1 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,280 We're back with another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emil Jasinski, 2 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:24,320 culture editor here at The Federalist. As always, you can email the show 3 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,199 at radio at the Federalist dot com, follow us on Twitter at fdr LST. 4 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:32,159 Make sure to subscribe wherever you download your podcasts as well. Today we 5 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,320 are joined by Jenny Beth Martin. She is the honorary chairman of the Tea 6 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:39,679 Party Patriots Action and she's also the host of The Jenny Beth Show. You 7 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:44,560 can find more information about a Tea Party Patriots at Tea Party Patriots dot org. 8 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,520 Jenny Beth, thanks for coming on the show. Oh, thank you 9 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,600 so much for having me. Yeah, let's start with actually, you have 10 00:00:51,759 --> 00:00:54,560 launched a podcast just in the last year. We were chatting about this before 11 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,000 the recording started. Tell us a little bit about what you do on your 12 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:02,920 show, and you know what you found interesting about the podcasting medium now that 13 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,400 you're you know, doing it so regularly. Well, thanks. So we're 14 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,079 doing a one hour usually there are forty five minutes to one hour episodes, 15 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:18,719 and it's a single interview with either an activist or an elected official or someone 16 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,640 who is doing something that I think that that our activist at te pretty Patriot's 17 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:30,680 Action would be interested in. So we have interviewed five different border sheriffs. 18 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:34,319 I spent about three weeks down on the border and interviewed different border sheriffs, 19 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:38,439 and some of those one up being such long interviews that we turned it into 20 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:45,640 two episodes instead of just one. I did a ride along with Chris Cabrera 21 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,560 who's with the Border Patrol Union, and wrote along with him along the border, 22 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:55,000 and he was pointing out different things that he has to that he has 23 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,680 encountered. We have interviewed people in Washington, d see Congressman Andy Biggs. 24 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,800 We did a few people who run different organizations like Jason Sneed from Honest Elections 25 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:14,879 Project, and we also interviewed Steve Dace or Dace, who has his own 26 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:17,960 show and had a new film coming out. And I've just really enjoyed being 27 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:23,879 able to expand and not do the quick SoundBite, but get to know people 28 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,560 who I think we're making a huge difference in our country and make sure that 29 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,680 other people around the country get to know them as well. Yeah. I 30 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:36,759 love that. That's so true about podcasting. You can have much more expansive 31 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:42,319 conversations and dive into different things that maybe feel like tangents but are so interesting 32 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:45,680 when you get started on them. And I know you've been following obviously the 33 00:02:45,719 --> 00:02:50,120 border for years and it's an issue you know very well. Was there anything 34 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,319 when you did ride alongs and interviewed all of these different stakeholders. Is there 35 00:02:54,319 --> 00:03:00,439 anything that surprised you or you think there's anything in particular at the border that 36 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,479 you found like absolutely necessary to highlight when you were conveying some things about that 37 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:12,680 experience to your audience. Yes, in the past, the problem with illegal 38 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:17,280 entry into our country is that people are coming in outside of the normal entry 39 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:22,479 points, So they're not coming in through the regular check checkpoints as if you 40 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,240 will to get into our country, and they would come in through those areas, 41 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,000 but they'd often go underneath the bridge or go through the desert in different 42 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,520 places. Now, what is happening because of the way the Biden administration is 43 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,960 handling that. It's hard. I can't say border security because it's not. 44 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,199 There's nothing secure about what they're doing. But the way that they are handling 45 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:51,520 entry into our country, they're letting everybody in. It doesn't matter if you 46 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,719 should be here. It doesn't matter if you have all your paperwork, it 47 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:59,520 doesn't matter. Basically who you are. They're letting you in, letting you 48 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:03,159 claim asylum and get a court date for some time in the future, which 49 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:09,159 right now is anywhere from eight to ten or more years. And then you 50 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,960 tell them where you want to go, and you basically go anywhere in the 51 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,720 country on the taxpayer done now and INNGO maybe transporting you, but the NGO 52 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:24,920 is being paid by the taxpayers. So then when sheriffs and border patrol find 53 00:04:24,959 --> 00:04:30,399 people who are coming in to the country not through an entry point, but 54 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:36,560 coming in outside of entry points, those are people who have either already been 55 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:43,360 expelled from our country. They're hardened criminals, they're involved in human trafficking or 56 00:04:43,439 --> 00:04:47,160 drug trafficking, some sort of nefarious activity that they don't want to let the 57 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,480 United States know about. And then the most alarming thing is that there are 58 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:59,519 people who are flying to Central and South America from China and Iran and Russia. 59 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:01,879 And there are countries around the world, but countries that would be considered 60 00:05:01,959 --> 00:05:06,560 special interest countries to the United States. They're flying in and then instead of 61 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:12,879 going through a border entry point, the cartels are helping them get on into 62 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,000 our country without the United States knowing that they are in our country. Now, 63 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:21,000 why is it that people from China or Iran or Russia don't want United 64 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:26,560 States officials to know they're in our country. That's very concerning to me from 65 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:32,240 a homeland security standpoint. And yet my orchist gets before Congress and says that 66 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,120 it's such a joke. He says, we have operational control of the border, 67 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,560 and yet the Secure Offences Act defines what operational control of the border is, 68 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:47,560 and he's just redefining it based on whatever he wants his own metrics to 69 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,480 be, sort of like how the administration redefines what is a man and what 70 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:58,399 is a woman. There is no security. We have wide open borders right 71 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:04,800 now. It's it is just astounding how how little law enforcement is actually able 72 00:06:04,879 --> 00:06:09,480 to do, and for so many different bureaucratic reasons. It sounds like you've 73 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,879 talked to people from the Border Patrol Union who wish that they could have more 74 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:17,160 control over who's coming in now, but the administration makes that incredibly difficult for 75 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:23,439 them to do. Absolutely, and you will talk to you people who work 76 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:28,519 for the Border Patrol, who the border Patrol Union spokespeople are allowed to talk 77 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,600 publicly. Other people who work for Border Patrol may tell you things off the 78 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:36,399 record, or they'll tell their friends things, but they're not They're not allowed 79 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:42,639 to talk publicly about what's going on. And they all say, we just 80 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,680 have they do. We do not have a secure border at all right now. 81 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:50,199 None of it is secure, and they and everyone I have been following 82 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:56,079 this issue since two thousand and fourteen. We did a documentary back in two 83 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:03,040 thousand and fourteen called Border Seats of America. And the thing that I have 84 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:09,480 watched change over the years from the Obama administration to the Trump administration and now 85 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,279 to the Biden administration. Trump when he said we're sending people back, they're 86 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:18,000 not going to be able to come into our country and we are securing the 87 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:23,639 border, it sends a message to the rest of the world that we are 88 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:27,759 serious about who is coming into our country and we're going to follow our laws, 89 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,759 and that helps reduce the number of people who are attempting to come into 90 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:39,879 the country illegally. But with Biden, it's unlike anything they've ever seen. 91 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,800 The volume of people coming through the country right now is unlike anything they've ever 92 00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:47,800 seen. It was not even like this under President Obama. Yeah, that's 93 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,120 an interesting point, and actually it's one of the things I wanted to ask 94 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,800 you about more broadly, but maybe just on this issue. For now, 95 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:58,879 the Republican Party and House Republicans in particular, I think are doing as good 96 00:07:58,879 --> 00:08:01,800 a job as they possibly can without the Senate and the Presidency and control of 97 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:09,319 the vast sort of administrative state which really controls our border policy of Grilli Mayorkas, 98 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,240 and keeping this issue front and center, because as you know very well, 99 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:16,079 this matters to the grassroots of the Republican Party, it matters to the 100 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:18,920 average Republican voter. In fact that it matters to the average American a whole 101 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:24,560 lot. But it still feels to me like a transition moment for the Republican 102 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,959 Party. It still seems as though there are a lot of people that you 103 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:31,679 know, are still on the same page of that autopsy back in twenty twelve 104 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,480 that the RNC did trying to desperately trying to turn the page from the Tea 105 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:39,600 Party moment that you were so consequential in. And I wonder just your take 106 00:08:39,639 --> 00:08:46,360 on how you think, you know Republicans have absorbed the lessons of recent years. 107 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:52,799 Is the establishment Republican Party paying attention. Do they understand how serious this 108 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,759 issue is in particular to average voters or are you still hoping to see much 109 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,200 much more from them? You know, you want to see more, But 110 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:07,000 I also understand how slim the majority is in the House of Representatives right now. 111 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:11,480 So every time that you can get the Republicans in the House of Representatives 112 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:18,320 to agree on something, for instance, the bill that they passed to secure 113 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:24,799 the border earlier this year, that is significant. I don't think that in 114 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:30,080 twenty twelve, twenty fourteen, twenty sixteen, you're going to get a bill 115 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:35,000 passed that would work on securing the border that would satisfy pretty much every different 116 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:41,759 contingent within the Republican Party. And then you wind up in a spot where 117 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,600 Numbers USA, for instance, comes out and says, this is the best 118 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:50,840 bill that we have seen for border security in years, and it just passed 119 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:54,960 with the Republican majority. So I think that they have learned some lessons, 120 00:09:54,440 --> 00:10:01,320 and I appreciate that. I think that there are on the the House side 121 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,399 because they're up for re election every two years and their home more frequently and 122 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:13,519 they represent a smaller number of people than what happens on the Senate side. 123 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,879 I think that sometimes, not always, but sometimes the House of Representatives is 124 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:22,440 much more in tune with what their constituency wants. The Senate is set up 125 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:26,080 differently because you have elections every six years. They represent a whole entire state. 126 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:35,679 I think that the Senators don't understand quite as much as as a House 127 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:41,960 does what the base wants. The Senators, oftentimes, especially the Senate leadership, 128 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:46,600 tend to be a bit more out of touch with the base and much 129 00:10:46,639 --> 00:10:50,840 more in touch with Washington, DC. Yeah. No, And on that 130 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,320 note, one thing that you've been following really closely is the unfolding saga. 131 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,679 Well, I mean, we're just on the heels of the third indictment of 132 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,600 Donald Trump, but this is a part of the unfolding saga of the government 133 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:07,799 being weaponized against the opposition party, the Democrats opposition party, and even you 134 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,480 know, some of the never Trump Republicans opposition party. Really it's two parties 135 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,679 and one at this point. And I wanted to ask Jenny Beth why it 136 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:22,840 is that issue resonates so much with the type of folks that tea party Patriots 137 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:26,200 is connecting with, you know, the grassroots kind of activist base of the 138 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:35,279 Republican Party, especially since Republicans were generally very trusting of the FBI, very 139 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:41,559 trusting of these sort of law enforcement bodies that had built up good faith with 140 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,759 Republican Party for a long time, and now people look and feel so betrayed, 141 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,600 especially again on the heels of this third indictment. Jim Jordan is releasing 142 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:58,320 actually as we're speaking, his Facebook files round four that show the FBI ostensibly 143 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,240 misleading the tech companies Facebook and Twitter that ended up suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop 144 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:07,919 store in October of twenty twenty. So again, why is this issue so 145 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:16,080 resonant? Well, I think first for me personally and for leaders within the 146 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,279 Tea Party movement, it hits very close to home because we were targeted by 147 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:24,960 the IRS, and the targeting began in late two thousand and nine, really 148 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,639 more in early two ten, and the IRS denied that there was targeting going 149 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,720 on. They said business it was just business as usual and they just had 150 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:43,399 a lot of nonprofit applications they needed to process. Yet we were being targeted. 151 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,960 Were our nonprofit applications for tax? Our tax status were being slow walked, 152 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,840 and when you would talk to a donor, they would want it, 153 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,639 especially if you're talking about a non tax deductible nonprofit donation to a five or 154 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,159 one C three, which would be like what most churches are and what the 155 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:09,559 American Red Cross crosses. So the money you write, the checks that you 156 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,840 write to those organizations, you are able as a donor to deductive from your 157 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:18,919 own your own taxes. Will you go and talk to somebody and they'd say, 158 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,039 well, are you tax deductible? Do you have your tax status? 159 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:26,679 And if you said no, they would wonder, what are you doing wrong? 160 00:13:26,759 --> 00:13:30,720 Why isn't the IRS approving your tax status? You must be doing something 161 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:33,360 wrong. And really it was the IRS targeting us, but they were getting 162 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:37,000 up before Congress and saying, oh, no, we weren't. We're not 163 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:41,120 targeting anybody, so we look like the crazy people, and they were weaponizing 164 00:13:41,159 --> 00:13:46,000 government against us. And eventually it came out on the Friday before Mother's Day 165 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:52,559 in twenty thirteen, and it came out that they were targeting us, and 166 00:13:52,799 --> 00:14:00,799 there was never true accountability to the individuals who were responsible. The IR ultimately 167 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:07,519 did pay a settlement to tea party groups it was compared to the amount of 168 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:13,399 money it took to defend and to process all of the questions that they were 169 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,720 asking of all of us. It was nothing compared to the amount of time 170 00:14:16,759 --> 00:14:20,639 and money involved in answering all of their questions. But they still as an 171 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,919 organization were accountable. But no individual was ever held accountable. And I said 172 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:30,159 back then, I said, if they're not held accountable, other people in 173 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,559 the government will think it is okay to weaponize the government and they can get 174 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:37,879 away with it. And that's what's happening right now, and it continues to 175 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:45,360 happen. It happened. We watched it happen from the twenty sixteen campaign and 176 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:48,720 the way that ultimately President Trump was spied on. He said that he was 177 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:52,960 being spied on. The government said no, no, no, that's not 178 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,000 happening. The media said that wasn't happening. Oh yeah, he was being 179 00:14:56,039 --> 00:15:07,879 spied on. And and so that continued in the Russia Russia, Russia accusations 180 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:11,159 that he faced to the beginning of his presidency. It wound up that those 181 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:15,840 those did not pan out the way that the left and the mainstream media said 182 00:15:15,879 --> 00:15:20,320 that they would. So and you had the intelligence agencies, working in the 183 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:26,799 Department of Justice, working against a sitting president, and that continued throughout his 184 00:15:26,879 --> 00:15:33,080 presidency, and it's continued since then, and it continued during the twenty twenty 185 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,919 elections. So as you look at that just that broad timeline from twenty ten 186 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:43,440 until now, it's been going on for well over a decade against conservatives. 187 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,960 And I'm sure that as we look even further back in history, it was 188 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,080 going on before, just against people who are standing up and had had the 189 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:58,000 courage to stand up to the government and see things that the government did not 190 00:15:58,039 --> 00:16:03,080 want to hear. So that's why it resonates with me so much. And 191 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:07,440 we can get into more of the details, but that's for me why it 192 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:11,960 just makes me so angry and I have little faith in the government institutions at 193 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,240 this point. Yeah, I was gonna say, that's actually fascinating because I 194 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:18,799 feel like Obama was the first I don't know how to say. It's like 195 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:25,840 maybe culture war president, and that he has his famous Pennsylvania campaign line about 196 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:29,919 people clinging to their God, their guns, and their religion and just actually, 197 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:32,399 in a weird way, reminds me of Peter Struck, who was part 198 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:37,279 of the FBI's operation to target Donald Trump in twenty sixteen with a hoax about 199 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:41,720 Russia collision, saying, you know, in this text to his mistress leagues 200 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,879 of page that he could like smell the Trump supporters in a Walmart. And 201 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,960 I wonder, Jane Beth, if you sense that in that original IRS targeting 202 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:56,440 there was a seed of that sentiment that was I think really expanding on the 203 00:16:56,519 --> 00:17:00,720 left and in the Democratic Party and certainly in the media, this kind of 204 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:07,480 cultural contempt and this idea that we need to control the American people because they 205 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,799 can no longer be trusted to vote in their own best interests, to vote. 206 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:18,079 You know, they're they're a group of essentially ignorant, bigoted people, 207 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:23,119 backwards people that you need to be controlled by the sort of the state from 208 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,200 Washington, DC. Yes, it's sort of the we know better, we 209 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:32,880 trust us, we're the experts. We know what's best for you and your 210 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,440 life, and owe you, little peon person, bless your heart, pat 211 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,160 you on the head, pat you on the back, and shove you out 212 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:44,119 of the way. Well what we do, what we think is the best. 213 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:48,240 Well that's great if you don't live in America, but we live in 214 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:52,799 America, where every two years we get to change who controls the House of 215 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,680 Representatives. Every four years, we the people get to decide who can who 216 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:03,559 is going to be in the White House, and then every the Senate is 217 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:07,519 just sort of an ongoing basis because of the way that senators are elected. 218 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:15,000 It doesn't just up end everything every six years. But that that's how it's 219 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,640 supposed to be in America, that the people feel empowered to be able to 220 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:25,920 control what the government is doing. The government operates with the consent of the 221 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:32,559 people. But the experts in the bureaucracy in Washington, DC think that that 222 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:37,400 is not how it's done. And especially the bureaucracy, they aren't fired. 223 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:42,079 They keep on working regardless of who is elected. And I think that they 224 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:48,200 see that changes, especially changes in the White House. It's just a small, 225 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:52,039 inconvenient sort of a speed bump in the road for them. And I 226 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:56,400 think when it came to President when it came to President Trump, it wasn't 227 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,000 even a speed bump in the road for them. It just was, well, 228 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,279 we're not even going to pay attention to them. We're just going to 229 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,920 keep doing things the way we want them to be done. Because we know 230 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:10,839 best, and that text message from Peter Struck. Every time that I go 231 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,559 to Walmart, I think of the fact that he sent that. I can't 232 00:19:14,599 --> 00:19:17,519 I can never go to Walmart and not think of that. I want to 233 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:19,519 be able not to, but I still think of it, and I go 234 00:19:19,599 --> 00:19:26,640 to Walmart frequently, and it's just it's a contempt that they have for us 235 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,799 in the rest of the country. Who you know, the Walmart is right 236 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:33,279 around the corner, and you're going to go pick up your groceries, or 237 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:36,079 you're going to pick up whatever it is that you might need, your sunscreen 238 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:41,359 or whatever item it is, because Walmart basically carries everything and you do your 239 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:48,319 own shopping for yourself. And it's just absolute contempt for the people who are 240 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,200 paying the work all day long, to pay taxes, to pay their salary. 241 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,880 It's just disgusting and it's not how our country is supposed to operate, 242 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,920 and yet it is how country is operating. M Yeah, absolutely, and 243 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:11,240 that's sort of this I guess. I wonder a lot of people look back 244 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:17,400 on what was the Time magazine cover from maybe twenty fourteen of Rand Paul. 245 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,759 On the cover it said the Libertarian Moment something like that, and there was 246 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:29,279 I think some people in the Beltway missed why so many regular Republican voters were 247 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,319 drawn to the Tea Party movement and why so many regular Americans ended up voting 248 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,519 in Tea Party candidates. There was a sense among the American people already it 249 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:44,119 wasn't, you know, just about lower taxes, which were badly needed, 250 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,240 or you know, it wasn't just about limiting the size of government, although 251 00:20:48,279 --> 00:20:52,759 that is obviously essential to reigning in the powers of people like Peter Struck, 252 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,000 but it was also the sense that things were getting darker, that the left 253 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:03,960 was poised to aren't using the levers of government in unprecedented ways. Am I 254 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,680 right? And that was that something you picked up on at the time, 255 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:10,400 those sentiments you shared at the time, And did the Beltway kind of miss 256 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,119 that? Yeah, they did miss it, and you are exactly right about 257 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:21,880 that. The fiscal responsibility aspect of the Tea Party movement and the libertarian movement 258 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:26,279 are very, very important, and they continue to be important today. What 259 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:34,079 we've realized over the last fourteen years is that even with when you are focused 260 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,559 on the fiscal responsibility aspect of it, you have to pay attention to the 261 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:42,039 constitutionality of what the government is doing. And if what the government is doing 262 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,160 is not constitutional, you're never going to be able to rein end the spending, 263 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:49,640 or it becomes much more difficult to reign end the spending. What people 264 00:21:49,839 --> 00:21:53,799 want in the Tea party movement and the libertarian movement, and I would say 265 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:02,680 in the most recent parent parental rights movement and the anti COVID lockdown movement, 266 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,519 the common theme among everyone is they want the government to just leave them alone 267 00:22:07,599 --> 00:22:11,759 and let them live their life the way they see fit. They don't want 268 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:15,200 anything from the government. They're not asking for handouts, they're not saying pay 269 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:18,880 for this, pay for that. They just want the government to leave them 270 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,240 alone. They know they have to pay taxes. They may see the taxes 271 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,160 are way too much, but at the end of the day, the most 272 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,359 important thing is just let me be free to live my life the way I 273 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,960 see fit, as long as I am not harming other people, and get 274 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,839 out of my way so that I can do that. And believe me, 275 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,039 if you let me do that, you'll give the taxes that you want and 276 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:45,039 we will have it will be a working relationship for everyone involved. People who 277 00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:52,880 are elected to office do not know how to handle us because they're so used 278 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,720 to lobbyists coming to them who want something in exchange. They want a bill 279 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:02,079 pass that will give a certain group of people more power. They want a 280 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:08,559 law passed that will give another group of people more money somehow, either from 281 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:14,119 a subsidy or a kick back, or whatever it might be. They want 282 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,319 more money. And when we go to the government, we're saying we don't 283 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,559 want more money, we don't want any bills passed to give us preferential treatment. 284 00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:25,359 We just want you to stop infringing on us, leave us alone. 285 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:32,200 And I even had a former member of Congress who I went to his office. 286 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,920 It may have been during the debt ceiling fight back in twenty and eleven 287 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,039 or one of the spending battles, I don't remember which one. And he 288 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,519 was on the Appropriations Committee, and so he wasn't voting the way I would 289 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:49,319 want him to vote. But we had a friendly relationship and I was able 290 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,680 to learn more about what was going on in the committee, and he would 291 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:56,920 listen to me and learn about what we wanted. And finally he just said 292 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,880 it was either him or his chief of staff. I don't remember which one. 293 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,519 Off the top of my head. But they just said, you know, 294 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,319 we don't actually know what to do with you because you're Everyone else who 295 00:24:07,319 --> 00:24:11,200 comes in here is asking for money in one way or the other, and 296 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:14,720 you're not, and we don't know how to make you happy. And I 297 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:19,400 think that that is a common theme that the people in Washington, DC just 298 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,319 haven't figured out. It's that we don't want the government to give us anything. 299 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:29,000 We just want the government to leave us alone. And what the people 300 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:33,160 who are in Washington, DC, whether they are elected officials or bureaucrats, 301 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:37,279 they want more and more power for themselves, which means they have to take 302 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,559 freedom away from us, to a mass power and control over our lives. 303 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:48,799 And they want to make sure that they're giving money to different different groups of 304 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:53,079 people so that those people act. However, it winds up being a control 305 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,599 mechanism for them as well. And I think that is the thing that's so 306 00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:04,240 many elected officials and certainly so many bureaucrats just cannot understand about the Tea Party 307 00:25:04,279 --> 00:25:10,279 movement, about the libertarian movement, and even about the parental parental rights and 308 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,440 anti COVID lockdown movements. I was I was just going to ask actually about 309 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:21,319 that issue, the leave me alone and leave my kids alone question two. 310 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,079 That issue has exploded since twenty twenty in ways again people here in Washington, 311 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:32,240 DC totally did not anticipate, And I wanted to ask Jenny Beth where you 312 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:37,079 see that fitting in to sort of the average you know, Republican voters concerns 313 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,799 when they're going to the voting booth, because a lot of people say it's, 314 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,359 you know, people are voting on their material interests, those kitchen table 315 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,519 issues. I would submit, of course that what their kids are being taught 316 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:52,279 in school is very much a kitchen table issue, but obviously it's not involved 317 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:56,599 in sort of their checkbook, balancing their checkbook or their bank account. Where 318 00:25:56,599 --> 00:26:00,599 do you think that fits and people sort of the larger scheme voters concerns. 319 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,759 I think that it is an absolute It is a massive concern to anyone who 320 00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:11,759 has children from maybe not if it's a first child, maybe not that those 321 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:18,319 first two to four years before they get to school aged kids, because you're 322 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,920 a little bit insulated from what's happening in schools until they until they start start 323 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,559 going to school, but once they start going to school, all the way 324 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:34,000 through college years so that's it's nearly twenty years of your children's life. You 325 00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:38,119 are focused on what's best for them. And from the moment your child is 326 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,559 born. And I had twins, so mine were born at the exact same 327 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:45,039 time, so that from the moment my children were born, I wanted to 328 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:49,119 protect them and make sure that nobody was going to do anything that would harm 329 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,440 them. And that is a parental instinct, right, So you want to 330 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,720 take care of your children and nurture and love them and care for them. 331 00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,039 You send them to school thinking that they're going to get an education. At 332 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,599 least that's what we used to think. And at the beginning of the Tea 333 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:10,519 Party movement, I heard a lot about common Core, and prior to that, 334 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,480 with President Bush, there was there was some program that he did and 335 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,920 I didn't have children at that point, but but you heard these different things 336 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:25,599 that the presidents were doing, and it was changing a little bit about how 337 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:33,480 kids were learning in school. Well, it was alarming because they were standardizing 338 00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:38,279 everything that the kids are learning without there being a lot of as much local 339 00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:45,880 control. We realized when the world locked down and the classrooms wound up on 340 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,279 the kitchen tables or in bedrooms with doors that were open, and kids and 341 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,039 parents were passing by and hearing what their children were learning. Learning I use 342 00:27:53,160 --> 00:28:00,400 in air quotes at school. It is not at all, but we expected. 343 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,359 It wasn't reading, writing, arithmetic, learning literature on learning history, 344 00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:11,279 being able to recite quotes and or facts and be able to put things on 345 00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:17,000 paper and know that you're actually learning things and being judged and graded on it. 346 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,640 Instead, it was such indoctrination that we began to worry about what kind 347 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,799 of education our children were getting, and we realized that a lot of what 348 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,400 was happening is that they were trying to prime our children and teach our children, 349 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:34,160 or indoctrinate our children to become activists on their liberal issues, rather than 350 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,440 teaching them what they need to know to survive, to be well educated, 351 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:47,720 critical thinking adults who can provide for their own families in the future. That's 352 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:52,680 why I want my children to have a good education. I remember when my 353 00:28:53,440 --> 00:29:00,759 son was in ninth grade. I think we went to the school council and 354 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:07,720 needed to change something in his in what he was learning. Maybe it was 355 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:11,400 in tenth grade, so we're changing He was bored in math and we needed 356 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,160 to make math more challenging for him. And so we're talking to the counselor 357 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,720 about how we'd go about doing that, and my son ended up putting two 358 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:23,000 years of math into to one year so that he would be on a more 359 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,599 advanced track the last two years of college of high school. And the counselor 360 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,680 was seeing something like, well, he can kind of miss something with British 361 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:37,519 or not British literature, but whatever the literature class was. And she said 362 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:42,640 during that conversation, we don't do British literature anymore because nobody wants to hear 363 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,039 what dead old white men have to say. And I sat there and I 364 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,079 said, wait a minute, what did you just say? I said, 365 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,000 dead old white men. First, dead old white men wrote the founding documents 366 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,480 of our country, so we do care about what they have to say. 367 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,880 How can you say this in front of my white son. Why are you 368 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,000 saying that nobody cares about what men he's going to be a white man at 369 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:11,160 some point have to say, and what differences of me, what our races 370 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,960 right now? And I asked her all of that. I was shocked by 371 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,960 it. I documented it like I left. I left the counselor's office and 372 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,720 sent a text message to my team talking about it, and she said they 373 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:30,279 didn't care about Shakespeare and Plato. And first, Shakespeare and Plato are not 374 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:37,039 even that isn't they aren't both British British literature there, so it's completely different 375 00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:42,039 times in writing. And I thought, this is so bizarre. I can't 376 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:45,720 believe she actually said this, and I documented it, and I thought it 377 00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:51,440 was one off, like it just must be a counselor who is explaining things, 378 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:55,519 but it's just sort of one off. Well, then it's twenty happened. 379 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,319 I realized that it wasn't one off. This is happening all over the 380 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:03,519 entire country. And they don't want to teach Shakespeare anymore to anyone. They 381 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:07,720 don't want to teach the founding documents to anyone. They want to teach all 382 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:12,759 this new stuff that hasn't even withstood a decade of time, much less centuries 383 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,000 of time. And I just was blown away that it was happening everywhere. 384 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,480 And then it just gets worse and worse and worse, like the little things 385 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:29,880 that I would see that had to do with the LGBTQ agenda in my kids 386 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,960 public school. I thought it was just sort of one off incidents, and 387 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:40,559 then I realized that this is happening everywhere. It's all over the entire country, 388 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,640 and it is alarming, and it is something that we have to stand 389 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,480 up and push back against, not just because of the indoctrination, but because 390 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:55,400 if we don't make sure that our children and the future generation have a solid 391 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,960 educational foundation, how are they going to be productive adults. How are they 392 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,559 going to be able to adjust to the leaps and technology that are are we 393 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,400 are on the cusp of because of artificial intelligence. How are they going to 394 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,759 be able to have jobs and create in the future if they don't even know 395 00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:17,960 how to think and don't don't know how to learn. Yeah, there was 396 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:24,440 an unfortunate rupture among the kind of Freedom Caucus group of people Freedom Caucus aligned 397 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,920 people in the House over the debt negotiations. And I know that's a couple 398 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:35,839 of months in the past, but it's it's been a persistent issue for you 399 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,359 know, Marjor Taylor Green and Thomas Massey and Jim Jordan, Lauren Bobert, 400 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,160 Matt Gay. It's that sort of group of House Republicans. What did you 401 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,400 make of how those dynamics ultimately played out. You know, Kevin McCarthy was 402 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,880 in a pretty tough spot, and like with the h as in his as 403 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:59,519 with his election as a speaker. I think the right rung some serious concessions 404 00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:04,119 out of the right flank, the freedom of Coccus fists runk some concessions out 405 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,000 of him. At the same time, I understand the frustrations and now that 406 00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:10,960 we're going ahead, looking into September where some of the stuff is going to 407 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:17,759 be ironed out yet again, are you concerned about the unity in the House 408 00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:22,079 of Republican conference and what did you make of those dynamics as they played out 409 00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:25,680 earlier this summer. I'm not concerned about the unity. They should be able 410 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:32,799 to have robust debate and at the end of the day pass legislation. But 411 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:40,759 you have to be able to debate it what And I I wasn't surprised by 412 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,640 how the dead ceiling turned out. I could have predicted it. I can 413 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:52,079 tell what we're going to see with the upcoming appropriations and spending bills were going 414 00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:55,599 to wind up. It is my prediction that we will wind up with a 415 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,880 massive spending bill. Kevin McCarthy will get Democrat. So if he has to 416 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,920 pass it, and we won't have the kind of cuts and recisions that we 417 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,280 really should have, and government will continue spending money, and they will spend 418 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,559 even more money. I don't think that's right. It's not what I'm standing 419 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,039 for. It's not what I'm calling for. I've just watched this play out 420 00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:22,599 so many times that it's like groundhog Day, and it doesn't matter who the 421 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,519 speaker is on the Republican side, they just continue to spend money. It's 422 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,320 very concerning to me that that happens, because they should be able to go 423 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,920 back and see, you know what, we are not going to fund anything 424 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,159 that puts boys and girls bathrooms in schools period. That shouldn't even be hard 425 00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:46,000 to figure out and debate why. I guarantee you that is a decision that 426 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:52,519 the majority, supermajority of Americans would be okay with. Maybe the far extream 427 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,960 fringe people on the left would not be okay with it, but by and 428 00:34:55,039 --> 00:35:00,079 large, this is something that all Americans are going to agree on. And 429 00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:06,920 getting reducing our spending levels now that the COVID emergencies are over, I think 430 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,719 most Americans would say, yeah, you know, we need to be able 431 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:14,440 to do that, especially if they understood that these increased spinning levels are harming, 432 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:21,000 are causing inflation. So it's causing all the prices of everything to go 433 00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,960 up, and it's and then to fight inflation, interest rates are going up. 434 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,920 So we're getting hit by this left and right at home. And if 435 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:32,239 we could reduce spending and that would help reduce inflation, I think people would 436 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,599 be would be happy with that, especially if you we're not trying to reduce 437 00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,920 all spending. We just need to get back to a pre COVID level rather 438 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,559 than all this emergency extra spending that we have. There are other items that 439 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:52,639 that different people within the House Freedom Caucus are fighting for and standing up for. 440 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,360 But I think that they can find a few different items that they are 441 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,440 going to agree. We need to cut the spending on this. I think 442 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,800 we need to get rid of all of the woke And when I say woke, 443 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:08,400 im I am really focused on the transgender agenda that is going through the 444 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:15,719 military, and the constant di training that is happening through the military and through 445 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,119 through schools, the diversity, equity and inclusion training. They could defund all 446 00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:25,840 of that they if they could find a few areas that they could defund that 447 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,679 the majority of Americans would be okay with. I think our country would be 448 00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:34,199 better off. But I just don't think at the end of the day that 449 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:43,079 the House Republican leadership has the same kind of iron will that Speaker Pelosi had. 450 00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:46,840 And Speaker Pelosi had that kind of iron will, and she got Obamacare 451 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:53,480 passed, and I think that it cost her the speakership in twenty ten, 452 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,719 but she was willing to risk that in order to get Obamacare passed. And 453 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:05,800 she came back in and she took up impeaching Trump, and she spent money 454 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,519 and she's still increased and got the things that she wanted funded even when Trump 455 00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:15,920 was president and Republicans controlled the Senate. And on our side, we just 456 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:21,960 don't have the kind of speaker who who has that same kind of will that 457 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:29,360 that Nancy Pelosi has. And maybe that's better than Nancy Pelosi, because Nancy 458 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:35,480 Pelosi just pushes everything to the to the left so hard. Maybe it's better 459 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,679 not to have that, but I would appreciate somebody who had who had the 460 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,400 kind of will power to say we're going to say no, and we have 461 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:46,679 a majority here and we have power, and you're going to have to listen 462 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,880 to us because elections have consequences, and we run the House of Representatives now. 463 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:58,559 But the Republicans sometimes they are just they always seem to think you've got 464 00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:00,400 to go to the right, I mean, not to the right, you 465 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,440 have to go to the middle to appease everyone. Rather than saying these things 466 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,760 that we stand for, our theme said if we go and communicate it to 467 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,960 our constituency, our constituency is going to agree with us. Actually, that's 468 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,159 a great place to get to the last question I wanted to ask, which 469 00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:21,239 is are you optimistic you know after all of these all these years of sort 470 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,800 of toiling in the grassroots, seeing some Republicans really absorb the lessons of the 471 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:31,719 populist wave that's rattled the party. But also feeling is that the challenges are, 472 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,639 at least from my perspective, growing, when you look at Jack Smith, 473 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,960 and when you look at the fact that even as we're talking, we 474 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:42,119 might be expecting something to come out of Georgia this week in Fulton County day 475 00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:45,639 Fanny Willis, it does feel like, you know, some of this is 476 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:52,320 really being ratcheted up. So Republicans seem to be at least in some ways 477 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,199 more ready to meet the moment, and then in other ways it seems as 478 00:38:55,199 --> 00:39:00,400 though that moment is getting more and more grave. So are you a domestic 479 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,920 Jenny Beth that this can all be turned around? Let me address that in 480 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,360 two things. Let me address what I'm most concerned about, and then how 481 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,639 I am able to get out of bed every morning and keep fighting. And 482 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,800 because you have to be optimistic. If you're able to get out of bed 483 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,840 every morning and keep fighting and believe you can make a difference, I think 484 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,480 that the situation that we face right now is extraordinarily grave. I think what 485 00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:30,760 is happening to President Trump is happening. It's just wrong. The indictments are 486 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,239 wrong. They are twisting the law to try to find a way to make 487 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,199 it stick so that they can use these indictments against to prevent him from running 488 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:46,199 or try to prevent him from being president again. The Department of Justice and 489 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:52,440 the intelligence agencies interfered with the twenty sixteen election, they interfered with the twenty 490 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:57,599 twenty election, and they are interfering with the twenty twenty four election. And 491 00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:04,599 I think what is happening to President Trump will have a chilling effect among activists 492 00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:07,360 and his supporters around the country. It doesn't mean that they won't still vote 493 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,119 for him, but they may not be as willing to stand up and talk 494 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,119 about why they support him to people who they don't know and trust. And 495 00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:23,119 I say that because I'm hearing whisperers of that and little comments of it around 496 00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:28,320 the country as I travel the country, and I heard the same kind of 497 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,599 thing. As we were being targeted by the IRS, people were afraid to 498 00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:36,880 speak out because they were afraid they would be audited when we're being targeted from 499 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,400 the IRS, and they had every reason to be concerned about that because he 500 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:46,199 Party donors were six times more likely to be individually audited than the average taxpayer. 501 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,400 What is happening to Trump? It isn't justest that they're going after Trump. 502 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,920 They're going after everybody. We have seen electors in Michigan who have been 503 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:01,079 indicted. In Fulton County, Georgia, the electors may wind up being indicted, 504 00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:07,320 or attorneys who worked for President Trump may be indicted. I'm hearing that 505 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,440 in Arizona they're now looking at what they might do to electors from twenty in 506 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,800 Arizona and there might be legal proceedings against them. They're doing the same thing 507 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,119 in Wisconsin. And this is to send a message, a chilling, chilling 508 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:29,119 message that it is one of intimidation. If you so much as question the 509 00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,320 outcome of the election, we are going to go after you. You are 510 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,679 not allowed to do that. If you're on the right, if you're on 511 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,320 the left, you can question it, you can have alternate electors, you 512 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:43,159 can vote against the election results on the floor of Congress and chat and not 513 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,559 accept the electors, and no harm will come to you. But if it 514 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:50,840 happens on the right, you're not allowed to do that. And this is 515 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,639 about twenty twenty four. And I worry because I don't know. President Trump 516 00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,199 is a very strong man, and he has a good added and I hear 517 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:05,280 people around the country say, but how much can one man take? How 518 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,960 much can one man take? And he just keeps standing for our country, 519 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:15,039 for himself, but also for our country, and I appreciate that so much 520 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,559 about him. And I think it's going to be even worse because there will 521 00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:23,199 be an indictment from Fulton County, and I don't know if it will just 522 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,920 be Trump or if it will be Trump and other people, people who are 523 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:35,480 my friends in the indictments that are coming out of Fulton County, Georgia, 524 00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:40,159 and it's it's very alarming, and I don't know how quickly the trials will 525 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,639 will move through in twenty twenty four, and I don't know what it's going 526 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:50,599 to do to the outcome of the election. So all of that concerns me. 527 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,920 I think it is in its stream abuse of power. I think that 528 00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:58,519 even if President Trump at the end of the day, proves that he was 529 00:42:58,599 --> 00:43:01,039 right in all of these short we're wrong, even if it has to go 530 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:07,440 through multiple appeals before you get to that point, it won't matter because the 531 00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:14,360 damage could have been done, especially when we're looking at an election less than 532 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,360 a year and a half away. And that I think is a lot of 533 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:22,280 the reason why the left is doing this, and it's such a double standard. 534 00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:27,599 They go after him for having classified documents, yet yet Vice President Pence 535 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:34,840 and President Biden, former Vice President bidenformer Senator Biden had classified documents from being 536 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,920 senator and vice president that he never should have had and they weren't stored in 537 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:45,679 a secure location, and that seems to be not a problem at all. 538 00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:50,639 And Pence had documents, and he said, oh, yeah, well I 539 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,159 had the documents, but when they asked, I gave them back. Well 540 00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:55,599 wait, why did you have the documents in the first place. You can't. 541 00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:02,079 It's this double standard. And and Trump had the right with the Presidential 542 00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:07,119 Records Act to be able to retain documents. And he also had the ability, 543 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,079 single handedly when he was president, to declassify documents. So even if 544 00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:16,159 the Archives thought they were classified, perhaps they weren't because perhaps he had declassified 545 00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:20,719 them. I don't know, but I'm just pointing out that that could have 546 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:30,119 happened. When it comes to the indictments. You just they're going after electors 547 00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:35,159 who had who were saying, we want to be the alternate electors. Should 548 00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:39,880 there need to be alternate electors? That happened with Hawaiian electors back in the 549 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:45,960 sixties, I believe, and we have a president for that in our country. 550 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:52,039 And just the things that are happening they're saying with President Trump with the 551 00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:57,199 latest indictments related to January sixth, this is the things that they are complaining 552 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,000 that they are charging him with. He had a right question the outcome of 553 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,039 the election. He had a right to talk about it. He had a 554 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:09,679 right to call elected officials and express his concerns. As a candidate, he 555 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:15,920 had the right to do that, and he has a First Amendment right to 556 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,280 never accept the outcome, never to say he accepted the outcome of the election. 557 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,920 He has a First Amendment right to say what he wants, and they're 558 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:30,159 just trampling all over that. So I think we're in a very grave situation 559 00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:34,320 that we've never have not seen in our country. Of course, we've seen 560 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,440 it in on Cuba, We've seen it in Russia, We've seen it in 561 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:45,800 the Soviet Union. We have Anthony blinkoln who recently tweeted that Putin had imprisoned 562 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,199 his political opponents and that that was bad to do. While they're sitting here 563 00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:58,519 in America and trying to imprison political opponents of Biden. They're just they're they're 564 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,360 just right in our face about everything that they're doing, and they are so 565 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,920 confident with it. They think they can get away with it and that they 566 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,599 will succeed, and they can tell social media companies what to post, and 567 00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:15,320 they can completely control the narrative, and the mainstream media won't ask the tough 568 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,480 questions. So all of that is just terrible. So how do I deal 569 00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:22,639 with that and go, gosh, the country is just going is off the 570 00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:30,440 cliff and there's no holding back and we're doomed. Here's how I deal with 571 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,119 it. Our country is greater than any single president. It's greater than any 572 00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:38,760 group of people. We have survived so much in this country to even become 573 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,519 a country. We fought in a revolutionary war in order to become a country. 574 00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:49,239 We fought in World wars. We had a civil war where people died 575 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:55,320 in order to end slavery in our country, and it divided families, and 576 00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,960 yet our country came back together after that. We had presidents who are assassinated. 577 00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:06,440 And I'm not in any way suggesting that any president should ever be assassinated, 578 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:09,800 not not any current president, any former president, and a future president. 579 00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:14,920 But it has happened in our country, and our country has been able 580 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:20,039 to survive that, and we survive the civil rights movement, and contrary with 581 00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:24,840 the left wants to indoctrinate our children with we are better off now than we 582 00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:31,199 were then because we went through so much during that time. So I think 583 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,400 that we can survive this. So what do we do as individual activists? 584 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,679 Because we can't control who's going to be prosecuted. We're not going to. 585 00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:40,800 Most of us are not going to wind up on a jury, and certainly 586 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,639 in Washington, DC, none of us will wind up on a jury. 587 00:47:45,639 --> 00:47:52,960 It'll be a jury of people who all are anti Trump. But as individual 588 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:58,679 activists, we can work to secure elections by being poll watchers or work observers, 589 00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,719 so you can observe what's happening in the polls, or you can work 590 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:06,079 the polls as an election official or an election judge, or a poll worker 591 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,159 poll manager, depending on where you live. They're called different things, but 592 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:14,280 you're able to work the elections. So those are things that activists can do 593 00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:20,719 in twenty twenty four to help secure the elections. We can't we can't most 594 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,840 of us can't just go file lawsuits because we're not attorneys. But those are 595 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,760 things we as individuals can do. And so we have to secure elections, 596 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,599 and we have to win elections, and that means doing the voter id, 597 00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:37,800 getting getting the word out, telling people why under a Republican president we would 598 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,679 be better off than we would be under a Democrat president. Why financially and 599 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,159 economically, it's going to be better for you and your family, better when 600 00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:50,960 you go to the gas pump, when you're buying groceries, when your kids 601 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:57,280 are in school, if we don't have this radical leftist agenda running the executive 602 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,079 branch of our country, turning it into a family activities. So we're volunteering 603 00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:07,119 and being very very engaged the voter ID voter persuasion, and then getting out 604 00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:13,719 the vote and making sure that everyone goes and casts the vote so that we've 605 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:19,719 got we have the vote secured so we can win the elections. Securing and 606 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,800 winning that is my mantra and is what I'm focused on. And every time 607 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,159 I think, oh, it's so bad, what am I going to do? 608 00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:28,320 Well, all I know is that we have to secure elections and we 609 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,199 have to win. And it doesn't mean that winning the election in twenty twenty 610 00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:35,840 four, if we win, everything's going to be just to walk in the 611 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,920 park, because it won't be. It just means we have a fighting chance 612 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:44,000 to keep going and to make a difference. And then after that in twenty 613 00:49:44,039 --> 00:49:46,159 twenty five, we're going to have to get the right kind of legislation passed 614 00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:53,880 and make sure that the next president is cleaning out these bureaucracies and firing the 615 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:59,639 people who are causing so much harm to our country. Jenny Feth Martin is 616 00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:02,760 the honorary chairman of Tea Party Patriots Action. You can learn more about Tea 617 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,000 Party Patriots at Tea Party Patriots dot org. Sus the host of the Jenny 618 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,800 Beth Show, Jenny Beth, thank you so much for joining us today. 619 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,199 Thank you so much for having me. Of course, you have been listening 620 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,400 to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Emiljacianski, culture editor here 621 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,519 at The Federalist. Will be back soon with more. Until then, be 622 00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:36,000 lovers of freedom and anxious for the fray right