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I am Michael Wharton and as always with Linda Zimmerman. Linda, how are
you doing. I'm doing great? How about you? You know we're talking
about UFOs. I'm doing really good. And I wanted to mention the episode
tonight is called Government Lies and Deception, and it's a very fitting title,
not just for what we're going to discuss, but basically the government's approached to
UFOs in general since at least nineteen forty seven has been lies in deception.
Yeah, I think I think this could be the first of a ninety eight
part series. Yeah. I think that, you know, you know,
from discounting the incredible witnesses of pilots and combat veterans all the way to astronomers
and telling them, you know, well, you don't know what that was
Venus apparently don't know what venus is, you know, or swamp gas or
whatever it is. So these two I think tonight the stories are really exciting
and compelling. Absolutely, and um we are going to start out the show
with a bombshell, and in my world, it's a bombshell. In the
world of Hudson Valley UFOs and the wave of the eighties, this is a
bombshell. As we have spoken about in the in the past episodes, during
the nineteen eighties, there was that huge Hudson Valley wave, thousands and thousands
of witnesses saw these massive triangular silent craft and discs and you name it,
and in as little as an hour after a mass sighting or sometimes the next
day, at the exact same time, those hoaxing pilots in the cessnas and
the ultra lights would be seen following the exact same path of the craft.
Like Yeah, one witness said, it was just uncanny. It was like
they knew exactly where it had been. So for years I've been saying,
while either these pilots in their little flying clubs were monitoring police broadcasts, but
still, I don't know that that would give you the exact flight path.
No, maybe one time you could guess it. But isn't that something we've
talked about in the past with wondering how did these cessnas and ultra lights always
seem to show up like yeah, it was like the and I will confirm
for the listeners. You called me right after you learn this information. It
was like, I mean, you were excited, and I was like,
and it's amazing information. It's it doesn't happen often in this field or any
field. To have that either, to get this confirmation, which is which
is coming up hanging there I have. So, you know, we're speculating
and wondering why did the FAA never punish these pilots. They were breaking the
law, several laws. They were being a public menace, they were a
safety hazard. You know, why didn't they do anything? Okay, So
for years been speculating the government might have had something behind this, And of
course, oh, you're a conspiracy you know. Nut. If you think
the government was behind it, well, guess what. I gave a lecture
a few weeks ago. And after the lecture, this man in the audience
start telling me about his son in law's grandfather who flew hot air balloons and
ultra lights and lived in the Hudson Valley. And I'm thinking, okay,
that's a nice story. It got better. This man belonged to an ultralight
club that flew out of Stormville, Stormville, Duchess that area. I'm my,
I'm starting to get more interested. And he did this in the nineteen
eighties during the big wave of sightings, and apparently after a major sighting,
the FAA would call him tell him where the craft was seen, so that
he could get his ultralight club together and fly over the same area in the
same direction, following the same path to provide a cover story for the sighting
bingo game set match. There it is. The freaking FAA was complicit.
They were behind at least some of the fact that hoaxing pilots would be mimicking
the path, and they went against their own guidelines ultra lights. They have
guidelines ultra lights cannot fly a half an hour after sunset. And here's somebody
from the FAA calling this ultralight pilot, Look, get your buddies together and
fly this path over this town. And what the hell? Yeah, that's
just amazing information. And to get that firsthand from somebody who also got you
know, at least it was passed down from a somewhat reliable source. I
mean, of course we're not interviewing the direct source. I'm sure the Grandpa
was probably deceased at this point. Unfortunately he passed away last year. He
was out there all that time. I was looking for him. But you
know, and when this man was telling me, he didn't know that that.
He just thought it was an interesting fact. He didn't realize I have
been searching for some sort of corroboration for decades and there it was. I
was, Yeah, I was bouncing off the walls and I'm like, I
gotta call Mike. Yeah, I was. I mean when you called him,
like, Okay, what is either she's won the lottery or found something
great, and it was It wasn't the lottery, but it was the research
lottery. I guess you could say it was. Yes, it was the
research lottery. So what does this mean? Why did the FAA do this?
What I mean, they were obviously trying to cover So what do you
think cover it up? But why? You know, I think this way,
by having the ultra life or the cessnas or whatever was being used present
in the immediate aftermath of these sightings, it could always raise that reasonable doubt,
so to speak. Oh well there was ultra lights in the area.
Oh look, we have a flight log of ultra lights, or we have
you know, a sessa or people saw the airplane take off, and then
they can always say, well, well, yeah, people saw things.
They're mistaken on the time, you know, yeah they thought it was five
thirty, It was really probably closer to six. And back then, I
mean, we didn't have cell phones. How many people were so in tune
with the time. Nowadays, we probably know more about the time of the
day because we're constantly staring at a phone in front of our face. So
it would be and we'd be taking pictures today of these things. But no
one walked around cameras back then, and I think it was a great way
to establish doubt and cast, you know, shred the witnesses, so to
speak, like, no, that's not what you saw. You saw,
you know, an airplane. They were flying out of the airport at that
time. And then people also go, well, it look like an airplane,
but I guess yeah, if they said it's an airplane, I mean,
and they start to doubt themselves in what they heir own eyes saw.
So why was the FAA doing this, Who were they protecting? What were
they covering up? Was it something government or was it something they knew was
beyond their control? And was just trying to hide it, so absolutely huge.
I'm I'm going to hopefully get more information. Oh, I will get
more information. I'm hoping they still have this man's log book, his flight
logs, because if I can, yes, if I can show you know,
March twenty fourth at seven pm there was a mass sighting and suddenly March
twenty fourth, at eight pm, the ultralight club took off, you know
what I'm saying. So so I'm just I am just ecstatic with that information
because finally, and that just ends up a whole other can of worms.
And for people who say, oh, it was all you know, all
the sightings were just these guys faking it. No, all this was guys
faking it after the FAA told them where the real sighting was. So the
flight log would be fascinating because if you can take the dates that he flew
during that period and match them up with more than one event, you know
one, Okay, I'll give you a coincidence, you start matching up multiple
yeah years. Yeah, that could lead to a whole nother down a huge
that would be an atomic level bomb discovery and research terms. Yeah, Mike,
we may need your your freedom of Information Act Request skills to see if
my pen's ready ready, I do have a case from the Hudson Valley that
matches exactly. You know this now explains, So let me just go over
this one. It was Dover Plains, New York, nineteen eighty seven.
A whole family, three generations of this family, see a huge diamond shaped
UFO. They described it as having a gray metal frame, porthole, windows,
girders, I mean, very bizarre. And they all said it had
these beautiful multi colored jewel like lights, and it was moving extremely slowly tree
top level. They did have the presence of mind to grab a camera and
take pictures. These were thirty five millimeter and when they had it developed,
the film was black, which you know happens with radiation and things. So
a spotlight actually beamed down on them. That's disconcerting. And one of them
said, it was like every molecule in my body was shaking, buzzing and
reverberating. That's a that's a moment in your life you don't forget. And
one of them said this bothered me for a long time. I mean,
how do you defend against this? That's a good point there, you go.
You know, so they called the police, and the police literally laughed
at them and asked, are you seeing pink elephants? Too? So that's
nice. Now, just to preface this a little. One of the witnesses
name was Grace and her father was a Cessna pilot, so she knew Cessna's
in and out, flew in Cessna's, you know, she knew everything about
Cessna's The next not that night, but the next night, the very next
night, at this same exact time, they see seven Cessnas in a v
formation and she said, quote, they flew the same exact route, the
same route. There was no question that those were planes though I know as
Cessna from whatever that thing was right. So this was a case where I
guess the Cessna guys couldn't get together that night, so they know the path,
they know the exact time, and I wonder how they found that out.
Yeah, and we have a witness who knew the difference between what that
person saw and what Assessa looked like, yes, and sounded like because the
other one was silent. So you know the other thing I'm waiting to find
out now that we know the FAA government sanction and cover up here or muddying
the waters. Did they pay them? I think they must have, because
most of I know the names of a lot of these Cessna and ultra light
pilots. They were commercial pilots. If they got busted, they could have
lost their livelihood, They could have lost their licenses for what for stupid prank?
Why would you? Why would you risk your your livelihood to pull people
into thinking UFOs are out there unless you're doing it under the protection of the
FAA. Who's not going to yank your license because you're doing what they've instructed
you to do exactly exactly. So take that anti conspiracy people. And one
last thing about this story. It's very funny. The father of this this
woman had served his whole life in the military, I guess for a long
time, and when he comes out of the house sees this massive, silent
UFO and he says, oh, it's just them. Okay, okay,
what does that mean? Um? I wish they had asked him, could
you could you elaborate on that? But they were a little busy watching this
massive UFO. So um, how about we take our first break and come
back for a lot more of government lies and deception. Hudson River Radio dot
com Hudson River Radio dot Com, a subsidiary of Glacier Entertainment called LC blasting
the competition in New York's Hudson Valley. Welcome back to UFO headquarters, Linda.
That really is fascinating information because you know, we joke and call it
like, you know, an apotomic bomb level of research. But both of
us have done research in a variety of different fields, and when you get
a breakthrough, there's no feeling like it when you know it's a major piece
of a puzzle. I always say we're putting together puzzles without the benefit of
the box. All we have are scattered puzzle pieces. But the problem is
it's about fifteen different puzzles that have had all the pieces mixed together, so
we don't know what we're putting together. We have no idea what it looks
like. And here we are hunting around and of course half the pieces are
missing. So when you find that critical piece, people that do genealogy are
going to know the same feeling when that genealogical you know, brick wall has
overcome. So it is a great feeling and that's could have a significant amount
of you know, impact on how we view the Hudson Valley weave. You
said it brilliantly. That is, it's just re defines the Hudson Valley wave.
Now, it's it just puts it in a different level. And maybe
other people will come forward. Now maybe I'll find you know that his log
book exists and that maybe he wrote something down. I don't know, but
yeah, tremendous. So I just want to cover one more thing before you
launch into your major case. Nineteen ninety seven, August third, New York
Times article. You can look this up headline CIA admits government lied about UFO
sightings. Really what No, I don't believe it. They said it was
to protect and hide the growing fleets of spy planes of the fifties and sixties.
They claim that half of all sighting were either of the U two or
the SR seventy one spy planes. Now, a lot of sightings were at
tree top level. I would just like to point out the U two flew
at sixty thousand feet and the SR seventy one flew at eighty thousand feet.
So but yeah, so, if for some reason some of you have access
to the CIA journal called Studies of Intelligence, there was an article CIA's Role
in the Study of UFOs nineteen forty seven to nineteen ninety by Gerald Haynes.
This was actually the first admission of federal deception. Clearly not the first deception,
just the first admission of deception. So the CIA tweeted in twenty fourteen,
remember reports of unusual activity in the skies in the fifties, that was
us. So maybe some of it was them, But that's a really ignorant
answer when you look at the wealth of sightings, particularly close up. So
speaking of the nineteen fifties, Mike take it away. Yes, before I
jump in, I just wanted to mention that, you know, the CIA
just with that tweet, Oh that was us. Again, it's one way
to cast out on a whole blanket of different sightings. What was us?
But what does that mean? They're not telling you when, where, what
times? You know, they're not giving you like, look, we have
logs here that have been declassified. They're just saying it was us. Well,
that's an easy excuse. That doesn't mean you're the CIA. I kind
of expect you to not be honest. You know, you are spies,
so you know, forgive us if we're not a little you know, accepting
of your word here. Yeah, I cannot dismiss all two decades of sightings
that it was just them and that was it. Yeah, sorry, maybe
one or two. Absolutely, But like you said, a spy plane at
sixty thousand feet, you're not mistaken that for being over your trees in the
backyard, right as we've seen in the Hudson Valley, you know, over
the swimming pool pulling water up out of it. You know, like,
no, it's not so that wasn't the SR seventy one pulling in at eight
thousand feet, no refueling practice. Yeah, all right, So we're gonna
jump back in time here to nineteen fifties United States, and I just want
to give a little context for the listeners because some people may not quite understand
what America was like in the fifties and the post World War Two era.
And as a historian, of course, I always like to put things in
context. You know. So the nineteen fifties, we are in the Cold
War. You know, we've come out of the World War two era,
the War two soldiers have returned home, they're now married, they're starting their
families, and we are in a Cold War with the Soviet Union, our
former allies during the war against the Nazis. We of course had the atomic
bomb in forty five. The Soviets developed the atomic bomb in nineteen forty nine,
caught us off guard, caught us by surprise, and basically sent us
into a panic that the Soviet Union now had atomic bombs in Europe. And
so the Cold War era was fraught with suspicions, espionage, communist infiltrators,
McCarthy ism. Remember the McCarthy hearings from the late forties into the nineteen fifties,
people denouncing other people as communists and you know, getting them blacklisted.
Whether it was in Hollywood, the fear was very real. You know.
My dad used to talk about being in elementary school and doing the duck and
cover under the desk and yeah, were you doing it? And I think
he mentioned that he thought it was so kind of even at a young age,
like what's a desk gonna do against the tomic bomb? You know,
here's an elementary kid, I guess, but he remembers that that was a
real fear. He actually dug in my grandparents' basement, started trying to dig
a bomb shelter because you know, they were preparing for the end of the
world, so people are very patriotic. The Rosenbergs have been convicted a year
before of espionage and we're later electrocuted in sing Sing for spying against the United
States fifty three they were executed, So it's just a different era. We're
in the midst of the Korean War, a proxy war with the Soviets.
So hopefully people get this really big image that this is a different world in
nineteen fifties and specifically in the summer of nineteen fifty two. And as I
was researching this, I was going through a lot of different newspaper articles and
unfortunately my browser crashed and I couldn't save one. But there was some places
running saw ads for m saucers sales on the weekends, like for two consecutive
weekends. You could get a discount out of saucers sale with a little flying
saucer in the ad. Because of what we're about to talk about having spread
throughout the country and this is going to be the Washington flap, Washington,
DC flap, that's a state. It's also called the Washington National Airport sightings.
Washington National Airport is today known as Reagan Airport. But here's the one
I thought was the best, the Ominous Invasion of Washington. That was some
good headlining there of Washington. So there was no invasion people, Washington d
C. Was never invaded, except maybe in eighteen twelve, to say the
Talk of the British that was a little different. But over consecutive weekends in
July of nineteen fifty two, there was a barrage of UFO sightings in and
around the capitol United States of America of Washington. And we're not just talking
about eyewitnesses who looked up and saw either a craft or what they believed to
be a craft. We're not talking about people that saw some odd lights that
couldn't be explained. We're talking about military witnesses, civilian radar operators and pilots
who know what they're talking about. And I do also want to mention,
I know you watched the show that I watched, Project Bluebook on what was
it the Discovery or something. Well, they dedicated a whole episode to this
episode ten season one. They called it the Washington Merry Go Round, but
that was loosely based of course, it was you know, fictionalized and dramatized,
but it was loosely based on the Washington Flap of nineteen fifty two,
which I thought was pretty cool that It's actually what I liked about the show
is they actually based them on some real stuff. Bring it back, discovery
or whatever. History history. Yes, yeah, history, bring it back.
That's on my request. But anyway, so let's go back to My
notes are a mess, so please bear with me. My handwriting is really
bad. It's like I was looking and wondering why I didn't go to med
school with the scribble that I met, Well, you would have been perfect
for prescriptions writing prescription Oh my gosh, yeah, I would have been awesome.
All right, So we're going to go to July nineteenth through twentieth,
nineteen fifty two. At about eleven forty pm. It's on a Saturday evening.
An air traffic controller by the name of Edward Nugent is on duty at
Washington National Airport, which is again today Ronald Reagan Airport. Spotted seven objects
on his radar, so his radar is picking up seven different objects. They
were about fifteen miles south to southwest of the city of Washington, and there
was no known aircraft in that area, and the objects were being observed on
the radar were not following any known prescribed flight path, so nothing that the
air traffic controller would look at and reasonably suspect to be an airplane. At
that point, he unified a super supervisor, a man named Harry Barnes,
who came in and verified that the objects were on Nugent's screen. He saw
it, and they actually had other controllers come over and verify that everything was
working. So the first conclusion that these and you know, no matter jumping
to is not UFO. They're not thinking UFO, They're thinking, okay,
is something wrong with the radar unit itself. They have two other people look
at it to verify this is working. And I like that about this story.
They didn't just immediately go, oh my god, we got blips,
we have alien rights, we have UFOs right there. Professionals doing their job.
Yes, they're they're troubleshooting. They're going through and the other air traffic
controllers look at it and say it's working fine. And they also were observing
the blips on the radar screen, and one of them out the window did
see a bright light hovering outside in the distance that should not have been there.
Other people in other areas, other airports. The military were also picking
things up on their radar, including radar blips that moved over the White House
and the United States Capitol Building. So nineteen fifty two, in the middle
of the Red Scare, can you imagine thinking if you're a military base,
like, is this is this world again? You're not thinking UFO, You're
thinking Soviet right, So the fear and you know, that's unimaginable if they
were going through at that moment. So they contact Andrews air Force Base,
which is about ten miles away, and the man at the air Force base
hold on, my notes are really really bad. They're not bad. I
just you know, I scribble. Andrews does not see they're picking these things
up as well. But it's not military craft, so they're not they're not
you know, there's no confirmation that we have military craft in the sky.
It's not civilian aircraft. It's not military aircraft. They're picking these things up.
And one of the airmen, a man named William Brady, who was
looking out, sees he's in the control tower Andrews, and he describes,
and I'm going to quote this from his words, He describes an object which
appeared to be like an orange ball of fire, unlike anything I had seen
before. It was in the sky, and as he alerted other people,
like other personnel to look, he observed that the ball, the orange ball,
took off at a very fast, high rated speed. He quoted called
it unbelievable speed. So and we how many times we heard that again?
They go from still to shooting off, very common in these. On the
runway was a pilot who worked for Capital Airlines. I don't think they're around
anymore, not sure if they. He came somebody else, but a pilot
named sc Peerman, and he was in his DC four waiting to take off,
and he thought he saw a meteor. This is out, you know,
the airport. And then he's told that the aircraftic control tower detected unknown
objects. So once he's in the air, they pick up these objects.
While he's air bound in the air and he sees white lights and the sky
for about fourteen minutes. He sees he's over a fourteen minute period. He
describes him as fast, white and no tails. So these are just balls
of light, apparently moving without leaving like a telltale trail behind them he was
in contact with the ground and according to the reports, air traffic Control was
able to able to confirm they were receiving a blip on their radar screen at
the same time he was observing one of the white round objects. So we're
getting eyewitness report and we're also getting on the ground rate oar confirmation that what
he's seeing is physically there. Yeah, to have you know, eyewitnesses and
then rate our confirmation so it's not anybody's imagination, right, and you know,
you can discount something if it seemed once and radar goes, well,
we had nothing. You know, we've been watching the skies and we had
you the whole time. But when you start to confirm again it's one times
a coincidence. You start to establish a pattern that that shows there's something else
going on here. And you know, we don't get that a lot in
UFO research, having consistent patterns and good verifiable reports. You know, we
take sometimes what you can get. When he reported the light, he basically
described that the last sighting was it took off at a very high rate of
speed and when that happened. Air traffic Control also confirmed that the blip that
had been on radar screen disappeared from the radar screen, so it wasn't just
that it was happening, they were confirming it. But when he reported it
ended, they reported their blips had now ended. So that's really a great,
great encounter. They scrambled jet fighters from an Air Force base in Delaware,
which I think is a pretty fascinating aspect at about three am, and
well they arrived around three am, so they must I don't know how far
that would be, probably half hour maybe, And by the time they arrived
all the objects had vanished. But the jets as they were returning to go
back, they felt that the UFOs were listening in on their traffic, like
their radio traffic, and felt like they were basically the UFOs were responding to
them being there, like they knew what was going on and purposely disappeared,
moved away, and we're in intervening or in listening into the radio contact.
So that was a very you know when they're they're up to right, And
the last objects by radar were about five to five thirty in the morning,
so this is just over one night. This has all happened. Wow,
So of course it's in the newspapers all over the country. The next day.
It's big news, you know, and the Air Force is investigating it.
And it's very entertaining because I have these newspaper subscriptions online for research,
and the headlines are great, some of them, you know, it's very
clever, very entertaining. Some took it seriously. Some really were just having
fun with it. They were running with it. But one of the headlines
was the Saucers swarm over capital and large black letters. The head of at
the time there was a US Air Force captain by the name of Edward Rupel.
He's a captain and a supervisor of Project Blue Book, as we know,
being the UFO investigation. He was in Washington, d C. At
this very time on an unrelated reason. He wasn't there for this. He
wanted to investigate it when he learned about it and approached on the base about
getting a car to take it out and you know, go and visit the
locations, interview people, and was told that he couldn't use a staff car
because he wasn't an officer. It wasn't a captain or a general I guess,
or higher than above a captain. I mean, he wasn't anything more
than a captain, so they wouldn't let him have a car and told him
if he wanted to really go out and research it, he could hire a
cabin pay for it, which you can see how anxious they were for him
to research this. And I think, you know, how great would it
had been had he been the boots on the ground in the immediate after to
have spoken to witnesses either on the ground or from airplanes or from you know,
air traffic, and maybe he wouldn't have learned anything. But it's you
know, those what ifs are always like frustrating for people that that study anything
like this. So he um he went back to Wright Patterson Air Force Base,
which is out in Ohio. That was where the Project Blue Barrack was
headquartered out of. And the general consensus from the Air Force was it was
basically, um inverse weather patterns, you know, the temperature inversion, Yes,
the temperature in version than you please, So basically what is it.
There's colder air on top of warmer air or vice versa, and they can
be picked up as bullips on radar. Yeah, yeah, because you know,
all of these radar experts at how many different airports combined with the visuals.
You know that. I mean, it's a it's an insult, you
know, it's an insult to the professional radar guys who don't know a temperature
inversion when and if it's my understanding that weather conditions were not even that you
know, right, were conducive to a temperature inversion to begin with, I
don't believe they were. So it was just another convenient way of explaining it
away without having to go into actual details or research into the Yeah, what
happened? Could this have been a government lie in deception? What are you
implying? Implying here over the US capital? We have to say something?
And and again, you know, let's just look at the circumstantial evidence.
It's not just radar blips. It's radar, it's the air traffic control seeing
things, it's pilot seeing things, it's people seeing things at the same time
you're getting a blip on the radar. You know, you have all these
different levels of confirmation. You know, again, could it be a temperature
in version? Absolutely, but maybe one time you're not. They're gonna move
around, they're gonna shoot off, They're going to be visible to the pilots
now, so you know, let's not let facts get in the way of
a good cover up. Yeah, you know, as funny because you know,
as we know from Project Blue Book, they really love their explanations out,
no matter how ridiculous they could be. Oh yeah, so yeah,
this is they should teach a course about it, perhaps on how to explain
things away UFOs. So let's go to the following weekend, July twenty sixth,
nineteen fifty two. It's around eight fifteen pm, and there's a flight
attendant pilot on a National Airline flight heading into Washington, and they observe above
the plane overhead some lights which they don't really have an explanation for. It
shouldn't be there, and they learn within minutes radar is now tracking and at
both National Airport in Andrews Air Force Base, we're tracking multiple unknown objects on
the radar. Again. So this is the following weekend, and it seems
like everything's happening all over again. A sergeant, a master's sergeant for the
United States Air Force by the name of Charles E. Cummings, visually observed
the objects and said that they didn't appear to him to be shooting stars.
They did not have the trail behind them, and they traveled faster than any
shooting star that he had seen. Wow, that's fast. So his first
instinct must have been, well, maybe they're shooting stars. But then you
know, basing it upon what he's looking at, like, well, no,
that's that's not a moving star or a shooting star. A press spokesman
for Project Bluebook had arrived at the airport and of course wouldn't allow the photographers
to photograph the radar screens for security reasons. So I get that this is
by nine thirty pm, and the radar at this point is detecting unknown objects
all over it and every sector of their radar screen. You know, they
had the big screens with the various so basically the whole thing is lighting up
with multiple objects being detected. I can imagine the confusion with that. Again,
what is going on? You know? Oh yeah, the fear and
especially a weekend a week later, like really right, I should have called
in sick tonight, you know, like one of those moments. So they're
monitoring this and multiple many times, the objects traveled slowly, sometimes they would
reverse direction, sometimes they would move across the radar scope screen at a very
high rate. Of speed, which was estimated to be seven thousand miles per
hour. Wow. I mean that's just astronomically fast. Once again, they
scramble air Force fighter jets out of Delaware to go an attempt to intercept the
objects over Washington, and one of them was a Captain John mcugo. He's
the flight leader. He's in his plane, his jet fighter and radar.
The operators are trying to direct him to one of the blimps. You know,
they're looking at the radar, watching the blip, watching him and trying
to give him feedback in direction so that he can intercept one of these blips.
So he's in route to that but sees nothing. He can't find anything,
and there's multiple attempts to do this and nothing happens. Another pilot,
a Lieutenant William Patterson, saw white glows in the distance and he pursued them
in his fighter jet. So he wants to intercept them. He pursues them,
and he claims he maxed out the speed of his aircraft and could not
catch up with them. He eventually crawled off the pursuit because they were so
far he knew he had no way of ever catching up. Wow. So
that was really fascinating. So according to what that pilot later said, I
see them now, and they're all around me. This is coming from the
cockpit, and he asked what he should do, and at air Traffic Control
reported basically no one answered because no one else knew what to do. Yeah,
yeah, what do you do there? They can outrun your best fighters.
You don't know what they are, you can't identify them. So I
just think it's very fascinating. Now. Of course, you know, the
explanations do start to trickle in and different. Um the temperature inversion that was
the big one as being the responsible cause. But I did want to read
an actual account here if you don't mind. Oh yeah, this was a
good one. I thought. This is from the San Diego Union Tribune of
July twenty ninth, nineteen fifty two, So nineteen fifty two, San Diego
Union Tribune. And this is essentially a civilian radar specialist who compiled this report.
So radar specialist Washington Air Route Traffic Controls Center. Until unidentified objects began
moving onto our radar scopes, I thought people who reported flying saucers were just
seeing things. Now I don't know what to think I have talked to representatives
of the Air Force and they say they can't explain the appearance of the flying
objects. Neither can we. All we can do is tell you what we
saw on our instruments and what the Air Force and commercial pilots reported when they
tried to investigate. It was nine o eight pm Saturday when the last identified
objects we called them targets, moved onto our scopes from the northwest. These
objects were about thirty miles from the airport when we first made contact with them.
We spotted twelve objects and judged that they were moving in a southeasterly direction
at a speed of about forty miles per hour. The Air Force sent some
jets up jet planes up to investigate, and we helped vector the pilots towards
the objects. I should explain here that our radar scope is about two feet
in diameter. When it showed a plip contact with the substance in the sky,
we placed a plastic marker on the spot. The radar beam swings around
in a giant circle, and when it returns to the same area, it
will make another contact with the same object. If the object has moved.
We moved the marker, and after a number of repetitions, we can determine
the object's direction and approximate speed. When we vector a plane onto the object,
we are in radar contact with both the object in the plane and also
in radio contact with the pilot of the plane. We keep telling the pilot
how to turn an approach the object until it makes a sighting. The first
political up Saturday Night reported that he cited a steady white light that appeared to
be about ten miles distant when he tried to draw close as the light disappeared.
I think hearing it from the words of a witness so much more compelling
than anything I can I can say from my chicken scratch notes. Yeah,
because he was a blow by blow account of you know what was going on,
and I really like, um, should we take our second break real
quick and then come back and talk about that. Oh? Yes, I
think we have to. Yes, let's take our second break and we will
be right back. This is Unson River Radio dot com, your local Rockland
County station Radio dot com. And I guess one of us has to say.
I was distracted looking at I was trying to just put together in my
head to thought I had before we took the break, and it was basically,
I like this reporter's name, where were the guy that reported? They
don't identify him in the article that I could find, But the fact that
he says, you know, until he saw it for himself, he just
thought people who had reported these things were seeing things. So he's not a
believer in UFOs. His first instinct when he sees the blips is not aliens.
It's I have a job to do. What are these blips? For
him to then be like, well, bait, and he still doesn't say
they're alien. You notice that he says, now I don't know what to
think, which I find really interesting. He doesn't come out and say,
now I believe they're they're aliens, or they're Russians, or they're reptilians or
whatever that they are. He doesn't know, which I think is an honest
answer. I don't know what they are. Yeah, they clearly weren't saucers.
I mean people were calling them flying saucers, but nobody reported an actual
saucer shape at this time. But I think that became a really popular euphemism
at that time. They weren't really using UFO much, so it was,
you know, flying saucers. So, you know, a great witness.
I'm gonna look a little bit more up and see if I can track down
a name on him and see if there's anything else he may have written or
been quoted. One witness like that is is great, but it's a very
interesting case. Yeah, being honest saying how you know, prior beliefs were
overturned by the evidence, which is how science is supposed to work, not
covering it up with temperature inversions. So so really the government just dismissed the
entire two nights of incredible sightings and radar contacts. Yes, and again the
context of the time, you know, I mean maybe they were doing it
out of fear that people would panic and think this was maybe the Soviet Union
developed some type of weapon that or aircraft that could reach the United States very
quickly. You know, maybe they maybe that was a concern and they didn't
want to scare people. I don't know, you know, we don't have
that. You know, all they knew is all we know is that they
claimed it was temperature persons. Yeah it wasn't. I don't know what it
was either. I wasn't there, I was I wasn't even thought of.
But you know, um, I would I would love to see more about
this. I'm gonna keep digging on this one. Yeah, it's it's a
fabulous case and clearly the whole attempt by the government to not take it seriously
even though military pilots and radar sought and tracked it. Um, no nothing
to see here, move along. It's crazy. In terms of witnesses,
you can't ask for almost a better ensemble of witnesses between a radar operators,
air traffic control pilots of various levels of you know rank up to captain.
Yeah, you know, commercial pilots, you know, flight attendants. If
you had to hand select people to be your witnesses, this is almost like
a dream team of witnesses. You almost don't get much better. Yeah,
all these people to dismiss them all, it just is it's pilots, don't
get it there. Yeah, pilots their lives and the lives of all their
passengers depend on their ability to see the sky, you know, uh know
what's going on. But they right, So when they all say, I
don't know what that was, and it moved faster than anything I'd ever seen
before. Um, maybe we should pay attention or maybe not, depends on
who you ask. Asked a government, Yeah, well, I have two
other things that we can we can add if you're oh, yeah, you've
wrapped up. One thing I came upon from March twenty fifth, nineteen sixty
six from the office of House Minority Leader Gerald R. Ford of Michigan,
who went on to be President Ford and who, since Brian is at the
controls, I have to mention, was on the War and Commission, which
the War and Commission Report is the Project blue Book of the Kennedy assassination.
There I've made that statement is our next podcast. That would be a whole
lot of podcasts. But there were a lot of sightings in Michigan at that
time. And this is a press release he put out. He today proposed
that Congress investigate the rash of reports of sightings of unidentified flying objects in southern
Michigan and other parts of the country. Ford said he believed a convention congressional
inquiry would be worthwhile because the American people are becoming alarmed by the UFO stories.
He noted that the Air Force investigators have been checking on such report for
years but have come up with nothing conclusive in the light of these new sightings
and incidents, Ford said, it would be a very wholesome thing. Wholesome,
It would be a very wholesome thing for a committee of the Congress to
conduct a number of hearings and to call responsible witnesses from the executive branch of
the government and witnesses who say they have cited these objects. I think the
American people would feel better if there was a full blown investigation of these incidents
which some persons alleged to have taken place. He sent an attached letter to
the chairman and the ranking Republican members of the House Committee of Armed Services and
Science and Astronautics urging that one committee or the other investigate UFOs for it is
not satisfied with the Air Force explanation of the recent sightings in Michigan, and
describes the swamp gas version given by astros physicist Jay Allan Heineck as flippant.
So there you have it, you go, Jerry it back in sixty six.
Maybe the government should look into this. This is important. People are
scared. There's you know, responsible professional people who are having these sightings,
and what's happening now The same thing. Maybe we should have you know,
Congress is finally starting decades and decades later. I mean clearly, I don't
think the government ever stopped looking into it. But in public he's trying to
encourage and I love the way he calls out Heineck and his swamp guess thing
there as flippant. So he knows, you know, clearly from this he
knows things are being suppressed or just not talked about, and looking for openness
in government. Yeah, good luck. And the last thing, of course,
it's been all over the news. We don't need to cover it all.
The latest whistleblower intelligence officer Air Force intelligence officer Dave Grush. He was
on a show with Ross Coltart, whom is an Australian. He's on the
Australian version of sixty Minutes and you can look up News Nation Ross Coultart interview
and Rush said there was a sophisticated disinformation campaign which was keeping information from Congress
and that new UAP task force. He talked about retrieving non human vehicles.
He kept referring to NHI, which is our new acronym non human intelligence.
He doesn't know if they're et other dimensions but he just simply says we are
not alone. And Coltart asked him, well, if you're retrieving craft,
are you retrieving bodies of whatever this is? And he said, well,
of course, if there are crashed objects, there are dead pilots involved.
So you look at this guy's credentials and their phenomena the highest of clearances.
Is he being fed misinformation to be a high profile puppet or does he note
you know he has the actual information? So what a surprise, a sophisticated
disinformation. Here we are twenty twenty three, all of these decades later,
and government lies and deception are flourishing. And how easy would it be to
take somebody who's on the inside who has information, and then utilize them to
promote more information, but just make it misinformation, like you said, to
go out there and spread it around. I mean they've been doing that since
since pretty much forty seven, at different levels. You know the It's definitely
not something I put past them. No, no, not at all.
So you know, some people are like, this is disclosure. No it's
not, but um, you know it was. It's a big step towards
getting some people in government to say, wait a minute, we're being lied
to. Maybe you know, the government itself is being lied to, so
maybe some doors will be opened. But yeah, you can go. It's
fascinating. Watch it's I think it's about an hour long interview. So again,
I just wanted to ask you to clarify for me. So my understanding
is he had no personal direct knowledge, right, he had never seen any
of the craft or the bodies. Okay, I wanted to make sure I
understood that correct. Yeah. See that's the that's the other problem. This
is what was told to him by what he considers reliable sources. You know,
eyewitnesses told him. Um, what we need is the actual eyewitnesses to
with a piece of something to come right, to come forward. I hear
there's all sorts of whistleblowers now wanting to come forward. Um, So once
again it's you know, is it is it another hoaxing pilots thing? And
the FAA is replaced by the NSA and I don't know, but it's certainly
intriguing and worth worth following up on. So so this was episode one of
at least ninety eight on government. Now I'm kidding the government it would be
much more than episode al Right, episode four hundred thirty seven. Now what
so we have better things, Well, we have other things to cover,
we have the truth to cover. But yeah, that was an excellent coverage
of that Washington flap, which you know, people can go, like you
said, newspaper articles, read it, read it as it was happening,
and see people's reactions. And that's that's probably the most fascinating part. You
know, we've well you've helped me do a lot of historical research, and
there's nothing like reading the newspaper articles contemporaneous to what you're studying. It's so
easy to forget it's the twenty twenties and you all of a sudden, I'm
you know, I thought I was in the eighteen hundreds. Quite a few
times. My head's buried in newspapers. I come out of the house,
I'm like, oh, wait a minute, there's cars. But you know,
we get we get very wrapped up in this stuff. It's fascinating.
Yeah, and you're right to put yourself in the time frame and the mood
of the nineteen fifties, the paranoia, you know, in fear, and
then all these objects are showing up over the US capital that cannot be identified
and yeah, huge story, huge story, So bring us out in your
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