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It's the Dearly Departed Podcast, featuring
your host, historian Scott Michaels and filmmaker

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Mike Dorsey. All Right, and
welcome to another episode of the Dearly Departed

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Podcast. There is no earthly way
of knowing which direction we are going.

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Somebody's been watching a movie. I'm
Mike Dorsey, I'm Scott Michaels, and

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this is Dearly Departed Podcast. And
if you couldn't tell, we are doing

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Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory,
the classic, the original the well yeah

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yeah, I mean yeah, the
original movie. It is the original movie.

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Yeah, it has to be right, but yeah, yeah. Somebody,

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my friend callexually actually suggested that we
call this the Dearly Departed Podcast.

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Oh that's good. That's not hate
mail, that's like wit, that's like

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pun mail. But yeah that's how
I think. That's actually how they say

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in Boston Departed. You're right,
yeah you probably would. Yeah, yeah,

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very good, very good. Sounds
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Not at all, not at all. Um, So we uh, some

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Yeah, so we flipped the switch. We don't know. Maybe an

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That's just one, just one.
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always be AD free on our Patreon
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up. And we just did another
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hour and a half long episode a
couple weeks ago. Just we go over

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more current events, deaths and Hollywood
stuff and other and various tripe in various

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tripe. Yes, speaking of extra
things, you had an interesting post about

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an unsolved murderer in LA history that
I had never heard of. Yeah,

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it wasn't it something in frank selectr. Yeah, the I was at David

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Olman's house, our mutual friend who
lives on Clo Drive. And I met

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his niece and she came to I. You know, it was a story

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I think I'd heard of before,
and then we got to talking about it

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and I found out she was who
she was and uh. And then she

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came to the shop and she gave
me this Frankenstein painting that hung in our

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hanged I think it's hanged in her
uncle's in her uncle's living room and and

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it's incredible to do the deep dive
and uh, and it was. It's

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a pretty fascinating case. So Frank
Seletry was the producer. Um got into

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the black exploitation thing, most famous
for Blackenstein, which was a riff on

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black que law in the early seventies. But then he was he was murdered

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and is still an unsolved murder.
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thousand dollars rewards. So that was
that was kind of cool to be involved

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in a true crime case. So
absolutely, I hope something comes of that.

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That'd be Really he had been he
had been an attorney. Yes,

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Also I think he was involved in
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yeah, see, I mean,
the most curious association with his ex

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girlfriend. Her name was Liz Renee, who was a stripper burlesque they would

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you know, some would say,
and and she was most famous for streaking

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down Hollywood Boulevard in publicity for a
show she was going to be opening up

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and what's now the Eye of Our
theater, and she was arrested and charged

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with I think it was lude conduct
or something to that effect. And Frank

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Selectry represented her but because of her, and they were boyfriend and girlfriend for

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a while. Her ax was Mickey
Cohen the gangster. So there were all

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sorts of like degrees of of of
who knows what happened to him, because

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you know, he was shot in
the head, but there was a screwdriver

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there that they used to puncture him, which makes it it wouldn't a fatal

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wound, but it makes it sound
as if he was tortured first. And

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it's just it's really something and and
shockingly little information was out there. So

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I was really honored to be able
to h to tell the story. And

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yeah, it was very nice of
them to abstind to to do that for

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me. So unsolved murder in his
house and his house was famously had been

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previously owned by Well. Now that's
confusing because he used to live in a

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home the Battle of the Ghosts.
He lived in in Whitley House, the

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Ghostie's House, where he'd correct he
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you know, quirky sunset boulevard mansions
up in Whitley Heights. But he moved

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out and the mansion was torn down. So then he moved into where he

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was up in the Hollywood Hills.
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You know that's up there. Uh, that was there in the twenties,

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and and it's it's it's an old
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another good story. But any one
of the first cults in Los Angeles was

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called Krotona with a K. But
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for Kretona is right below his backyard. So um. Anyway, Yeah,

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and them the paint in the painting
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on that? It was his?
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was the story as it came from
Battle Legosi's home. I don't know how

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true that is, but I see
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And he did have all those kind
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know, memorabilia, caskets, et
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photoproof of a being in his house
at least, and it was before people

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were bragging about memorabilia, you know, trying to pass it off as anything

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else. I don't think it was
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the providences, it was there.
And interestingly, because Cindy who gave that

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to me, also donated the mirror
that Zach has in his museum that was

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better to goost He's mirror. She's
the one that gave it. She showed

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up on that show Zach was doing
and presented her with this this haunted mirror.

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And now Zach I think, I
think they make you sign a waiver

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if you look into it. You
can't sue him if if you get possessed

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or something like that, something follows
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um that's stuff. But but yeah, so that Cindy gave that to Zach

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and gave the painting to me,
so it was Uh, she's a nice

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and generous lady. And I hope
something comes of it, I really do.

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I hope they do it. So
again at Frank Celetry was murdered in

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the Hollywood Hills and it was never
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yeah, who knows. Yeah,
look it up on my YouTube channel on

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a de Leader part online and uh
and you will see the video it's it's

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at the house and hear the whole
story. It's it's it's anyway. It's

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pretty good stuff. I mean,
you know, not good for the family,

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but right good good for content.
So, speaking of Zach, I

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can we talked about this a little
bit on the Patreon show, but I

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can finally talk about the show I've
been doing with Zach Bagans. I've been

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I've been the showrunner and I've edited
a couple of episodes also for Ghost Adventures

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House Calls, which is the new
Ghost Adventures spinoff, which by the time

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this episode comes out will have premiered
because we're recording this on the eighteenth,

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and tomorrow to nineteenth is the world
premiere on Discovery Plus of that series.

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That's exciting. I saw the trailer
yesterday that you posted. It's really it

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looks really good, and I was
relieved to see a big house because I

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was you know, when he goes
my hearted story is going to be like

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a one bedroom apartment or something,
but to see like a cool proper house,

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and there's houses of all sizes.
We did eight episodes, so eight

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locations, very diverse, and it
was a super interesting, fun series to

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produce. So I've been reading Humphrey
Bogart's biography and I watched Um High Sierra

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for the first time. As I'd
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I'll watch some of the films as
I go along. You know that they

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mentioned, so I kind of go, this is where they were in their

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life when they did you know this
movie U And that was awesome because they

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filmed that actually up in the Sierras. Have you been up there? Yeah?

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Well, Um, I made my
documentary of the Oiler House. The

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architecture one was about my house in
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I've been to Lone Pine tons and
tons of times. I've and I

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in the history of they've filmed over
like three hundred movies and TV shows in

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Lone Pine, like all the Great
Westerns, A bunch of them were shot

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there. Gunga Din was shot there, like yeah, it's you still see

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it in things. It was in
the first Iron Man Movieum was the see

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It's you know it stood in for
like Afghanistan or something. So yeah,

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nice, well cool. So so
you enjoyed the movie, Yeah, I

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see it is great. Yeah,
I recommend it. It's it's fascinating because

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Bogart, you know, um,
he was a B lister in the first

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few years of his life. It
took a long time for him to convince

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Warner Brothers that he could be like
an A list star. It's kind of

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wild to look back on that now
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he was just kind of a heavy. He played a heavy in all his

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movies. Yeah, and he didn't
get the glamorous death. You know,

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he was just good he's dead kind
of character. You know. Yeah,

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he's he said when I've never developed
an appreciation for But how far along are

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you in the duck? In the
book, I'm about a third of the

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way through. So he's up to
Hira, is what he's up to now?

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Yes, Icierra was the first time
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big you know, in an A
list picture that like established him like,

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Okay, he's for real now.
Ra was like a major turning point,

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is he So he's married to his
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he was married to his second wife, who was a very tumultuous, crazy,

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drunken Yeah, house basically from both
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bottles, getting thrones at people's heads
kind of relationship. Yeah, I can,

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I can. That's something that's his. And he lived and he lived

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with her just north of Sunset Plaza. Um there like a block up now

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it's like in a big sixties apartment
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of his the house. You know, I say that because the Sierras will

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come up again in this conversation.
Okay, I don't know that. That's

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interesting. I look forward to that. I am older now than Humphrey bog

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Are ever wise. What oh my
gosh, I know right. He died

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when he was fifty nine, and
very soon I will be sixty. So

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um so yeah, wow. When
when's your birthday? August? But yeah,

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we're both. Here's something that's interesting. My birthday the same day as

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Roman Polanski and Vincent BOULIOSI. What, I swear to God, it's crazy

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those guys have the same birthday.
I know. Wow, you know,

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it's it's weird. It's weird.
But yeah, sou but that was just

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a fact that stumbled upon fairly recently
about Bogart, and it's like, oh

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my god, those people, you
know, they were doing movies when they

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were thirty, and they looked like
they were, you know, eighty,

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right, But that's like looking at
your high school yearbook and seeing the faces

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of the kids that were seniors and
still they still look older, but they're

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only like seventeen, right. Anyway, Um, do you have any hate

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mail? You don't, No,
I don't, I don't. You know,

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they would only be hate comments,
and they're really nothing worth mentioning.

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It's very disappointing. No more name
calling unless Troy's cut them all off on

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me, so maybe that's possible.
All right, then let's get into the

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main feature, Willy Wonka. It's
time for the main feature. So this

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is Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, the nineteen seventy one version of the

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film, the first film version of
it based on the original book, which

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was called Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. And I thought it was interesting they

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changed the name for the film because, in large part because they got Quaker

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Oats to fund the film. This
was the biggest revelation for me when I

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when I found that out, I
was like, whoa, that's just so.

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It was all about then releasing a
new candy and they wanted to promote

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it, and mel Stewart just said, I know, we'll make a movie.

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Right. Yeah, he had he
realized. He goes, I have

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a movie about a chocolate factory and
here's a major corporation trying to market a

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new chocolate candy bar. So there
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So Quaker Oats put up the money
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story of what happened afterwards is just
as fascinating. How you know, Paramount

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didn't didn't want it after because it
wasn't a success. Uh, And Paramount

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got rid of it a couple of
years later, and nobody wanted it.

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So Quaker Oats got it and they
didn't know what they had and within the

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Warner got it for like five hundred
thousand and he sold it the Warner Brothers.

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It's crazy. Yeah, when the
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expired in seventy seven, you know, six years afterwards. Yeah, they

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didn't see that. They didn't think
it was valuable enough to renew it's just

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nuts because it made some money,
but it wasn't a huge it wasn't a

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bomb. It just didn't make a
lot of money. So it was like,

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it's it's fascinating. I mean with
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Well, of course it was.
Again, it was the days before

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DVTs and vhs and and then memorabilia
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now you know now probably I know
it's not but just saying like Jane Wilder's

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costume probably costs, could you could
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movie cost a little bit of an
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they America was completely out of the
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they felt like London was too recognizable, too much stuff was getting made there.

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they wanted those timeless anywhere, any
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you know, even the fashions were
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Maybe some of the language in the
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like one of the opening scenes,
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houses and stuff. It's like all
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for like Sprite and Luke thansa airway, airlines and stuff like that. So

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I did notice a couple of odd
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he also when Charlie early on,
when Charlie is um looking in the window

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of the candy store and then he
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he like, kind of he walks
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he I miss that was seeing a
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They picked the magical, weird,
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landy kind of plays, which you
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stuff that survived the war anyway,
and uh and uh, and that it

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was and I guess they used the
uh the Munich. They feel mostly in

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Munich, at the Munich Gas Works
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the front gate and the two side
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kind of the in the deep background, the kind of smoke stacky building is

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gone now, but the moh is
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still there. Okay. Yeah,
the side buildings in the front gate are

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all still the same though. And
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watched a couple of docs documentaries.
I watched The Pure Imagination the story of

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Willie Walk and the Chocolate Factory,
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late nineties, possibly early two thousands, and there's a book called with the

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same name. And then this was
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twenty years ago called After They Were
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series, and they did one on
Walking. They got all five kids to

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come back as adults and they took
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to the gates and everything. It
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was room, took them back to
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reminesque. It was really, really, really fascinating. I'll have to look

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at that. I missed that completely. I watched the documented the documentary,

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and I did watch it, watch
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with the commentary. They had all
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was kind of fun to listen to. But I definitely want to I've seen

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that. Actually, I remember that
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one with um the Sound of Music, and they brought all the kids back

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to Streon, you know where they
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the you know, balancing on a
certain step and they all these kids and

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they're like fifties and sixties are.
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reunion, you know, they're all
adults now. And Michael Bohlner, who

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played the Augustus group, he grew
up to be six foot seven. He's

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still just giant. I don't think
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least he didn't the thing but they

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said back when he filmed the movie
he had he did not know English like

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at all. You couldn't say fudge
a budge. It came out like weirdly,

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and he could not do the f's
correctly. We started up, you

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know, I feel hungry? Could
I had? You know? That was

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you know, that was when he
went, how does that make you feel

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hungry? He was, But then
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of the time, too, sure, but right, right, right right,

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but uh but yeah, it's he
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then he was the first kid to
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you know, I was thinking about
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like a dozen lines in the commentary. He hardly spoke at all. But

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I do think it's a language thing
more so. But then he didn't have

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a lot to reminisce about. And
and as soon as they asked him a

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question, the other kids were saying, oh, so, um, you

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know, what's the first thing were
you ever on the set for any of

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the other stuff after you left?
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of course the kids are like,
oh, here's the thing I'm in.

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lines in the whole commentary. But
you know, that's just your actory kind

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of thing. Here's something that I'm
fascinating that I'm in right here. But

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poor guy, no, no,
but hey, you know, and while

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anyway we're gonna we're gonna get into
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mentioned the you know, the Willie
Wonka candy and you know, the Quaker

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Roads connection and all that, and
you can't I don't think you can get

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the Wonka bars anymore. I think
they discontinued them years ago, possibly but

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apparently. But the irony was when
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there was something wrong with the formula, which it's just so ironic considering it's

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Wonka and they I think the problem
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basically okay, and so they had
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three million dollar promotional movie that they've
created to launch this candy bar with,

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and there's no candy bars on the
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them. Basically, that's wild and
Quake Roads had hung onto the movie,

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they'd have made their money back,
you know, two thousand folds. Yeah,

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it's it's uh, that's quite I
mean, it's probably made tens of

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millions of dollars by now, because
easily just like what you know when we

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talk about UM it's a wonderful life
kind of similar thing. Not a huge

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hit when it came out, but
then when TV syndication came around, when

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to sort of airing it on TV
every year, and VHS came out and

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everything, it was like this whole
market popped up and made these movies bigger

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than they were. Yeah, when
I first came out. Yeah, did

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you ever watch the two thousand and
five remake with Johnny Depp? I did,

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you know? And I even bought
it, but I haven't watched it

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since I bought it. But I
remember liking it enough to buy it.

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But I can't say I remember much
about it, just that he was a

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very well I could. I remember
that. I couldn't stop thinking he looked

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like Michael Jackson vividly. But but
no, I don't remember much about the

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movie. Really, I don't either. But all I really remember, and

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I know I saw it, but
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Hinson studio a lot at the time, and they had their rap party or

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their premier party or something big party
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courtyard that's in the middle of Jim
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set. Wow. And I have
photos that all put up on the video

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version of this podcast so you can
see it. I found the old photos

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I took that was like two thousand
and five. Awesome. I look forward

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to seeing those. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's really cool. And

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they're making another Wonka film that comes
out next year with Timothy Shalomi. I

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don't know who that is. He's
great. Shalom has been at tons of

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stuff. He was in the Homeland
series for a season, but he's most

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famous. He was an Interstellar,
but probably most famous. He really kind

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of hit his stride with Ladybird.
He plays kind of the the love interest

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in Ladybird, the kind of bad
boy love interest, I guess. And

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he's the star of Call Me by
Your Name. And he was in the

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New Little Women remake they did a
couple of years ago. He was just

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in the French Dispatch, He's in
the New Dune movie, and now he's

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in what they're just calling it Wonka. It's gonna be the name of the

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film. Is it the same story
about, you know, Willy Wonka opening

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up his chocolate factory or I think
it's like it's like a prequel. It's

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like young Willy Wonka. Okay,
well that'll be dark. I'm sure.

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I guess it's interesting because you know, Roald Dahl, we're going to talk

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about who's the author of the original
book. He I don't think he wrote

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any of that, any of that
story. He wrote a sequel book that

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was never made into a movie,
and he started writing a third book that

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he never finished. They put out
like one pair, like one chapter of

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it. Yeah, so this is
someone else's, you know, completely someone

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in difference, you know, imagining
of what the prequel would be. I

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guess, but I don't I don't
know. Well, I'm sure they're going

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to be compensated for that the dollars. I love the cast, Timothy Shallowme,

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Olivia Coleman, Keegan, Michael Key. That's you know, it's fantastic

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cast. Hopefully they Rowan Atkinson's in. Its awesome. That's awesome. I

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just wanted to point out we're talking
about the Munich Gas works where they filmed

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it, and there's that scene,
a really haunting scene at the very beginning,

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where you know, Charlie buckets walking
in his nighttime and he walks to

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the front gate and he sees the
tow or the big smokestack with the Wonka,

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which apparently wasn't really there. They
like painted it on frame by frame

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on the film itself or on the
negative. But um, he's sitting there

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and then and then all of a
sudden, out of nowhere, this like

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guy with this noisiest possible cart on
the planet, which wasn't there. When

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he shows up, turns around,
it gives a whole scary speech about you

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know, the little men, uh, the fear of little men or something

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like that, and then he does
that famous nobody ever comes in, nobody

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ever comes out, which is such
a great set up for that place.

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Um and except for except for now
we know slug Worth he must have gone

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in and out because because you know, he worked for Willy Wonka. So

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up. Uh So yeah, that
was that. But I just thought that

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was kind of kind of funny and
interesting about the tinker who because he turns

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around, it moves, and he's
got like it's like he's got a whole

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thing of tin garbage cans and stuff. But he wasn't there at first,

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So it's kind of funny but magic. Yeah. So um so Mel Stewart

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was the director, and he made
the movie because his daughter Madaline liked the

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book basically, and that has happened
so many times, I feel like in

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Hollywood history where the kid gets their
parents to do something, usually sometimes as

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an actor or whatever. But she
really liked it, and m her and

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one of his other sons appear in
the movie. Right Peter, He the

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son Peter Stewart is in the candy
store when um, he goes scrum dible,

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umptuous bar? How does he do
it? I think that's Peter.

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in I think she's in Charlie's class.

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She's in the black and white striped
kind of sweater. And when the teacher

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asked how many candy bars each kid
bought so they can talk about percentages,

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she's the first one to answer.
She says she bought a hundred, and

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then Charlie gets shamed because he's poor
and he only bought two. Two.

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Yeah, well, Peter, you
know Tony that I used to work for

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Peter Stewart. He was my old
boss in England. What I know?

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Right, So all that I was
working on a show called Eurotrash and which

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was a culty kind of show and
the company is called Repeato, and then

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I worked on a couple of other
things with them. I was one was

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called Unzipped and one was called Rock
Babylon. But I found out that my

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boss was Peter Stewart. So I
got to talking to Peter and he's like,

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oh, yeah, well, my
dad, you know, this is

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before the internet. The internet just
started because we're using it all the time

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for the research. But but but
he told me that, you know,

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my dad was Mel Stewart, and
he told me that his dad, capp

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Gene Wilder's hat still had it and
uh and um. But it was funny

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because I was I had taped videotaped
the copy of Marilyn Manson's um video called

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Dope Hat, and it was it
was like ninety five that that that that

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came out and it's a total It's
like Marilyn Manson on the boat. The

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whole scene on the boat is redone. It's really well done too, with

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Opa Loompa's in costume. The whole
bit really well done. And Peter had

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never seen it before. So I
was, oh, no, you gotta

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check this out. You can check
it over and he's like, oh,

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that's my dad's thing, So it
was kind of it was kind of funny,

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but uh, but yeah, Peter
was Peter was an interesting man,

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and uh, and I enjoyed.
I don't Repeato went under. I don't

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know whatever happened to him after that, but but I remember that's how that

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by Christian party that year, I
got to hang out and have drinks with

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Richard Branson because Richard Branson was part
of the one of the people that owned

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Repeato. He was like one of
the partners. It was a bizarre time,

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it really was. But working on
Eurotrash was a lot of fun.

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That was a that was a great
show. Did Peter tell you anything else

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about the movie? Or did years
they were talking about Wonka, I found

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out that they didn't. He and
Mel had a very complicated relationship, so

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it was not And Peter was a
very intense individual. So he was one

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of those guys that if you caught
him at a good time, it was

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really good. Uh, it'd becaut
him a bad time. It's just just

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yeah, it was. It's very
tense sometimes. So no, I didn't,

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it didn't come up very much.
It didn't come I wish I would

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have known more so now I would
have been a bit more aggressive with the

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questioning. But but I don't know. It was kind of cold to be

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able to talk to him for a
bit about it. Anyway. Um,

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his sister who's in the film,
Madeline, I think she's a respected interior

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designer now in Los Angeles. Oh
she lived here. Okay, yeah,

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I believe so, Yeah, I
wonder, I wonder if Peter's still in

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England. He's got to be well
anyway, Yeah, interesting, but yeah,

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So the kid comes up with the
book and says, you got to

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do this, and our uncle is
a David Walper, the producer, he

405
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:32.960
could put up the money for it. Like the little ten year old's going

406
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:38.240
to say that I'm gonna I'm gonna
package this deal for your dad. You

407
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:45.440
can get financing from me. But
but uh, but yeah, anyway,

408
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.519
but yeah, mel mel Stewart was
ah. I didn't know that he directed

409
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:53.920
the TV show um Ripley's Believe It
or Not either And that was a big

410
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:59.680
staple on American television, which lends
into this whole wacky kind of Willie Wonka

411
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:03.759
feel. You know, all these
weird sort of things different shapes and sizes

412
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.799
and unbelievable and etc. So Yeah, he was mainly a TV director and

413
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:14.160
producer guy, and this is definitely
the biggest thing he did. But he

414
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:18.200
also did the Oscar nominated documentary Four
Days in November, which was about the

415
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:22.240
JFK assassination. Oh was it came
out? Which came out like the year

416
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:26.359
after JFK was assassinated. It was
like an early film on it. Yeah,

417
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:33.799
he was the director of that.
Hm. Wow, good timing anyway?

418
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.519
Was Mel? He passed away on
August ninth, two twelve. He

419
00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.559
was eighty three years old. He
had melanoma. Scrum diddle, i'mptious,

420
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:45.279
how does he do it? Scrum
diblely, i'mpshous he had, Yeah,

421
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.720
he had the hat and I looked
it up. He had he had sold

422
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.920
the or the hat sold in two
thousand and twelve or seventy four thousand,

423
00:28:53.720 --> 00:28:56.799
Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka hat. So
Mel had it. I think it was

424
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.519
the only prop he had. In
fact, I did ask that and he

425
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:03.599
did tell me that his dad had
the hat. But otherwise, um,

426
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:10.799
but yeah, seventy four k who
knew well and um Julie don Cole who

427
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.240
played Ruca Salt, who's still alive. I think she took one of the

428
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:18.319
golden eggs, because that's her big
scene where she exits is the geese laying

429
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:21.640
the golden eggs. She took a
golden egg. I think she kept her

430
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:26.680
gob Stopper and her golden ticket Smart
Girl with her, and I think two

431
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:32.200
of those were I saw were sold. Had an auction years ago for like

432
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:37.599
fifteen thousand pounds, seventeen thousand pounds
something like that. The gobstrapper I heard

433
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:41.480
they went from forty kum. Oh
really, yeah, that's what I heard.

434
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:44.319
I was I was looking. I
tried looking him up on that Heritage

435
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:47.880
auction site because they, I know, the whole Willi Wonka outfit. They

436
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.880
had him one piece and that sold
too. I think that was eighty thousand.

437
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:53.759
Not the hats, but this the
shirt, you know, the coat,

438
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.359
The shirt and the pants and the
hat was sold separate. I'd be

439
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.200
bound, wouldn't it to have that, like the costume and not the hat.

440
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:07.920
That would suck exactly all right,
We'll rest in peace. Mel Stewart

441
00:30:10.559 --> 00:30:15.480
and the novel was based off of
the great children's author Roald Dahl, who

442
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.200
I've seen his name pronounced multiple times. I've seen it pronounced Rold. I've

443
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.119
seen rowled, yeah, and then
I've seen a kind of ruled ruled.

444
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:27.119
It was Norwegian, so it's probably
some pronunciation we aren't accustomed to. Yeah,

445
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:30.799
I'm going by the people in the
commentary who knew him and dealt with

446
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:36.559
them, and they were saying,
there you go. But yeah, he

447
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:40.759
was a complicated man as well.
He was very complicated. He was sorry.

448
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.720
He was six foot six, He's
a very tall guy, and it's

449
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:47.079
very odd he flew fighter planes.
He was a fighter pilot in World War

450
00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:51.960
Two, which is very unusual for
someone of his height to be stuffed into

451
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:53.720
the cockpit of a fighter. I
mean, I've known World War Two fighter

452
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:57.160
pilots and most of them were short, short guys. Interesting, they're in

453
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.839
crapped situations, so it's kind of
unusual. I don't Maybe for the Brits

454
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.920
maybe it wasn't as unusual. But
yeah, he got injured a few times,

455
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:08.119
he survived a crash, and he
knew Um. Seems like everybody knew

456
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:11.839
this guy in the war. He
knew Ian Fleming, who created James bond

457
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:18.720
Oh, who also wrote Shitty Chitty
Bang Bang, who I think Rold worked

458
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.400
on the script for that. Didn't
He who wrote the screenplay for Yeah,

459
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:26.920
and Rold also wrote You Only Lived
Twice screenplay for it. So yeah,

460
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:29.920
so that I mean the stuff that
I mean. But he wrote really dark

461
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.640
stuff. I mean, you know, the Matilda and the Witches, I

462
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.160
mean those were and Tales from I
think it was Tales, the Unexpected Hitchcock

463
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.279
stuff that, you know, it's
all he wrote some really dark set up.

464
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.000
He liked, like children's stuff that, but it was had a dark

465
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.200
edge to it. Yes. Yeah, he wrote James and the Giant Peach.

466
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:49.960
He wrote Fantastic Mister Fox. He
wrote the BFG. I mean those

467
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:53.920
are all vall been you know,
adapted, and yeah, I guess,

468
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:57.599
I mean it probably has something to
do because I was looking him up and

469
00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.440
if i'd saw the kid that was
four months old and hit by a taxi

470
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:07.039
and it developed like this brain fluid
condition. And then he had a daughter

471
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:12.759
that died of measles. Yeah.
Yeah. And then he was married to

472
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:16.160
Patricia Neil for thirty years and she
had like I'm not laughing, it's not

473
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:21.920
funny, but she had like three
cerebral aneurisms which she was pregnant. I

474
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.160
mean she was talking about I remember
when she used to do those Annison commercials

475
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.960
for for Aspirant back in the in
the in the seventies. But it was

476
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:37.119
like girl needed it because she bo
through she she uh yeah. And if

477
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.880
you don't know Patricia Neil was she
was in the day there should stood still

478
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.839
a face in the crowd Breakfast a
Tiffany's hud, which she won the Best

479
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:49.720
Actress Oscar for. Yeah. And
she played Olivia Walton in the in the

480
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:53.119
first Walton's movie, Yeah, Homecoming, and didn't didn't reprise it for the

481
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:58.400
series, but was in like the
movie the pre movie Yeah yeah yeah.

482
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.920
Um. She also I read she
won a Tony at the first ever Tony

483
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:06.759
Awards. Oh yeah, and was
the last surviving winner from that first class

484
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:14.039
of winners at the first Evertony Awards. Not anymore, there's some tribute for

485
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:20.880
you. Not alive anymore though,
um years. It's interesting getting back to

486
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:28.039
Wanka dall Uh was supposed to be
the screenwriter and is the only credited screenwriter

487
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.160
on Willie Walk in a Chocolate Factory. Um, but I guess he never

488
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.960
really finished the screenplay. Mainly just
kind of wrote an outline and kept referencing

489
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:40.920
pages of the book and he quit. Are he quit? Are you think

490
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.480
because he just hated it? Yeah? Well, and then what happened was

491
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:50.200
they brought in a replacement screenwriter and
Dall didn't like the changes that he and

492
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.240
Mel Stewart made to the story,
and so he disowned the film. Dall

493
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:58.960
disowned it, and that was it. Yeah, But they wouldn't give the

494
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.359
other guy, Steve David Seltzer.
They wouldn't give him a credit screen credit,

495
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:06.880
right because they had to look like
it was all Roll Doll. They

496
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:09.239
wanted Doll's name for the marketing to
be the screenwriter, even though he really

497
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:15.679
ended up not writing it. So
whatever, Yeah, exactly I was reading

498
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.800
I got there was a list they
say that, um now where I got

499
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:22.480
this from? But it says that
there are eight main rules he applied on

500
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:27.760
all of his children's books. Did
you see this list? I don't think

501
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.800
so. No. Number one,
just add chocolate. Number two. Adults

502
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:36.000
can be scary, which is that
Matilda movie that's one with Danny DeVito,

503
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:39.960
isn't it They played really awful like
parents? Or I don't remember. Three

504
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:45.719
bad things happen. This is all
in kids books for Revenge is sweet.

505
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:50.119
Five, keep a wicked sense of
humor. Six pick perfect pictures. Not

506
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.760
quite sure what that means. Seven
films are fun, but books are better.

507
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:59.719
And number eight food is fun,
but bad things happened, adults can

508
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:01.360
be ay, I mean, and
revenge is sweet. There's you know,

509
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:08.639
those are kids books that don't usually
get written. So but good for him,

510
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:12.079
I mean, you know, for
all as him as a human being.

511
00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:15.119
You know, I've heard rumors about
him not being such a nice guy.

512
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.039
I don't know, because when I
was doing the actual research, I

513
00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:22.320
couldn't find many examples of him not
being a very nice guy. Um.

514
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.000
Yeah, he I think he had
some kind of racist leanings at least of

515
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:30.519
course, you know, he certainly
would not be acceptable now. Um the

516
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.840
the oopa loopas were you know,
black pygmy characters in his book apparently,

517
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.679
and and Melsterer was like, we're
not doing that. Yeah, in our

518
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.920
movie, We're going to make them
orangs with green hair, you know,

519
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:45.559
from the land of Oupaopa or from
Lupa land. Um. But yeah,

520
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:47.880
I don't know. Yeah, they
do say there was a lot of uh

521
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.480
they say, a lot of anti
Semitic uh references in his publications, and

522
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:58.920
his family did come out and apologize
after he was dead for his you know

523
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:00.840
action. So he was a genius
as a writer, and you know,

524
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:07.599
like a lot of people nowadays,
they in retrospect, you realize that a

525
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.360
lot of the things they wrote weren't
very nice. Um and hopefully it doesn't

526
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.079
overshadow the good things. You know, those they should be addressed. I

527
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.559
don't think they should be removed because
they're indicative of a time period. But

528
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.199
as long as they're acknowledged, you
know, it's like it's like watching on

529
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.920
Netflix. Now there's cigarettes in this
movie, you know what I mean.

530
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:30.960
It's like the commentary is not indicative
of how I feel or how the company

531
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.239
feels. You know, these are
I mean, I think a simple disclaimer.

532
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:40.239
I'm not going to say that that
that relinquishes any responsibility. But how

533
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.840
can you say I don't like that
and I like this. It's like removing

534
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.920
removing little bits of things that you
don't like because they make you uncomfortable.

535
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.320
I guess that's yeah, that's that's
what it's all about. So but his

536
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.800
family has acknowledged that and apologized for
that, and yeah, and you can

537
00:36:55.840 --> 00:36:59.719
adapt, like as they have pretty
much all his films. You can adapt

538
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:01.719
it and cut out the parts that
are yes, that have not aged well

539
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:06.360
or not acceptable anymore, and the
story is still good. Yeah yeah,

540
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:09.760
Um. So he passed away on
November twenty third, nineteen ninety. He

541
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:17.880
was only seventy four. He had
my my alot man my lotus plastic syndrome.

542
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:22.280
It's probably horribly mispronounced. It's a
rare cancer of the blood, basically

543
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:28.079
cancer. He had cancer, Mike, Yeah, he was seventy four cancer.

544
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.719
Don't ask me for details. Um
and uh, he said, just

545
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.440
had chocolate, and they did.
When they buried him. He was buried

546
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:39.920
with chocolates, among other really how
interesting. And I think in the book

547
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:44.639
he imagined that the the Wonka's chocolate
would be kind of like the Cadbury chocolate.

548
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.760
It's very creamy, milky. You
know. It's funny because they take

549
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:52.360
that ship very seriously over there in
Britain. They do because because cadbury is

550
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:58.079
made by like Hershey, here in
America, the Cadbury's actually a Cadbury.

551
00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.679
There's you know, it's a factory
that makes it a certain in Europe and

552
00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:06.159
uh and uh, but but the
cabir Here's is substandards to the Cabury over

553
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:09.320
there, which is interesting. They
think that's up very seriously. Really,

554
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.519
Cadbury eggs are like my top three
favorite candies. Yeah, and I think

555
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:19.519
I flew through the airport in London
years ago and I remember it wasn't Easter

556
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:22.599
time and they had Cadbury eggs for
sale. Yeah, and I was like,

557
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.920
wait, wait wait you sell these
year round here, the little tiny

558
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:29.119
ones. Yeah yeah, yeah,
well there's whatever. Yeah. It was

559
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.079
like, oh man, we can
only get those in the easter. Yeah,

560
00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:36.239
you gotta like somebody. Also,
they m like, we do chocolate

561
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.320
bunnies over here. They do easter
eggs like Violet, Like I'm sorry,

562
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:43.440
like Arucas, you know, the
big eggs that are chocolate hollow with stuff

563
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.280
inside it. That's their thing,
like ours are the chocolate bunnies. But

564
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:50.960
that's what they do over there.
It's just um oh, it's a different

565
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:55.880
world, a different world. Well
rest in peace, rolled doll. Yeah,

566
00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:59.440
and I and I did do a
quick quick look at I know we

567
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:01.599
shaid work to talk about him,
but I did want to mention that David

568
00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:06.199
Seltzer. I don't know if you
kept any of that information, but you

569
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:09.360
know, Seltzer was the guy when
Rabald Dahl was kind of on the outs,

570
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:14.480
they got David Seltzer and to do
the writing and he wouldn't get credit,

571
00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.679
but I guess they're going to produce
a movie for him as a favor

572
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:22.960
or something like that. He ended
up doing the Omen and punchline. But

573
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:28.199
he's the guy that decided that Slugworth
was going to be a proper villain in

574
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.920
the movie because he wasn't a character
in the book that was a very villainous

575
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:34.679
character. Yeah, they said there
were no villains really in the story and

576
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:37.239
they needed one. Yeah, you
know, so as I understand that Seltzer

577
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:42.239
was the one. He did it. And then filming, I guess supposedly

578
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.679
rapped or at least for him,
and he told the story about him going

579
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:51.119
to some remote island or something where
there was like one telephone in the whole

580
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:54.960
village, and it was like yeah, And they finally chased him down because

581
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.800
they needed a line for the end
of the movie, which it sounds like

582
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:01.679
it's been dramatic side the tiny bit, but yeah, but we need a

583
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.559
line, we need a line.
And he said that Happily ever after,

584
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:07.800
and like genius, genius, what
happened to the boy who got everything he

585
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.880
wanted. He lived definitely rid.
Oh my god, it's yeah, I

586
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:14.960
don't know if that's I mean again, people take you know, it's like

587
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:16.679
the kids were talking about it.
That took me thirty six takes well,

588
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:21.880
you know, no, I'm sure
it didn't. You know, probably two

589
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:28.199
and you remember thirty six. But
if people get prone to exaggeration. But

590
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:34.280
David Seltzer is still He's still alive. He um wrote the Omen and Burnt

591
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:42.519
on a Wire and um the nine
to the classic nineteen eighty eight comedy Punchline,

592
00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:45.960
the stand up comedy one Yeah,
Yeah, Yeah, and Shining Through

593
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.199
with Melan Griffith and Michael Douglas.
I'm just reading his Wikipedia page at this

594
00:40:49.239 --> 00:40:51.519
point. But because he's not dead, so we weren't going to talk about

595
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.400
him. But yeah, well yeah, so he did. He contributed quite

596
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:59.480
a bit to the to the movie, and I think he said during a

597
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:02.400
documentary that he'd never really done something
like this writing wise, he had not

598
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:06.679
taken on a project like this before, and he was kind of panicked because

599
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.119
he's like, I've made all these
promises I can do this, and I

600
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:13.320
have no idea what I'm doing I
think he did a good job. I

601
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.360
think it's a great script. Yeah, I wonder. Yeah, it'd be

602
00:41:15.400 --> 00:41:22.760
curious to know how much exactly what
was his contribution and what they kept from

603
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:24.880
Roobul Dalds. You know. So
we weren't really going to go into the

604
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:28.840
producers, but I did want to
mention two things about them because there is

605
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:34.159
an interesting story with them. Stan
Margolis and David Wolper were the producers,

606
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.960
and Wolper was kind of like the
head of it was his company. It

607
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:40.760
was like Wolper Productions, I think
or something, and Stan was his like

608
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:47.360
his VP, and they produced the
Roots mini series. They Wolper was also

609
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:52.360
responsible for helping to bring the Olympics
to Los Angeles and eighty four and he

610
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.960
produced the opening and closing ceremonies for
the eighty four Olympics in LA which I

611
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.119
thought was cool. He has a
star on the Walk of Fame. But

612
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.880
here's why I mentioned the Sierras at
the top of the podcast. So he

613
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:08.480
um they were producing a documentary series
called primal Man about you know, early

614
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:14.639
Man, and they were they had
a big crew working up in the Sierras,

615
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.440
filming up in the mountains. It
was supposed to be like the Mountains

616
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:20.760
of Tibet or something like that.
I care they were. There was something

617
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.679
with a tiger, and they brought
a tiger up there for this thing.

618
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:29.000
And long story short, the whole
crew gets on a chartered flight out of

619
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:30.880
Bishop to fly down to Burbank because
they're done filming and they got to be

620
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.679
filming somewhere else, you know.
A couple of days later down in La

621
00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:38.599
and their plane takes off from the
airport and Bishop and crashes into a ridge

622
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:44.920
on in the Sierras and kills.
Everybody was Wolper on it. Nope,

623
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:46.760
Wolper and stand, I think we're
back in La because they were the exact

624
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:51.480
kid. So they were a story. And all thirty one members of their

625
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.639
crew that were on the airplane died. Wow. And then and that was

626
00:42:54.679 --> 00:43:00.320
in seventy four. It's referred to
as the primal Man crash. So this

627
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.519
is Mike pausing the conversation for a
moment because after we recorded this episode,

628
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:10.400
we learned something kind of interesting about
one of the victims of this primal Man

629
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:15.119
plane crash that was part of this
documentary crew, and it was a makeup

630
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:22.679
artist named Rolfe Miller and Rolfe was
also a makeup artist on one hundred and

631
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:30.519
fourteen episodes of Bewitched, which was
the subject of our last episode, and

632
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.119
he also received an Emmy nomination for
working on that series. So this is

633
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.719
just one of several odd Bewitched connections
to Willy Wonka that you know, we

634
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:43.480
didn't really realize until we've set out
to do this. So back to the

635
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:47.159
show, and it is one of
only three crashes. I don't know if

636
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.679
this is true, but I read
one of only three crashes that the NTSB

637
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:57.880
is investigated that are still considered unsolved. They don't know why it crashed into

638
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.920
the mountain. How long after the
takeoff? Do you think it could have

639
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:04.599
been very low? Right, They
were still ascending, they were still climbing,

640
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.840
and they just didn't They didn't climb
at at the correct rate for some

641
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:10.639
reason. But they were in the
pilots were in contact with the tower and

642
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:14.719
there was no reports of, oh, something's going wrong. They just flew

643
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.079
into a mountain. It was nighttime, so that you know, I'm sure

644
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:21.239
contributed, but they I mean assumed. I guess pilot error, but you

645
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:22.960
don't. You don't know what the
reason for the pilot error, was like,

646
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:27.239
why didn't they just what happened?
Yeah, I wonder if they,

647
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.480
I mean, if it's unsolved,
they still have all that happen somewhere,

648
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.159
I'm sure. I wondered if they, you know, since it's taken so

649
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:36.480
long, maybe they just kind of
you know, brushed it aside. But

650
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:40.920
it's probably all still intact somewhere.
Maybe I would imagine, so imagine,

651
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.440
you know, forensically, now that
they know I know, DNA wise it

652
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:46.599
won't make any difference. But I
wonder if they, you know, with

653
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:50.480
all the terrorism it's happened and everything, they could look at it with a

654
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:54.199
fresh set of eyes. I think
that sometimes it's just a matter of the

655
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:59.000
only people that know were the two
pilots, and yeah, and that's that

656
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:01.559
secret was lost with them, you
know. Yeah. But what wasn't lost

657
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:08.400
was they were able to recover the
film footage from the wreckage filmed and they

658
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:14.360
used it and they they they the
series was broadcast and some of that last

659
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:16.840
footage that they shot up in the
Sierras was used. Um I think correctly

660
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:19.760
they said, you know, this
is what the crew would want. It

661
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.239
was the last thing they ever worked
on. A bunch of artists. You

662
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:23.920
know that you would want you know, it's tragedy. At least the last

663
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:28.440
thing they did made it to air, right, Um did the tiger?

664
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.679
The tiger must have been on it. Then the tiger. I think the

665
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.960
tiger maybe caught another flight. I
don't know. Tiger probably flew back to

666
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:49.440
Vegas. Um, so the question, you know, Tony the Tiger.

667
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:53.199
Tony the Tiger lived. Uh Stan
Margolis passed away on February twenty seven,

668
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:57.599
two thousand and one, from lung
cancer. He was eighty and Wolper died

669
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.320
on August tenth, twenty ten,
eighty eight, two years old, from

670
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:07.679
congestive heart disease and Parkinson's. So
yeah, man, I loved my air

671
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:13.039
disasters. I hate flying, So
yeah, I love reading about him.

672
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.440
And I also wanted to mention Harper
Goff, who was the art director who

673
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:21.519
built designed that amazing set. Yes, because he was such a character.

674
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:29.840
He was the set designer for Casa
Blanca. He he back before Disneyland was

675
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:34.599
a thing. He met Walt Disney
at a model train shop in London.

676
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:40.480
They were both model train geeks,
and Walt Disney recognized Goff's some illustrations he

677
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.440
had done for Esquire magazine and was
kind of like, hey, you know,

678
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:46.880
next time you're in La or whatever, look look me up. And

679
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:52.920
he did. And Goff did the
first artist renderings of Disneyland, and he's

680
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:58.480
he was dubbed the second Imagineer was
his name, so and he also helped

681
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:02.599
designed the Jungle Book Cruise and Haunted
Mansion rides there. He also did designs

682
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:07.559
for twenty thousand Leagues Under the Sea
um and was kind he's credited as kind

683
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.119
of the father of steampunk design.
So that's the guy that designed that amazing

684
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.760
chocolate room set at the heart of
Willy Wonka with the river of chocolate and

685
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:20.840
all that. Yeah, that was
incredible. And they had, as I

686
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:25.039
understand they well, they waited much
like when they when they did the Goonies

687
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:29.079
and they didn't tell any of the
kids they were going to go onto the

688
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:32.920
sound stage and see that spectacular set
of that ship ship. And they did

689
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.960
the same thing with these kids.
They just kept it apparently, uh you

690
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:39.679
know that's what they say. They
kept it quiet. And when they opened

691
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.960
up the door, that's their genuine
reaction. And say, when when they

692
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.599
saw the imp Olympus for the first
time. Apparently they were not notified what

693
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:54.679
that was. I would have been
like, what the fuck? It would

694
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:58.000
have ruined the whole take, I
know, right, but it would have

695
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.119
been you know, but there was
They weren't saying that as a as a

696
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.920
an exclamation at that point, but
I'd be like, they'd be cutting me

697
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:08.880
off like a wow, and I'll
be going, yeah, you can't say

698
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:13.119
f you can't say the F word, and yet are I think our both

699
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.920
our favorite quote from the movie is
when when Rucas Sault says, I want

700
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:24.280
it now, what's the matter with
those plots down there? Well, honestly,

701
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:28.840
she does say twerp. She does
say twerp. Does it does sound

702
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:32.159
like, yeah, it sounds like
plots exact? No, I'm not,

703
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:37.079
I'm not. I'm not at all
arguing with you because I didn't even know

704
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:39.400
twerp was a word over there.
I knew it was a word here,

705
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.480
but I asked. I asked my
friend Ann, and I got you know,

706
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:45.000
I lived there for I don't know
X amount of years, and I'm

707
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.280
like, I've never heard that expression
in my life. She goes, oh,

708
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:49.960
yeah, my dad used to call
me that. When I was a

709
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.320
kid. It was a you know, sort of a sort of you're an

710
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.320
idiot, but in a loving,
lighthearted way. Not you know, don't

711
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:59.280
be stupid, don't be daft,
don't be a twerp. And so yeah,

712
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:00.719
that is what she's saying. But
it sure sounds like twat to me.

713
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:04.199
It doesn't. I thought, maybe
it's a British thing. Maybe they

714
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.760
wasn't a bad word back then.
Really, they won't even say that on

715
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:12.199
TV. You know, they'll say
the F word on TV in England,

716
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:16.440
but not but not the not the
dreaded tw word. But it was no.

717
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:20.159
I took that same video like you
sent it to me. I honestly

718
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.800
got to think that very same video
instead to a friend of mine, I

719
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:29.519
go, is she really saying this? Come on? Oh my god?

720
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:35.639
Um so her Harper Goff, the
art director. He passed away on March

721
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.400
third, nineteen ninety three. He
was eighty one from heart failure. He

722
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:43.519
was posthumously named a Disney Legend,
which is a big honor. You know,

723
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:46.920
the Disney world. Um, and
there is a window in adventure Land,

724
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.719
you know how they some of their
writings on the windows in Disneyland,

725
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:53.679
like you know, the main street
and stuff are dedicated to certain people.

726
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:58.199
It's like kind of mode. There
is a window in adventure Land that reads

727
00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:04.480
Oriental tattooing by Professor Harper Goff,
and the lower pain reads banjo lessons.

728
00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.880
He was a banjo player and how
they're traveling kind of jazz band. He

729
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:12.519
played banjo in Okay, So look
around for that and see if you can

730
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.159
find that. That is Professor Harper
Gooff. Harper Goff is the guy that

731
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:22.360
helped design Disneyland and designed Wonka Cool
Cool. Yeah, the the Nautilus from

732
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:27.760
twenty thousand leagues. I mean that
is an incredible That submarine is a fascinating,

733
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:31.360
incredible design. So yeah, he
did some pretty pretty amazing things and

734
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:37.199
they say that what well, so
Gene Wilder said that a third of that

735
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:39.239
set was edible, but you know, I mean, that's just that's a

736
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:43.719
bit silly, but i'd be but
all that stuff that was going on,

737
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.639
I mean, the ship and and
the uh and the waterfall, the chocolate

738
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:51.679
waterfall that was actually just colored water, I guess, but they you know,

739
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:55.639
they just put um and all the
edible sort of everything. You know,

740
00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:00.719
it looked so good and even the
kids were saying when they're watching it,

741
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:04.440
they're saying, this looks fantastic,
and it doesn't even come close to

742
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:09.760
the way it looked. You know, it was so absolutely stunning how how

743
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:14.559
everything looked, and uh, yeah, I know he has a has an

744
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:17.559
incredible job in that, down to
the ship and everything. It was wow.

745
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.280
Yeah, it's to cut that.
For that to come out of somebody's

746
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:24.400
brain, you know, that is
like wild goods. Make it work.

747
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.400
Yeah. Michael bold Bohner, who
played Augustus who had to go get in

748
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:35.639
the water, said it was cold
and stink. Yeah, I believe it.

749
00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.159
I wonder what they what they died
it with? Um, I mean

750
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:43.000
what they died. They ended up
having to pour some type of solution into

751
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:45.840
it was a bleach or something and
to get the smell to go away because

752
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:47.920
it was just like I guess it
got can overpowering. Maybe they has like

753
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:52.760
real milk or something. Maybe I
don't know, but he he yeah,

754
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:54.480
when he had and he said he
had to fall in like six different times.

755
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.199
But he did say that that that
bit about him getting stuck in that

756
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:01.039
tube was kind of interesting. How
they you know, they they you know,

757
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.320
he's the one that blew up into
the uh, you know, the

758
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.840
pressure blew up, and all the
Gilder's like, what did you say?

759
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.159
Something like, oh, the pressure, you know, the tensions building up.

760
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:13.639
I hope it lasts or something.
Yeah, yea, he says the

761
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:17.000
tension is intolerable or something like that, I hope it lasts. There's so

762
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:20.679
many great little likes night, you
know, like side out of the side

763
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:22.960
of the mouth lines that he says. They're so great, which which is

764
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:27.960
a huge part of the appeal of
this movie because growing up so as kids,

765
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:31.239
you don't know those things right and
uh, and you know, you

766
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.840
just find it really fun and mysterious
because Willy Wonka is this wacky character.

767
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:39.480
But as adults you're watching it and
you know, could you say that a

768
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:43.719
little louder next time? A try
will deafen this year? And all the

769
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.559
parent yeah, and all they and
all the parent actors get little lines like

770
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:50.800
that too that you might not notice
if you know you're not paying close attention.

771
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:55.800
Um, yeah, it's funny.
Um. So both songwriters that wrote

772
00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:00.679
the music for it, I'm got
Oscar Nams out of this one, and

773
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:07.320
Leslie Bricus also wrote you Only Lived
Twice, and they can You Read My

774
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:13.480
Mind love theme from the Superman movie, and Anthony Newley was his his writing

775
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:15.079
partner on it, and he wrote
the music stopped the World I Want to

776
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:19.800
Get Off, And he wrote the
hit Feeling Good, which was, you

777
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.039
know, the one covered by Nina
Simone so famously and it's been covering must

778
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:28.559
time since then. Um. And
what's interesting is Newley was friends with Sammy

779
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:34.079
Davis Junior, and both Davis and
Newly himself wanted the role of the candy

780
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:38.159
Man in the Candy Shop in the
beginning of the movie. And then Sammy

781
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:42.920
Davis Junior, of course ends up
recording his own cover of the Candy Man's

782
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:46.519
song Yeah, and that ends up
being Sammy Davis Junior's only number one Billboard

783
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:51.920
hit ever in his whole career.
That's yeah, that's what I heard.

784
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:54.119
That he really wanted to be in
the movie, and they just know,

785
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:58.559
we just gotta we had to suspend
reality in your Biggest Star. I think

786
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:02.360
Peter Sellers wanted it to and uh, and we just can't. We can't

787
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:07.039
do that. So it's very interesting. And then I was also reading that

788
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:12.360
leslie Bercouse. I think it was
just I wrote with gold Goldfinger with Anthony

789
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.039
Newley the lyrics to Goldfinger and like
you said, the Only Only Lived Twice

790
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:19.320
both Bond themes, which goes back
to Ian Fleming, which goes back to

791
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.400
Raoul Dahl, which is crazy right. Yeah. So he also wrote Guide

792
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:27.239
to the Married Man, which he
wrote with the with John Williams, the

793
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:31.159
famous composer for the movie The Beach
Boys sang it and the Victor Victorian music.

794
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:36.960
Um did that too, and he
wanted to ask her for best original

795
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.199
song Talked to the Animals. I
think it's what it was from Doctor Doolittle.

796
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:45.840
Oh really yeah, um. And
Burkas's wife was a Vaughan every Romaine

797
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:50.320
who starred with Elvis in Double Trouble. Okay, interesting it was an Elvis

798
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.639
connection as well. Yeah, these
guys are swinging in sixties people. Yeah,

799
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:55.280
there they were. Yeah, I
know, I know Newly was for

800
00:54:55.360 --> 00:55:00.840
sure. Yeah. Um so Um. Leslie Burkas on October nineteenth, twenty

801
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:05.159
twenty one, I just recently passed
away. He was ninety and was old

802
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:08.800
age and newly passed away back in
ninety nine. On April fourteenth, nineteen

803
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:13.400
ninety nine, he was only sixty
seven. He had renal cancer. He

804
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:17.559
was. Now, this is interesting
and you'll like this actually, because we

805
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:22.360
know we always got to go back
to this point. Anthony Newley was married

806
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:29.480
to Joan Collins. Anthony Newley,
Uh was attended a Roman Plansky in Charon

807
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.239
Tate's wedding. I knew you were
going Manson, I knew, I knew

808
00:55:32.960 --> 00:55:37.400
they did. Anthony Newley and uh
and Joan Collins. We're friends with Sharon

809
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:40.199
in Roman and went to their wedding
in London at the at the well,

810
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:45.559
the reception was at the at the
Playboy Club. But but yeah, they

811
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:50.000
were there, and uh, Anthony
Newley was also here's a here's a piece

812
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:57.719
of bizarre trivia for you. He
was probably the second most famous person immortalized

813
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:02.559
by Cynthia plaster Caster. Oh really
we who we talked about just on our

814
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:07.360
Patreon only episode. Yeah, from
a couple of weeks ago. Plaster Caster,

815
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:13.440
the famous groupie who would take plaster
casts of so called famous rock musicians.

816
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.599
Although the most famous one she did
with Jimi Hendrix. Yeah, their

817
00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:19.800
penises she would play. She would
cast their penises, not their whole bodies,

818
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:23.000
right and and and yeah, Anthony
Newley was. There was Hendricks,

819
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:27.159
and there was Anthony Newley and the
rest of them were just kind of like

820
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.199
you know, other bands, but
those were the those are the two big

821
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:34.719
ones. But Anthony Newley was was
a complicated guy. He was also when

822
00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:40.840
Doctor Doolittle with Rex Harrison and h
there's a lot of sexual exploits which I

823
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:45.719
don't really get either because I remember
him from the talk show circuit when he

824
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.840
talked. I know his voice was
different early on when he did that song

825
00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:52.239
from Uh Stop the World, What
kind of wool am I? I was

826
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.719
listening to that today and it wasn't
so bad, but I remember him,

827
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:59.400
like in the seventies of late seventies
doing that. The way he spoke,

828
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:02.119
the way he sang was like that
real. I mean, it was so

829
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:06.920
exaggerated of a vibrato. It was
it was, it was. It was

830
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:10.079
distracting. Um it was not pleasant, but he was, you know,

831
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:15.599
an amazing talent. Apparently in England
he was huge and and and Anthony Newley

832
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:20.840
died on April fourteenth, nineteen ninety
nine, in Florida of renal cancer.

833
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:25.079
Yeah, he was only sixty seven. Livehart die young, right, right,

834
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:30.360
that's swinging sixty seventies music scene,
all right, let's do the cast

835
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:35.840
and you you start with uh with
uh one of the greats, Gene Wilder

836
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:39.719
as Willy Wonka. Yeah, yeah, he was, he was, and

837
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.599
I did I didn't, you know, doing the research, and I didn't

838
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:46.679
know he was in Bonnie and Clyde. You know, I had no idea

839
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:50.519
he was in Bonnie and Clyde.
I haven't seen that movie in many years.

840
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:53.280
But yeah, neither that Ye Dunaway
and Warren Beatty. You know,

841
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:59.400
it's a shock to me, so
uh but yeah, um uh. Fred

842
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:04.239
Astaire wanted the Walker role, was
one of many actors that wanted it,

843
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.119
but they judged he was I think
he was in his seventies by this point.

844
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:09.880
It was just a little too too
old for the character. And Peter

845
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:15.880
Seller supposedly begged Roll Doll for the
part, and I didn't get it.

846
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:19.159
Um. They held casting, you
know, they held auditions, and they

847
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:22.639
said that when Wilder walked in,
like two or three sentences in, they

848
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:27.119
were like, he's the guy,
and they basically they they they before he

849
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.719
left, they offered him the role. It was like done. The likes

850
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:34.880
he's Wonka. There's it's something about
him and I don't and I probably said

851
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:37.480
this before. I have like two
stories and I repeat them over and over

852
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:39.840
again. But in London, I
met him and he was doing a show

853
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:44.159
in London. I went to see
and I went backstage and met him,

854
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:46.320
and I you know, I only
I knew him. Of course I knew

855
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:51.320
who he was. This had have
been in the late nineties and uh,

856
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:53.559
and I remember, you know,
that's like I was seen Wilder. Didn't

857
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:57.880
really care because because they didn't really
think much of him. I liked him,

858
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.079
don't get me wrong. But anyway, when I met him, it

859
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:01.960
was like bam. His eyes.
I mean it was incredible. It just

860
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:06.320
it was and it sounds so weird
to say this, but they were like

861
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:09.320
magical eyes. Like you looked and
you just I'll say this and it sounds

862
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:15.440
wanky, but you could just see
you see he was good. By looking

863
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:17.360
in his eyes, there was some
kind of weird twinkle. They were so

864
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.760
so very blue. But honestly,
guy, it was like a feeling.

865
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:23.920
I got this guy's a good guy. And uh, it's just it's just

866
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:28.679
weird. But he but he but
that's I'm sure that's what they saw in

867
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:30.760
him. You know. It was
just the magic in his eyes and he

868
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:35.400
did have incredible eyes. And the
kids on the movie all loved him,

869
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:37.280
the kid actors, they all said
that, which they you know, looking

870
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.480
back, they were like, you
know, someone was always wanting to be

871
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:43.039
next to him or sit on his
lap or whatever, and he never got

872
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:45.400
tired of it, you know,
he was never like, please give me

873
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:49.039
something, give me some time to
myself for a second. Um. So,

874
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:54.880
yeah, I haven't heard a negative
thing about him except Terry Garr from

875
00:59:54.920 --> 01:00:00.000
Young Frankenstein. There's did you know
she did that interview and because he was

876
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:01.559
a jerk? You know, No, she may have just been having it

877
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:06.400
a weird day and just got sick
of being asked the stupid questions. But

878
01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:07.719
she does that whole interview and she
goes, yeah, he was just a

879
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:12.639
jerk because she she dated him for
a while when they were making Young Frankenstein.

880
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:15.360
So but that's you know, that's
that's that's exist. I mean,

881
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:19.079
you could find that, but I
find Yeah, to me, it seemed

882
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:22.639
like she was just tired and tired
of answering questions. He's a jerk,

883
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:27.480
Stop asking me about him. Yeah. So he was a last minute replacement

884
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:31.599
for the lead and Blazing Saddles and
we talked about this. There is a

885
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:38.000
Bewitched connection because he replaced Gig Young, Gig Young who would have been married

886
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:44.880
to Elizabeth Montgomery of Bewitched. Gig
Young who later on UM murdered his next

887
01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:47.679
you know, a later wife and
then killed himself. Um. He was

888
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:52.599
a gig Young was an alcoholic and
he on the very first day of filming

889
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:59.039
Blazing Saddles, he collapsed on set
from alcohol withdrawals and was immediately fired.

890
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:01.960
And they old Gene Wilder and we're
like, can you please get on a

891
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:06.400
plane and fly out here and make
this movie? And he agreed. Interesting,

892
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.360
that's why it happened. Yeah,
so there's a Bewitched connection. So

893
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:14.519
go go back and listen to or
Bewitched episode. Yeah. He was also

894
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.239
in the producers Young Frankenstein, which
he wrote. Um. He was with

895
01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:22.920
Richard Pryor in four films. UM. And of course he was married to

896
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:27.039
Gilda Radner, who was his third
wife until she died from cancer in nineteen

897
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:30.760
eighty nine. Um. And there's
a really great documentary about her and of

898
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:35.079
course their marriage called Love Gilda,
that came out a few years ago.

899
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:38.800
That was, Yeah, that was
that was That's Gilda was one of those

900
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:43.280
people that you just just tears your
heart out, you know, people when

901
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:45.159
Lorraine Newman said that, I think
we talked about this, and we did

902
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:49.840
a Saturday Night Live episode talked about
Gilda. But you know, sometimes you

903
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.360
can see some kind of weird Carmen
involved, and sometimes you know, you

904
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:55.039
just kind of go, what the
hell is that. It's like Terry gar

905
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:59.239
It's like a Punicello. It's you
know, these are people that you just

906
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.960
look at and smile and think that
there's nothing and then terrible things happened to

907
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:07.760
them. It's just it's awful.
But um he and Guilty even said,

908
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:12.760
but I did like this, and
I again probably repeating myself, but when

909
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:15.400
she wrote her book, it's always
something about her struggle with cancer and that

910
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:20.599
had you been you know, she
was an insecure, really insecure individual,

911
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:23.480
and he stuck with her through the
whole thing, and when she came out

912
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:27.039
of it, you know, I
thought she was in the clear, or

913
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:30.320
she was for a short period of
time. Um. She said, after

914
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:31.639
reading my book, women from all
of the world, all over the world

915
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:35.960
will fall in love with Gene.
Unfortunately, they're all going to have terminal

916
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:45.039
diseases, which is sweet, but
but he was, you know, he

917
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:49.440
was one of those people that he
was when he did the whole gene,

918
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.400
when he did the Willy Wonka thing, I guess he said that he would

919
01:02:52.519 --> 01:02:55.519
this a stipulation, This is how
I want to make my entrance. And

920
01:02:55.639 --> 01:02:59.480
with the thing with the cane,
he was acting as if he had like

921
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:02.320
a limp leg He was walking with
a limp and he had the cane.

922
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:07.039
And then the cane gets stuck in
the bricks and he tumbles forward like he's

923
01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:08.920
going to fall in does a summersault, and everyone goes hooray, and Willy

924
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:13.800
Wonka, you know, opens up
his candy shop. But then that's another

925
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:15.840
point where all the kids, this
is their first scene that they shot.

926
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:20.280
You know, little the kids were
there and this is the very first scene

927
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:22.719
these people were shooting for the movie, and they didn't know who June Wilder

928
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:27.320
was. And this guy comes out
of this this weird door and hobbles out

929
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.760
and then does this whole thing that
they were just as shocked as everyone else

930
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:32.880
was to see it happened. They
did a lot of almost what I would

931
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:37.280
call forced method acting the kids because
they did that, they didn't know that

932
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:39.480
he was going to do that stunt
so they'd get a real look out of

933
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:43.239
him. They didn't show him the
big sound stage until they walked in and

934
01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:45.320
saw it. And then at the
end when he yells, he gets mad

935
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:47.800
and he yells, you know,
good day, sir, and you lose

936
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:52.679
good day. Um. They they
didn't know how hard he was going to

937
01:03:52.760 --> 01:03:55.000
go on that take, and that
kind of shocked expression, especially on Charlie

938
01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:59.880
is Yeah, he didn't know he's
gonna star shouting it's horrible. Yeah,

939
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:02.719
it's terrible, No, it's it
is. And then though it also was

940
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:06.519
really disturbing, is that like his
you know, his his hair would go

941
01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:09.840
manic. You know, his hair
will go crazy, and you know,

942
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:12.440
I think period, you know through
the film it gets worse and worse,

943
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.679
you know, and then you know
it's just at the end, it's like

944
01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:16.920
it's all over the place is flying
and uh, and that just makes it

945
01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:21.199
even more intense when you when you
see that scene, you know, you

946
01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:26.440
don't want that sparkly eyed person coming
around and screaming at you with his maniacal

947
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:30.800
hair. And but I think that
was the whole thing. He started the

948
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:34.920
whole shoot with the with you know, throwing people off guard by doing that,

949
01:04:35.599 --> 01:04:41.119
uh that tumble and they, you
know say they some people say that

950
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.840
that was a stipulation. If I
can't do it this way, then I'm

951
01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:45.320
not going to do it. Um. I don't know if that's true,

952
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.320
but it's a good story. Yeah, he supposedly said he wouldn't take the

953
01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:54.159
rule unless they let him do that
stunt there. Yeah, okay, now

954
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:57.199
I know if it's true or not, but it works because to the rest

955
01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:59.320
of the movie, you don't know
what's up as sleep, you don't know

956
01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:01.840
if he's telling the truth. He
talks some weird languages, he tells bizarre

957
01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:05.400
stories and um, you know,
talks about kids, you know, being

958
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:08.920
you know, oh, she's down
in the incinerator. Now you know,

959
01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:13.159
it was like, oh, okay, you know, take him to the

960
01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:15.000
taffy room so we can stretch him
out. I mean, it's like awful,

961
01:05:15.159 --> 01:05:18.559
terrible things. But they're like very
elastic at that age or whatever he

962
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:25.519
says. But but yeah, he
was something. But that whole psychotic monologue

963
01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:30.239
in the in the ship in the
tunnel, and yeah, that was terrifying.

964
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:32.480
And uh and you know with the
chick, I mean It's really quite

965
01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:36.039
graphic. The chicken getting its head
chopped off in the worms and everything.

966
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:41.000
That was really um, I mean
that was a real proper chicken getting its

967
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:43.880
head chopped off. It wasn't a
special effect that was stock footage or something.

968
01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:48.679
Uh and uh yeah, there's the
worms and insects eating other insects and

969
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:51.400
stuff, and then the whole you
know, he said, I was just

970
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:55.840
a couple of like the fires of
how and the Grizzly Reaper, and you

971
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:59.000
know he's talking to these little kids. I thought it was going to be

972
01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:02.320
a show about candy. And I
think Violet says something, I guess,

973
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:08.960
is this a freak out or something
like that. I love it's a freak

974
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:13.599
out or something. Yeah, funny
but um but yeah, Jane, So

975
01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:16.639
Gene Wilder, Um, as you
know, after after living through that whole

976
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:21.039
thing with Gilda Radner, which is
well documented, then got married again and

977
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:26.159
lived a happy life. But his
wife kind of stayed out of the out

978
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:30.000
of the limelight because he was always
going to be sort of mister Gilda after

979
01:06:30.079 --> 01:06:32.440
that. You know, he was
lived in the same house. Yeah,

980
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:38.760
did they I didn't know that.
He couldn't not. She was always going

981
01:06:38.800 --> 01:06:43.239
to be looked on as a villainists
you know, or a villain by by

982
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:46.519
being the new woman in Gene Wilder's
life. That was that was never going

983
01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:50.159
to work out well because she was
so because Guilder was so loved. Yeah,

984
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:54.800
yeah, so. Um. He
also was you know Wonka for the

985
01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:57.000
rest of his life, you know, all the all the roles he did.

986
01:06:57.440 --> 01:06:59.920
And he did tell a story that
he was like in a grocery store

987
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.719
one time and this mother walked up
and was like, you're Willy Wonka.

988
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:05.719
Can I Can I tell my kid
you're Willy Wonkas your kids with her?

989
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:10.119
And he said something like yeah,
but but uh, only if you whisper

990
01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.599
it, if you say it quietly
so that don't get mobbed, you can

991
01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:16.760
come over. And so he was
very he kept honoring that. Um,

992
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.159
you know the legacy they added for
playing that character. And he died from

993
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:26.119
Alzheimer's and um, he apparently kept
it quiet in parts so that he wouldn't

994
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:29.400
he said, so he wouldn't make
Willy Wonka fans sad to know that he

995
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:33.079
was suffering with you know, this
illness. Hmm. Isn't it interesting?

996
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:40.039
All those movies he did and you
know Wonka is always going to be probably

997
01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:44.679
the biggest. It's iconic, Young
Frankenstein to be a second. M Lazing

998
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:49.800
Saddles probably third. Yeah, huh
wow, rest in peace. So he

999
01:07:49.840 --> 01:07:53.920
died. They say he died while
he was listening to Eli Fitzgerald singing over

1000
01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:58.800
the Rainbow. They'd play it for
him, which was and and ironically,

1001
01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:02.480
Um Ebert when he reviewed Wanka the
movie when it came out and said it

1002
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:09.960
was the best kids movie since wizd
of Oz. Hmm, it's interesting.

1003
01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:12.679
I mean I remember seeing it when
it first came out, and I remember

1004
01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:16.239
being really blown away by the look
of it, but I never really I

1005
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.319
guess it was so much of it
was uncomfortable in me, and that was

1006
01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:25.199
his maniacal sort of you know,
rants and things like that. I didn't

1007
01:08:25.279 --> 01:08:28.439
understand a lot of that. I
still find it. It's got more of

1008
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:30.520
an edge than the Wizard of Oz
most certainly well which of Oz had its

1009
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:34.960
edge two considering this nineteen thirty nine. But but yeah, it just seemed

1010
01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:41.159
a bit more sinister because the good
guy was also this bad guy, Whereas

1011
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:43.720
you know, the lines were pretty
clear in the Wizard of Oz. Who

1012
01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:46.960
was what? And and Willy Wonka. Was that weird when the teetered back

1013
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:51.800
and forth? M what was that
famous that famous description of wizd of Oz

1014
01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:56.000
it's so good. Hold on It
was from a newspaper, I think,

1015
01:08:56.520 --> 01:09:00.279
or like a TV guide. It
was transported to a surreal lance cape.

1016
01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:03.399
Young girl kills the first person she
meets and then teams up with three strangers

1017
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:12.760
to kill again. It's perfect,
It's awesome. Oh so, Geane Wilder

1018
01:09:12.760 --> 01:09:15.319
passed away on August twenty ninth,
twenty sixteen. He was eighty three,

1019
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:20.479
and it was Alzheimer's So rest in
peace, Gene Wilder, r ip so.

1020
01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:25.239
The next actor on the list is
was the second build in the film,

1021
01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:28.199
which is kind of interesting, and
that is um Jack Albertson, who

1022
01:09:28.239 --> 01:09:38.279
played Grandpa Joe yep, like uh
huh, who would have only been around

1023
01:09:38.399 --> 01:09:45.119
sixty sixty two, sixty three maybe
what the time he died. He died

1024
01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:48.640
ten years later and he was only
seventy four. So he was only five

1025
01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:54.279
years older than me when he made
Willy Wonka. Yeah, only five years

1026
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:59.399
older than me, maybe maybe like
three or four. So just so we're

1027
01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:03.319
to to catch people up here,
you are you are older than Bogart and

1028
01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:08.840
you're a few years away from your
Grandpa Joe phase. Five years younger than

1029
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:12.840
Grandpa Joe. In a few years
you can start just living out of your

1030
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:19.159
bed like full time. You know
what. The amount of vitriol on the

1031
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:25.880
line about Grandpa Joe is fascinating for
me. Piece. But there are websites

1032
01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:31.560
devoted to how much people hate him
about Facebook groups. There's a let's say

1033
01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:35.159
I dislike that piece of shit that
is Grandpa Joe from Willy Wonka. That's

1034
01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:42.840
him of a Facebook groups. The
group. Yes, there's a website called

1035
01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:48.079
say No to Grandpa Joe dot com
because they're like, because they're like,

1036
01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:50.399
because he wouldn't. They're like,
he wouldn't get out of bed to support

1037
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:53.720
his family, but he got out
of bed to go to a chocolate factory.

1038
01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:56.880
He wouldn't get out of bed,
and he complained to the mother because

1039
01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:00.319
maybe the floor was too cold.
Okay. The keep of the family are

1040
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:05.520
eating cabbage water, and he's just
deciding to give up tobacco just then,

1041
01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:10.439
you know, And then the kid
buys a loaf of bread and he's like,

1042
01:11:10.439 --> 01:11:12.600
Oh, we're gonna have a real
banquet tonight, you know, And

1043
01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:16.520
bosly, but he's been smoking tobacco, so so yeah, there's, there's

1044
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:20.880
there's. People get really angry about
him, and it's kind of funny.

1045
01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:26.159
Now, I was here's what I
read on say No to Grandpa Joe dot

1046
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:30.560
com. In the early stages of
the story, it's clearly established that Grandpa

1047
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:32.800
Joe does not contributed to the household
in the meaningful way. He does not

1048
01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:35.359
work, and in fact, is
not left to bed in twenty years.

1049
01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:40.239
He offers criticism of the situation,
but it's unwilling to work to help improve

1050
01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:43.720
it. He initially claims that he's
unable to help and offers a litany of

1051
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:46.920
excuses why he cannot get out of
bed. Things change rapidly when Charlie finds

1052
01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:50.560
the Golden Ticket. He's suddenly able
to get out of bed and engaging quite

1053
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:56.560
a stunning display of physical prowess,
you know, and he's like, I

1054
01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.439
got a golden ticket, I got
it, I got it. It is

1055
01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:02.039
interesting knowing all this and going back
and watching it. And another thing,

1056
01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:09.840
Missus Buckett did laundry for a living. Charlie's Charlie's mom. Yeah, yes,

1057
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:13.359
did you see that night shirt he
was wearing? It was all brown

1058
01:12:13.520 --> 01:12:15.960
stained in the front of it.
I mean, it wasn't ye all brown,

1059
01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:19.600
but it was like the brown like
probably tobacco juice stains, you know,

1060
01:12:19.880 --> 01:12:24.239
I mean, or cabbage water stains. But still, she did laundry

1061
01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:28.840
for a living, and he's in
it with this dirty, nasty, nasty.

1062
01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:32.680
It's funny. Say no to Grandpa
Joe, say no to I do

1063
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:35.840
think though that, you know,
because I watched it again for you know,

1064
01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:41.680
prepping for this episode, and he
Charlie is definitely a little bit better

1065
01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:45.479
version of a person than Grandpa Joe
is, because you remember at the end

1066
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:49.399
when they get told off and in
the office and Charlie's like, you know,

1067
01:12:49.720 --> 01:12:51.840
or Grandpa Joe's like, come on, Charlie, let's go, you

1068
01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:55.239
know, sell that gop stopper.
Basic, let's go you know someone who

1069
01:12:55.279 --> 01:12:58.319
can buy that gop stopper. And
Charlie's like, no, I'm gonna give

1070
01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:02.119
the gob stopper back to Waka,
And that's what wins him the grand prize.

1071
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:05.479
Yeah. So yeah, And so
for the for the quick, just

1072
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:10.880
a quick explanation, ever lasting gob
Stopper is a piece of candy that Wonka

1073
01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:15.199
is just inventing and Throughout the movie, these five children win these golden tickets

1074
01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:18.119
to get a tour, these five
golden tickets to get a tour of the

1075
01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:23.079
chocolate factory. And every time that
you know, kid wins one this this

1076
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:26.000
villain shows up and whispers in the
ear. We find out later that he

1077
01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:31.640
says he's slug worth a competing chocolate
company and will pay them for one of

1078
01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:35.439
those gob stoppers to get the whole
recipe because Zee will put him out of

1079
01:13:35.439 --> 01:13:39.359
business. And so that's the whole
thing. And then, you know,

1080
01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:43.159
so at the end of it,
Charlie has the gob stopper and they're gonna

1081
01:13:43.199 --> 01:13:45.199
leave, and Willie Wonka just told
him off, saying, get the hell

1082
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:47.359
out of here, and Grandpa Joe
says he'll get his gob stopper, We'll

1083
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:50.279
sell it to him, and Charlie
says no, and thus he wins,

1084
01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:55.079
and going forth with that, Willie
Wonka saying, you know, because I

1085
01:13:55.159 --> 01:13:57.880
know if a grown up did it, they'd want to do it their way.

1086
01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:00.880
And that's why I need a kid
to do it my way, so

1087
01:14:00.039 --> 01:14:04.439
I to run the chocolate factory after
I'm gone. So um, it's interesting,

1088
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:08.239
very interesting. Yeah, and it
also ties into The reason that Wonka

1089
01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:12.640
shut the factory down and become a
recluse in the first place is because people

1090
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:17.720
kept his employees kept acting as spies
and stealing his creations. Yeah, giving

1091
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:20.720
them to the competition. So that
makes sense. That's his big test,

1092
01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:25.239
as I need someone who's not going
to do that, right, And so

1093
01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:29.239
we hired the spice. Slug Worth, however, called the spice slug Worth.

1094
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:33.520
But all through the movie there is
Slugworth candy, So Slugworth was a

1095
01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:39.239
real person. Was Willi Wonker really
making Slugworth candy, you know and putting

1096
01:14:39.279 --> 01:14:43.279
it out there as probably was the
guy who just posing as slog slug Worth.

1097
01:14:43.319 --> 01:14:45.000
It wasn't the real slug Worth.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know

1098
01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:48.039
it. Maybe so, but it
would be probably in the book I've ever

1099
01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:51.119
read it, you know what I
mean? I read that when I was

1100
01:14:51.159 --> 01:14:55.560
a kid. I don't remember.
I don't remember. But did you did

1101
01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:59.640
you see that video I posted of
Jack Albertson licking the wallpaper? Yes,

1102
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:05.800
so creepy, something don't ever need
to see again. Scary tunnel scene,

1103
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:13.720
Yeah, that was that was something
else. Immage you're not going to get

1104
01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:15.399
out of your out of your mind
for a long time. No, and

1105
01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:18.039
there was a girl. One of
the people who commented her name was Sarah

1106
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:23.039
Love. She said that she had
seen Jack Albertson in a show called I'm

1107
01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:25.560
Not Rappaport just before he died and
needed a Q and A. And someone

1108
01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:28.319
asked him about licking the wallpaper,
and he said, what the hell do

1109
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:34.960
you think it tasted like? It
wasn't lemons tasted like wallpaper? Um.

1110
01:15:35.000 --> 01:15:40.640
He started out in vaudeville and in
radio. He got three fourths of the

1111
01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:43.920
way to an egot because he won
an Emmy and Oscar in a Tony.

1112
01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:47.159
The only thing he didn't win was
the Grammy. Um. He was also

1113
01:15:47.199 --> 01:15:51.039
in a Poseidon Adventure which we did
an episode on UM and he won an

1114
01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:56.079
Emmy. His Emmy he won for
Chico in the Man television series UM.

1115
01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:59.359
And his last film role was he
was a voice actor in The Fox and

1116
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:00.840
the Hound, for which was one
of my favorite movies when I was growing

1117
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:08.119
up. Oh really yeah? Nice
um. And there's also another Bewitched connection.

1118
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:13.359
Hm. His sister was Mabel Albertson, who played Phillis Stevens on Bewitch

1119
01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:17.800
too, was Darren's mother. I've
got a sick headache, Frank and she

1120
01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:24.239
died just ten months after her brother
did Jack did. Uh and from Alzheimer's

1121
01:16:24.279 --> 01:16:26.840
interesting that you know, they're making
Cheeko on the Man, which is a

1122
01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:30.199
huge show with Freddie Prince or Jack
Albertson and Freddie. Jack Albertson outlived Freddie

1123
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:34.800
Prince because Freddie Prince killed himself and
uh, and the show went on.

1124
01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:38.760
I forget what they called it,
but it was they took out the cheeko

1125
01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:42.039
bit. It was just the Man
and yeah, and just started, you

1126
01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:44.680
know, kept the show going.
I don't think it lasted, but because

1127
01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:48.279
he needed that, you know that
uh, that chemistry that was gone after

1128
01:16:48.319 --> 01:16:50.880
Freddie was but uh, but yeah, they did try to make a go

1129
01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:56.960
of it after that. Um yeah, that piece of shit Grandpa show.

1130
01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:00.800
Love that guy. That's so funny, but people hate him. I mean

1131
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:04.720
I would be really angry because you
know, he's just in bed that whole

1132
01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:10.880
time and doesn't let his mom be
the one to go to Did she did

1133
01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:12.960
she not want to go? What
was going on with it? Didn't ask?

1134
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:15.359
Nobody asked. I guess. I
mean they were close, you know,

1135
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:19.560
because Grandpa Joe did you know sneak
him the candy bar and uh so

1136
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:24.840
they were they were close. But
uh yeah, that makes makes more sense.

1137
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:29.640
Well if it makes the grandpa Joe
Hayters happy. Jack Albertson died on

1138
01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:32.479
November twenty fifth, nineteen eighty one. He was seventy four and it was

1139
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:38.600
colon cancer. Hm. I think
they were both scattered to see both you

1140
01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:45.439
and his sister. Yeah out in
the Pacificum, Roy Keaneer, we'll do

1141
01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:48.760
some of the parents. Who was
mister salt rucas Sault's father. Um,

1142
01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:55.000
He was a successful character actor and
his dad was a professional rugby player who

1143
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:59.359
was also named Roy Keaneer, and
his dad died when he was only thirty

1144
01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:01.439
eight while playing rugby with the RAF
in nineteen forty two, you know,

1145
01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:05.039
during World War two. And if
you're a rugby fan listening to this,

1146
01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:11.560
the Scotland Rugby League named their Student
Player of the Year award after Roy Kaneer's

1147
01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:15.720
dad, who was also Roy King
Here. Nice didn't know that very interesting?

1148
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:18.279
Did you know? That Roy appeared
in a bunch of stuff. He

1149
01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:21.039
was one of those character actors who
was in tons and tons of things.

1150
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:26.399
He was in the Beatles, Help, he was in the Hammer horror movie

1151
01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:30.600
Taste of the Blood of Dracula Taste
the Blood of Dracula with Christopher Lee and

1152
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:40.720
his wife was Carmel Crying Crying Cryan. She was Brenda Boyle in east Enders,

1153
01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:44.079
Brenda Boyle. M have to look
that one up. I don't know

1154
01:18:44.159 --> 01:18:45.560
that name. I know you're an
east Enders fan, so I figure,

1155
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:49.560
yeah, yeah, and his daughter, because the girl played Arukas Sault was

1156
01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:53.199
also claimed she was in east Enders, so I'm like, I had to

1157
01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:55.680
look her up and she was like, nah, well she probably was in

1158
01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:58.720
a couple episodes, but but no, that Brenda. I feel like that

1159
01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:02.000
one up. I don't know that
Kara there. This is something that's kind

1160
01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:06.319
of interesting that I didn't know until
I moved over there. But a veruca

1161
01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:11.359
is actually a wart. It's a
planner's wart that you get the bottom midle

1162
01:19:11.359 --> 01:19:14.680
of that foot. Yeah, And
so I would see these ads on commercials,

1163
01:19:14.680 --> 01:19:16.199
commercials for like, you know,
if you have a Varuca, do

1164
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:21.199
this, and which makes sense.
Old would call this character Varuca because she's

1165
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:26.119
an awful little girl. So Varuca
is actually a wart on the bottom of

1166
01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:29.479
your foot. And uh, it's
just and I thought it was kind of

1167
01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:32.279
clever, and I knew Rucas Sault
also as the rock band from the nineties.

1168
01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:35.520
Oh was there one called that?
Oh? How cool? Okay,

1169
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:40.520
Yeah, they had um they had
the song um seeither was their big like

1170
01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:45.119
their big big hit. He uh
roy can hear? Rucas Sault's father died

1171
01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:50.479
a really weird tragic way. He
was filming The Return of the Musketeers in

1172
01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:56.239
Spain in nineteen eighty eight, and
he fell off a horse and broke his

1173
01:19:56.319 --> 01:19:59.880
pelvis and sustained internal bleeding and he
died the next day from a heart of

1174
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:03.520
heck really, you know, as
a result of those injuries. Oh interesting,

1175
01:20:03.520 --> 01:20:06.199
Well that's sad. I mean,
that's yes. He was only fifty

1176
01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:10.960
four. It was September twentieth,
nineteen eighty eight, and his family ended

1177
01:20:11.039 --> 01:20:14.760
up suing both the production and the
hospital, and between the two of them

1178
01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:17.640
got about one and a half million
dollars. Good them, I mean,

1179
01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:24.279
I guess they're they were really at
so the hospital um screwed up as well

1180
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:27.319
as the ps. What they felt
like, Yeah, the production they said,

1181
01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:30.119
I guess was you know, unsafe
with the way the horses and the

1182
01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:31.520
way they were kind of overworking him. Or something. I can't remember what

1183
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:36.239
the charge was, but yeah,
yeah, died from a horsefall while filming.

1184
01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:40.560
While filming, I think that's a
bummer. Yeah he's only fifty four.

1185
01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:45.880
Gosh, yeah, you know,
I'm I'm six years older. He

1186
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:49.399
didn't Royking here ever got when he
died. Yeah, that's because you don't

1187
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:55.239
ride horses. Yeah yeah, did
you watch? Did you watch? I

1188
01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:58.439
know you probably didn't any of the
Jewbilee that you know, The Queen's Jubilee

1189
01:20:58.840 --> 01:21:01.920
just started happening this week. It's
going to be like an entire month or

1190
01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:08.319
so of celebrations. And they had
the horse show on Sunday, and it's

1191
01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:11.239
just, you know, I'm a
big I don't pay for him. So,

1192
01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:14.560
you know, I feel differently than
today. The royal family or you

1193
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:16.279
know, I love them. I
think they're lovely and I get caught up

1194
01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:18.880
in their you know, day to
day and they're you know, I read

1195
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:23.319
the gossip and all that sort of
stuff family, and I love her.

1196
01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:28.159
I think she is you know,
she she is the only one in the

1197
01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:31.399
family who hasn't embarrassed the family.
And I'm very fond of her. And

1198
01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:35.760
to see her show up at these
things, I saw today also she unveiled

1199
01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:40.800
the new subway line, uh,
the Elizabeth Line, and so it's but

1200
01:21:40.840 --> 01:21:45.039
it's neat to see her because you
know, we're like, you know,

1201
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:48.239
it ain't gonna be very long,
and so it's neat to see her there

1202
01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:53.239
for this jubilee, which is you
know, just the the Golden Jubilee.

1203
01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:57.239
I was there for that and that
was just an incredible time and people like

1204
01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:00.720
the British you know, you can
get caught up in a lot of bullshit,

1205
01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:02.920
you know, but but in day
to day politics, et cetera,

1206
01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:08.199
taxes, etc. But it's so
it's so wonderful to see you know,

1207
01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:13.960
that kind of people camaraderie for something
like that and something everyone gathering up for

1208
01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:16.840
this happy you know for a lot
of people, happy occasion. Seventy years

1209
01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:20.439
on the throne is incredible. So
anyway, it was it was neat to

1210
01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:23.680
see that. And I don't know
what what got me started on that.

1211
01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:26.920
The horse show, That's what it
was, the horse show. But yeah,

1212
01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:30.000
it's so there's gonna be this whole
concert. Tom Cruise was at this

1213
01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:34.119
thing the other day, but yeah, he's like become friends with them.

1214
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:39.239
It's bizarre because you know, everything
else. Everyone else is British, British,

1215
01:22:39.239 --> 01:22:41.880
well not at all Brits, but
they're all part of the Commonwealth.

1216
01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:45.840
And then Tom Cruise, you know, it's like all right, well but

1217
01:22:45.119 --> 01:22:48.600
um you know, I guess they
want the name the name, but uh,

1218
01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:53.520
I don't know, but it is
it is that. Did you ever

1219
01:22:53.520 --> 01:22:56.920
see that they're in the Golden jew
Believe when they did the big concert and

1220
01:22:57.079 --> 01:23:00.399
Grace Jones did the whole thing with
a hula hoop? No, she's got

1221
01:23:00.520 --> 01:23:06.239
this like ten minutes set and during
the whole thing's it's it is awesome.

1222
01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:13.159
That's awesome. But anyway, so
yeah, but I okay, went off

1223
01:23:13.159 --> 01:23:15.640
on a tangent. But I also
looked up Brenda on east Enders, and

1224
01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:19.359
I tell you, I don't it
just happened. I watched it during this

1225
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:24.319
time too, and I don't remember
this character at all, so like as

1226
01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:26.800
her having to do with all these
people, I know, but I don't

1227
01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:32.680
remember her, so um so yeah, sorry, oh wait, she got

1228
01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:36.359
married to Charlie Slater. I didn't
know that I should know this, Okay,

1229
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:42.039
anyway, now you do, oh
my gosh. Yeah, uh all

1230
01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:45.720
right, all right, I'm gonna
put putting that part away. Putting the

1231
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:46.920
part of my light boy. All
right, we're moving on to someone else's

1232
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:51.079
dad. Leonard Stone, who played
mister Beauregard, who was Violet's father.

1233
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:57.880
Um another character actor with too many
roles to list. Pretty much name a

1234
01:23:57.920 --> 01:24:00.279
TV show from the sixties to the
eight he appeared on it, probably,

1235
01:24:00.319 --> 01:24:03.239
Yeah. He was also a night
Court my favorite. Yeah, I was

1236
01:24:03.239 --> 01:24:06.720
gonna say, I knew you'd picked
that one up. And he was even

1237
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.600
on Wheel of Fortune in two thousand, which is wild. He was a

1238
01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:15.119
Soiling Green, which is a fantastic
movie, a night to remember, and

1239
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:18.880
it was not the first Titanic movie, but it was one of you know,

1240
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:24.880
one of three that are very famous
and for nineteen fifty six and uh.

1241
01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:29.000
And also one of my favorite things
he did was he he was Farnum

1242
01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:33.279
in Lost in Space. He played
he had he owned the Intergalactic Zoo and

1243
01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:38.399
he would show up with these wild
animals or creatures from other planets and stuff

1244
01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:42.319
like that. But but he was
yeah, he was just he was a

1245
01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:48.039
staple in television, showed up on
every everything. And Shaky's Gun in the

1246
01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:50.880
West, it was another movie he
did which I loved. But night Coort,

1247
01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:54.199
Yeah, that was. I knew
you'd find that one. I need

1248
01:24:54.199 --> 01:24:56.520
to look him up and see what
episode it was. Well, I did

1249
01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:59.760
find out I did see it actually, okay. And he plays He plays

1250
01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:04.079
a chacter called Nikolai Karpov. And
this is Yakov's brother. Yakov, I

1251
01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:10.560
guess is a is a character on
Night Court. Yakov, his brother,

1252
01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:13.920
wants to defect to the United States. In short order, Harry's courtroom was

1253
01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:17.840
overrun by Russian circus troop agents of
the KGB and CIA and a pair of

1254
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:24.800
hot tempered arms negotiators. So,
um, that's what that's what they say.

1255
01:25:25.119 --> 01:25:29.800
Wow, that's cool. I'll to
look up that episode because I'm sure

1256
01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:34.880
I saw it. Um he uh. Leonard Stone was the last surviving parent

1257
01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:41.720
who toured the factory. He was
the last one. He lived the longest

1258
01:25:41.720 --> 01:25:45.840
of all the parents who comes up
with these facts. He died because he

1259
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:50.119
did not outlive Charlie's mother, the
actress that played his mother, but she

1260
01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:54.279
didn't tour the factory. So of
the adults have toured the factory. He

1261
01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:58.319
was the last survivor, okay,
he was. He was the last survivor

1262
01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:02.840
with the initials LS that were the
moon base that also right. Yeah.

1263
01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:06.239
He was also um this is like
he gets into like baseball stats. He

1264
01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:13.079
was also the third longest living left
handed outfielder now. Um. He passed

1265
01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:16.119
away on November second, twenty eleven. He was eighty seven. He had

1266
01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:19.720
cancer just one day before his eighty
eighth birthday. He almost made it.

1267
01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:27.279
But he's another one life. It
was always at the always at the autograph

1268
01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:29.239
show. So he's a nice guy. I talked to him a few times.

1269
01:26:29.279 --> 01:26:30.960
I mean, I know, no, no, I mean, nothing

1270
01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:32.760
to speak of, but he was
always there, and he was always really

1271
01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:36.680
nice. And and god, I
loved those autograph shows. They were I

1272
01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:40.960
will you know, I always talk
about those, but you know, god,

1273
01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.880
they were great. They were so
great. Well. And Denise Nickerson,

1274
01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:48.000
who played his daughter Violet, was
also I think a staple at the

1275
01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:54.239
autograph conventions and stuff as well.
Um. And she started out as a

1276
01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:57.880
stage actor when she was only five
years old, which is crazy, and

1277
01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:00.600
she continued acting for another eight years. Was after Wonka. Um. She

1278
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:04.359
was also in the kids show The
Electric Company and the Sixties and she was

1279
01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:10.239
in the soap opera's Dark Shadows and
Search for Tomorrow, which were soaps in

1280
01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:13.439
the sixties. And seventies. Um. And she was also in an episode

1281
01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:16.720
on the final season of The Brady
Bunch when Peter Brady goes on two dates

1282
01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:20.279
and one night. She was one
of the dates apparently. UM and also

1283
01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:25.840
I read she lost out to Linda
Blair for the Exer System. Doesn't everybody

1284
01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:28.920
claim they lost out to Linda Blair
for the ex is that like a thing?

1285
01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:31.520
It's up there, it's up there, it's up there with Scarlett O'Hara,

1286
01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:35.479
and uh and uh, there's yeah, there are, there are several

1287
01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:40.800
people that claim that. But uh, why would you know? I didn't

1288
01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:44.439
get that part. I wouldn't be
breaking about that. There's another thing I

1289
01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:48.600
didn't do. But but no,
it's but electric part. It just makes

1290
01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:56.920
my head spin. Oh, you're
so angry. Um. So she retired

1291
01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:59.479
from acting when she was only twenty
one, and then she found out her

1292
01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:01.680
parents had spent all her money.
So it was one of those other one

1293
01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:05.079
of those situations. Yeah, so
much so. She ended up becoming an

1294
01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:10.399
office manager in an accountant for a
doctor. Um. Did the fan conventions,

1295
01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:13.760
did the public cast reunions that they
did? There were there were several

1296
01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:16.840
over the years. Um. And
then she had a stroke in twenty eighteen,

1297
01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:21.079
and a year later she overdosed on
some type of medication. I don't

1298
01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:25.800
know if it was intentional or unintentional, and she died at the hospital.

1299
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:29.000
A couple of days after that.
She had a do not resuscitate, yeah

1300
01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:31.960
order, So there's only sixty two
technically die from pneumonia. And it was

1301
01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:35.840
July tenth, twenty nineteen, so
just a few years ago. She um,

1302
01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:39.920
you know it was it's so back
when, you know, I was

1303
01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:43.159
doing my research on the Rocky Horror
Picture Show book and that got to be

1304
01:28:43.239 --> 01:28:45.560
friends with with Pat Quinn, who
played Magenta in the movie. And you

1305
01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:49.800
know, they they they would the
only money they ever got was for the

1306
01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:54.319
original play soundtrack. They got like
more money than that than they ever got

1307
01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:58.000
for residuals for the movie. But
you know, they had to live with

1308
01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:00.479
this legacy the whole time, which
wasn't a bad I think to do.

1309
01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:02.880
But even Barry Bostwick was like,
come on, it's been forty years.

1310
01:29:03.039 --> 01:29:05.560
Share the wealth. You got your
baby ds, you got your jackets,

1311
01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:10.000
you got your buttons, you've got
your all this other stuff, you know,

1312
01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:12.960
Share the wealth. So it was
kind of neat that these people did

1313
01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:17.479
live long enough to be able to
capitalize on their Wonka stardom more than because

1314
01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:19.680
the kids. I guess they made
six hundred pounds for the whole set.

1315
01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:25.439
Julie don Cole played Ruca Salt says, you got sixty pounds a week for

1316
01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:28.800
ten weeks. Six hundred pounds,
yeah, which was aqual of like a

1317
01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:30.880
thousand dollars today, you know,
six hundred pounds is like a thousand bucks.

1318
01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:34.439
And and Paris Thimmen, who played
Mike TV. He could tell in

1319
01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:40.359
the documentary or in the after they
were famous thing, you could tell he

1320
01:29:40.479 --> 01:29:44.760
was bitter about the money situation.
Yeah, but he's he's also he's no

1321
01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:47.760
different than his character. I mean
that that Paris guy is much like my

1322
01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:53.159
TV. But you can tell there
was definitely some they're a little bitter about

1323
01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:58.039
the fact that everybody else kept making
money off this and they they least from

1324
01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:00.840
the film. Now they can go
into the convention. But that's also that's

1325
01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:03.680
more work too. It's not like
Sid I'm a residuals check. He knows

1326
01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:08.840
all the job. But it's true
that you do have to work. But

1327
01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:12.560
I'm just saying the lunevity. That's
just you know, I understand i'd be

1328
01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:15.880
a bit bitter too. However,
it's something we've talked about a lot on

1329
01:30:15.880 --> 01:30:19.880
this on our show too. I
just you're given this opportunity to make you

1330
01:30:19.960 --> 01:30:24.640
know, money, and it's cash
money, and so I don't know,

1331
01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:28.279
it didn't seem like, uh,
it didn't seem like the kids had that

1332
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:31.079
much of a jobbing actors is all
they were after that. You know,

1333
01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:34.279
there were no big movies. They
were never going to get any bigger than

1334
01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:39.640
Willy Wonka, which is kind of
weird to peak at that young of an

1335
01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:43.039
age as an actor. But a
lot of them are still working as actors.

1336
01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:45.439
Well, actually no they're not.
I think Julie Julie Coles that what

1337
01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:48.000
her name is, played Farruca.
She's the only one it's actually working.

1338
01:30:48.039 --> 01:30:51.199
The rest from her, literally all
of her accounts, I think she is

1339
01:30:51.239 --> 01:30:56.159
mostly retired now. But she was
by far the most successful acting career.

1340
01:30:56.199 --> 01:30:59.680
Afterwards. She was in a bunch
of TV and film stuff in the seventies,

1341
01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:01.680
eighties, nineties. Yeah, she
worked a lot. Yeah, it

1342
01:31:01.720 --> 01:31:03.720
was six weeks of their lives.
Well, they say it was a five

1343
01:31:03.800 --> 01:31:08.560
month shoot, so maybe it's five
months for Peter Ostrum had played Charlie,

1344
01:31:08.840 --> 01:31:11.640
but the rest of him it was
like six or eight weeks or something like

1345
01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:15.279
that, or ten weeks and ten
weeks of your life, you know,

1346
01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:19.720
and and international celebrity for the rest
of your life. And yeah yeah.

1347
01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:29.199
Also supposedly Denise Nickerson, Violet and
Um and Um and Julie Cole ruc Assault

1348
01:31:29.199 --> 01:31:32.800
they both both actresses, supposed they
had a crush on Peter Ostrum Charlie while

1349
01:31:32.840 --> 01:31:38.199
making the film, and they would
take turns hanging out with them in they

1350
01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:42.279
had free time. So it was
a little set crush team crush going on

1351
01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:46.119
because they were all like twelve or
thirteen except for Um I think um Um

1352
01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:50.279
paris them and Mike TV was like
eleven. He was yeah, yeah,

1353
01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:55.000
yeah. They even Gane Wilder alludes
to him not being a very nice kid.

1354
01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:58.079
It's like I like him now,
but back to then. Yeah.

1355
01:31:58.119 --> 01:32:00.039
Well also you know there's that there
was the one of the machines had the

1356
01:32:00.079 --> 01:32:04.159
bees. Yeah, and he's he
admitted that he let the bees out,

1357
01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:10.399
like yeah, yeah he was.
He got the pay I think yeah,

1358
01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:14.399
but she now was It was interesting
to finally get an explanation as to um,

1359
01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:16.119
you know when they blew her up, what that was, you know

1360
01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:19.239
what they actually did to her.
And it was one thing that said it

1361
01:32:19.279 --> 01:32:23.680
was a metal thing, but the
other one sounds more legit that it was

1362
01:32:23.760 --> 01:32:28.920
styrofoam, a styrofoam ball and they
carved her shape out of and uh and

1363
01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:31.880
and uh they said she said that. Um again, these things get embellished

1364
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:34.279
over the years. I don't know
how much of it's true, but they

1365
01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:36.399
she said that she was. I
mean, you could look at it and

1366
01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:41.479
see her. The ball of her
body was bigger, taller than the Oompa

1367
01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:44.560
loompa's were. And they didn't know
how to steerers. And she said she

1368
01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:48.640
got bashed into a doorway more than
once from from faulty Oompa loompa steering.

1369
01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:57.279
So but uh, and the the
and the well, the three actors,

1370
01:32:57.640 --> 01:33:00.840
uh, the Oompa Loompas that they
had on that documentary, they also they

1371
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:01.960
think they kind of confirmed, Yeah, that happened, but none of them

1372
01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:04.560
wanted to take credit for it.
Yeah, and the one guy's like,

1373
01:33:04.600 --> 01:33:06.560
hey man, I was holding the
door open. It couldn't have been me.

1374
01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:15.199
So um So anyways, rest in
peace, Denise Nickerson, Nora Denny

1375
01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:21.680
aka Dodo Denny was missus TV Mike's
mom and she was another character actors a

1376
01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:26.479
bunch of stuff. She was in
Green Acres and Petticoat Junction and Bewitched and

1377
01:33:26.640 --> 01:33:30.439
Heart to Heart, Get Smart.
She was also in Splash Um. But

1378
01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:33.720
I thought this was interesting. Her
two sons formed of the seventies punk band

1379
01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:38.760
the Weirdos in Los Angele didn't know
that's interesting. Yeah, they were brothers

1380
01:33:38.800 --> 01:33:41.239
that founded that that punk band,
and they were I mean, they were

1381
01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:44.359
contemporaries of the Ramons. They you
know, the Ramones were big influences on

1382
01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:47.399
them, and and I think they
had a big influence on because I was

1383
01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:51.119
in the pop punk, especially California
stuff in the nineties and they you can

1384
01:33:51.159 --> 01:33:55.720
definitely see the influence the Weirdos had
on that scene. And one of the

1385
01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:59.640
brothers was almost almost joined the Red
Hot Chili Peppers at one point also but

1386
01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:04.439
didn't didn't work out. So that
was interesting. Said, I didn't know

1387
01:34:04.520 --> 01:34:08.399
she had that many kids. She
had two sons. That's very cool because

1388
01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:11.600
I've heard of the Weirdos. I
didn't know that. Yep. I know

1389
01:34:11.640 --> 01:34:15.319
that she um back in because the
Kansas City they were trying to make a

1390
01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:19.399
Elvira character or actually it was vampire
back then, and they and she did

1391
01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:23.479
that back in Kansas City for the
local news. I think Maryland the Witch

1392
01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:26.439
is what they called her. But
she was haggy. She wasn't going to

1393
01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:30.640
be like sexy Maryland. She was
kind of haggy and uh but that's really

1394
01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:32.720
us. She got her start in
show business and she was another one that

1395
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:36.439
was a regular umbwitched, you know. So that's what how many that's Mabel

1396
01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:42.800
Anderson, that's Dodo Denny and Jack
Albert's. Um No, there was a

1397
01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:45.279
gig Young connection. Gig Young that's
what it was, or three self far.

1398
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:49.640
Yeah, and she was supposed to
be at the house on Cello Drive

1399
01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:54.800
in the night of the murders.
She's just said that or she really was.

1400
01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:57.439
I just made that up. God, I was going to lose my

1401
01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:01.760
money. And then she lost out
to Linda Blair and the Exorcist, so

1402
01:35:01.880 --> 01:35:08.399
you know, oh no. She
she passed away on November twenty of two

1403
01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:11.520
thousand and five. She was seventy
eight, and it was just listed his

1404
01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:17.840
cancer r I P like Dodo Denny
Alp. I only have a few things

1405
01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:24.319
on some of the other parents and
folks. Ursela Wright reet right was Missus

1406
01:35:24.319 --> 01:35:28.760
Gloup Augustus mom. She was mostly
a German TV actress. Um she passed

1407
01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:32.119
away in ninety eight. She was
eighty four from natural causes. Ursela Wright

1408
01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:39.319
who was who played Missus Gloup was
a very successful actress in Germany. Continued

1409
01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:44.279
to be a very successful actress in
Germany, and just playing on the German

1410
01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:48.359
thing. I was watching and I
noticed that Willy Wonka speaks in German at

1411
01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:51.880
some point. And this is weird
because there was no there were no subtitles.

1412
01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:55.039
You know, he speaks in French, which I'll talk about in just

1413
01:35:55.079 --> 01:35:59.079
a second, but he talks in
German too, And so I recorded it

1414
01:35:59.079 --> 01:36:03.319
and I sent it my friend Rachel
Kay and she this is before the they

1415
01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:08.880
get on that vehicle that they go
with. It spits out all the foam,

1416
01:36:09.319 --> 01:36:12.840
all the gassy stuff, and what
he says, he she said,

1417
01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:17.159
this is a Willie Wonka says,
Please give me your attention. You're now

1418
01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:21.319
entering into the most interesting and at
the same time most secret room of the

1419
01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:28.039
factory ladies and gentlemen, the inventing
room. So and then then when they

1420
01:36:28.079 --> 01:36:30.119
go through that thing, and they're
spraying all that juncle of him, and

1421
01:36:30.159 --> 01:36:34.079
then they go through the squeezy bits
and uh and and he also and then

1422
01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:38.600
he starts singing this bizarre song which
isn't even a language. I mean,

1423
01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:42.119
it's like it sounds there's like a
couple of German words in there. But

1424
01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:45.800
but otherwise, I mean he just
spits out this bizarre you know, these

1425
01:36:45.880 --> 01:36:50.119
these these bizarre words. You know, it's really it adds to the Wonka

1426
01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:56.239
character most definitely. But yeah,
she was but I love that the most

1427
01:36:56.279 --> 01:37:00.439
secret room of the factory, the
inventing room. But they said, German,

1428
01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:03.159
how are kids going to know that? You know, for this information

1429
01:37:03.239 --> 01:37:06.680
we needed to know? Man,
Well it's it's you know, it's it's

1430
01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:11.079
a bit odd. If it's the
most secretive room, then I need to

1431
01:37:11.119 --> 01:37:15.640
know that information. Yeah, I
guess said they did there for the German

1432
01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:18.720
audience. I guess. Um So, Ursula passed away on November ninth,

1433
01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:23.720
nineteen ninety eight. She was eighty
four, and it was natural causes.

1434
01:37:25.319 --> 01:37:28.439
She was in a ton of German
TV shows I've never seen, but that's

1435
01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:31.479
she had a great, big career. Um and and kind of ironically,

1436
01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:36.319
I guess her. The actor who
played her son Augustus. Uh, he

1437
01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:40.319
was not an actor. He was
cast. He was really cast because he

1438
01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:43.039
had the look that they were going
for. He ended up doing a great

1439
01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:46.000
job considering he didn't speak English and
was not an actor, and he did

1440
01:37:46.039 --> 01:37:49.640
a few more TV roles after Wanka. But then he became a tax accountant.

1441
01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:56.399
Don't they all except for Ruca as
you do? Yeah, well,

1442
01:37:56.399 --> 01:37:59.039
no, Charlie's a vet now,
so no, he's not either. But

1443
01:37:59.319 --> 01:38:04.680
both of Violet and Paris and Augustus
all went into account thing. Interesting.

1444
01:38:05.159 --> 01:38:09.039
Yeah, probably because they didn't get
paid much and they're like, what they'll

1445
01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:14.239
happen to all my money? You
know? Would you like at a fart

1446
01:38:14.239 --> 01:38:16.800
out sick when you're a kid six
weeks of your life and you become this,

1447
01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:19.960
you know, and you wish that
that would have happened. Wouldn't that

1448
01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:23.079
have been pretty cool? I mean, not that you want to. I

1449
01:38:23.159 --> 01:38:26.520
used to be anything, but but
I don't mean it like that. But

1450
01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:29.239
it's like, what a great trivia
question that would be. You know,

1451
01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:33.039
guess what I did? Yeah?
Well, And and the actor who played

1452
01:38:33.119 --> 01:38:35.880
Charlie, Peter Rostrum, he said
that you know, he has kids.

1453
01:38:35.920 --> 01:38:40.000
Now his family was owned now and
you know when when his kids were younger,

1454
01:38:40.760 --> 01:38:44.079
they would see the movie and they
didn't really they didn't put two and

1455
01:38:44.079 --> 01:38:45.760
two together. That's dad. It
was that they had to get quite a

1456
01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:48.800
bit older before he was able to
tell, like explain to them that's me

1457
01:38:48.920 --> 01:38:53.079
when I was your age. Yeah, it's hard to explain that to kids,

1458
01:38:53.079 --> 01:38:55.680
but yeah, I thought that was
interesting. Yeah, he became a

1459
01:38:55.880 --> 01:39:02.039
like a livestock veterinarian, like like
cows and yeah, very understated. Seems

1460
01:39:02.039 --> 01:39:05.239
like a decent guy. Yeah,
yeah, well I guess that was his

1461
01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:09.960
real passion animals, So you know
worked out. Yeah, I mean,

1462
01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:12.199
I guess the thing is, yes, you can be bitter about not having

1463
01:39:12.199 --> 01:39:15.279
the money, they still are happy
that they did it, that they were

1464
01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:17.840
part of it. And if you
were to tell this a kid, like,

1465
01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:20.640
hey, you can be in one
of the biggest movie kids movies is

1466
01:39:20.640 --> 01:39:23.920
ever going to be made, and
you won't make a lot of money,

1467
01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:28.680
but you'll have that for first of
your life or you cannot. The trouble

1468
01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:30.720
would be trying to catch up with
that peeking when you're eleven years old,

1469
01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:34.239
and if you want to make it
in the business, you'll never ever get

1470
01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:38.960
that big again. Even though Willy
Wonka was not a successful movie when it

1471
01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:43.720
came out, but it turned into
never Gonna Happen again. So that is

1472
01:39:43.800 --> 01:39:47.359
lightning in a bottle, and that's
what this movie kind of was. Diana

1473
01:39:47.479 --> 01:39:53.159
Soul and I am pronouncing that right. Salsehoul was Missus Bucket, Charlie's mother.

1474
01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:57.199
Her song in the film was dubbed
though that's not her singing. Yeah,

1475
01:39:57.239 --> 01:40:00.960
I didn't know that till I was
doing this research of a weird resume.

1476
01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:04.159
She was in some bit parts,
but like the two bit part things

1477
01:40:04.159 --> 01:40:08.439
she was in were both in nineteen
ninety four. She had small parts in

1478
01:40:08.439 --> 01:40:14.479
Clear and Present Danger and Guarding tests. It's like twenty years later. Yeah,

1479
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:16.720
that is Oh, I know she
was living in Germany when when she'd

1480
01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:23.560
been living there when she got cast
she wasn't you know she was American and

1481
01:40:23.760 --> 01:40:28.039
uh but yeah, that's uh,
that's interesting. But yeah, now not

1482
01:40:28.079 --> 01:40:31.920
a huge career. But her husband
was m was sergeant first class in the

1483
01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:36.600
army. Oh wow. Yeah,
and she's she's buried in Arlington, which

1484
01:40:36.920 --> 01:40:41.439
surprised me. Yeah. Her song
that Cherub Charlie business, that was like

1485
01:40:41.640 --> 01:40:45.119
that was like the beauty school dropout
thing from Greece. It's like it was

1486
01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:45.880
early on in the film, but
it's like, okay, now we can

1487
01:40:45.920 --> 01:40:51.880
go to the bathroom. It was
like it's a really long song, but

1488
01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:56.399
uh and yeah. But she was
um and she had she had that mop

1489
01:40:56.479 --> 01:40:59.560
of hair like Jane Mansfield used to
have at the end of Terrible Wigs.

1490
01:41:00.279 --> 01:41:03.479
That was it was. And here's
something that that that when when Charlie gets

1491
01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:08.119
the Golden ticket, you know,
and and he's like I got it and

1492
01:41:08.119 --> 01:41:10.640
he's got it up in his seam, did you like scream like, oh

1493
01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:14.520
my god, run take it.
Yeah, he's open the air and people

1494
01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:16.279
are grabbing his arm and stuff like
that. It's like no, no,

1495
01:41:16.279 --> 01:41:20.319
no, no, they're gonna rose
the pieces. I was so upset.

1496
01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:24.079
I was like, no, run
kid, no, get they're gonna take

1497
01:41:24.119 --> 01:41:27.000
it from you. So um because
I mean they showed him like, you

1498
01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:30.239
know, holding people for ransom to
get their wonk up bars and stuff like

1499
01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:34.159
that. So Diana Um passed away
on October nineteenth, twenty eighteen. She

1500
01:41:34.279 --> 01:41:41.039
was eighty eight, and it was
natural causes because she was missus Bucket right

1501
01:41:42.479 --> 01:41:46.479
yep. And Um Scott is still
drinking down his dwindling taps. I know,

1502
01:41:46.760 --> 01:41:50.560
very very few left, all right, Um, Aubrey Woods, who

1503
01:41:50.640 --> 01:41:55.159
was Bill the candy store owner,
the one that Sammy Davis Junior wanted,

1504
01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:58.960
the role that he wanted, who
sings the candy man song? Um,

1505
01:41:59.359 --> 01:42:01.159
And that's kind of all I know
about him. Yeah, he I mean,

1506
01:42:01.199 --> 01:42:05.439
he was another one that was hugely
successful in Britain doing he was in

1507
01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:09.000
a couple I think he was in
a couple of Doctor Who's but he was

1508
01:42:09.039 --> 01:42:15.600
in a ton of television programs in
Britain. But something I found very interesting

1509
01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:21.520
is that there's this conspiracy about about
Willy Wonka, not not in real life,

1510
01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:25.760
but in within the movie, and
they're saying that Bill was actually an

1511
01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:30.760
informant for Willy Wonka and he was
giving he was testing out the kids to

1512
01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:32.119
find out, you know, who
was going to be worthy of it.

1513
01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:38.199
And he was supposedly on Wonka's you
know, payroll, and because he's given

1514
01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:40.720
all that candy away and just seeing
how the kids are going to react.

1515
01:42:40.840 --> 01:42:43.640
Because at the end of it,
when Charlie you know, gets the one

1516
01:42:43.720 --> 01:42:46.880
thing and he eats it and it's
not the one but he just says I'm

1517
01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:51.079
giving another one, and then gout
and Bill goes to the display. He

1518
01:42:51.119 --> 01:42:54.359
says, like, if you're a
classic one, and he gives it like

1519
01:42:54.479 --> 01:42:57.680
right in the center, right stock, not when where you go. We're

1520
01:42:57.680 --> 01:43:00.800
gonna keep that. One day he
just talk him into getting a different type

1521
01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:03.399
of wakah and that particular one that
was front and center. And they're saying

1522
01:43:03.439 --> 01:43:08.039
that, you know, Bill might
have been working for Willy Wonka in that

1523
01:43:08.119 --> 01:43:11.079
regard, and that would explain the
slug Worth signs all over the place too,

1524
01:43:11.159 --> 01:43:15.000
because maybe slug Worth was a phony
name and uh, and they just

1525
01:43:15.039 --> 01:43:17.159
had it in that one candy shop. I don't know, but it was

1526
01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:21.279
just a very I liked that.
I liked that idea that because we got

1527
01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:25.239
so we already know that he had
a he had a mole, uh,

1528
01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:29.399
slug Worth whatever. The actor who
was playing this this bad guy, so

1529
01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:32.000
it would make sense that that he
had and who better. But again,

1530
01:43:32.039 --> 01:43:38.039
that was a candy shop, absolutely, and uh. When they first meet

1531
01:43:38.079 --> 01:43:41.000
Wonka coming in the gates, Wonka
tells Charlie, I've run all about you

1532
01:43:41.039 --> 01:43:45.199
in the newspaper, and then at
the end he says, you know,

1533
01:43:45.239 --> 01:43:46.359
I knew it would be you or
I knew it was I knew it was

1534
01:43:46.399 --> 01:43:49.920
going to be you kind of thing, he says, he when he suddenly

1535
01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:53.520
he was like, yeah, you
passed you you passed the test. He's

1536
01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:55.880
like, I knew you would.
I knew you would. It kind of

1537
01:43:55.880 --> 01:44:00.159
does maybe, um hinted a four
knowledge of the type of person that Charlie

1538
01:44:00.359 --> 01:44:04.520
and the fact that they, uh, there was a news crew on set

1539
01:44:04.640 --> 01:44:10.239
every time one of those things was
discovered, that Slugworth was Agworth was always

1540
01:44:10.239 --> 01:44:13.640
there, always right there. So
they're saying Willy Wonka had planted these things

1541
01:44:14.279 --> 01:44:17.600
and uh and knew exactly where they
were going to be discovered, which makes

1542
01:44:17.600 --> 01:44:21.199
sense, which also leads me to, well, let's finished on Aubrey Woods.

1543
01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:25.199
Um, it's funny in that way
he kind of stacked the deck in

1544
01:44:25.279 --> 01:44:28.119
Charlie's favor because the other four kids
were like the most selfish kids on the

1545
01:44:28.159 --> 01:44:30.760
planet. Yeah, and why wouldn't
you Why would he why would he make

1546
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:33.640
sure that they were going to be
the ones to get them? Um?

1547
01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:39.479
Right, that is uh, it's
kind of interesting, but U but yeah,

1548
01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:42.520
but the news cruise being there,
Well, okay, so let's finish

1549
01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:45.720
on Aubrey Woods because I was going
to hit the others. So he died

1550
01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:49.439
May seventh, twenty thirteen. He
was eighty five years old. But so

1551
01:44:49.800 --> 01:44:54.960
natural causes. I was doing the
dive about the people in this movie,

1552
01:44:55.319 --> 01:44:58.079
and I was really curious about and
you maybe you did this too, but

1553
01:44:58.119 --> 01:45:01.159
I wanted to know more about the
fake winner. You know, the picture

1554
01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:05.000
that was in the newspaper, the
guy that pretended to have won, and

1555
01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:10.720
because he didn't, he didn't.
There was no news crew there, There

1556
01:45:10.720 --> 01:45:13.640
were no photographs, you know,
it was always a solid picture in a

1557
01:45:13.720 --> 01:45:16.800
newspaper saying that this guy won.
It said his name was Alberto Minaltta knew

1558
01:45:16.800 --> 01:45:19.680
that lived in Paraguay and he was
the only one that did. They have

1559
01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:28.479
news cameras there. And that photograph
was actually a photograph of Hitler's Nazi like

1560
01:45:28.560 --> 01:45:32.560
private secretary Nazi Martin Borman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it was

1561
01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:38.680
a real picture of this Nazi criminal
who was supposedly hiding out in Paraguay.

1562
01:45:38.920 --> 01:45:42.680
So they put this this, this
is it's true and uh, and they

1563
01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:46.039
put it in this newspaper. He
was a wanted Nazi war criminal and he

1564
01:45:46.079 --> 01:45:49.439
was supposed to be living in Paraguay, and uh, and he ends up

1565
01:45:49.439 --> 01:45:55.039
in the Willy Wonka movie and nobody
really caught onto it, and so and

1566
01:45:55.279 --> 01:45:59.239
in His body was found buried in
Berlin in nineteen seventy two, but it

1567
01:45:59.279 --> 01:46:03.880
wasn't positive identified until nineteen ninety eight
using DNA. So this picture is in

1568
01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:12.720
the newspaper of Willy Wonka is a
Nazi criminal. Just fascinating and Gunter Meisner,

1569
01:46:12.760 --> 01:46:16.000
who played Arthur Slugworth, was a
German actor who played in almost all

1570
01:46:16.079 --> 01:46:21.439
German productions. He played Adolf Hitler
twice and often played kind of you know,

1571
01:46:21.520 --> 01:46:26.279
Nazi soldier, heavy type bad guys, officers and stuff and a lot

1572
01:46:26.279 --> 01:46:28.319
of it because he had that look. I guess, yeah, he had

1573
01:46:28.319 --> 01:46:31.880
a Nazi bad guy natural look.
So how weird, weird, what a

1574
01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:39.039
weird place to pick guys picture for
I'm guessing that that was a makeup scar,

1575
01:46:39.359 --> 01:46:41.840
That's what I'm guessing. I'm pretty
sure it would be made up,

1576
01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:44.880
but it was well done. But
yeah, I would I just had this

1577
01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:49.239
idea, not an idea, but
it was probably based on the Boris and

1578
01:46:49.319 --> 01:46:55.520
Natasha had that bullwinkle, the enemies
and they had their fearless, fearless leader.

1579
01:46:55.800 --> 01:46:58.359
It was the Natzi in general,
and looked just like him with the

1580
01:46:58.439 --> 01:47:02.399
monocle, this guy that glasses.
But but yeah, just your stereotype stereotypical

1581
01:47:02.479 --> 01:47:11.119
Nazi and uh run but uh but
yeah, yeah that I was going back

1582
01:47:11.159 --> 01:47:15.720
into the whole conspiracy thing because it
is kind of he's actually, you know,

1583
01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:16.840
the guy that works for me and
I forget what they said his name

1584
01:47:17.039 --> 01:47:21.439
was. But interesting, Yeah,
I mean counterpoint. They didn't even know

1585
01:47:21.479 --> 01:47:24.720
what the last line in the movie
was going to be, so how deeply

1586
01:47:24.760 --> 01:47:28.439
did they think about this? True? I don't know. True, maybe

1587
01:47:28.439 --> 01:47:31.520
as Royal Doll that did it,
though maybe you know roled Dolly script his

1588
01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:35.560
original script, he put these nuggets
in there. Uh. But as far

1589
01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:42.000
as there was a contrived decision though
the Nazi picture wasn't an act. Yeah,

1590
01:47:42.039 --> 01:47:45.920
it was down to I think it
was down to um uh Mel Stewart

1591
01:47:46.079 --> 01:47:49.840
that did that, I believe.
But but and it's interesting also maybe it's

1592
01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:55.600
to counteract the Royal Doll you know, Nazi anti anti Semitic rhetoric in some

1593
01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:59.359
of his books. I don't know, was that guy was? Was that

1594
01:47:59.399 --> 01:48:01.439
guy's they still looking for that guy
in nineteen seventy one, Well, he

1595
01:48:01.439 --> 01:48:05.359
wasn't found until seventy two, so
yeah, yeah he was so maybe they

1596
01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:09.600
put his picture in the movie hoping
it get out there and people are like,

1597
01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:13.560
hey, I recognize that's thought.
And a year later he gets arrested

1598
01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:16.880
like yeah, yeah, or found. Yeah, but they found a barrier

1599
01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:20.520
really want so in Berlin. So
it wasn't like somebody ideed him. You

1600
01:48:20.560 --> 01:48:31.039
know, I've seen that guy as
his corpse hasn't aged a day. Um.

1601
01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:35.880
David Batley who played mister Turkentine,
who was the school teacher that was

1602
01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:41.199
opening. Yeah, he has a
great opening monologue too about when he's doing

1603
01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:44.079
He's donna do the quizzes now before
the week, at the beginning of the

1604
01:48:44.119 --> 01:48:45.880
week, before they've learned the stuff
they're gonna be quizzed about. But it's

1605
01:48:45.920 --> 01:48:48.039
Tuesday to day, so don't worry
about it. I don't worry about it.

1606
01:48:48.319 --> 01:48:50.920
Yeah. There's a lot of a
lot of jumping. Yeah. The

1607
01:48:51.039 --> 01:48:58.720
the text was kind of funny in
this movie sometimes. Um. He was

1608
01:48:58.800 --> 01:49:00.640
born with a hole in his heart
art um, but lived to be sixty

1609
01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:04.800
seven, did ultimately die from a
heart attack. Um, and he passed

1610
01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:09.720
away in January twenty In two thousand
and three, hmm, yeah, because

1611
01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:14.439
I remember, well Gina Shock had
that I believe um from the Gotos had

1612
01:49:14.439 --> 01:49:16.560
that hole in her heart business and
had to have surgery on that one too.

1613
01:49:16.600 --> 01:49:20.800
But I guess technology moved on in
this regard when she when she got

1614
01:49:20.840 --> 01:49:28.159
it was it was treatable. But
yeah, but yeah, huh well um,

1615
01:49:28.159 --> 01:49:30.520
and we already mentioned that. You
know that Madeleine um Stewart, the

1616
01:49:31.359 --> 01:49:34.119
director's daughter, was in the classroom
scene, yeah, with him, with

1617
01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:39.000
him as the teacher and answers the
first question that he asked about how many

1618
01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:43.159
how many? Yeah, by and
that's when Peter Peter burst in the room

1619
01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:45.399
saying, well, Lee Wanka has
opened his chocolate factory, and so yeah,

1620
01:49:45.439 --> 01:49:49.119
he got two Peter got two good
lines in the movie, went in

1621
01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:53.640
the candy store and went in the
school, and ended up being the only

1622
01:49:53.680 --> 01:49:56.359
one of the two siblings to get
credited as a result of that. Yeah,

1623
01:49:56.359 --> 01:49:58.319
it's interesting. I wonder, well, I don't even think she filmed

1624
01:49:58.359 --> 01:50:00.000
anything else, the daughter. I
don't think there's anything else. And she

1625
01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:02.840
was always kind of a yeah,
I'd be mad if I was this if

1626
01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:05.520
my life. Yeah, but you
know, sibling rivalries, Yeah, you're

1627
01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:09.640
both in the picture and your brother
gets a credit and you don't. Oh,

1628
01:50:10.079 --> 01:50:12.640
and it was your idea to make
the movie in the first place.

1629
01:50:12.720 --> 01:50:16.479
Come on, Yeah, no kidding, she should have got a producer's credit,

1630
01:50:17.760 --> 01:50:20.960
right, I thought this was funny. Speaking of classrooms, um,

1631
01:50:21.159 --> 01:50:25.319
Julie Cole, who played Rucas Sault, said that she based her character on

1632
01:50:25.439 --> 01:50:29.319
a girl that she knew at boarding
school. So there was a girl who

1633
01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:35.520
really was a ruca assault awful person
that she drew inspiration from. Yeah,

1634
01:50:35.640 --> 01:50:42.039
that's good. I mean she was
really a good brat. She was a

1635
01:50:42.119 --> 01:50:45.039
really good brat. She was you
know what, it's one of those roles.

1636
01:50:45.079 --> 01:50:46.560
She's so um, she's such a
great breath. You don't realize what

1637
01:50:46.600 --> 01:50:49.079
a great job she's doing. His
little actress. And one thing I did

1638
01:50:49.239 --> 01:50:53.880
notice, I think I think the
director was very complimentary toward her, especially

1639
01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:57.399
her acting. So it's not a
surprise of all the kids in the movie,

1640
01:50:57.439 --> 01:51:00.239
she ended up having the most successful
career after that, yeah, adulthood.

1641
01:51:00.359 --> 01:51:04.399
But she said also that when they're
filming that scene when they were trapped

1642
01:51:04.439 --> 01:51:09.800
in that little room, uh and
uh, that first one, that that

1643
01:51:10.560 --> 01:51:13.880
was all black and white, not
not the different, not the lickable wallpaper

1644
01:51:13.920 --> 01:51:16.000
one but one of the other ones, and she said she flubbed a line.

1645
01:51:16.039 --> 01:51:19.199
And she said meld was was relentless
mel Stewart, which is like just

1646
01:51:19.479 --> 01:51:24.279
ragging on her big time, just
you know, really making her feel like

1647
01:51:24.359 --> 01:51:28.479
an idiot, which is also you
know, in character with him because he

1648
01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:33.359
was a taskmaster and m and probably
shouldn't have been according to a lot of

1649
01:51:33.439 --> 01:51:35.960
people, not just saying this that, you know, they said, of

1650
01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:39.119
all the people to be working on
a kids a movie, it shouldn't be

1651
01:51:39.199 --> 01:51:44.399
mel Stewart. But because there's there. It's the running joke in Hollywood since

1652
01:51:44.439 --> 01:51:46.359
I first started, especially if you're
making any movies, low budget movies,

1653
01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:48.760
is you know, the golden the
rule is no kids, no pets.

1654
01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:53.199
Yeah, because they will slow your
production down to a halt. Yeah.

1655
01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:56.640
And so yeah, if you're especially
in you have a tight budget and a

1656
01:51:56.720 --> 01:52:00.239
tight you know, production schedule,
and you've got kids flubbing lines. Yeah,

1657
01:52:00.600 --> 01:52:02.239
yeah, frustrating. It did the
right personality to deal with that,

1658
01:52:02.319 --> 01:52:05.319
I guess. But they said they
had like a dialogue coach with them,

1659
01:52:05.720 --> 01:52:09.199
who you know, every day before
they filmed their scenes, they would go

1660
01:52:09.279 --> 01:52:13.079
over their lines over and over with
this dialogue coach before they would go out

1661
01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:15.960
there, so they would be totally
prepped and ready as much as possible.

1662
01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:17.279
And they're still going to be kids, and they're still going to be kids

1663
01:52:17.880 --> 01:52:21.560
kids. Yeah. Um. Gunter
Meisner, who we mentioned who played Slugworth,

1664
01:52:21.960 --> 01:52:26.880
did mostly German films and he died
also while filming a TV series,

1665
01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:30.119
which is interesting. He had heart
failure when he was sixty eight years old.

1666
01:52:30.279 --> 01:52:33.319
On December fifth, nineteen ninety four. He had heart failure while shooting

1667
01:52:33.399 --> 01:52:36.119
a show. He's a good villain
Germany. He's a very good villain.

1668
01:52:36.279 --> 01:52:41.880
Yep. So that boat scene,
that crazy boat scene, it's voted one

1669
01:52:41.880 --> 01:52:45.520
of the scariest movie moments of all
time, which which it does. I

1670
01:52:45.600 --> 01:52:49.079
think it qualifies completely and just one
of another one of those odd sort of

1671
01:52:50.039 --> 01:52:55.640
you know, Gene Wilder talking in
foreign languages. It just came out of

1672
01:52:55.680 --> 01:52:57.479
nowhere. To me. I was
a kid, you know, ten twelve

1673
01:52:57.560 --> 01:53:00.640
years old or something hearing somebody speak
French. I know it's you know,

1674
01:53:00.800 --> 01:53:03.119
sounded like, but he does.
He speaks when the boat comes out,

1675
01:53:03.199 --> 01:53:08.239
and he speaks this line in perfect
French. So finally I asked my friends

1676
01:53:08.279 --> 01:53:10.680
Jeff and Dana Hartman to translate it
for me, and they did, and

1677
01:53:10.760 --> 01:53:13.560
it's just very simple. But it's
when the boat comes out. He's his

1678
01:53:13.680 --> 01:53:15.840
ladies and gentlemen, Now we are
going to take a little trip by boat.

1679
01:53:16.239 --> 01:53:21.399
You are now entering Wonka Tania,
which is really yeah, that's what

1680
01:53:21.479 --> 01:53:25.720
he says. So that's that was
the name of the ship. And he

1681
01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:28.920
introduces completely in French, and then
Dodo Denny goes, oh, you know,

1682
01:53:28.960 --> 01:53:31.640
something like trejeall Lee or something trajeall
Lee. Uh when she gets on

1683
01:53:31.760 --> 01:53:35.640
the thing. But uh, it
just um, it was just a cool

1684
01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:39.640
touch. Um. Do you want
to talk about some oopa oopa's I don't

1685
01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:42.399
know anything about loop loopas. I
really don't. I had to stop.

1686
01:53:42.680 --> 01:53:45.399
I was like, I'm done.
I can't do anymore. Okay, well

1687
01:53:45.479 --> 01:53:49.800
let's there's there's there's like one that
I was going to mention um. Probably

1688
01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:55.600
the most well known or that you
know of the Upa Loopa actors um who

1689
01:53:55.680 --> 01:54:01.560
has passed away was Malcolm Dixon.
And Malcolm Dixon was in He had a

1690
01:54:01.600 --> 01:54:05.800
pretty big role in Time Bandits.
He was one of the named ewoks in

1691
01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:11.560
Return of the Jedi. He had
extra work role and Flash Flash, Gordon,

1692
01:54:11.600 --> 01:54:14.399
The Dark, Crystal Labyrinth, Willow. He was in with them Hints

1693
01:54:14.479 --> 01:54:16.840
and People pretty good. I guess. He was also in music videos for

1694
01:54:17.039 --> 01:54:23.159
David Bowie and Duran Duran, which
I thought was interesting. And this is

1695
01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:26.359
what's weird about him. So he
passed away on April ninth, twenty twenty,

1696
01:54:26.439 --> 01:54:30.239
no cause that I could find.
But there's some sources that say he

1697
01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:33.239
was eighty five, and there's other
sources that say he was sixty six.

1698
01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:39.600
Oh interesting, I don't know.
Some like if you is. Wikipedia says

1699
01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:42.720
he was born in nineteen thirty four, and therefore he was eighty five when

1700
01:54:42.760 --> 01:54:45.520
he died, But then other media
reports from when he died claimed that he

1701
01:54:45.560 --> 01:54:49.520
was born in nineteen fifty three and
that he was actually sixty six, and

1702
01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:54.119
find a Grave says he was sixty
six. So I guess sixty six is

1703
01:54:54.119 --> 01:54:56.079
what I go. I would go
with that. If he was a Dwarf,

1704
01:54:56.119 --> 01:54:59.079
I would go with the sixty six. Then you know, I'm not

1705
01:54:59.159 --> 01:55:02.000
saying they don't have they generally,
don't you know that the physical Dwarfism is

1706
01:55:02.039 --> 01:55:05.720
a you know, a melody that
could be considered a handicapped to some people.

1707
01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:09.720
Nine handy, capable, whatever you
want to say. But but dwarves

1708
01:55:09.880 --> 01:55:14.720
have more maladies than than most physically, so it would the younger age would

1709
01:55:14.760 --> 01:55:17.119
make sense. Apparently there were I
don't know, I heard eight. I

1710
01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:21.399
think I counted nine at one time
in a scene of oompall Oompa's. I

1711
01:55:21.479 --> 01:55:25.800
read an interview where they said there
were ten. Most of them were British.

1712
01:55:26.119 --> 01:55:30.479
There was a woman. There was
a female in Balloompau. There was

1713
01:55:30.520 --> 01:55:32.000
one from Turkey, one from Malta
I think, and one from Spain.

1714
01:55:32.520 --> 01:55:36.600
So they had a hard time following
orders from me. Couldn't give them directions.

1715
01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:40.680
Yeah, yeah, but I'm not
sure. I was kind of bummed

1716
01:55:40.720 --> 01:55:43.800
now because there was I believe one
girl, one woman in there. There

1717
01:55:43.840 --> 01:55:45.600
was a midget, not a dwarf. And I kind of wish my friend,

1718
01:55:45.760 --> 01:55:48.159
my friend Sadie was in there because
she totally could have been in that.

1719
01:55:48.279 --> 01:55:51.119
She was a little person. She
wasn't ewok. She was in the

1720
01:55:51.159 --> 01:55:55.920
Frankie Goes to Hollywood video for Relax, she was in you know, Rocky

1721
01:55:56.000 --> 01:55:59.720
Horse. She was in a ton
of stuff, and I'm all disappointed,

1722
01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:01.199
But I don't know. Maybe she
didn't like the costumes they are wearing hers

1723
01:56:01.199 --> 01:56:04.439
and then she played it elf.
So yeah, and yeah, so she

1724
01:56:04.520 --> 01:56:06.840
got into costumes. I don't know
why. I wish I had asked her

1725
01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:12.640
about that. But um. Another
upolumpa was named George Clayton, and he,

1726
01:56:13.279 --> 01:56:16.239
you know, we talked about how
Roy Keaneer was in Help, George

1727
01:56:16.239 --> 01:56:20.640
Clayton was in Magical Mystery. To
her was hemm, so like a circus

1728
01:56:20.720 --> 01:56:24.720
performer. Probably, you know,
they the little people just were like that.

1729
01:56:24.840 --> 01:56:28.079
That's the way they were used in
in movies, right, Yeah,

1730
01:56:28.119 --> 01:56:32.479
they were just curiosities. Um.
And then Marcus Powell who was also in

1731
01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:36.680
Time Bandits and he was in an
Elephant Man. Um, he was in

1732
01:56:36.760 --> 01:56:41.560
the original the first Star Wars movie. He's an extra at the bar in

1733
01:56:41.640 --> 01:56:45.680
the CANTEENA. Oh cool. He's
this little guy who can barely see over

1734
01:56:45.760 --> 01:56:46.760
the top of the bar. He's
got white hair, and he kind of

1735
01:56:46.800 --> 01:56:50.039
looks over at Luke and Obi Wan
as they like walk up to the bar

1736
01:56:50.199 --> 01:56:54.039
basically and then the fight happens where
the guy gets his arm cut off.

1737
01:56:54.840 --> 01:56:56.720
Um. But yeah, he's right. You get a pretty good look at

1738
01:56:56.840 --> 01:56:59.000
him sitting at the bar. And
I even saw somebody made like an action

1739
01:56:59.079 --> 01:57:01.119
figure out of him. How fun. And he has a name and they

1740
01:57:01.159 --> 01:57:04.199
gave him a name, so yeah, it's kind of funny. Wow.

1741
01:57:04.279 --> 01:57:06.439
Seeah there's another thing. It's like, all, how would you like to

1742
01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:10.159
be in a frame of Star Wars? You know, I mean, that's

1743
01:57:10.159 --> 01:57:14.079
so cool. I would have that
frame framed on my wall. That would

1744
01:57:14.079 --> 01:57:15.079
be amazing. Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, I had UM. I

1745
01:57:15.159 --> 01:57:18.399
worked with a lady years ago who
was an extra in the Um, The

1746
01:57:18.560 --> 01:57:23.399
Enchantment, Under the Sea Dance and
Back to the Future, and I was

1747
01:57:23.640 --> 01:57:27.960
she described the dress that she was
wearing, and she's not she was not

1748
01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:30.920
an actress at all. She just
got picked, you know, at a

1749
01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:33.640
mall somewhere by a casting person like
we need more people, we need people

1750
01:57:33.680 --> 01:57:38.600
like you. And I found her. She's in clearly visible on two shots.

1751
01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:41.880
The one shot where them when they
stopped playing, and the and they

1752
01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:45.920
cut to the principle and he's covering
his ears with his hands because Marty's just

1753
01:57:45.960 --> 01:57:48.079
played the big guitar, so she's
standing right behind him, like right over

1754
01:57:48.119 --> 01:57:51.600
his shoulder basically. So I printed
out the two of them and gave him

1755
01:57:51.640 --> 01:57:55.199
to her to frame, and she
put up in her office I'm like,

1756
01:57:55.239 --> 01:57:58.279
I would have this up, like
I tell everyone I'd be in my business

1757
01:57:58.359 --> 01:58:04.760
card. Yeah, it's enchanting to
meet you. Yeah, I mean everything.

1758
01:58:04.960 --> 01:58:08.079
The girl who worked at our shop, Terry Bola was you know,

1759
01:58:08.199 --> 01:58:10.680
she was one of the girls that
through tampons at carry at the beginning of

1760
01:58:10.720 --> 01:58:13.279
the movie, you know, and
it's like I was given it. I

1761
01:58:13.399 --> 01:58:16.520
gave Terry tampons to autographed for people. You know. It's like that with

1762
01:58:16.680 --> 01:58:18.840
a great claim to fame, you
know. I mean she's been in a

1763
01:58:18.920 --> 01:58:23.560
lot of movies and stuff, but
but yeah, so iconic to be you

1764
01:58:23.640 --> 01:58:28.119
know, plug it Up. Plug
it Up. Had as producer I worked

1765
01:58:28.159 --> 01:58:30.960
with years ago. He um was
a musician on the side for fun and

1766
01:58:31.279 --> 01:58:35.520
somehow I think he was on a
production in England with George Harrison and he

1767
01:58:35.560 --> 01:58:39.159
goes, yeah, we ended up
getting on a helicopter and flying to George's

1768
01:58:39.239 --> 01:58:44.199
mansion out in the countryside, and
and he goes and I got to play.

1769
01:58:44.520 --> 01:58:46.439
I played guitar with him, like
in his living room and just hung

1770
01:58:46.479 --> 01:58:48.840
out and I went, what yeah, And he goes, yeah, He's

1771
01:58:48.840 --> 01:58:51.520
like I got a picture of it. I'm like, yeah, he brought

1772
01:58:51.560 --> 01:58:55.319
he brings he brought the picture to
the office the next day and it was

1773
01:58:55.439 --> 01:58:58.560
kind of like wrinkled a little bit
and like just creasing. I was just

1774
01:58:58.840 --> 01:59:01.399
he goes and it's a beautiful photo
of him sitting on the floor with George

1775
01:59:01.399 --> 01:59:05.039
Harrison playing guitar, and I'm like, oh my god, Like what you

1776
01:59:05.199 --> 01:59:10.640
jammed with a beatle? That's pretty
cool. Yeah, He's like, oh

1777
01:59:10.760 --> 01:59:13.479
yeah. I was like, dude, this would be like blowing up the

1778
01:59:13.560 --> 01:59:15.960
size of a white wallpaper in my
yes, Like you meet at parties.

1779
01:59:16.039 --> 01:59:18.479
What's your name? My name is
Scott. I used to jam with George

1780
01:59:18.479 --> 01:59:26.560
Harrison. What's your name? Enchanted
to meet you? So um. The

1781
01:59:26.680 --> 01:59:34.079
other four kids outside of the actress
that played Violet are still alive. Peter

1782
01:59:34.159 --> 01:59:38.520
Olstrom, who was Charlie. Of
course, he became a veterinarian Um.

1783
01:59:38.600 --> 01:59:41.960
Julie Cole who was ruc Assault.
She wrote a book in twenty sixteen called

1784
01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:45.920
I Want It Now. She's Great, all about her experience making the movie

1785
01:59:46.399 --> 01:59:49.479
Paris them In who was Mike TV. He did some acting and then he

1786
01:59:49.520 --> 01:59:53.279
bounced around a bunch of different gigs. And when he did that, you

1787
01:59:53.359 --> 01:59:58.600
know, after they were famous.
Thing he was working in investments. I

1788
01:59:58.720 --> 02:00:03.239
think something in the Fine It's World. And then Michael Boehner, Augustus Gloop,

1789
02:00:03.279 --> 02:00:06.039
we already said a group to be
six foot seven and he's in a

1790
02:00:06.279 --> 02:00:10.760
tax account in Germany and who knows. I mean that was as of,

1791
02:00:10.920 --> 02:00:12.960
you know, whenever they made that
show, like twenty years ago. So

1792
02:00:13.319 --> 02:00:15.680
I'm sure a lot of them have
since retired, yeah, from even from

1793
02:00:15.720 --> 02:00:19.680
their second career as even yeah yeah, wow. Well, like I said,

1794
02:00:19.720 --> 02:00:23.800
he's six weeks of your life.
You become an American icon, You've

1795
02:00:23.800 --> 02:00:28.319
become a cinematic icon. And it's
not so bad. Not so bad.

1796
02:00:30.039 --> 02:00:31.439
I mean, look at Butch Patrick. You know, Butch Patrick has been

1797
02:00:31.600 --> 02:00:34.520
dining out on the Eddie Munster thing
forever. It's just been it's become his

1798
02:00:34.640 --> 02:00:38.079
career. You know, he is, and and good for him, you

1799
02:00:38.119 --> 02:00:41.880
know, something a job he had
almost sixty years ago. But so you

1800
02:00:41.960 --> 02:00:44.199
know, he's he's he's he's making
it work for him. It is.

1801
02:00:44.359 --> 02:00:46.079
Granted it was a little bit more
than six weeks for him, but h

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02:00:46.279 --> 02:00:50.039
but still it's it's why not people, that's what they're gonna know you for.

1803
02:00:50.920 --> 02:00:54.239
I feel like, if you can't
make it a big career, as

1804
02:00:54.239 --> 02:00:57.000
an actor. That's like the next
best thing. Yes, I agree,

1805
02:00:57.079 --> 02:00:59.359
you had that one iconic role that, like you said, you can dine

1806
02:00:59.359 --> 02:01:01.680
out on the Yeah. Yeah,
wow, and a great and a great

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02:01:01.720 --> 02:01:05.239
one. And in longevity, you
know, the longevity of this movie is

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02:01:05.520 --> 02:01:10.840
is fascinating to me. And it's
going to be fifty years soon. I

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02:01:10.960 --> 02:01:15.800
got the forty fifth anniversary and it
was just fifty years. It wasn't already

1810
02:01:15.840 --> 02:01:17.359
fifty Oh this right. I went
to see Oh my god, it was

1811
02:01:17.439 --> 02:01:20.880
like it was fifty years last year. Yeah. I think they played it

1812
02:01:21.000 --> 02:01:24.840
here in Palm Springs and I went
to see it at the movies. I

1813
02:01:24.920 --> 02:01:28.039
was only like five people there,
but it was a fiftieth anniversary screening.

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02:01:28.520 --> 02:01:30.640
There was no I mean, it
wasn't any cash members. It was just

1815
02:01:30.680 --> 02:01:32.800
seeing it on the big screen again, and it was it was really neat

1816
02:01:32.880 --> 02:01:36.439
to m to see it again in
the movie theater. But fifty years,

1817
02:01:36.520 --> 02:01:40.840
my gosh, well there you are. It means eight years from now it'll

1818
02:01:40.840 --> 02:01:45.680
be older than a Humphrey bill Guard. It's actually it wasn't fifty this year,

1819
02:01:45.920 --> 02:01:48.039
my gosh, it is twenty twenty
one. It came out in nineteen

1820
02:01:48.079 --> 02:01:51.279
seventy one, so twenty twenty one
fifty. Yeah. The only other thing

1821
02:01:51.319 --> 02:01:56.000
I was going to say is that, um, the you know, the

1822
02:01:56.079 --> 02:01:59.239
longevity we talked about the auction.
I guess there was a golden ticket that's

1823
02:01:59.239 --> 02:02:03.680
sold for it was Verruca's Julie Cole's
golden tickets over thirty four thousand at auction.

1824
02:02:04.560 --> 02:02:12.680
And um, and they say the
all time most popular meme is the

1825
02:02:12.760 --> 02:02:15.760
Willy Wonka meme, the one that
the condescending Willy Wonka meme they call it.

1826
02:02:16.079 --> 02:02:18.520
Yes, where um, you know, oh, really tell me more

1827
02:02:18.640 --> 02:02:23.399
kind of things, right exactly?
Yeah, which is there? But yeah,

1828
02:02:23.439 --> 02:02:27.279
it's an independent study of two thousand
British adults concluded that it was all

1829
02:02:27.560 --> 02:02:30.199
their whole time favorite. It's like, well, okay, I absolutly room

1830
02:02:30.239 --> 02:02:34.199
full of people. But it's funny
because there's probably a younger generation that knows

1831
02:02:34.279 --> 02:02:38.560
Gene Wilder because of that meme,
probably from any of his movies. But

1832
02:02:38.720 --> 02:02:42.119
I do the Wonka one is is
you still see it a lot? And

1833
02:02:42.520 --> 02:02:47.800
uh and uh and I think that
says something about longepitty. Yes, I

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02:02:47.840 --> 02:02:53.520
guess that's it. All right,
Well, everybody, thanks for going on

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02:02:53.680 --> 02:02:58.119
this. Uh this Journey to Wanka
Land with us. Yeah, you're going

1836
02:02:58.159 --> 02:03:02.439
to see it on Wonka Vision eventually
on YouTube. Yeah and hopefully and check

1837
02:03:02.520 --> 02:03:06.279
out um aut you can watch that
um after they were famous episode with the

1838
02:03:06.359 --> 02:03:10.039
Waka cast. He is on YouTube
the whole episode. We should put a

1839
02:03:10.079 --> 02:03:13.960
link to it when when you send
me the Kyle, remind me and I'll

1840
02:03:13.960 --> 02:03:17.079
put a link just underneath it.
Watch that. That'd be cool, um

1841
02:03:17.119 --> 02:03:20.680
and you can also you can also
find the making of documentaries might also be

1842
02:03:20.760 --> 02:03:24.279
on one of the DVDs that they
put out. I think that's originally what

1843
02:03:24.439 --> 02:03:28.199
that was made for. Possibly it
was for the first DVD release back in

1844
02:03:28.239 --> 02:03:30.119
the Night, Yeah, because they
were still talking about Leonard Stone like he

1845
02:03:30.239 --> 02:03:34.359
was alive, you know, when
it was that's an old documentary. It

1846
02:03:34.479 --> 02:03:38.720
was great. They interviewed everybody.
Mel Stewart was in it and the director

1847
02:03:38.920 --> 02:03:43.399
and uh and the the the screenwriter
was in it and not rolled all but

1848
02:03:43.479 --> 02:03:46.239
the one that didn't get his name
on it. Yeah. So I reckon

1849
02:03:46.439 --> 02:03:48.960
both of those. And they're not
too long either. They're both like half

1850
02:03:49.000 --> 02:03:54.600
hour program so basically you could have
watched it five times in the time that

1851
02:03:54.680 --> 02:04:00.560
we are taking to make this podcast, but you laugh a lot more listening

1852
02:04:00.600 --> 02:04:04.560
to the podcast to us tell the
stories from it in our own words.

1853
02:04:04.600 --> 02:04:12.199
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go
in lick wallpaper now, okay, tongue.

1854
02:04:12.199 --> 02:04:16.720
Oh, it's so creepy. It's
so creepy. That is so creepy.

1855
02:04:17.159 --> 02:04:27.000
You think he's spelling out the alphabet. I don't know. All right,

1856
02:04:27.239 --> 02:04:31.880
everybody, It's been fun as always. Thanks for joining us and we

1857
02:04:31.960 --> 02:04:35.439
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1858
02:04:35.479 --> 02:04:40.760
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1859
02:04:40.840 --> 02:04:45.560
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1860
02:04:45.680 --> 02:04:49.039
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1861
02:04:49.079 --> 02:04:53.000
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1862
02:04:53.039 --> 02:04:56.479
to put these out to the general
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1863
02:04:56.640 --> 02:05:01.920
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1864
02:05:02.039 --> 02:05:09.880
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