1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:06,559 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,799 --> 00:00:14,119 in the UK and around the world. You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:34,960 Network. Hello, who fetch the famous of Stollmer, Sir Patrick Moore? 4 00:00:36,039 --> 00:00:44,479 It is they much, sir, any news on the space front, Ilonnus 5 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,399 has just designed and developed five gigantic, state of the art rocket ships. 6 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:55,159 All members have followed, along with the American Senate, have first class tickets 7 00:00:55,200 --> 00:01:00,399 of all them you've seen. They're told they're going to the moon Gold. 8 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:06,799 Where is exactly who are we going? Sir Patrick? The newer normally discovering 9 00:01:06,879 --> 00:01:51,640 tuissively a pronomysy a your black Holes. Welcome to Twin Souls. Twin Souls 10 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,040 is brought to an association with the Panormal UK Radio Network. Your host's Philip 11 00:01:56,079 --> 00:02:00,640 and monokin Seller. Now, our next guest needs no introduction. In fact, 12 00:02:00,319 --> 00:02:04,480 I have to tell you, ladies and gentlemen, it's none other than 13 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:09,319 Steve Aspin. Now, Steve is a multiple abductee and has had the most 14 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:15,240 incredible UFO and alien experiences, and all of this is outlined in his book 15 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:22,840 Out of Time, The Intergenerational Abduction program explored. And you must go out 16 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:28,400 and buy this book because by definition, to my mind, it is one 17 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,560 of the most impressive books that I have read for many long years, not 18 00:02:31,759 --> 00:02:38,560 since Whitney Streaber's Communion. This book is something that goes into far more detail 19 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:45,960 and complexity. So welcome Steve. How are you hi, guys, I'm 20 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,680 great. Thanks. So it's want to see you and you as well. 21 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:53,039 And you know, it's really great to have you on the show because I 22 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,560 know that your book is incredible and it's something that really moves you, not 23 00:02:58,719 --> 00:03:05,599 only because of your experiences, but also of your technical investigations and data that 24 00:03:05,719 --> 00:03:08,919 you've brought to the table and certain theories regarding, you know, the whole 25 00:03:09,039 --> 00:03:13,960 matter of abduction. So tell us how did this all start for you, 26 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,960 Steve? How did how did the UFO phenomena integrate within your life? Well, 27 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,520 it's a long story. I'll try and give you a short version from 28 00:03:23,759 --> 00:03:30,400 infancy. I experienced nighttime incidents, which a lot of abductees do, where 29 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:36,759 they're paralyzed and they have little creatures around the bed and they just feel that 30 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:42,479 something is happening to them that they really can't make sense of and doesn't it 31 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:46,280 doesn't feel like it's part of normal human experience. It feels like it's something 32 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,360 from outside. It's very difficult to explain how you can rationalize this. My 33 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:58,479 mother was the abduct see in the ancestral line because it was noticed many years 34 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:05,159 ago by more than one researcher. That's all abductees have either one or both 35 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:12,840 parents who are also abductees, and one or more grandparents and their children are 36 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,519 also tends to one of their children at least sometimes more than one tends to 37 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:24,279 be in what I call the program. Like the entities prosecuting, this program 38 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:30,720 tends to work down on sexual lines. And I think it's because they are 39 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:38,839 changing the abductee populations slightly in they're changing their genetics and subtle ways, almost 40 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:47,120 too subtle for our genetics understanding to comprehend what they're doing. But the intergenerational 41 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:55,600 aspects of the abduction phenomenon is very important to the instigators. And I had 42 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:03,759 experiences as a young adult which involved seeing flying sources and sometimes in the company 43 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:09,439 of other people, and one extraordinary experience when I was sixteen years old, 44 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:15,319 wish I I outline in the prologue of my book Out of Time, where 45 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:24,319 on a Saturday morning, I was impelled to rise from sleep and for some 46 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:29,120 reason I want I went out of the house and I walked for ten minutes 47 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:36,600 to a nearby building site which wasn't near any inhabited houses, inhabited dwellings, 48 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:44,839 and suddenly I lost two hours and twenty minutes, and the air around me 49 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,800 with pulse stating, with wishing sounds, and I was surrounded by blue and 50 00:05:49,879 --> 00:05:58,120 indigo lights pox stating lights, and I saw a flying for flying sauce of 51 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:03,319 for once of a best description in full view, about one hundred meters away 52 00:06:03,399 --> 00:06:06,920 and at about thirty thirty degrees elevation from the ground, and it was in 53 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,639 full view, and I had no idea what was going on, absolutely no 54 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:15,759 idea what was happening to me. And I had a voice in my ears 55 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:20,319 saying in my head saying, you're going to forget everything that we've done this 56 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:27,240 morning. You won't remember anything. And then suddenly banged, just like snapping 57 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,120 your fingers. Everything was back to normal, and it was now I got 58 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:38,879 to this place at five to six in the morning, and when this concluding 59 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:46,079 minutes or so of memory two and twenty minutes after after I got there when 60 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,759 this happened. It was eight fifteen quarter Path says, and it was July, 61 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:55,439 so it was quite warm and sunny and a clear blue sky. And 62 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:01,720 as I walked home, I could feel the skin on my cheekbone below my 63 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:06,800 left eye sockets was damp and it kept weeping. And when I got home, 64 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,759 I looked in the bar from a mirror and there was a perfectly round 65 00:07:11,079 --> 00:07:15,199 mark of as if the skin had been burned or scraped off with a scalpel. 66 00:07:15,959 --> 00:07:20,839 And so they had this this strange missing time experience, this mark on 67 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:27,040 my face, which took three or four months to heal, and this sighting 68 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:32,600 of a flying saucer through this window where there was because the house was partly 69 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:36,079 built, you know, in construction, there was no glass in the windows. 70 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:41,600 Side had really full heel of it through this aperture. And I didn't 71 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:45,160 know what to do with this experience, because there in nineteen seventy two in 72 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:53,279 the English province English Provinces, there was no there was no understanding of what 73 00:07:53,399 --> 00:07:58,800 alien abduction was. There was the been a cup of cases internationally, like 74 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,720 the the Bet and Barney Hill case, which was first came to public attention 75 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:09,120 in nineteen sixty six in the United States when John Fuller published his book The 76 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:16,879 Interrupted Journey, and there was a strange case in Brazil by an an architect 77 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:22,920 who was from a farming family called called a Sorry he is a lawyer. 78 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:26,519 He was a lawyer by profession, who called Antonio Villas Bollos. And these 79 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:33,360 two cases and smashing of others had been recognized as being linked to the UFO 80 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:39,879 phenomenal. They parceled up with the contacts and all this stuff a flying source 81 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:45,080 of sightings by military pilots, and it was all packaged together into one jumble, 82 00:08:45,159 --> 00:08:48,440 you know where where if you had if you bought a magazine or a 83 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:52,559 book on on the UFO phenomenon, which were quite rare in those it isn't 84 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:56,000 quite difficult to find, you found it all jumbled together. Sometimes the Hill 85 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,600 case and the anti Antonio Villas Bollis case which just popped into chapter eight and 86 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:07,039 they're just like a single paragraph and then then the narratives were moved on. 87 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,960 So I had no acquaintance with this, and I had nowhere to put this 88 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:16,879 experience for years afterwards, and I just suppressed it because I couldn't. I 89 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:22,159 couldn't think of how I would describe what had happened to me or how it 90 00:09:24,039 --> 00:09:28,360 fitted into all the other things that had happened during my childhood. Wish I 91 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:33,360 outlined in the first chapter of the book. The first chapter is about thirty 92 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:39,960 pages, and it's called The Slow Revelation. Are you know, I can't 93 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:46,120 remember the subtype of what it's. It's our bonds with non human our involuntary 94 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:50,399 bonds were non human entities speak, which was what was happening to my mother 95 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:56,039 and me and my mother and I didn't didn't recognize it until after she died. 96 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,440 I realized what she was on about, because I actually event got to 97 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:07,960 grips with the abduction phenomenon academically, and I started to seek outs people who 98 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:15,559 had demonstrated a serious research interest in it and has written books about it and 99 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,919 has got some understanding of it. People by Bud Hopkins, which who who 100 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:22,120 is living in New York at the time, Now I lived in London, 101 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:26,080 and he was the guy really wants to meet and you know that quite a 102 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:31,840 bit of a central section of the book is about that, about that endeavor 103 00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:35,240 and the meeting him and the time we spend together and what I learned from 104 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:41,039 this. That's incredible. I think that you know and what you've created in 105 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,759 terms when I say created, in terms of your analysis of the not just 106 00:10:46,919 --> 00:10:52,559 the abduction phenomena, but also the you've tried to bring the physical evidence to 107 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:56,639 the table. Your book Out of Time certainly goes in depth. I mean, 108 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,840 you know, just to let your listeners know out there that it is 109 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:05,200 a very detailed and highly strutted and articulated piece of work. Yes, I 110 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:11,600 was going to add that that the first part is very haunting because you're like, 111 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:18,519 in a way, you're the only person at the time who is aware 112 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:24,840 of this. And the haunting aspect of it is is that there you are. 113 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:28,200 It's like something from the Invaders. I'll put that tongue in cheek. 114 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:31,440 The old science fiction film was like, it's quite nasty because David Dincon was 115 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:35,679 on his own and he had to suffer on his own, and no matter 116 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:39,039 how much he tried to explain this to people that he was rebuffed. So 117 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,679 but your book, it's very and this is the terrible thing about it. 118 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,519 They're so calm and they're so nice about it. This is a nasty thing 119 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,360 about it. You're not going to remember so casually, you're not going to 120 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,039 remember. So in terms of when they say that, it's a very matter 121 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:07,759 of facts is completely avoided in the emotion. It's just like describing I don't 122 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:13,639 know what, it's just describing factual likeness. You see something on the paper 123 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,960 on the on the street and you say that's a so so, Yeah, 124 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:18,399 that's the dog's bone, or that's that's a tennis ball, and they just 125 00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:22,120 walk on. It's really that factual and avoid of emotion. Oh, you're 126 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,240 not going to remember. It's just the same as a fact. Now, 127 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:31,279 this is actually much confidence. Yes, this actually occurred with you with regards 128 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:35,879 to one of these so called grays. So you know that has been well 129 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:41,519 documented within the world of uphology. Give us a little bit of a description 130 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,120 about what happened, because there's some questions I'd like to ask about your thoughts 131 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:48,879 with with these grays. I mean, you know this this was an experience 132 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:56,600 you had where you are under their basically control. And tell us about that, 133 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,159 Steve. Do you mean when I when I asked one of the why 134 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,200 are you doing this to me? Yea, I was about ten at the 135 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,919 time, ten years old, and I had one of these nighttime incidents where 136 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:13,440 I was paralyzed again. It's very very unpleasant feeling because you don't seem to 137 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,600 have any control over your actions at all, and you don't know where you 138 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:24,360 are, and these people manipulate you and a complete in control of you. 139 00:13:24,759 --> 00:13:31,759 And I asked one of the it was these aliens that the great aliens in 140 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:39,480 popular culture. I wish I believe a genetically engineered beings. They have a 141 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:43,320 kind of soul, they have a soul lessens in them. But there it's 142 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:48,919 a very complicated thing to go into on ans podcast like this, but I 143 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,679 developed quite quite a lot of time to this and the book on in Chattery 144 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:00,840 in particular. There's there's the tall ones and the ones who've come to get 145 00:14:00,919 --> 00:14:05,919 you, come to collect you and deliver you back again. Usually work in 146 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,399 a group of three, and they're small. They're typically three ft or three 147 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:16,320 foot six about a meter hot tour and they have the standard morphology which which 148 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:24,120 has been expressed in popular culture for decades, like in Spielberg's film Close Encounters 149 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:31,759 of the Third Kind. In the final reel, he tried to recreate the 150 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:37,279 morphology of these beings as they've been described by hundreds or thousands of witnesses, 151 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:43,919 so they're always they're always the thin spindley aliens with a great big large and 152 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:48,120 large craniums and great big bug eyes. There's a taller type, which are 153 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:56,000 it's not a gradation of different body sizes body heights there. They're just the 154 00:14:56,399 --> 00:15:01,039 the short ones or they're the tour ones, and they're really easy to tell 155 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:07,440 a pass. And the taller ones generally work with the adoptee alone, sometimes 156 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:13,039 two of them, and they seem to be in charge with the shorter ones, 157 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:18,720 and they tend to do all the complicated procedures, anatomical procedures you'll need, 158 00:15:18,799 --> 00:15:24,240 like a harvesting of over and sperm from from adoptise, and neurological procedures 159 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:31,360 where they stare into adoptise eyes and can access the optic nerve, whereby they 160 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:37,440 can take control of the abbotise memories. Like this sounds absolutely incredibly if you 161 00:15:37,559 --> 00:15:41,399 have no acquaintance with the phenomenon, but that's actually what they can do. 162 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:48,840 This isn't this is an ability engineered into them. And I asked this tall 163 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,919 one who was kind of in charge of what was going on, why me, 164 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:58,399 why why do I deserve this special attention. Why are you doing this 165 00:15:58,519 --> 00:16:03,519 to me? And do you do it to everybody else? And he said, 166 00:16:03,799 --> 00:16:08,679 oh, it's because of your mother and your grandmother and your great grandmother, 167 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,200 and you're next in the line. And he just carried on with what 168 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:18,679 he was doing, and it it was quite a match from a factor about 169 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,840 it. And they always they said to me more than once, it doesn't 170 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,039 matter what we tell you, because you're not going to remember anyway. But 171 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:33,840 occasionally some memory kind of sticks with you. It bleeds through or it returns. 172 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:38,159 Because they don't eliminate the memories completely. What they do is they bury 173 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:44,080 it in the part of the brain where you can in the long term memory, 174 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,440 so you can't actually immediately recall it if something's just happened to you. 175 00:16:48,559 --> 00:16:52,080 That is why, this is why adaptsies always say they've have missing time. 176 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:59,919 You know, that can be walking along a woodland track or something and suddenly 177 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:03,440 they find it's two hours later and they feel really strange and they thought, 178 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:10,119 something odd happened to me. I don't know, I why is it two 179 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,720 hours later? And they've they've they've all our sense of is missing, the 180 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,599 time has gone missing. They can't they can't understand whether they've had a kind 181 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:22,799 of mental blackout or whether they've kind of fallen asleep where they're standing up. 182 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:27,079 They just don't understand it. But what happens is is the time of the 183 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:33,680 abduction is buried in the long term memory. So it seems like a part 184 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:36,880 of the memories cut out with a pair of scissizens. Then just two ends 185 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,960 are joined, and these memories are still in there. They are in your 186 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,160 long term memory. But you have to if you, if you, once 187 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,400 you realize what might be going on with you, you have to adopt, 188 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:56,799 learn to do adopt techniques to access along term memory. It's it's it's possible 189 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:03,519 to do that, but you need really a skilled practitioner. A very small 190 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:08,599 number of abductees, a very small percentage of them claim they can remember big 191 00:18:08,759 --> 00:18:15,319 chunks of the abduction or or even all of it without any assistance that they 192 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:23,039 people have who have a very unusual relationship with a long term memory. But 193 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:29,960 you know, human neurology is varied, is infinitely varied along you know, 194 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:36,039 along a line of of abilities and so forth. So some people can remember, 195 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,240 but there are a really small minority of abilities. Most people just don't 196 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:41,599 remember a thing because they stick it in a long term memory, and all 197 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,119 you have is this two hours of missing time, or sometimes three hours of 198 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:49,799 missing time. I mean, there's one case out of time that I outline 199 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:56,759 in chapter two. When I list seven, I go, I explain and 200 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:02,720 describe seven cases from the classic literature. The Allergash case, which of your 201 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,799 audience will probably know about, was with four guys, four university students in 202 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:11,079 their twenties, and they were all artists, and they went to they were 203 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,480 America, and I think they were in a Boston, Massachusetts, at the 204 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:18,440 university there, and they went to the Allergash Waterway in Maine, which is 205 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:26,920 a state on thee on the Atlantic coast of North America, just underneath Canada. 206 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,039 And they went there to do some fishing and just camp and get into 207 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,880 the wilderness and so forth, and they had a combined abduction the four of 208 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:41,559 them called is called the Allergash case. And they would gone for three hours 209 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,079 or maybe more than three hours, and they all knew that they had this 210 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,519 three hours of missing time. So the time of the abduction varies sometimes for 211 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,759 from like half an hour to three or four hours, but the average time 212 00:19:53,839 --> 00:20:00,559 is about two hours they'd take you. And there's a reason they have to 213 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,400 spend a certain amount of time with you. Yes, And I wanted to 214 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:07,839 ask Steve, there are two questions that I think have always been prevalent within 215 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:14,480 my mind. And although that you know most of your listeners won't know at 216 00:20:14,519 --> 00:20:18,559 the moment, most of your thoughts on this, But when you were in 217 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,880 the presence of this gray and he spoke to you meta effectly, as though 218 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,920 you know, it was just and that really chilled I remember the first time 219 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,400 you I read it and you told me it chilled my bones. Did was 220 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,440 did you recognize the gray? Did you feel like you recognized it at all? 221 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:37,640 In any way? Well, they all kind of look the same, 222 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:45,160 but they have they have different You can tell what them apart. Usually if 223 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:48,680 and I thought, I think this one had been dealing with me for many, 224 00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:55,119 many, many many years, It's possible a different one dealt with me 225 00:20:55,279 --> 00:21:00,559 sometimes, because I think that happens sometimes, especially if you're away from home, 226 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,519 you kind of get a different crew they choose interact with you. Because 227 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:07,000 I don't know how they do this. I don't know how it works. 228 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:15,279 Because they've got an extremely sophisticated system, and sometimes people are a thousands of 229 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,799 miles away from their home, you know, if they're on a holiday or 230 00:21:17,839 --> 00:21:25,200 business trip, and the ones they deal with the abductees who have fairly intact 231 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:30,920 memories or say that the team that they've dealt with on that occasion was different 232 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,720 to the usual crew. So there's a way that they have picking you up 233 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:40,920 if they could. They can recognize adulties. And it's it's it's a program 234 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:47,519 which I go into a not very deeply, but but an enough depth to 235 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:55,640 give the reader enough enough food for thoughts. That that's what it is. 236 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,920 It's a program. They're planning something, and it's a it's got a beginning, 237 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:06,200 a middle, and an end. Yes. Yes. So the other 238 00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:11,119 question we won't go into to too much detail because of course you needed your 239 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,640 listeners to buy this amazing book. But with regards to this program and with 240 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:19,519 regards to these grades, I mean, do you think and it's a hypothetical 241 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,519 question here is Steve, do you do you think that they're in some way 242 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:32,279 immortal? Is that a question we can ask, It's the question you can 243 00:22:32,319 --> 00:22:34,440 ask. It's very difficult to answer. I think it's they're probably not immortal. 244 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:41,720 That's my feelings they have they have a lifespan like organic life, but 245 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,279 I think it's quite long, because this one seems to know, seemed to 246 00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:53,440 have no my great grandmother born in eighteen seventy three, because he puts images 247 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,240 in my mind of her when she was younger. My grandmother was born in 248 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:03,920 nineteen hundred and eights, and he put images of these when there were young 249 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,160 women, teenagers or young women, and I knew immediately it was them, 250 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:12,079 even though I didn't know what my grandmother, great grandmother looked like in eighteen 251 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,519 seventy three, and you know, I didn't have any photographs of us still 252 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:22,160 two. She was, you know, a fairly mature adult. But I 253 00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:27,920 knew that they they these images of these women were my ancestors. And so 254 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:36,599 he's got that information in his memory from somewhere. The obvious thing is because 255 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,720 he was dealing with them. Yeah, it's like a doctor. It's it's 256 00:23:40,839 --> 00:23:45,480 rather like they are, to put it crudely, like finding cabinets, say, 257 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:51,400 there are an akeshic record of you, and I am extremely good analogy. 258 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:55,480 Yes, yeah, And also of course it makes sense even though because 259 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,839 we wouldn't know what our grandmother looked like when she was a young child or 260 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:04,519 teenager. So this was accompanied by it from him knowing to you. So 261 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,400 it's like they just it's like, yeah, you get what I mean. 262 00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:11,559 It's like a foul that's downloaded. Oh that said, that's your grandma, 263 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,960 that's your great grandma. You know when you say those pictures, you know 264 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,319 instantly, So he is part of that. He is evidently, you know, 265 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:22,319 integral in that. And it's like it's quite chilling when he says, 266 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:23,839 oh, you know, it's so you won't be remember this. This is 267 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:29,039 what really haunts me, is because like a doctor just peering into your eye 268 00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:30,799 and saying, oh, well, we'll let you know anyway, because you're 269 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,599 going to Eucali, forget it anywhere you're not going to know. It's quite 270 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:40,359 chiming. Actually, before I wrote the book, i'd it's kind of a 271 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,720 long story of my journey, but it's not really the book is really about 272 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:49,720 me. It was it's about how abductees can recognize that they're in this program, 273 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,319 and as a whole chatter on that and a lot of another big chunk 274 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:04,279 of another chatter as well, and then I dive into an analysis of what 275 00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:12,240 the program is really about. And then i'd give evidence for the medical and 276 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:22,319 forensic and scientific analysis of various things that over the years I've accumulated, like 277 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,279 I've got a bodily scarring, which a lot of abductees but not all adoptees 278 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:37,079 tend to have so and I had a scoopmark scar on my right shoulder behind 279 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,200 my right shoulder that my woman is now my wife found We weren't married at 280 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,279 the time, but were living together in a two thousand and eight. In 281 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,119 August two thousand and eight, she found it when I got out of the 282 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,559 shower and she said, pointed to it, stays, Steve, that thing 283 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,359 on your shoulder is one of those scoop mark things which I've seen in books 284 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:03,400 about alien abductions, and you've got one, and i'd never Obviously, they 285 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:07,880 tend to make these cuts and decisions where they in places on the body where 286 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,640 the aboltee won't necessarily see them, like the behind the calves or behind the 287 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:18,799 thighs or behind the shoulders is the favorite places because they can't see them. 288 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:23,960 Sometimes they're in more obvious places, but they're never or I've never known an 289 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:32,559 instance of one on the face or on obviously, on the hands or somewhere 290 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,640 where where the avolitee can see them really use. Yes, I devote a 291 00:26:37,759 --> 00:26:45,920 chapter to the analysis of the implants, where they put them, and how 292 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,400 we know that that and the forensic evidence for this. And I devote a 293 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,920 lot of time to a specific implant which was removed from a patient by Dr 294 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:03,720 Rogerlio, who some of your audience may know of. He died in twenty 295 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:08,680 fourteen, unfortunately, but between nineteen ninety five and twenty fourteen, that's nineteen 296 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:18,119 years he took eighteen He removed eighteen implants from abductees. One of them proved 297 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,440 to be prosaic, just a piece of glass at tiny, tiny piece of 298 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,839 glass, and the other the other audi others were exhostic. And I developed 299 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,319 quite a lot of time to the analysis of these things in the book, 300 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,880 and I put it produced quite a lot of data from the materials analysis from 301 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:41,440 a laborator in California, the materials laboratory analysis of California, which has not 302 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:47,240 really seen the light of the day. Although the materials analysis a guy called 303 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:52,079 Steve Colburn, and he doesn't he didn't disguise the fact that he had been 304 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:59,279 involved in the analysis of this particular object, but he's not really publicized that 305 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,680 much. I brought it to public attention. There's also analysis of some hairs 306 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,200 which we found. Yeah, we had an abduction events in twenty fifteen fifteen 307 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:18,079 and sixteen fifteen in my half inch house late in the evening when when my 308 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,119 wife was upstairs asleep because she went to better but earlier than me. And 309 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:30,920 on that occasion I did remember the I had dim memory of the the two 310 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:37,480 abductors entering the house through through the glass doors and the garden doors. And 311 00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:45,799 the following day my wife found a hair under the dining room table and a 312 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,200 second hair on the patio just outside the doors, and they seemed to be 313 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:55,680 identical, and they were both white and seemed to be sustained with a blue 314 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,359 pigments, and they definitely didn't belong to us because of our hairs, you 315 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,880 know. Complete my hair at the time was red, and she was a 316 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,880 red head Irish woman anyway, and she was a lot younger than me, 317 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,039 so she had no gray hairs. I did if you have a few, 318 00:29:10,079 --> 00:29:17,519 but you wouldn't have any blue. So we got these hairs. We realized 319 00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:22,960 there might be important. We put them in a a ziplock freezer bag, 320 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:30,240 and she hid them somewhere where I wouldn't know where they were. The reason 321 00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:36,359 being she thinks that the abductors can read your mind, which I know they 322 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:42,160 can do, and they find them, and if they if they were doing 323 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,640 a mind scamp procedure, they'd find them, or certainly there was a risk 324 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,440 they be discovered it. So she hidden them, hid them somewhere where they 325 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,359 wouldn't find them, and I wouldn't find them. I wouldn't know where they 326 00:29:52,359 --> 00:30:02,400 were. So eventually they ended up in a laboratory in Illinois, well LLC, 327 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:08,759 which is a forensic analysis lab in Illinois, and someone else I didn't 328 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:14,319 don't really talk about this in the book with someone else paid for the analysis. 329 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:21,000 Somebody was very interested in in the results stumped up the cost for it. 330 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:30,839 And there was second abducts in California who had found a long hair following 331 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:33,880 an abduction events, and she remembered, she claims to remember it exactly how 332 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:41,119 she acquired it. She remembers that the circumstances really very precisely. So the 333 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:45,920 third appendix in this series of four is about the analysis of all these hairs, 334 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,519 and the results are quite surprising. Yes, you's get those results. 335 00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,440 And I think, to be honest with you, you know, there have 336 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:03,160 been cases, most notably where abductees have actually, you know, been out 337 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,759 in a bookstore and looked around and there are some kind of strange being that 338 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:12,640 seems to be represented in a false human suit, i e. Wearing a 339 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:22,319 a wig and wearing sunglasses. I know that with Terry Lovelace Esquire, he 340 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:29,799 also had this experience with this gray but almost like a hybrid that seemed to 341 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:34,240 be wearing this this false hair sunglasses. Gave her a name, didn't he? 342 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,079 Yes? Was it Betty? I'm sure I think it was. Yes, 343 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,880 it was. And you know, I think he killed her Betty because 344 00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:48,000 she reminded him of Betty Rubble in the Flint Stones, because of her hair 345 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:52,880 do for the wig, you know. But I think this is really incredible, 346 00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:57,359 Steve, because not only have you been an abductee, and you've worked 347 00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:02,759 so hard to bring not just your experiences to the table, which I think 348 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,599 are amiable because you know, you know, dealing with the subject matter on 349 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,880 a theoretical level and a research level and bringing evidence to the table, but 350 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,359 also bringing into the phray your experiences is very brave, indeed, but the 351 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:22,319 way that your book has been written is extremely amazing, beautifully written, it 352 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,920 is, and articulate. I have to use the word as well, articulately 353 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,240 done. The other thing that I feel about these grays, you know, 354 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,200 I keep going back to these grays as you do, and we all do, 355 00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,319 because we're all asking the question, you know, about their modus operandi 356 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:43,039 or their origins. So, do you think it's possible, Steve, that 357 00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:49,440 this intelligence, whatever it is, whatever behind the mask? You know, 358 00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:53,000 do you think that these smaller grays are a creation from the taller grays? 359 00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:59,440 What's your idea about that? Yeah, I think the instigations of the program 360 00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:07,000 are not to the gray aliens very often, well, I don't know how 361 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:13,079 often this happens, but there's a lot of abductees reports dealing with different types 362 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:19,519 of entities, some of them are reptilian like, and I discuss in a 363 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:24,720 final chapter what the why they why people see reptilians and why why I believe 364 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:30,759 that they involved and they're involved in the abduction and how that how that happens 365 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:36,359 and who and who are what they are? But one of the one of 366 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:45,079 the entities that abduptsies often describe as a creature like a big praying mantis, 367 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:51,720 re thin and spindley and with a head like a praying mantis, and they 368 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:57,920 are between seven and eight feet tall, and they they abduptees report them as 369 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:07,680 being having the very strongest degree of mental control over them, and they invade 370 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:12,039 their minds straight away, and they take possession of everything they're thinking. And 371 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:17,679 these there's usually just one involved in an events. There's never a room full 372 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,000 of them. There's just one of these creatures. And they they are often 373 00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:31,159 reported to have very lengthy and deep dialogues with an abduptcy in which the adbutcy 374 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:38,480 can't hide anything from them, and they can sometimes dump huge amounts of information 375 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:45,760 in the abdupsey's mind who they then take hours or days to process that afterwards. 376 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:52,760 But these these mountis like beings have been reported for decades, and they're 377 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:59,639 not ubiquitously. They're not always reported to viabilities, but they're reported often enough 378 00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:04,719 for them to be are definitely a thing because people who don't know each other 379 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:10,039 always always report them. You know that that they encounter these these creatures I 380 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,719 suspect, but do not know and cannot know that they are the instigators of 381 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:22,400 the program. And I suspect that the gray aliens are created by these this 382 00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:31,320 racid beings from genetic material, their own genetic material and human genetic material. 383 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:40,519 And so I think there's some sort of hybrid creation designed to prosecute the abduction 384 00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:45,519 program and do the everyday grunt work. Yeah, it would show that they 385 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:52,360 are masters of genetic I mean, they seem to absolutely know what they're doing 386 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:57,599 with our genetic sciences only by one hundred years old, you know, since 387 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:06,360 since genetics were first discovered. If you had been involved in this for a 388 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,800 million years, say, which is a fraction at the time, you know 389 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:16,199 that the at the universe has been has been with us. You know, 390 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:22,239 you can you can barely imagine what the abilities would be and what sophistication of 391 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,400 science might be. It's interesting as well that, you know, when when 392 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,280 you're saying that Steve, it's that the universe itself. I mean we've discovered 393 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:37,719 recently by the wonderful James web Space Telescope that they're now scratching their heads about 394 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,440 the big band. They're not so sure now and and all credit to the 395 00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,719 scientists, and you know they're trying. We're trying to work out where we 396 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:52,239 are on what we're in. So imagine these creatures are put put it politely, 397 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,199 but I would think they were being so much better versed with the universe, 398 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,239 because they might understand it much better than our It's just that they don't 399 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:07,719 consider that to be mainframe when they're abducting us. It's like we are their 400 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,679 complete focus, or the people like your souls. The abductees are their focused 401 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,039 that's their job. They're not going to impart the scientific data to you. 402 00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:23,199 They are going to impart universal knowledge. It's just that that's one thing that 403 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,719 terrifies me about this is that their focused soul. It's like tunnel vision, 404 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,079 you know, the subjects you are this is part of our project, like 405 00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,679 in a lab. You know, they're not going to tell you what else 406 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,679 is going on behind the scenes. They're just concentrating on this. But this 407 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,400 is interesting because what on earth are they ultimately aspiring too? That is the 408 00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:46,199 question why the generations. Yeah, it's very difficult to know, yes, 409 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,920 with any certainty that any of this that what you'd have to do is just 410 00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:57,360 go on the evidence of what what abductees report happens to them. Yes, 411 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,679 yes, and you've got you can't be certain of anything, but we can 412 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:07,440 be fairly sure things that get repeatedly reported by a large numbers of adoptcies through 413 00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:13,800 various populations at the time that the SI yeah, yeah, I said. 414 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:21,000 It's also with the genuine cases of abductions, the more they smash them, 415 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,079 the more they, as you rightly said, they can learn. I mean, 416 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:30,679 sometimes they might slip up. Let's hope. Sure there are surprisingly that 417 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:37,320 there's a few abduction cases where there seems to have made small errors and it's 418 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:44,760 those errors that have brought the case. It's to public attention because like in 419 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:50,599 the in the Witness case and in Manhattan the Brooklyn Bridge and sometimes the bridgebduction. 420 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:58,519 I when I was in during my time, Hawkinsley show me all the 421 00:38:58,559 --> 00:39:07,360 correspondents that the the witnesses sent to him, and he'd he got twenty plus 422 00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:12,599 letters. This was in nineteen eighty nine, was before the internet was a 423 00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:15,880 thing, or it was very embryonic in those days. People still didn't have 424 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:22,920 email in the eighty nine and the inlitious road letters and these some and there 425 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:28,679 are all these witnesses who were usually in the car and driving cars and stopped 426 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,239 at two or three o'clock in the morning, which when this incident was a 427 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:37,800 witness. They're all there are all all their accounts corroborate each other, and 428 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:45,400 none of them knew each other. But those of your audiences who don't are 429 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,239 not not familiar with this place. With this case, the abductacy was seen 430 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:57,960 emerging in from the side of an apartment building on the Brooklyn Bridge, on 431 00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,840 the Manhattan side of the Brooklyn Bridge, and a company by three small grades, 432 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:10,280 and several witnesses wrote that Bud Hopkins was after he published his book as 433 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,639 saying they were there and they saw this happen, and they thought a movie 434 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,159 was being made, and this was a kind of pologram or special effests, 435 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,320 and they were just seeing it in the middle of the night, and it 436 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,119 was amazing, and they didn't realize it was anything real. You know, 437 00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:31,800 if if there was a Hollywood movie in the making and they had an influential 438 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:38,039 gentleman in the car, there wasn't a second general, Yes, as the 439 00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:42,079 Secretary General of the United of Nations, who at the time was a heavier 440 00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:45,360 Paris to Quaire. He's died recently, but he lived to ninety nine years 441 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:52,079 old and he died recently and he was proving by origin. But I know 442 00:40:52,199 --> 00:40:55,960 what you mean by that, sorry from truck Steve, because they're these aliens 443 00:40:57,039 --> 00:41:01,280 are in full daylight, well at night, beaming this woman up, taking 444 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,199 her. She was a fatal position, taking her up into their ship in 445 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,519 front of everyone. I mean, it's it begs belief, but there must 446 00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:15,840 be some there must be some method behind it, something they did, the 447 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,920 reason why they did it, because they're not stupid. They're not stupid at 448 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,960 all, you know Dave Jacobs, who I've got over, it's really well. 449 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,079 Yes. Also, obviously it was very close to this case. He 450 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:31,280 didn't investigate it like Bud Hoppies didn't the investigation, but Budden and Dave used 451 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:37,079 to work together very closely and confine each other, and Dave thinks it was 452 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,639 a mistake. They didn't mean the aliens didn't intend to be seen. But 453 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,760 I think there's strong evidence on the other side of that that they did intend 454 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,039 to be seen on this occasion. But we really don't know whether there's an 455 00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:58,440 error or could have been sometimes. I mean, you know, it's something 456 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,920 that people maybe laugh when they say when we hear about the old cases of 457 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:07,079 the crashes, Roswell being a prime example. Sometimes they might well, do 458 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,679 pilots crash their planes? The most sophisticated tech can crash. It could be 459 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,679 a million or a billion variables, you know, but these things still happen. 460 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,280 So, yes, who's to say that it might have been a mistake 461 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,079 on their part? Yes, extremely topical at the moment because of the congressional 462 00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:27,280 hearings. Oh yes, yes, yes, we don't comment on that. 463 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,920 Comment on one of the questions i'd ask is this is interesting because as a 464 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:37,920 human species we are, you know, we have a very limited version about 465 00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:42,320 our genus of where we really came from and how we developed. You've got 466 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,239 the religious interpretation of the scientific interpretation. Both are osters one at one another. 467 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,400 I'm sure there could be an infusion of both. They're brought together on 468 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,840 a different level of understanding, but with a lot of the elements of what 469 00:42:53,960 --> 00:43:00,360 we call the paranormal in terms of like psychic connections, mediums or so with 470 00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:06,320 their death experience and alien abductions and also with crypt zoology. Communication is normally 471 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,480 achieved through this mental transference for a better word, telepathy. We are the 472 00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:17,679 only species that cannot perform successfully this task of reading someone else's mind or knowing 473 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,159 what's going on in one person to another. So it's interesting I think that 474 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:30,159 these Grays appear fascinated by not only our genealogy or what makes us tick, 475 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:35,039 but also about this whole thing of memory. I think I think this is 476 00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:37,320 important as well. I mean, you know, what is it that you 477 00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,960 think, Steve, that they are in a roundabout way? After? What 478 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,360 do you think they're looking for? They could have created that? Well, 479 00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:51,440 I'm just asking Steve the question. I know you'll know if you read you 480 00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:55,079 read the Final Chester out of time do speculate a little bit about this, 481 00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:01,880 But I think there is evidence that they've they've been I think a hybrid race 482 00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:10,840 which are look one hundred percent human, but there's a small amount in them 483 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,480 that there's a small something in them in there they have Mentally, they seem 484 00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:20,880 to have the abilities, especially when they're in groups, they seem to have 485 00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:27,119 some abilities to control humans and to make them think things that they want them 486 00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:31,559 to think. And as an example, you know, I was talking to 487 00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:36,639 one one out to see says. He told me he was in a in 488 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:46,280 a store and the the hybrid that he was with took an item of clothing 489 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:52,079 and just walked out with it. And what he what he was given to 490 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:59,760 understand, was that he just made the security cameras for some reason not working 491 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:05,519 this in this area and for the shop staff to think, are that's okay, 492 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,079 you can do that, and then devot their attention to something else. 493 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:17,079 So they have they seem to demonstrate the ability to change human perception and to 494 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,719 control what they consider to be important or what they consider to be of noteworthy, 495 00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:30,840 and they can control you it to that degree. A lot of adruptees 496 00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:39,800 say when they deal with these hybrid humans that they are anxious about the propensity 497 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,679 for humans and human society to be violent, and they are very anxious about 498 00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:50,480 that, and they take measures to guard against being harmed by that, so 499 00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:58,239 that a lot of the way they organize is to neutralize or pacify humans mentally 500 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,679 so that they cannot be violent. The threat of this is removed. So 501 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,639 you know, we might we might consider that to be quite a useful faculty 502 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:15,559 to have in ourselves that in all circumstances, you know, all the time, 503 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:24,440 but that they they definitely are, they definitely have been creating a hybrid 504 00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:30,440 race and it is Back in the nineteen seventies nineteen eighties, people abducts thees 505 00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:36,320 used to report that they saw when they were abducted. They saw tanks of 506 00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:44,400 little cylindrical tanks of with fetuses in on an embryos and growing in in and 507 00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:47,719 just stating in a fluid tank with a with a umbilical cord attached. And 508 00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:58,079 at some point they're quote born and quotes and they become become toddlers and children, 509 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,280 and abducts sees were were always asked to play with them, or to 510 00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:07,440 nurture them, or to love them and interact with them. And for some 511 00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:15,480 reason, the aliens who instigates the program find I think consider this to be 512 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:23,880 very valuable that that abductees are encouraged to have emotional attachments to these these beings 513 00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:30,840 little look exactly like us, but they're not exactly like us. So what 514 00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:37,519 they're doing, what they're the the the intention eventually intention is I don't We 515 00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:43,960 really don't know. We can say for certain that these human looking hybrids have 516 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:50,559 been reported over a wide part of the world by thousands of adductees for many 517 00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:55,559 decades, that they seem to be able to have some mental control over humans 518 00:47:55,639 --> 00:48:00,320 and they look exactly like us, but they're not. Yes, I think 519 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:07,880 the bonding is like school, isn't it perhaps teaching them empathy or some degree 520 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,559 of emotion. It could be possible, as you have stated, that when 521 00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:17,400 they've reached a suitable level being human looking, they're placed down on Earth and 522 00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:22,000 integrated. Yeah, they seem to be. It seemed to be important to 523 00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:30,079 the integrator of the program that these beings are really nurtured in their environments and 524 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:37,800 they're introduced into the human environment at a much later stage when their loyalcy is 525 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:43,039 not cannot be questioned. Or Yes, what a marvelous way of integrate in 526 00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:47,079 the midst of the world silently and quietly. And if they are I just 527 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:52,480 had a thought, you know, if they are of extrastual makeup, the 528 00:48:52,559 --> 00:49:00,440 genetics a half and half, imagine the respectfully a breeding program that they eventual 529 00:49:01,199 --> 00:49:07,639 DNA manipulation, and what a wonderful way to colonize a planet very quietly. 530 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:13,480 You mean, the hybrids integrating. It's only a very vague thought. It's 531 00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:17,119 not it's just an idea. It's a program and anything, it's a massive 532 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:23,360 program. Yeah. I asked the question in what in a chapter at near 533 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,000 the end of the book called question Time. I asked how many abdications there 534 00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:32,159 are in the population. I think there's evidence, scans, evidence, but 535 00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:40,000 it's pray, fairly substantial in some ways. That's it's a measurable percentage of 536 00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:45,639 the human population. So the addoptacy population we're talking about now, not hybrids, 537 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,519 and I think it's between two percent and five percent of the living human 538 00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:53,280 population. So you could be talking to someone and not knowing that they are 539 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:59,039 actually a hybrid. Yeah, yeah, the hybrids. I don't know how 540 00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:02,960 many hybrides there are another but it's a massive program and that's what that seems 541 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:09,360 to be a main focus of what they're doing. So, I mean, 542 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:15,119 you know that about the sperm harvesting, you know, and overharvesting, Well 543 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,519 you'll do your listeners will very well to understand that. Yeah. Well, 544 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:25,119 I just say, I'm just going to say that male appltudies who have sufficient 545 00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:30,000 recovery of memories are very embarrassed about this, but they say that they they 546 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:36,480 sperm is taken off from them on every single occasion they're abducted, and so 547 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:42,599 you know, you ask why would they do that, because don't they know 548 00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:46,320 about freezing sperm samples like r ivs clinics too. You know, there's millions 549 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,679 and millions of sperm in each sample, so why don't they just freeze it? 550 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,239 And you know the apolite alone. There's a reason they go back to 551 00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,840 the world every time, and we can only speculate about that. But there's 552 00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:02,920 there's a US behind this and there's a reason they do that. So I 553 00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:07,639 wonder if it's because things are changing one other on Earth. It changes something 554 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,960 to them, respectfully, Yeah, it does. Something. They're testing them 555 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,599 to see if something they're introducing could perhaps modify this something they will speculate. 556 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:24,280 I speculate that male attitude. Well, all abdultacies are being being changed genetically 557 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:30,079 very subtly over time, and whatever whatever processes advocacy is subjects to that. 558 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:36,159 This modification takes a long times, like a whole generation and the next generation 559 00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:39,480 the next generation, and we can't tell the difference. Our genetic sciencests can't 560 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:45,920 sell the difference. Obviously they're looking for that, but it might be it 561 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:50,320 might be literally or just one or two genes which you're being subtly modified, 562 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:57,079 you know, on one chromosome. We just don't know what they're doing. 563 00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:02,320 But there's something that they're doing to the human genetics where you would expect because 564 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:07,639 the sperm is all newly manufactured, whereas over and not newly manufactured. There 565 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,840 there, there there, and then fewmale female childs are like several million at 566 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,880 birth and then they over just some of them, many most of them die. 567 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:23,360 But that one egg is released from one over them or the other every 568 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:30,199 twenty eight days for the whole facility period of the other woman. So whereas 569 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:34,480 the sperm is newly manufactured, and that you'd expect, if there were genetic 570 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:42,039 changes being being done to the abducty population, you'd would be able to detect 571 00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:44,800 or measure that and a certain and that's maybe the reason why they have to 572 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,679 do that, why they choose to take a new sample every time, you 573 00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:52,079 know, because that samples freshly up to date with that's do you know what 574 00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:54,840 I love about this? We're all like in a way like Sherlock Holmes. 575 00:52:55,199 --> 00:53:00,519 You can open up these boxes and you can deduce or deduct. But it 576 00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:02,239 doesn't mean to say that's right, but it's good that I know what I 577 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,880 love about you. You open up all these boxes, Steve like us, 578 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:07,440 and we look at them and think, well, can it or can it? 579 00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:10,079 Can it not? It's only way we can try and figure this out, 580 00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:14,199 rather like a jigsaw puzzle, putting the pieces together. I mean, 581 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,559 we're probably at a far cry from what they are doing, but my goodness, 582 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:22,360 your people, like yourself, were given it, your best shot and 583 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,719 qualified enough to actually do so. I want to ask you a question, 584 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:30,360 Steve, do you believe that they are When I say they, I mean 585 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,719 these grays, these aliens will not necessarily the grays, but the force, 586 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,079 the intelligence behind the masking of what's going on. Do you think they have 587 00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:46,519 our interests at heart or do you think they're here only for their own agenda. 588 00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:52,480 That's almost impossible to answer, I understood. I don't think they're doing 589 00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:58,760 it exclusively for us. No, I think they're doing it for their own 590 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,239 purposes. But I'm from what I get, from what I can pick up, 591 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,920 I think they sincerely believe, maybe with good cause, that we are 592 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:15,840 going to benefit from this in ways that they see would be beneficial to us 593 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,840 in the long term. Yes, yes, in the long term. Yeah. 594 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,360 Look at they look at here. You know, the way the humans 595 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:30,679 organize their societies, and they see chaos and yeah really so, yeah, 596 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:36,119 I don't understand either, Steve, that you know, within our culture and 597 00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:40,480 our society, you know, people want to state the unobvious that we are 598 00:54:42,199 --> 00:54:47,760 a violence species, that you know, we have so much to change within 599 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,440 ourselves and within the world. And it makes me laugh, you know, 600 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,280 because you know, with this denial of the UFO phenomena, and yeah, 601 00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:01,000 you know, you just stand and you you just to observe a tiny portion 602 00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:05,639 of what we call space. So we don't even understand. And I've never 603 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,360 been able to get my head around the fact to say, well, what 604 00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:15,039 is your problem in not accepting the idea? But there's alldoctrination. Yeah, 605 00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:21,440 I be govertized into getting up and you're owning money, paying tax and living 606 00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,960 as long as you can. And that leads me on to my next question. 607 00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:28,679 I'm going to ask Steve, where do you think, Steve, they 608 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,760 are coming from? Where do you think they're hanging out? Are they in 609 00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:38,400 the bar down your own or I Actually I've never really, I've never really 610 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,360 giden that much source in those terms. What are your ideas about that? 611 00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:47,920 Well, I have this idea there's two that there's possible and it's they're nothing 612 00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:52,559 though, one is that they we know they're here already, that there is 613 00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:57,760 question that they are beneath the surface of the world, under the oceans, 614 00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,320 which would which would make sense because they'll be areas that they can't be got 615 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,440 at. I think in terms of like caves and caverns, they're quite they 616 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,960 you know, earthquakes well live in style, I should actually or there is 617 00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:15,039 what they call the interdimensional hypothesis, which is I think more in line with 618 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:22,239 because the only way that we know that well, I can't state categorically that 619 00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,480 we you know, but the way that the objects came. The last viewing 620 00:56:25,519 --> 00:56:30,920 of our UFOs, which were spectacular and very at low arrange, the area 621 00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:36,440 around us was like a bubble. So it kind of like was a feeling 622 00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:42,079 that the energy or the intelligences had somehow altered and not so much as time, 623 00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:45,079 but the space around where it was thrown in. Yeah, it like 624 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:50,280 it. Like, so I think that it's possible that you know, some 625 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,679 scientists I've heard saying it's impossible, Well, they're fools, because science changes. 626 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,800 It does. Yeah, it's modified according to what needed to what's in 627 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:06,079 discovered in it. Yes, it's the interdimentional hypothsis does explain a lot of 628 00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:13,480 things that I'm not sure scientifically we know we understand that very I mean we 629 00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:17,559 don't. We don't understand no more than communicating with those on the other side 630 00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:24,119 that operate on a completely different frequency or vibration that can sometimes occasionally be matched 631 00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:29,360 by the individual. So I think that there are that we hear of these 632 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,519 stories of ending it had experience, and people have these amazing experiences, and 633 00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:36,239 they are in a world that's more real to them that no one else can 634 00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,039 see. And I think that perhaps these entities are able to interlock into our 635 00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:43,639 reality and do much the same thing, but on a completely different level. 636 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:50,519 I was just adding that, you know, I saw recently this Congress referring 637 00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:57,840 to these crash disks putting the other side apart basically with the technology of this. 638 00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:04,159 It absolutely staggered me to believe that they think they could back engineer these 639 00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:08,719 things, because we're talking about two completely alien worlds. Will give it that 640 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:15,440 definition so we can understand it. A technology that is so advanced, and 641 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,800 this is you see, I know why people are doing it. They're knocking 642 00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:23,960 the people who suspect as I do with those at Congress of a gentleman who's 643 00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,599 the whistleblower, I do admire him very much, admire I think. I 644 00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:31,599 think he's trying to bring out the truth as well as the journalist. Brilliant 645 00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:35,559 man, wonderful man. But the thing is that I agree with them. 646 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:38,159 I don't think this tech would be easy to back engineer because it would be 647 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:45,239 rather like with all due respect to Caveman discovering a transistor radio or your cell 648 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:53,400 phone. It's just it's just these ideas. But the people who argue this 649 00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:57,639 and say they have is because they don't want egg on their face, so 650 00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,840 ego comes into it. They can't be proved wrong, as the Ross Walship 651 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:05,719 people are stating, matter of factory that it didn't happen because they published books 652 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,320 on it. And of course they're saying where it's a proof, well there 653 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,079 was a There is no proof at the moment. This is the whole point. 654 00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:15,920 They're pushing for proof. The Congress cannot give proof until they have permission 655 00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:20,039 or they have insights into it where they can open this up. They have 656 00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:23,239 to wave for this for photographs and documentations to come out. I think this 657 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:28,440 is the thing with you of a community. It is very ugly because in 658 00:59:28,519 --> 00:59:35,440 a sense, it is very unhappy because you have the diversity that is absolutely 659 00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:39,519 magnified beyond any shadow of a doubt. You mentioned anything online anything, If 660 00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:42,719 I put a comment on them, my goodness, you will get one, 661 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,960 two, three who will completely attack you. They know all the answers. 662 00:59:45,239 --> 00:59:52,519 Nobody knows anything but people as yourself. You're qualified to answer these because you've 663 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:57,639 had first had experience with them them and I think that's admirable of you coming 664 00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:00,519 out and publishing this wonderful book and ladies and gentlemen, it's beautifully written, 665 01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:05,719 so well researched, beautifully researched, and Steve has taken a lot of time 666 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,079 to write it. Actually I called him, I made him love. I 667 01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:16,119 called him a perfectionist, Yeah, perfectionist. Yeah, yes, it's it's 668 01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:20,440 been very thoroughly edited, and it's a feather in your cap. Wonder, 669 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,000 it's a feather in your cap. So we are coming to the end of 670 01:00:23,039 --> 01:00:27,880 the program. I can't believe how quickly an hour goes. But I just 671 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,519 have to say Steve that it's been an honor to have you on our show, 672 01:00:30,599 --> 01:00:36,519 and we will have you back on at some point in time, not 673 01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:40,559 out of time, hopefully. I think that that title is so out of 674 01:00:40,639 --> 01:00:45,920 time it's beautiful. I'm just going to give the book title out of Time 675 01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:51,880 the intergenerational Abduction program explored by Steve Aspen. Steve Aspen has met with some 676 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,480 of the finest minds within your pharmacy, and I have to tell you, 677 01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:59,519 ladies and gentlemen, his book is first to class and when I read it, 678 01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:05,760 I have to say it was like Communion when that came out. I 679 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,480 mean, this book is but so much more involved in the scientific, more 680 01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:15,199 scientific, specially with the implument you have. I tried to plant and tell 681 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:21,519 a story that would engage people. Also, it's important that to just make 682 01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:25,960 the point that I was writing for a certain kind of audience that like, 683 01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:32,400 I've worked in them in surgery and medical diagnostics for decades of my life, 684 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,960 and I've met hundreds, maybe thousands of surgeons that I worked with, and 685 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:45,679 consultant physicians and humisologists and semples, and I know the way this population thinks, 686 01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:54,119 and a lot of them are really quite open minded if forensic, scientific 687 01:01:54,239 --> 01:02:00,840 medical evidence about something is presented, So what I wanted to do that They're 688 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:07,199 pretty much dismissive of the paranormal in general, because you know, they don't 689 01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:09,800 really haven't seen the evidence for it, and they they're so busy, you 690 01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:15,320 know, they that they can't you know, they're so caught up in their 691 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:22,079 in their responsibilities. So I wanted something that would appeal to that particular sector 692 01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:29,119 of the reading public where the the forensic, medical, scientific evidence is going 693 01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:36,679 to grab them, to impress them to the degree that they might actually take 694 01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:42,039 it seriously and think, yeah, this could be true for let's talk about 695 01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:46,920 that. And I think that your doctors in higher places may not have seen 696 01:02:47,039 --> 01:02:51,440 you, or they could have seen you writing this book, and there could 697 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:57,199 be one of them now fingering through its pages. Some of them will recognize 698 01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:02,039 me from the photograph and know who I am. But I never went I 699 01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:07,760 never went there with this subject asshold during my professional life. I just kept 700 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,960 it. Yeah, like like you know, they have a secret life. 701 01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:15,440 You know. Well, it's a good job that you have brought it forward, 702 01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:20,599 because you're bringing a whole news stance to the subject matter. Attitudes are 703 01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:28,159 changing and a change and it's a valuables. This something on with the US 704 01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:34,880 Congress and David Grush and all the other you know witnesses and is opening up 705 01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:44,679 the make it a more serious and credible thing. But question and the book 706 01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:47,119 will be on generously on twenty fourth four of us which it will be in 707 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:55,400 hardcover, a classy hardcover with one oh five fridges and pages and color illustrations, 708 01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:01,039 and a paperback which shall be half prices are cover with great scale illustrations, 709 01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:05,559 and an ebook and they will all appear around about the same time, 710 01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:12,960 around about the twenty fourth War was in high street bookshops and online from Amazon, 711 01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:16,280 Waterstones and on these retail a lists, so you'll be able to get 712 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,840 it anywhere. Congress elections for that yes, so that is amazing and lessen 713 01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:26,719 and do you have a website as well, and you've got out of Time 714 01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:32,159 book dot info wonderful. So that's out of Time Book dot info. So 715 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,079 if you go to that web page, you'll see how you can how you 716 01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:43,360 can order it. Well, we'll get that information on the platform when your 717 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,679 show airs. And we just want to say a big thank you to Steve 718 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:50,920 for taking the time out. A remarkable man, a remarkable book, and 719 01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:55,679 I'm telling you that book is just going to fly off the shelves. When 720 01:04:55,719 --> 01:05:00,159 it comes back, because every single person interested in your apology, and even 721 01:05:00,239 --> 01:05:05,639 researchers should have that problems has been given glittering reviews. Yeah, from esteemed 722 01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:10,719 colleagues in the UFO field, New fun as well, members of that I 723 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,679 believe. Well, yes, but thank you very much, Steve. It's 724 01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:17,360 been a pleasure having you on. Thank you guys, fantastic. Yeah, 725 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,039 see you next time. Yes, yeah, and you've been You've been listening 726 01:05:21,079 --> 01:05:26,199 to Twin Souls in association with a panel UK Radio network. Your host, 727 01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:30,239 Philip I Look and seller are esteemed guests. Steve Aspin, author of Out 728 01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:33,760 of Time, the intergenerational Abduction program, explored go out and buy it. 729 01:05:34,119 --> 01:06:05,920 You will not be disappointed. Us in