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go. I'm here, fully clothed and everything. No, wait, don't
don't tease them, Okay, girls, sit yourself down, get your big
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in your loub I'm sorry lost the very famous one wanted to see you one.
Hello Macall oh, girls, ladies and gentlemen, all ships at sea,
welcome to the show. And as you know where I live for these
shows, especially the music show. Okay, these are the most fun.
I think. Well, let's see how this goes. Yeah, we'll see
everything, and that's where it's the most fun. Everything, okay with you
over there across the puddle and all. Yeah, I'm still trying to find
out what happened with Prince William. But you know, Prince William, no
new news. Huh, he's disappears at the angle. Yeah. Well,
you know they're trying and keep it, keep thinking some down low with the
the royal family. You know, if I hate to be like this,
but if I had to bet, not that I've ever done that, I
get a feeling that the King Charles is on his way to meet his mother
and they just grooming the William. So you're going to take over in about
a week. You're gotta get shipped together. That could be they might be
fitting in for a new suit. Yeah exactly, yep. Wow, well
anyway, wow yeah uh, speaking of royalty, also joining us is Lonely
Larry up there in Upstate in the those sideways in your eye double l how
are you? I'm good, but I'm searching for how I count as royalty?
But I'll take it. Do you know have you ever done the genetic
search? You? I haven't. But my dog has your dog, cass.
That's the priority in this house. And where's the dog? From Lebanon
talks from help? Very good? We were also with us is where is
Rob Ferrow? A good friend Rob for our music writer in more ways than
one. Rob, how you doing? And if you want to, uh,
paint the picture in your head a young Stanley Tucci. Okay, that's
a com Yeah you said, let's say young you look like Stanley Tucci.
Okay, bless you, bless you man. The Devil Wears Pradact era Stanley
Tucci. I never saw it, never won one of my favorite movies.
And uh, listen to say, watch that movie every day for some reason
you do, especially the first ten minutes of it. Why now we have
to know why? Tell us why? Well? The Devils product is about
a fashion magazine, right and the publishing house that's run by Meryl Street.
And there's got some fantastic actresses in it, but also has some pretty good
models. In fact, Giselle Bunching is in it for a few scenes,
but the beginning of it at opening number being played in the background ahead,
it's a dance number. It's it's kind of it's up tempo. Now I
see is I think the title of it. I forgets who the the group
is. It's a female group and the models, the girls who work for
this fashion magazine called Runway, are getting dressed. They're getting dressed for work.
It's all coming together, about about three of them, including Anne Hathaway,
who is not getting super dressed. She's just thrown on a street close.
The shots are like each individual person for a couple of seconds putting on
something almost naked underwear to ear rings, the whole deal. And they're ready
to go out and grab a taxi in two hours. That was what they're
eating for breakfast. They're all eating something super healthy and and Hathaway is,
uh, he's about ready to order an onion bagel at a local coffee shop.
So now I know why you watch it every day. The first ten
minutes every day, it's it's non stop funny though it's serious sounds. Meryl
Streep is amazing. Yeah, Tucci is amazing. That's how Emily Blunt is
a secretary who's who's trying to groom somebody to take her place so she can
move up the ladder. Have you been eating too much tofu or something?
You Yeah, you go a lot of tofo over in England. I don't
know anybody eats tofu. Listen, you've been stepping now. That was four
minutes and ten seconds stepping on our last guest introduction one one, but it
was fascinating. We'll see. Yeah she is? How is she saving the
best for last and joining us on a very rare live appearance? Very lovely
lois nae, lois Hi. Everybody, we have to clap for her.
Guys, please clap. She's clapping for herself. So how are you?
I'm just dandy? Thank you, just dandy? Really excited to talk about
or listen to you talk about music. Well, you're not going to join
in. Well, I'm not a musician like you guys are we're not musicians?
Well no, but you all have a store of musical Well, I
know a couple of stories you can tell, well, famous musicians you've met.
Yeah, okay, Well, if it's loaves done, if it gets
well, I'll pop that in although I'm not sure anybody else will find it
fascinating, but we'll see. Let us be the judge of that. So
anyway, so tonight, what we're going to do is we're just going to
be talking about music and mostly about you know, maybe incown does we've had
with real musicians, are you know, just things that have happened in concerts
that you know kind of stuck up out in your mind. Now, Rob,
let me just go to you for us. Now, go ahead,
Now, how how long have you been You've been interviewing musicians celebrities on someone
for quite a while, right, yeah, from my format to like to
do it on the regular, I'd say about eight years, eight or nine
years now, Okay, And don't you have like you have an organization that
explained those two? Yes? So I have two websites. One is of
Personal interest dot com, which just lists in a regular format some of the
interviews that have done. Another website, though I have, called the Giving
Arts dot Com, is a vehicle to help raise additional money for celebrity fundraisers.
So they will invite me to the fundraiser. Sometimes I'll promote it ahead
of time. I'll go there and write about the event and then at the
in within the article, I will then solicit more money for the event that
I witness. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. I like that idea.
And so so you've you've met like a lot of interesting people though, right
and last time he ran, I think I asked you who's the who's what
celebrity would like surprise us that they were a human being if you know what
I mean, Like what celebrity was down to earth that you didn't think would
be And Paul Stanley of Kiss Yeah, yeah, yeah, we saw the
access interview with him with Dan Rode. He's an interesting is I heard a
lot of things about him and I went in there with the defense shields up,
and I actually had two sets of questions, one, I guess we
can't be too profane. One if he was a jerk, yes, and
the other if he was not a jerk. And I never got into the
jerk Alum he was. He was great. What it just turns out is
he likes competence, he likes professionalism. Go in there and you don't ask
him something that makes him feel stupid for being there along and keep going.
Yeah, And I talked him for an hour and twenty minutes. Yeah,
yeah, he I was going to say Lewis and I watched Brother about a
year ago, maybe w Loonga. Dan Rada has a show on Access TV
of all People, Dan Rather, and he interviews rock musicians and he's great
at it. He does it, Yeah, he does. And he does
one with Paul Stanley. We just sat there and said, and a lot
of times when you see that series, at the end of it, you
go, you can't believe, Like Robert Plant, you know, my whole
idea of Robit Plant changed completely after that interview, you know. And he's
like that with a lot of these people. And because he really asks real
questions like ro to say, not just oh what's your favorite song? And
yeah, yes he does. He really does some research and right asks them
more meaningful questions. Right, yes, yes, get that cat out of
the Get that cat off screen. I'm going to pull the plug and double
out. Get the Is that a cat or a dog? Get that thing
out? But yeah, Paul Stemle, he tells the story. You're going
to lose many, many fans because everybody loves cats. I mean, I'm
allergic. I think you're talking about kiss fans. Get out of it.
So he tells a story about how he grew up as a kid and one
of his ears was deformed. Okay, so as a kid growing up,
like in elementary school and everything, he was just you know, picked on,
bullied, beat up the works. And dan Rada said to him,
what saved you? He said, the Beatles? Because when the Beatles came
out, I could grow my hair over my ears. And he says,
that just started a home in life for me, you know. And look
look how we wound up, right, you know, so interesting and an
artist and his paintings self for like ten million bucks and stuff. It's not
the guy you think it is. Yeah, a matter of fact, that's
what we were doing. We're promoting his art. That's always a nice ind
for famous musicians. A lot of musicians paint, a lot of them draw,
and they have anxiety when they put a show on that because it's like
their their moonlighting phase. They therefore, no one's going to show up,
all right. So I get in there because I promote them on both a
local level, regional level, and then a national level, and it gives
them a chance to think, Okay, well if I talk to this guy,
maybe more people show up. And they never have to worry, right,
Yeah, yes, they always do. Well. That's strange because what
you're right, A lot of rock musicians paint a drawer that like John Entwistle
was a really good honest run Woods, a really good honest I mean,
even John Lennon was kind of like an honest what did you think of his
artwork? Run? I a matter of fact, I liked his more than
a lot of people's who've I've promoted. He's a true painter, like you
literally get up there and paint the thing. A lot of other people do
things in like a more of a factory fashion. Sure, other people try
to do things that are like more abstract, because being abstract is an excuse
to say it's, you know what I wanted it to be. It's a
mess. Yeah, yeah, I threw a couple of cans of paint that
the thing. Can't you see him? Yeah, so thrown upside down?
Look what it is, it's the same thing upside down. Did you buy
one of his paying things around? Certainly not. But I watched himself probably
about a million dollars worth of art and yeah, yeah, yeah, easy,
yeah, yeah, you got to see this guy. I mean he's
really something else. I mean he obviously the Kiss thing good or bad.
You know, they never had a hit and they were never played on the
radio or anything. You know, there's just kind of a touring band and
also known for you know, their outrageousness and stuff. But they really took
it as a business. I mean, his partner there who who who lives
like one block away, but they don't talk to each other for years.
Geene Simmons. Yeah, yeah, he's selling the Kiss coffins. And you
know, he really went like to the extreme. You know, Paul Stanley
kind of took I know, he educated himself, I guess, I don't
know, I don't know, but he's a smart guy and has trained the
whole Kiss thing into you know, something even like bigger than Kiss, if
you can believe. Do you ever see them live? Do you ever see
them play around? Well? Yeah, man, many times in makeup and
not in makeup. I can tell you that the resentment between those two.
Everybody thinks it's because they've been there around forever and they make so many decisions
together, and that's true, But the main resentment is that Geene Simmons,
if you guys will remember he was in a couple of movies in the early
eighties. One of them was with Tom Selleck Runaway, Okay, run Away,
a couple others. He wanted to be a movie star, Wow.
And he started to check out from the band, and and Paul put together
a couple of albums almost single handedly, and he still resents them for it.
Well other way, it's like, this is a big baby. You
are now continuing the profit from this big baby and that all that stuff,
and I'm the one who kept it on the tracks, you know. Yeah,
yeah, Well, it's kind of like Mick Jagger and Keith Riches because
they were basically both co running stuff. They threw Brian Jones out of the
band. They were co running it, and they get real big in the
early seventies. Keith gets it to get that cat out of there, get
that get that look at that thing cat. But you didn't even notice.
It is different. It's not as black and white as the other one.
Don't even so anyway, And so then Keith gets all addicted and Mick basically
runs the band for ten years, you know. And then when when Keith
comes back, he wants you know, the equals sharing again and mix says,
uh uh, you know you checked out for ten years, so that
was the friction between them for a long time. And now I think grudgingly
it's kind of like, ah, yeah, okay, because now it's like
hugely big. Yeah, the pieces of the pie are so big everybody's full.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, good way to put it. So listen,
I want to start off. We're just talking tonight about uh, you
know, music and you know celebrities. You might have met her memorable concerts.
And I'm going to throw it to Larry lonely Larry first and then but
you have to move your camera please. That's disturbing me. I can't talk,
and look how not that way. He is not going to accommodate you.
So lowly, Larry, you, I don't want to say, admitted
to me today, but you revealed me to that you were a big big
Neil Diamond's hand, right. I wouldn't say big big, but yeah,
I like Neil Diamond always that That's that's what your email said, big big.
Yes. So okay, and so you have a funny story. But
you and Neil are friends now or something? Sure? Yeah? No,
My I have two daughters, one on one one you were acquainted with who
hates Neil Diamonds. The other is and and and was a big fan.
And when she was ten years old, we were living near Philadelphia and he
was coming to town and she heard about this on the radio and went nuts
and said, you you got to take me to Neil diamond please, which
wasn't a hard sell for me. But we went to the show, and
the couple behind us the they uh, they assumed that I was a fan,
and I dragged my daughter along so I wouldn't have to go stag.
But I informed them and in fact it was it was really her doing,
and they thought that was was pretty cool. I think he said precious in
the email, but I did not know. I know, I think in
my in my whole life, I have never said the word precious very much.
The the the Yeah, Neil diam interesting guy because he started the Brill
Building with like Carol King and all those people, Neil Sadaka people like that,
and he was like write a song of day type guy and who just
became a performer. He's he's not the greatest singer in the world, all
the greatest kind of frontman, but he's huge. There was a story about
him the other day where I was reading and his engineers producers book we have.
They said, we want to have Neil do a TV appearance in England
to promote this record. So he says okay, and then he goes over
there. He thinks he's gonna be on an English TV show and from that
it blows up to let's do a concert outside of Castle, a live concert,
you know, beam it back to America. Blah blah okay, So
they do that, They put that together. It's on some kinds of state.
Word gets around. They're expecting five thousand people, and forty five thousand
people showed up to go to it. And they had no idea that he
was that popular in England because he was over there promoting his record, you
know. So very popular guy, the Jewish Elvis. They call him really
good songs, good songwriter. You know, he's written songs for other people
including the Monkeys. Yeah. Interesting guy in quit medical school with like one
semester to go before we get his degree or whatever to go into the music
biz. How about that was the snare drumming that one? So yeah,
he had an incredible stage presence and I say had He's still around, but
yeah, retired touring a few years. I could see that. Yeah,
when I saw him, it was in ninety six, so yeah, he
was, you know, in the middle aged, probably pushing sixty, and
he had energy like you wouldn't believe, just just an amazing presence on that
stage. I think he was busted for a huge cocaine thing at some point
in the nineties, as it turns out, Lowry, so that might you
know, uh, explain the energy. Who knows? You got to find
that dark dark line. It's the facts there man. So okay, all
right, so did you uh did you hang around afterwards and get his autograph
or anything? Double l for you? My daughter a T shirt? Though?
Really? Wow? Oh you huh? What was that about five bucks
back then? Seven? So was that her first concert that you took her
to? You know what had to be? I think she's ten ten,
you know kids go to concerts. Yeah, I had to be your first
real concert. Let me just throw this the lowest real quick. What was
your first concert growing up? Not where we were. I went to see
the Buggles all but they were there, Yes, they were the lead for
Yes, and I wasn't I didn't know anything. About Yes, But at
the time, the Buggles were big and ironic and it wasn't very memorable.
I didn't really enjoy it really, Huh. You were probably the only girl
there for one thing, you know. I have such vague memories of it.
Yeah, not not an interesting tale. Little stay for Yes though,
excuse me, they were this is for for one year the Bugles were in
Yes, Yeah, and she saw that tool like they were the lead singers
or something, right, didn't they take over for the singer? Yeah,
the singing and the keba player? Yeah, anyway, Yeah, Trevor Horn
took over for John Anderson's vocals. You know, Rob, someday we should
top off air about I did a little bit of publicity for Johnny Anderson,
as it turns out, and also Rick Wakeman got to know my heroes in
a way. You know. Yeah, that's that's very cool. I think
of what they called it, what the fans call Yes West, which is
when oh yeah, Trevor Horn and John Anderson got together. What did you
think of those albums? You know, they know how to put the They
they learned through Trevor Raven how to put together a pop song, you know
what I mean? So they gave them good pop songs. What's his name,
Clive Davison, whoever is running Atlantic Records at the time, Urgent Ottoman
or whatever that guy's name was. They would they would go to Trevor Raven
and they say, you got any you know, pop records and he would
write for other people too, and they said, put two or three together
and put yes together with you and that's you know, how they did it.
So John Nison just comes in and sings all of them, and I
mean they're interested and they're not terrible. Yeah, I like them. I
mean they came out when I was like twelve and fifteen, so of course
I was gonna like them. That was right in my wheelhouse. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, you're of yes, Rob, did you realize that you
liked them? I was just curious years or well, it's the same story
because of my age one. It's the same thing every time. I always
get the commercial stuff that everybody else says, oh, this sucks, they
used to be better. I like that stuff because it's in my era.
And then I work backwards, right, that's funny, the quote unquote good
stuff. And I did that with almost all the classic fans. Yeah,
yeah, Genesis would be another band that I could see people doing that.
Yeah, that's right there, you're a big Genesis fan, right, oh,
very big. I like Gabriel Genesis or well that's okay. I know
we're I know we're max leading. No you don't. How do you know
that? I know? You mech So about ten years ago, I was
I was in your journy. I went to a concert by Steve Hackett,
who played guitar for Genesis in the early years, and so he was doing
in Hackett, by the way, just an unbelievable performer. I seen him
many many times. He was doing He's done a lot of solo stuff,
but he was doing an all Genesis show and it was all Peter Gabriel era
Genesis, so nineteen seventy four and back, and it was a great show.
And so he finished, they finished one of the songs, and as
the applies applause died down, somebody in the audience yelled out do invisible Touch,
and of course laughter ensued. I was hoping the guy wouldn't get pummeled
and dragged out on a stretcher. But it was alling good fun. But
we weren't a really said well, in Visible Fetch is even worse than Alcab
I think. But she liked that stuff. I like that as well.
Yeah, no, And you know, and I know what Rob is talking
about, the the the the bands that used to be good. My wife,
who is uh, who is younger than I am, like, she
will hear Owner of a Lonely Heart on the radio by Yes, and it's
a terrible song. I'll say, you got to understand, Yes was once
a good band and you ought to listen to this. You got to listen
to that. Shell said, no, no, this is this is a
great song. This is just a wonderful song. And she won't she won't
hear any of my old, my old man music. Okay, I actually,
Larry, I disagree with you. I think that that that that pop
Yes, which was that era of Yes, was castigated by all the writers.
I think for where are they going? You know, and Steve Howe
wasn't around, and you know that's turmoil, you know what. See you
like that that Owner of a Lonely Heart era of Yes. And then the
combining of them the Union, Yes, the Union record eleven of them,
Yes, but you know total plays on that record new all on the same
stage. There's a lot of it was amazing. Yeah. See, that's
the deciding factor is if you saw that lineup of the band slash bands live,
if you saw them in concert, and you saw, you know,
despite what the you know, the music, the current music, and they
were unbelievable. They would always kick ass. These days not so much,
but they were telling. I've seen them probably ten times easily and probably more,
and they're just always good, just really good, good, good good,
you know, Yes, and all their incarnations. Basically saw them at
the Hampton Casino a couple of times, yes, and then one time just
before Alan not Alan, why who who died? The bass player Chris Squire,
Yeah, Chris Squire, good player, great player that era and uh,
I never I saw them once with the other John as the lead singer.
Didn't like it. Yeah, yeah, they run out of gas these
days. Yeah, that was weird. And I saw them h Anderson,
Bruford, Wakeman and how I actually worked that show as a stage. Yeah,
they were all right, they had and I was installing Rick Wakeman's uh
Hammond and his Leslie sound Leslie tone cabinet on my hands and knees crawling around,
Yes, and he walks by and uh actually touched his garment and he
signed my bed really yes, in that order. Yeah, there was a
scribble. It was like, this is a scribble. I was talking to
him that happened and I'm not worthy moment, and then I'd like the the
other concoction of what was it called aar w something. It was that Trevor
Rabin, John Anderson, and Rick Wakeman and a couple of those Oh yeah,
right, yeah around, yeah, that's right. They couldn't use the
name, yes, so they were yeah right Anderson Wakeman and yeah, yeah,
anyway, and they played the Orphium Theater and they played the Wangs.
I saw them two years in a row. See, they can always get
away with if they if they're good, and people just like to see them
play live, you know. And but hmm, it's the I'm trying to
think of the an appropriate story to tell that I know about them. Well,
yeah, we were talking about Rick Wakeman last night. Check them out
these days. I mean, he literally looks I'm going to repeat last night's
joke, he looks like he's nine months pregnant. His watt has broke and
he got to get him to the hospital. He is enormous, enormous,
and he told this joke, and I'll tell the show gover. I no,
lonely l liked this one because in England he's like a known for a
comm and he had a funny talk show on. Over here he's known as
a musician, but over England it is different. So he starts Cevy show
off with a joke, and the joke is, my friend called me up
and he said, hey, listen, my wife is trying to kill me.
He goes, no, come on, young crazy. He says,
no, no, my wife is trying to kill me. I know she's
trying to kill me. He goes, how do you know? He says,
she's trying to poison me. Take it from me. She's trying to
poison me. So Wagner says, put her on the put her on the
phone, let me talk to her. So after three hours he hands the
phone back to the guy and he goes, take the poison. Oh sorry,
Lois, what's in the drink anyway? All right, we'll cut that
on. So Lois, let's just talk to you for a second. Okay,
you have some interesting stories. Now, you're a big fan of Elvis
Costello. I think that's true to say, right, I was, yes,
okay, you were. You don't like him anymore? Well, you
know what, I don't really follow him anymore, so but I liked him
when he came out and saw him the number of times. So yeah,
so the first time you saw him, the first time you met him,
could you just tell us how that happened. So I was at a concert
and with somebody, and when that person went into the bathroom and I was
waiting outside, somebody came up to me and said, you look lonely.
And I was like, you know, creep, that's what I'm thinking.
And so I just said no, I never get lonely, and he goes,
well, you know, how would you like to lighten up your night?
And again I'm just thinking, creep, go away, hurry up.
Come out of the bathroom to my friend and he said, well, actually
you can go backstage. Here's a backstage pass. And I said, yeah,
right. I didn't believe him, and he said no, no,
really, and then he took the badge and it was like a peel and
stick and he put it on me. He said, you really can go
backstage. So and then you know, he moved on to find other people.
And then I still was like not believing it, but the person I
was with said, oh no, so let's go. So yeah, that's
how I went backstage. It was an open you know, it's outside,
so I didn't really meet him meet him, but I was with you know,
a number of other people, and he was there and he just didn't
really you know, it was anticlimactic, let's say, except that I saw
him closer, you know, no number two, but number two meeting go
ahead. So after that I became quite enamored with the music, and so
I said, okay, I'm going to get him flowers and I'm going to
give them to him on the stage. Right, I'm gonna go up and
give him flowers on the stage well where he was playing. Gosh, I've
forgotten the name of the venue, but it had the stage, then some
water and then all the seats, so it was ye, it might have
been. And and so there's no way to get close to the stage during
the show, you know, I thought, during the show, I'll just
go up pan him the flowers and who knows. So so now it's over
and my friends are like, oh, you didn't get to do it.
I'm like yeah. So we are the last people in the stands and we're
walking around and you know, this guy sitting at a soundboard said, oh,
what are those flowers for? And I said, oh, you know,
I wanted to get them to help us. He goes, oh,
well, and he gives me a backstage pass and I go backstage and number
two, Yeah, why don't we do this? There's five more episodes,
not even interesting. They're all like that, and you get the idea.
I never really we're going to take a break now, comment that I love
Elvis Costello back then, what the the miam is true? Watching the detectives
here, Yeah, it was fabulous, thought the Elvis Costello. The attractions
were great, and they were some of their cuts aren't any of my eighties
mixed cassettes. And they went through a huge tupperware container of my mixtapes.
W Rob, I was going to photograph some of the setlists of the mixed
text and send it to it. They get a load on you avoided that,
Robin. First of all, go ahead, Rob. First of all,
let me say really quick, Lois you already gave one an idea.
He's going to go to the Stones concert this year with flower right and then
walk around looking lonely. Lonely the first thing. The second thing is see
this band aid right here. Just yesterday I went uh to the dermatologists.
He had to remove a little mole there, and when he was doing it,
he had me laid back on the the greeny thing there and he's talking
to me and it's a little awkward, and he says, so you're you're
a music journalist, right, and I said yeah, and then he there's
like ten seconds of silence and he just goes, you like Elvis Costella.
Oh hopefully you said yeah. I said, yes, I do it.
I said, I've seen him a lot in different arch incarnations. I've seen
him and Steve Naive just do a piano and real and he goes Steve Naive
and he stops working on me, just like I was like, I got
to bring his conversation. Please do a good tub on this holes. That's
funny, that's funny. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know great.
I don't know. I don't think he's great. I'm surprised he's still
around. But he's doing you know, the ice capades with bright back around
music. But see that's his music. What I liked about it was.
I think he was a wordsmith. I don't know musically how great it was,
and I don't think I think he knew how to write a song that
meant something and that they usually touched me. It was a tremendous put down
artist. He was like a dissert even before. Yeah, rap rap.
But he's got a line that says, you're acting like a duchess, but
you're still a waitress. Great. Yeah, see it's that kind of thing.
Yes, yes, exactly. But I was looking for a link here
on my laptop. He did a in the UK. Here he hooked up
with like a string quartet. Yeah, he did always do with them in
the concert. So Elvis Costello is like multifaceted and he's he's a Robert Plant.
Yeah, but he's he's different. I mean, he goes, he
can like he could be a seed of ballads. He could be caught a
seed of Broadway tunes. This is Elvis Costell and he'd be People would accept
it, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, that's him.
I don't think Robert Plant could you know, be singing Broadway tunes. But
but to talk about him now, he has a huge second huge event with
what's the name Alison Krause who put those two together, huge, huge record
and tour. Well, any idea how they got together? Was that just
out of the blow of are those agents trying to live together for a while?
But yeah, yeah, I kind of a meeting of the mind.
So I I'm not sure exactly what problem together, but let me put that
record up Racing Sands. Yeah, good record, yep, yeah, And
I love Dallas and Krause anyway. You see, I'm just Robert Planning.
He's still too mellow for me. But then it took me a while to
actually get used to the record, and then a lot longer to even like
the record. It seems to me that's that's the story that hey, one
night I called her up and let's do this and that kind of stuff.
But I'm you know, I'm Steve Naive, who I believe that. I
just get a feeling that record companies come together, agents come together. Maybe
they were the same agent, the same management, and they're throwing people together.
I know when it's at VH one had a series on and it was
like putting odd bands together, and some of them were actually pretty good.
It was like you know, Sting and Linen skin It and you know those
kinds, and some of them weren't bad, some of them were stupid.
And I think in that era someone said, hey, what an odd combination
this would be, and it works. So just one less made an odd
combination that they actually did in real life or fantasy. Odd combination. No,
no, it's like it's two very completely different kinds of music. Yet
they were able to kind of fuse them together. Between these two who got
to be two completely different kinds of people. I know what the philosophy was
between with the Crafts and the Plant because of the Crafts and the Plant.
Thing was that Plant was making all this low energy adult contemporary type music,
but only as fans were buying the album because they were Pavlov's dog. That's
what they did. They buy Robert Plant albums and then the bitch about it.
They're disappointed in them. Yeah yeah yeah, And their goal was to
cross them over with somebody else who's really big on the adult contemporary set,
so that way adult contemporary people buy it and say, well, this is
fantastic, we appreciate what he's doing. Yeah yeah, see yeah, okay,
that's good. I mean you know, it's a if you're in the
entertainment business's a great decision. Go ahead, Lois Slows is going to cop
off the I was cost Cells story before we go to break Well. I
just he had an interview show for a while, Yes, And really I
think that's when you sort of appreciated him because he would talk to musicians the
way you would like to talk to musicians, right, And it was kind
of he was very knowledgeable about a lot of different kinds of music. I
think you grew to appreciate him a little more. And he played with them,
you know, he was actually pretty good, you know, it was
it wasn't all just the kind of musicians you would expect him to have.
He knew a lot about them. He asked them, as you say,
it's like questions we'd ask them, you know, instead of what's your favorite
color? You know? And yeah, he's in He's an interesting guy.
His wife is also a blue singer, Diana Krall I think her name is.
She has her own kind of you know, big life on her CD.
It's an amazing piano player. Yeah, yeah, she's good. So
anyway, well listen, why don't you peel me a grape? Is one
of my favorite songs. Really, Aleen always asked me to peel her great.
Could you peel me a grape? Wow? And what do you say?
Obstacle toes? French? French? That's one of the lines, right
fresh. It's a great that's a great song. Row Diana, Diana crawl.
Is that smoky voice? She's just one y. I'm very good looking.
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we've gone to their memorable et cetera, et cetera. Let me introduced members
of the place. Girls. You know he's here, very famous one one
over there in England. Hello everybody, Hello girls, ladies and gentlemen,
and welcome to the show, and Mac thanks for having me on again.
I just love it. I lived for this, Okay, it's been every
week for ten years, so yeah, we appreciate you showing it up.
It hasn't been that long, yeah, so must I do live for it.
Also with us, is I miss being live in the studio tour?
That was a different show, that's for sure, a different era. No,
this is this is how bad it's got we're having. We're reduced to
showing cats on our zoom screen. Can't you just move? Lonely Larry?
This is lonely Larry. Who's here, you know, to afflict us and
then leave early? As it turns out, like al celebrities. Dull?
Yeah, there he is. Yeah, he's a music officiano. Would you
say that? Double l I'm talking to you, not the cat. That's
pretty big work for you. But I'm a fan for sure. Yeah,
okay, all right, you wanted to keep it short, you got it.
Also with us is Rob Ferro, music journalist. Right, that's app
yep, okay, all right? Right up there with Lester Bangs, Leicester
Bangs, Yeah, I think I outlived them. You did you're here.
Wasn't a banjo playing? No? Lester Bangs was amazingly Uh portrayed in that
movie almost famous. That's a terrible movie. Terrible movie. Terrible. That's
a terrible movie. Terrible moment. Sorry, we don't have time. That's
another another show, another musical show. Come back to that, all right?
Getting me introduced the flower among the fawns. You were introducing run No,
he said, you did, all right? I thought there was more
pay attention. I didn't want to. I thought there was more to say.
That one speaks for me. There you go, ros I about a
mile long. He's interviewed everybody, he's been on radio work for Major League
Broadcasting. One one is this in the studio. Do you know what,
John Henry, can you tell the Red Sox see if they can get something
going this year? Yeah? Like going out of town, like move sell
the team? Uh in the studio with us very real life of parents is
the very love of GST. Name Lois Hi, everyone, it's good to
be here. Thanks for joining us tonight Live, and thank you for having
me in person. Okay, all right, And I was gonna I was
off there thinking of something. Oh, I know when you were who is
your favorite group growing up? This is we don't have to give dates or
years or anything like that, but my favorite group, you know, you
were in love with some pop group that was very h that used to wear
funny pants and every Bay City Rollers City Rollers Baby. Well, you know
for one song, you know what was it? What was the name of
the song? S A T you are d A y nighty night? I
was gonna say, what's that spell? Anyway, Okay, so listen,
let's skip overrom Alvisco Stello meeting three four and five. How about six seven
and eight? No, no, just go to Larry. Nobody cares about
that. Oh I disagree anyway, Larry cat and all. Okay, you
you have to go. Your limos waiting for you. You have a great
story, one of the greatest stories there about Todd run Green, great honest
and who else Pd Gabriel go ahead. Spectacular artists by the way, both
of them. Yeah, and so so I had. I was privileged to
see Todd Rudgren in concert. I guess it was around nineteen eighty and went
with my sister and some friends and my sister you met her, though you
insist you haven't got a Little Carried Away. And what I remember most about
that show was when she was yaking in the parking lot after the show.
But but it was a good concert. And a couple of years later,
I was sitting at the Civic Center in Poughkeepsie waiting for Peter Gabriel and I
looked ahead about three rows and sitting there is Todd Rundgren. Oh wow,
So I I didn't get his autographed. I didn't want to make a spectacle
of myself, but I thought, you know, there's no mistaking Todd Runggren.
You know, nobody, nobody looks like that, probably fortunately. But
but he was sitting there, just just a fan among the fans, and
I thought that was that was pretty cool to see a famous person in a
in a context like that. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah, he's
an interesting guy. When he was with oh what was it, what was
the name of it? He had a band and he didn't Yeah, he's
the first guy who played all the instruments on a hits. You know,
he laid everything on that. Although it's me that's a big song back then.
He's interesting and he and he does a lot of he produces and he
has produced a lot of other artists, uh, you know albums and if
you hear remember Grand Funk Railroad. Okay, I remember how like critics hated
them, hated them. Well, he produced an album for them, and
he and he produced that song bad Time to Be in Love, which is
a great time. Yeah, it's unbelievably really good song. And I think
American band and uh, but it was basically, uh, the Grand Funk
Todd Runggren with Grand Funk Railroad is the band, you know. And that's
interesting. And I was going to ask Rob, have you ever heard the
Es album called Fly from Here? I have not, Okay, So Fly
from Here is after they all broke up, and this is man, this
is gonna be twenty five years ago. Easy. Trevor Horn who was the
lead stinger of the Buggles and the producer of a number of Yes albums and
the keyboard player whose name escapes me right now, but they were the Buggles.
They brought Alan White and Steve Howe and Chris Squier, uh you know,
to the studio with that French Canadian guy ben Wa David as the singer
and they recorded this song called Fly from Here that they you know, came
up with when Lois saw them and the you know Buggles Dune yes years years
years before and it's this sweet and it's really good. And what it is
is it sounds like the Buggers. The Buggers themselves were really interesting being their
first album was excellent. Man, I listened to that over and over and
again. And but they but he Trevor, Trevor Horn uses them as his
own band, like it's kind of strange, but you know, and well
yeah, yeah, so yeah, fly from Here I I I. And
then Trevor Horn hated it so much he re recorded and re made go ahead.
Everybody knows this, I guess. But so you always have to note
that the Buggles were the first video ever played on him TV, which is
kind of interesting. Yeah, video killed the readers. I bet you when
it happened, they didn't think a thing of it. But now it's a
major milestone. Yeah it is. And that guy Trevor Hohen, who he's
an interesting guy and he he time of producing big hits. Man, he
produced everyone Seal Frankie goes to Hollywood and ABC. I mean he was in
with all those Rod Stewart you know, and he has his own kind of
sound to it. You know, really good, interesting, interesting, yea,
could we stay real quick on the Grand Funk Railroad thing. This is
story night. Yeah. I went to the Connecticut School of Broadcasting, but
to the branch that was in North Palm Beach, Florida. I did that
in the late nineties, and my instructor was somebody named Sonny Quinn who was
like a really high ranking DJ in the winnings out there in that market,
Palm Beach market. And she was married, uh to Don Brewer, drummer.
And so we would do night class and uh say, like we were
wrapping up around nine o'clock. Very often Don would just roll in and watch
the last fifteen minutes of class. Oh yeah, cool. And it was
really really cool. You know, they have that big right up the beach
hit the Big Way when they were the big Effro And you know how she
met him was was a frequent touring act with them, was Michael Bolton back
when he played rock music. Oh and she was his hairdresser. Oh wow,
well she needed a new job. So they're touring a Grand funking,
they say, and then away away we go. But I thought that was
interesting. He's a really, really cool dude. You know. The lead
singer his name was, was that Mike Farmer, Mark Farner. You know
his story, so I don't think so they be kind of part of his
story. He did. He spent her time with contemporary Christian music, right,
yes, ye. What he did was he he saved his money and
he just gets sick of the credits because the critics never liked those guys,
you know. And though they started still a lot of records, they were
on the radio and they you know a lot of people liked their album.
So he quit the biz and he was probably no. Maybe late twenties,
and he moved incognito to this farm up in you know, Idaho, some
freaking place right out in the middle of nowhere. This was his intent,
and this is blucky. He as lowest. And he used to watch this
girl walk back and forth the school every day, you know, and she
said when school well, let's say high school school. Yeah, let's say
high school. And he, you know, he falls for her and eventually
marries her. You know, she's still very young, and she convinces him
or somehow to get back out on the road. And she's the one who
kind of turned them onto the Christian music. So he was doing solo to
us where he would take Grand Funk songs and this is challenging itself acousta you
know, don't an acoustic guitar and add Christian lyrics to the original lyrics.
Yeah wow, I didn't know that. Yeah yeah, well you know,
I mean, you know, to be so sick of it, to be
so nuts that you you know, you don't wind up Ane Railroad sold out
Chase Stadium faster than the Beatles. I bet yeah, I forgot what your
nineteen seventy some odd and the biggest deal they made. They took out a
full page ad in the in the paper and said thanks for selling out Chas
Stadium faster than the Beatles. Now, I think they both sold out in
the day. I just need sure Grand Funk sold out quicker. Well,
you know that was my ex girlfriend to see Grand Funk Railroad when their first
album came out with a great song called Tea and you see on it.
And that's why y's direct what it is At Boston College Stadium right the stadium
up there, we have comaf and that's BC not be you at BC.
BC is all the way to the end of klim app Yeah, BC,
and it's with my ex girlfriend. She still talks about it to this day.
She's been married to my best friend for longer than I've been married.
How do you know she talks about it to this day? Do you talk
to her about it? Every time I go to a high school reunion,
she's there. She wants to sit beside me and talk about that years time
we had dating about a year and a half. Oh wow, my friend
says, why do we just take a turn here and over again? Listen?
No, hold on, hold on, we haven't next bread here.
This is good. I've heard this story before, so let me tell it
to you. Lois so one one used to go How long did you go
out with the X one? How many years with the Portuguese girl named Barbara
Weller Wizard? Okay, okay, okay, So that's what we're talking about,
correct me, about less than two years? Okay? And then you
introduced her to your best friend, right right? Okay, we're kind of
hitting it off and parted ways, okay, And you made the introduction maybe
at the pillow factory by the way, that's a pillow factory where he once
yeah, he once got injured so bad as the secretary and I got cut,
My finger got cut. She's the one. Yeah, didn't you ask
her out? And that cuts pillow ticking? And I passed out and right
there in the office with her a call. Wow, But he asked her
out beforehand. Then he passed And didn't you asked right as they put you
in the ambulance or something? Wasn't it. I didn't have to go to
the air. My father took me to Summrville Hospital. Okay, okay,
good for you. Wow wow. So anyway, so anyway, so I
said, look, no, no hard feelings, but I do want to
introduce you to my best friend who was next door to me in chumps for
it, okay, And how about we go to a Portuguese picnic together.
I'll bring my best friend and you know, go ahead, because we used
to do Portuguese picnics and maybe I went to a couple of them with her,
great fun and they met I kind of like just you know, I
drifted off by myself, just let them. Yes, shoot the ball.
It was just a weird meat doing this in the first place. Yes,
they got married a couple of years later, and they've got like four kids.
And know about ten grandkids. They send me a different Christmas card with
their extended family. Okay, and they've been married about two years more than
Ileen and be married. So so let me ask, let's get to the
kernel here. So you have seen here, how often do you see her?
I've only seen her on high school reunions. I haven't seen her.
I haven't seen her for a while. How mean how many years you've been
out of high school? One hundred? How many? How many reunions?
Yeah, class of sixty six, and I'd go to a reunion every five
years, oh, every five years. Oh, okay, okay, so
when I was in the Navy and I missed another one somewhere along the line
five years. Holy cow. The kids I went to high school with,
they're in Walpole stay prison for five five to ten. But listen when visiting
hours, right yeah, right, yes, yeah yeah yeah. Uh So
when she she when you see her and she makes a point to sit beside
you and talk to you about the good days when YouTube were dating, well
yeah, she she brings it up, you know, during the course of
the evening. Okay, well, and remember when we did this, you
know, Eddie, her husband is filling the left and I'm to her right.
Eleen didn't choose to go to these reuniss over there. I don't know
why. My friends said, yeah, but you couldn't get her to come
with me. Okay, so let me let me stop you right there,
because we had an expert, Yeah, an expert me a female? Really?
Yeah? What do you think of this and that dynamic? What do
you think of that dynamic there? I think that she's just reminiscing, right.
I don't think it means more than that, do you? I got
a kick out of it. We talk about the same. Yeah. I
think it's very odd. Yeah, but I mean, if it meant more
than that, she'd like, what, stay in touch with him over Facebook?
She does? Right, you're in touch with her all the time Facebook.
We'd say it once or twice. See it's not all the time.
And she's not asking like let's meet up? Right, you just have a
how do you know? You don't know that? Well, maybe he wants
to keep that secret? Okay, all right, Well, if he wants
keeps secret, he shouldn't talk about it on the show you asked there?
All right, nothing like that, Nothing like that is going on. Okay,
brother, she still looks really good. So here we go. She
still looks still looks good. I'm more in contact with her husband. Eddie
didn't really her. But that's weird itself. So that's another show. Well,
they were friends. He always keeps telling me, he owes me you
really Yeah huh he hasn't paid up yet. Wow? Yeah right he does
so, big guy. Well it's been a while. I think he needs
to do that. There's a punch line there, but I'm not going to
ruin the moment. Wow. Okay, that's a that's a real romantic story.
Then well then thank you. Let's get let's get back to the music.
Yes, everyone that it was connected too. Let's see. I had
an experience at a went to go see just Rotel. Uh this isn't you
know. I don't want to date myself. But when they first came out,
and not really when they first came out, but they were they were
a pretty big band. They're playing the Music Hall in Boston, which is
a really nice place. It was a really nice place to see a band.
So we go and we get nice seats are in the balcony and we're
really big hotel fans, and the guy comes out and he announces that who's
that guy t Rex? T Rex was supposed to open but t Rex can't
get out of the UK for some reason. Okay, so he says,
so we're gonna we have this band here. This is the first time they've
played an American it's Nott the Hoople Okay, somewhat the hoopel for those don't
know. It's like a David Bowie progeny band or something. He put them
together. Ian Hunter, you know, has this kind of voice like him.
Mick Ronson was in it, who you know, went on to play
with David Bowie and so on. And they was good. They were all
glammed up. They're all glambed up. They're in like, you know,
high heeled boots that are like a foot tall and stuff. And it was
crazy but really really good. So they play and and they're so good that
the crowd brings about for an encore and then boom boom four times. They
come out for an encore four times, you know, and now everyone's doing
there's kind of a goof right, so they leave and people rush the stage
and they're not going to leave until they come out and play again. Right,
So actually this happened in the third time. They come out the fourth
time and Ian Hunt says, we don't know any more songs. This is
it. We've played them all. So they played Hot Broke, Hotbreak,
Hotel, which it was crazy, it was insane. So anyway, they
won't leave. They won't leave the front of the stage. And at one
point they reach up and they pulled Ian Hunter's five feast ogen off the stage.
And now it's in the crowd, right, so we're going come on.
And in the middle of all this, Ian Anderson comes out on mike.
It's not saying you know, when people you don't get the fact.
You see, we're not going to play one note until you know this,
and no one's listening to them. Finally the cops come, they get the
organ back, they restore order, and Won goes back in the seats.
It takes an hour easily. You know, we're there, we're storing.
We just want to let's hear the music, right, So Jeto Tell comes
out. They don't say a word, and they play Akalon. You guys
know this story because I wrote it to. They play achalone from beginning to
end, without stopping, note perfect, just like the album. It was
amazing, and the Indian says, after Zori goes and now for our second
number, it was great, love that they were great. They were thick
as the brick. Yeah, and then yeah, I think, yeah,
yeah, right, exactly yeah, and then Passion play right but once again
great musicians. I have it, but I didn't like it, No,
I didn't. I started live It's terrible because the Brick was also boring.
But achalong, What an album? What an album? Amazing? Yeah,
I was, Yeah, but I think that first two are pretty good.
Stand Up and benefit oh yeah, yeah yeah. Our wedding song or not
that I'm saying, lowis and I am married about our wedding song. I
know someone's wedding song that is from Stand Up right down Lowis. You know
them too, yep, all right. A couple of ballads on that album.
I can picture the one that might have been a good wedding summer Reasons
for Waiting is a song. Yeeah yeah, yeah, really nice song.
Well it it was Apropos Apropos, right, And I had a practice like
nine well, I don't want to say, we're gonna say a year dancing,
you know, trying to get some kind of dancing thing now and it
still didn't work. Yes, it did. It was beautiful almost. Don't
tarnish them anyway. It was a Grammy Award winning It wasn't nice. It
wasn't nice one you would dip in me, but the crowd loved it.
So anyway. So and the other story that I wrote to you guys today
and get them out of the way, is that a short one is that
I was once backstage at a Yes concert, And that's a whole other story
itself. But Alan White, who played for Yes and now departed, used
to play for the Plastic Omo band and he's on a lot of John Lennon
albums. John Lennon just like the way he played drums, so uh.
And then he went on to be the drummer for Yes, which is a
very very huge leap, you know, George Harrison, and he was a
session guy, but he learned to be like an arena a drummer, you
know what I mean, someone to play to big, big houses, you
know, and and that means like power, you know. So anyway,
so I see him at backstage and was kind of one around. I see
him well, introduced myself at the time as Patrick morass Pia guy. So
I had a way. I had a way to say something to these guys,
right, and they always going yeah tell Patrick. We said hi,
Yeah, okay, And I said, listen, I know you play with
John Lennon. Could you describe John Lennon in one word? And he said,
will you give me two words? And I said yeah. He said,
my hero. That's a moment, you know what I mean, that's
that's and that was it, you know, but yeah, what a nice
thing to say. And you know, he was the guy who was there.
You know what I mean, which is that plastic on a band was
a good combination of musicians. Yes, to bid, they couldn't play It's
a clouds for woman. They yeah, they could play, but you know
they played rock and roll stuff. Yeah, but they practiced on the way
over from England to Toronto to play at the You know, I have that
Toronto Live Really nineteen sixty nine. Do you have Yoko Screaming Live Peace nineteen
sixty nine with side to being all Yoko? Yeah? Huh, not good?
Not good? You didn't like that? Didn't like that? Yeah?
Okay. The thing about her is, and you know, I guess there's
not many things that you can say good about her other than that she's the
one who grew his fortune in a big, big way after the Beatles broke
up. She's from this financial company in Japan, and we're reading about them
right now. Family a family? Where a company? When? Yeah?
Right? When when she brought him home in nineteen sixty six maybe sixty seven
to meet her a family, to meet her mother and father, they didn't
know who the Beatles were. Okay, that's how upper strata these people are
saying, you know, who's this freaking musician bum? Well, you know,
he's the most famous group in the world. We don't care. I
mean, but when they get married and stuff, and he was the house
husband, she took you know what was like fifty million dollars you know he
had, and turned it into four hundred million dollars. And she did it
by buying dairy fire an upstate in the ark if you can believe it.
So yeah, yeah, so she did that and well also by possibly keeping
him alive that helped. Yeah, yeah, you know, with their behavior
and towards him. I mean she broke up with them, yep, set
him up. Talking about setting up with your yeah right, Well, one
one, did Yoko gives John Lennon a girlfriend, May Pang and then go
out and live in Los Angeles for a year. May's around. She's a
really sweet person. Yeah. I've seen her at two different events for two
different things, and yeah, you know, it's like, you can't it's
weird, like say she wrote songs with him or something, or say she
was a famous athlete or something. You could actually say, I'm going to
go in. I'm going to ask her about that thing. She's probably been
asked about a million times. But when you're somebody's girlfriend, what do you?
How do you? How do you start? So I don't? Okay,
good, Yeah, that's how you start, don't. Yeah? Yeah,
huh was that situation going on during the last weekend with that? Yeah,
that is the last weekend she was in the she was part of the
last weekend or whatever last Yeah. Wow, Wow, the last weekend of
something like two years or so or something. Nielsen, right, yes,
er Nielson. I think I told you, Rob I was. I was
listening to that Nielsen Schmielsen album and I'm going, wow, every every song
and this is great. That's right. I met the comment on that great
musicianship on it. I used to own it, and then I haven't heard
it in forever. So I think I'll write another note to myself right now,
walking to the fire soon, walking to the fire. Boom boom boom
boom boom boom boom boom boom boom. Great songwriter, excellent, seriously,
and it got a great sound too. The record sound great. You know.
Yeah, I'm in the coconut. I listened that all day long.
I'm good at do you. I'm gonna throw a name out to your rob
running Yeah, yeah, sixty three sixty three, Okay, thank you,
loos Uh Meryll Fankhauser, Merrill Fankhauser, Merrill fank He gets what times Merrill
Fankhauser. No, no, so he is he's he What is that,
Meryl? No No, I was said, But he's going. Once you
tell him like the the riff, he'll know him. Okay. He wrote,
that's a lot of pressure. If I know it, you'll know it.
He wrote, wipe out. He wrote, wipe out. There you
go right and right. And then he went on to have this career which
was I'd never heard of him either. And then when I was working for
from Voice Print Records and That's how I met Patrick Mraz. He was also
one of the honest And it turns out that he said he and Dick Dale
and a few of these guys really started surf music, moved to Hawaii,
you know, new Jimmy Hendrix, smoke Dope with John Lennon and so on
and so for. But what he used to do is before Harry Nielsen get
famous, they worked in the la version of the Brill Building and they're in
the same office and they would write two songs, have Lunch to more when
come back, you know, and then Harry Nilssen, you know, made
it big. I mean really amazing. It's like it's like the Motown situation
and so wonderful if anybody gets to Detroit. I mean that Motown Museum is
my favorite museum anywhere. And they literally used to just make these amazing hits
that we all know. Yes, in the garage, it was open twenty
four hours a day, and they said sometimes like Stevie Wonder would go in
at four in the morning with his handler or whatever because he he wanted to
just play, and Smokey Robinson would be there and smoke You would say,
Hey, can you just hit this cow Bell and he would and Stevie wonders
on like dozens of songs that nobody knows about. Yeah, yeah, yes,
there's a good movie I'll called. It just blows my mind that they
could just rattle off. But you know why, Installer or some of these
other people, you know why because they didn't think about it. They didn't
think about it. I mean they were thinking hits and everything of the gun
to produce them. Yeah, all the time. And literally Barry Gordy was
saying, I want some stuff here. I'm gonna I'm gonna lock your Yeah,
and Andrew, I'm going to lock you in the bathroom. To come
up with. The great bass player from uh Motime Records for most of them
is this guy named James jameson Okay, and and he had his demons,
I say, but he is in all of those huge, huge hits.
And he used to come in from lunch after lunch and he'd have to he
played all those songs laying down, laying down on the floor, and he
used to play with his thumb, which is kind of just you know,
nothing else. And he would say, I can hear like a rhythm or
a bass pot and someone walking down the hallway, you know, and just
the way a secretary a high heel walks, and he gave in this interview
and he and he went boom boom boom boom boom boom boom. That's what
he heard. And now it's in like maybe the greatest song ever, you
know. And there's a movie called Standing in the What is it? Yeah,
yeah, great movie. G whiz, really good movie. Unbelievably talented
people went into that place. Ohh and they're still around a lot of them,
you know how their music is anyway, it was like an assembly line.
The other thing is that all those people are from such a small condensed
area around the actual building itself. Diana Ross and Smoky Robinson went to school
together, like two blocks down the roads, walk up the road. Can
you imagine that if you see a map of the stars, it's not where
they live, it's where they were born, where they grew up. Yeah,
yeah, sure. It's almost like a miracle. It's almost like God
did this, he said, let there be music and these pockets of unbelievable
cre activity. Yes, musically and lyrically so with the right artist, amazing
portray it, and most of it pre civil rights too, So it's like
they were really like it was us against them, even though they were doing
it for everybody. It was a spirit right love, But it was also
like, this is going to be our thing, right, That's how we
get out of here, you know. That was going to be a fighter,
you know. And I'll tell you another story, not to get too
political, but in the nineteen eighties, okay, and Lois has heard this
story before, when Ronnie Reagan was the president. Nancy Ragan convinced him of
two things. One of them was to close all the federal mental institutions and
just let the people out, and it proved to be not a really good
idea. And also to withdraw a lot of arts money from inner city schools
and especially in New York City or whatever. Right, So, all of
a sudden, these kids, a tremendous amount of talent has come out of
holem let's put it that way, okay, and in kind of instrumentalists and
singers and songwriters and so on. So in a weird way, they're trying
to stop that, whether they knew it or not. So what happened was
so these kids now don't have access to saxophones, and drums and stuff that
costs money. All they have left turntables, okay, and they turn that
into hip hop music. Okay, whether you like it, I hate it.
That's how it started. And that's really using your brain. That's using
what little you have and suddenly boom it's huge, right, so good or
bad? And that's how it started. Ingenuity, Yeah, ingenuity, you
ain't kidding. Yeah, it's like the McGuire approach to it in a way,
you know. So wow, wiim Lois. Do you have any other
storytime at the super Bowl? Yeah? Right, yeah, yeah, Lowis.
There's another venue that I always found interesting is the super Bowl and what
the target audience is for the music, no idea. It's it's crazy now
because it used to be you knew what the target audience was only supposed to
be the people who could afford to go to the super Bowl. It would
be the target, right Macttney plays there, Prince Yeah, yeap to what?
But yeah, it did change. It did change though. It changed
when they stopped paying the people to pay to play there. And I think
Coldplay was the first ones who did it for nothing and it's just about ruined
their career. And then since then, and then then the thing with the
Janet Jackson thing was weird too, and you know, that had to be
staged, and then it had to be staged. And almost like you're right
about the money though, that's ever since they went to not paying them.
It has to be somebody that's on tour. So right away you're not picking
from the world's talent. You're picking from this town. Whoever's going to be
on the road in the next available yeah, yeah, availability, right,
And so that really decreases the candidates yeah yeah, yeah, And but once
but one brings out a good point. Who are they aiming for? First
of all, every halftime show that you see what happens does everyone you know,
you're in your seats, you're doing whatever, And then they bring these
people in that basically what they're gonna do is they're gonna jump around in front
of the stage to look like an enthusiastics jumping around the audience. Right,
Well, those people a brought and then they produces nephews and all that stuff,
right, and the lighting guys nieces, and they bring them in.
They're waiting in the pocket. They bring them in and they jump around like
idiots for the show and then they go right back out again. It is
not you're gonna let two thousand people see the Super Bowl, especially the second
half right and they're gone. That's how fake this thing is. And I
didn't watch it this year, but she wiz, you know, I mean,
just have a band caught and play, you know, just you know
they play stadiums all the time. Just do it, you know, But
it has to be this people jumping around and who likes this? Lowis likes
them? Lowis? Did you like I was asleep? I'm not sure it's
my type of music, but I can appreciate. I just look at it
and think, how do you get everybody to be choreographed? So I mean
that confidence of it, like you Lois? Yeah, And how do they
do it? How much time do they need to practice all that? Right?
And and just the way they bring everything out, set everything up and
then take it away and then the game goes on. Amazing. That's quite
amazing. But you know, I would kill to be the stage crew for
something like that. They they made value you then not tell you. But
well, it's the second most complained about. No, it's the first most
complained about the thing that happens on television anally. The second most is the
in Memoriams on the Oscars. Who wasn't the point? It's kind of It's
just it's a it's a ritual, like we're gonna watch this thing and then
we're gonna be really pissed off and we're gonna be Yeah, I never thought
about that. That's yeah, I can see that would upset people. Yeah,
sure, but you can't include everybody because it would be that would be
the show. In both cases, they should probably drop it. Right.
It's a downer, I mean, I get it down. You can't include
everybody and just see a quick snapshot of And the music is always so sappy.
You know. It's the music from Platoon, you know what I mean.
It's called the Bob's theme, and it's all it's just anyway, listen,
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Films one one is here. Hello, everybody, welcome back to the show.
It's been fun so far fun. This will do the show all night
long, could we it's a good topic. We can make it a telethon
a telephone like Jerry Lewis. This is Rob for rout. Was that voice
you hear musical journalist, Rob, thanks for joining us tonight. Very happy
to be here, mac Hi, everybody bringing your insight. Also in the
studio with us tonight, working feverishly on something. Just keeping the time.
Keeping the time, well, that takes some time. On the show,
the very lovely Lois laying hello, Hi everybody. It's nice to be here.
A lot of good stories tonight. Rob is indicating we should clap for
you, and therefore we will thank you time. But I'll take it,
so listen, just catch the listeners up, please, Lois. So the
last time you saw Elvis Costello, this would be the eighth time. What
happened? Well, you're a super fan, Oh well I did. I
didn't go many times. I think there was six. I didn't the last
time you it was you and Mike. You absolutely won't we I didn't give
them flowers. No, I didn't get backstage. We didn't. Then I
was just like, okay, enough already. But the last time I got
backstage, backstage ebbra flowers again. And I don't know how these things happened,
but somebody saw me and said, oh, are those for Elvis?
And I said yep, And they said, you know, they took me
backstage and pushed me into an elevator where he was and yeah, and so
Prince died. I just to hand them to him and he said, oh,
they're scented, and I said, well, they're real. You know,
I didn't another drug irishman. That was our big conversation. That was
he said thank you, and then well, because then he got out.
He was taking the elevator to go change and you know, and then have
whatever they do backstage. But you know it's too shy. I didn't want
to, like, you know, the name of this, uh, her
book is going to be the Unintentional Groupie. Let's just look at it through
through another set of eyes, know, Elvis says his boys trolling the audience
afterwards, you look lonely, unintentional groupie. My life with Elsa. Do
you want to get into the Elton John thing now that you've no, I
don't. She wants proposed to Elton John. Oh my gosh, that's cool
backing up the wrong. Is he your fantasy love? Elton John? Well?
I I was in love with him. I loved his music, you
know, I was in like high school or something, and I wrote him
the love note and I said I'm going to write back in six months.
If you still feel like this, I'll send it to you. So I
literally waited six months and said I'm back. Wow, and I did.
I don't. I didn't ever mail it though, I don't didn't mail it,
okay? Yeah? Is it still around? You know? It might
be in a box of memory somewhere. Wow, that's what I'm doing tomorrow.
Wait a minute, a love letter to somebody else is in your box
of memories? How about that? Huh? Any pictures and girlfriend going to
scavenger? No, but I didn't. It wasn't a person, you know,
it was in a dream. It wasn't a real Did you include a
photo? No? You sure? All right? That'd be worth looking for.
Can you see this kiss there? You go? Yeah? Yeah?
Yeah? Actually hate the background thing. I should show up? Oh that's
what this? Nineteen ninety six, yeah, ninety six, ninety seven yea.
So when the remember pulling the stage apart set? The setup was pretty
sick. It wasn't fancy. Remember pulling the stage apart of the actual floor
of the stage. There was all this red stuff on it, like make
believe blood blood. Yeah, but everybody's freaking out, like Oh my god,
don't touch it. You got wear gloves at it. Yes, it's
fair what it is someone who cares stock blood I do, at least I
don't think so. You didn't never know, not those guys. So we
talked about off stage. We're talking about the Moody Blues real quick, Moody
Blues, the Moody Blues, real quick. And you know, it's one
of these bands. And I don't have I have no respect for the Hall
of Fame, the Rock Rol Hall of Fame, because when you look at
the people who are in there, and then you look at the people who
not in there, Like you were talking about Florigner. You know, Floria
was you know, whether you like him or not. They were a big
band and and yeah, they're better than they deserve to be in there,
more than Whitney Houston. Let's say, okay, not that she wasn't a
great et cetera, et cetera. I think the Bay City Roll has been
the Rock Roll a lot of fame, aren't they. Lewis, then you
vote for him, but but you know what I mean, And the Moody
Blues for a long time, they would not let him in. Now this
is when u Yan Wenner he spells his name y a w n Okay,
before he made an asshole of himself, he was head of this committee and
they were just him and his buddies in New York voting in the people.
They want the People magazine guy. Yeah yes, yes, yes, yeah
yeah. And it was just trying to be so hip that they would nominate
these people you never knew, you barely heard of them in Foreigner. Peter
Frampton, who had the largest selling live album ever, is not in the
rock one. And it's a great top player, you know, I mean,
I don't know. So the Moody Blues for a long time were not
It did not get in. They finally didn't get in, and they changed
the way music. I mean they were they were. They were basically the
Beatles up on a different level of vocal homies and stuff like that. But
they introduced the mellotron into rock. And basically what that is it's a big
tape recorder and each key that you mentioned an organ, Each key on the
organ is a tape loop, and that tape loop is recorded a violin or
a flute or whatever, and if you play them, it's going to sound
like an Augustra for seven seconds seven seconds, So if you listen to Moody
Blue songs, you can hear it go the seven seconds. Then they have
then you have to change it, right. But the way they used it,
they weren't crazy about it. They just used it for texture and stuff
like that. And then they were presynthesizers is what happened. Then the synthesizer
comes in, then you can do everything. Now it's really nuts, you
know. And they these days you don't have to buy a me eleotron,
and they're hard to keep up because you have to keep those seventy six tape
loops going all the time. I saw them play in nineteen seven was pretty
good. They were good. Yeah, in the Beatles, the Beatles used
them. The Beatles were the first to use it in the record Believe it
or Not on Abbey Road. And just an interesting way introducing that into rock
music. And then synthesizers basically kind of take over, you know in a
way. So yeah, the movie Drum Lodge is ill. He was doing
some kind of a tour and he can't do it justin Heywood still tours by
himself and with like a little band. Ray Thomas their flute player. He
died a little while ago. Gam Age their drummer died a little and there
were all old guys. I mean they you know, Mike Pinder was their
original keybod play. He's still around, but yeah, very innovative and should
have been in the so called rock and Hall of Fame before the Beastie Boys,
right at least. Well, you know what happened there is the first
thought was, Hey, we're gonna build this museum in Cleveland. Why Cleveland,
I don't know, I understand the history, but like that's just a
bad move. Yes, and we're gonna build this in Cleveland. And so
what we're gonna do is we're gonna front load the hall by putting in like
awesome artists right up front to who the rolling Stones, the Beatles, you
know, the doors. They're all going in and people will want to go
to the museum, paying admission and see this. But then what happened is
it became less of a museum thing for for money and more of a television
show. They make all their money for the actual induction. That's where they
sell all the television. So there's less impetus to put foreigner. Because even
though foreigner's popular amongst our friends. They're not popular at all. In the
larger scheme of things, jay Z is popular. Oh I see, okay,
I see what you mean. Jay Z goes in, they sell the
advertising, they make all the money, and Pearner remains out. Sucks.
Why it's such a bad policy. Why can't jay Z be just the inductee
and inductory right right, that's a great idea. Why not have him like
Coast the whole night you can? Yeah, yeah, yeah, him be
jay Z for a while and just induct these people that you know how I'm
done. There always money, always money, always money, right, sucks,
It's money in marketing, That's what it is, all right. So
we're gonna wrap up good night by one more story. And I have a
story to tell about someone who is in the music business only because he was
featured on one of the biggest soundtracks ever. And you know that I'm talking
about my very good friend John Travolta Lowis you know, yes, so years
ago we should tell this story. Yeah, years ago, years ago.
I saw her in the paper. And I've told this story before. One
one if he falls asleep in a way saw in the paper. There they're
looking for extras for a movie scene at Fenway Park. Okay, now this
is in October of who knows when, and come down to Avalon nightclub next
to Fenway Park. But quote try out so to sign up. So it
took me. It was four days. It took me three days to convince
Lowess took it down because I'm convinced they can look at her and convert the
Hollywood. Right. So we go into the place and it's, uh,
it's it's basically all long lines, right, thank you, one one yeah,
right, and and and it's just basically waving lines and filling stuff out
and all this stuff. And there's literally thousands of people there. So in
the middle of all this, this guy walks up to me and he gives
me a little orange tag like you would get a cupe on at a uh,
like a movie stuff like a movie, old fashioned little tickets. Yeah,
comes out of the blue. It gives it to me, says,
hold on to this, we're going to make an announcement later. Then he
disappears into these hundreds of people. Right. So then the day goes on.
I thought I won that door prize, and we go into this big
room and the way I remember it. Lois is rolling her eyes already the
way I remember it. They said, okay, everyone here can be in
the movie, but you have to be a friendly pocket, like five in
the morning, dressed like it's summer, and be prepared to stay there until
the sun goes down and you get a box lunch in forty bucks. Right,
And like two thirds of the people just get up and walked out,
just like that, right. So the people who stayed, they said,
okay, come this way. And the only people who stay behind the people
of the orange tickets. No, no, no, go ahead. They
took They said to orange ticket holders, come with us, okay, because
and come It was myself in Two Black Women, right, if I remember,
I don't remember who went with you. I just remember that, okay,
Rashida and Mashida. Yes, So anyway, so probably cut that out.
So anyway, they said to me, do you want to be in
the movie? Do you want to be in the movie? So I said,
uh, yeah, sure, you know, and I'm writing a book
on deadline, as it turns out, and I had just come back from
Hollywood for a whole different thing. So I said okay. So they said,
okay, get your picture taken once again, we'll send it the hog.
But someone will call you in two weeks if they're interested. Two weeks
goes by. Now it's the end of October and they say, do you
want to be in this movie? They call you. Yeah, so they
call me and they say, be at the Woolburne State Mental Facility tomorrow with
five in the morning, in dressing clothes that you don't want to see again,
right yes, right away. I know. It wasn't John Travolt's best
friend in the movie. So basically what it was. I played a It's
called The Civil Action. It's about hazardous waste dumps and stuff like that.
John Travolt is a crusading lawyer just happened to live in New He put the
character for a while, and I was a hazard waste factory worker in a
truck. Okay, jeez, which was cool. It was cool because it
was very cold. It took four days to on the scene and we got
to sit in this truck with the heat on and the radio and stuff.
I was with this guy he used to be in Boston commercials, very Bob
Dug and it was a cool experience. Plus we get in one hundred bucks
a day, plus we're playing poker, plus we're getting fed by the craft
services people. And the food was like five star outstanding. The food was
unbelievable. The only thing he had to do is a guy came and announce.
He says, all the union members have to be served first, and
then you can go eat your food. And we're going, yeah, we
don't care. Right. So anyway, in the midst of all this,
John Chivolta comes over to meet us. You know, they gathered us together
at the beginning of the day, and you just going, he's a regular
guy. I've said it before. I always thought it was a show of
his asshole. You know, why not, right, not a very regular
guy. Very I mean, obviously a star. He made sure he met
every person, shook everybody's here and just talked to us. And then but
we would see him walking around like the next day. You know, he
said people with him, but people brought in all people brought it. After
that, people brought in everything for me to sign records, and he just
did it. He just did it. He was a good guy. He
left me with the oppression of being a good Yeah. Civil actions. So
anyway, if you see the movie. I'm in it for one point two
seconds. Actually kind of measured it like a truck just goes bye. I'm
in that truck. Are you driving the truck right now? I'm in the
past. I'm riding shotgun. Yeah, and I got a clipboard in my
hand. Yes, yep, yeah, he got a hand a clipboard.
Okay, yeah, you're just you on you're actually on camera. Well,
the scene was I was standing beside the truck, and I'm telling you,
we did this forty five times. I'm standing beside the truck. The guy
is inside the truck. I got a clipboard and I just pretend to write,
and then I climb up into the truck, close the door, and
the truck kind of goes out. Right. All they left in was the
truck like going out. It's not me, don't want anything, just the
truck just goes by. The camera literally goes by the camera. The funniest
thing about it, there's a lot of funny shit that happened though there,
Like they painted the leaves green. They had people with spray guns paint the
leaves green and stuff like that. And they had the dog from the Little
Rascals Redo, which had just come out. Okay. They actually did the
Little Rascals again at some point, and they had the dog with the with
the with the black eye and stuff, and he was supposed to be a
god dog bocking at John Travolta coming out of the woods. We're staying there
watching this whole thing, and the dog won't box. The dogs like three
people, yeah, and they're doing anything. They're trying to give him treats
and she had at one point they're pulling his tail and he just won't box,
and so they had to, like, you know, leave the set,
leave the set, and you know, in disgrace. It was really
bad, but an interesting experience. Okay. And as I was leaving,
the guy, this guy Paul started it all, gave me the orange ticket.
You're walking out there and you have this like little legs of thing,
and he said, do you want to keep doing this? Would you be
interested? He called, and they said yeah, for what? And he
says, he just naturally how he goes prisons and barbrooms. Yep, what
you said, by prisons and barber rooms. Seeing the look you that's the
look when when they put me in when I first got there that day,
they put me in this cafeteria and it looked, like I've said before,
like the cast of uh, you know, Mad Max or something. I
mean, there's all these screwy looking guys. And so they finally tell us
what we're going to do, and they line us up outside the wardrobe trailer
and uh, you know, I hate to say it, but just from
Central Casting, these two guys come out. They're obviously a gay couple,
and they're going down the line you're good, you're good, y'are getting They
good to me, and they go total makeover, total makeover, and they
bring me into the trailer and they take off the clothes that I thought were
crappy, and they give me this vest that has tire all over it and
stuff like that, and they make me sign a report saying if you don't
bring this back, we're gonna charge you for and there's like eight hundred bucks
or something, you know, just so they'll get there the wardrobe back.
But yeah, yeah, all that from one point two seconds and I get
home and my answer machine is going crazy because my head is going you know,
is the book you know what I'm going, Well, I'm making a
movie. I'm saying the movies. Now, screw the book. I'm in
the movies now, right exactly. Let me have my let me have my
people talk to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if the phone doesn't
mean it's me at one one, your one last story, me a story.
How much time I have as long as you want that and you can
keep another two minutes. Okay, Well, I'm not going to tell my
steel real story to our story, so I guess I'm gonna tell my uh
my story about getting getting offered a job to be in the hot cheap Oh,
let's let's play the sad music. Go ahead, Okay, play the
sad music, my sing. I'm a member of i A t s C.
Lines of Theatrical Stage Employees, the union that does movies like you ran
into and stage, screen and television all right, and rock and roll.
So I'm doing my thing. I'm working, I'm sitting. I'm checking out
some farre light robotic lighting equipment and things like that. So a guy comes
over to me and taps on the shoulder, says, hey, I've worked
with it before. He may not remember me, but I did the show
something X y Z show, whatever it was, and I worked with it
before, and I need somebody to replace me. On the tour with Heart
and Cheap Trick because my wife's having a baby and we want to get off
the tour. She's she really needs some home time and we're going off to
the States for another week or so and then the Scandinavian countries in Europe.
So can you replace me? You obviously are talented and working on lights and
and everything else. I've watched your work and you bring your own tools and
the whole deal. So I said, let me think about that. And
it's about time for a lunch break, so I run over to the payphone,
drop a quarter in there, and I call Eileen. I say,
Eileen, you wouldn't believe what just happened. We're ready for sound check here
for Heart and Cheap Trick. And the guy from their regular road crew for
Heart comes up to me and says he wants me to replace him. I
don't have no idea how much money they'll be offering me, But what do
you think I'd be on the road for about six seven weeks? I could.
I was working for Digital Equipment Corporation, Eileen, I'm working for Deck.
They allow employees to have sabbaticals for whatever reason. Become a priest or
become a rock and full roady and come back and they hold onto your job.
You get your job back, yes, yes, yes, yes paid
while it's a baticle, but you get you get your job back. It's
part of their their benefits package. That's right. They're out of business now.
But go ahead. I mean, it just tells me just to keep
my day job and don't be a jerk. You know, I said,
I really appreciate the issue too much, but it was really out there.
I had all these visions of grandeur. Yes, Hot and Cheap Trick.
This was the second time I've worked with the Heart and Cheap Trick tour often.
So how did you meet the blonde? How did you meet Nancy?
Uh? I didn't meet her personally, but that's that same day, that
same show, we had some touch up work to do, you know,
just check the check to see if the the house sound guys and the and
the the band sound guys had all everything working and anything else because they were
getting ready for a sound check, and I went to make sure we didn't
leave any gear on the floor or any place. I'm walking around, I'm
looking around. I'm the only one in the in the auditorium, and then
I decided to sit down and just say, you know, I'm tired.
You know, I'm just sitting down, and the band comes out and I'm
saying, oh, ship, I guess I guess I have to go.
And it wasn't Nancy Iran, it was I think it might have been Mark
Andy is the bass place? Place you don't have to go anywhere. I
could sit like I'm like a kid, I can sit here. And I
think I just said I could sit here. Okay, you know, in
case you need anything, just let me do ye yeah, yeah, huh.
So Now if I wasn't allowed to do that, the band would make
make it so that you're not allowed to be here, or my shop Steward
would come out and say, well, what hell you do it? Get
back that none of those things happen. The band lets you do something.
It's okay to do it, so long as though you're getting paid to do
it. You know, right now, I'm still on the clock, so
I'm just sitting there. They do They decided to do a a sound check
acoustic uh tunes. They did a lot of their hits. They did about
maybe seven or eight songs acoustically. Yeah, yeah, sure, and I'm
in the audience. I mean there's nobody else around looking around for anybody.
That's the sound guy. Their house sound guy was making some adjustments, but
you know, you're making adjustments with an empty house, and then you got
to do it again the full house. With the full house, you know,
well, at least they get things in the right. So I'm sitting
there watching an acoustic set their asses off and Nancy's doing the leg kicks and
everything. Really yeah, just for you, just for you. I was
just like sweat. I was sweating just by watching it. If I had
had a cuff on a blood pressure probably would have split open if I had
that thing in my finger. The message yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah
yeah right yeah, that really gets the chicks man. When one of those
wedding so so, at what point did nanty flashes are like wedding watching this
band play all my favorite songs Lewis talked about. Lewis has just left the
bills working on the hits. That's what they did. I want to ask
you, at what point did Nancy throw over panthees at you? Rob?
Do you have one more story? One more? Yes, I'll give you
a real quick one. So two thousand and two, David Lee Roth and
Sammy Hag are famously toured together. Sure. Yeah, they hated each other,
and I wanted they truly hated each other. It wasn't just promotion,
and we were afraid it wasn't going to make it down to us in New
Jersey, so we wanted to see it quickly so we can say we saw
this thing. So we drove up to Ohio, to the Blossom Center in
Ohio and to see the first show. Oh wow, yes, they drew
sticks and Roth opened the first show and Hagar closed the first show. And
we're watching it and we're getting pretty hammered. Man, we're having like an
old school hard rock yes, good night out. Yes, yes, yes,
Roth was you know, fantastic because Roth thought it was nineteen seventy six
and he took it very seriously even though he was fifty. Hagar is more
comfortable in himself. Hegar's wearing a he's got a beer belly and a loose
T shirt and he's acting like he's Jimmy Buffett. So two totally diverse approaches
to this thing. Yes, yes, So soon as they ended, Hagar
ended, my friend and I are like, dude, let's just walk backstage.
No, boy, look at this place. This place is a joke.
There's no security. This is after nine to eleven as well. And
then they said, oh yeah. So I said, just no, matter
what you do, just follow my lead and act like we're here's supposed to
be here. Now. My friend is my friend of forty years. I
love him. He's not too bright, and he didn't have a lot of
interest in what was going on that night. He just wanted to hang out
and drink and take the trip to Ohio. Yes, yes, yes,
So he said, just come with me and just behave man, and we'll
get where we're going. So he follows me and we walked down and this
kid is a security guard, and we wait till he's distracted. We walk
right around the side. We walked through the back, and all of a
sudden, we are suddenly backstage and in about thirty yards away, I can
see David Lee Roth and he opened so his show. Like I thought he'd
be gone. Nope, he's hanging up, hanging around. And then I'm
looking to the right. I'm a little nervous because I want to anchor myself
somewhere and not get kicked out. And I see David Lee Roth's bass player,
and he was in a band called White Lion that sold like fifteen million
albums. Yep, yeah, yeah, so I knew that. And I
saddled up next to him and started talking about White Lion and my friends is
hanging out and everything's cool, and I'm eyeing David Lee Roth. He's thirty
yards right there, but he's got four or five huge security guards around him,
all of them black, all of them look like they play in the
NFL. All of them looked very angry. Now you got to understand,
davidly Roth hasn't toured in an arena at this point for almost fifteen years.
He's wearing a hair piece. He you know, he doesn't he doesn't have
the commercial clout he has. He hasn't been on the radio with a new
single in like fifteen years. The radio is a DJ for a while.
Yeah, job kill them. He replaced the Howard Stern and then you got
he got bounced in about two months. And the thing is is that like
he you know, he to have five of these gigantic, angry bodyguards.
Ridiculous. Nobody wants to get to him. But me, and I just
want to say hey. So I keep looking and I keep looking, and
I'm in this discussion, but James Dealer of White Lion, and I can't
find my friend. He's wandered off somewhere. I should have put the leash
on him. And then all of a sudden, I'm looking around and now
I look and he's being escorted by two gigantic black body guys and he's bringing
him and he's like, they won't even let me use the fucking bathroom.
And he went to use the porta potty, but he used the one right
next to Dave's bus, and they thought he was trying to do some nefarious
nonsense camp the World leader David Lee Roth, and they bounced them and uh,
and that was the end of that. As we were on our way
out, the bass player looked at me. I don't know what his relationship
is with Roth. Hopefully he's not a regular listener to your show, he
said, he said, he said, the whole thing so ridiculous. Y
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was. He knows. It's
a paycheck. What's it? The same band? Were they backed by the
same band, and they have two different bands, two different bands. And
that was the thing is Sammy brought his friends from Cobbo Yeah yeah, oh
cool, yes, sing, And davidly Roth went out and got the premier
van Halen tribute band and went out there. He got eight pack abs,
he worked out, he put the blunde wig on. Yeah yeah, did
his kicks and he was going for it. Yeah huh yeah yeah, but
he didn't realize that that isn't what you go for. You go for I
don't really like Sammy hag On that much, but he knew how to do
it, you know what I mean. He was more relaxed. He just
knew how to do it. It's more comfortable in himself. And the other
thing people can never underestimate that we just talked about is money. We look
at it as quality of the arc and everything, sure, but for them,
for them, it's money. Yeah. And so when davidly Roth,
no, I mean Sammy Hagar at that point was worth ten times more than
a Roth Roth hadn't been out with Van Halen in twenty five years. Hagar
sold his vodka company for sixty seventy million dollars. Yeah. Yes, And
that's where the animosity comes from, because that's how they measure it to have
more money than you. Yeah. Wow, that's cool. Listen, let's
take this opportunity to clap a rug. Yeah, thank you, Rob.
That's a great adding to the show. We Really Freer with David Lee Roth.
I love that guy. I thought he was was the first Van Hale
and stuff that he did, I mean, they were great. They were
the perfect combination those four guys. You know, talk about your rough foundations
one more time on your websites. Sure, so you could read some of
my interviews. There's plenty there at of Personal Interest dot com. And you
can also see me at the Giving Arts dot com, which is where I
promote celebrity charity and celebrity charity functions. Wow, that's cool. Thank you,
Rob. Join us again real soon. Okay, thank you. I
love being with you guys. Great to see you. A lot of good
interview content. You ain't kid. Wow you talking about up close and personal.
It's like it looks but he looks like Siyu. That looked like us.
If someone like Kim walks up to a musician and someone like us walks
up, who's he going to try to buy the cocaine off of the lois
on that note, Lois, thank you for joining us. We really appreciate
it. Thank you for having me. It was lots of fun, lightening
up the show and one on one until we meet next time. Thank you.
Let's clap the Loess. Let's cop for everybody. That's a good show.
Thank you. M Let's we'll lend the show with the plugs. The
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You look up to them. And so thank you, and so this
is Mac for the entire gang here on macloney's musical X Files to hear us
next time, be safe, be happy, and bye bye name. In
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no turning back. Love reached out and touched me, stop me in my
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because it's true. I'm nothing with that. Found your feel Can you hear
mad to feel feel? Can you hear mad to feel up? To feel
up? Can you hear mad to feel? Can you him? Hey Mac
Maloney fans, this is Pistol Pete and I'm sitting here with the one and
only Mac Maloney. Hi Mac paid Now, Mac, You've got a new
book out called How to Dump a Body at Sea and Not get Caught that
you wrote with our pal, famous crime novelist Mark Zappula. How did this
whole thing come about? Well, Mac and I have this mutual friend that
we go out having ados with every once in a while, and he had
the same twenty ories that he would tell us kind of over and over again,
and at some point I said, you know, we should write these
down, and we did and it turned into a book. It's such a
crazy title. How'd you come up with it? Well, kind of the
same thing we're in about. Talking to this friend of ours one night and
he just said, you know how to get rid of a body sea?
And I cant taught, And of course we didn't know, and so he
told us. And the secret is in the book. But I can say
that it involves a lot of chainling fence and some crabs. Al Mac,
you gave me an advanced copy of the book, and like I said before,
it's one of the funniest things I've ever read. It reminded me of
the Sopranos if the Sopranos had a laugh track. Thanks Peter. But it
also gives you instructions on how to do some pretty shady stuff stuff not exactly
legal. Well, yeah, the book is about the true life adventures of
a druvenile Delinklin, growing up in Boston in the late nineteen eighties, so
you get a lot of the inside stuff like the best way to steal a
ca, best way to burn a caa, how to make fake ideas,
things like that. But in one chapter you actually tell people how to turn
an old, broken down Toyota into brand new Rolls Royce in five easy steps
and it actually works. Yeah. I know it sounds crazy. I didn't
believe it until I saw the proof, but yes, it actually works.
Now, one last question. There's a lot of laughs in the book,
but also a lot of pretty crazy stuff legal and illegal. Is it really
all true? It's really all true, but on the advice of a publisher,
they've asked us not to say a thing beyond that for legal reason.
But yes, it is all true. Well, thanks Mac. That's how
to dump a body at sea and not get caught, the Al Ferrari story
by Mac and crime writer Mark Zippula. Get it today on Amazon.