1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:13,320 in the UK and around the world. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:19,679 the Paranormal UK Radio Network. Since the beginning of time, people have argued 4 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:26,480 about the existence of ghosts. They've been called variously raped, affectors, phantoms, 5 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:33,079 apparitions, shadows or shades, but everyone agrees that if there are such 6 00:00:33,119 --> 00:01:38,040 things as ghosts play out the souls of dead persons haunting living persons. You 7 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:44,760 are listening to paranorl Dimensions for the paranorl the UK Radio network is there. 8 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,959 Hello, and welcome to the show, the first show of twenty twenty four. 9 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,640 Happy new year, everybody, another year we'll be You'll get a little 10 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:05,120 bit older now as this show is going out on January eighth. Everyone knows 11 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:08,960 I'm a big Elvis fan who would have been eighty nine today. Happy birthday, 12 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:13,879 Elvis, wherever you are, right onto this show, the first of 13 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:17,439 twenty twenty four. I have another lady guest that I have had the pleasure 14 00:02:17,479 --> 00:02:21,919 of meeting a couple of times. She runs her own show as well, 15 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:27,840 and her show has been award nominated also, and it's called Paranormal Path and 16 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:31,360 her name is Jacqueline Dixon. So I take great pleasure in welcoming Jacqueline to 17 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:36,520 the show. Jacqueline Dixon. Hello, Jacqueline, Welcome to the show. 18 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,080 Hi David. How are you. I'm fine? Thank you. I hope 19 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,199 you're okay. In the new year. Oh yeah, cool, Yeah, 20 00:02:45,439 --> 00:02:47,599 it start you on last year, so hopefully new year news start and all 21 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:52,000 that. Yeah, and what a fantastic year twenty twenty three was, you 22 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:53,360 know, in the paranormal sense. I know, there's been a lot of 23 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:59,000 other stuff going on that's lot so good. But I mean I've had a 24 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:04,479 very interesting year the perill sense of things. I know you ever as well. 25 00:03:04,719 --> 00:03:07,680 We've both been nominated for the GP and Award, I know, different 26 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:14,800 categories. Head. Yeah, that's looking at Yeah. I was surprised by 27 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:16,400 that because I just do it. You know, I've done a podcast for 28 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,840 about and a half years now, and you just do it. I did 29 00:03:20,879 --> 00:03:24,400 it because the COVID, you know, I didn't what to do, and 30 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,319 like Neil was startting it up, and I thought, yeah, I'll have 31 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:34,919 a go and sent an audition piece to Kelly Alice and you had to audition 32 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,039 for did Yeah, I had to audition and like, oh gosh, that 33 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,680 first one I did, Oh my gosh. And now it seems forever, 34 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,680 doesn't it on your first one, On your first one one, my first 35 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:50,759 ones, I was doing two hours and then I did three two l ones 36 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,520 I think it was. And then then I decided what I'm going to do 37 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,599 is do an hour every week, and still was it? It was, 38 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,080 oh yeah, it was two hours every two weeks. So what I said, 39 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:04,759 I said, I'll do an hour every week rather than two hours. 40 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:10,800 There be two weeks. I thought it might be easier that way. But 41 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:15,000 now I'm down to one show every two weeks now, but I do then 42 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,480 I'll do some specials in between sometimes, so well say specials, they're sort 43 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:23,920 of extra ones where you've got too many guests backed up and you're sort of, 44 00:04:24,879 --> 00:04:26,759 you know, you sort of try to make a special out of it. 45 00:04:26,959 --> 00:04:29,519 But anyway, that's that's kind of the way I'll do it. But 46 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:32,600 anyway, twenty twenty four looks very promising. So I don't know where we're 47 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:38,000 going to feel with this GPN Awards, which is the Ghost Planet Network Award. 48 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:44,399 I think you're up for the podcast. The podcast one you'll put yours 49 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,360 is part of the the GPN, isn't it, whereas mine's an independent one. 50 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,720 Yeah, that's right, So we're not we're not strictly against each other. 51 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,839 But so I was amazed to be nominated myself. Well I'm sure you 52 00:04:58,879 --> 00:05:01,560 were as well. Well that's it, you know, to be honest, 53 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:08,040 the nominations came out, I didn't really look, and somebody make Well Bank 54 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,160 from New Zealand actually contacted me and said, oh look at this. It's 55 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:18,439 like, oh my gosh. Yeah. So I know everyone shared it about 56 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:21,480 anyway, but to actually end up in the results, the end results, 57 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:26,560 I was amazed. I was in the last three for it. So even 58 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:30,240 just to be nominated is actually winning anyway, with the winner low it is. 59 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,360 You know, somebody's like pot out for you, haven't they have nominated 60 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:38,959 for them? You know, I'm so grateful really, when you're thinking about 61 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,519 the hundreds of podcasts are all out there, it's quite amazing coming on the 62 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,839 final three. Brilliant. Anyway, we don't want to keep waving around about 63 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:59,199 your your your podcast is called Paranormal Paranormal Paranormal Part So tell us a bit 64 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,319 about that what You probably come with much the same sort of thing as I 65 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:05,399 do, don't you. Yeah, I just picked well, I just I 66 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:12,079 don't know. I just select people throughout the field, mainly paranormal, which 67 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,600 is the area I know more, but then uthology, cryptids, things like 68 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:20,800 that. So like some of the topics intrigue me. But at the same 69 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:26,480 time, if you speak about a topic, if you really don't understand it, 70 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,240 it's hard with the questions, isn't it, you know? And that's 71 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,120 I need to kind of push myself more. I think in that direction. 72 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:39,639 I have speak spoken to Preston done it three times now and is absolutely amazing 73 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:45,680 on uthology that side of things. And yeah, I mean it's one person 74 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:49,079 or I haven't had a more show yet, but I think he's some yeah, 75 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:54,879 incredible and you know the people who have the knowledge and all these different 76 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:06,199 aspects of paranormal and it's great, isn't it. Conversations and everything. Yeah. 77 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,639 No, So I know you had some rising guests and I think you've 78 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:15,399 probably metted you. You probably had similar ones to me and Tom's. But 79 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,480 so I know you do a lot of events as well. I know I 80 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:24,160 do understand that recently you are quite a big event that ended up in the 81 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:32,120 newspapers as well. Yeah, it's so well. Basically I interviewed Tony Ferguson 82 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,560 on my podcast and at the time he mentioned he was going to Scotland. 83 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,959 And I went to Scotland in September and I was just putting up a tent 84 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:48,839 at Klayan Castle and realized that he was posting photos of Killeen Castle. Turned 85 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:54,480 out he was up there so I can'tacted him and said, oh, yeah, 86 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,839 you're right there where I am. You know, I'm on the camp 87 00:07:56,879 --> 00:07:59,839 site there. So he sort of said, oh, you want to come 88 00:07:59,839 --> 00:08:05,120 and meet me. So suggested like half an hour drive down the coast and 89 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:11,040 near Girvan direction and we met up in this cave with Debby who was with 90 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:18,439 him, and we did this investigation and we got help. We did five 91 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,600 minute vigils each. So I stood in the cave of said oh, you 92 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:26,519 know, if you're here, can you make a sign? And a stone 93 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,600 got thrown or it sounds like a stone got thrown. Nobody else in the 94 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:35,240 area. Tony and Dabi were outside outside the cave. Only of the sound 95 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,000 was the sea. Well it certainly wasn't that, and then the footage just 96 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,799 went viral sort of thing, and then they ended up in the papers through 97 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:48,840 that, and then I got invited to the nunnery. So there were nine 98 00:08:48,879 --> 00:08:54,480 of us a lot of time. Well, we worked together at one stage 99 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:01,720 and then split up and he put some footage out none swearing or well, 100 00:09:01,879 --> 00:09:05,399 swearing at the nunnery. Yeah, I'm not quite sure if it was nouns 101 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,799 or who it was, but yeah, they was swearing at Manunna and that 102 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:13,320 was it kind of went viral. It's ended up in the US UK papers. 103 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:18,879 So yeah, it's very exciting, really, isn't it. It's it's 104 00:09:18,919 --> 00:09:24,159 different. Some of what the press say is odd, Like you know, 105 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:30,559 they gay the paranormal experts. That's a great big no. But you know 106 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,080 they've got to sell their papers and stuff, haven't they. So yeah, 107 00:09:35,399 --> 00:09:39,679 very but oh my gosh, it's just an amazing night, it really was. 108 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:48,720 And what Natalie does with these locations. She takes on these locations mainly 109 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:56,879 abandoned, makes them safe and then cares for them and then paranormal teams come 110 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:01,639 in. So it's just incredible what she does. Mm hmm. And how 111 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,639 do you look on your events when you go to them. Are you looking 112 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:09,279 for scary things or actually looking for to rescue spirits and what be in trouble? 113 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:18,000 I'm I'm looking for more personal experiences. I'm looking to try and get 114 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:24,039 a story. I've been doing development eight nine years, and I can sometimes 115 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:31,279 communicate personally with them, so I can sort of pick up I get images 116 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:37,039 and ahead things like that and sort of have some sort of communication with them. 117 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,879 But then, you know, I like mixing with different people as well, 118 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:46,000 a combination of different energies, So I just basically want to know, 119 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,559 you know, who they are, what's happened to them, and if there 120 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,159 is a way that can help them. Sure, because you know, you 121 00:10:52,159 --> 00:10:58,200 get all these locations and you get new people in every week or every night 122 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,000 in some locations and think, oh, here we go again. But you 123 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:05,519 don't want to be that person asking the same questions, do you? And 124 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,600 a lot fall into that trap, you know, as do I you know 125 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,960 sometimes because I host events as well. Yeah, like where do you start? 126 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:20,519 But I'm just intrigued And it's a history, isn't it? Absolutely? 127 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,799 Yeah? The history of these places probably really interests me more than anything, 128 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,720 you know, right, So you did they have like a paranormal events sort 129 00:11:28,759 --> 00:11:31,840 of way back in the past sort of thing. Well, that's right, 130 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,240 like Victorian era, wasn't it when it started doing seances and things like that. 131 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,200 But you really, you know, we really don't know what sort of 132 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,360 happened in the past because it's not a sort of topic which could be mentioned, 133 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,440 is it. No. I mean generally do you do you get things 134 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:54,759 happening on every every sort of investigation? You do? Yes, And I 135 00:11:54,799 --> 00:12:00,440 know and I know a lot say you can't possibly, I don't know. 136 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:05,000 Energy is the people I work with as well, So you know, I 137 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:09,200 do go on public events and you know you might get K two flashing or 138 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,720 something like that. That's fine. I do try and tap in obviously to 139 00:12:13,879 --> 00:12:18,039 the energies of spirit and try and stop pick up information from them. And 140 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,440 if you can get a name and a date then it can be validated. 141 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:26,840 That's fantastic. If I can hear the stories, that is amazing. I 142 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:33,399 had a really strange I picked up on a very strange story in Shepton Mallet 143 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:41,279 and that was really kind of heartbreaking. So basically, there weren't many of 144 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:48,679 us there and I sat where the prisoner sat to receive a visitor so I 145 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,720 sat there and I picked up on this gentleman. I was going to film 146 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:58,279 it, but then I started picking up on a case and something what had 147 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,159 happened so basic. He made out that was in the wrong place at the 148 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,440 wrong time, that was walking by, and basically this woman was murdered and 149 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,840 it's near a park. And I do know more details, but I'm not 150 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:15,519 going to give because it was about nineteen seventies, so you think his family 151 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,240 is probably still around, as are the victims, so I don't, you 152 00:13:20,279 --> 00:13:24,200 know, so I'm not mentioning too many specifics. But he kept giving this 153 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:31,600 information out. And I saw various features as well. I saw a lake, 154 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,440 and I saw swans on the lake, and I saw what happened to 155 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:39,120 this lady. But while he was telling his story, he kept, you 156 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,879 know, he kept making out, you know, he wasn't guilty and everything, 157 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,919 but the more he said it made it obvious he was. And it 158 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,600 seemed that I was probably the first person ever that he told the real story 159 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:56,159 to through mediumshit, which you know, and I think it's like he wanted 160 00:13:56,159 --> 00:14:01,559 me to tell the victim's family that it wasn't deliberate, it was an accident, 161 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:07,559 and I think that's probably why he can't rest. And you know, 162 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:09,919 he just saw me, you know, he told me what happened. And 163 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:13,639 but you know, it's not a sort of thing you can sort of go 164 00:14:13,759 --> 00:14:16,600 up to if you can ever find the family. That is, I have 165 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:22,840 tried googling. I wouldn't contact the family unless no, well, I don't 166 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:26,440 know, but unless I wanted some closure, you know, because you wouldn't 167 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,600 You wouldn't sort of go up, would you. So you know, I 168 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:33,200 did have a look because I was given the name of the park and things 169 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:37,600 like that. But yeah, it's just interesting. But right at the end 170 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:45,159 of it, i'd got SB seven and twice as clear as anything, it 171 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:50,960 came out I must apologize. And it came out that twice really, so 172 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,799 it's not as if it was picking up a radio because it wasn't picking up 173 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,960 any of the sound, and it was so clear. Got me to come 174 00:15:00,279 --> 00:15:03,080 twice as well. I was saying, that's ry exactly. I don't tend 175 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:09,000 to use SB seven. So that's really the only only proper evidence I've got 176 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:13,840 from one and I didn't record it. So but yeah, it's just a 177 00:15:13,879 --> 00:15:18,759 fascinating story. But oh my gosh, so sad and if you're picking up 178 00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:22,879 on something like that, you know you're not to make judgment either, are 179 00:15:22,919 --> 00:15:28,120 you. It's really weird because you do communicate with these evil people in places. 180 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,679 Yeah, and you know, and sometimes the images can be rather graphic 181 00:15:33,759 --> 00:15:39,320 as well. Yeah, yeah, well I'm saying, yeah, I mean 182 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,799 I'm not psychic at all. Well, I mean we're all a little bit 183 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,159 honest. Yeah, you can learn, you can open up. I always 184 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,679 thought that if I went to a location, I need a brick throwing at 185 00:15:50,679 --> 00:15:56,279 me before you know, I'd realize anything was around me. I don't know, 186 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,840 you know, eight years of shutting up and things. So yes, 187 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,480 you're you know, is that kind of when you were when you didn't have 188 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,360 any sort of childhood the experiences at all, or did you have things you've 189 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,080 forgotten about that? Not, to be honest, I would have been too 190 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,960 scared. I think if there was a ghost around, I would have been 191 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,039 too scared. I wouldn't have been able to handle it. And the same 192 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,320 with this sort of thing, you're only given what you can actually handle. 193 00:16:26,279 --> 00:16:30,000 Yeah, So I would have been too scared. And mediumship found me before 194 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,840 I lost my mom, So I just kind of did it for a laugh 195 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,120 in a way because there's a local group and they're doing ghost hunting once a 196 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,279 fortnight, mediumship once a fortnight, and I thought, oh, I just 197 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,480 do it for the ghost hunting inside of things and the medium ship that, 198 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,240 you know, I thought, no, I cared. You know, anyone 199 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:52,919 can say, oh, there's a John there, he likes blue, so 200 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,919 I thought, you know, because people do cold reading as well, don't 201 00:16:56,919 --> 00:17:00,840 they. So you know, I weren't impressed. But that and a couple 202 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:03,279 of meadings came out with the same story and I thought, yeah, okay, 203 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:08,440 it's a load of rubbish, but so you were actually a non Bluba. 204 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:15,000 Yeah. I didn't believe in mediumship at all. And the only mediums 205 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:22,079 I've ever seen was I went to an event in two thousand and three and 206 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,920 there's a medium. We're there and they're on the stairs of a location. 207 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:30,440 They're waving their arms like like they got possessed and they got whatever character coming 208 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:36,440 through them, and it's just laughable, you know, And it really didn't 209 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,599 help me to believe. And in a way as well, I was scared 210 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,880 in case you went to a medium and they say, oh, yeah, 211 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:48,960 you're going to die soon, or which you tell you, yeah, that's 212 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:52,519 it sort of not allowed to you know, they phrase it differently or they 213 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:56,240 wouldn't be shown that sort of thing as well. But you know, and 214 00:17:56,279 --> 00:18:02,799 I just did that and then slowly, you know, started picking up on 215 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,200 things a bit, and it's a bit like strange and yeah, so it 216 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:12,200 is fascinating, it really is. When you had me on your show a 217 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:17,480 little a few months and I told you the story about when I was with 218 00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:21,880 the Purple Mister, I've mentioned it several songs all the show, so I'm 219 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,359 not going to go through it again. But but yeah, that was kind 220 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,759 of my young I just wondered if you might have had, you know, 221 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:33,839 something like that happened to. You know. The weirdest experience I think was 222 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:38,960 as a teenager. So you know, you meet someone, we're still at 223 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,279 school, so we just used to walk around at night, you know, 224 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,920 you walk down the streets and stuff, and there's a little village and then 225 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,680 we went over a field and we're just walking back and I looked back and 226 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:55,759 within the trees there used to be a house, and I just felt that 227 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:00,359 this girl was looking at me through the windows of the house, and I 228 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,880 felt like I had to walk towards it, I felt like I couldn't stop 229 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,559 looking at it, and it's really weird. And then I found out, 230 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,200 like because I'm trying to write a book as well, that the house was 231 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:15,720 actually not down in nineteen sixty eight, so like no way on if you 232 00:19:15,759 --> 00:19:19,720 know, because this was like the eighties, so it's just weird, how 233 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:23,759 you know. I felt like something was watching me, and in my mind's 234 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:27,960 eye now I can see her like looking at me through through like a window 235 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:32,839 with bars on it sort of thing, just looking and yeah, so I 236 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,359 don't that was like I didn't mention it to my boyfriend at the time because 237 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:41,000 it's just random, you know, like somebody, Well, yeah, the 238 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,039 house don't even exists, so that would have been worse story, wasn't it 239 00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:48,799 not the time? But yeah, I know you said you did it for 240 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:52,799 a laugh. Actually yeah, beginning in my mind, you were probably guided 241 00:19:53,079 --> 00:19:57,319 actually to actually get an interest in it, because you must have had some 242 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:02,799 sort of an interest anyway. I was interested in the paranormal, so it's 243 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:07,839 the once fortnight paranormal that was interested in because I had In two thousand and 244 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:15,359 two we watched Most Haunted. So that Christmas in New Year me and my 245 00:20:15,559 --> 00:20:19,160 X made a New Year's resolution to find out if ghosts existed. So we 246 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:25,000 actually had internet at the time and we had a personal computer because he worked 247 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:30,039 in it. So it went on and actually booked two events. One was 248 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:33,920 at Derby Jail Jason Carl a ghost walk. One was that the Galleries of 249 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:40,440 Justice in Nottingham, which was a ghost hunt. So they were like the 250 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:48,279 first paranormal events I did. So yeah, and I just we did get 251 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:53,000 things through, things we couldn't explain. It's really scary when you do the 252 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,759 first one as well at the time, you know, now when something happens, 253 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:02,799 Yeah, I mean yeah, as teenagers, did you actually do the 254 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,960 Wigi board and things like that, like most of us did that wouldn't I 255 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:11,920 really wouldn't know. Now, I think I was scared of ghosts in a 256 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,400 way, scared of the thought of it. Yeah, yeah, I think 257 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,640 Imon mentioned this on your show. We used to do the Wisi board and 258 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,480 we had a friend who didn't believe in it. There was my girlfriend and 259 00:21:25,519 --> 00:21:27,960 her friend and her boyfriend sort of thing, and he didn't believe in any 260 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,960 of it at all. And one night, I mean I probably told this 261 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,880 story before, So yes, to excuse if you've heard it all, but 262 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:37,720 yeah, one night we said to him, look, you go sit in 263 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,480 the corner over there, get a piece of paper and write something on a 264 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,160 piece on the piece of paper and we'll see if pick of ask the spirit 265 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,680 to tell us what it is. And he said, oh, you know, 266 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,640 I'll do it. You know, he's sat in the corner right he 267 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:56,920 was made sure we couldn't see it. And we started asking that the well, 268 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,319 basically we're saying it was you wi baard what it was? It was 269 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,960 all paper was put around the table in a glass. That those basically the 270 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,400 way we used to do it. Anyway, this the glass started splitting out 271 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,279 g u n. After we'd asked what's what you'd what he'd written, and 272 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,160 he went he went white because what he did he held up his bit of 273 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,720 paper. He hadn't written the word gne. He actually draw a picture of 274 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,279 Oh wow, yeah, you know that was actually we all looked at each 275 00:22:23,319 --> 00:22:26,720 other in amazement and think, wow, that was that? That that is 276 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,799 some evidence, because there's no way that we could see what he'd done, 277 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:33,640 and he knew we couldn't see what he'd done, so we all sort of 278 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,480 looked at each other in amazement. Really that was like a yeah, yeah, 279 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:41,680 it's quite well coming. If you think about it's quite an unusual thing 280 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:47,799 to right or or even draw really, I mean I think something more common 281 00:22:47,799 --> 00:22:49,759 would have been a car or a ship or something. You know, that's 282 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:55,079 right, But your first experience can be scary because if you are in denial, 283 00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:57,839 something to happen and it's like, oh, okay, yeah. We 284 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,559 did have some scary one where the glass used to spin around the table really 285 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:07,400 really fast, you know, call numbers off the table or that, yeah, 286 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,200 trying to try to throw itself off the table. And we always used 287 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:17,440 to light a candle as well in the middle and we'd find the flame going 288 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:22,039 right up high and then going right down I was almost going out, and 289 00:23:22,079 --> 00:23:26,839 then go right up high again, you know, as more evidence type of 290 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,960 thing, you know, because we'd ask we'd actually ask the spirit if it 291 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,720 could do something with the flame, and it would do that. The flame 292 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:36,240 would go right up and then go right down as if it was going to 293 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:40,079 go out, and then clear right up again. It's quite amazing, but 294 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:45,880 that was my kind of earliest experiences. But anyway, I'm getting coded away 295 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:52,119 because this is your show not but yeah, I know you mentioned the Noting 296 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,000 now the Nottingham Halls of Justice or is it the Justice Museum. I know 297 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:03,480 it was the galleries if just that's right. It became I forgot the National 298 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:10,559 Justice Museum now when I was a sixth form I did government and politics at 299 00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:17,000 or sixth form. I don't know why. I think it's just tickbox really. 300 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:21,480 And as part of that, we actually got to watch a trial at 301 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:26,599 the court which is now the galleries of just National Justice Museum. So it's 302 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:33,759 fascinating. So it's a big trial and we went in. We sat at 303 00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:37,160 the top, you know, overlooking the proceedings and everything, and we saw 304 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,119 people get sworn in and everything. So it's really interesting. Sereal trial. 305 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,519 You don't think anything of it, you know, you're there, it's a 306 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,640 court. And then years later to actually be going around looking for ghosts. 307 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:55,200 It's a bit different, isn't it. It is here. I've been there 308 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,200 twice so far. I understand I'm going there again next year as well. 309 00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:03,640 But was it you You were the same time as me, weren't you? 310 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:08,160 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we did that. Brian Kino was over, 311 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:12,920 wasn't he. Yes, I had a bit of an issue and I know 312 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,720 why now. Yeah, a spirit got far too close to me, and 313 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:22,920 it was in the ladies. Ladies, there's some room in there whether you 314 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,039 used to put the women prisoners who were pregnant, so we used to leave 315 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:32,720 them in there. And then it's also where I had one of my first 316 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,480 paranormal encounters as well, which is odd, but yeah, in there and 317 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:41,480 one of the spirits got too close and I couldn't really shake him off. 318 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:45,240 And I managed to walk from there, which is like near the basement, 319 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,799 so you've got a lot of steps, a lot of corners, and it's 320 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,920 quite amazed to get back to the baseroom. So I made it all the 321 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,000 way up there to the baseroom, walked in, got marched out straight away 322 00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:03,359 because my eyes look black and I've got something with me, so they've actually 323 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,680 looked after me, you know, just took me outside so I could free 324 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:11,039 himself with this light energy. Because like Brian Kane like witnessed it as well, 325 00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:14,519 I thought, oh my gosh, you know, but you know, 326 00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:19,000 it's a goost something and it is what happens. And yeah, it turns 327 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:25,240 out that that place is a massive link to my past life. So I've 328 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:32,519 just sort of worked out exactly what did happen in my past life. It 329 00:26:33,799 --> 00:26:41,680 is a long story basically, but I used to well my second both past 330 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:45,480 life, I was based in Nottingham once in the twelve hundreds as a peasant 331 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,519 and the second time was in the eighteen hundreds, and he actually worked for 332 00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:56,880 the judge. So there's a judge John who if you ever go to a 333 00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,480 National Justice Museum, he often makes an appearance here or so makes an appearance 334 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,759 at the Robin Hood Legacy and two of the pubs as well in the town, 335 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,079 which are all opening his day. Yeah, I've heard about that. 336 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:14,079 I'll just interrupt you apparently, don't if you get a transfiguration medium. He 337 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,160 actually starts to change his face, doesn't he John. Oh yeah, it 338 00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:26,240 is nasty. He's been to my house before. Yeah. So yeah, 339 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:30,680 I've got links for the past life and if I mentioned his stories sometimes he'll 340 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:38,000 come close to me. But basically I was just chatting about my sort of 341 00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:42,039 experiences with him on one of the podcasts and one of my friends Patricia and 342 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,599 Farah says, you've got a link to the Galleries of Justice and you were 343 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:52,880 hung there And it turns out that actually worked for this just John I used 344 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,200 to take money. They used to do cock fighting in Nottingham and he used 345 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,240 to take money. I was a male at the time and I don't know 346 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:06,519 what happened, but I was called up to trial and that's as far as 347 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:10,319 my past life got because I bailed out because I thought, yeah, you 348 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,160 know, a medium said I'm going to be hung and I'm not going to 349 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,359 go that far up with it, you know, so I pull myself out 350 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,480 of the past life. But he's sort of like when I went to the 351 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,440 galleries, he just did hang around me and you know, just feel his 352 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:32,960 energy and he didn't get overpowering at times. And it now turns out I 353 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:38,720 did go once and Gary Fields was tuning in and I went and sat in 354 00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:42,599 the judge's chair and then Gary, you know, he was miles away, 355 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,039 probably where he lives, and then he put on the Facebook. At that 356 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,559 time he's cheesed off. Now, well, he didn't know I'd god and 357 00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:53,039 sat in his chair, so we had a sneaky sit in the chair, 358 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,359 then go back to join the group and then look at my Facebook and that's 359 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,799 it. You know, he'd said he was cheessed off, So even Gary 360 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,000 Fields was picking up the energy, and Gary picks up the date that I 361 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,839 died in a past life as well, eighteen sixty eight. But when you 362 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:15,200 look at the history, nobody was hung then and it's only recently. Mandy 363 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,839 Wessel, haunted historian. I got herd to look at his name because I've 364 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,160 done a lot of investigations and he's come through. And he came through somebody 365 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,000 in trance once and he gave his name as John Black, and he wasn't 366 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:34,920 happy about mentioning his surname, but he also mentioned other things. He asked 367 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:40,480 a series of questions, and years later I asked the same questions and got 368 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:44,079 the same answers through as well. And one of them is like do you 369 00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:48,240 read and write? And it's no, Like you'd always expect for some reason 370 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,720 or judge to read and write, but for whatever reason he doesn't didn't. 371 00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:56,079 So you know, whether it's money and power in those days, you know, 372 00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,240 it's a different way of living, wasn't it. You know? Who 373 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:03,640 knows? Wow? And then Mandy West one day, after finding out the 374 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:10,400 information of his name and everything, she contacted me and she she's she's a 375 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,559 medium as well, and she says I've got a link here to Nottingham Caves 376 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:18,960 and your past live. They started reply and said, yeah, Nottingham is 377 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,000 full of caves, you know, they're everywhere, and and then I said, 378 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,279 oh no, and all of a sudden I clicked that I was probably 379 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:36,880 thrown in the ubliet so basically in aubliet. So an ubliat is basically generally 380 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,400 in a castle. So what they do they just throw people down the hole 381 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,839 with no food and stuff and just leave them to roll. I don't think 382 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:51,440 i've heard that word before. Yeah, so they're just thrown in and that's 383 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,240 it, you know, just left to starve and die basically. And as 384 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,079 soon as you know this, I thought this is it, and my hairs 385 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:06,000 were standing on the back of my neck and everything, and you just kind 386 00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:11,519 of, I don't know, it just made sense. So then I googled 387 00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:18,359 and found out that the Ubliette was actually discovered in twenty fifteen and they actually 388 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:23,440 wanted funding to actually go and check it out because obviously it hasn't been looked 389 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,200 at and the odds are the remains still there. So it's well on hell 390 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,759 of a weird story. When I told Mandy West the story. It took 391 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:37,039 me about an hour because there's there's so many like things that have happened within 392 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:44,559 my paranormal journey what link into it. There's so many coincidences. It's really 393 00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,680 odd, but yeah, fascinating, it really is. So when you when 394 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,400 you mentioned the gallows that you were hang, remember seeing those gallos gallows in 395 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,240 there? Yeah? There wasn't I down a hole. That's what I'm saying. 396 00:31:56,519 --> 00:32:00,559 When you said you were hang, remember seeing those Yeah? Yeah, 397 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,359 thinking well you you're probably hung there. But obviously the gallows are actually on 398 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,720 the step up front, so as you go into the building, you've got 399 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:13,240 all those steps. Yeah, so that's where the original gallows were. So 400 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,880 see, yeah they've moved them. Well they're just yeah what they might have 401 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:22,680 hung people around the back as well, But generally with this sort of thing, 402 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:25,240 it was a great public event. You know, it's great fun. 403 00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:30,920 Wasn't it something to do on a whatever day? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 404 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,000 it was. It was you know that, Yeah, stay out? 405 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:37,559 Wasn't it for him? I imagine? I thought most people deserved it. 406 00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:43,200 So the go out and enjoy the water. Oh yeah, I must have 407 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,319 steal a loaf of bridge or something. Yeah, but that happened, doesn't 408 00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:53,119 it. Yeah, it's terrible. I think I mentioned I had an event 409 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:59,119 there with Malcolm Robinson. Actually, Malcolm, we were actually coming up from 410 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,680 down what I told you this before already, But we were coming up the 411 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,880 steps from the downstairs because they've got like cells down right down the bottom and 412 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,440 there's the steps that come up back up to the courtrooms. And we were 413 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,599 coming up in the dark, so it was pitch dark. We were coming 414 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,839 up the steps and all a sudden there was a sharp crack behind us. 415 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:21,079 Because I remember you mentioned about the stone in the cave, a similar thing 416 00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:24,119 happened there with us. There was a sharp crack on the steps behind us, 417 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:29,440 and we both sort of startled and we both looked at each other, 418 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,759 but what the hell was that? And Malcolm got his I think it was 419 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:36,119 his phone. He got out and he shot it down the steps and we 420 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,920 saw a stone, or Malcolm saw a stone sitting in the corner. Wow, 421 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,400 and we wondered if it was there. He picked it up and it 422 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,200 was warm. That's brilliant. You know he's still got that stone apparently. 423 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:52,079 But oh, I didn't you see I found the uli at We kind of 424 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:57,920 know where the location is and there's a really horrible cave right at the bottom 425 00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:04,359 of the nash was just this museum, Yeah there is. It's yeah, 426 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,599 it's just it's disgusting, isn't it. It's got this like mannequin thing, 427 00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:13,039 but it's not a manech and it's like rags, and it's that's right in 428 00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:16,400 the dark as you walking, really grow someone's standing there. Yeah, that's 429 00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:21,480 right. I think the thing is with that that stone. But what we 430 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,239 what happened with us? Now, normally if you throw a stone or concrete, 431 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,519 you hear it bouncing, you know, not just one sharp crack. 432 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:36,559 So I can only assume that what what Machael picks up and that was warm 433 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:38,639 we could I'm only assuming that's what it was. It calls that crack. 434 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:45,639 We couldn't see anything else around that could have caused it. So Malchael seems 435 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:49,079 to think it might have been some sort of a but it's actually in the 436 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,039 book, actually the Paranormal Case Folds of Great Britain, volume three. I 437 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:58,360 think it is. Yeah, that was that was my experience that not even 438 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,639 ares of Justice and the Wall, the galleries of Justice, justice music. 439 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,559 But when I went, when I went just off a cave. There was 440 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:15,559 actual there's a grid and that's where the ubiliet was, all right, Yeah, 441 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:21,519 so we had a stone thrown us there. So we found the stone 442 00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:30,199 and that was quite big in the building. So just as you come out 443 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,440 of the cave, you've just got a metal grid and that's about where the 444 00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:39,519 ubliet is. And you heard this stone here and like we couldn't work out 445 00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:43,960 where it had come from. That was the thing, And like it was 446 00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:50,159 quite a way in the war wall where there was possibly where the stone would 447 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,440 come from, but it would just fall down to the ground. It wouldn't 448 00:35:54,480 --> 00:36:01,199 come in that direction. It was just too this nowhere above where the stone 449 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,199 was where it would have fell from, if you know what I mean. 450 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,239 And it was just too far away. Other than it being thrown, it 451 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:14,639 was just interesting. Yes, obviously I didn't get it on video. No, 452 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:15,960 no, of course, no, no, you don't get things on 453 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:20,920 that. Do your own video. No working on it. I've started bringing 454 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,159 the camera out with me, so yeah, I see what I can and 455 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:29,440 get. But yeah, so what so we never really had any things happening. 456 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,320 So you were young, when you were young, so were you interested 457 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:37,480 in not horror movies and paranormal movies and stuff. As a ghost, I 458 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:42,440 kind of watched horror movies. H yeah, you kind of watch them, 459 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,519 all right. I laughed at the Exorcist. I went to see it when 460 00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:51,360 it came out out again, so the first time they allowed it back in 461 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,840 the cinemas, I just found it so funny. It was just our dear. 462 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:01,639 But yeah, yeah, I know I've had it's funny. I never 463 00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:05,199 found it funny. I must have been always thought it was. It was 464 00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:07,119 a good field its day. Yeah, but I didn't watch it in its 465 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:10,760 day, you know, because it did band it prages, didn't they Then 466 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,000 when they brought it out again after it had been banned, it was, 467 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:20,800 you know, it was. It's kind of I guess. Yeah. It's 468 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,719 kind of quite dated by them, wasn't it. I suppose I just found 469 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:30,199 it weird, to be fair, Maybe I didn't believe it. Maybe you 470 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,800 know it just yeah. No, Also, ask you do you believe that 471 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:42,480 there are such things as demons and things that need exercising? I don't know. 472 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:51,840 You can get spirit near you. How many exorcisms were actually required? 473 00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:00,400 What? What where an exorcism is required or if it's a mental health is 474 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:06,519 she. I don't know. I know people who have had had to have 475 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,800 help in the houses, and I believe their stories, and that's it, 476 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:15,880 isn't it. But yeah, I don't think that there were as many as 477 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:21,039 what occurred sort of thing. They might have occurred, but maybe they shouldn't 478 00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:28,000 have had might have been a logical reason relate to the person rather than circumstances. 479 00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:30,360 Yeah. I think the majority of spirits that we come up against, 480 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,159 I'll say we, in a general sense of us all go out on things. 481 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,000 They use your other mischievous spirits or bad tempered spirits or just normal people 482 00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:45,840 like all of us. Yeah, that's right. There are other things around. 483 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,840 Yeah, that's right, you know. And if you get angels, 484 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:59,519 maybe get demons as well. You know, I haven't. I did take 485 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,559 part Neil does see demon files. It did take part in one of those, 486 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,920 and it was a live one, and I did get imagery of something 487 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:14,639 I couldn't explain, so I can't. I can't quite remember now. I 488 00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:20,960 think it had like kangaroo legs sort of you know how the legs bend sort 489 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:30,920 of thing rather than human and then not necessarily not overly, no, just 490 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:38,360 seeing like the dog's legs really like Little Paul's you know, like kangaroo yeah 491 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,639 that way, yeah, and like with a sort of human body sort of 492 00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:47,880 thing and something else. And but the imagery did match the picture that they 493 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,840 got for that particular demon. So you know, I just got that image 494 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,840 in my head and that was fascinating and the energies felt weird, and but 495 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,320 you know, it's in a interesting thing that they do. You know, 496 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:08,519 they just took question things and research basically. Yeah, it's fascinating. Yes. 497 00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:13,760 So when you do on your on your paran or investigations, what are 498 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,280 the things you normally do? Do you do things on table tipping or or 499 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,679 is it usually just asking questions? Right? Okay, So I do bekome 500 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,400 quite a few public events to get to a location because I tend to go 501 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:30,800 out every week. Obviously they can't afford to book my own location all the 502 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,519 time. Or it's also the safety aspect, like if you go out of 503 00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:38,119 the open in the public, then you don't know who's going to turn up, 504 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,440 and you know it's not always safe, is it? And the weather 505 00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:46,480 as well. So if I do go on public events, I try and 506 00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:52,440 keep away from the table tipping or the board primarily because sometimes people push them, 507 00:40:52,519 --> 00:41:00,000 so I don't want to waste my time, you know, So I 508 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:12,360 do use equipment sometimes, but in an ideal scenario when I try and sort 509 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,480 of find out, you know, if anything is around, I just like 510 00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:21,079 to stand there and work with energy sort of cool spirits sort towards us. 511 00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:24,639 See if we could sense anything, smell anything, pick things up things like 512 00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:31,119 that. Sometimes pick up like injuries or illnesses things. So that's interesting. 513 00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:37,199 Yeah, and you know if even like if you work with like minded people, 514 00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:43,039 you know, I will occasionally use a board with like minded people because 515 00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,639 you know they're not going to push it and you know what's going to come 516 00:41:45,639 --> 00:41:51,320 through as right. That's yeah, trust, don't you. Yeah, that's 517 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,000 it. Yeah, I think we will. We all think we will. 518 00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,800 Well, most of us have developed a ring of people we know we can 519 00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,559 trust. You know, you know that you're not going to be played about 520 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:06,079 with them. Oh yeah, So do you do sort of most of the 521 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,639 local stuff or do you travel around? Right? I have got a dog, 522 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:15,599 so it does restrict me. Oh yeah, if I didn't, then 523 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,679 I've been less restricted. I did go to Scotland for two weeks touring. 524 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:29,800 I just met up with paranormal people and went to locations, so I'm usually 525 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:35,239 going out within an hour of my house. I did, obviously go to 526 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,840 a nunnery that's one and a half hours, which is it's driving home at 527 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,480 night. What's the problem? You know you finished there about two in the 528 00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:46,480 morning, went to McDonald's after. So then you're setting off and it's an 529 00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:51,480 hour and a half drive and it's eighty five miles. It's a long way, 530 00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:58,880 isn't it when you're on your own. But yeah, I think after 531 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,119 that journey, no, that I can do it. Then I might sort 532 00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:08,519 of go further afield next year. How do you come up with with you 533 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:12,320 where you're going to go? Do you do you sort of study where you're 534 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,760 going to go for the week or just drawn to it? Scotland Yet, 535 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:22,039 when I told Scotland, I went to locations at interest and I went I 536 00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:27,119 think the whole of the trip was to get to Clodon. I also wanted 537 00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:31,480 to go to Locknest and meet Steve Felton, who actually lives on the bank 538 00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:36,880 of Lockness. He actually left the rat race and just sort of stuff it 539 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,840 and got a caravan and lived on the banks of Locknest. Trying to find 540 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:45,480 if he lives, you know, is alive basically, And I sort of 541 00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:52,039 met him maybe thirty years ago, and I went up recently and he was 542 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:55,280 there and it's lovely to chat to him. I'm still there. Yeah, 543 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,920 it worked, you know. Yeah, so you know everyone does the day 544 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,480 today and you know, you all got your issues with jobs and things like 545 00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:07,480 that. He just thought sold it and he did it. And and the 546 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:13,880 fact that it's survived. He makes his little netty figures and that basically keeps 547 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,039 him going. So has he ever seen this, No, he hasn't. 548 00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:23,599 Personally, a lot of people take evidence to him, and obviously he chats 549 00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:30,599 to a lot of people as well. So where is fun is. It's 550 00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:35,679 on a beautiful beach. You can go swimming from there as well, right 551 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,719 on the shores of lock NEETs and the view is the view is stunning. 552 00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:44,920 Been there? Yeah, if I have no that's you only got to find 553 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:51,400 him myself. Oh bless you. Yeah. We went there in the fifteen 554 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,320 I think it was we went to Scotland. We told aloud Scotland. Yeah, 555 00:44:54,360 --> 00:45:00,519 so had I known that found himself? Yeah? Specifically, Well, 556 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:07,599 I was staying on the shore of Lockness right near Bolskin House and his partnership. 557 00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:10,679 I went there as well, went into the cemetery which is interesting, 558 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:20,119 the Phraser Clan cemetery just underneath the house that's got it's really beautiful and it's 559 00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:25,239 got some really famous ghost stories there. I was actually invited by the Scottish 560 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,719 Ghost Company or one of their events and they're actually on They're actually on the 561 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:37,880 GP and Awards as well. Oh fantastic, which is really nice. Yeah, 562 00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:43,599 it's just a stunning place. And I met up with the Phantom Seeker's 563 00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:51,880 paranormal Whispering Spirits. I met up with Hornted Ackland as well. I joined 564 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,840 mark World Bank there and oh, it's just beautiful just to meet up, 565 00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,239 to travel around together, to go to these fantastic locations. Yeah, and 566 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:07,000 then on the way back I met paranormal in history Scott Mathewson and Louisado. 567 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,239 So I met quite a few when I was up there, and it's just 568 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:15,559 lovely just to meet like minded people and it's not all about investigating, you 569 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:21,679 just getting out and about and just seeing people. And I've even been to 570 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,280 a party in Walsall. Because when to be paranormal organized something where they're doing 571 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:30,440 a pub crawl and that was brilliant. And you just get to know people, 572 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,880 don't you, through face it? Yeah that's while I was driving, 573 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,320 but yeah it is. But you know, you just get to meet people 574 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:43,199 on Facebook and then you actually meet them in person, and it's just brilliant, 575 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:50,079 isn't it. You and I know each other really through Facebook and then 576 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:58,440 we met each other at the Yeah, but we did actually bump in the 577 00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:04,840 galleries of National at the time. No, we didn't know, that's it, 578 00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:08,519 But yeah, it's just fascinating, is it. But it wasn't you 579 00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:13,039 know? That parafest was brilliant, wasn't it? It was good church at 580 00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,519 least at least the next time. If we're bump into each other, we 581 00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:20,159 know who we are. We know we are, you know who you are. 582 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,039 But yeah, yeah, I know that's it. And it's amazing how 583 00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:29,639 you do get to know people over Facebook. And it's got his good bits 584 00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:32,400 and it's got his bad bits, but which we won't go into. Yeah 585 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,880 that one. No, I mean I can thank Facebook for me for making 586 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:44,000 contact with loads and loads of really good friends and people that are right events 587 00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:46,679 and stuff, you know, so I can't really quit criticize it for that. 588 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,239 Yeah, it is wonderful. It's funny like when I got Facebook, 589 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,880 people said, oh, yeah, you know, never meet up with people 590 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,559 who you meet on Facebook, you don't know the exists, blah blah blah. 591 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,639 Well there I am. You know all those rules have gone out the 592 00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:06,760 window, haven't I. Oh yeah, you know. I mean a bit 593 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:12,679 loads of lucky bit a few rotten ones as well. People yea glad to 594 00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:15,760 see the walk come by? Yeah, definitely, I think we all get 595 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:22,280 those definitely. Yeah. It's just so fascinating though, isn't it. And 596 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,639 you don't know what you're going to get from one time to the next. 597 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:30,079 No, that's it. Really, you said you read You're right in your 598 00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:31,920 book. I mean, any idea when it's going to be coming out. 599 00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:37,840 God started in twenty twenty. I think I thought I finished in twenty twenty 600 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:45,280 two. But editing is the issue. I also had doubts sometimes you think, 601 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:51,400 well, can I really do people want to read this? Well? 602 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,280 So you know that another part of it was down to the past life regression, 603 00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:00,239 because I've got like loads of things coming together on that. But it 604 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:06,519 just it just I just hadn't got the ending for it. I don't know, 605 00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:10,719 it just seemed incomplete, and I don't know, it just didn't seem 606 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:16,119 right. Now I'm actually off between Christmas and New Year, so I think 607 00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:19,760 I'm going to try and work on it, get on with it, because 608 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,760 I was going to try and bring it out by the parafest, but yeah, 609 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,920 that didn't happen. So then you sit with it for a bit, 610 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,000 you know, you spent some hours at it. Then you put it down, 611 00:49:29,039 --> 00:49:32,320 and then you have to start again, don't you. Yeah, no 612 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,199 doubt you will get to me. So it's almost complete. Really, you 613 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,800 just sort of call it five thousand words. That's good. You know, 614 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:45,599 you're just looking for a way to finish it. Yeah, I've kind of 615 00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:52,039 finished It's it's just about reading through, that's all. And now you know, 616 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,480 I've got a bit to have from what happened, you know, when 617 00:49:55,519 --> 00:50:01,000 I went to a nunnery that time, because you know, you know, 618 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:06,320 it's just fascinating what evidence you can get. Yeah, whenever you've not got 619 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:10,679 a good friend that you can sort of go through it with you, she's 620 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:16,880 kind of busy how to give her access to it? So I have got 621 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:23,360 personal works for a publishing company. Yeah, I don't know. I just 622 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,199 kind of feel I need to do more first before it goes anywhere. Yeah, 623 00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:30,400 and it's a shame that you've done all this work on it and you're 624 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,519 sort of, you know, you need to put a finger out. Really 625 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,679 it needs to be completed, it does, you know? You know it's 626 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,039 that you see that first I think I wrote, and I put a lot 627 00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:45,719 of stuff in it, and then because you don't know how you're going to 628 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,639 write that many words, and then when you read that, you think, 629 00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:53,320 why I've written all that rubbish in there? Because I wrote I sometimes added 630 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:58,480 a bit of history to the location, you say, And then he thought, 631 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,000 well that's kind of irrelevant, so I've got rid of that. And 632 00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:07,360 then it changed bits and then things change, and yeah, your ideas change 633 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,679 as well, don't they your thoughts. I try it. I've tried to 634 00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:16,880 write it as as I did from like my foot first thoughts, when I 635 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,880 sort of went to my first investigation what my feelings were. Then if I 636 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,480 can, you know, you can recall them to some degree, because you 637 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:31,119 already remember the first time you did something. And then yeah, yeah, 638 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:37,639 I've got to get on with it. I'm off between I'm sure you're I'm 639 00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:44,159 sure break Yeah. So are you going to be going to any big events 640 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:49,360 in twenty twenty four? Well, I hope to be going to the three 641 00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,840 Para Meets, which Neil's doing, so yeah, I hope to be helping 642 00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:02,559 out there. Going to York as well, go to visit the Castle Museum 643 00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:07,800 doing no I would like and I need to go to York. I keep 644 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,159 promising myself for every year, So maybe I make twenty twenty four a visit 645 00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:16,920 to York. Yeah, but to investigate the Castle Museum, which is like, 646 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:22,239 wow, I hope the Kens is there as well. She works there, 647 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,840 so when I last went to York, she was actually there. It's 648 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,559 like, oh my gosh, you know she saw me as well. She 649 00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,679 was working behind the desk when he's sort of booking to get the tickets. 650 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,559 Yeah, it's something to see her. But I stayed in the fleece. 651 00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:40,480 I don't know where to stay this time, so I've stayed in the fleece 652 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:46,159 twice, so yeah, I've I've got to sort out my hotel for that. 653 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,360 Forgot. Yeah, so what happens to your dog when you go? 654 00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:55,519 You gotta take your dog with your It goes kennels, which is why obviously 655 00:52:55,599 --> 00:53:00,400 I'm restricted. So at the moment I've got four tree it's away mm hmm. 656 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,519 So and of course it's extra money. Haven't you put your dog in 657 00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:07,760 the kennle isn't it? This is the one you know, custs one hundred 658 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,760 quid? Yeah, just for a weekend. Yeah, because you get charged 659 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,360 two days for one night. Well you know he goes away for one night, 660 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,599 charged two days. So yeah, yeah, we have the same shovel. 661 00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,440 We've got two, so it means they both go in together. Yeah, 662 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:30,599 but still but you've still got either it's one and half. Yeah, 663 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,800 that's like you say, you go away for a lot three or four days 664 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,760 and there's a lot of a couple of unch of quid, and then we're 665 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,880 going to America next year for so you're going to have to go in for 666 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,400 over two weeks. That's that's going to be like five hundred quid we've got. 667 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,840 It's more than your accommodation sometimes. Yeah, it will be your problem. 668 00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:57,960 Yeah, it will be sleeping on the beach, I think. But 669 00:53:58,039 --> 00:54:01,440 yeah, you've got actually factor that all into the overall price of when you 670 00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:06,599 do anything, isn't it. That's why I did actually say I'm going to 671 00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:07,719 cut back on some of the events I'm going, so I'm not going to 672 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,559 go to so many where I've got to travel and stay in hotels. Next 673 00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:15,760 year or this year, we're going to try and do a bit more local 674 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,159 stuff and a bit like you baby, I'll we do look around for local 675 00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:23,239 gear a lot lot. We've got our local South End group which I will 676 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:29,920 be obviously frequenting every month. Yeah, and uh, you know, maybe 677 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,360 we'll do a few trips out for that, but that's my intention. The 678 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,320 only thing on books actually for for this year is the Festival The Unexplained of 679 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,960 course I'm really looking forward to because we've got Dave Schrader's coming back. Oh 680 00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:52,199 yeah, Cindy Kaser is coming over and Shane Pittman as well. That's going 681 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:57,599 to be amazing. Yeah, it sounds brilliant. I've seen that, but 682 00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:06,800 we've sort of been away three times, like like when I did the Parent 683 00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:09,760 Parafest and the Para Meet in a year as well. You know, it's 684 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,840 about the extra with the dog, isn't it. Yeah, that's yeah, 685 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,199 that's what I mean. My wife and I would go to the festival. 686 00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:22,639 We have explained. I think I booked them in four that would be probably 687 00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:28,320 five nights for that I think year something that maybe even six. So that's 688 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:32,719 going to be a couple of hundred quid on top because it's me going on 689 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,320 my own as well if I go to his place, so I book a 690 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,480 hotel room on my own, so that that doesn't you know, that doesn't 691 00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:47,079 help, does that? No, I've done that separate. That's quite That's 692 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,400 kind of why I've gone to these places on my own. Most of the 693 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,920 time. Somebody workers start home with the dogs bless Yeah, because it's that 694 00:55:55,079 --> 00:56:00,199 and somebody eventually go to they're quite long. They'll be whilst not let sit 695 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:05,840 and watch all these different people speaking about different that's right. They can get 696 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,000 a bit heavy corner over the summer's weekends. Yeah, yeah, that's it. 697 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:17,079 But anyways, with your book writing, when you get it, when 698 00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:20,800 you get it finished, you have to come back on the show again and 699 00:56:21,199 --> 00:56:25,719 about But I'm sure we'll talk again. I hope I'll run into you again 700 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:32,039 at some time, running to you. Yeah, I do want to go 701 00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:37,280 back to church far some time. Yeah, because the dog can stand in 702 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:42,880 the car for a bit and you know there you've got the chance of it 703 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,159 back, haven't you. You can and stuff. So yeah, if ever 704 00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:52,280 you find yourself over Essex Way, give me a shout because we've got we've 705 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,239 got lots of haulty places over here. Definitely. I did want to go 706 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:04,199 down Randallship. Yeah it's me. I used to live near there two three 707 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,880 years ago. I'll say near near year, twenty minutes away, but I 708 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,760 do really from will and you may not know it, but the Rendition Forest, 709 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,920 the irf I or the UFO incident they have in nineteen eighty. Colonel 710 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,079 Holt, who wrote wrote the Whole Memoryandum, is a good friend of that's 711 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:29,159 cooling. Wow, yes, but yeah, as I say, I do 712 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,599 have to get to see you again at some point and yeah again yeah, 713 00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:38,239 certainly be about as sharing. Yeah yeah, Now, if anyone's listening to 714 00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:42,599 this and they want to find you on Facebook, you've got the paranormal pass, 715 00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:47,280 Yeah, paran page. Yeah, I'm also on TikTok YouTube is paranorl 716 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:52,079 path one I think it is. That's yeah what I hardly ever look at 717 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:55,880 TikTok, But what say you should go on there because there's lots of funny 718 00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:02,039 videos and things on there, so I'll look you sometimes. I do. 719 00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:07,960 Yeah, I do like social media, but primarily it's a podcast and they 720 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:14,760 go out onto YouTube and also to go out onto things Network on Facebook and 721 00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:20,400 my Facebook Paranormal Path. So yeah, and if anyone wants to look for 722 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:27,440 Jacqueline Dixon, now your Jacqueline is built quite differently too. It's j A 723 00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:32,639 C Q U E N E all right, yeah d I x O N. 724 00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:36,800 If you're looking for Jacqueline Dixon, it's you want to look for a 725 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:44,719 J A C Q yeah quillan that's it. Yeah, but yeah, thanks 726 00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,280 anyway, it's been it's been lovely talking to you. And as I say, 727 00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:52,159 good luck for the twenty twenty four and your events, and take care 728 00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:57,519 of yourself. Don't fall down any holes or anything. Don't say that I 729 00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:01,400 went when I went to another like straight away, hasn't anything down STAPs. 730 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:06,159 Yeah, I know when you're walking in the dark around in the dark, 731 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,960 the slippery steps and things, it's quite easy to That's what I mean. 732 00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:15,039 I know that dangerousity definitely. Okay, thank you to take care of yourself, 733 00:59:15,519 --> 00:59:19,719 thanks for coming on, Thanks for the time. Yeeres bye bye bye 734 00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:22,800 bye. There we are that was Jaqueline Dixon. Thank you Jacqueline, and 735 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,840 as I often say, we will do it again. Okay, the next 736 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,840 show comes out next week. I have a special show with the well known 737 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:35,519 Parallel the Investigator, mister Nick Kyle. No less. I'll sure many have 738 00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:37,559 heard of him, and if you haven't, then you need to be listening 739 00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:39,679 to this one because it's gonna be a good one, as I hope they 740 00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:44,079 always are. So that will be going out Monday, the fifteenth of January, 741 00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,639 and that's mister Nick Kyle. Of course, until then, if you'd 742 00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:51,800 like to get in touch with me at any time, my email as always 743 00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:55,800 is David Young two q N at Yoho dot co dot UK. That's David 744 00:59:55,880 --> 01:00:00,719 Young two q N at Yoho dot co dot UK. So until the next 745 01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:07,159 show on January fifteenth with Nick Coyle, Yes a Mandy as always, I'll 746 01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:10,559 speak to you then and take care of everybody. Bye bye. You know 747 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:15,719 I expected you to be older. You are the radio man. Time for 748 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:21,400 good to bid hi, it is late, Shall we retire? Spooky eh. 749 01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:27,320 Paranormal Dimensions is as bright and powerful as our celestial stars up and although 750 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,239 it's expending thousands of pounds of energy, every minute of the day. Have 751 01:00:30,400 --> 01:01:36,239 no fire, There's plenty left. Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on the 752 01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:37,360 Paranormal UK Radio Network.