WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.560 --> 00:00:18.600 We'll come Bend podcast podcasting day. They're talking Welcome to Movie Film. In 2 00:00:18.679 --> 00:00:23.440 this episode two hundred and sixty three, we are in the middle of February 3 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:26.879 or middle Ish. I am, Zachie Hassan, Brian Hall. Are you 4 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:33.119 here, I'm here. It's it has been touch and go. Yeah. 5 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:37.079 Usually it's the end of the year with the holidays and everything where things get 6 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:39.600 kind of sticky. But it's kind of funny how at the beginning of this 7 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:42.600 year usually sort of the you know, the early dulgrums of the year, 8 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:47.119 we're uh, yeah, we're finding it hard hard to find time to get 9 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.719 together and do this, but we did today. People listening are going to 10 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:53.479 be like again with that, you know what I mean? I know, 11 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:56.520 but but I kid you not. I mean, for the last couple of 12 00:00:56.600 --> 00:00:59.640 days, it felt like you and I After Brian new degree, it's like 13 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:03.280 we are we are in the cockpit on the launch pad. We're strapped in 14 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:07.840 and we're just waiting for Mission Control to give the go and then they're like, 15 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:11.319 hey, there's a weather pattern coming in and we scrub the launch. 16 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:15.439 That is really how it feels, honestly, I mean, obviously, these 17 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.840 are life things that in this metaphor with the weather, but like that is 18 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:23.359 so what it is. It's like on the calendar, like anticipating in at 19 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.879 three and then I'm like, Zaggie, how's tomorrow for you? You know? 20 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:32.719 So this is now our really our third time trying to make this happen. 21 00:01:33.120 --> 00:01:36.760 Yeah, yeah, but here we are, we're doing it. I'm 22 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:38.719 just happy we're here. I know it's going to happen. I always wish 23 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.079 it would it would happen on time or you know, more frequently, but 24 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:46.040 as long as it happens at all, I'm happy. Well, we'll talk 25 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.319 to me. I mean, what have you been up to? Well? 26 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:53.439 I uh, in terms of things I've been watching. I you know, 27 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:57.280 it's funny. I started Yellowstone because we had been talking about that. Oh 28 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.079 yeah, and I enjoyed it. I saw the pilot. My brother and 29 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:04.760 his girlfriend actually sat me down. When they watch it, they put on 30 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:10.360 cowboy hats and put toothpicks in their mouths. They're they're doing the full cosplay. 31 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:14.080 Yes. So they invited me over. They made me dinner, and 32 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:15.639 then they handed me a toothpick and they're like, we're showing you Yellowstone. 33 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:20.360 I was like, ah, so you know, and and I was like, 34 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.800 got it, Like I I like the vibe, I liked the setting. 35 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:30.479 And then I kind of got derailed because Ryan Johnson's murder Colombo mystery thing, 36 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:36.840 you know, pesstiche poker Face dropped on Peacock, and out of curiosity, 37 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:39.159 I checked it out. Oh well, I should say I have a 38 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:44.479 friend that worked on it, and so I've been seeing tweets or Instagram posts 39 00:02:44.479 --> 00:02:46.840 and stuff from her for the past couple of months. So I just wanted 40 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:52.879 to say I watched it, and what I really liked about it was it's 41 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:58.080 just one and done, like it's just a mystery in episode. And so 42 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:00.919 it kind of derailed Yellowstone because then I found myself like, oh well, 43 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:04.599 yeah, I saw that that was satisfying, Like I'm done for the night. 44 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:07.639 And then the next night I thought, well, I could do Yellowstone. 45 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:09.680 What happened in the last episode, what's you know? I could do 46 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:13.360 poker Face, you know, And so I've That's what I've been doing is 47 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:16.520 I just started binging through poker Face and I I'm not quite caught up yet, 48 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:21.319 but I'm enjoying it. It goes back to like I said, the 49 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:27.599 Columbo seventies kind of you know, person gets dropped into some sort of murder 50 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:31.960 mystery thing and then is kind of clever, and then you know, the 51 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:36.479 people are like, I don't like this person snooping around. They're gonna figure 52 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:38.039 me out. And then you know, she plays a little aloof and sort 53 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.479 of the oh yeah, just one more thing, kind of you know, 54 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:49.199 VI, I should say, Brian, I know, for you cable TV 55 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:53.000 watching types such as you, it may not be aware, but on network 56 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:59.520 television they have lots of one and done this. I had this thought. 57 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:03.039 Actually I realized, I don't know if it was the Grammys or something, 58 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:09.120 because I do have YouTube TV, and I mean, which is basically cable 59 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:14.439 with another name, and I was flipping channels. Usually what I do is 60 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:17.279 I go straight to like TBS T and t HBO just kind of look around 61 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:20.920 there for like a movie or something, and the Grammys were on, and 62 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:26.519 it occurred to me how little attention I pay to, yeah, like network 63 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.480 television, Like I didn't even know the Grammys were on. I didn't know. 64 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.240 I don't know what like Chicago PD is, you know, like and 65 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:38.199 it's probably if poker face is you know, indicative of anything, it's probably 66 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:41.319 you know, I would enjoy these things or like getting into I know you're 67 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:44.519 a huge fan of law and order. You know there's all a billion of 68 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.879 those. I could be, you know, watching and kind of enjoying, 69 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:51.000 and there's low commitment room required in that vain Law and Order Criminal Intent was 70 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:58.360 essentially this style because it was Vincent Denofrio as a quirky detective Kurt Nah who 71 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:01.800 just won more things as way into yes, solving the murders every week. 72 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:08.959 Yeah, and in this one, you know, uh, Natasha Leone who 73 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:14.839 plays the main character, she has like a quirk, right, So her 74 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:20.079 her sort of superpower is she knows when people are lying pretty much without fail 75 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:27.000 so exactly. I mean well in that vein right, like she has a 76 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:31.360 tick or something that sort of gives her, like I say, a superpower. 77 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:35.639 But what's interesting is she won't always she doesn't know why you're lying, 78 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:39.680 so like she'll be speaking with someone and they're not telling the truth. So 79 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:42.160 then she's got to figure out, okay, well this is I know, 80 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:45.800 this is hinky, So now I've got to like work around this sort of 81 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:57.079 area. And what's that mean Brian Hinky about bullshit? Sam? Hey, 82 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:59.720 I made up for the off air. I missed a future of reference. 83 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.800 This is all we do, folks. We just have fugitive call and response. 84 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:11.839 I just real quick, I should I should mention this because because we've 85 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:15.160 been talking about the Fugitive a lot recently. I was watching it was on 86 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.000 TV, and it was it was the point where you know, um uh 87 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.800 Sam, you know, the the ID he pulls it up and he's like 88 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:27.680 this mondo, you know, and I was explaining the boys, yeah exactly. 89 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.120 I was explaining it. I was like, I can text Uncle Brian, 90 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:32.560 this Jo Louis, and I will get back where are you at this 91 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:39.480 mondo? And I was like, if if that text exchange was uncovered, 92 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:43.759 like that's the only evidence of us, people would be like what in the 93 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:46.879 world. You know? Yeah, yeah, but we know we know, 94 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:56.639 um poker face, I recommend it, you know. I It had this 95 00:06:56.720 --> 00:07:00.160 funny thing where when the pilot started, I thought it was going to be 96 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:03.959 a little snappier than it was, and so I was like, oh, 97 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:09.480 interesting, like I'm kind of choosing to keep going with this rather than getting 98 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:13.839 lost in it. And then the thing is is the acting is so good 99 00:07:14.480 --> 00:07:16.959 that that's what really begins to captivate you. And by the end I was 100 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:19.959 like, oh, let's do another one. And then the next one started 101 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.839 and I kind of the same I was like, Okay, yeah, no, 102 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:26.680 I'm choosing. I'm choosing this, and then by the end, I 103 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:29.600 was like, oh, let's do another one. So that was kind of 104 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:31.279 the effect it was having on me. And you know, another interesting thing 105 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:41.839 too about it is you spend time with the victim and whatever characters in their 106 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:46.600 orbit for almost like fifteen minutes before leone even comes into the story. So 107 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:54.920 it's kind of sometimes I'll find myself watching the story present itself and I'm ten 108 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:57.600 minutes in and I'm like, well, now I know these people. I 109 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:01.600 don't want any of them to die. You know, it really invests you 110 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.160 in those people, I think, versus showing up and then they're sort of 111 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.040 a corpse, and it's like, all right, let's talk to the people 112 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:09.120 they know. Are they new? You know? Um, I don't know. 113 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:13.199 I'd be curious if you check it out. I'm hoping to at some 114 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.480 point, but but unlike you, I am working my way through Yellowstone, 115 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:20.759 so yes, which I will get to next. So how far into that 116 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.439 are you? Two episodes? Oh? Snap, Okay, not not far. 117 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:30.079 Yeah, I mean it's definitely you know, some I think on on 118 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:37.000 Saturday Night Live, somebody described it as succession but outside sure which that that 119 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:43.679 really is what Yellowstone is, you know? Um, but I yeah, 120 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:50.200 I've been watching it with my wife and it's definitely like really like just the 121 00:08:50.240 --> 00:08:54.879 worst family. Like you would never want to be part of this family, 122 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:56.600 right right, you know, and you're like, God, if this is 123 00:08:56.639 --> 00:09:01.480 what money does to people, goddamn you know, right. But that said, 124 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:07.559 you know, I've said to you, you may find the prequels and 125 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.559 easier on ramp. Yeah, you've mentioned this, So maybe I should be 126 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:20.879 heating your advice because I I think there's nothing there's nothing in the prequel shows 127 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.159 that, at least thus far, that lives or dies on fore knowledge of 128 00:09:24.480 --> 00:09:28.200 what comes in Yellowstone. So I think you'd be good with those. It's 129 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.559 just like, oh, okay, this is this is my entry into this 130 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.720 universe, and then I can see where they're at, you know, one 131 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:41.879 hundred years later, right right, Okay, Okay, perhaps I will do 132 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:46.440 that. I have two poker faces to go and then maybe I'll return to 133 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.000 Montana. Well, and I mean, speaking of Yellowstone and I don't know 134 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.440 if you saw the news most recently. I mean, this is this is 135 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.000 the most popular show on television based on just like the number of viewers. 136 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.960 And yeah, it's weird how and maybe this is because I live in the 137 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:07.120 Bay Area. Like I've yet to meet anyone in person who actually watches it. 138 00:10:07.360 --> 00:10:11.080 Yes, same like it this is a new thing. I mean it's 139 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.000 been around for what four seasons or something, and it's like you say, 140 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:18.279 it's the hugest thing. Yeah, yeah, And I'm just like my brother 141 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.120 just got into it, you know. And I actually I reconnected with a 142 00:10:22.120 --> 00:10:26.279 friend from high school recently and they were talking about it, and I was 143 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:31.039 like, this is the first conversation I'm having about Yeowstone with anybody. So 144 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.360 yeah, it's it's kind of interesting. It's well, Kevin Costner stars on 145 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.639 the show, and he I mean, that was a big deal from doing 146 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:43.480 this show. And I would say probably that's what you know, got got 147 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.559 a lot of eyeballs initially. Now he wants to he wants to leave. 148 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:52.360 He has this like eighteen hour western that he's directing. Right, you know, 149 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:54.840 I knew it was like a film or is It's like, no, 150 00:10:56.039 --> 00:11:00.799 it's like a movie. It's gonna be ridiculously long, though, and so 151 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.519 that's what he wants to do, and he wants to focus on that. 152 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:07.519 So he now apparently his contract with the Yellow Stoe to something like he films 153 00:11:07.559 --> 00:11:13.879 sixty five days out of the year, which I don't know, seems kind 154 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.399 of kind of like a sweet gig to me. I mean, yeah, 155 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:22.480 if he why not have that that going, you know, like and then 156 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:26.440 and then yeah, make your patching project on the side or you know, 157 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:30.559 in the other days. Yeah, And and so I think that And and 158 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.759 by the way, I mean, Constner's pulling down like twenty million dollars a 159 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:39.360 season off this show, wow, not including his producer fee, So that 160 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.120 means he owns a piece of it, right wow. So like he's doing 161 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.240 okay. But but I think maybe he's just had enough. Maybe the series 162 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.159 life isn't for him, you know. And that's true. I mean, 163 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.840 maybe he's not used to playing a character the same character for you know, 164 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.480 years and years, and he's like, Okay, I did what I want 165 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:01.519 to do with this, and now I'm ready for something different. Possibly yeah. 166 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.440 So but of course the problem is that Yellowstone is the hub of like 167 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:09.039 what is now a major franchise, and so if he's like, hey, 168 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:15.200 peace out, well that could conceivably take the show with him, you know. 169 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:20.159 And I wonder if there's something too about it being active that makes it 170 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:24.320 a somehow still more of a draw, because if it just ended, maybe 171 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:26.399 people would be like, oh, well that was a thing that happened, 172 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:30.080 and they won't feel as compelled to come to it. I don't know, 173 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.799 Oh yeah, yeah, it could be right, yeah, yeah, Well 174 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:37.960 isn't there to talk about Matthew McConaughey coming on? And it's sort of pivoting 175 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:41.120 a little bit into well that's I mean, what they haven't said is what 176 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:46.480 a McConaughey lad show would be. So is it another prequel? Is it 177 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:52.440 a sequel? What happens to Costner's character who is the patriarch of the family? 178 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.320 You know, I think this is just me. I think that if 179 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:01.000 you're going to do something with McConaughey, which I can easily see him in 180 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:05.320 this universe, sure it should not be Yellowstone. It should be something else, 181 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:11.360 even if I to me, I think Yellowstone is the Kevin Costner story, 182 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.600 right, So that's I you know, I wonder like, is he 183 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:22.799 just angling for a raise, m maybe you know which. To me, 184 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:26.960 it's like, look, man, I you know, we love Kevin Costner, 185 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:30.960 sure so, you know, but but I'm like, look his this 186 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.720 show has given him visibility at this stage of his life that he simply did 187 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:41.200 not have in the movies. Right, Well, in twenty million for sixty 188 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.960 five days, when many blockbusters take more than sixty five days to make, 189 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:50.440 I mean that's you know, nothing to sniffet. Yeah, and and I 190 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.679 mean for a lot of the episodes, it doesn't it involves him like sitting 191 00:13:54.720 --> 00:14:01.840 at a table and you know, glowering angrily. You know, so I'm 192 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:07.639 curious. I mean, it's definitely a story that as soon as it dropped, 193 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.840 there was a portion of the TV watching audience that just you know, 194 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:18.080 screamed heavenward. And then the other portion is like the who's doing what to 195 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:22.759 what now? Because it's not even on their radar? Right? You know? 196 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.039 Do you remember a couple on SNL just now, the Pedro Pescal episode 197 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:31.039 they had like the movie, Yeah, tell me you didn't relate to that 198 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:35.039 sketch? It was you know, it was amazing. Is they did stump 199 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:41.000 me? Right? I mean, well, the premise is like Hollywood trivia, 200 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:43.039 right, and so they'll be like, you know, the nineteen eighties 201 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.879 or the nineteen forties, or is something that like everyone can kind of answer, 202 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:48.320 like Wizard of Oz or you know, name this movie about this, 203 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.759 and then they're like, oh, let's talk about the twenty twenties. And 204 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.320 it was something like this, you know, Prestige series on I don't know 205 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:01.080 what streamer, you know, stars Nicole Kidman and she won an award for 206 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:03.919 it, and people they're like, I, I don't know, and they're 207 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:09.879 like Roar. It was called Roar and no one's heard of it, and 208 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:13.080 I'm like, I've never heard of it. And the joke being there's just 209 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:20.240 so much fragmented TV and entertainment out there now. It's like, I don't 210 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:22.480 know, there's probably a lot of people won't even know the majority of what's 211 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:26.200 going on except for what's directly in front of them or what they're choosing to 212 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.519 watch it. Really, I you know, maybe I sound like a grumpy 213 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:35.639 grandpa here, but this continual fragmenting makes me very sad because it's robbing us 214 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:45.480 of a shared language, the pop culture language, and conflicted because I agree 215 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:48.600 with you and at the same time I got to watch him a Grooger TV 216 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:54.879 series, you know, and like there is just the fact that this movie 217 00:15:56.120 --> 00:16:00.320 that I don't even think made ten million dollars at the box office, but 218 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.879 that I love, actually got a series made because Peacock was like, well 219 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.600 we need something at six thirty. You know. I mean that makes no 220 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:12.399 sense, but you know what I'm saying. Um, so it's it's kind 221 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:17.279 of cool in some ways. And and also you get something like a squid 222 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:21.399 game, Like Squid Game would have never been put in front of us without 223 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:26.159 this landscape, and somehow that did become one big thing everyone was talking about 224 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:30.600 at a minute. But that's that's one of the rare big things that everyone 225 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:34.759 right, like true, true, Like I guess that's that's kind of like 226 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:40.720 it's like using Yellowstone as an example, right, this is again it's a 227 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:47.559 hugely successful show. It's very expansive, and it's a prestige production, and 228 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:52.840 yet probably more than half of like the TV watching audience has no concept of 229 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:59.240 it. Yeah, And I contrast that with Dallas sure sure, which, 230 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:06.000 being honest, Yellowstone is just twenty twenties Dallas. Yeah, I don't say 231 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.000 that as a negative because yeah, yeah, as you know, Brian, 232 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:14.000 I am a fan of Dallas. But in the eighties, even if you 233 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:15.799 didn't watch Dallas, I'm gonna assume you didn't watch Dallas. I didn't watch 234 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.079 Dallas in the eighties, but we were aware of it. We knew it, 235 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:22.880 we knew the shorthand I could joke with you right now about who shot 236 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:26.160 JR. Exactly and I don't even half know what that means. I just 237 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:30.920 know what it is. Yeah, And so the fact that everything has gotten 238 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:37.480 so fragmented that it makes me sad only in that sense that that pop culture 239 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:42.720 was a language that connected people, it connected generations, and those threads are 240 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:49.759 being cut, and that is you know, that's disappointing. Yeah, I 241 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:56.759 no, I agree, I agree. I wish there was yeah or or 242 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:02.440 I mean there are the big tent pole thing that everybody sees either because they 243 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:04.079 love them, word of obligation, I mean, you know, like Marvel 244 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:10.319 and whatnot. But it's like, yeah, sort of those lists. Yeah, 245 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:12.640 yeah, the one I'm trying to think of unlikely as the wrong word, 246 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:17.559 but something that would be less likely to happen today that like we were 247 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:19.680 in the nineties. I mean like I don't know what's The Fugitive is kind 248 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.039 of an example, like even though we joke about how it hasn't quite lived 249 00:18:23.079 --> 00:18:27.759 on necessarily in like the uh you know, the quoting vernacular for people, 250 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:30.759 but like that was a big movie at the time, you know, like 251 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:36.599 a big I'm sure it made like a lot of money. Yeah, but 252 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:40.079 but that is unlikely to become a thing. Well. Actually there's a really 253 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.920 good example because again, maybe it hasn't carried over as much lately, but 254 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:45.640 the whole you know, I didn't kill my wife, I don't care, 255 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:49.720 you know, or the One Armed Man or like for a long time, 256 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:55.240 those were referenced in movies like The Mask and The Simpsons and and all sorts 257 00:18:55.279 --> 00:19:00.039 of things, right, like everybody knew that stuff from that thing. But 258 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:02.680 I feel like that movie would be like, oh, yeah, there's this 259 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:06.359 movie that's like pretty good. It made like thirty million at the box office. 260 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:08.039 Maybe I'll catch it on Netflix. You know, like that feels like 261 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:12.720 what would happen to the Fugitive now? It's so true? Yeah, you 262 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:19.599 know, like it's hard to find those those multi generational things that that you 263 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:25.599 know, I've said on the show before, like my students reference friends a 264 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:30.200 lot, right, But that's a rare thing, right, right, Everything 265 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.079 that old, Like, I don't even hear Seinfeld references and my students, 266 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:37.519 you know, it's funny. Yeah, I guess I don't hear that as 267 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:41.200 much as like, yeah, friends or something. But I saw some sort 268 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:47.359 of graph where it was the top streamed stuff and Seinfeld was in there, 269 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.039 like the top ten or twelve or something, and I thought, wow, 270 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:53.720 I kind of surprises me. It's you know, a couple of weeks ago 271 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:57.960 when they had that when Jimmy Kimmel had his twentieth anniversary thing and they had 272 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:00.599 all the clips from so Liberty's were like, hey, Jimmy, you know, 273 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:04.400 congratulations whatever, right, yeah, and there's a clip of Jennifer Aniston 274 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:10.480 and um my, my uh fourth kid. He's like, who's that? 275 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:15.640 And and you know, she's like, oh, she's from Friends. That 276 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.480 is crazy. And I'm like, how does she know? She's five? 277 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:26.759 How does she know friends? I'm actually genuinely curious. I have no idea. 278 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.039 Yeah, but isn't it amazing? That is amazing? Right? I 279 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:34.400 was, by the way, real quick, and is is she you know, 280 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:38.519 you know, Elmira from from Tiny twon adventures. Oh yeah, yeah, 281 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:44.319 yeah, yeah, that's her with our cat. Oh that's so funny. 282 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:48.240 She will not leave this cat alone. That is hilarious. Does the 283 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:52.240 cat enjoy like being he's he's fine with the other ones, but he sees 284 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:55.839 her coming, he races in the opposite direct. Really, Oh no, 285 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.680 you know she now bear in mind, she's I mean, she's gonna be 286 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:03.839 six next month. She's she has been the baby for six months, six 287 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:10.400 six years, right, and and now suddenly she knows what it's like to 288 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:15.559 have competition. M So she's acting out in all those She literally told my 289 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:19.400 wife, she's like, you love the cat more than me. Wow. 290 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:26.799 Oh man, so that's another thing I have to deal with. Yeah, 291 00:21:26.039 --> 00:21:32.839 wow, I'm calling her in. But she's older, I mean not now, 292 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:38.359 but you show her like a clip, so she's just like bunny bunny, 293 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:47.440 you know. Yeah, yeah, this thing. Yeah, anyway, 294 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:51.279 sorry you were saying, Oh no, I was just gonna say, just 295 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:53.119 speaking of all these things too, and I don't know, now we're kind 296 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:57.279 of like getting broader and broader, but just with relevancy and hanging on and 297 00:21:57.319 --> 00:22:00.559 what lasts. And just as a side note, I was in like a 298 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:06.000 Target or something, and I saw the kid's clothes section and I saw a 299 00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:10.680 Jurassic Park shirt, which isn't too crazy because of course, you know, 300 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:12.400 the movie came out last year, but but still I was like, wow, 301 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.960 that that's from like when I was, you know, thirteen or something. 302 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.799 And then there was a super Mario Brothers shirt, and I thought, 303 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:23.240 wow, if if like twelve year old me or something time traveled to the 304 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.319 future and was like, so, what's everybody into? And it's like literally 305 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:33.480 everything I like Right now, that's kind of wild. Well because they probably 306 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.119 could they got that movie coming out right, of course, of course, 307 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:38.240 but it's just amazing. I mean, that's the shirts I would have wanted 308 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:44.039 it as a kid, and you probably still wear them now, you're right, 309 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:51.880 right, yeah, but will I watched something else, Aki, Yes, 310 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:57.279 I checked out your pal and mine. One of our our filmmakers that 311 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:03.119 it's complicated feelings, but we can't stay away. M Knight Shamalan. I 312 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.480 saw a Knock at the Cabin. I kind of love how through through thicker 313 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:12.079 thin you you you got skin in the game. You're like, you know 314 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:15.400 what. M Knight's got a movie out. I'm gonna go see it. 315 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:22.440 Shamalan always has a ticket from me, always, and even when he was 316 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:26.200 on the decline, you know, for for a minute there I saw it 317 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:30.839 didn't like it was ready for the next one. Like I'm just in the 318 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:33.920 bag for this guy, and I think, I mean, look, I 319 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:36.640 love the sixth Cents, I love Unbreakable of Signs. Actually watched half of 320 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:42.079 Signs on TV the other day, and so he hooked me. And the 321 00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:47.200 thing is is he has the things he's not as strong at. You know, 322 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:51.319 maybe sometimes with the script or you know, landing the plane, you 323 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:53.720 know, story wise at the end, whatever it is. But like he 324 00:23:53.920 --> 00:24:00.039 is a really compelling filmmaker. I mean, he just know how to make 325 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.200 you want to look around a corner where he puts the camera. He knows 326 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.000 how to draw your eye to something or to make you feel something with a 327 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:14.119 static camera and the right edit. And that's just so darn rare these days. 328 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:22.079 You know, I love someone who has intention behind every choice in their 329 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.680 filmmaking, and that can absolutely be said about Shamalan. So yes, anything 330 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.000 he puts out, I'm in, I'm in. And even this premise looked 331 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.160 really dark, like I think we've talked before, like Home invasion movies kind 332 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:37.599 of get under my skin. I just find them they're so nihilistic, you 333 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:41.680 know, and just horrifying and kind of real worldye, and they just they 334 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.279 really creep me out. But I was like, well, what Shamalan got 335 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:51.039 to say about this? So do you have any interest in this? By 336 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:55.640 the way, I would say, enough to check it out when it hits 337 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:57.920 streaming, but not to rush after the theater to watch it. Yeah, 338 00:24:59.000 --> 00:25:03.839 so bas basically to try to avoid any spoilers or whatever the IMDb description is. 339 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:08.359 While vacationing, a girl and her parents are taken hostage by armed strangers 340 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:17.240 who demand that the family make a choice to avert the apocalypse. So this 341 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:22.880 was interesting. I saw this with my brother and it's like a very Twilight 342 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:26.480 Zony kind of yarn. And at the end of the day it does get 343 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:33.160 a thumbs up from me, and I think the reason is it's a really 344 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:37.960 intriguing premise, and every minute that passed, I was like, what is 345 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.400 going to happen next? What is going on? And like the acting was 346 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:45.319 so good, very good, maybe some of the best acting he's had in 347 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.359 any of his films, which really really helped. I think with this one 348 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.759 in particular, the filmmaking is like on fire, the choices, you know, 349 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:57.079 the the lenses, when he's choosing certain depths of field. I mean, 350 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:02.519 it is just you know, chef's kiss. I think the thing is, 351 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:07.160 though, is when the movie's over, like the story, it's it's 352 00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:12.519 logic and it's rules, just kind of you know, all the holes start 353 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:18.000 to show, the light starts to come fus. Yeah, yeah, you 354 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:21.359 know. Well, I mean credit words due, I mean like six cents 355 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:22.559 and all. I mean, like he nailed He's nailed it before, but 356 00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:27.119 I think he's living having to live up to that every time since, you 357 00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:30.160 know, and I think that, yeah, with this one, when you 358 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.599 when it was over, I looked at my brother and he was just like, 359 00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:38.400 you know, I it did not It didn't land like, it didn't 360 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:45.400 add up to anything. But I have to say I enjoyed being on the 361 00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:48.279 ride, and I was like, yeah, I get that, But I 362 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.720 think I would say I enjoyed it a little bit more because I was so 363 00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.200 taken with the craft and with the acting and with the tension and the mystery 364 00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:00.319 of it all. But I think he's absolutely right. Unfortunately, at the 365 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:06.960 end, it doesn't add up to something completely satisfying or profound, or you 366 00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:10.960 just start asking questions, you know, and maybe maybe that's what he wants, 367 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:12.680 but I think there are questions that make you wonder if it was good 368 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:18.359 or not the story at least, So yeah, I would say at the 369 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.240 end of the day, for me, it was a successful viewing experience, 370 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.599 like it was worth my time, and I enjoyed seeing the artistry, and 371 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.759 I enjoyed being taken on the ride, and I really was tense and confused 372 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:37.200 and intrigued. But yeah, I think it's absolutely worth saying if those things 373 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:41.839 are not going to satisfy people, like if it's all gonna matter what the 374 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.519 culmination is at the end, which is completely understandable, I think people are 375 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.200 going to feel, you know, a little deflated at the end. And 376 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:52.920 I saw that it got a C Cinema score, so I mean, you 377 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.759 know, like the the ending, I mean, you know that's what you 378 00:27:56.799 --> 00:28:00.240 walk out with. So I yeah, it's it's a hard movie to recommend, 379 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:07.880 but I think if you like his craftiness, it's a great experience. 380 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.160 But yes, at the end, unfortunately, you just wish it had kind 381 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:17.440 of stuck that landing or landed on something a bit more profound. You know, 382 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:22.519 what do you think of Dave Bautista in this? Oh Man? All 383 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.400 the acting is good in this, I mean Dave Bautista, he has a 384 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.119 really tricky role because the thing is is he's supposed to come in. I 385 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:32.079 mean, this isn't the trailer, so I don't feel like this is spoiling 386 00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:37.519 anything. But he's saying, look, the end of the world is going 387 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:42.880 to happen unless one of you in this three person family kills someone, like 388 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:47.160 you're someone in the family. One of you has to choose someone in your 389 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:52.119 family to die so the world won't end. And the thing is is they're 390 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:53.400 not going to do it. They're not there to do it. They're just 391 00:28:53.480 --> 00:29:02.119 the messengers. And what's so difficult about what he's doing is he doesn't want 392 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:06.680 this to happen, Like he just knows that the world is going to end 393 00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.720 if it doesn't happen, and so he is racked, you know, with 394 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:15.000 pain and guilt but also conviction. I mean, it's a really really tricky 395 00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:18.519 tightrope. And I think Boutissa just oh man, I mean, in his 396 00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:25.400 hulking presence, but there's this sorrow and this also weird, like politeness because 397 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.599 he's I've got to come in, you know, soft with this because I'm 398 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.640 going to present you something you do not want to hear. He's fantastic. 399 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.359 Um, they all are. I mean, Jonathan Groff was great. This 400 00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:41.400 other guy I don't know his name off top my head, but the one 401 00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:45.319 who plays his husband in this, Ben Aldridge, I thought he was really 402 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:52.359 really good. Yeah, the acting is is great. So I'd be so 403 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.119 curious for you to see this and talk about it with you. You've got 404 00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.079 me, Yeah, you've got me more intrigued to check it out. So 405 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.160 yeah, yeah, maybe maybe I will. Maybe I will go to the 406 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.720 AMC. And you know, I have the A list, So I'm not 407 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:11.920 going to be affected by their weird price plan to charge more for certain seats. 408 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:17.519 Let's talk about that for a minute. I mean, like, what 409 00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:18.799 do you think about that? I mean, yeah, what what was zactly 410 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:22.880 talking about? If if people haven't heard this is AMC is not proposing. 411 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:27.519 I think they're just going to do this. They're going to charge different prices 412 00:30:27.759 --> 00:30:33.599 for the same screening depending on where you sit. Right, So there's if 413 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.640 you sit in the first couple of rows that won't cost as much as the 414 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.480 plum seats, say, in the middle of the theater, and then everything 415 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.720 that's not in the quote unquote. I guess best seats of the house the 416 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.240 middle, depending on your preferences. But if you all the other seats will 417 00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:56.440 be some sort of middle price. That's right. What do you think about 418 00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.519 that? Well, I have a couple of thoughts. I'm on the one 419 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:03.599 day, and it's easy to be like, well, I have a list, 420 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:08.160 so it doesn't affect me. But that's sort of that, you know. 421 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.599 That's like, well, for then they came for these people and I 422 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.119 said nothing, and then you know, I feel like, wait long enough, 423 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:21.519 eventually this stuff does get back to you. I think it's dumb. 424 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.759 First of all, I don't think going to the movies is like on to 425 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:32.400 a concert. Yeah, right, like the fundamental Conceit is silly in my 426 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:33.920 opinion, because I don't I don't think people approach it the same thing. 427 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:38.519 However, that said, I also am sympathetic because I'm like, well, 428 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.319 maybe this is just another way for these places to keep the lights on, 429 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.720 in which case I'm not opposed to that. You know. That's yeah, 430 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:56.920 conflicted, That's how I feel. Because my theater actually closest to my place 431 00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:01.720 is closing, and it's the one that you and I saw Crystal Skull at 432 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:07.160 like years ago, and yep, and it was an ARC light for years, 433 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.119 which I just absolutely adored the experience there, and then it turned into 434 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:15.359 a regal, which, you know, you it lost a little bit of 435 00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.519 the fairy dust, but at the same time it was fine. The employees 436 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:23.000 there were actually really friendly. Every time I went there, I felt like, 437 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:27.559 you know, there, I had like a small conversation with an employee 438 00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:29.920 and it was like, Wow, I like this place, Like it left 439 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.440 me with a really great feeling. And and then I just learned, yeah, 440 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:37.680 this month is the last month I think it'll be operating. So and 441 00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:39.279 it's crazy because I mean, I guess when it was an ARC light, 442 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:45.559 it was their highest grossing you know, box office arc light in the country, 443 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.880 so at one point it was a draw, one of the biggest draws. 444 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.200 But yeah, when I go to the movies these days, it's not 445 00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:58.519 nearly as full. I could say, you know, like I remember Megan. 446 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:00.920 I think Megan, which I don't think I talked about on the show, 447 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.079 but we saw Megan over here, and that was maybe the most crowded. 448 00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:09.079 I've seen a theater since twenty early twenty twenty, so yeah, I 449 00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:14.799 get it. I'm sympathetic that I don't I don't know, But it also 450 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:17.720 is sort of you know, Elijah Wood had some sort of tweet that I'm 451 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:21.480 in a paraphrase where it was like it almost turns it into this elitist thing 452 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.319 where it's like, well, if you don't have the money, you get 453 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:27.799 the bad seats, and the people who have the money get the good seats. 454 00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:32.240 And there's something kind of icky about that. Yeah, I don't know, 455 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:39.799 I just it. I guess they have tried this in certain regions, 456 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.640 and I guess based on the success there, they're deciding to go, you 457 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:51.440 know, to continue on with it. But at a glance, it doesn't 458 00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:57.640 seem like a smart way to keep people coming, you know. When I 459 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:02.119 heard I've you know, heard other people's convert stations talking about who's going to 460 00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:06.319 enforce this, you know, like, who's to say someone doesn't go in 461 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:07.519 there, buy a cheap seat and then just go sit in the middle. 462 00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.960 But you paid for the middle, and that person's in your seat, and 463 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.760 so then you've got to go get some poor teenager to come in there and 464 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.400 settle a dispute. And I mean that's you know, excuse me, sir 465 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:25.360 purchased already. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, 466 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:29.880 we'll see, we'll see that. That's kind of a TVD. I feel 467 00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.679 like it's gonna we're gonna have to see see where things go with that. 468 00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.840 Maybe Nicole Kidman will usher us through this with some sort of right now, 469 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:42.519 this is her moment. Yeah, we need we need you, Nicole, 470 00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:57.440 it's her time. Yeah. Um, well, well here's the thing I 471 00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.960 saw. You know, we're talking about going back to things that sort of 472 00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:04.840 the entire country was talking about at one time. I decided to revisit the 473 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:13.039 miniseries V. Yeah, yeah, V I've never seen. You've never seen 474 00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.480 V. Well no, wait, wait, wait, which the you're talking 475 00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.119 about the eighties one? Right, the eighties one? Yeah, there was 476 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.679 there was like a re remake or a reboot or whatever you call it about 477 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:27.920 about ten or twelve years ago. Not talking about that. But this year 478 00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.800 is the fortieth anniversary of the original V miniseries, and I thought, you 479 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:35.199 know, I'm gonna bust that out, And so I watched it with my 480 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:39.559 nine year old and uh, definitely he is like fully, like, oh, 481 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:43.880 man, put on the next rat like whatever that was. So that 482 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:45.159 was fun watching it. You know, this is this is written and directed 483 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:50.000 by Kenneth Johnson, who I know him as a guy who created an incredible 484 00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.480 whole TV show. You know him as the guy who directed Short Circuit too. 485 00:35:52.880 --> 00:36:02.239 Hey, Yeah, absolutely, and so there's Yeah, if you haven't 486 00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:06.719 seen it, you know, I certainly think the first mini series is pretty 487 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:09.840 darn good. I think it holds up very well. It's it's a metaphor 488 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:16.239 for fascism, right, so it's substitutes instead of you know, Russians taking 489 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.320 over something during you know, during the Cold War. It has space aliens 490 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:22.599 and it has you know, and it goes through a lot of those same 491 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:29.360 tropes. But I think it's very effective. It's it's on the nose, 492 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.880 but I think a story like this should be on the nose. Sure, 493 00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:37.920 yeah, you know it's it's in a broad sense. It's inspired by a 494 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:42.480 book by Sinclair Lewis called it Can't Happen Here, Right, And it's kind 495 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:46.599 of that same idea that fascism comes in wearing a friendly face and eventually people 496 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:51.679 just don't even realize they've been taken over and that's that's what what makes V 497 00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:55.760 effective. Now. The first mini series when it came out was a I 498 00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:00.880 mean it was like Roots level of like people watching and talking about it. 499 00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:06.440 It was very you know, there was a whole marketing campaign where people they 500 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:13.000 had post they had posters, you know of like propaganda posters of the Space 501 00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:17.039 Aliens and their red uniforms and happy and you know, friendship is universal in 502 00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:21.280 this type of stuff, and they put those all around subway stations and then 503 00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:24.000 people like, hell is this And then after a week or so, people 504 00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:29.199 went around and spray painted red vs all over them. That's good, that's 505 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:34.800 good. V isn't viral, Brian, because right as it got people talking 506 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.039 and so the first miniseries very effective, and it did so well. I 507 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:42.000 mean it was like up until then, it was like the second highest rated 508 00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:46.119 miniseries ever after Roots. So NBC Warner Brothers they're like, hey, let's 509 00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:50.119 come on, let's come back, Let's do the sequel. And Ken Johnson's 510 00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.239 like, all right, here's my plan for the sequel. And they're like, 511 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:53.880 no, you know what, We're gonna do something else. And they 512 00:37:53.920 --> 00:38:00.440 fired him from his own thing, which isn't that just like the most Hollywood 513 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:05.519 thing. Yeah. Wait, two questions. So how long was the first 514 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:10.079 mini series? How many episodes? So it is in total it's about three 515 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:15.519 hours to two parts of ninety minutes each. Oh dang, okay, I'll 516 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.199 watch it. Um. Yeah, I was in my head, I was 517 00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:21.000 thinking like a two season show or something. It's like, oh, that's 518 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.360 a Sunday thing. But no, so what do they want? They wanted 519 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:27.800 him to make a did it ever turn to a show? Or they wanted 520 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:31.679 him to make another three hour total sort of thing. Yeah. Well, 521 00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:36.719 so there was a second mini series that was intended to sort of wrap up 522 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:43.079 the story, and I think I think Johnson had intentions of, well, 523 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.039 you know, we can keep this thing going, right, sure. I 524 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:51.079 think I think NBC and Warner Brothers probably wanted cheaper and more, more explosions 525 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.480 and that type of thing. And so you have a second mini series which 526 00:38:54.440 --> 00:39:00.159 it's almost like you can you can track at what point Kenneth Johnson's involved stopped? 527 00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:06.239 You know what I mean? Because because I think if the first mini 528 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:09.559 series is like a solid ah, you know, the second miniseries is like 529 00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:15.840 a it's like a solid bat. So it's it's still watchable. You know 530 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.119 what I mean, do you know what he wanted to do versus what they 531 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:22.559 did? Um? Well, I know what he didn't want to do. 532 00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:25.199 Without spoiling anything. I think the way it ended was something that just just 533 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:29.760 knowing what I know of Kenneth Johnson's sensibilities, I'm like, well, that 534 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.960 definitely wasn't a thing he would have wanted. Um, but I think it 535 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.519 is an effective wrap up. And then they came back and they did really 536 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:38.000 well. And then they came back a few months later and they had a 537 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:43.719 weekly series with no budget and no no idea what they were doing, and 538 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:47.400 so with each episode I think it lasted nineteen episodes. You can sort of 539 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:53.000 see them running out of money with each episode. You know, they keep 540 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:57.880 repurposing special effects shots and it sort of becomes comical, and you're like, 541 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:02.679 man, talk about self immolation of what could have been a long term franchise, 542 00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.800 right it is? It is interesting to watch now that all being said, 543 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.760 I'm now going through the weekly series with my nine year old, and 544 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.119 I think it's sort of it works at his level because you know, he's 545 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:20.760 not gonna be looking at all that stuff, right. But the original miniseries. 546 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.199 Oh my gosh, it's fantastic. Okay, let's check it out. 547 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:28.280 Yeah, I mean that that was one that because I saw the second miniseries 548 00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.800 when I was a kid. I saw in Sali Arabia. I didn't see 549 00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:37.880 the first miniseries until I was probably sixteen seventeen. Okay, it was a 550 00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:45.880 little bit older, but but it you know, I appreciated all the subtext 551 00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:47.960 and just straight up text, you know, in terms of what it's trying 552 00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:52.000 to say. And I do think it's kind of an evergreen story, right 553 00:40:52.280 --> 00:41:00.000 evergreens, because they're like they're listen, how are the dual effect or specially 554 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.880 effects, I should say, I think they hold up for the most part, 555 00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:06.639 you know, I think I think there's some stuff that's a little that's 556 00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:08.559 a little dodgy, where you know, you have these space aliens and they're 557 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.960 they're shoving you know, groundhogs in their mouth, you know, because they 558 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.679 eat like livestock. Um. That that's a little dodgy. But I think 559 00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:22.880 the the you know, I think Kenneth Johnson just in general, it is 560 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:29.719 very smart about not not letting his reach get too big, and so the 561 00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:32.639 effects serve the story. For in terms of what they were capable of achieving. 562 00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:37.440 And I think in that sense it holds up. I'm smart, But 563 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.000 if you end up watching, it'll be very curious what you think. Yeah, 564 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:42.880 for sure, you know a lot of folks in there who like Mark 565 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.039 Singer from The Beast Master. He's he's the main character. But you got 566 00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:52.400 like Robert England before Freddy wow Um, either before or right around the first 567 00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.679 night Man on Street. Um, you know, Joanna Kerns is in there 568 00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.639 and like a small girl like all these people, you're like, oh, 569 00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:04.679 hey that person, Yeah, hey, that guy. Right. Also, 570 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.880 I wanted to mention that the new season of Star Trek Piccard is about to 571 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:13.519 drop on Paramount Plus. Now you know what you said before about about mcgruber. 572 00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:16.880 Yes, I feel like that's just as applicable here, because certainly, 573 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:21.880 without the streaming age, I would not get like whatever, it is like 574 00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:25.039 five Star Trek shows that are just airing one after the other on Paramount Plus. 575 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:31.239 So we have the final season of Star Trek Piccard. And what makes 576 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:37.320 this season particularly exciting is that Terry Mattellis is the new showrunner. He wanted 577 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:42.239 this to be knowing it was last season. He wanted this to be a 578 00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.599 proper farewell for the cast of Star Trek the Next Generation, who have not 579 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:52.079 appeared on this show. Wow. You know, in the first season we 580 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:58.360 had a couple of guest appearances by Jonathan Frakes, as as William Riker and 581 00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:02.400 Brent Spiners showed up. But really, for whatever reason, Patrick Stewart was 582 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:07.280 like, I don't want this to be just another regurgitation of the Next Generation. 583 00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:10.239 Oh interesting, And so I guess they twisted his arm or whatever, 584 00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:15.119 and so they made this kind of the farewell that the Next Generation crew never 585 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:19.920 got. The last Next Generation movie was in two thousand and two Wow, 586 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:25.519 and it got beat at the box office opening weekend by Maid in Manhattan, 587 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:34.360 the Jennifer Lopez rom com Wow. So an ignominious fate in that movie. 588 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:37.440 You know, so the Next Generation crew never really got their farewell, you 589 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:38.679 know what I mean. Like like Star Trek six, which you've seen, 590 00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:43.440 you know, it ends with you know, Captain Kirk and you know, 591 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:47.280 and he gives his h you know, his captain's log and he's like, 592 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.760 this is my final cruise, aboard this ship and do it. And you're 593 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:52.159 like, oh, wow, you know, this is the end. Like 594 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:57.320 like the Next Generation never got that right, And so I've so this is 595 00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:59.960 a ten episode season. I've seen the first six. This is how confident 596 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:02.320 Paramount was. They're like, here you go, three weeks early, six 597 00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:07.239 out of the ten episodes. Do you think of that? Yeah, and 598 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.679 I'll tell you, I mean, this is this is that, this is 599 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:16.559 this is the legacy sequel of the Next Generation. You know. That's fantastic 600 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:22.239 and it weaves with what they've done in previous seasons. Yeah, it was 601 00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.239 what I would say. What I would say is it doesn't so much weave 602 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:30.039 with it as it doesn't ignore it, but it doesn't necessarily go out of 603 00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:35.840 its way to acknowledge it. So in in in the sense that I think 604 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:42.440 I think they tried really hard to make this something that people who either got 605 00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:46.159 board with the previous season or just didn't watch them can just watch cold and 606 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:49.960 they'll get what they need too out of it. And I I the other 607 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:52.880 thought I had, and this is this is a discussion and I have had 608 00:44:52.920 --> 00:45:00.280 a lot. It really does feel like the Star Wars sequels have ended up 609 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:06.280 mapping out in a lot of ways what legacy sequels should not do. HM 610 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:10.599 Sure, when when it comes to specifically legacy characters. Yeah, I mean, 611 00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:14.960 well you can. Yeah, I mean, you get such strong reactions. 612 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.039 It's it's almost impossible not to be like, oh when when when people 613 00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:22.400 try this, you tend to get this kind of reaction exactly right, So 614 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:27.920 so and you hate that that's the case. Yeah, Yeah, you want 615 00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:31.920 to be able to feel free, to to make bold choices, yeah, 616 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:36.440 you know, but but it is what it is. But there's definitely it. 617 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.960 Watching this, you get the sense that, Okay, Star Wars went 618 00:45:40.119 --> 00:45:45.159 in this direction and that didn't work out so well in terms of polarization in 619 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:49.159 the fan base. Let's go in the opposite route. So this really goes 620 00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.800 to great lengths to pull these characters back together and make them all relevant. 621 00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:54.199 And you know, for me, I mean you know this, Brian, 622 00:45:54.239 --> 00:46:00.400 I mean, gosh, I grew up watching The Next Generation. I've loved 623 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.719 these characters all my life and and so seeing them back is obviously great. 624 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:07.320 And and I don't know how it's the season is going to end, but 625 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:10.639 based on the first six episodes, I find it difficult to believe that they 626 00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:15.400 will just completely shit the bed right right in the last four. You know, 627 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:17.800 it feels like they've built up a pretty solid head of steam. But 628 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:22.000 you know, fingers crossed. I'm knocking on wood as I say this, 629 00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:28.440 But I watched it my kids were camping that weekend. I'm just blazing through 630 00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.400 it, and I'm like, God, I can't wait to watch this with 631 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:34.800 my kids. You know, that's so cool you can share that with them 632 00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.320 that they like it too. Yeah. Well, that's the funny thing because 633 00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:40.800 because I went through, I've gone through the next generation with them twice. 634 00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:45.440 Now, you know. I watched it with my oldest one, you know, 635 00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.559 and and at the time he was like nine or something, you know, 636 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:52.559 So so my second one he was, you know, seven, So 637 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:54.159 now he's like, well, I don't really remember it. Let's go. 638 00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:59.760 So I'm going through it. Yeah. Uh so I know that they're going 639 00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:02.280 to joy it. But I you know, and this may not mean as 640 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.480 much to you, Brian, but I know people listening who watched the show, 641 00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:12.480 Jonathan Frakes, it's like his best performance ever as Commander Riker. Uh. 642 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.400 You know, we get Brent Spiner gets something new and interesting to do 643 00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:22.840 with his character. I don't know what is planned with these next generation characters 644 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:28.119 after this, maybe nothing, but if This is indeed the final hurrah for 645 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.800 them. I think what we missed out on twenty years ago we get now, 646 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:38.960 which is a true emotional farewell. It's fantastic. Yeah. So with 647 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:42.199 that, let's take a short break and we'll come back right up, please, 648 00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.199 And we're back. And we got a couple of listener letters here, 649 00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:59.719 Brian. Cool. So first up we got we got a question for you 650 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:07.519 from Corey Hebne, who asks Brian, what's your deal with Bluie? Like? 651 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.960 Was my deal with it? Like that? What's my beef? Or 652 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.559 like, what's my relationship? Well, I given that that's all there is, 653 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:21.039 I suppose feel free to interpret as you choose your deal with Blue. 654 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:24.519 This question is a Rorschach test for you, Brian. I will say exactly 655 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:28.840 what my deal is with Blue, because I think it can be distilled quite 656 00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:35.079 simply. I heard it existed and that it was good, and so I 657 00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:38.920 chose to like watching, to watch an episode and was like, oh, 658 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:45.079 this is adorable and hilarious and sweet and clever, and so then I started 659 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:51.119 watching a couple more, and I don't have them in my DVR or anything, 660 00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:55.880 but I remember I was like a loan in a cabin like I did, 661 00:48:55.880 --> 00:49:00.159 like a getaway weekend, like a a year or two ago, and 662 00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:02.519 I was flipping through channels and Bluie was on and out of everything. I 663 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:06.719 was like, yeah, Bluie. So I watched, like, you know, 664 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.280 at a couple of Blueism and then, you know, I have friends 665 00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:13.119 with kids and they'll be like, ah, you should see this one, 666 00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.079 and so I watched one where it was so funny. It was like their 667 00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:21.840 cousin comes to visit and the kid didn't take his nap, so he's very 668 00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:24.920 delirious and he's acting like he's drunk. And so it's like these little kids 669 00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:30.480 trying to take care of this drunk little kid who like you know, goes 670 00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:34.519 out and takes like their their big wheel kind of car thing and it's like, 671 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.360 oh, like shouldn't be driving. And it was so funny. Um. 672 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:40.599 So yeah, I've seen a handful. I've had ones recommended and I 673 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.840 checked them out, but I have not like gone through the whole series. 674 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:51.320 But I really love it. I really respect it to the the acting and 675 00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.719 the writing is so great. So that's my deal with Bluie. That's your 676 00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:59.760 deal with Bluie. Okay, fair enough, Yeah, glad we glad we 677 00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:06.800 established the parameters of the question. Uh yeah, my daughter loved that show. 678 00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:09.800 She went through the whole thing. Oh really Yeah. Now she's moved 679 00:50:09.800 --> 00:50:14.239 on to some other stuff, but she had her blue ee face there. 680 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:16.960 That's that's great. Yeah, it's it's great. I mean it's something that 681 00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:21.280 you feel, I think, happy to put your kids in front of because 682 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.239 it is imaginative and clever and you know, it's not talking down to them. 683 00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:29.079 Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. Here's 684 00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:34.760 a note we got and this is from Scotland. Brian. Oh, so 685 00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:39.480 this is from Hamsa, who's not not my son Hamsa unless he's in Scotland 686 00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:46.760 right now. Ms uh, he says. My name is Hams and I'm 687 00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:51.199 from Scotland, the home of groundskeeper Willie Andy. Yes, he's a pretty 688 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:57.519 accurate depiction of a Scotsman. He says. I recently came across your podcast 689 00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.679 and I feel like I have struck gold. I love listening to you guys 690 00:51:00.679 --> 00:51:05.199 talk about everything, and I am now working my way through all of your 691 00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:08.639 past episodes. Well that's nice. Wow, he says. I just want 692 00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:13.920 to thank you for such consistently and siful and hilarious conversation. Many are the 693 00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:15.960 times when you've had me laughing out loud. For example, in a recent 694 00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:20.639 episode, you guys were talking about Tommy Lee Jones movies where he basically just 695 00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:27.519 shouts at people, which otherwise known as Tommy Lee Jones's entire IMDb listing. 696 00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:30.840 Right, could you guys please share your list of the top movies of that 697 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:36.480 specific genre. I would also love to hear both of your thoughts on the 698 00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:39.719 actor himself and why it is so joyous to watch him shout at people. 699 00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:44.519 Once again, I love the show and really appreciate being able to spend time 700 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:46.440 in your company. From a far vesters, thank you. That means a 701 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:51.880 lot. Thank you so much, as I did not know at the start 702 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.519 of this year how much time we would end up spending talking about Tommy Lee 703 00:51:54.559 --> 00:52:00.360 Jones. Yeah, you know. And it's funny because for me, the 704 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:06.199 Fugitive Kicks started my relationship with him, right, and so then he had 705 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:07.199 like we were saying, he had that run in the nineties, kind of 706 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:12.559 an unlikely run where he was, you know, the lead of all these 707 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.719 movies, Like, um, seeing that this is what I'm actually this is 708 00:52:15.719 --> 00:52:16.920 the point I'm gonna get at I don't know that. I saw a lot 709 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:22.079 of them, like, like is Tears of the Sun. That's a thing, 710 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.159 right, Yeah, that was that was Bruce Willis No Heaven and Earth 711 00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:31.159 right, Oliver Stone, Yeah, Heaven and Earth. That was Tommy Lean 712 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.760 that's the Oliver Stone. That's right. Yeah, National Born Killers. That 713 00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:43.480 was Wild Batman and forever Batman, Forever. I will say, even though 714 00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:46.000 it might not be my favorite actual Tommy Lee Jones movie, Yell, my 715 00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:53.159 absolute favorite impersonation is you doing him an ad Astra, Come get me, 716 00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.719 yell, come get me, Come get me. Federica and I say that 717 00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:00.840 to each other all the time, all the time. I don't go don't 718 00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:06.960 get me as my favorite. I know you probably have seen more of his 719 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:12.800 films than I have. Well, so under Siege is first time I heard 720 00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.800 of him, although I saw The Fugitive first. I watched Underseage after that, 721 00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:20.800 and under Siege also as a distinction of being, uh, the only 722 00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:24.760 good Steven Seagal movie. Yes, and that's a wild performance from him. 723 00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:30.320 I mean he's playing kind of a raucous sky, which is not usual Tommy 724 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:31.719 Lee Jones, I mean Tommy Lee Jones. Yes, sorry, that's right, 725 00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:34.719 yeah. I was like, I was like, no, Stephen Seagale 726 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:38.280 is not raucous and anything. I'm a chef. Yeah. You know, 727 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:44.760 it's so funny because because with Steven Seagal, he again, you know, 728 00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:49.159 we talk about the these these epochs in time, right like Tommy Lee Jones 729 00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.920 had a moment. Steven Seagal had a moment too. Oh yeah yeah, 730 00:53:52.960 --> 00:54:00.239 and this is this ship we need like archaeologists to delve into the the cultural 731 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:07.440 you know, look at the sandstone degradation and try to figure out like what 732 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:13.559 was what was the the cultural milieu in which Steven Seagal emerged, you know, 733 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:16.719 right like he would he would come out with a movie and people would 734 00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:20.760 be like, oh, Steven Seagal has a new movie, and then they 735 00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:25.480 would pay money and go and sit in a room to watch Steven Seagal on 736 00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:30.840 the big screen. And that entire concept makes no sense to me, you 737 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:34.760 know, because I did not get swept up in that personally. I think 738 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:39.079 Van Dam I I sort of we've talked about this before with blood Sport, 739 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:43.840 Like, I didn't really get into Van Dam either, except you know, 740 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.440 I saw like hard Target and a couple of those because there he had, 741 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:49.440 you know, he could do the splits, and he had kind of like 742 00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:52.719 moves, and he had like this sort of like charisma and whatnot. But 743 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:57.880 yeah, it was Seagal. I don't know what I mean, I don't 744 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:05.280 know what he brought that kept people comments. He I mean, like you 745 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.800 you look at his you pull up his page on IMDb, and it's like 746 00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:14.199 above the Law, hard to Kill, Mark for Death. It's like it's 747 00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:20.480 just like these generic sounding names where if you were to like switch words around 748 00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:25.119 you probably it would sound like a Stephen Seagal movie. Out for Justice that's 749 00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:30.719 another one, and you could be like, Okay, how about uh above 750 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.679 Justice, you know, marked to kill, you know, out for the 751 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:36.880 Law or you know what I mean. It's all they're all kind of you 752 00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:39.159 know, right, And so so that's like nineteen eighty eight, nineteen eighty 753 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:45.840 nine, and then you jump to now and you got like force of execution, 754 00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:49.360 code of honor, you know, and you're like, he's just doing 755 00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.960 the same shit right right right, and I do. I don't know if 756 00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:55.559 I'm assuming all of these are straight to video, but I'm like, there 757 00:55:55.679 --> 00:56:01.960 was a minute there where people went to people went to watch his movies yeah. 758 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:07.360 Yeah. I I went Brian. I I saw two Stephen Seagal movies 759 00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:12.000 in the theater, do you tell Yeah, one of which was On Deadly 760 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:17.079 Ground, which he not only starred in, and which h Academy Award winner 761 00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:23.760 Michael Caine starred in. Oh huh okay, I didn't know that. Yeah. 762 00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:31.360 Uh. And and Stephen Seagal it directed this movie? Wow? And 763 00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:37.679 wow? Is it? Well? What does what does the phrase Stephen Seagal 764 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:45.800 directed this movie conjure to your mind? It is that? Okay? I 765 00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:51.400 mean it was because I I went with my uncle and he was like on 766 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.079 board, sure, and I now this is this. This was nineteen ninety 767 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:59.519 four, so I'm like thirteen fourteen, and I'm like, I think this 768 00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:05.679 movie ish, Like that's right right right? You know? Yeah? And 769 00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:08.599 you know I have not bothered revisiting it. But I mean, it is 770 00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:15.519 a preposterous, ridiculous thing. Where where Seagal is. He's in Alaska and 771 00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:20.880 he works he works for Michael Kine, owns like an oil refinery. And 772 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:22.119 I don't know, if you know, like Segal that was his big thing 773 00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:27.239 in the nineties where he was like environmentalist. It rings a bell. It's 774 00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:29.719 been a while, it was you know, there's a sheriff for a minute. 775 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:35.920 Yeah, I think he still is. Right. He hosted an episode 776 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:42.679 of SNL, Yeah, which is renowned far and wide as the worst episode, 777 00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.079 the worst guest host like that they've ever had. That's the only host 778 00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:52.320 that cast members will actually admit by name was the worst host in their experience. 779 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:59.039 Yeah, that's right, and and so like famously like like he didn't 780 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:01.519 want to he he had no concept of humor, and he was very self 781 00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:06.719 important. When you talk about two leathal ingredients in an SNL host, right, 782 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:12.800 Yeah. And so there's a sketch in that episode where it's uh, 783 00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:19.079 these these like uh uh like oil company big wigs, none of whom are 784 00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:22.039 the cast, who are like, hey, we're gonna you know, you 785 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.400 know, ruin the environment. And then Steven Sadal comes in and just beats 786 00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:29.840 the shit out of him, and then he points to the camera and goes, 787 00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:35.360 that's what's gonna happen to anyone who ruins the environment, and then ge 788 00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:39.760 Smith is like bay Barrel, I mean, it's just nonsense, you know. 789 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:45.039 And now imagine that that's like a five minute sketch. Imagine that spread 790 00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:50.400 out over ninety minutes and right, right, right, right, it's just 791 00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:54.159 just nonsensical, right does he drown Michael canan oil? Like this is what 792 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:58.280 you love, isn't it? Kind of a thing? Like pretty good? 793 00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:02.599 That's a pretty good impression of all right, that's that's angry Seagal. There's 794 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:09.800 also uh now now now do happy Seagal my birthday. I can't believe it. 795 00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:17.360 That might have been too much actually a surprise for me, how delt 796 00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:27.039 I'm just a cook, That's all I got. So he did that and 797 00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:30.519 then and then like like two years later, Uh, he was in executive 798 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:34.559 decision if you remember, which I like. By the way, I remember 799 00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:37.559 liking that. It's been a while. I think the reason the reason that 800 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:42.440 movie is because Seagal is in it for about ten minutes and he gets blown 801 00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:49.559 out like the hatch of an airplane. Yes, and it's meant to be 802 00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:51.880 the shocking thing. But I don't know if you remember this. They gave 803 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.039 that shit away in the TV spots. Oh see, I don't remember that. 804 00:59:55.159 --> 01:00:00.159 Yeah, because basically it's like Kurt Kurt Russell's like, we're I'm not 805 01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:02.000 gonna make it and then said I it's like you are and you just see 806 01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:06.960 like the hatch clothes and they're like, well he's gonna die, right, 807 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:08.960 and you kind of you see like this hatch blow up in a little like 808 01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:14.480 from a distance this like dummy, Yeah, I just float out then, 809 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:19.280 you know yea directed by Stuart Baird, by the way, who did us 810 01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:22.920 marshals just like a year later. Interesting. But but my point is that 811 01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:27.960 that I don't even know how we went down this ration under siege because of 812 01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:32.880 Tommy Lee Jones. Wow. Sorry everybody. So that's how I feel about 813 01:00:32.920 --> 01:00:37.920 Tommy Lee Jones. Moving on, you know what, actually I thinking about 814 01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:40.679 what Humsa was talking about, the sort of barking Tommy Lee Jones. I 815 01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:46.079 think for me it's less the bursts, but it's sort of his exasperated, 816 01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:52.320 frustrated speeches like I mean, immediately off the top of my head, just 817 01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:54.079 to like actually answer the question like the fugitive, I mean, you know, 818 01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:58.199 I want a hard target search of every gas station, residents, wherehouse, 819 01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:01.280 farmhouse, you know, like that thing is really memorable from that and 820 01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:05.760 then also of course I mean the men in black thing, which is like 821 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:08.159 you could put that on a sign and hang it somewhere, you know, 822 01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:12.000 where he's like, you know, persons, smart people are dumb, panicky, 823 01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:15.320 dangerous animals and you know it. And those two lines coming out of 824 01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:20.840 his mouth are just, I mean absolutely elevated from what you know, just 825 01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:24.480 anyone else would have done well. And I think I think right there with 826 01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:29.360 Agent K and Sam Girard, you kind of have the poles of what makes 827 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:35.920 for a compelling Tommy Lee Jones character, which is he is um soft spoken 828 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:42.440 in in in uh in that he it takes a lot to rouse him, 829 01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:47.760 and he has sort of everyman quality and so that exasperated barking as we see 830 01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:52.559 in in The Fugitive that's one lane and you get your you know, volcano 831 01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:59.960 is there and you know double jeopardy. It kind of you know fady yeah 832 01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.840 yeah, which is kind of like the unofficial Third Fugitive movie, like you 833 01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:07.840 could just kind of headcanon him into being Sam Gerard in that movie. Yeah 834 01:02:07.840 --> 01:02:13.199 wow, I forgot about that. Yeah right. But but like Agent Kay 835 01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:19.480 is also like that that character works because of the way Tommy Lee Jones has 836 01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:23.280 this sort of folksy charm, right, and when you think about it, 837 01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:28.320 like when we did our commentary for for Batman Forever, that was sort of 838 01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:37.000 our frustration with with Tommy Lee Jones playing that interpretation of two phase, which 839 01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:39.880 is like, why not lean into his strengths, which is that sort of 840 01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:46.840 bubbling cauldron that's just underneath, as opposed to him screaming and prancing around and 841 01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:50.199 doing all that, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of 842 01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:53.159 acting kind of trying to match Jim Carrey in a way. That's right, 843 01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:58.000 you know, when yeah, he's why not playing to this sort of yeah 844 01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:02.280 yeah, like you said that bubbling and English he could not sanction his buffoonery 845 01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:12.000 and yet there he was befoooning it up. That's hilarious. And I just 846 01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:15.519 have to take this opportunity just for Homesa to say hi to Scotland, because 847 01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:22.559 my fiance Frederica, with a friend went and visited Scotland recently and absolutely adored 848 01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:25.639 it. She has not stopped talking about it, and she was saying, 849 01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:29.440 you know, she really wants us to go there at some point because she 850 01:03:29.559 --> 01:03:31.719 just is continuing to think about it and what a great time she had there. 851 01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:37.360 So sending sending love over to Scotland, Well, there we go. 852 01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:39.960 That's kind of cool. Yeah, hopefully you found out what we had to 853 01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:43.719 say about Tomi Lejo. Oh and one thing I'll say, he has one 854 01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:49.320 of the great line deliveries of his career in Captain America The First Avenger at 855 01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:52.280 the near the end of the film where Captain America is about to climb on 856 01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:57.719 the bad guy's plane and he kisses Hailey at well, yeah, and he 857 01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.039 kind of looks over at at Tommy Lee is driving thing It's just like, 858 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.639 I'm not kissing you. Yeah. That's good. That's a good one. 859 01:04:03.639 --> 01:04:08.519 That's a good one. I mean, when you think about it, actually, 860 01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:15.119 that character in Captain America is is such like it's just a it's it 861 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:20.159 benefits so much just from plugging Tommy Lee Jones in because it's not it's not 862 01:04:20.239 --> 01:04:27.159 a sizeable role, but it's integral and it leans heavily on just our fondness 863 01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:30.480 for him as a as a performance. Yeah, right, And that that's 864 01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:34.119 certainly something that those early MCU movies did a lot of, where they'd have 865 01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:41.440 these well known beloved actors in kind of small key roles. Yep. You 866 01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:44.960 know. But with that, let's take another short break. We'll come back. 867 01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:56.920 We got some headlines to discuss, all right, and we are back 868 01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:00.639 and Hey, there's some there's some news, there's some there's some deals that 869 01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:04.880 are that are developing. Brian wheeling and dealing at lots of lots of stuff 870 01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:08.719 in that vein happening. I thought this was interesting. We have some new 871 01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:14.360 Disney sequels coming. Okay, so this is iger igering over there, or 872 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:17.639 you're not getting people excited or what is this? Did this come from some 873 01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:21.679 sort of earnings call or something or what's Yeah? So this this is Bob 874 01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:28.719 Iger after uh, several rounds of layoffs and losses in the last month that 875 01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:33.079 Disney. Disney has not had a great couple of months. M uh so, 876 01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:36.800 Bob. They got rid of the other Bob. What's his name, 877 01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:45.440 Jaypec, Right, that's his name. I think so so so he was 878 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:48.199 the head. He had signed a new contract and they said, actually psych 879 01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:53.119 never mind right, showed him the door. Although he's doing okay because I 880 01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:58.079 think his golden parachute is quite golden. Um. But they brought back Bob 881 01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:00.679 Iger to to write the ship. And one of the things he's announced is 882 01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:06.480 that Disney as a whole raft of new sequels coming, among them Frozen three, 883 01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:15.679 okay, Inside Out two, you write Zootopia two, and perhaps most 884 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:26.159 polarizing toy story five. Yes, yes, because I think that one is 885 01:06:26.199 --> 01:06:30.920 interesting because four, I feel people were like, oh, you know, 886 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:36.559 three had a nice little bow on that you know, unexpected probably you know 887 01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:41.960 arc, but there was an arc and it had a nice little ending and 888 01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:44.239 h and then four came out. I was like, oh, well, 889 01:06:44.280 --> 01:06:47.519 what are we doing here? And then they sort of broke things up a 890 01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:50.199 little bit, right story wise, you know what, he went on, 891 01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:57.119 found love and left everybody. That's right. So, and it's funny because 892 01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:01.199 I think I remember saying on this show that four didn't feel necessary, but 893 01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:05.039 it was so well done that you're like, that's a good story. Yeah, 894 01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:09.000 I just witnessed a good story, so I can't be mad at it. 895 01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:12.880 So then with five, it does make me think like, oh, 896 01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:15.360 you almost have this feeling of well, don't don't break it, you know, 897 01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:19.679 like you've you did something perfect and then you added to it and that 898 01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:24.239 happened to work. So like few, and then with five you're like, 899 01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:28.440 ooh, oh you you're gonna try it again, you know, But this 900 01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:32.440 is the problem I see, Brian. Yeah, I think that in order 901 01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:38.760 to get a toy story five, you have to undo the ending of Toy 902 01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:43.880 Story four. Yeah, right, And and I you know, I was 903 01:07:43.880 --> 01:07:46.199 talking about this with my with my students today. So these are people who 904 01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:50.360 were you know, let's say between eighteen and twenty, and they were vehemently 905 01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:57.280 opposed to any notion of a Toy Story five. Interesting. So there are 906 01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:01.400 those who say there shouldn't have even been a fourth one. Uh, the 907 01:08:01.519 --> 01:08:04.159 third one was just fine. And then there are those who say the fourth 908 01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:09.079 one was a good ending. But all of them, almost to the one, 909 01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:12.119 nobody was like I'm excited for that. And I found that interesting because 910 01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:15.920 they're all I mean, maybe I was gonna say more than us, but 911 01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:18.359 I mean, we we grew up watching these movies. I mean, these 912 01:08:18.359 --> 01:08:24.680 are multi generational films at this point. All of them have grown up with 913 01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:27.319 within this world, and all of them are like, it came to an 914 01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:32.000 ending. And I just find that so interesting because it puts to the line 915 01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:38.920 this idea of like, oh, you just keep going, and that's what 916 01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:43.079 people want, right, you know what I mean? Well, and I 917 01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:47.600 I don't like the feeling of a movie coming up from a series that I 918 01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:50.319 love, and my my first thought is, oh, don't screw it. 919 01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:57.960 Up. Yeah, you know, like rather than yay, right, um, 920 01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:00.960 you know, I mean look this, I also have resigned to the 921 01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:04.199 fact that this is just what's gonna happen. And I mean, you know, 922 01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:08.760 you and I were texting this week. I think we last episode we 923 01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:11.479 were talking about like I mean, maybe we're done. I think new things 924 01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:14.640 are done. Like we're just gonna keep all we're gonna do. We're gonna 925 01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:17.039 like be like the bad Guys and Tenant and we're just like reversing the flow 926 01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:21.359 and we're just kinda like steamroll everything that already happened and just regurgitate and like 927 01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:28.319 I think I sent you that they're remaking Matlock's right, and it's like what 928 01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:33.760 but that's just I'm not even mad anymore. It's like yeah, yeah, 929 01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:38.760 you know, and so boys stories eight, Yeah, you know what's gonna 930 01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:42.840 happen. So it's like, all right, just please let it be good, 931 01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.600 you know. And I you know, I guess that's kind of where 932 01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:47.079 maybe it's like a little resigned sort of well they just make it good. 933 01:09:47.319 --> 01:09:53.039 I mean, I you know, I just like I'm more and more I 934 01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:57.800 think about Back to the Future three and I'm like, you know, will 935 01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:00.680 something else happen with this franchise kind of like, well, probably at some 936 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:08.479 point something, but for the time being, that story is done, and 937 01:10:08.479 --> 01:10:13.640 and that's just great, you know, like there's value in the ending, 938 01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:17.359 you know, And that's sort of where I'm at with Toy Story Forward. 939 01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:20.880 I'm like, you know, and this time we talked, when we talked 940 01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:25.439 about the movie on on this podcast, right, and that there was real 941 01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:30.600 I felt real sadness at Buzz and Woody separating. Yes, me too, 942 01:10:31.119 --> 01:10:33.680 Like they're they're not going to see each other again. And so I feel 943 01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:41.840 like any contrivance you come up with to get them back together takes away the 944 01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:49.960 value of that ending. What if it's Buzz's funeral that's dark? Sorry, 945 01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:57.680 um no, obviously I don't want that. Yeah. Yeah, like you 946 01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:01.119 can't, um, you can't do Toy Story without buzzing Woody. So it's 947 01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:05.560 not going to be like the Adventures of Buzz by himself. Yeah yeah, 948 01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:12.119 So then you have to you have to undo the end of the fourth film, 949 01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:15.880 and I just don't. To me, that's like in the next Avengers 950 01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.239 movie, Uh, you know, Robert Downey shows up and he's just like, 951 01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:23.119 hey, everybody, I'm back. Actually yes, I never died, 952 01:11:23.399 --> 01:11:25.560 you know, right, Well, and then that's I guess maybe that's the 953 01:11:25.600 --> 01:11:30.640 problem is they keep ending it. Maybe they shouldn't be ending it, although 954 01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:34.319 they were great endings, you know so, but yeah, yeah, it's 955 01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:39.199 it feels like a just kidding on accident, whether they mean it or not. 956 01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:44.600 Yeah. Yeah, the other sequels that they proposed, I'm not I 957 01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:47.880 don't have as much emotional investment in, but just as at a glance, 958 01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:53.399 it seems like there's more room to do stuff there. M sure. Yeah, 959 01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:56.439 right, like you say, well, I haven't seen a second Frozen, 960 01:11:56.479 --> 01:12:00.439 but I'm my daughter will be thrilled, I'm sure. But but Zootopia, 961 01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.840 Yeah, well of course you can do a sequel to that. Yeah. 962 01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:06.560 Yeah, it makes sense and it's pretty beloved, right, you know, 963 01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:11.640 so why not read spend more time with the characters inside out? Feels 964 01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:14.880 like you could do something with a whole new group of characters. You do 965 01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:17.600 it in a different kid or something, and I think you could do that 966 01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:20.640 or actually, yeah, maybe that is the best way to do it, 967 01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:24.279 like a fresher approach. But I was going to say, you know, 968 01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:29.600 it was sort of about a kid turning into an adolescent and how feelings get 969 01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:31.359 more complicated, Right, you start with sort of these basic feelings and then 970 01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:33.960 they become way more complicated, and it's like, well, I don't know, 971 01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:38.920 I mean, what happens when they become twenty you know? Or I 972 01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:43.560 guess you could. You could sort of do that, so there's room there. 973 01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:45.560 But when you say Toy Story, you know what it feels like to 974 01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:50.319 me, it feels like they got freaked out by how nobody watched light Year. 975 01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:57.199 They want to sort of no, no, no, Our final stamp 976 01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:00.279 on the buzz character is the one you know and love, right, exactly 977 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:04.079 interesting, interesting, it feels like that to me, you know, sure, 978 01:13:04.239 --> 01:13:09.840 yeah, you know, so I don't know that that's ah, I 979 01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:13.319 feel like that's development it. I don't know if you remember, but the 980 01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:18.600 only reason Toy Story three even happened was because Disney was going to do their 981 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:23.760 own version. Do you remember this? Oh? Was that three or two? 982 01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:30.079 That was three? Okay? Yeah? Because Disney what they had, 983 01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:34.159 you know, Pixar was not part of Disney, right, they had like 984 01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:38.239 a contract with Disney, right, and so they were going to go their 985 01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:39.800 own way. So Disney is like, well, We're just going to do 986 01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:43.760 our own Toy Story three and then you know, they acquired Pixar. Part 987 01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:46.960 of the deal was Pixar would do Toy Story three, right, and it 988 01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:55.159 turned out fantastic, m but it was it was a coin toss, you 989 01:13:55.159 --> 01:13:58.039 know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't. I mean, they 990 01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:01.520 had some sort of like street to video division, right, and weren't they 991 01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:04.159 going to do that? That's right. The plan was to do something. 992 01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:08.760 It's kind of you know, return of Jaffar type. Yeah, yeah, 993 01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:14.720 exactly, you know it. I feel like they've gotten lucky with these Toy 994 01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:17.520 Story movies, which is why I'm skeptical, you know. Yeah. Uh 995 01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:21.600 that said, I didn't realize at the time we discussed the fourth film, 996 01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:29.439 but I mean it is fairly polarizing among fans of these movies, you know. 997 01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:32.159 I guess I don't really know. I just kind of remember my feelings 998 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:35.680 on it, which was, like, I guess, I don't feel like 999 01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:39.760 it was necessary, but I thought it was well done. That was kind 1000 01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:42.359 of my But yeah, I guess, I don't know. I don't know 1001 01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:45.720 what the consensus is out there, but it's interesting to hear from your students. 1002 01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:49.399 I mean, people that have had these movies in their lives since they've 1003 01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:54.840 been born. Yeah, and that's that's their feeling. Yeah, I mean 1004 01:14:54.880 --> 01:15:00.359 that that the plurality were like, no, no, no, no, 1005 01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:04.439 you know. Yeah, that said, here's another thing that's not going away 1006 01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:11.920 anytime soon, Brian, and that is DC. I don't know, DC 1007 01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:18.279 based stuff. Yeah, not not DC the city, but DC the company. 1008 01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:23.079 Yeah. And you're not even just strictly cinematic, right, I mean 1009 01:15:23.079 --> 01:15:26.239 this covers all DC. This is TV, this is video games, this 1010 01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:30.439 is movies. So this is a lot yes, and so yeah, we 1011 01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:35.079 talked about this a couple months ago. James Gunn is now the head hauncho 1012 01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:41.479 of DC. He is he is the Kevin Figy of DC. Yep. 1013 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:44.680 Now, interesting to note we were just talking about Bob Iger. He mentioned 1014 01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:48.880 how back in twenty fifteen, uh Isaac Promoter, who is the head of 1015 01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:54.319 Marvel at the time, wanted to fire Kevin Figi. Right, the only 1016 01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:58.800 reason he's still around is because Iger built a wall around Kevin Figy to keep 1017 01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:00.920 him from having to answer to anybody other than Alan Horne, who is the 1018 01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:04.880 head of the Motion Picture division at Disney at the time. Now, what 1019 01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:11.760 could be the excuse in twenty fifteen when Marvels on a tear to let him 1020 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:16.159 go. Well, what happened was that I promotter Man, this guy is 1021 01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:23.199 interesting. He did not want any female led movies. Ah, this is 1022 01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:26.079 kind of coming back to me, okay, which is the reason it took 1023 01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:29.520 soul. I mean it took until Captain Marvel before they had a solo female 1024 01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:32.880 lead, right right. And he also did not believe Black Panther would be 1025 01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:38.119 a hit wow, which is a historically stupid thing to say, right, 1026 01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:42.960 yeah, yeah. And so essentially what was actually happening behind the scenes is 1027 01:16:43.000 --> 01:16:47.439 that he was just he kept the purse strings really tightly closed, and so 1028 01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:51.720 it made it hard to make deals with people. So I don't know if 1029 01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:57.079 you remember this, but right this, the timing works out around twenty fifteen, 1030 01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:02.680 what's his name, Robert Downey was done with his contract, and so 1031 01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:08.760 Kevin Figi was trying to make another deal with him, and Pearl Mutter was 1032 01:17:08.880 --> 01:17:12.199 not letting that happen. And then this all happens in the background, if 1033 01:17:12.199 --> 01:17:15.479 you notice, right then they announced, Oh, Downy's going to be in 1034 01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:19.960 Civil War and down He's going to be in the next two Avengers movies. 1035 01:17:20.000 --> 01:17:25.199 Oh and Down He's going to be in Spider Man Homecoming. That all happened 1036 01:17:25.239 --> 01:17:30.079 at the same time the Spider Man deal times out with this too, right, 1037 01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:33.359 you know, So I think I think I think to your point, 1038 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:35.600 I think Iger was like, well, this guy is doing a good job. 1039 01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:39.560 Why are you trying to get in his way? You know, and 1040 01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:43.640 so very smartly. Obviously that worked out, and it's set the template which 1041 01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:49.720 DC has been desperately trying to emulate for for for nine years now. Yeah, 1042 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:54.960 like having everything interconnected. Yeah, and I think you know, they're 1043 01:17:55.199 --> 01:18:00.600 The plan was for Zack Snyder to be the guy that clearly did not happen, 1044 01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:02.880 and then it was let's get Jeff John's have him be the guy that 1045 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:05.199 had its own set of issues. And then they brought in you know, 1046 01:18:05.239 --> 01:18:09.199 Walter Hamada had to be there. I mean, it's it's revolving doors over 1047 01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:14.079 there, right. So James Gunn, along with Peter Saffron, was brought 1048 01:18:14.119 --> 01:18:17.800 in. He made his pitch to David Zaslav, who's the head of this 1049 01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:20.720 new company one of us Discovery, this is his idea, and they went 1050 01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:27.640 along with us. So now he's the guy. Now he unveiled the whole 1051 01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:31.479 slate that they have planned for the next five years or something. I am, 1052 01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:39.680 Brian deeply skeptical that the majority of these projects will be made. I'm 1053 01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:43.039 not saying that they won't be made. I'm saying at this point it's probably 1054 01:18:43.079 --> 01:18:45.119 too early to be pointing to a whiteboard. Mean, I've got all this 1055 01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:50.680 ship we got coming in the next seven years. You just inadvertently answered the 1056 01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:56.279 question that was brewing in my mind, which was not are you excited about 1057 01:18:56.319 --> 01:19:00.000 all this? But is it wise to try to plan so far in advance 1058 01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:05.520 before thing one isn't veiled upon the world. That's right. You know, 1059 01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:10.720 we've we've been to this dance already, not just with DC, with fifteen 1060 01:19:10.760 --> 01:19:15.119 others shared cinematic universes. Yes, and I know we sort of look at 1061 01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:21.119 DC is standing beside Marvel. But like Marvel didn't plan this, you know 1062 01:19:21.199 --> 01:19:26.239 what I mean? Like I think it's like they they took swings and then 1063 01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:30.279 saw something was working and had a dream and it worked. And like you 1064 01:19:30.319 --> 01:19:35.960 said, so many other would be franchises have tried to do this and it 1065 01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:40.159 just doesn't work that way. You know, when you try to engineer it 1066 01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:43.520 so precisely right at the start, it's like you kind of have to, 1067 01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:47.680 you know, improvise a little bit and see what's working and what isn't and 1068 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:50.560 find your footing and find your flow. And then once you got that, 1069 01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:55.640 and once you got everybody hooked, then you start going all right, then 1070 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:58.000 then we're gonna do this saga. We're gonna do that saga. But yeah, 1071 01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:00.239 I was sort of like, wow, it's sort of interesting, sort 1072 01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:02.560 of bold to come out of the gate and be like, here's the this 1073 01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:05.039 isn't what it is, but like, here's the next ten years. Thanks, 1074 01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:09.680 right, Well, we'll see, we'll see what the brave and bold 1075 01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:14.960 Brian. Yes, So let's go down the list here now, now this 1076 01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:21.520 is this is chapter one of what I'm assuming James Gunn and I mean smartly, 1077 01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:27.319 he's he's using his Marvel experience as something to build on, which, 1078 01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:31.760 of course it makes sense. So presumably chapter one is the cooling A Phase 1079 01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:36.560 one, but he calls it Gods and Monsters, And so what we got 1080 01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:45.000 here? We got creature Commandos and this is an animated series that's going to 1081 01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:51.319 span seven episodes, and it's basically a team of commandos Brian, who are 1082 01:20:51.319 --> 01:21:00.239 also creatures. We got, we got we got Rick Flagg Senior. We 1083 01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:04.439 got for the Frankenstein Monster Gi Robot, which I have to admit that I 1084 01:21:04.479 --> 01:21:13.680 just love the name of that character. That's great, that's like he manum 1085 01:21:14.079 --> 01:21:15.920 And this is, like I said, this is going to be animated. 1086 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:21.800 But but what's interesting is that whoever they cast to play the voices have to 1087 01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:26.880 play these characters in live action as well. Yes, that is interesting across 1088 01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:30.840 all platforms, even video games apparently, so the plan is for unanimity across 1089 01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:36.399 platforms. I find that interesting. Yeah, let's see what else we have 1090 01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:44.359 Waller yep, and this is going to be a Peacemaker spinoff right now. 1091 01:21:44.399 --> 01:21:47.880 I find this interesting because because this is Biola Davis playing Amanda Waller's character Peacemaker. 1092 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:53.239 She's in the Suicide Squad both movies, so that means that she is 1093 01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:59.920 carrying over from the pre Gun era. I didn't even think about that. 1094 01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:04.800 So maybe that's a little clue that it is possible for Galghadatts or you know, 1095 01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:09.399 Jason Momoa or any of those people that continue. Yeah. Right, 1096 01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:14.520 because they are doing a Peacemaker season two. This is meant to be kind 1097 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:18.359 of like Peacemaker season one point five or something. Here's the big one, 1098 01:22:18.359 --> 01:22:21.720 Brian. This is gonna be the first feature out the shoot, and it's 1099 01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:28.760 going to be a Superman legacy Yes, written by James Gunn himself, written 1100 01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:30.920 by James Gunn, possibly directed by James Gunn. We'll see how that goes. 1101 01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:36.600 But according to Peter Saffron, it's not an origin story. It focused 1102 01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:42.119 on Superman balancing his Kryptonian heritage with his human upbringing. He is the embodiment 1103 01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:45.239 of truth, justice in the American way. He is kindness in a world 1104 01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:49.920 that thinks that kindness is old fashioned, and he will wear his underwear on 1105 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:53.640 the outside. He didn't say that, but I'm a sitmame. Didn't he 1106 01:22:53.920 --> 01:22:58.279 pull Twitter about briefe? I think that was meant as a goof and then 1107 01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:00.720 of course, yeah, it was an informal pole, I should say, 1108 01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:03.760 But I wonder if he was kind of curious though, you know. Yeah, 1109 01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:06.279 And I don't even know how where where things landed with that pole, 1110 01:23:06.439 --> 01:23:11.920 But I don't either. I am. I am firmly team Trunks. Brian. 1111 01:23:12.520 --> 01:23:15.000 Yeah, same, I'm like, put that shit on the outside. 1112 01:23:15.039 --> 01:23:18.600 That's how good way. I mean everything you just said describing this take on 1113 01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:24.560 Superman is exactly what I want to see. So I have high hopes for 1114 01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:31.319 this that that is true. However, worth mentioning that everything everything I just 1115 01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:38.319 said was was echoed by the previous DC trust like three months ago, when 1116 01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:44.520 Henry Cavill was all like, hey guys, I'm back, Yeah, yeah, 1117 01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:47.159 and then they pulled that rug right out from under him. That's true. 1118 01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:53.319 They pulled those red trunks right off of him, you know. So, 1119 01:23:53.600 --> 01:23:59.039 yes, I think I think you need a strong Superman franchise in order 1120 01:23:59.039 --> 01:24:01.079 to have any strong D universe. I think that just that goes without saying 1121 01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:08.560 I and of course you know me, I no bigger Superman fan than I 1122 01:24:09.119 --> 01:24:14.319 have an entire wall of my cave that is covered with Superman paraphernalien. That 1123 01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:17.720 being said, this is now, by the time this comes out, it 1124 01:24:17.760 --> 01:24:24.640 will be what it was a twenty twenty five right, So we're talking three 1125 01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:33.239 Superman movies in twenty years. M wow, right from Superman Returns to Superman. 1126 01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:35.159 Like, so you got Man of Steel in the middle. Now, 1127 01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:39.039 Man of Steel is a movie that you and I both like, but it 1128 01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:47.640 was clearly it was received with polarization. Yeah, and I don't I don't 1129 01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:51.840 know that the general audience. I don't think the general audience is paying attention 1130 01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:55.680 to Zach Seider, this that the other thing. But I think they are 1131 01:24:55.680 --> 01:25:00.680 like, oh, another Superman, m you know what I mean, hmm 1132 01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:10.119 will. I like the idea though, of a different era of his life, 1133 01:25:10.159 --> 01:25:12.359 like a different feeling. It's kind of a different feeling. I don't 1134 01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:17.600 want it to just feel like every other CG laden superhero movie it just happens 1135 01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:23.880 to be Superman. I want this to be Superman specific, like his feelings, 1136 01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:27.199 his conflicts, his you know, like I don't want to see him 1137 01:25:27.199 --> 01:25:31.680 battling craziness in the first one, Like let's let's get there. Like I 1138 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:38.439 really hope this is kind of a character driven story and becomes like the anchor 1139 01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:42.439 for whatever it is they want to build out from. Well and and to 1140 01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:48.960 that point, I think that's the reason that Gun is not doing something with 1141 01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:56.640 Henry Cavill. Yeah, I think it's too. It's it's so that he 1142 01:25:56.720 --> 01:26:00.800 can he can truly set the boundaries of this union is the way he wants, 1143 01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:03.479 rather than sort of having to incorporate. Yeah, it was done there 1144 01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:06.479 and that's not a judgment on that film, but it is like, well, 1145 01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:10.560 he wants to broaden the canvas or whatever it is, you know what 1146 01:26:10.640 --> 01:26:15.600 I mean. And I also, I genuinely think he wants to have a 1147 01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:21.479 Superman who has a secret identity. He wants to have sort of the classic 1148 01:26:21.520 --> 01:26:26.000 set up with Jimmy Olson, etc. He wants to have all those pieces 1149 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:31.560 in place. Yeah, right, So Man of Steel just you know, 1150 01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:41.600 just skewed the Superman having a Superman and Clark Kent being separate identities for Lois 1151 01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:44.039 Lant, they just did. They did away with that right from the beginning. 1152 01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:46.720 That worked for that story. But I have no doubt that that's part 1153 01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:53.239 of what he wants to to maintain in this Yeah, yeah, you know, 1154 01:26:53.359 --> 01:26:58.680 or retain the secret identity. I just had a thought, do you 1155 01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:02.680 think, I mean the Flash movie, do you think this is going to 1156 01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:09.479 be a bigger sort of catalyst for what lies ahead than they ever imagined when 1157 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:14.439 they first set out making that movie, where it'll be all right, Flash 1158 01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:17.119 messed up everything, you got eighty nine Batman, you got this person, 1159 01:27:17.159 --> 01:27:20.159 you got that person, and then at the end it'll be I don't know 1160 01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:24.800 why I thought of that that SNL season where they didn't know who they were 1161 01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:27.640 going to keep which cast members. So they pretended like there was a fire 1162 01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:30.119 in the studio do you remember that? And they're like, well, who's 1163 01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:32.079 gonna make it through, you know, like to the next season, like 1164 01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:35.800 let's see and Lauren Michaels like takes John Love's hand and pulls them across and 1165 01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:38.880 like, you know, so you think it's gonna be like that where Flash 1166 01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:44.039 is like, um, mamoa, take my hand, can take my hand? 1167 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:48.279 Sorry to other people, then like go into whatever prime universe. You 1168 01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:53.920 know, I wouldn't doubt it, honestly, I think because because Gunn has 1169 01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:57.600 said that the Flash movie he is said by the way that it's one of 1170 01:27:57.640 --> 01:28:01.279 the best superhero movies you've ever seen, which I find interesting because he doesn't 1171 01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:03.439 have really any skin in that game, you know what. I'm sure, 1172 01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:09.079 well, or does he does this like kick off whatever he's planning to do, 1173 01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:12.520 But he he didn't need to say that. It's kind of my point, 1174 01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:15.039 right, that's true. That's true. He could leave that in the 1175 01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:17.720 dust and say you know, Flash is coming too, but he's like and 1176 01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:21.640 buy the way, yeah, right, But he said, are they that's 1177 01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:27.520 the one that resets the universe? He said that hm An Aquaman comes out 1178 01:28:27.600 --> 01:28:31.600 after that, right right, right, right Aquaman two. So that that 1179 01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:36.880 is very telling to me anyway. It did Mamoa do some post like a 1180 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:42.039 video of himself on Warner Brothers that like I'm so happy, like not saying 1181 01:28:42.039 --> 01:28:45.439 anything, but you're like, well okay, and everybody's trying to as a 1182 01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:47.800 pruder that, right, you know. And I was like, is he 1183 01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:51.800 so happy that he gets to keep being Aquaman? Yeah? I don't know. 1184 01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:55.479 I think he's a great Aquaman. I want him to stick around. 1185 01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:59.359 I think I read a separate quote. I think it was from Peter Saffren. 1186 01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:02.439 He says Jason wants to do a trilogy. He'll get his trilogy, 1187 01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:08.399 all right, referring to Aquament. Yeah. So that to me, says, 1188 01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:12.159 well, then they're probably keeping that character around. Yeah. I think 1189 01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:15.199 Alga dot Is is more of like a moving target right now. I don't 1190 01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:18.880 know. I don't know what because because they've got a new Superman coming, 1191 01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:21.760 They've got a new Batman coming, right right, right, right? I 1192 01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:26.159 forgot about the Batman one. Yeah. Well here's another thing. We got 1193 01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:31.199 lanterns. Yeah. Yeah. This is about a company that makes light fixtures 1194 01:29:31.279 --> 01:29:39.840 in the it's kind of a man on the street perspective. So this is, 1195 01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:43.920 uh, this is going to be a Green Lantern TV series for HBO 1196 01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:46.960 Max or HBO. I guess they haven't said uh. And and Saffrance is 1197 01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:50.880 our vision for this is very much in the vein of True Detective, and 1198 01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:55.640 it'll have the Hell Jordan and John Stewart Green Lantern character is solving some kind 1199 01:29:55.640 --> 01:29:59.920 of space crimes that apparently leads into whatever the big big thing they're they're building 1200 01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:04.399 up to. M M. True Detective. So bleak and fart, sniffy, 1201 01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:13.239 there's my hot take. No, um no, yeah, all right, 1202 01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:15.800 I'm into it. I'm into it. You know. It's funny because 1203 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:20.800 because once you get past Superman, this list starts reading like the conversation you 1204 01:30:20.880 --> 01:30:26.319 have with the kid on the playground. I was in charge, this is 1205 01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:30.279 what I would do. It kind of does right, I mean, not 1206 01:30:30.399 --> 01:30:32.279 to skip ahead, but sort of like swamp thing. You're like, yeah, 1207 01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:35.760 oh well, I'll be yeah. I mean, there's I got that. 1208 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:39.239 I got those vibes because because the next up on the list you have 1209 01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:43.520 the authority, which I'm gonna go ahead and say, Brian has no idea 1210 01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:48.199 what the authority is. I do not. Okay, see that. So 1211 01:30:48.239 --> 01:30:51.600 The Authority was not originally it was not even a DC property. It was 1212 01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:56.760 actually Wildstone was created by Jim Lee at his company, um, and then 1213 01:30:56.960 --> 01:31:00.000 it jumped over it became a DC property because they've just bought his company. 1214 01:31:00.520 --> 01:31:05.119 Okay, but it's kind of it's meant to be like a gritty, realistic 1215 01:31:05.199 --> 01:31:12.279 and I'm using air quotes version of The Justice League. Okay, So you 1216 01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:17.680 have characters who are in essence like pastiche characters sort of Watch Many a little 1217 01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:20.720 bit, but not as dark as that. But yeah, in that vein, 1218 01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:25.840 so the Authorities. The Authority is a spin off of the original version 1219 01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:30.640 is called Stormwatch and became The Authorities written by Warren Ellis. And for example, 1220 01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:35.199 you have two characters in the Authority are Apollo and Midnighter, And Apollo 1221 01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:41.520 is like the hopeful superpowered hero and Midnighter is the dark vigilante in a mask. 1222 01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:45.880 So these are pastiches of Superman and Batman. The difference being that Apollo 1223 01:31:45.920 --> 01:31:54.439 and Midnighter are a gay couple. So you know, the it's it's essentially 1224 01:31:55.119 --> 01:31:58.720 like this is what I find interesting. It's like, well, The Authority 1225 01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:02.119 is a great book. You know, but it works as a pastiche of 1226 01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:06.000 the Justice League. I was gonna say, if your kickstarting Batman and Superman 1227 01:32:06.039 --> 01:32:10.520 off, it feels a little, right, redundant. Yeah, that's kind 1228 01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:15.560 of my thought, right, And I'm also like it it feels this is 1229 01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:20.159 where we get into like I'll believe it when it happens, right, because 1230 01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:26.079 I'm just like, I don't know, you know, sure, sure, 1231 01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:31.000 we're starting to get into like maybe you know, I think it would be 1232 01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:33.920 a great I think it's a great idea for something. I wouldn't say a 1233 01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:36.119 movie. I would say maybe like a series, you know, like they 1234 01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:40.439 did The Watchman. Serious, yes, yes, something in that vein. 1235 01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:43.920 But I the idea that this is meant to exist in the same universe that 1236 01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:46.359 you have a Justice League also that is meant to show up at some point 1237 01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:50.960 I'm assuming, Yeah, that's odd to me. I do appreciate the bold 1238 01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:55.520 move, but I have to admit, if the Authority was coming out this 1239 01:32:55.600 --> 01:33:00.439 summer, I might catch it. Sure, you know what I mean, 1240 01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:04.640 But like if you put out Batman and you put out Superman and kind of 1241 01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:11.199 get me primed and then you start building out, you know, to the 1242 01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:13.880 other corners, I mean, I know, I'm just saying what Marvel does, 1243 01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:15.439 but like it kind of works. It works for a reason. I 1244 01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:21.680 don't know, but we'll see that. I definitely like, like you just 1245 01:33:21.720 --> 01:33:26.119 staying in the Gun neighborhood, right, we we we went through a whole 1246 01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:30.560 phase and a half before we got to Guardians with the Galaxy. Yeah, 1247 01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:34.199 sure, yeah, And it feels like the authority is something in that vein, 1248 01:33:34.279 --> 01:33:39.600 you know, totally totally right. Uh, what else they got? 1249 01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:44.319 Oh, here's here's one you might find interesting, Brian Paradise Lost. Okay, 1250 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:49.760 so this is this is an HBOO Max series that's the origin of Themiscira. 1251 01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:55.520 Actually that that doesn't like something i'd be interested in, right, kind 1252 01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:59.560 of a Game of Thrones Wonder Woman origin without Wonder Woman in it. Yeah, 1253 01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:00.880 And like I have, like, you know, like a surface knowledge 1254 01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:03.479 of it. So I'm like, all right, let's dig in. So 1255 01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:06.800 this is where I appreciate that Gun really is coming at it as just like 1256 01:34:06.840 --> 01:34:12.119 a comic book node mmmm, because this is stuff where you know, he 1257 01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:15.640 sees the potential there and I'm like, well, that's that's a good idea. 1258 01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:18.359 And in that vein, obviously you can't have a DC universe without Batman, 1259 01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:24.439 and so we have the Brave and the Bold. Yeah. Yeah, 1260 01:34:24.479 --> 01:34:28.079 so tell me about this. I have not read read this. So this 1261 01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:33.880 is based on a comic book storyline called Batman and Son hum which is all 1262 01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:39.279 about how Batman and his wife Olive Oil they have a son. Oh wait, 1263 01:34:39.319 --> 01:34:42.239 that's Papaye and son. Sorry. Oh. I was like, you're 1264 01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:49.399 you're kidding me. Sorry, wrong. Thing Now this is he has a 1265 01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:57.479 son with Atalia Ah okay, and she raises him to be just this little 1266 01:34:57.479 --> 01:35:00.359 shit who's like ten years old and he's going to be assassin. And then 1267 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:03.560 she just drops him off at Batman's doorstep and she's like here, here, 1268 01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:09.000 he is, peace out. And so now Batman has this son he's never 1269 01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:15.800 known, whom he has to train to not be a murderer, and so 1270 01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:18.840 he becomes his new Robin. I gotta be honest, that sounds really cool, 1271 01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:24.439 right. At the same time, that is a movie I want to 1272 01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:28.720 see period. At the same time, if you're trying to kick off something 1273 01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:31.319 that you want to last for the next ten plus years, I guess. 1274 01:35:31.319 --> 01:35:34.119 I mean, obviously the kid will grow older, but there's always It reminds 1275 01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:39.880 me of a Superman returns, right where kind of like saddling a superhero with 1276 01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:42.520 a kid, it can sometimes become like a weight, dragging it down a 1277 01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:46.439 little bit. Like that's well, here's my thought on this. I think 1278 01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:54.199 that they're probably looking at this in terms of, well, Matt Reeves is 1279 01:35:54.279 --> 01:35:58.760 still doing his thing. Yeah, that's a good point. So Matt Reeves 1280 01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:01.159 has a bat universe, and we know there's going to be a sequel to 1281 01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:04.319 the Batman, there's going to be the Penguin television show, and I'm assuming 1282 01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:09.000 other stuff, right, and and that's Batman early years, which I think, 1283 01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:12.000 without realizing is what I was sort of saying, I want to spend 1284 01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:16.760 some time with yeah before yeah, exactly. So I'm guessing that you you 1285 01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:20.239 cast well, I don't know, I mean, how much older do you 1286 01:36:20.239 --> 01:36:23.520 want to cast? Right? I mean I would say, you cast a 1287 01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:27.560 Batman who's in his mid thirties, you're probably good. Yeah. So that 1288 01:36:27.560 --> 01:36:31.359 would that's like how Pattinson is anyway, isn't it. Yeah, I would 1289 01:36:31.359 --> 01:36:35.840 guess. Yeah, right, so so I think but my guess my point 1290 01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:41.640 is this Matt Reeves is really drilling down into this is gritty grounded, like 1291 01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:45.760 you thought Nolan was gritty and grounded. Well you know, screw you, 1292 01:36:45.119 --> 01:36:51.359 that's his right, and so your face. Yeah exactly. So I think 1293 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:58.920 this is going to be the more fanciful, you know, more comic bookie. 1294 01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:00.800 And I don't mean that in a pejor sense version of Batman. That 1295 01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:04.600 sounds fun to me, honestly, I'm I'm ready for that. I And 1296 01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:11.520 the reason I say this is that if you've read the Grant Morrison run on 1297 01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:15.079 Batman, which spanned several years, I mean, it really is its own 1298 01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:24.600 little Batman epic. What Grant Morrison, what they wanted to do was create 1299 01:37:24.640 --> 01:37:28.960 a version of the character that could encompass the dark and the light, like 1300 01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:33.680 all the different iterations, you know. And and that was something Grant Morrison 1301 01:37:33.760 --> 01:37:36.800 was really hit hard on. Like, like what Grant Morrison said, as 1302 01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:42.000 far as they're concerned, every story that Batman has ever been in happened. 1303 01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:45.760 And so that's a spectrum that's able to encompass all these different tones, right 1304 01:37:46.119 --> 01:37:49.960 yeah, right, right. And this is this is a meta conversation that 1305 01:37:50.000 --> 01:37:53.239 you and I have all the time where I'm like, look, Batman can 1306 01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:56.800 be the animated series and the brave and the bold Cartoon Show and the Adam 1307 01:37:56.840 --> 01:38:01.079 West Show and the Matt Reeves and it's all Batman. Yeah, so that 1308 01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:04.920 was the Grant Morrison approach, and the fact that James Gunn is looking at 1309 01:38:04.960 --> 01:38:10.000 that as something to build on. I'm like, well, that's interesting to 1310 01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:13.840 me. Yeah, I can dig it, right So, and certainly, 1311 01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:15.079 again, Joe, I think, just well, you got to do something 1312 01:38:15.079 --> 01:38:18.159 to differentiate it from whatever Matt Reeves is going to be doing, you know. 1313 01:38:18.239 --> 01:38:21.720 And I, if I'm being entirely honest, I really enjoyed the Matt 1314 01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:29.039 Reeves the Batman, but it's a lot, you know. And and I 1315 01:38:29.079 --> 01:38:30.760 was thinking, like, oh, so this is like the next ten years 1316 01:38:30.760 --> 01:38:36.880 of Batman, and I will anticipate them to a degree, but I don't, 1317 01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:39.800 you know, I'm like, okay, buckle up, like you know, 1318 01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:42.920 like this is gonna be heavy. And I kind of like then that 1319 01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:45.720 these can co exist, because I'm okay with heavy Batman, but I don't 1320 01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:48.439 want that to be the only Batman for a long time. So I kind 1321 01:38:48.479 --> 01:38:55.000 of like the prospect here where I can kind of get both. I agree 1322 01:38:55.000 --> 01:39:00.680 with that, you know, And I think certainly the Reeves version doesn't lend 1323 01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:02.760 itself to a broader superhero universe. So fine, just put that in its 1324 01:39:02.760 --> 01:39:09.760 own I don't I don't want to see that that version end. And and 1325 01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:14.039 A Gun has even said this is going to have its own sort of header, 1326 01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:16.520 right, like DC else Worlds or something. That's right. Yeah, 1327 01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:21.479 so like the Joker sequel that they're doing, yeah, which I don't think 1328 01:39:21.520 --> 01:39:26.520 they should be doing. But it's I mean, but yeah, it's interesting. 1329 01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:29.520 I keep forgetting about that, but I mean I keep forgetting that the 1330 01:39:29.520 --> 01:39:32.960 first one made over a billion dollars, yeah, which is why they absolutely 1331 01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:35.359 And then I you know, Lady Gaga's in it, and it's I I 1332 01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:40.520 gotta admit, I'm very curious. See And actually to that point, I 1333 01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:43.880 think the fact that the sort of the Suicide Squad verse is continuing its on 1334 01:39:44.000 --> 01:39:46.319 way, I think that's a way of keeping Margot Robbie in the mix, 1335 01:39:47.560 --> 01:39:51.439 right right, oh right, Peacemaker and yeah yeah, yeah, smart, 1336 01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:56.399 I think I think it's smart. Yeah yeah, so uh so that's the 1337 01:39:56.399 --> 01:40:00.520 brave and the bold I mentioned the the the Batman sequel is just for twenty 1338 01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:04.359 twenty five, same year as Superman. Oh yeah, yeah, so well 1339 01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:08.199 but the first time ever you have a Superman movie and a Batman moving in 1340 01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:12.399 the same year, assuming dates don't slip. Well, yeah, we got 1341 01:40:12.439 --> 01:40:15.880 Booster Gold. I'm excited about this one. Brian, Okay, yeah, 1342 01:40:15.079 --> 01:40:18.920 you're gonna have to premium speed. Well, it's a Booster Gold is a 1343 01:40:18.960 --> 01:40:25.479 comic book character who I was introduced to via the Justice League in the mid 1344 01:40:25.479 --> 01:40:28.479 eighties. And there was an iteration of the Justice League in the mid eighties 1345 01:40:28.640 --> 01:40:30.479 where they didn't have any of the heavy hitters. So no Superman, no 1346 01:40:30.560 --> 01:40:34.000 Wonder Woman. Batman was like the biggest name, and it was just it 1347 01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:40.159 was like the Blue Beetle and these various characters who were just kind of um, 1348 01:40:41.680 --> 01:40:45.640 you know, it's sort of like it's imagine a superhero version of The 1349 01:40:45.680 --> 01:40:49.399 Office. Okay, So they would they would fight bad guys and stuff, 1350 01:40:49.399 --> 01:40:53.840 but it was also just as much about the banter and them playing pranks on 1351 01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:57.079 each other and things like that. That's fun, okay, you know. 1352 01:40:57.119 --> 01:41:00.079 And you had Blue Beetle and Booster Gold were like this this comedy duo, 1353 01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:06.000 okay, and it was just it's one of the great runs of that title 1354 01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:09.760 in my opinion. So Booster Gold, he's a guy from the future. 1355 01:41:10.119 --> 01:41:15.760 He's like a janitor in the future, all right, and he basically steals 1356 01:41:15.760 --> 01:41:20.399 some future technology and sends himself into the past because he's like, well, 1357 01:41:20.439 --> 01:41:26.279 my life in my present sucks, so I'm going to go back to the 1358 01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:29.800 past where I have knowledge of the future, and I'll become a superhero and 1359 01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:33.800 then people will respect me. I like it already, yeah right, yeah, 1360 01:41:33.840 --> 01:41:36.920 I'm like, well, I love the character, and I love that 1361 01:41:36.960 --> 01:41:41.359 they're approaching it as an HBO Max series because I'm like, this would totally 1362 01:41:41.359 --> 01:41:45.319 works as a series, totally totally. I like, it just feels so 1363 01:41:45.359 --> 01:41:48.319 totally different too, Yeah, as long as you're going to do all this 1364 01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:53.800 at the same time. Now, now speaking are different because this is a 1365 01:41:53.880 --> 01:41:58.720 character who just had an incarnation recently. We have a Supergirl movie called Supergirl 1366 01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:02.840 Woman of Tomorrow right right, which I don't know that much about. It's 1367 01:42:02.840 --> 01:42:06.119 based on a recent run by a writer named Tom King. But I think 1368 01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:10.680 I've said before, like I basically tapped out of DC of just comics in 1369 01:42:10.720 --> 01:42:15.680 general after like twenty ten, so I'm not super familiar with this, but 1370 01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:20.279 I think they're they're coming at it from a darker angle, just to contrast 1371 01:42:20.359 --> 01:42:26.239 her with Superman. Okay, so what they were You know what I read 1372 01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:30.439 in that statement from Saffron about Superman he's a symbol of hope et here. 1373 01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:34.359 It's this is a quote from well, I don't know who said this, 1374 01:42:34.359 --> 01:42:38.439 whether it's Gun or Saffron, but the quote is, we'll see the difference 1375 01:42:38.439 --> 01:42:42.439 between Superman, who has sent to Earth and raised by loving parents from the 1376 01:42:42.439 --> 01:42:45.720 time he was an infant, versus Supergirl, raised on a rock, a 1377 01:42:45.800 --> 01:42:48.560 chip off of Krypton, who watched everyone around her die and be killed in 1378 01:42:48.640 --> 01:42:53.439 terrible ways for the first fourteen years of her life and then comes to Earth. 1379 01:42:54.680 --> 01:42:58.279 Well, that's that's kind of an interesting angle. Yeah, I love 1380 01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:03.520 it different. He's older than Superman, but because of timey whymy wibbly wobbly 1381 01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:09.199 space travel stuff, she comes to Earth and she's younger than him. So 1382 01:43:09.199 --> 01:43:14.520 he's her baby cousin who's now older than her. M Okay, So why, 1383 01:43:15.600 --> 01:43:19.159 um, why why go through all that? Why? That was something 1384 01:43:19.239 --> 01:43:26.680 that they added in the comics in the in the two thousands. Yeah, 1385 01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:31.239 so here's some backster. So Supergirl has existed since the nineteen fifties, and 1386 01:43:31.600 --> 01:43:34.840 um, she was always his Superman's younger cousin she shows up on Earth, 1387 01:43:34.880 --> 01:43:38.039 She's like, hey, here I am, yeah, and you know, 1388 01:43:39.800 --> 01:43:44.680 while you eat you know what? Um And and then in the in the 1389 01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:46.960 in the nineteen eighties, there was a mini series called Crisis on Infinite Earths, 1390 01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:50.199 which I think you know of, yeah, and that was where DC 1391 01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:55.840 kind of reset its continuity. So they killed off Supergirl in that story. 1392 01:43:55.920 --> 01:43:59.199 That was a big deal, and then they re rebooted Superman after that. 1393 01:43:59.279 --> 01:44:01.319 And one of the one of the ground rules that they put in place with 1394 01:44:01.359 --> 01:44:06.359 Superman was that he is and I think they misread this, but you know, 1395 01:44:06.359 --> 01:44:09.680 he's the last son of Krypton. So they're like, he is the 1396 01:44:09.800 --> 01:44:14.760 last Kryptonian. There's no one else, okay, right, So basically for 1397 01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:19.319 twenty years there there was, let me rephrase, there was no Kryptonian Supergirl. 1398 01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:26.560 However, Supergirl is a DC property, and they wanted to preserve the 1399 01:44:26.640 --> 01:44:30.960 merchandising opportunities and the licensing and whatnot, soy they arrived at a way of 1400 01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:36.439 having a Supergirl character who basically looked like the original Supergirl, but her origin 1401 01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:42.199 was that she was a protoplasmic entity from another planet who came to Earth and 1402 01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:47.760 sort of imprinted on Superman and then she merged with a earthborn angel from the 1403 01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:50.840 heaven Realm. I mean, I'm not making any of this up. Yeah, 1404 01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:56.920 and it was a lot. And the problem was that if you're trying 1405 01:44:56.920 --> 01:45:00.119 to boil down a character's origin, you say, well, Superman, he's 1406 01:45:00.119 --> 01:45:02.880 a last survivor of this planet, you know, the flash. So he 1407 01:45:02.920 --> 01:45:05.800 got dipped in these chemicals and you know, well, Supergirl, well sit 1408 01:45:05.880 --> 01:45:11.359 down and drink some water because here and open your mind. Yeah, exactly 1409 01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:16.399 right. So they they reintroduced the Kryptonian Supergirl into the comics in like two 1410 01:45:16.399 --> 01:45:21.439 thousand four or five, I think it was okay. And so when they 1411 01:45:21.520 --> 01:45:26.439 did that, they came up with this idea that, oh, she was 1412 01:45:27.079 --> 01:45:30.640 initially sent to krypt sent from not even from Krypton, but whatever, the 1413 01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:38.600 Kryptonian city she's from to watch over Kalel. But her ship got you know, 1414 01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:42.319 you know, way laid along the way or whatever. And by the 1415 01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:45.720 time she lands on Earth so much time, it's been you know whatever, 1416 01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:48.239 thirty years or whatever, and he's he's a grown up already, right, 1417 01:45:48.840 --> 01:45:53.520 And I think they just did that to kind of give like an interesting new 1418 01:45:53.560 --> 01:45:56.279 angle to the story. Sure, sure, sure, but I'm like, 1419 01:45:56.279 --> 01:46:00.880 well, that's probably that's kind of an interesting approach to take. Yeah, 1420 01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:01.800 yeah, no, I get it, I get it. I appreciate you 1421 01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:04.880 sharing that because now now I have it in my head. That's a lot. 1422 01:46:05.479 --> 01:46:10.560 Yeah, so that's that's again. They haven't said what it is, 1423 01:46:10.600 --> 01:46:13.600 but I believe it's meant to be a film. And then lastly, you 1424 01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:16.760 alluded this earlier. We have Swamp Thing, which yeah, is meant to 1425 01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:19.840 be a horror film. Now here's the thing about whenever these people say, 1426 01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:24.359 oh, this comic book thing is going to be a horror film, I 1427 01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:30.600 treat that as suspect sort of like the latest example would be Doctor Strange. 1428 01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:32.479 Right, that's right, it was gonna be a horror film, which I 1429 01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:36.920 mean it was. It was horrific at times. I will admit that has 1430 01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:43.840 probably come the closest to write, you know when when people make that proclamation, 1431 01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:46.399 because yeah, you know, I had like decaying faces and those sorts 1432 01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:48.760 of things. What's funny, Brian, I was. I was watching that 1433 01:46:48.800 --> 01:46:53.479 with Dominic because she didn't she didn't go to the theater, and we got 1434 01:46:53.520 --> 01:46:58.319 to the part where Anson Mount like his mouth gets sealed and he blows his 1435 01:46:58.399 --> 01:47:02.199 brain open or whatever. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I'll let 1436 01:47:02.239 --> 01:47:06.000 you I'll let you imagine that in your head. Yeah. And literally I'm 1437 01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:09.760 and was like, okay, I'm not watching this anymore. And oh really 1438 01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:15.359 we never finished it. We never finished it. Wow, that's so interesting 1439 01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:18.920 because that, to me was horrifying but also still had kind of a colorful 1440 01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:25.199 sheen to it, like it felt acceptable within the Marvel boundaries or something. 1441 01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:30.000 But it was like the stuff that surprised me was yeah, closer to the 1442 01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:32.920 end with like the corpses and all that stuff. Yes, Like she she 1443 01:47:32.960 --> 01:47:38.039 didn't get there yet. We never made it. She was like, did 1444 01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:44.319 you take as out of this? And I was like, no, I 1445 01:47:44.319 --> 01:47:45.640 I didn't see it, but I'm assuming there was an eye dart there. 1446 01:47:46.439 --> 01:47:58.680 Yeah. I was like, of course not. Um so so she ducked 1447 01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:00.600 out of there. Meanwhile, I'm like, but it so cool? Is 1448 01:48:00.760 --> 01:48:03.680 braid blew up is amazing? You know? Right? But James Gunn, 1449 01:48:03.680 --> 01:48:05.560 I mean, he's kind of a horror guy, so it makes sense that 1450 01:48:05.560 --> 01:48:08.359 he'd be like, all right, let me have a little fun over here, 1451 01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:12.039 you know. But what's funny about is swamp thing. Like we just 1452 01:48:12.159 --> 01:48:14.399 did swampthing, just a couple of years ago. If you remember, there 1453 01:48:14.439 --> 01:48:16.880 was that TV series, short lived, but people liked it, right, 1454 01:48:17.439 --> 01:48:20.840 I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, um, but I get you 1455 01:48:20.880 --> 01:48:25.279 know, Swamp Thing. They've actually done a bunch which I actually didn't realize 1456 01:48:25.359 --> 01:48:29.239 this, but there was, of course two movies. The first one directed 1457 01:48:29.279 --> 01:48:31.960 by Wes Craven. Wow. I don't know if I knew that. I 1458 01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:34.319 know they're like trauma things. That's the only thing I knew about them. 1459 01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:39.239 I mean, they're trauma ish, but they're not from trauma. Oh they're 1460 01:48:39.279 --> 01:48:41.640 not. Oh I thought they were trauma. Oh I see No, No, 1461 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:45.800 you're you're thinking of the Tuxic Avenger. That's what I'm thinking about it. 1462 01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:49.039 Yeah. Yeah. The first swamp Thing movie, it stars Ray Wise 1463 01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:54.279 by the way as like the scientist or becomes like that's what I think of 1464 01:48:54.399 --> 01:48:58.000 I could see, right, Yeah, and Adrian Barbeau, isn't it. 1465 01:48:58.039 --> 01:49:00.199 But yeah, Wes Craven, so this is pre night man. I'm straight. 1466 01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:03.680 I'm pretty sure, Okay, and it I mean, I wouldn't say 1467 01:49:03.720 --> 01:49:08.199 it's a good movie, but I think it's good for what it what it's 1468 01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:11.279 doing, you know. Sure, Sure, And then they did the sequel 1469 01:49:11.680 --> 01:49:15.319 which was like eighty eight or eighty nine, I think it was just before 1470 01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:18.560 Batman and you're like, okay, so we're just this is just camp. 1471 01:49:19.479 --> 01:49:21.600 Sure, sure, sure, that's what it is. In my head. 1472 01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:26.079 I think that even why I sort of mixed it up a toxic Avenger and 1473 01:49:26.119 --> 01:49:29.720 all that. Yeah. The second one was because Heather Lockleyer is in it 1474 01:49:29.720 --> 01:49:32.000 as the love interest and it's pretty ridiculous. And then I don't know if 1475 01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:39.840 you remember this, there was a TV series on the USA kind of I 1476 01:49:39.840 --> 01:49:43.159 don't think I had cable in that era, so it's like it's like a 1477 01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:45.920 vague sort of little thing in my head. But yeah, you know, 1478 01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:48.439 I knew of the show, and it was only relatively recently that I found 1479 01:49:48.439 --> 01:49:53.359 out that it lasted for like sixty some episodes, like a long time. 1480 01:49:54.159 --> 01:49:59.600 Huh right. It shows also not good? Oh really no, I mean 1481 01:49:59.800 --> 01:50:02.199 they had like a dollar fifty to make this thing. Sure sure. And 1482 01:50:02.239 --> 01:50:06.520 then there was also an animated series, Dad I do remember, yeah, 1483 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:12.079 yeah, and and it the theme song was swamp Thing song to the tune 1484 01:50:12.199 --> 01:50:17.640 of Wild Thing. I think I think that's the only reason it's memorable. 1485 01:50:17.680 --> 01:50:20.319 But anyway, my point is they have done a lot with swamp Thing, 1486 01:50:20.399 --> 01:50:25.159 far more than I realized. Yeah, yeah, same, I just didn't 1487 01:50:25.479 --> 01:50:28.520 think about it. I just picture like a VHS cover I saw it at 1488 01:50:28.520 --> 01:50:30.399 the video store when I was young. That like made an impression on me. 1489 01:50:31.760 --> 01:50:34.039 Yeah, and and so I'm kind of like, Okay, well that 1490 01:50:34.159 --> 01:50:39.319 that's all well and good, But but what what they've never really captured on 1491 01:50:39.439 --> 01:50:45.920 screen um is sort of the Allen More take on the character, which is 1492 01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:50.000 I think what he's most known for what what Swamping is most known for sure, 1493 01:50:50.079 --> 01:50:55.680 which is which is what like what what's his sort of take? So 1494 01:50:55.720 --> 01:51:00.800 what he did he comes in and so so the the swamp Thing character was 1495 01:51:00.920 --> 01:51:05.039 essentially, here's a scientist who he's experimenting. These bad guys show up, 1496 01:51:05.079 --> 01:51:10.119 he gets doust with these chemicals, he jumps into the bog and then it 1497 01:51:10.239 --> 01:51:14.439 merges with him and he comes out as swamp Thing, right, And what 1498 01:51:14.520 --> 01:51:17.720 Alan Moore did is he he did a story called, I think it's called 1499 01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:24.119 The Anatomy lesson that that was his first issue I think, where basically swamp 1500 01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:30.239 Thing is being sort of dissected by actually by by the character Jason Woodrow who's 1501 01:51:30.279 --> 01:51:36.079 played by John Glover in Batman and Robin oh huh uh. But he what 1502 01:51:36.239 --> 01:51:44.159 swamp Thing finds out anyway, is that he's not Alec Holland reborn as a 1503 01:51:44.159 --> 01:51:47.560 swamp creature. He is a bunch of swampshit that thinks it's Alac Holland. 1504 01:51:48.079 --> 01:51:54.600 Huh. So like Alac Holland already died and there's just swamp Thing is just 1505 01:51:54.640 --> 01:51:57.000 something else, you know. And and that was kind of a big deal 1506 01:51:57.039 --> 01:52:00.920 at the time. That was sort of you know, it was a last 1507 01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:06.399 Jedi esque kind of pivot pot. Yeah, exactly. And so you know, 1508 01:52:06.439 --> 01:52:09.960 he had a great run on the title for quite a while. And 1509 01:52:10.000 --> 01:52:13.960 I think for among comic fans, if if they have any fondness, it's 1510 01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:19.720 because of what Alan Moore did. I'm guessing that that's what Gun wants to 1511 01:52:19.720 --> 01:52:25.239 get to with Swamp Thing. It certainly feels like if you're gonna do something 1512 01:52:25.239 --> 01:52:27.640 and you want to make it different, like that's one way to do to 1513 01:52:27.920 --> 01:52:31.640 approach it, right. You know. I gotta admit when I heard this 1514 01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:35.159 was happening, I was like, all right, But hearing about this stuff, 1515 01:52:35.159 --> 01:52:39.439 I'm like, well, now I'm I got something to connect with. 1516 01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:42.720 I'm like, that sounds interesting. I think, so, you know, 1517 01:52:42.920 --> 01:52:45.600 it could be like I'm I'm I'm cautious about all of this because honestly, 1518 01:52:46.239 --> 01:52:55.159 let's say Superman Legacy pulls a Superman returns, Well, then it came over 1519 01:52:55.239 --> 01:53:00.520 right at the starting gate, right, Yeah, why didn't that one land? 1520 01:53:00.560 --> 01:53:02.399 By the way, if you have a theory, and what can they 1521 01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:10.000 do to avoid that? Well, a couple thoughts. I think that first 1522 01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:11.840 of all, it was too expensive, and I think part of it is 1523 01:53:11.840 --> 01:53:15.920 because they folded in the development cost of like the previous ten years worth the 1524 01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:18.439 Superman films that they were trying to get made, because you had you had 1525 01:53:18.479 --> 01:53:21.960 the Tim Burton one, you had the one that Brett Ratner was going to 1526 01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:27.000 direct, like there's a few versions right right. And then the other thing 1527 01:53:27.199 --> 01:53:29.720 is I just think it was too dour. I mean, I honestly think 1528 01:53:29.720 --> 01:53:34.520 that people want to feel uplifted a little bit when it comes to Superman film 1529 01:53:34.680 --> 01:53:38.840 and people are like, oh, he was too slavish. We're talking about 1530 01:53:38.840 --> 01:53:44.319 Brian Singer to to um the tone of the Richard Donner film, and I'm 1531 01:53:44.359 --> 01:53:50.680 like, I that's not true because other than the sort of the window dressing 1532 01:53:50.680 --> 01:53:54.239 aspects, like I was going to say the aesthetic maybe, but yeah, 1533 01:53:54.319 --> 01:53:57.520 yeah, and even then, I mean, look at the Daily Planet. 1534 01:53:57.600 --> 01:54:01.359 It doesn't look anything like the other you know that, Like like Donner lent 1535 01:54:01.479 --> 01:54:04.479 the whole thing very similitude, and there was it was, it had a 1536 01:54:04.520 --> 01:54:10.920 wit. Yes, and and and I think that Superman Returns is very morose. 1537 01:54:12.039 --> 01:54:14.840 Yeah. I was gonna say like it has a fuzzy warmth to it 1538 01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:18.000 or something just visually like it looks like he was trying to copy like the 1539 01:54:18.079 --> 01:54:24.319 visuals. But yeah, I didn't missed those things that made Yeah. Yeah, 1540 01:54:24.359 --> 01:54:28.960 and I think there's stuff in it that I really like, but I 1541 01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:35.359 don't. I don't think he quite nailed the appeal of Superman the movie if 1542 01:54:35.399 --> 01:54:39.199 he was trying to make an homage to it, like I'm just I'm kind 1543 01:54:39.199 --> 01:54:42.079 of like. And then obviously the stuff about he's been in space, like, 1544 01:54:42.119 --> 01:54:45.800 I just think there was a lot. I think that it's just me. 1545 01:54:45.439 --> 01:54:54.159 I think that you could do a an homage to the the Donner film 1546 01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:59.720 and the Christopher Reeve films without needing to dig so deep into their continuity. 1547 01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:02.720 I think you could have just you do Superman. He kind of vaguely looks 1548 01:55:02.720 --> 01:55:05.319 like the other Superman. You have the music and people would have gone along 1549 01:55:05.319 --> 01:55:09.600 with it. I think that was the way to go. I don't think 1550 01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:14.600 we needed another origin yeah till a Superman story, you know. So I 1551 01:55:14.640 --> 01:55:18.960 think with Man of Steel it was just as much a response to Superman atturns 1552 01:55:18.960 --> 01:55:21.319 with super that was a complaint or Superman. What does he He doesn't do 1553 01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:27.000 anything. He he fights an island or something, you know, right right, 1554 01:55:27.439 --> 01:55:29.640 He's like, all right, well in this one, he's gonna fight. 1555 01:55:30.359 --> 01:55:32.319 You know, he's gonna tear down a half the city and you know, 1556 01:55:32.359 --> 01:55:34.880 and then people got upset about that too, right, right, But 1557 01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:39.439 everything's a response to the other thing, you know. So I guess what 1558 01:55:39.560 --> 01:55:42.760 Superman legacy it's going to be a response to Man of Steel. Sure, 1559 01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:45.600 yeah, you know, for good or for ill, that's what's going to 1560 01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:48.479 happen. Yeah, but I'm excited. I am excited though, for like 1561 01:55:48.520 --> 01:55:51.439 a new Superman. Like it feels like a fresh start, you know, 1562 01:55:51.520 --> 01:55:58.560 even if some actors characters carry over, Like I'm ready let's start a new 1563 01:55:58.640 --> 01:56:03.720 journey. I'm mean, what what they still have next year's slate coming up? 1564 01:56:03.800 --> 01:56:08.119 Right, so you've got or not next year? This year we're in. 1565 01:56:08.199 --> 01:56:14.880 We're in next year, Shazam is about a month from now, Flash 1566 01:56:14.960 --> 01:56:21.399 is in the summer, Blue Beetle is coming in August, and then Aquaman 1567 01:56:21.680 --> 01:56:26.760 in December. So you got Blue Beetle and Aquaman coming out after the Flash. 1568 01:56:26.760 --> 01:56:28.359 And I was thinking, I was like, well, if Flash is 1569 01:56:28.359 --> 01:56:32.600 meant to restart the universe, they could have switched up the scheduling if Aquaman 1570 01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:36.760 was not meant to exist in this new universe. So there's a reason that 1571 01:56:36.760 --> 01:56:41.960 they're they're keeping it the way it is, right. You know what they 1572 01:56:42.119 --> 01:56:45.640 now now teen Titans, or rather it's it's just called Titans. That series 1573 01:56:45.680 --> 01:56:49.039 has been going on HBO Max that's ending, Doom Patrol that is ending. 1574 01:56:49.800 --> 01:56:56.359 Pennyworth the Origin of Batman's Butler. Yes, Pennyworth Colin the Origin of Batman's 1575 01:56:56.399 --> 01:57:00.039 Butler. That is ending, right. I think the only DC show that 1576 01:57:00.319 --> 01:57:06.840 is continuing on for a short while is Superman and Lewis h okay, And 1577 01:57:06.960 --> 01:57:10.960 I think a Gunn said something the effected like, well, everyone likes it, 1578 01:57:10.960 --> 01:57:14.640 it's doing well, yeah, we'll let it run for at least another 1579 01:57:14.680 --> 01:57:17.880 couple of seasons. Okay, So I could see that ending just before this 1580 01:57:17.920 --> 01:57:21.399 new movie. Comes out. Yeah, that that makes sense, right, 1581 01:57:21.439 --> 01:57:26.439 the timing, timing would work out, and then and then the plan is 1582 01:57:26.479 --> 01:57:30.760 basically all of the everyone needs to be rolling in the same direction. So 1583 01:57:30.880 --> 01:57:33.600 essentially they're gonna do what Marvel is doing with the Disney plus shows and all 1584 01:57:33.600 --> 01:57:39.399 that. Right, So that is a lot, Well, that is a 1585 01:57:39.399 --> 01:57:42.520 lot. That is a lot. But I mean, could I say the 1586 01:57:42.520 --> 01:57:46.239 audience, could we have a better guide than Zachi helping us way through this 1587 01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:54.119 announcement? Well, here here's something interesting. H James Gunn said that he 1588 01:57:54.439 --> 01:58:01.039 has spoken with Zack Snyder about all this. Oh huh, and Zack Snyder 1589 01:58:01.119 --> 01:58:08.079 told him to kick rocks. Yuh, don't let the door hit you now. 1590 01:58:08.239 --> 01:58:14.319 Um uh. It says here that you know, I don't know if 1591 01:58:14.359 --> 01:58:17.119 you know this, but and you wouldn't because you don't live online. But 1592 01:58:17.439 --> 01:58:24.960 the Zaddies, bless their little hearts, they are obviously very upset about this. 1593 01:58:26.039 --> 01:58:30.399 They're they're taking, they're taking. But of course, sure, yeah, 1594 01:58:30.439 --> 01:58:32.680 because this means that that the you know, the the universe that they've 1595 01:58:32.720 --> 01:58:39.039 been clamoring for is is fanito. Now what they want is for Netflix to 1596 01:58:39.199 --> 01:58:46.680 buy the Snyder Verse. That feels like an Internet idea, right, yeah, 1597 01:58:47.760 --> 01:58:57.600 godless. So there's there's a hashtag like, you know, sell you 1598 01:58:57.640 --> 01:59:01.079 know, sell the Snyder Verse to Netflix or some such. But basically they 1599 01:59:01.119 --> 01:59:05.800 want they want Netflix to buy whatever Snyder had planned originally. So that's you 1600 01:59:05.840 --> 01:59:11.920 know, three Justice League movies, Ben Affleck's Batman movie, which again he 1601 01:59:12.079 --> 01:59:15.920 has said he does not want to do right right the man said I would 1602 01:59:15.960 --> 01:59:23.680 have drunk myself to death if I made that movie, and yikes, I 1603 01:59:23.760 --> 01:59:26.720 mean that, you know, good, then don't make it like I don't 1604 01:59:26.760 --> 01:59:30.000 want him to do it, you know, to punish himself. Uh. 1605 01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:33.439 And and then yeah, they want the alternate David a or cut up suicide 1606 01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:38.199 squad. So okay, so that's it's like guys like, I mean, 1607 01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:40.760 what do you even watch that? By the way, yes I would, 1608 01:59:41.159 --> 01:59:45.359 but yeah, I think at least you know that universe. There's there's there's 1609 01:59:45.399 --> 01:59:47.760 something there. I mean, that's a box set there. So that's that's 1610 01:59:47.760 --> 01:59:50.920 something to be happy about if nothing else. You know. I'm I'm I 1611 01:59:50.960 --> 01:59:56.239 said this when when Snyder's Justice League cut, I'm like, this thing was 1612 01:59:58.000 --> 02:00:00.359 written off as an impossibility, and there it is. It's you can own 1613 02:00:00.399 --> 02:00:05.000 a you can own a blu ray of it. Take the win yep. 1614 02:00:06.039 --> 02:00:13.119 Anyway, So James Gunn, uh it took you know, notice of of 1615 02:00:13.640 --> 02:00:15.840 this what was going on? And he says, I have to say, 1616 02:00:15.960 --> 02:00:20.880 this has got to be the wackiest hashtag ever. Everybody. What was the 1617 02:00:20.880 --> 02:00:25.119 hashtag? Again? The like, sell the Snyder Verse thing whatever it is, 1618 02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:30.800 sell the Snyder Verse to Netflix. That's the hashtag. So here's here's 1619 02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:34.520 what James Gunn said. He says, Number one, Netflix hasn't expressed any 1620 02:00:34.600 --> 02:00:41.239 such interest, although we've discussed other stuff. And two Zach hasn't expressed any 1621 02:00:41.279 --> 02:00:44.760 interest and seems to be happy doing what he's doing. And yes, we 1622 02:00:44.880 --> 02:00:48.279 two have talked. He contacted me to express his support about my choices. 1623 02:00:48.479 --> 02:00:51.720 He's a great guy. Again, he seems really happy with the massive world 1624 02:00:51.720 --> 02:00:57.520 building he's doing. Now he's doing that whole um those zombie movies. But 1625 02:00:57.520 --> 02:01:00.239 he's this other thing too, write the sci fi like his Star Wars. 1626 02:01:00.239 --> 02:01:02.920 Basically, yeah, a rebel moon I think it's called. Yeah, And 1627 02:01:03.039 --> 02:01:12.000 people forget that like Snyder and James Gunn work together. Yeah yeah, Gunn 1628 02:01:12.039 --> 02:01:15.760 wrote that. Yeah, yeah, we forget that right now. Now what 1629 02:01:15.760 --> 02:01:18.840 what gun says? We know We're not going to make every single person happy 1630 02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:21.600 every step of the way, but we can promise everything we do is done 1631 02:01:21.640 --> 02:01:26.399 in the service of the story and in the service of the characters we know 1632 02:01:26.479 --> 02:01:30.439 you cherish, and we have cherished our whole lives. Uh it sounds to 1633 02:01:30.479 --> 02:01:32.920 me, I mean just from the slate he is a fan. Yes, 1634 02:01:33.359 --> 02:01:36.960 yes, that's It's like he's like, let me get to work and read 1635 02:01:38.039 --> 02:01:41.840 some of this stuff and we'll we'll plot something out. Like he's he's got 1636 02:01:41.920 --> 02:01:45.159 the toys and now he's excited to open the chest and then have some fun. 1637 02:01:45.760 --> 02:01:48.319 I think, what what what I'm What infuses me about this Gods and 1638 02:01:48.399 --> 02:01:54.520 Monster slate is he's got a proper proportion of big guns and deep cuts. 1639 02:01:54.920 --> 02:01:58.640 Huh yeah, And I think that's that's kind of what you need, you 1640 02:01:58.680 --> 02:02:01.800 know. And that's I would say even for someone like me who's like a 1641 02:02:01.840 --> 02:02:05.359 casual casual as they get fan of this stuff, like you know, like 1642 02:02:05.880 --> 02:02:09.439 that's what I want. I want more Superman, I want more Batman. 1643 02:02:09.760 --> 02:02:15.520 But like guardians, I like being introduced and getting excited about new things. 1644 02:02:15.680 --> 02:02:19.520 Also, so I like I'm intrigued by the possibilities, like oh well, 1645 02:02:19.560 --> 02:02:24.560 I don't know. This office superhero office thing sounds kind of intriguing, like 1646 02:02:24.800 --> 02:02:28.600 I can't wait to hopefully fall in over that alongside the stuff that I also 1647 02:02:28.640 --> 02:02:31.640 know and can't wait to see. Well, with that in mind, I 1648 02:02:31.640 --> 02:02:34.159 would love for our listeners to write in with their comments. What do you 1649 02:02:34.159 --> 02:02:38.960 think about the James Gunn DC slate? Do you think it'll even happen again? 1650 02:02:39.000 --> 02:02:44.640 I have to say I prefaced all of this with I remain skeptical. 1651 02:02:45.720 --> 02:02:51.359 Yeah, well there'll probably be some red marker on the right. Yeah, 1652 02:02:51.399 --> 02:02:56.439 on this list coming up over the years, I think some stuff is gonna 1653 02:02:56.439 --> 02:03:00.560 get crossed out. Yeah, and like rearranged and rethought and I'm sure, 1654 02:03:00.800 --> 02:03:05.359 well, you know there was a dark universe that was planned with Tom Cruise 1655 02:03:05.399 --> 02:03:10.880 and Johnny Depp and how Very Bardam and Angelina Joe Lee. Yeah, and 1656 02:03:11.079 --> 02:03:15.800 uh we all point and laugh at that. Now, Russell Crowe, Russell 1657 02:03:15.800 --> 02:03:19.199 crow it's going to be there, Nick Fury, Nick Fury, h So 1658 02:03:19.319 --> 02:03:24.760 you know I am I am, if not skeptical, I am cautious. 1659 02:03:27.000 --> 02:03:28.720 But with that, like I said, let us know your thoughts. You 1660 02:03:28.720 --> 02:03:30.399 can emails at Movie Film Podcast at gmail dot com. You can also hit 1661 02:03:30.439 --> 02:03:34.439 like on our Facebook page, Facebook dot com, slash Movie Film Podcast and 1662 02:03:34.880 --> 02:03:36.800 message just there. If you're looking for me, I'm line. You can 1663 02:03:36.800 --> 02:03:40.680 find me on Twitter for now. Let's see how how long that continues to 1664 02:03:40.680 --> 02:03:44.720 be the case at Zackie's Corner. That's also my website SAP dot com, 1665 02:03:44.760 --> 02:03:48.520 and you can see my reviews at the San Francisco Chronicle and also at IgM. 1666 02:03:48.520 --> 02:03:51.680 Brian, what do you have going on? Well, I can't remember 1667 02:03:51.720 --> 02:03:55.239 if I said this on the last episode, but Puppy Dog Pals, the 1668 02:03:55.239 --> 02:04:00.439 final episode is out. It is now a completed series. It's it's kind 1669 02:04:00.439 --> 02:04:05.159 of amazing. So that is all out there, you know, Disney Channel, 1670 02:04:05.239 --> 02:04:13.159 Disney Plus, Disney Junior, and just today Thursday the eighth or whatever. 1671 02:04:13.199 --> 02:04:17.439 This is Young Jedi Adventures, the Star Wars animated show that I'm working 1672 02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:23.840 on currently, has officially announced a release date, which is May the fourth, 1673 02:04:24.279 --> 02:04:27.279 if you can believe it, and they'll be coming out on Disney Plus 1674 02:04:27.319 --> 02:04:30.039 and Disney Junior. So it is wild for me. I've been on this 1675 02:04:30.159 --> 02:04:33.880 for yeah, gosh, coming up on two years maybe or something, and 1676 02:04:33.920 --> 02:04:39.840 like seeing these images finally released in these characters and it's it's very exciting, 1677 02:04:39.880 --> 02:04:45.000 so looking forward to the lead up to this. So I love this this 1678 02:04:45.039 --> 02:04:47.960 show. I'm really excited about it. Well I know, I know I'm 1679 02:04:47.960 --> 02:04:51.119 excited to see it, and I know everyone listening is curious to see it 1680 02:04:51.159 --> 02:04:55.880 as well. Yeah, yeah, what's exciting about it too? And with 1681 02:04:55.920 --> 02:04:58.760 your kids even in mind some of your kids is it's really I mean, 1682 02:04:58.760 --> 02:05:00.880 it is for a younger audience, but the whole idea behind it is, 1683 02:05:01.640 --> 02:05:04.119 you know, I've had a lot of parents tell me my friends, I 1684 02:05:04.159 --> 02:05:08.119 want to show my kids Star Wars, but they're not ready, like they 1685 02:05:08.479 --> 02:05:12.640 either can't sit that long or you know, a little things are too intense 1686 02:05:12.760 --> 02:05:15.920 or whatever. But this is sort of that that on ramp. This is 1687 02:05:15.960 --> 02:05:20.560 the introduction to lightsabers and the Force and Jedi and these you know ships and 1688 02:05:20.880 --> 02:05:25.520 the light speed and all this stuff, and then hopefully getting that sort of 1689 02:05:25.760 --> 02:05:30.439 building in excitement and you know, a familiarity with these sights and sounds, 1690 02:05:30.520 --> 02:05:32.159 and then they're like, hey, give me more of this, and you're 1691 02:05:32.199 --> 02:05:34.119 like, well, if I got something for you, and you get to 1692 02:05:34.560 --> 02:05:41.119 show them the movies and hopefully make them fans. So wow, okay, 1693 02:05:41.159 --> 02:05:45.399 well, well we will be back in our next episode talking about aunt Man 1694 02:05:45.399 --> 02:05:48.520 on the Wasp Quantumnia. So that will be our next episode, but until 1695 02:05:48.600 --> 02:05:51.800 next time on behalf of my partner Brian Home. My name is Zachi Hassan. 1696 02:05:51.880 --> 02:05:56.680 This has been movie film two sixty three. Catch next time. Thanks 1697 02:05:56.680 --> 02:06:06.000 everybody, welcome back. Stoby Podcast Podcasting joined the show Jacky and Ryan and 1698 02:06:06.159 --> 02:06:11.199 talking about the baby each Morning Now podcast on the radio.