1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,960 From the studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM in downtown 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,599 Manchester, New Hampshire. You are tuned in to the best of Matt Connerton 3 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:45,000 unleashed. If we're gonna bring in a we have a great guest on via 4 00:00:45,039 --> 00:00:48,119 Skype. We're gonna bring in in just a moment. But if you'd like 5 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,280 to enter the discussion that we are about to have, six three two five 6 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,840 six Z seven is a studio line six three two five six zero seven. 7 00:00:56,039 --> 00:00:59,159 You can also text me at six one seven nine one seven four four seven 8 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,399 six. I'm on social media at Matt Connerton. You can email me Matt 9 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:07,560 at Matt Connerton dot com. You can interact endo Pine in the Facebook live 10 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,079 chat. But the best thing to do so that we can hear and enjoy 11 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:15,719 your dulcet tones is to give us a call at six zero three two five 12 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,200 zero six zero seven. And we have Kevin Hammer via Skype. Kevin are 13 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:26,040 you there? Yes, I am hello, Welcome to the show. Glad, 14 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,719 glad to be here. I just want to check and you hear me 15 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:34,200 clearly? Yeah, yeah, absolutely can hear me. Okay, a bit 16 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:37,640 choppy, a bit staticky, but I can make I can make everything out 17 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,840 everywhere just saying okay, good good. Yeah. Technology will will not always 18 00:01:41,879 --> 00:01:45,879 be exactly what we wanted to be, that's for sure. Absolutely, But 19 00:01:46,079 --> 00:01:49,079 uh yeah, yesterday we had a band on all the way from Germany called 20 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:53,799 Factory of Art and uh, you know, when when you're getting transcontinental, 21 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:57,200 it can be especially a challenging and they were skyping in but they had a 22 00:01:57,239 --> 00:02:00,840 little bit of a problem connecting. You know. Actually it worked, but 23 00:02:00,159 --> 00:02:04,680 I had to had to give it a few shots. But where where are 24 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:07,879 you? Are you in Schenectady in New York? Yes, yep, I 25 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:13,080 do reside in Schenectady, New York. Okay, it's not that far from 26 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,360 the capitol Albany, New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have 27 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:19,439 some I have some family in New York state. Spend some time there as 28 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:22,719 a kid, because I haven't been there in a while, well at least 29 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,560 not not in terms of spending any real time there. But um my, 30 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:30,800 uh, my dad's second wife, her family is in I don't know if 31 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,639 you know Frankfort. It's uh kind of near uh, I guess it's kind 32 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,759 of near Utica. Um yeah, I'm aware of the Frankfort area. Absolutely, 33 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:42,840 Okay, Yeah, it's kind of funny in that area. You've got 34 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:45,319 all those you know, they don't even really call them towns. They call 35 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:50,919 them villages like Frankfurt and Ilion and and it's hard to tell where one ends 36 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,400 and and and another one begins. It's they're kind of like a like one 37 00:02:53,479 --> 00:02:57,599 city sort of match together. But it's really like a series of neighborhoods. 38 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,080 It's interesting, but um, it's funny. Yeah, it's it is funny 39 00:03:00,159 --> 00:03:04,560 up here. I actually grew up in a community where the Amish had posts 40 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:08,719 to tie up their horses. So really, no kidding in New York or 41 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,080 were you yes? Oh wow? I was born and raised in Scaria, 42 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:17,280 Montgomery Counties in New York State. Uh. And it's funny because most people 43 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,240 when you say you're from New York, they go to the city. But 44 00:03:21,599 --> 00:03:24,400 I grew up in small town, rural New York. Like I said that, 45 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:29,039 we had an Amish community, Uh, you know, Mennonites, you 46 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,840 know, we we had all that out there. And like I said, 47 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,879 our bank, our post you know, the post office, our grocery store, 48 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,400 they all had post to um tie up their horses. In fact, 49 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,639 they put in a brand new a few years ago they put in a brand 50 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:47,680 new sign in the center of town. Uh buggy parking, No kidding, 51 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,680 Oh yep, Oh that's cool. That's interesting. Interesting. Um you ever 52 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:57,719 see that that that show, Amish Mafia. I think it was actually set 53 00:03:57,759 --> 00:03:59,719 in Pennsylvania. Did you ever see that? I think it was on the 54 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,560 Earning Channel. No, I'm aware that it exists, but no I have 55 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:06,599 I have actually never seen a full episode. I saw a trailer for it 56 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:10,319 once and I found it very amusing. It's a it's a trip. I 57 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:14,840 just I know someone actually someone who claims to be a real New Yorker from 58 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,079 from the city who uh will often brag about the time that he interviewed Lebanon 59 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,160 Levi from Amish Mafia, and it's kind of like, wow, that's uh 60 00:04:24,519 --> 00:04:30,000 quite the brag there. But uh, yeah, that that that ship. 61 00:04:30,079 --> 00:04:31,480 I have seen the show. It's it's kind of a trip. But now, 62 00:04:31,519 --> 00:04:34,319 what is your current statis in terms of are you a candidate or do 63 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:40,639 you currently hold office? Well, I I am currently a candidate. Um, 64 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:46,560 I will admit IM not going to speak so much to the uh you 65 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:48,920 know, the race right now my campaign, Yeah, right now, we're 66 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:55,680 the Democrats I am a Republican. The Democrats have their primaries, Uh, 67 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,240 their primary coming up. Uh, you know, so we're just reaching out 68 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,680 to the community now, still knocking on doors, getting getting our names out 69 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:06,759 there. I ran in twenty twenty one for city council and I'm running again. 70 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:12,079 Okay in Schenectady. Yep, in Schenectady. Gotcha. Now, have 71 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:15,319 you held office before or if you run, did you run for office prior 72 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:20,319 to twenty twenty one. No, twenty twenty one was my first time entering 73 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,920 politics in that in that fashion. Okay. Prior to that, I had 74 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:31,839 been involved more on the activist side since probably around college. Okay. And 75 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:38,480 now you came to us by way of our friend Billy Painter, or Bad 76 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,319 Billy as he is as this his online persona. Although I personally I don't 77 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:45,199 know what you think, Kevin, I think he should just use his real 78 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,879 name. I think Billy Painter is a cool name. I don't know why. 79 00:05:46,959 --> 00:05:49,560 I just like the way it sounds. But uh, but yeah, 80 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:54,040 he had he had recommended, and I'm glad he connected us and I did. 81 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:56,600 I didn't get a chance to see quite the whole thing, but I 82 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,519 did watch most of um your interview, Billy's interview with you, I should 83 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:05,600 say, on Outlaw Radio and very interesting and U and you know, we 84 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,959 had talked via messenger and you had mentioned, you know, you're a Republican, 85 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:14,480 but you you know, you like to be able to discuss things with 86 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,439 people outside of the echo chamber, and um, you know, one of 87 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,319 the things that I try to do with this show, and this is part 88 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,560 of what it's part of what made you interesting as a guest and why I 89 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:28,920 think Billy suggested you come on, is you know I, um, and 90 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,120 I'm an independent, but I would probably best describe my politics. And when 91 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,040 I go with this particular description, people seem to agree with me. I'm 92 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:41,319 center left, but with a heavy dose of libertarian in some ways too. 93 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:45,920 But I really like talking to um, you know, I I don't personally 94 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,279 enjoy having discussions that are strictly you know, ideological, the sort of cable 95 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,319 news to people yelling at each other. You know. I like to dig 96 00:06:53,399 --> 00:06:56,680 deeper, and I like talking to people whom uh you know. I mean, 97 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,920 of course, it's nice to talk to people with whom I agree. 98 00:06:58,959 --> 00:07:01,560 It's also nice to talk to people with whom I disagree and have a real 99 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:06,120 discussion and an exchange of ideas. And uh, my impression both from Billy 100 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,639 and what you had said on Messenger is that you're very open to that as 101 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,560 well, and that you like to address things outside the echo chamber. So 102 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,319 um, so I think that's very cool and I'm very interested in So a 103 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:23,560 couple things about you that are that are interesting also in addition to that that 104 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:26,839 I wanted to ask you about. UM. One is I would like to 105 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,000 hear your story about how Billy described you as a walk away from the Democratic 106 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:36,000 Party and you you alluded to it a moment ago as well, um that 107 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:41,439 you used to be a Democrat. And it's interesting you you said something interesting 108 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,920 in your conversation with Billy on his show. You were talking about how you 109 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,360 really kind of feel more like an independent. But you know the way the 110 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,160 system works in New York. You know, if you want to vote, 111 00:07:50,519 --> 00:07:53,879 or I suppose if you want to be a candidate in your case, because 112 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,000 you're an active candidates. You know, you're an active candidate. Independence generally 113 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,360 don't win, so you know you almost you almost have to pick a side, 114 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,000 um in that sense. But I do want to ask you more about 115 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:09,519 all of that your your journey and and and how you've changed politically or if 116 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:13,319 you have changed. You know, sometimes people will say regardless of which party 117 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:16,160 they left, you know. I hear people say, well the party didn't 118 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:18,639 you know, I didn't leave the party, the party left me. But 119 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,240 I'm curious to hear more about that. The other thing that's that's interesting about 120 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:26,519 you is, UM, so you are and and it's right on on the 121 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,800 website there that I was looking at. You know, you're you're openly gay 122 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:37,840 and in a party that I think I think there's a perception and and you 123 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,559 might refute this today, I don't know, or it might be a concern. 124 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:43,879 I'm curious to hear you address this. Um, but there is a 125 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:52,120 perception that the Republican Party today has kind of taken an anti LGBTQ bent or. 126 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,480 But then again, I also realize you're in New York and the Republican 127 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,840 Party of New York State is not the same as say no disrespect to the 128 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:05,559 South, but the Republican Party of Alabama. You know, So so maybe 129 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,720 maybe maybe where you are, and I suspect this is the case, but 130 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:13,919 I'll be interested to hear you address this. Maybe where you are, it 131 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,360 just doesn't matter. I mean, I know George Santos is an openly gay 132 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,879 Republican allegedly. Of course, you don't know whether you can believe anything anything 133 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,000 he says, but he is an openly gay Republican from New York, and 134 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:33,200 nobody seems to care that he's gay. So everyone's very interested in whether he's 135 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,200 actually telling the truth about anything. But nobody seems to care that he's gay. 136 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:39,200 So um, so you know, in the Northeast, maybe it's just 137 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,240 not an issue. I don't know, but I'd be curious to get your 138 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:46,399 perspective on that. But um, but yeah, any any of that that 139 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,759 you want to address. I know I threw a lot at you at once, 140 00:09:48,799 --> 00:09:52,000 but you're I'm very curious to learn more about you. And um, 141 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,200 your conversation with Billy left me with a lot of questions, so as you 142 00:09:56,279 --> 00:10:01,519 can tell Sore Oh no, absolutely, yeah, a lot of a lot 143 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,480 of ground at me. Um, you know where to start on the map? 144 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:11,919 Um, No, well, it is true. I was once I 145 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:16,720 was a registered Democrat identified actually self identified as a leftist at one point. 146 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,240 You know, I was involved as an activist more during the time when s 147 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:28,879 JW was more commonly used social justice warrior back back in those you don't you 148 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:33,799 don't really hear that anymore. UM. I had a journey, which UM, 149 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:39,120 I mean, there was a lot involved in it, and I came 150 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:43,879 to embrace more my conservative values. Now. Part of that journey, UM, 151 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,759 was indeed the fact, as you said, many people say I didn't 152 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:52,240 leave the party, the party left me. The Democratic Party went further to 153 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,879 the left. That's true. However, at around the same time, I 154 00:10:56,039 --> 00:11:01,440 was also connecting to some more of my conservative of root values that had that 155 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,679 had always been there. So it really, it really was a mixture. 156 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:11,039 UM. I can't I can't say that, you know now, I you 157 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:16,039 know, identifying as a conservative and speaking to conservative values, I can't say 158 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,000 that they weren't there at all. Right, they were there even when I 159 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:26,360 was more on the left. It's just how my interactions went on the left 160 00:11:26,759 --> 00:11:31,639 ultimately led to me embracing more of those conservative values, um, and ultimately 161 00:11:31,879 --> 00:11:37,799 rejecting a lot of the ideology that I saw on the rise on the left. 162 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,960 Now, you it is it is true that um. In regards I 163 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,679 like to say today, UM that I prefer to discuss values, not party. 164 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,679 Yes, Uh, and that that really has become more and more of 165 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:54,639 my focus. Uh. Not too long ago, I was having a discussion 166 00:11:54,759 --> 00:12:01,840 with two gentlemen about issues locally and as When we got done with our conversation, 167 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:05,559 you know, I was expressing my opinion. I was talking about specific 168 00:12:05,639 --> 00:12:07,919 issues. And when we got done with the conversation and the one guy left, 169 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:13,200 the other guy, who happens to be a Republican, a conservative like 170 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:16,240 myself, he goes, Wow, he goes, that was impressive, he 171 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:18,879 goes. Usually, when me and the other guy try to you know, 172 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,559 me and my other friend try to talk to him, you know, he's 173 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:28,480 hard Democrat and he will yell at us, get frustrated with us and all 174 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:31,159 that, And I go, I understand that, and I've had that experience 175 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,080 as well. But did you notice something in our conversation. Not once did 176 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:41,360 I mention party affiliation during this entire conversation. I just spoke about the issues 177 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,639 and my personal values, which well, that leaving party out of it allowed 178 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:52,600 us to have a better connection. Yeah, that makes sense, because you 179 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,240 when you had that conversation with Billy on his show, you were talking about 180 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:01,320 that there's a moment that I and I wanted to kind of mention this to 181 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,120 you, and and I liked what you had to say. There's a moment 182 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,440 where you gave him, you offered him some advice on you know, he's 183 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,399 he's uh. He was talking about his daughter and a political sort of a 184 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,600 political conversation interaction that he had had with his daughter. And you said to 185 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:20,840 Billy, can I give you some advice and the advice that you gave him? 186 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,480 And I won't, uh, I'm sure I won't get it out as 187 00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:28,240 eloquently as you put it, because I really liked what you had to say. 188 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:31,879 But your suggestion was, you know, start with you know, don't 189 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:37,919 don't talk about political party with your daughter, talk about specific issues and uh 190 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:41,759 and and and just stick to that. And I really, again, the 191 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,120 way you said it was very very good. UM. I can't remember exactly 192 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,159 how you put it, but it really resonated with me because, you know, 193 00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:54,759 I feel like we live in a world where people are so hyper focused 194 00:13:54,840 --> 00:14:03,320 on party identification and ideology that there's no room to even um, express anything 195 00:14:03,399 --> 00:14:07,279 outside of what's expected to you. Uh. For example, on social media, 196 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:13,480 UM, if you are on either left or right, you know, 197 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,759 if you're if you're a Republican and uh. And and you say, well, 198 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:20,320 you know, I'm a Republican, but here's something that I do give 199 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,320 President Biden credit for. I think he's right on. You know, maybe 200 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,440 you know the way he's supplied weapons in Ukraine or whatever. If that's something 201 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,000 you happen to agree with him on. If you if you give Biden credit 202 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:33,559 for anything as a Republican, you'll get dog piled. You'll get called a 203 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:37,600 rhino. You know, you'll get called a I don't know, a socialist 204 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,120 whatever it is, right. Uh. And and in the inverse, if 205 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,879 you're a Democrat and you say, well, you know, I don't I 206 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:48,000 don't like Trump, but I did agree with him on the debt ceiling. 207 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,879 That was something that he got right. Uh, you'll get dog piled by 208 00:14:52,039 --> 00:14:56,679 your your fellow Democrats and it's like, how can you dare say anything good 209 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,720 about Trump? And um so uh it's and and that just perpetuates, you 210 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:05,159 know, we we we live in a world where it's like you've really you're 211 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,039 expected to be locked in on one side or the other. And so I 212 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:15,039 think your approach is smart. Uh, you know, talk about the you 213 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,000 know, forget about the political identification. Uh, start with the issues and 214 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,759 and and go from there because at the end of the day, especially when 215 00:15:24,799 --> 00:15:28,720 you're talking about local things, UM, I think there's a lot of room 216 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:31,600 for agreement, you know, if you're talking about if you're running for city 217 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:35,679 council or something like that, I think there's probably a lot more room for 218 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:41,840 agreement and less room for ideology uh than there isn't on a broader scale anyway. 219 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,279 So I think what, Uh, the way you approach it and the 220 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:48,039 way you think about it, I think makes a lot of sense. We've 221 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,159 gotten a we we've gotten to a point where if you're talking about a politician, 222 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,440 whether they be Democrat, Republican, whatever they may be, and you 223 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:02,200 are on that opposite end of the political spectrum at least that's your party affiliation, 224 00:16:02,559 --> 00:16:06,440 and you do speak kind of to them in any way, you do 225 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,240 get that attack. Unfortunately, we are that polarized. Although I would say 226 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:15,399 that we're polarized in regards to what the media highlights, in regards to what 227 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:19,840 the politicians highlight, but not so much when it comes to day today Americans, 228 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:26,360 everyday americans who I feel actually can have more conversations and I know, 229 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:29,960 in fact we can because I've taken part in those conversations. It's more on 230 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:33,159 the social media where I get the conflict, but in person, I've had 231 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:37,080 in depth conversations with people on the opposite end of the political spectrum. Sure 232 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:42,200 we did not agree, but we remain civil absolutely, and I think in 233 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:47,840 part that's because we and I was I had a friend once kind of put 234 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:49,840 it this way. He was saying, you know, it's kind of like 235 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:53,600 we're at this point. You know, say there was a historical a dictator, 236 00:16:53,679 --> 00:17:00,240 a monstrous dictator, right, and that dictator happened to say, um, 237 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:03,039 puppies are cute. Well, after that point, no one could ever 238 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:08,240 say puppies are cute because this dictator said it right, right, So no 239 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,680 one no one can say puppies are cute now, um, you know. 240 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:17,519 So it's it's very interesting that we have gotten into that, and it's it 241 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,000 does exist on both sides of the aisle, all across the political spectrum. 242 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:25,599 Now, for me personally, it's interesting because I look back to my roots 243 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,440 and where I came from. One of the things I actually feel very fortunate 244 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:34,920 in regards to is that I did not have very political parents. My parents 245 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:38,839 never discussed voting with me. To be honest, some people may not look 246 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:44,559 fondly upon that, um, you know, for various reasons. But it's 247 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:48,039 just not who my parents were. And I remember once asking them about voting, 248 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,160 and both my parents had the same view, why bother they're all crooked 249 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:57,319 anyways, across across the board. And that's a common view actually. But 250 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:03,680 for me, especially when I enter college and I started looking at the world 251 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,319 around me, I realized something that was true, whether I liked it or 252 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,839 not. You know, there's the saying that you don't have to believe in 253 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,599 the devil. All that matters is the devil believes in you. And that's 254 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,039 true when it comes to politics. You can say you don't care about politics. 255 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,480 You can say that you don't you don't care. You know, it 256 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:26,720 doesn't impact your life, but that's just not true. I had a conversation 257 00:18:26,759 --> 00:18:30,599 with a friend who lives in a more rural area and he was telling me 258 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:33,079 earlier, he had been telling me in the week about he was putting in 259 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,160 a duck pond and you know, in a coup for the ducks and all 260 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,920 that stuff. And then later on he was telling me how politics doesn't impact 261 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:44,799 his life, you know, so he just doesn't want anything to do with 262 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,759 it. And I remembered back to our earlier conversation and I asked him, 263 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,400 owing the answer probably, I said, I have a question. You think 264 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,000 politics doesn't impact your life? I got a question. Did you check all 265 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:57,440 the zoning laws and regulations when you put in that pond and you put in 266 00:18:57,519 --> 00:19:02,519 that coup, because if you did not follow them to the tea, those 267 00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:07,880 were passed, those rules were passed by government, by local government. So 268 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,559 yes, it does. In politics impacts us from the moment we are born 269 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,000 and before we go we were born. Though you know, if you're born 270 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:18,240 in a hospital, there are regulations, policies at the hospital has to follow 271 00:19:18,279 --> 00:19:23,759 that have been implemented by government. Government does impact us from womb to tomb 272 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,000 um and even after the tomb to be honest, because they can you know, 273 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,640 semeties. So I mean, politics does impact you, whether you like 274 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,039 it or not. Some one thing to that that realization. When I entered 275 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:38,960 college, I got involved, and at the time it was more on the 276 00:19:40,039 --> 00:19:41,519 left. I was actually I was an activist. I was a co founder 277 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:45,559 of the of one of the GSAs at my college. Um at the first 278 00:19:45,599 --> 00:19:51,720 college I went to, and I really did fall into more with the left, 279 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,799 and for me, that did end up eventually taking more of an extreme 280 00:19:56,079 --> 00:20:02,200 turn at one point to where I did cut out family over over politics. 281 00:20:02,279 --> 00:20:04,359 The one thing I never did, I never told anyone they didn't have a 282 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:10,160 right to speak. Um, this is where it honestly started to change for 283 00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:15,680 me is when I actually got that treatment in return, and I'm actually thankful 284 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:19,680 that I did. To be honest, I started to question things on the 285 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:23,440 left at the time. And like I said, I don't say this to 286 00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:30,279 say that everyone who has left or leaning has these personality traits or takes part 287 00:20:30,319 --> 00:20:34,000 in this behavior. Of course, I'm speaking to the experience I had during 288 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,759 my journey from the left to the right. And you know, and I've 289 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:45,039 met I've met people on the right who are very big on if you don't 290 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,519 have this specific view, then you're cut off right, nothing nothing to do 291 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:52,279 with you. But for me, I experienced it largely on the left and 292 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:57,119 still do to the to this day. Um, what it happened was, 293 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,319 I think, as I always I always kind of say, I think what 294 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:07,200 really ultimately was going to result in my conflict with the left was that I'm 295 00:21:07,319 --> 00:21:12,799 very stubborn and I don't respond well to people trying to put me in my 296 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:19,039 place. I'm someone who always asked questions. I wasn't the child who easily 297 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:26,640 accepted when my parents told me something. I wasn't the child to really accept 298 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,359 because I said so. I was the child who would ask why yeah, 299 00:21:30,759 --> 00:21:33,599 And I view that as important. You tell a child not to touch a 300 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,480 burning stove, why not explain to them why they shouldn't touch the hot stove 301 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:41,359 because they could get hurt. Instead of just saying because I said so, 302 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:47,559 right, They're more likely to rebel against that and actually touch the stove and 303 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,400 get and get burnt. But if you explain to them why, you're gonna 304 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,000 probably have a different result. I mean, they could still do it, 305 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,640 you know, but but you're probably gonna at least they're gonna have a better 306 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:02,920 understanding. And I really had that personality from the time I was very young. 307 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:06,559 Trust me, it frustrated my mother at times, but my mother let 308 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,319 me. Let my mother understood where my logic was was going. And ultimately, 309 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:17,599 I think this personality trait is what eventually caused me to conflict with the 310 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:22,799 left as it moved further and further to the left, because when I entered 311 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,160 the left, there was a lot of things that were preached that I absolutely 312 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:30,440 believed in and still do actually believe into this day. It's just when I 313 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:36,920 noticed a lot of double standards and hypocrisy on the rise, that was when 314 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,839 I started to conflict, because I started to ask more questions. Yeah, 315 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,519 and I do have a few examples of those that I found where I was 316 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:51,559 starting to like. For example, you know, there was this we would 317 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:53,240 say, all right, you shouldn't judge someone by the color of their skin. 318 00:22:53,759 --> 00:22:59,400 Absolutely, absolutely, you shouldn't. That's wrong. That's racist. To 319 00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:02,799 have a pre against someone based on the color of their skin. That is 320 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,359 racism. That is the definition of racism. Right. It's wrong to judge 321 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,960 someone's entire character based on their sex. Absolutely absolutely agreed with that, and 322 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:18,079 I still agree with that deeply. It's wrong to judge someone hate someone based 323 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,839 on their sexual orientation, and you know, in regards homosexuality, heterosexual Still 324 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,400 I still believe that. However, I noticed that there became more and more 325 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,640 among my friends this double standard, meaning they believed that racism only went one 326 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:37,440 way, sexism only one way, hating someone based on sexual orientation only went 327 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:42,599 went only went one way, and that if you were the oppressed quote unquote 328 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:49,599 demographic, you had every right to treat other people however you wanted based on 329 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:56,200 these characteristics because you were the oppressed. And that just didn't sit right with 330 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:02,319 me. I think that it's just as wrong for me to attack a heterosexual 331 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,279 man for being heterosexual, to call him some kind of name a slur related 332 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:10,240 to that, as it would be for him to call me a slur in 333 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,880 regards to my sexual orientation. I saw that as just as wrong. But 334 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:19,640 unfortunately on the progressive left right now, they don't see that, as they 335 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:26,519 see one is wrong but not the other. Um but where were these Were 336 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:30,119 there expert personal experiences that you had where this came up? Because I don't, 337 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,200 I don't, I mean, I well, first of all, let 338 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,319 me just say so, I fundamentally agree with you. I mean, any 339 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,680 anybody, uh, you know, being prejudiced against anyone is as a form 340 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,519 of prejudice. Like I'm not a big fan of the term and you might 341 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:47,000 agree, I'm not a big fan of the term reverse racism. I think 342 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,279 racism is racism. Yeah yeah, um, but but I am I am 343 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,119 curious. So, uh, I mean, were there personal experiences that you 344 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:02,039 were having or did something happen to you online? Where where you began to 345 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:06,920 notice? Because I don't feel like I see while I agree with you, 346 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:12,799 um, in principle, I haven't. Granted, I don't really engage much 347 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,480 online in politics. I kind of save it all for the show. Um. 348 00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:22,279 But I so I agree with you in principle, but it's not something 349 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,279 I've seen. Like, I can't, off the top of my head think 350 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:33,640 of a lot of examples of straight people being attacked for being straight. I'm 351 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,960 not sure. So I'm just can you clarify that a little bit. I'm 352 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,279 just curious where where you were running into that and and and if you can 353 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:47,240 walk us through how you responded to that when you encountered it, and how 354 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:53,359 that drew you to to see hypocrisy and double standards and so forth. Well, 355 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,359 let me, I guess, let me explain, because I know the 356 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,960 perspective you're coming from. In my personal life. When I say I was 357 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,599 an activist, well I may not have you know, been high up there 358 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,039 and gotten a lot of attention. I was very much involved in activism, 359 00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:12,599 and I did end up with friends who went further and further to left, 360 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,480 like not just people on social media, people in my circle of friends who, 361 00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:19,640 for example, over a political disagreement, one friend I had, he 362 00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:23,920 did try to get someone fired from their job. He t but he docks 363 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:30,079 them, like I knew people who honestly were at that level of encouraging people 364 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:37,480 to cut off family even divorce their spouses over political disagreements. Like my circle 365 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:42,880 of friends was hard went hard left. So it wasn't even social media, 366 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,480 which, don't get me wrong, I experienced that on social media, of 367 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,079 course. Yeah, I was part of a law of left leaning political groups 368 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,839 and chats and everything like that. But I had people in my life, 369 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,920 people I had known for years, who were also of this mentality and actually 370 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:03,319 took part in the actions. And like when I had the falling out with 371 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,000 my family member over politics, a lot of my friends encouraged me to cut 372 00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:11,599 her out of my life and never talk to her again. And this was 373 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,839 someone who is my baby cousin. I'm about I'm all about four years older 374 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:21,319 than her, and I was there when she was born and we had a 375 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,559 falling out over politics. And at the time I was much more extreme and 376 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:32,279 much more of you know that you gotta agree with me on this or else 377 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:36,200 I don't want to talk to you. And I was surrounded by people who 378 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:41,480 had that same mentality and encouraged that mentality in me. Now, I still 379 00:27:41,559 --> 00:27:44,319 made the decision, right, I'm not No one held a gun to my 380 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,119 head or anything, but not to say that someone want to do that these 381 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,279 days, it seems like some might, but no, I still made that 382 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,599 decision. So I still take responsibility for my actions there. I'm not going 383 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,440 to sit here and claim that I was completely helpless they I was. I 384 00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,200 was was to you know, by threat of my life or anything. I 385 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,160 ultimately was the one that made those decisions. But all so that was my 386 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:11,599 circle of friends. Or just to clarify, because I actually marched on Washington, 387 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:18,359 DC. I protested outside my capital. I went to organizational meetings, 388 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:26,279 I helped organize protests, I spoke at protests. I was deeply involved on 389 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,640 in regards to the activity locally when it came to the left. Yeah, 390 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:36,119 yeah, um, I will actually, uh, I want to kind of 391 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,279 retract and rephrase something I said when you mentioned when you mentioned specifically people trying 392 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:48,640 to get people fired from their jobs or because of maybe not you know, 393 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:52,759 whatever it is, their their position or something. I have seen examples of 394 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,160 that. Actually, so I was not. I'm realizing now I'm because as 395 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,359 you're talking, I'm thinking of specific things you know, where Um. It 396 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,920 kind of reminds me of the what what Candice Owens talked about. Although in 397 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:11,480 I don't believe her story, I do believe your story because I've seen examples 398 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,880 of what you're talking about. I have, and it's starting to come back 399 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,839 to me. Candice. I don't. I don't. I don't know how 400 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,680 you feel about her. I don't believe her. But that's a separate conversation. 401 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:22,440 But I but I know what you're saying, and it's it's, um, 402 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:29,920 yeah, if if somebody, um, you know, somebody does something 403 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,359 that that someone perceives as uh and and they may be right in their perception 404 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,000 that it's prejudiced or something, and then they go and they try to get 405 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:41,759 that person fired from their job, uh that type of thing. Uh yeah, 406 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:45,640 I don't like to see that either. I think I think people do 407 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,759 go much too far with that or the dock singe that goes on. And 408 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:53,559 so I I understand, Uh, you're being repelled by that, Um, 409 00:29:55,359 --> 00:29:59,920 I've never I've never been an activist in that way, so I've not experienced 410 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,279 that. But I've never been in that position either. But I have seen 411 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,720 that kind of thing happen, Kevin, So I do get where you're coming 412 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:11,200 from on that, and let me let me just because you asked for a 413 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:17,319 specific examples, So, um, there were specific examples, especially around twenty 414 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:21,759 sixteen going into twenty seventeen, because obviously that's when things really heated up. 415 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,039 Yeah, and that was when you know, I cut out a family member. 416 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,519 But then I started to really question myself on that. I over politics, 417 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:36,680 was going to cut out someone that I had known literally since the day 418 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:41,559 she was born. Yeah, over over politics. I had a falling out 419 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,359 with well, my in laws event you know, eventually for a little bit. 420 00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:49,799 And you know, I don't regret. Some people might say they regret 421 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:55,079 these falling out, these falling outs, I don't because I stepped back and 422 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,759 reflected on them and more I became critical of myself. What could I have 423 00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:03,200 done differently, What could I have said differently? Yeah, and some of 424 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,720 them, some of the things that happened personally where I actually became a target 425 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,839 in my circle of friends UM started around that time. So I don't know 426 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:21,559 if you recall UM when a group of four UM young individuals who happened to 427 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:27,079 be black kidnapped a young UM man with mental health issues and tortured him and 428 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:33,200 recorded it, you know, and we're we're calling and we're using racial slurs 429 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,599 and you know, uh, you know, towards towards white's. During that, 430 00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:41,079 I remember in my group of friends saying, oh, okay, here's 431 00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:47,200 an act of racism. Just as we've called out acts of racism against other 432 00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:52,359 other demographics, other racial demographics, here's an act of racism that we should 433 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,319 call out as well. Like I said, in my mind, racism is 434 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,839 racism and it's wrong and we should call out. But when I went to 435 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,799 call that out, people in my own circle of friends said, no, 436 00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:07,039 you can't do that. That's not racism. Was that a violent act yes? 437 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,880 Was that prejudice yes? And I'm like prejudices in the definition of racism, 438 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,039 But you know, I started getting push pushed back with that. UM. 439 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:20,319 Another thing that that happened to me is I had made a lot of 440 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:27,599 posts critical of Christianity in regards to while the LGBT community UM and I had. 441 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,119 You know, I had made a number of posts and friends had my 442 00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:34,119 friends in my closed circle, they had liked and shared them. Well, 443 00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:37,599 I made a similar post, except this post I was being critical of Islam 444 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:43,920 in regards to how it has how that how that religion has treated homosexuals, 445 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,839 um and other people from the community over over our span of years. And 446 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,200 I was told I couldn't, I should take down that post because my post 447 00:32:54,279 --> 00:33:00,279 against Christianity will fine, but my my post being critical of Islam, we're 448 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:05,240 wrong because in the context of America, we're talking about minority demographic. So 449 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,519 I'm punching down and this just didn't make sense to me. I realized what 450 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,559 came. The biggest issue I had was inconsistency and logic. If you have 451 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,039 a specific set of values and you don't apply them equally across the board, 452 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:25,240 I have to question you. I have to question if you can and then 453 00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:30,119 you don't acknowledge the double standards, the hypocrisy at play in your own mind. 454 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,960 Don't get me wrong, we all have our double standards, right, 455 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,240 like when it comes to policy, like there are things that yes, children 456 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:43,880 shouldn't do, but adults can, right, That's that's one case where absolutely 457 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,440 into me. That's that's legitimate. I stand by that. But this was 458 00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:54,400 very different, and more and more I started speaking on issues and getting told 459 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,960 to be quiet by those in my circle of friends, to the point where 460 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:07,039 I was actually removed from several uh messaging groups that I had been part of 461 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,039 on social media where I actually knew the people in person. And then one 462 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:15,239 individual was amusing the one that tried to get a guy fired from his job. 463 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:20,639 Yeah, there was a protest locally in front of in front of my 464 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,159 police station. Actually, and this I had already been started being very open 465 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,599 about my criticisms of the left, and I had starting I had started to 466 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,559 embrace more of my conservative values in part as a result of that, started 467 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,360 reflecting more upon who I really am, really soul searching. But during that 468 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,119 time I hadn't heard from him as much. Yeah, I happened to go 469 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,280 to that protest. I saw him there. He kind of looked at me, 470 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,199 then looked away, and someone I had been at his house. I 471 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,760 had celebrated with him, celebrated birthdays, like really, we had hung out, 472 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:53,840 and sure enough I went to look him up on social media. Not 473 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,960 only had he unfriended me, on social media he had blocked me as well. 474 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:05,559 Yeah, so this is what started to happen. And I think one 475 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:12,159 big thing issue for me was my unwavering belief in free speech, no matter 476 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,960 what, even my days when I was the furthest to the left I had 477 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,960 ever gotten. I still while I might cut people out, I might have 478 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,440 cut people out, I still didn't believe that they should be silenced, right. 479 00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:28,400 I still believed that they had a right to speak to their values, 480 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:32,199 to what they believed, even if their values hurt my feelings. I just 481 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,760 wanted to associate with them if it hurt my feelings. I believed that to 482 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,639 my core and I still do so. When a number of my friends started 483 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,480 taking those actions of well, we're gonna work to get people fired, We're 484 00:35:45,519 --> 00:35:50,840 gonna even you know docs, people release their information and even sometimes go after 485 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,599 family members, all because people were just speaking their values, that for me 486 00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:00,320 was like, I'm done. I have to step away from this, And 487 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:05,760 that was when my journey really started to where I am today. Yeah yeah, 488 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,519 um no, I can. I can understand all of that, and 489 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:15,159 now I'm curious, uh, the other aspect that I'm really interested in it. 490 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,960 So, um it is my theory, correct, Kevin, that you 491 00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:22,159 as a as an openly gay man in the Republican Party in the state of 492 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,119 New York, probably not an issue. Or have you or have you run 493 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:30,480 in any have you run in any problems with that where where maybe some maybe 494 00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:36,280 somebody just uh gives you a hard time. So I'm not someone who tries 495 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,360 to um blind myself to reality or tries to deny truth. Um. Of 496 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:45,639 course the Republican Party has not had a history that has been great with individuals 497 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:51,559 who like myself, I are gay, right, Yeah, yeah, that's 498 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:53,840 that's a fact. Then again, it wasn't too long ago that you had 499 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:58,559 Biden up there talking about marriage being between a man and a woman. So 500 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,360 but furthermore, I want, I want to um, I put it this 501 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:06,559 way now with people, because people do say to me, how can you 502 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,719 vote this way? How can you have these values when the party that you're 503 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:15,360 a part of, um, you know, have had has had this history 504 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,119 when it comes to the LGBT community. Well, I'm like, well, 505 00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,719 first of all, there's a great deal in the LGBT community that I stand 506 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:29,760 firmly against what I see, especially in the current lgbt Q. All the 507 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:35,519 way to z a community that I just I absolutely, am adamantly against. 508 00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:37,800 So, first of all, there's that. And second of all, even 509 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:45,000 if let's say the Republican Party today put out a platform that all homosexuals should 510 00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:49,599 be put to death, right, even if that were to happen today, 511 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,360 my values on freedom of speech, the first Amendment would be the same, 512 00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:01,119 The Second Amendment would be the same, Abortion would be the same, border 513 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:07,960 issues would be the same. I would still have these values. So would 514 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,559 I vote for a politician that wanted me put to death? No, But 515 00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:15,480 I would vote for a politician that supported, that fought for the values that 516 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:22,800 I preach. And yes, they happen to be conservative and Republican. And 517 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,880 that's just the fact. So when people try to bring up the history, 518 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,639 I'm like, well, that's also the point. It's history, right, 519 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,599 yeah, because we can spend all day going down history, going down that 520 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,639 road as to who did what and who did when? I mean, do 521 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,760 you want to go back to segregation? Do you want to go back to 522 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,079 Democratic Party? I mean how far do you want to take this? Well? 523 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,559 Yeah, yeah, no, I understand that. But what I'm curious, 524 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:51,079 though, Kevin is like, do you get any pushback. You know, 525 00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:53,599 you're a candidate for office as a Republican, do you get any pushback 526 00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:59,199 in your own party in New York Because because if you look at the Republican 527 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,800 Party's history with say, for example, marriage equality, um uh, you 528 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,440 know, obviously there are Republicans. Well I'll just give you just a quick 529 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,679 example. So here in New Hampshire, we were actually ahead of the curve 530 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:15,360 on marriage equality because um and uh Jenny was was serving in the in the 531 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,000 House, uh, in the legislature here uh in New Hampshire at the time. 532 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:27,559 But um so uh there there were a large contingent of Republicans uh in 533 00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:31,159 New Hampshire who voted in favor of marriage equality and then voted against repealing it 534 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,599 when some Republicans tried to repeal it in the next term. So so we 535 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,960 were ahead of the curve. But part of what contributed to that was was, 536 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,760 you know, some Republicans who said, no, we we we, 537 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,199 you know, let's let's go ahead and let's go ahead and do this. 538 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,199 Uh. Not not all of them, of course, plenty of them opposed 539 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:52,480 it as well, but um and there there are certainly Republicans who who bristle 540 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:58,079 at the idea of undoing that for example, um so, um so, 541 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,440 there are a lot of Republicans who are pro aage equality. But I'm just 542 00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:05,840 wondering, I mean, do you do you run into any any fellow Republicans 543 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,239 or Republicans you've campaigned with, for example, who who have any issue. 544 00:40:09,519 --> 00:40:15,320 Again, I wouldn't think that it would be a problem in in New York, 545 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,679 not to you know, bring Northeastern elitism into it. But you know 546 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,159 we can We're both Northeasterners. We can do that. Um. Whereas you 547 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,360 know, if you were if you were running for city council in Alabama or 548 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,960 Mississippi or Oklahoma, you know, as a Republican, you you might very 549 00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:39,440 well, uh you know, you might run into some trouble. But I'm 550 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,639 wondering, have you had any of that here or or has it? Has 551 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,599 that part been pretty smooth because to your credit, you don't try to hide 552 00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:51,440 it. Um. You know, again the website I was looking at, 553 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,360 you know, you could try to slide one by and refer to your partner 554 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,199 on that website, but you don't. You refer to him as your husband. 555 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,880 If you had said partner and captain ambiguous, you might foolsome people. 556 00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:07,679 But you're not trying to fool anybody, which I really respect you for um. 557 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,159 Because of the position that you're in, no one could blame you if 558 00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:14,320 you did try to sneak one by, you know what I mean. So 559 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,039 and so, so it's it's so it's interesting, I guess, first of 560 00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:22,079 all, it's a matter of my approach, right, Yeah, is to 561 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,679 me. To me, there's nothing special in that I that I do reference 562 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:30,840 my husband in my description. I've seen plenty of profiles where, you know, 563 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,840 a male candidate will say my wife in regards to explaining why he's running 564 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,880 for office, my wife, my family. I'm running because I want my 565 00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:44,239 family to have to live in a safer, safer community. And that's the 566 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,440 thing is first of all, I want to stress, Yeah, I am 567 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,679 not a gay candidate. I am not a gay Republican. I am a 568 00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:55,000 Republican candidate who happens to be gay, who happens to be a homosexual. 569 00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:01,519 So gay is not the priority of my identity. Yeah, It's not something 570 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:07,280 I put any work into. It's something I just am. So that's also 571 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,079 the idea of taking pride in that. To me, one of the things 572 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:15,440 is taking pride in an identity that you didn't work for. That's where you 573 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:20,039 get into narcissism and you get into more entitlements. So for me, when 574 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:23,199 I when I go to speak to a Republican on the street or not, 575 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:28,199 you know, I knock on their door, I don't introduce myself as HI, 576 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,920 I'm Kevin the homosexual. I introduced myself as HI, my name is 577 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,320 Kevin Hammer. I'm running for city council. UM. These are the issues 578 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:42,920 that I'm focusing on, and that's where the conversation is. YEA, have 579 00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:47,039 I had Have I interacted with any pushback? Yeah, I've interact But to 580 00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:52,440 me, it's no different. So so I have out with Republicans, h 581 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,519 I had. I do have an example of one Republican who couldn't get past 582 00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:01,159 the fact that I happened to be a homosexual man. But at the same 583 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:07,480 time, I have people on the left who can't get past the fact that 584 00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:13,400 I'm a homosexual who's a Republican. So I witnessed it on both sides. 585 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,800 Now, when some marriage equality, specifically, I was involved as an activist 586 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,639 during that time. I actually marched on Washington, DC for the Equality March 587 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:25,960 in two thousand and nine. Um so, yeah, yes, it was 588 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:30,760 two thousand and nine. I believe, um so, I was involved, 589 00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:35,119 you know, in that. But to be honest, my view even on 590 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,519 that to a degree has changed in regards to what I why I personally was 591 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:44,039 was fighting for was is I wanted legal protections. I wanted to be able 592 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:50,760 to have to live my life with with a man that I fell in love 593 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,519 with, and not have to worry about my family or anyone else coming in 594 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,960 during certain times, say I was injured in the hospital, I didn't want 595 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,320 to worry about my family coming in and laying claim to me. I didn't 596 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,800 want to worry about if I were to pass away my spouse, you know, 597 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,800 being able to inherit what I leave him in my will. I didn't 598 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,159 want to worry about that. Now a lot of people say, well, 599 00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,159 you could still follow those you know, the legal processes and leave. The 600 00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:21,400 problem is is that there was a history of it when we didn't have those 601 00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:24,719 legal protections that even if someone said, Okay, I'm going to sign off 602 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:30,480 that this person makes all medical decisions for me if I'm incapacitated, or that 603 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,480 my items go to this families would often come in and there was a history 604 00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:38,599 of this and challenge it on the basis of morality and even say, well, 605 00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:46,840 we feel that our relative was brainwashed into this lifestyle, and therefore we 606 00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:50,760 want you know, we want custody, we want a right to him to 607 00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:53,400 make these decisions about his health, or we want to right to his estate. 608 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,719 And if a judge, if a judge's morality was in line with that 609 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,559 family, quite off, didn't It didn't matter if there was a will, 610 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,639 it didn't matter, you know, if anything was on paper, the judge 611 00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:08,440 would go with that. So for me, it wasn't about even the word 612 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:14,800 marriage. I just wanted security in the fact that there were legal protections for 613 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,079 me and the man that I love. Yeah, that's a big that's a 614 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:22,119 big part of why, um civil unions in my view that wasn't enough. 615 00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:25,719 You know, that was sort of the compromise when we when when civil unions 616 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,280 came in and it was like, well but but as you know, some 617 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,159 of the examples that you gave are reasons why even civil unions didn't quite hold 618 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,159 up. And that's that's one of the reasons why it was it was so 619 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,039 important in my view. You know, like I said, I've always been 620 00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:43,760 pro marriage equality. But m Kevin, we are You've been very generous with 621 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,519 your time. We're already it's about ten minutes of five, so we'll we'll 622 00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,440 let you go. I know you got to get to get to dinner and 623 00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:53,199 so forth. But UM, not to put you on the spot, but 624 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,719 I would like to do this again soon because I've really enjoyed the conversation and 625 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,360 I feel like we barely scratched the surface. And uh, you know, 626 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,599 you're an interesting guy. So I do hope we can do this again soon. 627 00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:08,760 But before we let you go, please, is there anything that we 628 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:14,360 should know for anyone who might be listening online in your area, where where 629 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,440 they should go to learn more about your campaign or social media or anything you 630 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,480 want to make sure our listeners know about, or anything that you're that you 631 00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:29,159 might be involved in online politically or otherwise that people should know about. Well, 632 00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,559 I mean, for um, in regards to my campaign, where you 633 00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:37,440 can learn more about me and also my other amazing candidates who are running alongside 634 00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:40,840 me. I really do have some great people surrounding me. You on Facebook, 635 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:46,159 you can go to your GOP candidates for Schenectady City Council. It is 636 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:52,639 actually the same on Twitter. Um there you can find links to our website 637 00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:57,199 and just just learn more about us. But ultimately, I guess what I 638 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,719 want to leave people with is just to really work on avoiding the echo chambers 639 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:08,159 that we have today in our society, regardless of whether they are on the 640 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:14,159 right or the left. Echo chambers, I truly believe are one of the 641 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,199 greatest dangers in our society today. We once you get trapped in them, 642 00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:24,199 you get this mentality to actually hate the other side. Yes, And the 643 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:30,119 scary thing about that is once you convince yourself to hate someone, to hate 644 00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:36,119 a group of people, history shows us that eventually you can justify doing the 645 00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:39,519 most horrific things to those individuals. So get out of your echo chambers. 646 00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:43,079 If you're in it, think about your Think about your life for a moment. 647 00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:45,079 Say do I have a friend, not an acquaintance. Do I have 648 00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:52,159 a friend or someone that I can have deeper conversations with who's other different perspective 649 00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:57,239 on this issue or that issue, or a different political affiliation. And do 650 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,320 we have these conversations. If not, work on changing that, work on 651 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:07,440 making connections, because like I said, it's the it's the politicians, it's 652 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:13,719 the media. It's the hardcore activists that are creating this view that we are 653 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,880 so divided that we can't stand each other. But on the streets, I 654 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,199 feel that we very much still can have conversations. Oh yeah, and people 655 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,519 treat each other differently in person than they do on social media anyway. Absolutely. 656 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,599 Yeah, So, by the way, I would love to come back 657 00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:37,920 on. UM, I'm very much enjoying this conversation in your right. Over 658 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:42,000 all the topics in general, we've just barely scratched the surface. Yeah, 659 00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:47,119 because I've definitely had an interesting journey, uh, from from left to right 660 00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:52,199 and my walk away experience as well. Yeah, yeah, definitely, Well 661 00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,639 we will we'll set something up Jenny, Jenny will connect with you on that 662 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,960 and uh and and we'll make it happen because I've enjoyed this very much. 663 00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:04,519 All right, Kevin Hammer, thank you again so much for joining us today, 664 00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:08,119 and we will talk soon. Let's have a good day, all right, 665 00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:12,719 YouTube bye bye, all right, very good. That was Kevin Hammer, 666 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,400 a Republican from Schenectady, New York. He is on the ballot for 667 00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:19,519 a well I don't know if there's a ballot yet, but he's running for 668 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,760 city Council, Uh there in Schenectady, and uh yeah, and I you 669 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,840 know, I really like what he had to say about, you know, 670 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,079 getting out of the echo chambers because that's and that's part of the reason why 671 00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,159 I wanted to talk with him today is because that's something that we talk about 672 00:49:32,199 --> 00:49:35,880 a lot on this show, you know, and I really believe that, 673 00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:39,119 you know. In fact, we were talking just the other day about algorithms, 674 00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:43,960 you know, and how on social media, whether it be YouTube or 675 00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:49,360 Facebook or whatever it is, you're you're actively served up content that matches what 676 00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,920 you've already looked at, what you've already absorbed. So you're constantly being fed 677 00:49:53,079 --> 00:50:00,519 information that reinforces what you already think. And that's good and one sense, 678 00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:07,960 right from a customer service standpoint, because you want to you want to be 679 00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:16,800 suggested, so to speak, products or services or content that you are going 680 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,159 to be interested in. So you know, it's no different than on social 681 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,559 media in terms of content. It's no different from when say you're shopping on 682 00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:30,599 Amazon. You want to be presented with products that somehow align with things that 683 00:50:30,639 --> 00:50:36,440 you've previously purchased or things that you've previously looked at, so that all makes 684 00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:43,000 sense. So the algorithms are necessary evil. But the evil part in the 685 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,920 necessary evil is that, yeah, it does reinforce these echo chambers that we 686 00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:53,639 all get trapped in and that we're vulnerable too. And if you can have 687 00:50:54,119 --> 00:51:00,480 constructive intellectual discussions outside of that and outside of being you know, trapped in 688 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:04,239 an ideology. And you know, Kevin put it very well when he said, 689 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,840 what happens is that gets reinforced to the point where people who disagree with 690 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,159 each other begin to hate each other. And um, that's uh, that's 691 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:17,719 the worst partum, and a lot of terrible things become justified because of that 692 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:22,400 hatred. So yeah, so there you go, Blake, I said, 693 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,679 I feel like we barely scratched the surface with Kevin, so we will do 694 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:30,119 that again soon. From the studios of wm n H ninety five point three 695 00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:34,599 FM in downtown Manchester, New Hampshire, you are tuned in to the best 696 00:51:35,039 --> 00:52:12,679 of Matt Connerton Unleashed. We have a wonderful musical guest with us here, 697 00:52:13,039 --> 00:52:16,519 Andrea Paquin. I've learned how to pronounce the the last name correctly. How 698 00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:20,599 are you welcome? Thanks, How are you very well? Very well? 699 00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:23,000 Uh, looking forward to this. So you're gonna play a few a few 700 00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:27,119 tunes for us, and then we're gonna we're gonna talk get to know you 701 00:52:27,159 --> 00:52:29,800 a little bit. So um, this will be uh, this will be 702 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,360 fine. Oh and I will say before we go any further, hello to 703 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:36,760 Amy Bates, if one of my radio brethren, if she is listening, 704 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,239 which she probably I think she is. Yeah, I think I think she 705 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,440 most likely has. I actually shared the uh, I shared the Facebook feed 706 00:52:42,519 --> 00:52:45,559 to her page. So good, good good, So she'll definitely she'll definitely 707 00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:51,079 see it. Uh so uh, yeah, these are songs that are from 708 00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:52,559 your upcoming album? Is that correct? Yeah, I'm doing it. I'm 709 00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:57,000 doing a six song EP and I'm gonna do a few songs off of that 710 00:52:57,079 --> 00:52:59,760 project that I actually started the project today. So we can talk about that 711 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,800 after or if you'd like, absolutely, yeah, very very curious to know 712 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,800 more. Are my friend? I'll let you go ahead and introduce the first 713 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:17,960 song. Aren't the song it's called If you were mine? We could take 714 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:24,840 out time, but I want you by my side whatever we do. I'm 715 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:32,719 so happy if you would. Are you thinking of, oh what are you 716 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:43,239 thinking of? So much that was left behind? Sometimes on my mind. 717 00:53:44,039 --> 00:53:52,480 The view of the horizons new and I don't see an end insight. I 718 00:53:52,639 --> 00:54:01,039 don't see an end insight. Would it be all right to say I think 719 00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:13,159 our stars are a line. I'd be a true O man. Take if 720 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:22,840 you were mine. I know you've been down and out. To open up 721 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:29,760 your eyes and see that blue sky. It will be all that you ever 722 00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:40,119 need. It will be all you never need. There is nothing I wouldn't 723 00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:46,159 do to see that you with you. I know I've been there too. 724 00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:53,519 But there's a whole living inside of me. There is a hope right here 725 00:54:53,599 --> 00:55:02,079 inside of me. Would it be he all right to say I think our 726 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:15,119 stars are aligne. I'd be a true O mate. If you were mine, 727 00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:30,000 I'd be a true oh mate, if you were mine. There is 728 00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:40,719 a feeling I am longing for. So hold me close, sitting beside me 729 00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:52,920 now, shoulder to shoulder, just you and me, just you, oh, 730 00:55:52,280 --> 00:56:17,639 just healing me. Would it be hard to say I think our stars 731 00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:34,079 are mine? I'd be a true mate if you were mine. I'd be 732 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:47,239 a true mate. If you were mine, I'd be a true matte if 733 00:56:47,360 --> 00:57:00,880 you were mine. Oh my God, I love your voice. Thank you, 734 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:06,559 I really do, absolutely were you gonna say, Mikey, looks you 735 00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:12,119 were about to say something that that describes my voice right now, there you 736 00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:15,760 go. Yeah, you're getting a lot of love in the chat room to 737 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:22,039 Jenny is in there of course and uh n h women folk Yeah group on 738 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,599 Facebook. Yeah, ye, my ladies, they say bravo. Anne Roy 739 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,760 is in there and says she's awesome, and also h Terry Waite, Oh 740 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,239 yeah nice, says hello. Yeah that was my friends in Connecticut. Yeah. 741 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,599 Oh, very good, very good. Um well yeah, let's keep 742 00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:44,480 going. What are you what are you gonna play? Next song? I'm 743 00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:49,599 gonna do And this is a song I'm gonna do a song all recovery. 744 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,599 Okay, this is also going to be on the new the new EP. 745 00:57:52,039 --> 00:58:22,800 Very good, very good. All right. I lost at see the dooking 746 00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:42,360 Home to beat my feet, I'm in eyes, no hell to stare. 747 00:58:46,000 --> 00:59:01,440 My blue sail was never really clear, and it arsites and me to a 748 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:15,639 baggest ship, Nolans in view. They aye vorces in me to a baggest 749 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:29,159 ship, Nolans in you. These starts are killing me. Oh and the 750 00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:57,000 recovery he starts are killing me. Oh and the recovery fund this their vote, 751 00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:17,079 I flee ending of my m meets I see, I fight to stay. 752 01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:40,480 Oh, the swells a longing four the sound of sir, and it 753 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:50,760 leads meet you, And I'm not sure how I swear I've been there before. 754 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:59,880 Yeah, in leads meet you, and I'm not sure how I swear 755 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:15,519 errupting there before he starts killing me. Oh, and need recovery. He 756 01:01:15,719 --> 01:02:15,400 starts killing me. Oh, and the recovery seem love it, love it. 757 01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:20,000 That is awesome. That is awesome. Anne Roy in the chat room 758 01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:24,800 says she exudes emotions. Definitely, Melanie Liberty, our friend from the great 759 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,440 state of Vermont. She says, she loves you, and uh, that 760 01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:34,880 was fantastic. Um. Miriam Banish says, great voice, thank you. 761 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,880 Yeah, you're getting a lot of love in there. Definitely, Definitely. 762 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,760 You want to play one more and then we'll and then we'll talk. Sure, 763 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,800 I'll do one more. All right, excellent if you're just joining us. 764 01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:47,719 Andrea Paquin is with us in studio. So I'm gonna do a song 765 01:02:47,800 --> 01:03:21,559 called this is Us. Okay, there's a hole in the wall behind the 766 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:30,719 picture frame that I took down. Look like the gaps in our history. 767 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:40,159 We often ignored for far too long, and these dozens of hangings made us 768 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:52,519 look so happy. But we were just covering up, covering eater, covering 769 01:03:52,840 --> 01:04:09,320 eater, covering it up, covering. We're so settled in our ways, 770 01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:18,599 we don't know what to say anymore. It's funny coming to me what I 771 01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:30,880 felt to see every day waking up, routine of the mundane we often ignore, 772 01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:40,119 and it fell into our laps. We never woke up. No, 773 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:50,320 we never woke up. Yeah, we never woke up. We never woke 774 01:04:50,719 --> 01:05:05,880 up. Now it's my dan. How did I not see it? Hits, 775 01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:24,719 It's it's us, And now its liding? How did I not see 776 01:05:25,239 --> 01:06:00,599 that, Hits? That's set us. There's a whole in the wall behind 777 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:13,760 the picture frame that I took down, like gaps in our history, we 778 01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:24,239 often ignored for far too long, and these dozens of hangings made us look 779 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:34,039 so happy. But we were just covering it up, covering meter, covering, 780 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:56,719 covering it up, covering meter. Now it's blinding. How did I 781 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:39,039 not see he it's no, it's bing not seeing it's it's us. Wonderful 782 01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:43,800 Andrea Paquin is here in studio with us. That was fantastic. Uh n 783 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,960 h women Folk in the chat room says, what a great way to start 784 01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:51,320 the weekend. Thank you, Andrea, thank you. And Jean Fougate Oh 785 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:55,199 yeah, I don't know if I'm saying that correctly. Uh. She gave 786 01:07:55,239 --> 01:07:57,760 a big smiley face. Awesome, So you're getting a lot of love in 787 01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,800 there. Jan Curtain Derosia. Oh nice, sounds great. Andrea, thank 788 01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,440 you, and uh, we have a call. This might be might be 789 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:09,079 a fan calling in. I'm maddie. It's scary. Hey Gary, what's 790 01:08:09,159 --> 01:08:14,519 up. What a beautiful voice, what a powerful voice? Yeah, thank 791 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:21,079 you? Or just and those songs are fantastic. I'm I'm just sitting here 792 01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:27,000 and wow, they're they're meaningful. Thank you. That's all I got. 793 01:08:27,119 --> 01:08:32,399 Meanings what she's singing, there's there's meanings and they kind of hit they kind 794 01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:36,039 of hit home a little so good. Well that's what music should do. 795 01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:43,159 Absolutely. Yeah, she's amazing. She's amazing cool, just that just that 796 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:47,199 powerfulness and her guitar playing is fantastic. Yeah, well, thank you, 797 01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:54,800 very good, very good. I'm I'm in love the love the love of 798 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:59,720 her voice. It's beautiful. But yeah, I always love Jenny. But 799 01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:06,039 yeah, we know it's fantastic. But yeah, what another what another great 800 01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:12,079 what another great musician that you had on? Yea, and yeah it starts 801 01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:15,520 the week on it starts the weekend up right. Really cool. Absolutely, 802 01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:19,359 I just add my I just had to add my two cents because you know, 803 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:25,760 being a musician and just she's really great. She's really really great. 804 01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,359 So I'll let you go out and till listen to more. Love you, 805 01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,439 Maddie, all right, Gary, love you, Jenny. And what a 806 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,560 lovely day. Thank you, thank you for the love, and thank you 807 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,760 for a wonderful day, Maddie. And thank you, thank you so much 808 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,439 for her She's great. Byebye, all right bye Gary, thank you for 809 01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,119 the call. Appreciate it. All right. That was our friend, Gary. 810 01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:48,439 And uh, we're gonna take a quick break. I'm actually gonna play 811 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:54,279 a studio track here of Andrea's boxer. This is another one of my favorites. 812 01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,479 Uh. That is on the website. It's a nice website, by 813 01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,720 the way, Andrea Paquin dot com. I'm a web site nerds, so 814 01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:05,960 I notice a nice websites. So no, Andrea Paquin is here with us 815 01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:47,880 in studio. Don't go away. There is plenty more to come. The 816 01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:58,199 day is long in the rain. It's holding out like a time boxer in 817 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:10,560 the rain. I want to throw a punch, buddy, due to much 818 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:23,159 chat on this sun, No, for sure, I am swearing up and 819 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:38,000 I have lostened up to take this gigantic fall. I didn't want to three. 820 01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:56,840 I stapping out one to free. The day is long and the sun 821 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:13,159 it's finally calm out. It's hotter than exterday. Let you down back now. 822 01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:27,800 That ain't no surprise to any one at all. But I bit myself 823 01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:40,239 back and keep on moving on. And this is where I say, but 824 01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:58,359 in one to three, I'm standing out. One to three, one two 825 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:46,880 three, I standing out wine shoot three. The day is long and the 826 01:13:47,359 --> 01:14:04,840 rain is holding out like a tire boxer in the ring. And on the 827 01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:09,920 couch. She just played a few wonderful songs for us. Andrea Paquin is 828 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,960 here. Welcome Andrea, Hi, how are you good? Good? It 829 01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:15,279 is uh wow, Thank you again for playing for us. That was fantastic. 830 01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,760 Thanks for having me, and you're getting a lot of love in the 831 01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,000 Facebook live chat. And um now you mentioned those are gonna be on an 832 01:14:21,079 --> 01:14:25,159 upcoming album that you're recording now, yes, yeah, actually today was the 833 01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:28,880 first day that I went into the studio. It's the Greenhouse Studio in Guildford, 834 01:14:29,079 --> 01:14:32,439 Okay. And so I recorded uh my master guitar tracks and some scratch 835 01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,319 vocals for the production piece. And then I'll be finishing up the actual production 836 01:14:36,399 --> 01:14:40,560 in Portland, Maine at a different studio. Oh okay, Now why Um, 837 01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:45,399 I'm always uh kind of a geek for knowing about recording and how why 838 01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,399 musicians approach it the way they do. So why why at different studios doing 839 01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:53,560 different parts of it? Oh, there's gonna be some more musicians in the 840 01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,439 Portland area that are going to be able to join, and we're gonnat to 841 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,720 earlier on the break that I'm gonna have some pedal steel. Um, yeah, 842 01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:02,079 the record, and I'm going to have this like little alt country feel 843 01:15:02,119 --> 01:15:04,800 to it. So yeah, and the Portland areas a lot of musicians that 844 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,640 are accessible in that actual studio, they have a lot of connections. So 845 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,840 We're gonna just wrap it up there, I think, and I'm gonna do 846 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,640 allment my master vocal tracks in Portland, Maine. What what's the studio in 847 01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:18,039 Portland. I think it's just the studio in Maine. The studio in Portland. 848 01:15:18,199 --> 01:15:20,159 Oh that's what it's called. I'm pretty sure that's what it's called. 849 01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:24,319 Oh yeah, I think so, don't quote me up. I'm not sure 850 01:15:24,399 --> 01:15:27,199 yet. That's cool. That's cool. Great music scene in Portland. Oh 851 01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:30,239 it's awesome. Yeah. I always always been a lot of very talented musicians 852 01:15:30,279 --> 01:15:32,359 there, so so that's gonna be uh yeah, you're also telling me during 853 01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:35,479 the break too, So it's gonna be kind of a different vibe than than 854 01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,760 your previous yeah, work, it'll be. It'll be a little similar, 855 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,439 but it's gonna be more of that alternative country feel, kind of like a 856 01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,600 like a like a Jayhawks type sound. Oh cool. Yeah, so definitely, 857 01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,520 like you know, just kind of incorporating some new instruments just to just 858 01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:54,479 to change it up a little bit. And um, I'm with I work 859 01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,479 with New Hampshire Music Collective. They are a booking agency throughout in Hampshire and 860 01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,359 so he they do a lot of my booking and they actually connected me with 861 01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:04,319 this studio. So oh very good. I worked out really well. Why 862 01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:10,520 the why the change and approach as far as the music and I don't know, 863 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:12,600 I just I just feel it. I just felt the different you know, 864 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,319 I'm listening to a lot of different artists lately, and uh, I've 865 01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:18,239 just been kind of been influenced with that sound. Yeah yeah, and you 866 01:16:18,279 --> 01:16:20,880 actually so you were telling me earlier. So you live in Connecticut, but 867 01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,359 you come up here to record and play shows. Yeah, so, man, 868 01:16:25,399 --> 01:16:28,239 I do play in connectget sometimes when I play in Maine. I do 869 01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,319 most of my shows in New Hampshire through New Hampshire Music Collective. Okay, 870 01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:36,359 which is which is a very large booking agency in New Hampshire. Okay, 871 01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:40,239 and you're you're from here originally, I'm from Manchester, New Hampshire original. 872 01:16:40,319 --> 01:16:43,039 Wow. Yeah you grew up here? Oh yeah, yeah, I was 873 01:16:43,079 --> 01:16:45,159 a Central high school. I went to Oh I'll be doing okay, Okay, 874 01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:50,520 what you did you graduate? I graduated in ninety seven. Oh okay. 875 01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:56,159 Do you know do you know Peter White? I know because he kind 876 01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:58,880 of because he grew up See, I grew up in Conquered I didn't grow 877 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,600 up in match By. Peter grew here and he seems to kind of know 878 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:05,159 everybody. So, um, yeah, so you so you so you grew 879 01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:10,000 up here, you went to high school here and then, um, what 880 01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:14,159 what took you to Connecticut? Uh, well, you know, Connecticut was 881 01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,159 I moved in. I moved to Connecticut in two thousand and six, okay, 882 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,720 and then I ended up performing full time and I was touring the Northeast. 883 01:17:23,239 --> 01:17:25,760 Connecticut was central to everything, you know, like you know, Boston, 884 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,840 New York, Rhode Island, mass everything. Everything was in within two 885 01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,920 hours for the most part. So that was a real great way to tour 886 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,600 that the Northeast. You know, that makes sense. Yeah. So I 887 01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,079 did that for a few years, you know, full time. Um, 888 01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:41,319 and then you know, the booking and the managing myself got pretty exhausting. 889 01:17:41,399 --> 01:17:43,960 I didn't have a lot of help, so so I decided to back off 890 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,880 a little bit. And then I just got a job in the field where 891 01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,600 I have my degree in human services, and so I've been doing that. 892 01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:54,359 But I still do that now. But now music is back again at almost 893 01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,880 full time. Oh yeah, I perform. I perform every weekend. Okay, 894 01:17:58,039 --> 01:18:01,840 okay, good good Um. And how did you connect with New Amster 895 01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,239 Booking Collective to have the name New Hampshire Music New Amster Music. Yeah, 896 01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:10,399 yeah, New Hampshire Music Collective. Yeah. So somebody had mentioned to John 897 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:15,319 MacArthur, who um is one of the owners for that agency, and then 898 01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:17,399 he reached out to me, and then I reached back out to him, 899 01:18:17,399 --> 01:18:21,520 and then we connected and we have a great relationship now. Yeah, excellent, 900 01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:25,960 excellent. You know, honestly, he's made my career at what it 901 01:18:26,079 --> 01:18:29,199 is right now. Without him, I wouldn't be playing as much. So 902 01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:31,119 oh, no kidding, Yeah, they're they're phenomenal people. Yeah. So 903 01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:34,880 are you literally up here every weekend or just about? No kidding, yeah, 904 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:40,159 just about just about. So I'll do Thursday, Friday Saturday shows or 905 01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:44,159 Friday Saturday Sunday. Yeah, and I'm playing three two to three nights a 906 01:18:44,199 --> 01:18:46,680 week. Okay, yeah, okay, very good. Yeah that's pretty cool. 907 01:18:47,039 --> 01:18:49,680 Now do you have any kind of an ETA yet on when the new 908 01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:54,399 album will be done? July? Early July? Okay, yeah, I'm 909 01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:58,600 gonna put I'm gonna be posting my CD release dates on my website and my 910 01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:00,680 social media. Yeah, so I'll be lett everybody know when that's going to 911 01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,479 happen. Oh, very good. Do you know how many songs are going 912 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,720 to be on? Six songs? Okay, so it's just it's just an 913 01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:12,359 EPP yeah yeah, um yeah, what what goes into the decision to do, 914 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,199 because then this is something I ask everybody. I'm always curious about this. 915 01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:17,520 You know, obviously, we live in a time where, um, 916 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,359 you've got a lot of different options because of the Internet. You know, 917 01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:23,520 you could do an EP, you could put out an album, you could 918 01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:28,359 just put out singles. Um. I've met in the last few years especially, 919 01:19:28,359 --> 01:19:30,319 I've met a lot of artists who they do the thing where they're just 920 01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:33,840 putting out singles, but eventually they're going to take those singles and put them 921 01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:38,279 into an EP or put them into an album. That's the plan. Is 922 01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:41,680 that the plan? Yeah? Yeah, I actually was talking to John about 923 01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:45,239 that today and we're talking about pushing the singles and then and then having the 924 01:19:45,279 --> 01:19:48,079 EP come together. Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. It's funny because you know, 925 01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,600 when I was growing up, it was, you know, artists would 926 01:19:53,319 --> 01:19:56,560 put out an album and then go on tour and then eventually they put out 927 01:19:57,119 --> 01:20:00,319 so different But yeah, yeah, it's like night and day different, is 928 01:20:00,359 --> 01:20:02,279 it? Oh? Yeah? Is it hard to make those those I mean, 929 01:20:02,359 --> 01:20:05,119 on the one hand, it's nice to have all these options, right, 930 01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:10,119 but at the same time, um, is it is it difficult for 931 01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:12,359 you to make those choices? As far as we'll do I do an EP, 932 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,079 do I do you know how many? How many songs am I going 933 01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:16,439 to record for this project with? Well? I mean, so you know, 934 01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,800 I had plenty of songs to pick from. I could have recorded I 935 01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,880 want to, I want, I want to at some point we record some 936 01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,640 of the older stuff that I recorded. Yeah, but these were six new 937 01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,279 songs or five new songs that I had that I had written, So I 938 01:20:27,359 --> 01:20:29,800 just wanted to get the five new ones out. Yeah. And I'm also 939 01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,119 covering John Denver's Country Roads on the new EP. Oh okay, yeah, 940 01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:35,279 yeah, I've been playing that one forever and I just I finally I wanted 941 01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:40,840 to get it recorded. Yeah. Yeah. Do you when you play out, 942 01:20:41,239 --> 01:20:44,079 do you do mostly originals? Do you mix in some covers? So 943 01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:45,560 there's like, you know, original venues and those cover venues, right, 944 01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:48,520 Yeah, So I mean like listening rooms like I'm gonna I'm gonna give a 945 01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:53,039 shout out to the Tee Total or and Conquered. Uh, that's a listening 946 01:20:53,119 --> 01:20:56,560 room. So when I write played Tee Total Or, it's ninety five percent 947 01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,640 originals. But I play places like um around you know, Pip is like 948 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:03,039 Foster's Tavern, yeah, or if I play over here at the Foundry, 949 01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:06,039 like, I'll do mostly covers and I'll throw in a few originals here and 950 01:21:06,079 --> 01:21:09,600 there, just because that's that's the kind of scene, you know. Yeah, 951 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:13,159 but listening room events, I will do all my originals. Yeah. 952 01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:15,560 So when you say it's a list it's a listening room. So it's people 953 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,319 are there to actually hear the music, right, Yeah, they're there to 954 01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:24,159 listen and have it be a non speaking event where they're they're focusing on the 955 01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:26,640 music. Like let's think it's like a concert hall kind of thing. Yeah, 956 01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,920 yeah, okay, yeah, whereas at a bar it's uh yeah, 957 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:31,319 it's like it's like, yeah, you play covers and you get a reaction 958 01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:33,920 to people, and then they start listening in then you get a rapport and 959 01:21:34,039 --> 01:21:36,760 so then I throw on a few originals at that point. Yeah. Yeah. 960 01:21:38,039 --> 01:21:40,920 Do you do any um, do you do any covers that are kind 961 01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:45,239 of obscure. I've met some artists who, you know, they'll they'll do 962 01:21:45,319 --> 01:21:47,640 a few covers that are are fairly you know, they might be from well 963 01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,800 known artists, but maybe they're deep tracks or whatever, and and sometimes, 964 01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:55,640 um, sometimes the audience doesn't necessarily know that they're covers. Yeah, I 965 01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,600 know. I definitely do some songs like that. Yeah, I'm not quite 966 01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:01,720 sure Tom Petty all or nothing. Um okay, I'm not sure if you 967 01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,039 know that song, but I do that one. I'm trying to. I 968 01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,680 probably know it, so I'm sure I have a catalog somewhere in my brain. 969 01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,760 Yeah, it's a great it's a great song. So I do a 970 01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,800 lot of Tom Patty, I do a lot of Credence. I do some 971 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,920 pretty Carlisle, I do Tracy Chapman. Yeah, I do uh, Paul 972 01:22:16,039 --> 01:22:20,159 Simon, Simon and Garfunkle. I mean I cover alf I do Ed Sharon. 973 01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:25,039 I mean big plethora of of songs I do here. Yeah, so 974 01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:27,760 from boy back from the sixties all the way toil currents is the songs that 975 01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,560 I cover. Do you have any idea how many songs you know? Could 976 01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,800 you put a number on it? I have about almost five hours of music 977 01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:39,399 I could play. Yeah, it's a lot of music. Wow. Do 978 01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,399 you ever do you ever? Do you ever go back and re learn something 979 01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,880 you might have might have forgotten? Yeah, I'll go back and look. 980 01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:47,159 But you know, I so I'm old school. You know, all these 981 01:22:47,239 --> 01:22:49,399 artists are out with their tablets and like, yeah, you know, I 982 01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,439 just I still have the old book. Yeah, I have had my old 983 01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,159 book on my stand and I flipped through and you know it's about this big 984 01:22:56,399 --> 01:22:58,800 yeah. Yeah. But they're like, you're probably kind of my friends. 985 01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:00,239 You want to get to talble it. I was like, I'm don't know, 986 01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:01,840 because I just I'm used to this this you know, this book because 987 01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,880 it's full, it's my cover songs. I can't rememborize five five hours of 988 01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:10,399 cover songs right right of course. But yeah, that's my lifeline right there. 989 01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,079 Yeah. Yeah. Are there any other artists that you play a lot 990 01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:16,880 of shows with? You know, sometimes people sort of it happens almost by 991 01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,199 accident, people sort of team up and end up just on the same bill 992 01:23:20,359 --> 01:23:24,600 a lot. Well, speaking of that, not really, but I am 993 01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:29,119 with the New Hampshire women Folk Singers. There's four of us actually okay, 994 01:23:29,199 --> 01:23:32,159 and uh, there's gonna be a big festival in September, September sixteenth up 995 01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:39,239 a way up north um Sugar Shot Campground. Uh. And there's the creator 996 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:44,039 um of the festival, kind of found the three of us to join in 997 01:23:44,119 --> 01:23:48,560 with her. Um and it's just a really amazing, amazing group. You 998 01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,760 have to if people are interested in hearing this folk group, which I would 999 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:56,520 highly suggest and recommend, It's New Hampshire women Folk. Okay, yeah, 1000 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,439 it's just amazing. It's going to be a really great event. It's it's 1001 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:03,079 focusing non music and for it's locusing on women's music. Yeah, and um, 1002 01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:09,239 bringing in artists who you know, are independent who don't have a name 1003 01:24:09,319 --> 01:24:13,600 yet for themselves. Yeah, featuring these people who are very talented who deserve 1004 01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,439 the stage. Is this an annual event? This is the first year. 1005 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,960 Oh, this is the first one. It's pretty amazing so far. Yeah. 1006 01:24:20,199 --> 01:24:25,920 Yeah. So Erica Cushing, Um, she's uh, she's the creator. 1007 01:24:26,119 --> 01:24:29,000 Okay, yeah, she's a wonderful folk artist as well singer songwriter. 1008 01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:33,159 She's great. Okay. Is she the headliner at the uh not the headliner, 1009 01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:36,600 but she's pretty much created the whole thing, gotcha? Yeah? Yeah, 1010 01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:42,640 Oh that's cool. It's very cool. Yeah, um yeah, it's 1011 01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,199 Um. It's nice to see too, just a lot of live music happening 1012 01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:50,319 in general, because obviously with COVID, uh, you know, everything really 1013 01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:54,680 shut down for a while there. I mean, what is did that? 1014 01:24:55,279 --> 01:24:58,199 Because you had mentioned too that you know, you would kind of you would 1015 01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:01,399 really slow down with the music career for a while. Did that play any 1016 01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,760 kind of a role in that, sort of just having that, you know, 1017 01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,760 the pandemic foisted upon you. Yeah, at some point it did. 1018 01:25:08,119 --> 01:25:10,640 So I had I have my son, he's eight years old. So when 1019 01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,840 I had NOL, I was playing a little bit. But then I just 1020 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,039 kind of really maybe four times a year I was playing, yeah, very 1021 01:25:15,119 --> 01:25:18,840 low key. And then over the past year is when I started getting back 1022 01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:23,119 into it. But the pandemic I didn't play out at all hardly. But 1023 01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:29,399 I am a program director for a nonprofit agency in Connecticut and I we serviced 1024 01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:33,079 people disabilities. Yeah, so I oversee programs where people live there. So 1025 01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:39,680 during that year of the initial pandemic year, they weren't able to leave their 1026 01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:43,399 houses. They weren't able to see family, They were like literally secluded in 1027 01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:46,800 their home. So what I did was I created a Thursday night live music 1028 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,760 event called Together at Home. Yeah, so I would go online every Thursday 1029 01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:55,760 at six o'clock and all the group homes would join in and they would be 1030 01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,239 able to see live a live music I did that for an entire year, 1031 01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:00,079 every Thursday, Oh no kidding. Yeah, that was pretty awesome. Oh 1032 01:26:00,119 --> 01:26:03,399 that's cool. Um, were you able to tell how many? Uh? 1033 01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:08,079 While it was yea, so well it started it's because it was zoom because 1034 01:26:08,119 --> 01:26:10,640 you could see all the zoom people entering in. So yeah, started off 1035 01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:13,000 at like five or six people, and then it turned out to be about 1036 01:26:13,079 --> 01:26:17,520 thirty people, thirty thirty thirty individuals but several locations. So yeah, it 1037 01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:21,399 was a pretty It was great for them because they were able to have a 1038 01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:27,960 community during pandemic. Yeah, yeah, um it did. Uh did you 1039 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:32,079 write any Have you written any songs about about that that period? No? 1040 01:26:32,359 --> 01:26:36,680 Not really, um, because I was working in the group home and yeah, 1041 01:26:38,199 --> 01:26:41,680 no, I really really didn't because it didn't it wasn't that different for 1042 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,399 me because we went to work and I couldn't not go to work. Yeah. 1043 01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,199 Yeah, my lifestyle didn't really change exactly. Yeah, no, that 1044 01:26:46,279 --> 01:26:50,840 makes sense. That makes sense. Um, do you so you're you're up 1045 01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:55,319 here every weekend playing? Are there also? What's some music scene like in 1046 01:26:55,399 --> 01:26:58,960 Connecticut? Are you able to or do you even have time to engage in 1047 01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,479 the music scene there because you're you're up here quite a bit. Yeah, 1048 01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,319 it's just different it's it's weird, it's it's a it's a different kind of 1049 01:27:04,359 --> 01:27:08,920 scene, like New Hampshire loves music. Yeah, I feel like New Hampshire 1050 01:27:09,079 --> 01:27:13,079 is just like music driven on the weekends, like local music is really you 1051 01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:16,199 know, big here. Yeah. I think it's okay in Connecticut. Yeah, 1052 01:27:16,359 --> 01:27:20,600 it's a it's a it's just a whole different it's a whole different way 1053 01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:24,920 to approach music in Connecticut. I think booking myself has been difficult there. 1054 01:27:25,079 --> 01:27:29,520 Really. Yeah, it's really weird. Yeah, is there is there just 1055 01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:34,000 a lack of Do you think there there's a lack of appreciation for local music? 1056 01:27:34,079 --> 01:27:38,199 They're just not Yeah, it's different, it's different. Yeah, I 1057 01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:40,600 would say I would I wouldn't know if I would say that, but it's 1058 01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,720 definitely a different feel. Yeah, yeah, it's not the same. When 1059 01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:45,720 I come here, it's like amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Do you do 1060 01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:49,479 you ever? Do you do shows in Boston or so? I used to 1061 01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:54,079 play in a band called The Everyday Visuals and I was their bass player. 1062 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,640 I remember the Everyday Visuals, Yeah I was. I was a bass player 1063 01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:00,399 for about ten years. Yeah, and we played a lot in Boston and 1064 01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:04,039 a lot around here. But yeah, so I haven't been to Boston in 1065 01:28:04,079 --> 01:28:08,239 a while. But with Hampshire Music Collective, the goal is to get more 1066 01:28:08,279 --> 01:28:11,880 in math. So okay, yeah, yes, So ten years you were 1067 01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,199 in that band. Ten years all through high school, college and a little 1068 01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:18,560 bit after college, no kidding, Okay, what when when you left that? 1069 01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:23,520 I mean, was the band ending or did you know even they kept 1070 01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:27,079 going? No, you know, I just wanted to pursue my solo career. 1071 01:28:27,359 --> 01:28:30,239 Yeah. I mean I love the music. I mean it was like 1072 01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:32,520 four part harmony, three part harmony, awesome band. I mean we were 1073 01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:36,680 like a independent rock band, you know, very very very awesome music. 1074 01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,760 Yeah. Yeah, but I just, um, we parted ways. And 1075 01:28:41,039 --> 01:28:44,880 you know all of my projects that you hear were was were engineered by some 1076 01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:46,319 of the guys in the band. Oh no kidding. Yeah, So everything 1077 01:28:46,359 --> 01:28:50,079 everything that's recorded was done by the guys. Yeah. Yeah, do they 1078 01:28:50,199 --> 01:28:55,199 still Does that band still exist in some former yeah a little bit so. 1079 01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,560 Um, the lead singer Christopher Pappas he does his own thing. Um, 1080 01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,399 Kyle Frederickson was the guitar player, engineer type guy. He's doing his own 1081 01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,520 thing. And then Joe Cider is the drummer is actually now the drummer for 1082 01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:09,760 the New Pornographers. Oh okay, no kidding. Yeah, that's pretty good. 1083 01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,079 It is pretty cool. Good for him for him, is right? 1084 01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:15,479 Yeah. And then and they're torn all the time and yeah he selling out 1085 01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:19,079 places and yeah, yeah that's wow. He's I mean, all those guys 1086 01:29:19,119 --> 01:29:24,119 in the band, I mean amazing musicians. I mean Chris was the main 1087 01:29:24,199 --> 01:29:28,840 songwriter who wrote all the songs and yeah, just very talented guys. Is 1088 01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,079 everything that you're doing now is that all? Is that all you in terms 1089 01:29:31,119 --> 01:29:34,359 of the writing, Yeah, yeah, it's all me. Yeah. Do 1090 01:29:34,399 --> 01:29:39,159 you ever have you ever considered collaborating with anyone or do you want to keep 1091 01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:42,640 your solo stuff? No? Well, you know Erica I mentioned before her 1092 01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,760 and I've been talking about doing some co writes. Yeah. Um, it's 1093 01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,439 really important, I think to co write because it opens you up to different 1094 01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:53,079 ways of songwriting. Sure, you know, because you're kind of boxing in 1095 01:29:53,159 --> 01:29:55,439 your own way, and then if you cart somebody, it's just like, 1096 01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,520 oh I never thought of that, and then you start, you know, 1097 01:29:57,840 --> 01:30:00,680 start opening up your writing style. Um. And you mentioned you played bass 1098 01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:04,640 and everyday visuals. What what was your your first instrument was bass? You 1099 01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,960 started on bass, and yeah, I had a four string Washburn Oh okay, 1100 01:30:09,319 --> 01:30:12,039 yeah, and then I then I upgraded to a five string Ernie Ball 1101 01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:15,560 oh, which is a music man, which is an amazing bass. It's 1102 01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,920 a solid rock bass. Yeah. And then I then I got my tailor, 1103 01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,279 my tailor acoustic. See, I'm a bass player, so as soon 1104 01:30:20,319 --> 01:30:24,319 as somebody mentions more than four strings, I'm like super impressed. I'm like, 1105 01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,479 used to play a five strings. Oh man, it's the best at 1106 01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,399 loby is that the lowby on that on that bass can make so many different 1107 01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:32,279 sounds and I'm sure, I'm sure it's awesome. I can't. I've never 1108 01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:38,399 I've never attempted it. See I started on bass because um, and bass 1109 01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:41,399 players hate when I when I say this, but it's just the truth. 1110 01:30:42,079 --> 01:30:45,840 So when I was a kid, I took guitar lessons and unfortunately I was 1111 01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:47,760 one of those lazy kids who, um, if I wasn't good at it 1112 01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,399 right away, I would get bored with it. So because you know, 1113 01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:55,520 okay, I you know, I could continue to learn these scales and chords, 1114 01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:59,039 but I really like that video game and I'm good at that. So 1115 01:30:59,319 --> 01:31:00,960 is that kind of thing, you know? I would I. I mean, 1116 01:31:01,039 --> 01:31:05,039 I took lessons, and but I I plateaued because I just I didn't 1117 01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:09,920 have the discipline I wish I had. But anyway, so then in high 1118 01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:13,439 school I picked up a bass, you know, just fooling around with some 1119 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,880 friends. Musically, I picked up a bass, and I seem to have 1120 01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:19,880 a feel for it. But I also was keenly aware. I remember that 1121 01:31:20,039 --> 01:31:23,720 this is the part that bass players hate when I say this, But I 1122 01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:29,079 remember thinking, two less strings, and I don't have to know any chords. 1123 01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:32,800 I think I found my instrument. And then I went on to play 1124 01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,479 bass and a bunch of bands. But that's cool. Yeah, yeah, 1125 01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:39,359 so so I and I, you know, so I can play guitar a 1126 01:31:39,399 --> 01:31:41,239 little bit, you know, just power chord, like I could be in 1127 01:31:41,279 --> 01:31:44,039 a punk band if I would write, probably, but that's about the best 1128 01:31:44,079 --> 01:31:45,960 I could do. But but so you started on bass and then you went 1129 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:49,119 to guitar, Yeah, yep. And then I usually play all the bass 1130 01:31:49,159 --> 01:31:51,800 tracks on my records usually, Okay, this one, I don't know if 1131 01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:55,399 I'm going through or not. I haven't played in several years, so I'm 1132 01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:59,920 a little I'm a little dusty um and that guitar. You have sound, 1133 01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,239 It's fantastic. It's got a very rich, full sound. Yeah, it's 1134 01:32:02,279 --> 01:32:05,560 my tailor. It's it's it's only a three fourteen or three fifteen UM, 1135 01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:10,359 and it's I bought it. That's This guitar is twenty years old, no 1136 01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:15,760 kidding? Yeah, oh wow? Yeah, has the original um? Has 1137 01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:17,600 the original Fishman pick up? Yeah, in the in the Taylor because the 1138 01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:21,239 new tailors have a new a new model okay, and people just love this 1139 01:32:21,399 --> 01:32:25,319 old model much better. Oh wow. Yeah, and that sounds amazing, 1140 01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,359 Yeah it does. Is that the only guitar you use? Yeah, for 1141 01:32:28,399 --> 01:32:30,760 the most part. Yeah, I don't blame you, no, really, 1142 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,279 I know it sounds it sounds really good. It is a good one. 1143 01:32:33,359 --> 01:32:35,760 Yeah yeah. Yeah. And it's warmed up over the years. You know, 1144 01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:40,079 the wood ages and you get that deeper tone because because Taylors tend to 1145 01:32:40,119 --> 01:32:43,279 have a higher end sound to them. Okay, but you know when you 1146 01:32:43,319 --> 01:32:45,479 play Taylor for twenty years, it's it's a lot warmer because Taylors are very 1147 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:49,039 bright. I've heard people say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Martins 1148 01:32:49,079 --> 01:32:54,359 are warmer, Guilds are warmer. Taylors are bright. Yeah, yeah, 1149 01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,640 that's interesting. Yeah, so I assume that's that's the guitar you use on 1150 01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,760 all the all the oh yeah in the studio. Yeah yeah, oh very 1151 01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,720 nice, Yeah, very nice. It's pretty sweet. Yeah, that's my 1152 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:09,760 pal, you know. Yeah. Um, do you have I know, 1153 01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,039 I asked you how many songs do you know? Do do you have any 1154 01:33:12,079 --> 01:33:17,880 idea how many songs you've written? Um? God, probably like that'll be 1155 01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,520 eighty hundred. Yeah, yeah, I would say maybe like a hundred. 1156 01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:26,079 Um, do you still play any anything that you know if you think back 1157 01:33:26,119 --> 01:33:29,319 to early when you started writing songs, do you still play anything that goes 1158 01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:31,760 there's one there's one song, so the very first one of the very first 1159 01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,399 songs I wrote. I still do that one, no kidding, yeah, 1160 01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:39,039 oh yoh yeah, that's a yeah, that's the only one really that I 1161 01:33:39,159 --> 01:33:42,039 do. That's really old. Oh that's cool. Has it changed over the 1162 01:33:42,119 --> 01:33:46,079 years or do you stay faithful with the original to the original arrangement. Yeah, 1163 01:33:46,079 --> 01:33:49,640 that's cool. Yeah, Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. Um, 1164 01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:55,279 and when did so the studio material that we've been featuring on the show, 1165 01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,079 obviously, you know you've got the new one that's coming out, and 1166 01:33:58,119 --> 01:34:01,239 you said probably July, yes, early Julian. Um. When so the 1167 01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,279 songs that are on your website currently that we've been playing, when did those 1168 01:34:04,359 --> 01:34:10,439 come out? Those are twenty fifteen, I think twenty fourteen, twenty fourteen 1169 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,640 or twenty fifteen. Yeah, it's it still been a while since I've done 1170 01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:14,439 anything. Yeah, yeah, and that's what That's what I mean. So 1171 01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:15,640 I was kind of I kind of laid low, but now that I'm back 1172 01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:17,439 in it, I'm like, well, I gotta get something new out there, 1173 01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:23,039 right right, no doubt. Um that that song reach Up? Do 1174 01:34:23,079 --> 01:34:26,119 you do you play that live? Yes? Yeah, oh yeah yeah land 1175 01:34:26,119 --> 01:34:28,520 to play Boxer, right, I do a lot off that record still yeah, 1176 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,199 oh yeah, yeah No, that's uh, that's really good stuff. 1177 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:38,000 Absolutely. Um. And what's uh, what's kind of the the future trajectory? 1178 01:34:38,079 --> 01:34:41,520 So you've got the new album should be done in July, and then, 1179 01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,159 um, you have plans because you you know, you said, you 1180 01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:47,279 know, things were kind of low key for a while and then started really 1181 01:34:47,399 --> 01:34:50,399 ramping back up. So do you plan to just just keep going, just 1182 01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:54,560 keep touring. Yeah. I really would love to do this full time and 1183 01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,720 be able to leave my human service job. Yeah, if you know, 1184 01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,840 once and for all and then perform music, you know, four nights a 1185 01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:03,000 week and have that be full time and yep, um yeah, I mean 1186 01:35:03,039 --> 01:35:06,279 with New Hampshire Music Collective. They're definitely helping me with that. Yeah, 1187 01:35:06,319 --> 01:35:09,800 it sounds like you're on your way. Yeah, yeah, they're They're great, 1188 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,680 They've been amazing. Yeah. Do they have is Are they a big 1189 01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:15,199 Do they have a lot of fun? They have a lot of artists. 1190 01:35:15,319 --> 01:35:17,079 Yeah, yeah, they have a lot of artists. I'll have to look 1191 01:35:17,119 --> 01:35:19,560 them up. I'm curious. I feel like I've heard of them, but 1192 01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:24,239 I'm sure you have. I mean, because they're they they book many venues 1193 01:35:24,319 --> 01:35:27,319 in the state. Okay, yeah, okay, they've been around a long 1194 01:35:27,399 --> 01:35:29,479 time, I assume, yeah, for a little while. Yeah, I 1195 01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,800 don't think very long, but long enough for they have a really yea, 1196 01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,479 they have a lot of venues. Yeah. Yeah, oh that's cool. 1197 01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:39,359 Yeah. You do you ever open for anybody, any national acts that come 1198 01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,880 through or I've opened up for several in the in when I was playing a 1199 01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:46,319 while back. Uh yeah, I opened up for Blissed Union of Souls. 1200 01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:49,479 Oh yeah, yeah, I opened up for Howie Day back in the day. 1201 01:35:50,359 --> 01:35:55,920 Yeah, I opened up for a couple independent like independent singer song was 1202 01:35:55,960 --> 01:36:00,279 like Melissa Ferk Yeah, Garrison Star Edie Carey. Uh yeah, that's that's 1203 01:36:00,319 --> 01:36:04,119 what I've done so far. And hopefully John Over at a Hampshire was a 1204 01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:08,880 collective is going to hopefully start getting me into those roles. Do you have 1205 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:12,680 a dream headliner you'd like to open for? Yes, the Indigo Girls, 1206 01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,720 no kidding, for years, I've wanted to do that. They m Yeah, 1207 01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:16,640 they used to come. I don't know if they still don't. They 1208 01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:20,600 still come around a lot. They used to go to uh Meadowbrook every summer. 1209 01:36:21,079 --> 01:36:24,680 They're also with the Flying Monkey now every every year. Oh no kidding, 1210 01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:28,039 at least once or twice a year. Yeah. Oh so that's so 1211 01:36:28,199 --> 01:36:31,359 that's good. Well that's geographically, that's uh. I'd say that that tipsy 1212 01:36:31,399 --> 01:36:34,600 odds in your favor. Yeah, I hope that would be awesome. Yeah, 1213 01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:38,640 that would be great. It seems like they've been around forever, around 1214 01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:44,600 to the eighties. Wow, Yeah, what's their so they Um. What 1215 01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:50,199 I appreciate about artists like that is they're They're an example of someone who's been 1216 01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:57,640 able to build such a career and a following, a loyal following with very 1217 01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:01,359 little support from radio, know, and and that is true. I mean 1218 01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:05,399 I think there I think there might be one or two songs that yeah, 1219 01:37:05,399 --> 01:37:08,760 and I'm sure you know, it depends on the format you're listening to. 1220 01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:13,800 But as far as like mainstream radio really is there is there one song that 1221 01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:15,960 was kind of big that I've closer or fine, Oh yes, yes, 1222 01:37:16,079 --> 01:37:18,399 yes, that one. Yeah, that one was on the radio a lot. 1223 01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,119 Yeah, that one was kind of a hit. Yeah yeah, But 1224 01:37:21,319 --> 01:37:25,760 but they've never had a big presence on radio, and that just always impresses 1225 01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:30,960 me. Um. Completely different genre obviously, and not someone that I enjoy 1226 01:37:30,119 --> 01:37:34,199 their their work personally, but just another example that I happen to be discussing 1227 01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:38,199 on the show the other day with somebody in same clown posse. Yeah, 1228 01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:43,399 I don't like them, but you know, they've got this this empire that 1229 01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:49,079 they've built with no support from radio like at all. Ever, It's that's 1230 01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:51,880 impressive. It is impressive. In the same thing with Annie to Franco. 1231 01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,560 Oh, I love her. She is like very self made. I've met 1232 01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:00,159 her. Yeah, Oh, she's she's amazing. She is amazing. Um. 1233 01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:04,119 I think the last time I saw her was in Providence. Um it 1234 01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:06,199 was quite a while ago. I haven't seen her in a long time. 1235 01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:10,000 But yeah, but yeah, you're right, she's another example. Yeah, 1236 01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:14,760 someone who really you know, she uh started I remember she started her own 1237 01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:18,079 label. She probably still has it. Oh yeah, definitely Righteous Babe Records 1238 01:38:18,079 --> 01:38:21,840 here, yes, yes, and uh yeah really just uh, I remember 1239 01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:26,520 when she was first starting to really get traction because at the time I was 1240 01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:30,640 working obviously you remember Strawberries Strawberries Records and Tapes, and I was working at 1241 01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:34,239 the One and Conquered and uh, that was where I first really became aware 1242 01:38:34,279 --> 01:38:40,439 of her. And um, people started coming in looking for looking for her 1243 01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:44,880 stuff, and at first we didn't have it because nobody, it was like, 1244 01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:47,079 nobody that worked for the company was aware of her. But somebody was 1245 01:38:47,119 --> 01:38:49,760 aware of her because we kept having people coming in, you know, asking 1246 01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:54,760 for Annie de Franco. So finally we started getting her music in. But 1247 01:38:55,119 --> 01:39:00,319 uh, but yeah, you're you're right. She's another example of because off 1248 01:39:00,359 --> 01:39:01,680 the top of my head, I can't think of a big radio hit. 1249 01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:06,079 I'm sure there's something I'm forgetting thirty I think possibly thirty two flavors. Okay, 1250 01:39:06,279 --> 01:39:10,920 yeah, but but again, someone who's never had a big presence on 1251 01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:14,319 radio, but who's very successful. Oh my gosh, you knew this. 1252 01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:16,479 She sells out in a day. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. 1253 01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:20,000 Um. I always respected that about the Grateful Dead too. Again, 1254 01:39:20,079 --> 01:39:24,079 I'm not not a big fan. Can't take them, relieve them. But 1255 01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,239 you know, they other than a touch of gray, they didn't really have 1256 01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,840 No, you're right. I mean I think they had one other. They 1257 01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:34,039 had a few, but nothing never dominant. But Ripple Ripple was pretty big. 1258 01:39:34,199 --> 01:39:38,319 Yeah, but they could you know, sell out anywhere in the world 1259 01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:42,680 really, Oh yeah, absolutely when Jerry Garcia was still alive. So and 1260 01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:45,920 uh, what should people know? Andrea? As far as well your web. 1261 01:39:45,039 --> 01:39:48,159 You've got your website Andrea pequin dot com. Did you build that yourself? 1262 01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:51,640 Yeah, that's just a dragon drop from a squarespace. Yeah. It's 1263 01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,079 like I said, I'm a website nerd. It's a good site. It's 1264 01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:57,560 not bad. Yeah, it's clear, it's it's you know, it's it's 1265 01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:59,920 easy to it's easy to maintain, season managed. And I'm gonna use the 1266 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,119 bands in town. Yeah, keep my my tour listed on there. Yeah 1267 01:40:02,199 --> 01:40:05,359 yeah, No, I like the layout and I know I'm geeking out on 1268 01:40:05,399 --> 01:40:09,239 your website. Now, I appreciate it, but I I like the layout. 1269 01:40:09,279 --> 01:40:14,119 It is very clean, um easy to navigate, but but modern looking. 1270 01:40:14,279 --> 01:40:15,880 That's that's what that's what really matters. You know, it's got to 1271 01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,720 look. And you can also go to my link tree, so it's oh 1272 01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,720 yeah, it's it's link tree dot com, forward slash Andrew Pequin and my 1273 01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:26,279 Instagram, Facebook, you know, my tip jarm, my newsletter, everything's 1274 01:40:26,319 --> 01:40:29,560 there. Excellent, excellent, So all the lengths of the social media. 1275 01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,800 Yeah, all of that fantastic. Oh and how do you for for the 1276 01:40:33,159 --> 01:40:36,960 spelling impaired, how do you spell Paquin? It's p a q u I 1277 01:40:38,279 --> 01:40:41,560 N. Very good. I'm sure I'm sure everyone can figure out Andrea, 1278 01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:45,960 but you never know. With E Andrew, with an E an d R 1279 01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:48,479 e A. There you go. From the studios of w m n H 1280 01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:54,239 ninety five point three FM in downtown Manchester, New Hampshire. You are tuned 1281 01:40:54,279 --> 01:41:32,279 in to the best of Matt Connerton unleashed. All right, thank you anonymous? 1282 01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:34,199 Yeah, yeah, very good, very good. I'm gonna grab my 1283 01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:38,720 out of the guitar here. Yeah, absolutely absolutely. If you're just joining 1284 01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:42,720 us, we have Shane Balen in studio with us. He's playing live for 1285 01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:47,079 us. He's got a brand new EP and we've shared some studio tracks on 1286 01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:51,079 the show. But Shane is back live with us in studio and sounds phenomenal. 1287 01:41:51,319 --> 01:41:58,439 Oh you found your water. That's good. Shane was commenting earlier he 1288 01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:02,000 thought he'd left it in the car. It gets it gets uh, it 1289 01:42:02,119 --> 01:42:05,640 does get dry. And here that's for sure with the with the air conditioning 1290 01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:10,279 going and whatnot. But uh, yep, so uh so Shane is here 1291 01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:14,359 just just to tell us, um, why the um, why the switching 1292 01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:18,079 of the guitars. What's different about this guitar? I have some heavier strings 1293 01:42:18,119 --> 01:42:21,800 on the other guitar. This guitar has some lighter strings on it. Better 1294 01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:26,520 for finger picking, sounds better, Oh I got you, I got you, 1295 01:42:27,079 --> 01:42:30,359 sometimes easier in the fingers. But um, that one's a little bit 1296 01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:33,560 more heavier gauge. When you when you play out, usually bring two guitars 1297 01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:39,359 and switch off. Never had really, Yeah that's right because he's just Scott 1298 01:42:39,399 --> 01:42:41,560 one of them. Yeah that's right. Yeah, an old Gibson, and 1299 01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:44,119 I was still using it for a while, you know that fifty nine Gibson 1300 01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:46,039 and I said, I'm not gonna use it anymore. Yeah, so I 1301 01:42:46,119 --> 01:42:49,359 just kind of put that away. Oh I got you now and then uh 1302 01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:54,359 now, yeah, so it'll be great. Um yeah, I'm gonna be 1303 01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:56,520 uh yeah, I'm gonna be over like I said, I was at the 1304 01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:00,000 Old Salt that a little thing over there. Um, I'm gonna be playing 1305 01:43:00,119 --> 01:43:04,560 in Hampton for a couple of parties over there. Excellent Hampton, excellent. 1306 01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:11,560 So I'm excited about that. And um yeah it's so this Charlie's Hill show 1307 01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:15,479 coming up Live Love Laugh Festival, that's gonna be coming up um a little 1308 01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:18,760 bit about a month or so. And then um, you know maybe um 1309 01:43:19,239 --> 01:43:23,720 my, like my friend Brian Munger, I might have a little show coming 1310 01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:27,520 up here with him too. So yeah that's a name I've heard. Um 1311 01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:29,960 plays a lot in main you know, plays a lot around here too. 1312 01:43:30,199 --> 01:43:33,079 Yeah yeah, oh yeah, very good, very good. All right. 1313 01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:39,520 So uh yeah, what are we gonna play next? Um, um you 1314 01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:44,800 know, maybe I'll let see I'll play play Charlie, I guess okay, 1315 01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:48,039 cool cool, Yeah, So this is the uh now we should clarify too 1316 01:43:48,079 --> 01:43:53,239 for people. So on the EP, there's two different versions of this correct 1317 01:43:53,319 --> 01:43:57,680 there's yeah, yeah, I was recording this and uh and uh, mister 1318 01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:00,159 goodbars Tim he goes, he's he had an idea already, you know, 1319 01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:02,880 as soon as he heard it, and he put the bass behind it, 1320 01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,319 and I said, wow, that's great. You know, I didn't think 1321 01:44:05,359 --> 01:44:08,720 of that song like that, you know, or any of the songs that 1322 01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:12,600 I was playing with the fingerpick style. It seemed very folk and slow and 1323 01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,520 I and when you put that to it, it just gives it life and 1324 01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,039 you feel like you can merge the genres like that. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1325 01:44:17,039 --> 01:44:19,920 a lot with country right now. Oh yeah, yeah, Like he 1326 01:44:20,079 --> 01:44:27,199 was saying, the beats now have switched from country and and uh, you 1327 01:44:27,279 --> 01:44:30,720 know R and B or you know, rap kind of switched it. Yeah, 1328 01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:32,239 it's true hip hop, I should say, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1329 01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:38,479 but yeah, So this song is this song is called Charlie and it's 1330 01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:45,359 dedicated to h. Terry Merrill and her daughter Charlie. And this is she 1331 01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:49,960 passed away. She was um and several years ago now. But this song 1332 01:44:50,720 --> 01:44:58,439 I wrote because all the different things um that would remind me of her, 1333 01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:04,199 of her daughter, and kind of one night just wrote this after waking up 1334 01:45:04,279 --> 01:45:09,760 and haven't I really didn't know where that well now and I wrote this. 1335 01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:39,800 Those was the first song I ever wrote. Oh wow, okay, Saturday 1336 01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:53,000 night jamles and loving hands, pink guitars and bottom card. The distance between 1337 01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:59,640 us, it's closer than the next time you were in the field. And 1338 01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:10,840 this starts gilling. Just remember I'm waiting, hearing, just like campers in 1339 01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:21,279 your field. With truth. I'm the flickering light, and I am the 1340 01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:30,560 reason you find. I am the curl in your grind. I'm the chuse 1341 01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:35,199 on call your neck. I am Louis Souleian, the wind, and I'm 1342 01:46:35,279 --> 01:46:46,800 a silence when you are living love and laughters survive, and I still keeps 1343 01:46:46,880 --> 01:47:00,760 that music lying. It's a resonation that still desire in office. You fine. 1344 01:47:03,079 --> 01:47:10,680 I'm the flickering light. I'm rising, You're fine. I'm the curl 1345 01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:15,399 in your grain, and now the ships on your neck. I'm louistling Way 1346 01:47:16,039 --> 01:47:25,119 and I'm silence when you rest living love and laughter survived, and I still 1347 01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:33,399 keeps the music life my merril. It's a resonation that still resign. Oh, 1348 01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:43,039 yes, you'll fine. It's me. It's me, It's me, 1349 01:47:44,239 --> 01:48:04,760 him amazement, Oh, it's Me's me it's me chily chime. That's the 1350 01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:08,560 first song you ever wrote. Huh yeah, wow, no kidding. I 1351 01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:12,439 just recently started playing it more of a song. It was like a spoken 1352 01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:16,239 word. Oh okay, interesting interesting, So um when you wrote So, 1353 01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:21,560 when you wrote that, obviously you knew you're already playing and everything, and 1354 01:48:23,039 --> 01:48:26,960 and you you you're already h playing covers and so forth, but you just 1355 01:48:27,039 --> 01:48:29,760 hadn't. Yeah, I was playing covers, lots of covers, okay, 1356 01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:31,279 but that was your first time. And I think I was playing like, 1357 01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:34,399 um, some sort of progression, you know, with that, that progression 1358 01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:39,560 and a song. Yeah, just thousands have the same it's changed slightly, 1359 01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:44,800 but right, don't call me a cheering but but yeah, it's um. 1360 01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:47,079 And then I just kind of applied that into there, and yeah, wow. 1361 01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:50,359 Then I noticed you get a feeling as a songwriter starting off that you 1362 01:48:50,399 --> 01:48:54,199 want to keep using that kind of progression. And then I got to change 1363 01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:57,000 it. My songs are gonna have that same thing, even though you can 1364 01:48:57,159 --> 01:49:00,600 change it up to make it sound different. But yeah, so I'm trying 1365 01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:05,159 to, you know, do find different ways to make different melodies here? 1366 01:49:05,319 --> 01:49:09,760 Yeah? Yeah, and uh, that's another thing that's I'm really excited to 1367 01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:14,000 keep working with people who are looking for especially you know, like hip hop 1368 01:49:14,119 --> 01:49:17,479 and uh and be looking for for beats, looking for you know, riffs 1369 01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:21,359 and guitar pick, you know picking finger picking too, like that because you 1370 01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:26,680 hear that in a lot different you know trap stuff or oh yeah, so 1371 01:49:27,279 --> 01:49:30,079 absolutely. Oh. By the way, the person who sent that message on 1372 01:49:30,119 --> 01:49:34,079 the text line that was she said, thanks Matt. It's his number two 1373 01:49:34,199 --> 01:49:39,239 fan, Carrie. His mom is of course number one. Hey Carrie, 1374 01:49:40,119 --> 01:49:45,039 she's great. Thanks carry Oh very nice, very nice. All right? 1375 01:49:45,119 --> 01:49:51,239 Oh and uh yar Yardbird Blue Sky says a great song hashtag Shane, thank 1376 01:49:51,319 --> 01:49:59,960 you. I was gonna play string pain projection. Yeah, yeah, there's 1377 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:01,680 This is the title track, right, yeah, this is the title track. 1378 01:50:04,319 --> 01:50:06,600 I wrote this song when I was sitting in front of a wood fire 1379 01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:14,199 and watching a bunch of bands out there. Afterwards, it just takes like 1380 01:50:14,319 --> 01:50:17,199 one line, you feel, one line all of a sudden. I was 1381 01:50:17,239 --> 01:50:20,359 watching Van Morrison was talking about that on an old video you can find too, 1382 01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:23,760 and he says that with Bob Dylan. He's standing there and he says, 1383 01:50:24,079 --> 01:50:27,239 you know about songwriting, and one line might popped in my head and 1384 01:50:27,239 --> 01:50:29,680 I don't know why I wrote it down, And that leads to another line, 1385 01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:30,840 at least to a chorus, And the next thing you know, you 1386 01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:34,520 have a song. You always Sometimes you think of something and you I should 1387 01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:36,479 write it down. But you got to write it down because it might be 1388 01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:42,119 a good song, right, otherwise you forget it. I wait to snack. 1389 01:51:00,079 --> 01:51:26,319 You can't catch me on rain. I'm running instead. You can't catch 1390 01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:35,680 me on right instead, best on chess. I've got my help. I'm 1391 01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:43,800 pulling in these Fanish lines before ties a flat, proving him wrong. What 1392 01:51:44,159 --> 01:52:00,640 they thinking about? That? Right? Is like fing land on my feet, 1393 01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:09,600 the feelines a bear, The things fight my wing with string pain projection 1394 01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:31,520 makes my fingers BLEA subconscious mind is draft. I sleep. I'm feeding with 1395 01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:42,039 them down everything like my cat on my chest, burring and stream. The 1396 01:52:42,199 --> 01:52:50,399 wind's huming outside like banshee scream. I'm in all to make a sub strange 1397 01:52:50,680 --> 01:53:11,279 sing. I love the songs that a stovepipe sing. The creek take somethings 1398 01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:23,319 when a scream, those swings. I love the songs and stove fight sing 1399 01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:30,479 creeks and the things when a screen those swings, And I love the snails 1400 01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:43,720 out of camp fire brains. The soul kate huge to my bodings. Can't 1401 01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:53,079 catch me on the radarime running myself best upon her riches. I've got myself 1402 01:53:54,239 --> 01:54:20,039 pulling in the fanshines four times off of the thing and catch me all right. 1403 01:54:20,279 --> 01:54:30,880 I'm money and stale, best born witches. I've done my health sits 1404 01:54:31,079 --> 01:54:49,800 nine sports, eyes all flat even I'm wrong with in bout that. From 1405 01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:56,119 the studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM in downtown Manchester, 1406 01:54:56,239 --> 01:55:00,800 New Hampshire, you are tuned in to the best of Matt Connerton unleashed. 1407 01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:36,680 Quick call for the band while they're still here six zero three two five 1408 01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:41,920 six seven six three two five six seven, or I should say while we're 1409 01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:44,359 all here, because we're we're almost out of show. It goes so quick. 1410 01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:46,560 Mike from Queen's City Cabinetry, one of our great sponsors here at w 1411 01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:49,399 m n h's in the chat room, she said, he says, great 1412 01:55:49,399 --> 01:55:54,000 show today, guys, super talented. So you have a fan and thanks 1413 01:55:54,159 --> 01:55:58,279 Mike from Queen's City Cabinetry. Are you familiar with Queen City Cabinetry? And 1414 01:55:59,159 --> 01:56:01,039 I hear all all the time on your rais. I mean you're the ads. 1415 01:56:01,199 --> 01:56:05,439 They're in the in the historic Sunbeam mall's named, of course for General 1416 01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:10,720 Sunbeam. Who was General Sunbeam. That's why it's historic. I thought it 1417 01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:14,000 was the appliance guy. No, No, General Sunbeam he uh, you 1418 01:56:14,039 --> 01:56:16,439 know he won the war. I mean if it wasn't for General Sunbeam, 1419 01:56:16,439 --> 01:56:18,920 who knows what would have happened. I thought the war was over, man, 1420 01:56:19,680 --> 01:56:24,920 while the war was over when General when General General Sunbeam won it for 1421 01:56:25,039 --> 01:56:27,680 us. I mean, we could have all been speaking Hungarian right now. 1422 01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:32,640 War never changes. General Sunbeam the great I think it was Sunbeam that said 1423 01:56:32,680 --> 01:56:41,119 war's hell. The greatest military mind since slice spread General Sunbeam and uh and 1424 01:56:41,359 --> 01:56:44,399 by the way, I suggest you think about that the next time you're enjoying 1425 01:56:44,439 --> 01:56:46,319 a delicious sandwich. Is how many stars? It was? Like a two 1426 01:56:46,399 --> 01:56:49,359 stars? He was? He was? He was a five star general. 1427 01:56:50,079 --> 01:56:54,600 Yeah, yeah, Supreme commander. Think about that the next time you're eating 1428 01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:57,960 a sandwich, think about think about the freedom that you have to eat that 1429 01:56:58,119 --> 01:57:02,359 sandwich, and think of General Sunbeam. Wow, that's right. You feel 1430 01:57:02,399 --> 01:57:10,279 that feel that salty, mommy uh, gratifying taste in your tongue. Sunbeam 1431 01:57:10,359 --> 01:57:13,359 did that. That's an ectoplasm. Actually, I just you know, what 1432 01:57:13,479 --> 01:57:15,279 I just felt was a chill come over me. And I think it's a 1433 01:57:15,279 --> 01:57:18,560 ghost of General Sunbeam. I think he's here with us. He's watching over 1434 01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:26,039 us. Yeah, yeah, from a distance, General Sunbeam. I always 1435 01:57:26,159 --> 01:57:31,800 feel like somebody's watching somebody Sunbeam. That's right, he's General Sunbeam, watching 1436 01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:40,079 over General Sunbeam. And I can't get no sandwiches. I mean, I 1437 01:57:40,159 --> 01:57:45,520 don't know, you seem skeptical. Uh, they're AFRAIDO. I have to. 1438 01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:47,560 I have to see you seem a little skeptical about the whole thing. 1439 01:57:48,600 --> 01:57:53,199 It's just the sandwich thing that gets me. Yeah. Yeah, he almost 1440 01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:56,920 seems like I feel like I earned my own sandwich. Oh I oh, 1441 01:57:57,079 --> 01:57:57,560 I get it.