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Hi everyone, I'm Tanya and I'm Talia, and we are Crimes and Consequences,
a true crime podcast. Hi Talia, Hey Tanya, don't ask me
how I'm doing? Can I just cut through all that bullshit? Yeah,
I'm not gonna ask. Okay, I haven't ask student the last couple episodes.
I don't know if you've noticed. Yeah, there's a reason. Unfortunately
it's not funny, but there is a reason. So anyway, I'm a
little off today with my sinuses and stuff, guys, so bear with me.
Tany's got this though, I've got it. So i'd like to welcome
everyone back to another exciting episode of Crimes and Consequences. Before I get into
the episode today, though, I'd just like to remind everyone to hit the
subscribe or follow button on whatever app you're listening to. And have you ever
heard of the Russian Bonnie and Clyde? Yeah, okay, Well, even
if you're not a fan of true crime, you will probably know the names
of Bonnie and Clyde, right, right, they're pretty infamous. And Bonnie
and Clyde they grew to fame like during the Great Depression, after robbing a
bunch of places. And they were young lovers who did what they wanted and
they didn't care about consequences, and they killed people. Yeah they yeah,
like you said, They went on a murder in robbery spree across multiple states
and lived a life of crime, and they seemed to love every minute of
it. However, their little reign of terror came to an end in a
hill of bullets ye one hundred and thirty rounds to be exact. They were
fired into their car after police amber to them. Our story follows two young
lovers who compared themselves to Bonnie and Clyde after a standoff with police that was
unfolding on a live stream for the internet to see. No shit, Yeah,
it's crazy. Like Bonnie and Clyde, our lovers met a deadly fate.
But some say their dusts aren't as black and white as they need seem.
I mean, why would two young teens with full lives ahead of them
want to go out and blaze a glory because they're young teen Yeah exactly right.
Teams are stupid. Our story follows Dennis murray yovray Yev and Katiev Vaslova
Katia. It's my daughter's known name. Oh is it? I like that
name. It's cute. So it's Dennis and Katya. In twenty sixteen,
fifteen year old Dennis and fifteen year old Katya met for the first time after
Dennis and his family moved to Piscoff, where Dennis's stepfather got a construction job
in the village. They're in Russia, by the way, in case I
didn't make that clear, you made it clear, Okay. The pair added
each other and vi kum Tac two, which is a social media site similar
to Facebook, and they call it VK. Yeah, I'm gonna call it
VK because I'm not gonna be able to say. But it's like Facebook.
Yeah, it's like Facebook. You can post statuses, you can direct message
people, you can do all the same things that you can do on Facebook.
Dennis and Katibingian messaging each other and became friends quickly, Exchanging messages soon
turned into walks after school and spending time with each other, and not long
after that, the two became an item and fell in love. You know
how young love is right. They were insperable and they spent a lot of
their time together. Although they were obsessed with each other. The same couldn't
be said about their parents and how they felt about their relationship. During one
of their walks, supposedly, is that what we're calling it the failing at
Walgs, Dennis's mom, Olga, discovered, after it being three o'clock in
the morning, that Dennis wasn't home yet, so she called the police.
It's a long walk. Hell yeah, it's a late ass walk too.
Who's letting them stay out this late? This is how Olga found out about
their relationship. Dennis was in love with Katia, so when his mother forbade
him from seeing her, he was furious, and he convinced Katia they should
run away and be together. When Dennis's stepfather went looking for the couple,
he found them on a rooftop the next morning. So that's where they ran
away. Yeah, that's where they ran away, and they weren't going to
stop seeing each other, so they continued their relationship despite their families objecting to
their young love. Young love. However, this relationship wasn't all rainbows and
butterflies and no go figure. In early November twenty sixteen, Katia broke up
with Dennis. She felt maybe things weren't right when it came to being with
him. There had been the accusations made about Katya that she was cheating on
Dennis throughout their relationship. However, Dennis wasn't about to give up on her.
He loved her and he just kept pursuing her. Dennis went her back
when he posted on VK of status that made Katya fall ahead over heels back
in love with him. All right, you want to hear what that hot
message was? Okay, so he posted quote forever in my heart despite everything,
I love you, love you now and will love That's it. Yeah,
Katya was so moved. She's like, oh my gosh. She posted
that. Everybody just see media and social media. Oh my god, I
love you so much. Back together again. Olga knew that trying to keep
Dennis and Katia apart just wasn't going to work. And Olga was a psychologist
and due to this work, she knew that if she was going to have
a good relationship with her son, she needed to build a relationship with his
girlfriend. So she's like, okay, if I can't beat him, join
him, I guess is the attitude. Olga invited Katya over for dinner and
to have a talk, which went surprisingly well. The two became very close.
They went shopping together, and Katya would come over often to have dinner
with Dennis's family. Katya had become like a daughter to Olga, really yeah.
And she even grew close with Dennis's seven year old sister, and she
taught her to draw because Katy was a talented artist. Katya was able to
integrate into this loving family, which wasn't really what she was getting at home.
She spent a lot of time at Dennis's house because I think her home
life was pretty shitty. There was no evidence to suggest that Katya's family was
violent, but it really wasn't a very loving household. Olga doated on her
children with love and care, whereas Katya's mother and stepfather were often described as
soulless. Oh yeah, son, it's cold souls. Is like Ted BONDI
right, I mean, you know, Katia found a safe haven with Dennis
and his family, and their relationship began looking up as Dennis's family grew to
love Katya like she was part of the family. In the summer of twenty
sixteen, Dennis's mother received a notice from the Russian Juvenile Commission accusing her of
subjecting Dennis to an unproper upbringing. Dennis. Yeah, yeah, great thing
that they were, but unbeknownst to her, Dennis had been violating school regulations.
Dennis was being rude to teachers and skipping class to go out smoking.
Oga was shocked as she had assumed Dennis was attending class at school. I
skipped classic of smoke, did you. Dennis's behavior began to shift into a
rebellious teen and his friends from school even took notice in his new behavior,
and one friend said, Dennis used to be a good student and studied often,
but a shift began when he started seeing Katya Erna, I would say
a few months, Dennis's behavior began to grow hostile. He was fighting with
his friends, and early in the relationship with Katya, he threw temper tantrums
as Katya would sometimes go off with other boys like he would, I mean,
I would throw my girlfriend was like with other boys, and like I
said. It was rumored that Katy was cheating on Dennis throughout the relationship,
which really upset him. But they worked it out. Yeah, they did
work it out. One afternoon, the couple returned home after school and they
got into an argument about what they were going to do with the rest of
the afternoon. The fight escalated into a screaming match between the two, and
eventually Katya left, leaving Dennis to continue to take out his anger and his
mom and little sister. Dennis was grounded due to this and was sent to
his room, but would later reconcile with his family and he apologized for his
behavior. Dennis and Katy's relationship felt more strained when Katy began cheating on Dennis
again, which she had initially denied. Dennis was very hurt, but he
was so in love with Katya he chose to work things out with her.
People at school took notice about how toxic their relationship was becoming. Their friends
would try and help them out, but as young teenagers are stubborn as how,
God, don't even start. Don't get me started, I know,
right, Dennis and Katya ignored the please their friends made. They were in
love and no one was going to tell them otherwise. That's absolutely right,
right they were. It was fucking beautiful. Man. Fifteen is a hard
age, I remember. I know. One night Oga got a text from
Katya. Katya told her that her stepfather had beat her and she decided to
run away from home and fear it would happen again. Is that true?
I don't know if it's really true, but it's possible. When Dennis found
out, he went to try and find Katya because she had left her house.
After some convincing, Olga got Katya to come over to their house,
and when she got there, Oga told her that she should talk to her
parents to sort things out, as they were probably worried sick about where she
was. Katya told her she would be better off living on the streets than
returned home to them. It was obvious to Olga that Katya was extremely intoxicated.
Oh and Oga called Katy's parents and she really didn't fully believe Katya's version
of events due to some prior behaviors, but when her parents did show up,
Oga realized that Katya may have been telling the truth. When Katya's stepfather
came to pick her up, Katya originally refused to get into his car.
Then her stepfather grabbed her and dragged her into the car, causing quite the
scene, Oga heard Katya wheezing and Dennis said he saw Katya's stepfather head what
I know, Oga felt terrible after this altercation. She had no idea how
horrible Katya's life was, and she had just called the person who Katy was
afraid of or such a yeah. Oga messaged Katya to apologize to her for
what she had caused, and Katya forgave her easily, but there was concern
that Katya had hinted that she made take her own life. Oga insisted that
Katya come over for dinner, and when she arrived a few days later,
she had noticeable bruise on her head. Apparently Katya had decided to sneak out
to a friend's sleepover. Kati had a curfew of nine pms, so when
her mother discovered she wasn't home, she went out and found her at this
friend's house. Katya's mother took her home in allegedly a screaming match ensued,
which turned into a physical altercation, which is where it is assumed she got
the bruise. Oga had gotten some oint meant to help with the bruise and
ask Katya if she was seriously considering taking her own life. Because she was
saying that she's just like I'd be better off det Katya told her that,
well, I did rethink it, and I don't think I will okay,
So I think we're good. Katya expressed she was hesitant to go home though,
as she feared what she would be returning to, but she did eventually
go home. The next day, Dennis's mother looked at Dennis's VK page,
where she saw a post that had recently been made where Katya had said she
would go quote to the end end quote with Dennis, what does that mean?
Yeah? When his mother asked him what it meant, Dennis simply told
her that she had nothing to worry about and that Katya just needed some time
to cool off. Dennis's mom, Olga, was still concerned. What could
Katya mean to the end? Yeah? She had just made comments about suicide
earlier in the week. Could she be contemplating ending her own life? Olga
was right to be concerned about Katia Anderson. The pair had a plan,
and the plan wasn't going to have a happy ending. On November eleventh,
twenty sixteen, Dennis suddenly goes missing. His mother and stepfather had returned home
in the afternoon to find that he wasn't home and his phone had been switched
off. When they continued to search his room for answers, they found that
some warm clothing had been taken, some pillows, blankets, a knife,
a bottle of alcohol, and some bank cards were also missing. It was
discovered that Dennis had used the cards earlier to withdraw a thousand rubles from his
parents. Yeah, from his parents accounts, and a thousand rubles is only
about thirteen dollars. Oh, it sounds not like it sounds like a lounds
like a lot of money. When his parents had asked his friends if they
knew anything, has anybody talked to Dennis? One of them said that they
saw him the day before, but he didn't mention to them that he was
leaving or going out in his own like. They had no idea where he
could be. Dennis's parents contacted Katya's parents next as, and they told Dennis's
parents that they couldn't get a hold of Katya either, that she had gone
missing. Katya's parents said that she'd been gone for two days. Shocked,
Dennis's parents told him the Dennis was also missing and that they were out looking
for him. However, Katya's parents refused to help to look for their daughter.
Outraged, Olga kept pressuring Katia's parents for information, like how could you
possibly not care where your daughter's are. Eventually, Kata's mother broke and told
Olga that Katya's stepmother lived in a village called Strugi Kresny. Her stepmother,
her stepmother, where's her dad? That's where her dad lives? Okay,
okay, and the teens may have gone there. Frustrated, Olga found where
the stepmother lived and pleaded with her to let her know if the pair showed
up to her house. Whilst Oga was looking for a lead, Dennis's stopfather
was searching all of the known spots that the teens liked to go to.
After extensive searches around the village, Dennis's family decided to report Dennis missing.
Katia's mother got in contact with Dennis's family and told them they weren't going to
be filing a missing person's report on their daughter. However, despite saying this
to Oga, Katya's mother did end up making a report, but it wasn't
to report her missing. It was a report to the Commission of Juvenile Affairs
in an attempt to get Katia placed in a boarding school. Well, you
know what, that's not really a bad idea. Yeah, probably not.
Not long after this missing person's report was filed, Dennis contacted his mother.
He told her that he was with Katia, that they were safe, but
he wasn't going to tell her where they were. Dennis also asked his mom
to withdraw her report to the police, like I'm not missing. Whatever you
want. However, Oga was like, yeah, I'm not going to do
that. What the families didn't know is that the teams took a minibus to
Strugi Krasny and they got in contact with Dennis's half sister and asked her if
she could write an apartment for them, because they couldn't they were only teenagers.
Well, how they have any money? They have their team? I
know, I don't know. You know, shit doesn't make sense when you're
a teenager. And before I tell you the rest of the story, we're
going to take a break. They made their way to a cottage that one
of Katia's family members owned and they decided to hide out there. It wasn't
occupied at the time, and they got into the cottage by breaking in through
a window. They decided to stay there, and they made a plan that
when the time was right, they would make their way to the city to
start a new life. So they were just going to hide out there regroup.
I guess when the time is right. No money, with no money
and no possessions. Yeah, exactly, all right, exactly. Eventually,
Katya's mom learned that they had gone to Strugi Kresny and informed Dennis's family of
where the teens were. The two families traveled to this cottage and Oga told
Katya's mom to call the police for help. However, her mom refused as
she didn't want to damage the cottage's front door, like she didn't want the
police breaking in, and decided that the best choice was just to wait outside
until Dennis and Katya came out sometime right Katya's grandma also made her way to
the cottage to confront them and to tell them to come home. When Grandma
arrived to the cottage, she and Dennis's mom knocked on the door prepared to
convince them to come home. Dennis answered the door and told them you need
to go. We're we're not coming home. You need to leave and we're
not coming out. Katya noticed the commotion and also came to the door,
and when this was happening, she had a knife in her hand because she
was cooking in the kitchen. Her grandmother noticed the knife and she felt threatened
and she lunged towards Katia an attempt to take the knife from her. The
knife ended up slicing Katya's hand. So Dennis, trying to protect Katya,
pulled out a pistol that he had been hiding I'm assuming in his pants,
and he shot Katia's mother in the hip. He shot his mother her mother,
Yeah, grandma, her mother, Yeah, because mom and grandma are
at the door, right, where'd you get a goddamn gun? Trawn.
Oh, there's a bunch of guns in this cottage. O the cottage.
Yes. Katia's grandmother and mother both backed away when this happened. I mean,
she needs medical health now. And the teens decided to barricade themselves in
the house. Oh my god, it just goes from bad to worse.
Someone notified the police, and as they responded to the calls, Dennis's family
arrived to the property to convince the teens to come home. And I'm gonna
tell you like, a whole shit ton of cop showed up as well as
news media for people there, and you can imagine the main up. This
is when Dennis and Kati decided to go live on a live streaming app called
Periscope. So they decide they go live on Parisco, but they're going to
advocate for themselves. And ye what they're live stream shit show right, look
at what We're just trying to start a new life. Yeah, these people
won't leave us alone. And look, Kati's hand is cut and whatever,
okay. While live, the pair told their audience about the encounter they both
had with Kati's family. Katie explained to everyone watching that she didn't mean to
be aggressive. I'm sorry. Well, she was holding the knife, but
her grandma saw the knife and instantly went for it. Kati said, I
don't even feel the pain. I didn't even feel the pain when the knife
sliced my hands. And she said that Dennis was nervous when the scuffle began
and he had no choice but to shoot his mom, no other action at
all. It was just as the police and Dennis's family arrived to the scene,
Kati's mom was telling the police that Dennis was holding Kati a captive inside
the house and was refusing to let her leave. So you can imagine this
is like it's just like I said, it goes from bad to work.
It's completely a shit show. Katie responded to those accusations of her mother's claims
on her life stream, and she told the viewers that just wasn't true.
She was there voluntarily of her own free will, and Dennis wasn't making her
do anything that's not going to hold up, that's not going to work so
well for her in court. I know later, girl, you could be
under duress, right. She let the audience know that the reason they had
ran away and she said, quote it all started when I had a row
with mom in roe means argument. She said that on her periscope stream.
She said, quote, they found me at night and beat me up cruelly
in front of Dennis and his mother. Then I went home but ran away
again and we hid here end quote. Katya also expressed that the two of
them weren't going to give up without a fight. If they were going to
go out, they were going to go out in style. Okay, they're
such badasses. Laze of glory, blaze of glory. The couple had discovered
that there was a firearms safe in the cottage, and they managed to open
it to find an assortment of firearms ranging from shotguns to pistols and his pistol.
Yes, then they showed off the firearms on the live stream. Check
out this stash we got. We got going on here. As police arrived
to the property, Dennis thought it would be really funny to aim a gun
at the police and started firing at them while he was laughing. And this
is why I hate teen. This just sounds like a great idea. Dennis
actually injured a police officer in the process, who was hiding in some bushes
nearby. I mean, I think he's just firing randomly, but oh ha
ha ha, that's a really bad idea, very bad idea to fire a
gun at the police anywhere you live, Russia, United States, anywhere.
The police officer called for backup, and this is where the standoff with the
police began. During the conversation between the teens, Katya compared themselves to the
infamous gangster couple. Katya said, did you kill anyone? Dennis said no,
no one. Katya said no, no one. Yet Danna said maybe
I got cops. I don't know. I see cops and just shoot in
their direction. Maybe I got one. If I didn't, it'll be another
fifteen years in jail approximately. If I did, it'll be another fifteen years
in jail. Kati says, Bannie and Clyde Dennis says, so cool,
go on, it's time to say our last words. To the shock of
everyone watching, the teens acted very casual during this live stream, and I
tend to think maybe teenagers just don't understand. Yeah, reality, like right,
lasts right, fifteen years is a really long time, right, and
when you do stupid shit like this, there are consequences, like you said,
so, I think that that's why they probably had this attitude, you
know, being casual in whatever. It's just a game, right right.
They were seen cutting their hair on the live stream and dying it. They
were eating food, drinking, smoking, and they continued to show off the
firearms. Katie and Dennis took humor in the fact that they knew that the
special police unit would be forced to storm the property, and the teens told
everyone that they were going to open fire as soon as the police entered the
home. Dennis then picked up a gun and shot the TV, which was
inside the house. They then decided to throw the TV out of the window
at police. The teens continued to make jokes about the police, calling them
useless, and told their audience on periscope that they would only storm the home
because they were bored and were afraid of children. Right. They reveled in
the thought of shooting at the police and said it would be fun to shoot
at them. Dennis claimed he had shot two dogs before the standoff. However,
there wasn't any evidence of any animals being shot. Horrible. Yeah.
The teams joked about how they were psychopaths. Yeah, that were misunderstood.
Okay, well you're a psychopath. Yeah, sorry to understand you, you
know, right, Oh my goodness. He it's kind of hard to understand
irrational behavior. During the live stream, Katia was seen holding a gun to
Dennis's head with no reaction from him. He was smiling while Katia held the
gun to his head. With all these wild things that they were doing,
friends who were watching the live stream tried to reason with them, telling them
all the things they were risking. Did they get a lot of viewers?
I don't even know how many lot of light. I know, right,
this is so dumb. One person told them to think about their whole life
that they had ahead of them, and to this, Katya said, quote
life ahead. Damn, they don't understand what we've done. Dennis replied with
quote, they will put us in children's prison. Quote. Both Dennis's and
Katya's family tried to reason with them to no avail. At this point.
They haven't killed anybody, so there's still some chance for redemption in a life,
right. They both ignored these pleas made by their parents. The police
were also trying to make contact with Dennis, as they still believed that he
was holding Katya captive. It was just like this huge piscope. They're not
watching periscope. They kept calling out to Dennis. Let Katia go okay,
yeah, little did the police know or like you mentioned, because they weren't
following their live stream. Dennis and Katya had started discussing suicide. Why isn't
anybody from periscope letting, like the police know what's going on? I don't
know, right, like because they're all their teens. Yeah, it must
be right, because there are other teams exactly, you mean people in their
audience, y yeah, yeah, I because they're all dumb focks. That's
why I was. I was the dumbest when I was a teen. The
police were trying to negotiate with Dennis, saying, quote Dennis, calmly,
come out, that's enough, we are all tired. Just don't do stupid
things end quote over a loudspeaker. The police were getting frustrated as there was
really no progress happening. It's kind of just they're all just sitting there and
they put like a smoke bomb and then they would think like that they were
still at a standstill, and they just seemed to be no end in sight.
With the hup of police, Olga convinced the teens to surrender their weapons
to her. The teens walked to the balcony of the property like Olga had
gone over there and said, you know, can you just give me the
weapon? So they walked to this balcony and they dropped down a nice various
Ammo cartridges and guns and told Olga that the only thing left in the house
was a ladle, you know, a coupullshit, Yeah, I don't know,
a weapon, No, I mean, what kind of damage could you
do with a ladle? I mean, you could hit somebody with it.
I don't know. I'll have to, like see if anybody's ever been killed
by a ladle. I bet you someone probably it would be crazy enough.
Dennis's mom collected the weapons and moved them away from the property before going back
to the balcony to continue to talk to them and hopes that they would surrender
themselves. Dennis's mom told the teens that Katya could come to live with them
so she could get away from her abusive parents. That's the last thing I
would want is Katy. She's just trying to get them out. She also
told her son that she would always be there for him and that she loved
him very much. Olga made small talk about the teen's new hairstyles. You
cut your hair, and she's trying anything this poor woman. After chadding for
a while, Dennis asked for forty minutes alone with Katya so they could get
their things together okay, thinking that she finally got through to the pair,
The police and Dennis's mom obliged and gave them the time they asked for.
When the police went through the firearms that they had surrendered, they believed that
they weren't being truthful, and they still had weapons in the house. No
shit, Yeah, no shit right spoiler alert. The owner of the cottage,
who happened to be Katia's stepdad, later confirmed to the police that there
was still one more firearm in the house. In between conversations with his mom,
Dennis was talking to Katia on the live stream about how his mother only
cared now because the police were telling her to act up. Set quote now,
my mom is not so upset. This is just sobl which is the
armed Special Forces told her to say it this way. The forty minutes were
up, and Oga made her way back to the balcony to ask if they
were ready to come out. Dennis told her he wanted another five minutes before
the police came and entered the home, wanting to go in. Oga had
enough and headed toward the door to get inside. She's pretty brave, yeah
she is. She's like, this is fucking bullshit, right, this is
ending. Now, You're getting out of here now craft yea, he were
grounded forever, mister, right. Once the police realized what she was doing,
they ordered her to move away from the door. So she's like,
okay, and she moves away from the house. And while she's doing this,
she tried to call Dennis's phone, but there was no answer. It
had been turned off. Sick of the games the teams were playing, the
police decided to storm the cottage. The police used a flash bang before entering
the house in order to distract the teens. And isn't that like, yeah,
it's really loud, right, yeah, and then it has a big
flash and exactly, yeah, that's what I thought. As they made their
way up to the room where the teens were staying, the police found the
bodies of Katia and Dennis, both with fatal gunshot wounds. During the forty
minutes that Dennis had asked for, the teens continued to stream their standoff on
periscope. You could audibly hear Katya sniffing in the background, and she told
the viewers of live stream she was too afraid to kill herself. They showed
the shotgun that they still had on the stream, and their final moments were
coming to an end. Kati asked Dennis to shoot her. She went and
sat on a couch where the teams filmed most of their streams. Dennis sun
shot her in the face. After he shot Katya, he turned the shotgun
on himself and shot himself as well. Allegedly, Dennis was texting a friend
about shooting Katya. He told his friend that he was going to tell Katya
to turn her back and shoot her from behind so she wouldn't be so scared.
Before they died, both teams wrote a post for their VK accounts and
both read the same, and I'll read it to you. It said,
quote, I love you, but you did not notice how you had ruined
my mind and life. Who is just addressed too? I don't know.
Goodbye all friends, family and acquaintances. Don't worry. I'll leave in a
beautiful way. Good luck to everyone in life. And please don't fear to
live however you want or feel is necessary. A life of pleasure is the
best life. I love you. End quote. It's weird. Yeah,
that's weird. That's not very deep. I know, no goodbye. It
should have just been like goodbye world. I don't know. A life of
pleasure, yeah, just weird. Do whatever you want, Okay, Sometimes
you can't know. Sometimes you got you got kids? No, I can
never do what I want a mom uber Yeah, half the time, I
know exactly, I know, like eighty percent of my life was not doing
what I want right at least at least. Yes, an autopsy was performed
on both Katya and Dennis, and it was assumed that Katia gave Dennis consent
to shoot her before he killed himself. The autopsy showed that they were mildly
intoxicated, but no drugs were found in their system. However, many people
speculate that the teams were unarmed and when the police stormed the building, that
the police actually shot them both. Oh, there's that conspiracy. Yes,
there's a conspiracy theory. But I thought it was all like live streamed.
Yes, exactly, exactly right. So there's the conspiracy that they didn't commit
suicide and that the police killed them. Why would the police go in and
shoot them in the head. Well, you know, during the live stream,
both Katya and us agreed that suicide was not an option, so it
was hard for some people to believe that they would have just done it.
Also, people noticed that in the bodycam footage from the police, you couldn't
hear the gunshots that would have been the fatal shots, and it was supposedly
a shotgun. I mean, those things are loud. Yeah, the autopsy
showed that both teams had been shot around the chin area, which was inconsistent
with those texts that Dennis had said to his friend. You know that he
was going to shoot her from behind, but he also wasn't in a good
frame of mind right right. While the police deny ever shooting the teams,
some people believe that they shot them because Dennis had been randomly shooting and he
had shot a police officer. I don't know, maybe, but I feel
like it's a strateg Like, I mean, fifteen years old, I know
it's kind of fun there, right, Why would they both of them,
maybe just Donnis they could have shot, but why would they shoot hurt?
And then you would think that people on the outside would have heard shots,
right, like their parents would have heard shots. Just see maybe hey we
shot down us, we rescued Katia or something like that. But I shoot
her too. I know, it just doesn't sound I think they were just
they lost the kids, lost their minds. But some people just love conspiracy
theories. They're great. I think they're fun. You know, well this
isn't fun, no, But conspiracy theories don't know what you're saying, Like,
you know, are there aliens did they really land at Raswell maybe maybe
I love that one. Yeah, I do too. That's one of my
favorite And JFK started on that girl. I know that's one of my favorites
too. I mean anyway, Okay, I'm digressing. We are digressing.
I need to get back on subject. After their deaths, investigations were conducted
over how the evidence was mishandled. So I'm gonna tell you. A member
of the forensic team who took photos of the crime scene decided to take the
camera home and allowed their daughter to play with it. Okay, the mother
saw so I'm thinking this was the dad, but some and custody. It's
bad, doesn't mean anything to them. The mom saw the photos and decided
to upload the photos to her VKA account. All which, beware if you
research their case, there are uncensored crime scene pictures of the team's bodies floating
around I know, all thanks to this forensic team member. A privacy investigation
was conducted, but due to a lack of evidence, which I don't see
how her posting on the fucking VK isn't evidence enough, but whatever, the
case was dropped and no criminal charges were filed. Katya's stepfather was also charged
with careless storage of firearms. He said it was in a safe Yeah they
were, But like the other things that were going on the investigation, the
charges were dropped. The head of the District Commissions and the Department of Miners
of the Pisscoff Police Department, who was on duty at the time of the
standoff, was charged with quote improper performance of his duties due to the dishonest
attitude to the service which negligently resulted in the death of two persons. What
does this mean? Can you say? Layman terms? According to the case
file, this person did not fully investigate the circumstances behind the teens running away.
They did not interview any of their friends or family, and also didn't
include a juvenile investigator in their search for the teens. Okay. The chargers
were also dismissed, mostly due to the fact that they could not have predicted
that the teens were going to kill themselves due to the effort made by police.
Right, I mean maybe a little because she was saying she was going
to kill herself earlier. I don't know. It is a stretch. I
think, yeah, you don't think people are going to do that, especially
over. This was I mean, they didn't have a lot of choices.
They can either storm it and have a gunfight, or they can give them
forty minutes to come out right. I don't know. I mean this was
stupid to me, Like they weren't holding anybody hostage, you know, it
could have been, but then they thought that Katia was being held out.
It's true, that's true. Yeah. The school in which Dennis and Katia
attended avoided any criminal liability due to a lack of evidence of any wrongdoing.
And I don't know what the school would do and abused everybody. I know,
everybody's being charge of everything. An abuse of power investigation began against the
local police, which was also dismissed due to a lack of evidence. However,
many people believe that the police would into the cottage with the intention to
neutralize Dennis and Katia by any means. Dennis was laid to rest on November
eighteenth, and Katia's funeral was the very next day. Olga insisted that they'd
be buried together. Is that is what they would have wanted. However,
Katya's mother vehemently objected to the idea. I don't think so, yeah,
they're not buried together, okay, because I have seen their graves and their
headstones, so they weren't they weren't that good together. Now they really were
together. Discussions were had with people from the village and the school about who
was to blame for this tragedy. Because Katy and Dennis both liked to post
things all over their social media accounts, many believed that social media should be
censored or even banned. Allegedly, one of Dennis and Katya's teachers knew about
their toxic relationship and even tried to seek help for them. Despite seeking help
for them, nothing really was done. This teacher said about Dennis and Katia
quote, if I could have gone there, entered the house, took them
by the hand, they would not have resisted. Honestly, that's my opinion.
You know who's to blame is Kati and Dennis for teens. They were
young teens in love and they made some poor choices and it's very sad the
result. But pointing the fingers that everybody else really right, right, it's
just not fair, and then they did make their own choices. Yeah,
I think this teachers feels really bad because she was like, you know,
they just didn't know what to do and I tried to help them, but
no one came. And I do feel bad if Katteo was actually beat but
there are people she probably could have reached out. That's true. But I'm
not blaming. I'm not I'm just saying in the end, I mean,
it's for this very sad story, That's all I'm saying. Yeah, I'm
not fans of teens, but it's very sad story. Yes, it is
a very sad story, just because it could have ended so much differently.
Yeah, and I do believe in redemption. And they were young, Yeah,
they were young. So many felt like we have been disgusting that this
could have all been prevented if they had received help from someone. They also
felt that the shootout was done us and Katy's way of asking or pleading for
help, because nothing hasn't done us in his life in the perfect life,
Okay, it shootout is as a cry for help. As a cry for
help, you know, they should have been given a better way to maybe
get out of the cottage or something. People are saying, I mean,
you know what, hindsight is so shy to you. Oh, this should
have happened I mean, when the ship's going down and he's got guns and
shooting, right, he's got to be considered a threat when he's shooting at
the police. Olga broke her silence after the death of her son and posted
a status online to express the grief she was feeling. She wrote, quote,
you died too early. Our pain cannot be expressed in words. Sleep
my dear son, you were out of pain. We keep the memory of
you in our hearts. I am missing you madly. We terribly miss you.
End quote. I know. And while Dennis had done some terrible things,
Olga just still loved him very much. That's a mom and she wanted
to help him to the last moment. She was ready to go on there.
You kids need to cut this shit out. I mean, I know,
Okay, this is crazy boy. The story of the teen lovers was
made into an opera called Dennis and Katya an Opera an opera Seriously Yes.
It followed the story of the teens, questioning why they would post their final
moments on the Internet, and explores how society reacts to these sort of tragedies.
It was written as a role play where two characters kept switching between the
different roles. Each role shows how different people reacted to the events as they
unraveled online. And no one in it actually plays Dennis and Katia, but
instead they're friends, family members, neighbors, journalists, and they showed different
perspectives from interesting. Yeah, the message the oppera was trying to convey was
people put so much of their lives on the internet in order to get an
audience. Yep. The creators took a unique approach with the opera. As
the teens had streamed online, they decided that rather than having a conductor like,
it was just different. Like, instead of having a conductor, the
musicians and the singers would have earpieces to move the story. Alonge was just
different. I mean, I've only been to one opera in my life.
I would like somebody that would go to the opera. If Motley Crue had
an opera, I would go. I've been to an opera at the met
in New York City, so fancy. Well, it was a school trip
my daughter with so it was an organized activity. It wasn't anything I did
voluntarily. Well I guess it was voluntarily I went, but it was fun.
It was an interesting experience anyway. I mean, it was interesting the
opera one the Fedora Generally Prize for Opera in twenty nineteen. Residents of the
village are still shaken by the events that transpired I November fourteen, twenty sixteen.
People are still uncertain on whether the police killed the teens or if they
had committed suicide, and there are many social media accounts in honor of them
to continue their memory and spread awareness so others can get help. And they
is the end of my sad story of young kids are dumb, I know,
and they just oh man, so young. I know. It's just
sad to me. Their parents can a man gin No one of my kids
doing you know what I mean. I would be like I make jokes about
teens and all that, but it's really really sad. There were other other
ways, you know out Yeah, it just went to extremes, right,
Like I went from like zero to sixty, and like you know, there
was no taking a breather trying to figure things out. You know, it
just went by. Like you said, they were almost like playing the role
of Bonnie and Clyde like it was some sort of cool game game. Yeah,
but the reality is their choice was it forever choice? Right, which
is really sad. Well, thank you everyone for listening to this week's episode.
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