels like modern change or like

1543
01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:12.479
intelligent change, like like like an
act like a natural evolution. Yes.

1544
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:15.680
Yeah, Well, the thing I
kept hearing about four was like, oh,

1545
01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:17.800
they just tried to make a call
of duty, like with a lot

1546
01:33:17.880 --> 01:33:21.119
of the stuff that they did in
the UI, Like they definitely they put

1547
01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:27.000
stuff in there that modernized it in
the like me too sort of way.

1548
01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:30.920
Yeah, I could see whereas it
sounds like Halo five like has an identity

1549
01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:33.159
of its own. Yeah, what
they're doing with it or so it seems.

1550
01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:39.159
Uh, they rolled this news out
with a big live action trailer during

1551
01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:43.800
the season finale of Walking Dead,
So really they are spinning up that marketing

1552
01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:46.720
machine nice and early for this What
flavor of mountain dew will we get this

1553
01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:51.399
holiday for double XP for Halo or
whatever it is? Spartan berry Okay,

1554
01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:56.720
yeah, sure, so I work
fun grape. Yeah. But yeah they're

1555
01:33:56.720 --> 01:34:00.159
like, you know, birth like
a birthday cake flavor for run birth thing.

1556
01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:02.680
Okay, sure, seven months before
the game comes out. Seems pretty

1557
01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:09.920
early to be running like expensive TV
spots. But I mean they don't have

1558
01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:12.600
a ton of other announced stuff to
get out there and promote right now,

1559
01:34:13.079 --> 01:34:17.239
so and you know, like it
probably makes sense for them and like,

1560
01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:21.199
hey, let's capitalize on this like
television event where we can slide a message

1561
01:34:21.199 --> 01:34:25.600
into even if a lot of people
probably DVR it and never see this shit.

1562
01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:28.600
I mean, I just I wonder
what the marketing philosophy is where you

1563
01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:30.239
know, it's seven months before release, like, it seems like there's some

1564
01:34:30.239 --> 01:34:33.880
potential for people to see this and
then forget Yeah, in the next four

1565
01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.279
or five months. I don't think
they'll let up, though. I think

1566
01:34:36.319 --> 01:34:44.000
it'll be maybe you gotta remind him
guess daily. Okay, Halo what go

1567
01:34:44.119 --> 01:34:47.359
to? Hey, guys, Halo
dot com more information? Uh, we

1568
01:34:47.399 --> 01:34:53.159
should go see if anybody has that. I'm happy to someone squad on it

1569
01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:56.640
with pornography or whatever. Another nightmare
bullshit, that's fine. I don't want

1570
01:34:56.680 --> 01:35:00.680
I'm I'm I'm only to by domains. If the joke is really good.

1571
01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:03.920
Okay, I'm gonna let some of
my old ones go. That's fine because

1572
01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:08.479
the jokes aren't that good. That's
fair. Much like Halo five, it's

1573
01:35:08.479 --> 01:35:11.359
time to move on, yea from
that old stuff. Did you see the

1574
01:35:11.359 --> 01:35:14.600
screenshot of the store page for the
Halo five beta floating around where it was

1575
01:35:14.680 --> 01:35:18.039
ten point two seven gigabytes? No, and this is coming out on ten

1576
01:35:18.319 --> 01:35:24.680
twenty seven. Oh. Do you
think that was intentional? The hell of

1577
01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:30.520
a coincidence if not. But anyway, Halo five coming, I don't know.

1578
01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:33.399
You tell me it's the series that
brought you. I love bees.

1579
01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:39.199
I think anything is possible. So
it's also not the only Halo news of

1580
01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:45.199
the week, Double Halo. Let
me introduce you to Halo Online being developed

1581
01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:50.840
by Saber Interactive. Who did They
did that first anniversary thing for Halo one

1582
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:57.680
sixty and then they did part of
master Chief Collection, right, but a

1583
01:35:57.720 --> 01:36:00.319
lot of companies work on the Master
Chief Collection. I'm not sure what they

1584
01:36:00.359 --> 01:36:02.039
did specifically. I think they did
the Halo two anniverse. I think you're

1585
01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:04.600
right. I think you're right,
And that sounds like that thing went well,

1586
01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:10.640
right, Yeah, the restoration the
remastering of Halo two. Yeah,

1587
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:14.279
it seems like the one played it
online co op. Okay, So that

1588
01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:17.560
seems like the one thing I've seen
nobody complain about in that package. Uh.

1589
01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:25.680
They and the Nava Systems are jointly
developing Halo Online for the PC freed

1590
01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:30.239
by as a free to play online
game like in this territory, now coming

1591
01:36:30.279 --> 01:36:32.520
out only in Russia. There we
go. Yeah, there's the there's the

1592
01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:35.479
actual Yeah, there's there's the part
of the matters. There we go.

1593
01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:39.640
Also, Hey, you know what, Yes, I would love to play

1594
01:36:39.720 --> 01:36:44.079
that in Russian. I would love
to play just regardless Russian Halo. Yeah,

1595
01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:46.960
uh, I guess, I guess
they've had Russian press in to play

1596
01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:50.680
this thing already. They're taking they're
taking sign ups for a closed beta,

1597
01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:55.039
but out keys for it yet from
the sounds of it, so it's about

1598
01:36:55.039 --> 01:36:59.479
to be in closed beta. It
runs on Oh yeah, okay, I'm

1599
01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:00.960
fairly on foot it the one way
or another. Someone in this office,

1600
01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:04.560
we'll get into this thing. They
say that it runs on a heavily modified

1601
01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:10.239
version of the Halo three engine.
Keep looking at Drew because I don't I

1602
01:37:10.560 --> 01:37:15.199
don't know anything about this. Suppose
the good thing supposed little scale to low

1603
01:37:15.279 --> 01:37:18.239
end PCs. It's real weird.
It's probably not meant for the United States,

1604
01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:23.359
probably not. Halo Online is set
on a secret UNSC space installation called

1605
01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:28.000
Anvil. We're Spartan four soldiers trained
together and more exercises to sharpen their battle

1606
01:37:28.039 --> 01:37:31.119
skills and test experimental technology. Sounds
like the Call of Duty China thing.

1607
01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:35.439
Yeah, yeah, it sounds very
very much. And that whole Anvil set

1608
01:37:35.520 --> 01:37:39.279
up, like the training on a
cruiser thing is, is what the Spartan

1609
01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:41.880
ops stuff was in Halo four,
right right, And that was really just

1610
01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:45.640
sort of a gussied up menu.
Yeah. Uh, they any story or

1611
01:37:45.680 --> 01:37:50.239
a yeah, narrative justification for multiplayer, right, so that it could mean

1612
01:37:50.359 --> 01:37:56.880
virtually nothing. Yep, that's yep, that's fair. Microsoft's kind of sort

1613
01:37:56.920 --> 01:38:00.880
of kind of sort of address some
questions. They wouldn't commit to it coming

1614
01:38:00.920 --> 01:38:04.840
out in any territories outside of Russia. They did say there are no plans

1615
01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:12.039
to bring it to the Xbox One. Uh, that's about it. Everything

1616
01:38:12.079 --> 01:38:14.680
else they kind of dodged the questions. Yeah, I mean it makes sense.

1617
01:38:14.720 --> 01:38:17.279
You've got this work that's already done
in a lot of cases and might

1618
01:38:17.359 --> 01:38:19.880
not need a full game's worth of
development to get up and running on the

1619
01:38:19.960 --> 01:38:25.079
PC. You've got territories where free
to play is the way that people interact

1620
01:38:25.119 --> 01:38:27.960
with games, whether you like it
or not. Uh, you know,

1621
01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:30.960
if you can leverage your pre existing
shit for that market and get it out

1622
01:38:31.000 --> 01:38:34.520
there and make some money, I
can't fault them for it. Yeah,

1623
01:38:34.520 --> 01:38:38.199
why not. I can't necessarily say
that that will be a great game.

1624
01:38:38.359 --> 01:38:41.560
So I'm not sure that that Call
of Duty Online is a particularly great game

1625
01:38:42.399 --> 01:38:45.960
in terms of just like how they
monetize and that sort of thing. But

1626
01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:51.119
you know, sure like they have
stuff. These places don't necessarily cotton to

1627
01:38:51.199 --> 01:38:56.680
console ownership. It makes sense.
Yeah, it's hard to get too upset

1628
01:38:56.680 --> 01:38:59.680
about it. Also, like you
said, it might potentially not be that

1629
01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:02.319
great, So it's not like they're
withholding like this amazing new Halo product from

1630
01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:04.199
fans or something like that. Yeah, I think work. It gets weird

1631
01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:06.760
is when they do withhold it,
like there is that sense of like,

1632
01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:09.479
well, what are they hiding.
It's like, well, they're hiding a

1633
01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:12.359
business model that lets you play Halo
for free and they want you to keep

1634
01:39:12.399 --> 01:39:15.720
paying sixty dollars for the game.
Like it's not there's no mystery there.

1635
01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:19.119
It's not not rocket science. Uh
yeah, well we'll endeavor to check that

1636
01:39:19.199 --> 01:39:24.279
out at some point where possible,
Yeah, if we can. Yeah,

1637
01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:26.520
we should stop saying that out loud, because the more you say it,

1638
01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:30.560
the more likely they are to put
fucking you know, region restrictions on it.

1639
01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:34.119
And hey, but their ways around
that. Life finds a way.

1640
01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:39.239
It's all right, that has not
stopped anyone before. All Right, a

1641
01:39:39.359 --> 01:39:45.399
couple of brief like public surface announcements
of a sort this week, Jason,

1642
01:39:45.399 --> 01:39:47.399
you've probably heard about this already,
but there's a game breaking bug and bloodborne

1643
01:39:47.680 --> 01:39:54.720
what maybe you didn't hear about this
playing along, keep going take everything of

1644
01:39:54.760 --> 01:39:58.359
face value around here. But to
Sony's credit, they got out there in

1645
01:39:58.399 --> 01:39:59.960
front of it, like as soon
as they knew about it, they put

1646
01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:01.720
out They actually emailed like everybody on
the press list saying like, hey,

1647
01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:04.479
could you please get this news to
your readers. They were not trying to

1648
01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:10.199
cover it up. They in fact
wanted to inform people that if you if

1649
01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:15.239
you engage in any of the multiplayer
coopera or kind of invasion stuff in the

1650
01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:18.079
Forbidden Woods, which is the area
that I just finished up, it will

1651
01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:23.199
cause a specific key that you need
to progress in the main storyline to never

1652
01:40:23.239 --> 01:40:26.800
appear what Dudley suck. Yes,
and there are people that have been hit

1653
01:40:26.880 --> 01:40:29.239
by this bug. That's how they
found it. Hopefully they were invaders because

1654
01:40:29.239 --> 01:40:32.560
they're dick. That would be pretty
great. Actually they are. They're trying

1655
01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:34.960
to fast track a patch. They
say it'll be out this week sometime.

1656
01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:39.439
But you know, anybody who got
hit by that bug, I think is

1657
01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:41.840
just scruded. Until then, like
I was gonna say, yeah, like

1658
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:45.479
I hope it's just like retroactively.
I think it sounds like it'll be somewhere.

1659
01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:47.000
I think it sounds like it'll just
fix it for anybody, even if

1660
01:40:47.039 --> 01:40:48.800
it already happened to them. But
still, it's like, you know,

1661
01:40:48.920 --> 01:40:53.319
if you really bore down on that
game, like you could have gotten to

1662
01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:55.319
that point in a couple of days
after release, and then all of a

1663
01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:58.760
sudden you're sitting on your new game
for a week, not able to continue

1664
01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:01.079
playing until that pass if you're not
like, you know, reading the internet,

1665
01:41:01.119 --> 01:41:04.199
if you're trying to steer clear of
like spoilers, Uh, like I

1666
01:41:04.319 --> 01:41:06.920
do you know? For the most
part, I know this key, but

1667
01:41:08.000 --> 01:41:11.319
where is Yeah? Seriously, yeah, I'd be going nuts, especially in

1668
01:41:11.359 --> 01:41:13.560
those games, because they're, like
we were saying earlier, there's so many

1669
01:41:13.640 --> 01:41:15.479
cases of like, oh I killed
a boss, I got a key,

1670
01:41:15.560 --> 01:41:17.479
but I have no idea where to
use it. I'm gonna run around every

1671
01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:20.439
available square inch of this game looking
for the door that it goes to.

1672
01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:24.079
You. I have too much insight? Is it not trying up? I

1673
01:41:24.319 --> 01:41:27.000
do? I need less? What
was the world dark? Right? So

1674
01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:30.000
before they before they got this news
out, there's every possibility that people that

1675
01:41:30.039 --> 01:41:31.760
were affected could just be like running
in circles going like, what am I

1676
01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:35.720
doing wrong? I have to be
missing something. Hopefully they will get that

1677
01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:40.520
fixed as soon as they can.
There's another patch coming out. I guess

1678
01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:45.800
GTA five's graphics got inadvertently downgraded.
How does that inadvertently? I have no

1679
01:41:45.880 --> 01:41:49.319
idea, like, like, apparently
the card damage, like the card deformation

1680
01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:55.920
has been gimped somehow or kind of
like like you know, lessened in a

1681
01:41:55.960 --> 01:42:00.319
way. Uh, and then some
other some other like much more your like

1682
01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:02.159
graphical effects I think, like parallax
mapping or something like that. Like,

1683
01:42:02.640 --> 01:42:05.399
yeah, I thought the parallax mapp
Yeah, you can tell right, parax

1684
01:42:05.640 --> 01:42:08.720
thing was a little bit. I
knew you had an eye for detail.

1685
01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:13.560
Uh, well, somebody noticed it
sounds like maybe the stuff had kind of

1686
01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:17.439
happened in the course of the heist, stuff getting patched in because they rolled

1687
01:42:17.439 --> 01:42:20.960
out like a five gig update for
GTA five on. I'll bet that stuff

1688
01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:26.960
happens more than you think we perceive. You think there's just enough people playing

1689
01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:30.079
GTA that they noticed in that case, Yeah, huh. Do you think

1690
01:42:30.119 --> 01:42:34.920
the five gig patches because it's GTA
five, think about it? Followed the

1691
01:42:34.960 --> 01:42:39.520
patches, yap is that high stuff
working. It sounds like it's starting to

1692
01:42:39.560 --> 01:42:42.119
work. I had wanted to check
it out. Maybe maybe you like do

1693
01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:44.359
a quick look or something with it. The week didn't rolled out, and

1694
01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:45.640
then everybody was just like, you
can't play it, it doesn't work.

1695
01:42:46.399 --> 01:42:48.760
And I haven't gone back since then. It sounds like it might be starting

1696
01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:53.279
tone. I just want that parallax
stuff again. Yeah, I want to

1697
01:42:53.319 --> 01:42:55.079
wait for that. Well, yeah, I'm not gonna play it again until

1698
01:42:55.079 --> 01:42:59.359
the patch. But they did,
I mean rock Star did get out there

1699
01:42:59.359 --> 01:43:00.760
and say like, yeah, we
have identified the issue. It will be

1700
01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:05.159
fixed in an un forthcoming patch.
So that happened. Also, the PC

1701
01:43:05.359 --> 01:43:11.399
versions out like two weeks Yeah,
finally actually coming out. It's like two

1702
01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:13.640
weeks away. I don't think they
have time to delay it again. I

1703
01:43:13.720 --> 01:43:15.960
really want that. They put out
some new screenshots last week and it looks

1704
01:43:16.000 --> 01:43:20.520
really fucking good. Plus I'm sure
mods are going to be totally crazy ye

1705
01:43:20.760 --> 01:43:26.680
for that game. Anyway, that's
your weekly update and patch news, Thank

1706
01:43:26.760 --> 01:43:29.600
you, Brad. There was an
evolved patch. Yeah, I've pulled that

1707
01:43:29.720 --> 01:43:30.640
this morning. What is that?
I don't know, Maybe I want to

1708
01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:34.000
uninstalled Evolved. It was like wait, oh, Evolve is still installed on

1709
01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:40.720
this machine. Weird. Yeah yeah, maybe but free maps that's problem.

1710
01:43:40.760 --> 01:43:42.840
Maybe that's oh you know, they're
might even maps in there, who knows,

1711
01:43:43.600 --> 01:43:45.600
who knows. It's pretty light week
in news from what I could tell.

1712
01:43:45.760 --> 01:43:48.920
The only other thing I saw is
that the second half Broken Age got

1713
01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:55.680
announced for April twenty eight finally,
Wow, which is a good what four

1714
01:43:56.079 --> 01:43:59.760
years So it's the Kickstarter Yeah,
sure, I think it's been four years.

1715
01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:05.319
I mostly included that news just to
you know, point out that,

1716
01:44:05.439 --> 01:44:09.680
hey, like they've kind of closed
the loop on that, like that initial

1717
01:44:09.720 --> 01:44:13.439
era of Kickstarter being just like great
new way forward for games funding. I

1718
01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:15.800
wonder how that, you know,
like what's what's the post mortem and all

1719
01:44:15.880 --> 01:44:20.600
that stuff in terms of like if
that worked out for them business wise,

1720
01:44:20.840 --> 01:44:25.680
and you know, I mean they
were sort of the first people to give

1721
01:44:25.720 --> 01:44:30.319
that a shot. That's what I
mean I'm about, and other companies probably

1722
01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:33.720
learned a lot of things from double
find a hand. Yeah, but yeah,

1723
01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:35.239
I mean i'd love to hear there. I mean, aren't there.

1724
01:44:35.319 --> 01:44:39.600
They're like Kickstarter consultants out there,
right, Yeah, people that can like

1725
01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:43.079
help people that will happily take your
money and see you what you should do

1726
01:44:43.119 --> 01:44:45.439
and Kickstarter how to how to run
a campaign successfully, like how to structure

1727
01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:49.680
your your tears and blah blah.
People that will definitely guarantee to harass media

1728
01:44:49.720 --> 01:44:54.199
outlets about your Kickstarter if you pay
them money. I don't know where else

1729
01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:59.760
going with that. Good to know
and uh and that leads right into emails.

1730
01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:02.920
The first email, which is about
this very subject Comcast Giant bomb dot

1731
01:45:02.960 --> 01:45:09.800
com. Send emails with that address. I will please do. Matt from

1732
01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:13.920
Saint Paul, Minnesota did yeah,
and it was about Kickstarter games in light

1733
01:45:14.000 --> 01:45:16.760
of Broken Age. Oh, it's
also coming to PS four and VTA that

1734
01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:20.159
day. Oh cool, the full
thing was coming to those platforms. Oh

1735
01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:24.239
is it not out already? They
were waiting or you know, I'm sure

1736
01:45:24.279 --> 01:45:26.720
they're finishing the port or whatever.
But they were sure. Yeah, they

1737
01:45:26.760 --> 01:45:29.840
were waiting until the second half came
out on PC and just dropping it all.

1738
01:45:30.239 --> 01:45:32.920
Are you like, do you feel
like are you psyched? Broken Age?

1739
01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:35.640
Part two? Fucking love the first
half Broken Age like it left off.

1740
01:45:36.399 --> 01:45:40.279
It left off in such a way
that even god, how long has

1741
01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:43.039
it been a year and a half, nine years? I don't know,

1742
01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:45.600
like it feels remember when I played, Yeah, like, I can't remember

1743
01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:48.079
when I played the first half Broken
Age, but the the twist or the

1744
01:45:48.680 --> 01:45:51.600
cliffhanger, like suck with me,
Like I absolutely want to see the other

1745
01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:55.960
half of that story. I might
in fact go back and play through the

1746
01:45:55.960 --> 01:46:00.640
first half again, it's not super
long anyway. Matt writes in about this

1747
01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:05.800
kind of second era or second phase
of the Kickstarter era slightly less Broken Age,

1748
01:46:05.880 --> 01:46:11.600
Baby, we will see the first
really big generation of Kickstarter games.

1749
01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:15.159
Waste Land, two pillars of eternity. Broken Age Part two are finally starting

1750
01:46:15.199 --> 01:46:17.039
to hit, and for the most
part, are really really good. However,

1751
01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:21.119
it seems like the Kickstarter bubble to
Jam and Earl notwithstanding, has seemingly

1752
01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:25.920
burst. If you're not making a
gross potato salad, you're probably not going

1753
01:46:26.000 --> 01:46:29.520
to make a huge chunk of money. So how do you see Kickstarter as

1754
01:46:29.560 --> 01:46:31.720
a system for releasing games? The
games that came with a lot of hype

1755
01:46:31.720 --> 01:46:33.960
seemed to have lipped up to it. But even so, it looks like

1756
01:46:34.039 --> 01:46:36.000
that ship is sailed for the most
part, So if you didn't get in

1757
01:46:36.079 --> 01:46:40.600
during that to your window, you're
out of luck. He also wants to

1758
01:46:40.640 --> 01:46:43.960
know what's up with all the visual
novels hitting Steam can't help you there.

1759
01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:48.199
Yeah, it's a self correcting sort
of system. Ie, right, you

1760
01:46:48.239 --> 01:46:50.239
know, It's like it launched and
it was this big new way, and

1761
01:46:50.840 --> 01:46:54.159
you know, Double Fine kind of
kicked down the door and made a bunch

1762
01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:57.479
of money. Some other people came
in made you know, similar similarly large.

1763
01:46:57.600 --> 01:47:00.159
Yeah, wastes of money. Wasteland
and Pillars are good examples of games

1764
01:47:00.199 --> 01:47:03.600
that also made like three four million
dollars or whatever. And then I think

1765
01:47:03.640 --> 01:47:09.039
everyone kind of started realizing what the
potential pitfalls of that system were and everyone

1766
01:47:09.079 --> 01:47:11.920
got a little more wary about it. Yeah, Like I was surprised that

1767
01:47:11.960 --> 01:47:15.239
Ampletude made it through. Well that
was a close shave. Yeah, Like

1768
01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:18.359
it was looking dicey there, and
that's like that's a game that I look

1769
01:47:18.399 --> 01:47:23.439
at and like remember very fondly.
Like before that Kickstarter launched, if you

1770
01:47:23.520 --> 01:47:25.279
had just walked up to me and
said like, hey, they're gonna lauch

1771
01:47:25.279 --> 01:47:27.520
Apude Kickstarter, do you think they'll
make it? I would have been like

1772
01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:30.640
yeah, because I know so many
people that like revere the old Ampletude games,

1773
01:47:30.840 --> 01:47:35.239
yeah, or game rather sure Aude
and frequency. But but it kind

1774
01:47:35.239 --> 01:47:39.640
of limped across the finish line to
Jam and Earl like kind of barely made

1775
01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:42.800
it right exactly. And I think, like, you know, like the

1776
01:47:43.000 --> 01:47:45.880
I think what they were showing for
to Jam and Earl looked looked dicey.

1777
01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:48.000
I don't necessarily look at that and
go like, oh man, gotta have

1778
01:47:48.079 --> 01:47:49.520
it. Like I look at it
and go like, I, you know,

1779
01:47:49.680 --> 01:47:53.920
the I don't know that I agree
with the voicing them with the characters

1780
01:47:53.960 --> 01:47:56.159
and blah blah blah. So that
was that was stuff about that stuff that

1781
01:47:56.239 --> 01:47:59.199
was not just necessarily like the bottom
falling out of the kickstarter. But then

1782
01:47:59.239 --> 01:48:01.600
like but also like you know,
the stuff like the spiritual successor to Mutant

1783
01:48:01.640 --> 01:48:05.600
League Football called Mutant Football League did
not make it. It did not make

1784
01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:08.720
it on kicks. They're still making
it. Yeah they're still doing it.

1785
01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:13.640
Yeah they're still they're still doing it. But uh yeah, like it did

1786
01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:15.439
not make its Kickstarter, like not
by a lot. It's just one of

1787
01:48:15.479 --> 01:48:18.560
those things that, yeah, you
know, I think that enough people have

1788
01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:23.359
kind of come back hat in hand
saying hey, we're the people that made

1789
01:48:23.399 --> 01:48:26.000
this original game, we would like
to make a new one that does not

1790
01:48:26.119 --> 01:48:30.039
have the name or you know,
or in some cases does how would you

1791
01:48:30.079 --> 01:48:32.439
feel about funding it? Like I
feel like that's an ikey or like like

1792
01:48:32.520 --> 01:48:36.439
that's not a guaranteed hit proposition.
You know that it's not. It's just

1793
01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:40.119
it's one of those things. I
think enough stuff has gotten out there that

1794
01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:45.239
I've given people pause that I think
it's kind of it's made it way less

1795
01:48:45.279 --> 01:48:47.479
surefire than it didn't seemed like it
was going to be when Double Fine was

1796
01:48:47.720 --> 01:48:50.760
like raking in all that extra month. When it works, it's like it

1797
01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:54.520
can make for like kind of one
of the greatest like feel good stories.

1798
01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:57.199
Though, like like Pillars of Eternity. I looked at that and I was

1799
01:48:57.199 --> 01:48:59.159
like, Okay, I know what
kind of game that is. I'm not

1800
01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:01.239
like dying to play it, but
I'm glad they're making it for the people

1801
01:49:01.279 --> 01:49:03.920
to want it. Yeah, it'll
probably come out and be fine, but

1802
01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:08.079
then the ideal Right, well,
but but that one in particular has come

1803
01:49:08.119 --> 01:49:11.359
out and has been explosively successful,
Like it's been the top seller on Steam

1804
01:49:11.399 --> 01:49:13.760
since it came out at like fifty
bucks, right. But it's like,

1805
01:49:14.840 --> 01:49:16.199
especially when you look at the lineage
of that one and it's like, oh,

1806
01:49:16.279 --> 01:49:20.520
these are the people that have made
some of the like most beloved pcrpg's

1807
01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:24.880
of all time. Like they're getting
to make another one that's awesome, Like

1808
01:49:25.039 --> 01:49:27.239
that should come back, you know, like some some of the other stuff

1809
01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:30.800
on Kickstarter maybe less of like a
surefire bet than that. Yeah, Like

1810
01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:35.439
day Last Soul is on Kickstarter right
now, kickstarting their new album really and

1811
01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:39.159
they only want like a hundred k
or not have a record deal anymore?

1812
01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:42.520
Who who the fuck needs a record
deal anymore? And also like who would

1813
01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:45.840
give you know, like like like
to honestly, like you know, what

1814
01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:48.640
major label is gonna go like promotionally
get behind Day Lost Soul at this point

1815
01:49:48.720 --> 01:49:54.399
that it's been like a decade plus
since they put out like a studio album.

1816
01:49:54.680 --> 01:49:57.039
Yeah, you know, not to
say that they've fallen off, Like

1817
01:49:57.199 --> 01:50:00.720
I think they've been doing great work
in the later stages their career and and

1818
01:50:01.239 --> 01:50:02.800
and all that sort of stuff,
but it's like, you know, yeah,

1819
01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:04.560
it's like they're getting out there and
saying like, hey, we need

1820
01:50:05.079 --> 01:50:09.039
one hundred k to like handle recording
and mixing a mastering for this thing.

1821
01:50:09.119 --> 01:50:11.760
Like we already like the the ideas
in place, we already are going to

1822
01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:14.520
do this stuff. We just want
to you know, and we'll take pre

1823
01:50:14.640 --> 01:50:15.880
orders and if you want to buy
one of our extra pairs of shoes or

1824
01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:17.800
the MPC, we did it all, you know, like we can get

1825
01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:20.640
it. We can get you that
stuff, and it's it's just sort of

1826
01:50:20.680 --> 01:50:25.159
a weird proposition. It's always weird
to me when people that you look at

1827
01:50:25.199 --> 01:50:28.359
it and think like, well,
these people should be totally established, why

1828
01:50:28.399 --> 01:50:30.800
would they ever need Kickstarter. I
think music is one of those things where

1829
01:50:30.800 --> 01:50:33.720
the model has changed so much that
like it's it's actually, if you think

1830
01:50:33.720 --> 01:50:38.560
about it, it's pretty clear why
and act like that would would turn to

1831
01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:44.279
something like Kickstarter rather than go get
some fucked deal from a label. Yeah,

1832
01:50:44.319 --> 01:50:47.439
like super Troopers two. They did
that Indie Go Go campaign where they're

1833
01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:50.159
just you know, they raised like
millions of dollars from people saying like,

1834
01:50:50.279 --> 01:50:53.560
well, we only get to make
this movie if we get two million,

1835
01:50:54.000 --> 01:50:56.760
and hopefully we'll get more than that
and we can make it better. Which

1836
01:50:56.840 --> 01:50:59.560
that's always like my least favorite thing
on this stuff, when like every dollar

1837
01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:00.119
is going to go into it,
so the more you give us, the

1838
01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:02.439
better we'll make it. It's like, Okay, well, what what's the

1839
01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:05.840
diminishing returns line there? For like, you know, what's the actual sweet

1840
01:51:05.880 --> 01:51:11.439
spot of money to make good versus
maybe it doesn't matter because it's just people

1841
01:51:11.439 --> 01:51:14.640
pre ordering a movie. Movies are
a weird one because they're so fucking expensive

1842
01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:16.720
that when they go out looking for
that amount of money, like you know,

1843
01:51:16.880 --> 01:51:21.680
there is a whole other level of
funding from like private investors that is

1844
01:51:21.720 --> 01:51:25.920
dependent on them getting that money.
Yeah, because you know, like like

1845
01:51:26.039 --> 01:51:28.560
even in you know what is what's
a shoe string budget? And in the

1846
01:51:28.640 --> 01:51:30.600
film these days, like even like
five ten million dollars is a tiny ass

1847
01:51:30.720 --> 01:51:35.239
budget, right, I guess so
ifference I used to a different a different

1848
01:51:35.239 --> 01:51:39.680
scale of production there. Yeah,
often do you get secrets they are just

1849
01:51:39.760 --> 01:51:42.800
like go over budget, you mean, like just get way more than they

1850
01:51:42.840 --> 01:51:46.680
asked for. Well no, like
well, like yeah, they need more.

1851
01:51:47.159 --> 01:51:49.479
I think that happens, like,
well, I don't know, I

1852
01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:53.600
mean that probably quite a bit.
Like Broken Age was definitely a case where

1853
01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:56.920
they like have been out there multiple
times, like we've said, we put

1854
01:51:57.079 --> 01:52:00.359
way more instead of making a thing
that was just like a fun few rooms

1855
01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:02.359
and haha, we brought this genre
back that actually make it for reels and

1856
01:52:02.399 --> 01:52:05.840
then they put way more money into
it. Yeah, you know, a

1857
01:52:05.880 --> 01:52:10.079
lot of a lot of kickstarter velfers
don't necessarily give a ton of visibility into

1858
01:52:10.079 --> 01:52:14.960
their finances and stuff unless they've like, you know, flown the white flag

1859
01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:16.119
and said like, all right,
this is not gonna happen. And here's

1860
01:52:16.119 --> 01:52:20.039
why, Jeff, did you put
back in for the Pebble too? Fuck?

1861
01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:24.640
No, that one is baffling to
me. Yeah, that one got

1862
01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:26.399
a ton of money, right,
yeah, like that? Yes, that

1863
01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:30.399
was that one in particular looks like
Apple Watch coming out, like a watch

1864
01:52:30.479 --> 01:52:33.439
that seems like way more capable of
stuff than the original Pebble ever was.

1865
01:52:34.439 --> 01:52:36.600
Yeah, I don't forget Apple Watch, but yeah, I guess if you

1866
01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:41.039
know, you don't don't have a
like the idea of like you know,

1867
01:52:41.199 --> 01:52:44.439
yeah, yeah, but the idea
of the two subscar like two separate Pebble

1868
01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:46.640
kickstarters would both like go through the
reef, Yeah, like the first one.

1869
01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:50.119
Sure, but you think the expectations
for the second one would be tempered

1870
01:52:50.119 --> 01:52:53.600
a little bit. Yeah, I
don't know. Man, it's a weird

1871
01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:58.720
time. Why it's like fuck watches? Also fuck time? Yep, I

1872
01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:03.039
got a phone look at that I
don't know, Yeah, that Kickstarter will

1873
01:53:03.079 --> 01:53:06.920
keep going. Games with ideas that
a lot of people want will get funded.

1874
01:53:08.439 --> 01:53:11.039
I guess it's just analogy. It
just seems like, you know,

1875
01:53:11.159 --> 01:53:13.960
like the ideas, and I guess, like, you know, I haven't

1876
01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:15.479
looked in a long time, but
you know, like how many like bedroom

1877
01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:19.520
developers with dreams of their own of
making something original are making it through Kickstarter.

1878
01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:26.119
It seems like the purest concepts for
Kickstarter. I've always been here's this

1879
01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:29.680
thing that I want to make,
and you know, no one's making this,

1880
01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:32.359
and and we're gonna make it this
whether it's industrial design stuff or whatever

1881
01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:36.439
it is. Uh. And it
seems like games in particular have become the

1882
01:53:36.520 --> 01:53:42.039
realm of Hey, I'm the guy
that made this old thing. I don't

1883
01:53:42.079 --> 01:53:44.760
own the ip to it anymore,
But how about I make something that's a

1884
01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:45.920
slight spin on it and you give
me a bunch of money to do it.

1885
01:53:46.760 --> 01:53:49.399
And like, on one hand,
like that's kind of cool when it's

1886
01:53:49.439 --> 01:53:53.199
genres that haven't come back. In
the other hand, it's like it just

1887
01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:55.920
it doesn't feel right. It really
feels kind of messed up to me.

1888
01:53:55.960 --> 01:53:58.720
And I mean, as long as
they're delivering the game people want. Yeah,

1889
01:53:59.439 --> 01:54:01.079
yeah, you're you're right. It's
way, you're right, you're right.

1890
01:54:01.720 --> 01:54:04.399
You kind of have to go by
feel most of the time. And

1891
01:54:04.439 --> 01:54:10.119
it's it's like people that are already
theoretically connected that you know, you'd want

1892
01:54:10.159 --> 01:54:13.199
to think could get funding some other
way, but I guess there's really no

1893
01:54:13.319 --> 01:54:15.680
other way to get funding for some
of these ideas anymore. They're not they're

1894
01:54:15.680 --> 01:54:18.760
not as viable to be, not
at the scale that of production that we're

1895
01:54:18.800 --> 01:54:21.560
talking about these days, like how
much games actually cost to make. Now

1896
01:54:21.800 --> 01:54:26.560
everyone's so risking these days, like
you know, funding people giving out funding

1897
01:54:26.720 --> 01:54:29.279
or not. They're not sitting there
going like we want to make a point

1898
01:54:29.279 --> 01:54:30.800
and look at Venture game ey,
Like you go like, you're not going

1899
01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:33.840
to Affinity Engine game shit man,
right, Like you're not checked all.

1900
01:54:33.920 --> 01:54:36.640
You're not gonna go to an EA
who just put out Battlefield Hardline, which

1901
01:54:36.640 --> 01:54:40.279
is practically a re skin of their
last Battlefield game, Like, you know,

1902
01:54:40.359 --> 01:54:43.800
companies like that are not going to
take big six million dollars bets on

1903
01:54:43.960 --> 01:54:47.800
whatever. Yeah, and even in
the cases where it's not like some revered

1904
01:54:47.840 --> 01:54:53.079
creator like a Tim Schaefer or you
know, all the new I don't know,

1905
01:54:53.279 --> 01:54:56.119
or a Citian or whoever. I
feel like even in even in a

1906
01:54:56.199 --> 01:54:59.399
lot of the other cases of successful
kickstarters, it's always like, oh,

1907
01:54:59.439 --> 01:55:01.319
well, we all worked at Buyaware
and now we're doing this or that's true.

1908
01:55:01.399 --> 01:55:06.880
Yeah, there's like there was like
the nine thousand different like ex irrational

1909
01:55:08.279 --> 01:55:12.239
kickstarters, Like I feel like not
even all all those didn't even make it

1910
01:55:12.439 --> 01:55:14.600
exact. Just like there's so many
out there vying for money. But but

1911
01:55:14.800 --> 01:55:17.279
like when you talk about like the
people who are successful on kickstarter have like

1912
01:55:17.520 --> 01:55:20.079
prior connections or whatever, it's like, yeah, even when they don't have

1913
01:55:20.199 --> 01:55:25.000
that pedigree by name, right,
they can still they still have their employment

1914
01:55:25.079 --> 01:55:27.159
history. They're like, oh,
you know, we have triple A experience.

1915
01:55:27.199 --> 01:55:29.760
But I think that's that's totally you
know that. I think that makes

1916
01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:31.119
sense. I think if you're a
person looking to put in money on something

1917
01:55:31.159 --> 01:55:34.119
like that and pre order something,
you want to know that these people have

1918
01:55:34.239 --> 01:55:38.680
done it before. Absolutely if they
had the capability, yeah, like hey,

1919
01:55:38.720 --> 01:55:40.960
we like just getting up there going, hey we shipped a game before,

1920
01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:43.600
right, Like okay, all right, that's you've been through this crazy

1921
01:55:43.680 --> 01:55:45.720
process. Whether whether I know that
how crazy it is or not that you

1922
01:55:45.800 --> 01:55:50.159
know, inherently makes you think that
they're going to follow through on their idea.

1923
01:55:51.640 --> 01:55:55.239
What was that fucked up one from
Dennis Dyak like he was trying to

1924
01:55:55.359 --> 01:55:59.680
make in like another Eternal game.
It was like project Project and I kept

1925
01:55:59.680 --> 01:56:02.439
getting like taken down and like read
oh that was so much more complicated though,

1926
01:56:02.479 --> 01:56:05.159
because like the Canadian government was involved, and there was like some weird

1927
01:56:05.239 --> 01:56:08.840
company names and had like the whole
things. Like Dennis, it's not involved.

1928
01:56:08.880 --> 01:56:11.359
It's like, actually you kind of
there was like some weird shell company

1929
01:56:11.600 --> 01:56:15.680
h that that stuff was super weird. I still have not ever contributed to

1930
01:56:15.720 --> 01:56:19.000
a Kickstarter really really yeah. I
just I don't know, like there hasn't

1931
01:56:19.039 --> 01:56:23.760
been enough out there that it's just
like yep, I firmly believe that this

1932
01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:26.359
is gonna take place. Well,
we're we're in we're you know, we're

1933
01:56:26.399 --> 01:56:30.479
in an extra weird position of covering
that stuff, you know. Yeah,

1934
01:56:30.560 --> 01:56:33.560
so yeah, I totally understand any
any stuff that you guys have your eye

1935
01:56:33.640 --> 01:56:38.920
on from Kickstarter that's going. The
last two I put in were for card

1936
01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:42.600
games like physical oh yeah, because
you'll get like a physical Yeah, there

1937
01:56:42.640 --> 01:56:47.680
are people selling like machined really nice
cubes out of it was a titanium or

1938
01:56:47.720 --> 01:56:53.640
something or tungsten or something like real
heavytube. Just a sick ass cube,

1939
01:56:53.720 --> 01:56:57.760
but like get a one inch cube
wow, made out of this material to

1940
01:56:57.880 --> 01:57:00.359
be like two pounds or just like
pay more and get a big que.

1941
01:57:00.479 --> 01:57:02.760
Yeah. Literally that was the rewards, the size of it. You could

1942
01:57:02.760 --> 01:57:04.760
eventually get its like a three inch
cube, but it was like fucking four

1943
01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:09.079
hundred bucks? Are they are?
They all like seeing seed to like point

1944
01:57:09.159 --> 01:57:12.880
two microns of precision, like perfect
right angles and it was like a real

1945
01:57:12.960 --> 01:57:14.520
weight to it. And yeah,
and I was looking at it going like

1946
01:57:14.640 --> 01:57:17.920
yeah, man, fucking ass cube. Uh No, I don't know.

1947
01:57:18.399 --> 01:57:21.399
I ended up, you know,
like I've backed a couple of those pinball

1948
01:57:21.479 --> 01:57:27.600
arcade kickstarters for the licensed stuff that
was harder for them to get. I

1949
01:57:27.640 --> 01:57:32.680
did not h No, it was
it was Terminator two. They did one

1950
01:57:32.720 --> 01:57:35.399
for Adams family. Yep, that
was the most recent one, I think,

1951
01:57:35.560 --> 01:57:39.760
yeah, and then that's out now. And they did one other one

1952
01:57:40.159 --> 01:57:43.960
all the Elvira tables as well.
Yeah did they? I don't know if

1953
01:57:44.000 --> 01:57:47.319
that was a kickstarter, though not
every license table was a Kickstarter, but

1954
01:57:47.399 --> 01:57:51.479
Adams Family was, Terminator two was
and there's one other one that I can't

1955
01:57:53.079 --> 01:57:59.800
think of, but there you go
a couple of those. Amplitude and then

1956
01:57:59.840 --> 01:58:06.479
like the fucking Pebble Watch and fucking
Max Tempkins were Wolf card games, which

1957
01:58:06.479 --> 01:58:11.239
I still have never played because it
requires you to be around people. That

1958
01:58:11.479 --> 01:58:15.159
The last one, the last one
I put in was for a solidaire.

1959
01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:20.199
How you're thinking, Mart, that's
smart? Yeah, the air Airborne Commander.

1960
01:58:21.479 --> 01:58:25.199
The hoodie that zips up all the
way over your head and then you

1961
01:58:25.239 --> 01:58:28.600
can look out of while it's zipped
all the way up. What it just

1962
01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:30.880
turns into a ski mask? Basically, Yeah, they have does it like

1963
01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:34.239
Walmart and they're all driving through the
strip mall and you decide you want to

1964
01:58:34.319 --> 01:58:38.760
knock off a bank. It's just
like up and go do this. It

1965
01:58:38.880 --> 01:58:42.319
ended up fitting like fucking shit,
This is just a really flimsy like the

1966
01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:45.000
first I put it on and ripped
it like the pocket ripped. I put

1967
01:58:45.039 --> 01:58:46.560
my hands in the pockets and then
I heard it go, well, fucking

1968
01:58:46.640 --> 01:58:51.920
gray, what an awesome garment.
The two kickstarters that come to mind for

1969
01:58:53.000 --> 01:58:55.760
me are Amplitude and then you guys
remember that game, The Flame and the

1970
01:58:55.800 --> 01:59:00.319
Flood. No, that game looks
awesome. Still not out, I mean

1971
01:59:00.359 --> 01:59:02.000
I think it got fund to the
Last Fall. Okay, it's not been

1972
01:59:02.039 --> 01:59:04.119
that long. But and then then
they that was you know, that was

1973
01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:09.479
a situation of Triple A developers going
indy. But that game looks super cool.

1974
01:59:09.640 --> 01:59:14.279
I came real close with a Shadow
Run. Okay, like I guess

1975
01:59:14.319 --> 01:59:15.680
that's yeah, that's still happening,
right, that's or that's in progress.

1976
01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:18.880
I mean this Shadow Run online,
I think, which might be. But

1977
01:59:19.039 --> 01:59:23.560
I mean yeah, I mean they've
released the full last game. Oh we'd

1978
01:59:23.560 --> 01:59:28.560
already wait shadow Run, yeah,
Shadow Run returns right, Oh that was

1979
01:59:28.600 --> 01:59:30.000
ages ago. Yeah okay, yes, yes, I totally forgot about that.

1980
01:59:30.039 --> 01:59:34.079
I'm not talking about recently. Okay, all right, there's your Kickstarter

1981
01:59:34.199 --> 01:59:41.199
minute for the week. Thank you. I also back the evonline book.

1982
01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:45.720
Oh right, yes, have you
played that history? But I keep looking

1983
01:59:45.800 --> 01:59:48.199
for like evonline sales. Dude,
what do you do get like the core

1984
01:59:48.319 --> 01:59:51.359
game? This is right of Drews
drew out a dude. We've been down

1985
01:59:51.439 --> 01:59:56.239
this road many times over the years, so you haven't played a yet.

1986
01:59:57.600 --> 02:00:00.520
Like a year ago, I played
like the free trial. I get the

1987
02:00:00.560 --> 02:00:03.279
sense that Drew gets all the eve
Online he needs without actually playing the game.

1988
02:00:03.319 --> 02:00:05.640
I would love to have time to
play that game. Sure, I

1989
02:00:05.640 --> 02:00:10.880
would love to just sit down for
ten hours. I would love the thing.

1990
02:00:11.000 --> 02:00:13.079
It's not just ten hours once in
a while, right, No,

1991
02:00:13.279 --> 02:00:15.239
I think it's every day. Yep. Oh. I also backed the indie

1992
02:00:15.279 --> 02:00:19.880
Go Go for Dan Reicher. It's
not about jose Canseco book, right,

1993
02:00:20.520 --> 02:00:24.760
yes, that other people right.
He fucking never gave me the reward for

1994
02:00:24.840 --> 02:00:27.199
that, now what you think about
it? I'm supposed to get a copy

1995
02:00:27.239 --> 02:00:29.560
of that book. Wait, you
never got the book. You never got

1996
02:00:30.840 --> 02:00:33.640
crowdfunding. This shit's is fucking scam. Well, when you're dealing with two

1997
02:00:33.680 --> 02:00:39.039
bit fly by not operators like that
kid, no shit buy or beware.

1998
02:00:39.159 --> 02:00:45.000
I was the first backer on that
thing, caveat intour, motherfucker. The

1999
02:00:45.279 --> 02:00:48.119
other card game was Bring your Own
Book, which I saw pas Oh right

2000
02:00:48.279 --> 02:00:51.319
cool, it was interesting with that. What was that? I forget the

2001
02:00:51.399 --> 02:00:55.960
name, but the kickstarter that Max
was involved with that uh like, became

2002
02:00:56.039 --> 02:01:00.520
the most just just by dollar figure. The most successful kickstarter recently, Wow,

2003
02:01:00.600 --> 02:01:03.079
which I don't remember the name of
the card game oh yes, it

2004
02:01:03.119 --> 02:01:06.000
was the Obil's card game. I
forget I still forget the exploding kitten or

2005
02:01:06.039 --> 02:01:09.920
something like that. But then,
but then everybody was looking at that going

2006
02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:12.439
like fucking, why does a card
game need twelve million dollars? And then

2007
02:01:12.439 --> 02:01:15.000
they were like, look like we
were manufacturing a physical item here, Yeah,

2008
02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:18.239
the costs only God, you know
this, this this is not an

2009
02:01:18.279 --> 02:01:20.760
economy of scale, like like we
have to pay for every set of this

2010
02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:24.800
way they have to fulfill all this
ship Like most of this money is going

2011
02:01:24.840 --> 02:01:28.840
into making this product and sending it
people who bought it. Uh, it's

2012
02:01:28.840 --> 02:01:31.560
a weird thing, but probably it's
we're probably not going away. Like people

2013
02:01:31.560 --> 02:01:34.039
put money into it and then they
don't necessarily understand the logistics of it,

2014
02:01:34.199 --> 02:01:38.319
but feel like they own a piece
of it when they really don't. Like

2015
02:01:38.520 --> 02:01:41.439
so it just creates a lot of
weird expectations all around. I feel like

2016
02:01:41.560 --> 02:01:45.279
I feel like more and more,
just anecdotally reading online good discussions about Kickstarter,

2017
02:01:45.479 --> 02:01:48.920
more people have grasped the notion that
they're not investing in something, they

2018
02:01:48.960 --> 02:01:53.399
are contributing to it or donating to
it. Rather. Yeah, like more

2019
02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:56.520
more people seem wary of the fact
that they they could blow up in their

2020
02:01:56.560 --> 02:01:58.680
face, and that's why the only
they might not get what they paid for.

2021
02:01:58.760 --> 02:02:01.319
The only time that I I'm gonna
go to Kickstarter and feel okay about

2022
02:02:01.359 --> 02:02:05.319
it is when it does end up
feeling like I'm pre ordering something, when

2023
02:02:05.319 --> 02:02:08.680
I can look at it and go
like, these guys, if this thing

2024
02:02:08.760 --> 02:02:12.359
funds, these guys will make this
thing or follow through or from totally fine

2025
02:02:12.439 --> 02:02:15.840
with just giving these people money.
Yeah, that's probably actually a smarter way

2026
02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:18.800
to go to it. It is, like is to be okay with losing

2027
02:02:18.840 --> 02:02:21.840
all of that money, but like
that's if something looks like a sure enough

2028
02:02:21.920 --> 02:02:25.159
thing that I can go like,
if this funds, the item will exist,

2029
02:02:25.720 --> 02:02:28.840
then that's when I feel all right
about about doing it. I mean,

2030
02:02:29.000 --> 02:02:30.920
yeah, you know, like that
email points out, I think the

2031
02:02:30.960 --> 02:02:33.880
gold rush is over and people have
generally gotten a lot more savvy about what

2032
02:02:33.920 --> 02:02:38.560
they're going to throw money at.
Also, what the fuck is with all

2033
02:02:38.600 --> 02:02:43.359
the goddamn jay novels or the visual
novels? Nothing on that one? With

2034
02:02:43.680 --> 02:02:46.000
the floodgates opened on Steam and it's
been a fucking nightmare ever since christ Just

2035
02:02:46.119 --> 02:02:49.439
today I started going through because every
week we'd we'd get together and we'd you

2036
02:02:49.520 --> 02:02:53.199
know, check out the Steam release
What the fuck's coming out? There?

2037
02:02:53.239 --> 02:02:57.000
Are like five movies and like the
upcoming release list, like documentaries and ships,

2038
02:02:57.079 --> 02:03:00.560
films, films, actual films for
about video games, or just no

2039
02:03:00.760 --> 02:03:02.640
random not at all. One was
like published by a Devolver Digital, so

2040
02:03:02.760 --> 02:03:05.760
that I can see that tie in, though they do have a film division

2041
02:03:05.760 --> 02:03:09.159
those guys, right, Okay,
but yeah, some of the other stuff,

2042
02:03:09.399 --> 02:03:12.000
I have no idea what the fuck
is doing up there. Yeah,

2043
02:03:12.319 --> 02:03:15.119
maybe they're just testing stuff out.
Steam's fucking weird, man, It is

2044
02:03:15.439 --> 02:03:19.520
like that. That's the like they
redesigned their pages trying to be better about

2045
02:03:19.560 --> 02:03:25.359
recommending the right games to people instead
of an unfiltered list of everything. Now

2046
02:03:25.439 --> 02:03:30.159
that they're unfiltered list of everything is
so full of crazy shita. But all

2047
02:03:30.199 --> 02:03:34.680
the soundtracks and stuff budgeting, I
feel like they still Yeah, they just

2048
02:03:34.800 --> 02:03:41.479
they have not solved the curation issue
of Steam with any of the systems they've

2049
02:03:41.479 --> 02:03:44.960
put into place. Great, yeah, like they've added curators, They've made

2050
02:03:44.960 --> 02:03:49.079
it so you can filter much more
aggressively filter the release lists. They try

2051
02:03:49.119 --> 02:03:51.640
to recommend games to you based on, you know, what you've bought.

2052
02:03:51.680 --> 02:03:55.600
What your friends are playing, What
what you've what curators you followed, like

2053
02:03:55.640 --> 02:03:59.319
they try to build those algorithms.
I just but for the longest time,

2054
02:03:59.359 --> 02:04:01.640
Steam was recom ending a game to
me that actually you couldn't buy anymore.

2055
02:04:02.079 --> 02:04:05.079
It was a free to play a
shooter called like Dizzle or some drizzle,

2056
02:04:05.119 --> 02:04:10.159
I don't know what the fuck.
And it was in the process of shutting

2057
02:04:10.199 --> 02:04:13.680
down, so I would click through
to it because it was like an arena.

2058
02:04:13.840 --> 02:04:15.479
It was like a first person shooters, like, oh, this,

2059
02:04:15.560 --> 02:04:16.560
actually it does look like something I
might want to at least look at.

2060
02:04:16.840 --> 02:04:19.840
And it was like, oh,
I can't even try it out because they

2061
02:04:19.880 --> 02:04:23.399
have removed it there in the process
of removing it and shutting it down off

2062
02:04:23.439 --> 02:04:26.920
the store and stuff like, I
can't actually play it. But every time

2063
02:04:26.960 --> 02:04:30.239
I logged into Steam, that was
the first item right there. It's wait

2064
02:04:30.319 --> 02:04:32.479
for Project D to start showing up
in those primo units, right, yeah,

2065
02:04:32.720 --> 02:04:36.840
yeah, all right. Next email
from Matt and Baltimore, who has

2066
02:04:36.920 --> 02:04:41.279
never seen a Fast and Furious movie
and wants to know which one to start

2067
02:04:41.359 --> 02:04:46.920
with. I mean, depends on
how dedicated you want to be to that

2068
02:04:46.960 --> 02:04:49.159
ship. Oh, you don't really
know until you get into it, right,

2069
02:04:49.319 --> 02:04:51.880
Yeah, I think you probably start
with the fourth or fifth one to

2070
02:04:51.960 --> 02:04:58.039
get a feel on the modern the
modern Fast and Furious. So are the

2071
02:04:58.079 --> 02:05:00.119
first three just like a novelty at
this point. Know, Tokyo Drift is

2072
02:05:00.199 --> 02:05:02.920
probably the best movie of the bunch, but it's such a different thing that

2073
02:05:03.039 --> 02:05:06.159
ties in only in you know,
It's like the things you get out of

2074
02:05:06.279 --> 02:05:10.960
knowing that movie in the later movies
are like wink and nods, stuff that

2075
02:05:10.960 --> 02:05:15.720
you're psyched about because you know it
and it's not necessarily well I haven't you

2076
02:05:15.720 --> 02:05:17.319
know, I'm the new one actually
will factor in a little more heavily.

2077
02:05:18.399 --> 02:05:21.640
Just for the record, Tokyo Drift
is set after all the other movies,

2078
02:05:21.720 --> 02:05:25.399
right, this will be the first
coming movie, will be the first one

2079
02:05:25.439 --> 02:05:30.039
that takes place after the events of
Tokyo Drift. You're the end of Fast

2080
02:05:30.199 --> 02:05:34.079
six catches up to the events of
Tokyo Drift. Is this your Star Wars

2081
02:05:34.119 --> 02:05:36.560
prequels moment of like, oh,
you should actually watch them in this order,

2082
02:05:36.640 --> 02:05:41.119
and like blah blah blah, No, no, the order upon which

2083
02:05:41.159 --> 02:05:44.560
they are released is the right order. So they actually they released they broke

2084
02:05:44.640 --> 02:05:46.920
these things up into episodes and they're
selling them on the PlayStation network. That's

2085
02:05:47.000 --> 02:05:50.439
half the reason bucks for the full
That's like the main reason I included this

2086
02:05:50.520 --> 02:05:53.880
email is because you found that the
other day and we were just going,

2087
02:05:53.960 --> 02:05:56.800
like, what's the crazy? So
in that thing they actually put Tokyo drift

2088
02:05:56.840 --> 02:05:58.880
at the end, which I you
know, I don't know how they're packaging

2089
02:05:58.920 --> 02:06:02.319
these episodes up and if they're doing
new narration or anything to contextualize this stuff,

2090
02:06:02.359 --> 02:06:05.720
or if they're just literally chopping the
movies into thirty minute chunks, which

2091
02:06:05.760 --> 02:06:09.439
is fucking weird. And to be
clearer, when you say episodes, they're

2092
02:06:09.520 --> 02:06:13.359
billing these as like TV episodes of
The Fast and Furious. Yeah, I

2093
02:06:13.439 --> 02:06:15.880
don't know who the fuck thought that
was a cool idea. So I like

2094
02:06:16.000 --> 02:06:19.079
that. You're you're you're downloading it
on a system that lets you pause things

2095
02:06:19.119 --> 02:06:23.560
and come back to them later,
like you don't need like breaking them up

2096
02:06:23.560 --> 02:06:26.000
into chunks like this. It actually
serves no one. It's not well,

2097
02:06:26.119 --> 02:06:28.880
it makes it unless they did stuff
to it, which I don't know.

2098
02:06:29.279 --> 02:06:31.079
Psychologically, it makes it a little
easier to consume like one a day or

2099
02:06:31.119 --> 02:06:34.159
whatever. I guess, yeah,
binge watching or whatever. Sure, sure,

2100
02:06:34.560 --> 02:06:36.880
I've never seen in those movies,
and that damn near went and bought

2101
02:06:36.920 --> 02:06:40.720
that thing just to like be the
guinea pig and try that out. Yeah,

2102
02:06:40.800 --> 02:06:44.760
and see it's actually so weird.
But yeah, I mean I think

2103
02:06:44.800 --> 02:06:48.079
that, you know, I would
watch them all. The four is a

2104
02:06:48.079 --> 02:06:50.640
little rough in spots, and I
don't think two is a good movie at

2105
02:06:50.680 --> 02:06:55.199
all. So if you had to
skip one of them, I would say,

2106
02:06:55.239 --> 02:06:58.000
skip too fast, too furious.
There are characters that are introduced there,

2107
02:06:58.039 --> 02:07:00.640
but whatever, you'll fucking pick it
up. Is that the one where

2108
02:07:00.640 --> 02:07:02.840
they lost most of the leads.
Yeah, yeah, it's like Paul Walker

2109
02:07:02.920 --> 02:07:08.560
and like Tyrese and so they had
eventually tied that kind of shard back into

2110
02:07:08.600 --> 02:07:12.479
the main ship once it became popular
again. Yeah. Yeah, when they

2111
02:07:12.479 --> 02:07:14.560
winto the fourth one, it was
like, okay, now all these people

2112
02:07:14.560 --> 02:07:15.840
are kind of together. Is the
fourth one the one that just like blew

2113
02:07:15.960 --> 02:07:19.840
up unexpectedly? I think so.
Yeah, it was like the biggest April

2114
02:07:19.920 --> 02:07:24.279
release in history or something like that. Might have been five, I don't

2115
02:07:24.319 --> 02:07:27.439
know, I don't know. And
then Fast five is where like I think

2116
02:07:27.479 --> 02:07:30.319
that's the first one with the rock
and then it's just fucking crazy from there.

2117
02:07:30.720 --> 02:07:34.760
I've seen stuff like that, like
it's sort of popular for a while,

2118
02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:40.239
yeah, and then like after people
have been you know, working on

2119
02:07:40.359 --> 02:07:43.399
getting it popular for a long time, it doesn't seem like it's going to

2120
02:07:43.560 --> 02:07:45.039
then it explodes. Yeah, all
of a sudden, it's just like,

2121
02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:47.000
oh, by the way, this
is like the biggest fucking film franchise in

2122
02:07:47.199 --> 02:07:53.439
films there who's been out there forever
and then finally gets big, Like vind

2123
02:07:53.560 --> 02:07:56.800
Slot there talking about how this is
gonna win Best Picture. I saw that.

2124
02:07:57.279 --> 02:08:01.279
I saw that quote. I don't
know, fucking side. I don't

2125
02:08:01.319 --> 02:08:03.199
know. I don't think I'll see
it like Opening Day or anything like that,

2126
02:08:03.399 --> 02:08:09.319
but I would like to see that
movie. Uh yeah, I think

2127
02:08:09.359 --> 02:08:13.920
that you could. You could probably
safely start with the fifth one and and

2128
02:08:13.039 --> 02:08:16.640
probably be okay. In in most
cases, there will be some characters and

2129
02:08:16.680 --> 02:08:20.439
stuff that their origin stories are not
properly laid out for you. They're the

2130
02:08:20.600 --> 02:08:26.359
events that touch off the new movie
might not be super clear if you have

2131
02:08:26.479 --> 02:08:31.279
not seen Tokyo Drift and you know, like five and five on, I

2132
02:08:31.359 --> 02:08:37.479
guess four on maybe maybe like just
watch them all, like some of them

2133
02:08:37.520 --> 02:08:39.199
will suck some parts of it,
Like the first two are actually kind of

2134
02:08:39.239 --> 02:08:41.520
hard to watch now, Like the
first Fast and the Furious movie is a

2135
02:08:41.680 --> 02:08:46.920
car is a movie about cars and
racing them, racing. Yeah, it's

2136
02:08:46.920 --> 02:08:48.800
so, you know, it's like
fucking Paul Walker is an undercover costs not

2137
02:08:48.920 --> 02:08:54.720
still about that, dude, There's
fucking bank heists, fucking rocket law,

2138
02:08:54.920 --> 02:08:58.600
Like there's I assumed that at some
point street racing it like it all came

2139
02:08:58.680 --> 02:09:01.880
always came back, always comes back
to cars moving fast. But in terms

2140
02:09:01.920 --> 02:09:05.399
of just like, yeah, they're
not infiltrating a fucking undercover ring of racers

2141
02:09:05.439 --> 02:09:09.640
anymore like they were in the first
one. It's you know, it's so

2142
02:09:09.800 --> 02:09:15.119
just a full on action movie in
which cars happened to occasionally factor into it.

2143
02:09:15.880 --> 02:09:18.560
But it's you know, they're just
a fucking ragtag group of people that

2144
02:09:18.960 --> 02:09:20.760
know their hearts are in the right
place and then sometimes they'll work outside the

2145
02:09:20.800 --> 02:09:24.199
law against their methods are questionable.
Yeah, but you know, at the

2146
02:09:24.319 --> 02:09:28.199
end of the day, God damn
it, they're Americans, all right.

2147
02:09:30.239 --> 02:09:33.680
Matt also wants to know if you
have heard that McDonald's is starting to test

2148
02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:37.439
all day of breakfast. Yeah,
yes, San Diego, You're thoughts it

2149
02:09:37.520 --> 02:09:39.760
there they should. That stuffs good. Yeah, absolutely all right. The

2150
02:09:39.800 --> 02:09:43.319
breakfast stuff is my favorite stuff that
they serve, So I'll lay some hash

2151
02:09:43.359 --> 02:09:48.239
browns any time of day. Yeah, that's fair. It's a valid perspective.

2152
02:09:48.920 --> 02:09:54.119
I don't remember the last time I
ate Adam McDonald's. I can tell

2153
02:09:54.119 --> 02:09:58.119
you it's been years and years.
I said that there's there's two of them

2154
02:09:58.159 --> 02:10:00.800
done at the corner of like second
of Mark. Yeah, like one on

2155
02:10:00.920 --> 02:10:03.319
either side. There are quite a
few McDonald's around. Yeah, I think

2156
02:10:03.479 --> 02:10:07.800
I'm pretty sure Japan was the last
time I had McDonald's. Really, if

2157
02:10:07.800 --> 02:10:09.119
that even counts. Oh you know
what, Yeah, I think me too.

2158
02:10:09.319 --> 02:10:18.079
Yeah. A different Matt writes in
did you guys find yourself not referring

2159
02:10:18.079 --> 02:10:22.600
to the people named Matt that you
know as Matt Kessler and Pascal and Pascal

2160
02:10:22.840 --> 02:10:26.319
and Rory, And even thinking back
to high school a game informer we had

2161
02:10:26.359 --> 02:10:31.399
like three or four mats and by
their last name, Like it just occurred

2162
02:10:31.399 --> 02:10:33.720
to me the other day. It's
like, even thinking back to childhood,

2163
02:10:33.760 --> 02:10:39.279
I've never called a Matt and Matt
I don't know why. Anyway, that's

2164
02:10:39.319 --> 02:10:43.279
a great name. That's that's the
fucking name. I don't know. Uh

2165
02:10:43.399 --> 02:10:48.760
this Matt writes in about speed running, specifically about the acting Verge Quick Look

2166
02:10:48.800 --> 02:10:52.159
when we were looking at that speed
run mode. Yeah, I don't know.

2167
02:10:52.239 --> 02:10:54.680
We actually looked at it, didn't
play it, but you were talking

2168
02:10:54.720 --> 02:10:58.079
about how it how it works.
Yeah. He wrote in to clarify some

2169
02:10:58.199 --> 02:11:01.520
stuff, because it sounds like he's
kind of in that scene and understood what

2170
02:11:01.560 --> 02:11:05.960
they were talking about there. Hey
duds have been a long time fan in

2171
02:11:05.039 --> 02:11:07.279
site, but a shame of ly
only became a subscriber last year. I

2172
02:11:07.319 --> 02:11:11.680
really appreciate the content you folks put
out, etc. Thank you. This

2173
02:11:11.800 --> 02:11:15.439
emails directed towards Jeff Brad. While
watching the Quick Look for Axiom Verge,

2174
02:11:15.520 --> 02:11:18.560
Jef and Brad were discussing the speed
run mode, which touts to remove quote

2175
02:11:18.600 --> 02:11:22.840
all elements of randomness. Yeah,
and the two seem to be somewhat unsure

2176
02:11:22.840 --> 02:11:24.439
of what that may entail. I
thought I could maybe help in this area.

2177
02:11:26.199 --> 02:11:28.760
In regards to speed running. Some
elements of randomness may include the following

2178
02:11:30.239 --> 02:11:33.439
enemy drops as you mentioned, the
starting location for enemies, the patrol in

2179
02:11:33.479 --> 02:11:37.199
a room, floating up and down, etc. The sequence in which bosses

2180
02:11:37.279 --> 02:11:41.960
use their available attacks or move throughout
the room, and the amount of damage

2181
02:11:43.000 --> 02:11:46.000
a weapon deals per shot if that
value is variable. I'm sure. Obviously

2182
02:11:46.079 --> 02:11:50.279
I don't represent axiom vergi in anyway, nor do I claim to have researched

2183
02:11:50.359 --> 02:11:54.000
it's speed run mode, but in
a general speed run scenario, these would

2184
02:11:54.000 --> 02:11:56.920
be some of the more common elements
of randomness that you might expect to find

2185
02:11:56.279 --> 02:12:00.960
altered for a speed run game mode. Okay, so I didn't even think

2186
02:12:00.960 --> 02:12:03.119
about that, Like like an enemy
that goes up and down, like whether

2187
02:12:03.159 --> 02:12:07.039
it's up or down when you come
onto the screen might have like a huge

2188
02:12:07.039 --> 02:12:09.359
effect on the route you take or
something. I guess I would always think

2189
02:12:09.359 --> 02:12:13.119
that that would be either the first
time you walk into a room, it's

2190
02:12:13.119 --> 02:12:15.760
going to be totally set where they're
going to start every time, no matter

2191
02:12:15.840 --> 02:12:18.159
what, or that everything is running
on a clock and it would be based

2192
02:12:18.239 --> 02:12:22.199
on how fast when you get in
that room. That's possible, you know,

2193
02:12:22.319 --> 02:12:26.520
some some games might handle different.
Maybe just maybe some gameslip flip a

2194
02:12:26.560 --> 02:12:28.920
coin for that stuff. I like
that they're actually adding an internal clock as

2195
02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:31.319
well. Yeah, so it'll just
start and stop whenever it needs to.

2196
02:12:31.520 --> 02:12:35.399
You don't have to worry about like
hitting some other button over on the side

2197
02:12:35.399 --> 02:12:37.640
of your desktop or so that that
was one area where this game beats the

2198
02:12:37.680 --> 02:12:41.560
pants off of Ori, because RI
has a three hour speed run achievement.

2199
02:12:41.600 --> 02:12:43.159
But I don't think there's anything in
the game to help you like time it,

2200
02:12:43.399 --> 02:12:46.880
or know how you're doing or any
of that stuff, whereas this game

2201
02:12:46.960 --> 02:12:54.119
facilitates it very directly, and that's
cool. Let's see. Mark from Edinburgh

2202
02:12:54.760 --> 02:13:00.479
wants to know about SSDs and consoles. Games have advanced any million different ways

2203
02:13:00.520 --> 02:13:03.800
over the past decade, but load
times still cripple otherwise great games. As

2204
02:13:03.800 --> 02:13:07.800
an avid PC gamer, I have
become accustomed to the more palatable load times

2205
02:13:07.800 --> 02:13:09.960
you can get with SSDs, so
much so in fact, that it's the

2206
02:13:11.039 --> 02:13:13.680
primary reasons stopping me from buying any
of the new consoles. What do you

2207
02:13:13.720 --> 02:13:18.680
think the odds are Sony and Microsoft
eventually releasing new versions of their consoles which

2208
02:13:18.720 --> 02:13:22.800
contain SSDs. It's gonna be expensive, it's gonna happen. But that's also

2209
02:13:22.920 --> 02:13:26.720
not the bottleneck. It's you know, it's it's the it's not stuff reading

2210
02:13:26.760 --> 02:13:30.359
off the drive, it's stuff like
reading into memory like that. It seems

2211
02:13:30.359 --> 02:13:33.039
like there are multiple bottlenecks in that
process, right, yep, that seems

2212
02:13:33.039 --> 02:13:35.279
to be the case. I mean, you know, like like Digital Foundry

2213
02:13:35.319 --> 02:13:39.760
has been really good about benchmarking sds
and PS fours and stuff because it can,

2214
02:13:39.000 --> 02:13:41.399
and I think people have put them
in Xbox ones as well. Yeah,

2215
02:13:41.760 --> 02:13:45.039
and like it. It does provide
a boost, but not like you

2216
02:13:45.119 --> 02:13:48.560
see on the PC. Like there's
like it's a few say it's seconds shaved

2217
02:13:48.600 --> 02:13:50.319
off here and there, but it's
not like for the premium you're paying for

2218
02:13:50.359 --> 02:13:52.960
the same amount of storage, like
not remotely worth it. Yeah, Like

2219
02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:56.520
the hybrid drive that I ended up
going with for the PS four ended up

2220
02:13:56.520 --> 02:13:58.560
seeming like the sweet spot for that
stuff, right, But that's not going

2221
02:13:58.600 --> 02:14:03.359
to make Burn's load times like palatable. It'll shave a couple of seconds off

2222
02:14:03.399 --> 02:14:05.520
and that's great, but yeah,
I saw they did a test with Baltibourn

2223
02:14:05.560 --> 02:14:07.399
specifically, and like you know,
in some cases they got eight or ten

2224
02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:11.520
seconds off, but that's still you're
still talking thirty plus seconds, Like it's

2225
02:14:11.560 --> 02:14:15.000
not it's not like it's not going
to replicate what you're getting on a PC.

2226
02:14:15.119 --> 02:14:16.279
It seemed like in some cases,
maybe even like on the Xbox One,

2227
02:14:16.319 --> 02:14:22.119
because you can just plug in external
storage. That actually the USB like

2228
02:14:22.199 --> 02:14:26.119
a USB three drive might have actually
been faster than replacing the internal drive than

2229
02:14:26.159 --> 02:14:28.520
an Xbox one. That's what some
of the benchmarks were showing. Yeah,

2230
02:14:28.520 --> 02:14:31.439
and also, yeah, SSDs are
just fucking expensive. Yeah for these say,

2231
02:14:31.560 --> 02:14:35.079
like the dollars to gigabytes ratio is
fucking horrible. There. At some

2232
02:14:35.159 --> 02:14:37.920
point it's like if you're if those
are the expenses that you're thinking about,

2233
02:14:37.960 --> 02:14:41.640
and like, yeah, just build
a PC. Yeah, well it's gonna

2234
02:14:41.640 --> 02:14:43.439
fully take advantage of that stuff.
Sounds like this guy's way ahead of you

2235
02:14:43.520 --> 02:14:48.760
on that. Yeah, so I
guess he's all good. Uh, how

2236
02:14:48.760 --> 02:14:52.520
about another email. I still put
games on my SSD most of the time.

2237
02:14:52.840 --> 02:14:54.560
Really, I couldn't tell you why
I have stopped for it, but

2238
02:14:54.760 --> 02:14:56.600
stopped doing it. It's just always
like I still have this weird thought of

2239
02:14:56.680 --> 02:15:00.680
like, oh, the SSD's limited
space, right, yeah, and kind

2240
02:15:00.720 --> 02:15:03.800
of I don't know. I've got
such a good download speeds at home where

2241
02:15:03.800 --> 02:15:05.079
I can kind of just flip back
and forth, if you know. Yeah,

2242
02:15:05.159 --> 02:15:07.880
so it's getting a little full,
but I've got one. Yeah,

2243
02:15:07.960 --> 02:15:13.520
SSD just dedicated to games. Really
it's great. But I put Dying Light

2244
02:15:13.720 --> 02:15:16.720
on the SSD. You when I
installed that, and that was that was

2245
02:15:16.800 --> 02:15:20.079
nice? Yeah? Yeah, I
can see that I have dcs not nice

2246
02:15:20.479 --> 02:15:24.760
text of a lot of that SSD. I'm sure, I'm sure. I

2247
02:15:24.840 --> 02:15:26.399
think. I think DODA is the
only thing I've got on on my SSD

2248
02:15:26.479 --> 02:15:30.640
at this point, which is fucking
huge. At this point, I checked

2249
02:15:30.640 --> 02:15:31.840
that thing. This thing is somewhere
between like twenty five and thirty gig.

2250
02:15:31.920 --> 02:15:35.560
Now what it's one map? You
got me, man, it's a fucking

2251
02:15:35.640 --> 02:15:39.359
trillion skin. Yeah, there's like
every every outfit, every every hat in

2252
02:15:39.399 --> 02:15:43.680
the entire game has to be in
the install. It's a lot of hats.

2253
02:15:43.720 --> 02:15:46.479
There's a lot of hats. Another
gig of hats coming your way,

2254
02:15:46.399 --> 02:15:50.439
unless another gig of gig of hats, I guess, oh god, please

2255
02:15:50.840 --> 02:15:56.159
all over my head. Uh,
unless it's cashing replays locally, and I

2256
02:15:56.199 --> 02:16:01.960
don't think it is. I think
it just hats. But anyway, here's

2257
02:16:01.119 --> 02:16:05.119
here's an interesting email from Zach.
Maybe you should uninstalled DODA and get that

2258
02:16:05.199 --> 02:16:09.800
space back. Nah, I think
all of the space you'd get back across

2259
02:16:09.840 --> 02:16:13.600
the board in International five is coming
up soon. I'm gonna be I gonna

2260
02:16:13.600 --> 02:16:18.840
be ready. I gotta be on
my game. Yeah, you can invite

2261
02:16:18.880 --> 02:16:22.840
it. Yep. Uh, you
gotta be on the game to wait in

2262
02:16:22.880 --> 02:16:26.359
line for the secret shop and drink
beers while people played doda. That's fair.

2263
02:16:26.800 --> 02:16:30.640
I heard they're setting up a lot
of the International five with like scenes

2264
02:16:30.720 --> 02:16:35.040
from International three. Oh see,
you'll have to watch that beforehand, you

2265
02:16:35.200 --> 02:16:39.239
see. Okay, you'll need to
I'll have to go back. Zach writes

2266
02:16:39.280 --> 02:16:43.399
in about something that has been bothering
him for quite some time. Maxima a

2267
02:16:43.520 --> 02:16:48.920
sliver. I know almost nothing about
how video games are made. All I

2268
02:16:48.040 --> 02:16:52.959
know is that something I saw on
that seventies show has been bothering me forever.

2269
02:16:52.959 --> 02:16:56.399
And then Earth, why is this
show so terrible? Can you enlighten

2270
02:16:56.479 --> 02:17:00.360
me on this? Uh? In
an early episode set in seventy six or

2271
02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:03.719
seventy seven, Kelso is playing Pong
and becomes bored by it, saying the

2272
02:17:03.760 --> 02:17:07.239
game is too easy. This leads
him and Red to make the game harder

2273
02:17:07.319 --> 02:17:11.520
by somehow messing with the electronics of
the game and somehow making the end game

2274
02:17:11.600 --> 02:17:16.479
paddles or bumpers smaller. Is this
even possible or is it just the writers

2275
02:17:16.520 --> 02:17:18.680
wanting to reference Pong as another seventies
mainstay. Without really knowing what they were

2276
02:17:18.719 --> 02:17:24.079
talking about, I wonder, so
sure, I mean, anything's possible,

2277
02:17:24.200 --> 02:17:26.200
right, I mean if you got
in there and fucked with it enough,

2278
02:17:26.319 --> 02:17:28.799
like, yes, you could make
a Pong that has shorter paddles, I

2279
02:17:28.840 --> 02:17:31.440
guess. So. I mean the
thing about Pong is that it's all analog

2280
02:17:31.559 --> 02:17:35.239
circuitry. It's not actual ROM chips
and stuff. So is it really things

2281
02:17:35.319 --> 02:17:39.040
that are There's no like micro controllers
at all, and so like when it

2282
02:17:39.079 --> 02:17:41.520
comes to like Mame or something like
that, all you can do assimulate the

2283
02:17:41.600 --> 02:17:43.920
circuits, right, and try to
simulate them as accurately as possible, So

2284
02:17:45.000 --> 02:17:48.840
it's a it's a simulation instead of
an emulation, right, And I have

2285
02:17:48.920 --> 02:17:54.360
to imagine that only extends to a
like a pretty small number of the earliest

2286
02:17:54.440 --> 02:17:56.520
video games, right, like even
getting into like White Pac Man and Space

2287
02:17:56.559 --> 02:18:01.680
Maders and stuff. Yeah, there's
actual programs code running on micro processors definitely

2288
02:18:03.399 --> 02:18:05.920
that you can't fiddle with by hand. But yeah, I mean, if

2289
02:18:05.959 --> 02:18:09.879
you were some electrical engineer and could
look at a pong board and know exactly

2290
02:18:09.959 --> 02:18:13.920
what the fuck you're looking at,
I'm sure eventually you could reshape it to

2291
02:18:15.200 --> 02:18:18.600
do what you want to do.
I'm sure Kelso is not that Red might

2292
02:18:18.639 --> 02:18:22.000
be, though you don't think so. No, I don't know. I

2293
02:18:22.079 --> 02:18:28.520
haven't watched enough of that show to
say can you fly? Kelso? They

2294
02:18:28.600 --> 02:18:33.440
did like an extended bit like a
they had him do like a bunch of

2295
02:18:33.479 --> 02:18:37.319
Claire Spotker lines. Yeah. Really, I think there was one episode of

2296
02:18:37.399 --> 02:18:39.799
that or was the show that he
was on, that was just like came

2297
02:18:39.799 --> 02:18:43.319
out in the backyard and just like
doing it and like not rev not acknowledged.

2298
02:18:43.360 --> 02:18:48.399
I'm pretty sure that exists. Wow, that's okay. If that seventy

2299
02:18:48.399 --> 02:18:54.040
show did that, then that's more
self awareness than I ever would have given

2300
02:18:54.040 --> 02:18:56.600
them credit for. I'm sure it
was a fluke. It's not the can

2301
02:18:56.680 --> 02:19:01.079
you fly specifically guess the no no
no, and then like him shooting my

2302
02:19:01.120 --> 02:19:03.600
gun. Yeah, okay, remember
I remember hearing about that, but never

2303
02:19:03.680 --> 02:19:05.920
actually saw it. Sure, so
maybe someone just made it up and now

2304
02:19:05.959 --> 02:19:09.280
I'm passing it along. Maybe pass
it on. Okay, I think you're

2305
02:19:09.360 --> 02:19:13.280
passing it on to a significant number
of people right now. Remember when kurtwood

2306
02:19:13.319 --> 02:19:16.719
Smith did the thing from RoboCop on
that seventy show that was cool. Everyone

2307
02:19:16.799 --> 02:19:20.680
listening to this podcast says, yeah, I remember that Cassie in Charlotte,

2308
02:19:20.719 --> 02:19:28.639
North Carolina write soon about Ori and
originality or regality. Yeah, she even

2309
02:19:28.840 --> 02:19:33.680
Ori I and all caps fantastic.
Let's see, she says. This week,

2310
02:19:33.760 --> 02:19:37.559
I played through ri in the Blind
Forest a couple of times and loved

2311
02:19:37.600 --> 02:19:39.520
it. While it's definitely one of
my favorite games of the fast few the

2312
02:19:39.559 --> 02:19:43.000
past few years, nothing in it
felt truly original. I appreciate that the

2313
02:19:43.040 --> 02:19:46.719
designers paid direct homage to their influences, not hiding the fact that this game

2314
02:19:46.799 --> 02:19:50.479
is heavily inspired by Metroid, Zelda, meat Boy, et cetera. This

2315
02:19:50.600 --> 02:19:56.040
got me thinking about original concepts in
modern games, or the lack thereof the

2316
02:19:56.120 --> 02:19:58.520
Last time I remember feeling like I
was seeing something truly new was the artistic

2317
02:19:58.559 --> 02:20:03.200
concept behind the angels in Bayonetta one. Finding a holy original game is near

2318
02:20:03.239 --> 02:20:07.360
impossible these days, but when was
the last time you, guys, felt

2319
02:20:07.399 --> 02:20:09.200
like you were experiencing something new in
a video game, be at gameplay,

2320
02:20:09.360 --> 02:20:18.120
art, story, music, or
whatever. Grohome felt kind of fresh to

2321
02:20:18.239 --> 02:20:22.000
me. The way that the buttons
map to the hands and the way you

2322
02:20:22.040 --> 02:20:24.159
pick stuff up like it's probably not
the first time that's ever been done in

2323
02:20:24.200 --> 02:20:28.639
a game. But yeah, there
was something tactile about the climbing and the

2324
02:20:28.680 --> 02:20:31.159
picking stuff up in that game that
tick and has the buttons mapped to the

2325
02:20:31.239 --> 02:20:33.840
hands, you know, I know, but you don't use it to manipulate

2326
02:20:33.920 --> 02:20:41.639
things. I manipulate Paul's face.
Sure, that's fair. That's the first

2327
02:20:41.680 --> 02:20:43.760
thing that springs to mind. Uh. I think there's some of the stuff

2328
02:20:43.760 --> 02:20:48.040
in Fezz, you know, yeah, kind of stands out. Yeah,

2329
02:20:48.760 --> 02:20:54.280
that's fair. It's kind of a
head scratching question. Octo Dad, I

2330
02:20:54.399 --> 02:21:00.280
know that. Yeah, controlling separate
limbs is nothing completely new. Yeah,

2331
02:21:00.280 --> 02:21:03.120
I don't know. I might say
that like the like the games, like

2332
02:21:03.200 --> 02:21:05.559
the check Out, how crazy this
is to control and that's part of the

2333
02:21:05.600 --> 02:21:09.239
fun. Like Surgeon Simulator taps into
some of that same type stuff. Yeah,

2334
02:21:09.440 --> 02:21:13.840
I guess. So I don't know
which came first. I actually don't

2335
02:21:15.559 --> 02:21:18.799
Doctor Dad might have come first in
that specific case. You look exceptionally pensive

2336
02:21:18.879 --> 02:21:22.200
over there. Yeah, I don't
know. Yeah, everything is a remix.

2337
02:21:22.280 --> 02:21:24.440
I was gonna say. I mean, the sperm is pretty much ponk.

2338
02:21:24.959 --> 02:21:28.719
Yeah. There you go back and
forth, bouncing severed heads back and

2339
02:21:28.719 --> 02:21:31.719
forth and you just use crafting to
make your paddle longer. In the case

2340
02:21:31.760 --> 02:21:33.799
of Mary though, man, they
just they just nailed yeah, hoping to

2341
02:21:33.879 --> 02:21:37.719
do and that's that's way more important. It's not a knock against that game.

2342
02:21:37.799 --> 02:21:39.520
It's like they just you know,
they're not doing it they original,

2343
02:21:39.559 --> 02:21:41.120
They're just executing what they're doing extremely
well. But I mean that's kind of

2344
02:21:41.360 --> 02:21:43.520
really hard, Yeah, for sure. But it isn't that the old adage

2345
02:21:43.520 --> 02:21:46.920
about stories, like there are no
new stories, you know, just like

2346
02:21:46.000 --> 02:21:50.120
new ways of telling the old stories. So I don't know, that's not

2347
02:21:50.200 --> 02:21:52.319
necessarily a bad thing. Yeah,
I think it's It's one of the things

2348
02:21:52.399 --> 02:21:58.600
that I as games get older and
the people that play them age alongside them

2349
02:21:58.680 --> 02:22:01.479
and stuff like are the people that
make them do as well? Like you

2350
02:22:01.559 --> 02:22:07.280
know, the the number of things
that are from older games that are continuing

2351
02:22:07.319 --> 02:22:09.200
to make their way into newer games, like just the way they're getting respaun

2352
02:22:11.239 --> 02:22:16.200
uh, whether it's overtly or covertly, Like it's yeah, it's a little

2353
02:22:16.239 --> 02:22:18.719
weird. It's a little it's like
in one In some ways, it's exciting.

2354
02:22:18.799 --> 02:22:22.200
In some ways it's a little disheartening. Yeah, I continue to be

2355
02:22:22.280 --> 02:22:28.479
impressed by metal Gear Okay, yeah, yeah, even though you're playing three.

2356
02:22:28.600 --> 02:22:31.760
Huh. I'm trying to think back
on my time with three right now.

2357
02:22:33.600 --> 02:22:37.280
That's a good time. It's been
a long time, dude. We

2358
02:22:37.280 --> 02:22:39.760
should have you played metal Gear Acid. That's definitely a fresh take on the

2359
02:22:39.920 --> 02:22:43.920
metal Gear. That's a card battler. Get Matt Rory in there. He

2360
02:22:45.079 --> 02:22:48.959
is metal Gear Acid. Man,
isn't it isn't Two isn't too a lot

2361
02:22:50.000 --> 02:22:52.000
better than one? The second one? Yeah? I think it is.

2362
02:22:52.360 --> 02:22:56.959
Yeah, I think it's two is
all crazy kneon cell shading. Yeah,

2363
02:22:56.079 --> 02:22:58.840
Like the art style of two is
a fucking nuts the first the first as

2364
02:23:00.040 --> 02:23:03.239
it just looks like a metal Gear
game. Asset two is like all psychedelic

2365
02:23:03.280 --> 02:23:11.200
and weird. Let's see Ethan from
Mississippi writes in and says, I was

2366
02:23:11.239 --> 02:23:15.159
wondering what you guys think about Sony
possibly buying from Software after the recent IT

2367
02:23:15.239 --> 02:23:18.200
hit Bloodborne from has developed Sony exclusives
already, and this purchase would be a

2368
02:23:18.239 --> 02:23:24.319
big future investment in expanding Japanese PS
four sales that guarantees are going to see

2369
02:23:24.319 --> 02:23:28.959
a shipload more Souls games. Yeah, I don't like that idea at all

2370
02:23:28.000 --> 02:23:31.760
that. No, I don't like
that. If I was Sony, maybe,

2371
02:23:31.959 --> 02:23:35.120
sure, I don't know. I
think that. You know, Sony

2372
02:23:35.239 --> 02:23:39.200
is already in position to do business
with from on an exclusive basis. They're

2373
02:23:39.319 --> 02:23:43.440
they're obviously capable of locking up those
exclusives. Yeah, it's like you don't

2374
02:23:43.479 --> 02:23:46.559
necessarily need to buy them to do
that. That's not Yeah, but also,

2375
02:23:46.760 --> 02:23:50.000
what are they gonna do put it
out an Xbox One? Yeah,

2376
02:23:50.680 --> 02:23:54.000
perish the thought. I don't know. You know, there's a lot of

2377
02:23:54.040 --> 02:23:56.440
fans of Souls out there on other
platforms, especially PC, like PC has

2378
02:23:56.520 --> 02:24:00.200
proven repeatedly to be the place to
play those games. Yeah, it's like

2379
02:24:00.239 --> 02:24:03.719
the kind of the process I keep
seeing out there over and over again in

2380
02:24:03.799 --> 02:24:07.719
comment threads around the internet, is
blood Borne coverage is posted, someone posts,

2381
02:24:07.760 --> 02:24:11.719
looks cool, I'll wait for the
PC version. Someone responds, it's

2382
02:24:11.760 --> 02:24:15.360
not. You realize it's not coming
there, right, and then people going

2383
02:24:15.479 --> 02:24:20.239
like what yeah, or somebody like
desperately citing that like Amazon France listing for

2384
02:24:20.280 --> 02:24:24.239
a PC version or whatever. Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah blood Borne

2385
02:24:24.280 --> 02:24:28.319
probably not maybe, Yeah, I
mean anything's highly yeah, sure, yes,

2386
02:24:28.440 --> 02:24:31.840
yes, anything could happen. It
doesn't seem like there's a reason for

2387
02:24:31.879 --> 02:24:37.000
Sony to put a Sony published game
onto the PC, very very specific example

2388
02:24:37.040 --> 02:24:39.479
of Demon Souls already existing. You
know, yeah, I feel like that

2389
02:24:39.760 --> 02:24:46.399
that specific example repeating is pretty likely
here. I don't think. I don't

2390
02:24:46.440 --> 02:24:50.239
think like if Sony has enough money
to throw around to start buying developers,

2391
02:24:50.280 --> 02:24:52.520
I don't necessarily think from is the
one. No, yeah, probably not.

2392
02:24:54.360 --> 02:24:58.200
They make great games that are very
popular with certain people, but they're

2393
02:24:58.239 --> 02:25:01.760
not like huge system sellers. Like
a Souls game is probably never gonna be

2394
02:25:01.799 --> 02:25:05.639
a ten or fifteen million unit seller. Yeah, I wouldn't think so,

2395
02:25:05.959 --> 02:25:09.200
but you know, stranger things have
happened. Yeah, maybe they own Naughty

2396
02:25:09.280 --> 02:25:16.000
Dog, right, yes, yeah, for quite a while since pret mid

2397
02:25:16.120 --> 02:25:18.479
PS two. I mean they played
Way of the Warrior and said, man,

2398
02:25:18.559 --> 02:25:22.120
these guys. One of these days
we got to get these guys in

2399
02:25:22.239 --> 02:25:26.200
here and they got something. Was
it mid PS two era? Would they

2400
02:25:26.239 --> 02:25:28.799
bought them? I don't remember.
Maybe it was even before Jack and Daxter.

2401
02:25:28.879 --> 02:25:35.600
I forget, who knows? Uh
uh, Sorry, my simple note

2402
02:25:35.600 --> 02:25:41.920
app is really freaking out Jesse and
South Bend Ben to Indiana writing in about

2403
02:25:41.920 --> 02:25:48.280
that Zelda for WEU you know.
I'm sorry. Uh he he was floating

2404
02:25:48.319 --> 02:25:52.040
the exact scenario I mentioned earlier of
the game coming out on the n X.

2405
02:25:52.879 --> 02:25:56.680
Oh yeah, and I already already
covered that ground. Yep, Sorry,

2406
02:25:56.760 --> 02:26:03.000
Jesse. At least I said your
name. Uh. Let's see Jeremy

2407
02:26:03.040 --> 02:26:07.600
from New York. As a burning
question, what was on Vinnie's head?

2408
02:26:07.680 --> 02:26:11.559
Wait? Wait, Jason, this
was everything. I think this was just

2409
02:26:11.840 --> 02:26:16.719
before your time here. I have
a question which has plagued me for the

2410
02:26:16.840 --> 02:26:20.200
last year, and you asked for
more emails, Brad, so you deserve

2411
02:26:20.280 --> 02:26:22.239
to have to read this now.
Yes, I made my own bed.

2412
02:26:22.280 --> 02:26:26.719
During a mailbag just before last year's
E three, Vinnie opened a package off

2413
02:26:26.760 --> 02:26:30.799
screen and put whatever was inside onto
his head. People made remarks about it

2414
02:26:30.879 --> 02:26:33.559
being an HR issue and that the
viewers were not allowed to know what it

2415
02:26:33.680 --> 02:26:35.399
was yet. Well, the time
has come. The moment of triumph is

2416
02:26:35.479 --> 02:26:39.440
near, and I can taste sweet
victory. So please, if there is

2417
02:26:39.479 --> 02:26:43.120
any bit of humanity left in this
organization, please us with an answer.

2418
02:26:43.760 --> 02:26:46.159
What was in that box? It
was the E three stands. Yeah,

2419
02:26:46.159 --> 02:26:50.000
I was just gonna say, I
thought I remember watching that actually before.

2420
02:26:50.040 --> 02:26:54.200
I thought that was fairly apparent in
retrospect, was Vinny here when we got

2421
02:26:54.239 --> 02:26:58.520
the E three stand Yes, I
believe specifically I remember that mail day.

2422
02:26:58.799 --> 02:27:01.319
Remember were you here? I was
not here. Okay, you just saw

2423
02:27:01.399 --> 02:27:03.760
it, Okay, believe it or
not. I was a fan of the

2424
02:27:03.760 --> 02:27:07.399
site before. Okay, Okay,
I specifically remember him dangling the junk of

2425
02:27:07.440 --> 02:27:11.559
Michaelangelo's David over his head or something. Yeah, I think that's when I

2426
02:27:11.639 --> 02:27:15.159
meant when whoever was? I thought
it was me? But whoever made that

2427
02:27:15.200 --> 02:27:20.360
comment about hr I think it was
the the sculptured dong in the shot,

2428
02:27:20.799 --> 02:27:22.799
all right, I was referring to. It was the E three standis we

2429
02:27:22.920 --> 02:27:26.719
had to say for those ye for
the E three thing. Oh you know.

2430
02:27:26.760 --> 02:27:31.479
The other reason to put this in
here was see if there was anything

2431
02:27:31.120 --> 02:27:35.200
you had to say about E three. Yet, as far as our plans

2432
02:27:35.280 --> 02:27:39.040
there, it's the trade show that
happens every year. We intend to go

2433
02:27:39.280 --> 02:27:45.920
covery and we have a meeting this
week to look at potential locations. Yeah,

2434
02:27:46.319 --> 02:27:48.000
yes, yes, the Standy committee
will be reconvening. I'm sure we

2435
02:27:48.120 --> 02:27:50.879
have. We have a goal this
year to get a room that is less

2436
02:27:52.000 --> 02:27:54.719
roomy from the audio perspective. Yeah, less echo, a little less echo.

2437
02:27:56.079 --> 02:27:58.399
Yeah. All the air conditioning was
so good in that room though.

2438
02:27:58.159 --> 02:28:01.680
Yeah, So we're I mean,
we're we're looking at areas that should hopefully

2439
02:28:03.079 --> 02:28:07.079
meet that need as well. I
hope. It's just those high ceilings make

2440
02:28:07.120 --> 02:28:11.360
it very comfortable. Sure, and
you know, like the other locations we're

2441
02:28:11.399 --> 02:28:13.799
looking at were less likely to be
invited to be in a rap video.

2442
02:28:13.959 --> 02:28:18.559
Yeah. I was going to mention
there was that's not forget. But yeah,

2443
02:28:18.719 --> 02:28:22.200
we're you know, we're gonna talk
over the press conferences again that people

2444
02:28:22.239 --> 02:28:26.120
seem to like that last year.
I'm gonna do that. Yeah that was

2445
02:28:26.200 --> 02:28:28.879
fun. Yeah, I was,
I was. I had some misgivings going

2446
02:28:28.920 --> 02:28:31.200
in. I was like, man, we haven't we haven't not gone to

2447
02:28:31.239 --> 02:28:33.799
press conferences in years and years,
Like it feels like we're skipping out on

2448
02:28:33.879 --> 02:28:37.200
something important, but it's so much
nicer. But then it turned out like,

2449
02:28:37.280 --> 02:28:41.200
hey, instead of running from venue
to venue for twelve straight hours,

2450
02:28:41.479 --> 02:28:45.159
yeah, like you guys haven't even
worse than we do. Like what if

2451
02:28:45.200 --> 02:28:48.639
we sit in this room instead with
climb and control and a meal like a

2452
02:28:48.719 --> 02:28:50.920
lunch brought in, you guys have
the right Yeah, and yeah, and

2453
02:28:52.040 --> 02:28:54.559
also generate hours and hours of content
as opposed to getting not much of anything

2454
02:28:56.200 --> 02:28:58.239
out of being there. It was
the right move all around. Yeah,

2455
02:28:58.239 --> 02:29:03.079
I think that, you know.
The thing was there is a certain amount

2456
02:29:03.079 --> 02:29:07.879
of like face time type of stuff
of seeing people from companies and shaking their

2457
02:29:07.879 --> 02:29:11.200
hand and going like hello, yes
we are here. Yeah, just representing

2458
02:29:11.280 --> 02:29:15.079
the audience. Yeah, yeah,
being there, you know. But also

2459
02:29:15.159 --> 02:29:18.239
like those press conferences, no one
has time to fucking sit around and talk.

2460
02:29:18.440 --> 02:29:20.000
Yeah, Like you know, you
might catch somebody on the way out

2461
02:29:20.280 --> 02:29:24.959
and go like, hey, nice
press conference, or they you you didn't

2462
02:29:24.000 --> 02:29:28.079
fall over on stage, good going, dude, right or whatever, But

2463
02:29:28.239 --> 02:29:31.440
why did you have laying on there
that? Yeah? Yeah, seriously got

2464
02:29:31.520 --> 02:29:37.040
a brand to represent here. Coleman
from Austin, Texas says that he has

2465
02:29:37.120 --> 02:29:41.120
lost his faith in humanity and here's
why. After watching the quick look you

2466
02:29:41.159 --> 02:29:43.479
guys did on Blood Born, I
was compelled to try the game out.

2467
02:29:43.600 --> 02:29:46.920
I didn't want to make the full
commitment to a purchase, so I decided

2468
02:29:46.959 --> 02:29:50.479
to rent it from a local red
box. After reserving the only copy available

2469
02:29:50.479 --> 02:29:52.719
in town, fifteen minutes from my
apartment, I made the lengthy drive to

2470
02:29:52.760 --> 02:29:54.600
pick up the game after a long
week of finals, I knew that sitting

2471
02:29:54.600 --> 02:29:58.840
down with my PlayStation and a copy
of Blood Born could relieve some stress.

2472
02:29:58.479 --> 02:30:03.360
That's right, relieve stress with a
from software title. After picking the game

2473
02:30:03.399 --> 02:30:05.040
up and making the drive back home, I plopped down into my chair and

2474
02:30:05.159 --> 02:30:09.440
opened the disc case. What I
found was not a copy of the game,

2475
02:30:09.559 --> 02:30:15.600
but instead a crudely photocopied black and
white image of the disk cut out

2476
02:30:15.639 --> 02:30:18.479
of a piece of paper. Redbox
was more than happy to issue a refund

2477
02:30:18.520 --> 02:30:22.639
and offer an additional rental on the
house, but I can't help but feel

2478
02:30:22.719 --> 02:30:26.520
it's like someone got away with theft. I just wanted to relay the story

2479
02:30:26.520 --> 02:30:28.680
to you guys and hopes that the
thief is listening to this right now and

2480
02:30:28.799 --> 02:30:31.840
feels guilty about being a tool.
I mostly put this email in because I

2481
02:30:31.879 --> 02:30:35.520
will post the photo that he enclosed
as the first comment on this podcast.

2482
02:30:37.639 --> 02:30:43.040
I disagree with his assessment that they
photocopied it crudely, like they photocopied it

2483
02:30:43.079 --> 02:30:46.879
and meticulously cut it into a perfect
disc shaped circle and cut out the little

2484
02:30:46.920 --> 02:30:52.000
hole in the middle. Why and
put it in the case? Barcodes on

2485
02:30:52.319 --> 02:30:54.159
the disc and they can return it
that way. Yeah. Yeah, so

2486
02:30:54.239 --> 02:31:00.159
they probably stole a credit card or
you'd like to thank they were, Well,

2487
02:31:00.200 --> 02:31:01.360
no, they could, they could
even well I'm sure that they could

2488
02:31:01.399 --> 02:31:07.280
use their own stuff. But then
you would know that the previous person who

2489
02:31:07.319 --> 02:31:11.120
read it is probably your culp because
isn't it isn't I've never used red box,

2490
02:31:11.159 --> 02:31:13.360
but it isn't the process just like
if the game never comes back,

2491
02:31:13.399 --> 02:31:15.479
they just charge you for the game. Yes, so if they've got your

2492
02:31:15.520 --> 02:31:16.959
credit card number, you're not getting
away with shit. Yeah, I suppose,

2493
02:31:18.360 --> 02:31:20.399
and you wouldn't ever bring it back
with an empty sleeve in it.

2494
02:31:20.479 --> 02:31:22.479
You would just eat the cost and
go, well, fuck it. So

2495
02:31:22.559 --> 02:31:24.799
I didn't know. I didn't realize
the barcode part, like, is that

2496
02:31:24.879 --> 02:31:28.920
how they Yeah, the machine scans
the barcode on the disc. I seem

2497
02:31:28.959 --> 02:31:31.719
so I haven't done it. Okay, well, okay, you haven't stolen

2498
02:31:31.719 --> 02:31:35.040
anything. Yeah, okay, this
is less absurd and more like conniving now

2499
02:31:35.360 --> 02:31:39.799
ye knowing that this was actually like
used to defeat the machine. Yeah,

2500
02:31:39.799 --> 02:31:41.920
but one would assume that this is
like a stolen credit card. Say where

2501
02:31:41.920 --> 02:31:46.600
you're you're pren card and doing it
that way. I just I just laughed

2502
02:31:46.600 --> 02:31:50.879
out loud at this photocopy of the
blood Borne Blu ray disc, like it's

2503
02:31:50.920 --> 02:31:54.680
like very carefully cut into this perfect
disc check too. It's really ridiculous.

2504
02:31:54.479 --> 02:32:01.360
Yeah, I wonder if they don't
like charging the full price the game like

2505
02:32:01.399 --> 02:32:03.760
a discount because it's like used or
whatever. I bet they charge you.

2506
02:32:05.040 --> 02:32:07.200
I BET's one of those things where
they will happily charge you the like daily

2507
02:32:07.319 --> 02:32:11.399
fee or whatever for some chunk of
time and then eventually you go eventually make

2508
02:32:11.399 --> 02:32:13.000
it all right, now you have
to pay an eighty five dollars restocking fee

2509
02:32:13.079 --> 02:32:18.520
or you know, yeah, criminals, It's always one step ahead, Yeah,

2510
02:32:20.799 --> 02:32:24.280
skimmers man, Yeah, I guess
so. Dan from Rhode Island has

2511
02:32:26.360 --> 02:32:31.159
a two part question. One,
what do you think the chances are Sony

2512
02:32:31.280 --> 02:32:35.440
making a successor to the Vida too? Regardless of the chances of it happening,

2513
02:32:35.479 --> 02:32:37.799
what do you think Sony could do
to make it a success? Is

2514
02:32:37.879 --> 02:32:43.399
that even possible? I don't know. I think chances are pretty low.

2515
02:32:43.600 --> 02:32:46.079
Yeah. I love the ship out
of my Vida. Yeah, it's like

2516
02:32:46.120 --> 02:32:48.559
a second device, you know.
I mean I don't go to it first

2517
02:32:48.639 --> 02:32:52.920
for games, but you know,
it's a good companion thing too. Yeah,

2518
02:32:52.639 --> 02:32:56.040
but I think they like they really
rallied after that thing had been out

2519
02:32:56.040 --> 02:32:58.760
a year or two and found another
good use for it, because it was

2520
02:32:58.760 --> 02:33:01.360
clear when it came out that they
just expected to keep making games for it,

2521
02:33:01.440 --> 02:33:05.399
like they did the PSP and then
that didn't work out so well.

2522
02:33:05.040 --> 02:33:09.440
But but the crossby cross play and
and like remote play and stuff like that.

2523
02:33:09.920 --> 02:33:13.120
Yeah, that's all overally cool.
Yeah, I mean like it works

2524
02:33:13.159 --> 02:33:15.680
well. I think if they put
out another console and want to meet those

2525
02:33:15.719 --> 02:33:20.040
needs at some point, a tablet
with a controller tethered to it serves a

2526
02:33:20.120 --> 02:33:24.520
lot of the remote play absolutely needs. Yeah, Like I've seen, you

2527
02:33:24.559 --> 02:33:28.520
know, people on my Twitter feed
will post photos of like experiah Yeah.

2528
02:33:28.760 --> 02:33:31.840
Yeah, it's just like the remote
plays for a second. Right, It's

2529
02:33:31.840 --> 02:33:33.719
just like, oh, I'm watching
Walking Dead or whatever on TV while I

2530
02:33:33.799 --> 02:33:37.879
play this on PS four and it's
a picture of not of a Vita,

2531
02:33:37.000 --> 02:33:41.000
but of their tablet and APS four
controller. Yeah, and I think that's

2532
02:33:41.040 --> 02:33:45.680
what they're specific tablet. It's not
it's not a oh okay, but I

2533
02:33:45.760 --> 02:33:48.680
turned it on my Vida that that
new like sixty frames for a second.

2534
02:33:48.760 --> 02:33:50.879
Yeah, yeah, is that good? Over the home network yeah, wow,

2535
02:33:50.920 --> 02:33:54.840
really yeah, I was super impressed. So I haven't verified this personally,

2536
02:33:54.920 --> 02:33:58.600
but it seems to add up.
I saw a thread on Neo gaff

2537
02:33:58.719 --> 02:34:01.159
yesterday about the Wi Fi on the
Vita. You know, there's that setting

2538
02:34:01.200 --> 02:34:05.799
in the Vita settings. It's it's
phrased something like, uh like use Wi

2539
02:34:05.879 --> 02:34:09.760
Fi in low power mode or something
like that. Yeah, Like it makes

2540
02:34:09.799 --> 02:34:13.559
it sound like what you're turning on
is the ability to continue using the Wi

2541
02:34:13.600 --> 02:34:16.479
Fi while the Vitas like in sleep
or whatever, or like background downloads.

2542
02:34:16.600 --> 02:34:20.079
Yeah, Okay, what that option
actually means is that you're putting the Wi

2543
02:34:20.159 --> 02:34:24.760
Fi chip into a low power transmit
mode to save battery. Right, So

2544
02:34:24.879 --> 02:34:28.799
you're actually getting shittier for Wi Fi
by turning on this option that you think

2545
02:34:28.879 --> 02:34:33.440
is supposed to enhance your Wifie.
So the reason this came to light was

2546
02:34:33.479 --> 02:34:35.200
because of the sixty frames per second
that came about in the in the new

2547
02:34:35.239 --> 02:34:39.479
firmware. I've always gotten really really
bad one. Yeah yeah, I've always

2548
02:34:39.520 --> 02:34:43.360
had totally uh. And this whole
thread was just full of people going like,

2549
02:34:43.440 --> 02:34:46.680
yeah, fucking of course that's what
I thought that meant, because everybody

2550
02:34:46.760 --> 02:34:50.079
thinks that. So yeah, apparently
turning that off actually will help with the

2551
02:34:50.159 --> 02:34:56.840
sixty frames where remote play and such
like that. That new firmware is pretty

2552
02:34:56.840 --> 02:35:01.399
good. It seems like that I
was using the suspended Zoom every time I

2553
02:35:01.479 --> 02:35:03.959
fucking turned the PS four on.
Now those like light bulb like, hey

2554
02:35:05.040 --> 02:35:07.040
man, you can find friends on
Facebook. Hey did you know you have

2555
02:35:07.120 --> 02:35:09.719
power options? Oh, you just
go in and mark all those market and

2556
02:35:09.799 --> 02:35:13.319
go to notifications and market like.
I've done that with the one at my

2557
02:35:13.399 --> 02:35:16.559
desk like three times now, and
they came in waves for me. You're

2558
02:35:16.639 --> 02:35:18.840
right, there were a bunch of
them and they came in like three waves,

2559
02:35:18.840 --> 02:35:20.239
so I had to wait for them
all and then do that. That

2560
02:35:20.680 --> 02:35:24.440
went away. But the let's suspend
zoom in my like you know, week

2561
02:35:24.559 --> 02:35:28.520
long experience so far is better than
on the Xbox. It works really fucking

2562
02:35:28.559 --> 02:35:31.639
well. I don't like where they
moved. I don't like them moving the

2563
02:35:31.719 --> 02:35:33.840
store icon. Yeah, they shouldn't
have moved the store, shoving the store

2564
02:35:33.959 --> 02:35:37.399
down right in the middle of your
row of games, and they also like

2565
02:35:37.479 --> 02:35:39.639
and then today with the Spotify stuff
launching, they forced the music thing to

2566
02:35:39.680 --> 02:35:43.559
the front of everyone's library. That
stuff's terrible. I just I don't think

2567
02:35:43.559 --> 02:35:46.760
they should fuck with that stuff.
I think that's a really shitty yu.

2568
02:35:48.399 --> 02:35:50.879
I have the little TV thing that
drops down to like Netflix and Amazon and

2569
02:35:50.920 --> 02:35:54.920
stuff. That thing, that thing
floats to the top of my recent games

2570
02:35:54.000 --> 02:35:58.520
like every couple weeks without even without
and without me ever using. I think

2571
02:35:58.559 --> 02:36:01.440
that that stuff specifically is fucking terrible. So it was one of the things

2572
02:36:01.760 --> 02:36:07.239
like I actually that's how I watched
the Hall of Fame ceremony for wrestling over

2573
02:36:07.280 --> 02:36:11.680
the weekend, was on the PS
four and you just to remember, like

2574
02:36:11.680 --> 02:36:13.440
you, I have to go in
there, move past all these bullshit things

2575
02:36:13.520 --> 02:36:16.920
you haven't downloaded, and get down
to the one you did and launch it.

2576
02:36:18.040 --> 02:36:20.280
Like the idea that like that's all
right there being promoted, it's just

2577
02:36:20.399 --> 02:36:24.360
fucking lame. Yeah, it's a
lame way to present that. That stuff

2578
02:36:24.399 --> 02:36:30.079
is absolutely not ideal. But Suspender
Zoom really good. Bloodborne takes a long

2579
02:36:30.440 --> 02:36:33.719
time to get into from a cold
boot so good. It's like less than

2580
02:36:33.760 --> 02:36:37.600
thirty seconds for turning on the controller
to literally being running around in the game.

2581
02:36:37.639 --> 02:36:39.200
It's pretty awesome. I might try
that. I'm afraid to, like

2582
02:36:39.319 --> 02:36:45.760
lease my savors. It's worked absolutely
without a problem. For me all weekend.

2583
02:36:48.840 --> 02:36:54.639
Next email comes from this person did
not give their name. I'm sorry,

2584
02:36:54.879 --> 02:36:58.920
it's Nick. It's in their email
address. Okay, take that Nick.

2585
02:37:00.760 --> 02:37:03.760
What Saints Row can do next?
It's really so simple. I like

2586
02:37:03.879 --> 02:37:07.520
that. We don't get these often. It's just like once a month still,

2587
02:37:07.719 --> 02:37:09.319
somebody is sending in their idea for
what Saints Row should do next.

2588
02:37:11.399 --> 02:37:13.159
If the game picks up from the
illustrated credits of Saints Are afore, the

2589
02:37:13.200 --> 02:37:16.559
Saints are jumping around through time,
just fucking with things for fun and profit.

2590
02:37:18.280 --> 02:37:20.840
But as expected, they can't be
trusted with the power in their hands,

2591
02:37:20.840 --> 02:37:24.840
and they abuse their time travel device
and ultimately break time. Not time

2592
02:37:24.920 --> 02:37:28.959
paradox type stuff, but a singularity
collapse style event that causes all time to

2593
02:37:30.040 --> 02:37:33.079
try to exist in their current moment. So instead of a city map split

2594
02:37:33.159 --> 02:37:37.799
into the standard industrial, shopping and
suburbs districts, you get a city where

2595
02:37:37.879 --> 02:37:41.840
uptown is medieval castles and dragons,
downtown is future neon lights, and across

2596
02:37:41.879 --> 02:37:46.559
the bridge is Ato era Japan.
Then the Big Bat is al Capone,

2597
02:37:46.559 --> 02:37:48.440
who comes in to take the city
for himself, and the Saints get to

2598
02:37:48.479 --> 02:37:54.680
face off against the legendary nineteen twenties
gangster ideal. Also, Capone is probably

2599
02:37:54.719 --> 02:37:58.479
some sort of literal hulking monster,
and actually always had been, but history

2600
02:37:58.600 --> 02:38:01.840
just downplayed that part. That's true. Also, they can probably squeeze in

2601
02:38:01.879 --> 02:38:05.520
a labor dispute joke where the boss
comes in and goes, hey, where's

2602
02:38:05.559 --> 02:38:09.959
Jimmy and everybody just shrugs it off, or fest two on the nose.

2603
02:38:09.040 --> 02:38:13.000
The story could focus on how the
city has been flooded with the escaped subjects

2604
02:38:13.399 --> 02:38:16.239
from some offshore genetic manipulation experiments.
There rampage a ground, the city being

2605
02:38:16.319 --> 02:38:20.799
everything from giant rats to fire spewing
dragons to sentient pile of eggs somewhere around

2606
02:38:20.840 --> 02:38:24.840
one hundred and fifty at all.
But rather than just getting them down,

2607
02:38:24.920 --> 02:38:28.600
Kinsey or someone comes up with a
way to capture these creatures and handled spherical

2608
02:38:28.639 --> 02:38:31.040
devices. So the game is the
boss running around the city capturing these creatures

2609
02:38:31.399 --> 02:38:35.280
and calling them out to fight other
creatures. And it's Pokemon. It's just

2610
02:38:35.399 --> 02:38:37.959
Pokemon. They should just fucking mate
sakes, throw a Pokemon parody. It's

2611
02:38:37.959 --> 02:38:43.159
Pokemon with a button dedicated to kicking
Pokemon in the dick. I can't know

2612
02:38:43.200 --> 02:38:48.120
why I can't. I can't find
fault with that. It seems like a

2613
02:38:48.280 --> 02:38:52.799
reasonable set of ideas, the one
that I came to relatively recently. I

2614
02:38:52.959 --> 02:39:01.680
think, what is the time travel
results in multiple versions of the Saints existing,

2615
02:39:01.000 --> 02:39:05.600
and that you are. You are
a different gang that has to go

2616
02:39:05.760 --> 02:39:09.079
out and fight these Saints. So
we're a different set of Saints, Saints

2617
02:39:09.079 --> 02:39:13.840
against themselves. Yeah, and so
you are. So it's like a rebooted

2618
02:39:13.000 --> 02:39:16.719
Saints posse. So you get a
reboot of Saints Row in which the bad

2619
02:39:16.760 --> 02:39:22.520
guys are the guys from pre reboot
sat guys you played. Yeah already interesting

2620
02:39:22.000 --> 02:39:24.840
Okay, Uh, they did a
little bit of that and ford didn't they

2621
02:39:26.399 --> 02:39:30.239
like you were like going back and
fighting like Dreadlock. Yeah kind of thing.

2622
02:39:30.479 --> 02:39:33.680
There was. There was some stuff
like that, sure, way more

2623
02:39:33.760 --> 02:39:37.559
dramatic though, to the point where
like, let's just full on restyling and

2624
02:39:37.639 --> 02:39:45.840
everything, styling of every single character. Yeah, yeah, okay, and

2625
02:39:45.920 --> 02:39:48.440
make it totally super serious and then
you're just like murdering these fucking goofballs,

2626
02:39:48.520 --> 02:39:54.000
Like what the fuck is wrong with
people? Sure? I wonder how close

2627
02:39:54.040 --> 02:39:58.719
we are That probably weighs off.
They just shipped got out of the Hill,

2628
02:39:58.200 --> 02:40:03.680
got out of Hill? Or?
Brian writes sound about bland video game

2629
02:40:03.719 --> 02:40:07.639
covers. When will we see the
end of the bland video game cover streak?

2630
02:40:07.719 --> 02:40:09.559
Look at Destiny, Dark Souls too, Bloodborne, BioShock, Infinite,

2631
02:40:11.000 --> 02:40:13.520
DMC, Devin mccry, and many
others. Always a dude with a weapon

2632
02:40:13.639 --> 02:40:18.120
looking down. I'm tired of it. When can we kill this trend and

2633
02:40:18.159 --> 02:40:22.760
make game game cover art exciting again? It's because when those games, when

2634
02:40:22.799 --> 02:40:28.479
you see those games games with box
art, are the games that are on

2635
02:40:28.719 --> 02:40:35.239
shelves physically in stores, Yeah,
and those are geared toward the masses buying

2636
02:40:35.280 --> 02:40:39.600
them. So you're saying the masses
have no taste. I say they have

2637
02:40:39.760 --> 02:40:43.159
an average of all of their tastes, okay, And that's why you see

2638
02:40:43.559 --> 02:40:48.079
the most common denominator of box like
some fucking designed by committee Like well,

2639
02:40:48.120 --> 02:40:52.639
we find people respond to a solo
individual if they found they found the aggregate,

2640
02:40:54.440 --> 02:40:58.440
the generic aggregate of the entire taste
and everyone in the entire market.

2641
02:40:58.079 --> 02:41:01.479
I'm sure there is a mass amount
of market research and branding bullshit that goes

2642
02:41:01.559 --> 02:41:05.760
into like these, Yes, exactly, like the same stuff that magazine covers

2643
02:41:05.799 --> 02:41:07.840
probably go through. Yeah, exactly
what you posters. Yeah, they'll steal

2644
02:41:07.879 --> 02:41:11.440
funts, other schemes and everything that
that doesn't mean that you can't find that

2645
02:41:11.479 --> 02:41:16.600
situation deplorable. Oh, I have
a soft spot for a really nice,

2646
02:41:16.760 --> 02:41:18.159
elegant box art and there's not much
of it out. Yeah, you're right,

2647
02:41:18.200 --> 02:41:20.559
but at some point, like you
need to extend that out where belongs

2648
02:41:20.639 --> 02:41:26.399
and find all of society deplorable.
We all now you're talking. We should

2649
02:41:26.399 --> 02:41:31.239
talk later, Yeah, and how
we can withdraw from it. Yeah,

2650
02:41:31.280 --> 02:41:33.000
I'm the guy that went out there
and found a super high rise scan of

2651
02:41:33.040 --> 02:41:35.840
the eco box art back in the
day and printed it out at my friends

2652
02:41:37.440 --> 02:41:39.840
he worked at the Japanese aren't he
worked at like a print shopping. Yeah,

2653
02:41:39.959 --> 02:41:45.440
And I printed the right scale ye
color glossy and put it in my

2654
02:41:45.840 --> 02:41:48.079
case. He used to make custom
yeah art, like you did a Dark

2655
02:41:48.120 --> 02:41:50.959
Siders one. Yeah, Look,
it's cool. It's cool when they go

2656
02:41:52.040 --> 02:41:56.879
the extra mile, like Aspect was
it three that had the reversible that had

2657
02:41:56.959 --> 02:42:00.959
fimshap on the back so you could
reverse your thing. That's sounds cool,

2658
02:42:01.840 --> 02:42:05.760
but it never happens. But also, like you know, boxes themselves are

2659
02:42:05.799 --> 02:42:07.639
kind of becoming less and less a
thing. The wrestling games were doing it

2660
02:42:07.719 --> 02:42:13.120
for a while in this really like
kind of messed up. Well, I

2661
02:42:13.159 --> 02:42:15.440
don't know, like maybe it's actually
smart the way they did it, where

2662
02:42:15.440 --> 02:42:18.879
it was like the person on the
cover is the most marketable, mainstream person,

2663
02:42:18.040 --> 02:42:22.319
so it's just John Cena, and
then like the person that people who

2664
02:42:22.360 --> 02:42:24.280
buy video games actually like is on
the inside. So you can flip it

2665
02:42:24.319 --> 02:42:26.159
around and go like, all right, now I got the guy that they

2666
02:42:26.200 --> 02:42:28.840
should they should be pushing this guy
on. So who was that? Typically

2667
02:42:30.600 --> 02:42:33.920
I don't I don't don't remember who
who was? Yeah, I can't say

2668
02:42:33.920 --> 02:42:39.559
about that game, Yeah, like
Seampunk on the inside or someone. And

2669
02:42:39.879 --> 02:42:41.760
then they finally upgraded him to being
on the main cover one year, I

2670
02:42:41.840 --> 02:42:46.000
think. So I don't know,
I don't remember that guy's gone. Yeah,

2671
02:42:46.159 --> 02:42:48.600
see where it got him completely going. What do you think he was

2672
02:42:48.680 --> 02:42:52.879
doing last night? I mean his
wife was wrestling. Oh she still in

2673
02:42:52.159 --> 02:42:56.159
I thought she got out too,
No, yeah I did for a little

2674
02:42:56.200 --> 02:43:00.559
while. I think she was out
injured or she could she was out because

2675
02:43:00.559 --> 02:43:03.520
they got married and she was out
on Honeymoy. Also, everything I've heard

2676
02:43:03.520 --> 02:43:07.440
about Vince McMahon made it makes it
sound like if he was out, like

2677
02:43:07.559 --> 02:43:09.719
she would also be out just out
of spite or something. You know,

2678
02:43:09.959 --> 02:43:13.120
at some point, isn't it more
spiteful to keep her in and have her

2679
02:43:13.159 --> 02:43:15.639
lose all the time in really degrading
ways? God, that's terrible. She

2680
02:43:15.680 --> 02:43:18.600
actually won last night. Spent half
the ground all right, half the time

2681
02:43:18.680 --> 02:43:22.600
on the ground. But you know, sure? Yeah? Uh. Tristan

2682
02:43:22.639 --> 02:43:24.959
wrote in an email, I wanted
to know if we ever change links name

2683
02:43:26.760 --> 02:43:31.399
in video games. I changed to
Zelda a couple of times. Yeah.

2684
02:43:33.159 --> 02:43:35.760
I use default names whenever possible that
they're not my characters to name same here

2685
02:43:37.120 --> 02:43:39.319
they if they've went to the trouble
of giving them a name, I'm going

2686
02:43:39.360 --> 02:43:43.879
to stick. I prefer games that
give the character's name yes to being forced

2687
02:43:43.920 --> 02:43:46.760
and it forced to come up with
my own. Sometimes I will just enter

2688
02:43:46.840 --> 02:43:50.360
something completely stupid, or I will
just I actually like it when they have

2689
02:43:50.440 --> 02:43:54.399
random name generators like I don't.
I don't like picking names for characters.

2690
02:43:54.479 --> 02:43:58.000
Can ask a question, Yeah,
okay, what's the origin of don Sandwich?

2691
02:44:00.159 --> 02:44:01.159
I don't know. I just had
to type some fucking garbage in my

2692
02:44:01.280 --> 02:44:05.639
Wow character thing, and that's what
came out. I decided don't want to

2693
02:44:05.680 --> 02:44:09.760
play a lady all right? And
yeah, I don't know. The question

2694
02:44:09.840 --> 02:44:13.319
has haunted me for the last decade. It's just something now I know there

2695
02:44:13.479 --> 02:44:16.719
was no answer there. It's something
that pooped out through my fingers when it

2696
02:44:16.760 --> 02:44:20.120
came time to name a Wow character
and it never got used anywhere else.

2697
02:44:20.239 --> 02:44:24.040
And that's okay. I didn't think
to ask you back into Lego four.

2698
02:44:24.319 --> 02:44:30.799
Yeah, so here we are.
Uh okay, let's uh whittle this down

2699
02:44:30.840 --> 02:44:37.280
to the last couple of the emails. How about Alex and Indio? Who

2700
02:44:37.360 --> 02:44:41.000
wants to know what gaming related purchases
do you, guys regret most? Maybe

2701
02:44:41.120 --> 02:44:45.600
something you bought as a child because
you might now get tax right offs.

2702
02:44:45.959 --> 02:44:48.000
Ps. Dan's big head was annoying
as fuck while I tried to watch Wrestle

2703
02:44:48.040 --> 02:44:54.120
Media. What a heel keep telling
you, guys, Strider the Jaesis,

2704
02:44:54.239 --> 02:44:56.920
Yeah that you've finished in an hour
or whatever? That was. Money was

2705
02:44:58.000 --> 02:44:58.959
hard to come by at that.
What was that like an eighty dollar game?

2706
02:45:00.440 --> 02:45:01.600
Game? That took It took me
quite some time to get to a

2707
02:45:01.639 --> 02:45:03.600
point where I could buy that game. And then I bought it, brought

2708
02:45:03.639 --> 02:45:11.479
it home and finished it. I
was so fucking pissed. I have judgment

2709
02:45:11.760 --> 02:45:16.079
for the p S three you know
the camera. Yes, that was into

2710
02:45:16.760 --> 02:45:18.280
wow a little while. Yeah that's
a rough one. Yeah. A friend

2711
02:45:18.319 --> 02:45:22.000
of mine like totally sold me on. He's like, check this shit,

2712
02:45:22.079 --> 02:45:24.479
ut'st VR stuff wasn't Yeah, that
was like some early AAR type thing.

2713
02:45:24.600 --> 02:45:28.000
Rights show up on the table.
All right, man, if they if

2714
02:45:28.040 --> 02:45:31.360
they really support this. They expanded
the card count and everything. Yeah,

2715
02:45:31.680 --> 02:45:33.319
this could be great. And bought
it and I still have some of the

2716
02:45:33.360 --> 02:45:39.879
booster packs, you know, unopened
states. That's rough. I can't have

2717
02:45:39.920 --> 02:45:43.360
been cheap. No, it was
like eighty bucks. Yeah. I bought

2718
02:45:43.440 --> 02:45:48.200
Star Wars Galaxies wow. Before.
That's also a rough one. Realizing what

2719
02:45:48.360 --> 02:45:54.079
an MMO was? Shit, I
have to pay what? Nope? Wow?

2720
02:45:54.920 --> 02:45:58.600
Did you really played it? Not
even your three month I think I

2721
02:45:58.760 --> 02:46:07.959
installed it. Man, that sucks. Oh well, say Levy Keith's just

2722
02:46:07.399 --> 02:46:11.840
to know about video games at the
library. Hey, fellows, I'm a

2723
02:46:11.879 --> 02:46:15.680
librarian at a county library, and
like other libraries around the country, we

2724
02:46:15.799 --> 02:46:18.840
are considering adding video games to our
collection. Was the only gamer among the

2725
02:46:18.920 --> 02:46:24.040
librarian ranks. The responsibility for selecting
which games to add will almost certainly fall

2726
02:46:24.120 --> 02:46:28.840
to me. My question is this, broker the guy game done? What?

2727
02:46:31.040 --> 02:46:33.040
My question is this, Since my
budget will be low and high circulation

2728
02:46:33.159 --> 02:46:37.280
numbers are a priority, should I
focus on a smaller collection of pricier current

2729
02:46:37.319 --> 02:46:43.559
gen games or a larger quantity of
cheaper last generation games? Obviously the Yeah,

2730
02:46:43.719 --> 02:46:46.120
the last generation games. Yeah.
I think at this point in time,

2731
02:46:46.159 --> 02:46:50.719
the three sixty PS three era is
probably the safest bet. They're probably

2732
02:46:50.760 --> 02:46:54.639
pretty cheap, and also history has
sort of borne out, which are the

2733
02:46:54.680 --> 02:46:56.440
game Yeah, So there's all that. There's also the most number of people

2734
02:46:56.440 --> 02:47:00.440
are likely to still have those systems
available. Yeah, if you go too

2735
02:47:00.479 --> 02:47:05.079
far back install base yeah, yeah, more people eligible to play them,

2736
02:47:05.120 --> 02:47:09.600
like easier to get the games cheaper. Definitely don't get the current and stuff.

2737
02:47:09.600 --> 02:47:11.000
No, no, no, yeah, I think you know, like

2738
02:47:11.079 --> 02:47:13.239
the people that haven't upgraded new consoles
are going to be the people that are

2739
02:47:13.280 --> 02:47:18.879
more price sensitive, that would tend
to appreciate a library lending things out like

2740
02:47:18.000 --> 02:47:20.760
that, so you might get more
use out of it that way. Yeah.

2741
02:47:22.920 --> 02:47:26.360
Yeah, I think let's say we're
solidly in the PS three three sixty

2742
02:47:26.399 --> 02:47:28.280
camp. I think it would be
rad if at this point you know you

2743
02:47:28.319 --> 02:47:31.520
have to not let people check shit
out, but I think it would be

2744
02:47:31.600 --> 02:47:33.440
rad if you just said, like, all right, we're going to hook

2745
02:47:33.520 --> 02:47:37.239
up old ass video game systems here
at the library, and if you want

2746
02:47:37.280 --> 02:47:39.479
to come by and play the games, you can. I think I've heard

2747
02:47:39.479 --> 02:47:43.680
of some libraries having that. Really, that's super cool, I think,

2748
02:47:43.760 --> 02:47:46.159
and you know, checkout system for
just playing suff you know, maybe hey,

2749
02:47:46.200 --> 02:47:48.440
if you have this system at home, you can check out the game.

2750
02:47:48.479 --> 02:47:50.520
Sure, but just like a couple
of stations set up right there,

2751
02:47:50.600 --> 02:47:52.840
Yeah, put on some headphones and
go yeah, yeah, yeah, that'd

2752
02:47:52.840 --> 02:47:56.079
be cool. I don't know,
I don't maybe bring your own headphones,

2753
02:47:56.319 --> 02:48:01.639
well sure, yeah, sure,
Hey, it's the library. Can make

2754
02:48:01.639 --> 02:48:05.600
sure everybody stays quiet. I just
don't want communal headphones happening. Yeah that's

2755
02:48:05.639 --> 02:48:09.719
fair. I don't know these ones
that we're wearing. There's a lot of

2756
02:48:09.760 --> 02:48:13.600
email headphones in this building. I
just hope everybody washes their ears on a

2757
02:48:13.600 --> 02:48:22.000
regular basis. What why would you
watch yours next email from? How about

2758
02:48:22.079 --> 02:48:26.920
last email? Let's say this is
the last email. You're gone, soft

2759
02:48:26.040 --> 02:48:31.040
man, I got nuts. Okay, there's more where that came. You

2760
02:48:31.079 --> 02:48:31.760
do? What do you want to
do. Man, this is your show.

2761
02:48:31.879 --> 02:48:35.600
Okay, this is your show,
show starring Brad. If you want

2762
02:48:35.600 --> 02:48:37.799
to say, hey, we're killing
the news segment, I'll be like,

2763
02:48:37.879 --> 02:48:39.520
all right, I don't know,
Mary, it's your show. I got

2764
02:48:39.600 --> 02:48:43.360
your back. Hey we're killing the
news segment. Whatever? Man, cool

2765
02:48:43.440 --> 02:48:50.680
and hey the podcast is canceled.
All right, I'm starting a new podcast,

2766
02:48:50.319 --> 02:48:54.639
Brad. I think you should host
it. Fuck never escape. Uh.

2767
02:48:54.920 --> 02:49:00.040
Two Drew Curiosities is the name of
this email. Okay, comes and

2768
02:49:00.200 --> 02:49:05.360
from Jerry. Hey, guys,
I have two questions about Drew related curiosities.

2769
02:49:05.920 --> 02:49:09.479
One. All right, I can
answer these for you. I know

2770
02:49:09.639 --> 02:49:13.520
Drew worked in the games industry before
joining Giant Bombs, specifically at Backbone Entertainment.

2771
02:49:13.559 --> 02:49:15.639
I'm curious what he did at the
studio. Was it related to the

2772
02:49:15.719 --> 02:49:18.920
video work he does now, or
was he actually on the development side he

2773
02:49:18.040 --> 02:49:22.120
was the CFO. I'll now pause
for you to answer. Okay, No,

2774
02:49:22.280 --> 02:49:28.440
I was a for a while.
I was an art intern, and

2775
02:49:28.479 --> 02:49:33.319
then I got hired full time as
a contract artist. It was just a

2776
02:49:33.440 --> 02:49:37.079
lot of like especially as an intern, It's just a lot of like intern

2777
02:49:37.159 --> 02:49:39.479
type tasks, like I did back
up for a lot of games like,

2778
02:49:39.520 --> 02:49:43.280
oh, this game's done, we
need to put all the data that we

2779
02:49:43.399 --> 02:49:46.920
ever generated onto disks and then put
him in a folder. What kind of

2780
02:49:46.959 --> 02:49:52.200
discs? Uh? DVDs just burning
DVDs? No, like crazy industrial tape

2781
02:49:52.239 --> 02:49:58.879
backup. But yeah. Eventually,
when I got hired on, I was

2782
02:49:58.959 --> 02:50:07.360
doing things like open up this scene
like a Maya file of a level of

2783
02:50:07.559 --> 02:50:13.639
rock Band unplugged for the PSP,
and then check all the lighting because we

2784
02:50:13.719 --> 02:50:16.239
had this big Excel spreadsheet of what
all the lighting was supposed to look like

2785
02:50:16.280 --> 02:50:20.559
for every level. Go through all
this or like go through the WEE version

2786
02:50:20.680 --> 02:50:26.760
of DJ or what was it Death
Junior? We called it DJ Death Junior

2787
02:50:26.799 --> 02:50:33.559
two. If there are any models
out of place, not tate where they

2788
02:50:33.600 --> 02:50:37.840
are, that kind of stuff.
And then for let's see street Fighter HD

2789
02:50:39.000 --> 02:50:45.040
remix. No, I love this
part. I would receive the PSD files

2790
02:50:45.360 --> 02:50:48.600
from oudon who art Yeah, who
did all the art? Yeah in in

2791
02:50:48.719 --> 02:50:52.239
Japan. Uh. They would send
them to me, and then they would

2792
02:50:52.280 --> 02:50:58.600
still have like the artists notes on
the PSDs, like different layers, like

2793
02:50:58.639 --> 02:51:01.000
oh, we need to take this
part in like the hit box you know.

2794
02:51:01.159 --> 02:51:05.159
Sometimes the hit box layer would be
turned on. So basically just clean

2795
02:51:05.239 --> 02:51:11.559
them all up, export uh like
bitmap files, just a final sprite,

2796
02:51:11.639 --> 02:51:13.600
a final sprite, and import that
back into the game for testing purposes.

2797
02:51:13.719 --> 02:51:16.840
Oh that sounds awesome. And a
few more things like I made some greats

2798
02:51:16.920 --> 02:51:22.120
for g I Joe ds uh,
just like bits and bobs for Earth for

2799
02:51:22.280 --> 02:51:28.799
everything, like some uh gameplay capture
for marketing materials. Uh achievement. So

2800
02:51:28.040 --> 02:51:33.840
yeah, goddamn it. I was
more fascinated by this than anything else.

2801
02:51:33.920 --> 02:51:39.719
You did. Achievement icons? What
game achievement icons for Sonics Ultimate Genesis collect

2802
02:51:39.760 --> 02:51:43.200
did you just have you just have
like do you have artistic cart blanche to

2803
02:51:43.319 --> 02:51:46.200
just make the icons whatever you wanted? Kind of yeah, that sounds great.

2804
02:51:46.319 --> 02:51:50.520
Yeah, I mean I submitted them, and you know it wasn't just

2805
02:51:50.719 --> 02:51:54.920
me going like yep, bounds good
ship it sure. Uh this was a

2806
02:51:54.959 --> 02:51:56.959
picture of my face. You get
this one if you beat streets Ridge too.

2807
02:51:58.680 --> 02:52:01.680
But you know, like I had
a Genesis, so I knew a

2808
02:52:01.680 --> 02:52:03.639
lot of those those games, so
I kind of knew what that's fun?

2809
02:52:03.799 --> 02:52:07.079
What would what would fly? Is
it? That sounds like it's kind of

2810
02:52:07.120 --> 02:52:11.040
menial, you know, like making
achievement icons a sort of grunt labor in

2811
02:52:11.120 --> 02:52:13.920
a sense, but you can still
get creative with it, Yeah, and

2812
02:52:13.079 --> 02:52:18.120
have some fun. Yeah that sounds
that sounds really fun. Question too.

2813
02:52:20.440 --> 02:52:22.799
It occurred to me the other day
that I don't think I've ever heard Drew

2814
02:52:22.879 --> 02:52:26.360
utter a single swear word. I've
been listening to him since he joined JA

2815
02:52:26.399 --> 02:52:28.920
Bomb, and I can't think of
a single occurrence of blue language from him?

2816
02:52:28.959 --> 02:52:31.040
What makes him so eff and polite? Is there a particular reason he

2817
02:52:31.079 --> 02:52:35.799
doesn't swear? Or is it just
never enter his mind? Uh? It's

2818
02:52:35.239 --> 02:52:39.440
I do it so that I forced
myself to be more eloquent. That's a

2819
02:52:39.479 --> 02:52:43.920
good reason. Yeah, good answer. Good say that he doesn't. I've

2820
02:52:43.959 --> 02:52:48.479
heard a couple, but not on
air. Not a sounds like bullshit to

2821
02:52:48.520 --> 02:52:52.680
me. I don't look down on
people that that do is. Yeah,

2822
02:52:52.959 --> 02:52:56.200
force myself to be more like the
rest of us are working plenty of blue

2823
02:52:56.239 --> 02:53:01.000
around here. D Well, you
know, keep mind like you know,

2824
02:53:01.159 --> 02:53:05.840
like we spent a decade very much
not yeah or thereabouts, that's for sure,

2825
02:53:05.920 --> 02:53:09.040
five to ten years very much not
working in that hotile. That's really

2826
02:53:09.079 --> 02:53:16.319
hard to remember now, Okay,
now I remember it. Yeah, it

2827
02:53:16.399 --> 02:53:20.799
took it that long. Apparently John
Madden curses like a sailor really yeah,

2828
02:53:20.000 --> 02:53:24.040
and can somehow just turn it off
for the the air. I could see

2829
02:53:24.079 --> 02:53:26.680
that. Yeah, he seems like
a cantank or his old sort. Yeah

2830
02:53:26.959 --> 02:53:31.719
to me, yes, I got
I never really had a problem. So

2831
02:53:31.840 --> 02:53:35.680
actually, since we kind of started
this site and started swearing like crazy,

2832
02:53:37.319 --> 02:53:41.680
it has made me slightly worse at
not swearing. Yeah. I have to

2833
02:53:41.719 --> 02:53:46.360
catch myself sometimes in some situations,
but uh yeah, I can typically turn

2834
02:53:46.440 --> 02:53:50.559
it on and off pretty well.
It's something that I would ideally like to

2835
02:53:50.600 --> 02:53:54.440
cut down on. But old habits, yeah, man, floodgates are open.

2836
02:53:56.559 --> 02:53:58.520
Yeah, I guess. So I
suppose people talk? Are they talk?

2837
02:53:58.600 --> 02:54:01.559
Do you want to be that eighty
year old dude? Now you probably

2838
02:54:01.600 --> 02:54:05.920
do? Yeah, just just letting
it fly totally. Yeah, all right,

2839
02:54:07.040 --> 02:54:09.079
that's yes, fun, just run
with it. The I wanna be

2840
02:54:09.120 --> 02:54:13.840
the fucking weird old man that the
kids kind of like because he's always cursing.

2841
02:54:13.040 --> 02:54:16.520
Sure, old people aren't supposed to
curse, but that one does.

2842
02:54:16.680 --> 02:54:22.280
Yeh, he's so drunk. All
right, we should should have a long,

2843
02:54:22.319 --> 02:54:26.479
deep conversation later. Yeah, you
give me another forty years or something

2844
02:54:26.559 --> 02:54:28.520
like that. I'm gonna get way
back into drinking. Okay, like this

2845
02:54:28.680 --> 02:54:31.680
is the calm before the storm,
all right, where like I'm not really

2846
02:54:31.760 --> 02:54:35.920
drinking at all, and you really
just like just ride it all the way

2847
02:54:35.959 --> 02:54:39.840
down at the end. Yeah,
no holds barred for sure. All Right,

2848
02:54:41.079 --> 02:54:43.360
I can't wait. Sounds like a
good way to spend your twilight years.

2849
02:54:45.319 --> 02:54:48.840
BombCast. A Giant bomb dot com
is the email address for the email

2850
02:54:48.879 --> 02:54:52.559
section where the emails go and then
are read on the air. Uh.

2851
02:54:52.079 --> 02:54:56.920
And that's it for this week's edition
of the Giant BombCast. What is happening

2852
02:54:56.000 --> 02:55:00.920
this week? I bought a dumb
scooter? Yes, oh yeah, yeah,

2853
02:55:01.000 --> 02:55:03.719
like that one of those ragious scooters
but for big people. Okay.

2854
02:55:03.840 --> 02:55:07.040
I was a little drunk, was
outside talking to some neighbors, uh during

2855
02:55:07.079 --> 02:55:11.319
WrestleMania, and they were talking about
how we commute to work, and I'm

2856
02:55:11.319 --> 02:55:13.239
like, you know, I was
thinking about getting one of those dumb little

2857
02:55:13.280 --> 02:55:16.280
scooters but they look ridiculous, and
he's like, I have one. They

2858
02:55:16.319 --> 02:55:18.680
do look ridiculous. Do you want
to buy it? So I handed the

2859
02:55:20.239 --> 02:55:22.719
just right there on the spot.
Yeah, weird ass transaction. I went

2860
02:55:22.799 --> 02:55:26.639
up to his department and I bought
myself a little yellow scooter. I'm never

2861
02:55:26.719 --> 02:55:31.799
gonna cha. Chason Scooter time coming
soon to the website. Probably should bring

2862
02:55:31.879 --> 02:55:35.159
it in and we should just film
ourselves riding them around San Francisco. Really

2863
02:55:35.239 --> 02:55:37.680
you want to do that. It's
just like, you know, harbingers of

2864
02:55:37.760 --> 02:55:41.840
the coming upoplasture, Like it's dressed
up like the Grim Reaper, and ride

2865
02:55:41.840 --> 02:55:46.520
a fucking scooter around and say your
apps sucks to everyone we you encounter,

2866
02:55:46.159 --> 02:55:50.040
they'll take you more seriously because you're
on a scooter. Yeah exactly. I've

2867
02:55:50.079 --> 02:55:52.239
got some Google glass that you can
wear. Okay, yeah, yeah,

2868
02:55:52.319 --> 02:55:58.520
all right, yeah, fucking Grim
Reaper wearing Google glass. By the time

2869
02:55:58.559 --> 02:56:01.600
you hear the startup is doom.
Well they all are. Yeah, that's

2870
02:56:01.639 --> 02:56:05.040
just how that goes. By the
time you hear this, the PlayStation Home

2871
02:56:05.159 --> 02:56:09.920
stream may have commenced or may have
ended. I'm not sure. Yeah,

2872
02:56:09.959 --> 02:56:13.000
we're gonna be looking at the final
day of PlayStation Home but yes, that's

2873
02:56:13.120 --> 02:56:16.399
that's today. Will this be archived? I don't know, really good question.

2874
02:56:18.639 --> 02:56:22.959
I have no idea. Was it
archived? It already happened as of

2875
02:56:22.079 --> 02:56:26.000
now. I think generally speaking,
we archive everything we want to archive.

2876
02:56:26.200 --> 02:56:31.920
Yeah, which is most things and
stuff. We should just start answering no

2877
02:56:33.120 --> 02:56:37.920
every time, wait out of you
Nope, uh yeah, not watch it

2878
02:56:37.000 --> 02:56:41.680
live, you never know it's right. But yeah, PlayStation we're cutting out

2879
02:56:41.680 --> 02:56:45.719
all the good stuff. PlayStation Home
shutting down today. Yeah, hope hopefully

2880
02:56:45.799 --> 02:56:48.760
we were there to see it out. Yeah. Hopefully it didn't like fuck

2881
02:56:48.840 --> 02:56:50.760
up and go down early or who
knows. I have it on good authority

2882
02:56:50.799 --> 02:56:54.200
that we've got some breathing room.
Yeah, if we need it. Stream

2883
02:56:54.360 --> 02:56:58.479
that did a quick run through of
PlayStation Home a couple of weeks ago,

2884
02:56:58.639 --> 02:57:01.680
just to make sure it still functional
and all that other stuff. Make sure

2885
02:57:01.680 --> 02:57:03.600
your packman machine is still there.
I had to replace that, had to

2886
02:57:03.639 --> 02:57:07.479
put the pack once there again was
Home is gone to shit? So I

2887
02:57:07.600 --> 02:57:11.920
think I have. I think what
actually happened is I have changed PSN accounts

2888
02:57:11.040 --> 02:57:16.680
since the last time I loaded up
Home, all right, so it might

2889
02:57:16.760 --> 02:57:20.079
still be in that other version of
my Home. I'm not sure. Well,

2890
02:57:20.159 --> 02:57:22.959
the stream should be something well,
I mean, it's going to be

2891
02:57:24.040 --> 02:57:28.040
a visual chat room with us trying
to decide exactly how far we want to

2892
02:57:28.079 --> 02:57:31.479
go when it comes to fucking with
people that really care about PlayStation Home that

2893
02:57:31.520 --> 02:57:35.040
are probably very distraught. Yeah,
there's thing is shutting down. Answer is,

2894
02:57:35.079 --> 02:57:35.840
we don't want to go that far
at all because it's kind of a

2895
02:57:35.840 --> 02:57:39.440
fucked up thing to do. Probably, even if I think PlayStation Home is

2896
02:57:39.440 --> 02:57:43.200
a hilarious joke, and the idea
that people would be into it is sort

2897
02:57:43.239 --> 02:57:46.440
of like nuts nuts to me.
Yeah, you're right, you know,

2898
02:57:46.600 --> 02:57:50.719
no need to just trump in to
stomp in there and fuck with their ship.

2899
02:57:50.959 --> 02:57:52.079
That's fair. It's already getting shut
down. What more can I do?

2900
02:57:52.280 --> 02:57:56.840
Yeah, they've already done enough.
Any other content come in site?

2901
02:57:56.840 --> 02:57:58.440
You guys wanted, not that we
were ready to talk about. Okay,

2902
02:58:00.200 --> 02:58:03.760
we I think are gonna try to
do a giant I'm unplugged. Oh yes,

2903
02:58:05.040 --> 02:58:07.040
yes, it's on the calendar.
Okay, apparently he was ready to

2904
02:58:07.079 --> 02:58:11.559
talk about it. It's on You're
right, you're right, I did see

2905
02:58:11.600 --> 02:58:15.000
it there. That's that's us saying
that we're gonna do it. That's yes,

2906
02:58:15.440 --> 02:58:18.680
we've made that commitment already. Yeah. Wait, wait, if something

2907
02:58:18.000 --> 02:58:20.600
is on the calendar, that's an
actual commitment that we're gonna do it,

2908
02:58:20.719 --> 02:58:24.760
like legally binding. Weird. Okay, alright, So we had to rethink

2909
02:58:24.760 --> 02:58:28.840
a lot of this, yeah,
exactly, yea six months ago. Yes,

2910
02:58:28.920 --> 02:58:31.840
I put that on there the day
the story broke about home shutting down.

2911
02:58:31.079 --> 02:58:35.360
Just you just picked twelve o'clock.
I just picked twelve pm because well

2912
02:58:35.840 --> 02:58:37.159
that's what Dame we're doing. Why
not? Now, you could change that

2913
02:58:37.200 --> 02:58:43.120
whenever you want, Okay, it's
fine, all right, Well, stay

2914
02:58:43.200 --> 02:58:46.559
tuned to the website for any other
stuff that might be popping off this week.

2915
02:58:48.680 --> 02:58:50.600
Uh and in the meantime, we'll
be back next week with another edition

2916
02:58:50.639 --> 02:58:52.479
of the Giant Bodcast.